1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. 2 00:00:07,519 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 2: This episode of the Old Behave Show on Pet Life 3 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:14,519 Radio is brought to you by Tavati pet Devadipet is 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:20,480 the makers of the science back Veterinarian Trusted Natural topical formula. 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,480 It supports joint health and mobility and dogs. Learn more 6 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:32,399 at Tavadi dot com, Tvati dot com. 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,799 Speaker 3: It's Oh Behave with Ardenmore, this show that teaches you 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,960 how to have harmony in the household with your pets. 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,079 Join Ardina. 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Hosts 18 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:09,000 America's pet ed You, Janner Arden More. 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: Pause Up, pet Pals, Welcome to the Old Behave Show 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,040 on Pet Life Radio. 21 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Arden Moore. 22 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:24,599 Speaker 2: Ah, home sweet home, but is it home safe home, 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,040 especially for your pets. Fortunately, our special guest today is 24 00:01:30,079 --> 00:01:35,560 an expert. I'm keeping our pets safe, especially from hidden poisons. 25 00:01:35,359 --> 00:01:38,439 Speaker 1: Working in our homes. So at this time it's going 26 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:40,200 to be a mouthful of a sentence. Here we go. 27 00:01:40,599 --> 00:01:44,239 Speaker 2: Please give pause and applause to the medical director at 28 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:50,519 veg Er for Pets in Cambridge, Massachusetts, a remarkable veterinarian, 29 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,040 and she is doctor Katrina Abel. 30 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,319 Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, doctor Katrina. Thank you, Arden. I'm so glad 31 00:01:56,359 --> 00:01:56,920 to be here. 32 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,159 Speaker 2: I love this v EG pause E A go ahead, 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,920 say what it stands for. I know I eat my 34 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,480 green beans and everything, but that's not what it stands for. 35 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: That Nery Emergency Group is bad gr for a pet. 36 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: There's quite a few all around. I'm in the Dallas area, 37 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:13,439 there's one in uh I know in Allen, Texas. 38 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: They're everywhere, right, Yeah, So we have I think five 39 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:18,840 in the state of Massachusetts. I think there's all over 40 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,159 one hundred and thirty across the country. We just opened 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,960 up one in Canada, so definitely expanding and growing fairly quickly. 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,879 We're opening about thirty hospitals a year. 43 00:02:29,439 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: Wow wow, I should say bow wow and me wow right, 44 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,159 bow wow. Well, before we dive into some of the 45 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,240 hidden o's that are lurking in our homes, I wanted 46 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,319 to have people get to a chance to get to 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,319 know you. We have one thing in common. I was 48 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,479 the editor at Tufts University's Catnet magazine for eight years 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,199 back in the day. Doctor John Berg was my advisor, 50 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,360 and doctor Nicholas Dodman. So you are a tough scrad 51 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,120 I am, yeah, I'm actually a double jumbo. 52 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:02,159 Speaker 1: So I went to under Gratituess with the intention of 53 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:05,199 going to VET school, and then I moved from Somerville, 54 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:07,800 Elt to North Grafton and finished up my grad school 55 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:11,400 there going to VET school. And I actually know both 56 00:03:11,439 --> 00:03:13,960 of those people that you mentioned just for my time there, 57 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,240 so that is something in common. I did it for 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,560 about eight years. I loved it. 59 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: I had to interview all the people with vana white 60 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,120 initials after their names, you know, board sort of fighting 61 00:03:22,199 --> 00:03:25,039 specialties to be able to do the magazine. 62 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: It was a big joy. So I'd just been doing my. 63 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:32,319 Speaker 2: Background and you're not just a veterinarian, You're a dog 64 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:35,599 mom telling us a dog Rudy Ruby. 65 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,719 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm right now. I'm a dog mom of one. 66 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:43,439 I have a five year old chocolate lab which we're 67 00:03:43,439 --> 00:03:45,319 going to get into a little bit of chocolate stuff later. 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,800 So that's a good connection. Her name is Ruby, and 69 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,560 she's energetic. We were just out across country skiing actually 70 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:53,560 this weekend. We had some snow and Ruby likes, say, 71 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:56,120 there's trails right near my home and Ruby likes to 72 00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:59,280 run alongside and as I'm skiing. So yeah, she's had 73 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:00,479 tons of energy. 74 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,639 Speaker 2: Like all labs isn't the same. I think doctor Marty 75 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:06,639 Becker Say's labs they chew till they're two and shed 76 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,400 till they're dead. She does both of those things fairly. 77 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:12,439 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's true. I love that. 78 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: You know what got you into vetinary medicine and specifically 79 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:18,680 emergency medicine. 80 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's not a time in my life that 81 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,079 I don't remember wanting to be a veterinarian. I remember 82 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,759 driving up to I grew up in Bangor, Maine, to 83 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,240 a little clinic Brewer, Maine, riding up there and sort 84 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,759 of saying, as I looked at my dad, like I 85 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:34,519 actually think I want to do this. And so that 86 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,920 was and yet that's sort of a common story. A 87 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,040 lot of veterinarians say that it's sort of a lifelong 88 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,519 dream or a passion. And then, yeah, and then I 89 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,439 had planned sort of always had in the back of 90 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,519 my mind, and that was I was very intentional when 91 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,720 I went to Toughs, knowing that Tuffs had had a grad 92 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,079 school program, a veterinary program, very good ones. Yeah, and 93 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,040 then you know, as I went through and I think 94 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:56,000 this happens to a lot of students in VET school. 