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<v Speaker 1>As one Representative gave Evans from Colorado's eighth congressional District

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<v Speaker 1>is joining me by phone in between meetings because he's

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<v Speaker 1>very important. Representative Evans, first of all, welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll always get to be on with you. And I

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<v Speaker 2>would say I'm very, very busy would probably be how

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<v Speaker 2>I would characterize it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, busy busy man, let's talk. We're jumping right

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<v Speaker 1>in because I know I don't have you for that long.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the Dignity Act for a moment. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been lurking in some Republican Facebook groups kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>gauging the room right to see as people are discussing this,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can imagine, as you've probably already seen, you

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<v Speaker 1>have two camps. One camp says this is amnesty hard pass,

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<v Speaker 1>never going to happen. And then you have other Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>who are saying, look, this is where I am. We

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<v Speaker 1>finally got a little modicum of border security. There's never

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<v Speaker 1>been a better time in the last twenty five years

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<v Speaker 1>when we had decent border security, with more money committed

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<v Speaker 1>to border security to really work on immigration reform. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the second camp. Let's address that amnesty accusation

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<v Speaker 1>that is being made.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, first and foremost, it's absolutely not amnesty. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>pass to citizenship in this bill. The end period barnup,

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<v Speaker 2>no pass to citizenship, and there's no free handouts in

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<v Speaker 2>this bill. What the Dignity Act does is it sets

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<v Speaker 2>a hard date. That date is before Biden. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>December of twenty twenty. Anybody that was in the country

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<v Speaker 2>before that date, and you got to meet a whole

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of other criteria. Can't be taking federal benefits. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to be willing to pay any back taxes for

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<v Speaker 2>anything that you've taken under the table. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>pass both a criminal and a security screening. So what

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<v Speaker 2>all of these requirements mean is that really the only

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<v Speaker 2>people that are even eligible to apply from the get

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<v Speaker 2>go are people that, Okay, maybe they're in the country illegally,

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<v Speaker 2>but they haven't been committing crimes, they haven't been causing problems,

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't been stealing federal welfare dollars. That means they've

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<v Speaker 2>been working. And as you said, the immigration system has

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<v Speaker 2>been kind of a mess for several decades. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>this wasn't the case, but here's some of the numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>forty two two percent of the ag labor force in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States is illegal. I don't know the percentages

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<v Speaker 2>for some of the other big industries, you know, construction, housing,

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, but we know there's a significant percentage

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<v Speaker 2>of the labor force in these industries that is here illegally.

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<v Speaker 2>But other than that, they're working hard, they're supporting American industry,

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<v Speaker 2>they're building things here in the United States, and so

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<v Speaker 2>how do we soort this problem out? That's what the

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<v Speaker 2>Dignity Act says is if you meet all of those

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<v Speaker 2>different requirements, you're working hard, not causing problems, willing to

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<v Speaker 2>pay back taxes, all these other different things that you

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<v Speaker 2>have to do, then no amnesty. Right off the bat.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to pay a thousand dollars fine in order

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<v Speaker 2>to enter into a seven year program. You can call

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<v Speaker 2>it a program. If we're going to talk in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of fine here, you can call it something like probation

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. But you enter into a seven year

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<v Speaker 2>program where you renew every year. So if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>meeting these requirements, you start not paying your taxes, you

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<v Speaker 2>get in trouble. You're taking money under the table. Guess

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<v Speaker 2>what you're tossed out, and every year that you renew

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<v Speaker 2>in this program you have to pay another thoughlean dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>This program doesn't cost the American citizens anything. Not only that,

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<v Speaker 2>when you enter the program, you agree to have your

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<v Speaker 2>wages garnished at a one percent rate, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>that money then goes directly to American citizen workforce training.

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<v Speaker 2>Other things that this bill does national everify, everify as

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<v Speaker 2>the federal program by which employers can see if somebody

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<v Speaker 2>is legally eligible to work in the United States. Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's optional. This bill makes it mandatory. This bill puts

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<v Speaker 2>into federal law the self deportation mandates. This bill says,

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<v Speaker 2>if you do not have legal status to work in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, you have to self deport under penalty

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<v Speaker 2>of federal law. So it really gets the conversation going

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<v Speaker 2>about what do we do with the folks who are

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States, have been here for a while

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<v Speaker 2>and again are working jobs, supporting American industries, and want

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<v Speaker 2>to have a path forward not for citizenship but for

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<v Speaker 2>work visa that they only get by renewing every seven

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<v Speaker 2>years in the seven year program, while paying a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of fees and having all sorts of other supervision.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was one of my questions that I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to ask because how much of this, if any? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I have not read the bill, I figured this is

