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<v Speaker 1>Oh bed of far Hello and welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I'm the Cajun Night,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Raving And today we have on a very very

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<v Speaker 1>special guest, the Man, the Mitt, the Legend, Peter Fuller.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the show this year me Sarah.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you for having me on your podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely so for all the good Cult members that may

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<v Speaker 1>not know much about mister Fuller. Here he is here

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about secret space projects and operations that have

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<v Speaker 1>been conducted. But before we get to that, just in

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<v Speaker 1>the prelude before the show and the little you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the bullshit that went on for about five to ten

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<v Speaker 1>minutes before we started, somehow we got on the topic

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<v Speaker 1>of armor and combat and medieval fighting in these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Come to find out, mister Peter here has been around

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<v Speaker 1>the block of time or two. So, okay, you got

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<v Speaker 1>started in armor smithing originally for the sense of combat

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<v Speaker 1>or was it more of the artistry side of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Then you went into the combat side.

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<v Speaker 2>No, what happened was this This is kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>long story. We got time as much as I can.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was four years old, this guy came to

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<v Speaker 2>the door selling Ah Jack's laundry detergent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was back in the mid nineteen sixties. And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dating myself, that's okay. And I was four years

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<v Speaker 2>old and this was in the age of door to

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<v Speaker 2>door salesman. So he came to the door selling Ajax

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<v Speaker 2>Longer Detergent, and on television at that time, they had

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<v Speaker 2>these commercials for Ajax and they had a white knight

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<v Speaker 2>who had joust with the clothesline to get the clothes clean.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>So this salesman was wearing a suit of armor painted white.

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<v Speaker 1>A door to door salesman wearing armor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's wearing a suit of armor painted white. And

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<v Speaker 2>so for a very impressionable four year old, that was

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<v Speaker 2>a seminal moment in my life. And he gave his

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<v Speaker 2>sales pitch to my mom and then I spent the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the morning watching him at the front window,

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<v Speaker 2>watching him walk up and down the street. And from

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<v Speaker 2>that moment on, I was hooked on all things medieval.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to, you know, I had to drive

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<v Speaker 2>my parents crazy asking for books and models and toys

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever I could that was related to medieval armor.

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<v Speaker 2>And somewhere along the line, I realized that if I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to have my own armor. I was just going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to make it myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, there's not many armor smiths in the game in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Well now there's more than there used to be,

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<v Speaker 1>but especially in that timeframe, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There there was no access to it. I mean all

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<v Speaker 2>there was was either were a few armorers who you know,

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<v Speaker 2>probably lived in Europe and that kind of thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was no access to anything like that where I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was living in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, and so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just my grandfather taught metallurgical analysis during the Second

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<v Speaker 2>World War, so I picked his brain and just I

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<v Speaker 2>bought myself an anvil and some hammers and got some

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<v Speaker 2>sheet metal and just started banging away. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>oh boy, went nineteen eighty. Wow. I was twenty years

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<v Speaker 2>old at the time, and so started making it. And

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<v Speaker 2>then it just kind of grew from there. And in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety seven, I think I started my business Medieval Reproductions,

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<v Speaker 2>where I actually you know, made armor for sale, not

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<v Speaker 2>just for myself. And then in the midnight and the

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<v Speaker 2>mid well the late nineteen nineties, I started fighting in

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<v Speaker 2>armor okay, and I had some friends who were in

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<v Speaker 2>the SCA. But my passion was historical accuracy. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>the SCA there are, there are factions of the SCA

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<v Speaker 2>are very historically accurate, but for the most part, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was not quite what I was looking for. I

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<v Speaker 2>started my own group.

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<v Speaker 1>Any of our listeners that may not know what SCA is,

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<v Speaker 1>it is A. I mean, I talk about Boo Hurt

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<v Speaker 1>a good bit because that's what I do. But a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the fighters that are in Boo Heard started

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<v Speaker 1>off with SCA or HIMA or some other type of

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<v Speaker 1>medieval martial arts style fighting SCA. I'm trying to remember

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<v Speaker 1>what the acronym stands for.

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<v Speaker 2>The society creative anachronism.

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<v Speaker 1>Creative an acronym basically uh, reenactment so like the Civil War, No,

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<v Speaker 1>like reenactment or you're actually like physically fighting an acronyms

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<v Speaker 1>not I didn't hear what it was.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't want to use the term of arpers

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<v Speaker 1>because that's inaccurate and a lot of SCA nerds will

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<v Speaker 1>get mad at me for that one. But it's also

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<v Speaker 1>foam fighting, oh okay, okay, which is really fun. For

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<v Speaker 1>the record, I have.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing because his designs were so elaborate and so intense.

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<v Speaker 3>I would not want to ruin it. I we're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to scratch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so what sea you're allowed to fight with? Essentially

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<v Speaker 1>you could go with a pot on your head, a

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<v Speaker 1>very thick leather belt and like some very basic hockey

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<v Speaker 1>gloves and like you're good to fight because it's all

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<v Speaker 1>foam and britann weapons, which you might get some bruises,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're not going to get seriously injured from it

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're going out of your way to get injured.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's super fun and they have whole regional things.

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<v Speaker 1>A friend of mine is a double duke.

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<v Speaker 3>It's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>There's kingdoms, there's there's it's it's really fun time, absolutely fun. However,

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<v Speaker 1>boo hurt. Like the bare bones minimum is you're wearing

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<v Speaker 1>eighty pounds of armor, and if you're getting really fancy

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<v Speaker 1>with it with the titanium, you might get away with

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<v Speaker 1>about fifty pounds of armor. But then it depends on

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<v Speaker 1>which section of your armor you're trying to use. For Titan,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't use a helmet out of it, so like

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<v Speaker 1>either way you go, it's just a different level of fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>So that being said, you started making armor to fight,

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<v Speaker 1>and you had friends that were in SCA. Now when

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<v Speaker 1>you started fighting, what style of medieval fighting was this?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it long storre duels? Was it more of a

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<v Speaker 1>mma style?

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<v Speaker 2>Was shield?

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<v Speaker 1>Sword and shield? Okay? Yes, and DC y'all never got

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<v Speaker 1>down with axes or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of us did. Yeah, we we we mixed up

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<v Speaker 2>the weapons a little bit. We did some some pull

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<v Speaker 2>arm fighting and yeah, but it was primarily sordid shield.

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<v Speaker 2>It was you know, uh, And and we developed our

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<v Speaker 2>own fighting style very good.

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<v Speaker 1>So the acts I have this is the ax I

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<v Speaker 1>use on five on five meles. That's the sword that

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<v Speaker 1>I use primarily for duels. That that's an ro a

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<v Speaker 1>helm that is stainless that I have, and the brigandine

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<v Speaker 1>behind it is actually titanium. I use that for mma fights.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The brigandine and the rest of the kit that I

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<v Speaker 1>wear for like five on five melees. It's a little heavier,

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<v Speaker 1>but it covers more you know, uh, more area for

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<v Speaker 1>lack of better words. And it's uh, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>ten forty but yeah, so, and I'm actually saying you

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<v Speaker 1>completely understand what I'm saying at this point, which is

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<v Speaker 1>really rare to have a guest that gets it, but

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<v Speaker 1>right now, very much, okay, yes, indeed, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And my armor was originally mild steel and then I

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<v Speaker 2>went to uh to carbon steel Okay, treated carbon steel,

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<v Speaker 2>so I didn't have to worry too much about dents

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that. And you can use you can

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<v Speaker 2>use thinner metal. Most of my armor was like helmet

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<v Speaker 2>and breastplate were fourteen gauge. Most everything else was sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>gauge except for the gauntlet fingers that they were usually

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen gauge.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I had finger gauntlets. I had the mits

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<v Speaker 1>strictly because it's easier, but the finger gauntless. They looked

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<v Speaker 1>so badass. I love them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my gauntlets, like my armor was late fourteenth century, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had what we're referred to as the hourglass gauntlets. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they were full fingers. One second, here, just

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<v Speaker 2>let me grab this back here.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, so my kid is twelfth to thirteenth century English.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the deal with Boohert. You have to use

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<v Speaker 1>the weapons to the armor in region of the world

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<v Speaker 1>that you are assigned, as far as your kit is concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>So like if you're wearing a bar boot helmet must

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<v Speaker 1>be Spanish styled. And some of the more creative and

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, beautiful armors that are being fielded right

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<v Speaker 1>now are the Samurai kits from Japan top to bottom

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<v Speaker 1>steel Samurai kids, and they're able to use katanas. It's

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<v Speaker 1>gorgeous but also so expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>Good god, I've made I've made Japanese armor. Yes, man,

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<v Speaker 2>these are from Paladin Press. They're defunct now, but back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day I did a couple of videos for them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>how to make a a medieval great helm for so cool?

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<v Speaker 2>And then this video or the DVD, I guess how

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<v Speaker 2>to make a pair of hour glass scauntlets. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>pull it back so you can see the Yes, indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>these are. These are step by step a d v D.

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<v Speaker 2>You can take it into your shop. And there's another

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of the name of the of

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<v Speaker 2>the of the the company, but they they bought the

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<v Speaker 2>rights for these both these videos from Paladin when Paladin dissolved.

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<v Speaker 2>And they also come with patterns. Wow. So you you

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<v Speaker 2>you get the you get the DVD and you get

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<v Speaker 2>the patterns with it and you and you can walk

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<v Speaker 2>through the DVD and you can make your own set

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<v Speaker 2>of our glass scauntlets or a great help same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>The the the initial idea was is we wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>take you step by step through the construction of an

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<v Speaker 2>entire suit of armor from the late fourteenth century. But

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately they didn't sell as well as Peladin wanted them to,

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<v Speaker 2>so they cut them off after the to the.

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<v Speaker 4>Two DVDs, I'm a step by step person that would

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<v Speaker 4>help me.

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<v Speaker 1>So little did they know there'd be such a market

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<v Speaker 1>for it in this day and age, because the uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the armored m m A community has actually taken off

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<v Speaker 1>in pretty substantial ways, and now you have armor smiths

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<v Speaker 1>all of the world. Like my helm was made in Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>the chest was made in Russia, my arms and legs

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<v Speaker 1>were made in India. I think my gauntlets and my

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<v Speaker 1>sabotines are made in Mexico, and there's there's some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>decent armor smiths in America, but it's not to the

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<v Speaker 1>level of some of these guys that have had shops

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<v Speaker 1>operating for decades doing the work.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, Well, I worked in the Glenbow Museum

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<v Speaker 2>in Calgary here for eight years in the military history department,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically with their arms and Armor Collection, which was the

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<v Speaker 2>second largest collection in Canada.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I learned an awful lot while I was there,

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<v Speaker 2>and it really helped me to fine tune my armor

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<v Speaker 2>because I would be working with the real thing all

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<v Speaker 2>day long. Then I would go home and I would

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<v Speaker 2>replicate what I had seen. Yeah, you know during the

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<v Speaker 2>day while I was working with authentic armor. Not a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of armorers have that opportunity, and so they can

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<v Speaker 2>only take their their armor construction to a certain level

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<v Speaker 2>and then they just don't get past that right. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, working with it daily really gave me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>So absolutely, I'm what a random chance meeting that one

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<v Speaker 1>of our guests would be to this level of fandom

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<v Speaker 1>and nerddom that I am also into. I love this.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you show some of the pictures that you did.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got to see them beforehand, but I would love

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<v Speaker 4>for everybody to be able to see your actual suits

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<v Speaker 4>that you've made.

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<v Speaker 2>There, fantastic space program notes all spread out on my

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<v Speaker 1>I promise we're going to get to the secret space programs.

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<v Speaker 1>I promise. But also this is this is such a

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's pretty cool though.

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<v Speaker 4>So the one that you is in the museum is

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<v Speaker 1>And I also want to ask, because these pictures you're

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<v Speaker 1>about to show you showed us a lot of brigandine

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<v Speaker 1>that you made as far as your care asses were concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever fight with full plate carasses?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a transitional armor that I made.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Circa thirteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have chain mail going down to the elbows almost.

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<v Speaker 1>You have chain mail going down a good portion of

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<v Speaker 1>the forearm actually, okay, so in my sport, chain mail

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with this armor, historically they wouldn't normally have bombraces

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<v Speaker 2>the plate arms. They would just have the mail shirt

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<v Speaker 2>underneath the coat of plates and it would extend down

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<v Speaker 1>Right. The only reason they don't let us use it

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<v Speaker 1>mail NonStop. So they allow us to use it to

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<v Speaker 1>wear a gorge. But I actually that roa helm I

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<v Speaker 1>miil to where I don't have to wear gorge because

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, this is the armor that I fought in, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>like thirteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's probably you were amazing at this full plate armor.

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<v Speaker 2>That is incredible. I don't know if you can see it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've got quilted padding underneath the avent tail, which

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<v Speaker 2>helmet yep, and so it's very it's very protective. I've

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<v Speaker 3>How much did you sell those for when you were

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<v Speaker 3>creating them?

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<v Speaker 1>Good question?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, how much did.

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<v Speaker 3>You sell them for when you were creating them?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Well it depended. This particular armor I would sell

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<v Speaker 2>for about twenty five thousand, Okay, not Canadian, but you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to remember that it takes, you know, almost four

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I tell people that are trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>just to get app to your kid put together and

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<v Speaker 1>very loosely fitting and not very curtailed to you for

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of a kid, that is very specifically made

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<v Speaker 2>So it's well, yeah, and I was a custom armorer,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, it wasn't I wasn't just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I would have to take measurements and castings in that

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<v Speaker 2>it was it fit properly and they you know, they

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<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, this might be a really dumb question, but

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<v Speaker 4>what happens if people gain.

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<v Speaker 1>Weight, like get new armor?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have to get okay?

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I didn't know if there was like

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<v Speaker 3>I've just always wondered that.

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<v Speaker 1>And depends depending on the type of armor that you're

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<v Speaker 1>they do have a few holes, so you have a

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<v Speaker 1>some like the full plate. There's some buckles on the

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<v Speaker 1>side that you might be able to cheat a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're talking very little bit of cheating here and there. Realistically,

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<v Speaker 1>if you if you don't fight for six months to

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<v Speaker 1>a year and gain thirty pounds and you either A

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<v Speaker 1>gym quick. It's yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the helmet of bail Wolf that I made

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<v Speaker 2>for a customer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that is a gorgeous Nordic nasal helm.

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<v Speaker 4>For those of you that want to actually see what

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<v Speaker 4>we're looking at, you need to hit Patreon and be

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<v Speaker 4>able to.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch you do. If you want to see what we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about, good cult members, these gorgeous armor that

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<v Speaker 1>this gentleman is showing us, then you need to check

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<v Speaker 1>I said at patreon dot com slash could conspiracy. It

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<v Speaker 1>is the only place to have our videos and also

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<v Speaker 1>get the commercial for absolutely. Oh man, this is awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>I was paying attention to helmet. I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my great helm. Whoa, whoa, and you made

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<v Speaker 2>the crest. It's it's all wood. The wings are our leathers.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was for show, not for fighting obviously, right.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I wouldn't fight in this, okay, events I would.

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<v Speaker 2>I would set up a display kind of in front

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<v Speaker 2>of my tent, and I would have my shield and

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<v Speaker 2>I would have my helm and what else did I have?

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<v Speaker 3>I know I would be in that. I would be

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<v Speaker 3>in there in a heartbeat.

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<v Speaker 2>This okay, Here, I'll show you the Clifford armor. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So this is the Clifford armor.

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<v Speaker 3>So that took you three years, she said, that's on.

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<v Speaker 2>The fire over the fireplace in the Great Hall of

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<v Speaker 2>the castle, Appleby Castle in Cumbria in England. And so,

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<v Speaker 2>as I mentioned to you guys before, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>Who was the person who that armor was originally intended for?

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<v Speaker 1>Historically speaking, I'm trying to remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, George Clifford. He was Queen Elizabeth, the first champion yep, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So he he had this armor made when she uh

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<v Speaker 2>invested him with with being her champion.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the coloration was from blueing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's heat, it's heat blued, and then it's etched

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<v Speaker 2>acid etched. Yeah, and then all of that gold is

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen care well no twenty three care gold Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, absolutely phenomenally gorgeous like that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is an actual true calling on your life, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a hobby.

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<v Speaker 3>You were a true artist.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for that. I appreciate I appreciate you saying

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<v Speaker 2>that it was it was Yeah, it was a passion.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you could say it was a passion of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a helmet an mat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And that's also with gold and heat blueing. Correct, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And everywhere you see the gold there's acid.

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<v Speaker 4>You I don't know, I don't Yeah, this is not

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<v Speaker 4>a hobby you were. You were absolutely fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen pictures of that particular set of armor so

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<v Speaker 1>many times. Really, I I'd never in a million years

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<v Speaker 1>thought that I would meet the armorer who actually made it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, these are the gauntlets.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, this is so gorgeous. He's fan growing so

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<v Speaker 3>hard right now.

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<v Speaker 1>What a great episode. Cult members, listen, what an amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is. This is a horse the only horse armor

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<v Speaker 2>I ever made.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh that was styled off of which year in country?

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<v Speaker 2>If you're pancrats armor and the Wallace collection?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, did you ever make any winged Hussar armor

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<v Speaker 1>in your time unfortunately. No, okay, okay, just asking. I've

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<v Speaker 1>only seen two people fight with that kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Here's a pair of hour glass countlets that I made. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>with all of the fittings that Now, this, the original

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<v Speaker 2>of this set of gauntlets is in uh. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's in the museum in Florence. Okay, So if you

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<v Speaker 2>look closely, you can see the little the little acorns

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<v Speaker 2>and things there. Yep, the original has those, so I've

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>So I like your dedication to historic accuracy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't still do any kind of moonlight armorsmithing, do you, sir?

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<v Speaker 2>No, Because what happened was was I injured my shoulder

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<v Speaker 2>and I had surgery on my shoulder but it was

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<v Speaker 2>not successful.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Way that ended my armor making career. I had the

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<v Speaker 2>same injury. Well, I also had tendonitis in my elbows, both.

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<v Speaker 1>Elbows from the fighting, I take.

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<v Speaker 2>It from the Yeah, founding forty years of pounding on

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<v Speaker 2>an anvil. Rob Macpherson had the same injury, and so

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<v Speaker 2>did Hugo Serrano. Yeah, and we talked. We talked about Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Hugo was able to go back and continue. Rob wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And but what he did was he had an armor

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<v Speaker 2>that he was working on at the time of his injury,

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<v Speaker 2>and he went back and finished it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, where was Rob based out of? I remember hearing

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<v Speaker 1>that name.

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<v Speaker 2>You go.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he's still in the game anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've seen kids that he's put together. Where was

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<v Speaker 1>Rob based out of?

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<v Speaker 2>He was New York? Okay, new York state somewhere got

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<v Speaker 2>you got you if I remember correctly. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's not making armor anymore. I was able

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<v Speaker 2>to continue. I had surgery on both elbows and they

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<v Speaker 2>were successful. So I was able to continue making armor

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<v Speaker 2>until my shoulder injury, and then that just ended my

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<v Speaker 2>armor making career. So that's now what I do is

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<v Speaker 2>I write military science fiction. There you go, right, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so now I'm writing novels instead of making armor, although

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<v Speaker 2>armor is still a passion of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever watch armored MMA fights or anything around

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<v Speaker 1>the Blue hurt Field?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Not really. No. This was a shield I made,

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<v Speaker 2>was a copy of the shield of the Black Prince.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, indeed, again that's twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Three carrot gold on those on those leopards.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, man, so this he would die to have that.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, this is actually the shield that I

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<v Speaker 1>use for my fighting. And uh yeah, so I'm actually

429
00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:23.799
<v Speaker 1>long story short, I hold a knighthood, so I was

430
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<v Speaker 1>able to put somewhat of a crest on it or

431
00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:30.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, sigil of any means. But I'm actually soon

432
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:33.599
<v Speaker 1>getting my own maid and I'm going to be repainting

433
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.200
<v Speaker 1>the shield with my own family crest on it. But yes,

434
00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:37.599
<v Speaker 1>I need to get.

435
00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Style put my family crest on my shield.

436
00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely well, I mean why not, right, that's yeah.

437
00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.599
<v Speaker 2>Here's a For a while I owned a horse.

438
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:52.519
<v Speaker 1>So did you get involved with jousting?

439
00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:54.119
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

440
00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Never got into jousting.

441
00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

442
00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:59.559
<v Speaker 2>He became a hole in the ground that I that

443
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I pour money into. Yeah, because I was training him

444
00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:04.319
<v Speaker 2>to be a war horse to fight and reenacting.

445
00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that takes time and money. You ain't lying.

446
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It turned out that my kids needed to go

447
00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:10.640
<v Speaker 2>to college, so I had to go.

448
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.119
<v Speaker 3>Man, those kids, damn.

449
00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Then it was very sad that day when I when

450
00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:20.640
<v Speaker 2>I when they loaded him on the trailer and took

451
00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:21.160
<v Speaker 2>them away.

452
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Wow. So when was your last fight. Sorry, when was

453
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:27.440
<v Speaker 1>your last fight in armor?

454
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Boy, let's see, that would have been twenty eighteen

455
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:39.079
<v Speaker 2>something like that.

456
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so up until fairly recently you were still getting

457
00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:43.480
<v Speaker 1>in there and getting some swings in.

458
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yes, indeed, So.

459
00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:49.559
<v Speaker 1>You and your friends created your own league for fighting.

460
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.720
<v Speaker 1>You weren't a affiliated with Well, in America we have

461
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:57.319
<v Speaker 1>ACS and then there's the AWC, and there's a few

462
00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.759
<v Speaker 1>other small groups that are trying to get more well

463
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.519
<v Speaker 1>recognized and anything like this. But y'all started your own.

464
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Was it a local thing or did y'all travel all

465
00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:06.799
<v Speaker 1>over the country?

466
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:10.279
<v Speaker 2>No, it was it was local. We went to different events.

467
00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:15.079
<v Speaker 2>We went to re enactment of the Battle of Hastings,

468
00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.599
<v Speaker 2>very good in the original battlefield in two thousand.

469
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Wow, how many were out there for that? I remember

470
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:23.920
<v Speaker 1>hearing about the re enactment in two thousand.

