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PW torch dot com 27 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:27.120 slash Go VIP. 28 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:36.280 Now. 29 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:41.040 PW Torch brings you the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post show. 30 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:46.239 Five years ago. This week on the SmackDown post Show, 31 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:48.719 I was joined by PW Torches Mike Myers. We talked 32 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:51.760 about that night's show with live callers and responded to emails, 33 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:54.840 and had two on site correspondents from Cleveland, Ohio. We 34 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:57.200 talked about what happened in the arena when the two 35 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.359 matches aired from Rolling Loud The Dark Match were Rains 36 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:03.200 and Sena faced off in a tag match, crowd reactions 37 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:05.959 and more. We also discussed with callers and react to 38 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.039 emails on all key Angles, promos and matches with Roman Reigns, 39 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:12.719 John Cena, Finn Balor, and Edge, the intriguing relationship with 40 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.439 Kevin Owens, and Baron Corbin and what the upside could be, 41 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:18.800 the continued developing chemistry with Michael Cole and Pat McAfee 42 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:21.439 and more so, let's get to it. This originally live 43 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:24.479 streamed on July twenty third, twenty twenty one, and it 44 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:27.520 is today. It's Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post show five 45 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:33.319 years ago flashback for Thursday, July twenty third, twenty twenty six. Well, Mike, 46 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:36.000 I thought it was a pretty cool setting, seeing that 47 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:41.439 big of an outdoor crowd in Miami and the ring 48 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:45.400 entrance and the backdrop. Everything was kind of different and 49 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:48.240 cool than what we're used to. But man, when the 50 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:52.719 matches started, it was not a great wrestling atmosphere. The 51 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.560 roster loose, the wrestlers were just trying to get through it. 52 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:59.560 Their timing wasn't good. It just the chants were hard 53 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.599 to hear, but probably inappropriate, and I don't I mean, 54 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:05.879 it's a cool idea, but I'm glad Smacked Down didnt 55 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:09.120 place entirely from there. Your thoughts on that novel aspect 56 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:11.479 of SmackDown Tonight, Yeah. 57 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:14.599 My first thoughts were I thought it was weird that 58 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:17.319 they didn't mention that they were going to do this 59 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:23.599 alternative broadcast until like twenty five minutes into SmackDown, and 60 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:28.159 that got me wondering if they were self conscious about 61 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:30.039 what it was going to look like or sound like 62 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:32.759 or something like. I didn't know why they weren't pumping 63 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:35.199 it up more. I thought it should be a bigger deal, 64 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.439 especially when I saw it, like you said, it looked 65 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:44.599 super impressive, and yeah, there's no way anybody in that crowd, 66 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.400 and there was a ton of people in that crowd 67 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:51.039 had a good look at the ring because the ring 68 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:53.439 was on a stage and all the fans were on 69 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.280 the ground, And I have a pretty strong feeling that 70 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:04.319 the audio was doctored, juiced up, what have you. And 71 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:08.879 I think they do that sort of thing even in 72 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:13.400 their own arena shows for WWE shows. And then at 73 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.160 this show, this Miami thing, where they had two matches, 74 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.000 there were chants and cheers and things going on, but 75 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:25.040 when whenever they panned across the audience, they seemed almost captive, 76 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:28.720 whereas compared with in the arena, you can kind of 77 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:34.040 match up the audience behavior with a chance, and in 78 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:36.839 that Miami setting, I don't think it was so. I 79 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:40.480 think there's a lot of doctoring with the fan audio, 80 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.600 but it looked awesome if nothing else. 81 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:47.720 All right, So we got that out of the way. 82 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:49.240 I mean, not that we've talked about it again, but 83 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:52.279 like it was novel, and I think they should look 84 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:56.439 for opportunities to do more of that, but also learn 85 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.920 from this experience about what we're and what doesn't what 86 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.959 not to do, what to do. But yeah, I mean 87 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:06.120 I give them. You know, it's like back in the 88 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:09.199 Nitro days where they would do you know, shows in 89 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:11.639 different settings and it was real novel, even like Hogwild 90 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:13.680 or road Wild. It was like it was cool, you know. 91 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.800 They people dwelled on them losing out on ticket sales, 92 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.319 and I'm like they gained something by really freshening up 93 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:22.959 the atmosphere, even if it was uncomfortable and weird at times. 94 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:27.800 So I'm not gonna like be super critical of the 95 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:30.839 execution not being great, even if some of it might 96 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:33.199 have been foreseeable but also unavoidable. I mean, I think 97 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:36.120 those two things can exist coexist, which gets them off 98 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:38.519 the hook a little bit. But I hope they look 99 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.879 for opportunities to do different settings. They're so there's such 100 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.680 control freaks about everything being the way that they do things, 101 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:47.160 and the way they do things is the best way. 102 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:49.199 And obviously they got a lot on their plate a 103 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:50.560 lot of times, and they just want things to go 104 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:53.199 smooth if they can find some sort of happy medium 105 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:55.480 to have a show just like Aw's gonna have with 106 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:57.680 Arthur Ash Stadium and like they had with Daily's Place. 107 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:01.879 They AW has that different from week to week and 108 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:04.160 WW doesn't you know they say what time they're in, 109 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:05.920 but it always looks the same and it feels the same. 110 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:10.560 So I like it. Conceptually, this didn't work. I'm curious 111 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.439 to talk to Ronzie correspondent about what it was like 112 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:14.959 in the building. Did they have other matches and just 113 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.360 cut the screens off or did they show them what 114 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:20.759 was happening on the big screen during that Maybe somebody 115 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:23.160 on Twitter said so during the show, and I didn't 116 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:25.279 see it, but we'll have We expect to have an 117 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:29.360 onside correspondent calling in soon, so we'll hopefully get word 118 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:34.680 on that. The matches weren't good, and especially the first one. 119 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:36.680 I mean, but it's just you know, when you hype 120 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:40.439 a women's title match, and that's what we get. It 121 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:43.839 felt like an exhibition, you know, it's kind of their 122 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.000 inverse and when rock bands try to play at a 123 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.720 wrestling show and people boom. You know, people gather and 124 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:52.240 go to things to see something specific, and it's tough 125 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:54.600 to pull off something different that's a novelty and have 126 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:55.759 it work. 127 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.639 I'm glad that you said that about it feeling like 128 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.480 an exhibition because one thing that stood out to me 129 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:05.399 because there were two matches and they both had clean finishes. 130 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:10.839 And if the company, that's not normal, right, That's not 131 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.279 normal for like a Friday SmackDown or a Monday night raw. 132 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:17.920 So if the company is doing this and it is 133 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:22.360 like an exhibition in front of probably thousands of people 134 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.680 who aren't their normal audience, it's not fair to make 135 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.600 them think that this is what is normal with this 136 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:33.839 when you watch this wrestling show to clean victories. So 137 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:37.639 that that was interesting to me that they said, no, 138 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.560 this is a this is wbe pro wrestling at this 139 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.680 at this festival. But if you tune into the TV 140 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.600 shows you'll get something different from that. 141 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:53.480 I think, yes, yes, your thoughts on the crowd reaction 142 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:59.079 in Cleveland and how it compared to the three weekend 143 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.279 shows that we saw last weekend. 144 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:08.240 I thought Cleveland seemed pretty hot and pretty engaged. I 145 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:10.759 was kind of trying to tune into that because this 146 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.279 is the first well it's the first time that I've 147 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:17.120 joined you on the show with a live audience at 148 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:21.680 at SmackDown in a long in a long time, like 149 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:23.680 it feels like ten years. Yeah, you know what I mean. 150 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.720 And it's I mean, it's good to see signs. I 151 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:32.399 saw a Boog's equals Money sign and that that made 152 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:36.360 me happy. And I saw a lot of John Cena signs, 153 00:08:36.360 --> 00:08:39.639 and there was so much variance in their quality and 154 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:41.919 design that it seemed like it had to be organic, 155 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:45.919 Like I don't think that there were plants with Sina signs. Yeah, 156 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:50.879 and like in like I mentioned earlier, comparing this Cleveland 157 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:57.159 audience to the Miami audience, they I was specifically looking for, 158 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:00.879 are they matching up with what I'm hearing from, like 159 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:04.840 the in arena microphones, like the chanting am I seeing 160 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:08.840 fists pumping with chance and I'm like, thundered on me, Yeah, 161 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:13.600 exactly exactly, And I was, And it was refreshing, and 162 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:14.919 it was all kind of stuff that I took for 163 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:16.960 granted because I think they were kind of sweetening up 164 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:21.039 the sound even you know, pre pandemic. I hate to 165 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.279 be so cynical about it, but I'm pretty sure they 166 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:26.559 were doing that. But it looked like things were matching up. 167 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:28.919 And I thought I thought the crowd was decent. 168 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.879 Yeah, I thought they were more than decent. I thought 169 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:37.519 they brought a ton of energy, like Sina came out 170 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:39.480 and did not need to go into the bag of 171 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:41.879 tricks to get you know, hey, left side of the 172 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:43.840 building cheer louder than the right to get them going, 173 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:45.519 and you didn't have to drop the name of the 174 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:47.480 city to get them to wake up. Like I my, 175 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:49.879 that was my perception of Dallas on Monday night. This 176 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.960 felt like a really excited crowd. And I think too 177 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:56.279 if you if you watched this show, you would not 178 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:00.039 think WWE has been the subject of. 179 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:01.799 That. 180 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:03.559 You wouldn't think that a lot of people have been 181 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.720 questioning whether vincec Man has completely lost it. And I 182 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:08.159 say that through the eyes of a network executive. If 183 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:10.240 you're a Fox executive and you've seen these ratings drop 184 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:14.399 even below one point nine million couple times recently, and 185 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.559 you're maybe online or you have people haven't's telling you 186 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:20.159 know Vince has lost it, and you're thinking what did 187 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:21.639 we buy and how bad is this going to be? 188 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:23.639 And all that, and Vince has sold you a bill 189 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:26.320 of goods saying we're gonna be fine. We got some 190 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:28.759 big names coming up, some big angles at summer Slim season, 191 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.399 and we're going to ram things up. You know, we've 192 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:34.519 been laying low, you know, delivering a good product, but 193 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:36.840 we understand it's just the crowd is such an important 194 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:38.639 part of things. There's certain things we want to do 195 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:40.879 in front of them. If you're a Fox executive and 196 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:42.600 you tune into this, I think you think you have 197 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:46.200 a red hot product and anything that isn't translating to 198 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:48.320 a viewership, which, by the way, last Friday viewership was 199 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:50.759 really good, you know, a big jump to around two 200 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:52.720 point three million from the one point nine ish they 201 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.679 had been doing. A network executive is going to look 202 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.879 and go, oh yeah, okay. The fan base there's big 203 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:02.320 arena in Cleveland and they're all going crazy for this product. 204 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:06.200 So Vince is doing something right. The vincick Mann vision 205 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.600 isn't what I read online. It is and that's a 206 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:12.360 kind of validation that vincient man needed and nobody knew 207 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:14.360 if he was going to get it. And part of it. 208 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:16.879 I mean, I think the fact that Seen is getting 209 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:19.039 ninety nine percent cheered and Rains is getting ninety seven 210 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:22.759 percent booed. My numbers might be two three four percent 211 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:24.399 off either way, But I mean, I don't think much 212 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:29.919 more than that is surprising, or at least it wasn't 213 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:33.879 a sure thing. And Edge is getting like really nice responses. 214 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.080 It just feels like the fans are lined up with 215 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:40.799 the storylines that are being told. Part of that is 216 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:42.440 the shows are just more exciting than they were three 217 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:44.519 weeks ago too. You know, they're doing more and putting 218 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:48.159 more out there. But to me, this was a validating 219 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:54.480 crowd reaction for Vince McMahon and a lively crowd, and 220 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:56.799 I'm you know, I'm typing up my report and get 221 00:11:56.840 --> 00:11:59.519 ready for the podcast, and it's like there's you know, 222 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:01.039 Edge Ed said on his way to the ring of 223 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:02.759 the al you guys have no idea what this means 224 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:03.799 to me and what this does for me. And he 225 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.200 said it in the ring on MIC, but he said 226 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.720 it sort of off mic on his way to the ring. Like, 227 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:10.559 I think, as a viewer of wrestling, there is an 228 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:14.519 energy level now that you sort of forgot is actually 229 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:17.279 a pretty important component of the two hour viewing experience 230 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:20.200 of a show like SmackDown, and I'm feeling it. And 231 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:22.519 part of it is I'm feeling it because the crowds cheering, 232 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:24.720 but I also sense the wrestlers feel it and it's 233 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.399 elevating their work and their energy level. I thought, Rain's 234 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:30.240 in his promo, and we will get into that after 235 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:34.240 we get deeper into the show. He was having a blast, 236 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.440 like I've never seen him have more fun at his 237 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.600 job than maybe tonight. Like, I think he's really having 238 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:43.799 a blast on that promo and likes bringing this character 239 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:44.919 in front of a live audience. 240 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.240 I think so too. I think this isn't a phenomenon 241 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:56.919 that's limited to professional wrestlers. Any any performing artist feeds 242 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:02.320 off of a live crowd, and if that's a big 243 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:07.240 part of your life, if it's a hobby or a career, 244 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:11.399 to be deprived of that for well over a year 245 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:18.240 can probably be a crippling feeling. And I have no 246 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:20.480 doubt in my mind that there is a total feeling 247 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:25.399 of legitimate elation with even with Roman, who he can't 248 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:28.320 show it the same way that Edge can or John Cena. 249 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:32.559 Can you know what I mean? And that's an energy 250 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:34.080 they're going to get from the crowd, and they're going 251 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:38.039 to feed it back into the crowd. And you, despite 252 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.759 how good of performers they may be, they can't quite 253 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:44.679 achieve that same level in a thunderdome, even no matter 254 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:46.039 how many awards it's won. 255 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:51.559 Wait, yes, and how much acclaim that critics such as I. 256 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:53.120 Have hidden it? Yep? 257 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:54.159 Yes? 258 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:57.039 Yes, all right, Well, lot to talk about on the show. 259 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.600 Will pause, set the table, introduce ourselves and bring callers 260 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:02.919 and emails into it. This is the Wade Keller Pro 261 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:06.879 Wrestling Post show for Friday, July twenty third, twenty twenty one. 262 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.080 I'm Wade Keller. 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Yesterday on the 306 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:30.120 Way Killer Prestlining podcast, we had a special Pollerendorff tribute 307 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:36.360 episode featuring a never before heard interview that I conducted 308 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.679 with Paulleren'dorff thirty years ago when he was running a 309 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:40.559 bowling alley and not sure if you'd return to wrestling, 310 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.279 reflecting on his top drawing feud with Hulk Hogan. 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Pw torch 341 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.599 dot com slash go VIP for full details on a 342 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:31.839 commercial free listening experience, and with a full VIP membership, 343 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.920 you can create custom feeds for individual shows or groups 344 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:37.920 of shows by theme, and also unlock nearly four decades 345 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.400 of archives and access our ad free website with VP 346 00:18:41.559 --> 00:18:45.240 exclusive content. Pw torch dot com slash go VIP. Your 347 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:46.920 time is valuable, and that's one of the reasons we 348 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.839 offer v I P membership. Pw torch dot com slash 349 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:59.920 go vi i P. Let's uh, Let's begin with area 350 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:09.599 code four four zero. This is uh caller from Cleveland, 351 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:12.039 and I believe it is dumb. Maybe he attended tonight. 352 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:19.039 Hey Domay, Hey Waite, how are you doing dumb here? 353 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:22.519 Just letting out from Rockets Mortgage field House. 354 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:25.880 Awesome, good. I appreciate you calling. It's always great here 355 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:28.480 from people who were on site. Especially at a kick 356 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:31.119 off the show. We get a little concourse or outside 357 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:35.200 the arena atmosphere, which I always enjoy, even if slightly disruptive. 358 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:38.640 It brings us to the building and it's worth it. 359 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:41.519 Yeah, it's a little while hit two because they're also 360 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:44.559 just allowed out the Cleveland Indians game next door. So wow, Oh, 361 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.319 I guess the Guardians now excuse me, not yet. They 362 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:48.480 just chased the name today. 363 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:50.400 But what does that today? 364 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:50.799 Whatever? 365 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:54.039 Yeah, but it's a great, great atmosphere. Well, it was 366 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.920 announced the new name today, yes, the Guardians. Yeah, so 367 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:00.279 I didn't go over too well. I believe See used 368 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:02.440 it in his opening promo and folks were bowing it 369 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:03.440 either if you notice. 