95 00:04:56,199 --> 00:04:58,199 You go through your rotations and your clinics and you're 96 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,199 drawn to one area or another when an er for 97 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:05,399 me was like really exciting, really variable. And so I've 98 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:08,519 been a lifelong ear veut. A lot of people when 99 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,959 I graduated from school did one year internship. So I 100 00:05:10,959 --> 00:05:13,879 did an internship and then I went into ear medicine 101 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:16,480 and I've been there ever since. I love it. 102 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,199 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, we're talking to doctor Katrina Abel. She is 103 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:24,199 with the veg Er Group Vener Group, and we're going 104 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:25,920 to find out what we can do to keep our 105 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,759 homes safe for our pets. After we take this quick 106 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:31,279 break and you guys know the drill, we got to 107 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:33,600 sit stay, We'll be right back. 108 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: Time for a pause. Four very ones, actually sit and 109 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,800 stay all behave We'll be right back. 110 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:50,199 Speaker 4: Take a bite out of your competition. 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Now back to your vegging 124 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:45,519 host America's pet ed You, Janer arden More. 125 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the old Behay show on Petlife Radio. 126 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,319 I'm your host Ardenmore. 127 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: I love it when I get an ear vet in 128 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,160 the house. 129 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: And she is doctor Fittrina Abel and she is the 130 00:06:57,519 --> 00:07:02,720 medical director for the vegain Ridge. That's Veterinary Emergency group 131 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:07,160 ER and you're in Cambridge, Massachusetts. What drew me to 132 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,120 you is that every month, every day, every hour has 133 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,920 some designation, right, but March is designated as National Pet 134 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:18,680 Poison Prevention Month. Yeap, But really this is something we 135 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,040 should be doing twelve months a year, three sixty five right. 136 00:07:22,279 --> 00:07:24,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, no, March is sort of an awareness month. 137 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:26,720 I think people start to dig out of the snow 138 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:29,279 and they start to look around them, and pets start 139 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:31,639 to get into trouble as the weather warms up, for sure, 140 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,519 and so it's definitely really a great month to start 141 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:35,160 thinking about that. 142 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: And I know there's not hard facts, but the best 143 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,680 estimated guess from your point, because places like Poison Control 144 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,199 Hotline er veterinary clinics like yourselves. Do you have an 145 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:49,920 idea about how many h O cases are coming to 146 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:51,680 ers every year? Oh? 147 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: I don't know that I know that number, but I 148 00:07:54,399 --> 00:07:57,079 can tell you that in our clinic we see a 149 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,600 ton of toxicities. We said, dogs get into things that 150 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:02,959 require surgical removal, and we see dogs that get into 151 00:08:02,959 --> 00:08:06,040 things that require medical care. Cats too. For sure. I 152 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,879 don't want to give dogs all the credit. But for 153 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,000 most of those things, the dogs are the curious ones 154 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,439 that are that are doing that kind of thing. 155 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: Well, I've written the Dog Behavior answer Book and the 156 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,920 Cat Behavior answer Book, and I can tell you cats 157 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,680 are like, let me take my paw and test the waters, 158 00:08:21,279 --> 00:08:23,959 and the dogs are like, oh, popping in my mouth? 159 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: Oh is that right? One hundred percent true? Yeah, And 160 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,720 you know, living with the lab, I see that all 161 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:34,120 the time. There's nothing that doesn't go into her mouth. 162 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,720 So definitely in my household, we're off also super careful 163 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:38,559 about that kind of thing. 164 00:08:38,759 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: So you kind of set the stage for two different areas. 165 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:45,320 So let's go with like things that are edible that 166 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,399 shouldn't be edible. Sure, then let's go to things that 167 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:52,320 maybe could cause them, you know, other harms. But people 168 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,720 know that the darker the chocolate, the worse it could 169 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,240 be sure to be ingested because of the theobromine. But 170 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,039 can you kind of give us Everybody says there's some lab, 171 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,960 maybe even a chocolate lab, that can eat a whole 172 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,039 bag of M and ms and be fine, and a 173 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,480 poor little shitsu has like two M and m's, and 174 00:09:10,879 --> 00:09:14,200 uh oh, so what is going on with dark chocolate 175 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,200 and dogs and their sizes. 176 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,879 Speaker 1: What's the factors. Yeah, so definitely there's a lot of 177 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,399 variability there. So we have charts that we follow and 178 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,080 we look at the bell curve as to what the 179 00:09:25,159 --> 00:09:27,639 signs we expect might be based on the dose. The 180 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,360 dose is key. It has to do with the size 181 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:32,360 of the pet, right, and so you mentioned a shitsu 182 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,440 versus maybe a larger dog like a lab. If they 183 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,720 ate the same amount of dark chocolate, they're probably gonna 184 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:41,840 have different signs because the dose is different. And then 185 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,159 there's also individual variability across pets and right, and so 186 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,360 some dogs can eat a certain amount and maybe they're 187 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:50,759 on the borderline of whether they might be symptomatic or not, 188 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:53,159 and in that particular case they aren't. And other dogs, 189 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,840 for whatever reason are more sensitive to it and are 190 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,159 going to show signs earlier. So there are those two 191 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,720 main parts of variability. And then certainly the type of chocolate. 