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<v Speaker 1>the jumping off point. I'll read it when it gets

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<v Speaker 1>massaged a little bit more by Rudy's input. Does this

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<v Speaker 1>do anything about streamlining or updating the legal immigration process?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I have a friend whose son in law is

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<v Speaker 1>going to miss the birth of his first child because

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<v Speaker 1>he can't get his husband visa worked out so he

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<v Speaker 1>can come here from the UK Okay. So the legal

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<v Speaker 1>immigration system is an abject failure at this moment. Does

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<v Speaker 1>this address any of that or is that a situation

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<v Speaker 1>for another bill?

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<v Speaker 2>It helps, and it helps in a couple of ways.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the big beautiful bill that we just passed,

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<v Speaker 2>we actually have funding for more immigration judges because we

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<v Speaker 2>know there's a massive backlog in the immigration system. Where

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<v Speaker 2>the Dignity Act comes in, is it basically also enshrines

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<v Speaker 2>in the law, effectively the remain in Mexico policy to

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<v Speaker 2>where if and again this isn't federal law, this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>executive order like what we've seen with the administration. This

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<v Speaker 2>is putting into federal law that if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>come to the United States, you want to claim asylum

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like that, you have to wait in another

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<v Speaker 2>country outside of the United States while that asylum claim

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<v Speaker 2>is pending. And so that helps to basically streamline and

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<v Speaker 2>give an orderly flow for folks that are claiming asylum

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<v Speaker 2>who want to come to the United States. So that,

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<v Speaker 2>in conjunction with the additional funding for more immigration judges

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<v Speaker 2>that we had in the Big Beautiful Bill, it really

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<v Speaker 2>does impose some reforms in the immigration space so you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have these major backlogs, you don't have these mass

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<v Speaker 2>influxes whenever you have some humanitarian crisis in another country.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does set up rules of the road so

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<v Speaker 2>that we can have an orderly immigration system and try

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<v Speaker 2>to clear a lot of this backlog without big influxes

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<v Speaker 2>like what we saw under the mismanagement of the previous administration.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I want to talk about the reality on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground politically of a bill like this and the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that as I said, I mean, I think right now

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<v Speaker 1>is the best time we've had in a very long

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<v Speaker 1>time to talk about serious immigration reform, because politically that

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<v Speaker 1>that has turned into quite the political football in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of I think that was a huge reason that the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats got walloped in the last election cycle is because

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<v Speaker 1>of unfettered immigration. So they've got to be paying attention.

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<v Speaker 1>But what does the political reality look like. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to lose some Republicans? Are you going to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats with this? Have you found people across the aisle

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<v Speaker 1>that are tired of this just being an ongoing political

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<v Speaker 1>football and actually want to solve the problem And are

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<v Speaker 1>there enough of them?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So, I think there's a couple of really important

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<v Speaker 2>things there. First, you mentioned the disaster of the last

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<v Speaker 2>four years and what the new administration has done and

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<v Speaker 2>what we've actually been able to put into federal law

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<v Speaker 2>through the big beautiful bill around I mean forty six

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars for border wall, right, several billion more for

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<v Speaker 2>border patrol agent recruiting and retention. So we've put into

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<v Speaker 2>federal law a lot of resources to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>the border stays secured. But as you said, that tends

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<v Speaker 2>to increase the pressure to Okay, we've stopped the problem

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<v Speaker 2>at the border, what do we do with You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's over eight million illegal immigrants are in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States and working right now. Not just in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're part of the labor force right now, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have to do something with this at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>So what better time than right now with the Republican

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<v Speaker 2>led House, Senate and presidency that's focused on America first issues,

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<v Speaker 2>Because if we punt on this, as you said, the

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<v Speaker 2>pressure is only going to build, and if we don't

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<v Speaker 2>fix it now, eventually Democrats are going to have some

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<v Speaker 2>power again in Washington, d C. And then they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to make a complete and total mess of this. So

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<v Speaker 2>I say we need to have the conversation, and it

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<v Speaker 2>truly is a conversation. This bill hasn't been assigned. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this bill doesn't have a date for a committee hearing

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<v Speaker 2>yet definitely hasn't got a date for the House floor.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're still having the conversation about this. This is

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<v Speaker 2>driving the conversation. But if we don't have that conversation

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<v Speaker 2>now with an American first, Republican led House, Senate and presidency,

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean that the pressure to fix it is

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<v Speaker 2>going to go away. That pressure is still there and