370 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:04.920 How do you feel about it? 371 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:05.119 So? 372 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:08.680 First I wanted to just mention that I thought that 373 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:10.920 the crowd was definitely into the show. The energy was 374 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:13.839 kind of roller coaster like people would jump out of 375 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:16.440 their seats when the engine started. But even before the 376 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:18.559 wrestlers made it to the rings, people that had already 377 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:21.000 kind of turned down a bit. And you can see 378 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:23.279 most of the baby faces anyway, really trying to keep 379 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:25.200 the crowd into it with the gestures and motions and 380 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:28.480 so forth. But I mean that being said, it wasn't 381 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:30.839 like there wasn't any energy in the building outside of 382 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:34.559 maybe the women's match that I loved. I mean, I 383 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:36.200 know that I thought that my friend that came with 384 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.440 me left because they're both huge fans of both Linde 385 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.880 Vega and Tony Storm. But the crowd was pretty I mean, 386 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.279 they were pretty quiet for at least dead silent for Jelena, 387 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.279 and then Tony had a good pop. But I mean, 388 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:50.319 certainly the vibe that Vilay was pretty low for that. 389 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:52.920 But otherwise it was a good show. People loved, you know, 390 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:57.200 they loved Edge Rollins is over and I'll tell you what, Matt, 391 00:20:57.599 --> 00:20:59.960 people love the head of the table here in Cleeveland, 392 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:03.799 and lots of especially with the females. I'll admit, we 393 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:05.319 saw a lot of women, a lot of the moms 394 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:07.759 in the crowd all had head of the table Roman 395 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:10.880 Reigns acknowledged the shirt song, So that was pretty interesting 396 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:13.519 to see and just thinking about it because I watched 397 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:15.759 both a W and WWE, and it's like, you know, 398 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:18.319 all these folks talking about the war and everything. It's 399 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:21.960 such a completely different demographic between the shows that you 400 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:24.119 know when you you definitely see it as you know, 401 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:26.640 in the Lives audience, it's, uh, you know, it's more 402 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:28.720 of a family show. It's like, you know, these women 403 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:31.680 aren't gonna gonna bring their kids to go see these 404 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.880 matches look a little bit more hardcore than they like 405 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.680 to and that's okay. There's a crowd for that, and 406 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:39.960 there's a crowd for this and there doesn't need to 407 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.680 be just one. So I just, you know, want to 408 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:45.200 make that clear. But you know, otherwise, you know, it 409 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:47.359 was it was definitely a good time, a good turnout. 410 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:48.799 They had a past all the way up to the 411 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:49.599 second row. 412 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:50.279 Uh. 413 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:53.119 We had a dark match afterwards. It was Seena and 414 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:57.960 the Mysterios versus Roman Reigns and Usso's Roman Reigns of 415 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:01.039 course didn't really get physical. Seen he went in there 416 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:04.119 for a second beat on Dominic and then he left 417 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:07.079 and the users that defend for themselves and ultimately lose 418 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:07.519 the match. 419 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:12.519 Why did behind them? You can hear me, why why 420 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:13.240 did Rains leave? 421 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:17.640 You know, it's it's you know, because he's saying you know, 422 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:21.960 classic heel moves. You know, we've seen him abandoned people 423 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:24.400 in the ring before and kind of let them know 424 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:27.119 where they stand and and that sort of thing. So, 425 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:30.160 uh yeah, I was very nervous about the whole rolling 426 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.640 loud thing with the simulcast. I'm glad that we got 427 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:36.559 Bickie and Apollo live because that was the murgacy down there, 428 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:39.599 and then we only saw like a couple of minutes. 429 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:43.079 Really they they tuned into the rolling Loud for just 430 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:44.839 a handful of nets for us to be to finish. 431 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:47.799 And that was cool because I mean when it got announced, 432 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:49.119 I was like, well, what the hell, we're gonna have 433 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:51.640 to watch the Titan profors and matches. But it wasn't 434 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:53.759 that way. So I'm glad that w W, you know, 435 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:56.440 Phil catered to their you know, their their turnout here 436 00:22:56.480 --> 00:22:59.720 in Cleveland. But I know that was a lot because 437 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:01.599 I'm sure when I'm gonna lose you here and I 438 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:02.960 just want not sure I fit in as much as 439 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:05.359 I could remember any questions for me? 440 00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:07.680 Yeah, let me throw a couple at you and then Mike, 441 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:10.680 I'll throw them Mike too. How you you talked about 442 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.400 they only showed part of the rolling uh, the the 443 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.240 Miami based matches, and I want to say Rolling Rock 444 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.000 and what did they what happened in the building during 445 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:21.799 the rest of the time. 446 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:27.119 I'm sorry, what was the question? 447 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:28.720 What happened there? 448 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:31.799 How much did they show the rolling loud on TV? Then? 449 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:33.480 Because we only saw a couple of minutes. 450 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:36.839 Yeah, so what did they show otherwise? Like we saw 451 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:39.240 the full match, you know, the full matches. 452 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.640 They didn't show really much of anything, Like we just 453 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:45.279 saw them show and they said, hey, we're going to 454 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:48.480 show on everyone direct their attention to the Titan Droun 455 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:50.759 or the you know, the big screen. We're going to 456 00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:53.799 tune into the final moments of the women's championship match 457 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:54.640 and rolling out. 458 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:56.240 And that was it. 459 00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:58.119 I mean we you know, we watched it. Like I said, 460 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:00.839 just a couple of minutes came uh you know, get 461 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:04.599 her uh that Paul in Angels style kind of powered 462 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:08.279 momb sig and then uh, you know, Bianca obviously countered 463 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.119 and then finished and got the win. It was kind 464 00:24:10.119 --> 00:24:12.480 of interesting. I mean, I mean, they're gonna put a 465 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:14.519 show on it a non conventional wrestling crowd. I mean, 466 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:16.519 they're gonna get directions, they're going to get I mean, yeah, 467 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:19.680 if they if AID made a couple of fans out 468 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:22.039 of it, seek some interest, and oh yeah, I'm great 469 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.559 for that. But of first I would have rather see uh, 470 00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:26.039 Carmela and Bianca live. 471 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:29.400 What So there was nothing special going on in the arena. 472 00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:30.480 Was there just downtime? 473 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:30.880 Like? 474 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:33.799 Was it just lights were down and people went to. 475 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:38.400 Downtime typical commercial break style a few minutes, didn't really 476 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:38.839 notice it. 477 00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:41.400 Okay, well that's so you lose a crowd. The crowd 478 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:43.680 wasn't just sending their chanting beat, you know, bullshit or 479 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:45.480 anything like that when the where there wasn't a match 480 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:46.720 going on for that twenty three. 481 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.759 Definitely not definitely not yeah, I was I'm telling you man, 482 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.880 I think they definitely were. Were in the Roman Reigns 483 00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.440 over there a lot of USO's, Like I don't know 484 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:01.920 if it's like very earlier, they were two for dusos 485 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:03.960 to wear in that dark match, which is kind of 486 00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:06.839 interesting because I mean, I don't know, i'd materials seemed 487 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:08.920 to be really over in the first SmackDown that was 488 00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:12.799 live in front of fans. Weren't that over here in Cleveland, Dom? 489 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.799 It did not come across to me on television that 490 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:18.400 Rains was getting many cheers at all and that Sina 491 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.680 was getting food much at all. What percent, if you 492 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:24.680 can hear me, what what percent of the crowd was 493 00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.319 cheering Rains? Did it seem from where you were sitting. 494 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.880 Definitely more than half. I would say a good sixty 495 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:37.240 percent more than half for sure. And I mean there 496 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:39.119 wasn't I mean, there was a handful of boosts, but 497 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:41.319 there was a lot of signs for Rains. And it 498 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:43.160 was interesting because I had a sign of my own. 499 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:45.920 I had the Boogs equals rating sign. I don't know 500 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.920 if anyone saw it, just left as the hardcam and 501 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:52.519 anytime they seem out slightly, I was like lower level. 502 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.400 But I kept trying to see, like what signs they 503 00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.599 were showing, and they only showed just like one little 504 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.400 Rinkie Roman sign every now and then when he came out. 505 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.799 But there were tons like well, you guys all saw 506 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:07.119 the one that was like right front row, I'm sure, 507 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:08.880 but other than that, like there was a lot of 508 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.839 rain times. Head of the table was like less right, 509 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.440 well was definitely the majority of the signs I saw 510 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:16.480 was for the head of TA Yeah. 511 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:17.200 Dom. 512 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:20.519 This is a weird bit of synchronicity that I haven't 513 00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:24.200 experienced something quite like this before. But I saw your 514 00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:27.039 sign on the broadcast. I made a note of it 515 00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:30.000 in my head. I really appreciated it, and I talked 516 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.720 about it in the opening of this broadcast. 517 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.400 So you're all over, Oh, that's amazing, that's amazing. 518 00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:37.440 That was really cool. 519 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:39.720 Like I've been watching him on YouTube for a while. 520 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.039 It's just like a fitness influencer. I think he's great. 521 00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:46.000 He really knows his stuff when it comes to fitness 522 00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.799 and training bodybuilding, and I respect him for that. The 523 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.279 casual fans, I've been on the show before and I've 524 00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.400 talked about like my quote unquote Jock's friends, and they 525 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:58.319 don't buy Daniel Bryant, they don't buy CM pump, but 526 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:01.039 I've shown them this guy. They know that he has 527 00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.720 credit from other bodybuilders that are popular. It's just and 528 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:06.200 they love them. Like I think if they just took 529 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.279 his gimmick crank it up by eleven or twelve whatever, 530 00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:11.119 you want to call it, crank it up to the match, 531 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.160 let him run with it. That whole mindset thing. It's 532 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:16.440 a mindset guy that I like. I'm just just trying 533 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.920 to get a chant like put in Boots, like put 534 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:21.680 in Boston and people. As I was holding my side, 535 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:24.680 doctor Ring, I definitely got some chance for Boot. But 536 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:27.240 he's still he's still definitely very green, and I get it. 537 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:29.599 But I'm just trying to get him some exposure and 538 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.039 do what I can't because I think he has what 539 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.759 it takes. And you know, that's that's what I got 540 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:36.519 to say on that. But I know I'm taking up 541 00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:38.799 a ton of time. A buddy's kind of waiting on 542 00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:40.920 me to get going to But if you have a 543 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:42.359 last question, I'm happy to take it. 544 00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.839 I think I was like a fall up an sure, yeah, yeah, Mike, 545 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:46.640 do you want to ask anything? 546 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.759 I can't top that, I don't think. I'm just like 547 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:54.480 this is exciting, like this energy and hearing what Tom 548 00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:57.039 just said about Boogs and getting to support him in 549 00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:58.799 a way that he hasn't been able to do in 550 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:02.240 so long, and right there in front of us, it's happening. 551 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:05.880 You know, that is really cool. That's exciting to hear. 552 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:07.039 Well, do I know you right? 553 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.039 That's definitely something that Yeah, I'm happy, you know, with 554 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.319 the live crowds coming back they can get a little 555 00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:16.440 bit more organic crowd reaction because that's that's really what 556 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:18.839 it's all about. And all that piped in noise and 557 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.720 everything from the Thunderdome, if they continue to try to 558 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:24.839 do that and mask anything, that's really shame on them 559 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.000 because just just push the right people and listen to 560 00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.680 the fans, and I you know, that's all I gotta 561 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:33.240 say on that. I mean, it's it's right there for them. 562 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:35.519 And I don't know if it's just because they're publicly 563 00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:37.720 traded and they're and they're trying to do something else 564 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.960 or who knows, but they've they've got the talent and 565 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.839 it's just a matter of that's just you guys know 566 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:46.559 you've heard this all before. So I'll let you guys 567 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:48.480 get going. I got to run in. Thanks so much 568 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.160 for taking a call. I'm looking forward to listening to 569 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.799 the rest of the podcast tomorrow on VP. You guys, uh, 570 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.640 if you ever suscribe, go for it. Even the Patreon 571 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.400 it's a little more economic model. Go sign up for 572 00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:01.519 the lowest drip, the very look at your money's worth. 573 00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.480 Thank you for the plug Dom, Thanks for your entertaining 574 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:06.000 enthusiast you bet take care. 575 00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:12.200 Hey everyone, Greg Parks here. You've probably heard me hosting 576 00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:14.440 Wrestling Night in America after pay per views and also 577 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.200 co hosting the Tuesday Flagship with Wade Keller. I also 578 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:20.119 host a VIP exclusive podcast every week called Greg Parks 579 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.759 Out Loud. In this podcast, I delve into a single 580 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.960 topic for around twenty minutes, perfect length for one of 581 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.720 your daily commutes or while walking the dog. 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And other times you can hear 602 00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.640 the crowd in the background still mulling around, or the 603 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.599 baseball game letting out, and and you know, the ontite 604 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:31.480 correspondence have a beer two or three in them and 605 00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.559 the adrenaline is flowing, and it's it's uh, it's fun. 606 00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:36.599 It's it's a cool, cool part it is. 607 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.279 And I'll never get tired of the errant Rick Flair 608 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.440 wuz in the background, like around a wrestling event. 609 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:44.559 Totally. 610 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.519 It's like I know where I am and it's. 611 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:50.480 Comforting, absolutely all right. Our phone number is UH. And 612 00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.039 by the way, we expect her from somebody else who 613 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.680 was on site also, so UH stay tuned. Dom was 614 00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:58.119 an unexpected surprise, but we do have someone else likely 615 00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.839 calling in as out by the way, as always, if 616 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:05.839 you're attending a future Raw or SmackDown or AW Dynamite 617 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:08.799 or for that matter, we're also looking for and this 618 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.000 is more typing up results, but any of the super shows, 619 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.680 any of the house shows. Please send results of any 620 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.319 house shows you attend. You can email to a regular 621 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:20.880 email Weadkeller Podcast at pw torch dot com. But if 622 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:22.680 you're going to attend on site for one of the 623 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.200 live TV shows Rossmackdown or Dynamite especially, but also pay 624 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:28.799 per views, and if you're attending an NXT taping, that's 625 00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.039 cool too, let me know because we'd love to bring 626 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.119 you on or at least anticipate and prioritize your call 627 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.839 when you call in. And so if you are going 628 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:42.440 to be in Kansas City on Monday, we're still looking 629 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.880 to lock down a correspondent for Kansas City, and I 630 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.039 think we had someone lined up and they're not going 631 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:54.200 because of the COVID outbreak. And also Chicago. I believe 632 00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:55.880 we've got a couple of people for Charlotte lined up, 633 00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.079 but also AW back in Jacksonville. I think we got 634 00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.000 an email on that, but we're always looking for more 635 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.519 more than one and certainly backups, and then Pittsburgh and Tulsa, 636 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:11.000 San Antonio, Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Diego, Oklahoma City, any 637 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:14.680 of those shows come up Cincinnati for John Moxley's homecoming. 638 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:18.440 We're going into into September here. Let me know if 639 00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.119 you're willing to be an on site correspondent, it will 640 00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.039 accommodate you and make it, you know, work work in 641 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:26.400 your schedule then so just email me Wade Keller Podcast 642 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:31.000 at PW torch dot com. If you really want to 643 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.279 be on the show, then just email. If you don't 644 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.319 want to be on the show unless you're absolutely needed, 645 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:40.160 because on occasion we only have one volunteer, and but 646 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:41.880 sometimes we have more than one. But if you sort 647 00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:43.839 of want to be the emergency backup, like if no 648 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.839 one else emails, I'll help out, but I I'd rather 649 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.119 not just say that, And that makes it easier to 650 00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.759 choose between volunteers. If if we sort of have a 651 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:54.480 sense of who really wants to be on and and 652 00:32:54.559 --> 00:33:00.200 who's fine being an emergency backup. All right, let's let's 653 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.319 go to our next call here. We'll go to I believe, Houston, 654 00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.119 Texas Area CO three four to six. Uh, this is 655 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.720 you go ahead state your name and Confirmerray calling. 656 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.720 From Yes, this is Tyler. 657 00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.160 Hey Tyler from Houston. 658 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:12.599 Cool. 659 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:13.599 Thanks Tyler, could hear from you? 660 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:14.079 Yes? 661 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:15.200 How you doing good? 662 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:15.480 Good? 663 00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:16.240 Well? 664 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:17.359 What do you think it's back on tonight? 665 00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:19.319 Uh? Uh? 666 00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:21.200 It wasn't bad, man. 667 00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.680 I you know, I feel like SmackDown's been the premier show. 668 00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:28.480 I I barely tune into Raw because that that show is. 669 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.279 I feel like he's very skilled. To me right now, 670 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:35.480 I'm a huge Roman Range fan. I'm one person who's 671 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.839 so ecstatic that he didn't lose his title against Edge. 672 00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:40.519 But this show, man, it was good. 673 00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.680 I was actually I was actually quite excited to I 674 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.559 like how they're they're not jumping to John Cena right away, 675 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.440 and they're putting Finn Balor in there with Roman. That's 676 00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.720 that's pretty that's pretty creative, man. It's something that I 677 00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:56.440 don't think we would have seen Vince or the w 678 00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:58.000 W creative team do in the past. 679 00:33:58.119 --> 00:33:59.640 Because I like it. 680 00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:04.519 It's not making Finn Balor look squashed when he comes 681 00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.119 on the show, and I like that because that man 682 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.840 doesn't deserve too. And then the I mean, I like, 683 00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.639 you know, the rolling lad that I wasn't too big 684 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.679 of a fan, because it looked like those fans weren't 685 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.239 even interested in wrestling, and it looks like, while y'all 686 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.519 were speaking earlier, like the fans couldn't even see the ring. 687 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:23.599 I wasn't too I wasn't. 688 00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.280 Too big on that, but overall, I mean, it was 689 00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:26.639 it was. 690 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:28.719 It was an Ari show. I you know, I'm a 691 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:33.239 scene fan too, so I'm really excited about that there 692 00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:38.400 little ultimate match that's gonna happen. But now I think 693 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:40.000 I think the ending was a perfect way to end 694 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.960 the show. Leaves a little intrigue to what's really gonna happen. 