192 00:10:01,799 --> 00:10:05,120 We know that milk chocolate is much less concerning than 193 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:07,240 if a dog ate like, for example, a block of 194 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,919 Baker's chocolate or dark chocolate something like that. 195 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: I know there's these chocolate toxicity calculators out there. Have 196 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:17,039 you heard about them where you plug in, my dog 197 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,840 ate two ounces of milk. 198 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: Chocolate or dark chocolate. 199 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,799 Speaker 2: And my dog weighs this amount, and then there's some 200 00:10:23,919 --> 00:10:27,240 little thing that says, uh, oh, go to the vet 201 00:10:27,399 --> 00:10:30,799 or just monitored. Have you heard of those calculators? 202 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we see them both digitally. There's digital calculators and 203 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,679 there's also these pretty cool wheels like the ASPCA might 204 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,879 put out which you line up the dog's weight with 205 00:10:40,919 --> 00:10:42,960 what type of chocolate and the amount that they ate, 206 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,840 and it can help you show kind of gradations of 207 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,120 what kind of toxicity you might expect to see. 208 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,759 Speaker 2: So chocolate is not good, but I wanted to go 209 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:57,600 into a more dangerous ingredient, xylotol, And it's my understanding 210 00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:02,799 that it's a lot worse than ingesting dark chocolate that 211 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:08,120 has steel bromine, but xylotol or birch sugar, which oh 212 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,720 that sounds so healthy and natural, but it isn't right. 213 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:14,399 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, no, xylotol. We see it can be in 214 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,039 things like sugar free products, gum candy. The thing that 215 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,559 we worry about was xylotol mostly is the liver and 216 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,879 it's the same thing. It depends on the amount that's 217 00:11:23,919 --> 00:11:27,759 what's ingested, and also the xylotol concentration of a particular product. 218 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,159 We know the certain products like we see it most 219 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:33,480 commonly with gum ingestion, but we know that some particular 220 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:35,840 products are going to be much more risky than others, 221 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,840 so to sort of stay away from those. So what's 222 00:11:38,879 --> 00:11:40,759 the deal with sugar free peanut butter? 223 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: Because I do know some people are on keto diets, 224 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,759 they're diabetic, or they're watching their carbs and they may 225 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:52,279 unintentionally give their dog some sugar free peanut butter. 226 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: Have you heard about that? Yeah, so I know of 227 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,919 sugar free peanut butter. I've actually, in practice, I've never 228 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,559 actually seen a sugar peanut butter toxicity or actually even 229 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,480 had a question of somebody calling with that, and I 230 00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:08,440 you know, I think the most important thing when you 231 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,559 have a sugar free product and your concern is to 232 00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:14,159 check the ingredients, to check to see does it contain xylatol, 233 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,000 And then you could call, for example, pet poison control 234 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,399 and they can help you figure out whether that dose 235 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:22,360 before you go in and see somebody. If your dog 236 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,799 is not symptomatic, there's tools and resources that you have 237 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:28,039 to call to see if there's a risk to your 238 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,080 pet and whether or not you should be seen by 239 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,159 the er or not. So those are like important general 240 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,559 pointers about when you're not sure. But what do you 241 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,000 think when you hear the being changed to something that 242 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,240 sounds very benign like birch sugar when it really is xylotol. 243 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,960 That makes you really want to read the label? Yes, 244 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,559 one hundred percent. I think that the awareness of what 245 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,039 the different names of different things could be, and just 246 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,679 having a basic awareness when you have a pet in 247 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,080 your home as far as risks of all things that 248 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,039 we might see as completely benign and particularly delicious for us, 249 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:01,440 definitely it's not the same for our pets. And so 250 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,200 having that knowledge is really important. 251 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,919 Speaker 2: So we're talking about keeping our pets safe and you know, 252 00:13:06,039 --> 00:13:09,279 the spring is coming. We've talked about chocolate, We've talked 253 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:13,159 about artificial sweeteners. What are some other poisons that are 254 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,279 lurking in and around our homes that we need to 255 00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:17,759 keep our pets safe from. 256 00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's lots of things. If I think 257 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,120 about my yard as the as the weather starts to 258 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,039 warm up, you know, we do all sorts of things. 259 00:13:25,039 --> 00:13:28,200 We start to mulch our plants. There's certain mulches that 260 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,919 are really safe for pets, shreaded pine for example, But 261 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,480 there's certain as we start to think about chocolate, certain 262 00:13:34,519 --> 00:13:37,440 products which might be more risky, like, for example, a 263 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,440 cocoa bean mulch, which is made from the holes of 264 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:46,240 the cocoa bean. Oh, it smells really good, right when 265 00:13:46,279 --> 00:13:48,919 it's fresh, it smells really good, and it might attract 266 00:13:48,919 --> 00:13:51,639 our pets to it because it smells so good if 267 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:54,679 they eat a large enough quantity of that particular mulch, 268 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:57,960 and when it's really fresh, the fresher, the more risky 269 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,080 it is. You could have some of those chocolate toxicity 270 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:03,480 signs that we sort of had started to talk through 271 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,480 due to the risk of theobromine and caffeine being in 272 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:09,440 that product. So what are the signs? What are some 273 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:11,759 of the things? Oh, yeah, so some of the things 274 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:14,840 that we see with chocolate toxicity vomiting and diarrhea. Pets 275 