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Speaker 1: got major Supreme Court decisions on mail in voting and
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's right to fire agency heads he doesn't like.
Speaker 1: It's decision time for Trump on the bipartisan Housingville, which
Speaker 1: he has threatened to hold hostage until the Save Act passes.
Speaker 1: And Democratic socialists are feeling the momentum after last week's
Speaker 1: primaries in New York with big primaries in Colorado today.
Speaker 1: Then Heather Williams, president of the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee,
Speaker 1: stopped by to talk about breaking Republican trifectas and building
Speaker 1: democratic ones in a bunch of key states and how
Speaker 1: critical it is that you get involved in the down
Speaker 1: ballot races happening wherever you are. But let's begin where
Speaker 1: Trump kicked off his week, posting this at six thirty
Speaker 1: am on Monday. Do you think people appreciate what a
Speaker 1: fantastic job we did in building and operating the Great
Speaker 1: American State Fair at the National Mall, packed with happy
Speaker 1: people and everybody loving it. Question Mark, ask yourself this
Speaker 1: simple question, and now we're in all caps. Do you
Speaker 1: think that Obama he wants to say Obama, but he
Speaker 1: spells it Obuma, so it's like o boomah. It just
Speaker 1: looks like a type of a bummer, right, of course,
Speaker 1: but he's shorthanding them. Yeah, he's not quite getting there.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Obama or sleepy Joe Biden could
Speaker 1: have done it? The answer is a no. President is
Speaker 1: of course, referring to the sixteen day exposition on the
Speaker 1: National Mall that will run through July tenth to celebrate
Speaker 1: America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday, an event run by
Speaker 1: Freedom two fifty, which is the entity Trump created to
Speaker 1: compete with America two fifty, which is the bipartisan entity
Speaker 1: created by Ungress years ago. Why sixteen days, that's such
Speaker 1: a weird number of days. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a good question question I don't have answer.
Speaker 1: Two weeks with an extra weekend okay, started last week.
Speaker 1: Now week's really work.
Speaker 2: Right, but it'll be a set you oh, Saturday to
Speaker 2: a Sunday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two weeks, two weeks. This is the one thing
Speaker 1: he got right, I guess. Anyway, the perception that Trump
Speaker 1: turned America's two hundred and fiftieth into a partisan event
Speaker 1: caused all the state fair musical acts to drop out,
Speaker 1: with the exception of Floorida and Vanilla Ice. Ten states
Speaker 1: have also decided not to participate, and the opening weekend
Speaker 1: was plagued by extreme heat, rain, power outages, and sparse crowds.
Speaker 1: You never know this if you listen to Maga World,
Speaker 1: where everyone thinks it's going great. Happy early Birthday, America.
Speaker 3: We're celebrating already.
Speaker 1: Hit the great.
Speaker 3: American state Fair.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: We've got thousands of people celebrating this birthday with us.
Speaker 4: You ever, in your wildest dreams think you may be
Speaker 4: doing your Sunday show from a state fair on the
Speaker 4: National Mall.
Speaker 3: How great is that?
Speaker 1: It's really it's really something and the weather not the
Speaker 1: best today, but people are still coming out to help
Speaker 1: me out. I want to be a part of this. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a great day for Larry good afternoon. Perhaps now
Speaker 1: the closing bell is here. We're gonna get more people.
Speaker 1: That work is done. You mentioned the latest with the ron.
Speaker 5: If you look behind us, you see, okay, there are
Speaker 5: a couple of hundred people back there. But the truth
Speaker 5: is when you make your way over here and you're
Speaker 5: in this lot, you're in a wash of people.
Speaker 3: There's tons of people here.
Speaker 2: It's a huge space and it's just gonna get more
Speaker 2: and more.
Speaker 1: God as the week goes on.
Speaker 6: Take yo, I think we have to give a big
Speaker 6: rod of applause for our military band in singers, way
Speaker 6: better than those lip tards that canceled on us.
Speaker 1: It's Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy talking about the lib tards.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think? Happy to fiftieth? Thanks? How
Speaker 1: are you feeling about the festivities? Trump has organized the
Speaker 1: Freedom two fifty America two fifty split in the ten
Speaker 1: states that aren't participating.
Speaker 7: I thought the performance by Manny was really good. Do
Speaker 7: you guys catch that one? He didn't see Maga Manny
Speaker 7: the live streamer who jerked off in front of the acrobat.
Speaker 1: True forgot about the guy, forgot about the guy in
Speaker 1: the Uncle Sam CAUs.
Speaker 7: Fifty four year old right wing Maga streamer did not
Speaker 7: think fifty four was the number arrested. Younger arrested by
Speaker 7: park police for masturbating in front of an acrobat troop
Speaker 7: called the Cirque Mechanics.
Speaker 1: Can you blame him?
Speaker 7: According to The Independent, fairly rearely, he was vaping recording
Speaker 7: and then had a hand through the pocket of the overall.
Speaker 1: So he's holding the face and.
Speaker 7: I was going to say how many and then another
Speaker 7: witness said he came back for round two later, and that's.
Speaker 1: What I think. The park police got him. Not bad
Speaker 1: for fifty four. That's a good point. Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: that it did look it did look sparse. But now
Speaker 1: that the closing bells.
Speaker 2: The traders leaving the floor of the Stock Exchange where
Speaker 2: in DC gonna run up to go check out the
Speaker 2: latest quilting, I suppose.
Speaker 1: Also, there's just something about.
Speaker 2: All the like the thing that I was thinking about
Speaker 2: is watching this all over the weekend, is just how
Speaker 2: much like the whole Maga world is online. It just
Speaker 2: exists online. It's a bunch of people complaining online, the
Speaker 2: caricatures of the cities that are going to hell. Online,
Speaker 2: just people talking to each other about how America's going
Speaker 2: down the tubes on the Internet and on Fox News.
Speaker 1: But like Larry.
Speaker 2: Kudlow's like, oh, it looks like when's last time Larry
Speaker 2: Cudlow at a fucking corn dog? When's the less time
Speaker 2: he walked around to state fair? Like none of these
Speaker 2: people look like they're at home in a kind of
Speaker 2: outdoor event with their fellows sit.
Speaker 7: It's so funny that Fox News State TV decided to
Speaker 7: go all in on this event, and the net effect
Speaker 7: is they have to do like sweltering live shots outdoor
Speaker 7: in front of no one.
Speaker 1: It's just green fields and then Manny jerking off. I
Speaker 1: also loved that the comment like did you ever think
Speaker 1: you'd be doing your live shot from a state fair? Hypothetical?
Speaker 1: It's but that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's like these are just people that seem like kind
Speaker 2: of unfamiliar with the country on some level.
Speaker 1: Like state fairs are great. They're all over the country.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of different most states, it turns out,
Speaker 2: yeah and there and you can go and there's like
Speaker 2: actually the news were often broadcast from them and tell
Speaker 2: you about the latest deep fried foods you can get,
Speaker 2: Like that was the vibe you could have had if
Speaker 2: this weren't taken over by Trump like he took. He
Speaker 2: took something that was bipartisan and a decade in the making.
Speaker 2: You can actually go online and read what the original
Speaker 2: plan is. I don't think it would have you know,
Speaker 2: what is going to change the country or anything, but
Speaker 2: it would have been nice. There was like a lot
Speaker 2: of events happening all across the country. There would have
Speaker 2: been kind of like a kind of a national event
Speaker 2: for craft makers. It would have been big concerts by
Speaker 2: famous people. There's a lot of money set aside. Trump
Speaker 2: took that money, gave it to Freedom two fifty, turned
Speaker 2: it into a partisan boondoggle, and now nobody's showing.
Speaker 1: Up and for even though it's a five oh one
Speaker 1: c three. Apparently donors who donate a million dollars in
Speaker 1: more can secure an invitation to a private reception hosted
Speaker 1: by Trump himself. There's not a lot of transparency on
Speaker 1: the finances of Freedom two fifty.
Speaker 2: And even though they've taken most of the money that
Speaker 2: was supposed to go to America from tax.
Speaker 1: Bearers, and we do have some corporate sponsors as well.
Speaker 1: Of course, your Northrop Grummans, your United Health Groups or
Speaker 1: SpaceX's you.
Speaker 7: See the little army or robot dog kind of marching
Speaker 7: around like filming people and performing.
Speaker 1: It's very dystopian there.
Speaker 2: I was the ferris wheel, I was. I read Devil
Speaker 2: in the White City. Recently, I'm an Eric Larsen kick,
Speaker 2: which is about the World's Fair in Chicago in eighteen
Speaker 2: ninety three, I believe, And that was when the first
Speaker 2: farrest wheel was built. And it was this marvel because
Speaker 2: they were trying to rival the Eiffel Tower, and all
Speaker 2: the Europeans are like, oh, those Americans will never be
Speaker 2: able to build a thing. And then we built a
Speaker 2: ferris wheel that was basically a steel tower that moved.
Speaker 2: It was amazing, like America is building an Eiffel Tower,
Speaker 2: basically the size of the Eiffel Tower. And then you
Speaker 2: would get on it and you would rotate. Freak people
Speaker 2: to fuck out, and people like tried to jump off it.
Speaker 2: They were freaking out because like we were saying, you
Speaker 2: know what, each shiit, Europe, We're gonna make something awesome.
Speaker 2: We're gonna build skyscraper. Is gonna be a cool country,
Speaker 2: and wait till you see what America is gonna do.
Speaker 2: And now here we are one hundred and thirty years later,
Speaker 2: we got this jag Off, you know, doing his version
Speaker 2: of a great American state fair quite literally jah and
Speaker 2: with jags with jagofs despair and you see.
Speaker 7: The ferris wheel was broken for hours because of generator
Speaker 7: issues and also there were power outages that spoiled like
Speaker 7: all the food and melted all the ice cream. On
Speaker 7: the first day and last minute, Vanilla Ice canceled because
Speaker 7: it did inclement weather, even though he had previously said
Speaker 7: rain or shine he was going to be there.