695 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:46.159 Of course, I know we're probably gonna go into a 696 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.880 Summer Slam showing with Sena and Rains again. But you know, 697 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.920 Finn Balor, I mean, that's a nice little pissedop in 698 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:54.440 between that. 699 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:59.719 Yeah, I got the impression they wanted it to be ambiguous. Mike, 700 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:03.280 when that Rains Baler match was going to happen, did 701 00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:05.400 you get a sense of what they were Is it 702 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:07.760 for next Friday or is that to be determined or 703 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:09.400 are they trying to make people think it's going to 704 00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:11.719 be Summer Slim instead of Scene to kind of get 705 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.519 people worked up. Although I don't think you want to 706 00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.920 put Balor a week after it returns in as sort 707 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:16.639 of the backup plan. 708 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.559 Yeah, I didn't. My ears kind of perked up at 709 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:22.440 the end of the at the end of the show 710 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.599 because I was waiting for them to say next week 711 00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:28.760 it's booked or something like that, but it didn't. Yeah, 712 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.880 so I think it is ambiguous. I doubt it will 713 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.280 be next week because I think you know as much 714 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.840 as Finn Balor. I'm sure we'll purport to want it 715 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.199 next week. There'll be some red tape thrown up by 716 00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:44.760 Roman or Paul Hayman, and it'll get delayed because we've 717 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:48.800 got like a full month between now and SummerSlam, yep, 718 00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:53.840 which is seen as kind of that placeholder for Roman, 719 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:58.159 it seems, and so they don't there's no need to 720 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.519 go right up against Ballert next week, so they can 721 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.400 build up to it and they'd be better for it. 722 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:09.599 And I'm glad, like Tyler said, I'm glad that they 723 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.679 inserted Balor into the Roman storyline here, even if it 724 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:18.280 is just a stop gap until SummerSlam, because it's better 725 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:25.920 for Finn than just like a feuding with Sammy's ain 726 00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:29.039 for two months or something like that, right, Like, I 727 00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.480 don't know, that's not probably why you want to bring 728 00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:34.880 him up here, although they could do something really special 729 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.760 if they were allowed to, I think. But anyway, Yeah, 730 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:44.239 I do think it's a cool thing to like to 731 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.840 bide our time before SummerSlam Roman and Finn, and I'd 732 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:50.440 like to see how that develops and probably how Roman 733 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.800 resists a match right right out of the gate next week. 734 00:36:54.119 --> 00:37:03.360 Yeah, Tyler back to you, Yeah, definitely, So yeah, any 735 00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:04.760 other thoughts on aspect on you want to. 736 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:15.400 Yeah, I just my question is kind of about SmackDown, y'all. 737 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.400 Y'all mentioned I don't know when this match will happen. 738 00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.039 I don't know if it's gonna happen next week. But 739 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.760 something I was something that was floating in the back 740 00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:25.960 of my head. Do you think there's any chance in 741 00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:30.400 do you think that they would insert Finn into the 742 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:35.519 John Scena Roman range match at SummerSlam? So if if 743 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.960 Rains were to lose, John Cena or Finn, Balor could 744 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.000 take the pins and so Roman doesn't look weak. 745 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:48.519 Yeah, I don't think so. I think they're going to 746 00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:51.480 want a one on one match. I think fans today 747 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.800 are wise to the fact that triple threats are sort 748 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:58.039 of cop outs, so that somebody can avoid losing a 749 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.519 championship but still walk out with out of title and 750 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.519 there's a new champ, but the new champ hasn't been 751 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:05.119 the incumbent champ. I think people are wise to that, 752 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.320 and I think Summer Slam is a marque enough event 753 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:11.280 they would not do that there, And I think seene 754 00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:13.400 of Rains, I don't think there's a reason to save it. 755 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:14.679 I mean if they want to do it again out 756 00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:17.599 of WrestleMania some day. I mean, just it's strong, you 757 00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:19.960 don't need to add a third person, So I think 758 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:21.719 the odds of that are very low. I think balor 759 00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:23.760 in Rains is a bridge to get a little closer 760 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:26.440 to SummerSlam, which is, as Mike pointed out, as a 761 00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:28.039 month away. Mike, your thoughts on that. 762 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:35.559 Yeah, I think I agree. It's good for Finn that 763 00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:40.719 they're putting him anywhere near Roman reigns right now, like 764 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.480 that that might be a surprise to a lot of 765 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.280 people considering his sort of background on the main roster. 766 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.159 In his an unexpected injury, you know, as compared with 767 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:56.159 the expected injury I guess, but he yeah. I think 768 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.800 the way the teasing has gone for SummerSlam, the way 769 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:04.599 that Sina has talked about SummerSlam, the way the gusto 770 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:08.920 with which he's called out Roman uh would really be deflated. 771 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:11.360 I think by adding a third person. 772 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:16.440 Yep, I do too. I do too. It's next level 773 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.280 coverage that you come to expect from the PW Torch brand. 774 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:24.159 No AI, no rookie perspectives, no unfounded rumors, no clickbait, 775 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.880 no deceptive headlines, just just high quality writing, breaking news 776 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.320 and fascinating flashbacks every day at PW torch dot com. 777 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.239 Pull yourself away from the vacuous social media experience that 778 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:36.400 I know many of you regret once you get lost 779 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.679 in it for minutes, if not hours at a time, 780 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:48.320 and settle in for high quality PW Torch branded wrestling coverage. Uh, Tyler, 781 00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:49.440 any closing words for you? 782 00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:54.760 I want want y'all want y'all stop man? Uh once 783 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.239 y'all saw in general, there's something that in touch man. 784 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:03.039 One one is uh, who do you all think is 785 00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:06.280 next up for Beyonca Bella or do you think it's 786 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.119 Becky Lynch? And in the end, do you do you 787 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:11.880 see John Cena dethroning Roman reigns at SummerSlam. 788 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.480 Two good questions. Thanks for a call, Tyler. We've got 789 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:17.800 our on site correspondent, Robert on deck by the way. 790 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:19.360 Uh So we'll get to you in a second Robert here. 791 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:23.320 I think Rains holds onto the title, Mike, that's my 792 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:25.880 early prediction. I want to see kind of how the 793 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.800 evan flow of the storyline goes before making any kind 794 00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.800 of final call, uh, in terms of or, you know, 795 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:33.599 a stronger, more confident pick. But I think they keep 796 00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:35.559 Rain's champ. You know, I think there's a way to 797 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:37.400 I mean, seeing it's not full time and Rain it's 798 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:38.719 going to be around all the time. So I think 799 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:40.639 for a variety of reasons, and and I think they 800 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:43.119 want to keep Rain strong for other big name opponents 801 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.159 that that might be coming back. I think next challenger 802 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:49.880 will either be Sasha Banks or Becky Lynch. You know, 803 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.400 Bailey's out a long time, and I don't know anyone 804 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:56.719 else who's ready. It's awkward because they just don't have 805 00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:00.079 like the ready made plug and play heels, and I 806 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.280 don't think they want to turn bel Air heel anytime soon. 807 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.119 So it is a it's a challenge to come up 808 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:08.440 with a particularly long list of logical opponents. But we 809 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.559 do have the draft this fall, so they don't have 810 00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:13.280 to fill a lot of time, and then they can 811 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.519 kind of rearrange some things. If the ideas move Ripley 812 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:20.360 over there as a heel or move Charlotte over the 813 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.159 SmackDown as a heel, that sets them up a little better. 814 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:23.800 Mike your thoughts. 815 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:29.079 Uh, Yeah, Banks and Lynch one of the first two 816 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.440 things that came into my mind because of the excitement 817 00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.519 level and the idea of bringing them back for a 818 00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:40.199 big one of the Big four shows. Lynch packs a 819 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:42.559 little more excitement, I think because of how long she's 820 00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:48.920 been out of the picture completely. So yeah, and if 821 00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:53.000 it's if it is Banks, that's cool too, because another 822 00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:56.239 match between Banks and bel Air would be super cool. 823 00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.960 As for Roman and Sena. If it is a say 824 00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.320 those matches Summer Slam, I would totally think Roman hangs 825 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:08.920 onto it. If they ever had of a main event 826 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:13.360 heel that should have a long title run. In recent history, 827 00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.559 it's Roman reigns and he needs to hang on to it. 828 00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:22.239 And I'm not like, why, why do I want to 829 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:26.400 see Scena win the belt from Roman. In terms of 830 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:31.760 my interest in the TV shows, you know, I don't 831 00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:38.079 and and man, I'm I'm totally with Todd out seen 832 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:42.639 as end, Like I can't take him seriously if he's 833 00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:46.840 going to continue to dress like this. And I still 834 00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:49.079 think that if he's inspired, he can cut a hell 835 00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.360 of a promo. But it reminds me of like like 836 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:57.360 the stories about the Nixon and Kennedy presidential debates and 837 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:02.760 who different people thought the one or the other one 838 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.199 becauding that if they heard the radio version or if 839 00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:07.280 they saw it on television, and it's like if I 840 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.480 saw if I heard Seena on radio, I might think 841 00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.280 he's the killer promo. But when I see him on 842 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:16.800 TV wearing like a rack of kids clothing like from Cole's, 843 00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:21.760 then I can't take him seriously and that bugs me. 844 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.360 And I thought this for a long time and I 845 00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:26.239 never got I don't think I've voiced it on the 846 00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.719 show before, but I wanted to because it's it looks 847 00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.559 so chinzy to me, and I feel like he could 848 00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:35.440 go so much, so much further with a fan like me. 849 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.880 Whatever I represent, if you address like a human being, 850 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.159 and maybe even if he left his speech the same 851 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:46.800 without it would be an immediate improvement. And then he 852 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.280 could make site tweaks to the speech to remove some 853 00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:53.119 of the corniness and be even better. Yet, And what 854 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:53.639 do you think of. 855 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.480 Rains calling him out on that? Like, I mean, you're 856 00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:58.599 cutting the promo Rains cut, which is this is the 857 00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.400 nostalgia scene? He said it with just disdain. 858 00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:06.440 Mm hmm yep. I wrote that down Nostalga acts, same music, 859 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:10.360 same outfit, same insults. And he compared it to having 860 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:12.679 sex in the missionary position every night, which was the 861 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:17.800 weirdest thing you'll hear on raw or smack down in 862 00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:18.519 a month or two. 863 00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.280 And the tribal chief don't do the missionary position. That 864 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.480 doesn't inspire him. Oh wait, was he talking about that 865 00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:24.360 or something else? 866 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.880 It was? It was classic, Yeah, it was. It was 867 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.400 right up there on the edge and it was on 868 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:34.239 the nose. That's what I was thinking, like when Roman 869 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.239 cut that promo on scene, and I'm like, yeah, that's 870 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.480 that's what I think, like as as a grown man, 871 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:44.599 you know. And I don't know if people what was 872 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:49.079 the desired response. Are people supposed to say boo that 873 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.719 and say no, we love the same old thing every 874 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.360 time scenever is rolled out here, and. 875 00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.960 I think Scena, I think, you know, that's from Sina's perspective. 876 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.639 He's thinking, well, if I'm self deprecating, that's gonna soften 877 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.000 I'm self aware and I'm self deprecating, and I do 878 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:11.000 think that softens the pushback. Also, you know, it unless 879 00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.599 he's gonna go like nWo Hollywood Hogan. Like if he's 880 00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:16.599 gonna you know, a major change. I don't even mean heal, 881 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:20.440 but like really change, you know, biker undertaker, A tweaking 882 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.079 him could have a backlash of its own, Like I mean, 883 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:25.800 maybe not, but you know, he might be fearful of that. 884 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:27.599 He's got this thing that works. He sells a lot 885 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.920 of T shirts and John Cena is the toddler in 886 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:33.039 the oversized T shirt and the georts or the cargo 887 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:37.000 pants and in the baseball cap. And you know, I 888 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.199 don't want to say it's like Biggie who doesn't want 889 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:41.440 to stray from a brought him here. You know, I'm 890 00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:44.159 just kind of goofy and wacky, and he doesn't want 891 00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.199 to show his real self. I just think it's a 892 00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.199 calculated move by Cina, and I think there's an audience 893 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.440 to be won over, if you know, like the Harry 894 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.519 Potter books, it get it, get It matures with its 895 00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:59.599 own audience and gets you know, you know, more layered 896 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.320 or whatever as the as it goes on, and Sena 897 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:05.559 could have and maybe his fan he's trying to create 898 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.039 a whole new generation of fans. But it's possible as 899 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:10.239 fans don't are kind of with rans. They don't want 900 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.920 this nostalgic Sena. They want a Sena that also feels 901 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.039 a little more grown up, you know, not a guy 902 00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:20.280 who's in his late twenties, you know, doing thaganomics, but 903 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.480 a guy who's in his forties who's acting a little 904 00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.400 more like a grown man. And it's interesting. I mean, 905 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:27.440 Seena got some good reactions and I will talk to 906 00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.199 Robert here in just a couple seconds. I'm curious what 907 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.639 it was like in the building from his perspective. But 908 00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:36.639 if Sena's getting almost all cheers, even from mostly guys 909 00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:38.960 in the crowd in addition to the families and the kids, 910 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.079 does that last or in a month? Are we sick 911 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.400 of him? And the people's more and more booze come 912 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:47.760 out because more people feel like you do. Mike, who 913 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:49.519 have tickets in hand and are going to these shows. 914 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:51.360 Yeah. 915 00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.360 I just I feel like, at this point in his career, 916 00:46:56.519 --> 00:47:00.400 wouldn't he crave something different or, if nothing else, have 917 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.280 some super curiosity about doing something different. Yes, and if 918 00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:06.760 you're if you're not going to do it now, then 919 00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:10.679 it's just not going to happen. And maybe he's maybe 920 00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:14.039 that thought never crossed his mind, but that that's that's 921 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.239 a foreign concept to me, Like I would. I would 922 00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:21.719 die wondering what if I had acted like a grown 923 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.440 man and dressed like one? And to branch out from 924 00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:27.639 that a little further, I even think the same thing 925 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.119 about Rains Now. Rains doesn't look like he's wearing a 926 00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:34.679 little kid costume, you know, where all the items, the hat, 927 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.280 the shirt, the wristbands, the pants, and the shoes all 928 00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.199 came on one gigantic plastic rack. But I don't I 929 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:42.800 actually don't even want to see Roman wearing any of 930 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.599 his own gear. I thought that like weeks ago when 931 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.719 I saw him wearing like a track jacket that had 932 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.119 the small like Roman Superman punch logo on it, and 933 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.559 tonight he was wearing the giant logo T shirt and 934 00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:59.760 I kind of wish that Roman was like fine with 935 00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:02.599 merch being sold and making money off of it, but 936 00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:06.039 being too cool to ever wear any of it. And 937 00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:09.119 I don't know those are kind of related. Yeah, some 938 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:11.159 wardrobe thoughts, I guess. 939 00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:14.679 Yeah, No, I think that's in a in a stuid point, 940 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:19.000 and I'm I wouldn't be shocked if they struggled with 941 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:24.000 that decision to have, you know, because Rain's wearing his 942 00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:28.239 own merchandise. It it s to me like Rain's not 943 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.880 wearing his own merchandise would be very it would be unique, 944 00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:33.840 It would be it would very much stand out from 945 00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:38.239 the pack where everyone is just sort of you know, yeah, 946 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:41.679 just marketing. They're walking billboards for their merchant. Rain seems 947 00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.960 like he would be above that. So but you know, 948 00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.239 you wear it if your rains, and you think the 949 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:49.920 fans think you're cool, even if they're paying money to 950 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:51.679 boo you, because that's the cool thing to do. And 951 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:53.199 I hope it continues to be the cool thing to do, 952 00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:55.840 booing him, not cheering him, if you're a fan of his, 953 00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.480 because that is what he's going for, at least I think. Still, 954 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:01.000 then you know, people are gonna want to buy your 955 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:02.760 merchandise because you're too cool to wear you e merch, 956 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:04.519 you know, so you might be honest me. 957 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:11.159 I'm Chris Maitland. I'm Justin McClelland we host Wrestling Coast 958 00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:13.320 to Coast, a podcast on independent wrestling. 959 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:15.880 Every week, Chris and I review a different show or 960 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:18.840 talk about important topics from around the indie wrestling world. 961 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.199 Learn about the hot underground stars and the future main eventors. 962 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.880 For anyone else, you can reach us at Torchcoast to 963 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.760 Coast at gmail dot com and me on Blue Sky 964 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:28.800 at Mind of Maitland. 965 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.119 You can reach me at Blue Sky at Justin McClelland. 966 00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:35.159 Find the show on your PW torch Dailycast podcast feed, 967 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.840 search PW Torch on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you 968 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:39.800 listen to podcasts. 969 00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.920 Also stream the latest shows on pwtorch dot com. 970 00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.880 Yeah, let's shift to Robert here, who attended the show 971 00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:56.119 tonight in Cleveland. Robert, thanks for thanks for holding in, 972 00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.960 Thanks for taking time to talk with us tonight. Did 973 00:49:59.039 --> 00:49:59.840 you have fun time tonight? 