Speaker 1: Oh bed of far Hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I'm the Cajun Night,
Speaker 1: I'm Raving And today we have on a very very
Speaker 1: special guest, the Man, the Mitt, the Legend, Peter Fuller.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show this year me Sarah.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having me on your podcast.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so for all the good Cult members that may
Speaker 1: not know much about mister Fuller. Here he is here
Speaker 1: to talk about secret space projects and operations that have
Speaker 1: been conducted. But before we get to that, just in
Speaker 1: the prelude before the show and the little you know,
Speaker 1: the bullshit that went on for about five to ten
Speaker 1: minutes before we started, somehow we got on the topic
Speaker 1: of armor and combat and medieval fighting in these things.
Speaker 1: Come to find out, mister Peter here has been around
Speaker 1: the block of time or two. So, okay, you got
Speaker 1: started in armor smithing originally for the sense of combat
Speaker 1: or was it more of the artistry side of it?
Speaker 1: Then you went into the combat side.
Speaker 2: No, what happened was this This is kind of a
Speaker 2: long story. We got time as much as I can.
Speaker 2: When I was four years old, this guy came to
Speaker 2: the door selling Ah Jack's laundry detergent.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And this was back in the mid nineteen sixties. And yes,
Speaker 2: I'm dating myself, that's okay. And I was four years
Speaker 2: old and this was in the age of door to
Speaker 2: door salesman. So he came to the door selling Ajax
Speaker 2: Longer Detergent, and on television at that time, they had
Speaker 2: these commercials for Ajax and they had a white knight
Speaker 2: who had joust with the clothesline to get the clothes clean.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: So this salesman was wearing a suit of armor painted white.
Speaker 1: A door to door salesman wearing armor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's wearing a suit of armor painted white. And
Speaker 2: so for a very impressionable four year old, that was
Speaker 2: a seminal moment in my life. And he gave his
Speaker 2: sales pitch to my mom and then I spent the
Speaker 2: rest of the morning watching him at the front window,
Speaker 2: watching him walk up and down the street. And from
Speaker 2: that moment on, I was hooked on all things medieval.
Speaker 2: So I had to, you know, I had to drive
Speaker 2: my parents crazy asking for books and models and toys
Speaker 2: and whatever I could that was related to medieval armor.
Speaker 2: And somewhere along the line, I realized that if I
Speaker 2: wanted to have my own armor. I was just going
Speaker 2: to have to make it myself.
Speaker 1: Right, there's not many armor smiths in the game in
Speaker 1: the world. Well now there's more than there used to be,
Speaker 1: but especially in that timeframe, yeah.
Speaker 2: There there was no access to it. I mean all
Speaker 2: there was was either were a few armorers who you know,
Speaker 2: probably lived in Europe and that kind of thing, but
Speaker 2: there was no access to anything like that where I was.
Speaker 2: I was living in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, and so yeah,
Speaker 2: I just my grandfather taught metallurgical analysis during the Second
Speaker 2: World War, so I picked his brain and just I
Speaker 2: bought myself an anvil and some hammers and got some
Speaker 2: sheet metal and just started banging away. And that was
Speaker 2: oh boy, went nineteen eighty. Wow. I was twenty years
Speaker 2: old at the time, and so started making it. And
Speaker 2: then it just kind of grew from there. And in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, I think I started my business Medieval Reproductions,
Speaker 2: where I actually you know, made armor for sale, not
Speaker 2: just for myself. And then in the midnight and the
Speaker 2: mid well the late nineteen nineties, I started fighting in
Speaker 2: armor okay, and I had some friends who were in
Speaker 2: the SCA. But my passion was historical accuracy. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: the SCA there are, there are factions of the SCA
Speaker 2: are very historically accurate, but for the most part, you know,
Speaker 2: it was not quite what I was looking for. I
Speaker 2: started my own group.
Speaker 1: Any of our listeners that may not know what SCA is,
Speaker 1: it is A. I mean, I talk about Boo Hurt
Speaker 1: a good bit because that's what I do. But a
Speaker 1: lot of the fighters that are in Boo Heard started
Speaker 1: off with SCA or HIMA or some other type of
Speaker 1: medieval martial arts style fighting SCA. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: what the acronym stands for.
Speaker 2: The society creative anachronism.
Speaker 1: Creative an acronym basically uh, reenactment so like the Civil War, No,
Speaker 1: like reenactment or you're actually like physically fighting an acronyms
Speaker 1: not I didn't hear what it was.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to use the term of arpers
Speaker 1: because that's inaccurate and a lot of SCA nerds will
Speaker 1: get mad at me for that one. But it's also
Speaker 1: foam fighting, oh okay, okay, which is really fun. For
Speaker 1: the record, I have.
Speaker 4: Nothing because his designs were so elaborate and so intense.
Speaker 3: I would not want to ruin it. I we're not
Speaker 3: going to scratch it.
Speaker 1: Well, so what sea you're allowed to fight with? Essentially
Speaker 1: you could go with a pot on your head, a
Speaker 1: very thick leather belt and like some very basic hockey
Speaker 1: gloves and like you're good to fight because it's all
Speaker 1: foam and britann weapons, which you might get some bruises,
Speaker 1: but you're not going to get seriously injured from it
Speaker 1: unless you're going out of your way to get injured.
Speaker 1: And it's super fun and they have whole regional things.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine is a double duke.
Speaker 3: It's awesome.
Speaker 1: There's kingdoms, there's there's it's it's really fun time, absolutely fun. However,
Speaker 1: boo hurt. Like the bare bones minimum is you're wearing
Speaker 1: eighty pounds of armor, and if you're getting really fancy
Speaker 1: with it with the titanium, you might get away with
Speaker 1: about fifty pounds of armor. But then it depends on
Speaker 1: which section of your armor you're trying to use. For Titan,
Speaker 1: you can't use a helmet out of it, so like
Speaker 1: either way you go, it's just a different level of fighting.
Speaker 1: So that being said, you started making armor to fight,
Speaker 1: and you had friends that were in SCA. Now when
Speaker 1: you started fighting, what style of medieval fighting was this?
Speaker 1: Was it long storre duels? Was it more of a
Speaker 1: mma style?
Speaker 2: Was shield?
Speaker 1: Sword and shield? Okay? Yes, and DC y'all never got
Speaker 1: down with axes or anything.
Speaker 2: Some of us did. Yeah, we we we mixed up
Speaker 2: the weapons a little bit. We did some some pull
Speaker 2: arm fighting and yeah, but it was primarily sordid shield.
Speaker 2: It was you know, uh, And and we developed our
Speaker 2: own fighting style very good.
Speaker 1: So the acts I have this is the ax I
Speaker 1: use on five on five meles. That's the sword that
Speaker 1: I use primarily for duels. That that's an ro a
Speaker 1: helm that is stainless that I have, and the brigandine
Speaker 1: behind it is actually titanium. I use that for mma fights.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The brigandine and the rest of the kit that I
Speaker 1: wear for like five on five melees. It's a little heavier,
Speaker 1: but it covers more you know, uh, more area for
Speaker 1: lack of better words. And it's uh, I think it's
Speaker 1: ten forty but yeah, so, and I'm actually saying you
Speaker 1: completely understand what I'm saying at this point, which is
Speaker 1: really rare to have a guest that gets it, but
Speaker 1: right now, very much, okay, yes, indeed, yeah.
Speaker 2: And my armor was originally mild steel and then I
Speaker 2: went to uh to carbon steel Okay, treated carbon steel,
Speaker 2: so I didn't have to worry too much about dents
Speaker 2: and things like that. And you can use you can
Speaker 2: use thinner metal. Most of my armor was like helmet
Speaker 2: and breastplate were fourteen gauge. Most everything else was sixteen
Speaker 2: gauge except for the gauntlet fingers that they were usually
Speaker 2: eighteen gauge.
Speaker 1: I wish I had finger gauntlets. I had the mits
Speaker 1: strictly because it's easier, but the finger gauntless. They looked
Speaker 1: so badass. I love them.
Speaker 2: Well, my gauntlets, like my armor was late fourteenth century, okay,
Speaker 2: so I had what we're referred to as the hourglass gauntlets. Yes,
Speaker 2: and so they were full fingers. One second, here, just
Speaker 2: let me grab this back here.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so my kid is twelfth to thirteenth century English.
Speaker 1: And that's the deal with Boohert. You have to use
Speaker 1: the weapons to the armor in region of the world
Speaker 1: that you are assigned, as far as your kit is concerned.
Speaker 1: So like if you're wearing a bar boot helmet must
Speaker 1: be Spanish styled. And some of the more creative and
Speaker 1: in my opinion, beautiful armors that are being fielded right
Speaker 1: now are the Samurai kits from Japan top to bottom
Speaker 1: steel Samurai kids, and they're able to use katanas. It's
Speaker 1: gorgeous but also so expensive.
Speaker 2: Good god, I've made I've made Japanese armor. Yes, man,
Speaker 2: these are from Paladin Press. They're defunct now, but back
Speaker 2: in the day I did a couple of videos for them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how to make a a medieval great helm for so cool?
Speaker 2: And then this video or the DVD, I guess how
Speaker 2: to make a pair of hour glass scauntlets. Let me
Speaker 2: pull it back so you can see the Yes, indeed,
Speaker 2: these are. These are step by step a d v D.
Speaker 2: You can take it into your shop. And there's another
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the name of the of
Speaker 2: the of the the company, but they they bought the
Speaker 2: rights for these both these videos from Paladin when Paladin dissolved.
Speaker 2: And they also come with patterns. Wow. So you you
Speaker 2: you get the you get the DVD and you get
Speaker 2: the patterns with it and you and you can walk
Speaker 2: through the DVD and you can make your own set
Speaker 2: of our glass scauntlets or a great help same thing.
Speaker 1: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: The the the initial idea was is we wanted to
Speaker 2: take you step by step through the construction of an
Speaker 2: entire suit of armor from the late fourteenth century. But
Speaker 2: unfortunately they didn't sell as well as Peladin wanted them to,
Speaker 2: so they cut them off after the to the.
Speaker 4: Two DVDs, I'm a step by step person that would
Speaker 4: help me.
Speaker 1: So little did they know there'd be such a market
Speaker 1: for it in this day and age, because the uh,
Speaker 1: the armored m m A community has actually taken off
Speaker 1: in pretty substantial ways, and now you have armor smiths
Speaker 1: all of the world. Like my helm was made in Ukraine,
Speaker 1: the chest was made in Russia, my arms and legs
Speaker 1: were made in India. I think my gauntlets and my
Speaker 1: sabotines are made in Mexico, and there's there's some pretty
Speaker 1: decent armor smiths in America, but it's not to the
Speaker 1: level of some of these guys that have had shops
Speaker 1: operating for decades doing the work.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, Well, I worked in the Glenbow Museum
Speaker 2: in Calgary here for eight years in the military history department,
Speaker 2: specifically with their arms and Armor Collection, which was the
Speaker 2: second largest collection in Canada.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so I learned an awful lot while I was there,
Speaker 2: and it really helped me to fine tune my armor
Speaker 2: because I would be working with the real thing all
Speaker 2: day long. Then I would go home and I would
Speaker 2: replicate what I had seen. Yeah, you know during the
Speaker 2: day while I was working with authentic armor. Not a
Speaker 2: lot of armorers have that opportunity, and so they can
Speaker 2: only take their their armor construction to a certain level
Speaker 2: and then they just don't get past that right. And
Speaker 2: you know, working with it daily really gave me, you know,
Speaker 2: an edge when it came to armor construction.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, I'm what a random chance meeting that one
Speaker 1: of our guests would be to this level of fandom
Speaker 1: and nerddom that I am also into. I love this.
Speaker 4: Do you show some of the pictures that you did.
Speaker 4: We've got to see them beforehand, but I would love
Speaker 4: for everybody to be able to see your actual suits
Speaker 4: that you've made.
Speaker 2: There, fantastic space program notes all spread out on my
Speaker 2: desk here.
Speaker 1: I promise we're going to get to the secret space programs.
Speaker 1: I promise. But also this is this is such a
Speaker 1: rare treat it really is.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's pretty cool though.
Speaker 4: So the one that you is in the museum is
Speaker 4: absolutely gorgeous. So yeah, I definitely wanted people to see it.
Speaker 1: And I also want to ask, because these pictures you're
Speaker 1: about to show you showed us a lot of brigandine
Speaker 1: that you made as far as your care asses were concerned,
Speaker 1: did you ever fight with full plate carasses?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yes.
Speaker 2: This is a transitional armor that I made.
Speaker 3: It's so cool.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Circa thirteen sixty.
Speaker 1: So you have chain mail going down to the elbows almost.
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 1: You have chain mail going down a good portion of
Speaker 1: the forearm actually, okay, so in my sport, chain mail
Speaker 1: is pretty much only allowed around the neck area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with this armor, historically they wouldn't normally have bombraces
Speaker 2: the plate arms. They would just have the mail shirt
Speaker 2: underneath the coat of plates and it would extend down
Speaker 2: to the gauntlets.
Speaker 1: Right. The only reason they don't let us use it
Speaker 1: is because after so many hits, your sword that is
Speaker 1: dull will develop somewhat of an edge from hitting chain
Speaker 1: mail NonStop. So they allow us to use it to
Speaker 1: to pretty much bridge the gap between the bottom of
Speaker 1: your helm to your neck and then you're supposed to
Speaker 1: wear a gorge. But I actually that roa helm I
Speaker 1: have has like extra plate packs built into the chain
Speaker 1: miil to where I don't have to wear gorge because
Speaker 1: my god, a metal collar sucks.
Speaker 2: But anyway, this is the armor that I fought in, yes,
Speaker 2: like thirteen eighty.
Speaker 1: Very good.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's probably you were amazing at this full plate armor.
Speaker 2: That is incredible. I don't know if you can see it,
Speaker 2: but I've got quilted padding underneath the avent tail, which
Speaker 2: is the mail that hangs from the bottom of the
Speaker 2: helmet yep, and so it's very it's very protective. I've
Speaker 2: taken hits.
Speaker 3: How much did you sell those for when you were
Speaker 3: creating them?
Speaker 1: Good question?
Speaker 2: Sorry, how much did.
Speaker 3: You sell them for when you were creating them?
Speaker 2: Oh? Well it depended. This particular armor I would sell
Speaker 2: for about twenty five thousand, Okay, not Canadian, but you've
Speaker 2: got to remember that it takes, you know, almost four
Speaker 2: months to produce, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't doubt that it was going to be
Speaker 4: somewhere in the twenties or fifties.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I tell people that are trying to get
Speaker 1: into the sport. I would tell them straight up, you're
Speaker 1: not getting out for less than six k, like realistically,
Speaker 1: just to get app to your kid put together and
Speaker 1: very loosely fitting and not very curtailed to you for
Speaker 1: that kind of a kid, that is very specifically made
Speaker 1: for one individual.
Speaker 2: So it's well, yeah, and I was a custom armorer,
Speaker 2: so you know, it wasn't I wasn't just kind of
Speaker 2: banging out stuff willy nilly. Someone would contact me and
Speaker 2: I would have to take measurements and castings in that
Speaker 2: and custom make that armor specifically for them so that
Speaker 2: it was it fit properly and they you know, they
Speaker 2: could move in it without any hindrance or anything like that.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, this might be a really dumb question, but
Speaker 4: what happens if people gain.
Speaker 1: Weight, like get new armor?
Speaker 3: Do you have to get okay?
Speaker 4: I was like, I didn't know if there was like
Speaker 4: any other way, like you know, maybe they could like
Speaker 4: add some pieces to it to help out.
Speaker 3: I've just always wondered that.
Speaker 1: And depends depending on the type of armor that you're
Speaker 1: talking about. However, So that cure ass has buckles and
Speaker 1: they do have a few holes, so you have a
Speaker 1: little bit of some leeway specifically what he means, and
Speaker 1: some like the full plate. There's some buckles on the
Speaker 1: side that you might be able to cheat a little bit,
Speaker 1: but we're talking very little bit of cheating here and there. Realistically,
Speaker 1: if you if you don't fight for six months to
Speaker 1: a year and gain thirty pounds and you either A
Speaker 1: you buy a new kit or B you hit the
Speaker 1: gym quick. It's yeah.
