Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to The Gimmick WrestleMania
Night one review. I'm the architect Tress. Now I'm joined.
I just saw your name.
Speaker 2: It works in two ways, really it does.
Speaker 1: Mister kissed by the del s bubs. How you doing
tonight on this easter slash WrestleMania weekend?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: I'm doing good, good, good good. So, yeah, we're gonna
be talking about WrestleMania. We David will be joining us
in a little bit. He's just driving back from where
he was watching it. But yeah, mostly WrestleMania one. We're
gonna go over the draft a little bit. We're going
talk about stand Deliver David sbobc the whole thing, and
I've seen the back half of it, but we're gonna
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we've been waiting for for a while. So we started
this podcast last year for around WrestleMania time, and like
we said, we've come here for now over a year.
But yeah, here we are. Spos. How's the draft stuff looking?
Do you need more time or you want me.
Speaker 2: To thank you? All I have to put in here
is just some bonus points.
Speaker 1: Bonus points. Yeah, so while you're doing that, I will
read off the list for if you don't know. What
we do is we have a draft works like a
sports fantasy draft where we all drafted ten superstars that
we want to do well. We do have eleven slot
for the jobber pick, so people that lose, so I'll
go over Sposi spos has, John Cena, Gunder, Penta Eosky,
Naomi Bailey. We'll talk about that. I'm sure you're not
happy about that potential stuff going on there. Jimmy USO Phoenix,
that's a that's a steel pick Phoenix right there went
from like we'll talk about the actual match, but I'm
always like, why do like that happened, Tiffany. There's many
feel that sometimes lately in the Triple H era, they
debut a few weeks before reestumating. It's like, oh, that's
weird stuff. Look at Phoenix man a couple months ago
stuck in Quantanamo Bay and then gets released just on
SmackDown and be like, Okay, he's gonna be on there
getting ready for Estmania and then gets a one on
one match also under the circumstances you want. But what
a crazy storm. What a sleeper pick for you, because
that's like you're gonna get points anyways, but still.
Speaker 2: Not not that good. It's they are kind of weird ones.
I feel like there's some I got, like some underrated ones.
Speaker 1: I think, well and Russo is another good sleeper pick
you might have because this Randy or an open challenge
just happens is more and then round out you got
rock Stand prez espos Jobber pick is solo, so jobbers
mean if you lose that gets you points, and then
the rest of the points are all based on title wins,
main events stuff like that, stipulation matches and on pay
per views are double rest so Mania, we have some
cash and stuff similar many Bank money Bank, which we'll
talk about in Roy Rumble, My Pick's Rhea Ripley, seth Rawlins,
My Boy Now, bron Breaker, Charlotte Flair, Jay Usso, Randy
Warton Live, Morgan Jacob to Alistair Black and Lyra Valkyria.
My jobber is Austin Theory. And then David's pick Bastard
took Cooley Roads for me again, Cody Rhodes, Beyond capell Air,
c Him Punk, Chelsea Knight, l A Knight, Knight, Chelsea
Green and La that's actually a badass name, Chelsea Knight,
Chelsea Green and l A Knight, Drew McIntyre, Tiffany Strand,
Jake Cargo, Finn Balor, Montese Ford and his jobber is
Carmel and Hayes, which I can't reve.
Speaker 2: Lucky didn't start didn't start counting yesterday. I want to
drop like that's a minus twenty right there.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how do you feel in David
David Hughes join us the number one Paul Hyman guy,
uh one, how are you doing? And too, how do
you feel about your job? Are coming on? Hayes winning
the you know, prestigious Andre the Giant Battle Royal. You
know he picked him as a jobber, but maybe this
is the start of the new bush, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited for number one. Sorry, I'm late. I
really booked it thirty some minutes down the highway to
make it here on time. But as far as Carmelo Hayes, yeah,
I'm excited for him to join such great people as
Mojo Raleigh and Matt cat Moss, you know, previous winners
of the Andre Memorial Battle Royal. So I kind of
still think that Carmelo is in good hands.
Speaker 1: And good Oh for you being a job like that,
good job. I don't want you to say that I
don't like that, I thinek okay, So let me just
go down those winners quickly. I mean, I have like
a loser bracket and a winter brack.
Speaker 2: I saw the fullest I think yesterday, but definitely go
through it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Cizzarrow at the time was a win because that
was the start of the big like as have you
ever watched Wrestling thirty.
Speaker 2: Not the full mast Okay full show.
Speaker 1: I've seen like parts of it legitimately, I was there
alive and on the ground with people. Cizarrow was one
of the most over people in the world, and almost
we're hoping he'd be in the battle. But I'd say
Cizarrow's a win. Big shows like a win because like
it's a legendary picture.
Speaker 2: It's like he had to win it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Baron Corman, I still put there because that was
the service push. That was from like getting NXT there
set works. Then you got Mojo Matt Hardy. That's I
don't know if that's a winner, like broken Matt Hardy. Yeah,
I'll put him in the loss because it didn't really
do much. Bronz Stroman bron Schroman's always a loss, like
the runner was calling Joe's from sn L. You fucking
kidding me, that's a loss, Jay Uso. I'll put it
as a win, but that was just like we just
need to give it to somebody to give to Jay
Madcap Moss loss Babby last year. I'm putting in the
lost category because it was.
Speaker 2: For a legendary moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like just doing the whatever. So we're five came
out Bronson Reid I put as a win because he
did get pushed last year. Yeah, and then Hayes is
a TVD so right now we have it to me
is six wins and four losses for actually meaning them.
So hopefully Hayes is in the the six category. But
we're not gonna talk that too much, you know, check
out any other podcast to review the battley. We're here
talking about WrestleMania forty one. So a night one s bubs,
What did you think of the show overall? Five match card,
no big surprises, no other kind of segments or anything
like that's what do you think from start to finish
of the night.
Speaker 2: I'd say overall, I enjoyed it. I think there's definitely
some I don't know if i'd say like letdowns, because
I don't know if there's any match I would give
like a bail too. But I think there are a
few matches that sort of like disappointed or like underwhelmed.
But at the same time, there's some matches that I
saw other people not liking as much and I thought
were really great. And then obviously there were some ones
there that just absolutely delivered or even over delivered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, David, I thought it was looking by two very
good matches and then yeah, there was up and down
with some of the matches there, but I'd give it,
you know, it was a solid Night one of WrestleMania.
There was nothing too out of the ordinary. I mean,
I'm happy. If you were following me on x formally
known as Twitter, I went seven and her on my WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: Picurea so here.
Speaker 3: I am out here undefeated for Night one, So I'm
happy with that. But yeah, for the most part, things
kind of went the way that I expected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, I was I think it's a very
rocky show. It's funny when we did the predictions and
we kind of talked about like night one, Night two,
and I said, oh, the reason more excited for Night
one is Night two to me looks like a two
match type of card, and that's what this ended up being.
I'd say three because we'll get to it. But one
match in the mid card completely over delivered. If you
listen to predictions, I thought I wrote it off.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I think I think I was
the one saying it was gonna be really good.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, and I'll completely admit when I'm wrong,
like no, and we'll get there like, oh that really worked.
Main event delivered big time. I don't think any of
us were show but to me, like s Web said,
I think it over delivered. We'll get there because David
did talk about some stuff. But you never know, Like
that's a tough thing when you have fun prediction and
fantasy booking and stuff sory trip. I can't sit and
be like I just enjoyed the show. I'm not critical. No, no,
like that's the thing though, it's like, oh that sounds
like a great idea, but you know, let's see some
of those great ideas were delivered. And then so yeah,
I think the first three matches it was a very
rocky start. I will say it's probably the weakest Wrestledmania,
like because it's tough.
Speaker 2: It's so i'd say, like all the everything that happened
makes sense and works like on paper. Yeah, like if
you just showed me the decisions of every single match,
I could understand like, okay, this makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything made sense. I think there's just some stuff
in between the matches that it just didn't completely gel
or like even stuff we even talk about predictions like
Newgate New Newgate, New Days and Viking Raiders, like a
stip would have been nice. And again I agree with
that side. I don't think anything was a fail. I
wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: It's just that when there's no John c Universus Austin Theory, no.
Speaker 1: Or no Ja and Jimmy right, there's that. It's just
that I think it there's stuff that underdelivered, or I
agree some people where it just lacked a WrestleMania feel.
Speaker 4: I felt like the stretch of yeah, it was kind
of like what people say WrestleMania fifteen, where it's like
it's just like raw.
Speaker 1: But like yes, and that's that's why I say this
is like a half half, it's a fifty percent, and
I wouldn't fail it. But I'd say when they've started
doing the Night one Night Two's, I think that's probably
the weakest one they've done since the like the the
COVID Era, which is pretty good because COVID was that
was a fucking whatever show, Like I can't blame them
for that, right, but.
Speaker 3: So many things had to be changed with that, so
I mean we understood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think even that I'd say the WrestleMania
after because like you had Sasha Bianca. But I remember
those nights were a little wonky. Ever since then, I
think wrestman has always said like just pretty much a
very good to great night. I think this had great
matches a moment. I don't know if I can say
the whole night one was great. I had a good
time with it, but I think it was like a
good Mania. But I do agree that the stage we
you know, didn't talk up that looked phenomenal, but there
was like a little just a little lack of some
big wrestlemantia stuff, even to the points. I know it
sounds annoying, but when you have Alien Knight and Sharp
Flair just both doing car entrances, it's just like no
one thought about this, like can we do something else?
And it's like, well, weave not that's like then just
give Charlotte like the Cody Rhodes pyro.
Speaker 2: You know it was.
Speaker 1: It was weird. I also say, as a guy like
I don't love cars, so driver just driving up and
just being like the window going in and like yes,
like that does nothing for me, Like doesn't do it?
Speaker 3: Only down the window in a convertible or just the
look of it's.
Speaker 1: Not your car, we know it, like I'd rather have
Just last year they had Alien I do the slim
gym thing, right, I think.
Speaker 2: Something he gave away the car to to something. Oh
it was, I think did he ever? I don't think
he ever did an entrance with the car, like at
a p Oh he.
Speaker 1: Showed up in the parking lot with it once, right,
I think that's what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he did that one time. Yeah. At Summer
signments he destroyed Logan Poles the right tr his prime car.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing where I'm not a car guy.
But even look at WrestleMania seen as WRESTLEMANTD twenty three entrants,
he's like driving through the streets of Chicago. It's all
like fast fears and then the car breaks through glass
and pulls up. That's like, oh that's cool, versus a
car just drives with the ramp. It's like cool. I
go on the car show on a Saturday and see that.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're getting another one tomorrow. I feel like,
I bet you're right the lowrider entrance.
Speaker 1: Because they're like, oh, look at these ramps, we can
do whatever. But yeah, so I do think and it's
funny because I feel since the Night one, Night two
things started, almost all those WrestleManias, everyone's been like, oh,
Night one's the better night. I think Night two is
like I won't say easy, but as a good chance
of actually overperforming this. And I do think there's gonna
be a bit of a I know, Triple just gonna
do the press conference like one of the best nights ever.
My Hall of Fame was great, and now WrestleMania is
even better. It's like, no, like, I think there's gonna
be a general sense of Okay, we can feel there
one and you could tell that crowd. That crowd was
not really into the show for the first three matches.
I know people are, oh, they're tired with the Eden.
Even that, like I think is the finish of that match,
people were a little caught off guard. So yeah, it was.
It was a weird night, but I'm excited for night
too still and I think they ended very strong. And
that's the biggest thing, right, That's what you want to do,
even if all the matches end up being ship, at
least at the main event delivered. That's what people are
going to talk about.
Speaker 2: And they did do like the like we're saying for
the the mocks and swerve thing, like even if a
show is great, if you have like a bad like,
people remember the last thing. That's why people always talk
about this was the final shot of a movie or WrestleMania,
Like people remember that image because that's like what you're
gonna talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree with, oh god, what was it
not dynasty? What was before dynasty? In aw revolution? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was a swerve standing over mocks. So
people are like, Okay, even though people didn't like the
main event, and they're like, we're hopeful for the future here.
Speaker 1: But and even that show everyone said this, I completely agree,
Cope and Mox not good. But if you were to
flip that and put Tony and May in the main event,
even if like people like, okay, Mox and Cope, that
really bummed. But then we're on the next thing. So
that's where it's like, that's all that matters is the
play right and now, and I guess we can talk
about it in retrospect. That's why I still wish there's
maybe world title involved. The way to me, how Jay
and Guther went, you couldn't have put last I guess
I'm still in the camp that.
Speaker 2: I still think it was ever at any point considered.
Speaker 1: No, of course not right. But that's why, like on
this night, I don't think anything could have even Tiffany
and Charlttie, I think delivered.
Speaker 2: There are some points in Tiffany. I mean, I think
I like, I guess, just going ahead of it, I
think I liked the Tiffany and Charlotte match a lot
more than a lot of people online. I think I
really didn't like it. Like there were most like the
match where I was like, this could be the main
event of WRESTLINGIA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can start there. Go ahead, David.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't go that far with it being the
main event, but I did like that match. It was
out of the seven matches, it was in the top
three of the matches on there. There's no way that
the way that Jay and Gunther ended, even with yes,
the crowds all behind j Everyone's doing the eat, that
that could not have been the closer. Especially the actual
ending of the match. There is no way that you
could have sent the crowd home happy with that. So
at least with this you had a banger match. You
sent the crowd home happy, and that's one of the
things about wrestling is at the end of the day,
are you sending the crowd home happy with memories. I
did feel like this WrestleMania was lacking big spot moments.
Speaker 1: There was like for highlight reel stuff like well, what
are you gonna get?
Speaker 3: Like I feel like, yeah, what's that memorable thing that's
gonna send you back saying oh remember when this happened.