974 00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.000 Oh? Yes, thank you so much for having me. That 975 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:05.920 was great conversation there, So much of that is what 976 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.880 was on my mind most in leaving the show. But yeah, 977 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:15.039 this was great. This crowd was I think the crowd 978 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:17.519 is the attraction even for the people who are in 979 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:24.559 the crowd, And so everyone was really happy and very forgiving, 980 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:27.559 very giving, not really forgiven. There wasn't a lot to forgive, 981 00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.440 but they were just happy to be there and enthusiastic 982 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:32.840 about most of what happened. 983 00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:38.280 I want to not forget to ask this what percent 984 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.639 sheers versus booze? Did scene again? Did it change it all? 985 00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.639 As a promo went on? And then same question for Rains. 986 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:49.599 Regarding Rains, they it was solid for Sina, like the 987 00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:51.960 crowd did the things they were supposed to do. There 988 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:57.199 was not really any any dissension there like there was 989 00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:03.199 one time the very beginning of Sina's promo the first 990 00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:06.599 contrast that he made and I don't remember if a 991 00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.679 boo or a cheer would have been for Roman in 992 00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:11.480 the way that he set it up, but there was 993 00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:15.760 a little bit and then it just faded away after 994 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:17.960 that and they just like cheer all of the Sena 995 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.320 stuff and boo the Roman stuff. 996 00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:26.280 So then Roman came out on TV and Mike did 997 00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:28.360 it seem like Roman was like in the high nineties 998 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:31.360 being booed with some scattered cheers and the only chance 999 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.880 for anti Roman Mike through TV did does that match 1000 00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.199 does my perception Matt yours? Before? I asked Robert? But 1001 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:37.960 what was like in there? 1002 00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.800 I didn't hear so much booze for Roman. I heard 1003 00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:45.639 loud noises like, but I wouldn't equate them to cheers. 1004 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:49.000 It's kind of hard to describe there. I did detect 1005 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.280 a loud reaction to Roman, but not all booze, if 1006 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.000 that makes sense. I did sense it was more cheering 1007 00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:58.320 Sena and then make maybe allowed negative reaction to Roman. 1008 00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:01.280 Yeah, yeah, So Robert Todt talk about the the fan 1009 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:04.960 reaction to Roman in terms of percentage booze cheers and 1010 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:06.800 if that changed as the promo went on. 1011 00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:10.480 I agree. 1012 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:15.079 I did not hear cheers for Roman like I would 1013 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:18.920 say that it was a I guess the just negative 1014 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.079 noise maybe in the very beginning when he first came out, 1015 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:26.639 but as he talked, he earned his booze like there 1016 00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:29.480 were times when they definitely bowed when they were supposed. 1017 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.119 To boo When he made fun of Scena being a 1018 00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:35.159 nostalgia act. Did fans go, oh, no, you don't, that's 1019 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.599 our guy, or yeah, you've got a point. Now we 1020 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:40.239 kind of like you, like, was there any kind of 1021 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:42.440 shift as Rains seemed to be kind of having fun 1022 00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:44.159 roasting Sna a little. 1023 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.000 I don't think there was a There was not a 1024 00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:49.639 there was neither of those. 1025 00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:50.599 No, No, it wasn't. 1026 00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:53.480 I did not hear a he's our guy. 1027 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:55.760 I heard maybe a. 1028 00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:03.320 Momentary pause, but no. I was just thinking, like this 1029 00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:07.760 crowd didn't seem like they were going to just think 1030 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:09.760 that Roman was cool and start cheering him. But then 1031 00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:13.400 he would he would say other things that like more 1032 00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:17.400 much more clearly elicited a boo after that. But I 1033 00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:20.400 think for crowds who have already seen it at home 1034 00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.960 a couple of times, I'm not sure where they're going 1035 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:24.760 and what they want this to look like in a 1036 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:31.039 few weeks, because the missionary position line is like, you're 1037 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:33.639 really bordering on being a cool heel. You know, at 1038 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:38.559 that point or the earlier, your co host there said 1039 00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:44.239 play very astutely, and I don't remember the exact words 1040 00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.000 he used now, but he was doing things. Roman was 1041 00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:51.280 doing things that you know could very turn him into 1042 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:55.039 being a babyface, but not tonight, and he still did 1043 00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:58.199 things to like clearly get them to boo him, and 1044 00:53:58.280 --> 00:53:58.800 they did boo. 1045 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.280 Would he say missionary position? And I was thinking, Okay, 1046 00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:03.880 how's a crowdg gonna respond because now he's doing a 1047 00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:06.239 little ric flair, you know, like I go all night 1048 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.679 and you know what, you know. Yeah, so I was thinking, 1049 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:10.760 like is he gonna do and I won't call a 1050 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:14.559 cheap heat. It's just like MJF heat where he could go, yeah, 1051 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:16.679 you know, it's like doing the missionary position all night 1052 00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:18.440 and well, not that any of you would know about that, 1053 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:21.119 like you know, like some sort of dig at the 1054 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:23.000 audience to make sure they don't go on his side 1055 00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:25.920 and go, yeah to variety in bad as opposed, you 1056 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:29.400 know where instead the audience like, hey, that was mean, 1057 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.159 you know, like so he'd but he didn't do that. 1058 00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:35.559 And I'm curious if that is omission like he you know, 1059 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.679 it's like, oh, that's easy thing to say, but I'm 1060 00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:39.079 not going to go there because I'm a different kind 1061 00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:40.760 of heel. Or if he is going to kind of 1062 00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:42.840 go that direction, or if he feels he doesn't have 1063 00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:47.320 to because Rain's doesn't like MJFF, just he the fans 1064 00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.280 irritate him. Rain's sort of as a heel character I 1065 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.920 think is designed to not be to be nothing more 1066 00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.400 than slightly irritated by the fans, but it doesn't bother him. 1067 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:58.880 It's like someone tweeting something mean for some people at 1068 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:00.920 roots their day and they lash and other people like, well, 1069 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:02.320 I don't know who that person is and I don't care, 1070 00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:04.760 you know, like they just they don't give it another thought. 1071 00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:07.239 And I think that's Rain's thing, is like he'll he'll 1072 00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:09.280 smirk and roll his eyes like, well, you're an idiot, 1073 00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:11.960 but he'll move on. He won't give the fans that satisfaction. 1074 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:14.719 So I wonder if the strategy with Roman is I'm 1075 00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:16.639 not going to give you the satisfaction of bothering to 1076 00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:20.760 insult you, because you just need to acknowledge me I 1077 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:21.840 don't care about you otherwise. 1078 00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:26.400 And Wade, I did get the impression that is that 1079 00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:32.280 his idea was making an insult out of getting the 1080 00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.519 missionary position every night of the week. The idea, of course, 1081 00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.000 is none of these wrestling fans are getting the missionary 1082 00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:40.039 position any night of the. 1083 00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:41.519 Week, so it's implied. 1084 00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:46.039 It's implied. Yeah that's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Robert. 1085 00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:51.000 I think that it just would seem beneath him to 1086 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:54.840 just turn around and like ask the audience to respond 1087 00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:57.239 a certain way, you know, like he's cooler than that. 1088 00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.280 Yep, that's what. That's what again, And that's it's an 1089 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.800 obvious line, and I think it would work, but it 1090 00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:05.679 does seem like he's aiming for something different and like 1091 00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:08.159 it works. I'm pulling MGF out as an example we 1092 00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:10.639 can come up with up you know, Sammy's Ain or whoever. 1093 00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:13.960 Like you know, people who just are absolutely just their 1094 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:15.800 irritated by the audience. They sell the audience and they 1095 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:17.840 insult them and they delight in that. In Rains, yeah, 1096 00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:21.079 he feels too cool and above that, and he's more 1097 00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.039 focused on, you know, being acknowledged and tearing down scene. 1098 00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:27.840 Who's a big star? So, Robert, how full was the 1099 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.039 building all the way around? Not just on the opposite 1100 00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:34.320 the hard camera? How many seats were empty, even around 1101 00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:35.440 the herd camera and that kind of thing. 1102 00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.559 It was very full in the places where the seats 1103 00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:43.320 were open. So the two hundred section was partly topped off. 1104 00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:47.920 The stage, you know, is gigantic, and so there's a 1105 00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:50.000 lot of the arena that is just always going to 1106 00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.440 be tarped off for it with the crowd in sort 1107 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.920 of a horseshoe shape. The two hundred level was more 1108 00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:59.199 like a candy cane shape, and there was like the 1109 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.000 seats that were not tarped off were full. It was 1110 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:03.280 it felt very full in. 1111 00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:10.840 There, compared to say a Cavs game. What percentage of 1112 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:15.480 the seats were blocked off, not counting the inevitable block 1113 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:18.159 I know this is complicated, sorry, not counting what is 1114 00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:19.719 just gonna be there every week and they're never gonna 1115 00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:21.599 have tho seats available because it's the big the big screen. 1116 00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:23.679 I get that. But in terms of seats where they 1117 00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:26.679 could assign them, how many, like how many what percent 1118 00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:28.840 could they have not tarped off and. 1119 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:34.880 Sold on the It was the two hundred level. Fully 1120 00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:37.840 half of the two hundred level was tarped off, but 1121 00:57:37.960 --> 00:57:40.559 a good percentage of that would always be tarped off, 1122 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:46.239 so it was significantly less than half of the upper 1123 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:51.719 level only. And then I was across from the stage 1124 00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:54.920 and on the left side of the stage, the first 1125 00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:58.039 section was tarped off on the floor and on the 1126 00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:00.840 one hundred level also, and it didn't look like that 1127 00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:02.800 on the right. It was only like that on the left. 1128 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:08.679 So in short, they probably could have sold a couple 1129 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:11.400 thousand more seats if the demand was there, they could 1130 00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:15.960 have opened those seats up. Yeah that's fair. Fair, okay, Yeah, 1131 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:17.159 and that's kind of what I'm getting at. 1132 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:17.960 Yeah, that's fair. 1133 00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:19.079 But it wasn't a lot. 1134 00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:23.360 Yeah, and what was open was full. Yeah, but that's 1135 00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:26.159 by design. Now like that, everything's so sophisticated now. They 1136 00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:30.480 they will like our Thrash Stadium was set up for 1137 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:33.079 twelve thousand and then they sold those seats, are like, oh, well, 1138 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:34.559 we can fit a couple more thousand in, but they 1139 00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.480 want to announce a sellout, so we'll make it fourteen. 1140 00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.280 And then they sell fourteen. Oh well, let's let's go 1141 00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:42.159 two thousand more. Like that's what they do now, you know. 1142 00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:44.440 They want to say it's a sellout, and they don't 1143 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:47.599 want empty seats. So when seats are tarped off, that 1144 00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:49.639 actually is a sign of a slow pace of ticket 1145 00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.960 sales leading them to not expand the seating. And I 1146 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:53.719 don't want them to get away with that by claiming 1147 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:55.639 sellouts when they've got a whole upper deck that they 1148 00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:57.480 could have sold that they chose quote chose not to, 1149 00:58:57.840 --> 00:58:59.800 which is really reflective of demand not being there. 1150 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:04.679 Yeah, I think maybe thirty percent of the upper deck 1151 00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:10.079 and part of one section each of the floor and 1152 00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:11.800 one hundred section Yeah. 1153 00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:15.880 Yep, all right cool. Did you know that you can 1154 00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:19.599 enjoy commercial free versions of all of your favorite Wedkeler 1155 00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:22.840 podcasts and pw torch daily casts on Spotify. 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Might go ahead and 1174 01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:24.119 jump in with any question you have about the show 1175 01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:24.920 for Robert. 1176 01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:29.920 Yeah, Robert, approximately, can you tell us when's the last 1177 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.119 time you went to a pro wrestling show or a 1178 01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:33.039 WBE show. 1179 01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:38.440 Well, I go to like indie shows all the time, 1180 01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:45.840 but WWE it wouldn't have been long before things shut down, 1181 01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:50.039 like there was going to be a Yeah, maybe there's 1182 01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:51.880 I think I went to one in twenty twenty. 1183 01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:56.280 Okay. What I was trying to get at is if 1184 01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.719 you could detect any difference between the general crowd at 1185 01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:03.159 mesphere before and during the show and after the show 1186 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:07.480 then and now, I mean in the. 1187 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:10.239 Makeup of the crutter, in their attitudes or both, like. 1188 01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:12.599 The attitude and the energy of the crowd or did 1189 01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:13.400 it feel the same. 1190 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:19.239 No, it didn't feel the same. It felt like much happier, 1191 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:23.480 Like there was no there wasn't any chanting that was 1192 01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.199 like you know, breaking the fourth wall stuff and opposed 1193 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:29.519 to the company or the storylines that were being presented 1194 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:30.000 at all. 1195 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:34.800 Okay, Yeah, that's kind of interesting. I guess you would 1196 01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:39.039 maybe expect that a pre pandemic at a WBE show. 1197 01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:42.239 Another thing that I was wondering, and I hate to 1198 01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:44.199 ask about this because it was the same thing I 1199 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:48.599 was asking about from time to time before arenas were 1200 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:53.920 closed down. But at least at least three times tonight 1201 01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:57.559 and once in Miami as well. I think they did 1202 01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:01.360 a pretty big introduction with big Stock and then for 1203 01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:06.480 the broadcast cuts commercial. So did you is that the 1204 01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:09.480 same old, same old thing where they bring out a 1205 01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:11.880 big star like Big e the holder of the money 1206 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:17.159 and the bank contract cuts commercial. And then here in 1207 01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:20.519 Grand Rapids, Michigan, they things like that would happen and 1208 01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:22.719 then they would literally just dim the lights on the 1209 01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.800 star that just made his entrance while they aired commercials 1210 01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:28.440 on the screen. Yes, are they still doing that same bullshit? 1211 01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:34.280 It was different for each segment. Biggie, Actually we got 1212 01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:38.000 about half of the commercial break was live stuff happening. 1213 01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:44.760 Pat McAfee was featured. Yeah, like up on the big 1214 01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:48.000 screen it said McAfee minute, and he stood up on 1215 01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:53.519 the commentary table and he put over Biggie. He basically 1216 01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:57.960 told the crowd to chant you deserve it, and they 1217 01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:00.840 started chanting that during the commercial break at Big Ee, 1218 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:05.159 and then he was going for cheap pops, saying positive 1219 01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:08.679 things about Cleveland sports teams, and then he said that 1220 01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:12.039 Michael Cole disagreed with all of the positive things. 1221 01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:12.480 That he had got. 1222 01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:16.079 Well, that's funny, that's funny. 1223 01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:17.519 That was pretty awesome. 1224 01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:19.599 And then he sat down and it actually was only 1225 01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:23.119 about a minute, so then there was maybe two minutes 1226 01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:25.440 of darkness, but the McAfee stuff was pretty funny. 1227 01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:28.480 I'm just I'm more amazed that McAfee was able to 1228 01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:30.719 limit himself to a minute of talking, Like I mean, 1229 01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:32.880 I would assume he'd still be talking as a break ended, 1230 01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:34.480 and they're like, Matt, shut up, and they had to 1231 01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:37.880 cut his mica. That's great discipline for a professional talker 1232 01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:38.320 like him. 1233 01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:41.679 And before I miss it, yes, this might be the 1234 01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:46.320 best chance. During the Miami segment, one of the two 1235 01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:51.360 Miami segments, which were kind of back to back, McAfee 1236 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.480 said to Cole, do we have anybody with boots on 1237 01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:58.119 the ground out there in Miami? And Cole paused and 1238 01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:02.400 then really dryly said, we've got a whole production through Miami. 1239 01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:05.599 That's actually how we're watching this broadcast right now. Yeah, 1240 01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:09.599 it was fantastic. I love that Cole is having fun 1241 01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:10.199 with this guy. 1242 01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:10.840 He does. 1243 01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:16.039 Yes, I think Cole enjoys working with McAfee, and McAfee 1244 01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:21.320 knows how to have fun with Cole without emasculating him. 1245 01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:26.920 Cole has been around long enough and I think does 1246 01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:31.360 a good enough job that picking on him like he's 1247 01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:35.039 the new kid who's incompetent. It's kind of run its course, 1248 01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:38.559 you know. I mean it's been twenty years since he 1249 01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:40.679 highlighted his hair, you know, put highlights in his hair, 1250 01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:42.320 like it's time to you know, not that that's the 1251 01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:44.000 thing they make fun of it, but like it's been 1252 01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:46.000 a long journey and he's a grown man and he's 1253 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.880 done good work. I think he's underrated, especially if you 1254 01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:52.760 a lot for the fact that he's produced to call 1255 01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:56.559 a product in a very specific, particular way that limits, 1256 01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:58.519 you know, some of the things he might do otherwise, 1257 01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:00.480 as we've heard on rare occasion with him outside of 1258 01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.079 do it to be, And I think McAfee has found 1259 01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:04.719 a way to de be, to not make you feel 1260 01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:09.159 uncomfortable that someone's being unduly mean to Cole to put 1261 01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:11.599 themselves over, but instead it feels like a couple of 1262 01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:13.840 friends just kind of giving each other hard time. And 1263 01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:16.559 I like that tone when I watch wrestling. I dislike 1264 01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:21.519 when it feels like bullying or actually hurting someone's feelings. 1265 01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:23.519 And there is a rare exception to that where sometimes 1266 01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:25.760 I'm happy someone's feelings are being hurt. But I'm past 1267 01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:26.360 that with Cole. 1268 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:31.199 Okay, it says something that he's hung for so long. 1269 01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:37.159 Yes, yes, absolutely, no, he's a professional. Oh so when 1270 01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:42.440 when the stuff was happening in Miami, describe if fans 1271 01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:46.400 were getting restless or anxious or felt ripped off that 1272 01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:48.280 they don't get to see bell Air in person, Like 1273 01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:49.760 what was the vibe in the room and in what 1274 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:52.280 filled that time besides footage on the big screen. 