Speaker 2: This is the helmet of bail Wolf that I made
Speaker 2: for a customer.
Speaker 1: Oh that is a gorgeous Nordic nasal helm.
Speaker 4: For those of you that want to actually see what
Speaker 4: we're looking at, you need to hit Patreon and be
Speaker 4: able to.
Speaker 1: Watch you do. If you want to see what we
Speaker 1: were talking about, good cult members, these gorgeous armor that
Speaker 1: this gentleman is showing us, then you need to check
Speaker 1: I said at patreon dot com slash could conspiracy. It
Speaker 1: is the only place to have our videos and also
Speaker 1: get the commercial for absolutely. Oh man, this is awesome.
Speaker 3: I was paying attention to helmet. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: This is my great helm. Whoa, whoa, and you made
Speaker 2: the crest. It's it's all wood. The wings are our leathers.
Speaker 1: So this was for show, not for fighting obviously, right.
Speaker 2: No, No, I wouldn't fight in this, okay, events I would.
Speaker 2: I would set up a display kind of in front
Speaker 2: of my tent, and I would have my shield and
Speaker 2: I would have my helm and what else did I have?
Speaker 3: I know I would be in that. I would be
Speaker 3: in there in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: This okay, Here, I'll show you the Clifford armor. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So this is the Clifford armor.
Speaker 3: So that took you three years, she said, that's on.
Speaker 2: The fire over the fireplace in the Great Hall of
Speaker 2: the castle, Appleby Castle in Cumbria in England. And so,
Speaker 2: as I mentioned to you guys before, this is a
Speaker 2: three and a half year project.
Speaker 1: Who was the person who that armor was originally intended for?
Speaker 1: Historically speaking, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, George Clifford. He was Queen Elizabeth, the first champion yep, right,
Speaker 2: So he he had this armor made when she uh
Speaker 2: invested him with with being her champion.
Speaker 1: And so the coloration was from blueing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's heat, it's heat blued, and then it's etched
Speaker 2: acid etched. Yeah, and then all of that gold is
Speaker 2: thirteen care well no twenty three care gold Wow.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: So yeah, absolutely phenomenally gorgeous like that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an actual true calling on your life, sir.
Speaker 1: This is not a hobby.
Speaker 3: You were a true artist.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that. I appreciate I appreciate you saying
Speaker 2: that it was it was Yeah, it was a passion.
Speaker 2: I guess you could say it was a passion of mine.
Speaker 2: This is a helmet an mat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's also with gold and heat blueing. Correct, yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And everywhere you see the gold there's acid.
Speaker 4: You I don't know, I don't Yeah, this is not
Speaker 4: a hobby you were. You were absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of that particular set of armor so
Speaker 1: many times. Really, I I'd never in a million years
Speaker 1: thought that I would meet the armorer who actually made it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, these are the gauntlets.
Speaker 3: Oh man, this is so gorgeous. He's fan growing so
Speaker 3: hard right now.
Speaker 1: What a great episode. Cult members, listen, what an amazing.
Speaker 2: This is. This is a horse the only horse armor
Speaker 2: I ever made.
Speaker 1: Uh that was styled off of which year in country?
Speaker 2: If you're pancrats armor and the Wallace collection?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, did you ever make any winged Hussar armor
Speaker 1: in your time unfortunately. No, okay, okay, just asking. I've
Speaker 1: only seen two people fight with that kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Here's a pair of hour glass countlets that I made. Wow,
Speaker 2: with all of the fittings that Now, this, the original
Speaker 2: of this set of gauntlets is in uh. I think
Speaker 2: it's in the museum in Florence. Okay, So if you
Speaker 2: look closely, you can see the little the little acorns
Speaker 2: and things there. Yep, the original has those, so I've
Speaker 2: tried to copy it as faithfully as possible.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So I like your dedication to historic accuracy.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 3: That's so cool.
Speaker 1: You don't still do any kind of moonlight armorsmithing, do you, sir?
Speaker 2: No, Because what happened was was I injured my shoulder
Speaker 2: and I had surgery on my shoulder but it was
Speaker 2: not successful.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: Way that ended my armor making career. I had the
Speaker 2: same injury. Well, I also had tendonitis in my elbows, both.
Speaker 1: Elbows from the fighting, I take.
Speaker 2: It from the Yeah, founding forty years of pounding on
Speaker 2: an anvil. Rob Macpherson had the same injury, and so
Speaker 2: did Hugo Serrano. Yeah, and we talked. We talked about Now,
Speaker 2: Hugo was able to go back and continue. Rob wasn't.
Speaker 2: And but what he did was he had an armor
Speaker 2: that he was working on at the time of his injury,
Speaker 2: and he went back and finished it.
Speaker 1: Okay, where was Rob based out of? I remember hearing
Speaker 1: that name.
Speaker 2: You go.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still in the game anymore,
Speaker 1: but I've seen kids that he's put together. Where was
Speaker 1: Rob based out of?
Speaker 2: He was New York? Okay, new York state somewhere got
Speaker 2: you got you if I remember correctly. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: I think he's not making armor anymore. I was able
Speaker 2: to continue. I had surgery on both elbows and they
Speaker 2: were successful. So I was able to continue making armor
Speaker 2: until my shoulder injury, and then that just ended my
Speaker 2: armor making career. So that's now what I do is
Speaker 2: I write military science fiction. There you go, right, But yeah,
Speaker 2: so now I'm writing novels instead of making armor, although
Speaker 2: armor is still a passion of mine.
Speaker 1: Do you ever watch armored MMA fights or anything around
Speaker 1: the Blue hurt Field?
Speaker 2: No? Not really. No. This was a shield I made,
Speaker 2: was a copy of the shield of the Black Prince.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, again that's twenty.
Speaker 2: Three carrot gold on those on those leopards.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, man, so this he would die to have that.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is actually the shield that I
Speaker 1: use for my fighting. And uh yeah, so I'm actually
Speaker 1: long story short, I hold a knighthood, so I was
Speaker 1: able to put somewhat of a crest on it or
Speaker 1: you know, sigil of any means. But I'm actually soon
Speaker 1: getting my own maid and I'm going to be repainting
Speaker 1: the shield with my own family crest on it. But yes,
Speaker 1: I need to get.
Speaker 2: Style put my family crest on my shield.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, I mean why not, right, that's yeah.
Speaker 2: Here's a For a while I owned a horse.
Speaker 1: So did you get involved with jousting?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Never got into jousting.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: He became a hole in the ground that I that
Speaker 2: I pour money into. Yeah, because I was training him
Speaker 2: to be a war horse to fight and reenacting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that takes time and money. You ain't lying.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It turned out that my kids needed to go
Speaker 2: to college, so I had to go.
Speaker 3: Man, those kids, damn.
Speaker 2: Then it was very sad that day when I when
Speaker 2: I when they loaded him on the trailer and took
Speaker 2: them away.
Speaker 1: Wow. So when was your last fight. Sorry, when was
Speaker 1: your last fight in armor?
Speaker 2: Oh? Boy, let's see, that would have been twenty eighteen
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, so up until fairly recently you were still getting
Speaker 1: in there and getting some swings in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yes, indeed, So.
Speaker 1: You and your friends created your own league for fighting.
Speaker 1: You weren't a affiliated with Well, in America we have
Speaker 1: ACS and then there's the AWC, and there's a few
Speaker 1: other small groups that are trying to get more well
Speaker 1: recognized and anything like this. But y'all started your own.
Speaker 1: Was it a local thing or did y'all travel all
Speaker 1: over the country?
Speaker 2: No, it was it was local. We went to different events.
Speaker 2: We went to re enactment of the Battle of Hastings,
Speaker 2: very good in the original battlefield in two thousand.
Speaker 1: Wow, how many were out there for that? I remember
Speaker 1: hearing about the re enactment in two thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's they do it every five years or
Speaker 2: something like that. And we just happened to, you know,
Speaker 2: have the money right right and be available, and we
Speaker 2: put our kits together and they were real sticklers for
Speaker 2: for historical accuracy. I mean, we had to we had
Speaker 2: to find the right raw silk to make our tunics
Speaker 2: from and all that kind of stuff. But it was
Speaker 2: last It was thirteen hundred combatants on the field. Wow, huge,
Speaker 2: putting one hundred cavalry and unfortunate only I didn't. I
Speaker 2: bought my horse after that event, so I wasn't able
Speaker 2: to take a horse. I was in the I was
Speaker 2: in the infantry.
Speaker 4: But even the game, that's a massive, massive get together
Speaker 4: of everybody.
Speaker 1: Oh ye, that's a massive expenditure that many horses from
Speaker 1: all over the world that would have to fly in
Speaker 1: for that, because war horses are something that legit. You
Speaker 1: can't just take some horses, throw some ormro on them
Speaker 1: and be good for reenactment. The clanking of the metal
Speaker 1: scares the shit out of them. It's I know.
Speaker 4: I used to work with horses. I worked with Arabians yep,
Speaker 4: thirty seven of.
Speaker 3: Them and they are the most spinicky.
Speaker 4: Hot blood horses ever that like a tree will scare
Speaker 4: them literally.
Speaker 2: And my horse was a gelding, so he didn't. He wasn't,
Speaker 2: but he was a little more mild manner than the
Speaker 2: no stallion would be. But yeah, the problem is I
Speaker 2: know a couple of guys who bought horses and you know,
Speaker 2: they got so excited. They went in and put on
Speaker 2: their armor and then walked out and the horse just
Speaker 2: freaked out, just bolted to the far end of the
Speaker 2: the property. And it took took one guy had to
Speaker 2: sell his horse. He just couldn't get it acclimatized to
Speaker 2: armor and loud noises and that sort of thing. The
Speaker 2: other guy took him years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, specific horses are better with it than other types
Speaker 4: of horses. I'll say that there are certain times certain
Speaker 4: breeds that can handle going into war versus other kinds
Speaker 4: that are just not made for that at all.
Speaker 2: The horse was originally.
Speaker 3: Used for hunting, okay, so use a loud noises.
Speaker 2: Guys would go out and they would hunt, right. So
Speaker 2: it was used to yeah, the firearms. It was used
Speaker 2: to the you know, the blood and guts and all
Speaker 2: would just stand there and look at it kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So he was he was, Yeah, he was a good choice.
Speaker 2: He was a Clyde throwbread cross.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, Clydes are Clydes are fantastic for
Speaker 4: being calm. They're very calm horses to be able to handle.
Speaker 2: A lot of He didn't look like a Clyde though.
Speaker 2: That was a nice thing. He was eighteen hands tall.
Speaker 3: Oh he's a big boy, and he had.
Speaker 2: The thickest neck. Yeah, but he was, you know he was.
Speaker 2: I bought him because he looked like a war horse.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they're also there muscle density, they're strong
Speaker 1: and for carrying armor for a horse like it's you're
Speaker 1: gonna need that for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was. He was close to one thousand pounds
Speaker 2: when he galloped. The ground shook.
Speaker 3: It's a big boy. That's a big one. Yeah, that's crazy, man,
Speaker 3: I want to do this.
Speaker 4: See, I've actually looked into Okay, LARPing is not the same,
Speaker 4: but I've actually looked into LARPing for years down here
Speaker 4: in the South, and they don't really have like a
Speaker 4: strong group. It comes and goes, it fluctuates. I've kind
Speaker 4: of got up with people before and then it like
Speaker 4: fizzled out, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Just has a massive community of it. I will say
Speaker 1: that if you're willing to make road trips, Texas has
Speaker 1: a very.
Speaker 3: Large I love all of that though.
Speaker 4: I've always I mean, I like historical accuracy, but I
Speaker 4: also super into fantasy, so I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 4: probably would be out there as a wizard.
Speaker 2: You know that's that's what LARK is kind of all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's sort of the fantasy component, whereas there are other,
Speaker 2: you know, groups that focus more on historical historical accuracy.
Speaker 2: And that's the one thing about the Society for Creative Anachronism.
Speaker 2: I mean, they do have ah a historical component that
Speaker 2: you know, if if that's what you're into, you can
Speaker 2: hook up with them. And like at Estrella in in Arizona,
Speaker 2: you know, they they have a historical component, and I
Speaker 2: mean they do it to the nines.
Speaker 4: We actually were just in d C for the Marine
Speaker 4: Corps two and fiftieth birthday and there was a lot
Speaker 4: of people that were addressed in traditional Marine Corps attire
Speaker 4: from different different eras, and so we actually talked a
Speaker 4: good bit with them and seeing I was supposed to
Speaker 4: contact a couple of the women, but yeah, they were
Speaker 4: talking about where they are going in different events that
Speaker 4: they do pick your time your civil war, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me to have this beard, I would have
Speaker 1: to find something civil war or back because I'm not
Speaker 1: shaving my beard for a reenactment. I'm sorry to be
Speaker 1: five years to grow this, but you know, but we were.
Speaker 2: When we were at Hastings. There were guys that that
Speaker 2: shaved the back of their head because on the Bayou
Speaker 2: Tapestry you can see, uh, you know, men without without
Speaker 2: their helmets and that on, and they actually shaved the
Speaker 2: back of their heads. So there was a quite a
Speaker 2: number of guys that did that for the event.
Speaker 4: I am all for people that go hard with actually
Speaker 4: like getting things correct, but being extremely extra That is
Speaker 4: my type of people right there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well with with my novels I have because I
Speaker 2: never served in the military, and I'm a Canadian, I'm
Speaker 2: not an American, so my understanding of you know, the
Speaker 2: the United States military is limited, uh, And so what
Speaker 2: I what I do is I have several consultants. I
Speaker 2: have a retired Navy captain. I have an active duty
Speaker 2: Air Force colonel who was a group commander at at Bogram.
Speaker 2: And then I have I have a Marine Corps major.
Speaker 2: She's retired now, a lady wonderful, wonderfully and she's also
Speaker 2: involved in renaissance fair jousting. Nice.
Speaker 1: Leave it to the Marine female major. That's blood of
Speaker 1: our blood right there. I get it.
Speaker 2: But what they do, what they do is they they
Speaker 2: they review my my manuscripts and then they make corrections.
Speaker 2: Oh no, they wouldn't say it that way, or no,
Speaker 2: that's not proper protocol. So so they correct all of
Speaker 2: my mistakes and they're invaluable and they've all become very
Speaker 2: very good friends.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. I appreciate my Marine Corps majors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we get along fine, because of course she
Speaker 2: likes the medieval stuff too.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, you'll find that too. And especially in the
Speaker 1: Blue Hert community, it's so divided. There's very conservative minded
Speaker 1: people who are typically veterans, who are there for the violence,
Speaker 1: and then there is the super liberal groups that are
Speaker 1: there for the historical accuracies. And all of the outside
Speaker 1: ship goes away when the helmet goes down, and we're
Speaker 1: there for the same exact reason, and we're all gonna
Speaker 1: leave here in a lot of pain. We're all gonna
Speaker 1: share beers after this, and it's gonna be fun. That's yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: With with my fighting, because I was wearing full armor,
Speaker 2: I I didn't I didn't receive too many injuries, just
Speaker 2: the odd bruise here and there, what we used to
Speaker 2: call armor bites. Yeah, whereas sometimes your your armor, you
Speaker 2: know when you're when you're moving your arm or removing
Speaker 2: your leg or something. Uh, you just your your your
Speaker 2: flesh through the army doublet just happens to get get
Speaker 2: tweaked by a couple of plates that are coming together.
Speaker 2: And so that was the worst of it. Oh.
Speaker 1: We take injuries, man, a lot of bloat, broken collar bones,
Speaker 1: a lot of I even collapse. One of my teammates
Speaker 1: lungs with a long sword because this first time we're
Speaker 1: in that titanium brig and titanium gives a bit. We
Speaker 1: didn't know that, but we found out the hard way.
Speaker 1: A lot of broken fingers, concussions, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But the worst is whenever somebody will hit you in
Speaker 1: a gap and it's it's kind of a an understanding
Speaker 1: not to gap somebody, but accidents do happen from time
Speaker 1: to time, especially when you're in a five on five melee.