471
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well there's they do it every five years or

472
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:33.680
<v Speaker 2>something like that. And we just happened to, you know,

473
00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:38.799
<v Speaker 2>have the money right right and be available, and we

474
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>put our kits together and they were real sticklers for

475
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:48.079
<v Speaker 2>for historical accuracy. I mean, we had to we had

476
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>to find the right raw silk to make our tunics

477
00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:52.559
<v Speaker 2>from and all that kind of stuff. But it was

478
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:58.039
<v Speaker 2>last It was thirteen hundred combatants on the field. Wow, huge,

479
00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:02.039
<v Speaker 2>putting one hundred cavalry and unfortunate only I didn't. I

480
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:05.720
<v Speaker 2>bought my horse after that event, so I wasn't able

481
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:07.640
<v Speaker 2>to take a horse. I was in the I was

482
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:08.400
<v Speaker 2>in the infantry.

483
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:13.279
<v Speaker 4>But even the game, that's a massive, massive get together

484
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:14.000
<v Speaker 4>of everybody.

485
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh ye, that's a massive expenditure that many horses from

486
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:19.079
<v Speaker 1>all over the world that would have to fly in

487
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>for that, because war horses are something that legit. You

488
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 1>can't just take some horses, throw some ormro on them

489
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:25.279
<v Speaker 1>and be good for reenactment. The clanking of the metal

490
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.359
<v Speaker 1>scares the shit out of them. It's I know.

491
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.519
<v Speaker 4>I used to work with horses. I worked with Arabians yep,

492
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:31.599
<v Speaker 4>thirty seven of.

493
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Them and they are the most spinicky.

494
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:38.720
<v Speaker 4>Hot blood horses ever that like a tree will scare

495
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:40.119
<v Speaker 4>them literally.

496
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.440
<v Speaker 2>And my horse was a gelding, so he didn't. He wasn't,

497
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:48.319
<v Speaker 2>but he was a little more mild manner than the

498
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:51.960
<v Speaker 2>no stallion would be. But yeah, the problem is I

499
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.400
<v Speaker 2>know a couple of guys who bought horses and you know,

500
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:57.240
<v Speaker 2>they got so excited. They went in and put on

501
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.119
<v Speaker 2>their armor and then walked out and the horse just

502
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>freaked out, just bolted to the far end of the

503
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:06.720
<v Speaker 2>the property. And it took took one guy had to

504
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.519
<v Speaker 2>sell his horse. He just couldn't get it acclimatized to

505
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 2>armor and loud noises and that sort of thing. The

506
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:14.759
<v Speaker 2>other guy took him years.

507
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:18.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, specific horses are better with it than other types

508
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:21.799
<v Speaker 4>of horses. I'll say that there are certain times certain

509
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:25.160
<v Speaker 4>breeds that can handle going into war versus other kinds

510
00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.920
<v Speaker 4>that are just not made for that at all.

511
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:31.839
<v Speaker 2>The horse was originally.

512
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:34.839
<v Speaker 3>Used for hunting, okay, so use a loud noises.

513
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:37.759
<v Speaker 2>Guys would go out and they would hunt, right. So

514
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>it was used to yeah, the firearms. It was used

515
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.079
<v Speaker 2>to the you know, the blood and guts and all

516
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>would just stand there and look at it kind of thing.

517
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:49.200
<v Speaker 2>So he was he was, Yeah, he was a good choice.

518
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 2>He was a Clyde throwbread cross.

519
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:54.160
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna say, Clydes are Clydes are fantastic for

520
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:58.400
<v Speaker 4>being calm. They're very calm horses to be able to handle.

521
00:27:58.119 --> 00:27:59.839
<v Speaker 2>A lot of He didn't look like a Clyde though.

522
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.559
<v Speaker 2>That was a nice thing. He was eighteen hands tall.

523
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:04.759
<v Speaker 3>Oh he's a big boy, and he had.

524
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:09.079
<v Speaker 2>The thickest neck. Yeah, but he was, you know he was.

525
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I bought him because he looked like a war horse.

526
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean they're also there muscle density, they're strong

527
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and for carrying armor for a horse like it's you're

528
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:18.759
<v Speaker 1>gonna need that for sure.

529
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was. He was close to one thousand pounds

530
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 2>when he galloped. The ground shook.

531
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:29.079
<v Speaker 3>It's a big boy. That's a big one. Yeah, that's crazy, man,

532
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:30.480
<v Speaker 3>I want to do this.

533
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.799
<v Speaker 4>See, I've actually looked into Okay, LARPing is not the same,

534
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:36.839
<v Speaker 4>but I've actually looked into LARPing for years down here

535
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.119
<v Speaker 4>in the South, and they don't really have like a

536
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Speaker 4>strong group. It comes and goes, it fluctuates. I've kind

537
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 4>of got up with people before and then it like

538
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.559
<v Speaker 4>fizzled out, and I'm.

539
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.079
<v Speaker 1>Just has a massive community of it. I will say

540
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:51.160
<v Speaker 1>that if you're willing to make road trips, Texas has

541
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:51.799
<v Speaker 1>a very.

542
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.799
<v Speaker 3>Large I love all of that though.

543
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.599
<v Speaker 4>I've always I mean, I like historical accuracy, but I

544
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.480
<v Speaker 4>also super into fantasy, so I'm not gonna lie. I

545
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:01.720
<v Speaker 4>probably would be out there as a wizard.

546
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:05.880
<v Speaker 2>You know that's that's what LARK is kind of all. Yeah,

547
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:09.880
<v Speaker 2>it's sort of the fantasy component, whereas there are other,

548
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:15.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, groups that focus more on historical historical accuracy.

549
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.039
<v Speaker 2>And that's the one thing about the Society for Creative Anachronism.

550
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:23.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they do have ah a historical component that

551
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, if if that's what you're into, you can

552
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>hook up with them. And like at Estrella in in Arizona,

553
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:35.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, they they have a historical component, and I

554
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:37.359
<v Speaker 2>mean they do it to the nines.

555
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.000
<v Speaker 4>We actually were just in d C for the Marine

556
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.480
<v Speaker 4>Corps two and fiftieth birthday and there was a lot

557
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:48.160
<v Speaker 4>of people that were addressed in traditional Marine Corps attire

558
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:51.240
<v Speaker 4>from different different eras, and so we actually talked a

559
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.240
<v Speaker 4>good bit with them and seeing I was supposed to

560
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:56.160
<v Speaker 4>contact a couple of the women, but yeah, they were

561
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.200
<v Speaker 4>talking about where they are going in different events that

562
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.880
<v Speaker 4>they do pick your time your civil war, right.

563
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for me to have this beard, I would have

564
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>to find something civil war or back because I'm not

565
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:10.759
<v Speaker 1>shaving my beard for a reenactment. I'm sorry to be

566
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.720
<v Speaker 1>five years to grow this, but you know, but we were.

567
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:16.839
<v Speaker 2>When we were at Hastings. There were guys that that

568
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.599
<v Speaker 2>shaved the back of their head because on the Bayou

569
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Tapestry you can see, uh, you know, men without without

570
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:27.559
<v Speaker 2>their helmets and that on, and they actually shaved the

571
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.160
<v Speaker 2>back of their heads. So there was a quite a

572
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 2>number of guys that did that for the event.

573
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.599
<v Speaker 4>I am all for people that go hard with actually

574
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:38.759
<v Speaker 4>like getting things correct, but being extremely extra That is

575
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 4>my type of people right there.

576
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely well with with my novels I have because I

577
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:49.599
<v Speaker 2>never served in the military, and I'm a Canadian, I'm

578
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:54.599
<v Speaker 2>not an American, so my understanding of you know, the

579
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>the United States military is limited, uh, And so what

580
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:03.559
<v Speaker 2>I what I do is I have several consultants. I

581
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.799
<v Speaker 2>have a retired Navy captain. I have an active duty

582
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Air Force colonel who was a group commander at at Bogram.

583
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>And then I have I have a Marine Corps major.

584
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:24.119
<v Speaker 2>She's retired now, a lady wonderful, wonderfully and she's also

585
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:29.279
<v Speaker 2>involved in renaissance fair jousting. Nice.

586
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Leave it to the Marine female major. That's blood of

587
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:37.119
<v Speaker 1>our blood right there. I get it.

588
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.079
<v Speaker 2>But what they do, what they do is they they

589
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:44.680
<v Speaker 2>they review my my manuscripts and then they make corrections.

590
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, they wouldn't say it that way, or no,

591
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>that's not proper protocol. So so they correct all of

592
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:54.480
<v Speaker 2>my mistakes and they're invaluable and they've all become very

593
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>very good friends.

594
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.440
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome. I appreciate my Marine Corps majors.

595
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we we get along fine, because of course she

596
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:06.559
<v Speaker 2>likes the medieval stuff too.

597
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, Oh, you'll find that too. And especially in the

598
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Blue Hert community, it's so divided. There's very conservative minded

599
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>people who are typically veterans, who are there for the violence,

600
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>and then there is the super liberal groups that are

601
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>there for the historical accuracies. And all of the outside

602
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.359
<v Speaker 1>ship goes away when the helmet goes down, and we're

603
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.640
<v Speaker 1>there for the same exact reason, and we're all gonna

604
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>leave here in a lot of pain. We're all gonna

605
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>share beers after this, and it's gonna be fun. That's yeah.

606
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

607
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.000
<v Speaker 2>With with my fighting, because I was wearing full armor,

608
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:45.119
<v Speaker 2>I I didn't I didn't receive too many injuries, just

609
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.880
<v Speaker 2>the odd bruise here and there, what we used to

610
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:53.519
<v Speaker 2>call armor bites. Yeah, whereas sometimes your your armor, you

611
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:55.480
<v Speaker 2>know when you're when you're moving your arm or removing

612
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>your leg or something. Uh, you just your your your

613
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.519
<v Speaker 2>flesh through the army doublet just happens to get get

614
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 2>tweaked by a couple of plates that are coming together.

615
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.160
<v Speaker 2>And so that was the worst of it. Oh.

616
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:12.559
<v Speaker 1>We take injuries, man, a lot of bloat, broken collar bones,

617
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of I even collapse. One of my teammates

618
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>lungs with a long sword because this first time we're

619
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 1>in that titanium brig and titanium gives a bit. We

620
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.519
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that, but we found out the hard way.

621
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>A lot of broken fingers, concussions, that kind of thing.

622
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>But the worst is whenever somebody will hit you in

623
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 1>a gap and it's it's kind of a an understanding

624
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>not to gap somebody, but accidents do happen from time

625
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>to time, especially when you're in a five on five melee.

626
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:41.359
<v Speaker 1>You'll be clenched up with somebody going for a takedown.

627
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>You got some old boy about to tee off on

628
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>your spine from behind you, and it's you know, you're

629
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:47.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna leave here feeling like you got in a car wreck.

630
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:49.759
<v Speaker 1>That's that's an understanding.

631
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, Yeah, But you take it all in stride.

632
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I know there were when we were at

633
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Hastings there were a couple of guys that they had

634
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>to call the ambulance for, yeah, the injury. But we

635
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:06.039
<v Speaker 2>were just wearing male homeworks and the Norman conical helmets.

636
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, so they were definitely getting hit.

637
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, we had the kite shields and so we you know,

638
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 2>we were trained and sword and shield. So uh, you know,

639
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.920
<v Speaker 2>my group we were we were okay because you know,

640
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.519
<v Speaker 2>we knew, we knew, okay, that blow is coming. The

641
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.079
<v Speaker 2>shield goes between me and it, and I'm okay right

642
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.360
<v Speaker 2>right now. Every once in a while one will get through.

643
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.639
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, we came away pretty much on skate.

644
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:36.840
<v Speaker 1>So well, that's good.

645
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:38.239
<v Speaker 2>It was. It was a lot of fun.

646
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:41.519
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, well, thank you for sharing with us. We really

647
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:42.199
<v Speaker 4>appreciate it.

648
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 3>I know, so exciting right now.

649
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:47.599
<v Speaker 1>So how did you go from that type of a

650
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 1>background into the writing of, like you said, military sci fi,

651
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 1>give or take. How did that transition just happen? I

652
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 1>understand at least the military mindset of it and some

653
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.159
<v Speaker 1>historical things. I get this, But when you get into

654
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the realm of military sci fi and then the secret

655
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.960
<v Speaker 1>space operations that have taken place. It seems like a

656
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 1>bit of a drastic jump, sir.

657
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're absolutely right. I was working in the military

658
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:19.519
<v Speaker 2>history department at the Glenbolle Museum. I was working specifically

659
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.119
<v Speaker 2>with the medieval arms and armor, Renaissance arms and armor.

660
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:30.840
<v Speaker 2>But I mean the department contained you know, weapons, military

661
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.519
<v Speaker 2>weapons and that from as far back as well. We

662
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 2>had had a bronze spearhead from the Bronze.

663
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:41.400
<v Speaker 5>Age wow, in the collection, all the way up to

664
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.679
<v Speaker 5>the modern age, you know, the Second World War, Korea

665
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:47.280
<v Speaker 5>and beyond.

666
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:50.400
<v Speaker 2>So I had access to all of that. I one

667
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>of my responsibilities was to field strip and catalog all

668
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:59.199
<v Speaker 2>of the markings on the entire firearm collection. And there

669
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:03.519
<v Speaker 2>were six hundred firearms in that collection. So I became

670
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:08.360
<v Speaker 2>quite familiar with the weapons and the uniforms. But they

671
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 2>were all Canadian, sure not.

672
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:15.079
<v Speaker 1>American has definitely gotten it in. They were well known

673
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:17.599
<v Speaker 1>for their war crimes in the Second World War. Everybody

674
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.320
<v Speaker 1>thinks the Canadians are the uber polite guys like, No,

675
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 1>at one point in time, the Canadians were not about

676
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>taking prisoners. We'll say that.

677
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Germans didn't like us, No, they did not.

678
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:30.280
<v Speaker 1>It was great.

679
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 2>So they they they called us what did they call us?

680
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 2>They were the we were the men in skirts because

681
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.519
<v Speaker 2>you know we had the Highland Regiments with with the

682
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Kilts in that right. But but anyhow, I've always been

683
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 2>I've always been fascinated with with UFOs and I've always

684
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:53.159
<v Speaker 2>loved science fiction. I can remember going to the library

685
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:56.320
<v Speaker 2>and even in elementary school and looking through the science

686
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:58.840
<v Speaker 2>fiction novels to see what I could find. I just

687
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I just it was something that just triggered me, like

688
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:07.559
<v Speaker 2>the medieval stuff. And so I started writing when I

689
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.960
<v Speaker 2>was in grade school, you know, short stories and things

690
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>like that, and so I kind of had that background

691
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:18.840
<v Speaker 2>as well. And so what happened was there were a

692
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:25.559
<v Speaker 2>number of television programs where I started to hear about

693
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:31.320
<v Speaker 2>this secret space program and with my science fiction, my

694
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:35.440
<v Speaker 2>love of science fiction, that really piqued my interest. And

695
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:37.639
<v Speaker 2>then I have a friend in the US, a very

696
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:42.400
<v Speaker 2>close friend, and his dad worked for the Army back

697
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.639
<v Speaker 2>in the fifties and sixties, and I think he retired

698
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:48.599
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies and he was I guess the civilian

699
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:55.480
<v Speaker 2>version would be forensic accountant. This guy had taught top

700
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 2>secret clearance. He could go on to any military US

701
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:03.159
<v Speaker 2>military base anywhere in the world, and he could walk

702
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:05.599
<v Speaker 2>in and he could open up their books and he could,

703
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, look at their look at their their spending

704
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:17.079
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And so after he retired, he uh, he

705
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.920
<v Speaker 2>was he was talking to his boys one one summer's

706
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:24.440
<v Speaker 2>evening out on the porch. She had three sons, and

707
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:27.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess he'd had a few too many, and he

708
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:31.079
<v Speaker 2>started talking about these things that he had seen. And

709
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:38.039
<v Speaker 2>one of the things was they they And then remember

710
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:42.280
<v Speaker 2>this is in the mid nineteen sixties, right, and and

711
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 2>he said that the army had developed what we would

712
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.800
<v Speaker 2>call shields, you know, like shields up mister Szulu kind

713
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.320
<v Speaker 2>of thing, right, And so they were testing it mid

714
00:38:55.400 --> 00:39:00.519
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties. Okay, they were testing it. They hauled out

715
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.119
<v Speaker 2>a tank and they had a shield generator mounted on

716
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 2>the back of the tank, and it was bigger than

717
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 2>the engine on the tank, right, And they fired pretty

718
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.440
<v Speaker 2>much every conventional weapon they had at this think, and

719
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:18.440
<v Speaker 2>the shields defended the tank. Now, how do I know

720
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that he wasn't just pulling my leg Because of the details.

721
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:27.280
<v Speaker 2>The shield generator was larger than the engine in the tank.

722
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.920
<v Speaker 2>They couldn't figure out how to extend the shield underneath

723
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 2>the tank, so a simple landline could take it out. Okay, right,

724
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:39.039
<v Speaker 2>so these are the details that you go, Okay, yeah,

725
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:41.159
<v Speaker 2>this story's probably legit.

726
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>And when you also look at the technology of the

727
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:46.320
<v Speaker 1>day and age, I mean, a computer would have taken

728
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:48.800
<v Speaker 1>up the majority of a bit of a full room

729
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:50.960
<v Speaker 1>at that time. So when we're talking about a shield

730
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:53.760
<v Speaker 1>motor that large on the back of a tank, to

731
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.039
<v Speaker 1>the average person listening to this podcast, they might think

732
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 1>that that's crazy, But you also have to take into

733
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 1>account that day and age in that timeframe. What was

734
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the pinnacle of technology for humans at that point?

735
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, this is pre digital, this was analog, right, But

736
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:13.639
<v Speaker 2>the point I want to make with this is if

737
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 2>you take that same shield generator and mount it in

738
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.119
<v Speaker 2>an aircraft, then you have a three hundred and sixty

739
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:23.519
<v Speaker 2>degree bubble of protection. And keep in mind this is

740
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 2>mid nineteen sixties. Can you imagine what they have now.

741
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Right right?

742
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:33.320
<v Speaker 3>What type of shield? What kind of like it? Was

743
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:35.079
<v Speaker 3>it metal? Was it a force field?

744
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:38.199
<v Speaker 2>It was a force field. It was electronic force field.

745
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:41.079
<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's so I just want to clarify.

746
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and one of the other things is that

747
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:50.199
<v Speaker 2>told his boys, was they at the same time, well

748
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Captain Kirk was shooting his phaser on television. They had

749
00:40:54.280 --> 00:41:01.440
<v Speaker 2>developed a handheld raygun and so you know, the same

750
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:04.679
<v Speaker 2>type of weapon that they were using in Star Trek.

751
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.400
<v Speaker 2>The only problem was that it was extremely expensive to

752
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:12.119
<v Speaker 2>produce something like a million dollars at the time, so

753
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:16.559
<v Speaker 2>they couldn't put it into production and into use. Right,

754
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.239
<v Speaker 2>But again I have to say, okay, that was in

755
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 2>the mid nineteen sixties. What have they got now?

756
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Now with that? Let me ask you Operation star Wars

757
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:32.519
<v Speaker 1>that was spearheaded by Ronald Reagan. He was trying to

758
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>get laser cannons put on satellites and he had to

759
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:37.400
<v Speaker 1>have his top scientists bring him to a room and say,

760
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 1>mister President, we don't have that. He's like, oh, yeah,

761
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:43.119
<v Speaker 1>we do. I know we do this and no, no, no, sir, Like,

762
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:44.719
<v Speaker 1>I understand what you're trying to get at, and it's

763
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.480
<v Speaker 1>a great idea. We don't actually have the technology to

764
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:49.639
<v Speaker 1>put a laser cannon on a satellite that can go

765
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:52.119
<v Speaker 1>from space to Earth at this time. We can work

766
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.039
<v Speaker 1>on it, but we don't currently have that tech. So

767
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what for instance, with the ray gun,

768
00:41:57.679 --> 00:41:59.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this was a laser, if this

769
00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:02.239
<v Speaker 1>was like a rail gun situation, was it an energy

770
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 1>bolt or what the projectile.

771
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Was it was a directed energy weapon. Okay, but you

772
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 2>see the thing is is I've I've found information from

773
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 2>several whistleblowers that claimed that that the Space Defense Initiative,

774
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the SDI, was actually a smoke screen.

775
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now I could believe this to be honest with Yeah.

776
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.480
<v Speaker 2>So that what they were what you know, they were saying, Okay, yeah,

777
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:29.880
<v Speaker 2>we want to build this, but you know, we don't

778
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.000
<v Speaker 2>have the technology. All that kind of thing. It was.

779
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:34.840
<v Speaker 2>It was misdirection. It was getting them to look over here,

780
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 2>well they were doing something else over.

781
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.400
<v Speaker 1>There, which during the Reagan administration makes a lot of sense.

782
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean you look at what happened with the uh

783
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.559
<v Speaker 1>Iranian contra situation. He was all about like, hey, I

784
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>need you to look over in this direction, not pay

785
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:49.960
<v Speaker 1>attention to these things that are going on over here

786
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.480
<v Speaker 1>that I totally have my hand in. It's so if

787
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.559
<v Speaker 1>that was being used as smoke screen to make people

788
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:59.519
<v Speaker 1>look over at the satellite laser cannon conversation rather than

789
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.039
<v Speaker 1>what the actually were working on it Area fifty one

790
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:04.480
<v Speaker 1>or at sector four, whatever the case was. That makes

791
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:05.400
<v Speaker 1>perfect sense to me.

792
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so moving on. That was one thing that

793
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:14.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of tweaked my interest in this whole secret space

794
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.840
<v Speaker 2>program concept. And then there were a couple of television

795
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 2>programs where they actually talked specifically about the secret Space program,

796
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and of course my friend's dad his stories kind of

797
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:31.920
<v Speaker 2>gave the whole idea legs. But I think the seminal

798
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.079
<v Speaker 2>one was Hangar Won the UFO Files, where they had

799
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:40.159
<v Speaker 2>an episode that was specifically about the Secret Space Program

800
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.320
<v Speaker 2>and it was about an organization called Solar Warden and

801
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 2>it also dealt with the TR three B, the Flying Triangle.

802
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.559
<v Speaker 2>And so I watched that program and I thought, you

803
00:43:54.599 --> 00:44:00.360
<v Speaker 2>know what, that would make a really cool story. And

804
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.599
<v Speaker 2>I had written the novel previously. It was an adventure

805
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 2>novel about a Viking settlement that survives undetected to the

806
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 2>twentieth century. It's cool.