Outside of the ending of the triple threat, there wasn't
anything that was really like, yeah, oh man, remember this.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's almost like not that I wanted multimatch,
meaning because a lot people have complained about that, but
I almost and I'm not also going to get in
the camp of like Ja should have won the rumble
get to Da Da Da. But I think the problem
the way how it almost on the night of it
just felt like everyone knew, like it felt like there
was no drama they tried in the match. So I
almost wonder if it would have been better to somehow
do a triple threat and not make it so obvious
Jay is winning and think, oh, he's just there for
the entrance, because it's kind of like remember that raw
where Ja won the Icy title and it was a
shock because we didn't think that was happening. Where this,
I felt like everyone was okay, like, especially for the
people that hated it, We're just like, let Jay win
and move on, which was a lot of my timeline
of like, okay, moving on. I don't even want to
talk about that match. And I thought, actually we'll go
back to We'll keep with Tiffany and shock because we
started there. But I think with S's I liked it
more than other people. To me, like other than one,
Charlotte has a great track record, like the multi winning matches,
the match with Oscar, the two or three, and now this.
I don't think this is as good as the two
Rea matches, but to me, this is like a solid
I'm fine with actually giving it a four. I think
they really jeled. I love that because David, you mentioned
this in the Jade Naomi one. Right when the bell
rang for this match, they started fighting and tossed into
the ground.
Speaker 2: That's that was what I wanted for this match, Like, yes,
was exactly what I wanted this match to be.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I think that's what maybe some people
were like, one, oh, I need the technical rest it's
like you can't do that once you went this route,
you know, it's like you have to do the brawl.
And I thought they had really good chemistry. I think
the ending was a little that's where they lost me.
It was just a couple of weird spots or moments
that they just didn't completely click. I don't know why,
but I said this in the discord, Charlotte did completely
sand bag Tiffany and that thing. And I don't know
because Charlotte for like the ten seconds before was holding
her hand.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: She just like really got a ring her on the
buckle and was just like out of it. But if
or it was, she was just giving her a fuck
you because she did not help her all with the pickup,
with the draw nothing. So I'm not gonna say either way,
because she easily could have, you know, been wonky and
like you don't know where you are right. But and
then we also found out that and you saw after
the match that I don't know what happened. I think
she probably hit it on her the knee bracelet or whatever,
because yeah, Tiffy lost her left front tooth and that
was that was.
Speaker 3: She reached for her mouth after the knee brace spot,
so I'm guessing that that's where it happened. In her
mouth was freshly busted open. But I will say for
the energy and for the few that this went into
that moment afterwards of Tiffany holding the belt open, having
the knot on her forehead, having the busted tooth again,
it just all played into the this is a fight
not a wrestling match, which again, this is what Naomi
and Jade should have been. A fight, not a wrestling match.
You threw her off a thing into a car. All
this like the beat down inside the elimination chamber, This
should have been visceral. Tiffany and Charlotte delivered that more.
But yeah, there were moments towards the end where I
felt like Charlotte basically said, Okay, I gave you enough.
Now you gotta earn this ending. If you're going over,
you're gonna have to earn it. You're gonna have to
put in the work. There were moments where I could
see Tiffany going to pick her up and she was
getting absolutely no help from Charlotte.
Speaker 1: And there was one time she just hit it really
hard and I was like, oh, oh, I again, who knows.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was like, I feel like, like that's
exactly what I wanted. Like those moments we were like, oh,
they're hitting.
Speaker 1: Each other for real, and that's why who knows because
they could be completely playing off that right, and Charlotte
is good.
Speaker 2: To me, this was like I'm seeing this, that's like,
it's like to me, this match is like and it's
a match I think is good, but a lot of
people love it a lot more than me. To me,
this was like my my gooonther versus Sammy's.
Speaker 1: Aid from last Oh yeah, okay, that's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's what I compare this to, where it's
just like this, they're just getting like beat up on,
just like hard, and you're just like praying and wishing
that this person wins it.
Speaker 1: The match where a bunch of the internet thought Sammy
fucked up his superplex spot man, that's that's not that's
that's not supposed to go. But yeah no, and I
guess we didn't even say that. Charlotte did take the loss.
I was surprised. I'm surprised by a few things, not
the main event. Once I saw how it went down,
not at all, but this.
Speaker 2: I think for this for the story. I mean I
was I was confident that if we had to win, yes.
Speaker 1: For the story. But as we've heard from multiple people
that there's been a very political season in WWE, so
I was like, that's the thing where was like, yeah,
story wise, this makes sense, but it's like, is this
gonna happen? And yeah, she got the win there, and
I kind of hope they don't run this one back,
Like I don't think there's any I think it's something
where Padsman's back done whatever. But then in the draft,
separate them, get Charlotte the raw or vice versa. I
think this is like a good one and done because
you're in two ways of like if Charlot, let's say
that they do revenge wins, I'd rather Chary want at
wrestle Mania to do a big moment. And then if
Charotte just loses again, it's like, okay, you can't take
your stock down that much. That's why I feel like,
completely separate them, go different route. Fuck, have Charlotte squashed
Chelsea and just run Ramdom in the US style, you know,
Like I think you can return to this at another
point in Shark and get her win back. But I
don't want like an immediate backlash win. I could maybe
take a triple threat if they do those two and
add to one, I could maybe take that, but I
don't want to one on one right away. Like leave
it where it is, and I'm I'm happy it could
have been like a bit better because obviously I didn't
get like five to five, but like, I'm happy with
like a four star match. I think Charlotte, I don't know.
I guess I haven't looked too much on the time.
I'm sure some people are critical to me. She like
showed that she still has what she can with the
like with their quality, and Tiffany is still great as
well too, so they had some good sequences.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the match went longer than I expected, but
it wasn't a bad match, with the exception of a
get a few moments where Charlotte looked like she's sand
bagged her. Overall, the match was very good between them two.
They had a lot of great chemistry with a lot
of their moments. I'm not a fan of Charlotte wearing
the pink. It just it kept distracting me the entire time.
I get the psychological it was a aspect of the entrance.
Speaker 2: They in every segment, they knew they were the same
colors and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like Charlotte has traditionally done a solid color
with some gold accidents, just like her dad, and now
just switched up and be in this pink and baby blue.
It just it was weird. It was distracting, and at
times when they'd mix it up and you just got
pink on pink with all this blonde hair going everywhere.
Speaker 2: At the very start of the match, I was I
saw like, oh, Tiffany's wearing like a knee brace, I
guess to make fun of Charlotte, and it's like, oh, no,
that's Charlotte. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I will say I did think that Tiffy's gear paid
homage to the old Divas Championship, and I liked it so,
but that it was just, yeah, the wardrobe aspect of it.
And I know this sounds We're just coming from a
guy saying this. It just it felt off to me.
I wish Charlotte would have stuck with her more traditional gear.
Speaker 1: Unless Tiffles fake teeth, She's doing the presser right now,
she has no chip tooth whatsoever. That's super weird. So
unless she thought some fake teeth or something.
Speaker 2: It might have been just like maybe it was like
dried blood, because there was at some point where there
was blood coming down, like it was like stone Cold
at WrestleMania at thirteen, Like I saw them blood on
her teeth.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it was just like or
I wonder if she got in his part friend she
got any paint off of the knee brace too. That
could be because like Charlotte's knee brace was dazzled and
everything because it was it looked.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the knee brace, that's some of my favorite stuff,
like when she was doing dropping the leg and how
she got out of the figure four just punching the
knee brace. I think I love stuff like that well.
Speaker 1: And I was wondering, and this is what I really
enjoyed too, was the match was started being a fight
and then Charlotte started taking control and then Tiffy went
for the knee and I thought that was a great
Like even though it's kind of more of a heal move,
that makes sense of Okay, the veteran has the upper hand,
so what you're gonna go, You're gonna go out for
the knee. But what I loved the way. I can't
remember how they did it, but Charlotte did either some
flip or Tiffany threw her in the ring and Charlotte
hit on her leg and grabbed her knee right away
and like pushed Tiffany away and said like wait, wait wait,
not in like a fighting way. It was like literally
like trying to get space. So they made it look
like she would shoot her for like five seconds and
then when the match. But that was such a good
touch of like it wasn't like hits like oh my god,
and like can I go on?
Speaker 2: It was like literally like ae, they didn't like, they
didn't like zoom in on there anything else.
Speaker 1: I thought that was great, like really done by well
by Charlotte. And that's also a great like heal tactic
of like hey, I had the match until my knee
kind of gave out and kind of as a babyface
or a heel used as example. And I did like that, Charlotte.
I actually would have liked this more because Charlotte started
to work on Tiffany's leg, but then they kind of
dropped that at the end of the match. I thought
that was gonna happen, and I don't think happened too much.
But I was thought, oh, we're gonna get like a
one legged woman match at the end. It's like they're
both hurt.
Speaker 2: But I thought it was gonna be like her her
Tiffany's leg was gonna give out on the moon salt. Yeah. Yeah,
but yeah they did the figure four spot and after
that it wasn't really a big factor. I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would have liked them tie back to that,
but no, overall really good. I liked, like I said,
Charlott's Flayer's entrance, very disappointed, but that soon as ally nice.
It's like, okay, it's a car, nothing else.
Speaker 2: The Tiffany thing I was. I was actually happy that
she did the whole Barbie thing because that was a
rumor like that. It was like they kind of changed
the way to just like generic pink. It's because before
and the next year, Tittron was like the full Barbie
font and people are like, maybe there's some issue with Mattel,
Like you can't just like straight up to the Barbie thing.
But then they mentioned the entrance like it's like an
official like Mattel designed this Tiffany like dream house for
her entrance.
Speaker 3: She had an incredible entrance. Incredible entrance.
Speaker 1: It was great. It's two boxes. There's one in her
like a gold dress looking all like beautiful and stuff.
That one where she's a box when they're like digital
frames where she's moving and there's tipping the box, like
really really cool. That's like a WrestleMania moment entrance right there.
And that was really well done. And I don't think
there's anything Okay, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much I have to say, Yeah, I really
liked it, and that'll be one I defend its people.
If people don't like it, will be a defender that yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's tough too because always, like some of the
Four horse Women, there's just people that hate them. So sure,
it's always like a natural.
Speaker 2: Like I'm seeing a lot of Charlotte fan saying Tiffany
was Sandbagger just making Charlotte look bad in the sad.
Speaker 1: I think if anything was looked bad was intentional till
maybe the end. But David anything on this one.
Speaker 3: No, Like I said, it's in my top three of
the night. I think right now I would situate it
as third from the top out of the seven. So
and I it's a pretty good match, definitely better than
the other women's match on this in my opinion, and
I think that it hit a lot of the beats
that it needed to for where this match ended up
going for the one that wasn't set out to be
the blood feud but became it just because of natural things.
This ended up being what this match needed to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, we're gonna talk about Jaye and their
next is. I haven't watched this clip, but I'm gonna
pull it out because I see I don't think it's
one hundred percent real, but I see a lot of
people like saying Jimmy's or Jay's having a very Cody
Rose Jay. So after the press conference title and.
Speaker 3: He had won last night before the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Some people are saying he's been drinking. Me are you
asking just meals?
Speaker 3: Yeetz? Hell yeah, I love it far Internet.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, soak it in because.
Speaker 2: This is it, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but hell yeah, two time world Chakras.
Speaker 4: What world?
Speaker 1: Oh? I get it because he won? Yeah, so yeah,
we got James.
Speaker 3: Stop letting him go on early because you're giving him
too much time to drink between his match and the
press conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's celebrating, you know. But yeah we got the opener,
like we said, it was Jay and Gunther. Yeah for me,
this was Jay got young entrance with cheerleaders and flags.
That was all cool, had a long walk because he
came down to the crowd.
Speaker 2: But oh my god, you know the story about this
this DJ and the and the fighting game he's in.
So the thing is like this fighting game, I forget
what's it called, Yeah, Fatal Fury. So this new game,
it just has some like random guest characters, like Cristiano
Ronaldo is a guest character. And then there's this there's
this DJ guy who people they announced them and people
are like, who is this guy? And he's just like
some I forget where he's from, like Sweden or something.
He's a DJ and he's like not even that famous.
I think someone pulled up his Spotify and he didn't
even have like a million listeners. And he's like a
full fledged guest character in this game, like not even
like a DLC, like he's main base roster. They just
put this DJ guy in the game and now I
guess he's doing promotion for it. But yeah, all the
fans in this fighting game are like, why is this
guy in here? Like it's not he's like he's not
even like a controversial figure like anything bad as far
as I was just like, yeah, it's like, really, just
put this this DJ guy in the game.
Speaker 1: I guess the main like for wrestling on the mat
that was the biggest logo.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure the company that
like I think like the Saudi spot like whatever studio
makes that make that game. So I guess maybe that's
my ruinaldo them there too, but maybe some of some prints.
That's his favorite favorite artist, so he's just like, yeh,
put them in the game.
Speaker 1: My girls were like you should get that game. Like
I'm not getting that game. That's not happening. But uh
yeah we had Jay and Gunther for me, Like I said,
this was a weird one where I thought they're even
like I can't recall actually no, I can recall. I
feel like their Interconninal matches better because they said he
was three.
Speaker 2: I would say, I'd say all their other matches were better.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the first one. That's why I can't
say that, but so like the Interconini remember and then
Sarah's at Nights made event I remember, and yeah they were.
Speaker 2: The Intercontinental one was the first one. The second one
was King of.
Speaker 1: The Ring, right, Okay, I think I mean that one,
So I don't think that one's like.
Speaker 2: That one's like okay, I guess it's like it's in
the middle because yeah, and then the Saturn X man
on you.
Speaker 1: So this one was weird where they wrestled like a
traditional just like raw match for like two to three
minutes and then they went into their finishes like I
would say right away, but it felt like that where
it's just like, Okay, we're trying to get this out
of the way so the crowd will be excited. What's
gonna happen. And then they had these moments and I
think it picked up a little bit in the middle,
so like I was not happy at the end and
not happy at the beginning, but the middle they were
you know, vibing, going good. And then they did a
spot where I liked Jay countered and did the power
bomb like that, and then I think my problem is
with this is why they didn't get like the big
pop was they did the class like okay, you're versing
a monster you're gonna have to hit a super finisher.
You're gonna have to do something special, and that's what
Jay did. He hit three splashes, so that okay, that's
how you beat Goon three. He takes three to four splashes.