Speaker 1: You'll be clenched up with somebody going for a takedown.
Speaker 1: You got some old boy about to tee off on
Speaker 1: your spine from behind you, and it's you know, you're
Speaker 1: gonna leave here feeling like you got in a car wreck.
Speaker 1: That's that's an understanding.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, But you take it all in stride.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know there were when we were at
Speaker 2: Hastings there were a couple of guys that they had
Speaker 2: to call the ambulance for, yeah, the injury. But we
Speaker 2: were just wearing male homeworks and the Norman conical helmets.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so they were definitely getting hit.
Speaker 2: Well, we had the kite shields and so we you know,
Speaker 2: we were trained and sword and shield. So uh, you know,
Speaker 2: my group we were we were okay because you know,
Speaker 2: we knew, we knew, okay, that blow is coming. The
Speaker 2: shield goes between me and it, and I'm okay right
Speaker 2: right now. Every once in a while one will get through.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, we came away pretty much on skate.
Speaker 1: So well, that's good.
Speaker 2: It was. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, well, thank you for sharing with us. We really
Speaker 4: appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I know, so exciting right now.
Speaker 1: So how did you go from that type of a
Speaker 1: background into the writing of, like you said, military sci fi,
Speaker 1: give or take. How did that transition just happen? I
Speaker 1: understand at least the military mindset of it and some
Speaker 1: historical things. I get this, But when you get into
Speaker 1: the realm of military sci fi and then the secret
Speaker 1: space operations that have taken place. It seems like a
Speaker 1: bit of a drastic jump, sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right. I was working in the military
Speaker 2: history department at the Glenbolle Museum. I was working specifically
Speaker 2: with the medieval arms and armor, Renaissance arms and armor.
Speaker 2: But I mean the department contained you know, weapons, military
Speaker 2: weapons and that from as far back as well. We
Speaker 2: had had a bronze spearhead from the Bronze.
Speaker 5: Age wow, in the collection, all the way up to
Speaker 5: the modern age, you know, the Second World War, Korea
Speaker 5: and beyond.
Speaker 2: So I had access to all of that. I one
Speaker 2: of my responsibilities was to field strip and catalog all
Speaker 2: of the markings on the entire firearm collection. And there
Speaker 2: were six hundred firearms in that collection. So I became
Speaker 2: quite familiar with the weapons and the uniforms. But they
Speaker 2: were all Canadian, sure not.
Speaker 1: American has definitely gotten it in. They were well known
Speaker 1: for their war crimes in the Second World War. Everybody
Speaker 1: thinks the Canadians are the uber polite guys like, No,
Speaker 1: at one point in time, the Canadians were not about
Speaker 1: taking prisoners. We'll say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Germans didn't like us, No, they did not.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 2: So they they they called us what did they call us?
Speaker 2: They were the we were the men in skirts because
Speaker 2: you know we had the Highland Regiments with with the
Speaker 2: Kilts in that right. But but anyhow, I've always been
Speaker 2: I've always been fascinated with with UFOs and I've always
Speaker 2: loved science fiction. I can remember going to the library
Speaker 2: and even in elementary school and looking through the science
Speaker 2: fiction novels to see what I could find. I just
Speaker 2: I just it was something that just triggered me, like
Speaker 2: the medieval stuff. And so I started writing when I
Speaker 2: was in grade school, you know, short stories and things
Speaker 2: like that, and so I kind of had that background
Speaker 2: as well. And so what happened was there were a
Speaker 2: number of television programs where I started to hear about
Speaker 2: this secret space program and with my science fiction, my
Speaker 2: love of science fiction, that really piqued my interest. And
Speaker 2: then I have a friend in the US, a very
Speaker 2: close friend, and his dad worked for the Army back
Speaker 2: in the fifties and sixties, and I think he retired
Speaker 2: in the seventies and he was I guess the civilian
Speaker 2: version would be forensic accountant. This guy had taught top
Speaker 2: secret clearance. He could go on to any military US
Speaker 2: military base anywhere in the world, and he could walk
Speaker 2: in and he could open up their books and he could,
Speaker 2: you know, look at their look at their their spending
Speaker 2: or whatever. And so after he retired, he uh, he
Speaker 2: was he was talking to his boys one one summer's
Speaker 2: evening out on the porch. She had three sons, and
Speaker 2: I guess he'd had a few too many, and he
Speaker 2: started talking about these things that he had seen. And
Speaker 2: one of the things was they they And then remember
Speaker 2: this is in the mid nineteen sixties, right, and and
Speaker 2: he said that the army had developed what we would
Speaker 2: call shields, you know, like shields up mister Szulu kind
Speaker 2: of thing, right, And so they were testing it mid
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties. Okay, they were testing it. They hauled out
Speaker 2: a tank and they had a shield generator mounted on
Speaker 2: the back of the tank, and it was bigger than
Speaker 2: the engine on the tank, right, And they fired pretty
Speaker 2: much every conventional weapon they had at this think, and
Speaker 2: the shields defended the tank. Now, how do I know
Speaker 2: that he wasn't just pulling my leg Because of the details.
Speaker 2: The shield generator was larger than the engine in the tank.
Speaker 2: They couldn't figure out how to extend the shield underneath
Speaker 2: the tank, so a simple landline could take it out. Okay, right,
Speaker 2: so these are the details that you go, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: this story's probably legit.
Speaker 1: And when you also look at the technology of the
Speaker 1: day and age, I mean, a computer would have taken
Speaker 1: up the majority of a bit of a full room
Speaker 1: at that time. So when we're talking about a shield
Speaker 1: motor that large on the back of a tank, to
Speaker 1: the average person listening to this podcast, they might think
Speaker 1: that that's crazy, But you also have to take into
Speaker 1: account that day and age in that timeframe. What was
Speaker 1: the pinnacle of technology for humans at that point?
Speaker 2: Well, this is pre digital, this was analog, right, But
Speaker 2: the point I want to make with this is if
Speaker 2: you take that same shield generator and mount it in
Speaker 2: an aircraft, then you have a three hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: degree bubble of protection. And keep in mind this is
Speaker 2: mid nineteen sixties. Can you imagine what they have now.
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 3: What type of shield? What kind of like it? Was
Speaker 3: it metal? Was it a force field?
Speaker 2: It was a force field. It was electronic force field.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's so I just want to clarify.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and one of the other things is that
Speaker 2: told his boys, was they at the same time, well
Speaker 2: Captain Kirk was shooting his phaser on television. They had
Speaker 2: developed a handheld raygun and so you know, the same
Speaker 2: type of weapon that they were using in Star Trek.
Speaker 2: The only problem was that it was extremely expensive to
Speaker 2: produce something like a million dollars at the time, so
Speaker 2: they couldn't put it into production and into use. Right,
Speaker 2: But again I have to say, okay, that was in
Speaker 2: the mid nineteen sixties. What have they got now?
Speaker 1: Now with that? Let me ask you Operation star Wars
Speaker 1: that was spearheaded by Ronald Reagan. He was trying to
Speaker 1: get laser cannons put on satellites and he had to
Speaker 1: have his top scientists bring him to a room and say,
Speaker 1: mister President, we don't have that. He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we do. I know we do this and no, no, no, sir, Like,
Speaker 1: I understand what you're trying to get at, and it's
Speaker 1: a great idea. We don't actually have the technology to
Speaker 1: put a laser cannon on a satellite that can go
Speaker 1: from space to Earth at this time. We can work
Speaker 1: on it, but we don't currently have that tech. So
Speaker 1: I don't know what for instance, with the ray gun,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this was a laser, if this
Speaker 1: was like a rail gun situation, was it an energy
Speaker 1: bolt or what the projectile.
Speaker 2: Was it was a directed energy weapon. Okay, but you
Speaker 2: see the thing is is I've I've found information from
Speaker 2: several whistleblowers that claimed that that the Space Defense Initiative,
Speaker 2: the SDI, was actually a smoke screen.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I could believe this to be honest with Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that what they were what you know, they were saying, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: we want to build this, but you know, we don't
Speaker 2: have the technology. All that kind of thing. It was.
Speaker 2: It was misdirection. It was getting them to look over here,
Speaker 2: well they were doing something else over.
Speaker 1: There, which during the Reagan administration makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: I mean you look at what happened with the uh
Speaker 1: Iranian contra situation. He was all about like, hey, I
Speaker 1: need you to look over in this direction, not pay
Speaker 1: attention to these things that are going on over here
Speaker 1: that I totally have my hand in. It's so if
Speaker 1: that was being used as smoke screen to make people
Speaker 1: look over at the satellite laser cannon conversation rather than
Speaker 1: what the actually were working on it Area fifty one
Speaker 1: or at sector four, whatever the case was. That makes
Speaker 1: perfect sense to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so moving on. That was one thing that
Speaker 2: kind of tweaked my interest in this whole secret space
Speaker 2: program concept. And then there were a couple of television
Speaker 2: programs where they actually talked specifically about the secret Space program,
Speaker 2: and of course my friend's dad his stories kind of
Speaker 2: gave the whole idea legs. But I think the seminal
Speaker 2: one was Hangar Won the UFO Files, where they had
Speaker 2: an episode that was specifically about the Secret Space Program
Speaker 2: and it was about an organization called Solar Warden and
Speaker 2: it also dealt with the TR three B, the Flying Triangle.
Speaker 2: And so I watched that program and I thought, you
Speaker 2: know what, that would make a really cool story. And
Speaker 2: I had written the novel previously. It was an adventure
Speaker 2: novel about a Viking settlement that survives undetected to the
Speaker 2: twentieth century. It's cool.
Speaker 4: You got me at Viking Settlement. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: now I'm reading this. So I'm a huge reader. I'm
Speaker 4: I read like, yeah, I read probably about one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty books a year at least. I'm a huge reader.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you got me right away with that. Okay,
Speaker 4: the snow Warden, that's the program in the nineteen nineties, correct,
Speaker 4: where they were like monitoring incoming and outgoing alien messages.
Speaker 3: Is that that not so much messages, but for traffic, yeah,
Speaker 3: traffic traffic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, specifically it said monitoring alien traffic in the
Speaker 4: Solar system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, that's and I took that idea and
Speaker 2: ran with it. And I've written four novels in the series.
Speaker 2: It's a sixth novel series, okay, and I'm just about
Speaker 2: finished novel number five, but I've published. I published the
Speaker 2: first four novels in that series, and so that was
Speaker 2: that was kind of the Yeah, that was sort of
Speaker 2: how I got into it. It was Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: just to me, it was just fascinating combining the military
Speaker 2: aspects that i'd you know, i'd been dealing with, you know,
Speaker 2: working at the museum and that kind of thing. And
Speaker 2: and I had friends who were in the military. My
Speaker 2: my brother in law was in the Canadian military. He's
Speaker 2: actually the first Canadian serviceman to receive both the Medal
Speaker 2: of Valor and the Star of Courage. So he was yeah,
Speaker 2: he was a a military hero.
Speaker 1: Where was he deployed these he was?
Speaker 2: He was deployed in Cyprus when when Turkey took over
Speaker 2: the island, he was also in Where else was he?
Speaker 2: I think he was in the Middle East, but I'm
Speaker 2: not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the timeframe at which he
Speaker 1: would have been serving. He's around your age. I was
Speaker 1: he in the Falklands? Like, where are we talking about here?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he was in the Falklands, because
Speaker 2: I don't think Canada was deployed in the Falklands. I
Speaker 2: think that was strictly Great Britain.
Speaker 1: But when it talks about the British Commonwealth, I really
Speaker 1: don't know where this group gets pulled from and this
Speaker 1: group gets brought in and all these things. A lot
Speaker 1: of time it blends, and then a lot of times
Speaker 1: they're completely separate conversations. I honestly don't know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, England doesn't. Well, I mean during the Second
Speaker 2: World War, you know, we joined the Allied war effort.
Speaker 2: We were actually the Americans, the French and the British
Speaker 2: couldn't take vimy Rich yep. In the Second World War,
Speaker 2: the Canadians took it.
Speaker 1: YEP.
Speaker 2: We developed what was known as the creeping Barrage, and
Speaker 2: that's how we were able to take it. What it
Speaker 2: is is you have artillery fire, but instead of just
Speaker 2: firing out a target, once you stop firing, then all
Speaker 2: of the Germans can come out of their their tunnels
Speaker 2: and everything, and they can they can defend their position again.
Speaker 2: And that was the problem. We had to keep them
Speaker 2: down in their tunnels where they couldn't come out and
Speaker 2: and uh and and engage the the you know, the
Speaker 2: the the Allies as they were as they were advancing.
Speaker 2: So what we did was we developed the creeping barrage.
Speaker 2: And what that was was we would uh, we would
Speaker 2: fire artillery at a certain point, and then we would
Speaker 2: we would fire a second barrage that was further on,
Speaker 2: and then we would fire another barrage that was further on.
Speaker 2: And so it was it was slowly moving towards the
Speaker 2: position of the Germans on the top of the ridge,
Speaker 2: and our soldiers were were positioned behind that barrage, so
Speaker 2: they were advancing as the artillery was advancing, so that
Speaker 2: by the time they stopped the artillery fire, the soldiers
Speaker 2: were already at the ridge. So when the when the
Speaker 2: Germans came out of their tunnels. The Canadians were standing
Speaker 2: there with their firearms going okay, hands up, yeah, And
Speaker 2: that was how they took That was how they took
Speaker 2: Vimy Ridge.
Speaker 1: And so to us that might seem like a no a,
Speaker 1: no brains idea as far as attactic goes. Obviously that's
Speaker 1: a smart idea. But keep in mind in World War two,
Speaker 1: the most recent grand scheme of shit was World War One,
Speaker 1: where chemical warfare and trench warfare was being used. So
Speaker 1: the barrage followed by the infantry that was right behind it,
Speaker 1: that concept really hadn't made its way to the global
Speaker 1: battlefield like that.
Speaker 2: Since I have to I have to stand corrected because
Speaker 2: Vimmy Ridge was in World War One, not World War Two.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, I got ja, I got you, I got
Speaker 1: a mistake.
Speaker 2: My boss at the museum would roll over in his grave.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I don't know history that well when
Speaker 3: it comes to every war.
Speaker 1: So I mean even still, though you look at the
Speaker 1: style of combat worldwide from the beginning of the nineteen
Speaker 1: hundreds until World War One, there was a massive shift
Speaker 1: that took place. I mean, yeah, you still had force
Speaker 1: is being used. Don't get me wrong. But tank warfare
Speaker 1: was first introduced in World War One. World War II
Speaker 1: would not have happened without tank warfare. So the drastic
Speaker 1: shifts that took place any very short condensed amount of time,
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people don't really like
Speaker 1: let that concept sink in. We went from using essentially
Speaker 1: glorified gliders with lawnmar mowers on the front of them.
Speaker 1: We would call those biplanes with these pilots shooting very
Speaker 1: rudimentary weapons at each other, to fighter pilots and bombing
Speaker 1: runs and all these things. It was a drastic shift
Speaker 1: in the short condensed timeframe of give or take thirty years,
Speaker 1: and on a global scale like that. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of tactics that had never been thought of before
Speaker 1: because they didn't have the ability to think like that
Speaker 1: up until that point. So, yeah, it was mind blowing shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean at the beginning of the First World
Speaker 2: War they were dropping rocks from their planes. Right at
Speaker 2: the end of the war, they had machine guns mounted
Speaker 2: that were timed with the propeller so that they wouldn't
Speaker 2: shoot them propeller.
Speaker 4: It's crazy how fast people can invent things, especially in more.