Speaker 1: Did you read the profile camp That doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: the Vanilla Ice ig know? Did you read his profile
Speaker 1: in The Atlantic? Fascinating?
Speaker 7: He claims to have performed for the Taliban. Just one
Speaker 7: little tidbit for to.
Speaker 1: What your beak go read the rest here When he
Speaker 1: said that I believe he said that this is a
Speaker 1: government where he feels at home. Then yeah, that it's
Speaker 1: kind of rulers.
Speaker 2: That he hadn't taken under pressure. Wasn't that he had claimed,
Speaker 2: like the Vanilla Ice thing, that he hadn't taken under pressure.
Speaker 7: There was a great clip where he's like, no, that
Speaker 7: one's doom, doom, doom to do doom, doom, and mine
Speaker 7: is doom doom, doom to do doom doom. That's the
Speaker 7: same thing, the same thing. It's also funny some of
Speaker 7: them mailed it in, like Connecticut Maine, I think shared
Speaker 7: a space, put up four chairs, and then Maine just
Speaker 7: had lobster facts on the wall and they're like booth
Speaker 7: and a tote cop.
Speaker 1: State bird.
Speaker 2: I believe, Yeah, I guess that.
Speaker 7: I mean the North Carolina booth had a Confederate flag up,
Speaker 7: so yeah, you're not far from.
Speaker 2: Him because that was because that was take because North
Speaker 2: Carolina didn't do it, so like a private somehow someone
Speaker 2: others did it, even though, by the way, that was
Speaker 2: never any That flag was not the North Carolina flag,
Speaker 2: not associated with the state of North Carolina, so they
Speaker 2: just wanted to throw one up there.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of a bummer, like he said, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not the biggest deal of anything. But the
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty anniversary could have been a moment where,
Speaker 1: you know, a president decided to try to at least
Speaker 1: try to bring the country together, or didn't try to
Speaker 1: bring the country together, but at least off entertainment that
Speaker 1: anyone could welcome. Yeah, anyone could feel welcome, you know, participating.
Speaker 1: He could have just done nothing.
Speaker 2: He could have just let the group America two fifty
Speaker 2: that existed, had bipartisan membership, had a lot of his
Speaker 2: allies on it.
Speaker 1: Come out to make a little speech on the fourth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been offensive to us. He would
Speaker 2: have come out there and said something terrible, but whatever.
Speaker 2: He could have just let it happen, but instead he
Speaker 2: got his his his mits on it.
Speaker 1: I ruined it, I will say NBC. And then the
Speaker 1: New Republic went out and interviewed a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: and you know, even people that didn't like Trump were like,
Speaker 1: it's fine, this is great, this is cool, and I
Speaker 1: do like the one attendee named Scott said to the
Speaker 1: New Republic, I like this. I don't really take Trump
Speaker 1: into consideration. He's going to be gone in three years,
Speaker 1: dead in ten. He's not going to take away my
Speaker 1: joy of this event. He's the president, but he's not God,
Speaker 1: even though he thinks he is. I wasn't going to
Speaker 1: come to this, but then I thought, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to let him take it away. I like,
Speaker 1: good for you, Scott, I like that. That is the
Speaker 1: attitude I want to hear from all the libste don't
Speaker 1: let him take it away.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well yeah, you know, to take and away. The
Speaker 7: fireworks show in DC doesn't start until eleven pm Eastern.
Speaker 2: Because he has to give a long speech, right, that's
Speaker 2: what they're.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's weather too, that's so late. It's so late
Speaker 1: for fireworks. Weep, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: No, the sun goes down. You look up when sunset
Speaker 2: is whenever that is, I want five minutes later.
Speaker 1: Explosions in the stock kids when I was a kid
Speaker 1: used to yeah, we used to. Our town was like
Speaker 1: nine pm. Yeah, nine, but that's eleven is a wild
Speaker 1: starts masters as a late sunset. That makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. Oh there we go.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, I'm getting on my my my high horse.
Speaker 1: So one DC event that will undoubtedly be packed crooked
Speaker 1: kind of November, and it's fine to crank went out
Speaker 1: in front of the main stage. There, Yes, it's fact
Speaker 1: because then Tommy feel like, you know, yeah, he's got
Speaker 1: you back. Yeah, you know what I mean, He's not
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Speaker 1: dot com slash friends. So with his fair getting rained
Speaker 1: out on Sunday, Trump spent the morning moticating around the Capitol.
Speaker 1: He's busy rebuilding as a monument to himself. He toured
Speaker 1: the East Potomac golf Links, and we'll start renovations on
Speaker 1: that federally owned public course September first, despite a federal
Speaker 1: judge threatening quote serious consequences if he moves ahead without approval,
Speaker 1: which he seems to be doing. The President is also
Speaker 1: planning to redesign Lafayette Park, which is the one right
Speaker 1: in front of the White House, so that it contains
Speaker 1: exactly forty seven maple trees in honor of Trump. That's
Speaker 1: according to the Washington Post. If you're in town visiting
Speaker 1: and hop on over to the Washington Passport Agency, you
Speaker 1: might be able to pick up a limited edition US
Speaker 1: passport featuring a photo of Trump at the Resolute Desk
Speaker 1: in front of the Declaration of Independence, which Trump described
Speaker 1: as saying, quote, welcome, but be good. Even though those
Speaker 1: words don't actually appear on the passport or make any sense. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's not what passports are for. I did when I
Speaker 1: saw this.
Speaker 2: He because he said this passport says this, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people are like, but that's not what passports
Speaker 2: are for. You're a citizen. It's not a welcoming document.
Speaker 2: You can only get it here.
Speaker 1: It's to leave. It's not a green car. Right to leave,
Speaker 1: they come back. I think he's a little confused.
Speaker 2: But I think he was describing his own portrait in
Speaker 2: a way. I think he was his way of saying,
Speaker 2: because my angry face here saying welcome, but be good. Well,
Speaker 2: because we could take your pap he was, it's a
Speaker 2: citizenship thing. We could take your citizenship.
Speaker 1: Dick anyway, interpretation limited edition Act now while supplies last
Speaker 1: Closer to home, The Atlantic's Michael Cher found out that
Speaker 1: the new White House colonnade walkway made of quote, polished
Speaker 1: African granite carved in Italy. The Trump said he paid
Speaker 1: for himself, was actually paid for by US about six
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety thousand dollars charged to the taxpayers. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know that had happened. I didn't either replaced
Speaker 1: there's apparently another couple hundred thousand dollars spent on the
Speaker 1: wall next to the colonnade, because remember he put up
Speaker 1: the pictures, all the pictures, and you had to like
Speaker 1: do something to the wall. I don't know why it
Speaker 1: cost that much money, but to do something to the
Speaker 1: wall in order to put up all those pictures, and
Speaker 1: so that costs money as well. Have you guys said
Speaker 1: thank you yet? Have you even said thank you?
Speaker 2: Just a math scores in the schools are continuing to slide.
Speaker 2: It's kind of flag some problems that are getting worse. Well,
Speaker 2: he's been president.
Speaker 1: I just I think that the.
Speaker 7: Lafayette Park forty seven tree tribute to mand is actually
Speaker 7: quite instructive because for those who've never been to Washington,
Speaker 7: DC or gone to Lafayette Park, it is nothing. I
Speaker 7: can't I can't overstate how underwhelming and shitty of a
Speaker 7: little park it is. I've been through it a thousand times.
Speaker 7: I'm sure you guys have too, because like you get
Speaker 7: off the bus or you get off the metro, you
Speaker 7: walk a block and you walk through it to get
Speaker 7: to the White House, and.
Speaker 1: It's like usually there's just a lot of squirrels.
Speaker 7: And like a couple crazy people, and then that one
Speaker 7: protest that's been there for like thirty years, the anti
Speaker 7: war protest. But the fact that like he needs that
Speaker 7: to be a tribute to himself means that like, no
Speaker 7: narcissistic stone will go unturned by this man.
Speaker 1: It's also no one knows if he wants to add
Speaker 1: trees or subtract trees, because no one knows how many
Speaker 1: trees there are in lafay At Park because who would
Speaker 1: count such a thing. It's just a park with a
Speaker 1: bunch of trees. And now we're going to go figure
Speaker 1: out whether we have to add more trees or maple.
Speaker 1: That's his favorite. Oh yeah, it's got to go with
Speaker 1: his favorite. Everything's everything's about him, his favorite trees, his favorite,
Speaker 1: his picture everywhere.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, though, you know, at this point they
Speaker 2: are great. I want him in as many fucking tree
Speaker 2: meetings and arc meetings and pool meetings as possible. He
Speaker 2: is not busy enough if he wants to plant a
Speaker 2: couple of trees, We're just three chop trees away from
Speaker 2: being the Obama Lafay Park tribute. So whatever, have at it, park,
Speaker 2: plant your fucking trees. Fucking asshole, but the absurd you imagine.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine if if in the last year of
Speaker 2: his administration, Joe Biden was wandering around the various grounds
Speaker 2: talking about the renovations he was going to be doing,
Speaker 2: what kind of reaction you would be hearing right now
Speaker 2: from from from the right of you've been.
Speaker 1: Hearing it from us. You'll be here from us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh boy, all right, plant away, buddy, plant away, yea.
Speaker 1: Enjoy those trees. Let's get to some more consequential news.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court handed down a few big decisions on
Speaker 1: Monday as it closes out its term. The Court declined
Speaker 1: to throw out the twenty twenty three jury verdict finding
Speaker 1: Trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming Egene Carroll, meaning
Speaker 1: he has to pay her that five million dollars in
Speaker 1: a six' three ruling where three conservatives joined the. Liberals
Speaker 1: The court also held The Fourth amendment covers your cell
Speaker 1: phone location history even when you've agreed that a third
Speaker 1: party Like google Or apple can record, it meaning police
Speaker 1: now need a specific warrant to get, it rather than
Speaker 1: a so called geofence warrant that sweeps up the movements
Speaker 1: of every phone in a particular, Area so that seems.