He's so knocked out he can't. But then they have
fucking Ja putting Gouther's own move and you would think
that's even Baden has to lose to if he'd pass out. No,
he puts in his own move and he taps and
then like the Chairy on tap top, he taps like
ten fifteen seconds. It like it was quick. It was
like brock Leser had that fucking thing on there, like
I don't know what was going on Like this like
feels like this is not gonna be the case gust
I getting suspended moral But David will remember back in
after like Eddie and ben Wall when they had the
suspension steroid stuff, when weird stuff would happen, like oh
why mister Kenny just get written off and then like
the day after it'd be like, oh, three day suspension
the policy. That's what this felt like. Guther fucked up
and like we're gonna write them off and he's gonna
be gone for a couple months, like.
Speaker 3: It was, this is dropping the world titles randomly, right.
Speaker 1: It was very odd, and I think that's kind of
hurt the pop because with a tap out, it's like
it wasn't even built up like oh could he tap
It was just like I think no one took it
as this is the finish, just oh Jay's doing as hole,
this is gonna lead to the next like situation, and
it was just over and it was very odd. I
think that's what kind of it didn't kill the Paul Pellowen,
but I think it could have been what I was
expecting to be that huge resume Jay us moment winning
it wasn't. I think they kind of missed out. So
I don't know who the producer was on this match,
but I think the two guys and the layout of it,
it didn't deliver. And I was somebody on the predictions.
I actually thought they were gonna overdeliver. I thought, you
know what, as a JA defender, I think they're gonna
have a really good Mania match. Even Gunther said, hey,
like I'm not a versus a big guy, but I
think too, you know, stars of trying to prove themselves,
so I thought, oh, we're gonna get to me at
least a four star. This is like I think it's
like a three three point two five Like it was fine,
but to me, very underwhelming, and I don't think I
had the hood spot to start then on at night
off like we thought. Other than okay, you got everyone
you eating cool.
Speaker 3: I would definitely call it a three star match because
again that that ending just fell short and I saw
somebody tweet out. Traditionally, you know, good guys pass out
bad guy's tap, but in this instance, I don't think
that the heel should have tapped.
Speaker 1: It did not be prove as well too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it came out of nowhere. There was nothing about it.
It's not even like previously Jay had said I'm gonna
make you submit with your own move or anything else
like that. There was no build up to this had
all the frog splashes like end on that the one
where he did it when he was lying face down.
If he had pinned him after that, I would have
considered that more of something. You just hit four frog splashes,
including one to his back boom. That's what it took.
You had to go like Roman with the six Superman
punches or whatnot, like you had to go just that fall.
Speaker 2: He could have he could have done all four all
four frogs like US splashes, you know what, Romacre.
Speaker 1: I thought that's what he was doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But to finish it off with the sleeper and
then to tap that way, I'm just like I it
just did not make sense. So I don't know. Maybe
it was actually Gunther and Charlotte's deems not Kaiser. Maybe
she got her uh Austrians wrong. I'm not sure. It
just it seemed like, yeah, when RVD won the title
and he technically was a double champ, and a week
later he's just dropping everything because he's getting suspended. That's
what it felt like. It felt like this is an
RVD Jeff Hardy mister Kennedy edge situation at back when
they had the big steroid pop.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow we got the fight for report their request that
is really he told them this was his last man.
He's not resigning out there, just the Mariah Man.
Speaker 1: All In Cope versus Walter incontinental whatever championship. Yeah. No,
I don't know if it's like I could see it
be in some weird triple h whatever business thing where
they're like, we want to make them, we want to
get him real low to see what he'll do after
the fact, like have him have this loss if it's
something like because he did publicly say that he didn't
want to first Jay, like that wasn't a storyline and
say you kind of wish that ever someone else, I
was like, yeah, you know what, maybe you should have
said that we're gonna we're gonna teach you and you're
gonna have Ja's kind of dog walking. Yeah, So it
was weird. And again it's it's tough because I'm somebody
that I do defend JA to a point because his popularity.
When people want him just fucking be like the current
Jerker or the Aundree butt, it's like, you can't do that.
This guy's one of the most over guys. He has
to be a main role. But I will say this
is two years in row now. I was excited for
his match and I was let down, not as much
as last year, but I did not think Jimmy and
j would do what they did last year, and they did.
And I thought Guther and J would overperform here and
they didn't. They put in maybe their worst match they've
had yet so it's like, I know we're gonna get
to it. Of Esbo's pitching the discord. I've said this
before that I would be completely fine whoever it is
of Jay lose that thing on Monday and like a
shock moment and then you can fire him up as
a baby face again. But I'd be completely fine if
something happens. But Espo's where were you on this matchup?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I was just laughing now after
it's the four posts massacre thing. I just googled it
and one of the first the search results of the
Reddit question says, has the four posts massacre ever been
performed outside the confines of Ready to Rumble in any
major slash notable promotion? And the only reply is no,
it's dangerously illegal and could end careers. That wasn't even
a paper.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna do it. Someone's gonna have good gun thing.
That's the title back. He's gonna do the splashes from
the top. But yeah, what do you think about this?
S pubs uh.
Speaker 2: I pretty much agree with everything David said. Yeah, it
ended up being like like a three or something like that.
Like it was, like you said, everyone knew who it
was happening. So I feel like even though people wanted
it happen, it kind of took away that suspense because
it wasn't like.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like you kind of just were.
Speaker 2: Waiting for it to happen. It's like, at some point
he's gonna win, I guess, and the surprise was like
even you kind of wanted it to go longer or
be yeah, I guess, just no one was expecting him
to win with the sleeper hole or whatever, yeah, which
was just yeah, it was just a weird ending. I
don't know.
Speaker 1: And even then, like the way this mattress laid out,
I would have loved, Like I saw some people book
it at first, like I don't know, do the bloodline
mini rules thing and have blood would come out and
then Jimmy, you know, like at that point that I
think would have like woke up the crowd a couple
of times, maybe put some suspense or something.
Speaker 2: But another thing too, it's like Gooon the doing like
a belt shot, which was just something he never does,
like that's this whole thing. He never cheats in any matches.
And she did it like off the He did it
like off the rip, like like three minutes into the match,
he like threw the reciree out of the way and
did a belt shot.
Speaker 1: Well not to the thing of the match. It felt like,
and I don't know if this is for sure because
the first match, but feels like a match. If you
were to say, hey, it's time got cut, you'd be like, oh,
that makes sense because it just felt like the he
said the belt shot very Charlotte.
Speaker 2: Walked up to Goonther in the back and said, I'm
going thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's happening, but yeah, it's it's on. Yeah, like
he hits you with They fucking know what they did
with Jay. They superseded him. Actually, they made him take
the belt shot he took. He took Luther's finishers. He
choked him out like like he did at least with.
Speaker 2: People are gonna pass to half faced Gooon the half
pace Wade Barrett photo on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, we'll see. It's gonna be interesting the
next few weeks to see what happens with Jay. I
think you'll still be poplar, but it's gonna be interesting
because that's never even tonight. I was like, Okay, if
there's gonna be any time hardcore wrestling fan, I'm not
gonna say they completely turn. I think Jay, you heard
like uh smattering of blues but a booze but nothing
to the mount that I was like because I thought, Okay,
maybe people were gonna really love Gun through here, but
that wasn't the case. I think people are still in
the Jay high. Let's talk in six months now, because
I think if you put out multiple matches like this
in the few, like I really think they're gonna do
Jay and go their backlash, and I think it's a
really bad idea. I don't think they should do that there.
But I could just see that goo that cre like
I want my rematch and yeah, I don't know, maybe
there's a stip, but uh yeah we got that and
then we went on to New Day versus the Viking Raiders.
Nothing bad about this match, but I agree with people
that it's like this event. Yes it was a rain
event because they would.
Speaker 2: Have liked cool stuff, but it was like it just
kind of happened.
Speaker 1: I know this is a time thing, probably because this
I would say, this wrestling and did like almost exactly
for hours.
Speaker 2: So that's like a lot of the matches weren't that long. There.
A lot of them were like ten instruments.
Speaker 1: Long because again shot in the main event.
Speaker 3: Charlotte's match went nineteen minutes. The main event was thirty
almost thirty three minutes, and everything under that was pretty short,
uh Jane.
Speaker 2: Half Yeah, because I was gonna if you count entrances
you had. You had Seth doing his rock impression with
the with the flamethrower. Roman. Surprisingly, Roman has the shortest
entrance of the three. Maybe he was it was cool
though with the with the bloodline, the falling stuff though, yeah,
I saw it could come down and and honestly punk
We're going to talk about that later, like generational entrance.
Speaker 1: But like again, maybe it's a time thing, but I
don't think like four hours. To me, four hours isn't
too much. I think when you hit started hit the
five hour, that's when you get tired. But to me,
it's like with WrestleMania, I've been conditioned like I'm fine
wrestling five hours because like I know, it's it's a
big thing. I'm just saying my long term pitch. I
agree with everyone else. Honestly, Luckily it happened because poor
Chompa fucking had to shave his beard today because he
split his chin open like yeah, terrible, like and he
showed the gash. She was bad. But this is a
situation that yeah, they should have had the TLC here
and then New Day and Viking areas in the raw
after Like I get it, NuDay had that hot promo,
but even the crowd stopped caring because you know why,
Like we said on the Predictions, everyone's figured out that, oh,
Biggie's not coming back again anytime soon. That was the hope,
right was maybe it's Rumble, maybe it's WrestleMania. Now it's like, oh,
he's just gonna get back whenever or maybe never. Right,
So I think people don't care as much. And yeah,
sure NuDay hasn't won a while, so some fine, But
I would have swapped them put the TLC here, especially
on this night they could that could have used the
TLC were after Jane Gunthar and then you had like
yeah and to me, like we'll get to like Algrande,
Red Phoenix was like good enough, but and Jade and Bianca.
If you would have had TLC here on this match
or this card, I think it would have helped big time.
I think the crowd would have really got woken and
fire Up and especially could have placed it better. But yeah,
I thought, like what ess just said, a raw main event,
so better than like an average tag match, But wasn't.
This is definitely in that lack of WrestleMania field. This
is one of those where I will not remember this
in a couple of weeks when we when the next gimmick,
I will not remember. Oh, right, that's where they won
the titles in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was the weakest of the matches in my opinion,
of all the matches tonight, this was definitely in my opinion,
it was the weakest. And like you said, I wouldn't
even call it a raw main event. I would call
this a leading into our three main event, like this
is this is the you know, the long match that
has the break in between, and you you get the
people who are coming over from like the NBA Finals
or something like that like this. To me, this was
just it was a tag team match. You know, they
they came out, they did their things, war Raiders had
their sponsorship moment, and it.
Speaker 2: Was just the sponsorships worked on me because ever since
they dropped this day the update on Classic Clans, I
picked it up again for the first time in legitally
probably like I don't know ten years or like eight years,
I've been grinding Classic Clans like over the past month.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but other than that, like it was just it
was a tag team match and and that was it.
All it served was just to switch the championships, and
you know, kudos to New Day for winning it. But
this was there was nothing memorable about this. There was
nothing that's going to make me look back and say, man,
can you believe they did this? Or what about that
spot from that tag team match? It is just very forgettable.
Speaker 1: Any Like you said the discord, like they could have
gave a bit more budget for their gear. Their gear
looked very very plastic.
Speaker 3: They got that from Spirit Halloween at that point.
Speaker 1: If I saw the gear, I've been like, we're not
wearing that. Just go get the regular stuff, you know,
like it just it.
Speaker 2: Fell for the sponsorship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it that they have to.
Speaker 3: It's just like like I like New.
Speaker 2: Day's Giant Gonzales gear though I like that, y.
Speaker 1: They're always on point with their gear. The New Day
they got good stuff. So hopefully it's tough, right because
it's I've always said this, it's very strange in the
NXT Black and Goal Thera, like Triple H knew how
to Like the tag division was a huge point, like
they may invented multiple takeovers. That was a huge thing
you could argue like obviously aop has gone out, but
aop D y FTR, you know, revival back then and
a few others like obviously had end Zone casts like
they were May eventing shows. They had big stuff Match
of the Years, and there's just something I don't know
if he doesn't do them, if he's handing them off.
There's just something about Triple H. The May roster tags,
it's not delivered. Because we thought, okay, Judgment Day, that's
the hold up, right, But when they lost the Viking Raiders,
I thought we were all kind of on board, like, okay,
they could really spruce up the tag team division here
again and it didn't really like they'd be on raw
here and there. But just they got really nothing of
note until like this and then they lose. So at
least the New Day, I know, WW and Triple H
I they care about the New Day. That's a historical acts.
So hopefully this will happen, but like something at least
a SmackDown, Okay, SmackDown. The vision all says some problems
like the DQ finished and the weird Rumble one, but
at least we like there is like a theme and
a story with those three teams. Raw, it's been very nothing,
so I don't know. I'm hoping something happens here, bring
up an XT people, I don't know, but anything else
on when?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like there's definitely gonna I
mean practicing or coming to one of these these shows.
Speaker 1: Please, yeah, get him on RAW right away and let
them a new Daid. Just do like a best of
five series for a while and just rock with that
or something, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, because we had that in the next that
was Jane Bianca. I suppose I'll let you start. What
did you think about this one? Big Blood for you've
been billing for a while, Jade's first single, not first
singles match for singles pay per view match, first ever
women's single match with no titles. So grats these two
ladies for said in history, But yeah, what do you
think about this one?
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. It was the expected winner, and I
thought there's some some cool stuff in there, like that
electric chair power bomb was like wild, some good power
spots in there, and I enjoyed it definitely. Yeah, I
kind of wish feels like a little more. But I still,
like I said, there's no match on the show that
I would like fail, so I'd say it was still
probably like I don't know, like I don't do don't
I try not to do like point five ratings or
like point two fives. But I guess this would be
that I don't know, like a three point five ish
ure three point twenty five, I don't know somewhere on there.
I like the whole Naomi. I like this whole proceed
with caution thing she's she's doing with the I like
the entrance and all the colors and stuff, the caution
tape and uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Heavy metal theme for which is completely different.
Speaker 3: You know, did not expect that.