807
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:12.719
<v Speaker 4>You got me at Viking Settlement. I was like, Okay,

808
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:16.280
<v Speaker 4>now I'm reading this. So I'm a huge reader. I'm

809
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.199
<v Speaker 4>I read like, yeah, I read probably about one hundred

810
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.480
<v Speaker 4>and fifty books a year at least. I'm a huge reader.

811
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:25.960
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, you got me right away with that. Okay,

812
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:29.800
<v Speaker 4>the snow Warden, that's the program in the nineteen nineties, correct,

813
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 4>where they were like monitoring incoming and outgoing alien messages.

814
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 3>Is that that not so much messages, but for traffic, yeah,

815
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:40.559
<v Speaker 3>traffic traffic.

816
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sorry, specifically it said monitoring alien traffic in the

817
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 4>Solar system.

818
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, yeah, that's and I took that idea and

819
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:54.559
<v Speaker 2>ran with it. And I've written four novels in the series.

820
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:57.719
<v Speaker 2>It's a sixth novel series, okay, and I'm just about

821
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:02.119
<v Speaker 2>finished novel number five, but I've published. I published the

822
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:06.519
<v Speaker 2>first four novels in that series, and so that was

823
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 2>that was kind of the Yeah, that was sort of

824
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.400
<v Speaker 2>how I got into it. It was Yeah, it was

825
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.559
<v Speaker 2>just to me, it was just fascinating combining the military

826
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 2>aspects that i'd you know, i'd been dealing with, you know,

827
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:20.880
<v Speaker 2>working at the museum and that kind of thing. And

828
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.119
<v Speaker 2>and I had friends who were in the military. My

829
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:26.360
<v Speaker 2>my brother in law was in the Canadian military. He's

830
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:32.960
<v Speaker 2>actually the first Canadian serviceman to receive both the Medal

831
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:37.039
<v Speaker 2>of Valor and the Star of Courage. So he was yeah,

832
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.119
<v Speaker 2>he was a a military hero.

833
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Where was he deployed these he was?

834
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:46.880
<v Speaker 2>He was deployed in Cyprus when when Turkey took over

835
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:51.400
<v Speaker 2>the island, he was also in Where else was he?

836
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:53.679
<v Speaker 2>I think he was in the Middle East, but I'm

837
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:54.320
<v Speaker 2>not sure.

838
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of the timeframe at which he

839
00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.280
<v Speaker 1>would have been serving. He's around your age. I was

840
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 1>he in the Falklands? Like, where are we talking about here?

841
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:02.239
<v Speaker 1>You know?

842
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.199
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think he was in the Falklands, because

843
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:09.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Canada was deployed in the Falklands. I

844
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:11.360
<v Speaker 2>think that was strictly Great Britain.

845
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.360
<v Speaker 1>But when it talks about the British Commonwealth, I really

846
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.119
<v Speaker 1>don't know where this group gets pulled from and this

847
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:19.400
<v Speaker 1>group gets brought in and all these things. A lot

848
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:21.280
<v Speaker 1>of time it blends, and then a lot of times

849
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:23.960
<v Speaker 1>they're completely separate conversations. I honestly don't know.

850
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:28.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, England doesn't. Well, I mean during the Second

851
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.920
<v Speaker 2>World War, you know, we joined the Allied war effort.

852
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.880
<v Speaker 2>We were actually the Americans, the French and the British

853
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.360
<v Speaker 2>couldn't take vimy Rich yep. In the Second World War,

854
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:40.559
<v Speaker 2>the Canadians took it.

855
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:41.280
<v Speaker 1>YEP.

856
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:45.440
<v Speaker 2>We developed what was known as the creeping Barrage, and

857
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:48.480
<v Speaker 2>that's how we were able to take it. What it

858
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:52.039
<v Speaker 2>is is you have artillery fire, but instead of just

859
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:56.719
<v Speaker 2>firing out a target, once you stop firing, then all

860
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.360
<v Speaker 2>of the Germans can come out of their their tunnels

861
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:03.599
<v Speaker 2>and everything, and they can they can defend their position again.

862
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:05.880
<v Speaker 2>And that was the problem. We had to keep them

863
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.480
<v Speaker 2>down in their tunnels where they couldn't come out and

864
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:12.960
<v Speaker 2>and uh and and engage the the you know, the

865
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.960
<v Speaker 2>the the Allies as they were as they were advancing.

866
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.880
<v Speaker 2>So what we did was we developed the creeping barrage.

867
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.039
<v Speaker 2>And what that was was we would uh, we would

868
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:26.480
<v Speaker 2>fire artillery at a certain point, and then we would

869
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.800
<v Speaker 2>we would fire a second barrage that was further on,

870
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and then we would fire another barrage that was further on.

871
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 2>And so it was it was slowly moving towards the

872
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 2>position of the Germans on the top of the ridge,

873
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.239
<v Speaker 2>and our soldiers were were positioned behind that barrage, so

874
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:48.679
<v Speaker 2>they were advancing as the artillery was advancing, so that

875
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:53.519
<v Speaker 2>by the time they stopped the artillery fire, the soldiers

876
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:56.280
<v Speaker 2>were already at the ridge. So when the when the

877
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Germans came out of their tunnels. The Canadians were standing

878
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:03.480
<v Speaker 2>there with their firearms going okay, hands up, yeah, And

879
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:05.159
<v Speaker 2>that was how they took That was how they took

880
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Vimy Ridge.

881
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:09.719
<v Speaker 1>And so to us that might seem like a no a,

882
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 1>no brains idea as far as attactic goes. Obviously that's

883
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.639
<v Speaker 1>a smart idea. But keep in mind in World War two,

884
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.639
<v Speaker 1>the most recent grand scheme of shit was World War One,

885
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>where chemical warfare and trench warfare was being used. So

886
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.719
<v Speaker 1>the barrage followed by the infantry that was right behind it,

887
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:27.480
<v Speaker 1>that concept really hadn't made its way to the global

888
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:28.559
<v Speaker 1>battlefield like that.

889
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Since I have to I have to stand corrected because

890
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Vimmy Ridge was in World War One, not World War Two.

891
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry, I got ja, I got you, I got

892
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:38.000
<v Speaker 1>a mistake.

893
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 2>My boss at the museum would roll over in his grave.

894
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:47.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, I don't know history that well when

895
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:48.079
<v Speaker 3>it comes to every war.

896
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:50.679
<v Speaker 1>So I mean even still, though you look at the

897
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:54.840
<v Speaker 1>style of combat worldwide from the beginning of the nineteen

898
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.559
<v Speaker 1>hundreds until World War One, there was a massive shift

899
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.280
<v Speaker 1>that took place. I mean, yeah, you still had force

900
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>is being used. Don't get me wrong. But tank warfare

901
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:06.559
<v Speaker 1>was first introduced in World War One. World War II

902
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:10.000
<v Speaker 1>would not have happened without tank warfare. So the drastic

903
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:13.320
<v Speaker 1>shifts that took place any very short condensed amount of time,

904
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a lot of people don't really like

905
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:19.440
<v Speaker 1>let that concept sink in. We went from using essentially

906
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.039
<v Speaker 1>glorified gliders with lawnmar mowers on the front of them.

907
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:27.239
<v Speaker 1>We would call those biplanes with these pilots shooting very

908
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:31.719
<v Speaker 1>rudimentary weapons at each other, to fighter pilots and bombing

909
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:35.000
<v Speaker 1>runs and all these things. It was a drastic shift

910
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.320
<v Speaker 1>in the short condensed timeframe of give or take thirty years,

911
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 1>and on a global scale like that. There was a

912
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.639
<v Speaker 1>lot of tactics that had never been thought of before

913
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:45.760
<v Speaker 1>because they didn't have the ability to think like that

914
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:48.639
<v Speaker 1>up until that point. So, yeah, it was mind blowing shit.

915
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean at the beginning of the First World

916
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.000
<v Speaker 2>War they were dropping rocks from their planes. Right at

917
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:56.599
<v Speaker 2>the end of the war, they had machine guns mounted

918
00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:59.599
<v Speaker 2>that were timed with the propeller so that they wouldn't

919
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:00.400
<v Speaker 2>shoot them propeller.

920
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:04.719
<v Speaker 4>It's crazy how fast people can invent things, especially in more.

921
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.320
<v Speaker 1>The first dog fights I read about was these dudes

922
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.320
<v Speaker 1>and biplanes with pistols and they were flying by each other,

923
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.159
<v Speaker 1>shooting at each other with handguns essentially. And it's like

924
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.239
<v Speaker 1>in the twenty years we went from that to timed

925
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:18.880
<v Speaker 1>machine guns. Mind blowing.

926
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.039
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

927
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:25.159
<v Speaker 4>So your four books, they are all is there what

928
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.960
<v Speaker 4>kind of So they're all talking about the secret the

929
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.159
<v Speaker 4>secret space programs, Like what else? Like, is there like

930
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:35.480
<v Speaker 4>an entire story that happens, is there? Like, can you

931
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:37.599
<v Speaker 4>explain a little bit more about the books?

932
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, it's just it's about the secret space program

933
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 2>called Solar Warden and they're organized to defend Earth from

934
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:53.760
<v Speaker 2>a malevolent et enemy that is bent on enslaving and

935
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:58.920
<v Speaker 2>destroying the Earth. The thing is is that you have

936
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:02.360
<v Speaker 2>two you have two camps, if you will, within the

937
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:06.440
<v Speaker 2>UFO community. One camp says that there are space brothers

938
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.119
<v Speaker 2>and they're here to help us, right, And there's a

939
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:13.360
<v Speaker 2>growing camp that is saying, you know, based on the evidence,

940
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:15.719
<v Speaker 2>they're not our friends.

941
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've run into that a few times with some

942
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.800
<v Speaker 1>guests we've had on the show. It is a very

943
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.920
<v Speaker 1>polar opposite. Some believe that we've been contacted by essentially

944
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:28.360
<v Speaker 1>space hippies and that they're here to elevate mankind and

945
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.840
<v Speaker 1>give us enlightenment and help us grow the rest of

946
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.639
<v Speaker 1>us us both included think that this is more like

947
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:38.079
<v Speaker 1>the conquistadores that first made contact with the Aztecs. They're

948
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.400
<v Speaker 1>not here for brotherly love. They're not going to make

949
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:44.400
<v Speaker 1>contact unless they're here for a purpose, whether that's resources

950
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.679
<v Speaker 1>of many many types or conquests of some type. Like

951
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:50.199
<v Speaker 1>just and I understand, I'm looking at this through a

952
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.480
<v Speaker 1>human lens, and maybe I don't understand the mindset and

953
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:56.440
<v Speaker 1>the heart and soul of an Et, but just going

954
00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>off of historical precedence here makes way more sense that

955
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.760
<v Speaker 1>they would be here for sort of conquest rather than

956
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.639
<v Speaker 1>for sharing and aiding. I don't know.

957
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, when you write a novel, you've got

958
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.920
<v Speaker 2>to have conflict. Yeah, I mean, you know, in order

959
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.000
<v Speaker 2>to write a good story, there's got to be conflict.

960
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.280
<v Speaker 2>And basically there's there's literally got to be conflict on

961
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:21.639
<v Speaker 2>every page. And so you know, the thing is is, Okay,

962
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:25.199
<v Speaker 2>you have the good guys solar Warden in my novels,

963
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 2>and you have the bad guys who are the extraterrestrials,

964
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.760
<v Speaker 2>and they come into it. They come in different species.

965
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:36.840
<v Speaker 2>There's the grays, and there's the reptilians, and then there's

966
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.920
<v Speaker 2>what I refer to as the others who are basically

967
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:47.000
<v Speaker 2>in charge. And there's also a growing consensus amongst very

968
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 2>serious UFO researchers that these are not aliens from another

969
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:56.000
<v Speaker 2>star system. They're interdimensional, and they even go to the

970
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:57.679
<v Speaker 2>point where they say they're spiritual.

971
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:00.679
<v Speaker 1>We've heard and I was going to ask you what

972
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:03.039
<v Speaker 1>your personal belief is on this, because when we talk

973
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:06.280
<v Speaker 1>about the extraterrestrial, and I use that term as loosely

974
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.280
<v Speaker 1>with quotations as I can, I feel like, personally there's

975
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:13.639
<v Speaker 1>multiple things happening at the same time. But you'll have

976
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:16.519
<v Speaker 1>people like Tucker Carlson, who believes that when we see

977
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.679
<v Speaker 1>UFOs it's obviously angels and demons. Then you'll have people

978
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.119
<v Speaker 1>that believe that these are actually far off from the

979
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:26.360
<v Speaker 1>future humans that look different because of evolution and they've

980
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:30.000
<v Speaker 1>made time jumps back. I am of the belief personally

981
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:32.679
<v Speaker 1>that it may be life from other planets or solar

982
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 1>systems or even galaxies, and they may use interdimensional travel

983
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>as basically the same way we use an interstate right

984
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.079
<v Speaker 1>just to get from point A to point B. But

985
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.679
<v Speaker 1>then I also do believe that there are angels and

986
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>demons happening at the same time. I don't believe that

987
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.679
<v Speaker 1>the God that I worship has things oh so perfectly

988
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 1>in a neat little box. I think there's multiple levels

989
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.960
<v Speaker 1>to these things that humans don't understand. So with this

990
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:58.559
<v Speaker 1>being said, and you're bringing up other species, where are

991
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:02.039
<v Speaker 1>you at just you personally as far as this alien

992
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:05.119
<v Speaker 1>and spiritual and time, all of that goes.

993
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, I in my novels. I'll preface by saying this.

994
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:13.159
<v Speaker 2>In my novels, I have the Grays, I have the

995
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Reptilians their physical beings, right, Okay, the UFOs, the flying

996
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:24.679
<v Speaker 2>saucers are actual physical craft. But what they are is

997
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:28.440
<v Speaker 2>their tools being used by the others who are the

998
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:34.360
<v Speaker 2>interdimensional spiritual beings, and so they you know, what they're

999
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:38.480
<v Speaker 2>doing is it's all about deception. Okay, that's the thing, right,

1000
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:40.960
<v Speaker 2>It's all about deception. So what they're trying to do

1001
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:47.800
<v Speaker 2>is they're trying to convince humanity that these are aliens

1002
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.239
<v Speaker 2>from another star system, when really they're not. I've got

1003
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:56.320
<v Speaker 2>some research that says that the Grays are actually biological robots,

1004
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:59.039
<v Speaker 2>and this is This is not in my book. This

1005
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:01.880
<v Speaker 2>is this is from the research that I have done

1006
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:04.119
<v Speaker 2>into the UFO phenomenon.

1007
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I've heard this before, so this is this is not

1008
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:09.360
<v Speaker 1>new to me, but I am curious to what level

1009
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:12.360
<v Speaker 1>this goes for you and who is controlling these robots.

1010
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:15.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, I've actually never heard this, so if you could

1011
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.760
<v Speaker 4>break it down for me, that'd be awesome because I've

1012
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:20.079
<v Speaker 4>actually never heard this before. So I'm kind of I'm

1013
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.480
<v Speaker 4>the lost in the dark, so maybe somebody else might

1014
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:23.360
<v Speaker 4>not know it either.

1015
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, they're they're being they're being controlled, They're they're

1016
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:34.000
<v Speaker 2>being used as tools to to to interact with humanity,

1017
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:39.480
<v Speaker 2>especially in the alien abduction phenomenon, where people are being

1018
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:45.199
<v Speaker 2>taken against their will and they're taking they're literally taken

1019
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:50.599
<v Speaker 2>aboard these flying saucers that are real physical craft and

1020
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 2>they're experimented on.

1021
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.159
<v Speaker 1>Now, when you say biological robots, are we talking something

1022
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.599
<v Speaker 1>akin to the Terminator movies where it's a living tissue

1023
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:01.239
<v Speaker 1>on top of a cybernetic skeleton.

1024
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:04.400
<v Speaker 2>No, the whole the whole thing is is biological.

1025
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.320
<v Speaker 1>So it's a drone essentially, it's a living.

1026
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Created it's it's a it's a manufactured being has limited intelligence,

1027
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:16.320
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a soul, if you will, and it's just

1028
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:22.880
<v Speaker 2>it's basically a tool. And the reptilians are they're they're

1029
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:27.920
<v Speaker 2>they're more advanced, if you will, biologically, they're not biological robots,

1030
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:33.320
<v Speaker 2>and they control the grays. And but then there's this

1031
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:38.159
<v Speaker 2>this this paranormal element, this supernatural element, if you will,

1032
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:44.280
<v Speaker 2>that are the others, and they're the interdimensional beings. And

1033
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:47.320
<v Speaker 2>a lot of a lot of what I've discovered, to

1034
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.000
<v Speaker 2>my surprise, is that a lot of UFO researchers, and

1035
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.559
<v Speaker 2>these are serious guys, these are not flakes, but they've

1036
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:59.000
<v Speaker 2>come to believe that these beings are actually demonic. And

1037
00:56:59.039 --> 00:56:59.880
<v Speaker 2>that's their.

1038
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Word, not mine, right, Okay.

1039
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:07.760
<v Speaker 2>People like Jay Allen Heinek and Jacques Valat and John Keel,

1040
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Catherine Austin Fitz from the Solari Report, they all believe

1041
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:18.159
<v Speaker 2>that these beings are are demonic. Just complain and simple.

1042
00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:21.239
<v Speaker 1>So we're talking about the beings that are controlling the reptilians,

1043
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:23.559
<v Speaker 1>that are controlling the greats. That's what we're talking about.

1044
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.599
<v Speaker 3>In dimensional ones, Okay.

1045
00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:30.519
<v Speaker 2>And so I take that element and I incorporated into

1046
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:35.480
<v Speaker 2>my my novels and I have those different layers of

1047
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:41.000
<v Speaker 2>of entities, if you will. And so they're again they're

1048
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:44.639
<v Speaker 2>their motives, like you say, the conquistadors, their motives are

1049
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:48.599
<v Speaker 2>not good. They're here to manipulate us and to use us.

1050
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Some of the research I've done, and they say that

1051
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Speaker 2>they just want to use the Earth as a as

1052
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>a giant resource and just strip mine humanity, strip mine

1053
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.559
<v Speaker 2>of planet, and just take it all for their own use.

1054
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:07.079
<v Speaker 1>And that that also leads to so many other hypothetical conversations. Right,

1055
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.559
<v Speaker 1>what is the resource that they need? Right, depending on

1056
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:12.320
<v Speaker 1>which type of sci fi you're into, Maybe it's water,

1057
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it is in fact gold, Maybe it's coal or

1058
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:21.400
<v Speaker 1>something of a strictly energy level, like something that's not

1059
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.519
<v Speaker 1>exactly tangible, but something that you can still extrapolate and

1060
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:27.679
<v Speaker 1>still use. It's there are so many possibilities as to

1061
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:31.079
<v Speaker 1>what they would be here to grab or garner, and

1062
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:33.840
<v Speaker 1>what they may be using humans as slave labor to

1063
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:36.199
<v Speaker 1>create for them or mind for them, or whatever the

1064
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:36.639
<v Speaker 1>case is.

1065
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, or they're they're taking DNA from humans to create

1066
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:41.679
<v Speaker 2>a hybrid race.

1067
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:46.159
<v Speaker 3>Now them, Yeah, I've heard I've heard this before.

1068
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:48.360
<v Speaker 4>I was sitting here thinking about that movie. I can't

1069
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 4>think of me, think of what it's called. But pretty

1070
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.280
<v Speaker 4>much there these little aliens with no joke like this big.

1071
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:56.320
<v Speaker 4>They're little. They look like parasites, and in the movie

1072
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.480
<v Speaker 4>they need human hosts, they need bodies to be able

1073
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.440
<v Speaker 4>to vive, and so that's what they do is they

1074
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:04.000
<v Speaker 4>end up going in and you'll see them in the

1075
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.960
<v Speaker 4>back of their spinal cord. And that's I forget what

1076
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:07.800
<v Speaker 4>the movie is called.

1077
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Not Andromeda, that was more of a sickness.

1078
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:14.199
<v Speaker 2>It was a television program called Stargate SG one.

1079
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:18.159
<v Speaker 4>I know that, Yeah, there's I like starget Stargate's always

1080
00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:20.960
<v Speaker 4>been one of my favorite movies growing up with Kurt Russell,

1081
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:23.880
<v Speaker 4>Like that's one of my favorite of you know, finding

1082
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:26.400
<v Speaker 4>new planet and going there and all that. So I

1083
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.639
<v Speaker 4>always thought the Pyramids, even from a kid, I was

1084
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:31.079
<v Speaker 4>like the Pyramids and that's where the aliens are at.

1085
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:34.239
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I know, that's where they're at.

1086
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.679
<v Speaker 2>Yes, indeed, I really liked Star the Stargate movie, and

1087
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:40.679
<v Speaker 2>I watched the Stargate TV show, the Stargate SG one.

1088
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:42.159
<v Speaker 3>I watched that they had.

1089
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:44.840
<v Speaker 2>The looked like a little snake that would go up

1090
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:49.280
<v Speaker 2>through through the back of your neck and and basically

1091
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:53.559
<v Speaker 2>possess you, Yes, and it would control the human hosts.

1092
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:56.079
<v Speaker 2>The human hosts no longer had any control over.

1093
00:59:56.440 --> 01:00:00.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're parasitic for herself. There's a there's a movie.

1094
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:02.519
<v Speaker 4>There's a few movies like that that talk about that

1095
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:06.079
<v Speaker 4>in different forms where they're a parasite essentially, And they

1096
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:09.360
<v Speaker 4>came here and they have been collecting people, and they

1097
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:13.199
<v Speaker 4>want to collect more people because they're dying race pretty much,

1098
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:16.519
<v Speaker 4>and so they need human bodies. And I've heard the

1099
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:19.239
<v Speaker 4>theory that a lot of the where the kids are

1100
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:21.880
<v Speaker 4>going or where all these people are disappearing to is

1101
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:26.320
<v Speaker 4>actually being taken for this purpose of some type, breeding them,

1102
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:28.960
<v Speaker 4>experimenting on them, using them, whatever it is.

1103
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.719
<v Speaker 1>As far as the alien human hybrid is concerned. There

1104
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:35.679
<v Speaker 1>have been even religions that have been based off of this.