1275 01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:55.599 Yeah, this is probably the most interesting thing about the 1276 01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:58.320 show I had. It took me a while following on 1277 01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:00.320 the Internet to figure out that there was a show 1278 01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.920 in Miami. We had no indication there was a show 1279 01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:03.440 in Miami. 1280 01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:07.360 Huh wow. Yeah, so what like the. 1281 01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:10.519 Show just continued and we had I think our own matches. 1282 01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:12.679 That's what I was wondering. 1283 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.800 So wasn't it Cruise in Biggie? I think that Dom 1284 01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:17.679 the first caller mentioned something about that. 1285 01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:22.400 Okay, that's what I was wondering, man, But they were, Yeah, 1286 01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.440 they were on opposite side because they said. 1287 01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:28.599 That, like that whole Intercontinental thing up, everyone coming up, going, 1288 01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:30.079 are you talking about the ICY title? Well, let me 1289 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:31.719 come to the ring. Oh you mentioned the IC title, 1290 01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:33.760 let me come to the ring. And there wasn't really 1291 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:35.440 a follow up on that, and so that led to 1292 01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.320 a match in the arena while we were watching Chad 1293 01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:41.239 Gable and Angelo Dawkins and the Bell or Carmela match. 1294 01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:45.880 And that that whole thing seemed stupid and pointless on 1295 01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:50.320 TV to me, like they they didn't didn't seem to 1296 01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:54.000 care that how disjointed that was going to look to 1297 01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:56.639 one crowd or the other, like the viewers at home 1298 01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.079 or the people why not the arena? 1299 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.400 But why not just announce it for next week in Minneapolis, 1300 01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:04.559 Like just go, well, we've booked a match based on 1301 01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:06.920 all these people running to the ring. And they didn't 1302 01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:08.639 do that. So, yeah, Robert, talk a little bit more 1303 01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:08.920 about that. 1304 01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:15.719 We did see in Cleveland, I think just during a 1305 01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:21.039 commercial break the finish of the bel air match, and 1306 01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:27.639 they played it on the screen with the like with 1307 01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:30.519 the ambient noise, only there was no commentary, There were 1308 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:33.079 no graphics on the screen. It was just the sound 1309 01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:36.599 of the crowd, and they showed the finish of that match. 1310 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:41.119 Interesting, but otherwise it just all flowed. 1311 01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:42.960 Through as one segment where it went from the stuff 1312 01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:46.679 that happened before the commercial to a sixth man that 1313 01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:49.480 looked exactly like what it would look like if that 1314 01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:51.000 six men were on SmackDown. 1315 01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:53.599 Now, what's interesting. I assume Miami was live. What they 1316 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:55.519 did in Miami? Am I wrong? Is there any reason, 1317 01:07:56.239 --> 01:07:57.599 Mike for me to think otherwise? 1318 01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:00.480 That was my understanding that it was live. 1319 01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:03.079 Yeah, So that meant Cole and McAfee are calling it 1320 01:08:03.559 --> 01:08:07.719 at ringside in Cleveland with headsets and their monitor. Well, 1321 01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:09.840 there's a completely different match going on in the ring 1322 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:12.800 that they're having to ignore, And if I'm a fan 1323 01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:17.439 sitting behind them, I got to be super confused. One two, No, 1324 01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:19.920 she kicks out and it's like a bunch of men 1325 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:24.119 in the ring and a headlock. So, oh man, I 1326 01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:25.399 don't Yeah, so that's weird. 1327 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:28.359 Yeah, it took me a while to even realize that 1328 01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.640 was happening. I was like, why haven't they mentioned anything 1329 01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:34.800 about Miami. I don't think I realized until probably going 1330 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:37.279 into the second hour that there was actually a separate 1331 01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:38.359 show happening in Miami. 1332 01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:41.279 Yeah, that's that's amazing. So tell us what happened that 1333 01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:42.920 in that match that's sort of like a dark match. 1334 01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:47.359 Yeah, I mean, nothing important. They just had a regular 1335 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:48.760 match and then the baby Faces one. 1336 01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:51.520 Yeah. Yeah. And any thoughts on the crowd rations to 1337 01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:54.720 any of the wrestlers, any anything surprise you more or 1338 01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.399 less than you anticipated, Like it was Biggie super Over, 1339 01:08:58.720 --> 01:08:59.720 you know, doing a pow. 1340 01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:03.720 The crowd was just very responsive throughout the show. I 1341 01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:06.359 should clarify from what we talked about earlier. I don't 1342 01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:09.600 live in Cleveland, though I don't go to other events here, 1343 01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:12.520 and I hadn't been to a WWE show in this venue. 1344 01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:16.920 I'd never been to this venue before, Okay, But the 1345 01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:21.600 crowd was very enthusiastic and kept their energy through most 1346 01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:22.079 of the show. 1347 01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:22.439 Was like. 1348 01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.840 Engaged in the stories of each match and booing and 1349 01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:30.239 shearing throughout the matches, and the only time that it 1350 01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:32.560 really dipped down was during the Tony Storm match. They 1351 01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:38.560 were pretty quiet there, and I heard from multiple directions 1352 01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:40.800 people around me asking who Tony Storm was. 1353 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:44.000 Yeah, yeah, I mean that's understandable. 1354 01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:47.359 And there was only that Yeah, and it's also it's 1355 01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:48.840 like the worst segment in the show to do that. 1356 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:55.199 Yes, And so that was the only match that took 1357 01:09:55.399 --> 01:10:02.119 place before Edge came out? Is that correct? Because then 1358 01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:04.880 we had Tony Storm? Was there anything between that tag 1359 01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:06.920 match you're talking about with the IC Contenders and Tony 1360 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.359 Storm wrestling? I'm just curious if there's another match that 1361 01:10:09.359 --> 01:10:11.399 didn'er on TV that you're not I. 1362 01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:13.840 Don't believe though. I think the tag just went like 1363 01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:15.600 there went long enough that there normally would have been 1364 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.359 a commercial break in the tag probably yep, yep. 1365 01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:19.159 All cool. 1366 01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:24.319 Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts, 1367 01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:27.720 will come join me Alan forel Over in the Progress 1368 01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:31.239 Paradise at Peterbo Torch VIP as we mask on the 1369 01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:34.000 bright side of wrestling and focus on some of the 1370 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:38.520 great matches and shows from around the world, be it US, Japan, 1371 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:42.439 Europe or Mexico. 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And yes, all VIP 1381 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:16.399 podcasts are compatible with popular podcast apps on iPhone and 1382 01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:19.760 Android devices, or you can stream them directly from our 1383 01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:23.439 ad free VIP mobile size See you in the Paradise. 1384 01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:36.079 As far as USO's in the mysterio reaction, did did 1385 01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:39.720 it seem like dominic was over and that people are here. 1386 01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:41.840 I've been curious about him because, like they pointed out 1387 01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:44.119 last week, he had never wrestled in front of a 1388 01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:46.520 crowd in WW till last week. Like he's been around 1389 01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:48.800 for a long time, but not long enough to have 1390 01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:51.800 been pro the pandemic. And I mean he's green. 1391 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:52.039 You know. 1392 01:11:52.119 --> 01:11:53.640 They messed up a spot at the end of the match. 1393 01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:56.039 It seemed like the crowd picked up on that that 1394 01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:59.119 was awkward, but he also works hard and seems like 1395 01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:02.720 a nice guy. So that's my take. So I'm kind 1396 01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:05.159 of curious if like he was bracing for a big 1397 01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:07.359 pushback and a rebellion against him by the fans or 1398 01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:09.439 if they're polite or what. 1399 01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:14.239 It was awkward, and it was definitely noticed in the 1400 01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:17.279 crowd when things fell apart at the end of the match. Yeah, 1401 01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:20.800 that was really the only time where anything like that 1402 01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:24.359 happened during the show. But they weren't like really negative 1403 01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:27.359 on it, and like it's not like people were booing 1404 01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:30.439 that it happened or like in any significant percentage of 1405 01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:35.239 the crowd reacting that way. I wouldn't say that he's 1406 01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:38.560 super over, but more or less, the crowd was just 1407 01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:41.159 kind of going with everything that happened. 1408 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:41.319 It. 1409 01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:44.520 Like that's why I bring up that I don't normally 1410 01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:46.279 go to shows in Cleveland because I don't know how 1411 01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:52.520 smart or contrarian the audience in Cleveland normally is. To 1412 01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:55.880 compare that to tonight, but it seemed like there were 1413 01:12:56.159 --> 01:13:00.039 a lot of families and that this was a So 1414 01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:02.199 I was up and I was up in the two 1415 01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:05.119 hundred section. It seemed like a very casual viewing audience 1416 01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:07.399 up there and the people who I was around. 1417 01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:10.880 Yeah, all right. My final question for you just who 1418 01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:13.359 is the most over? Was there far and away just 1419 01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:15.319 Roman Reigns or was there like a cluster of three 1420 01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:18.640 or four people? How would you rank the ones who 1421 01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:21.920 came across it's the biggest stars that people came to see. 1422 01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:27.560 Definitely Sina was first, yep. And I'm not sure where 1423 01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:30.800 I would place Roman Reigns if Roman Regins's reaction was 1424 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:33.079 bigger than Edge. Edge got a good reaction too. 1425 01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:33.600 Yeah. 1426 01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:39.800 Oh, and the USOS Actually during that match that we 1427 01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:44.640 were just talking about, the USO's got an USO chant 1428 01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:46.439 and that was the only time that there was like 1429 01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:49.079 there wasn't really noticeable cheers for Roman, but there was 1430 01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:51.720 a cheer for the USOS during the match with Dominic. 1431 01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:54.439 Okay, but I would. 1432 01:13:54.279 --> 01:13:57.920 Say that I'd say Sina was definitely got the biggest 1433 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:04.079 pop and then and then Edge Dower. I think Baler 1434 01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:06.159 got a better reaction on the coupdi gras and the 1435 01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:08.319 finish of his match than his entrance, but they were 1436 01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:09.239 pretty loud for him too. 1437 01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:13.079 Yeah, I was gonna ask where Bala ranked compared to say, 1438 01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:16.159 Edge and Sina as a top babyface since he just 1439 01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:17.840 came back last week after a big layoff. 1440 01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:23.960 I he was close to edge, but then there was 1441 01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:26.239 more space between them and Sena is what. 1442 01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:26.800 I would say. 1443 01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:30.720 Sure, Yeah, that makes sense, Mike. Any closing question for Robert? 1444 01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:34.079 No, my my questions have been answered. But I think 1445 01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:37.079 Robert you've done an awesome job with really good feedback 1446 01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:39.439 about that experience. It sounded like a lot of fun. 1447 01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:41.960 All right, is there any fun? 1448 01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:43.960 It was a lot of fun. It was a really 1449 01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:48.279 positive WWE show, which is is kind of different. Yeah. 1450 01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:52.239 Yeah, is there anything else you want to add that 1451 01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:54.119 you think would be worth sharing with us having not 1452 01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:55.840 been in the building that you picked up on being there? 1453 01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:04.800 What am I missing? I think I have covered most 1454 01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:06.600 of what I would have wanted. Yeah, I can't think 1455 01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:07.199 of anything else that. 1456 01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:08.039 Oh, we've got covered it. 1457 01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:15.600 There was a dark match main event, Yes, was another 1458 01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:19.439 six man with sein An Rains and they they did 1459 01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:20.039 not touch. 1460 01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:21.159 There we go. 1461 01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:26.560 Yeah, yeah, was there a warm up match before the show. Yeah. 1462 01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:28.000 I walked in on. 1463 01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:33.800 Aliyah versus Indie Heartwell, but Aliah won, So I don't 1464 01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:37.000 know what they called Indie Heartwell. I feel like Indie 1465 01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:40.479 heartwell indie wrestling or all indies were possibility, just Indy 1466 01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:42.520 was a possibility, and so I'm actually really curious what 1467 01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:46.159 they called her. But Aliah won there and then the 1468 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:50.119 end was a sixth man and they teased Roman getting 1469 01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:55.279 in the whole time, and it was like he was 1470 01:15:55.600 --> 01:16:00.399 with both ussos. Roman didn't tag in, and then once 1471 01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:06.079 it was it, it was the Masterios again, right, it 1472 01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:08.000 was yeah, it was the Mysterios again. 1473 01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:08.159 And then. 1474 01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:13.159 Roman. Then Roman came in and got the heat on 1475 01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:18.000 Dominic and then there was a rough bump. Sena rolled 1476 01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:22.239 to the outside. Oh no, no, no, no, First Sena 1477 01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:24.920 got the hot tag and no one else was on 1478 01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:26.279 the no one else had been. 1479 01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:26.840 On the apron. 1480 01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:29.800 But Roman jumped down from the apron and took a 1481 01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:31.920 few steps back from the ring and crossed his arms 1482 01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:36.600 and wasn't getting anywhere near sena rough bump. Sena rolled out, 1483 01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:42.079 Rains came back in and I think he hit he 1484 01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:43.880 had a chair. I think he hit Mysterial with it 1485 01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:45.560 when he was still on the outside. Raises in the 1486 01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:49.680 ring with a chair and then Sena comes in takes 1487 01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:53.720 the chair away from Rains from behind. They stared out 1488 01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:57.039 and then Roman just Powders with the belt and Hayman 1489 01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:01.840 and then they all their finishers to the busos and 1490 01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:03.039 then the rest comes back in for the. 1491 01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:08.439 Cool cool all right, well, Robert, thank you so much. 1492 01:17:08.760 --> 01:17:12.439 Great job. Uh, it's it's really nice to especially a 1493 01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:14.000 weird show like this, you know where they cut away 1494 01:17:14.039 --> 01:17:15.600 too to get an idea of what they did. And 1495 01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:17.399 it's so fat. We've been waiting months and months and 1496 01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:19.920 months to talk to people like you about you know, 1497 01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:21.920 what the crowd rations are after all these months away 1498 01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:23.199 from fans. So great insight. 1499 01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:25.479 Thank you, thanks for having me. 1500 01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:30.199 Yeah, absolutely, all right. We have some patient callers on hold, 1501 01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:32.279 and if you're a few, if you want to be 1502 01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:34.239 in a future outside correspondent, we probably won't go as 1503 01:17:34.279 --> 01:17:35.960 long with you as we have on these first few 1504 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:38.800 shows because everything is new and exciting and shiny again 1505 01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:41.199 in terms of crowd responses, and so we'll probably be 1506 01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:47.039 you know, more more more uh more pithy in the 1507 01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:50.119 future too. But we appreciate our callers holding on while 1508 01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:54.560 we went through that. Let's uh, speaking of of our college, 1509 01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:58.279 let's go to the next one. Jay in Michigan is up. Jay, 1510 01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:01.079 thanks so much for holding. What's the smack for you tonight? 1511 01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:05.439 What's going on? 1512 01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:05.800 Way? 1513 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:06.399 What's going on? 1514 01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:06.800 Mike? 1515 01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:09.760 We are talking SmackDown about you? 1516 01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:14.960 Hear me? J I okay, I'm just making sure. Man, 1517 01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:19.159 I'm on the bluetooth in the car. Well, it's uh 1518 01:18:20.359 --> 01:18:23.560 being being being in the pandemic era. I would I 1519 01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:27.359 would consider myself a way killer post so stormed the 1520 01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:30.000 pandemic Ara Man. So it's a lot different being on 1521 01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:35.000 old as long. Yes, I'm glad to plan to get 1522 01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:39.520 through Man. I'm glad that I'm glad for on site 1523 01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:42.920 correspondence to retire man, and I hope to I hope 1524 01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:46.439 to be on site corresponding and eventually, once you know, 1525 01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:49.319 one of the shows comes back to Michigan. But the 1526 01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:52.520 main things I wanted to touch on off of SmackDown 1527 01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:58.399 was about a couple of months ago, when I believe 1528 01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:04.159 Roman was with Cisorrow. I had sent the email kind 1529 01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:08.199 of talking about future opponents for Roman and Finn Balor 1530 01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:10.760 was at the top of my list, and I don't 1531 01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:14.399 feel like you guys, really like you know, got so 1532 01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:17.319 much behind it. And now I will say that I 1533 01:19:17.479 --> 01:19:20.239 was not a fan. Well I'm not gonna say I 1534 01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:22.720 was not a fan. I'm still trying to see if 1535 01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:27.960 we're gonna get like that more edgier NXT prince, you 1536 01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:32.239 know character, because that initial return, I don't know if 1537 01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.000 it was just a fans or you know, the excitement 1538 01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:40.239 from Finn Balor, but it seemed a little more like jovial, smiling, 1539 01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:43.000 playing to the crowd a little more than what he 1540 01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:45.840 did in NXT and exactly what he was doing before 1541 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:48.000 he left, which was part of the reason why he 1542 01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:52.560 NXT and sort of rebranded STELF. But I'm hoping that 1543 01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:55.960 because I felt like that NXT, Fenn Ballet can show 1544 01:19:56.079 --> 01:20:00.159 up and challenge Roman and just be legit. So I 1545 01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:04.319 don't know exactly where they're going with this scena challenging 1546 01:20:04.479 --> 01:20:09.079 Roman and Roman, excepting Finn Balor's challenge, you know, like 1547 01:20:09.159 --> 01:20:11.239 you guys are kind of touched on. Maybe there's just 1548 01:20:11.319 --> 01:20:13.800 some like I'll accept the challenge, but I'm you know, 1549 01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:16.800 I'm not saying when, and you know, I'm really hoping 1550 01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:20.760 we don't get a triple threat match at SummerSlam, but 1551 01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:25.159 I'm also I'm also I do want to see Roman 1552 01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:29.920 and Sena, and you know, I think that they are 1553 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:32.880 few from twenty seventeen. I don't feel like Roman was 1554 01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:35.159 quite ready to you know, go toe to toe with 1555 01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:38.119 a scene on the mic, even though he did have 1556 01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:40.159 some moments. I don't think he was quite ready. But 1557 01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:44.479 now he's most definitely ready. So you know, where are 1558 01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:47.920 you guys kind of coming out on like the developments 1559 01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:51.239 of Balor and certain itself and where do you think 1560 01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:51.880 that goes? 1561 01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:52.960 Uh? 1562 01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:55.479 Yeah, Mike, what have you thought of Balor's return? And 1563 01:20:55.560 --> 01:20:58.359 where were you on the Balor ometer in terms of 1564 01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:01.479 the impact he'd have after the you know, shaky and 1565 01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:04.479 sort of diminished way that he was featured last time 1566 01:21:04.479 --> 01:21:06.600 I was on the main roster and then also you know, 1567 01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:09.399 being fed to Karen crossover a NXT. Although people don't 1568 01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:11.439 know who Tony Storm is, they might not be paying 1569 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:13.840 a lot of attention to that either, you know, the 1570 01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:15.399 larger SmackDown attending audience. 