Speaker 1: Good both of those seem, good, Right we have some
Speaker 1: other ones to get, through but we'd start With Egene
Speaker 1: carroll and the and the. Geofencing, yeah did you Have vinzy?
Speaker 1: One is just.
Speaker 2: Interesting it's also interesting that it's like it's a non
Speaker 2: ideological it has a kind of a ideologically mixed, ruling
Speaker 2: and part BECAUSE i do think it's like a novel.
Speaker 2: Question and if we are going to have kind of
Speaker 2: allowing these companies to track us, digitally including in ways
Speaker 2: that in a previous era would have been only private,
Speaker 2: information then it's still being Like google has already changed
Speaker 2: their policy so your location data is stored on your.
Speaker 2: Phone they did that to avoid this. Issue but if
Speaker 2: my phone knows WHERE i am at all, TIMES i
Speaker 2: view that information as both like my private information and
Speaker 2: useful to. Me whether or not it is stored directly
Speaker 2: on my phone or stored at a, server it remains
Speaker 2: my private information in the same way that IF i
Speaker 2: had written it all down and put it in my
Speaker 2: safe deposit, box it had remain private. Information AND i
Speaker 2: think the more that when they're thinking about how to
Speaker 2: translate our principles into a digital, world the, more they're
Speaker 2: respecting how we actually use things and how what privacy really,
Speaker 2: means not sort of the technical definition that's sort of
Speaker 2: blown up by how interconnected and cloud based so much
Speaker 2: of our lives.
Speaker 1: Are the. Better, yeah it's definitely it's a limited but it's.
Speaker 1: Good it's a win and a good day for.
Speaker 7: PRIVACY i, mean like the government was trying to argue
Speaker 7: that like just demanding to the little tiny taste of
Speaker 7: your location, history uh for a discreete period of, time
Speaker 7: was not a, search which is just. Nonsense AND i
Speaker 7: think the court saw through that because you can learn
Speaker 7: a ton from everyone's location.
Speaker 1: History soda Moy or laid that.
Speaker 7: OUT i think she talked about how you can uh
Speaker 7: see that someone went to the, psychiatrist the plastic, search
Speaker 7: and the abortion, clinic THE aids treatment, center of the strip.
Speaker 7: Club she goes on and on and, on and Then
Speaker 7: kagan argued went.
Speaker 1: To a concert to jack? Up were you at The
Speaker 1: Great american geofens of that?
Speaker 7: Place and Then kagan argued that tracking location data isn't really.
Speaker 7: Optional it's like the price we all pay to use
Speaker 7: a cell. Phone so it was nice to see them
Speaker 7: have a little techno fluency and understand how this stuff actually.
Speaker 1: Works, Gorsic, Cavanaugh roberts sided with the. Liberals, interesting very interesting. Group,
Speaker 1: corsic gorsicch the other. End we'll get to the other.
Speaker 2: Ones but the courses is always is an Interesting he's
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Speaker 1: One oni tribal rights in, Particular trump said that he
Speaker 1: would fight back on The Egen carol thing is powerfully and.
Speaker 1: Strongly it's, like, no you. Won't he already transferred five
Speaker 1: point five million dollars to a court controlled account back
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. Three so she's getting. Paid that's. Happened
Speaker 1: that's the end of the road For trump on that.
Speaker 1: ONE i can't believe that's the.
Speaker 2: LIKE i, Know i'm glad she's getting her cash, money but,
Speaker 2: man there were so many avenues For trump to face
Speaker 2: some kind of. Accountability and him losing five million While
Speaker 2: i'm glad goes To Egene carroll is not high on
Speaker 2: the list of ways in which he could have faced.
Speaker 1: Consequences but there's still an eighty three million dollar verdict
Speaker 1: that he's appealing as. Well that's one. Deal On kasaks
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Speaker 1: big decisions on the president's ability to fire people at
Speaker 1: independent federal. Agencies the results were. Split in a six
Speaker 1: to three, decision the conservative majority reversed the court's long
Speaker 1: standing precedent and said That trump can fire people LIKE
Speaker 1: Fdc Commissioner Rebecca, slaughter who brought the case without any specific.
Speaker 1: Reason but in a five to four, decision the court
Speaker 1: decided That Fed Governor Lisa, cook Whom trump And Bill
Speaker 1: pulti have accused of mortgage, fraud can stay on the
Speaker 1: job while litigation. Continues in a post on Truth Social
Speaker 1: trump said The slaughter ruling quote greatly increases presidential power
Speaker 1: at a time when it is most. Needed he is
Speaker 1: right about the first. Part how do you guys square
Speaker 1: what the court said about The cook firing versus what
Speaker 1: it's saying about all the.
Speaker 7: Others, well, so what the court says is THE ftc
Speaker 7: is an entity that exercises executive. Power THE fed is
Speaker 7: different because it's supposed to be a non political entity
Speaker 7: that is insulated from presidential. Pressure and they argue that
Speaker 7: THE fed has to be independent because even the appearance
Speaker 7: of political pressure could destroy the faith in THE us. Economy,
Speaker 7: NOW i think THE ftc case is very. Bad they
Speaker 7: throughout ninety one years of precedent and basically THE ftc
Speaker 7: the implications go well beyond THE. Ftc The president can
Speaker 7: now fire leaders at will from THE, sec The Consumer
Speaker 7: Product Safety, commission The Equal Employment Opportunity, commission The National
Speaker 7: Labor Relations.
Speaker 1: Board the list goes on basically everywhere about THE.
Speaker 7: Fed everywhere with THE, fed and he can sort of
Speaker 7: paralyze those entities by making them not have enough.
Speaker 1: Members they don't have a, quorum so they can't even.
Speaker 1: Meet so it's quite.
Speaker 7: Bad THE fed is different because monetary policy has to
Speaker 7: be free from political manipulation and perceived. Meddling but even
Speaker 7: in this, case like ominously For, cook the court said
Speaker 7: That trump could try to fire her, again they just.
Speaker 7: Didn't they, said he didn't go through the, process, right
Speaker 7: he didn't tell her why she was being fired and
Speaker 7: given her a chance to robut the.
Speaker 1: Charges and, yes they said. THAT i Think roberts sort
Speaker 1: of cordoning off THE fed as a special case means
Speaker 1: that the ruling was, narrow and that, Said, okay they
Speaker 1: got the pros 's. Wrong and so while it's still,
Speaker 1: litigating she can be on the, job but they still
Speaker 1: have to prove that she did something. Wrong she can
Speaker 1: be fired for cause exactly.
Speaker 7: Right under The Federal Reserve, act The president can only
Speaker 7: move A fed governor if they are fired for.
Speaker 1: Cause and he didn't meet that standard by presenting any. Evidence,
Speaker 1: Right so if she doesn't get if her case goes,
Speaker 1: away then like then there's no, cause, Right but it
Speaker 1: won't go.
Speaker 2: Away it's, ironically it just puts more pressure on the
Speaker 2: administration to politically Prosecute Lisa cook until they can claim
Speaker 2: that she can be fired for.
Speaker 1: Cause that what will? Happen they leave the door open to.
Speaker 2: Kind of evaluating whether or not they've met some threshold for,
Speaker 2: cause whatever that would. Mean it's interesting kind of reading
Speaker 2: that going back and forth between the ruling and the,
Speaker 2: descent because they're all so like mad at each, other
Speaker 2: WHICH i think is is very.
Speaker 1: Funny but then you Read. Gorsa she wrote this like
Speaker 1: really interesting concurring opinion about.
Speaker 2: It AND i see a lot of people today Saying democrats, Win,
Speaker 2: oh we'll just put our people in charge and now
Speaker 2: will have that. Power but as like The Sodama rare
Speaker 2: notes in the, Dissent congress creates THE. Ftc the court
Speaker 2: says that these people can be insulated from being fired
Speaker 2: by the, president and then they give all these independent,
Speaker 2: agencies not just executive, authority, right but legislative authority and judicial.
Speaker 2: Authority So congress creates these independent, agencies and they're kind
Speaker 2: of quasi, legislative. Right they can write rules and regulate
Speaker 2: and do things That congress could. Do they also do
Speaker 2: things an executive could. Do and the majority decided that
Speaker 2: given that kind of mix between the, authorities they're going
Speaker 2: to give all the power to the. President, Right so
Speaker 2: the president is now taking all the legislative authorities that
Speaker 2: were granted all the judicial authorities that were granted and,
Speaker 2: oh one Of democrat wins will have the same. Authority
Speaker 2: but Then gorses comes back and says, no because we're
Speaker 2: going to look at this again in the.
Speaker 1: Future so in deciding.
Speaker 2: Whether or not to allow there to be an independent
Speaker 2: agency or, not the court said, no we'd rather make
Speaker 2: the president like a supreme authority over all these legislative.
Speaker 2: Functions but if A democrat becomes, president we'll just come
Speaker 2: back and, say, no one has this, authority will strike.
Speaker 1: A bunch of this. Down that's that's not what the majority. Opinions, no,
Speaker 1: no but that's What gorsic is saying happens, next and
Speaker 1: there is going To but that is what's. Happen it
Speaker 1: is Because robert's, opinion roberts argument is it's all unitary executive,
Speaker 1: theory and they have been. So roberts, says the president
Speaker 1: may remove his. Subordinates it will because subordinates who exercise
Speaker 1: the president's power must be accountable to him and he
Speaker 1: to the. People and that's where it.
Speaker 2: Ends but this is the problem because it's not just
Speaker 2: the president's, power it's congressional. Power the reason there was
Speaker 2: a balance and the reason it makes, Sense AND i
Speaker 2: think this is Why sodamior And kagan are so pissed
Speaker 2: about it is you're not just giving the president his executive.
Speaker 2: Authority you are stealing power From congress Because congress delegated
Speaker 2: some of ITS.
Speaker 1: I agree with that for. Sure i'm just SAYING i
Speaker 1: Think roberts And, kavanaugh the unitary executive, people, yes would
Speaker 1: be very comfortable being consistent with The democratic president on
Speaker 1: this kind of, stuff which they have shown.