1105
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.559
<v Speaker 1>If you've ever heard of the Nation of Islam or

1106
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:42.880
<v Speaker 1>the Black Moorish Science Temple, they believe that black people

1107
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:45.760
<v Speaker 1>were the original humans that inhabited the Earth from the

1108
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:49.159
<v Speaker 1>Moon three trillion years ago, and through a series of

1109
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:52.360
<v Speaker 1>forced breeding over six hundred years on the island of Patmos,

1110
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:56.559
<v Speaker 1>this alien named Yakub Yes they do mean Jacob from

1111
01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:59.719
<v Speaker 1>the Bible but that's how they pronounce it, created white

1112
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:03.039
<v Speaker 1>peace as a way to destroy the black race. And

1113
01:01:03.199 --> 01:01:06.360
<v Speaker 1>it's all about the alien human hybrid in their actual

1114
01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:12.039
<v Speaker 1>religious doctrine. That'd be Lewis farr Khan or what was

1115
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:16.079
<v Speaker 1>the one before him? Oh shit, the one Muhammad Ali

1116
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:20.719
<v Speaker 1>just loved dearly. It's they're fucking psychos, honestly, but you

1117
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:24.480
<v Speaker 1>know whatever. But yeah, the whole alien human hybrids that

1118
01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:28.519
<v Speaker 1>are being used for some sort of a greater nefarious purpose.

1119
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:31.559
<v Speaker 1>There's even religions that have been based off of this theory.

1120
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:32.480
<v Speaker 1>It's wild.

1121
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:38.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I don't subscribe to that same. So there

1122
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:43.440
<v Speaker 2>is this this book is called Walking among Us and

1123
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:49.800
<v Speaker 2>it's written by doctor David Jacobs. He's a PhD and

1124
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:54.800
<v Speaker 2>he's an alien abduction researcher, and he he puts forth

1125
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:59.440
<v Speaker 2>this idea that the aliens are here and they're trying

1126
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:04.119
<v Speaker 2>to create an alien human hybrid to take over the world,

1127
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:07.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of like Day of the Triffids. I don't know

1128
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.440
<v Speaker 2>if you ever read that book or saw the movie

1129
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:13.360
<v Speaker 2>where these aliens come and they take over a human

1130
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:17.920
<v Speaker 2>body and they converted into it still looks like a human,

1131
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:22.679
<v Speaker 2>but it's now an alien. So they have the they

1132
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:27.079
<v Speaker 2>have the cocoon, right, so they invade the body and

1133
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:31.920
<v Speaker 2>then it gets caught up in a cocoon and then

1134
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.199
<v Speaker 2>it converts to the alien who looks like the human,

1135
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:38.480
<v Speaker 2>but it's no longer the human, it's the alien. But anyhow,

1136
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:41.639
<v Speaker 2>so he David Jacobs talks about this whole concept of

1137
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:48.079
<v Speaker 2>alien hybridization with humans. Now, the only problem is is

1138
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:51.599
<v Speaker 2>you've got to manipulate the DNA so the two are compatible.

1139
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:55.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's where the alien abductions and the medical examinations

1140
01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:58.840
<v Speaker 2>and all that kind of thing come into play. And

1141
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:02.119
<v Speaker 2>so I use that to a certain to a certain

1142
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:06.639
<v Speaker 2>degree within my novels. And actually book five is all

1143
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:11.159
<v Speaker 2>about that, you know that you mentioned about, you know,

1144
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:15.039
<v Speaker 2>people disappearing and not coming back in that and uh

1145
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:22.119
<v Speaker 2>and using humans to extract their DNA and and actually

1146
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:26.000
<v Speaker 2>create this hybrid race which in my novels, and this

1147
01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:30.360
<v Speaker 2>is a spoiler alert, I'll only mentioned this one, they're

1148
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:34.559
<v Speaker 2>they're creating a race of super soldiers in order to

1149
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:36.440
<v Speaker 2>invade Earth and conquer it.

1150
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, DARPA was kind of working on that right now.

1151
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Actually say, this isn't that much of a sci fi

1152
01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:43.800
<v Speaker 1>conversation In World.

1153
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:46.559
<v Speaker 2>War two, the Nazis were trying to combine humans and

1154
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:51.559
<v Speaker 2>guerrillas to create a super soldier. Yeah, Captain America is

1155
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.480
<v Speaker 2>all about being, you know, a super sold Everybody's been

1156
01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:58.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to build a super soldier for a long long time.

1157
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:01.960
<v Speaker 4>I wonder if it's a race against races pretty much

1158
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:04.199
<v Speaker 4>like you know, they know that we're in we're in

1159
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:07.920
<v Speaker 4>the race against the aliens, so they're trying to make

1160
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:11.400
<v Speaker 4>us better, improve before it all pops off.

1161
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you look at that and the fact that

1162
01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Trump made the Space Force, we actually have an entire

1163
01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:19.760
<v Speaker 1>division of the military dedicated to space defense. I know

1164
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:21.679
<v Speaker 1>that people might look at that like it's a big joke,

1165
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:23.920
<v Speaker 1>and I understand. I really agree.

1166
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:26.800
<v Speaker 4>They did that though, and made it made it known

1167
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:30.079
<v Speaker 4>globally that this is an actual thing. I think it's

1168
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.360
<v Speaker 4>just gearing us up for what's to come.

1169
01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:35.320
<v Speaker 1>And even like the DNA splicing and things that seems

1170
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:39.000
<v Speaker 1>like high or sci fi until crisper technology became so

1171
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:42.800
<v Speaker 1>widely known about like it is today. So what seemed

1172
01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:47.400
<v Speaker 1>like crazy, you know, mad scientists, eugenics kind of conversation

1173
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:50.320
<v Speaker 1>thirty years ago is now what some people are using

1174
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:52.960
<v Speaker 1>to decide what color eyes their child will have.

1175
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:58.639
<v Speaker 2>It's insane, yeah, yeah, And it's advancing so quickly that

1176
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:01.119
<v Speaker 2>it's it's you know, you've got to have to catch

1177
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.920
<v Speaker 2>your breath to keep up with it. But you see

1178
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:10.960
<v Speaker 2>these elements I've incorporated into my novel. And the interesting

1179
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:16.719
<v Speaker 2>thing is that, like I started writing in twenty fifteen,

1180
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:22.800
<v Speaker 2>so I've been researching this UFO topic for you know,

1181
01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:25.760
<v Speaker 2>for my books for ten years. But I also, you know,

1182
01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:30.440
<v Speaker 2>was looking into it earlier to a certain degree, but

1183
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.199
<v Speaker 2>not as extensively as I have in the past ten years.

1184
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:37.320
<v Speaker 2>But in the research that I have done for my novels,

1185
01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:40.159
<v Speaker 2>I've come to the conclusion that the secret space program

1186
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:44.960
<v Speaker 2>is real, that Solar Warden is up there. What they're doing,

1187
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:49.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. There are indicators that they are fighting

1188
01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:50.079
<v Speaker 2>an alien enemy.

1189
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:53.880
<v Speaker 1>So now let me ask you what are these indicators.

1190
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, just the research that I've done, whistleblowers, different things

1191
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:02.039
<v Speaker 2>that I've come a cross in my research points to

1192
01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:04.599
<v Speaker 2>the fact that, yeah, this is legitimate, this is actually

1193
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:09.280
<v Speaker 2>going on in so I mean, I write fiction, but

1194
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:12.519
<v Speaker 2>it's based on what I think is reality.

1195
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:16.519
<v Speaker 4>There you have it, and the Solar Warden has two fleets,

1196
01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:18.360
<v Speaker 4>correct when I was looking into it said it had

1197
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:22.079
<v Speaker 4>two fleets, military Offense and Defense Fleet and the Scientific

1198
01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:23.320
<v Speaker 4>R and D fleet.

1199
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:25.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what the R and D actually stood

1200
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:25.880
<v Speaker 3>for Research and.

1201
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:28.000
<v Speaker 4>Developments, Okay, I just didn't know because I was like

1202
01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:30.880
<v Speaker 4>I was, I was like, wait, what, But it has

1203
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:34.360
<v Speaker 4>two fleets and that they're currently in two different locations.

1204
01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:35.119
<v Speaker 3>Is that correct?

1205
01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:39.239
<v Speaker 4>Like there's some like in in space actually and then

1206
01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:40.440
<v Speaker 4>some down here as well.

1207
01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. From my research, it points to the fact that

1208
01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:50.280
<v Speaker 2>they have a base on the Moon called Lunar Operations Command, Okay,

1209
01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:52.599
<v Speaker 2>and then they also have a base on Mars.

1210
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.199
<v Speaker 1>When you say they, do you mean just the Earth's

1211
01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:58.880
<v Speaker 1>elites or do you mean specifically the United States?

1212
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:06.760
<v Speaker 2>So Warden, I, in my research, I found indications that

1213
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:11.079
<v Speaker 2>they had approached the United Nations and they received a

1214
01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:14.920
<v Speaker 2>charter from the United Nations which allowed them. Initially it

1215
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:18.159
<v Speaker 2>was just the United States. But when you talk about

1216
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:23.719
<v Speaker 2>a space carrier that's three thousand feet long and has

1217
01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:28.280
<v Speaker 2>faster than light capabilities, has directed energy and particle beam weapons,

1218
01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:33.199
<v Speaker 2>not to mention missiles, and a full squadron of tactical

1219
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:37.920
<v Speaker 2>reconnaissance fighters that are also capable of faster than light travel.

1220
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:45.440
<v Speaker 2>That's a really big bill. We're talking, you knowllions, trillions

1221
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 2>of dollars. Yeah, like everybody knows where they were nine

1222
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:53.719
<v Speaker 2>to eleven. Where were you the night before? Because the

1223
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:57.079
<v Speaker 2>night before Donald Rumsfeldt, who at the time was a

1224
01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Secretary of Defense, on September ten, he announced that there

1225
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:06.800
<v Speaker 2>was a two point three trillion dollar amount that was

1226
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:13.840
<v Speaker 2>missing the apartment the Department of Defense. Okay, Now, in

1227
01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:18.439
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, Catherine Austin Fitz discovered that there was twenty

1228
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:23.279
<v Speaker 2>one trillion dollars missing, and her response was did they

1229
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:26.800
<v Speaker 2>buy the moon? Like? Where did all that money go?

1230
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:28.720
<v Speaker 3>So they're on the dark side of the moon.

1231
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, if you have a fleet of ten

1232
01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:36.439
<v Speaker 2>or twelve or fifteen space carriers with a squadron of

1233
01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:45.039
<v Speaker 2>thirty plus tactical fighters that are spacecraft, yeah, it's easy

1234
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:48.279
<v Speaker 2>to understand where that twenty one trillion went. Plus bases

1235
01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:52.039
<v Speaker 2>on the Moon, bases on Mars. You have a facility

1236
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:56.479
<v Speaker 2>at Area fifty one and S four. There's another facility

1237
01:08:56.600 --> 01:09:02.520
<v Speaker 2>at Dougway. There's a there's a facility at what's it called.

1238
01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:07.359
<v Speaker 2>It's it's in Utah where all of the manufacturing happens.

1239
01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:11.119
<v Speaker 2>And so you know, you have you have like tens

1240
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:15.960
<v Speaker 2>of thousands of personnel that are operating these you know,

1241
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:19.720
<v Speaker 2>and and building and designing and and you know maintenance.

1242
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, my my Navy captain, he served in the

1243
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:27.199
<v Speaker 2>Submarine Corps. He served on an Ocio class submarine, which

1244
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:30.359
<v Speaker 2>is a ballistic missile submarine, and he was he was

1245
01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:33.560
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear expert, and we talked about this. He says,

1246
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:38.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, he says, they spend probably ten hours import

1247
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:43.000
<v Speaker 2>under maintenance for every one hour there at sea. So

1248
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:46.800
<v Speaker 2>just trying to keep the thing going is an extremely

1249
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:51.399
<v Speaker 2>large expense. And that's why you know, they have these bases.

1250
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:52.960
<v Speaker 2>They don't have to bring them all the way back

1251
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:57.479
<v Speaker 2>to Earth. There's also I've got this one Paula Harris,

1252
01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:04.840
<v Speaker 2>she wrote a book about these deep space platforms, which

1253
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:08.159
<v Speaker 2>are giant space stations. Ye and those those would be

1254
01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:09.960
<v Speaker 2>used again. You know, you don't want to have to

1255
01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:12.720
<v Speaker 2>travel all the way back to Earth for maintenance. You

1256
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.199
<v Speaker 2>just stop off at one of these deep space platforms

1257
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:17.760
<v Speaker 2>and they have the facilities to be able to maintain

1258
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:20.399
<v Speaker 2>your ship. And that's the thing that a lot of

1259
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:22.880
<v Speaker 2>people don't understand, you know, when they're when they're writing

1260
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:25.800
<v Speaker 2>things like science fiction, and even when they're writing, you know,

1261
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:30.000
<v Speaker 2>any kind of military novel, especially you know, the Navy

1262
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:33.199
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. It's the same with your aircraft. You spend

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01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:34.680
<v Speaker 2>more time on the ground than you do in the

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01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:38.159
<v Speaker 2>air because you have to maintain this thing. Stuff goes wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you have a space carrier that's as sophisticated

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01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:45.640
<v Speaker 2>as the ones that Solar Warden has, well, i'll tell

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01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:49.159
<v Speaker 2>you one little thing goes wrong and that thing drops

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01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:52.199
<v Speaker 2>out of FTL and it's like, okay, we're stuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you got you know, I mean, oh, to that point,

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01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I had a captain, a naval captain who started off

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01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:05.159
<v Speaker 1>as a pilot, and he had one forced ejection happened

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01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:09.079
<v Speaker 1>his jet was going down. When they did the essentially

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01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:11.720
<v Speaker 1>an autopsy on the jet to see what went wrong,

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01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:15.039
<v Speaker 1>there was one bolt that was not tightened an eighth

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01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:18.119
<v Speaker 1>of an inch to enough. If it was an eighth

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01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:19.840
<v Speaker 1>of an inch more, everything would have been fined. That

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01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:23.960
<v Speaker 1>one bolt because it wasn't tightened that much, jiggled loose

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01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:26.319
<v Speaker 1>everything else, and his plane went down. He was forced

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01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:28.920
<v Speaker 1>to eject. So when we're talking about that same scale

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01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:31.760
<v Speaker 1>that was on Earth, right that was something very small

1281
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:33.520
<v Speaker 1>scale and it wasn't like that was a fighter jet

1282
01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:37.520
<v Speaker 1>in combat. He was on a training routine, training operation.

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01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Now we're going to talk about what that looks like

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01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:43.399
<v Speaker 1>in space. If one thing is one iota out of place,

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01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:48.119
<v Speaker 1>if one gram of weight wasn't properly accounted for it, Yeah,

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01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:51.119
<v Speaker 1>it's so much more to scale and scope.

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01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've got to have redundant systems. You've got to

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01:11:53.840 --> 01:12:03.039
<v Speaker 2>have a really really sophisticated computer system that incorporates AI.

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01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.039
<v Speaker 2>I have an AI in my in my fighters who

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01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:09.000
<v Speaker 2>are their tr three b's are the Black Triangles. Those

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01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:12.039
<v Speaker 2>are my fighters in my novels, and they have an

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01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:15.479
<v Speaker 2>AI computer system on board that I call bird Brain.

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01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:20.920
<v Speaker 2>And because pilots call their their aircraft or their spacecraft

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01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:25.079
<v Speaker 2>a bird, right, And so they don't like it because

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01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:28.399
<v Speaker 2>because this AI system can can literally take over the

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01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:33.479
<v Speaker 2>spacecraft and fly it. It. It can it can conduct

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01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:38.760
<v Speaker 2>repair operations, uh, you know, in flight during the combat situation.

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01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:43.640
<v Speaker 2>So it's a very sophisticated computer system. But you have

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01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:46.760
<v Speaker 2>to have that in a spacecraft. I mean, you know,

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01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:50.800
<v Speaker 2>we look at at the Apollo program and they're flying

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01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:53.720
<v Speaker 2>these tin cans to the moon, and back. It was

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01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:57.279
<v Speaker 2>all analog. They were using slide rules. I was going

1303
01:12:57.359 --> 01:12:59.880
<v Speaker 2>to ask where there's more, there's more technology in your eye,

1304
01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:03.159
<v Speaker 2>and then there was in the Apollo spacecraft. And so

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01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the problem was they were terrified. Well, I mean, look

1306
01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.760
<v Speaker 2>at Apaulo thirteen. Look at what happened, right, And they

1307
01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:12.520
<v Speaker 2>barely got those guys back home.

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01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Right.

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01:13:13.399 --> 01:13:16.079
<v Speaker 2>So you know, one of the points that I make

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01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:18.720
<v Speaker 2>in my first novel is the admiral or the captain

1311
01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:24.279
<v Speaker 2>of the space carrier that my protagonist is he's going

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01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:27.159
<v Speaker 2>to join the group. And one of the points that

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01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:30.920
<v Speaker 2>the captain makes he says, you cannot take in space.

1314
01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:36.119
<v Speaker 2>You cannot take anything for granted, not even the air

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01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that you breathe.

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01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, let me ask you this, that first moon landing.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you of the opinion that that actually took place

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01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.399
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty nine or that that was a complete

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01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:47.960
<v Speaker 1>fabrication in a studio somewhere.

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01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:52.319
<v Speaker 2>It happened, Okay, it literally happened. And I can go

1321
01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:54.520
<v Speaker 2>through it and I can prove to you beyond a

1322
01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:58.159
<v Speaker 2>shadow of a doubt that we landed on the moon. Okay,

1323
01:13:58.159 --> 01:14:00.640
<v Speaker 2>And all you got to do is go go find

1324
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:03.920
<v Speaker 2>go on YouTube and find MythBusters and find the episode

1325
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:05.920
<v Speaker 2>that they did on the moon landings.

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01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they shot the laser of the moon.

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01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:10.000
<v Speaker 2>They think or whether it was it was real. They

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01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:14.000
<v Speaker 2>go through and they and they like the major arguments

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01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:17.560
<v Speaker 2>that the dissenters make, they take every single one and

1330
01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:18.399
<v Speaker 2>they disprove them.

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01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just that alone. I've always been of the belief

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01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:25.319
<v Speaker 1>that that first landing probably wasn't real, and it was

1333
01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:27.319
<v Speaker 1>to bankrupt the Soviet Union, all of these things. But

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01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:30.079
<v Speaker 1>I am of the belief that yes, we as Americans

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01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:32.840
<v Speaker 1>have made it to the Moon multiple times, and there's

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01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:36.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of evidence to suggest that we have. Now. Also,

1337
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you brought up a lunar base that is currently operating. Now.

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01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Is this sci fi? Or is this what you have

1339
01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:44.600
<v Speaker 1>been led to believe is an actual thing right now?

1340
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:46.800
<v Speaker 2>No? I think I think it's true. I think there's

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01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:48.840
<v Speaker 2>an actual base there on the far side of the Moon.

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01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:52.920
<v Speaker 2>You heard of Project Horizon, I have, Okay, for.

1343
01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:54.840
<v Speaker 1>The COLT members that have not heard of it, please

1344
01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:56.880
<v Speaker 1>give us a quick synopsis of what this is.

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01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Ok Yeah. Sure. Operation Horizon was established in the nineteen

1346
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:05.760
<v Speaker 2>sixties before the first Moon landing, and what it was

1347
01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:09.920
<v Speaker 2>was it was to establish a permanent base on the

1348
01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Moon by the United States. Now, the thing is is

1349
01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:17.560
<v Speaker 2>that these projects get started and then what happens is

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01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:20.600
<v Speaker 2>they go, oh, yeah, well you know what, we canceled that. Yeah,

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01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:22.840
<v Speaker 2>well they just say that because they want it to

1352
01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:28.119
<v Speaker 2>go black. And so yeah, I'm convinced, beyond the shadow

1353
01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:31.119
<v Speaker 2>of a doubt, that there is a base on the

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01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Moon and that it's been there for probably forty years

1355
01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:34.600
<v Speaker 2>at least.

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01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm of this belief as well, especially when you look

1357
01:15:37.479 --> 01:15:40.560
<v Speaker 1>at what China and India are both currently doing. They

1358
01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:43.560
<v Speaker 1>are trying to make a nuclear power plant on the

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01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:46.840
<v Speaker 1>dark side of the Moon. Now, I personally, I'm not

1360
01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:49.960
<v Speaker 1>a nuclear physicist by any means. I know very little.

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01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I get the gist of how nuclear power operates and

1362
01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:55.600
<v Speaker 1>all these things. I don't understand how they are going

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01:15:55.640 --> 01:16:00.960
<v Speaker 1>to turn or spin a turban in a no environment,

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01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:04.239
<v Speaker 1>in a vacuum. What are you using for the force

1365
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:07.199
<v Speaker 1>to push the turbines to create power. I'm sure they

1366
01:16:07.239 --> 01:16:09.720
<v Speaker 1>have this figured out, but that sounds mind blowing to me.

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01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Fusion, you would you would have to encase it in

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01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:18.399
<v Speaker 2>a closed environment and introduce air into that environment.

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01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough, so it would have to.

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01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Be inside a building or structure of some kind, and

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01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:25.439
<v Speaker 2>then you would have to, like I said, introduce air

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01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:27.680
<v Speaker 2>and then and then you would have that you would

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01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:29.000
<v Speaker 2>be able to turn that turbine.

1374
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:30.399
<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough.

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01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:34.640
<v Speaker 4>I have a question, how do you think they Because

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01:16:34.640 --> 01:16:38.560
<v Speaker 4>you said that you believe that there is the thirty

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01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:42.680
<v Speaker 4>sorry not thirty three thousand foot long space ships that

1378
01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:45.119
<v Speaker 4>are up up already there, how do you think they

1379
01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:47.359
<v Speaker 4>got them up there without anybody seeing it?

1380
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:47.560
<v Speaker 6>Like?

1381
01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:49.720
<v Speaker 3>Do you think they are cloaking technology? Is that what

1382
01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:50.319
<v Speaker 3>they're using?

1383
01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:54.760
<v Speaker 4>Or I'm just curious how you think they everybody got

1384
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:56.640
<v Speaker 4>up there without anybody seeing that?

1385
01:16:56.960 --> 01:16:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Fair question.