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,679 often present with an elevated heart rate, so we sometimes 276 00:14:17,759 --> 00:14:20,919 have to give medications to slow that down. They can 277 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:26,159 develop pancreatitis in some cases, they can start to develop seizures, 278 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,720 and in real severe cases, you can have death from 279 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,240 chocolate toxicity with the cocoa bean mulch. It's pretty rare 280 00:14:34,279 --> 00:14:36,879 because you'd have to eat a large enough quantity. But 281 00:14:36,919 --> 00:14:40,399 if we're just talking straight, chocolate toxicity, definitely, those those 282 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:42,919 are things to look for and just to be safe. 283 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,840 You know, I would avoid that product if I had 284 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,759 a pet, and you know, oh yeah, yeah, I would 285 00:14:46,759 --> 00:14:48,919 avoid that product at home, just because of the risk. 286 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,759 Not to mention just eating mulch. We see that a 287 00:14:51,799 --> 00:14:54,080 lot dogs will eat mult whether or not it's a 288 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,480 toxic product or not. It's not great for their gi tract, 289 00:14:57,519 --> 00:15:00,600 as you can imagine, and they can develop bonding, diarrhea, 290 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,480 other things just as a result of puncture something. Sure, yeah, 291 00:15:04,559 --> 00:15:08,480 sharp enough product, definitely it could. And so just being careful. 292 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,279 If you see your dogs munching on mulch, goes for rocks, 293 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,519 goes for really anything in the yard, maybe think twice 294 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:15,360 about whether you want them to continue to do that. 295 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: And I know this is really tasty question, but shouldn't 296 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,399 people bring in the evidence if they've hurled or it's 297 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:24,759 gone out the south end? Why is it so important 298 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:27,799 for veterinarians to be able to analyze I. 299 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:30,159 Speaker 1: Love that you called that out. We say that whenever 300 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,919 anybody calls and they have a question about a particular product, 301 00:15:32,919 --> 00:15:35,679 a medication, whatever it is, please bring in the packaging 302 00:15:36,039 --> 00:15:38,200 because it helps us figure out what the dose is 303 00:15:38,279 --> 00:15:41,559 and what the active ingredients are. There's so many different 304 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:44,200 I'll give you a rodenticide for example. There's so many 305 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,559 different products that people use in their homes that if 306 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,879 we don't see that packaging, it can be very hard 307 00:15:49,879 --> 00:15:52,279 for us to piece together how to treat and what 308 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,480 the next steps are if we don't know what the 309 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:58,759 products are. So yeah, absolutely goes for gum, goes for anything, candy, chocolate, 310 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:01,120 bring the rap or bring anything you have so that 311 00:16:01,399 --> 00:16:04,480 we can start to figure it out and unsolve the mystery. 312 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:06,759 Is it good to asso bring in what they puked 313 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:10,080 up or pooped out to the three if you can 314 00:16:10,159 --> 00:16:10,600 grab it. 315 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: Yep. 316 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: And you're not sure, absolutely, I think there's no such 317 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,519 thing as too much information as we're trying to figure 318 00:16:17,559 --> 00:16:20,120 out what the next steps are. One hundred percent. 319 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: When I'm behind the microphone, I'm actually a certified master instructor. 320 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:25,720 I have my own company, pet first Day for you 321 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:28,879 with a dog, a cat, and lots of veterinarians with 322 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,919 that are an er, critical care, internal medicine, feline medicine. 323 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,960 I'm always learning from you all, and one of the 324 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,080 things I've picked up from you that we share with 325 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,320 our students is take your phone and just do like 326 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:47,159 a three sixty around where it was, because you veterinarians 327 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,240 may find something that we live here every day and 328 00:16:50,279 --> 00:16:50,879 we don't see. 329 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,759 Speaker 1: Can you expand on that? Yeah? I love that. No, 330 00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:55,919 I think that's a great call for all of the 331 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,200 reasons you said. I also would expand that. And as 332 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,919 you started to talk, I sort of had wish I 333 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,360 had said, if you can't bring in the vomit or 334 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:06,240 take a picture of it, at least you can see 335 00:17:06,279 --> 00:17:09,000 the volume. We can see what might be in it, colors, 336 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:11,759 that kind of thing. All of those things they may 337 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,759 or may not provide clues. But again, the more information 338 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:16,799 the better, especially if we're dealing with some of these 339 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:19,000 more scary potential toxicities. 340 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:22,759 Speaker 2: Now I do my laundry. I try to wear clean clothes. 341 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:26,279 But if I'm a dog, am I looking at those 342 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,279 laundry pods a little bit differently than what we look 343 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:29,680 at them. 344 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,559 Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, I mean I think there's a lot 345 00:17:32,599 --> 00:17:35,319 of information that it's recently come out about those pods, 346 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,720 but definitely the risk of ingestion. Right, those might look 347 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:41,960 like tasty little treats, and absolutely the detergent and the 348 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,640 chemicals and the products and those are definitely at put 349 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,119 your pets at risk for toxicity. So I would definitely 350 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,480 be careful about where and how you store those products 351 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:51,880 in your home. So you said a. 352 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 2: Crazy fun lab named Ruby, I mean, where do you 353 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,279 keep your laundry pads in relationship to your chocolate lab? 354 00:17:57,519 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, for better or for worse, my laundry is 355 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:03,559 in my first floor on my basement. Ruby doesn't go 356 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,799 down there, so that's okay. It's also stored up on 357 00:18:06,839 --> 00:18:09,119 a shelf, so she not only does she not go 358 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,599 down there, but she doesn't actually have access to It's 359 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,920 too tall for her. So we definitely make sure. But 360 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,519 even the pods that we use, for example, in our dishwasher, 361 00:18:17,839 --> 00:18:20,799 those are stored very carefully in our kitchen, and part 362 00:18:20,839 --> 00:18:23,200 of mod the thing that I've educated my children on 363 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:26,240 is knowing what all the toxicities are in our household 364 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,920 and making sure they're safe as well with making sure 365 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,319 things are closed and latched and put away. That kind 366 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:32,000 of thing I. 367 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,519 Speaker 2: Think that's really important because kids love their pets and 368 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,079 they're like they're siblings and they're growing up together. And 369 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,200 I think that's a really awesome tip to share as 370 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,880 a mom and a veterinarian, the importance of getting the 371 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,559 kids involved right in the safety. 