Speaker 1: The first dog fights I read about was these dudes
Speaker 1: and biplanes with pistols and they were flying by each other,
Speaker 1: shooting at each other with handguns essentially. And it's like
Speaker 1: in the twenty years we went from that to timed
Speaker 1: machine guns. Mind blowing.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: So your four books, they are all is there what
Speaker 4: kind of So they're all talking about the secret the
Speaker 4: secret space programs, Like what else? Like, is there like
Speaker 4: an entire story that happens, is there? Like, can you
Speaker 4: explain a little bit more about the books?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it's just it's about the secret space program
Speaker 2: called Solar Warden and they're organized to defend Earth from
Speaker 2: a malevolent et enemy that is bent on enslaving and
Speaker 2: destroying the Earth. The thing is is that you have
Speaker 2: two you have two camps, if you will, within the
Speaker 2: UFO community. One camp says that there are space brothers
Speaker 2: and they're here to help us, right, And there's a
Speaker 2: growing camp that is saying, you know, based on the evidence,
Speaker 2: they're not our friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've run into that a few times with some
Speaker 1: guests we've had on the show. It is a very
Speaker 1: polar opposite. Some believe that we've been contacted by essentially
Speaker 1: space hippies and that they're here to elevate mankind and
Speaker 1: give us enlightenment and help us grow the rest of
Speaker 1: us us both included think that this is more like
Speaker 1: the conquistadores that first made contact with the Aztecs. They're
Speaker 1: not here for brotherly love. They're not going to make
Speaker 1: contact unless they're here for a purpose, whether that's resources
Speaker 1: of many many types or conquests of some type. Like
Speaker 1: just and I understand, I'm looking at this through a
Speaker 1: human lens, and maybe I don't understand the mindset and
Speaker 1: the heart and soul of an Et, but just going
Speaker 1: off of historical precedence here makes way more sense that
Speaker 1: they would be here for sort of conquest rather than
Speaker 1: for sharing and aiding. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, when you write a novel, you've got
Speaker 2: to have conflict. Yeah, I mean, you know, in order
Speaker 2: to write a good story, there's got to be conflict.
Speaker 2: And basically there's there's literally got to be conflict on
Speaker 2: every page. And so you know, the thing is is, Okay,
Speaker 2: you have the good guys solar Warden in my novels,
Speaker 2: and you have the bad guys who are the extraterrestrials,
Speaker 2: and they come into it. They come in different species.
Speaker 2: There's the grays, and there's the reptilians, and then there's
Speaker 2: what I refer to as the others who are basically
Speaker 2: in charge. And there's also a growing consensus amongst very
Speaker 2: serious UFO researchers that these are not aliens from another
Speaker 2: star system. They're interdimensional, and they even go to the
Speaker 2: point where they say they're spiritual.
Speaker 1: We've heard and I was going to ask you what
Speaker 1: your personal belief is on this, because when we talk
Speaker 1: about the extraterrestrial, and I use that term as loosely
Speaker 1: with quotations as I can, I feel like, personally there's
Speaker 1: multiple things happening at the same time. But you'll have
Speaker 1: people like Tucker Carlson, who believes that when we see
Speaker 1: UFOs it's obviously angels and demons. Then you'll have people
Speaker 1: that believe that these are actually far off from the
Speaker 1: future humans that look different because of evolution and they've
Speaker 1: made time jumps back. I am of the belief personally
Speaker 1: that it may be life from other planets or solar
Speaker 1: systems or even galaxies, and they may use interdimensional travel
Speaker 1: as basically the same way we use an interstate right
Speaker 1: just to get from point A to point B. But
Speaker 1: then I also do believe that there are angels and
Speaker 1: demons happening at the same time. I don't believe that
Speaker 1: the God that I worship has things oh so perfectly
Speaker 1: in a neat little box. I think there's multiple levels
Speaker 1: to these things that humans don't understand. So with this
Speaker 1: being said, and you're bringing up other species, where are
Speaker 1: you at just you personally as far as this alien
Speaker 1: and spiritual and time, all of that goes.
Speaker 2: Well, I in my novels. I'll preface by saying this.
Speaker 2: In my novels, I have the Grays, I have the
Speaker 2: Reptilians their physical beings, right, Okay, the UFOs, the flying
Speaker 2: saucers are actual physical craft. But what they are is
Speaker 2: their tools being used by the others who are the
Speaker 2: interdimensional spiritual beings, and so they you know, what they're
Speaker 2: doing is it's all about deception. Okay, that's the thing, right,
Speaker 2: It's all about deception. So what they're trying to do
Speaker 2: is they're trying to convince humanity that these are aliens
Speaker 2: from another star system, when really they're not. I've got
Speaker 2: some research that says that the Grays are actually biological robots,
Speaker 2: and this is This is not in my book. This
Speaker 2: is this is from the research that I have done
Speaker 2: into the UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 1: I've heard this before, so this is this is not
Speaker 1: new to me, but I am curious to what level
Speaker 1: this goes for you and who is controlling these robots.
Speaker 4: Well, I've actually never heard this, so if you could
Speaker 4: break it down for me, that'd be awesome because I've
Speaker 4: actually never heard this before. So I'm kind of I'm
Speaker 4: the lost in the dark, so maybe somebody else might
Speaker 4: not know it either.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, they're they're being they're being controlled, They're they're
Speaker 2: being used as tools to to to interact with humanity,
Speaker 2: especially in the alien abduction phenomenon, where people are being
Speaker 2: taken against their will and they're taking they're literally taken
Speaker 2: aboard these flying saucers that are real physical craft and
Speaker 2: they're experimented on.
Speaker 1: Now, when you say biological robots, are we talking something
Speaker 1: akin to the Terminator movies where it's a living tissue
Speaker 1: on top of a cybernetic skeleton.
Speaker 2: No, the whole the whole thing is is biological.
Speaker 1: So it's a drone essentially, it's a living.
Speaker 2: Created it's it's a it's a manufactured being has limited intelligence,
Speaker 2: doesn't have a soul, if you will, and it's just
Speaker 2: it's basically a tool. And the reptilians are they're they're
Speaker 2: they're more advanced, if you will, biologically, they're not biological robots,
Speaker 2: and they control the grays. And but then there's this
Speaker 2: this this paranormal element, this supernatural element, if you will,
Speaker 2: that are the others, and they're the interdimensional beings. And
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of what I've discovered, to
Speaker 2: my surprise, is that a lot of UFO researchers, and
Speaker 2: these are serious guys, these are not flakes, but they've
Speaker 2: come to believe that these beings are actually demonic. And
Speaker 2: that's their.
Speaker 1: Word, not mine, right, Okay.
Speaker 2: People like Jay Allen Heinek and Jacques Valat and John Keel,
Speaker 2: Catherine Austin Fitz from the Solari Report, they all believe
Speaker 2: that these beings are are demonic. Just complain and simple.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about the beings that are controlling the reptilians,
Speaker 1: that are controlling the greats. That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: In dimensional ones, Okay.
Speaker 2: And so I take that element and I incorporated into
Speaker 2: my my novels and I have those different layers of
Speaker 2: of entities, if you will. And so they're again they're
Speaker 2: their motives, like you say, the conquistadors, their motives are
Speaker 2: not good. They're here to manipulate us and to use us.
Speaker 2: Some of the research I've done, and they say that
Speaker 2: they just want to use the Earth as a as
Speaker 2: a giant resource and just strip mine humanity, strip mine
Speaker 2: of planet, and just take it all for their own use.
Speaker 1: And that that also leads to so many other hypothetical conversations. Right,
Speaker 1: what is the resource that they need? Right, depending on
Speaker 1: which type of sci fi you're into, Maybe it's water,
Speaker 1: Maybe it is in fact gold, Maybe it's coal or
Speaker 1: something of a strictly energy level, like something that's not
Speaker 1: exactly tangible, but something that you can still extrapolate and
Speaker 1: still use. It's there are so many possibilities as to
Speaker 1: what they would be here to grab or garner, and
Speaker 1: what they may be using humans as slave labor to
Speaker 1: create for them or mind for them, or whatever the
Speaker 1: case is.
Speaker 2: Yes, or they're they're taking DNA from humans to create
Speaker 2: a hybrid race.
Speaker 3: Now them, Yeah, I've heard I've heard this before.
Speaker 4: I was sitting here thinking about that movie. I can't
Speaker 4: think of me, think of what it's called. But pretty
Speaker 4: much there these little aliens with no joke like this big.
Speaker 4: They're little. They look like parasites, and in the movie
Speaker 4: they need human hosts, they need bodies to be able
Speaker 4: to vive, and so that's what they do is they
Speaker 4: end up going in and you'll see them in the
Speaker 4: back of their spinal cord. And that's I forget what
Speaker 4: the movie is called.
Speaker 1: Not Andromeda, that was more of a sickness.
Speaker 2: It was a television program called Stargate SG one.
Speaker 4: I know that, Yeah, there's I like starget Stargate's always
Speaker 4: been one of my favorite movies growing up with Kurt Russell,
Speaker 4: Like that's one of my favorite of you know, finding
Speaker 4: new planet and going there and all that. So I
Speaker 4: always thought the Pyramids, even from a kid, I was
Speaker 4: like the Pyramids and that's where the aliens are at.
Speaker 3: I was like, I know, that's where they're at.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, I really liked Star the Stargate movie, and
Speaker 2: I watched the Stargate TV show, the Stargate SG one.
Speaker 3: I watched that they had.
Speaker 2: The looked like a little snake that would go up
Speaker 2: through through the back of your neck and and basically
Speaker 2: possess you, Yes, and it would control the human hosts.
Speaker 2: The human hosts no longer had any control over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're parasitic for herself. There's a there's a movie.
Speaker 4: There's a few movies like that that talk about that
Speaker 4: in different forms where they're a parasite essentially, And they
Speaker 4: came here and they have been collecting people, and they
Speaker 4: want to collect more people because they're dying race pretty much,
Speaker 4: and so they need human bodies. And I've heard the
Speaker 4: theory that a lot of the where the kids are
Speaker 4: going or where all these people are disappearing to is
Speaker 4: actually being taken for this purpose of some type, breeding them,
Speaker 4: experimenting on them, using them, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: As far as the alien human hybrid is concerned. There
Speaker 1: have been even religions that have been based off of this.
Speaker 1: If you've ever heard of the Nation of Islam or
Speaker 1: the Black Moorish Science Temple, they believe that black people
Speaker 1: were the original humans that inhabited the Earth from the
Speaker 1: Moon three trillion years ago, and through a series of
Speaker 1: forced breeding over six hundred years on the island of Patmos,
Speaker 1: this alien named Yakub Yes they do mean Jacob from
Speaker 1: the Bible but that's how they pronounce it, created white
Speaker 1: peace as a way to destroy the black race. And
Speaker 1: it's all about the alien human hybrid in their actual
Speaker 1: religious doctrine. That'd be Lewis farr Khan or what was
Speaker 1: the one before him? Oh shit, the one Muhammad Ali
Speaker 1: just loved dearly. It's they're fucking psychos, honestly, but you
Speaker 1: know whatever. But yeah, the whole alien human hybrids that
Speaker 1: are being used for some sort of a greater nefarious purpose.
Speaker 1: There's even religions that have been based off of this theory.
Speaker 1: It's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't subscribe to that same. So there
Speaker 2: is this this book is called Walking among Us and
Speaker 2: it's written by doctor David Jacobs. He's a PhD and
Speaker 2: he's an alien abduction researcher, and he he puts forth
Speaker 2: this idea that the aliens are here and they're trying
Speaker 2: to create an alien human hybrid to take over the world,
Speaker 2: kind of like Day of the Triffids. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you ever read that book or saw the movie
Speaker 2: where these aliens come and they take over a human
Speaker 2: body and they converted into it still looks like a human,
Speaker 2: but it's now an alien. So they have the they
Speaker 2: have the cocoon, right, so they invade the body and
Speaker 2: then it gets caught up in a cocoon and then
Speaker 2: it converts to the alien who looks like the human,
Speaker 2: but it's no longer the human, it's the alien. But anyhow,
Speaker 2: so he David Jacobs talks about this whole concept of
Speaker 2: alien hybridization with humans. Now, the only problem is is
Speaker 2: you've got to manipulate the DNA so the two are compatible.
Speaker 2: And that's where the alien abductions and the medical examinations
Speaker 2: and all that kind of thing come into play. And
Speaker 2: so I use that to a certain to a certain
Speaker 2: degree within my novels. And actually book five is all
Speaker 2: about that, you know that you mentioned about, you know,
Speaker 2: people disappearing and not coming back in that and uh
Speaker 2: and using humans to extract their DNA and and actually
Speaker 2: create this hybrid race which in my novels, and this
Speaker 2: is a spoiler alert, I'll only mentioned this one, they're
Speaker 2: they're creating a race of super soldiers in order to
Speaker 2: invade Earth and conquer it.
Speaker 1: Well, DARPA was kind of working on that right now.
Speaker 1: Actually say, this isn't that much of a sci fi
Speaker 1: conversation In World.
Speaker 2: War two, the Nazis were trying to combine humans and
Speaker 2: guerrillas to create a super soldier. Yeah, Captain America is
Speaker 2: all about being, you know, a super sold Everybody's been
Speaker 2: trying to build a super soldier for a long long time.
Speaker 4: I wonder if it's a race against races pretty much
Speaker 4: like you know, they know that we're in we're in
Speaker 4: the race against the aliens, so they're trying to make
Speaker 4: us better, improve before it all pops off.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at that and the fact that
Speaker 1: Trump made the Space Force, we actually have an entire
Speaker 1: division of the military dedicated to space defense. I know
Speaker 1: that people might look at that like it's a big joke,
Speaker 1: and I understand. I really agree.
Speaker 4: They did that though, and made it made it known
Speaker 4: globally that this is an actual thing. I think it's
Speaker 4: just gearing us up for what's to come.
Speaker 1: And even like the DNA splicing and things that seems
Speaker 1: like high or sci fi until crisper technology became so
Speaker 1: widely known about like it is today. So what seemed
Speaker 1: like crazy, you know, mad scientists, eugenics kind of conversation
Speaker 1: thirty years ago is now what some people are using
Speaker 1: to decide what color eyes their child will have.
Speaker 2: It's insane, yeah, yeah, And it's advancing so quickly that
Speaker 2: it's it's you know, you've got to have to catch
Speaker 2: your breath to keep up with it. But you see
Speaker 2: these elements I've incorporated into my novel. And the interesting
Speaker 2: thing is that, like I started writing in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: so I've been researching this UFO topic for you know,
Speaker 2: for my books for ten years. But I also, you know,
Speaker 2: was looking into it earlier to a certain degree, but
Speaker 2: not as extensively as I have in the past ten years.
Speaker 2: But in the research that I have done for my novels,
Speaker 2: I've come to the conclusion that the secret space program
Speaker 2: is real, that Solar Warden is up there. What they're doing,
Speaker 2: I don't know. There are indicators that they are fighting
Speaker 2: an alien enemy.
Speaker 1: So now let me ask you what are these indicators.
Speaker 2: Well, just the research that I've done, whistleblowers, different things
Speaker 2: that I've come a cross in my research points to
Speaker 2: the fact that, yeah, this is legitimate, this is actually
Speaker 2: going on in so I mean, I write fiction, but
Speaker 2: it's based on what I think is reality.
Speaker 4: There you have it, and the Solar Warden has two fleets,
Speaker 4: correct when I was looking into it said it had
Speaker 4: two fleets, military Offense and Defense Fleet and the Scientific
Speaker 4: R and D fleet.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the R and D actually stood
Speaker 3: for Research and.
Speaker 4: Developments, Okay, I just didn't know because I was like
Speaker 4: I was, I was like, wait, what, But it has
Speaker 4: two fleets and that they're currently in two different locations.
Speaker 3: Is that correct?
Speaker 4: Like there's some like in in space actually and then
Speaker 4: some down here as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah. From my research, it points to the fact that
Speaker 2: they have a base on the Moon called Lunar Operations Command, Okay,
Speaker 2: and then they also have a base on Mars.
Speaker 1: When you say they, do you mean just the Earth's
Speaker 1: elites or do you mean specifically the United States?
Speaker 2: So Warden, I, in my research, I found indications that
Speaker 2: they had approached the United Nations and they received a
Speaker 2: charter from the United Nations which allowed them. Initially it
Speaker 2: was just the United States. But when you talk about
Speaker 2: a space carrier that's three thousand feet long and has
Speaker 2: faster than light capabilities, has directed energy and particle beam weapons,
Speaker 2: not to mention missiles, and a full squadron of tactical
Speaker 2: reconnaissance fighters that are also capable of faster than light travel.