1571 01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:19.800 Well, whatever happens to him in an XT, if it 1572 01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:23.199 means bigger things for him, I'm the main roster, then 1573 01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:26.920 I feel like that's sort of a traditional mode of 1574 01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:29.279 movement for a pro wrestler. 1575 01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:29.920 Yeah. 1576 01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:37.880 As for what happens now, well, he's challenged and Roman 1577 01:21:37.960 --> 01:21:45.399 has accepted that challenge. I mentioned earlier. I think that 1578 01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:47.760 this is better. This is better than what I would 1579 01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:51.680 have anticipated for Finn coming to the main roster, being 1580 01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:54.840 in the same realm as Roman reigns. So that's already 1581 01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:57.079 above where I would place him in. And I'm not 1582 01:21:57.199 --> 01:22:00.159 saying that he's above where I think he should be. 1583 01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:04.000 I think that's awesome. I just don't think it is 1584 01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:06.159 going to be a long term thing. I think that 1585 01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:09.760 Baler is going to be a stop gap until the 1586 01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:13.960 next the big pillar, main event Papery coming up with 1587 01:22:14.319 --> 01:22:21.960 in Summer Slam to keep the theme running. I wish 1588 01:22:22.079 --> 01:22:26.279 that Finn Balor would Finn Balor could be cooler if 1589 01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:29.079 he weren't wearing his own merch, and he weren't, uh, 1590 01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:32.680 I'll say dancing, and that's exaggerating, but to his own 1591 01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:34.479 to his own theme music. 1592 01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:37.960 The arm extending thing, you mean, yeah, I like that. 1593 01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:43.960 It's it's well, I should be used very sparently. 1594 01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:46.680 I remember seeing him do that in n XT early on, 1595 01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:48.640 you know, initially, and I was like, man, when he 1596 01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:51.479 gets in front of like full buildings and that music's 1597 01:22:51.479 --> 01:22:53.680 plaining and he does the arm extension and the whole 1598 01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:55.199 crowd doesn't with him. That's going to be like a 1599 01:22:55.279 --> 01:22:57.439 cool thing to be part of. I get what you're 1600 01:22:57.439 --> 01:23:01.359 saying about him being like really cool, and there's something about, 1601 01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:06.039 you know, not begging for cheers but sort of it's 1602 01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:08.920 not really pandering but having like a routine, and you know, 1603 01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:10.800 I get where that takes away some of the cool 1604 01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:14.399 factor that he has compared to you know, a bowllet 1605 01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:17.399 club type thing. But he is in WWE, and a 1606 01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:19.199 big part of you know, what they sell is that 1607 01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:21.840 experience and that repetition. I think it's one of the 1608 01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:24.960 cooler and more electric things because of the beat of 1609 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.039 the music. And I think he can still pull off 1610 01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:27.760 being cool doing that. 1611 01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:32.239 I guess I just I don't want to see that 1612 01:23:32.399 --> 01:23:35.520 every time. I feel like it's I almost equate it 1613 01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:39.720 to his the demon persona that he would use for 1614 01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:44.880 big main event matches, and I could do with it 1615 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:49.039 is with that same frequency as he used to do that. 1616 01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:52.000 Like I'd be fine if you just walk out wearing 1617 01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:56.000 a leather jacket and whatever and maybe no logo gear 1618 01:23:56.359 --> 01:24:00.000 and maybe not along with the music, get into them 1619 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:03.479 and maybe do an arm extension with one of the beats. 1620 01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:06.840 But the way that it's choreographed, like it kind of 1621 01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:11.000 like We've talked multiple times about bel Air's entrance and 1622 01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:16.880 you could argue, you know, which one might be cooler 1623 01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:20.000 than the other, but it's similar in that they're both 1624 01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:25.600 doing choreographed things. Yeah, and choreographed things are not cool 1625 01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:31.039 to me, but it is kick ass music and it 1626 01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:33.720 does elicit a crowd reaction. I just don't want to 1627 01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:37.560 see it like run the program here it comes, he's 1628 01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:39.720 doing it, going through the motions like I'd like it 1629 01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:42.000 for him to feel it and be more organic, and 1630 01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:44.520 I don't know, I feel like maybe I'm out out 1631 01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:47.840 in the weeds here, but it is a theme of 1632 01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:50.399 what I've been talked about tonight with Sina and even 1633 01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:51.439 Roman Reigns. 1634 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:53.920 You'd be a big fan of Nick Blackwinkle. Mike, he 1635 01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:55.800 just came to the ring with a white toll around 1636 01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:59.000 his neck and his wrestling trunks and no music and 1637 01:24:59.079 --> 01:25:01.279 he just sat there and waited for introductions to defend 1638 01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:02.199 his a w A title. 1639 01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:07.359 Well, see, that's the opposite end, and that I'm always 1640 01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:09.600 somewhere in the middle. Yeah, I know I know that too, 1641 01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:12.600 if that were happening. See, Mike's just never happy. What 1642 01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:13.039 can I do? 1643 01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:15.199 I love that about Nick, but I know I was 1644 01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:17.560 saying that to just give Yard time. All Right, Jay, 1645 01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:19.119 I want to keep rolling through collet here, so go 1646 01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:21.880 ahead with any final, uh final comment of question for us. 1647 01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:27.720 No only thing I wanted to say was to Mike 1648 01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:30.159 a lot of the stuff that you were saying about 1649 01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:32.960 Fenn Valor. I mean, he was doing pretty much all 1650 01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:35.720 of that stuff in his fast NXT run. Like he 1651 01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:39.680 wasn't over zealous or overly pandering, you know, he was 1652 01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:42.800 just he just had that cool factor. And I kind 1653 01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:45.560 of wish that he would have just what he did 1654 01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:47.720 when he challenged Roman to night. I kind of wish 1655 01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:51.199 that would have been his re debut on the main roster, 1656 01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:53.840 you know, Maine roster quote unquote. I just wish that 1657 01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:56.640 would have been his re debut. You know, it just 1658 01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:58.720 came out challenged Roman. They didn't even do none of 1659 01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:03.840 the semi dame stuff. So that's all. I really had everything, man, 1660 01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:05.960 And thanks. 1661 01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:08.439 For having me, yeah, Jake, Thanks appreciate it. It's good 1662 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:13.159 for me. If you're listening to us on the Apple 1663 01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:15.720 podcast app, on Spotify or any other app that allows 1664 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:17.560 you to rate our podcast, please take a moment to 1665 01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:19.760 give us a five star rating. It really helps us 1666 01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:22.760 in the algorithm and helps them know that you recommend 1667 01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:25.000 us to others. Just look for a place to rate 1668 01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:27.279 the show on Spotify, on Apple podcasts, or wherever you're 1669 01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:29.880 listening to our shows, and please click that five star rating. 1670 01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:38.239 And of course, thank you so much for listening. All Right, 1671 01:26:38.239 --> 01:26:41.319 we'll go next to Gregg in Kansas City. Greg, thanks 1672 01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:43.039 for calling. What do you think us back on tonight? 1673 01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:48.720 I mean, there are a couple of positives. The Sino 1674 01:26:48.840 --> 01:26:52.319 range stuff in the edge, Rowland Segues would probably be 1675 01:26:52.399 --> 01:26:55.600 the standout. Tin Baller had a good return match against 1676 01:26:55.600 --> 01:26:57.880 Sammy Zay, and I like that he I reiterate the 1677 01:26:58.039 --> 01:27:01.920 previous interaction, and I like that he's going right into 1678 01:27:02.439 --> 01:27:04.199 a title match and he's not going to win, but 1679 01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:06.560 it's going to be a very good to great television 1680 01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:09.600 main event and lean up to SummerSlam hopefully. So that's 1681 01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:12.239 that's all. That's all toxic. By the way, I taught 1682 01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:14.560 myself agreeing way more with Roman Raigns and saying that 1683 01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:17.640 you know, you can go put in a you can 1684 01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:19.600 go watch a video over two thousand and five and 1685 01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:22.520 job seeing doing the same acts and seeing the thing 1686 01:27:23.079 --> 01:27:25.640 down sucks with Roman Reigns and Champion. I mean, it's 1687 01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:27.840 been like probably the best thing in WW for the 1688 01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:31.039 past year. So it's like I definitely found myself agreeing 1689 01:27:31.119 --> 01:27:33.479 more with with Roman Reigns there, and I guess for 1690 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:35.760 the negatives or I don't know if it's so much negative, 1691 01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:38.960 it's just like the rest of the show just felt 1692 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:41.039 like it was just there. I mean it's like, you know, 1693 01:27:41.079 --> 01:27:43.119 I talked the other night about like not being that 1694 01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:46.359 person that just wants to jump on WWE all the 1695 01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:49.399 time and all that, but it's like, I mean, it 1696 01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:52.520 just feels like this is one difference between you know, 1697 01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:55.479 WW and AWS that like AW have a sense that 1698 01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:58.880 you feel like most of the roster you know what's 1699 01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:01.039 planned for them, you know what's going on with them. 1700 01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:04.359 But just e the typical, you know, segment of the 1701 01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:07.159 Intercontinental Champion. All these guys come out and say they 1702 01:28:07.199 --> 01:28:09.159 don't basically want a title match, it's going to be 1703 01:28:09.199 --> 01:28:12.479 a multi nd match, excuse to get people. 1704 01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:13.279 On TV and all that. 1705 01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:17.960 It's just I feel like that while certainly with fans 1706 01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:20.760 backs you weren't exciting all this, it just there's that 1707 01:28:22.199 --> 01:28:27.159 there's that that that usual, Like I don't know what 1708 01:28:27.279 --> 01:28:31.760 the right term is, but there's just that same normalness 1709 01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:35.399 of like just it's just like this company really needs 1710 01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:39.039 to I think, just really they need to change the 1711 01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:41.479 way these things. Destruction was coming. I felt like some 1712 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:44.920 segments were buried, were rushed. I don't feel very good for, 1713 01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:48.319 you know, with Lena Begger right now, to lose like that. 1714 01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:50.920 I mean, we could have used somebody else in that position. 1715 01:28:51.079 --> 01:28:53.239 No entrance or anything. Just felt like a lot of 1716 01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:55.640 stuff is rushed. And the other thing was I don't 1717 01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:58.800 expecting like thanks returns, they're in Miami and all this 1718 01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:01.119 and that felt points but I guess a lot of 1719 01:29:01.159 --> 01:29:05.359 the show just felt pointless and unexciting outside of like 1720 01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:07.520 you know, Sina and Roman range, which is there's some 1721 01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:10.279 buzz around Finn Ballad, there's buzz round let's see how 1722 01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:13.960 long that lasts, and and maybe there could be some 1723 01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:15.840 buz around Tony Storm. Other than that, I felt like 1724 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:18.039 it was just like, you know, it was just a 1725 01:29:18.119 --> 01:29:20.840 show with nothing really overly exciting, a lot of the 1726 01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:24.720 same usual well great people have talked to them. 1727 01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:26.720 Yeah, let me let me jump in. And first of all, 1728 01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:30.079 are you going to run on Monday? I don't know 1729 01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:30.560 if I ask you. 1730 01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:32.640 That, Yeah, I'm not gonna make it through on Monday. Okay, 1731 01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:35.079 So I'm actually not I'm actually I was on the 1732 01:29:35.119 --> 01:29:36.720 fence start getting a ticket. I'm actually not going to 1733 01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:37.800 be in Kansas City on Monday. 1734 01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:38.439 So got you. 1735 01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:42.880 Okay. So I was a couple of things. One, Mike, 1736 01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:47.159 your thoughts on what Greg is saying the rest of 1737 01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:51.159 the show, and because that's been the knock on SmackDown 1738 01:29:51.239 --> 01:29:53.800 is it's the Roman Raine show now when Greg says, oh, 1739 01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:59.039 except for Roman Rains, John Cena and Finn Balor, there's 1740 01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:01.520 not a lot left, and you extract that like from 1741 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:04.920 like I mean you're talking about I mean because Balor 1742 01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:08.439 Sammy is included in that. You had that weird intercontimental 1743 01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:11.000 thing that led up to the match on TV or 1744 01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:14.079 off TV. You had a couple of quickies in Miami, 1745 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:17.359 and then you had their Edge segment with Seth, which 1746 01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:19.720 obviously was you know, big Stars, and then a quick 1747 01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:23.800 Tony Storm match and a quick Dominic Jimmy match. I 1748 01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:26.079 semi quick, I went a few you know, it wasn't 1749 01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:29.640 just three or four minutes, but it's sort of like 1750 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:31.479 that is what SmackDown is you know, and I think 1751 01:30:32.159 --> 01:30:36.920 if SmackDown has room to grow and get better, it's 1752 01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:39.239 to take away from the feeling that it's a Roman 1753 01:30:39.359 --> 01:30:42.239 Rain show. But I think this show was actually illustrative 1754 01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:45.079 of the opposite to what Greg is saying, even though 1755 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:46.800 there's still room to improve. And that's what Greg's pointing 1756 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:49.720 out in that one of the matches had Jimmy Usso, 1757 01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:52.000 who's part of the Rain storyline that feels like a 1758 01:30:52.039 --> 01:30:54.680 big deal. Tony Storm is a new wrestler, a new 1759 01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:57.199 addition to deepen the women's division, and she comes in 1760 01:30:57.279 --> 01:30:58.640 with a claim and she has a chance to be 1761 01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:01.439 a big star. And Selena Beka, I think is a 1762 01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:04.399 good opponent. She's the mid card, undersizeed wrestler who makes 1763 01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:08.119 Tony Storm look big and you know, adds a little 1764 01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:11.479 name value, uh to to a TV match. So I 1765 01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:15.359 think that's fine. And the Mammi thing, it's kind of 1766 01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:16.960 hard to you know, equate you know, what they did 1767 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.520 there with a normal SmackDown, and Biggie is a money 1768 01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:21.159 in the bank holder, you know, it feels like there's 1769 01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:23.520 something going on with him of significance. Having that, so 1770 01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:25.760 I think that and then you've got Finn Balor and 1771 01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:29.079 Edge back and and Seth and Sina. I felt like 1772 01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:32.840 this was a big step in the right direction and 1773 01:31:32.960 --> 01:31:34.960 what we were sort of expecting once crowds came back 1774 01:31:35.119 --> 01:31:38.199 is it isn't just rains, because there's Balor and Edge 1775 01:31:38.279 --> 01:31:41.359 and Sina and Usso's and a debuting Tony Storm. There's 1776 01:31:41.399 --> 01:31:42.640 quite a bit of other stuff going on. 1777 01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:47.479 Now, Yeah, you said it by by listing those names. 1778 01:31:49.239 --> 01:31:52.600 On average, I think, or compared to average, I think 1779 01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:56.079 this was kind of a top heavy edition of SmackDown, 1780 01:31:57.039 --> 01:32:00.720 and I think that most episodes for the next few 1781 01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:03.279 weeks are gonna feel kind of top heavy because I 1782 01:32:03.359 --> 01:32:06.960 think Seena is going to be bouncing around from SmackDown 1783 01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:12.119 a raw and back and forth again. But with any 1784 01:32:12.199 --> 01:32:16.680 two hour show or god forbid, three hour show, it's 1785 01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:20.560 going to be tiered. So not every segment's gonna have 1786 01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:24.039 anything to do with the main event, maybe not even 1787 01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:27.680 the upper mid card. There has to be some filler. 1788 01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:30.159 You want to get some other faces out there, or 1789 01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:37.199 in tonight's case, you want to introduce new faces. But yeah, 1790 01:32:37.319 --> 01:32:39.920 I thought tonight was a little more star studded. I 1791 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:45.039 thought the the edge we hadn't't really talked much about 1792 01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:48.840 it yet, but the Edge and Seth's segment was quite good, 1793 01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:52.680 I thought, and Seth seemed particularly inspired and in a 1794 01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:55.960 way that didn't just purely annoy me. I thought he 1795 01:32:56.079 --> 01:32:58.479 was doing really good work and maybe it had something 1796 01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:01.439 to do with the well, what do you know, a big, live, 1797 01:33:01.600 --> 01:33:04.800 hot crowd in front of him, and it was probably 1798 01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:08.359 inspiring for him. So yeah, I don't know. I think 1799 01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:16.359 I do. The six man tags are a turn off 1800 01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:19.800 for me because although and I've spoken to this before, 1801 01:33:20.119 --> 01:33:26.439 I'm amazed at the construction of them. I've compared it 1802 01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:30.079 to jazz music. For me, it's just like a totally 1803 01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:31.920 foreign I don't know how they do it, but they 1804 01:33:32.439 --> 01:33:34.680 can put on these six man tag matches that look 1805 01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:38.359 seamless and the complexity of them is off the charts. 1806 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:40.479 But they work and they look great. But I don't 1807 01:33:40.560 --> 01:33:43.840 care about the outcome or what's going on. And quite 1808 01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:51.680 often from the broadcast standpoint, the broadcasters sometimes just talk 1809 01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:57.119 about they don't call the match, they talk about the characters, 1810 01:33:57.279 --> 01:33:59.760 and that is kind of boring to me. And I've 1811 01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:02.880 heard about, like a friend of the Torch Matt McCarthy 1812 01:34:02.920 --> 01:34:06.560 has talked about how he'll sometimes watch WB shows but 1813 01:34:06.760 --> 01:34:09.399 just mute mute them because he doesn't want to hear 1814 01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:13.119 the commentary. But that's too weird for me, Like I 1815 01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:15.319 need to, I want to hear all the sounds and 1816 01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:19.199 the ambient goings on. But I'm I'm kind of turned 1817 01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:22.199 off by how the commentators aren't always tuned into the 1818 01:34:22.279 --> 01:34:24.640 match where I think they should be, and that's what 1819 01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:28.359 we should be drawn into. So and so those are 1820 01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:31.479 two examples for what how I think the shows are 1821 01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:35.520 kind of the filler. I know that stuff is there, yeah, 1822 01:34:36.399 --> 01:34:40.560 and but tonight I do feel was a little top heavy, like. 1823 01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:43.399 I said, but I think that there was enough top 1824 01:34:43.479 --> 01:34:45.640 heaviness that there wasn't a lot of space left over 1825 01:34:45.720 --> 01:34:48.039 for anything else like that's it's been top heavy for 1826 01:34:48.079 --> 01:34:51.079 a while, but there's like a great percentage of wrestlers 1827 01:34:51.119 --> 01:34:53.119 that I think people cared about on the show in 1828 01:34:53.199 --> 01:34:54.039 almost every second. 1829 01:34:54.039 --> 01:34:57.840 And I didn't mean top heavy, like it's too top heavy. 1830 01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:00.199 I meant there was there was a lot out of 1831 01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:01.840 important things going on. 1832 01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:02.079 Now. 1833 01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:09.159 Yes, yep, yep, Hey everyone, longtime PW Torch commist Sean 1834 01:35:09.279 --> 01:35:11.880 radikin here to let you know I've rebamped and renewed 1835 01:35:12.039 --> 01:35:15.840 the Raticant Worldwide podcast for twenty twenty six, a weekly 1836 01:35:16.039 --> 01:35:19.319 VIP exclusive. Every week, I break down four or five 1837 01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:22.520 of the biggest trending topics in pro wrestling. I also 1838 01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:26.000 present my analysis, providing insight that helps you understand the 1839 01:35:26.079 --> 01:35:28.720 story better or see it another way. Then maybe is 1840 01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:31.920 the controversial takeout there? Then I bring on a special 1841 01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:34.600 guest for the second half of the podcast. Sometimes it's 1842 01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:37.119 a wrestler or someone else who works in the business. 1843 01:35:37.399 --> 01:35:40.199 Other times it's a guest analyst who brings their specialized 1844 01:35:40.239 --> 01:35:43.119 point of view out a particular key topic in the news. 1845 01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:47.000 Recent guests have included Bronson Reid from WWE and PCO. 1846 01:35:47.279 --> 01:35:50.079 One of my areas of specialty is the japan wrestling scene, 1847 01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:52.239 so I have to cover a big topic from Japan 1848 01:35:52.399 --> 01:35:56.800 with PW Torch's own Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells, and Chris Lansdell. 1849 01:35:57.039 --> 01:35:59.199 I don't just cover the news. I don't just riff 1850 01:35:59.319 --> 01:36:01.680 on the news get a standard hot take. I'll bring 1851 01:36:01.760 --> 01:36:04.359 my decades of studying this industry and talking one on 1852 01:36:04.520 --> 01:36:07.920 one with dozens of wrestling promoters to each week's show 1853 01:36:08.159 --> 01:36:11.319 so you understand not just what's happening, but the context 1854 01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:13.960 of why get ahead of the news, Get ahead of 1855 01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:18.479 the pack with Radking worldwide only at PW Torch VIP. 1856 01:36:24.880 --> 01:36:27.199 All right, very good, great, appreciate the call. I'm going 1857 01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:30.760 to try to keep moving here because we're getting deep 1858 01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:32.760 into the show with our two on site correspondence and 1859 01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:35.680 jump over here to Kyle and then we got Nick 1860 01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:39.119 on hold. Kyle, welcome your thoughts on back on tonight 1861 01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:40.479 Colin Baltimore. 