372 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like, for example, we think about grapes, right, 373 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,680 we have our kid, they're like, you know, my kids 374 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:54,960 used to have grapes. They're older now, but they used 375 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,839 to sit at their high chair and have their grapes. 376 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,400 The risks maybe if you haven't. One of the things 377 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,039 we did is make sure they didn't have them until 378 00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:05,160 they were old enough to understand the potential risks. But 379 00:19:05,279 --> 00:19:09,559 grapes are a thing that could cause renal toxicity, right, 380 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:12,119 and so it's really important to be very careful with 381 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,039 products like that that we don't typically think of as 382 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:18,480 scary products when we're having them with our pets and 383 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,559 our kids mixed in that everybody's kind of aware of 384 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,079 what that risk is, so we can keep everybody safe. 385 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,559 It's also the shape to close off the airway, oh 386 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:29,799 for sure. Oh yeah, for a small child and or 387 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,920 a pet. One hundred percent. Yeah. The friendship help me, Yes, 388 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,480 I think That's a great call, is that things aren't 389 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:41,240 just toxic or problematic because of the chemicals they campaign contain, 390 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,759 but also shape and size can play a huge role. 391 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: Man, I'm getting schooled in a good way, everybody. We 392 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:49,480 are speaking with doctor Katrina Abel. 393 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: She is an er vet. 394 00:19:50,839 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 2: She is also the medical director for Veger for Pets 395 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,359 and Cambridge, Massachusetts. We're going to dive in a little 396 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,279 bit more after we take this break. Sit stay, we'd 397 00:19:59,279 --> 00:19:59,759 be right. 398 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: Back time for a walk on the red car. 399 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,039 Speaker 1: But of course, oh behave. 400 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: We'll be backing up lash right after these messages. Oh sure, 401 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:14,720 it's all fun and games until someone ends up in 402 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:16,319 a cone. That's right. 403 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:17,279 Speaker 1: We are animals. 404 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 2: Pet Life Radio. 405 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 3: Let's talk pets, Let's talk past. 406 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 4: It, Let's done pets, talk about radio, Headline. 407 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,839 Speaker 3: Radio, pet Life Radio dot Com. 408 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: Everybody does. Stephen Whooper are relying you to always listen 409 00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:34,880 to argue more on Obhay the Best Show on pet 410 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:35,519 Live Radio. 411 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 3: We're back from the lot. Just check the paper and 412 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,160 we had our record showing at the box, the letterbox 413 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,519 that is now back to Oh behave, here's Arden. 414 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Obie Hay Show on pet Life radio. 415 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,440 I'm your host, Ardenmore, I salute you. I mean, this 416 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:57,720 is an area of medicine that you never know what 417 00:20:57,759 --> 00:20:59,960 your day's going to be like. And I'm talking about 418 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,359 emergency medicine for pets and dogs and cats don't speak English, 419 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,880 they can't tell you what's going on. So don't you 420 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,480 feel sometimes you're like a pet detective? 421 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely we feel that often, and we talked 422 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,640 about that just a couple of minutes ago. Having all 423 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,559 of those pieces, all of those pieces of information can 424 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,000 help you put things together. And sometimes people will say 425 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:24,440 that in some ways veterinarians have to practice similar to pediatricians, 426 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,119 at least for small kids who can't really say, you know, 427 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,319 express themselves. And I would say the same. We have 428 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,079 to take the clues from our physical exam, from what 429 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,160 our owners are telling us, our pet parents are telling us, 430 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,039 and also from what we're getting, you know, from our environment. 431 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: We've covered grapes, we've covered some gardening things. We've covered 432 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,799 what was the first one we started with them, chocolate? 433 00:21:46,079 --> 00:21:51,200 Chocolate chocolate, yeah, yeah, But other toxins that are in 434 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,519 our home could be our own human prescription medicine, and 435 00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:58,200 so any tips that you can offer for people on 436 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,680 how to keep those pain pills and other needs out 437 00:22:01,759 --> 00:22:02,440 of pause reach. 