1386
01:16:58.880 --> 01:17:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they they're build at I'm trying to think of

1387
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the name. I can't think of the name. There's a

1388
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:09.960
<v Speaker 2>facility in Utah. It was originally at Area fifty one,

1389
01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:13.159
<v Speaker 2>but Area fifty one got real popular and everybody started looking,

1390
01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:17.039
<v Speaker 2>and so it was they had to move to another

1391
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:20.560
<v Speaker 2>location because there are just too many eyes on them,

1392
01:17:21.159 --> 01:17:29.359
<v Speaker 2>and you're dealing with craft that that incorporate anti gravity propulsion. Okay,

1393
01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:34.720
<v Speaker 2>So there the research that I've done, they're built on

1394
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:38.000
<v Speaker 2>earth at this facility in Utah, and I just wish

1395
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:39.399
<v Speaker 2>for the life I could remember the name.

1396
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:42.279
<v Speaker 1>Is it the CHRISTA. Mcauliff Space Center.

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01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:44.600
<v Speaker 2>No, No, it's it's not far from.

1398
01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Dougway Tello's Discovery Space Center.

1399
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:51.960
<v Speaker 2>No. No, still come to me.

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01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:52.640
<v Speaker 1>You'll come to me.

1401
01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:56.359
<v Speaker 2>But but the thing is is before he died, Senator

1402
01:17:56.399 --> 01:18:04.920
<v Speaker 2>John McCain made a Freedom of Information Act request and he, uh,

1403
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:07.680
<v Speaker 2>he got a response. Boy did he get a response.

1404
01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:12.600
<v Speaker 2>These are some of the things that that they sent him,

1405
01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.479
<v Speaker 2>and I've just highlighted a few of them. There's there's

1406
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:21.479
<v Speaker 2>like several pages of of these that that that DARPA,

1407
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:27.239
<v Speaker 2>that the Defense Intelligence Agency, that several other organized government

1408
01:18:27.319 --> 01:18:31.399
<v Speaker 2>organizations are actually working on doing research and there, and

1409
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:33.119
<v Speaker 2>they're into research and development.

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01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:35.760
<v Speaker 1>It's not the Northrop Grumman site in Utah? Is it?

1411
01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.399
<v Speaker 1>Because they just had an explosion at their space facility

1412
01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that Northrop Grumman was was operating and they thankfully nobody

1413
01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:48.079
<v Speaker 1>was injured. But that just actually happened, I want to say,

1414
01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:48.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe last month.

1415
01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1416
01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know anyway, and I.

1417
01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Don't think so because I don't know if it's Northrop

1418
01:18:55.199 --> 01:19:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Grumman or whether it's uh Lockheed Martin that have a

1419
01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:05.000
<v Speaker 2>facility in Antelope Valley and that's where they claim that

1420
01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:09.680
<v Speaker 2>the Tier three ds are coming from. But this is

1421
01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:14.640
<v Speaker 2>the research and development that these different government organizations are

1422
01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:22.399
<v Speaker 2>working on invisibility cloaking. And here's the document that I

1423
01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:28.000
<v Speaker 2>pulled off of off of the Internet. And that's how

1424
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:36.279
<v Speaker 2>thick it is. Wow, it's pages long. Traversible wormholes, stargates

1425
01:19:36.279 --> 01:19:41.319
<v Speaker 2>and negative energy. The role of superconductors in gravity research,

1426
01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:47.079
<v Speaker 2>anti gravity for aerospace applications. Now, they made a breakthrough

1427
01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:50.479
<v Speaker 2>in anti gravity research in October of nineteen fifty three,

1428
01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:56.479
<v Speaker 2>so they've had anti gravity since then. Concepts for extracting

1429
01:19:56.600 --> 01:20:01.880
<v Speaker 2>energy from the quantum vacuum. That's zero point energy, that's free,

1430
01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:08.439
<v Speaker 2>clean energy that you can extract from the quantum vacuum. Okay,

1431
01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:12.560
<v Speaker 2>and they actually have the technology to do that, right Wow.

1432
01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Biomaterials that they use in the development of the spacecraft,

1433
01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:24.399
<v Speaker 2>meta materials, same thing for aerospace applications. Metallic glasses and

1434
01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:29.520
<v Speaker 2>this is stuff that it's it's it's it's primary structure

1435
01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:32.680
<v Speaker 2>is glass, but if you strike it with a bullet,

1436
01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:37.680
<v Speaker 2>it becomes metallic and so it's it's a protective element. Right.

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01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Is this some of the what's the word I'm looking

1438
01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:43.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like liquid metal that seems to be strewn across

1439
01:20:43.039 --> 01:20:45.520
<v Speaker 1>the ground anytime that there is a UFO crash that

1440
01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:46.199
<v Speaker 1>takes place.

1441
01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1442
01:20:47.760 --> 01:20:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

1443
01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Space communication implications of quantum entanglement and non locality. I

1444
01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:58.159
<v Speaker 2>use that in my novels is signal nonlocality, And what

1445
01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:01.720
<v Speaker 2>it is is it's it's it's quantum entanglement. It's where

1446
01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:06.439
<v Speaker 2>two atoms can be one can be here in the

1447
01:21:06.439 --> 01:21:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Milky Way, the other one can be in the Andromeda Galaxy.

1448
01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:13.439
<v Speaker 2>But somehow they're connected. And this is quantum physics, okay,

1449
01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:17.760
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's actually been demonstrated. But they communicate with

1450
01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:20.680
<v Speaker 2>each other. So if you do something to this atom,

1451
01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the same thing happens to this atom. And they've actually

1452
01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:28.840
<v Speaker 2>developed a form of communication where you can talk to

1453
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:31.680
<v Speaker 2>somebody in the Andromeda Galaxy just like you and I

1454
01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:35.399
<v Speaker 2>are talking now. There's no time lag, there's no you know,

1455
01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:39.399
<v Speaker 2>the subspace message will take three weeks to reach starfleet.

1456
01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean no, it's instantaneous. And so they've already got

1457
01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:45.680
<v Speaker 2>that technology. And I use that in my in my

1458
01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:47.119
<v Speaker 2>novels because it's great.

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01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:49.600
<v Speaker 1>We've heard that that's the reason for them taking DNA

1460
01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:52.840
<v Speaker 1>samples from humans, it could be.

1461
01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:59.199
<v Speaker 2>I haven't heard that aspect of it, but detection in

1462
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:05.079
<v Speaker 2>high resolution tracking of vehicles at hypersonic velocities. That's important

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01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:09.439
<v Speaker 2>because China is now developing a hypersonic missile that they

1464
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:11.760
<v Speaker 2>think will get past all of the United States.

1465
01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Defenses, which is crazy because we've had hyper by their

1466
01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:17.640
<v Speaker 1>definition of what a hypersonic missile is. We've had that

1467
01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:20.680
<v Speaker 1>since the V two rocket in the forties. Russia's been

1468
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:23.439
<v Speaker 1>going on and on about their hypersonic missiles and it's like, brother,

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01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:26.279
<v Speaker 1>you're now catching up to what we've had for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>They just launched their nuclear powered missile and it's like, bro,

1471
01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:32.760
<v Speaker 1>we had that in sixty one. We shut the program

1472
01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:33.720
<v Speaker 1>down in sixty two.

1473
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:40.079
<v Speaker 2>So it's you know, yeah, yeah, magneto hydrodynamics, air breathing,

1474
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:46.279
<v Speaker 2>propulsion and power for aerospace applications, quantum computing, quantum tomography,

1475
01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:51.279
<v Speaker 2>ultra capacitors. You know, that would be like a room

1476
01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:58.319
<v Speaker 2>temperature superconductor. So he's got this list of things that

1477
01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Senator McCain got through the the Freedom of Information Act,

1478
01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:08.439
<v Speaker 2>and what it's pointing to is that this is all

1479
01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:11.399
<v Speaker 2>in research and development, and a lot of it has

1480
01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:16.199
<v Speaker 2>probably already been. They've had breakthroughs, and now they're in

1481
01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:19.239
<v Speaker 2>the development stage of producing this this stuff.

1482
01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:21.880
<v Speaker 4>Do they release any of the information or do they

1483
01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:23.720
<v Speaker 4>just release the titles of what they have?

1484
01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Some of it has been unclassified, like this cloaking system.

1485
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:33.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can read through this and uh and

1486
01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:35.560
<v Speaker 2>you know you've got the theory and the principle and

1487
01:23:35.680 --> 01:23:39.560
<v Speaker 2>the applications and all of that. So you know when

1488
01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:44.079
<v Speaker 2>when the Romulans cloak their their their bird of prey.

1489
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know we can do that now Romulins. Star

1490
01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:51.479
<v Speaker 1>Trek gotcha.

1491
01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Yeah, it's okay, I got it.

1492
01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:56.960
<v Speaker 2>They had they had the cloak.

1493
01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:01.800
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't he he's not a Star Treker Star Wars person,

1494
01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:03.880
<v Speaker 3>But I am. So I got you.

1495
01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:05.640
<v Speaker 2>So you get the inforgy Yeah, I got it.

1496
01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:10.680
<v Speaker 3>As soon as you said, I was like, yeah, so.

1497
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean we have that technology now, yeah, you know,

1498
01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:17.640
<v Speaker 2>and we have anti gravity technology, I mean anti gravity.

1499
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:22.079
<v Speaker 2>There's a there's a man named Thomas Townsend Brown and

1500
01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:26.039
<v Speaker 2>he was working with what is referred to as electro

1501
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:29.399
<v Speaker 2>gravitics as far back as the nineteen twenties.

1502
01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

1503
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:36.880
<v Speaker 2>And he served in the US Navy as an electrical

1504
01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:39.880
<v Speaker 2>engineer during the Second World War and after the war

1505
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:43.359
<v Speaker 2>he hooked up with a guy named doctor Paul Beifeld,

1506
01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:47.600
<v Speaker 2>who was a personal friend of Albert Einstein, and they

1507
01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:51.960
<v Speaker 2>got together and they worked on this electric electro gravitics,

1508
01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:56.920
<v Speaker 2>which is a form of anti gravity, and they actually

1509
01:24:56.920 --> 01:24:59.720
<v Speaker 2>made it work. Back at the end of the Second

1510
01:24:59.720 --> 01:25:04.079
<v Speaker 2>World War, they made a presentation to the Navy, and

1511
01:25:04.359 --> 01:25:07.880
<v Speaker 2>remember Project Horizon. Yep, the Navy said, no, you know what,

1512
01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:12.319
<v Speaker 2>We're really not interested. But several months later, all of

1513
01:25:12.319 --> 01:25:20.039
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, Thomas Brown and doctor Buyfeld establish a massive

1514
01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:23.960
<v Speaker 2>facility in Los Angeles and nobody could get past the

1515
01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:32.960
<v Speaker 2>front desk, and what they were working on was Project

1516
01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:33.680
<v Speaker 2>winter Haven.

1517
01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is a new one for me, So please

1518
01:25:38.199 --> 01:25:39.520
<v Speaker 1>give us a breakdown.

1519
01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:42.920
<v Speaker 2>A gravity program on an electro gravitic program that they

1520
01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:46.119
<v Speaker 2>were working on. And you you I think that, you know,

1521
01:25:46.159 --> 01:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>you could put money on the fact that they were

1522
01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:51.439
<v Speaker 2>they were developing it for the Navy. The Navy said,

1523
01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:53.760
<v Speaker 2>now we're not interested in that. Nothing to see here,

1524
01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:56.880
<v Speaker 2>move on, move on, Okay, you guys here go. So

1525
01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.960
<v Speaker 2>again it's the misdirection, right, It's like Project Horizon while

1526
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:02.039
<v Speaker 2>canceled out, and we're not going to build them based

1527
01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:03.720
<v Speaker 2>on the Moon. Well, sure we are. We're just going

1528
01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:04.880
<v Speaker 2>to tell everybody that we're not.

1529
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:09.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so go ahead.

1530
01:26:10.039 --> 01:26:12.520
<v Speaker 4>Oh you've seen we're talking about just some of the

1531
01:26:12.520 --> 01:26:14.399
<v Speaker 4>stuff I was thinking about that you were listening off.

1532
01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:16.720
<v Speaker 4>You've seen that they're trying to mix bat blood with

1533
01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:20.640
<v Speaker 4>human blood to be able to extend our travel in

1534
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:23.760
<v Speaker 4>space and to be able to go further and longer.

1535
01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:26.600
<v Speaker 4>Have you seen have you been able to read? And

1536
01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:29.520
<v Speaker 4>I've been following that research for the last year. They've

1537
01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:31.640
<v Speaker 4>been talking about it and trying to experiment with it.

1538
01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, No, I don't. It's not in this list that

1539
01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I have, and I haven't. I haven't heard of it.

1540
01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:41.079
<v Speaker 4>It's okay, I'm taking I'm sitting here taking notes too.

1541
01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:44.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm a note taker, so like as you're saying names

1542
01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:46.880
<v Speaker 4>and stuff, I'm taking notes because I'm like, oh, I

1543
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:48.000
<v Speaker 4>want to look at this up later.

1544
01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look it up there. It's actually interesting research right

1545
01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:52.520
<v Speaker 3>now about it.

1546
01:26:52.600 --> 01:26:55.079
<v Speaker 4>So bat blood is what they're trying to use for

1547
01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:59.399
<v Speaker 4>inter stellar dimension travel for humans eventually.

1548
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:03.840
<v Speaker 2>And then and I'm just going to make a note of.

1549
01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:06.600
<v Speaker 1>That absolutely, And as we're talking about how they're trying

1550
01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:11.039
<v Speaker 1>to create super soldiers by bioengineering red blood cells. Couple

1551
01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:13.079
<v Speaker 1>that with what they're doing with bat blood. Couple that

1552
01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:16.000
<v Speaker 1>with what China was working on in Wuhan when allegedly

1553
01:27:16.039 --> 01:27:18.039
<v Speaker 1>it was a bat that led to COVID, which is bullshit.

1554
01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:20.640
<v Speaker 1>But neither here nor there, But like this all and

1555
01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:23.199
<v Speaker 1>you look at how China's space program has taken off.

1556
01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>That's that sounded like, you know what, fuck it? I

1557
01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:28.319
<v Speaker 1>intended the pun that has taken off in the last

1558
01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>few years in very very large leaps and bounds. It's

1559
01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:34.279
<v Speaker 1>not crazy to think that that might be something that

1560
01:27:34.319 --> 01:27:36.279
<v Speaker 1>they are also trying to do with their own version

1561
01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>of crisper technology in China right now. So I could

1562
01:27:38.920 --> 01:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>see that as well. I wanted to ask you also

1563
01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Project Horizon. You said that was in fifty what.

1564
01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Now, No, it was it was in the early sixties.

1565
01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I think it was sixty three or sixty four.

1566
01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, notes here somewhere, Okay, I forget what you said.

1567
01:27:52.039 --> 01:27:53.960
<v Speaker 1>It was a project that was in like fifty three,

1568
01:27:54.359 --> 01:27:56.079
<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was really crazy.

1569
01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:01.079
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen fifty three, where you see before that every

1570
01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:06.760
<v Speaker 2>aerospace company had a department, an entire department that was

1571
01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:11.960
<v Speaker 2>devoted to developing anti gravity technology, and I mean everybody

1572
01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:16.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, General Dynamics, Lockheed, all of the aerospace companies.

1573
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:19.880
<v Speaker 2>They were devoting a lot of money to the development

1574
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:23.039
<v Speaker 2>of anti gravity because everybody, you know, and they figured

1575
01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:25.520
<v Speaker 2>that they were going to have a breakthrough and that

1576
01:28:25.600 --> 01:28:29.000
<v Speaker 2>everybody would be able to drive to work like George

1577
01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Jetson right. Unfortunately, well, according to my research, they made

1578
01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>a discovery, they made a breakthrough, somebody did in October

1579
01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:43.319
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen fifty three, and all of the chatter stopped.

1580
01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:46.720
<v Speaker 1>So this was only early six years after the Roswell

1581
01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:49.600
<v Speaker 1>crash happened. Yeah, and it took them that long to

1582
01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:52.279
<v Speaker 1>try to reverse engineer this enough to have the breakthrough

1583
01:28:52.479 --> 01:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>like that. Now, I mean, granted, that's nothing to turn

1584
01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:59.319
<v Speaker 1>your nose up. At six years to reverse engineer anti

1585
01:28:59.319 --> 01:29:02.000
<v Speaker 1>gravity tech anology based off of wreckage that you found,

1586
01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>that's impressive as hell, but that's still that's insane.

1587
01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:10.720
<v Speaker 4>So then it just went silent completely after October ninety three, Yeah.

1588
01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:15.920
<v Speaker 2>The government shut it down. That would have been I

1589
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:20.359
<v Speaker 2>think it was before Eisenhower. I think it was still Truman.

1590
01:29:21.279 --> 01:29:24.479
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, they just they just threw they threw

1591
01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:27.279
<v Speaker 2>the put a lid on it, and all of the

1592
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:30.119
<v Speaker 2>all of the chatter, all of the departments were closed

1593
01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:33.760
<v Speaker 2>and nobody was allowed to talk about anti gravity technology

1594
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:37.920
<v Speaker 2>since then. And that was because because they had it

1595
01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:42.399
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't want anyone else to get it right.

1596
01:29:42.439 --> 01:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>And you know what happened with the Manhattan Project. There

1597
01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>were two scientists that were working on that and when

1598
01:29:48.039 --> 01:29:50.640
<v Speaker 2>they when they had their breakthrough and they developed the

1599
01:29:50.680 --> 01:29:55.479
<v Speaker 2>atomic bomb, they they said to themselves, no one nation

1600
01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:59.800
<v Speaker 2>should have this by themselves. And so what they did

1601
01:29:59.880 --> 01:30:01.319
<v Speaker 2>was they sold it to the Russians.

1602
01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's treason, agreed.

1603
01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:10.720
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is is, you know what they thought

1604
01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>it was, you know, mad.

1605
01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:15.079
<v Speaker 1>Mutually mutually assured destruction.

1606
01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Instruction. Right, If they've got it and we've got it,

1607
01:30:18.079 --> 01:30:20.439
<v Speaker 2>then neither one of us can use it because if

1608
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:25.039
<v Speaker 2>we do, it's the end of civilization. Right. So whoever

1609
01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:28.560
<v Speaker 2>was in charge, and I think it was probably Majestic

1610
01:30:28.640 --> 01:30:33.520
<v Speaker 2>twelve who actually existed, they said, Okay, we've now got

1611
01:30:33.520 --> 01:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>this breakthrough an anti gravity we're not sharing it with

1612
01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:38.800
<v Speaker 2>anyone because we don't want the competition.

1613
01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I think Majestic twelve still exists. I'm going to be

1614
01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:45.640
<v Speaker 1>honest with you, probably in very small ways. It's not

1615
01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:47.399
<v Speaker 1>to the same level that it did at that time

1616
01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:50.359
<v Speaker 1>when it was in its prime. For lack of better words,

1617
01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:54.479
<v Speaker 1>there's no way that they don't have their remnants still

1618
01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>in existence today.

1619
01:30:56.079 --> 01:30:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's called the deep state.

1620
01:30:57.439 --> 01:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly right.

1621
01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So yeah, that was that was the first major breakthrough.

1622
01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>And then of course there is my friend's dad who

1623
01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:13.279
<v Speaker 2>saw these other breakthroughs, right, shields and directive energy weapons,

1624
01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:16.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, that sort of thing, And they just kept

1625
01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:19.000
<v Speaker 2>coming and they kept coming, and like I said, you know,

1626
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:22.239
<v Speaker 2>we're in twenty twenty five, we're talking about the fifties

1627
01:31:22.239 --> 01:31:25.680
<v Speaker 2>and sixties of the twentieth century. What do you think

1628
01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:33.000
<v Speaker 2>they've gotten now? Right, because technology has has ballooned exponentially

1629
01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:36.840
<v Speaker 2>in the last thirty years, and you know, you take

1630
01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>a look at like I said, you know, the Apollo

1631
01:31:40.119 --> 01:31:43.840
<v Speaker 2>spacecraft they were using slide rules and it was all analog.

1632
01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:46.359
<v Speaker 2>And now there's more technology in your iPhone than there

1633
01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:47.439
<v Speaker 2>was in those spacecraft.

1634
01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Right, wow, So you know.

1635
01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:54.760
<v Speaker 2>It's yes there. And so what I try and do

1636
01:31:55.000 --> 01:31:59.359
<v Speaker 2>with my novels is I try and incorporate these elements

1637
01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:03.800
<v Speaker 2>that I think are real into my story, right, and

1638
01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:07.119
<v Speaker 2>so even though it's fiction, you know you're reading stuff

1639
01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:09.359
<v Speaker 2>that it's probably.

1640
01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:11.439
<v Speaker 3>Does exist, okay, And you know.

1641
01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:14.479
<v Speaker 2>There's plenty of skeptics out there that's, oh, you know

1642
01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:15.560
<v Speaker 2>you're you're a nut bart.

1643
01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>We're not going to listen to We're professional conspiracy theorist. Brother,

1644
01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:20.439
<v Speaker 1>we know the skeptics.

1645
01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:23.000
<v Speaker 4>I wish I wish you understood how many zombie books

1646
01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:26.119
<v Speaker 4>that I have like read and consumed.

1647
01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:27.279
<v Speaker 3>There's actually a novel.

1648
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:31.319
<v Speaker 4>There's a man that is he compiles every kind of

1649
01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:35.079
<v Speaker 4>information possible for the last century on zombies pretty much.

1650
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:38.039
<v Speaker 4>And he actually was I think a sniper too, and

1651
01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:40.680
<v Speaker 4>so his the way he writes is like a lot

1652
01:32:40.680 --> 01:32:43.800
<v Speaker 4>of men, very heavy detailed when it comes to you know,

1653
01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:48.079
<v Speaker 4>talking about weapons systems and tactical advantages and planning out

1654
01:32:48.359 --> 01:32:50.359
<v Speaker 4>warfare and how you're going to survive this stuff.

1655
01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:51.760
<v Speaker 3>I love his novels.

1656
01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:55.479
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, there's there's a lot of different stuff I've read,

1657
01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:57.760
<v Speaker 4>so it's not out of the realm of crazy.

1658
01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:02.359
<v Speaker 1>So at this point, nothing is honestly well, and you.

1659
01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Know, I'm a I'm at the age where I really

1660
01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:05.279
<v Speaker 2>don't care what people think.