Speaker 2: That's a really big bill. We're talking, you knowllions, trillions
Speaker 2: of dollars. Yeah, like everybody knows where they were nine
Speaker 2: to eleven. Where were you the night before? Because the
Speaker 2: night before Donald Rumsfeldt, who at the time was a
Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense, on September ten, he announced that there
Speaker 2: was a two point three trillion dollar amount that was
Speaker 2: missing the apartment the Department of Defense. Okay, Now, in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, Catherine Austin Fitz discovered that there was twenty
Speaker 2: one trillion dollars missing, and her response was did they
Speaker 2: buy the moon? Like? Where did all that money go?
Speaker 3: So they're on the dark side of the moon.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if you have a fleet of ten
Speaker 2: or twelve or fifteen space carriers with a squadron of
Speaker 2: thirty plus tactical fighters that are spacecraft, yeah, it's easy
Speaker 2: to understand where that twenty one trillion went. Plus bases
Speaker 2: on the Moon, bases on Mars. You have a facility
Speaker 2: at Area fifty one and S four. There's another facility
Speaker 2: at Dougway. There's a there's a facility at what's it called.
Speaker 2: It's it's in Utah where all of the manufacturing happens.
Speaker 2: And so you know, you have you have like tens
Speaker 2: of thousands of personnel that are operating these you know,
Speaker 2: and and building and designing and and you know maintenance.
Speaker 2: I mean, my my Navy captain, he served in the
Speaker 2: Submarine Corps. He served on an Ocio class submarine, which
Speaker 2: is a ballistic missile submarine, and he was he was
Speaker 2: a nuclear expert, and we talked about this. He says,
Speaker 2: you know, he says, they spend probably ten hours import
Speaker 2: under maintenance for every one hour there at sea. So
Speaker 2: just trying to keep the thing going is an extremely
Speaker 2: large expense. And that's why you know, they have these bases.
Speaker 2: They don't have to bring them all the way back
Speaker 2: to Earth. There's also I've got this one Paula Harris,
Speaker 2: she wrote a book about these deep space platforms, which
Speaker 2: are giant space stations. Ye and those those would be
Speaker 2: used again. You know, you don't want to have to
Speaker 2: travel all the way back to Earth for maintenance. You
Speaker 2: just stop off at one of these deep space platforms
Speaker 2: and they have the facilities to be able to maintain
Speaker 2: your ship. And that's the thing that a lot of
Speaker 2: people don't understand, you know, when they're when they're writing
Speaker 2: things like science fiction, and even when they're writing, you know,
Speaker 2: any kind of military novel, especially you know, the Navy
Speaker 2: or whatever. It's the same with your aircraft. You spend
Speaker 2: more time on the ground than you do in the
Speaker 2: air because you have to maintain this thing. Stuff goes wrong.
Speaker 2: And if you have a space carrier that's as sophisticated
Speaker 2: as the ones that Solar Warden has, well, i'll tell
Speaker 2: you one little thing goes wrong and that thing drops
Speaker 2: out of FTL and it's like, okay, we're stuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah you got you know, I mean, oh, to that point,
Speaker 1: I had a captain, a naval captain who started off
Speaker 1: as a pilot, and he had one forced ejection happened
Speaker 1: his jet was going down. When they did the essentially
Speaker 1: an autopsy on the jet to see what went wrong,
Speaker 1: there was one bolt that was not tightened an eighth
Speaker 1: of an inch to enough. If it was an eighth
Speaker 1: of an inch more, everything would have been fined. That
Speaker 1: one bolt because it wasn't tightened that much, jiggled loose
Speaker 1: everything else, and his plane went down. He was forced
Speaker 1: to eject. So when we're talking about that same scale
Speaker 1: that was on Earth, right that was something very small
Speaker 1: scale and it wasn't like that was a fighter jet
Speaker 1: in combat. He was on a training routine, training operation.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to talk about what that looks like
Speaker 1: in space. If one thing is one iota out of place,
Speaker 1: if one gram of weight wasn't properly accounted for it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so much more to scale and scope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to have redundant systems. You've got to
Speaker 2: have a really really sophisticated computer system that incorporates AI.
Speaker 2: I have an AI in my in my fighters who
Speaker 2: are their tr three b's are the Black Triangles. Those
Speaker 2: are my fighters in my novels, and they have an
Speaker 2: AI computer system on board that I call bird Brain.
Speaker 2: And because pilots call their their aircraft or their spacecraft
Speaker 2: a bird, right, And so they don't like it because
Speaker 2: because this AI system can can literally take over the
Speaker 2: spacecraft and fly it. It. It can it can conduct
Speaker 2: repair operations, uh, you know, in flight during the combat situation.
Speaker 2: So it's a very sophisticated computer system. But you have
Speaker 2: to have that in a spacecraft. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: we look at at the Apollo program and they're flying
Speaker 2: these tin cans to the moon, and back. It was
Speaker 2: all analog. They were using slide rules. I was going
Speaker 2: to ask where there's more, there's more technology in your eye,
Speaker 2: and then there was in the Apollo spacecraft. And so
Speaker 2: the problem was they were terrified. Well, I mean, look
Speaker 2: at Apaulo thirteen. Look at what happened, right, And they
Speaker 2: barely got those guys back home.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So you know, one of the points that I make
Speaker 2: in my first novel is the admiral or the captain
Speaker 2: of the space carrier that my protagonist is he's going
Speaker 2: to join the group. And one of the points that
Speaker 2: the captain makes he says, you cannot take in space.
Speaker 2: You cannot take anything for granted, not even the air
Speaker 2: that you breathe.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, let me ask you this, that first moon landing.
Speaker 1: Are you of the opinion that that actually took place
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine or that that was a complete
Speaker 1: fabrication in a studio somewhere.
Speaker 2: It happened, Okay, it literally happened. And I can go
Speaker 2: through it and I can prove to you beyond a
Speaker 2: shadow of a doubt that we landed on the moon. Okay,
Speaker 2: And all you got to do is go go find
Speaker 2: go on YouTube and find MythBusters and find the episode
Speaker 2: that they did on the moon landings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they shot the laser of the moon.
Speaker 2: They think or whether it was it was real. They
Speaker 2: go through and they and they like the major arguments
Speaker 2: that the dissenters make, they take every single one and
Speaker 2: they disprove them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just that alone. I've always been of the belief
Speaker 1: that that first landing probably wasn't real, and it was
Speaker 1: to bankrupt the Soviet Union, all of these things. But
Speaker 1: I am of the belief that yes, we as Americans
Speaker 1: have made it to the Moon multiple times, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of evidence to suggest that we have. Now. Also,
Speaker 1: you brought up a lunar base that is currently operating. Now.
Speaker 1: Is this sci fi? Or is this what you have
Speaker 1: been led to believe is an actual thing right now?
Speaker 2: No? I think I think it's true. I think there's
Speaker 2: an actual base there on the far side of the Moon.
Speaker 2: You heard of Project Horizon, I have, Okay, for.
Speaker 1: The COLT members that have not heard of it, please
Speaker 1: give us a quick synopsis of what this is.
Speaker 2: Ok Yeah. Sure. Operation Horizon was established in the nineteen
Speaker 2: sixties before the first Moon landing, and what it was
Speaker 2: was it was to establish a permanent base on the
Speaker 2: Moon by the United States. Now, the thing is is
Speaker 2: that these projects get started and then what happens is
Speaker 2: they go, oh, yeah, well you know what, we canceled that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well they just say that because they want it to
Speaker 2: go black. And so yeah, I'm convinced, beyond the shadow
Speaker 2: of a doubt, that there is a base on the
Speaker 2: Moon and that it's been there for probably forty years
Speaker 2: at least.
Speaker 1: I'm of this belief as well, especially when you look
Speaker 1: at what China and India are both currently doing. They
Speaker 1: are trying to make a nuclear power plant on the
Speaker 1: dark side of the Moon. Now, I personally, I'm not
Speaker 1: a nuclear physicist by any means. I know very little.
Speaker 1: I get the gist of how nuclear power operates and
Speaker 1: all these things. I don't understand how they are going
Speaker 1: to turn or spin a turban in a no environment,
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. What are you using for the force
Speaker 1: to push the turbines to create power. I'm sure they
Speaker 1: have this figured out, but that sounds mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2: Fusion, you would you would have to encase it in
Speaker 2: a closed environment and introduce air into that environment.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, so it would have to.
Speaker 2: Be inside a building or structure of some kind, and
Speaker 2: then you would have to, like I said, introduce air
Speaker 2: and then and then you would have that you would
Speaker 2: be able to turn that turbine.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 4: I have a question, how do you think they Because
Speaker 4: you said that you believe that there is the thirty
Speaker 4: sorry not thirty three thousand foot long space ships that
Speaker 4: are up up already there, how do you think they
Speaker 4: got them up there without anybody seeing it?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: Do you think they are cloaking technology? Is that what
Speaker 3: they're using?
Speaker 4: Or I'm just curious how you think they everybody got
Speaker 4: up there without anybody seeing that?
Speaker 1: Fair question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they're build at I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: the name. I can't think of the name. There's a
Speaker 2: facility in Utah. It was originally at Area fifty one,
Speaker 2: but Area fifty one got real popular and everybody started looking,
Speaker 2: and so it was they had to move to another
Speaker 2: location because there are just too many eyes on them,
Speaker 2: and you're dealing with craft that that incorporate anti gravity propulsion. Okay,
Speaker 2: So there the research that I've done, they're built on
Speaker 2: earth at this facility in Utah, and I just wish
Speaker 2: for the life I could remember the name.
Speaker 1: Is it the CHRISTA. Mcauliff Space Center.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's it's not far from.
Speaker 1: Dougway Tello's Discovery Space Center.
Speaker 2: No. No, still come to me.
Speaker 1: You'll come to me.
Speaker 2: But but the thing is is before he died, Senator
Speaker 2: John McCain made a Freedom of Information Act request and he, uh,
Speaker 2: he got a response. Boy did he get a response.
Speaker 2: These are some of the things that that they sent him,
Speaker 2: and I've just highlighted a few of them. There's there's
Speaker 2: like several pages of of these that that that DARPA,
Speaker 2: that the Defense Intelligence Agency, that several other organized government
Speaker 2: organizations are actually working on doing research and there, and
Speaker 2: they're into research and development.
Speaker 1: It's not the Northrop Grumman site in Utah? Is it?
Speaker 1: Because they just had an explosion at their space facility
Speaker 1: that Northrop Grumman was was operating and they thankfully nobody
Speaker 1: was injured. But that just actually happened, I want to say,
Speaker 1: maybe last month.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, and I.
Speaker 2: Don't think so because I don't know if it's Northrop
Speaker 2: Grumman or whether it's uh Lockheed Martin that have a
Speaker 2: facility in Antelope Valley and that's where they claim that
Speaker 2: the Tier three ds are coming from. But this is
Speaker 2: the research and development that these different government organizations are
Speaker 2: working on invisibility cloaking. And here's the document that I
Speaker 2: pulled off of off of the Internet. And that's how
Speaker 2: thick it is. Wow, it's pages long. Traversible wormholes, stargates
Speaker 2: and negative energy. The role of superconductors in gravity research,
Speaker 2: anti gravity for aerospace applications. Now, they made a breakthrough
Speaker 2: in anti gravity research in October of nineteen fifty three,
Speaker 2: so they've had anti gravity since then. Concepts for extracting
Speaker 2: energy from the quantum vacuum. That's zero point energy, that's free,
Speaker 2: clean energy that you can extract from the quantum vacuum. Okay,
Speaker 2: and they actually have the technology to do that, right Wow.
Speaker 2: Biomaterials that they use in the development of the spacecraft,
Speaker 2: meta materials, same thing for aerospace applications. Metallic glasses and
Speaker 2: this is stuff that it's it's it's it's primary structure
Speaker 2: is glass, but if you strike it with a bullet,
Speaker 2: it becomes metallic and so it's it's a protective element. Right.
Speaker 1: Is this some of the what's the word I'm looking
Speaker 1: it's like liquid metal that seems to be strewn across
Speaker 1: the ground anytime that there is a UFO crash that
Speaker 1: takes place.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Space communication implications of quantum entanglement and non locality. I
Speaker 2: use that in my novels is signal nonlocality, And what
Speaker 2: it is is it's it's it's quantum entanglement. It's where
Speaker 2: two atoms can be one can be here in the
Speaker 2: Milky Way, the other one can be in the Andromeda Galaxy.
Speaker 2: But somehow they're connected. And this is quantum physics, okay,
Speaker 2: and it's it's actually been demonstrated. But they communicate with
Speaker 2: each other. So if you do something to this atom,
Speaker 2: the same thing happens to this atom. And they've actually
Speaker 2: developed a form of communication where you can talk to
Speaker 2: somebody in the Andromeda Galaxy just like you and I
Speaker 2: are talking now. There's no time lag, there's no you know,
Speaker 2: the subspace message will take three weeks to reach starfleet.
Speaker 2: I mean no, it's instantaneous. And so they've already got
Speaker 2: that technology. And I use that in my in my
Speaker 2: novels because it's great.
Speaker 1: We've heard that that's the reason for them taking DNA
Speaker 1: samples from humans, it could be.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that aspect of it, but detection in
Speaker 2: high resolution tracking of vehicles at hypersonic velocities. That's important
Speaker 2: because China is now developing a hypersonic missile that they
Speaker 2: think will get past all of the United States.
Speaker 1: Defenses, which is crazy because we've had hyper by their
Speaker 1: definition of what a hypersonic missile is. We've had that
Speaker 1: since the V two rocket in the forties. Russia's been
Speaker 1: going on and on about their hypersonic missiles and it's like, brother,
Speaker 1: you're now catching up to what we've had for decades.
Speaker 1: They just launched their nuclear powered missile and it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: we had that in sixty one. We shut the program
Speaker 1: down in sixty two.
Speaker 2: So it's you know, yeah, yeah, magneto hydrodynamics, air breathing,
Speaker 2: propulsion and power for aerospace applications, quantum computing, quantum tomography,
Speaker 2: ultra capacitors. You know, that would be like a room
Speaker 2: temperature superconductor. So he's got this list of things that
Speaker 2: Senator McCain got through the the Freedom of Information Act,
Speaker 2: and what it's pointing to is that this is all
Speaker 2: in research and development, and a lot of it has
Speaker 2: probably already been. They've had breakthroughs, and now they're in
Speaker 2: the development stage of producing this this stuff.
Speaker 4: Do they release any of the information or do they
Speaker 4: just release the titles of what they have?
Speaker 2: Some of it has been unclassified, like this cloaking system.
Speaker 2: You know, you can read through this and uh and
Speaker 2: you know you've got the theory and the principle and
Speaker 2: the applications and all of that. So you know when
Speaker 2: when the Romulans cloak their their their bird of prey.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know we can do that now Romulins. Star
Speaker 1: Trek gotcha.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, it's okay, I got it.
Speaker 2: They had they had the cloak.
Speaker 3: He doesn't he he's not a Star Treker Star Wars person,
Speaker 3: But I am. So I got you.
Speaker 2: So you get the inforgy Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 3: As soon as you said, I was like, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: I mean we have that technology now, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and we have anti gravity technology, I mean anti gravity.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a man named Thomas Townsend Brown and
Speaker 2: he was working with what is referred to as electro
Speaker 2: gravitics as far back as the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And he served in the US Navy as an electrical
Speaker 2: engineer during the Second World War and after the war
Speaker 2: he hooked up with a guy named doctor Paul Beifeld,
Speaker 2: who was a personal friend of Albert Einstein, and they
Speaker 2: got together and they worked on this electric electro gravitics,
Speaker 2: which is a form of anti gravity, and they actually
Speaker 2: made it work. Back at the end of the Second
Speaker 2: World War, they made a presentation to the Navy, and
Speaker 2: remember Project Horizon. Yep, the Navy said, no, you know what,
Speaker 2: We're really not interested. But several months later, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, Thomas Brown and doctor Buyfeld establish a massive
Speaker 2: facility in Los Angeles and nobody could get past the
Speaker 2: front desk, and what they were working on was Project
Speaker 2: winter Haven.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is a new one for me, So please
Speaker 1: give us a breakdown.