Speaker 1: No, which is great, like you should do because her
heal like the let's go. You can't you can't have
that with me.
Speaker 3: She still had the glow shoes on she did.
Speaker 1: Did you notice her ring time tron was still the's like,
see what's what happened to me? In two K?
Speaker 2: When I'm making my entry, I can't find the right
the right, so I.
Speaker 1: Just have different Yeah, what will you da? What do
you think of this match? This match?
Speaker 3: I mean it was it was good. There were some
flaws exposed with Jade, for sure. I was a little
bit disappointed. I know it's stupid, but I was disappointed
by her entrance. I felt like, for the weather report,
she should have come out full storm with the entrance.
I don't know, like if this is one of those
things for.
Speaker 1: Me, the opening to it, the guy like you're they're
going for me, Just it didn't gel well with the entrance.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, if you're gonna do it, then
you have to go full stop. And they did not
go full stop with this, so that be said. I'm
just it was. It was all right. I would probably
put it as my second least favorite match of the night.
It was a pretty dedictable ending in my opinion. I
felt like Jade had to go over. It did not
have the urgency of what is supposed to be a
just straight up I want to kick your ass for
what you did to me, and both of them were
talking about how much they wanted to just get at
each other and how much they were going to beat
down each other and everything else and then they go
in and you're locking up for a traditional color Nabel
tie up, Like, that's not what I want to see
out of this match, So it felt short in a
lot of areas. Jade looked great on her power spots,
but in her non power spots there were some weaknesses exposed.
And just like I said in the last episode of
the Gimmick, what they need to do with her is
put one of the mid car titles on her. Either
let it be the Intercontinental or the Women's US, and
let her just go on a power run where she
is just beating people with pure power. I do not
need to see Jade in a wrestling match, not right now.
Give her a couple of months behind the scene.
Speaker 1: That's on the harshest. I'm not saying you're wrong, but
just like what a critique like this woman's now like
going in her fourth year wrestling, I don't need to
see her.
Speaker 2: She needs to be Goldberg.
Speaker 3: She needs to be Goldberg because twenty years later, Goldberg
still couldn't handle the long drawn out wrestling matches. She
just needs to be Goldberg and that be okay.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because that's what aw did with it. Right,
but yeah, always the thing like, well they're training her,
and then like when the w W, it's like, well
they're training her and eventually is gonna get better. I
think w or AW did crack the code of that's
what you can do there. To me, this was the
I I think in the way we talked about how
with Charlotte Reea the first time on the Predictions, David,
You're like, oh, you know, in retrospect, it was fine
with Rhea losing that match, but she shouldn't lost back then.
I feel like we might feel like this way with
Naomi and Jade, because I don't know when three years
were Jade's gonna be and we might look and be like, man,
they should have had Naomi win this. To me, after
this match, I think I give it. I can give
it a three, but as being being kind, I think
I was lower on it than you guys. Just stuff
like that electric chair power bomb was cool, but the
problem was she did that and then she grabbed Naomi
by the head and started talking to her. And you
can tell Naomi like said, go to the finish something
like like it's the finish spot and you're asking Naomi,
like what we do next then they win to the
move and I don't know if there's a screw up,
but it's just like that stuff where it's just she
is going on and I could be even wrong, could
be longer, but it's like she's going her fourth year.
I just don't know what more now, Like I think
this spot exposed her a lot, and I like even
the I think, yeah, a mid cart title now to
me is like the cap unless you do really goal
work her. But yeah, this type of these matches, you
can't do them. She can't wrestle the way I think
they had a little intensely when they went to the floor.
I like Naomi like hit multiple floor moves to take
her out, but just even stuff like her selling. I
remember when Naomi went to the top rope, and I
know all wrestlers stand there, but Jade really just like
she's so much time. It's like she's waiting for the
next spot. I've seen Jade have some really like i'll say,
greatly paced her book matches, but yeah, there's just something.
Speaker 2: I don't know. If you don't want to have her
like just doing tag team stuff, you can have her
in triple threats and for it's like something like Oba Femi,
Like he's a good I'd say he's a great wrestler,
but something they do, Like if you look at a
lot of his big matches, almost all of them are
multi like triple threat. He's the king of triple threats.
Like I'm pretty sure like ninety percent of his title
defenses have been like triple threats. Because it's not that
he's bad, but it's like having multiple people to work
off of, Like when your big thing is the power spots, like, yeah,
you can split that time between other people, and I
think you can do that with Jade, Like she can
do her spots, then that get taken out. You can
do power spots with two people. That's the classic one
and it always looks great and she can do that
stuff that she can't do and people like when she
does the power spots, people like it. So it's like
you just have the lean into that.
Speaker 1: You know what they should do. The companies don't have
enough title. They should create a triple threat Championship for
Jay just to give you her I've always tinkered with that.
I wish there was like a way I kind of do.
Speaker 2: That the title division, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, no for me, this one, I was
disappointed and I was I know, you guys will say
the expected winner. I thought that too, but still my predictions.
I went with Naomi because I thought, oh, there's gonna
be a chance of a sneak win and uh, like
I said, we'll see. But I think in retrospect, Naomi
should have won that because I think Naomi she had
to carry this match tonight. She did a lot of
work for Jayden. All I'm hoping for now is I
hope that Triph and the team have plans for Naomi
because if she won, I go okay, for sure, she's
gonna go to a title or whatever. She better not
just kind of drop off and go away, because she's
been doing great character work and this food was a
really people talk about the weaker build Dobania. This was
one that wasn't a weak build, and I don't think
Naomi should go away or just kind of be like
floundering around. She should at least be in the mid cards.
That is somewhere eve like.
Speaker 2: It's still they're still in that sort of circle with
Bianca and stuff. Yeel like there's stuff you can still
do there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and give her BEYONC. I hope that happens again.
We'll see tomorrow. Maybe Yonka gets a title and you
can do it that way, but uh no, we'll we'll see.
Uh And then after that we this one. We got
La and Jake up right, yes, yeah, yeah, And this
this for me until the main event was my match night,
I had sound predictions that hey, this could be a
styles clash. I know everyone just fucking loves Jacob Fauto
and I do too, but like I still like, hey,
there's many great wrestlers that can just not work right.
And I just said an l A Knight. He I
think he's a good worker, but there's many We've seen
many times where she's like, oh, this is a fine match.
Like he can be not stiff in the sense like
he's actually hurting them, just like he can move robotic.
Speaker 2: Sometimes he has like his routine, like it's not like
it's not like like five minutes of doom, but it's
like you kind of know the stuff he can do and.
Speaker 3: Even got his paces.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like even last year I think him in
ag had a good match, but it wasn't anything like,
oh man, I really think about it. But this is
one they almost sole the show to the main event,
and that's tough because those are three elite workers. But
they went out there and I love that even La
like I think he was moving different and it just
was very high octane and high pace. It felt like
a It felt like a better, longer version of a
speed match, where like that that's there was just like
going there, gripping, ripping. I think this work, and I
think the crowd really needed this. At this point, they
were doing cool spots of el and the BT, but
the one I love was Jacob when he put him
on the ropes. I think he's done this before, but
I haven't seen as much something I was familiar with
him his work, but when he like ran up the
ropes jumped and then like did the elbow truck like,
they did some good high impact stuff and what I
was surprised.
Speaker 2: There was one thing I really liked to before he
goes like they always do the spot of like Jacob
five two takes the move and he like gets up
a lot quicker than other people knew. So when he
like Ellen Night put him down, I forget what and
he climbed up to do like the yeah, elbow drop
and Jacob, you had already gone up, but then he's
still like mid air and he like side hit him
with the elbow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like it feels weird, but it felt like
a legitimate like fighting like a wrestling world right, Like
it felt like more of a brawl but into a match,
and Noah was really good and uh yeah, they completely
clean finished. Solo was out there. When I saw Sol
the ram, I'm like, oh my predictions, right, Jacob's fucking
losing right now, it's over because second Soul is out there,
there's no way Souls doing nothing. But he did like nothing.
He's like, yeah, go get him, and then he walked back.
It's like, really, I got you, bro. Yeah. It's so
weird too because even on SmackDown last night, like Toma
Tong and Soul like came to the arena together, but
like Solo or Jacob wasn't with him. Like it's this weird,
like they can't decide as Jacob with him not. But no,
this was a happily surprised me and I I would
take this again, but I would actually taste like give
them like a street fight stip something like that. Like
I was very surprised, and now I'm curious what they
do with La Knight because La Knight when he didn't
have the US title last time, he was really just
kind of floating around. So I don't know, let's see,
I guess you could you know what you could do.
I would take La and Seen as a program. If
if Scena can get one of those you know, other
pay per view side ones after backlash like.
Speaker 2: That, I mean, maybe that's one. That's maybe the one
I'm going to. Maybe I get that at a Saturday
Nights NA.
Speaker 1: Great Nights event or this guy. I actually think because
Jay has the title, I think actually put the money
bank on l A Night this time because the crowd
still loves them. And this was a really good p
This was a.
Speaker 2: Mess of two guys who are both like it's a
very clear like it's kind of weird because like Ellen
Knight was the face and Jacob was the heel, but
it was like they're both sober that people are cheering.
Speaker 1: Yeah for both. And the thing though, too was like
I took about predictions. It was almost more like a
fifty to fifty where I was worried, like the crowd
was hot for Jacob, but I was worried they would
turn on LA and they didn't. They're still with them,
so it's like proven commandity. Like I said to me,
I'm like, put the briefcase on.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, this was definitely a fifty to fifty crowd.
Last we spoke, I thought that LA was going to
win it, and then after SmackDown completely changed my mind.
I did not expect Jacobatu to go over clean, but
I mean, they put on a great match, and I
will agree with you.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: My second favorite match of the night. I've got it
ranked at number two behind the main event, and they
they just they put on They over delivered for the
expectations that I had. I thought it was going to
be a simple match, and then I thought that we
would get the bloodline interference and all that other stuff
and that's how it was going to end. But no,
they just put up a shitit match. The crowd was
hot for both of them the entire time. There was
no back and forth, Oh we like this guy, now
we're like no. It was a good fifty to fifty
crowd throughout the whole thing. People were cheering for both
Jacobatu really played heavily on those no cell moments he
has where you can just see him the street anger
in him fired up, and he have his moments where
he was just looking down the camera and I was like,
this is absolute Sema. I'm I'm loving what these guys
are doing. This match did not feel too short or
too long. It was just a genuinely good match where
they both just over delivered.
Speaker 1: And please and his defenses give him a bunch of workers.
I know where I have to sit through one more.
Speaker 2: You're gonna.
Speaker 1: Like that's the way. There is a way where it's
like it's it's I feel like it's.
Speaker 2: I feel like realistic is like in between like you're
gonna get Ron, You're gonna get You're gonna get Vice,
Like is gonna get killed. You're gonna you're gonna mis
killed by him. So then Mellow is like it's like Mellow,
you have to fight him now.
Speaker 1: I'm fussing out a key verse clip there. That's me
if I gotta sit through the miss and Jacob kid
get it unless it's a thirty second squash, No, Like,
my god, like there's a path to Jacob having the
best US title reign the last ten years or just
like they're lumping them with the worst, like I said,
like Mellow black on Drade Ray Phoenix, like you gotta
fucking killers that they could just tear like they said Russive,
like you have so many people or you have mis
Stroman solo Tomatonga Tonga.
Speaker 2: Loa imagine one handicap man.
Speaker 3: Imagine Jacobar tou versus the God's favorite version of rusive
that we saw in aw God Absolute Bangers. I need
that in my life.
Speaker 2: Jacob versus Page.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll take youth the page. I'm not eating Page,
so I'll take it.
Speaker 2: That'll be when you know miss Low blows mellow and
he joins up with.
Speaker 1: You gave me flashbacks when you said, like, oh the
two for one, this is what they're gonna do, the
fucking Jacob. They're gonna have Jacob to finish its missing
Universal Championship match. Oh my god, please no, yeah, yeah,
coming up, it's coming on. It's missing all I won
the Andre but we'll see. I'm just hoping. Please Triple
h row Dog, whoever's booking SmackDown, just let Jacob just
go make it the Workers title because the Icy title
will see Like if Dom gets that, that's like the
fun Heally Championship. You said, I'll make Jacob just go,
just make them like Umonga, just go and have bangers.
But we'll see like again every week, have Jacob main
eventing SmackDown with some great stuff. I don't know, I'm
probably being too happy about it, but any also on
Jacob ar Ely Knight, I'm just just a.
Speaker 2: Really great manch like I said, they they over delivered.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm looking at the SmackDown roster now. Uh, like
we said, you're gonna have your bronze strowman match. I
could see him going against Andrade. You know you got
Drew who can bounce back between the main card and
the mid card. I would love if the Street Prophets
dropped the tag titles, then have Montese Forward go against him,
like you You've got options there.
Speaker 1: You're still wait for that montes Ford singles run to show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still waiting waiting on Montese that to get
his push.
Speaker 1: So, man, I can't believe on the post show, but
he actually said this is a quote. The company I
think was trying to position Solo as the guy Jacob
thought to was just undeniable. It's different for US fans
to say that.
Speaker 2: It was like the backstage report before Jacob even debuted,
like they didn't want to debut because they thought he
would just completely overshadow Solo and he And.
Speaker 1: Here's my thing too, Like I talked about like I'm
not a I'm not I guess I'm a Solo defender
in the sense that I don't think he's as bad
as people think. I do understand I've seen matches like oof.
But my problem is even to me and Jake Woo goes,
oh if that could not be good. But the thing
is that you had him in all those main event
programs in the summer, he lost with those feuds, and
then other than appearing Jacob's engines who really did nothing,
Solo's yeah, he's dead in the water now because at
least would live. For me, it was like, you gotta
have like your summer main events. You can't just forget
about them, because then it makes people feel like those
really long months between many a season, it's like, oh,
it doesn't matter who's the main people now because they're
gonna go away. Because that was a big vincism that
you'd have all these people then Brock Taker, Triple h
would all come back for their Mania matches, and be like, oh,
so all the people I invest in for you are gone.
Solo I think is one of those were Live at
least Live is getting a wrestled Mania match tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Solo.