Speaker 2: Before except this wouldn't be about where the authority should.
Speaker 2: Rest this would be about saying that NOW i think it's.
Speaker 1: Bad no matter. WHAT i don't think democratic presidents Or
Speaker 1: republican president should have.
Speaker 2: See but you come back in and then you, say,
Speaker 2: actually you can't do this because this whole agency shouldn't
Speaker 2: have been allowed to do this in the first. Place
Speaker 2: so now we're Not we're no longer going to say
Speaker 2: you still are in charge of this whole, agency but
Speaker 2: we are now going to restrict with this agency allow the.
Speaker 7: CHEVRON i Think Leah lilt been in a conversation With
Speaker 7: dan said she was concerned about. It kind hypothetically you're
Speaker 7: talking about there love. IT i, mean just like one
Speaker 7: thing that worries. Me so you read this comment From Bill,
Speaker 7: poulty who, tweeted As i've repeatedly, SAID i Believe Lisa
Speaker 7: cook will be indicted for mortgage. Fraud no, shit this
Speaker 7: is a case he cooked up as THE Us director
Speaker 7: Of Federal. Housing he is now tweeting this attack on
Speaker 7: her from his new job as the Temporary director Of National.
Speaker 1: Intelligence that is. CHILLING i, mean, yeah the whole. THING i,
Speaker 1: mean it's it's nice For Lisa cook AND i, actually
Speaker 1: you know what we're talking about is who knows what will?
Speaker 1: Happen right if this comes up. AGAIN i think that
Speaker 1: the upshot of this whole thing is there are no
Speaker 1: more independent ages except for THE, fed the one, potentially
Speaker 1: and so that means That, Justice, Department, intelligence all the
Speaker 1: rest of, them everything That trump has done over the
Speaker 1: last four years now gets to happen, Again like this is,
Speaker 1: This this is just this is what The Supreme as
Speaker 1: long as This Supreme court majority is in, place they
Speaker 1: believe that that no one has to be independent except
Speaker 1: for THE.
Speaker 2: Fed, well and the distinction they're breaking down right like
Speaker 2: it was always the, case there were a bunch of
Speaker 2: executive agencies that The president was totally in charge Of
Speaker 2: what they're saying is that these independent agencies are no longer,
Speaker 2: independent even though those agencies were made incredibly powerful By
Speaker 2: congress in ways that assumed that the president would be
Speaker 2: so wouldn't be solely in charge of, them and so
Speaker 2: like The that to me is where the kind of, Like, yes,
Speaker 2: NOW ftc looks a lot like The department Of, justice
Speaker 2: except THE ftc can do more than what The department
Speaker 2: Of justice.
Speaker 1: Could, meanwhile in a very close five to four decision
Speaker 1: Where John robertson And Amy Cony barrett sided with The,
Speaker 1: liberals The Supreme court ruled in favor of A mississippi
Speaker 1: law allowing the state to count mail in ballots that
Speaker 1: are postmarked by election day but arrive. After the decision
Speaker 1: could preempt similar legal challenges By republicans and at least
Speaker 1: fourteen other states the continue counting ballots that arrive after election.
Speaker 1: Day trump wind about the decision and said it proves
Speaker 1: the need For Senate republicans to pass His Save, act
Speaker 1: name dropping the five holdouts on truth Social how meaningful
Speaker 1: or not do you guys think this is in the
Speaker 1: context of the Larger trump assault on voting?
Speaker 7: RIGHTS i, MEAN i think it allows like thirty states
Speaker 7: to keep their policies in place in terms of how
Speaker 7: they count mail in. Ballots so that's pretty. Important i'm
Speaker 7: sure the ongoing assault on voting rights will. CONTINUE i,
Speaker 7: mean it was a five four. Decision it Was TRUMP'S
Speaker 7: doj and THE rnc trying to strike down A mississippi
Speaker 7: law allowing ballots to be.
Speaker 1: Counted i'm glad to see they made this.
Speaker 7: Decision it just it feels just like part of a
Speaker 7: broader process of just constantly chipping. Away and maybe this
Speaker 7: chip didn't come, undone but there will be many more.
Speaker 1: Attempts. Yeah So dan AND i talked last episode about
Speaker 1: How trump's trying to get The Save act passed by
Speaker 1: refusing to sign the by Partisan housing bill until it
Speaker 1: Is On, Monday Mike johnson Sent trump The housing bill,
Speaker 1: anyway which means that it will become law in ten
Speaker 1: days Unless trump signs it sooner or vetos. It the
Speaker 1: bill passed so overwhelmingly The congress could override A trump,
Speaker 1: veto Though House republicans are now unclear if they'll have the.
Speaker 1: Votes just listen to What Florida Representative Randy fine said
Speaker 1: On monday Morning.
Speaker 3: My issue was If Elizabeth warren thinks a bill is,
Speaker 3: great then it probably.
Speaker 1: Isn't and that's sort of HOW i.
Speaker 3: Look but the enthusiasm with Which democrats had for this
Speaker 3: bill got me. Spooked AND i didn't come To washington
Speaker 3: to work With. DEMOCRATS i came To washington to beat.
Speaker 1: Them here's a message for. You uh did you read
Speaker 1: the bill before you voted for? Her probably. Not and
Speaker 1: here's What trump said On monday when asked whether he'll
Speaker 1: sign the. Bill what are your plans for the housing
Speaker 1: bill as the?
Speaker 7: PRESIDENT i don't.
Speaker 4: KNOW i think it is so unimportant by compared to,
Speaker 4: by compared to The Save American WHEN i look at that,
Speaker 4: bill it's a. Bill but WHEN i look at The
Speaker 4: save and it's the Best.
Speaker 8: Saving america to, me compared to The Save America, act
Speaker 8: just about everything is a big.
Speaker 5: Yawn.
Speaker 1: Wow he's really part of The Iran. War bart Of
Speaker 1: housing just wants to. Recollections how badly do you guys
Speaker 1: Think trump And republicans have fucked up the politics of this?
Speaker 1: Bill and what do you guys think of the final?
Speaker 7: PRODUCT i, mean the goal is to boost housing supply and.
Speaker 7: Affordability they're going to like streamline environmental reviews and encourage.
Speaker 1: Development i'm not an expert on this.
Speaker 7: Stuff it passed with eighty five votes in The senate
Speaker 7: and three hundred and fifty eight votes in The. House
Speaker 7: it's like overwhelming bipartisan. SUPPORT i will leave it to
Speaker 7: smarter people to see if it will really solve the.
Speaker 7: Job but, like politically, speaking this is a very important
Speaker 7: issue to The american, People like voters overwhelmingly think housing
Speaker 7: costs are really. Important huge majorities Want congress to do
Speaker 7: something about. It the underlying components of the, bill when
Speaker 7: you peel them out and pull, them are very popular
Speaker 7: for young people in. Particular they feel like they're never
Speaker 7: going to be able to afford a, home like sixty
Speaker 7: seventy percent of. Majorities and so to say that that's
Speaker 7: a big yawn when it could have been your like
Speaker 7: crowning legislative accomplishment on housing as opposed to The Save,
Speaker 7: act which is a thing that people are like fifty
Speaker 7: two percent think it's maybe a good idea because there's
Speaker 7: by the, way there's just not a huge issue in
Speaker 7: this country of undocumented non citizens registering to vote or
Speaker 7: whatever the hell he's talking. About so not going to.
Speaker 7: Pass it's not going to. Pass want that's what the
Speaker 7: that's the whole that's the whole, thing so.
Speaker 1: Stupid, yeah there's no leverage.
Speaker 2: Here it's fight because part of, it right is, like
Speaker 2: this is a housing bill that's about addressing the long
Speaker 2: term causes of a lack of housing stock and the
Speaker 2: rising price of. Housing there's no, like, yeah he's being clean.
Speaker 1: Fixed he does know that no one's going to feel
Speaker 1: the effects of the housing for a year for. Years,
Speaker 1: yeah and then if it's a good, build you can sell,
Speaker 1: it right you, Can, yeah you can try to buy an. Administration,
Speaker 1: yeah There Recovery act is divided into three, parts, Right,
Speaker 1: yeah you can try to say it's a good.
Speaker 2: Thing but, yeah, uh there was a there was a
Speaker 2: little the commini fight as part of this bill for
Speaker 2: a for the details are, complicated but basically to try
Speaker 2: to prevent institutional investors from sitting on houses that a
Speaker 2: lot of experts thought would have kind of a counter
Speaker 2: railing effect to what the bill was going to.
Speaker 1: Do it might actually cause housing prices to go.
Speaker 2: Up Senator Brian shott's friend of the, show was accused
Speaker 2: of me a corporate stooge for pointing this, out including
Speaker 2: by a lot of, progressives and they did manage to
Speaker 2: kind of change that rule in such a way that
Speaker 2: it's no longer going to have that effect in that
Speaker 2: one the day, too which WAS i think a good
Speaker 2: victory for the kind of mb abundance people that were
Speaker 2: arguing that he wasn't being a corporate. Stooge he was
Speaker 2: just talking about basic economics and what the impact would.
Speaker 2: Be but like this was a bipartisan. Bill Elizabeth warren
Speaker 2: hard for this. BILL a ton Of republicans voted for this.
Speaker 2: Bill it's a rare kind of policy making, victory like
Speaker 2: from another. Era and of course right on the one yard,
Speaker 2: line they were literally putting up the podium and people
Speaker 2: will speaking with. Them we were speaking at the. Podium
Speaker 2: the event was basically already tweeting out how excited they. Were, well,
Speaker 2: Yeah Caroline levitt posted about how the most, important one
Speaker 2: of the most important bills ever something to that, effect
Speaker 2: and he just rips the rug out right from under
Speaker 2: all of, them and now they are afraid to support
Speaker 2: it even though it has a veto proof majority because
Speaker 2: the deer leader says he would rather rig.