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to grow, and if we don't do it,

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<v Speaker 2>Gums are going to make a mess of this the

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<v Speaker 2>next time they have power in DC.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that second part. I'm just hoping that

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<v Speaker 1>you you know, one of my frustrations and I understand it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure you do too. Representative Evans would people say, Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want anybody to skip ahead in the line.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want anybody to get special treatment that other,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people who've immigrated here legally have not gotten.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that argument, but I'm also tired of I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like what twenty ten when Obama gave status

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<v Speaker 1>to the Dreamers, and they still are just being They're

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<v Speaker 1>flapping in the breeze like they still have no solid

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<v Speaker 1>footing here in the United States, and it's absurd that

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't been able to make this happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to be this.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think this is a jumping off point for

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger conversation or do you think this bill as

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<v Speaker 1>it is has a chance of passing as it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, no piece of legislation in Congress passes

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<v Speaker 2>as it is if you look at the format was

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<v Speaker 2>in when it was introduced to when it navigated its

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<v Speaker 2>way through the House in the Senate, so I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>it will change. So really both things. Yeah, it's bipartisan.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got Republicans and Democrats supporting this, and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>broad swath of Republicans. You've got Republicans from very very

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<v Speaker 2>moderate districts. We also have a Freedom Caucus member who's

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<v Speaker 2>supporting this bill. And so you have the complete range

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<v Speaker 2>of Republicans that are supporting this a piece of legislation

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<v Speaker 2>because they know the urgency, as you said, that we

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<v Speaker 2>have here. And I'm totally sensitive to the argument about

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<v Speaker 2>cutting in line. And that's why when you read the bill,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a hard date in the bill that this applies to.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a rolling five year period. It's a hard

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<v Speaker 2>date that says this does not apply to anybody that

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<v Speaker 2>was immigrated illegally to the United States January of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one or later. So when you couple that, you

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<v Speaker 2>know you got to go back five years, and the

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<v Speaker 2>onus is on the individual to prove that this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>government resources that are going to go to proving that

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<v Speaker 2>the individual has to prove it, and if they can't

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<v Speaker 2>prove it, well, then under the self deportation mandate and

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<v Speaker 2>the bill get out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I do think that if you can get

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<v Speaker 1>this sorted out, it will it will change public sentiment

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<v Speaker 1>about this going forward, in my view, because if you say, look,

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<v Speaker 1>we've reformed the system that will allow people to come

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<v Speaker 1>over here and work if they just want to work, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we reformed that, we reform the legal immigration system, then

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<v Speaker 1>the excuse making gets a lot harder to make, simply

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<v Speaker 1>because when we make it easier for people who want

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<v Speaker 1>to come here and take advantage of the American dream

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<v Speaker 1>to do so while making sure we're getting the bad

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<v Speaker 1>actors out. I think most Americans are behind that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that it's literally the national auto of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, e pluribusunem out of many want. And

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<v Speaker 2>so we know that there's a lot of very, very

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<v Speaker 2>talented people that come to the United States for that

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<v Speaker 2>American dream, and so we want to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>get those best, those brightest, those hard workers, those people

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<v Speaker 2>that come here. I mean, look no further than there's

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<v Speaker 2>a there's a great book about Thomas Nelson Publishers, which

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the biggest publishers of Bibles in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the country. That was that was started by a

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<v Speaker 2>Lebanese immigrant who came to the United States and that

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<v Speaker 2>was his passion. And so as long as we are

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<v Speaker 2>setting a very tough, very rigorous program to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to get those hard working, best and brightest people. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not one of those, then sorry, there's not

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<v Speaker 2>a pathway forward. But if you are one of those,

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<v Speaker 2>there is. That is something that helps the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>not just internally in terms of our you know, our

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<v Speaker 2>economy and workforce and stuff like that. But we got

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<v Speaker 2>to remember we're not in a vacuum globally. We've got major,

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<v Speaker 2>major at at the international level, entities like China that

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<v Speaker 2>would very much like to pass up the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>and you serve our position of global leadership, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we need to make sure that we are maintaining our

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<v Speaker 2>position as the global leaders against foreign competitors like China.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when you're able to get the best and

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<v Speaker 2>brightest people from other places that want to come to

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, that gives us a leg up in

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<v Speaker 2>making sure that we're able to beat the Chinese.

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<v Speaker 1>Representative Gabe Evans, I so appreciate your time today. We

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<v Speaker 1>are out of time on late as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope we can talk more about this in

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<v Speaker 1>then your future.

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<v Speaker 2>Always enjoy being on with you, all right, Thanks