Speaker 1: Nothing. This guy made event Summer Slam. He challenged for
the title, He main invented the or he didn't. But
he had that still cage match with Cody at the
Debut Network thing. It's just like it, it's crazy word.
So it's just like, sure he'll have a match with Jacob,
but yeah, I think he's yeah, he maybe there's a
takele run in his future.
Speaker 2: I think he'll just kind of just be around, Like
I don't think he's getting sent to anything. But yeah,
but it's just like me. He'll be hang around, he'll
do his backstage segments, he'll do his Our Truth segments,
he'll be on speed. You know, he'll hang out.
Speaker 1: He'll get a calmedy take team with Our Truth and David.
That's a horrifying image. You can join our discord to
see these images. But speaking of, we have El Grande
Americano versus Ray Phoenix because Monster. Unfortunately, man, this is
what fucking sucks. Just wrestling just a six man to
promote your match and he gets injured, and it like
we all kind of knew that because I was sharing
you guys those clips where he didn't get injured. The
matches a storyline. When they won the match, he wasn't
even in there. People were checking them after and everyone's like, uh,
And my thought was, I thought they were gonna push
this tonight too and see if Ray could make it.
But clearly his leg must be that bad enough to
and hopefully it's something too serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he was he was walking around today,
So hopefully it's not like like too bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so hopefully so, but clearly not enough to wrestle.
Speaker 2: It just like it's always the simple like it was
literally just they pulled him out of the ring by
the leg and that, yeah, what did it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So yeah we got Ray Phoenix instead, you know, had
no Wrestlelmanta gear, so he found like a cool lucha
jack and stuff and you know what could Again we
talked about kudos story Phoenix where he's been there for
a couple of weeks, like a fish on the roster
already wrestlemingting.
Speaker 2: Match l twenty four hours notice.
Speaker 1: And that's why for me, this match, like all g
not at all bad match. I think this was like
a good this like to me, like a good SmackDown
raw match to me. And but that's why I'm fine
that because like they had less than twenty four hours,
it's mania. I'm sure they would have done stuff. We
had some crazy moments like fucking Chad Gables whatever the
four Factory, Yeah that fuck you. Ray Phoenix definitely got
the air knocked out of him because you could see
Chad for a second he like.
Speaker 2: Starting, yeah, he hit one of those like what Jeff
Party called this his crew ton bombs or he just someone.
Speaker 1: I think Chad was like, I think I've broken this
guy's rib. And then after they do the penny kicked
out and the ref checked on Ray. But you can
see he's like, yeah, I'm good, but you can just
tell he was like I'm hurting right now, like but
kudos to them. And yeah, there's a couple of moments
Ray can fucking you know, we almost he can go.
He I think this was another good thing. It didn't
reach La and Jacob, but like they kept the the
fan anticipation shop because Ray's doing all these cool flips
and stuff. And also the PM seen, right, they haven't
watched you know, uh fucking aw, they haven't watched the
show underground Luke underground. Like there's tons of people that
still have only seen three matches of this dude. So
I thought this was a salt match. Circumstances, you know,
made it what it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they still were able to do the forehead spot.
They just changed it. Like I said, I thought they
were gonna do it with the six one nine and
said they did it with the uh they kick off
the rogue that Ray Phoenix stermly does. I will say this,
I would have loved to see what kind of entrance
Ray Phoenix would have had had they had more than
twenty four hours to prepare. That was the one thing
that I was like, Man, I bet you for his
first WrestleMania, he would have come up with a dope
entrance had he had more than just oh, hey, you
know what you're going in tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least got some Pyro in the back, you know,
the Red Pyron got it out there.
Speaker 2: So you think El Grande's going to the Triple A
to fight VI Kingo on these days.
Speaker 1: Well they set that up big time because like he
was like Vi Kingo kicked him and at the end
of that, like it was so weird the way they
had Vi Kingo like pause with Ray Fenix and it
felt like accept a heel turn. I know that was
gonna happen, but they.
Speaker 2: Didn't really thought. I thought he was gonna do like
in the match with Bandito, like he was gonna tell
the ref like I saw him put the plate in
like restart this match or something.
Speaker 1: So so, yeah, we didn't talk about this. They have
acquired it. It's weird because they've talked about this all
throughout the program. Sometimes they said partnership and acquired. It
is acquired, but sometimes they said partnership. It's like, no,
you fucking bought them. You didn't like it's not so
I kept.
Speaker 3: Saying, which is it? I need you guys to stick
with the theme here. You're either partnering or you acquired,
like one or the other.
Speaker 2: There's still not much info about it. I think it
was I forget if it was Genre Sap or Dave
or someone who said, like it's been sort of in
the works for a long time the time, yeah, yeah,
And then with the t KO merger that really starts
feeding things.
Speaker 1: Up well, and that's the thing where we are now
we talked about in our discord. But like you can,
that's a good thing and bad thing. Maybe I think
it kind of suck. It feels very much like Xbox
and PlayStation where they're buying all the studios. That's a
both w A and AW are doing. They're all partnering.
Speaker 2: Like ye, yeah, I saw I saw a tweet and
I forgot to say it, but it was like it's
like there really is a wrestling war and there's two sides,
and all the independent shows are.
Speaker 1: Just in the yeah, exactly right, and they're just uses
like almost scouting in with wid now. So yeah, they
got Triple A. We'll see what happens. There's a few
people there specifically at Alberto. I do not need back in,
Like this is a fucking guy like had a woman
tied up in the streets, Like this is not a
person we need on fucking I know Dudy's had a
weird week with pr, right, but there's for me at
least a difference of your opinion whatever as shit his
opinion on I think to like, hey, this guy went
to trial for all these terrible things he did to
somebody Sireya had said, like, yeah, some bad shit happened
our relationship too. It's like, I hope some of these
people don't make it over. I don't know what they're doing.
And my pointing us back to the match is, you know,
good for Chad, he got like a match, but I
don't know. It's just like right top of the prediction
where he was last year, he's doing this now he's
do shorty g It's just like, I still just wish
he was just Chad Gable doing this. I guess I've
said before, I'm not offended. It's tough for me because
I'm a white Canadian. I can't be offended on the
behalf of Mexican people. But like, I'm not offended by
the gimmick, but I'm also not like I just don't
care about it. It's almost it's like it's not go away.
He It's just like I'm uninterested because we just know
the angle here and I wish it was Chad. But
good enough match. Is there anything else on this or
anything you guys want to say? The Triple A stuff there?
When's that show again? S Pubs is a June. They're
doing the World's Collide thing with the crossover, which will
be interesting because like.
Speaker 2: It looked like it was branded as like NXT, but
it was also like Ray I think said, you's like
gonna try and be there or something. So it may
just be an xc A super fight show and then
they just put Ray in the main event. Yeah something, And.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting too because like even there's people
in New Japan or cmll AW fans are much more
like the Marx hardcore fans, right, and they they know people,
but sometimes they're like, I don't know this person. The
w W audience, that's gonna be some difficult. So many
people don't know a lot of it. So it's like,
I I'd love to know the percentage of people that
are in the restume same who knew who VI Kingo was, right,
Like there's tons of people that go to them had.
Speaker 2: Like clipped good like he has like viral clips. I
don't think people know his name.
Speaker 1: Exactly right, So it's gonna be interesting to see. But yeah,
we're in that state, we're both collectors.
Speaker 2: In his full gear and just the announcing he was
doing pock mode.
Speaker 1: There, Okay, then after this this, after I'm pretty sure
which we talked to when we got that.
Speaker 2: I think it really only went to night time for
the main event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had again. I don't get me wrong. Again
love Triple h He's one of I don't know if
he's my top ten, but he might be. I've not
done my top ten.
Speaker 3: Well, go on, hold on real quick. I just looked
up Triple A's roster. It includes Matt Riddle.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's actually on the he's won a
title there, but I'm pretty sure he's like an m
LW guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a thing. Who knows who else is there?
Speaker 3: But Raj Jesse, the former Maharasha.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of these people who are like I mean,
like Jeff Jarrett and like those type, like he shows
up in Triple A like every other week.
Speaker 3: But but these these are the people who, according to
SmackDown Hotel, who's pretty current with their listed roster, are
some of the big names that perform there. Now, Yeah,
you've got other people who are on their like Murder
Clown we're not going to see and things like that
Laredo kid who had wrestled in there before and WW
before is on there. But yeah, I doubt we're going
to see anything with albertel Patron, Like no one's going
to use him, even even with the.
Speaker 2: The TNA thing, Like they haven't done anything with Tessa
or anything, so I feel like they sort of know
like the sort of stuff that be, Like like I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, you're not going to see Murder Clown on WWTV.
Speaker 1: I hope, but I never know what the next year,
a lot can happen.
Speaker 2: I feel like what's gonna happen more. I feel like
they're gonna do the big crossover show and that's gonna
be the big one. But I feel like a lot
of time and it's just gonna be they're sending guys
to Triple A to do like kind of what they
did the big TNA storylines, and then for a while
they've just kind of been sending some NXT people to
do TNA as like reps and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so we'll see. They did the Hall of
Fame walk out again. I loved Traubleach, thought his speech
was great last night. Just weird he's coming out for
Hall of Fame. He doesn't need to open the show again.
Speaker 3: He narrows it was no Luger for the Hall of Fame. Walkout.
Speaker 1: I bet they might be saving him for tomorrow because
I wonder if he can only do one, because he
even said that in his speech where so he he
I can't rememberf it was a wheelchair. They helped him out,
but they helped him to the podium and he stood.
But he said even in his speech that the plan
was for him to do a walk from the stage
to the podium, but he had it fall at the airport.
So he said that, like that's what really messed him up.
So it could be that situation where he like that fall.
Maybe maybe he was just fine for the speech, but
then after that it's gonna be you know. So that's
my predictions. Maybe just because they usually they do do
them on both nights for some reason. That's why it's
like Trip's gonna come out, spit again. Love that they
didn't have another camera, so he spat, and then the
camera's covered in water, so they're going by all the
feel is covered the water. But again, like, man, you're
coming out for Hall of Fame. You don't need to
come out night one and be like it's right. I
understood wrestulating in forty that's a that's a big one.
But he narrates the video. He comes out, It's like, man, like,
we get it. Man, we get you are running. You're
the leader of the fucking ship. I get it. I
got And he's ending the press conference right now, like
he is all.
Speaker 3: He's been ending the press conference for the last thirty
five minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh has he been.
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: I'm excited to listen to later the best restumated. But yeah,
so we got that and then yeah, we talked about
Sharon and Tiffany, and then we got the main event,
which some great entrances all around.
Speaker 3: We talked about punk entrance was incredible, and I Set's
entrance got me because when he first came out, I
was like, oh, well, this is lame. Then he has
the flame throw on like Rock's already done this but okay,
and then the lights they had.
Speaker 2: The at WW World they have the Rock sign.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and I'm like hat like the lights go
out and they hit him with the white and he's
got the Jesus sunglasses uh with the crown of thorns
of them, and I'm like, bravo, bro.
Speaker 2: The screen black, just like pure black, not even like darkness.
I was like, did he like it's that on fire?
Or something like what's going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we had that, but the punk thing was
Punk was amazing that entry.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go back to the very first promo and
then you have fire Burns, good stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I liked the piano version of this fire Burns
that was behind it before they went into the actual music.
Like at first it's starting and I hear the piano
and I was like, wait a minute, that's this fire Burns.
And then they go into the real thing. I'm like, oh,
this is just amazing.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like what they did that one time
with Drew McIntyre where they had like a promo video
before his entrance with the what's the name of Broken Dreams?
Oh yeah, and then they went into like his his
normal entrance. But I mean, I see with Living Color though,
that was great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I remember because like legitimately I got choked up
because like, punk is one of my guys. He's like
of that last era when I was a wrestling junkie
watching indies and watching ROH And I remember in Canada
the ECW version, like the do D version, it was
like at one am on our channel here like on
the Tuesday, we didn't get regularly and I remember seeing
Punk was gonna be on and I stayed up late
on a school night to watch that. I remember that
that promo of like I'm seeing punk and I'm addicted
to pro wrest like and it works. It's like a
cheesy promo. It works as punk the way he is, like,
I don't drink it. But like I remember sitting there
watching that, like I had to see that lie. So
the fact they had that and had him redo all
his promos again, I go back and forth on the
rest of me manument thing, but it's fine. It works
here because you know that's what he wanted. He closed
off a showing a big angle and yeah, that was fantastic.
Living Color was back, which that was a full circle
moment for me because I said the discord last of
Punk wrestled the wrestleing it was the rest twenty nine.
I was there for that and Living Color was there too,
and that was such a great moment and there was
fun stuff seeing him with Paul. It was a very
cool for full circle moment in classic punk. No cool
like wrestling. He just has the fucking debate showed that
he used to wear with Paul all the time in
that run. You know, it's like it was perfect. So no,
it really felt like a like a full you know,
he's made his buy two for going remarks, but it's
like yeah, for him, it means some of them happy again.
I still would one time like next June Night tune
like close it, close it.
Speaker 2: But uh, I feel like there's a chance you still
get that code this Punk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I think that's definitely could be on the table. Hell,
like they could stretch it out like they left on
the table. I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon,
but like we'll get to. But like even Roman and Punk,
like they they did some stuff here.
Speaker 2: But he didn't take the pin. He didn't take the pit. Yeah,
that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we got this main event here. At first
I was worried, but I completely take it back as
they they at the beginning had the face offs, which
was good, stare downs, crowd was eating it up. Crowd
was pretty like it was like a I don't know,
like a.
Speaker 2: Thirty three.
Speaker 1: I definitely think said that like a little more. But
they were singing. They were pretty hyped on them. But
with Punk and Roman, those were the loudest, but in
like the after they faced off, they went to the crowd,
and just like last year for Night one, it's not
that I hate it, but like there's times where was like,
I just want to stay in the ring. Luckily, all
they did is they fought there and they did a
circle and they went right back. I was worried like
last year because the tag match they had.
Speaker 2: Like as like split off completely and it's like you
couldn't even follow it.