Speaker 1: ELECTIONS i haven't seen these stories, yet But i'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to the anonymous Frontline republicans and races who were
Speaker 1: like getting ads ready to tee up the housing bill
Speaker 1: as part of how they were going to tackle the
Speaker 1: issue of affordability and work with the other party to
Speaker 1: show that they're bipartisan because they're in a district that you,
Speaker 1: Know Kamala harris won or that's you Know trumpe they
Speaker 1: won by a Couple just hear what they think about.
Speaker 7: This another, RESPONSE ads like big, Yawn, yes as the, President,
Speaker 7: okay so that'll be.
Speaker 2: Fun so if he, doesn't if he refuses to sign
Speaker 2: it And congress doesn't, adjourn it'll become. Law but if
Speaker 2: they don't want to deal with, it they could Adjourn
Speaker 2: congress and let the thing. Die is that basically the
Speaker 2: gist of it's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: In ten, days it becomes one unless he vetos. It if,
Speaker 1: okay what's the how would? He, YEAH i, DON'T i
Speaker 1: don't know the cons that's just the THAT'S i. DON'T
Speaker 1: i don't. Know All i've seen is the ten days
Speaker 1: it becomes long ten days or he vetos, it you,
Speaker 1: know listening to the whole thing, there he's gonna let
Speaker 1: it become. Law, YEAH i don't think a baby about
Speaker 1: it unless now someone could who, knows, right he changed
Speaker 1: his mind on a, dime so some something could piss
Speaker 1: him off between now and when he decided to sign.
Speaker 1: It but there he sounded, like, Fuck i'm annoyed THAT
Speaker 1: i have to do, this BUT i threw a tantrum
Speaker 1: and Now i'm just gonna let this bill become low
Speaker 1: But i'm not going to be happy about.
Speaker 7: It that's sort of WHAT i, got just cutting off
Speaker 7: his nose despite his, face someone gave him really dumb
Speaker 7: last minute advice about how to use this bill for
Speaker 7: leverage to get the same act.
Speaker 1: Pack it was probably Probably Bill poult exactly What i'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Say the mortgage, yeah because he passion sign mortgage mortgage
Speaker 1: using and Dick.
Speaker 2: Yeah and he's, also by the, way he he did
Speaker 2: promise not to sign any new legislation until The Save
Speaker 2: act was. Passed he just instantly wrote that, promise so
Speaker 2: in a, way he's actually returning to what he had
Speaker 2: always said he was going to. Do Promise, cat he's
Speaker 2: a Promise.
Speaker 1: Cat no legislation from.
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Speaker 7: poll we've seen is like people really Hate. Trump they
Speaker 7: also hate The Democratic. Party things are not. Great these
Speaker 7: people are. Pissed the RESULTS i think hammer home just
Speaker 7: how angry voters are and that they are happy to
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Speaker 7: Anger does that mean that every district is going to
Speaker 7: want the furthest left Candidate No lak who's on the
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Speaker 7: ALL i think what's exhausting about this and that you
Speaker 7: experienced is just how much everyone's talking past each, other
Speaker 7: because like a lot of people want the same thing
Speaker 7: and they're labeling it. Differently Like i'm sure there are
Speaker 7: SOME dsa members who are like classical, socialists like The
Speaker 7: marxist Lenin, estate BUT i think most people do not want.
Speaker 7: That it's certainly not What Bernie sanders. Wants he is
Speaker 7: talking about redistributing economic power through the democratic, process not
Speaker 7: a Violent bolshevik. Revolution people eaves in civil liberties and
Speaker 7: elections and change through democratic. Means and it's a world
Speaker 7: view that is a lot closer to The Labor party
Speaker 7: in THE, uk or Like nordic. Countries then you, know
Speaker 7: something radical like medicare for all of THE, nhs, Right,
Speaker 7: like these are not crazy, ideas But trump And republicans, say, oh.
Speaker 1: This is, communism, Right this is all about drumming.
Speaker 7: Up Like Cold war era. Fears and that is more
Speaker 7: politically potent than saying you want A scandinavian welfare.
Speaker 1: State BUT i think no one goes after the. Scan,
Speaker 1: now well they got all. That guess social democracy what
Speaker 1: is the?
Speaker 7: Term, yes They in a country with a two party,
Speaker 7: system this is. Inevitable you're going to have a huge
Speaker 7: range of opinions within the party FROM dsa TO. Dlc
Speaker 7: AND i think if we want to effectively fight back Against,
Speaker 7: trump we're going to have to find a way to
Speaker 7: work together and kind of bridge some of these gaps
Speaker 7: and find common cause on. Things and you know which
Speaker 7: is where the kind Of josh gottheimer kind of you're
Speaker 7: with us or against, us you're a democrat or you're
Speaker 7: a socialist. THING i think it's just reductive and stupid
Speaker 7: and not.
Speaker 1: Helpful it's. Counterproductive why are we doing?
Speaker 4: This?
Speaker 2: YEAH i, LOOK i know that you had sort of
Speaker 2: said your peace about, this AND i found very few
Speaker 2: responses to what you said about trying to persuade you
Speaker 2: or kind of think about what you're saying and try
Speaker 2: to respond to it in a way that was sort
Speaker 2: of treating you as you were acting in good. Faith
Speaker 2: didn't see.
Speaker 1: A lot of. That, yeah, look it is The. Internet so.
Speaker 2: Some of the most liberal districts in the country are
Speaker 2: feeling like they can have someone who is further to
Speaker 2: left and they know they're going to win In, november
Speaker 2: and they want that kind of person fighting for, them
Speaker 2: or they want to support the person That bernie And
Speaker 2: Mom donnie got behind because they really like. Them they
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of love for establishment. Figures they
Speaker 2: don't feel like establishing politics has done well for, them
Speaker 2: even when those establishing figures are to the. Left that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean That joshapiro is not one of the most
Speaker 2: popular governors in the, country or that if there was
Speaker 2: just a poll out that said who are the most
Speaker 2: popular political, figures, well They're Barack obama And Bernie. Sanders Right,
Speaker 2: like it's a complicated heterodox. Country we have the big,
Speaker 2: one big pro democracy. COALITION i think that puts responsibility
Speaker 2: on both sides of this. Divide on The Josh, Gotdheimer Jamie,
Speaker 2: Harrison James carvill. Side you can disagree with, PEOPLE i
Speaker 2: think you should be really critical of. Them you should
Speaker 2: say why you. DISAGREE i Think Josh piro actually did this.
Speaker 2: Well it's LIKE i have strong disagreements this district in another.
Speaker 2: State that that's one, district And i'll defend my. Views
Speaker 2: the people should defend their own without saying that these
Speaker 2: people have no place in our. Coalition if you are
Speaker 2: A democratic, socialist you are not A democrat like you
Speaker 2: don't get to decide. That The democratic voters in those
Speaker 2: districts went to the polls and decided the party reflects
Speaker 2: what the voters. Want the voters aren't meant to follow
Speaker 2: what the party tells. Them right defines A democrat if.
Speaker 1: You, Mom donnie had said that that in somewhere in
Speaker 1: that interview THAT i thought was, right.
Speaker 2: Right and if parts of your coalition are further than the,
Speaker 2: left then you like well have an argument with, him
Speaker 2: figure out the places where you agree and figure out
Speaker 2: an agenda. Together Joe biden wins the primary in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty and, ACTUALLY i thought did pretty extraordinary job of
Speaker 2: talking To Elizabeth warren And Bernie sanders and kind of
Speaker 2: finding a way to bring those people into his coalition
Speaker 2: to the point where they were some of the people
Speaker 2: advocating for him the.
Speaker 1: Most after he blew the.
Speaker 2: Debate so are there is a way to bring these
Speaker 2: sides of the party Together on the other, side it
Speaker 2: is not just because someone is on your team and
Speaker 2: you want to and you don't like the Mainstream democrats
Speaker 2: and you think they're two, centrists doesn't mean that people
Speaker 2: on the left don't have to answer for some of
Speaker 2: the dumbest or most heinous things that they've said in the.
Speaker 1: Past and by the way that people.
Speaker 2: Do we've talked About graham plattin people deserve a chance
Speaker 2: to explain the difference between who they were before they
Speaker 2: were in public life and who they are now now
Speaker 2: that they have a bigger platform and more. Responsibility they
Speaker 2: deserve that. Chance but also that is a. Responsibility you
Speaker 2: are part of a. Coalition speak your, mind say your,
Speaker 2: peace but also know, that like, yes Sometimes republicans are
Speaker 2: going to take, words either in context or out of
Speaker 2: context and try to paint people that you should also
Speaker 2: want to win with what you have.
Speaker 1: Said in the.
Speaker 2: Past it's just where it's it's it's collectively doing what
Speaker 2: IS i think the work of being part of one,
Speaker 2: big fractious.
Speaker 4: Team.
Speaker 1: YEAH aoc was asked about this in an interview With Jen,
Speaker 1: saki and you, know she said this without referring directly
Speaker 1: To Daria Liza, chevalier but she was, like, LOOK i
Speaker 1: think what happens is from my, experience when you actually
Speaker 1: take these jobs and you go into, office the weight
Speaker 1: of the office and the weight of the, job it
Speaker 1: does change you and, it you, know it makes you
Speaker 1: realize the responsibility you, have which is you, know WHAT
Speaker 1: i said On friday, is, look she has these views
Speaker 1: that she just articulated a week before the, election not
Speaker 1: in her old tweets a week before the. Election but
Speaker 1: maybe she'll go To congress and vote in a way
Speaker 1: that doesn't align with some of the more extreme, positions
Speaker 1: in which, case, great everyone deserves the grace to change
Speaker 1: and prove, themselves which is like WHAT i. Thought that
Speaker 1: was pretty pretty normal to. Say i'm not. Concerned and
Speaker 1: Again i'm not concerned about LIKE dsa candidates or progressive
Speaker 1: candidate's knocking off Incumbent democrats and deep blue. Districts that's
Speaker 1: what primaries. Are for primaries are. GOOD i think primaries
Speaker 1: are good no matter. What if the progressive, wins if
Speaker 1: the moderate wins their, primaries they're, fine that's what the voters.