Speaker 2: A gravity program on an electro gravitic program that they
Speaker 2: were working on. And you you I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: you could put money on the fact that they were
Speaker 2: they were developing it for the Navy. The Navy said,
Speaker 2: now we're not interested in that. Nothing to see here,
Speaker 2: move on, move on, Okay, you guys here go. So
Speaker 2: again it's the misdirection, right, It's like Project Horizon while
Speaker 2: canceled out, and we're not going to build them based
Speaker 2: on the Moon. Well, sure we are. We're just going
Speaker 2: to tell everybody that we're not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so go ahead.
Speaker 4: Oh you've seen we're talking about just some of the
Speaker 4: stuff I was thinking about that you were listening off.
Speaker 4: You've seen that they're trying to mix bat blood with
Speaker 4: human blood to be able to extend our travel in
Speaker 4: space and to be able to go further and longer.
Speaker 4: Have you seen have you been able to read? And
Speaker 4: I've been following that research for the last year. They've
Speaker 4: been talking about it and trying to experiment with it.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, I don't. It's not in this list that
Speaker 2: I have, and I haven't. I haven't heard of it.
Speaker 4: It's okay, I'm taking I'm sitting here taking notes too.
Speaker 4: I'm a note taker, so like as you're saying names
Speaker 4: and stuff, I'm taking notes because I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 4: want to look at this up later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look it up there. It's actually interesting research right
Speaker 3: now about it.
Speaker 4: So bat blood is what they're trying to use for
Speaker 4: inter stellar dimension travel for humans eventually.
Speaker 2: And then and I'm just going to make a note of.
Speaker 1: That absolutely, And as we're talking about how they're trying
Speaker 1: to create super soldiers by bioengineering red blood cells. Couple
Speaker 1: that with what they're doing with bat blood. Couple that
Speaker 1: with what China was working on in Wuhan when allegedly
Speaker 1: it was a bat that led to COVID, which is bullshit.
Speaker 1: But neither here nor there, But like this all and
Speaker 1: you look at how China's space program has taken off.
Speaker 1: That's that sounded like, you know what, fuck it? I
Speaker 1: intended the pun that has taken off in the last
Speaker 1: few years in very very large leaps and bounds. It's
Speaker 1: not crazy to think that that might be something that
Speaker 1: they are also trying to do with their own version
Speaker 1: of crisper technology in China right now. So I could
Speaker 1: see that as well. I wanted to ask you also
Speaker 1: Project Horizon. You said that was in fifty what.
Speaker 2: Now, No, it was it was in the early sixties.
Speaker 2: I think it was sixty three or sixty four.
Speaker 1: Okay, notes here somewhere, Okay, I forget what you said.
Speaker 1: It was a project that was in like fifty three,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was really crazy.
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty three, where you see before that every
Speaker 2: aerospace company had a department, an entire department that was
Speaker 2: devoted to developing anti gravity technology, and I mean everybody
Speaker 2: you know, General Dynamics, Lockheed, all of the aerospace companies.
Speaker 2: They were devoting a lot of money to the development
Speaker 2: of anti gravity because everybody, you know, and they figured
Speaker 2: that they were going to have a breakthrough and that
Speaker 2: everybody would be able to drive to work like George
Speaker 2: Jetson right. Unfortunately, well, according to my research, they made
Speaker 2: a discovery, they made a breakthrough, somebody did in October
Speaker 2: of nineteen fifty three, and all of the chatter stopped.
Speaker 1: So this was only early six years after the Roswell
Speaker 1: crash happened. Yeah, and it took them that long to
Speaker 1: try to reverse engineer this enough to have the breakthrough
Speaker 1: like that. Now, I mean, granted, that's nothing to turn
Speaker 1: your nose up. At six years to reverse engineer anti
Speaker 1: gravity tech anology based off of wreckage that you found,
Speaker 1: that's impressive as hell, but that's still that's insane.
Speaker 4: So then it just went silent completely after October ninety three, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The government shut it down. That would have been I
Speaker 2: think it was before Eisenhower. I think it was still Truman.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, they just they just threw they threw
Speaker 2: the put a lid on it, and all of the
Speaker 2: all of the chatter, all of the departments were closed
Speaker 2: and nobody was allowed to talk about anti gravity technology
Speaker 2: since then. And that was because because they had it
Speaker 2: and they didn't want anyone else to get it right.
Speaker 2: And you know what happened with the Manhattan Project. There
Speaker 2: were two scientists that were working on that and when
Speaker 2: they when they had their breakthrough and they developed the
Speaker 2: atomic bomb, they they said to themselves, no one nation
Speaker 2: should have this by themselves. And so what they did
Speaker 2: was they sold it to the Russians.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's treason, agreed.
Speaker 2: But the thing is is, you know what they thought
Speaker 2: it was, you know, mad.
Speaker 1: Mutually mutually assured destruction.
Speaker 2: Instruction. Right, If they've got it and we've got it,
Speaker 2: then neither one of us can use it because if
Speaker 2: we do, it's the end of civilization. Right. So whoever
Speaker 2: was in charge, and I think it was probably Majestic
Speaker 2: twelve who actually existed, they said, Okay, we've now got
Speaker 2: this breakthrough an anti gravity we're not sharing it with
Speaker 2: anyone because we don't want the competition.
Speaker 1: I think Majestic twelve still exists. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, probably in very small ways. It's not
Speaker 1: to the same level that it did at that time
Speaker 1: when it was in its prime. For lack of better words,
Speaker 1: there's no way that they don't have their remnants still
Speaker 1: in existence today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called the deep state.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, that was that was the first major breakthrough.
Speaker 2: And then of course there is my friend's dad who
Speaker 2: saw these other breakthroughs, right, shields and directive energy weapons,
Speaker 2: you know, that sort of thing, And they just kept
Speaker 2: coming and they kept coming, and like I said, you know,
Speaker 2: we're in twenty twenty five, we're talking about the fifties
Speaker 2: and sixties of the twentieth century. What do you think
Speaker 2: they've gotten now? Right, because technology has has ballooned exponentially
Speaker 2: in the last thirty years, and you know, you take
Speaker 2: a look at like I said, you know, the Apollo
Speaker 2: spacecraft they were using slide rules and it was all analog.
Speaker 2: And now there's more technology in your iPhone than there
Speaker 2: was in those spacecraft.
Speaker 1: Right, wow, So you know.
Speaker 2: It's yes there. And so what I try and do
Speaker 2: with my novels is I try and incorporate these elements
Speaker 2: that I think are real into my story, right, and
Speaker 2: so even though it's fiction, you know you're reading stuff
Speaker 2: that it's probably.
Speaker 3: Does exist, okay, And you know.
Speaker 2: There's plenty of skeptics out there that's, oh, you know
Speaker 2: you're you're a nut bart.
Speaker 1: We're not going to listen to We're professional conspiracy theorist. Brother,
Speaker 1: we know the skeptics.
Speaker 4: I wish I wish you understood how many zombie books
Speaker 4: that I have like read and consumed.
Speaker 3: There's actually a novel.
Speaker 4: There's a man that is he compiles every kind of
Speaker 4: information possible for the last century on zombies pretty much.
Speaker 4: And he actually was I think a sniper too, and
Speaker 4: so his the way he writes is like a lot
Speaker 4: of men, very heavy detailed when it comes to you know,
Speaker 4: talking about weapons systems and tactical advantages and planning out
Speaker 4: warfare and how you're going to survive this stuff.
Speaker 3: I love his novels.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's there's a lot of different stuff I've read,
Speaker 4: so it's not out of the realm of crazy.
Speaker 1: So at this point, nothing is honestly well, and you.
Speaker 2: Know, I'm a I'm at the age where I really
Speaker 2: don't care what people think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm there to.
Speaker 3: Don't worry.
Speaker 1: You've been an armor smith and a sword fighter for years.
Speaker 1: There's no way you care what people think. Man, I
Speaker 1: get it. I totally get it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know. I want to make if you'll, if
Speaker 2: you'll permit me, please, I want to make two points here.
Speaker 2: I was going to say this at the very beginning,
Speaker 2: but we got sidetracked with armor and that's okay.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to apologize. I'm sorry. You have no
Speaker 1: idea how rare it is to me to have this
Speaker 1: type of conversation on this show. So it is what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: Okay. There's there's two points I want to make. Number
Speaker 2: one is you need to be careful, Okay, don't believe
Speaker 2: everything that you see or hear or read. What you
Speaker 2: need to do is you need to be objective and
Speaker 2: you need to do your own homework, and that that
Speaker 2: applies to everybody. Do not park your brain at the
Speaker 2: door and simply accept what somebody says because you respect them,
Speaker 2: or because you think they're a celebrity, or you think
Speaker 2: that you know they're they're uh uh whatever, you know,
Speaker 2: do your own homework right, do your own research. Don't
Speaker 2: just take my word for what you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've been doing this research for ten years now. Don't
Speaker 2: take my word for it. Get in there, get on
Speaker 2: the internet. But you got to be careful, yes, because
Speaker 2: there's a lot of kooks, flakes and crap uh and
Speaker 2: quacks on the internet.
Speaker 1: That's the deal. We're in the age of information, but
Speaker 1: we are also in the age of disinformation at the
Speaker 1: same time and censoring and it's yeah.
Speaker 2: And and the thing is too, is that you know
Speaker 2: these are these are still good sources of information.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I believe in books, right, So you know.
Speaker 2: Don't just go on the internet, start buying some books,
Speaker 2: start reading some books, go back to the library, and
Speaker 2: and and look for yourself and make your own decisions
Speaker 2: and come to your own conclusions. And and then number two,
Speaker 2: people have a tendency to believe what they want. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: regardless of the evidence, either for or against it. And
Speaker 2: so it's imperative that you remain skeptical and that you
Speaker 2: remain objective. Okay. My dad used to call it having
Speaker 2: a teachable spirit. Okay, So you got to be the
Speaker 2: kind of person who doesn't take everybody's word for it.
Speaker 2: You look at it for yourself, and if you're wrong,
Speaker 2: then you know, have the wherewithal to admit, you know what,
Speaker 2: I've looked at the evidence and I was wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so I no longer believe.
Speaker 1: That that takes humility, and that's something that's also lost
Speaker 1: in our day and age today. It's like just spouting
Speaker 1: off at the mouth about whatever is fine, but being
Speaker 1: able to admit, you know what, I made a mistake.
Speaker 1: I did some more research into it, and come to
Speaker 1: find out I was wrong. People feel like that's like dirty,
Speaker 1: that's like even worse than being proven wrong. Admitting that
Speaker 1: you were wrong. Oh my god, your your reputation is ruined.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, this is how you protect your
Speaker 1: reputation and keep academic honesty within this circle. But so
Speaker 1: many people are afraid to actually admit this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've done that to myself. I don't know
Speaker 2: how many times, you know, in my research on this
Speaker 2: is you know, Okay, that guy, yeah, he was not
Speaker 2: correct in that. He was not accurate in that, and
Speaker 2: I said that he was. But now I have to
Speaker 2: admit that he wasn't. Yeah, and I was. I was
Speaker 2: wrong in my assessment of this. Okay, I admit that
Speaker 2: I was, and I've corrected myself and I'm moving on.
Speaker 2: It's it's just yeah, you're right, it's it's it's intellectual honesty.
Speaker 2: It's you. You have to you have to practice that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And uh and you know, I mean there's there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people out there that are saying a lot
Speaker 2: of wild and crazy things. Oh yeah, yes, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know what, humans actually went to the Moon? I
Speaker 2: don't believe. Well, do some research, right, it might surprise yourself.
Speaker 1: Brother, flat earther is kill me that. That's a perfect
Speaker 1: example of this weird I was because so many of
Speaker 1: our listeners believe in the flat Earth. We've had so
Speaker 1: many guests on the show. No, they go out of
Speaker 1: the way to come at me for being the resident
Speaker 1: globe tard on this show, and it's like, okay, pause,
Speaker 1: how many actual experiments have you done rather than just
Speaker 1: well it doesn't look round to me. Then you had
Speaker 1: that situation where these people went to Antarctica. There was
Speaker 1: six of them, three of them were flat earthers and
Speaker 1: three of them were round earthers, and there was an
Speaker 1: experiment because according to the flat earth model, there's no
Speaker 1: way you could have a twenty four hour son in Antarctica, right,
Speaker 1: they go there and they film it, and low and behold,
Speaker 1: there was in fact a twenty four hour son. There
Speaker 1: was no ice wall. They weren't escorted off of the
Speaker 1: continent with men with guns. And one of the flat
Speaker 1: Earthers actually capitulated and said, you know what, I was wrong.
Speaker 1: This was I was presented with evidence that I can't refute,
Speaker 1: and I have to rethink my whole dynamic here. Two
Speaker 1: of them decided to make seven more mental hoops that
Speaker 1: they would have to jump through to make what they
Speaker 1: just saw make sense to them, and they like tripled
Speaker 1: down on their flat earthitude and it's it's wild, it
Speaker 1: really is.
Speaker 2: Well, here's some more evidence for you. In World War One,
Speaker 2: a German artillery man with a Grade three education trying
Speaker 2: to triangulate his target has to take into account the curvature.
Speaker 2: Oh there's that word, the curvature of the earth.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I've told them this tree education. I mean, you know, it's.
Speaker 1: So we're both military veterans, and I've had to explain this,
Speaker 1: Like you realize just your basic level of artillery, if
Speaker 1: you're firing anywhere over two and a half miles three miles,
Speaker 1: you have to take into affect the Coriola's effect. Well
Speaker 1: that's not true, and I'm like, hold on ching Lie.
Speaker 1: A legendary naval admiral in World War Two. He basically
Speaker 1: decided to start using his battleship like a glorified sniper rifle,
Speaker 1: and he was hitting land targets from his ship, and
Speaker 1: he was so far out that he had to affectionately
Speaker 1: lead his target, which was a building on the ground.
Speaker 1: How would he have needed to lead his target unless
Speaker 1: the earth was spinning like this? Well he didn't. He lied. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but forgive me for believing the guy who
Speaker 1: had proof rather than some sort of an internet blog
Speaker 1: that you just happened to read. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I call them armchair experts.
Speaker 1: Oh there's so many of those, Oh my god. But
Speaker 1: like you said, it's there is so much information out there,
Speaker 1: and there's equally so much disinformation out there. It's all
Speaker 1: about verifying your sources as well. And I understand that
Speaker 1: that's also tricky, because like you're reading, you're reading declassified
Speaker 1: documents that were seen as myths and hokum only a
Speaker 1: few years back. But you have to look at the
Speaker 1: source material itself and see how much of it is
Speaker 1: actually verified true, How how much of it is in
Speaker 1: the realm of what they were trying to accomplish and
Speaker 1: they failed, or how many of these things that they
Speaker 1: did in fact succeed at and to what level that
Speaker 1: research went next. There's levels upon levels upon levels of
Speaker 1: research that is needed for all of this.
Speaker 4: But you also don't have access to a lot of
Speaker 4: it because whatever they're giving us is going to be
Speaker 4: what they deem at least acceptable to give us. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the problem is whatever is that they're keeping secreted,
Speaker 4: it's in lock and key, and we're not going to
Speaker 4: hear about it unless somebody decides to whistle blow enough
Speaker 4: without getting got before.
Speaker 3: They before they say something.
Speaker 1: But now and then even with the whistleblowers like that
Speaker 1: David Grush guy, Okay, every statement that David Grush has
Speaker 1: made has been approved in greenlit by the DoD and
Speaker 1: he is not giving any first hand accounts of anything
Speaker 1: that happened. It's all someone very reliable told me x
Speaker 1: y Z. And then whenever you ask him any kind
Speaker 1: of follow up question, well, I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: know this is the story I was given. And so
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, he's considered a whistleblower. In reality, he
Speaker 1: is perpetuating a greenlit narrative by the same people in
Speaker 1: the deep State that we are talking about right now.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that he's lying to us. I'm
Speaker 1: saying that he is giving us the most g rated,
Speaker 1: nerved answers that he can actually legally give us. And
Speaker 1: so many people take his word to be Biblical Testament here,
Speaker 1: and so many people also see him as a complete
Speaker 1: fraudster because he's DoD So I get it well.