Speaker 1: And I didn't want a section where Seth and Punk
find the crowd then Roman and Punk find the like
I didn't need that. I was happy they just did
a circle and led to Roman jumping and taking some
fans out. But like overall, I thought this was it
was a great man but a great character moment match
as well, And it's so funny like the last week
Man between Dynasty where we got Speedball, Ricochet and Kenny
and then NXC where we got Trick Javon and.
Speaker 2: People are joking had the tweet in the drafts of
the NXT one being better, but honestly think it's pretty
close at the end of it.
Speaker 1: But that's with this to me, they are all three
great triple threat matches that are like different in the.
Speaker 3: C Yeah, they're great in their own rights that they
all have different reasons for being great. Like with the
NXC triple Threat, Javon Adams was just on another level
of greatness. Trick was doing this thing, he busted out
some new moves like it was great for its own reason,
but this the storytelling behind us, the pure psychology behind the.
Speaker 2: Moment, and then was just great.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They all delivered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it left you with memorable moments, whether it
be the Roman diving over the crowd and taking everyone
out or again the Paul Haymon moments. There was just
there were so many great moments with this that it
just it left you remembering this match. And again that's
what a main event should do. It should have those moments,
it should leave you with those memories. And yeah, all
in all, this was an absolute amazing way to close
out Night one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I think they absolutely delivered here at lots of
great moments, not to the same amount of quality, but
it reminds me like some people might hate it, but
the two ones that reminds me of is Brett and
Sean the Ironman match. It wasn'tn hour but that and
then the Rock and Austin seventeen where throughout the matches
you always had like big moments and that was like wrestling,
and then a big moment like stuff like the shield
power bomb spot was fantastic. Seth actually said marks his
fucking name on it, which was crazy.
Speaker 2: That was like that was the thing. He was like
that like kind of snapped Roman into like, yeah, his
old version for a moment, which which is also like
the story is is it's truly never gonna end until
they do the tal.
Speaker 1: Wrestle me. You gotta do it, you know, but like
that's the thing where and then they all hug at
the end. You know, that's the finish right there, right,
but like they do that thing where last on Friday, Yeah,
last night he call he said Dean Ambrose. But then
today he said mocks. But yeah, he said, like you
don't have Paul, you don't have the bloodline, you don't
have Mocks. And I was like, okay, this is you know,
I'm waiting for him to drop that blood that fucking
title come back. But then I knew this spot was
coming when he had him because the way he had
was holding like see him punk I'm like, he can't
physically lift see him punk that way, So I'm like, oh,
it's not happening. But it was so great this moment
of Rolan's firing up. He's doing the old big dog thing.
Then he looks and he punches Seth. We get our
first table spots with the new tables, which that's why
they don't put him first. It's like they got no
gifts because like that's because they explain to amily. It's
like at least with the other tables, like they break
and you keep falling, right, this is like a sudden
stop and then it breaks because it's like it's just solid.
I'm not saying it's like oh my god, like the
like the fucking cement floor. But I think that's why
they don't do it, and they had to do it. Yes,
it worked, but no, I thought that was great where
he fired up, the crowd won it, and then he's
like no, because he's he's I think it's like Roman
finally shown no, like I'm I am alone, Like I'm
not gonna, you know, have this one night stand with you,
Like I'm not helping you out here, like whatever, I'll
do both myself, Like you said in the discord when
he got the double power bomb, because he did want
to punk, And legitimately I thought I was right because
when he did one, the timing of it was he
did want to punk, he did want to see punk
was in the ring, he gone and speared him. I
legit legitimate that that's it, because I thought Roman's going
over this is it. That's a good finish right there,
like he overcame the Shield thing. He took out his
like you know, fake mentor and see him punk. But
there's a lot of good false finishers, even the one where.
Speaker 3: They did the spear them to pedigree followed by the
curb stomp. I thought, I was like, oh, this is yeah,
until now the flying.
Speaker 2: Spear pedigreek hatch was amazing.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I was like, wow, that was a callback
to Again. Funny enough, when Roman got suspended for steroids,
they took the title off him that way because that
he jumped and uh, Seth got him and then after
that Moxley cashed the mind in the bank on Seth.
It was the night where all Shield members were world tour. Yeah,
but like that was a great call up. But yeah,
that moment when it was GTS into spear and to
stomp until Rollins fell like collapse. I'm like, oh my god, Rollinds,
this is gonna win right here, because there's no way.
But they there's lots because like you can do the
spam kickout finisher, and of course the crowd's gonna pap
But it was like the variation of how they're doing
it tonight of just it wasn't just that there's a
little bit like near the end. It was very masterfully done.
And then obviously the very end. We've talked a little
bit about the big moment, which you know, we hint about.
You know, David, you were really putting it out forward
of you know, Seth winning and a reason why. But
we got a great layout of Seth's down, it's punk
and Roman there in the middle, Paul goes gets the
chair like what's he gonna do? He gives it because
I actually at first thought Dave was right. But what
I thought he was gonna do is they were there,
and I thought he was gonna saw the chair past
than the set.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I don't know, I was going
to do it like in the middle of all three
of them, to be like, oh, who is it.
Speaker 3: For the only reason I didn't think that they were
going to do that is because he already did that
in the Brock run them and they still had to
figure it out, like he didn't choose his side, So
this one I thought more that he was going to
When Punk went to go swing the chair, he would
grab it out of his hands. But I like the
low blow better, like it just it held more weight.
Speaker 2: I knew they were like Shenanigan's gonna absolutely because that's
the same thing too, Like the funny deal of the story,
like what's Roma gonna do without Paul?
Speaker 1: I get it, hits his counsel, like Paul has interfered
in like five percent of his matches in the last
five He's like, that's not Paul Hayman's route in this
Paul Hayman did more with the bronc Lesner as far
as like interfering and stuff with Roman. Not really, but yeah,
he slides the chair to Punk, Punk goes hit Roman
low blow. Roman's all happy. He climbs over, and this
is where I knew.
Speaker 3: I acknowledge.
Speaker 1: And then when he hit Punk with the chair and
speared him and stuff, I was like, okay, because I
was like, oh, this is gonna set up like SummerSlam
Punk Roman one on one. Maybe they want Roman to
be heel again. I saw the vision, but when they
didn't immediately go to the finish like okay, no, like
this is not over with because it was it was
getting too drawn out to be oh yeah, he just yeah,
because you would think about, like talking about the Jane
gun the thing. Imagine if he did just hit Seth
and peer like spear him, the crowd would be kind
of dead because it's like, well, that's like we see
what's happening. Like it's just Roman winning because he got
the chair, but this was great of seys up. He's like,
goh hit him, even though it's like he sent Roman
over this. He did this last year, Like does he
just always want does he want Seth tied to the
ropes and just wants to continually beat him over? But
Paul's like, look, look my travel chief ses do in
the shield pose. So Roman's gonna go hit him. I
think Paul got down a little too early because Rod
had even picked up the chair.
Speaker 3: Paul had like pretty sure Paul hit his fist on
the chair.
Speaker 1: He like missed time. That's okay, he did that and
both got massive pops too when he got down to
his knees and hit the thing. And then just that moment,
the shot of Paul standing there and Seth not even
turning around, and Seth just puts his hand out for
the chair. And that's why I went with the name.
I think they'll do a variation, but man, I felt
like I was watching fucking twenty fifteen Seth Rawns all
over again and like that's what we want. Like how
for the past year, especially last two gimmicks I've been
bitching about like Rowns has looked like an idiot. He
talks about stuff of like this was really bad, and
the people were like, we love seeing but we love her.
Like and as a as a heel, you can do
that because you're supposed to get booed. You're supposed to
be the bad guy. But it's a babyface. If you're
making honest, truthful points and they're booing you or like
cheering against you, you just look dumb. So this is
the perfect way where he can say, Hey, I told
you all this, you don't pick my side. I told
everyone about these two. No one listens to me. Fuck
you all. And he looked like they'll do vation, but
he looked like just his facials, it reminds me of
post shield set and that's the best like he should
have done.
Speaker 2: He was moving in this mess. He got some extra
extra stemselves for this time. He was landing on those
knees pretty hard on on the moon and stuff, and
he was okay.
Speaker 1: And that's where like I know, he said, he's more
near the end of his career, but they should have
done this before. Where even triple h H, I can't remember.
I watched the interview with him, but he said this
in his dogs to where he tripped Stone Cole was
already the top guy, and he saw Rock was gonna
be the top guy, and he realized, I can never
be the top baby face, but I can be like
the Darth Vader of those two that should have always
been sad. He should always been one A one two heels.
Speaker 2: He's said that there were those interviews like just this
past year where they're talking about like WA needs like
a big heel and.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that, and clearly Scene is not always gonna
be around right like he's we were assuming and win
the tilS more, but there's gonna be time where he
goes away, so you need someone else also anchor it.
He can also be the one, like you said as Bubbs,
that could just destroy J and I hope that wouldn't
that be great? Like Roman's gone and he takes the
title off of J. Like I I and I do
trust triple age because Seth rons is a Triple H guy.
I think this has worked out for somebody that didn't
even want him in the match. If this was the angle,
if it was just Punk winning Seth winning Roman, I
felt a great match. But still with those other ways,
this made it all worth it. And I think Seth
and Paul's going to be a very fun dynamic as well.
Speaker 3: So I got like, there's only perfect this, There's only
one option going forward. Seth needs to come out in
something special. He has to come out that is.
Speaker 1: A good call.
Speaker 3: He should come literally and the I'm a Paul Hayman
guy t shirt has to come out.
Speaker 1: In Matt especially on smack Down, he sat down like
see him punkin did like the whole pipe bomb type
of promo thing, like he should come out with a
Paul Hayman guy shirt. That would be great at least
say that, But yeah, no, this is this is great
and you know it's funny. We tell us a few
weeks ago where people were predicting this and I was like, yeah,
and even David you said you could see that happened.
I was like, that would be great, but I just
don't know if they're gonna go that route. And this
one of these cases where they went there. And I
think this is perfect because now I want to see
Seth and Roman one on one. I want to see
Seth and Punk one on one again. They're still meat
on the bone for Roman and Punk, like there is
there's tons of stuff like.
Speaker 2: I mean, now there's even you can do Cody Seth again.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, and Cody Seth shgetto's win back. Hell, you
can do Roman and see him Punk on a team
together and verse Seth and somebody like fuck get Moxley.
But could you Matt, my god, could you imagine if
you had Seth and John Moxley Dnams versus seeing Punk
Roman rains my god, like we need moxs back over.
Like I said, do a trade trade somebody I don't
know who in wa Okay, you know who, because we're
not gonna talk about tomorrow. Trade fucking Bailey because I
don't care what anyone's gonna say. I love Becky Lynch.
I think she is the most main female we've ever
had in the restling business. This ship about, Oh, it's
been planned for weeks that Bailey was just gonna be
bench for poss with Becky. We know it's Becky. This
is this is fucking bullshit.
Speaker 3: That tweet from Mercedes Money though, that that got me
when she was like, hey, your pointe.
Speaker 1: Phone money and it's like, yes, go get the bag.
But I'm pretty sure didn't Bailey like re sign last year.
Speaker 2: For like five years or something like no.
Speaker 1: No, So this is here, I'm saying, do a trade.
Get in the room, send Bailey there, send moxley over.
And I think that's actually a fair like trade, especially
where Moxleye's stock is right now, that's a fair trade.
You get the dream team of Willow and Bailey together
as well, like everyone wants to there, they were hanging
out a couple of days ago. Well, like I just like,
I'm so we'll see tomorrow. But I am pissed for
Bailey because like that is like because everyone's just like, well, house,
would you get there? The whole thing? You know what,
you fucking do the same thing. Randy Orton did, Hey, tomorrow,
I'm having an open challenge. You just have Raquel and
Live on Monday, say hey, we're having an open challenge,
and guess what. Let's say Becky for some reason isn't
gonna show up. Then you go, okay, just do light
on Bailey. They go out have a match, but then
there's no announcements, thos, nothing, and like I'm not gonna
speak for personal people's personals, beliefs and everything like that,
but like I can't believe Becky would be like cool
with this, Like I don't know how Becky Bailey or
maybe she fucking hates Bailey and she's like, yeah, suck it,
you know, like take this. But it's like to be like,
how am I gonna come back well for them? For weeks,
We're gonna promote Bailey's in this match, and you're gonna
take your spot. And I know she's gonna get a
big pop people be happy to see her, but I'm
just on my own personal level, it's like, can't, like,
can't you even do this on the raw after It's
just like that to me is so shitty. I hate
this I hate everything about this, especially because there's all
these examples of Bailey always being like pushed aside, like
I don't know. So that's what I'm saying. Get on
the phone with TK, work something out. Get Moxley over here,
you get Willow, you get Monet, you get fucking what
Billy Starks that's her favorite wrestler, right, boom, get Billy Starks,
Like there's so much for her to do over there,
Like it's fine, there's so much from Maxley doing w
there's so much for Bailey to do over there. And
to me, if I just I was not hoping Bailey
was injured, but I kind of was because I go, okay,
that makes sense, she's hurt. Hey, Becky, we got a
spot big Pop. You want to come in for a night,
that'd be fine. But the fact that if like other
like I think it was fightful and PWI reporting that
now this has been planned for a bit, it's like
and like talent backstage, it's it's so funny. My last
point in this is because we all watch at the
WrestleMania nine doc with Hogan Asbubs who shared the meme,
But it was that where they're like, yeah, all the
boys weren't happy with Hogan, and that's already the rumor, like, yeah,
people are kind of really bummed for Bailey because everyone
likes her and like this is kind of shitty, and
it's like, especially in a world where Becky already get
those like Becky Hogan comparisons like that is not a
good look, in my opinion, not a good look to
just take a spot, Like it'd be different if Bailey
or Becky showed up for a WrestleMania season, but just
to show up wrestling a night two, My god, that's
that's some Hainish political stuff going on there. My god,
you know, first world problems. I'm sure it's gonna be fine.
Band's getting paid seven figures, I'm sure, but it's just
like that did not stay with me. When I was
watching that pre show and she was injured, I was like,
you gotta be shitting me. They're doing this, but uh
oh yeah, any thoughts on the event or anything with
Bailey there anything we haven't touched upon.