1661
01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:07.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I'm there to.

1662
01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:08.159
<v Speaker 3>Don't worry.

1663
01:33:08.359 --> 01:33:11.520
<v Speaker 1>You've been an armor smith and a sword fighter for years.

1664
01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:14.159
<v Speaker 1>There's no way you care what people think. Man, I

1665
01:33:14.199 --> 01:33:15.760
<v Speaker 1>get it. I totally get it.

1666
01:33:17.640 --> 01:33:20.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know. I want to make if you'll, if

1667
01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:24.039
<v Speaker 2>you'll permit me, please, I want to make two points here.

1668
01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:26.079
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say this at the very beginning,

1669
01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:30.760
<v Speaker 2>but we got sidetracked with armor and that's okay.

1670
01:33:30.079 --> 01:33:33.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to apologize. I'm sorry. You have no

1671
01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:34.560
<v Speaker 1>idea how rare it is to me to have this

1672
01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>type of conversation on this show. So it is what

1673
01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:37.319
<v Speaker 1>it is.

1674
01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay. There's there's two points I want to make. Number

1675
01:33:40.920 --> 01:33:45.520
<v Speaker 2>one is you need to be careful, Okay, don't believe

1676
01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:48.800
<v Speaker 2>everything that you see or hear or read. What you

1677
01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:51.319
<v Speaker 2>need to do is you need to be objective and

1678
01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>you need to do your own homework, and that that

1679
01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:58.680
<v Speaker 2>applies to everybody. Do not park your brain at the

1680
01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:03.199
<v Speaker 2>door and simply accept what somebody says because you respect them,

1681
01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:05.720
<v Speaker 2>or because you think they're a celebrity, or you think

1682
01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>that you know they're they're uh uh whatever, you know,

1683
01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:15.399
<v Speaker 2>do your own homework right, do your own research. Don't

1684
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:17.600
<v Speaker 2>just take my word for what you know. I mean,

1685
01:34:17.640 --> 01:34:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing this research for ten years now. Don't

1686
01:34:20.760 --> 01:34:22.840
<v Speaker 2>take my word for it. Get in there, get on

1687
01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:25.720
<v Speaker 2>the internet. But you got to be careful, yes, because

1688
01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:28.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of kooks, flakes and crap uh and

1689
01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:29.720
<v Speaker 2>quacks on the internet.

1690
01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:32.000
<v Speaker 1>That's the deal. We're in the age of information, but

1691
01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:34.479
<v Speaker 1>we are also in the age of disinformation at the

1692
01:34:34.520 --> 01:34:37.319
<v Speaker 1>same time and censoring and it's yeah.

1693
01:34:37.960 --> 01:34:40.439
<v Speaker 2>And and the thing is too, is that you know

1694
01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:42.880
<v Speaker 2>these are these are still good sources of information.

1695
01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1696
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:47.319
<v Speaker 3>I believe in books, right, So you know.

1697
01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:50.319
<v Speaker 2>Don't just go on the internet, start buying some books,

1698
01:34:50.319 --> 01:34:54.399
<v Speaker 2>start reading some books, go back to the library, and

1699
01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:57.479
<v Speaker 2>and and look for yourself and make your own decisions

1700
01:34:57.479 --> 01:35:00.800
<v Speaker 2>and come to your own conclusions. And and then number two,

1701
01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:05.079
<v Speaker 2>people have a tendency to believe what they want. Yeah, yes,

1702
01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:10.039
<v Speaker 2>regardless of the evidence, either for or against it. And

1703
01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:14.399
<v Speaker 2>so it's imperative that you remain skeptical and that you

1704
01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:18.720
<v Speaker 2>remain objective. Okay. My dad used to call it having

1705
01:35:18.760 --> 01:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>a teachable spirit. Okay, So you got to be the

1706
01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:26.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of person who doesn't take everybody's word for it.

1707
01:35:27.239 --> 01:35:30.279
<v Speaker 2>You look at it for yourself, and if you're wrong,

1708
01:35:31.800 --> 01:35:36.319
<v Speaker 2>then you know, have the wherewithal to admit, you know what,

1709
01:35:36.479 --> 01:35:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I've looked at the evidence and I was wrong. Yeah,

1710
01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:40.720
<v Speaker 2>And so I no longer believe.

1711
01:35:40.520 --> 01:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>That that takes humility, and that's something that's also lost

1712
01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:46.439
<v Speaker 1>in our day and age today. It's like just spouting

1713
01:35:46.439 --> 01:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>off at the mouth about whatever is fine, but being

1714
01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:51.399
<v Speaker 1>able to admit, you know what, I made a mistake.

1715
01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I did some more research into it, and come to

1716
01:35:53.239 --> 01:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>find out I was wrong. People feel like that's like dirty,

1717
01:35:56.920 --> 01:36:00.479
<v Speaker 1>that's like even worse than being proven wrong. Admitting that

1718
01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:03.600
<v Speaker 1>you were wrong. Oh my god, your your reputation is ruined.

1719
01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:05.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like, no, no, this is how you protect your

1720
01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>reputation and keep academic honesty within this circle. But so

1721
01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>many people are afraid to actually admit this.

1722
01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I've done that to myself. I don't know

1723
01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:19.119
<v Speaker 2>how many times, you know, in my research on this

1724
01:36:20.199 --> 01:36:25.359
<v Speaker 2>is you know, Okay, that guy, yeah, he was not

1725
01:36:25.399 --> 01:36:27.560
<v Speaker 2>correct in that. He was not accurate in that, and

1726
01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:29.720
<v Speaker 2>I said that he was. But now I have to

1727
01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:32.479
<v Speaker 2>admit that he wasn't. Yeah, and I was. I was

1728
01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:36.760
<v Speaker 2>wrong in my assessment of this. Okay, I admit that

1729
01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I was, and I've corrected myself and I'm moving on.

1730
01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:43.680
<v Speaker 2>It's it's just yeah, you're right, it's it's it's intellectual honesty.

1731
01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:47.000
<v Speaker 2>It's you. You have to you have to practice that.

1732
01:36:47.520 --> 01:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1733
01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:50.680
<v Speaker 2>And uh and you know, I mean there's there's a

1734
01:36:50.800 --> 01:36:52.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of people out there that are saying a lot

1735
01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:56.239
<v Speaker 2>of wild and crazy things. Oh yeah, yes, and uh,

1736
01:36:56.560 --> 01:36:59.439
<v Speaker 2>you know what, humans actually went to the Moon? I

1737
01:36:59.479 --> 01:37:04.800
<v Speaker 2>don't believe. Well, do some research, right, it might surprise yourself.

1738
01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Brother, flat earther is kill me that. That's a perfect

1739
01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:13.640
<v Speaker 1>example of this weird I was because so many of

1740
01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:16.199
<v Speaker 1>our listeners believe in the flat Earth. We've had so

1741
01:37:16.239 --> 01:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>many guests on the show. No, they go out of

1742
01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>the way to come at me for being the resident

1743
01:37:20.720 --> 01:37:23.359
<v Speaker 1>globe tard on this show, and it's like, okay, pause,

1744
01:37:23.800 --> 01:37:27.359
<v Speaker 1>how many actual experiments have you done rather than just

1745
01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:29.840
<v Speaker 1>well it doesn't look round to me. Then you had

1746
01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that situation where these people went to Antarctica. There was

1747
01:37:33.640 --> 01:37:35.439
<v Speaker 1>six of them, three of them were flat earthers and

1748
01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:37.720
<v Speaker 1>three of them were round earthers, and there was an

1749
01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:40.119
<v Speaker 1>experiment because according to the flat earth model, there's no

1750
01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:43.079
<v Speaker 1>way you could have a twenty four hour son in Antarctica, right,

1751
01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>they go there and they film it, and low and behold,

1752
01:37:47.279 --> 01:37:49.640
<v Speaker 1>there was in fact a twenty four hour son. There

1753
01:37:49.760 --> 01:37:52.399
<v Speaker 1>was no ice wall. They weren't escorted off of the

1754
01:37:52.439 --> 01:37:55.479
<v Speaker 1>continent with men with guns. And one of the flat

1755
01:37:55.520 --> 01:37:59.159
<v Speaker 1>Earthers actually capitulated and said, you know what, I was wrong.

1756
01:37:59.319 --> 01:38:02.600
<v Speaker 1>This was I was presented with evidence that I can't refute,

1757
01:38:02.640 --> 01:38:05.399
<v Speaker 1>and I have to rethink my whole dynamic here. Two

1758
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:08.399
<v Speaker 1>of them decided to make seven more mental hoops that

1759
01:38:08.439 --> 01:38:10.119
<v Speaker 1>they would have to jump through to make what they

1760
01:38:10.199 --> 01:38:12.359
<v Speaker 1>just saw make sense to them, and they like tripled

1761
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:16.079
<v Speaker 1>down on their flat earthitude and it's it's wild, it

1762
01:38:16.159 --> 01:38:16.600
<v Speaker 1>really is.

1763
01:38:17.239 --> 01:38:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, here's some more evidence for you. In World War One,

1764
01:38:21.399 --> 01:38:27.159
<v Speaker 2>a German artillery man with a Grade three education trying

1765
01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:32.239
<v Speaker 2>to triangulate his target has to take into account the curvature.

1766
01:38:32.760 --> 01:38:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh there's that word, the curvature of the earth.

1767
01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:36.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh.

1768
01:38:36.920 --> 01:38:40.039
<v Speaker 2>I've told them this tree education. I mean, you know, it's.

1769
01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:42.800
<v Speaker 1>So we're both military veterans, and I've had to explain this,

1770
01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Like you realize just your basic level of artillery, if

1771
01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>you're firing anywhere over two and a half miles three miles,

1772
01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:52.600
<v Speaker 1>you have to take into affect the Coriola's effect. Well

1773
01:38:52.640 --> 01:38:55.199
<v Speaker 1>that's not true, and I'm like, hold on ching Lie.

1774
01:38:55.239 --> 01:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>A legendary naval admiral in World War Two. He basically

1775
01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:03.279
<v Speaker 1>decided to start using his battleship like a glorified sniper rifle,

1776
01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:06.399
<v Speaker 1>and he was hitting land targets from his ship, and

1777
01:39:06.439 --> 01:39:09.760
<v Speaker 1>he was so far out that he had to affectionately

1778
01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:13.520
<v Speaker 1>lead his target, which was a building on the ground.

1779
01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:16.359
<v Speaker 1>How would he have needed to lead his target unless

1780
01:39:16.399 --> 01:39:20.359
<v Speaker 1>the earth was spinning like this? Well he didn't. He lied. Okay,

1781
01:39:20.439 --> 01:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but forgive me for believing the guy who

1782
01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:26.199
<v Speaker 1>had proof rather than some sort of an internet blog

1783
01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that you just happened to read. I'm sorry.

1784
01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I call them armchair experts.

1785
01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh there's so many of those, Oh my god. But

1786
01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:36.359
<v Speaker 1>like you said, it's there is so much information out there,

1787
01:39:36.479 --> 01:39:40.960
<v Speaker 1>and there's equally so much disinformation out there. It's all

1788
01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:43.640
<v Speaker 1>about verifying your sources as well. And I understand that

1789
01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:48.119
<v Speaker 1>that's also tricky, because like you're reading, you're reading declassified

1790
01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:53.199
<v Speaker 1>documents that were seen as myths and hokum only a

1791
01:39:53.199 --> 01:39:56.079
<v Speaker 1>few years back. But you have to look at the

1792
01:39:56.199 --> 01:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>source material itself and see how much of it is

1793
01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:01.560
<v Speaker 1>actually verified true, How how much of it is in

1794
01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>the realm of what they were trying to accomplish and

1795
01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>they failed, or how many of these things that they

1796
01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:09.800
<v Speaker 1>did in fact succeed at and to what level that

1797
01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:13.760
<v Speaker 1>research went next. There's levels upon levels upon levels of

1798
01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:15.439
<v Speaker 1>research that is needed for all of this.

1799
01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:17.840
<v Speaker 4>But you also don't have access to a lot of

1800
01:40:17.840 --> 01:40:20.239
<v Speaker 4>it because whatever they're giving us is going to be

1801
01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:24.079
<v Speaker 4>what they deem at least acceptable to give us. Oh yeah,

1802
01:40:24.119 --> 01:40:27.399
<v Speaker 4>that's the problem is whatever is that they're keeping secreted,

1803
01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:29.600
<v Speaker 4>it's in lock and key, and we're not going to

1804
01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:33.720
<v Speaker 4>hear about it unless somebody decides to whistle blow enough

1805
01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:35.520
<v Speaker 4>without getting got before.

1806
01:40:35.239 --> 01:40:37.239
<v Speaker 3>They before they say something.

1807
01:40:37.399 --> 01:40:39.399
<v Speaker 1>But now and then even with the whistleblowers like that

1808
01:40:39.520 --> 01:40:44.800
<v Speaker 1>David Grush guy, Okay, every statement that David Grush has

1809
01:40:44.840 --> 01:40:48.359
<v Speaker 1>made has been approved in greenlit by the DoD and

1810
01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:51.039
<v Speaker 1>he is not giving any first hand accounts of anything

1811
01:40:51.039 --> 01:40:54.920
<v Speaker 1>that happened. It's all someone very reliable told me x

1812
01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:56.760
<v Speaker 1>y Z. And then whenever you ask him any kind

1813
01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:58.520
<v Speaker 1>of follow up question, well, I don't know. I just

1814
01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:00.439
<v Speaker 1>know this is the story I was given. And so

1815
01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:03.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, he's considered a whistleblower. In reality, he

1816
01:41:03.800 --> 01:41:08.279
<v Speaker 1>is perpetuating a greenlit narrative by the same people in

1817
01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the deep State that we are talking about right now.

1818
01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:13.199
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not saying that he's lying to us. I'm

1819
01:41:13.239 --> 01:41:15.880
<v Speaker 1>saying that he is giving us the most g rated,

1820
01:41:16.119 --> 01:41:21.760
<v Speaker 1>nerved answers that he can actually legally give us. And

1821
01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>so many people take his word to be Biblical Testament here,

1822
01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and so many people also see him as a complete

1823
01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:32.119
<v Speaker 1>fraudster because he's DoD So I get it well.

1824
01:41:32.359 --> 01:41:34.520
<v Speaker 2>And not only that, but there's another element to that.

1825
01:41:34.720 --> 01:41:38.840
<v Speaker 2>And Ben Rich who was head of Lockheed Martin after

1826
01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Kelly Johnson retired, he gave a lecture at the University

1827
01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:50.479
<v Speaker 2>of UCLA and it was for aeronautical engineers and that's

1828
01:41:50.520 --> 01:41:55.439
<v Speaker 2>where he went to school. But anyhow, during that lecture,

1829
01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:59.319
<v Speaker 2>he said, we have things out in the desert, meaning

1830
01:41:59.359 --> 01:42:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Area fifteen one, that are fifty years ahead of anything

1831
01:42:05.399 --> 01:42:10.000
<v Speaker 2>you've seen, you know, in the air or whatever. He says,

1832
01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:12.199
<v Speaker 2>if you've seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek,

1833
01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:14.840
<v Speaker 2>he says, we've been there, done that, or figured that

1834
01:42:14.920 --> 01:42:18.359
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't worth the effort. So in the nineteen eighties,

1835
01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:23.399
<v Speaker 2>when Reagan ordered the strike on Kadafi's house in Tripoli.

1836
01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:28.800
<v Speaker 2>He sent a division of F sixteen's to bomb his house.

1837
01:42:29.560 --> 01:42:34.359
<v Speaker 2>They already had the F one seventeen stealth fighter, already

1838
01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:39.000
<v Speaker 2>had it they but Reagan didn't want to disclose that

1839
01:42:39.039 --> 01:42:42.119
<v Speaker 2>the US had it, so he sent F sixteen's instead

1840
01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:45.399
<v Speaker 2>of the F one seventeen. Well, they didn't bring they

1841
01:42:45.439 --> 01:42:47.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't roll out the F one seventeen until I think

1842
01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:50.720
<v Speaker 2>it was the late nineties or early two thousands, and

1843
01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:53.760
<v Speaker 2>so that was like twenty or thirty years later when

1844
01:42:54.399 --> 01:42:57.640
<v Speaker 2>they actually said, okay, we now have this this stealth

1845
01:42:57.680 --> 01:43:02.880
<v Speaker 2>fighter see F one seventeen. And so they already had it.

1846
01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:05.399
<v Speaker 2>So the thing is is what they're showing us now

1847
01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:11.239
<v Speaker 2>is already thirty or forty years obsolete. Yeah, and what

1848
01:43:11.319 --> 01:43:14.680
<v Speaker 2>they're developing right now is fifty years ahead of anything

1849
01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:15.479
<v Speaker 2>that we have now.

1850
01:43:16.039 --> 01:43:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean you could even say it with our fighter

1851
01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:21.359
<v Speaker 1>jets today, like, for instance, the F thirty five we

1852
01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:25.600
<v Speaker 1>are allowing America is allowing other countries to buy versions

1853
01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:28.479
<v Speaker 1>of it with some lesser capabilities than what we have

1854
01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:30.840
<v Speaker 1>in our fleets. I get that the F twenty two

1855
01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Raptor is a far superior air platform in all way

1856
01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:37.000
<v Speaker 1>shapes and forms. We have not fielded it one time yet,

1857
01:43:37.119 --> 01:43:42.159
<v Speaker 1>because once we do, we are now revealing another card

1858
01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:44.560
<v Speaker 1>in our hand as far as our capabilities are concerned.

1859
01:43:44.800 --> 01:43:47.199
<v Speaker 1>So we're just gonna keep making new additions and new

1860
01:43:47.239 --> 01:43:50.159
<v Speaker 1>iterations of the F thirty five until we literally cannot

1861
01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:52.359
<v Speaker 1>worry about that anymore, and then we have to release

1862
01:43:52.680 --> 01:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>our newest and shiniest toy. But that's been developed and

1863
01:43:56.000 --> 01:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>pilots have been experts on that platform for years and

1864
01:43:59.039 --> 01:44:01.079
<v Speaker 1>years and years, and we're still not willing to pull

1865
01:44:01.079 --> 01:44:03.279
<v Speaker 1>it out of the hangar. Let's not even talk about

1866
01:44:03.279 --> 01:44:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the shit that we're going to have pulling out of

1867
01:44:04.680 --> 01:44:08.439
<v Speaker 1>the hanger in fifty years from now, right. It's mind blowing,

1868
01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:12.439
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, anyway, so all right, I also want to

1869
01:44:12.439 --> 01:44:16.279
<v Speaker 1>ask you this, as you are somebody who has done

1870
01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:20.479
<v Speaker 1>some very very deep research into these research and development things,

1871
01:44:21.720 --> 01:44:25.560
<v Speaker 1>what is your take on these glowing orbs that everybody sees.

1872
01:44:26.159 --> 01:44:29.119
<v Speaker 1>We've heard so many different perspectives and opinions on what

1873
01:44:29.199 --> 01:44:33.119
<v Speaker 1>these are. Some are saying that these are drones, some

1874
01:44:33.319 --> 01:44:39.239
<v Speaker 1>are saying that they are interdimensional crafts. Some are saying

1875
01:44:39.239 --> 01:44:42.760
<v Speaker 1>that this is the cloaking technology around UFOs and UAPs,

1876
01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:45.159
<v Speaker 1>and then the conversation comes up, well, if that's what

1877
01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:47.039
<v Speaker 1>that is, then how come we also can see flying

1878
01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:52.079
<v Speaker 1>saucers and it evolves into straight up hypotheticals back and forth.

1879
01:44:52.640 --> 01:44:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Then we had the situation where they locked on an

1880
01:44:54.920 --> 01:44:57.520
<v Speaker 1>ORB with a hellfire missile and actually shot it and

1881
01:44:57.600 --> 01:45:00.399
<v Speaker 1>hit it, but it didn't slow it down right, And

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01:45:00.479 --> 01:45:02.520
<v Speaker 1>so that tells me that it's not an ethereal or

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01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:07.039
<v Speaker 1>spiritual uh thing. It has to be a hard physical

1884
01:45:07.399 --> 01:45:09.319
<v Speaker 1>thing for a hell fire to lock on to it.

1885
01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:13.359
<v Speaker 1>So in your research, what do you make of these orbs?

1886
01:45:13.680 --> 01:45:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think they go back to the Second World

1887
01:45:19.880 --> 01:45:26.199
<v Speaker 2>War with the food fighters, Okay, because the Nazis were

1888
01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:31.159
<v Speaker 2>developing some pretty heavy stuff. Uh they were. They had

1889
01:45:31.159 --> 01:45:36.600
<v Speaker 2>two flying saucer programs, the Vril and the Hanabut they

1890
01:45:36.640 --> 01:45:40.079
<v Speaker 2>were they were developing. They'd actually developed an atomic bomb

1891
01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:44.760
<v Speaker 2>and they did two tests. And this is documented proof. Okay,

1892
01:45:44.760 --> 01:45:48.279
<v Speaker 2>this is not just me, you know, taking flights of fancy.

1893
01:45:48.640 --> 01:45:53.960
<v Speaker 2>This was actually documented and uh and there's actually a YouTube,

1894
01:45:54.000 --> 01:45:58.199
<v Speaker 2>not a YouTube video, a Netflix video where they go

1895
01:45:58.319 --> 01:46:03.600
<v Speaker 2>through the development and the testing of an atomic bomb

1896
01:46:03.720 --> 01:46:07.880
<v Speaker 2>by the Nazis and and so they were, They were

1897
01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:11.399
<v Speaker 2>developing a lot of things that there was. There was

1898
01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:16.439
<v Speaker 2>a German officer by the name of Hans Kammler who

1899
01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:20.279
<v Speaker 2>was in charge of all of these special projects that

1900
01:46:20.319 --> 01:46:23.439
<v Speaker 2>the Nazis were developing. And what they did was, you see,

1901
01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:27.359
<v Speaker 2>because the Allies were bombing them into oblivion, what he

1902
01:46:27.439 --> 01:46:32.760
<v Speaker 2>did was he took Jewish prisoners from the concentration camps

1903
01:46:33.159 --> 01:46:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and they dug these massive tunnels underground in in various

1904
01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:43.199
<v Speaker 2>remote places around Germany and Austria, and that's where they

1905
01:46:43.199 --> 01:46:46.279
<v Speaker 2>were developing all of these special projects. And one of

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01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the projects, I believe was the Foo Fighters. What they

1907
01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:54.000
<v Speaker 2>were was they were drones. And the Americans saw them

1908
01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:56.479
<v Speaker 2>and they said, this is something new that the Nazis

1909
01:46:56.560 --> 01:47:01.880
<v Speaker 2>had developed. Well, the Nazi, not Theis, but the German Wehrmacht,

1910
01:47:01.880 --> 01:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the German Army, the Luffaff of the Air Force, they

1911
01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:06.840
<v Speaker 2>saw them and they said, this has got to be

1912
01:47:06.880 --> 01:47:10.640
<v Speaker 2>something that the Americans have developed. But they didn't know either.