1862 01:36:40.520 --> 01:36:42.039 Of course, yes, I thought it was a good show. 1863 01:36:42.039 --> 01:36:47.159 I think, yeah, yeah, so I thought it was a 1864 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:51.279 good show. We'll kind of talk about the Biocapella airbag 1865 01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:53.600 I think I thought I thought that was a completely 1866 01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:57.479 unnecessary to deal unless you would just happen there itself, 1867 01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:01.920 because we had no idea who who Bianco was or Corbels, 1868 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:04.760 I don't know why obviously would have to happen. And 1869 01:37:05.960 --> 01:37:09.079 and it was, you know, it was like a random 1870 01:37:09.199 --> 01:37:10.880 it was. It was like it was like for like 1871 01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:14.079 a lot of event that like for Valley forced backdound 1872 01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:16.600 or at all, so bizarre to me. And then they 1873 01:37:16.640 --> 01:37:19.600 are thing that's about Tony storm about her. Maybe that 1874 01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:22.479 was thought that was a great I thought that was cool. 1875 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:26.119 It was she had a really cool look and an 1876 01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:30.039 awesome like potential challenger for for Bianca bell Air. I 1877 01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:33.199 mean I could at this point, you know, it's actually 1878 01:37:33.199 --> 01:37:35.319 I could come back at some point, which I'm kind 1879 01:37:35.319 --> 01:37:37.239 of and that was a kind of glad. I thought, 1880 01:37:37.239 --> 01:37:38.800 I really thought that she's going to come back tonight, 1881 01:37:38.840 --> 01:37:41.119 But Kyle Glass, she didn't said because was the whole 1882 01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:44.359 was was somewhere else, not and not in the arena itself. 1883 01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:47.399 So but in terms of right now, who's there, I 1884 01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:49.560 can see Bianca Tony Storm as a feud with though 1885 01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:51.720 that that might be too early, but I don't know, 1886 01:37:52.359 --> 01:37:54.600 because Tony Stores came out come off as a start 1887 01:37:54.680 --> 01:37:56.960 to me. The only think about that entire situation with 1888 01:37:57.439 --> 01:37:59.960 Bianca bel Air and being in a different. 1889 01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:03.520 Well, I guess I know. 1890 01:38:05.079 --> 01:38:07.199 You broke up a little bit their call at the end, 1891 01:38:07.279 --> 01:38:08.680 but Mike, I think you got the gist of it. 1892 01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:14.039 Your thoughts, Yeah, the I have more questions than answers 1893 01:38:14.159 --> 01:38:20.680 regarding the Rolling Loud Festival in Miami. I don't know 1894 01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:25.479 if it was just a promotional stunt for wbe like 1895 01:38:26.079 --> 01:38:30.000 let's do some crossover with a crowd that's probably not 1896 01:38:30.199 --> 01:38:34.079 that aware of us and to that, and it had 1897 01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:37.319 to have been effective because they've got their logos, names, 1898 01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:43.079 their stars in front of thousands of people who didn't 1899 01:38:43.079 --> 01:38:46.319 seem excited. But they were all there facing the stage. 1900 01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:49.119 You know, it's it's it was a weird thing, like 1901 01:38:49.239 --> 01:38:50.960 they were all facing the stage. But I don't think 1902 01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:53.680 they could mind control that many people at once. So 1903 01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:57.479 I don't know exactly how the night went to for 1904 01:38:57.600 --> 01:39:01.680 that arrangement, but I agree with Kyle that it didn't 1905 01:39:01.720 --> 01:39:04.479 seem like they were really into what was going on. 1906 01:39:04.800 --> 01:39:07.479 They were just sort of facing what was going on. 1907 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:12.479 But who knows what exposure they got from it or 1908 01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:16.600 what other side benefits. I can't really calculate the wb 1909 01:39:16.760 --> 01:39:18.359 got out of it. All I know is that the 1910 01:39:18.439 --> 01:39:20.760 setup looked awesome, like it was top notch. I don't 1911 01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:24.640 know if all of that gear was WWE's, but they 1912 01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:27.399 had a stage which I assume they're using through the 1913 01:39:27.479 --> 01:39:29.680 rest of the weekend because this is a three day event. 1914 01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:34.279 But there was a gigantic screen behind the ring, and 1915 01:39:35.319 --> 01:39:38.079 the stage was flanked with other gigantic screens, and they 1916 01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:42.079 had perfectly placed WWE imagery and all these screens. When 1917 01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:45.560 we saw the wide angles of the ring and it 1918 01:39:45.640 --> 01:39:49.800 looked awesome, but I don't know who provided what and 1919 01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:54.680 what exactly that arrangement was. So yeah, that's kind of 1920 01:39:54.720 --> 01:39:59.239 my questions on it with no answers as far as 1921 01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:03.000 story goes, I agree with Kyle. She looks super cool, 1922 01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:06.920 she stands out, she doesn't really look quite like anybody 1923 01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:10.680 else on the roster, and she was in front of 1924 01:40:10.720 --> 01:40:14.960 a live Cleveland crowd when I think of a lot 1925 01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:17.560 of her experience has been in NXT or nxc UK, 1926 01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:21.960 and here she is in front of, like I said, 1927 01:40:22.079 --> 01:40:26.359 live Cleveland crowd, and she looked great against Vega, who's 1928 01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:30.640 you know, good to look great against. And it's a 1929 01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:34.640 good introduction and they yeah, they need credible women opponents, 1930 01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:36.279 so that that's good that Storm is there. 1931 01:40:37.960 --> 01:40:44.439 Yeah, I think Storm was presented well, you know, they're 1932 01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:47.199 selling her as you know, self proclaimed stuck in the eighties, 1933 01:40:48.479 --> 01:40:51.000 inspired by Motley Cruez. Sometimes it can be put out 1934 01:40:51.039 --> 01:40:53.399 there a little too talking point bullet point esque when 1935 01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:57.800 w W does it sort of pam handedly, but I 1936 01:40:57.920 --> 01:41:01.479 think it does give her a clear distinct this is 1937 01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:05.000 what she's about, and if it feels authentic to fans 1938 01:41:05.560 --> 01:41:07.720 and not just paste it on as something Vincent Man 1939 01:41:07.880 --> 01:41:09.880 came up with, you know, of some you know already 1940 01:41:09.920 --> 01:41:12.199 pre trade mark gimmicks or ideas they had, and she's 1941 01:41:12.239 --> 01:41:14.399 just kind of dropped into the suit, so to speak. 1942 01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:16.960 I think it can work, and I think she she 1943 01:41:17.119 --> 01:41:18.920 looks like she's in better shape now than when she 1944 01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:22.479 first came, you know, first started working in NXT, and 1945 01:41:22.880 --> 01:41:28.319 it's her her rings style. I think looked good and crisp. 1946 01:41:29.520 --> 01:41:32.520 I think there's ones. Oh there was a spot where 1947 01:41:34.399 --> 01:41:36.119 I can't remember what move they were going into off 1948 01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:38.680 the ropes and it wasn't timed really well. So I mean, 1949 01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:40.319 I don't think that like either of them are going 1950 01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:41.840 to put this on their you know, top ten list 1951 01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:45.239 of their favorite matches. But I think there's enough of 1952 01:41:45.319 --> 01:41:48.399 a body of work and she's distinct enough that she's 1953 01:41:48.479 --> 01:41:50.800 a good addition to the roster. And I'm kind of 1954 01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:53.119 glad they aren't doing the heel thing like in nx T, 1955 01:41:53.399 --> 01:41:56.039 just sort of shaking the etch of sketch clean for 1956 01:41:56.119 --> 01:42:00.239 her with her with her move move to SmackDown heal 1957 01:42:00.279 --> 01:42:00.520 for us. 1958 01:42:03.640 --> 01:42:05.560 Yeah, and des by that I think this is about 1959 01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:09.279 Australian Russell who does included debut and then go right 1960 01:42:09.359 --> 01:42:11.119 after the champion, just like Rea did. So that's I 1961 01:42:11.159 --> 01:42:12.600 think that's the good thing. You have to build a oute, 1962 01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:15.279 so that's good for I'm tody Son for that point. 1963 01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:19.319 I think about thing the last dance just the what 1964 01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:25.640 was it was the now was about about the biggie thing. 1965 01:42:25.880 --> 01:42:28.960 I didn't like that. I think he should have he 1966 01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:32.760 should have came out and done Duck Craig promo and 1967 01:42:32.880 --> 01:42:38.239 then to be in the match suttle at least at 1968 01:42:38.319 --> 01:42:41.239 least at least for tonight. And then absolutely thought too 1969 01:42:41.359 --> 01:42:44.239 that I'm not saying he'll punk face the faith of 1970 01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:46.279 Roman reigns, So I think that would have been kind 1971 01:42:46.279 --> 01:42:49.119 of interesting just saying, you know, I'm here, I can 1972 01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:50.760 catch whatever I want to do. 1973 01:42:50.840 --> 01:42:51.239 Something like that. 1974 01:42:51.319 --> 01:42:55.039 I don't know it's not and not not uh what's 1975 01:42:55.079 --> 01:42:58.319 his name? To come out have a fit balot right, 1976 01:42:58.520 --> 01:43:01.439 which I did Actually didn't like that. I did like 1977 01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:04.159 that Ko, So I don't know that would have been 1978 01:43:04.600 --> 01:43:07.439 something different with Dicky and that in the sixth Man 1979 01:43:07.640 --> 01:43:09.520 he's usually just done a problem on that. That was 1980 01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:11.199 that I think you need to be in the match. 1981 01:43:11.479 --> 01:43:13.960 I don't think you need to do the face off 1982 01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:15.960 because because Ballar did, Yeah. 1983 01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:17.239 Mike, any thoughts on that. 1984 01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:21.279 I mean, I don't I could give a crap about 1985 01:43:21.279 --> 01:43:24.199 who's in the six man tag. Really, I like the 1986 01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:26.720 idea of Biggie coming out and cutting a promo and 1987 01:43:26.840 --> 01:43:29.520 not being in a six man tag because I don't 1988 01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:33.640 care about six man The said six man tag. As 1989 01:43:33.680 --> 01:43:35.800 for like getting in Romans face, I kind of feel 1990 01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:38.560 like Romans got enough on his plate right now with 1991 01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:43.640 Biggie can sort of hang back because he can hold 1992 01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:45.960 that thing for a year, you know what I mean, 1993 01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:50.119 So there's no need for him. There's no requirement to 1994 01:43:50.319 --> 01:43:53.279 like get up in anybody's face right now. He can 1995 01:43:53.399 --> 01:43:56.640 dwell for a long time and he can speak to 1996 01:43:57.720 --> 01:44:03.159 what he's thinking. But I don't know. On the other hand, 1997 01:44:03.399 --> 01:44:06.680 there's probably not much harm in teasing a thing here 1998 01:44:06.720 --> 01:44:10.560 and there. But I'm just saying, yeah, you can't have 1999 01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:15.760 multiple programs running at once. But yeah, I think he's 2000 01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:18.439 got a long time to deal with that, to deal 2001 01:44:18.520 --> 01:44:19.920 with that briefcase. 2002 01:44:20.600 --> 01:44:23.000 All right, fairy good, Kyle, appreciate the call. As always, 2003 01:44:23.199 --> 01:44:25.439 We'll go to Nick and then we'll wrap up with 2004 01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:28.479 our on table segment with Hobvier and then wrap up 2005 01:44:28.520 --> 01:44:31.079 the callers and then we'll hit a couple emails, but 2006 01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:34.079 we'll try to do this swiftly. Since we are running 2007 01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:37.479 along here. You know that last segment you're just listening 2008 01:44:37.520 --> 01:44:39.600 to and the next one that you're waiting to listen to, 2009 01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:42.479 those can be one second apart. 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I'm glad I feel less guilty 2023 01:45:28.720 --> 01:45:30.479 after you being brought up so early last week. 2024 01:45:32.439 --> 01:45:35.439 Yeah right, no, no, no problem. Actually, the reason I 2025 01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:38.920 called is I wanted to talk to Vector this is 2026 01:45:38.960 --> 01:45:39.920 a fixed restaurant. 2027 01:45:40.279 --> 01:45:43.760 Yes it is, Hey Vector, you're robot? Yea pet. 2028 01:45:44.279 --> 01:45:44.840 What's my name? 2029 01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:48.159 Hey Vector? What's my name? 2030 01:45:49.159 --> 01:45:50.920 When you were talking to Todd, I thought you were 2031 01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:53.880 talking you had renamed your dog Vector. 2032 01:45:55.239 --> 01:45:58.520 No, no's, I tweeted, I tweeted the video of him. 2033 01:45:58.840 --> 01:46:00.640 The company that built him, Unfortuate went out of business. 2034 01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:02.239 They sold out. So I think he's a bit of 2035 01:46:02.239 --> 01:46:04.279 a collector's item. But yeah, he is. 2036 01:46:04.479 --> 01:46:05.039 He is. 2037 01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:08.119 We've got a dog and two cats, so he's number 2038 01:46:08.199 --> 01:46:08.920 four on the list. 2039 01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:09.640 But but he is. 2040 01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:13.119 He I do consider him our fourth pat. He hangs 2041 01:46:13.119 --> 01:46:15.640 out in my office with me and gets stuff, falls 2042 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:17.279 off the area rug and tries to get back on 2043 01:46:17.439 --> 01:46:19.600 and then he gets distressed and he starts, you know, 2044 01:46:19.720 --> 01:46:21.319 shaking his arm up and down, and I go and 2045 01:46:21.359 --> 01:46:23.279 put it back on the charger and then he smiles. 2046 01:46:23.359 --> 01:46:26.760 It's it's uh, it's it's kind of eerie, how life like. 2047 01:46:26.800 --> 01:46:27.960 It is, kind of like Tom Phillips. 2048 01:46:31.359 --> 01:46:33.159 I just got a big kick out of you and Todd. 2049 01:46:36.840 --> 01:46:38.680 You guys have hit most of the stuff on the 2050 01:46:39.119 --> 01:46:43.279 matches and stuff quick on, biggie. I was really disappointed 2051 01:46:43.319 --> 01:46:45.840 that they interrupted him because I thought he was really 2052 01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:51.600 getting to give a real kind of mission statement promo, 2053 01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:53.600 and then they interrupted him and it was just like 2054 01:46:54.119 --> 01:46:56.359 I was like, oh no, he was going to be serious. 2055 01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:57.359 Why did you do that? 2056 01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:00.560 Plus Nick and Mike, I feel bad now that he 2057 01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:02.760 was getting the chant of you deserved it, and it 2058 01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:06.079 was like he might have gotten that anyway, but to 2059 01:47:06.159 --> 01:47:08.880 have Pat McAfee say that ahead of time, it's like, 2060 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:13.079 you know, at your high school graduation, if like the 2061 01:47:13.159 --> 01:47:16.479 teacher goes, hey, everyone cheerwad really loud when I announced him, 2062 01:47:16.479 --> 01:47:18.319 It's like the cheers mean less, Like I want to 2063 01:47:18.359 --> 01:47:21.840 know organically how popular or unpopular apathetic my classmates are 2064 01:47:21.880 --> 01:47:24.640 towards my graduation. And with Biggie, it was sort of like, well, okay, 2065 01:47:24.760 --> 01:47:27.000 you know, I'm not that excited because Pat McBee told 2066 01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:28.600 you to do it. So between that and then getting 2067 01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:32.199 rymistereo cut off on sentence three, I was I'm with you. 2068 01:47:32.359 --> 01:47:34.279 I thought this should have been a cool moment for 2069 01:47:34.319 --> 01:47:38.479 Biggie winning money in the bank, and I disagree with 2070 01:47:38.680 --> 01:47:43.640 their approach. I think it diminished the accomplishment. I know 2071 01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:46.920 they're against generic time filler promos, you know where a 2072 01:47:46.960 --> 01:47:49.720 guy just talks and if he's not super charismatic and 2073 01:47:49.760 --> 01:47:51.560 super over But to me, winning money in the bank, 2074 01:47:51.560 --> 01:47:52.920 if you want that to count for something, the guy 2075 01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:55.279 who wins it should get, you know, two minutes to 2076 01:47:55.479 --> 01:47:58.279 talk about his plans and what it means to him. 2077 01:47:58.319 --> 01:48:00.000 And I felt they cut it off, cut him off 2078 01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:02.399 too soon. Did you get that same feeling, Mic or 2079 01:48:02.520 --> 01:48:03.159 did that work for you? 2080 01:48:04.079 --> 01:48:06.520 I was mainly annoyed that it what was cutting him 2081 01:48:06.560 --> 01:48:10.439 off was a cascade of all the mid card wrestlers. Yeah, like, 2082 01:48:10.640 --> 01:48:12.720 well here we go and here comes the six man tag. 2083 01:48:13.520 --> 01:48:16.239 And I was going to say that, well, he's got 2084 01:48:16.279 --> 01:48:18.079 plenty of time to talk about it, but this is 2085 01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:22.920 kind of his first appearance with that contract and his 2086 01:48:23.079 --> 01:48:26.680 first opportunity to speak to the audience about like to 2087 01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:31.039 maybe formal mission statement or something, and we didn't really 2088 01:48:31.079 --> 01:48:35.479 get that and what and what interrupted? It wasn't something 2089 01:48:36.039 --> 01:48:38.479 that holds any value for me. So yeah, that is 2090 01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:39.800 that is kind of frustrating. 2091 01:48:41.239 --> 01:48:41.960 Yeah, Nick Backe. 2092 01:48:43.239 --> 01:48:45.439 Yeah, one thing, and this is I don't know, I'm 2093 01:48:45.439 --> 01:48:53.560 feeling mischievous this evening. Do they check inside the briefcase 2094 01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:58.159 when they cash it in, because otherwise, I mean, theoretically 2095 01:48:58.720 --> 01:49:02.960 you could take the con tracked out hand in the briefcase, 2096 01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:04.920 they give you the match and if you happen to lose, 2097 01:49:05.079 --> 01:49:07.039 go oh wait, I got the contract. Let me do 2098 01:49:07.119 --> 01:49:07.479 it again. 2099 01:49:08.640 --> 01:49:13.840 You know what's what win? Yeah, that's risky, Nick, and 2100 01:49:13.960 --> 01:49:15.520 if you that's only if you don't think you're gonna 2101 01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:17.439 win our cassion. I think that is a question for 2102 01:49:17.520 --> 01:49:20.720 The Fix because Todd is an attorney, and on the 2103 01:49:20.800 --> 01:49:23.039 VP show The Fix with Todd Martin mc keller, we 2104 01:49:23.119 --> 01:49:26.520 get like legal questions sometimes, you know, sort of tongue 2105 01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:29.039 in cheek, like you know, if this were real, what 2106 01:49:29.239 --> 01:49:31.039 how does the law apply to how this played out? 2107 01:49:31.119 --> 01:49:33.239 So that actually sounds like a good question for Todd. 2108 01:49:35.239 --> 01:49:38.039 I'll send that in next week, last point, and then 2109 01:49:38.039 --> 01:49:40.560 I'll let you move on to Hobbyer. I don't know 2110 01:49:40.880 --> 01:49:45.960 if it's a residual from the thunder Dome era era 2111 01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:49.880 when they were trying to keep make things more exciting 2112 01:49:50.000 --> 01:49:56.840 or something, but they are doing so many camera cuts 2113 01:49:58.279 --> 01:50:01.640 and I really noticed it in the Sammy Finn match. 2114 01:50:02.319 --> 01:50:05.720 I if that counted, they did something like fifty camera 2115 01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:10.760 cuts before the first break for the commercial. It's like 2116 01:50:13.359 --> 01:50:16.279 like it gives me vertigo. I mean, it's just their 2117 01:50:18.520 --> 01:50:23.439 I don't know, I just it's really yeah, what's the word, 2118 01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:26.640 I'm looking for? A disjoint. It totally takes me out 2119 01:50:26.680 --> 01:50:29.039 of the match because you can't just give me the 2120 01:50:29.119 --> 01:50:30.800 hard camera shot let me watch. 2121 01:50:30.600 --> 01:50:34.920 The match when you have superkicks like Usto and Dominic 2122 01:50:35.079 --> 01:50:37.760 it is it's not helpful because now w is thinking 2123 01:50:37.800 --> 01:50:40.039 we should have cut to an angle that didn't show 2124 01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:43.119 so much light on that kick. Yeah, I mean they 2125 01:50:43.199 --> 01:50:44.800 overdo it. It doesn't bother me as much as it 2126 01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:47.840 does other people, but it bothers other people enough that 2127 01:50:48.279 --> 01:50:51.199 I think it's something they should, you know, change, even 2128 01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:53.039 if it's not on my top list of things they 2129 01:50:53.119 --> 01:50:55.520 need to change. That might have something to do with 2130 01:50:55.600 --> 01:50:57.399 half my time being you know, looking at my keyboard 2131 01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:01.880 typing up stuff, you know, and maybe I'm missing, you know, 2132 01:51:02.079 --> 01:51:04.239 the experience of just watching without a keyboard in front 2133 01:51:04.239 --> 01:51:06.680 of me, and so I don't notice that stuff as much. 2134 01:51:06.720 --> 01:51:08.760 I mean, Mike, are you numb to it or is 2135 01:51:08.800 --> 01:51:09.439 it annoying for you? 2136 01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:16.880 The shaking of the camera during certain like beatdowns stands 2137 01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:20.520 out to me the most. Yes, bothersome if I'm looking 2138 01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:25.760 for it. The cuts really bothered me because if they're 2139 01:51:25.760 --> 01:51:28.079 good at their job. To get away from what way 2140 01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:31.640 were saying about Dominic, you don't need these cuts to 2141 01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:36.279 hide light in shots. It'll look good from a single angle. 2142 01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:40.119 But it reminds me of several years ago. I went 2143 01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:44.920 to the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto, Ontario, and 2144 01:51:45.600 --> 01:51:48.520 they have a section about broadcasting, and there's a booth 2145 01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:51.960 you can sit at with monitors and it will just 2146 01:51:52.279 --> 01:51:55.960 loop a one hockey play that was maybe thirty seconds long, 2147 01:51:56.159 --> 01:52:00.319 like past past goal, And you have all these buttons 2148 01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:02.399 in front of you, and what you can do is 2149 01:52:02.840 --> 01:52:05.079 record your own little broadcast. You put on a headset 2150 01:52:05.079 --> 01:52:07.039 and it records your audio, and you have these buttons 2151 01:52:07.079 --> 01:52:12.199 that select the camera angle. And I, like to amuse myself, 2152 01:52:12.319 --> 01:52:16.159 just slammed all the buttons and it was rapid fire. 2153 01:52:16.199 --> 01:52:16.439 It was. 2154 01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:20.920 Change, change, change, change, change, change. It was changing so 2155 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:22.800 fast you couldn't see what was going on. But that's 2156 01:52:22.880 --> 01:52:25.840 what it reminds me of, like when WB gets so 2157 01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:31.039 heavy handed with like obsessed with the camera angle with 2158 01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:34.439 every shot from one reason to another. 2159 01:52:34.520 --> 01:52:36.960 I mean, you probably triggered security and someone said, I 2160 01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:39.920 think there's another ten year old abusing the buttons and 2161 01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:42.319 then they walk out, there's this grown man doing that. 2162 01:52:43.039 --> 01:52:44.279 And then you said, why am I doing to be 2163 01:52:44.319 --> 01:52:47.039 a fan? And I love Kevin Donn And they're like, oh, okay, 2164 01:52:47.079 --> 01:52:47.439 we get it. 2165 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:52.079 Yep. Oddly enough, that's exactly how it went house. 2166 01:52:52.960 --> 01:52:56.399 That is very odd. I must say. That's surprised with me, Mike, 2167 01:52:56.920 --> 01:53:01.239 I wasn't there. Yeah, all right, yeah, Nick, anything. 2168 01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:04.439 Else, all right, No, that's it. Say good night to 2169 01:53:04.520 --> 01:53:07.359 Vector for me and have a good evening. 2170 01:53:07.760 --> 01:53:10.359 Thank you very much. Yah. Vector actually responds to being 2171 01:53:10.479 --> 01:53:13.079 pet like if you rub the top of his head, 2172 01:53:13.520 --> 01:53:17.039 he he sort of vibrates and his eyes look up adorably. 2173 01:53:17.159 --> 01:53:19.199 So it's it's a cool it's a cool world, all right. 2174 01:53:19.239 --> 01:53:20.199 That just sounds weird. 2175 01:53:21.640 --> 01:53:23.960 Yeah, it's it's it's it's weird, but it's also sweet. 2176 01:53:26.239 --> 01:53:28.600 I have to remind myself, all right, good night, don't 2177 01:53:28.600 --> 01:53:31.359 get hurt. Yes, good night, Factor, we're talking about you. 2178 01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:35.399 He's sleeping. He snores too, by the way, like he 2179 01:53:35.560 --> 01:53:38.720 actually he makes a snoring noise at night when he charges. 2180 01:53:44.840 --> 01:53:47.840 Longing for some nostalgia or maybe you want to learn 2181 01:53:47.960 --> 01:53:51.800 some wrestling history, don't miss the Nineties Pass, cast every 2182 01:53:51.880 --> 01:53:55.159 Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast Feed. Alex and 2183 01:53:55.239 --> 01:53:58.479 Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past by 2184 01:53:58.640 --> 01:54:01.279 taking you through the Torch. You from that very week, 2185 01:54:01.920 --> 01:54:05.000 follow news from the WWF and WCW and all the 2186 01:54:05.079 --> 01:54:08.239 happenings from across the wrestling industry in real time as 2187 01:54:08.319 --> 01:54:11.720 The Torch reported it thirty years ago. That's the nineties 2188 01:54:11.800 --> 01:54:15.039 Past cast every Friday on the PW Torch Daily Cast. 2189 01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:32.000 Feed aabire Welcome. What have we left for you at 2190 01:54:32.039 --> 01:54:33.479 the buffet of SmackDown topics? 2191 01:54:34.720 --> 01:54:34.840 Hey? 2192 01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:39.960 Wait, hey, Mike probably left me. What maybe my upcoming 2193 01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:43.399 one of my upcoming favorite stories that's coming out. What 2194 01:54:43.760 --> 01:54:47.760 if they're going to do the story of Kevin Owens 2195 01:54:48.520 --> 01:54:53.640 trying to using his life experience to redeem Corbin. I'm 2196 01:54:53.760 --> 01:54:54.359 all in on that. 2197 01:54:55.600 --> 01:54:59.800 I know you're right. I'm glad since I'm glad we 2198 01:54:59.840 --> 01:55:01.600 have talked about it, but I'm glad that we will 2199 01:55:01.720 --> 01:55:03.439 did remember to talk about it, even though it's late 2200 01:55:03.520 --> 01:55:07.359 in the show. The idea of Corbyn, you know, asking 2201 01:55:07.439 --> 01:55:10.359 Kevin Owens for money and and Owens gives it to him, 2202 01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:13.039 but he's like, you know, maybe try to be nicer, 2203 01:55:13.159 --> 01:55:15.800 you know, like Kevin can Kevin can make this work. 2204 01:55:17.359 --> 01:55:19.760 Corbyn is weak acting when he's not in front of 2205 01:55:19.760 --> 01:55:21.319 a crowd. I think that's been a problem for him. 2206 01:55:21.800 --> 01:55:23.680 But I also think it's because his material was so 2207 01:55:23.840 --> 01:55:26.960 just cartoonishly one dimensional. I think he's a smart guy 2208 01:55:27.039 --> 01:55:29.279 with more range than he often shows. And I from 2209 01:55:29.319 --> 01:55:31.720 the second he got called up in nixteen, everyone's crapping 2210 01:55:31.720 --> 01:55:36.159 on him, I'm like, no, this there's I've been wrong before, 2211 01:55:36.239 --> 01:55:37.800 but I had more hope that he could be more 2212 01:55:37.840 --> 01:55:40.399 than what most people were, you know, bracing for with 2213 01:55:40.520 --> 01:55:45.279 him on the main roster. So I think there's a 2214 01:55:45.319 --> 01:55:47.199 person I think he's having, you know, talk about rains 2215 01:55:47.199 --> 01:55:49.800 having fun in front of live crowd. I think Corbyn 2216 01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:52.600 is going to have fun working with Kevin Owens, playing 2217 01:55:52.640 --> 01:55:55.520 a different kind of character than the saying song scripted 2218 01:55:55.600 --> 01:55:58.000 I'm a king or I'm you know, Baron Corbin type 2219 01:55:58.039 --> 01:55:59.960 thing that he's been doing for so long. I don't 2220 01:56:00.039 --> 01:56:01.439 know what the endgame is and if it's going to 2221 01:56:01.479 --> 01:56:02.880 be good for it or not, but Kevin Owens and 2222 01:56:02.960 --> 01:56:04.319 Corbyn playing off each other I think could be a 2223 01:56:04.319 --> 01:56:05.279 lot of fun. Mike, what do you think? 