Speaker 3: No. I feel bad for Bailey. I think that she
has been such an asset to this company. To build
her up only to pull her is just a stupid,
fucking decision like there. I have no other words other
than that, it is just a stupid fucking decision. Don't
if you're not going to use her, don't build her
up and then pull her like that. Then just don't
announce or use anyone else on the roster to be
Lyra's partner. Build somebody else, Bring someone in from an XCY,
bring Roxanne Perez. I mean, you guys have been using
her on and off this year on the main roster.
Use anyone else, but don't do this to Bailey. She
is too good of a person, has been too good
for this company, this division to do something like this.
Speaker 1: Well, they even did the whole like Rox and Bailey thing.
They dropped it. It's like that would have been perfect,
like have them have like a you know, ten minute
match show off first whatever, and then have Becky or
a spot. It's just it's weird. So I just wonder
if Becky, I don't know, we'll get more in that situation.
I'm sure it's more in the next few weeks of
like why is it this situation and everything, but yeah,
it's weird, so that that's how we can get Moxye though.
That's Bailey's mad make the trade see what happens. But
I was gonna ask, do we think do we think
Seth drops this music? He kind of has to write
in my opinion, like if he's if they want him
to be actually fully heal, like you can't have to
sing along with Seth rollins, you know. In my opinion,
I don't know.
Speaker 3: He's He's used some variation of this, so I don't know.
He might change it a bit, but I think for
the most part it will stay the same. Damn it,
damn it.
Speaker 1: He should. He should use this fire burns, you know,
just just a r.
Speaker 2: You know what the shirt's gonna be. It's gonna be.
I'm a It's either gonna be I'm a freaking Paul
Hamn guy or I'll a faull freaking Hamn guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is the freaking's gonna I hope he drops
that too.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 1: I want everything. I want the costumes dropped, I want
the theme drop. I Seph has really changed himself. I
wanted to be very much more closer back to twenty fifteen.
Not a copy, but I want the outfits, the entrances,
the singing, all of it gone. I'm just hoping by
that look in his eyes. To me, it looked like
there's a change coming. But we'll we'll see. Out of ten,
what would you give WrestleMania forty one Night one and
anything else do you want to shout out before we
end this episode?
Speaker 2: Umm? Out of ten?
Speaker 1: Well, and we'll talk about sand delivery after the story.
We'll talk about that after this rating here.
Speaker 2: I think I'd probably go like a seven or like
a seven point five something along those lens.
Speaker 1: Okay, what about you, David?
Speaker 3: Right now, I have it sitting at a seven, just
straight up solid seven. There's no scenario where it goes
above at seven. Again, the main event was great. It
got me in the feels everything about that. I mean,
I just put in the discord the image of seeing
Punk afterwards after he went off the air saying I
fucking did it, and just his emotion and everything else
like that part was great. But again, the missteps and
the deflated matches that were involved definitely do bring it
down significantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard for me like to like like I'm
somewhere like a six point five seven, Like I don't
even know if I can get to seven. But it's
just like it's tough because there were some big stuff,
but yeah, I think i'm ad as I'll go six
point five, maybe I'll sit on I'll get seven. I
agree with you, David, I could not go higher than
a seven. I think, like I said, it did feel
a couple two TV or like b rate pay per views.
There wasn't too many moments, and there the moments I
thought we were gonna get either underwhelmed or underlivered. But
surprise US title match for me that I was a
great mid card match Tiffy and Shrad and Tiffany and
Shart out to me delivered, and then the main event
was I'm not sure it's like it was a great
main event. I'm not gonna say it's like one of
the best ever. I need some time. There's some main
events where I felt that, like Zasia and Bianca right after,
like okay, this is the top three, and I still
have that there this this was really great, but we've
had a lot of great events, so well, I'll wait
and see, but it's definitely definitely in the way positive,
like higher positive because like for me, it's.
Speaker 3: Not a five star match, but it's a memorable match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think I'm probably like a I don't
even be like a four point five on that five
star angle. That's all I'll give it, though, five the ending, yes,
five starle that that always helps that And that's where
it's like it's rock in Austin but done the right way,
because it is like guy turning heel was steel chair,
but it's like, oh, this one makes sense. We're Austin.
I know they wanted to, but for me, it's just
why I always can't put that mainvent too high. But yeah,
I'll go with six point five for now, really hoping
for Night to stand a liver. I'll go first because
I've not seen it at all. But I saw the
ladder match. I skipped because I don't fucking I don't
fuck with the family or I don't care. I don't
like that storyline all any like Stacks and everything, So
I skip that because I was shriving back from US,
so I watched that. I watched the women's fatal four
way and the Triple Threat. Like David said, Javon is
like that guy. I've seen him rest before, but man,
he's just like a freaking ancent. The way he's moving around.
That's fucking Spider Man. That's not a wrestler that is
Spider Man, and that was that, Like I honestly, I'm
I'm still going back and forth, but I said, like
that for me might be a five star match because
it's just like the athletic side from all three of
those guys. The spots were great, and I also thought
like multiple spots were very creative. Ladder match was tons
of fun. I've got fallt too much, but they maybe
invested what's the team what's the team of? Absolutely yeah, when.
Speaker 2: They look on your uh your living the next version.
Speaker 1: That's what I've heard. Yeah, But when they are on
the top of the ladder, did that spot before they
punched and or like stopped her and then they went
to the fight. Because I was with people, I literally
thought they were gonna kiss for a second, like the
way that the way they like it was a little
stroke of the hand and everything. I was like, it
was great, and uh, you know the ones Fatal four
where it was like that was really good. Maybe didn't
meet my complete expectations. I think I've seen better combos
of them, but uh, from what I saw was really good.
I'm gonna try to maybe catch up on the rest
of stuff. Tomorrow than the family stuff, but uh no,
it was very good. Uh my last note is fucking
get Rocks and x NXT. She was wrestling Stephanie on Tuesday.
What's going on? She's a royal remo recorder, Like, let's
let's get her out of there. But no, I think
they delivered. And again that's where we're a of those
triple threats. You can see the variation of how different
triple threats can be. And and even then, like the
there's athleticism both aw one and this one, but this
one had like the big man feel right where.
Speaker 2: Aw One was kind of like in the middle of
these two because they had a lot of the like
the spots on the work rate, but then it also
went like thirty minutes or something.
Speaker 1: Along and like their story was like Kenny's beat up
an old Kenny overcome this. You know, they had the end,
but they had like the like the bald spot and everything,
so they had their like moments. But yeah, no, the
great and I'm I'm hoping that they don't do what
I've talked to a spos and discord. I don't want
I don't watch edix T every week, but I think,
uh Trick lead in that heel group is.
Speaker 2: Not I I don't think what's gonna happen now. I
feel like they were sort of building that he was
like the leader and they attacked him, and I thought
that was gonna be a swerve of like, oh, they're
gonna help them win. But since then, like they were
like in a six man match against them, but they
just like like Trick and Ova just like fought to
the back and like during the match, So there wasn't
really any involvement. So I think it's it's gonna end
up not really being related.
Speaker 1: But I think that to me, just like call him
up now. I think it's time. Like I know people like, oh,
he's at the grass wrestler, it doesn't matter. This doesn't
be another greatest wrestler, and w like it's like Trick
still has a to me, enough of the tools he
can be a main roster especially main roster matches sometimes
you don't even wrestle. It's like athletically as NXT matches,
you have a lot of Trick Williams can go fucking
wrestle the Miz for ten minutes and be okay, you know,
like he can go wrestle Jacob for to and fuck
to will Care Like please, I'll take Trick Williams versus
Jacob fought two over the Miz any day at least
fuck but like, yeah, I think get him on the
main roster. Prefer that. I'd say, don't put them with Mellow,
keep them apart for now. I'd say, get Trick on raw.
Get that because remember he was on the raw Netflix
thumbnail randomly remember when they were first going.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, and just like the trailers and stuff.
Speaker 1: Get that chant on Netflix. You know you got the yat,
you got to whoop that trick perfect?
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh you go. You know I watched all of
the NXT. I advise you again, the family match you
could skip, you did, You didn't miss anything. The fallout, Yeah,
the fallout of it is really all that mattered. I
like the women's fatal four way match. I will say this,
if you are not going to put an NXC title
on Jordan Grace, then go ahead and move her up
to the main roster, because I do think that she
is main roster ready. She was main roster ready when
she came over. I know she wanted to be in
n XT because she liked the women's division in there.
Speaker 1: But girls other than Jada, I think they're all ready
to go, which is fine, you can't get NXT, but
like they're ready right now.
Speaker 2: I don't think that you there's also a lot of
people server cutting you off. But I think there's a
lot of people that when this crop of the main
event women go up, they're like a lot of the
women in the North American Title Ladder match, I think
are gonna be like the main events when the leave.
Speaker 3: I just think for Jordan Grace right now, or her
character for who she is built to be, you can't
continue to have her in the main event scene and
not win. So at this point put her on the
main roster like some of the other people. Again. You
can continue to have Julia Chase for the championship. You
can have her and Stephanie Vacour go back and forth
for a little while. Jada Parker's fine in the next
ty for a little while, and you have this great
group of women who is in the North American Championship match.
But for someone like Jordan Grace, who's this big, dominant powerhouse,
you can't keep having her not win.
Speaker 1: The big one who just can fucking move man like
I've seen. I've watched Grace for a long time, but
like she's so big, but she's just so like athletic
and she just go. It's great, Like she should not
be able to move when she does with that big
of a frame and the weight she's carrying, like she's
so she's just like effortless like every because I never
really watched much of her teenage stuff and she's always
been good. But I remember when she's the Rumble couple
years ago. I was like, wow, she's look good. Every
time I see her, it's like, yeah, so I'm with
you that maybe if she doesn't go, she should be
the one to get that titleman sent the other two,
I don't know, but yeah, Jordan again great showing just
some great power spots and she's got good charisma too.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, but uh yeah, I also saw the
whole show, even the the pre show.
Speaker 1: Match who end up winning that I actually never knew
Tatum and Gigu Okay, yeah with the fucking all I
saw was the sexual submission thing. That's that's all I
saw my timeline from that match.
Speaker 2: They have a lot, they have a lot of moves,
a lot of their tag team moves are in a
similar similar style of that. Yeah, but uh yeah, the
whole thing is they want and now because it's like,
oh it could be because they're gonna be facing the
Women's Tag Team Champions on NXT this week, so it's like, oh,
if it's if it's Lyra, It's like that was Tatum's
little storyline with Lara. But yeah, the pre show match
it was it was fine. It was like it was alright,
uh Cora.
Speaker 1: And Roxane like good now or they like.
Speaker 2: Like rocksand walked out and then the big pincora Okay
yeah yeah, but it was like and the everyone was
focused on like rock Stane walking out that when they pincore,
there was like no reaction, like they just beIN. It's like, oh,
she's out because it was an elimination match as well.
Then what else was the first match Ricky and Ethan.
That was a pretty fun match. They both were just
taking a lot of bumps, like just jumping all the
way to the announced table and a lot of Ethan
those a lot of like the the bag working the backspots,
so there's a lot of again thrown on the road
like he did like the classic like drop on the ropes,
but like on his back, like just like just the
middle of his back across the rope and I'm falling
to the outside. And uh. That was a fun match.
It was.
Speaker 3: Going out through the rim.
Speaker 2: They only they only did it like one time, which
I was they had restraight for it. Most of the
time they were just chatting for either Ricky or Ethan uh,
and they were doing like the chance that people do
for like Cody and Roman. Now they were doing like
the Ricky Ricky say it's Ricky, Ricky say what else.
Then there was Phraxi him versus Hank and Tank, which
was an awesome match. I love that match. Yeah, just
both the both the teams just doing really cool stuff
and just just a great, great match. And I think
it's Hank hasn't an amazing black hole slam. He had
a great one, just like full, just like full, just
like complete rotation across.
Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2: And yeah their finisher is like it's like like he
has them like in a power slam and the other
guy runs and it's like hit and blade to his
head and then the parerslam. That's their tag team finisher
yet Okay, And yeah, that was an awesome match, and yeah, Praxium.
Speaker 1: They they lost the titles.
Speaker 2: I thought they were gonna lose. Yeah, I thought it
was like because yeah, they'd been building this whole story,
like Hank a Tank would just lose like every week
because they were trying to be like different tag teams
would show up and try and give them like advice,
and they would try and do something from those tag
teams and just like always lose. And then then the
last match was a gauntlet match to be like number
one contenders, and they were like themselves and that's how
they won. So it's like I thought, it's like they
kind of had to and they're like the big team
that's like they hadn't fought They were pretty much the
only thing that hadn't fought Praxium in like this tag
team title run, so I felt like it had to
be them. But yeah, it was still still great match
and a lot of moments were a lot of good
near falls too, and yeah, Praxium seemingly seemingly fine they
were at wrestling in yet, Yeah.
Speaker 1: They should get to that, like we talk about that
main roster. Yeah, I hope that's coming up soon.
Speaker 2: So and yeah there was the family and Dark State match,
which is, yeah, it's fine. The Dark State guys are
pretty good. They do some cool stuff, but it was
mostly about the the D'Angelo lore in this match, so
it wasn't as much about the Dark State stuff. But
it was fine. Yeah, women's four way you talked about it,
it was it was good. I liked all of them, honestly.
Stephanie Mccaerre doing her move to everyone was the big moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big spot, Yeah, uh what else?
Speaker 2: And then I think it was just a triple Threa
after that, which yeah, like he has I said, just
a really really great match, and yeah Oba, I like
he wasn't my prediction and I wasn't really thinking he
would routine. I don't know why, but it makes sense
and yeah, excited. I feel like Oba versus Javon is
definitely the plan for like, yeah, that's when wins it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why, especially with him pinning Hi because its funny.
There's sometimes where the pin is like, oh that's the end,
and that's to move on, and there's sometimes where pins
like to kind of set more up, and I think
that's just to build up him as a baby face.
And yeah, I'll be very excited to see that as
like a one on one. Have they done one on one? Well, actually,
I'll take that back, Okay, if they haven't, that's good.