Speaker 1: Want i'm also not concerned about WHAT dsa wins For
Speaker 1: dems in more competitive. Districts my only advice for those
Speaker 1: front Line, dems WHICH i had said On, friday is
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to distance yourself FROM dsa positions that
Speaker 1: you disagree. With if someone asks you whether you agree
Speaker 1: with abolishing prisons and police and, borders and you don't
Speaker 1: just say, that say that you don't light the, ideas
Speaker 1: say that they're, terrible say that they're not that. Great
Speaker 1: so whatever you want to, say but, like don't be
Speaker 1: afraid to say, that because then folks on the left
Speaker 1: will be mad at you that you said you didn't
Speaker 1: light that. Idea you don't have to attack the people
Speaker 1: and try to purge them from the. Party you have
Speaker 1: to attack their character or their. PERSON i don't want
Speaker 1: to do that with anyone who. Want but you can
Speaker 1: disagree with the.
Speaker 2: Ideas and by the, way LIKE i also then and
Speaker 2: and if you AND i think there's nothing WHERE i was,
Speaker 2: saying Like i'm not a socialist AND i actually, think
Speaker 2: you know. SOCIALISM i want to figure out whatever a
Speaker 2: person like A Josh godemmer would say it has been
Speaker 2: their actual point of, View Like i'm not a, SOCIALIST
Speaker 2: i don't agree with socialist ideas whatever it looks. Like
Speaker 2: but to say like and THEREFORE i cast you out
Speaker 2: as it means to protecting what you think the brand should,
Speaker 2: be as opposed to saying AND i look forward to
Speaker 2: having that disagreement approach BECAUSE i want to make my
Speaker 2: argument for how for WHY i think that it could.
Speaker 1: Be such A godheimerson then would say that, like all,
Speaker 1: right let's discuss. This let's discuss your ideas and have
Speaker 1: a debate and we can learn to work. Together maybe
Speaker 1: we can find some common ground on stuff that we do.
Speaker 7: Aground, yeah but, that, yeah it's just posturing us political.
Speaker 7: Paustion like The godheimer version of this is. FRUSTRATING i
Speaker 7: think the reaction to you that was sort of, like
Speaker 7: how dare you criticize an elected? OFFICIAL i find that's
Speaker 7: so patronizing and stupid because once you're an elected, office
Speaker 7: like everything is up for.
Speaker 1: Grabs you're going to be criticized for. Everything it just
Speaker 1: is what it.
Speaker 7: Is, also the freak, out LIKE i think the establishment
Speaker 7: should be worried about what it means for them, electorally
Speaker 7: but the people who are like the parties off the
Speaker 7: rails is going to change. Everything like we heard exactly
Speaker 7: the same shit in twenty eighteen WHEN Aoc beach Oh
Speaker 7: crowley and there was all this fear mongering about the
Speaker 7: squad and then we Nominated Joe biden to be Our
Speaker 7: democratic nominee in twenty, twenty and you know what establishment,
Speaker 7: Moderates And.
Speaker 1: Joe biden went out there and said for all that
Speaker 1: he did to bring In bernie and the, left he also,
Speaker 1: said AND i think defund the police is a horrible,
Speaker 1: Idea and he said it like he articulated it and
Speaker 1: said it, specifically and the left got really mad at.
Speaker 1: Him but it's probably good that he did that because
Speaker 1: then people know Where Joe biden stood on that issue
Speaker 1: and didn't lump him in with the. Left it's like
Speaker 1: The republicans tried, to but it didn't. Work the online
Speaker 1: reaction to you is just the sort of like the
Speaker 1: most annoying version of an online, reaction which.
Speaker 4: Is like.
Speaker 7: It must have been in bad, Faith like you, know
Speaker 7: it means you're dead to, Them you're like a, Shill
Speaker 7: you're a, corporatis you should Be luigi like, whatever like, insane.
Speaker 1: Literally, people and it's like everyone calmed the fuck. Down
Speaker 1: it's a political. Discussion some of the whole. Video put
Speaker 1: my picture nexs To Mike johnson and, said these these
Speaker 1: two are the. Same but this is like we've been
Speaker 1: saying that for. YEARS i know that's. True IT'S i
Speaker 1: do like to monitor other people's. Porn, yeah so that's your,
Speaker 1: King well many back to.
Speaker 2: Guy. Yeah and but also by like Mom, DONNIE i
Speaker 2: mean we, INTERVIEWED i talked to him Mom donni about this, directly.
Speaker 1: Right like he's so, smart he gets. It but also
Speaker 1: by the, way Like i'm, saying that's the thing's LIKE
Speaker 1: aoc so smart about.
Speaker 2: This he is defending views THAT i think maybe would
Speaker 2: be unpalatable to a lot Of. Americans but he's the
Speaker 2: mayor Of New, york so he's free to do. That
Speaker 2: he's evolving on certain, things he's trying to persuade on other.
Speaker 2: Things he did so much work to try to demonstrate
Speaker 2: To Jewish New yorkers that he could be relied on
Speaker 2: as an opponent of Anti semitism without giving an inch
Speaker 2: on some of his views that are Anti.
Speaker 1: Israel including condemning the rally That chevalier went.
Speaker 2: To, yeah and, so like, HE i do think online
Speaker 2: is so it's so, toxic, Right but like actual, organizers
Speaker 2: EVEN dsa organizers that are actually trying to do this,
Speaker 2: WORK i think probably are not as toxic as what
Speaker 2: you are. Getting though at the same, time there is
Speaker 2: there are people in the real world following people Like
Speaker 2: Scott wiener, around yelling at them on the.
Speaker 1: Streets let's talk about that. Then Scott, wiener The State
Speaker 1: center From San francisco who's running to Replace Nancy, pelosi
Speaker 1: was over the weekends surrounded and berated by a gang
Speaker 1: Of heckler's at the city's annual trans, march who told
Speaker 1: him that his long record of fighting for trans wrights
Speaker 1: was no longer sufficient because of his record On. Israel
Speaker 1: let's take a.
Speaker 6: Listen, Yes, SCOTT i want to support someone who's so
Speaker 6: positive about trans, rights but you're a piece.
Speaker 1: Of, shit my, yawsa how could you do? That how
Speaker 1: could you betray? Queers how could you propress these? People
Speaker 1: you stuff don't queer the moment you Said pisa, SET
Speaker 1: i just want to read From wiener's website what his
Speaker 1: positions are On israel And. Palestine he has publicly called
Speaker 1: The israeli government's action In gaza, genocide Joining Bernie sanders
Speaker 1: And Representative bailant as one of the only three Prominent
Speaker 1: jewish elected officials in the country to do. So he
Speaker 1: has never taken any money FROM, apak he has no
Speaker 1: on military funding For, israel and he Supports palestinian. Statehood
Speaker 1: so that was because he didn't say the word genocide Until.
Speaker 1: January And wiener said that he left the march because
Speaker 1: the hecklers quote were so physically and verbally aggressive that
Speaker 1: it was impossible for me to safely remain in the.
Speaker 1: Park what do you guys Think San francisco Being San
Speaker 1: francisco or is this a bigger? Deal, no this is
Speaker 1: assholes being.
Speaker 7: ASSHOLES i, mean, Like i'm fine with confronting collected officials heckling,
Speaker 7: them saying, whatever but like he's in a public.
Speaker 1: Space you can't tell this man to.
Speaker 7: Leave and also they're so threatening there and they sound
Speaker 7: stupid saying your sexual orientation is predicated on your past
Speaker 7: comments On gaza is just like SO i don't, Know
Speaker 7: Scott Wiener i've never talked to the guy, like but he,
Speaker 7: is by any objective, measure an extremely Progressive democrat who
Speaker 7: like he's probably a touch more moderate than the squad,
Speaker 7: say because of like housing. Issues the people filming this
Speaker 7: stuff ultimately make their movement look. Bad they Make wiener look,
Speaker 7: sympathetic WHICH i assume is the opposite of what the intention.
Speaker 7: Was AND i think they also Hand Fox news And
Speaker 7: republicans a piece of content that they'll now use forever
Speaker 7: to Make, democrats especially progressive, democrats look crazy and aggressive
Speaker 7: and so soup to. Nuts it was just a fucking,
Speaker 7: terrible terrible way to conduct politics and to.
Speaker 1: Treat another human.
Speaker 2: Being. YEAH i think if you're following around an elected
Speaker 2: official who is pro, gay pro trans at a trans supporting,
Speaker 2: event and you are yelling at them and saying you're
Speaker 2: pressing queers because of your position On, israel even though
Speaker 2: your position On israel is that you Believe israel's committed
Speaker 2: a genocide In, gaza then what you're doing is being
Speaker 2: an Anti. Semite if you're Following Scott weener around yelling
Speaker 2: at him in this, park it is because you are
Speaker 2: being Anti.
Speaker 7: Semitic talking about His zionist handlers yelling you are an Anti,
Speaker 7: semite and, yeah.
Speaker 1: That that is what.
Speaker 2: Is that is why you are yelling at this. Man
Speaker 2: whatever you tell, yourself whatever story you tell yourself online
Speaker 2: about what you believe, in why it's.
Speaker 1: Justified that.
Speaker 2: Is that is as pure Anti semitism as you can.
Speaker 2: See and uh it is, corrosive and uh it's worth calling.
Speaker 2: Out there's a lot of people LIKE, i you, know
Speaker 2: when when someone says that Brad lander In New york
Speaker 2: ten one because of Anti semitism against, it or that
Speaker 2: Anti semitism played a, ROLE i find that hard to
Speaker 2: understand because it is a Very jewish. District Brad lander Is,
Speaker 2: Jewish Dan goldman Was, Jewish but that doesn't mean That
Speaker 2: SO i don't like it when Ani semitism is used
Speaker 2: as a, Cudgel but that doesn't mean it isn't like
Speaker 2: worth calling out when you see, it and, like give
Speaker 2: me a fucking.