1913
01:47:10.720 --> 01:47:13.479
<v Speaker 2>So it was a top secret. The average soldier on

1914
01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:15.800
<v Speaker 2>the ground or in the air didn't know what it

1915
01:47:15.960 --> 01:47:20.319
<v Speaker 2>was because they weren't told because it was classified. And

1916
01:47:20.640 --> 01:47:22.079
<v Speaker 2>you got to keep in mind that at the end

1917
01:47:22.119 --> 01:47:27.359
<v Speaker 2>of the war, a lot of those German scientists were

1918
01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:31.439
<v Speaker 2>brought over to the United States through Project paper Clip.

1919
01:47:32.720 --> 01:47:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Verner von Braun was one of them, Yeah, and there

1920
01:47:34.760 --> 01:47:39.680
<v Speaker 2>were many others, right, and so they brought their research

1921
01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:44.359
<v Speaker 2>with them. And there's a case, and I can't remember

1922
01:47:44.359 --> 01:47:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the name. It was in the Pacific Northwest where this

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01:47:47.119 --> 01:47:50.199
<v Speaker 2>guy and his son and his son's dog on a

1924
01:47:50.239 --> 01:47:55.359
<v Speaker 2>fishing boat in Puget Sound. They encountered a UFO or

1925
01:47:55.399 --> 01:48:00.239
<v Speaker 2>several UFOs, and one of them was having problems and

1926
01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:04.399
<v Speaker 2>it dropped some material onto his boat, hit the dog

1927
01:48:04.479 --> 01:48:07.560
<v Speaker 2>and killed the dog and wounded his son to the

1928
01:48:07.600 --> 01:48:12.039
<v Speaker 2>point where he was his arm was needed surgery or

1929
01:48:12.079 --> 01:48:13.800
<v Speaker 2>something like that. I forget. He was in the hospital

1930
01:48:13.800 --> 01:48:20.239
<v Speaker 2>for months. But these flying saucers had no center in them. Well,

1931
01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:24.800
<v Speaker 2>in any of the flying saucers that the Germans were developing,

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01:48:25.039 --> 01:48:27.600
<v Speaker 2>and that I think the Americans were developing as well,

1933
01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the center of the saucer was always the crew compartment

1934
01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:39.600
<v Speaker 2>because the anti gravity engine was a toroidal or toroid

1935
01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:44.279
<v Speaker 2>around the outer edge of the saucer, and so the

1936
01:48:44.359 --> 01:48:47.680
<v Speaker 2>crew was always in the center. Well, these these particular

1937
01:48:47.720 --> 01:48:49.880
<v Speaker 2>flying saucers didn't have a center in them, and that

1938
01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:52.239
<v Speaker 2>was one of the things that this guy noticed. They

1939
01:48:52.239 --> 01:48:57.039
<v Speaker 2>were hollowing the center like a donut. So it's my

1940
01:48:57.239 --> 01:49:02.000
<v Speaker 2>take that they were drones, manned craft. And I think

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01:49:02.039 --> 01:49:06.119
<v Speaker 2>that these balls are the same thing. These these that

1942
01:49:06.159 --> 01:49:08.920
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about, I think they're all drones. And the

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01:49:08.960 --> 01:49:11.960
<v Speaker 2>fact that a helfire missile couldn't bring one down just

1944
01:49:12.000 --> 01:49:14.199
<v Speaker 2>tells me that that shield that they developed back in

1945
01:49:14.239 --> 01:49:19.319
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen sixties was in full operation, you know, when

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01:49:19.319 --> 01:49:21.880
<v Speaker 2>that hell fire hit. The thing is is that people

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01:49:21.960 --> 01:49:24.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, there are some people that say, oh, you

1948
01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:26.880
<v Speaker 2>know the UFOs or they're just demon spirits. Well, the

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01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:30.319
<v Speaker 2>problem with that is that a demon spirit cannot manifest

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01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:34.680
<v Speaker 2>itself physically in our four dimensional space time. The only

1951
01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:37.079
<v Speaker 2>way they can interact in our four dimensional space time

1952
01:49:37.159 --> 01:49:41.039
<v Speaker 2>is to directly possess a human being. So a UFO

1953
01:49:41.800 --> 01:49:46.079
<v Speaker 2>that can be picked up on multiple radars, can be photographed,

1954
01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:51.199
<v Speaker 2>bends and breaks tree branches when it descends, leaves marks

1955
01:49:51.199 --> 01:49:55.279
<v Speaker 2>in the ground when it assends, and leaves radioactive residue.

1956
01:49:56.520 --> 01:50:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Is a physical object, plain and simple, Okay, It's not

1957
01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:06.000
<v Speaker 2>a transdimensional being. And so you know, and people have

1958
01:50:07.319 --> 01:50:11.359
<v Speaker 2>reported that they've been taken on board and examined, you know,

1959
01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:13.640
<v Speaker 2>and that sort of thing, you know, the alien abduction thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So so you know the thing is is Michael Strap.

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01:50:18.600 --> 01:50:25.279
<v Speaker 2>He's an aircraft historian. He's also a very respected UFO researcher.

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01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:29.920
<v Speaker 2>He says that he believes that eighty five percent of

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01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:33.840
<v Speaker 2>what we see in the sky as UFOs are in

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01:50:33.920 --> 01:50:41.520
<v Speaker 2>fact our own special spacecraft or aircraft or whatever that

1965
01:50:42.039 --> 01:50:45.039
<v Speaker 2>is being developed by these black projects. He says, the

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01:50:45.039 --> 01:50:50.640
<v Speaker 2>other fifteen percent are probably you know, legitimate UFOs.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's something to be said for that, right

1968
01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:55.800
<v Speaker 1>if you look at all these UFO and I'm using

1969
01:50:55.800 --> 01:50:58.920
<v Speaker 1>that term loosely on this one. Sightings from around the

1970
01:50:59.039 --> 01:51:03.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, ut Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico area in the

1971
01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:07.159
<v Speaker 1>late forties, early fifties. They kept saying they saw a

1972
01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:10.560
<v Speaker 1>flying trying in the sky right the Angry to Rito.

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01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:12.880
<v Speaker 1>But that's because they didn't know that that was a

1974
01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:15.079
<v Speaker 1>stealth bomber that was in the works at that time,

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01:51:15.279 --> 01:51:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and so the government officials came in, took their reports

1976
01:51:17.920 --> 01:51:20.479
<v Speaker 1>and said, don't worry, we're looking into it. These people

1977
01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:23.760
<v Speaker 1>went to their grave believing that they saw a flying UFO.

1978
01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:27.119
<v Speaker 1>In reality, that was a new aircraft that they were developing,

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01:51:27.199 --> 01:51:29.720
<v Speaker 1>So I there's something to be said for that. But

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<v Speaker 1>then when it comes to the orb situation, if you remember,

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01:51:32.880 --> 01:51:34.520
<v Speaker 1>was it two years ago or three years ago? They

1982
01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:38.000
<v Speaker 1>had all these glowing orbs over New Jersey and that

1983
01:51:38.039 --> 01:51:40.920
<v Speaker 1>made the news all over the place. Clear sign to

1984
01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:43.479
<v Speaker 1>me that it was probably us was the fact that

1985
01:51:43.640 --> 01:51:47.760
<v Speaker 1>bipartisan as far as our politicians were concerned, Republicans, Democrats

1986
01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:50.680
<v Speaker 1>and if it doesn't matter, oh that, no, don't worry

1987
01:51:50.720 --> 01:51:52.760
<v Speaker 1>about that. It's is it us? No, it's not us.

1988
01:51:53.159 --> 01:51:55.520
<v Speaker 1>But they're also super not dangerous and there's nothing you

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01:51:55.560 --> 01:51:57.319
<v Speaker 1>need to worry about, so let's just move on. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, how do you know that for a fact

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01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:02.319
<v Speaker 1>if you don't know what it is. And so that

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01:52:02.840 --> 01:52:05.920
<v Speaker 1>led me to believe, especially whenever you're seeing that some

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01:52:05.960 --> 01:52:08.560
<v Speaker 1>of them had crashed and they were drones that were

1994
01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:11.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, they had eight propellers on them, and no

1995
01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:14.479
<v Speaker 1>one on earth allegedly still to this day, has drones

1996
01:52:14.560 --> 01:52:17.439
<v Speaker 1>technology that can stay in flight for eight hours. But

1997
01:52:17.560 --> 01:52:21.319
<v Speaker 1>somehow these things were crashing and it was crazy things.

1998
01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:23.279
<v Speaker 1>So I hear what you're saying as far as how

1999
01:52:23.680 --> 01:52:26.079
<v Speaker 1>a lot of This is probably our own research and

2000
01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:30.119
<v Speaker 1>development that people are able to see when take videos

2001
01:52:30.119 --> 01:52:31.720
<v Speaker 1>on their phones and put on social media, and it

2002
01:52:31.720 --> 01:52:34.279
<v Speaker 1>becomes a whole thing. But now, have you ever heard

2003
01:52:34.399 --> 01:52:38.119
<v Speaker 1>of Chris Bledsoe or the Bledsoe family and their experiences

2004
01:52:38.159 --> 01:52:39.000
<v Speaker 1>with these orbs?

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01:52:40.279 --> 01:52:41.399
<v Speaker 2>You know that sounds familiar?

2006
01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Chris Bledsoe, his family has a YouTube channel

2007
01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:47.319
<v Speaker 1>called Bledsoe said, So, he made his way on Fox before.

2008
01:52:47.399 --> 01:52:49.319
<v Speaker 1>He's been on Sean Ryan before. I think he was

2009
01:52:49.319 --> 01:52:51.119
<v Speaker 1>supposed to go on Rogan. I don't know if he

2010
01:52:51.159 --> 01:52:54.039
<v Speaker 1>actually did, but he on his family land has had

2011
01:52:54.119 --> 01:52:58.520
<v Speaker 1>a orb that has been flying into his backyard off

2012
01:52:58.520 --> 01:53:01.159
<v Speaker 1>and on for the for years. And he's even had

2013
01:53:01.239 --> 01:53:04.880
<v Speaker 1>conversations with some sort of a I'm going to call

2014
01:53:04.960 --> 01:53:08.560
<v Speaker 1>it creature. Some people would call it an entity. I'm

2015
01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:11.199
<v Speaker 1>not the person to make that judgment call. But has

2016
01:53:11.479 --> 01:53:14.199
<v Speaker 1>this woman came out and had a conversation and said

2017
01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:17.079
<v Speaker 1>her name was Hathor, which is odd because that's an

2018
01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:26.039
<v Speaker 1>it's an Egyptian goddess and so and and Chris Bledsoe

2019
01:53:26.159 --> 01:53:29.119
<v Speaker 1>is a Christian man and he doesn't believe that this

2020
01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:31.359
<v Speaker 1>is a demon. He believes he was speaking to an angel,

2021
01:53:31.399 --> 01:53:34.279
<v Speaker 1>which that's a whole conversation for another day, because when

2022
01:53:34.279 --> 01:53:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you look at the Egyptian deity itself, it was recognized

2023
01:53:37.039 --> 01:53:39.039
<v Speaker 1>as a demonic entity and there was even a plague

2024
01:53:39.079 --> 01:53:41.840
<v Speaker 1>that was specifically targeting at her when the you know,

2025
01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Moses in the whole thing. But some people believe that

2026
01:53:45.399 --> 01:53:48.960
<v Speaker 1>these are demonic entities. Some people believe these are angelic entities.

2027
01:53:49.399 --> 01:53:53.039
<v Speaker 1>My only pushback against that would be, since when do

2028
01:53:53.159 --> 01:53:57.520
<v Speaker 1>angels and demons need a vehicle? Like I must have

2029
01:53:57.640 --> 01:53:59.319
<v Speaker 1>missed that, and I know they're going to bring up

2030
01:53:59.319 --> 01:54:02.439
<v Speaker 1>biblically where well, they came on chariots a fire, So

2031
01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:03.279
<v Speaker 1>what does that look like?

2032
01:54:03.439 --> 01:54:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay, they have horses.

2033
01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:07.720
<v Speaker 1>But keeping yeah, they were riding a horse and the

2034
01:54:08.079 --> 01:54:10.960
<v Speaker 1>okay aside from prophetic things, right, because that's meant to

2035
01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:11.720
<v Speaker 1>be taken.

2036
01:54:11.479 --> 01:54:14.119
<v Speaker 3>With a grain and like maybe they upgraded.

2037
01:54:14.199 --> 01:54:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but even in the Egyptian and when the Jews

2038
01:54:17.079 --> 01:54:19.279
<v Speaker 1>or the Hebrews rather were leaving Egypt, they had these

2039
01:54:19.279 --> 01:54:21.960
<v Speaker 1>angels come down chariots of fire. And I've had to

2040
01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:25.279
<v Speaker 1>try to tell people, yeah, because at that time Egyptians

2041
01:54:25.279 --> 01:54:28.319
<v Speaker 1>didn't even know how to ride horses. They had war chariots,

2042
01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:30.640
<v Speaker 1>so if an angel is trying to give the image

2043
01:54:30.680 --> 01:54:32.920
<v Speaker 1>that he's here for war, he would be giving the

2044
01:54:32.960 --> 01:54:34.880
<v Speaker 1>image that he is in a war chariot.

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01:54:35.119 --> 01:54:37.840
<v Speaker 4>That maybe, to me, maybe Homie just wants to chill

2046
01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:41.119
<v Speaker 4>and like you know, cruise in and be like, hey.

2047
01:54:40.920 --> 01:54:44.199
<v Speaker 3>Guys, what's up. So he's chilling in a new vehicle.

2048
01:54:44.239 --> 01:54:44.720
<v Speaker 3>There you go.

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01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:47.000
<v Speaker 1>And that also kills me. For Egypt, with all of

2050
01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:49.880
<v Speaker 1>their crazy advanced technology, you're telling me they couldn't figure

2051
01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:52.800
<v Speaker 1>out what a saddle was like that they had to

2052
01:54:52.880 --> 01:54:55.479
<v Speaker 1>ride chariots for thousands of years. Meanwhile, the hit Tits

2053
01:54:55.880 --> 01:54:59.479
<v Speaker 1>accidentally learned how to ride horses with a blanket, but like,

2054
01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:01.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, they were chilling.

2055
01:55:01.079 --> 01:55:03.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, they didn't develop they didn't develop stirrups until

2056
01:55:03.760 --> 01:55:05.399
<v Speaker 2>it was the third or fourth century AD.

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01:55:05.920 --> 01:55:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, it was basically bareback riding. But then even still,

2058
01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:12.840
<v Speaker 1>the Higes lost that whenever their civilization collapsed. The whole

2059
01:55:12.920 --> 01:55:17.039
<v Speaker 1>riding horses thing that went away for what two thousand years?

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01:55:17.640 --> 01:55:20.600
<v Speaker 1>It's mind blowing anyway. Well, no, that's not fair. Maybe

2061
01:55:20.600 --> 01:55:23.159
<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred. The Greeks with Alexander, he was pretty good

2062
01:55:23.199 --> 01:55:26.399
<v Speaker 1>at his mounted cavalry, So that's a bit of a misnomer.

2063
01:55:26.439 --> 01:55:30.720
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, anyway, so as far as the orbs potentially

2064
01:55:30.800 --> 01:55:33.800
<v Speaker 1>being of a spiritual nature, you are of the opinion

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01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:38.680
<v Speaker 1>that the vast majority of them are human made tech.

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01:55:39.640 --> 01:55:43.520
<v Speaker 2>I think so, and I based that on you know,

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01:55:43.680 --> 01:55:46.279
<v Speaker 2>the Foo fighters, because what they did was they were

2068
01:55:46.359 --> 01:55:50.159
<v Speaker 2>gloy orbs and they buzzed American aircraft. They also buzzed

2069
01:55:50.199 --> 01:55:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Nazi aircraft too.

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01:55:51.439 --> 01:55:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but more you.

2071
01:55:53.319 --> 01:55:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Know, the Allied aircraft, And so I think what they

2072
01:55:56.960 --> 01:56:00.760
<v Speaker 2>were was they were an experiment or or they were

2073
01:56:00.760 --> 01:56:05.399
<v Speaker 2>developing a technology that they didn't get to finish because

2074
01:56:05.439 --> 01:56:07.760
<v Speaker 2>they were pretty much harmless. They just flew around the

2075
01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:11.560
<v Speaker 2>American aircraft or the Allied aircraft that didn't really do anything.

2076
01:56:13.239 --> 01:56:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I think that that that's probably what they what they were,

2077
01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:20.319
<v Speaker 2>and I think that that's probably what they are now.

2078
01:56:21.800 --> 01:56:25.680
<v Speaker 2>But I really haven't formed a solid opinion on that.

2079
01:56:26.159 --> 01:56:29.680
<v Speaker 1>So you don't believe that it was ball lightning, correct, Sorry,

2080
01:56:29.760 --> 01:56:32.880
<v Speaker 1>you don't believe that this was ball light which is

2081
01:56:32.920 --> 01:56:36.359
<v Speaker 1>also preposterous to me that the conditions to make ball

2082
01:56:36.479 --> 01:56:41.199
<v Speaker 1>lightning happen are so rare that I mean, it might

2083
01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:45.000
<v Speaker 1>happen one time on Earth in a generation. But yeah,

2084
01:56:45.079 --> 01:56:46.760
<v Speaker 1>they make it seem like it's just a thing that

2085
01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:49.199
<v Speaker 1>happens all the time. It's crazy what these quote unquote

2086
01:56:49.199 --> 01:56:52.119
<v Speaker 1>experts will spin as far as the narrative's concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, Historically, ball lightning is very very rare, right,

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01:56:57.760 --> 01:57:01.039
<v Speaker 2>sat almost fire, that's what sailors to call it. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't happen very often. I mean, there's very few

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01:57:04.800 --> 01:57:09.199
<v Speaker 2>reported occurrences. Columbus saw some. Yeah, when he was on

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01:57:09.199 --> 01:57:12.119
<v Speaker 2>his way and his first voyage over to America. There

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01:57:12.199 --> 01:57:14.760
<v Speaker 2>was a report in his log of bull of ball

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01:57:14.880 --> 01:57:17.760
<v Speaker 2>lightning that struck his the mast of his ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:57:18.359 --> 01:57:22.479
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, No, these these blue orbs, they're they're definitely

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<v Speaker 2>not ball lightening. And I mean they're they're they're controlled

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01:57:25.239 --> 01:57:29.319
<v Speaker 2>because they i mean they maneuver, yeah, exactly, and so

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01:57:29.680 --> 01:57:31.880
<v Speaker 2>they're under some form of intelligent control.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's examples that you can find of Saint Elmo's

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01:57:34.680 --> 01:57:37.439
<v Speaker 1>fire even still today, like if on on wings of

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01:57:37.479 --> 01:57:40.760
<v Speaker 1>planes when they're flying through electrical storms, you'll see sparks

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01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:44.119
<v Speaker 1>coming off of the wings, and it's typically nothing to

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01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:46.439
<v Speaker 1>worry about or anything like that. But to say that

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01:57:46.600 --> 01:57:49.199
<v Speaker 1>it formed into its own independent ball and it was

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01:57:49.279 --> 01:57:54.479
<v Speaker 1>just shooting around multiple aircraft on multiple dog fights from

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01:57:54.520 --> 01:57:59.560
<v Speaker 1>both sides of the conflict. Like, that's that's a bit preposterous, honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, do you know on commercial aircraft at the end

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01:58:02.880 --> 01:58:06.239
<v Speaker 2>of the tip of the wing they have that that

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01:58:06.239 --> 01:58:09.920
<v Speaker 2>that bit that kind of goes up straight up. I

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01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:11.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know, it's a couple of feet, you know, it's

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01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:14.800
<v Speaker 2>just an extension of the wing, but it goes ninety

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<v Speaker 2>degrees up. That is actually to discharge electric electricity that

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01:58:20.760 --> 01:58:24.800
<v Speaker 2>builds up over the surface of the wing in flight. Yeah,

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01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:27.720
<v Speaker 2>and so you know, if you're careful and you can,

2115
01:58:27.800 --> 01:58:29.800
<v Speaker 2>you can watch it. You can see it actually zap

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01:58:29.840 --> 01:58:31.680
<v Speaker 2>and discharge that electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically a floating ground, yeah, which exactly. I was

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01:58:35.760 --> 01:58:37.680
<v Speaker 1>an electrician at one point in time and we actually

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01:58:37.720 --> 01:58:39.600
<v Speaker 1>ended up using a floating ground on half of our

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01:58:39.600 --> 01:58:43.239
<v Speaker 1>facility because it was wired up before nom not joking

2121
01:58:43.319 --> 01:58:45.119
<v Speaker 1>on that, so like it was, and a lot of

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01:58:45.119 --> 01:58:47.920
<v Speaker 1>people use it in industry in place of a tiebreaker.

2123
01:58:48.039 --> 01:58:51.039
<v Speaker 1>But that's we're getting into like industry things at that point.

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01:58:51.359 --> 01:58:53.279
<v Speaker 1>And I've had that conversation with a lot of flat

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01:58:53.279 --> 01:58:55.840
<v Speaker 1>earthers too that say that space is fake and that

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01:58:56.439 --> 01:58:59.319
<v Speaker 1>the satellites that we have these astronauts on is all fake?

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01:58:59.520 --> 01:59:01.800
<v Speaker 1>How do they have electricity out there with no ground?