438 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,599 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one hundred percent. So I think you know 439 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,319 this probably goes It's same thing that you would apply 440 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,119 to kids, you would younger kids, you would apply to 441 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,200 your pets. Which is the best thing you can do 442 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:16,200 is make sure they're locked up, they're not mixed. Mixing 443 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,799 pills into one bottle makes it really hard if there 444 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,079 is a potential exposure because you don't know how much 445 00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:23,920 of a particular pill. You don't know necessarily always what's 446 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,079 in that bottle, and so keeping them in their labeled bottles, 447 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:29,279 with their child safe locks and in a really safe 448 00:22:29,279 --> 00:22:32,400 place in your home is definitely the way to go. 449 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,200 Having you know, pills on tables, even if you think 450 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,759 it might be out of reach of a dog. We 451 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:39,519 know dogs will jump up, I can potentially grab things down. 452 00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:42,279 So always making sure you know where your pills are 453 00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:45,279 taking them and then diligently putting them away is definitely 454 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:45,839 the way to go. 455 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 2: So here's your question for two hundred. You probably will 456 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,960 win this if you're in jeopardy or something. Hydrogen peroxide. 457 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,839 What is the one and only safe use for hydrogen 458 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,640 peroxide for pets, and I'm speaking dogs, not cats. 459 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, so hy does peroxide we can use to induce 460 00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:04,799 vomiting at home for pets. One thing that we want 461 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:08,079 to be careful of is that there's not an alternative. 462 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,319 So I don't recommend hydrogen peroxide if I know an 463 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,519 owner pet parent can get to us quickly and we 464 00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:17,039 can safely induce vomiting, which is monitored in the hospital. 465 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,839 But sometimes, for example we're in Massachusetts, we have owners 466 00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:24,440 that are in northern New Hampshire, Vermont, or there's a snowstorm, 467 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,079 or they can't get here. There's a variety of reasons. Right, 468 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,880 it's it, and so in that case we will sometimes 469 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,920 recommend a dose of hydrogen peroxide as a trial. One 470 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,960 of the tricky things for hydrogen peroxide is it has 471 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,759 to sort of be a fresh bottle. If you have 472 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,240 an old bottle of hydrogen peroxide and you try to 473 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,279 use it, it's efficacy is much lower, meaning it doesn't 474 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:45,240 work as well. And so having a fresh bottle on 475 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,480 hand is like actually a really good safety thing to 476 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:50,359 have in your home if you have pets. 477 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:53,319 Speaker 2: What about this idea when you change your clocks twice 478 00:23:53,319 --> 00:23:55,599 a year, Yeah, why don't you look at everything your 479 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,039 monitors for CO two smoke everything for you and your 480 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:00,799 pet and see what needs updating. 481 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: I love that. I think that would be a great thing. 482 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:06,400 Is to make sure that things are tucked away, you 483 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,160 have updated safety things in place. You've talked to your 484 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,400 kids about potential toxicities in your home that might be 485 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,839 put your pets at risk. That's a great call. The 486 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,640 other thing with hydrogen proxie what at least what we've 487 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,480 been told by my veterinarians that serve on my pet 488 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:23,680 First DAI program is have a vet on the phone 489 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,359 if you can. 490 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 2: And now there's telehealth, you've got Veggier, you've got poison control, 491 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,880 you've got your own vet. So is there any tips 492 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,119 you can give people on how they report a uh 493 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,799 oh without freaking out so you can get to the 494 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,319 crux of it and give them good guidance to get 495 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,200 them safely to get treated. 496 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: Yes, so at VEG you can just call us at 497 00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:48,000 one of our founding foundational spikes we call them at 498 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:50,160 VEGE is if you call us, we're going to get 499 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,720 right on the phone. So it's not that you're speaking 500 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:57,799 necessarily to less medically trained teammate. You're going to be 501 00:24:57,839 --> 00:24:59,880 talking to a vetnarian when you call, and so we're 502 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:01,519 and be able to give you the most up to 503 00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:04,279 date advice as to how we think you should proceed 504 00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:06,599 now in the next five minutes, in the next twenty 505 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,759 minutes to keep you and your pet as safe as 506 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:10,440 possible so you can get the care that you. 507 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: Need and your veg are not your ordinary vet entrances. 508 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,799 Can you kind of touch upon how you kind of 509 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:20,519 bring the people involved. I mean it's it's very open concept. 510 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent. So vege is built on a 511 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:26,200 transparent model. We're an open concept model and we want 512 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,359 people to be We think that people do better when 513 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,960 they're with their pets, and pets do better when they're 514 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,119 with their people. Yeah, the lower stress and all that yeah, 515 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,880 all that stuff. Yeah, that emotional piece that can be hard. 516 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,359 And so yeah, when people come in with their pets, 517 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,200 they get seated in our treatment area and they are 518 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:43,759 able to stay with their pet throughout every step of 519 00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:47,559 the way, including to the hospitalization step. We'll set people 520 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,400 up in our hospital with CODs. They can stay over 521 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,240 with their pet if they want. Nice. It's lovely. We 522 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,960 don't have visiting hours. People can just come when they 523 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,599 want to come. It's always open so that we can 524 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,559 keep it as many pets and people happy as they're 525 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:04,720 recovering and getting better in our hospital. 