Speaker 2: And not only that, but there's another element to that.
Speaker 2: And Ben Rich who was head of Lockheed Martin after
Speaker 2: Kelly Johnson retired, he gave a lecture at the University
Speaker 2: of UCLA and it was for aeronautical engineers and that's
Speaker 2: where he went to school. But anyhow, during that lecture,
Speaker 2: he said, we have things out in the desert, meaning
Speaker 2: Area fifteen one, that are fifty years ahead of anything
Speaker 2: you've seen, you know, in the air or whatever. He says,
Speaker 2: if you've seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek,
Speaker 2: he says, we've been there, done that, or figured that
Speaker 2: it wasn't worth the effort. So in the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 2: when Reagan ordered the strike on Kadafi's house in Tripoli.
Speaker 2: He sent a division of F sixteen's to bomb his house.
Speaker 2: They already had the F one seventeen stealth fighter, already
Speaker 2: had it they but Reagan didn't want to disclose that
Speaker 2: the US had it, so he sent F sixteen's instead
Speaker 2: of the F one seventeen. Well, they didn't bring they
Speaker 2: didn't roll out the F one seventeen until I think
Speaker 2: it was the late nineties or early two thousands, and
Speaker 2: so that was like twenty or thirty years later when
Speaker 2: they actually said, okay, we now have this this stealth
Speaker 2: fighter see F one seventeen. And so they already had it.
Speaker 2: So the thing is is what they're showing us now
Speaker 2: is already thirty or forty years obsolete. Yeah, and what
Speaker 2: they're developing right now is fifty years ahead of anything
Speaker 2: that we have now.
Speaker 1: I mean you could even say it with our fighter
Speaker 1: jets today, like, for instance, the F thirty five we
Speaker 1: are allowing America is allowing other countries to buy versions
Speaker 1: of it with some lesser capabilities than what we have
Speaker 1: in our fleets. I get that the F twenty two
Speaker 1: Raptor is a far superior air platform in all way
Speaker 1: shapes and forms. We have not fielded it one time yet,
Speaker 1: because once we do, we are now revealing another card
Speaker 1: in our hand as far as our capabilities are concerned.
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna keep making new additions and new
Speaker 1: iterations of the F thirty five until we literally cannot
Speaker 1: worry about that anymore, and then we have to release
Speaker 1: our newest and shiniest toy. But that's been developed and
Speaker 1: pilots have been experts on that platform for years and
Speaker 1: years and years, and we're still not willing to pull
Speaker 1: it out of the hangar. Let's not even talk about
Speaker 1: the shit that we're going to have pulling out of
Speaker 1: the hanger in fifty years from now, right. It's mind blowing,
Speaker 1: But anyway, anyway, so all right, I also want to
Speaker 1: ask you this, as you are somebody who has done
Speaker 1: some very very deep research into these research and development things,
Speaker 1: what is your take on these glowing orbs that everybody sees.
Speaker 1: We've heard so many different perspectives and opinions on what
Speaker 1: these are. Some are saying that these are drones, some
Speaker 1: are saying that they are interdimensional crafts. Some are saying
Speaker 1: that this is the cloaking technology around UFOs and UAPs,
Speaker 1: and then the conversation comes up, well, if that's what
Speaker 1: that is, then how come we also can see flying
Speaker 1: saucers and it evolves into straight up hypotheticals back and forth.
Speaker 1: Then we had the situation where they locked on an
Speaker 1: ORB with a hellfire missile and actually shot it and
Speaker 1: hit it, but it didn't slow it down right, And
Speaker 1: so that tells me that it's not an ethereal or
Speaker 1: spiritual uh thing. It has to be a hard physical
Speaker 1: thing for a hell fire to lock on to it.
Speaker 1: So in your research, what do you make of these orbs?
Speaker 2: Well, I think they go back to the Second World
Speaker 2: War with the food fighters, Okay, because the Nazis were
Speaker 2: developing some pretty heavy stuff. Uh they were. They had
Speaker 2: two flying saucer programs, the Vril and the Hanabut they
Speaker 2: were they were developing. They'd actually developed an atomic bomb
Speaker 2: and they did two tests. And this is documented proof. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is not just me, you know, taking flights of fancy.
Speaker 2: This was actually documented and uh and there's actually a YouTube,
Speaker 2: not a YouTube video, a Netflix video where they go
Speaker 2: through the development and the testing of an atomic bomb
Speaker 2: by the Nazis and and so they were, They were
Speaker 2: developing a lot of things that there was. There was
Speaker 2: a German officer by the name of Hans Kammler who
Speaker 2: was in charge of all of these special projects that
Speaker 2: the Nazis were developing. And what they did was, you see,
Speaker 2: because the Allies were bombing them into oblivion, what he
Speaker 2: did was he took Jewish prisoners from the concentration camps
Speaker 2: and they dug these massive tunnels underground in in various
Speaker 2: remote places around Germany and Austria, and that's where they
Speaker 2: were developing all of these special projects. And one of
Speaker 2: the projects, I believe was the Foo Fighters. What they
Speaker 2: were was they were drones. And the Americans saw them
Speaker 2: and they said, this is something new that the Nazis
Speaker 2: had developed. Well, the Nazi, not Theis, but the German Wehrmacht,
Speaker 2: the German Army, the Luffaff of the Air Force, they
Speaker 2: saw them and they said, this has got to be
Speaker 2: something that the Americans have developed. But they didn't know either.
Speaker 2: So it was a top secret. The average soldier on
Speaker 2: the ground or in the air didn't know what it
Speaker 2: was because they weren't told because it was classified. And
Speaker 2: you got to keep in mind that at the end
Speaker 2: of the war, a lot of those German scientists were
Speaker 2: brought over to the United States through Project paper Clip.
Speaker 2: Verner von Braun was one of them, Yeah, and there
Speaker 2: were many others, right, and so they brought their research
Speaker 2: with them. And there's a case, and I can't remember
Speaker 2: the name. It was in the Pacific Northwest where this
Speaker 2: guy and his son and his son's dog on a
Speaker 2: fishing boat in Puget Sound. They encountered a UFO or
Speaker 2: several UFOs, and one of them was having problems and
Speaker 2: it dropped some material onto his boat, hit the dog
Speaker 2: and killed the dog and wounded his son to the
Speaker 2: point where he was his arm was needed surgery or
Speaker 2: something like that. I forget. He was in the hospital
Speaker 2: for months. But these flying saucers had no center in them. Well,
Speaker 2: in any of the flying saucers that the Germans were developing,
Speaker 2: and that I think the Americans were developing as well,
Speaker 2: the center of the saucer was always the crew compartment
Speaker 2: because the anti gravity engine was a toroidal or toroid
Speaker 2: around the outer edge of the saucer, and so the
Speaker 2: crew was always in the center. Well, these these particular
Speaker 2: flying saucers didn't have a center in them, and that
Speaker 2: was one of the things that this guy noticed. They
Speaker 2: were hollowing the center like a donut. So it's my
Speaker 2: take that they were drones, manned craft. And I think
Speaker 2: that these balls are the same thing. These these that
Speaker 2: you're talking about, I think they're all drones. And the
Speaker 2: fact that a helfire missile couldn't bring one down just
Speaker 2: tells me that that shield that they developed back in
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixties was in full operation, you know, when
Speaker 2: that hell fire hit. The thing is is that people
Speaker 2: you know, there are some people that say, oh, you
Speaker 2: know the UFOs or they're just demon spirits. Well, the
Speaker 2: problem with that is that a demon spirit cannot manifest
Speaker 2: itself physically in our four dimensional space time. The only
Speaker 2: way they can interact in our four dimensional space time
Speaker 2: is to directly possess a human being. So a UFO
Speaker 2: that can be picked up on multiple radars, can be photographed,
Speaker 2: bends and breaks tree branches when it descends, leaves marks
Speaker 2: in the ground when it assends, and leaves radioactive residue.
Speaker 2: Is a physical object, plain and simple, Okay, It's not
Speaker 2: a transdimensional being. And so you know, and people have
Speaker 2: reported that they've been taken on board and examined, you know,
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing, you know, the alien abduction thing.
Speaker 2: So so you know the thing is is Michael Strap.
Speaker 2: He's an aircraft historian. He's also a very respected UFO researcher.
Speaker 2: He says that he believes that eighty five percent of
Speaker 2: what we see in the sky as UFOs are in
Speaker 2: fact our own special spacecraft or aircraft or whatever that
Speaker 2: is being developed by these black projects. He says, the
Speaker 2: other fifteen percent are probably you know, legitimate UFOs.
Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said for that, right
Speaker 1: if you look at all these UFO and I'm using
Speaker 1: that term loosely on this one. Sightings from around the
Speaker 1: you know, ut Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico area in the
Speaker 1: late forties, early fifties. They kept saying they saw a
Speaker 1: flying trying in the sky right the Angry to Rito.
Speaker 1: But that's because they didn't know that that was a
Speaker 1: stealth bomber that was in the works at that time,
Speaker 1: and so the government officials came in, took their reports
Speaker 1: and said, don't worry, we're looking into it. These people
Speaker 1: went to their grave believing that they saw a flying UFO.
Speaker 1: In reality, that was a new aircraft that they were developing,
Speaker 1: So I there's something to be said for that. But
Speaker 1: then when it comes to the orb situation, if you remember,
Speaker 1: was it two years ago or three years ago? They
Speaker 1: had all these glowing orbs over New Jersey and that
Speaker 1: made the news all over the place. Clear sign to
Speaker 1: me that it was probably us was the fact that
Speaker 1: bipartisan as far as our politicians were concerned, Republicans, Democrats
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't matter, oh that, no, don't worry
Speaker 1: about that. It's is it us? No, it's not us.
Speaker 1: But they're also super not dangerous and there's nothing you
Speaker 1: need to worry about, so let's just move on. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, how do you know that for a fact
Speaker 1: if you don't know what it is. And so that
Speaker 1: led me to believe, especially whenever you're seeing that some
Speaker 1: of them had crashed and they were drones that were
Speaker 1: you know, they had eight propellers on them, and no
Speaker 1: one on earth allegedly still to this day, has drones
Speaker 1: technology that can stay in flight for eight hours. But
Speaker 1: somehow these things were crashing and it was crazy things.
Speaker 1: So I hear what you're saying as far as how
Speaker 1: a lot of This is probably our own research and
Speaker 1: development that people are able to see when take videos
Speaker 1: on their phones and put on social media, and it
Speaker 1: becomes a whole thing. But now, have you ever heard
Speaker 1: of Chris Bledsoe or the Bledsoe family and their experiences
Speaker 1: with these orbs?
Speaker 2: You know that sounds familiar?
Speaker 1: Okay, So Chris Bledsoe, his family has a YouTube channel
Speaker 1: called Bledsoe said, So, he made his way on Fox before.
Speaker 1: He's been on Sean Ryan before. I think he was
Speaker 1: supposed to go on Rogan. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: actually did, but he on his family land has had
Speaker 1: a orb that has been flying into his backyard off
Speaker 1: and on for the for years. And he's even had
Speaker 1: conversations with some sort of a I'm going to call
Speaker 1: it creature. Some people would call it an entity. I'm
Speaker 1: not the person to make that judgment call. But has
Speaker 1: this woman came out and had a conversation and said
Speaker 1: her name was Hathor, which is odd because that's an
Speaker 1: it's an Egyptian goddess and so and and Chris Bledsoe
Speaker 1: is a Christian man and he doesn't believe that this
Speaker 1: is a demon. He believes he was speaking to an angel,
Speaker 1: which that's a whole conversation for another day, because when
Speaker 1: you look at the Egyptian deity itself, it was recognized
Speaker 1: as a demonic entity and there was even a plague
Speaker 1: that was specifically targeting at her when the you know,
Speaker 1: Moses in the whole thing. But some people believe that
Speaker 1: these are demonic entities. Some people believe these are angelic entities.
Speaker 1: My only pushback against that would be, since when do
Speaker 1: angels and demons need a vehicle? Like I must have
Speaker 1: missed that, and I know they're going to bring up
Speaker 1: biblically where well, they came on chariots a fire, So
Speaker 1: what does that look like?
Speaker 3: Okay, they have horses.
Speaker 1: But keeping yeah, they were riding a horse and the
Speaker 1: okay aside from prophetic things, right, because that's meant to
Speaker 1: be taken.
Speaker 3: With a grain and like maybe they upgraded.
Speaker 1: Okay, but even in the Egyptian and when the Jews
Speaker 1: or the Hebrews rather were leaving Egypt, they had these
Speaker 1: angels come down chariots of fire. And I've had to
Speaker 1: try to tell people, yeah, because at that time Egyptians
Speaker 1: didn't even know how to ride horses. They had war chariots,
Speaker 1: so if an angel is trying to give the image
Speaker 1: that he's here for war, he would be giving the
Speaker 1: image that he is in a war chariot.
Speaker 4: That maybe, to me, maybe Homie just wants to chill
Speaker 4: and like you know, cruise in and be like, hey.
Speaker 3: Guys, what's up. So he's chilling in a new vehicle.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: And that also kills me. For Egypt, with all of
Speaker 1: their crazy advanced technology, you're telling me they couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out what a saddle was like that they had to
Speaker 1: ride chariots for thousands of years. Meanwhile, the hit Tits
Speaker 1: accidentally learned how to ride horses with a blanket, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, they were chilling.
Speaker 2: You know, they didn't develop they didn't develop stirrups until
Speaker 2: it was the third or fourth century AD.
Speaker 1: Right, it was basically bareback riding. But then even still,
Speaker 1: the Higes lost that whenever their civilization collapsed. The whole
Speaker 1: riding horses thing that went away for what two thousand years?
Speaker 1: It's mind blowing anyway. Well, no, that's not fair. Maybe
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred. The Greeks with Alexander, he was pretty good
Speaker 1: at his mounted cavalry, So that's a bit of a misnomer.
Speaker 1: But anyway, anyway, so as far as the orbs potentially
Speaker 1: being of a spiritual nature, you are of the opinion
Speaker 1: that the vast majority of them are human made tech.
Speaker 2: I think so, and I based that on you know,
Speaker 2: the Foo fighters, because what they did was they were
Speaker 2: gloy orbs and they buzzed American aircraft. They also buzzed
Speaker 2: Nazi aircraft too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but more you.
Speaker 2: Know, the Allied aircraft, And so I think what they
Speaker 2: were was they were an experiment or or they were
Speaker 2: developing a technology that they didn't get to finish because
Speaker 2: they were pretty much harmless. They just flew around the
Speaker 2: American aircraft or the Allied aircraft that didn't really do anything.
Speaker 2: I think that that that's probably what they what they were,
Speaker 2: and I think that that's probably what they are now.
Speaker 2: But I really haven't formed a solid opinion on that.
Speaker 1: So you don't believe that it was ball lightning, correct, Sorry,
Speaker 1: you don't believe that this was ball light which is
Speaker 1: also preposterous to me that the conditions to make ball
Speaker 1: lightning happen are so rare that I mean, it might
Speaker 1: happen one time on Earth in a generation. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they make it seem like it's just a thing that
Speaker 1: happens all the time. It's crazy what these quote unquote
Speaker 1: experts will spin as far as the narrative's concerned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Historically, ball lightning is very very rare, right,
Speaker 2: sat almost fire, that's what sailors to call it. Right,
Speaker 2: It didn't happen very often. I mean, there's very few
Speaker 2: reported occurrences. Columbus saw some. Yeah, when he was on
Speaker 2: his way and his first voyage over to America. There
Speaker 2: was a report in his log of bull of ball
Speaker 2: lightning that struck his the mast of his ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, No, these these blue orbs, they're they're definitely
Speaker 2: not ball lightening. And I mean they're they're they're controlled
Speaker 2: because they i mean they maneuver, yeah, exactly, and so
Speaker 2: they're under some form of intelligent control.