Speaker 1: Break we live in a world where like every single
Speaker 1: person with the phone has a megaphone now and can
Speaker 1: do this kind of. Thing SO i don't, think you,
Speaker 1: know talking about the people who Followed Scott winger and
Speaker 1: like they're not gonna listen to us or anyone, Right
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to ever stop people from
Speaker 1: being assholes and holding up their. PHONE i do think
Speaker 1: that it would behoove people on the, left and especially
Speaker 1: people who have been marching and organizing in protests For
Speaker 1: palastinian rights and have been right on this issue from
Speaker 1: the beginning to call that out right because this is the,
Speaker 1: like As tommy, said this is going to be the
Speaker 1: clip that they use to show That democrats are crazy
Speaker 1: and all that kind of. Stuff and also it's just
Speaker 1: it's good movement politics to be, like, yes we can
Speaker 1: hold two ideas in our head at the same, time
Speaker 1: that it is horrendous what The israeli government has, done
Speaker 1: and that the most important issue is the fact That
Speaker 1: palstinians are being slaughtered and now people In lebanon are being,
Speaker 1: killed and that is the more important. Issue but also
Speaker 1: it's still awful that this. Happened in our. Movement we
Speaker 1: don't want that kind of thing and we don't believe
Speaker 1: that like. THAT i think that's it's very possible to do, that,
Speaker 1: yes and believing it just didn't see a lot of.
Speaker 2: It now and that under that have been more outraged
Speaker 2: doesn't justify treating people terribly and, like it's not obviously
Speaker 2: these are just random. People you can't to a few
Speaker 2: random people following someone. Around the whole movement can't be.
Speaker 1: Held account for, it and it shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Be, however, however it is more than just, that right
Speaker 2: because you will see, people, uh defend Following Scott. Wiener
Speaker 2: you'll see people defend a coffee shop that refuses to
Speaker 2: Serve Dan.
Speaker 1: Goldman you will.
Speaker 2: See people and you will see people describe any figure
Speaker 2: that criticizes following Around Scott wiener or criticizes what happened
Speaker 2: To Dan goldman as civility politics or kind of or
Speaker 2: or formative. Respectability, right and, look we've made fun, of you,
Speaker 2: know the red hen alert around around. Civility but but
Speaker 2: if but like, being if you want a movement to,
Speaker 2: succeed it has to be something that is appealing and
Speaker 2: and and generative and and and brings people in and
Speaker 2: tries to persuade people and treats them in good. Faith
Speaker 2: and that's obviously not what happened.
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Speaker 1: Cricket Hey, williams welcome to Patsave.
Speaker 10: America thank. You it's great to be.
Speaker 1: Here so you hear state legislatures of the firewall Against
Speaker 1: trump's staling an, election and it can sound to abstract to,
Speaker 1: People so maybe you can help make it concrete if
Speaker 1: we get a contested presidential results in twenty twenty, eight
Speaker 1: which chambers are the ones standing between a close call
Speaker 1: and a stolen? One where's the actual?
Speaker 10: Fight oh that's such a good.
Speaker 11: Question you, know in twenty twenty, six we have real
Speaker 11: opportunities to create new majorities in our presidential bataground. States
Speaker 11: so Thank, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona. Pennsylvania these are the
Speaker 11: places that are going to have huge impacts obviously on
Speaker 11: the twenty twenty eight presidential and these are places where
Speaker 11: we can Women alreadson twenty twenty, six which will allow
Speaker 11: us to move legislation as needed to shore up our
Speaker 11: democracy laws in those states to ensure that we've got
Speaker 11: a really strong presidential.
Speaker 1: Process, yeah AND i think people don't maybe not everyone,
Speaker 1: understands though probably more people after what happened in twenty.
Speaker 1: Twenty just the power that state legislatures have over the electoral,
Speaker 1: process over sending delegates of electors To. Congress maybe you
Speaker 1: can speak a little bit about.
Speaker 10: That, yeah that's exactly.
Speaker 11: Right the presidential certification process originates in our, states and
Speaker 11: that alongside with our voting.
Speaker 10: Laws with our election, administration all of that are state.
Speaker 11: Actions and so the more democratic majorities we, have the
Speaker 11: better our elections. Are certainly now in this, environment and
Speaker 11: the opportunities that we have to build that power this
Speaker 11: year will be sort of immediately put to, use right
Speaker 11: to again ensure that people's votes are.
Speaker 10: Counted they're counted in.
Speaker 11: Real regardless of who, wins that the election is certified
Speaker 11: and that person becomes.
Speaker 1: President so potential election theft decide for someone who's not
Speaker 1: familiar with their state legislature or what state legislatures even.
Speaker 1: Do what's a concrete example of something that a democratic
Speaker 1: run state legislature has done over the last few. Years it's,
Speaker 1: actually you, know changed people's.
Speaker 11: Lives, oh the one THAT i love to talk about
Speaker 11: is meals for kids in, schools ensuring that every kid
Speaker 11: has access to a female in. School this was something
Speaker 11: that passed In minnesota when they had the, trifecta it
Speaker 11: passed in a number of states. Sinds then it is
Speaker 11: such a great way to think about how do we
Speaker 11: nurture our kids in our, community how do we make
Speaker 11: sure that our researchers are going into our.
Speaker 10: Future and it also puts a little more money in people's.
Speaker 1: Pockets so you mentioned some of the battleground States, Minnesota, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Arizona what are this states Where democrats have the biggest
Speaker 1: opportunities this? Year talk about sort of the map and
Speaker 1: the target list for you.
Speaker 11: Guys, Yeah so we think about the map of opportunities
Speaker 11: in building power in the states and what that means
Speaker 11: for us is that we are looking at everything from
Speaker 11: how do we put democrats in the negotiating room by
Speaker 11: breaking The republican power of a, supermajority to how do
Speaker 11: we make sure that our democratic governors in states where
Speaker 11: their legislature Is republican have the veto pen and how
Speaker 11: do we of course create new majorities trifectas for the.
Speaker 11: Future so those places that we can create these new,
Speaker 11: majorities these new trifectas really are centered in those presidential battlegrounds, Again, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan.
Speaker 11: Arizona winning just nineteen seats in those states will build
Speaker 11: six new majorities and four new. Trifectas it's, amazing, Right
Speaker 11: and that's, seats and that's where the core fight is
Speaker 11: going to. Be BUT i think it's important to also
Speaker 11: mention right that thinking about how do we build power
Speaker 11: for the long, term how do we start building Back,
Speaker 11: democrats particularly in The, south where that break of A
Speaker 11: republican supermajority Puts democrats in that negotiating. Room it gives
Speaker 11: them a little more, Power it gives them more access to,
Speaker 11: voters to, constituents and allows them to build back for
Speaker 11: the future because we know post twenty thirty that the census,
Speaker 11: comes reapportionment, happens and we've got congressional districts that are
Speaker 11: growing in The.
Speaker 1: South, Yeah so this is SOMETHING i think about all
Speaker 1: the time, now is you have all the opportunities for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Six there's so many states now Where republicans
Speaker 1: have taken power in a state legislature and then jerrymandered
Speaker 1: the state legislature to such a degree that it's almost
Speaker 1: impossible For democrats to make any. Ground AND i think
Speaker 1: About wisconsin as an. EXAMPLE i remember When Ben wickler
Speaker 1: was the party chair there and he would talk about
Speaker 1: how it's just really difficult because you can elect a democratic,
Speaker 1: governor but they have gerrymandered the legislature so badly that they.
Speaker 1: Can't and ultimately what Fixed wisconsin was State Supreme court.
Speaker 1: Elections so in states Where republicans have jerrymandered the, legislature
Speaker 1: what is the strategy there and how do we make
Speaker 1: headway and some of those those those legislatures that are really.
Speaker 11: Jerrymandered Your wisconsin example is, great, Right so we are
Speaker 11: winning statewide or could win statewide In. Wisconsin we could
Speaker 11: win at the congressional, level although not as much AS
Speaker 11: i think what was possible, there, right but couldn't couldn't
Speaker 11: flip those state. Legislatures you, KNOW i think the strategy
Speaker 11: is sort of multi. Pronged, Right you can't divest in
Speaker 11: the state legislative races because we do still have legislators,
Speaker 11: there and those, legislators well maybe not in the, majority
Speaker 11: do still have some power to band together to bring
Speaker 11: some folks together on issues that matter a, lot, right
Speaker 11: particularly when there's a democratic governor their assurance that he
Speaker 11: has the veto pen has been really.
Speaker 10: Important so we can't.
Speaker 11: Walk away from the state legislatures just because it's. Hard
Speaker 11: but alongside that In wisconsin is a great example where
Speaker 11: The Supreme court mattered. Deeply you, know These Supreme court
Speaker 11: races are sometimes, partisans sometimes, nonpartisan but we need to
Speaker 11: make sure that we let voters know the values of
Speaker 11: these candidates and that we are thinking about a court
Speaker 11: strategy alongside our electoral. Strategy and THEN i think the
Speaker 11: third thing right in this varies by. State wisconsin is
Speaker 11: not a great example of, this but others are where
Speaker 11: there's ballid initiative. Opportunities that is another. Way In, michigan
Speaker 11: right we've got a people not politicians process that put
Speaker 11: a nonpartisan commission In michigan that has incredibly competitive legislative
Speaker 11: seats and, Chambers and those are sort of the three
Speaker 11: anchor ways THAT i think that you really start to build.
Speaker 1: Back one thing that surprised me IS i assumed one
Speaker 1: Reason democrats have been at a disadvantage is Because republicans
Speaker 1: outspent us on the state legislative. Level but in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: four The democratic side outspent THE. Rslc The republican counter
Speaker 1: heart to you, guys roughly one hundred and seventy five
Speaker 1: million to forty nine, million little better than three to,
Speaker 1: one still lost The minnesota trifecta in The Michigan. House
Speaker 1: so if beyond, money what are some of the biggest
Speaker 1: challenges that the party has faced at the state?