526 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:08,839 Speaker 2: You talked about the emotional component, so there could be 527 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,559 a nervous nelly and you could have a person with 528 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:14,599 a pet that's pretty calm. You know, we teach people 529 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,440 permission to freak out later. So is there any tips 530 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,000 you can give people when they're bringing in their dog 531 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:25,319 their cat they're kind of oh, and the dog or 532 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,200 cat is smelling their emotional state is I know it's 533 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,039 easy to say, but is there any advice you can 534 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:33,759 give us to keep us at and even keel while 535 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:35,480 the pets in an oh position? 536 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,319 Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think knowing that you're on your 537 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,519 way to help, I think helps some Right, you call 538 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:43,240 and you have a plan and you know what the 539 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,000 next steps are. I think sometimes for me it just 540 00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,359 helps to know, like step one, two and three, It 541 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,839 helps me stay calm if I have a plan. So 542 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,640 if you're stressed, call us. We'll give you the plan 543 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:55,400 and then when you get here. Often we'll meet you 544 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,960 at the door, we'll bring you in. We'll make sure 545 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,680 that you're as comfortable as possible. Things that we can 546 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,079 do to try to make you comfortable. Sometimes, you know, 547 00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,640 we're not going to be able to always eliminate, you know, 548 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,599 the sick part of the sick pet visit, but we 549 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,200 try to do as best we can to make it 550 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,079 comfortable as comfortable as it can be. 551 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,559 Speaker 2: How important is it to have really purposeful breathing instead 552 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:19,960 of shallow breathing when an emergency happens? And don't worry, 553 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,720 I'm not going to sing, lady, God got shallow? 554 00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: I think breathing you mean having humans breathing deep when 555 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,799 they're stress. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think just sometimes 556 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,920 even just sitting down and taking a moment or separating 557 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,119 yourself so you can have some of those breaths and 558 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:38,400 just take a step back is really important. Yeah. I mean, 559 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,599 I think those are all key to do that too. 560 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,720 When you're getting ready to take on a case, how 561 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:44,359 do you do it? I mean I have a little 562 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,680 bit of a ritual where I it depends right, So 563 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,599 some it's hard to prepare when you're in the er 564 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:52,920 because things, man, But what I do I think for me, 565 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,960 I have a ritual of when I come to work 566 00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,920 knowing that you know that anything could walk in the door. 567 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,359 I have my my specific I have the music, I 568 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,559 have my tea, I have a very specific thing that 569 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,920 kind of readies me for work. And then I have 570 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,640 the same kind of exit strategy when I leave, which 571 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,039 is like you know, now I'm leaving my work and 572 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,640 I now I get to to Now it's relaxed time. 573 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,160 And so I think for a lot of care professionals 574 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,960 it's really important to have those boundaries and protect that time. 575 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,079 So so you kind of scale in and then you 576 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,599 kind of scale out from your shift. That's important. Yeah, 577 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,400 one hundred percent. We have a really cool room in 578 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,119 our hospital called the Zen Room, which is an employee room. 579 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,279 That's just a room where if there's a if anybody 580 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,319 needs a moment, they can there's a couch in there, 581 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,559 there's some books they can go and just and take 582 00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,880 that time, have the breaths, have the separation, all those 583 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,759 things that we all need as humans, because r can 584 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:48,200 be hard sometimes for sure, for pets, for people, for employees. 585 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,599 Speaker 2: Now we've alluded to Ruby, So time to say what 586 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,000 has Ruby done that you were you were glad you 587 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:55,799 were an er vet. 588 00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give you one. I mean, Ruby's done some things, 589 00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:01,200 but there's a golf course near house, and I spoke 590 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,480 of it. At the beginning. We were cross country skiing, well, 591 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:05,720 we were at the golf course, like in a it 592 00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,400 was it was cold. I think it was November a 593 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,079 couple of years ago, and things were freezing, but there 594 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:13,440 was no snow, and we were doing our walk around 595 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,000 the golf course because nobody's golfing at this time, and 596 00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:19,400 I saw her sort of digging up, sniffing around a log. 597 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,440 And as I went over to her, I saw a 598 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:25,880 frozen tail and two frozen legs go down the bellet, 599 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,279 and so, oh no, what did she eat? She had 600 00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,519 eaten a frozen mouse that had passed away the golf course, 601 00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:35,240 and so for lots of reasons, we needed to get 602 00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:37,680 rid of it. She couldn't. It wasn't going to digest well, 603 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,720 I could have potentially caused them. 604 00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: She told her that it wasn't kanine sushi I did. 605 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: I told her, we can't do that, Ruby, And we 606 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,359 actually had a fresh bottle of hydrogen peroxide at my 607 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,960 house and I felt very pretty comfortable being an air 608 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,240 area to administer that, and I took her outside. It was. 609 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,000 It was, like I said, it was pretty cold, and 610 00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:59,839 kept taking her out. Nothing was happening, nothing was happening. 