But there's difference like one on one TV than one
on one like pay per view pl E.
Speaker 4: And I'll be excited for O but him they were
they were in the The Irons Iron Match, and I
think he pinned him at least once, and they Arons
like Javon Pindove I think at least once in that
and Survival match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that that that's like there's just perfect classic
like Monster Bad Guy and then like flying you know,
David Golive situation, Like I'm that's gonna be really fun
to watch. I think Javon will be in with like
a you know, a bunch of moves or a small
toy store one package.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do wonder how long this oprah rain will be, Like,
I don't know because if they want to call him up,
I think the draft, I don't know when it's happening,
but XC usually does may I think, yeah, NXC usually
does spring break in like one or two weeks after
standing deliver something like that because that's when. Yeah, because
Ilia lost this title at spring breaking and then he
got called up like right after.
Speaker 1: These fucking I know we're in spring, but she's like,
aw was spring breakthrough? This would like spring break in
these fucking like. I guess it's just because I just
associate these with like when it should be spring break,
so when it's after, it's just But yeah, I guess
you could. I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think he'll have a longer Yeah, I think he'll
have a longer rain. There's definitely I'm trying to think
like of challengers for him. I'd have to think and
really look through like the roster.
Speaker 1: I think you could have anally get Ricky Saints when
he loses the North American because I don't think it
would beat him, but that's a potential one. Plus you
other got other people coming up right or and couldn't
they have didn't totally D'Angel he beat him for the
North America, right, Yeah, so you could run that back
where but this time Oba gets his win because I
you know, I never liked that that mentioned.
Speaker 2: The Tony D'Angel match was really good, but then his
rain was just like nothing. It was a transitional rain
for a transitional rain, but you had a transitional rain
to Sean Speirarits who had a transitional rain to Ricky Saints. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it will be there for a while.
I just I just don't see them bring them to TV. Yeah,
especially because I feel like you got seen it, got Seth,
you got Russif who's gonna be like a monster heel
maybe you know stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I guess I forgot to talk about really the
women's ladder match, which was right. Yeah, I really enjoyed it,
And like you said, yeah, there's the RUCA storyline. It's
kind of it's been fun. It's like one of those
it seemed like a very random tag team, but it
seems that outside of like they're actually really good friends
because they've done a lot of little video like they
pretty much started the storyline themselves. Were just like some
like tiktoks and stuff like that, and it's just been
really working and the team when they actually do wrestle
as the team, they've been pretty good. So now I
wonder what it's it's gonna go with obviously still having
won the title here.
Speaker 1: But don't forget too new newly Speed Champion as well,
she's the double Champier now speed Champion nor And you know,
I because I haven't seen it that much. I've seen
it in the the g M O Game. I fucking
love the North America with the White Trap. There's something
about that title with the White Trap that's just like
gorgeous because some look there, some don't the White Trap
with North American. It's that white and red. Oh my goodness,
that's unique. He looks really really good, you know. So yeah, no,
she's just fucking crazy all that.
Speaker 2: Sue. She did the soul Snatcher to everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, like whatever. She like crunched her way
up on the ladder. That was because I'm like, just
don't fall, you know. And yeah, Seale, she's like, yeah,
I've seen her a few times, but I'm I'm becoming
a fan of hers.
Speaker 2: So she was really fun. She's just like just like
a just hyperactive and stuff. But uh, yeah, she they
all had a good performance here. I thought the Izzy
Dame had like a really good like like MVP of
this ladder match. I thought she had some some fun moments.
She's the one in like Sean Spears this group, which
kind of the story that she's gonna be the one
that like is like pushed in this group like they
like after Shawn Spears like lost the title, they had
like a promo video who was like I forget the
exact wording of it, but it was pretty much saying
like like we're your goons now and you're gonna be
like the main, main person here, and she's pretty good.
She she was like for a long time just kind
of like a level up type person and had like
she was like Keana James was like her mentor for
a while or something like that, but she wasn't really
doing anything like she would sort of be on TV
like every once in a while. And now it seems
like she's definitely one that's gonna be one of those
like next up when like I said, when these top
like when Julia and Jura and Stephanie start leaving, I
think she's definitely gonna be one push to that main
event picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, well, David, anything else next to you?
You say anything?
Speaker 3: Nope, that's it for me on next Sea Yeah, oh
I just seen.
Speaker 1: Because of course now you see the fall and everybody
of praise to the complete or timeline like complaining stuff
like that. It is kind of crazy the matches the
runtime like ninety seven fifty that's like for the first
FORMTCH that's crazy amount of time for like small amounts.
So I'll see, don't count for rent entrances. I will
say as a negative too, I get it. It's TKL
they do that as sponsorships. Man, there's just way too
much going on.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: Like in the middle of Jay Wuso's entrances, like here's
fucking sling Jon's girl, It's like, don't do that, sure
or later, I don't need this. In the middle of
Jay's entrance, like.
Speaker 3: There was a dude dress up as dude wipes. I
saw in the audience the annoying people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like it reminds me of how people always me
on Jeff Keey for the Video Game Awards, where it's like,
you know, I love this game, but you know I
love more like yeah, yeah, yeah, or it's like whatever website,
it's like all right, you know, like that one time
he's like, oh, you like Final Fantasy the It's like, well, no,
not that you can get with this game subscription. Like man,
the ad.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it Like it was like some like grub hub
ad and the code was like final Fan.
Speaker 1: And that's this show just reminds me of man we
were in the TK aware of like there's so many
fucking sponsorships here ads and I get it, but it's
just like it's being.
Speaker 2: Hit the ones on in the ring. I don't really
notice as much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got accustomed to it. I still wish they
weren't there, but I completely get it. I'll take those
over the CONTs and just like you know how like
at one point they went to Exfinity and like the
stage lit up purplely, like you've never seen wrestlemingting it
like this because you were watching with Exfinity. It's like,
oh my god, I'm not watching with Exfinity. It doesn't
matter to me. Like it's like it's it's just like, yeah,
there's just certain things, but I get it. But it's
just this one felt most egregious. It just felt the
most like we got WrestleMania TKO. We're gonna just fucking
hit you with as much ADS as possible. And that's
so that definitely took a little bit yeah down for
me because I think you gotta get paid, but also
just take some of that magic of when you're just
getting broken up with some of the.
Speaker 3: I would rather be on the ring stuff than like
last year with the this match is sponsored by Snoop
Dogg's Gin and Juice going around the outside of it.
Speaker 2: There was that like in the match the tag on
the home shield where it was just like a white background.
It was just like glaring. I noticed that. Yeah, the
barricade stuff was usually just like black background and just
like the logo of whatever company was sponsoring in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's that's fine. Uh, But the constant interruptions
with that was chess. It was a little bit over
the top.
Speaker 1: For me, and I got nothing to that here. I've
shared the discord. I'm just bringing out this fucking clip
of Bret Hart because man, this is the best shit ever.
He's shaking Tripa's hand and then he gives that look
like he wants nothing to do.
Speaker 2: With them, like like.
Speaker 3: Like yes, fucking guy.
Speaker 1: So funny because like, I don't know, especially there's been
so many times like when Triple H and Undertaker had
their helmotelic end of Aaron, i'mone praise it bright like yeah,
it's nothing that's special, nothing I haven't seen, Like like
he fucking hat just like Oh man, I love bred
Art so much. Like this guy when I was way
to make you the first ever three to Hall Famer
and you got the balls back. Whatever you're like, I
am sure something more into it. But fuck I love
Fred harper Man.
Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, before we get out of here, I
do have a question for you guys. It's actually a
listener submitted question, and thinking about uh the CM Punk
Match and the intro to the CM Punk Match, just
how incredible it was with that uh promo package that
they had in the mix of it all, Chris Balka
from the Marvel Lionce podcast Ever asked a question, and
his question for us is what is our favorite WrestleMania promo?
His is, uh the WrestleMania X seven, the Rock and
Stone Colt, the my Way promo everyone's favorite, but uh,
what is you guys's favorite promo? And if you need
a melment to think, I will go ahead and tell
you one of mine. Since my Way has already been said,
I'm going to go with the Daniel Bryan Monster promo
from WrestleMania thirty, the whole build behind the Yes movement
and everything else with that him going against the authority
like that had me completely fired up. An honorable mention
I would give to that is Undertaker with the Johnny
Cash Ain't No Grave. Oh when he made his return.
Speaker 1: About that one, No, it was so weird too, and
he returned on Raw. He used that as a theme
one time and then they opt it. I wish they
kept the Johnny Cash Ain't No Grave theme song Undertaker
on that run. It was so good. That was like chills.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, stabbing the contract signing with the pen
yet that that Ain't No Grave was good. But man,
that Daniel O'Brien Monster going in to wrestle me at thirty,
everyone behind him, that build up to that just it
still gives me chills thinking back on that.
Speaker 1: My top three, because I've been mentioned, Number one's my Way,
Number two is Monster. The number three is Shawn Michael's
Undertaker running up that hill for wrestling in twenty six.
It's just like a whole montage of Shawn Michael's being
obsessed with the Undertaker and screwed him over. But it
is it's a creepy version of running up that hill
and it is, man, it is really really good. There's
tons of others, but yeah, those be my top three.
That that one's just it's just I remember watching it
at that point I was younger, just like, man, this
is a work of art, this promo package. So yeah,
I love that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have to say the My Way
one obviously, but another one, so another one. I really
like this from last year, the Cody Roman Night two
main of video package. I really like. It's also an
Imagine Dragon song, but it's like, hey, yeah, and it
shows it's like the whole Cody story, Like it shows
him walking out as pictures of him with the bus and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, forgot about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it's like yeah, he's like he started
a revolution and then it's like the whole thing is
like it's like no matter, no matter the outcome, the
story ends tonight. That's the ending of it. And it
shows yeah, like the rock It's like like it shows
like the beating him up in the rain. It's like
the Mama Roads thing. Yeah, and yeah, it's a really
great one. I've rewatched that one a ton of times.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the band, but two other ones that
they did too was the There's the Rock WrestleMania twenty
nine pro or Sorry Rock and sena wrestle Mania twenty
nine prom Oh it's from Civil Twilight. They also did
one for you know, speaking of the mass the goal
The Vince Man Brett Hart one is actually really good
just because you had year like the match as they're
a live, fucking awful Top ten worst wrestling matches ever.
It's just Vince getting beat on with a chair for
ten minutes and kudos to him, which I remember back time.
Then they're like, the word is Vince is really hurt,
Like the rumor was like like really laid it into
but Vincent saying anything, but like the rumor was. There's
like an after party and they're like Vince didn't even
show up. He was supposed to be like really banged up.
But both done by Civil twelve. But like the Rock
and Scene one's great because they're like they show him
lose to the Rock, they show him lose to John Lornas.
They have like like oh John Cenea is getting divorced.
Speaker 2: They show like yeah, I just heard him about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. But it's the music and the editing is
like really really good. But yeah, I know there's there's
some great stuff out there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, oh, another good one to be part I
forget even though the match was pure shit, the intro
to the Miz versus John Cena where Miss City in
front of the TV. Yes, and it's got like the
whole build up.
Speaker 2: Of things like these amazing video packages for any feud.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what I was saying with on the discord,
Like I've said this many times. Instead of the gimmick,
that's why I want AW. They need to go hire
somebody because you can make the bet the worst feud
or most boring feud look like the most epic match,
and AW does not do that. They have a few
packages they've done in their five years that are i'd
say great or very good. But and that like the
next time Swerve and Hangman should wrestle, that should be
I'm not saying get my way, but that should be
there my way. But I guarantee it's gonna be some
thirty seconds. Oh the blood feuds. There it is, and
there they go. They just show a bunch of clips.
It's like I'm coming for you and swart of being
like Swarm's house, and then it's like they show the
graphic and that's it's like, well, like they're always like
forty five seconds. It's like, you guys have sixteen hour
pay per views, but these video that's why, probably because
the video packages. They're like, oh, we can't have those belong.
But you know, you guys go have a forty seven
minute match for fucking the T and T Championship.
Speaker 3: But you can cut off half of any cop match
and just give me video packages instead, and I will
be okay with that.
Speaker 1: Don't hurt my boy. Cope, he's haent a tough month.
You know, he got he got treachered out, he got
fucking pile drive for leave him alone.
Speaker 3: But maybe he should be wrestling for forty five minutes
and he'd last long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Give him the Jay Car gil To
He's Goldberg. But uh, we'll end it there because I
know it's late for these gentlemen. But yeah, well, a
variation of us will be back tomorrow. We'll be reviewing everything. Obviously,
we got the two big ones with the Women's Triple Threat,
and then we got Rock and Scene, which should be
or sorry I was talking with yeah for ice in
a lifetime.
Speaker 2: But we're doing it right. We're not reviewing Night two.
We're actually doing a retro nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even nine which retro review other than see him
Punkin Taker shit WrestleMania, but the.
Speaker 3: One of the times that punk show over the Swagger
on wrestling.
Speaker 1: Yel Borrow Swagger, Rye Back and Mark Henry, Triple H
and Brock and just like a I won't say a
snooze fest, but like close enough where I just had
to go over Brock.
Speaker 3: Cody getting his match cut because uh of the hip
that was that was that wrestled team Hell no.
Speaker 1: That that led to particular cash in in the next day, God,
is there anything else on that that I'm forgetting? Honestly,
Punkin Taker was legendary, and I like there's something. It's like,
there's something.
Speaker 3: Else, wasn't that the Bandango where? And then the next day,
Oh my god.
Speaker 2: You have Wade Bert versus the Miss where I think
show match. I think it might be ye, I think
I think the thing is like it's like like Wade
Ber wins it off the Miss like a week before
then Miss wins it and then like on the Rock Media,
he just went back, fucking yeah, you're forgetting yet you're
forgetting the Jericho.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh for good reason, but yeah, we will be
back Tomorrow'm not talking about restume in twenty nine Wrestling
You Have forty one Part two should be a good show.
I think everyone that tuned in uh subscribe to the
feeds and we probably hear from most of tomorrow and
not be boring.
Speaker 2: Bye.