Speaker 11: Level the attention, battle, right these races are you, know
Speaker 11: folks know these candidates. Less they're often first time, candidates,
Speaker 11: Right they're running for the first. Time their NAME id
Speaker 11: is not, great they don't have a record right to run,
Speaker 11: on and that attention fight is really. Important AND i
Speaker 11: think the thing when you couple the attention with the
Speaker 11: money and you think about these battleground, states we have
Speaker 11: competitive races up the whole.
Speaker 10: Ballot so when you.
Speaker 11: Think about a low NAME id candidate that's running for
Speaker 11: state legislature but has a great story to, tell competing
Speaker 11: for people's timed and brain space in the election season
Speaker 11: is really. Hard SO i, think you, know as much
Speaker 11: as we can run as, tickets as much as we
Speaker 11: can support in coordinated campaigns and other statewide, efforts what
Speaker 11: is happening at our local.
Speaker 10: Races it's really.
Speaker 1: Important that's also going to be an issue of sort
Speaker 1: of the hollowing out of local news and the disapparancy
Speaker 1: of local, news because if you're reading about politics, now
Speaker 1: you're reading about national, politics and if you're reading about national,
Speaker 1: politics you're reading about presidential, level maybe congressional, level but
Speaker 1: probably not much about your state.
Speaker 10: State that is exactly.
Speaker 1: RIGHT i imagine that in that, situation the ground game
Speaker 1: field probably has to be even more critical than even
Speaker 1: sort of the media.
Speaker 11: Strategy, yes the direct voter contact by the candidates is
Speaker 11: the most important thing that these races. Do these, candidates you,
Speaker 11: know these districts are small enough in most cases where
Speaker 11: the candidate can knock the door of every voter in their.
Speaker 11: District they still live in their, districts so they're going
Speaker 11: to the grocery store and drop off and the library
Speaker 11: and you, know everywhere else alongside voters and, constituents and
Speaker 11: they are sort of never off. Duty and that means
Speaker 11: that their muscle of communicating and talking about the things
Speaker 11: they care, about what they believe, in why they're running for,
Speaker 11: office what's happening, nationally and how they put it in
Speaker 11: their own, words that's happening all the, time and they're
Speaker 11: building that.
Speaker 10: MUSCLE i think we call it.
Speaker 11: Now they're authentic, communicators but truly like they're just normal
Speaker 11: people who are having conversations with their.
Speaker 1: Neighbors so the recruitment numbers are really. Impressive In. MINNESOTA
Speaker 1: i think he has a fill to every. District kansas
Speaker 1: has the biggest late in thirty. Years QUESTION i, had
Speaker 1: how does the recruiting pitch go for a candidate who
Speaker 1: lives in a district Where republicans routinely win by twenty
Speaker 1: to thirty, Points because that is a getting people's run
Speaker 1: for office in the first place. Difficult getting people to
Speaker 1: run for office in a place where the climb is very.
Speaker 1: STEEP i imagine that's even harder it.
Speaker 11: Is you, know this is the thing THAT i was
Speaker 11: most us about this, cycle, was you, know coming out
Speaker 11: of twenty twenty, four starting this year, off how are
Speaker 11: we going to get people to run for? Office and
Speaker 11: then of course we had the horrific assassination Of Speaker
Speaker 11: cortman In, minnesota another reminder ride of how difficult.
Speaker 10: It is to run for.
Speaker 11: Office it didn't come, true like people were really excited
Speaker 11: to run for, office AND i, think you, know we
Speaker 11: work hard to make sure that candidates across the country have.
Speaker 10: Some level of tools and sort of toolkits right to
Speaker 10: run for.
Speaker 11: Office BUT i think what we've seen is our ability
Speaker 11: at this bout level to connect with voters and all
Speaker 11: kinds of communities this year and win. Elections we've already
Speaker 11: flipped thirty, seats some of these have been in ruby red.
Speaker 11: Districts is a reminder that if we don't show, up
Speaker 11: if someone doesn't show, up we can't even, compete let alone.
Speaker 11: Win and this really feels like a year where you,
Speaker 11: know people are seeing that one way to change the
Speaker 11: direction of the country is to change the people In
Speaker 11: and you've got two options in that you vote or
Speaker 11: you run for, office and we are seeing that all
Speaker 11: Over it's just.
Speaker 1: Incredible i'm sure there's an incredible diversity of candidates that you've,
Speaker 1: recruited but is there any sort of demographic group or
Speaker 1: type of candidate or profession that keeps showing up more
Speaker 1: this cycle compared to other.
Speaker 11: Cycles you, know it's interesting that you asked this question
Speaker 11: in part because you, know our candidates tend to be middle.
Speaker 11: Class they tend to, be LIKE i, said first time.
Speaker 11: Candidates they tend to be maybe. Not you're sort of
Speaker 11: made FOR tv sort of, politician and that is what
Speaker 11: is so great about this bout. Level it's what's great
Speaker 11: about our state legislators is you've got real people trying
Speaker 11: to solve real. PROBLEMS i feel like there is a
Speaker 11: stronger spotlight on, that and you're noticing it. More it
Speaker 11: feels just different than what you stereotypically have seen in
Speaker 11: sort of national.
Speaker 1: Politics student council, president, yes lawyers, right lawyer, right, yeah.
Speaker 11: Exactly AND i think that the value of these candidates
Speaker 11: is their ability to, say you, KNOW i GET i
Speaker 11: get what you're dealing. With here's my story and How
Speaker 11: i'm dealing with it and how it's challenging for. Me
Speaker 11: this is my own personal antidote of what is happening.
Speaker 11: Here BUT i get, IT i hear, you and, like
Speaker 11: we may have slightly different views of how this can come,
Speaker 11: together but we can talk about. It AND i, think you,
Speaker 11: know that is really what we're seeing in these.
Speaker 10: Candidates it's.
Speaker 1: Great, obviously the democratic parties are national favorability rating is
Speaker 1: in the, basement and yet state legislative democrats routinely run
Speaker 1: ahead of the of the national party. Brand what are
Speaker 1: your candidates doing that the national party can't seem to.
Speaker 11: Do these candidates are community, organizing. Right they are still
Speaker 11: talking about the thing that's happening in your. Backyard and you,
Speaker 11: know if you talk to someone who has been in
Speaker 11: office in the state, legislature you will hear them say
Speaker 11: like they are problem solvers on behalf of their. Community
Speaker 11: they are connecting constituents with federal agencies that are solving their.
Speaker 11: Problem they're trying to get their trash can that you,
Speaker 11: know had gone missing and they hadn't been able to
Speaker 11: get it. Back they are able to take these big.
Speaker 11: POLICIES i like to use The Infrastructure bill as an
Speaker 11: example and break it down into community. Impact you, know
Speaker 11: the Infrastructure, bill what does it mean for our? Community
Speaker 11: it means that this road is going to be fixed
Speaker 11: in twenty, minutes is going to be cut off your commute.
Speaker 11: Time you're going to have forty minutes a day back
Speaker 11: in your life to do whatever it is that you
Speaker 11: want to. Do that ability to really localize the national
Speaker 11: issues is really the art form of this boot. Level
Speaker 11: everything is about your. Neighbor and as much as we
Speaker 11: are a country, divided people still care a lot about
Speaker 11: their communities and their.
Speaker 10: Neighbors and that is what separates.
Speaker 1: Things for a person listening right now who's surrounded by
Speaker 1: trumpy neighbors and is Sure democrats have no shot where they.
Speaker 1: Live what do you say to that, person what should they?
Speaker 10: Do get involved in your state legislative? Race?
Speaker 11: Seriously like it, is it, Will it will broaden what you,
Speaker 11: think it'll broaden your view of your, neighbors, right but
Speaker 11: it will also.
Speaker 10: Give you that opportunity to have those.
Speaker 11: Conversations you, know these legislative candidates are surrounded by friends
Speaker 11: and family who are volunteering and talking to voters on their,
Speaker 11: behalf persuading them all the way to the end of the.
Speaker 11: Election and it is in conversation that we move the needle.
Speaker 11: Together you, know even those of us that are are far,
Speaker 11: apart maybe not maybe not on the super mega end of,
Speaker 11: things but on the disillusion To republican that no longer
Speaker 11: feels like they have a place In Trump's Republican. Party,
Speaker 11: like there's a real opportunity to dialogue and have that
Speaker 11: conversation and find some level of common ground and honestly
Speaker 11: just listen and hold space for. People and that is
Speaker 11: that is what is being craved.
Speaker 1: Everywhere last, Question, yeah give us the state legislative. Chamber
Speaker 1: people aren't paying enough attention to that you'll be watching
Speaker 1: on election night and and what it'll tell us if
Speaker 1: it goes our?
Speaker 10: Way oh, Man.
Speaker 11: Okay So i'm going to take this in two. Ways,
Speaker 11: one the one THAT i care most about Is. MINNESOTA
Speaker 11: i just it's my home. State AS i hasn't been a,
Speaker 11: Lot we've been through a lot. There we JUST i
Speaker 11: really want to get that one. Back so that's my
Speaker 11: personal take on. IT i, think you, know if we
Speaker 11: are having just an incredible like, year there's real things
Speaker 11: happening In.
Speaker 10: Arizona.
Speaker 1: YEAH i Saw arizona in the list AND i was,
Speaker 1: like oh, Wow, yeah how do we go From arizona
Speaker 1: being so read to now Two democratic, Senators Katie hobbs's
Speaker 1: governor AND i guess the legislature is up.
Speaker 10: For grabs to, them it very much.
Speaker 11: Is and you, KNOW i think this is A this
Speaker 11: starts to tell us right, that like big things are.
Speaker 11: Happening but you, know we're in an environment right now
Speaker 11: where if the election was held, TODAY i think we've
Speaker 11: got roughly a plus four environment that we're seeing at
Speaker 11: our bout.
Speaker 10: Level that means that we could flip as many as
Speaker 10: six hundred plus. Seats there is a lot in, play
Speaker 10: and these races are often run on the.
Speaker 11: Margins so we've got this big spreadsheet as everyone does
Speaker 11: an election night that we watch and it.
Speaker 10: Is it's going to be.
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Speaker 1: good luck out.
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