2128
01:59:02.279 --> 01:59:04.199
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, you could just use a series of

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01:59:04.239 --> 01:59:06.960
<v Speaker 1>like step down transformers to make it negligible. It's not

2130
01:59:07.239 --> 01:59:10.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not actual rocket science. That's very rudimentary electrical science

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01:59:10.520 --> 01:59:13.640
<v Speaker 1>at that point. And yeah, even planes use that as

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01:59:13.760 --> 01:59:18.000
<v Speaker 1>basically a floating ground to discharge extra static into the

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01:59:18.000 --> 01:59:19.840
<v Speaker 1>clouds with no ground in sight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to take my phone, but I'm using

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01:59:23.439 --> 01:59:24.840
<v Speaker 2>it to hold my camera. Yeah.

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01:59:24.880 --> 01:59:25.720
<v Speaker 1>I get that me too.

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01:59:25.760 --> 01:59:29.479
<v Speaker 2>My iPhone doesn't have a ground, right, there's no ground

2138
01:59:29.479 --> 01:59:31.960
<v Speaker 2>on it. I carried around, put it in my pocket,

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01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:34.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, stick it in my car, and there's no

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01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:35.079
<v Speaker 2>ground there.

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01:59:35.399 --> 01:59:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it's just magic according to some people. I guess

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01:59:39.720 --> 01:59:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, right, I do have a quick question about your books.

2144
01:59:45.039 --> 01:59:49.239
<v Speaker 4>Where can people actually purchase your books? And like, where

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01:59:49.359 --> 01:59:51.760
<v Speaker 4>is there a place that you're selling them, like Amazon

2146
01:59:51.960 --> 01:59:52.760
<v Speaker 4>or anything like that.

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01:59:52.840 --> 01:59:56.399
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you can find them on Amazon, you can find

2148
01:59:56.439 --> 01:59:58.439
<v Speaker 2>them on Barnes and Noble, and you can find them

2149
01:59:58.479 --> 02:00:06.920
<v Speaker 2>on most of the bookseller platforms. Okay, I should have

2150
02:00:06.920 --> 02:00:08.279
<v Speaker 2>done I was going to do this before.

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02:00:08.600 --> 02:00:09.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, and we got out.

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02:00:10.479 --> 02:00:12.439
<v Speaker 2>That's Okay. What I wanted to do is give you

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02:00:12.479 --> 02:00:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the address of my publisher, because if you buy the

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02:00:17.600 --> 02:00:21.000
<v Speaker 2>book directly from my publisher, I get fifty percent five zero.

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02:00:21.199 --> 02:00:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, plug the publisher, let's go.

2156
02:00:23.880 --> 02:00:26.279
<v Speaker 2>If if you buy it through Amazon or Barnes and

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02:00:26.279 --> 02:00:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Noble or whatever, I only get fifteen wow. Okay, So

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02:00:31.439 --> 02:00:34.920
<v Speaker 2>what I will do is I will email that link

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02:00:34.960 --> 02:00:37.239
<v Speaker 2>to you and then you can you can put it

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<v Speaker 2>up if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, of course. Okay, okay, thank you for that, oh

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02:00:42.479 --> 02:00:43.359
<v Speaker 1>for sure. For sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus, I really wanted to read them. I'm not gonna lie.

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02:00:45.720 --> 02:00:47.399
<v Speaker 3>I was like, where can I read these? That's what

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02:00:47.439 --> 02:00:48.399
<v Speaker 3>I was trying to get at.

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02:00:48.439 --> 02:00:50.279
<v Speaker 4>I was like, so I really want to read your

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02:00:50.319 --> 02:00:52.840
<v Speaker 4>series because obviously I like to read, so I'm quite

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02:00:52.920 --> 02:00:56.199
<v Speaker 4>interested in seeing how it goes and what it's all about.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm almost finished book five, so I'm hoping to

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02:01:01.039 --> 02:01:05.800
<v Speaker 2>have that out probably in the spring, and then I'm

2172
02:01:05.840 --> 02:01:10.720
<v Speaker 2>just I'm just beginning to plot out book six, so

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02:01:10.880 --> 02:01:13.560
<v Speaker 2>it should come along hopefully about a year a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit later. Book five. It's it's taken me a little

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<v Speaker 2>while to get it out because almost three years ago

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<v Speaker 2>my wife passed away.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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02:01:23.600 --> 02:01:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Three year battle with cancer, and she was a really

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02:01:29.359 --> 02:01:35.520
<v Speaker 2>really big part of my writing process, and so now

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<v Speaker 2>that she's gone, I'm struggling.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, because I don't have her to help me.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's heartbreaking. I'm sorry to hear that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm trying to get it finished and get it published,

2185
02:01:51.119 --> 02:01:54.119
<v Speaker 2>but it's been difficult. Without her input and without her support,

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02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:55.720
<v Speaker 2>it's been hard.

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02:01:55.920 --> 02:01:58.159
<v Speaker 3>So I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>But but I will send you that link to the publisher, yes, sir,

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02:02:02.000 --> 02:02:06.000
<v Speaker 2>where you can buy all four books. My adventure novel

2190
02:02:06.039 --> 02:02:09.600
<v Speaker 2>about the Vikings in North America that's no longer in print,

2191
02:02:09.640 --> 02:02:11.359
<v Speaker 2>but I'll see if I can find a copy and

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02:02:11.399 --> 02:02:11.960
<v Speaker 2>send it to you.

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<v Speaker 3>That'd be so wonderful. Thank you so much. It sounds

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02:02:16.399 --> 02:02:17.119
<v Speaker 3>great to read.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely Okay, So, as we're getting to the wrap up

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode, I did want to ask you this.

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<v Speaker 1>With all of the things that we have talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this evening, from the very beginning of the anti gravity conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>to the orbs, the different levels of alien entities, to

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02:02:33.560 --> 02:02:37.560
<v Speaker 1>the interdimensional, to the things that are being disclosed to

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<v Speaker 1>us today, to the technology they're working on that's fifty

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<v Speaker 1>years in the future that we haven't even imagined yet.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you personally, just speaking on behalf of Peter,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think is about to happen next? As

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<v Speaker 1>far as that conversation goes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a tough one.

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02:02:54.000 --> 02:02:57.560
<v Speaker 1>It is it is. There's no questions, there's no answers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the best part.

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<v Speaker 3>Put the spotlight on him.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess what I think will happen, Well, everybody's been

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<v Speaker 2>talking about disclosure, right where the government's going to come

2212
02:03:15.239 --> 02:03:16.760
<v Speaker 2>out and they're going to say, yeah, we've had all

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02:03:16.760 --> 02:03:19.000
<v Speaker 2>of this stuff and working on this stuff, and yes

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<v Speaker 2>UFO is real, and we've had contact with these entities

2215
02:03:22.800 --> 02:03:25.600
<v Speaker 2>and all this kind of stuff. I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen, Okay, I don't. I think that what

2217
02:03:29.239 --> 02:03:33.920
<v Speaker 2>they might do is they might let you know, small things,

2218
02:03:34.239 --> 02:03:39.560
<v Speaker 2>unimportant things leak out, you know, from time to time.

2219
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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think there's going to be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there won't be a flying saucer that lands on the

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<v Speaker 2>White House lawn and you know the President comes out

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<v Speaker 2>and says, oh, there you are. You know we've been

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02:03:49.279 --> 02:03:50.359
<v Speaker 2>waiting for you kind of think.

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<v Speaker 1>So, no, Operation Bluebeam is going to be in the

2225
02:03:52.840 --> 02:03:55.920
<v Speaker 1>works where We're going to just have this mass unveiling

2226
02:03:55.920 --> 02:03:58.960
<v Speaker 1>where the aliens come and introduce themselves to humanity, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's beyond the point where the government can cover it up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not coming in your opinion.

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02:04:02.840 --> 02:04:06.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't think so. There is the possibility

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02:04:06.520 --> 02:04:11.479
<v Speaker 2>of a false flag event, sure, where the military fakes

2231
02:04:11.680 --> 02:04:16.439
<v Speaker 2>an alien invasion, and what that does is that that

2232
02:04:18.039 --> 02:04:22.920
<v Speaker 2>gives them more control because uh, and since we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about conspiracies, I don't. I think that the COVID thing

2234
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<v Speaker 2>was a test. I think it was just to see

2235
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<v Speaker 2>how uh how much the general population would go along

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<v Speaker 2>with the scenario.

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<v Speaker 4>Agreed, That's exactly what I've said from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, the thing is is that the average

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<v Speaker 2>flu is more deadly than COVID was from from the

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<v Speaker 2>flu than they ever did from COVID, and those a

2241
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<v Speaker 2>lot of people that died was from taking the vaccine,

2242
02:04:53.279 --> 02:04:58.359
<v Speaker 2>and that's been documented. It's not a conspiracy. So I

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02:04:58.399 --> 02:05:01.039
<v Speaker 2>think that that was probably the I run and that

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02:05:01.119 --> 02:05:04.760
<v Speaker 2>there's something else coming where they're they're gonna do something

2245
02:05:04.760 --> 02:05:07.319
<v Speaker 2>else and it's gonna be okay. You know, You're not

2246
02:05:07.560 --> 02:05:09.640
<v Speaker 2>just going to be locked down in your houses we've

2247
02:05:09.680 --> 02:05:15.560
<v Speaker 2>got we've got femaun and we're gonna we're gonna, you know,

2248
02:05:16.680 --> 02:05:19.760
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna herd you into them that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I think that, you know, on the horizon,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a possibility. As far as technology goes, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we'll see a phaser.

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02:05:33.319 --> 02:05:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, why not? As far as war fighting is concerned,

2253
02:05:38.159 --> 02:05:41.399
<v Speaker 1>especially with how they are breaking down and reinventing even

2254
02:05:41.479 --> 02:05:44.319
<v Speaker 1>the very basis of the infantry squad and the infantry

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02:05:44.319 --> 02:05:47.640
<v Speaker 1>fire team. They are integrating more technology by the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think we're not going to start seeing

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<v Speaker 1>phasers or even rail guns or something along these lines

2258
02:05:54.239 --> 02:05:55.920
<v Speaker 1>as far as our kinetic forces go.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that they want to keep that sort

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02:05:59.560 --> 02:06:03.920
<v Speaker 2>of thing secret. What what the the What they're developing

2261
02:06:04.000 --> 02:06:08.520
<v Speaker 2>now in the research that I've done, is they're developing

2262
02:06:08.600 --> 02:06:15.119
<v Speaker 2>neural links so that they can incorporate a hybrid form

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<v Speaker 2>of a soldier that can access technology right through through

2264
02:06:21.720 --> 02:06:25.359
<v Speaker 2>its through its mind, through through the soldier's mind by

2265
02:06:25.399 --> 02:06:29.720
<v Speaker 2>thinking about things. You know, like, well, okay, in my novels,

2266
02:06:29.880 --> 02:06:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I have a neural link for the TR three B

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<v Speaker 2>right where you have there's there's actually a crew of three,

2268
02:06:37.159 --> 02:06:40.319
<v Speaker 2>and then there's bird Brain, remember the AI computer, And

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02:06:40.359 --> 02:06:43.600
<v Speaker 2>they're all connected through a neural link, and that's how

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<v Speaker 2>they fly this thing, and that's how they fight with it.

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02:06:46.119 --> 02:06:49.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you say I never saw a

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<v Speaker 2>Pacific RIM.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm old.

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02:06:51.520 --> 02:06:55.359
<v Speaker 4>School, So Pacific RIM is relatively like the last decade.

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<v Speaker 4>But they pretty much are neurlinked to these giant, massive robots,

2276
02:07:00.119 --> 02:07:03.239
<v Speaker 4>so they fight aliens here on Earth, and they are

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02:07:03.319 --> 02:07:06.079
<v Speaker 4>completely there's there're two pairs, some of them have three

2278
02:07:06.119 --> 02:07:09.560
<v Speaker 4>depending on how big the robots are and seth and

2279
02:07:09.680 --> 02:07:13.640
<v Speaker 4>they're completely linked to each other, to this actual vessel,

2280
02:07:13.960 --> 02:07:15.399
<v Speaker 4>and they control it through their mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's the movie that I was thinking of

2282
02:07:19.359 --> 02:07:22.119
<v Speaker 2>was with Clint Eastwood back in the eighties, I think,

2283
02:07:22.479 --> 02:07:25.920
<v Speaker 2>where he steals a Russian mag and the Russian meg

2284
02:07:26.079 --> 02:07:29.720
<v Speaker 2>has been developed with a neural interface so that as

2285
02:07:29.720 --> 02:07:32.520
<v Speaker 2>he's flying the jet in combat, all he has to

2286
02:07:32.560 --> 02:07:36.439
<v Speaker 2>do is think and it fires a missile, or all

2287
02:07:36.439 --> 02:07:39.000
<v Speaker 2>he has to do is think and it you know,

2288
02:07:39.039 --> 02:07:42.279
<v Speaker 2>it goes supersonic or whatever. So so there's a there's

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02:07:42.279 --> 02:07:44.479
<v Speaker 2>a neural interface that connects him and the and the

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02:07:44.520 --> 02:07:49.159
<v Speaker 2>aircraft the same as your as your your Pacific rim right,

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02:07:49.520 --> 02:07:51.560
<v Speaker 2>and I think that they're getting close to that. I

2292
02:07:51.600 --> 02:07:53.520
<v Speaker 2>know that Elon Musk has been working on that.

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02:07:54.159 --> 02:07:56.399
<v Speaker 3>Neuralink has been implanted.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think that that may be something that

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<v Speaker 2>we see in in the next few years.

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<v Speaker 4>There's actually an AI there's a group over I forget

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<v Speaker 4>where it is. It's overseas. I've talked about it before.

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<v Speaker 4>You can actually look it up on YouTube. They have

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<v Speaker 4>actually connected. They'll have a person be sitting in a

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<v Speaker 4>room and they've neuro linked it in a way to

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<v Speaker 4>where they're controlling the robot in and around the facility

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02:08:20.680 --> 02:08:23.359
<v Speaker 4>away from it, and it's doing all these things via

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02:08:23.960 --> 02:08:28.439
<v Speaker 4>just communicating with it through the brain waves. Essentially, you're

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<v Speaker 4>telling it, hey, I want to walk over here, I

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<v Speaker 4>want to pick up this, I want to do this

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<v Speaker 4>that They're saying that it's made for people that are

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<v Speaker 4>like quadriplegic or things like that, so that way they

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<v Speaker 4>or their main goal is to be able to allow

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<v Speaker 4>people to stay in their home but still work mentally

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<v Speaker 4>out and about they've talked about that as well, say

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<v Speaker 4>that there's an entire YouTube video you can watch where

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<v Speaker 4>they break it down step by step and pretty much

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<v Speaker 4>talk all about how they've been doing this. Same with

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<v Speaker 4>the one that maps your entire memory and it shows

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02:08:57.720 --> 02:09:00.760
<v Speaker 4>that your photos and it breaks down differ diferent sections

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02:09:00.800 --> 02:09:03.720
<v Speaker 4>and it adds memory and feelings to each photo. And

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<v Speaker 4>so as you're watching it back, you're pretty much creating

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<v Speaker 4>your entire memory map from that specific AI.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is why I'm terrified of AI.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>More and more crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Will us about that where the people stay in their

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02:09:16.840 --> 02:09:20.560
<v Speaker 2>homes and they send out an avatar they interact with

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02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:24.159
<v Speaker 2>the world. Yeah, and DARPA, I know is developing is

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02:09:24.199 --> 02:09:27.880
<v Speaker 2>working on something like that where the soldier stays in

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<v Speaker 2>a warehouse and the and the robot that he's neural

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02:09:31.600 --> 02:09:34.520
<v Speaker 2>linked to goes out onto the battlefield. And that way

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to worry about casualties, you know, I

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02:09:37.079 --> 02:09:40.399
<v Speaker 2>worry about, you know, the human casualty aspect. The robot

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02:09:40.399 --> 02:09:42.920
<v Speaker 2>gets blows up, gets blown up, you just bring out

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<v Speaker 2>another robot.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're developing normal robots these days right now. How

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<v Speaker 1>the BMW plant, As a matter of fact, they just

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02:09:49.960 --> 02:09:53.159
<v Speaker 1>retired like ten thousand robots that they were using to

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02:09:53.319 --> 02:09:56.640
<v Speaker 1>build their cars because they started getting dinged up and

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02:09:56.960 --> 02:10:01.039
<v Speaker 1>they're not functioning to the to thefficiency level that they

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02:10:01.039 --> 02:10:03.720
<v Speaker 1>did when they first bought them, But that's the there's doing.

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02:10:03.760 --> 02:10:08.039
<v Speaker 1>They're doing so much more development with robotics by the day.

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02:10:08.479 --> 02:10:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Elon is trying to be at the forefront of that,

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02:10:11.239 --> 02:10:14.159
<v Speaker 1>as well as being at the forefront of space exploration

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02:10:14.319 --> 02:10:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and having reusable rockets Mars itself. Now, let me ask

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02:10:17.920 --> 02:10:20.399
<v Speaker 1>you this, mister Peter, what is your thoughts on if

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02:10:20.439 --> 02:10:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Elon is going to be the first human to try

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<v Speaker 1>to colonize Mars. Do you think he'll succeed in that

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<v Speaker 1>or do you think it will be a government entity itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, here he said that they are on Mars currently.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, So.

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<v Speaker 2>That was there's a base on Mars. Now, I think

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02:10:37.079 --> 02:10:39.199
<v Speaker 2>that Elon will be surprised when he gets there and

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02:10:39.239 --> 02:10:40.680
<v Speaker 2>realizes somebody beat him to.

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<v Speaker 1>It, damn.

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<v Speaker 2>But but then, you know, the thing is is that

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<v Speaker 2>the military.

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02:10:45.000 --> 02:10:51.960
<v Speaker 6>And uh you know, uh, the the the secret Space program,

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02:10:52.399 --> 02:10:56.640
<v Speaker 6>they have a lot of pull and so you know

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02:10:57.159 --> 02:11:00.880
<v Speaker 6>if if if somebody you know, tries to crowd they're

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02:11:00.920 --> 02:11:01.840
<v Speaker 6>not going to let them.

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02:11:02.159 --> 02:11:02.359
<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, Elon, you can land on Mars, but you're going

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02:11:05.720 --> 02:11:07.880
<v Speaker 2>to be on the opposite side of the planet from us,

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02:11:08.479 --> 02:11:11.960
<v Speaker 2>so that you won't affect our operations. Uh, you know

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02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:14.279
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing. I mean with with China and

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02:11:14.319 --> 02:11:19.560
<v Speaker 2>India landing probes on the Moon on the dark side

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02:11:19.560 --> 02:11:20.039
<v Speaker 2>of the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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02:11:21.359 --> 02:11:24.880
<v Speaker 2>You got to remember, these guys have cloaking technology, so

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02:11:25.640 --> 02:11:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, they can just cloak their base, yes, and

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02:11:28.880 --> 02:11:32.640
<v Speaker 2>and the probes can't see it. Uh you know, but again,

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02:11:32.680 --> 02:11:34.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that they would let them get close

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02:11:34.439 --> 02:11:38.560
<v Speaker 2>enough that they would be an intrusion. So, and that's

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02:11:38.600 --> 02:11:41.359
<v Speaker 2>just my personal opinion. I'm not saying, you know, emphatically

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02:11:41.720 --> 02:11:44.640
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that. That's just I believe, you know,

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02:11:44.720 --> 02:11:47.199
<v Speaker 2>based on what I've you know, the research I've done

2374
02:11:47.199 --> 02:11:50.840
<v Speaker 2>on them, I think that that's probably their their standard

2375
02:11:50.840 --> 02:11:51.760
<v Speaker 2>operating procedure.

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02:11:51.960 --> 02:11:57.560
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, okay, wow, all right, Well, I think we

2377
02:11:57.640 --> 02:12:00.239
<v Speaker 1>have kept you on long enough. I would love have

2378
02:12:00.279 --> 02:12:02.079
<v Speaker 1>you come back on the show as a guest at

2379
02:12:02.119 --> 02:12:04.520
<v Speaker 1>a later dates. We could go even further into some

2380
02:12:04.560 --> 02:12:06.560
<v Speaker 1>of these things. There were some questions that I wish

2381
02:12:06.600 --> 02:12:08.039
<v Speaker 1>I could have gotten to ask you, but I know

2382
02:12:08.119 --> 02:12:10.279
<v Speaker 1>that you know, time is of the essence on this one.

2383
02:12:11.000 --> 02:12:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Writ Yeah, We've.

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02:12:12.880 --> 02:12:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Got this has been a blast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have a ton of books. I have a

2386
02:12:18.039 --> 02:12:18.800
<v Speaker 3>ton of notes, take.

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02:12:18.720 --> 02:12:21.279
<v Speaker 2>A list, and and I'd love to come back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir, I'm gonna read you.

2389
02:12:23.720 --> 02:12:25.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna at least read one or two of your

2390
02:12:25.359 --> 02:12:26.560
<v Speaker 4>novels before you come back.

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<v Speaker 3>And I read quickly, so it's not it's not a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yes, indeed, all right. So, uh, mister Fuller, if

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02:12:33.279 --> 02:12:35.359
<v Speaker 1>anybody would like to reach out to you and would

2394
02:12:35.359 --> 02:12:37.520
<v Speaker 1>like to ask you these questions or find more information

2395
02:12:37.560 --> 02:12:40.119
<v Speaker 1>about your book, your research, your armor, whatever the case,

2396
02:12:40.520 --> 02:12:42.319
<v Speaker 1>where could the good cult members find you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you have my my email address. Just give them

2398
02:12:45.520 --> 02:12:50.359
<v Speaker 2>my email address. I'm happy to answer whatever questions anybody has,

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02:12:50.840 --> 02:12:53.039
<v Speaker 2>and I do that even now, you know, like from

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<v Speaker 2>my website, like how you found me. You know, people

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02:12:57.279 --> 02:13:01.359
<v Speaker 2>email me and they ask me different things. I'm happy

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02:13:01.359 --> 02:13:04.760
<v Speaker 2>to answer any questions or you know, dialogue. I've actually

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<v Speaker 2>made a couple of friends over the years and we

2404
02:13:09.359 --> 02:13:12.920
<v Speaker 2>converse back and forth. So you know what, I'm not

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02:13:12.960 --> 02:13:17.560
<v Speaker 2>one of these guys that is really super private. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>People take the time to read my novels, then I

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<v Speaker 2>say thank you by making myself available.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, what is your website's name?

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<v Speaker 2>Just so everybody knows it's www dot solar dash Warden

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<v Speaker 2>dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, awesome, excellent, excellent, sir. With all this being said,

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