611 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:01,960 Finally we came back in to settle in, and as 612 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,440 soon as we were inside, of course, up it came 613 00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:08,480 right on her bed. Oh wow, it is. The hydrogen 614 00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:11,319 peroxide worked, you know, and we were able to get 615 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,599 rid of the frozen mouse. So that's kind of a 616 00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:14,559 fun Rube story. 617 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: And that's how do people find out more about your clinic, 618 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:21,720 where you are and Veger in general. 619 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,799 Speaker 1: So go online check it out. If you go on 620 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,160 to the VEG website, you're going to see all you're 621 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,119 gonna be able to look for, so number one is VEG. 622 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,799 The search engine will search you by your location, so 623 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:36,480 you'll be able to find where you're located, and they're 624 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,720 going to show all the clinics that are nearest to you. 625 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,880 You can look at what services we offer. You can 626 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,119 find out, you know, the medical directors at the hospital 627 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:46,240 that you might be interested in, phone numbers. We're open 628 00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:48,799 twenty four to seven, so there's really no hours posted. 629 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,480 But yeah, I mean, the the website's probably the easiest 630 00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:54,480 and them from the main website, it'll take you to 631 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,599 all the different locations. 632 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:58,119 Speaker 2: I've been having a great time talking to you, doctor 633 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,920 Katrina Abel. I hope handled our questions very well. I 634 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,039 have one final question. Sure if you could have some 635 00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:09,240 trait that dogs or cats have, what would it be 636 00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:09,720 and why? 637 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: That's a great one. I think for me at this age, 638 00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:15,240 I would love to be able to sleep like my 639 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,960 lab sleeps. So you know, she goes for a walk, 640 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,160 she comes home, she's in front of the fire, she 641 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,440 sleeps for five hours the afternoon, she goes for a walk, 642 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,039 she hangs out with us a little. She sleeps like 643 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,720 she could sleep anywhere. I think that would be my 644 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:31,279 trade as I would love to be able to just 645 00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,319 sleep anywhere. Well. 646 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: I have so enjoyed having you on our show, Doctor 647 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:41,160 Katrina Abel, and everybody please be careful. I know March 648 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,599 is designated as National Pet Poison Prevention Month, but we 649 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:50,200 need to be on our toes year round, indoors, outdoors, gardening, kitchen. 650 00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:53,079 You named the bath everything, so just look at it 651 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:57,480 from the standpoint of your dog or cat, right, Doctor Katrina, Absolutely, 652 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,599 I would. 653 00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: Say absolutely keep that in mind. You know, for us 654 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,319 in New England, I know you're in a warmer climate, 655 00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:05,599 but for us. Everything is about to like sort of 656 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,079 unleash as the warmer weather starts. All the products are 657 00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,279 going to be out, the composts, the fertilizers, all the flowers, 658 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:15,200 all the things that are beautiful and helpful but can 659 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:18,079 potentially pose risks. So it's always important to know what's 660 00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:20,079 in your yard, what's in your home, and to keep 661 00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:22,359 your pet safe. So thank you so much for having 662 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,839 me arden. It's been really fun. 663 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: Hey, I appreciate that, Doctor Abel, And I also want 664 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400 to do a shout out to my producer, Mark Winter. 665 00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,240 He is the executive producer of Pet Life Radio, the 666 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,119 largest network of pet shows. Humbly, you are tuned into 667 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,599 the longest running weekly pet podcast on the planet. We 668 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,799 have been on the air since two thousand and seven, 669 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:44,960 when no one knew what a podcast was. Now I 670 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,640 think my water Bottle has. 671 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: Its own show. Who knows? 672 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: So when I'm not behind the mic, please go to 673 00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:53,599 Pet First Aid for you and check out what I do. 674 00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:57,440 I love working with er and critical care veterinarians and 675 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,359 I have a pet safety dog Kona, pet safety dog Casey, 676 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,440 and we have a pet safety dog in training Nova 677 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,759 six toes that will help you get more realism on 678 00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,680 how to find a heartbeat, how to do things, and 679 00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:15,799 how to get that pet stabilized and safely to the 680 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,960 veterinary clinic. 681 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: Please call ahead, right doctor Abel one hundred first time, 682 00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,839 call ahead, No surprises or if you can't come in. 683 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,240 But calling ahead helped you with the plan, it helps 684 00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:27,359 us with the plan. But if you're on your way, 685 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,160 we'll see you. 686 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,559 Speaker 2: When you get here, all right, So until next time, 687 00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:33,200 this is your flea free host are More delivering just 688 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,039 two words to all you two, three and four leaguers 689 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:36,400 out there. 690 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:40,599 Speaker 3: Oh behave coast to coast and around the world. It's 691 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,720 all behaved with art and more. Find out why cats 692 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,039 and dogs do the things they do. Can get the 693 00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:48,960 latest buzz from Wagging Tongues and Tails and rin ten 694 00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:52,720 tinsel Town from famous pet experts and best selling authors, 695 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:55,720 good television and movie stars. 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