Speaker 1: And there's examples that you can find of Saint Elmo's
Speaker 1: fire even still today, like if on on wings of
Speaker 1: planes when they're flying through electrical storms, you'll see sparks
Speaker 1: coming off of the wings, and it's typically nothing to
Speaker 1: worry about or anything like that. But to say that
Speaker 1: it formed into its own independent ball and it was
Speaker 1: just shooting around multiple aircraft on multiple dog fights from
Speaker 1: both sides of the conflict. Like, that's that's a bit preposterous, honestly.
Speaker 2: Well, do you know on commercial aircraft at the end
Speaker 2: of the tip of the wing they have that that
Speaker 2: that bit that kind of goes up straight up. I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's a couple of feet, you know, it's
Speaker 2: just an extension of the wing, but it goes ninety
Speaker 2: degrees up. That is actually to discharge electric electricity that
Speaker 2: builds up over the surface of the wing in flight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so you know, if you're careful and you can,
Speaker 2: you can watch it. You can see it actually zap
Speaker 2: and discharge that electricity.
Speaker 1: It's basically a floating ground, yeah, which exactly. I was
Speaker 1: an electrician at one point in time and we actually
Speaker 1: ended up using a floating ground on half of our
Speaker 1: facility because it was wired up before nom not joking
Speaker 1: on that, so like it was, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people use it in industry in place of a tiebreaker.
Speaker 1: But that's we're getting into like industry things at that point.
Speaker 1: And I've had that conversation with a lot of flat
Speaker 1: earthers too that say that space is fake and that
Speaker 1: the satellites that we have these astronauts on is all fake?
Speaker 1: How do they have electricity out there with no ground?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you could just use a series of
Speaker 1: like step down transformers to make it negligible. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not actual rocket science. That's very rudimentary electrical science
Speaker 1: at that point. And yeah, even planes use that as
Speaker 1: basically a floating ground to discharge extra static into the
Speaker 1: clouds with no ground in sight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to take my phone, but I'm using
Speaker 2: it to hold my camera. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I get that me too.
Speaker 2: My iPhone doesn't have a ground, right, there's no ground
Speaker 2: on it. I carried around, put it in my pocket,
Speaker 2: you know, stick it in my car, and there's no
Speaker 2: ground there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's just magic according to some people. I guess
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Okay, right, I do have a quick question about your books.
Speaker 4: Where can people actually purchase your books? And like, where
Speaker 4: is there a place that you're selling them, like Amazon
Speaker 4: or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Yes, you can find them on Amazon, you can find
Speaker 2: them on Barnes and Noble, and you can find them
Speaker 2: on most of the bookseller platforms. Okay, I should have
Speaker 2: done I was going to do this before.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, and we got out.
Speaker 2: That's Okay. What I wanted to do is give you
Speaker 2: the address of my publisher, because if you buy the
Speaker 2: book directly from my publisher, I get fifty percent five zero.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, plug the publisher, let's go.
Speaker 2: If if you buy it through Amazon or Barnes and
Speaker 2: Noble or whatever, I only get fifteen wow. Okay, So
Speaker 2: what I will do is I will email that link
Speaker 2: to you and then you can you can put it
Speaker 2: up if you want.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, of course. Okay, okay, thank you for that, oh
Speaker 1: for sure. For sure.
Speaker 3: Plus, I really wanted to read them. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: I was like, where can I read these? That's what
Speaker 3: I was trying to get at.
Speaker 4: I was like, so I really want to read your
Speaker 4: series because obviously I like to read, so I'm quite
Speaker 4: interested in seeing how it goes and what it's all about.
Speaker 1: Thank you absolutely.
Speaker 2: And I'm almost finished book five, so I'm hoping to
Speaker 2: have that out probably in the spring, and then I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm just beginning to plot out book six, so
Speaker 2: it should come along hopefully about a year a little
Speaker 2: bit later. Book five. It's it's taken me a little
Speaker 2: while to get it out because almost three years ago
Speaker 2: my wife passed away.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Three year battle with cancer, and she was a really
Speaker 2: really big part of my writing process, and so now
Speaker 2: that she's gone, I'm struggling.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you.
Speaker 2: Know, because I don't have her to help me.
Speaker 1: So that's heartbreaking. I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to get it finished and get it published,
Speaker 2: but it's been difficult. Without her input and without her support,
Speaker 2: it's been hard.
Speaker 3: So I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: But but I will send you that link to the publisher, yes, sir,
Speaker 2: where you can buy all four books. My adventure novel
Speaker 2: about the Vikings in North America that's no longer in print,
Speaker 2: but I'll see if I can find a copy and
Speaker 2: send it to you.
Speaker 3: That'd be so wonderful. Thank you so much. It sounds
Speaker 3: great to read.
Speaker 1: Absolutely Okay, So, as we're getting to the wrap up
Speaker 1: of this episode, I did want to ask you this.
Speaker 1: With all of the things that we have talked about
Speaker 1: this evening, from the very beginning of the anti gravity conversation,
Speaker 1: to the orbs, the different levels of alien entities, to
Speaker 1: the interdimensional, to the things that are being disclosed to
Speaker 1: us today, to the technology they're working on that's fifty
Speaker 1: years in the future that we haven't even imagined yet.
Speaker 1: What do you personally, just speaking on behalf of Peter,
Speaker 1: what do you think is about to happen next? As
Speaker 1: far as that conversation goes.
Speaker 2: That's a tough one.
Speaker 1: It is it is. There's no questions, there's no answers.
Speaker 1: That's the best part.
Speaker 3: Put the spotlight on him.
Speaker 2: I guess what I think will happen, Well, everybody's been
Speaker 2: talking about disclosure, right where the government's going to come
Speaker 2: out and they're going to say, yeah, we've had all
Speaker 2: of this stuff and working on this stuff, and yes
Speaker 2: UFO is real, and we've had contact with these entities
Speaker 2: and all this kind of stuff. I don't think that's
Speaker 2: going to happen, Okay, I don't. I think that what
Speaker 2: they might do is they might let you know, small things,
Speaker 2: unimportant things leak out, you know, from time to time.
Speaker 2: But I don't think there's going to be you know,
Speaker 2: there won't be a flying saucer that lands on the
Speaker 2: White House lawn and you know the President comes out
Speaker 2: and says, oh, there you are. You know we've been
Speaker 2: waiting for you kind of think.
Speaker 1: So, no, Operation Bluebeam is going to be in the
Speaker 1: works where We're going to just have this mass unveiling
Speaker 1: where the aliens come and introduce themselves to humanity, and
Speaker 1: it's beyond the point where the government can cover it up.
Speaker 1: That's not coming in your opinion.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think so. There is the possibility
Speaker 2: of a false flag event, sure, where the military fakes
Speaker 2: an alien invasion, and what that does is that that
Speaker 2: gives them more control because uh, and since we're talking
Speaker 2: about conspiracies, I don't. I think that the COVID thing
Speaker 2: was a test. I think it was just to see
Speaker 2: how uh how much the general population would go along
Speaker 2: with the scenario.
Speaker 4: Agreed, That's exactly what I've said from the beginning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the thing is is that the average
Speaker 2: flu is more deadly than COVID was from from the
Speaker 2: flu than they ever did from COVID, and those a
Speaker 2: lot of people that died was from taking the vaccine,
Speaker 2: and that's been documented. It's not a conspiracy. So I
Speaker 2: think that that was probably the I run and that
Speaker 2: there's something else coming where they're they're gonna do something
Speaker 2: else and it's gonna be okay. You know, You're not
Speaker 2: just going to be locked down in your houses we've
Speaker 2: got we've got femaun and we're gonna we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: we're gonna herd you into them that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I think that, you know, on the horizon,
Speaker 2: that's a possibility. As far as technology goes, I don't
Speaker 2: think we'll see a phaser.
Speaker 1: Okay, why not? As far as war fighting is concerned,
Speaker 1: especially with how they are breaking down and reinventing even
Speaker 1: the very basis of the infantry squad and the infantry
Speaker 1: fire team. They are integrating more technology by the day.
Speaker 1: Why do you think we're not going to start seeing
Speaker 1: phasers or even rail guns or something along these lines
Speaker 1: as far as our kinetic forces go.
Speaker 2: I just think that they want to keep that sort
Speaker 2: of thing secret. What what the the What they're developing
Speaker 2: now in the research that I've done, is they're developing
Speaker 2: neural links so that they can incorporate a hybrid form
Speaker 2: of a soldier that can access technology right through through
Speaker 2: its through its mind, through through the soldier's mind by
Speaker 2: thinking about things. You know, like, well, okay, in my novels,
Speaker 2: I have a neural link for the TR three B
Speaker 2: right where you have there's there's actually a crew of three,
Speaker 2: and then there's bird Brain, remember the AI computer, And
Speaker 2: they're all connected through a neural link, and that's how
Speaker 2: they fly this thing, and that's how they fight with it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you say I never saw a
Speaker 2: Pacific RIM.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm old.
Speaker 4: School, So Pacific RIM is relatively like the last decade.
Speaker 4: But they pretty much are neurlinked to these giant, massive robots,
Speaker 4: so they fight aliens here on Earth, and they are
Speaker 4: completely there's there're two pairs, some of them have three
Speaker 4: depending on how big the robots are and seth and
Speaker 4: they're completely linked to each other, to this actual vessel,
Speaker 4: and they control it through their mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the movie that I was thinking of
Speaker 2: was with Clint Eastwood back in the eighties, I think,
Speaker 2: where he steals a Russian mag and the Russian meg
Speaker 2: has been developed with a neural interface so that as
Speaker 2: he's flying the jet in combat, all he has to
Speaker 2: do is think and it fires a missile, or all
Speaker 2: he has to do is think and it you know,
Speaker 2: it goes supersonic or whatever. So so there's a there's
Speaker 2: a neural interface that connects him and the and the
Speaker 2: aircraft the same as your as your your Pacific rim right,
Speaker 2: and I think that they're getting close to that. I
Speaker 2: know that Elon Musk has been working on that.
Speaker 3: Neuralink has been implanted.
Speaker 2: And so I think that that may be something that
Speaker 2: we see in in the next few years.
Speaker 4: There's actually an AI there's a group over I forget
Speaker 4: where it is. It's overseas. I've talked about it before.
Speaker 4: You can actually look it up on YouTube. They have
Speaker 4: actually connected. They'll have a person be sitting in a
Speaker 4: room and they've neuro linked it in a way to
Speaker 4: where they're controlling the robot in and around the facility
Speaker 4: away from it, and it's doing all these things via
Speaker 4: just communicating with it through the brain waves. Essentially, you're
Speaker 4: telling it, hey, I want to walk over here, I
Speaker 4: want to pick up this, I want to do this
Speaker 4: that They're saying that it's made for people that are
Speaker 4: like quadriplegic or things like that, so that way they
Speaker 4: or their main goal is to be able to allow
Speaker 4: people to stay in their home but still work mentally
Speaker 4: out and about they've talked about that as well, say
Speaker 4: that there's an entire YouTube video you can watch where
Speaker 4: they break it down step by step and pretty much
Speaker 4: talk all about how they've been doing this. Same with
Speaker 4: the one that maps your entire memory and it shows
Speaker 4: that your photos and it breaks down differ diferent sections
Speaker 4: and it adds memory and feelings to each photo. And
Speaker 4: so as you're watching it back, you're pretty much creating
Speaker 4: your entire memory map from that specific AI.
Speaker 1: So this is why I'm terrified of AI.
Speaker 3: Oh it, it's.
Speaker 1: More and more crazy.
Speaker 2: Will us about that where the people stay in their
Speaker 2: homes and they send out an avatar they interact with
Speaker 2: the world. Yeah, and DARPA, I know is developing is
Speaker 2: working on something like that where the soldier stays in
Speaker 2: a warehouse and the and the robot that he's neural
Speaker 2: linked to goes out onto the battlefield. And that way
Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about casualties, you know, I
Speaker 2: worry about, you know, the human casualty aspect. The robot
Speaker 2: gets blows up, gets blown up, you just bring out
Speaker 2: another robot.
Speaker 1: And they're developing normal robots these days right now. How
Speaker 1: the BMW plant, As a matter of fact, they just
Speaker 1: retired like ten thousand robots that they were using to
Speaker 1: build their cars because they started getting dinged up and
Speaker 1: they're not functioning to the to thefficiency level that they
Speaker 1: did when they first bought them, But that's the there's doing.
Speaker 1: They're doing so much more development with robotics by the day.
Speaker 1: Elon is trying to be at the forefront of that,
Speaker 1: as well as being at the forefront of space exploration
Speaker 1: and having reusable rockets Mars itself. Now, let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, mister Peter, what is your thoughts on if
Speaker 1: Elon is going to be the first human to try
Speaker 1: to colonize Mars. Do you think he'll succeed in that
Speaker 1: or do you think it will be a government entity itself.
Speaker 3: Well, here he said that they are on Mars currently.
Speaker 1: That's true, So.
Speaker 2: That was there's a base on Mars. Now, I think
Speaker 2: that Elon will be surprised when he gets there and
Speaker 2: realizes somebody beat him to.
Speaker 1: It, damn.
Speaker 2: But but then, you know, the thing is is that
Speaker 2: the military.
Speaker 6: And uh you know, uh, the the the secret Space program,
Speaker 6: they have a lot of pull and so you know
Speaker 6: if if if somebody you know, tries to crowd they're
Speaker 6: not going to let them.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Sure, Elon, you can land on Mars, but you're going
Speaker 2: to be on the opposite side of the planet from us,
Speaker 2: so that you won't affect our operations. Uh, you know
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. I mean with with China and
Speaker 2: India landing probes on the Moon on the dark side
Speaker 2: of the moon.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You got to remember, these guys have cloaking technology, so
Speaker 2: you know, they can just cloak their base, yes, and
Speaker 2: and the probes can't see it. Uh you know, but again,
Speaker 2: I don't think that they would let them get close
Speaker 2: enough that they would be an intrusion. So, and that's
Speaker 2: just my personal opinion. I'm not saying, you know, emphatically
Speaker 2: or anything like that. That's just I believe, you know,
Speaker 2: based on what I've you know, the research I've done
Speaker 2: on them, I think that that's probably their their standard
Speaker 2: operating procedure.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, wow, all right, Well, I think we
Speaker 1: have kept you on long enough. I would love have
Speaker 1: you come back on the show as a guest at
Speaker 1: a later dates. We could go even further into some
Speaker 1: of these things. There were some questions that I wish
Speaker 1: I could have gotten to ask you, but I know
Speaker 1: that you know, time is of the essence on this one.
Speaker 1: Writ Yeah, We've.
Speaker 2: Got this has been a blast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a ton of books. I have a
Speaker 3: ton of notes, take.
Speaker 2: A list, and and I'd love to come back.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I'm gonna read you.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna at least read one or two of your
Speaker 4: novels before you come back.
Speaker 3: And I read quickly, so it's not it's not a deal.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, indeed, all right. So, uh, mister Fuller, if
Speaker 1: anybody would like to reach out to you and would
Speaker 1: like to ask you these questions or find more information
Speaker 1: about your book, your research, your armor, whatever the case,
Speaker 1: where could the good cult members find you?
Speaker 2: Well, you have my my email address. Just give them
Speaker 2: my email address. I'm happy to answer whatever questions anybody has,
Speaker 2: and I do that even now, you know, like from
Speaker 2: my website, like how you found me. You know, people
Speaker 2: email me and they ask me different things. I'm happy
Speaker 2: to answer any questions or you know, dialogue. I've actually
Speaker 2: made a couple of friends over the years and we
Speaker 2: converse back and forth. So you know what, I'm not
Speaker 2: one of these guys that is really super private. You know.
Speaker 2: People take the time to read my novels, then I
Speaker 2: say thank you by making myself available.
Speaker 3: Okay, what is your website's name?
Speaker 2: Just so everybody knows it's www dot solar dash Warden
Speaker 2: dot com.
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