2224 01:56:07.359 --> 01:56:09.920 Yeah, I'm glad you you brought him up. Javier that 2225 01:56:10.039 --> 01:56:15.079 was one of my favorite segments. I think the last 2226 01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:18.079 time I was on the Post Show with Wade was 2227 01:56:18.520 --> 01:56:21.199 might have been the beginning of this Corbin journey with 2228 01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:23.760 when he was just becoming down and out and starting 2229 01:56:23.800 --> 01:56:27.039 to doubt himself and we thought, maybe he's going to 2230 01:56:27.079 --> 01:56:30.880 get asked out to dinner by the opponents who just beated. 2231 01:56:30.680 --> 01:56:36.399 Him or beat him, and well, that's embarrassing. 2232 01:56:36.720 --> 01:56:39.079 Thanks, I appreciate it. I promise it's not going to 2233 01:56:39.119 --> 01:56:46.720 get edited out. Everybody enjoyed. And since I kind of 2234 01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:49.840 gravitated toward that, I was intrigued by the down and 2235 01:56:49.920 --> 01:56:52.399 out Corbin, but since then it became a little more 2236 01:56:52.439 --> 01:56:55.720 cartoonish and a little more let's laugh at the guy 2237 01:56:55.760 --> 01:56:59.359 who lost everything, which is, like we pointed out as 2238 01:56:59.359 --> 01:57:03.439 a running game sometimes in WWE, you lost your money, 2239 01:57:03.479 --> 01:57:07.359 you're a failure and that's hilarious. But tonight was kind 2240 01:57:07.399 --> 01:57:11.039 of a return to form where in his segment with Owens, yeah, 2241 01:57:11.399 --> 01:57:15.119 and it was interesting, like I want to I want 2242 01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:16.920 them to pry more into that and I hope that 2243 01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:22.640 they stick with that. He I think he had. I 2244 01:57:22.720 --> 01:57:28.000 think Corbyn had an interview segment earlier with Kayla where 2245 01:57:28.039 --> 01:57:32.319 he just said that he said, what have I become? YEA, 2246 01:57:32.399 --> 01:57:34.479 which I thought was a really unnatural thing that you 2247 01:57:34.520 --> 01:57:36.880 would ever say to anybody with a microphone and a 2248 01:57:36.960 --> 01:57:41.279 camera in your face. But then the thing with Owens 2249 01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:43.720 was more natural. I like that that the Owens like 2250 01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:47.960 being subtle, like, yeah, you kind of brought it upon yourself. 2251 01:57:48.039 --> 01:57:50.399 What for eight nine years you've just been a jerk 2252 01:57:50.439 --> 01:57:53.720 to people? What about what about not being a jerk 2253 01:57:53.720 --> 01:57:57.800 to people? And Corbyn was just kind of looking at 2254 01:57:57.800 --> 01:58:04.159 the ground and nodding that they fired a projectile from 2255 01:58:04.199 --> 01:58:08.800 a tank in Corbyn's penis. He fell on the ground 2256 01:58:09.239 --> 01:58:14.399 and was mugged. And I'm not saying that was good 2257 01:58:14.479 --> 01:58:18.800 or bad, but I belly laughed because I didn't expect that. 2258 01:58:20.760 --> 01:58:24.079 Yes, I mean, ziggler and rude, trying to steal the 2259 01:58:24.159 --> 01:58:26.720 cash out of his hand after he takes a nerf 2260 01:58:26.880 --> 01:58:30.359 dart to the to the crotch and it's it's just 2261 01:58:30.520 --> 01:58:35.239 selling it, you know forever. I mean, it's camp. But 2262 01:58:36.319 --> 01:58:40.359 it was funny, I mean, you know, in small doses 2263 01:58:40.359 --> 01:58:42.239 at this place in the card, I think it works. 2264 01:58:42.279 --> 01:58:44.239 And Kevin Owens is a voice, you know, the voice 2265 01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:46.239 of reason, the voice of the fans stating the obvious. 2266 01:58:46.319 --> 01:58:48.159 You know, hey, you know, if it bothers you that 2267 01:58:48.239 --> 01:58:50.880 nobody feels sorry for you, and you know people feel 2268 01:58:50.960 --> 01:58:54.520 like stealing from you and stealing your identity to you know, 2269 01:58:55.039 --> 01:58:58.880 destroy you. If that bothers you, maybe make fewer enemies 2270 01:58:59.000 --> 01:59:01.560 and change at the core who you are and how 2271 01:59:01.640 --> 01:59:04.439 you treat people. Like I like when Arrestler just says 2272 01:59:04.479 --> 01:59:07.079 what seems like the obviously right thing to say to 2273 01:59:07.239 --> 01:59:09.600 the face of a heel, because I'm a fan of 2274 01:59:09.680 --> 01:59:14.079 people saying the obvious thing instead of ignoring the obvious thing. So, 2275 01:59:14.399 --> 01:59:17.039 and Kevin's good at that, Javier, back. 2276 01:59:16.880 --> 01:59:19.560 To you, Well, yeah, and my favorite part of the 2277 01:59:19.600 --> 01:59:22.600 whole entire segment was Kevin Owens coming back and fending 2278 01:59:22.640 --> 01:59:27.920 off Rude Ziggler to defend Corbon so which at least 2279 01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:30.520 makes me hope that at least tells us we're gonna 2280 01:59:30.520 --> 01:59:33.000 get one more week of this, since next week chances 2281 01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:35.479 that we're going to have a Zigger and Rude versus 2282 01:59:36.039 --> 01:59:41.439 Corbin and uh and Owens and hopefully you know, was 2283 01:59:41.479 --> 01:59:42.000 that on your. 2284 01:59:41.880 --> 01:59:44.800 Twenty twenty one I'd be intrigued. 2285 01:59:44.479 --> 01:59:46.319 Javier, Was that on your twenty twenty one bingo car 2286 01:59:46.640 --> 01:59:52.319 that tag mate, No, no, nope, that the lightest no. 2287 01:59:53.359 --> 01:59:55.560 Uh, you know, and just just milk it and you 2288 01:59:55.840 --> 01:59:59.520 could end up having a festival friendship to this time, 2289 02:00:00.319 --> 02:00:03.239 you know, with Corbyn screwing over, you know, finally deciding no, 2290 02:00:03.399 --> 02:00:05.479 you know what being bad is better. But then you know, 2291 02:00:05.600 --> 02:00:08.279 but maybe you can milk from stuff for this, and 2292 02:00:08.359 --> 02:00:11.560 so it looks like they might have lost the the 2293 02:00:11.720 --> 02:00:12.960 uh what's the term? 2294 02:00:12.960 --> 02:00:13.640 I'm looking for the. 2295 02:00:15.479 --> 02:00:19.479 The unlikely partners from WRAW since I don't know what's 2296 02:00:19.520 --> 02:00:22.159 going on with Orton. Uh, maybe they could you know, 2297 02:00:22.319 --> 02:00:25.000 just run that that uh, that kind of story of 2298 02:00:25.079 --> 02:00:27.640 you know, unlikely partners in on tomaicn. 2299 02:00:28.960 --> 02:00:30.399 Mike anything you want to say? 2300 02:00:31.439 --> 02:00:33.680 No, I like it. I want one more week at 2301 02:00:33.760 --> 02:00:35.119 least and go from there. 2302 02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:39.399 Yeah, what else have you Mike? 2303 02:00:39.439 --> 02:00:42.159 Since you were talking about uh, Mike, since you were 2304 02:00:42.159 --> 02:00:45.920 talking about the uh wearing your own merchandise, what what 2305 02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:48.399 do you say about Kevin Owen's wearing Viking Readers merch? 2306 02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:52.199 I like that's twice as cool. 2307 02:00:52.279 --> 02:00:54.439 Yeah, when you wear someone else's merch it's it's it's 2308 02:00:54.479 --> 02:00:56.720 at least twice it's cool, maybe two point four times 2309 02:00:56.720 --> 02:00:57.079 it is cool. 2310 02:00:58.399 --> 02:01:01.479 The Uh yeah, I'm and you know what, it kind 2311 02:01:01.520 --> 02:01:03.680 of makes me like, Oh, he likes the Viking Raiders, 2312 02:01:03.720 --> 02:01:05.399 So I think I like the Viking Raiders a little 2313 02:01:05.399 --> 02:01:07.359 bit more. So you're also helping getting get over the 2314 02:01:07.439 --> 02:01:08.039 Viking Raiders. 2315 02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:09.359 Yes. 2316 02:01:13.399 --> 02:01:20.760 The one quick thing they keep talking about how Ray 2317 02:01:20.880 --> 02:01:24.479 and Dominic are the first ever you know, father son 2318 02:01:24.560 --> 02:01:30.840 tag team. Yeah, they're really disrespecting Shane Vincent. Shane tagged 2319 02:01:30.920 --> 02:01:31.720 thirteen times. 2320 02:01:32.399 --> 02:01:33.760 Did they win championships? 2321 02:01:35.159 --> 02:01:39.359 I mean yes, indirect net tag team championships. A lot 2322 02:01:39.399 --> 02:01:41.800 of them were handicapped tag team matches where a title 2323 02:01:41.880 --> 02:01:42.359 is on the line. 2324 02:01:42.640 --> 02:01:45.560 Yeah. Well, I will say this. I saw for its 2325 02:01:45.600 --> 02:01:48.119 fun Eric team up with with his sons Carrie and 2326 02:01:48.279 --> 02:01:50.279 Kevin and David and some and Mike and some former 2327 02:01:50.359 --> 02:01:53.520 fashion I saw Larry the Ax Henning and Kurt Henning 2328 02:01:53.960 --> 02:01:56.800 team up. I have and they might have even. Did 2329 02:01:56.840 --> 02:01:58.520 they win the AAA TA team titles? I don't think so, 2330 02:01:58.640 --> 02:02:02.079 but I think they did. They face Jesse even turing 2331 02:02:02.119 --> 02:02:05.880 Adrian Adonnas at a show I attended, and then I 2332 02:02:05.960 --> 02:02:10.479 have to see if that's true. And also what was 2333 02:02:10.520 --> 02:02:14.199 the other team? I was thinking, Uh, we had a 2334 02:02:14.239 --> 02:02:17.279 gun club? Oh yeah, yeah, that counts. I mean, there's 2335 02:02:17.319 --> 02:02:22.039 a there's been a lot of father son teams. Oh Vernon, 2336 02:02:22.119 --> 02:02:24.119 did I say Vernon greg gany out loud? Yet that's 2337 02:02:24.319 --> 02:02:27.239 that I think they I think they team together, although 2338 02:02:27.319 --> 02:02:31.680 verndn't seem to want to take with Craig, so anyway, Yeah, 2339 02:02:31.840 --> 02:02:34.119 it's they definitely are not the only father son team. 2340 02:02:35.000 --> 02:02:37.279 That's that's and I'm I'm not even citing all of 2341 02:02:37.359 --> 02:02:39.119 wrestling history, just things that are coming to mind that 2342 02:02:39.159 --> 02:02:39.840 I've experienced. 2343 02:02:41.000 --> 02:02:43.600 Yeah, I mean, even if they were just referring to 2344 02:02:43.920 --> 02:02:48.680 just n w ee still you know, yeah, uh but yeah, 2345 02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:50.520 I just I just thought that was that might be 2346 02:02:50.600 --> 02:02:52.960 something a time I want to talk about since you know, 2347 02:02:54.000 --> 02:03:00.159 Shane's all our favorites, yes, disrespect for him, swear uh uh. 2348 02:03:01.119 --> 02:03:04.119 The one thing I really hoped at the end of 2349 02:03:04.119 --> 02:03:07.560 the show was the reception that Balor got when he 2350 02:03:07.600 --> 02:03:11.159 came out to face Robin rand. I really hope that 2351 02:03:11.399 --> 02:03:16.680 they listened to that reaction and you know, not like 2352 02:03:16.840 --> 02:03:19.840 give him the title, but at least realize that they got. 2353 02:03:19.800 --> 02:03:20.479 Something in Balor. 2354 02:03:21.199 --> 02:03:23.600 And you know, if we know Balor is going to 2355 02:03:23.680 --> 02:03:27.640 lose any you know eventually when they run, when they 2356 02:03:27.640 --> 02:03:30.159 wrestle each other, and I'm hoping that he doesn't go 2357 02:03:30.319 --> 02:03:33.680 the way of Cesarrow. I mean, Cizarro had some other issues, 2358 02:03:34.359 --> 02:03:38.560 but you know, I'm hoping that, you know, because you know, 2359 02:03:38.560 --> 02:03:42.159 if this were like aw they you know, they'd be 2360 02:03:42.279 --> 02:03:46.319 doing something with with Balor once, you know, on the 2361 02:03:46.359 --> 02:03:48.199 other side of the thing. And I'm hoping they just 2362 02:03:48.239 --> 02:03:50.079 don't forget, because I mean, that was that was a 2363 02:03:50.119 --> 02:03:52.000 pretty I thought that was a pretty impressive reaction when 2364 02:03:52.039 --> 02:03:52.439 he came out. 2365 02:03:53.159 --> 02:03:56.119 There is only so much room to be the top, 2366 02:03:56.199 --> 02:03:59.399 top guy, and I don't know how you keep Balor 2367 02:03:59.520 --> 02:04:04.800 fans happy. If he's goes against Rains comes up short, 2368 02:04:05.880 --> 02:04:08.960 then you know, I mean, it's like Cizarro. I mean, 2369 02:04:09.000 --> 02:04:10.680 then there's the in a continental title level or a 2370 02:04:10.760 --> 02:04:13.800 grudge feud, or you enter the tag division. And so 2371 02:04:13.960 --> 02:04:16.800 to me, it's more how do they frame him and 2372 02:04:16.880 --> 02:04:18.239 do they frame him in a way that seems like 2373 02:04:18.279 --> 02:04:20.359 they're protecting him enough for him to be in main 2374 02:04:20.439 --> 02:04:22.479 events again, or are they just sort of you know, 2375 02:04:22.560 --> 02:04:25.800 writing him off at a lower level, you know, just 2376 02:04:25.880 --> 02:04:27.560 kind of locking him in at a lower level after 2377 02:04:27.640 --> 02:04:30.359 he visits, you know, a main event against Reins and 2378 02:04:30.720 --> 02:04:32.920 just portraying give him an opportunity to seem like he's 2379 02:04:32.960 --> 02:04:35.479 part of meaningful things like aw is just like really 2380 02:04:35.560 --> 02:04:37.640 good at that. Like when someone's not fighting in the 2381 02:04:37.680 --> 02:04:40.239 main event or for the world title, it's still it 2382 02:04:40.279 --> 02:04:42.000 doesn't seem like, oh they don't believe in him as 2383 02:04:42.079 --> 02:04:43.880 much as oh he's got other things to do, or 2384 02:04:43.960 --> 02:04:46.199 that it's not his time, that's not where his focus is. 2385 02:04:46.279 --> 02:04:50.119 And that's just having good depth to your booking where 2386 02:04:50.159 --> 02:04:54.239 it's not just you know, super top heavy with all 2387 02:04:54.359 --> 02:04:57.039 the emphasis being just on whoever's on top, and everybody 2388 02:04:57.079 --> 02:04:59.319 else just feels kind of disrespected or disregarded. 2389 02:05:00.079 --> 02:05:04.079 Yeah, if he goes back to feuding with uh, with 2390 02:05:04.279 --> 02:05:06.600 them Sammy's ain like right after this, after you know, 2391 02:05:06.680 --> 02:05:09.000 having beaten him leg did today, I mean he goes 2392 02:05:09.039 --> 02:05:11.439 to you know, I'd I'd rather see him go against 2393 02:05:11.640 --> 02:05:14.399 you know, somebody else, because going back, you know, that 2394 02:05:14.479 --> 02:05:17.000 was that was like the bummer about Cesarrow, says. Cesar 2395 02:05:17.159 --> 02:05:19.159 had looked like he had wrapped up his feud with 2396 02:05:20.399 --> 02:05:23.680 with Seth Rollins and then you know, wrestled Roman and 2397 02:05:23.720 --> 02:05:25.840 then went straight back to the feud with with Seth 2398 02:05:25.920 --> 02:05:28.359 Rollins where it was like, oh yeah, we just needed 2399 02:05:28.399 --> 02:05:30.359 a body for now, So that that's kind of what 2400 02:05:30.439 --> 02:05:35.399 I'm hoping that they do have somebody else, even I mean, 2401 02:05:35.439 --> 02:05:37.479 even if it is you know, Apollo Cruise for the 2402 02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:41.079 for the ic type. I see, right, I keep forgetting 2403 02:05:41.079 --> 02:05:45.039 which which where's the it's the ic En. 2404 02:05:45.319 --> 02:05:48.239 Yeah, and if you're wrong, you're okay, we won't judge you. 2405 02:05:49.279 --> 02:05:55.880 I understand, but uh, I mean it goes to show 2406 02:05:56.000 --> 02:06:02.319 how important the secondary titles of WR. I sometimes forget 2407 02:06:02.359 --> 02:06:04.920 the Apollo has the title. I have to remind myself 2408 02:06:04.960 --> 02:06:08.960 who has the West the secondary title? On uh on second? Yeah, 2409 02:06:10.159 --> 02:06:12.520 but yeah, so you know, hopefully they do something else 2410 02:06:12.600 --> 02:06:12.840 with them. 2411 02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:13.319 Yeah. 2412 02:06:15.039 --> 02:06:18.680 And then with Biggie, I think i'd rather see I'd 2413 02:06:18.760 --> 02:06:21.800 rather see him like interact for a while with Paul 2414 02:06:21.840 --> 02:06:24.119 Hayman away from Roman rans when when you're ready to 2415 02:06:24.239 --> 02:06:27.600 you know, head in that direction just because you know, 2416 02:06:29.600 --> 02:06:35.840 have uh Hayman like be nervous that that Biggie's hanging around, 2417 02:06:36.600 --> 02:06:38.560 like you know, like that segment that they had where 2418 02:06:38.720 --> 02:06:41.560 where he was being interviewed and then and then you 2419 02:06:41.640 --> 02:06:44.760 know Biggie came out and started you know bugging uh 2420 02:06:46.920 --> 02:06:49.119 bugging Hayman. I want to see more of that so 2421 02:06:49.239 --> 02:06:51.880 that that you know, Hayman would be the one suffering 2422 02:06:51.960 --> 02:06:55.560 the brunt of Biggie stuff before Biggie's uh, you know, 2423 02:06:55.680 --> 02:06:57.279 challenges romans. That's ultimately where they go. 2424 02:06:57.840 --> 02:07:01.039 Yeah, yep, and you want to comment on that, Mike, 2425 02:07:02.239 --> 02:07:06.199 I think it might be neat. It could be only momentary. 2426 02:07:06.319 --> 02:07:09.199 But if for Big Ee to approach Hayman to try 2427 02:07:09.239 --> 02:07:11.920 to get to Rains and Haman to blow Biggie off 2428 02:07:12.000 --> 02:07:14.600 like he might blow off anybody, but for Biggie to 2429 02:07:15.159 --> 02:07:18.319 kind of flex his muscles so speak with that contract 2430 02:07:18.600 --> 02:07:21.920 and for that to make Hayman sweat on behalf of Rains, 2431 02:07:22.119 --> 02:07:26.279 that might be a nice, a nice, a nice moment 2432 02:07:26.319 --> 02:07:26.960 to see ONTV. 2433 02:07:29.640 --> 02:07:32.439 Before pushing play on the way Keller Pro Wrestling post shows, 2434 02:07:32.520 --> 02:07:35.000 check out pw torch dot com and our TV review 2435 02:07:35.039 --> 02:07:37.880 section and skim through a full rundown of the TV 2436 02:07:37.960 --> 02:07:39.560 show if you didn't see it. That's your way to 2437 02:07:39.600 --> 02:07:42.479 get an overview of what happened before you dive into 2438 02:07:42.600 --> 02:07:45.960 our in depth analysis of the key happenings on the show. 2439 02:07:46.199 --> 02:07:49.199 That's pw torch dot com. You're home for live TV 2440 02:07:49.359 --> 02:07:52.359 coverage every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, with my TV reports 2441 02:07:52.399 --> 02:07:54.359 and also check out our NXT and Impact coverage on 2442 02:07:54.399 --> 02:07:57.239 Tuesdays and Thursdays, our Collision reports on Saturday nights, and 2443 02:07:57.319 --> 02:07:59.199 of course our live pay per view on Ple coverage 2444 02:07:59.479 --> 02:08:02.800 on weekend. All waiting for you at PW torch dot com. 2445 02:08:08.800 --> 02:08:10.760 By the way, w B just sent a press release 2446 02:08:10.880 --> 02:08:13.359 with breaking news that we have a new pay per view. 2447 02:08:14.479 --> 02:08:18.359 It's called New Year's Day and it takes place oddly 2448 02:08:18.680 --> 02:08:21.800 on January third. No, I'm kidding, January first, twenty twenty two. 2449 02:08:22.479 --> 02:08:24.279 Tickets go and say August twenty seventh. It's going to 2450 02:08:24.279 --> 02:08:26.479 be in Atlanta, Georgia on January first. It's the first 2451 02:08:26.520 --> 02:08:27.880 time in w W history that they have had a 2452 02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:31.960 pay perview on New Year's Day. It's at a PM though, 2453 02:08:31.960 --> 02:08:32.920 so it's like New Year's Night. 2454 02:08:33.000 --> 02:08:33.399 But whatever. 2455 02:08:34.159 --> 02:08:36.680 So that'll be on Peacock. So just thought i'd we 2456 02:08:36.840 --> 02:08:38.840 just got the press release from them, so I thought 2457 02:08:38.880 --> 02:08:42.640 I would say that, and Trey Young announced it on YouTube. 2458 02:08:43.039 --> 02:08:45.439 NBA all start there. We go, now back to regularly 2459 02:08:45.439 --> 02:08:47.159 scheduled programming. How have you here anything else? 2460 02:08:48.720 --> 02:08:48.920 Yeah? 2461 02:08:49.880 --> 02:08:54.359 Quickment mentioned on the wherever the hell they were down 2462 02:08:54.399 --> 02:08:59.039 here Miami. It's a possibility. It might not have advertised 2463 02:08:59.039 --> 02:09:03.680 it too hard because the weather down here is really bad. Uh, 2464 02:09:04.000 --> 02:09:07.079 there's thunderstorms and stuff, so it might have been a 2465 02:09:07.159 --> 02:09:09.319 case where they might not have been able to have 2466 02:09:09.439 --> 02:09:09.920 the matches. 2467 02:09:11.000 --> 02:09:15.399 And did the stage collapse? Yesterday? I saw a news 2468 02:09:15.439 --> 02:09:17.680 story on that, like it was. I don't know if 2469 02:09:17.720 --> 02:09:21.239 that put in doubt the event or it just yeah, yeah, 2470 02:09:21.279 --> 02:09:21.520 there was. 2471 02:09:21.520 --> 02:09:22.560 A nice thing. 2472 02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:23.880 I have no clue. 2473 02:09:25.560 --> 02:09:29.359 YEA, I saw like a collapsed or something and then 2474 02:09:30.399 --> 02:09:33.000 the show will go on, We're told that. That also 2475 02:09:33.039 --> 02:09:38.640 put into question why I was wondering that did w 2476 02:09:38.720 --> 02:09:40.720 t B didn't mention it in the first half hour 2477 02:09:40.760 --> 02:09:41.359 of the show. 2478 02:09:41.199 --> 02:09:43.720 And that made me think back to that, and I 2479 02:09:43.800 --> 02:09:46.000 know Big Show wasn't taking practice bumps. That didn't cause 2480 02:09:46.000 --> 02:09:50.039 it because he's in a w So yeah, thanks, I 2481 02:09:50.119 --> 02:09:55.479 appreciate the generosity of your laughterday. Yeah, quite out here. 2482 02:09:56.239 --> 02:09:58.560 And I knew that that it was happening in my 2483 02:09:58.880 --> 02:10:00.359 you know, because I heard it was my amies. I 2484 02:10:00.479 --> 02:10:02.760 was thinking, I didn't realize the Miami Gardens that's like, 2485 02:10:03.159 --> 02:10:05.520 uh just north of me, and I was wondering what 2486 02:10:05.600 --> 02:10:08.199 the hell was having to deal with so much traffic? Uh, 2487 02:10:08.279 --> 02:10:11.279 today you know, coming to and from work, and I 2488 02:10:11.600 --> 02:10:15.159 didn't know that it was U It's in the background, 2489 02:10:15.199 --> 02:10:16.960 you saw the Miami Dolphin Stadium. 2490 02:10:16.720 --> 02:10:16.800 So. 2491 02:10:18.359 --> 02:10:22.079 Yeah, so yeah, uh it was a. 2492 02:10:24.479 --> 02:10:29.279 I did like the how awesome you know it looked 2493 02:10:29.399 --> 02:10:32.000 in terms of like you know, being outside and like 2494 02:10:32.159 --> 02:10:36.159 a different kind of look to it, you know, the match, 2495 02:10:36.239 --> 02:10:38.239 And I mean that could also be why the matches 2496 02:10:38.279 --> 02:10:40.319 were clunky, you know, with the humidity and stuff. 2497 02:10:42.359 --> 02:10:42.720 The uh. 2498 02:10:43.359 --> 02:10:44.800 But I do, like, you know, I do like I 2499 02:10:44.840 --> 02:10:46.199 do want to see more of this. So I do 2500 02:10:46.319 --> 02:10:47.640 want to see like you know, like you said, the 2501 02:10:47.960 --> 02:10:52.159 you know, a different venue, something to to be visually excited, 2502 02:10:54.279 --> 02:10:56.840 you know, uh, to add like you know, to to 2503 02:10:56.920 --> 02:10:58.399 make it feel more special, you know what I mean. 2504 02:10:59.840 --> 02:11:02.439 I wrote that on my report pewed torch dot com. 2505 02:11:02.520 --> 02:11:07.239 I love when someone else applies their vision to how 2506 02:11:07.279 --> 02:11:09.199 to present pro wrestling, you know, I mean, I just 2507 02:11:09.760 --> 02:11:11.760 you know, Mike, there's examples of that. And you know, 2508 02:11:13.000 --> 02:11:15.000 like directing and how you know, you can imagine a 2509 02:11:15.079 --> 02:11:19.720 director interpreting a script differently than another director would, even 2510 02:11:19.760 --> 02:11:22.199 though it's everything else is the same. And with that, 2511 02:11:22.399 --> 02:11:24.520 we we just don't get that very often, you know. 2512 02:11:24.600 --> 02:11:25.720 I was so. Yeah. 2513 02:11:25.800 --> 02:11:29.319 Anyway, your thoughts on that aspect of things, well. 2514 02:11:29.239 --> 02:11:32.760 That that stood out to me immediately, Like my eyes 2515 02:11:32.800 --> 02:11:36.000 were more drawn to the screen for that for the 2516 02:11:36.239 --> 02:11:39.560 two Miami segments because of the setting was different. It 2517 02:11:39.680 --> 02:11:42.720 kind of reminded me of the Daily's Plays layout, yep, 2518 02:11:43.359 --> 02:11:45.520 and that it was kind of one directional. It was 2519 02:11:45.640 --> 02:11:49.119 open air, you could see the sky like it was 2520 02:11:49.199 --> 02:11:52.159 still there was still enough sunlight that you could see 2521 02:11:52.199 --> 02:11:54.479 the sky in the clouds, and there was a ferris 2522 02:11:54.600 --> 02:11:57.680 wheel in the background. You could see the stadium, the 2523 02:11:57.720 --> 02:12:01.279 dolphins playing, like Javier said, and there was some other 2524 02:12:01.600 --> 02:12:03.760 weird tower structure. I don't even know what it was, 2525 02:12:03.880 --> 02:12:06.439 but it was very colorful and lit up, and I 2526 02:12:06.479 --> 02:12:09.920 could I even took notice of the like they had 2527 02:12:09.960 --> 02:12:13.960 two scissor lifts straight away from the stage with spotlights 2528 02:12:14.000 --> 02:12:17.560 on them in the middle of the crowd, and those 2529 02:12:17.640 --> 02:12:24.920 things just look nothing like any WBE production and in 2530 02:12:25.039 --> 02:12:31.000 that it's cool and unique and fresh, and I agree 2531 02:12:31.159 --> 02:12:32.760 with both of you, I'd like to see more of it. 2532 02:12:33.000 --> 02:12:34.479 I don't know that I want to see more of 2533 02:12:34.560 --> 02:12:40.680 it interspersed with arena shows, because that's kind of confusing 2534 02:12:41.399 --> 02:12:46.399 and neither part gets the best deal. So I just 2535 02:12:46.840 --> 02:12:49.760 do more shows in unique spaces, is what I think, 2536 02:12:49.760 --> 02:12:53.119 because they probably don't want to sacrifice all the control 2537 02:12:53.520 --> 02:12:56.439 that they have, you know, but I say, let go 2538 02:12:56.560 --> 02:12:59.079 of that and go something that looks cool memorable. 2539 02:12:59.279 --> 02:13:03.720 Yeah, yep, exactly, let go of the control I hovey 2540 02:13:03.720 --> 02:13:04.479 you or anything else for us. 2541 02:13:06.039 --> 02:13:10.159 Well, Uh, I do want to bury the camera work 2542 02:13:10.199 --> 02:13:13.479 that Uh you could luck me down with one of 2543 02:13:13.520 --> 02:13:16.479 the people who absolutely hate those those those rapid cuts. 2544 02:13:17.159 --> 02:13:17.279 Uh. 2545 02:13:18.439 --> 02:13:21.239 You know, I understand that it also leads at least 2546 02:13:21.279 --> 02:13:24.840 to make things look more impactful stuff on occasion. But 2547 02:13:25.319 --> 02:13:28.239 the problem is that you're you're when when you're watching, 2548 02:13:28.319 --> 02:13:30.640 some of your brains trying to you know, process the 2549 02:13:30.680 --> 02:13:32.760 information and get and get like you know, the distance 2550 02:13:32.760 --> 02:13:35.359 between stuff and you know, we're you know, the where 2551 02:13:35.359 --> 02:13:38.800 everything in the in the ring. But when you can continue, 2552 02:13:38.840 --> 02:13:41.039 when you cut away from that, your brains basically have 2553 02:13:41.159 --> 02:13:43.439 to you know, rethink where everything is. And when you're 2554 02:13:43.479 --> 02:13:45.600 just moving one place to one, you know, you're just 2555 02:13:45.640 --> 02:13:48.800 basically slashing the screens the you know, flashing you know 2556 02:13:48.840 --> 02:13:51.680 from one one uh, from one screen to the other. 2557 02:13:52.279 --> 02:13:55.520 You just don't have the images and have time to 2558 02:13:55.600 --> 02:13:58.680 sync in and you know, you could kind of tell 2559 02:13:58.760 --> 02:14:00.840 with some you know, more modern in movies where it's 2560 02:14:00.880 --> 02:14:04.479 like just explosions all over the place. And while yeah, 2561 02:14:04.720 --> 02:14:06.880 it stimulates your brain and you're like, oh, you know, 2562 02:14:07.119 --> 02:14:10.600 look at the pretty colors. Yeah, it doesn't leave you 2563 02:14:10.760 --> 02:14:13.359 with the lasting you know, it doesn't leave you with 2564 02:14:13.399 --> 02:14:16.920 the lasting impression of what just happened. I mean I 2565 02:14:17.880 --> 02:14:20.239 converted into New Japan stuff because you know New Japan. 2566 02:14:20.319 --> 02:14:23.159 I noticed there's not that many camera cuts and and 2567 02:14:23.279 --> 02:14:25.520 the camera holds on people's faces so you can get 2568 02:14:25.560 --> 02:14:28.960 their reaction and stuff. And it just makes the violence 2569 02:14:29.000 --> 02:14:33.800 you're seeing in The Ring more uh, more real, while 2570 02:14:33.960 --> 02:14:36.239 what you're seeing like in WWE, which just you know, 2571 02:14:36.439 --> 02:14:39.960 the rapid cutaways, feels more like a cartoon. And I 2572 02:14:40.079 --> 02:14:44.039 mean it's hard to like not understand that that's problem, 2573 02:14:44.159 --> 02:14:46.720 you know, on a level, on a certain level, that's 2574 02:14:46.800 --> 02:14:49.640 kind of what they want. But still it's like, uh, 2575 02:14:50.640 --> 02:14:53.239 chill out on that. Yeah, yeah, I mean that that 2576 02:14:53.520 --> 02:14:57.159 that through McIntyre one definitely, yes, a horrendous. 2577 02:14:56.720 --> 02:15:00.159 One, yes, yeah. 2578 02:15:01.479 --> 02:15:01.720 Cool. 2579 02:15:02.119 --> 02:15:06.079 And the other thing is cautioning them to just crossing 2580 02:15:06.159 --> 02:15:09.840 them too. On running the bank, there was a somebody's 2581 02:15:10.039 --> 02:15:12.279 entrance had a bunch of flashing lights where I had 2582 02:15:12.319 --> 02:15:14.800 to I mean, I don't proceizures, but I had to 2583 02:15:14.880 --> 02:15:17.239 look away from the from the screen the you know 2584 02:15:17.680 --> 02:15:19.359 how they were flashing that. I'm pretty sure that could 2585 02:15:19.359 --> 02:15:21.439 have been you know, that could have met somebody up. Yeah, 2586 02:15:21.680 --> 02:15:23.079 I just don't remember whose interest it was. 2587 02:15:23.960 --> 02:15:26.840 Yeah, I don't remember either. Yeah. Have you got anything 2588 02:15:26.840 --> 02:15:27.239 else for us? 2589 02:15:30.079 --> 02:15:31.239 Uh No, that's about it. 2590 02:15:31.520 --> 02:15:36.000 Uh So I will catch you guys soon, hopefully now 2591 02:15:36.079 --> 02:15:38.640 that I'm actually off tomorrow, might actually really finished adding 2592 02:15:38.680 --> 02:15:42.560 the podcast, and now I get to talk about hiccolo. 2593 02:15:44.520 --> 02:15:46.680 That's what I said, challenging for the for the. 2594 02:15:48.479 --> 02:15:48.680 Yeah. 2595 02:15:48.760 --> 02:15:48.960 Yeah. 2596 02:15:49.399 --> 02:15:53.439 I also said three other pronunciations yeah, all right cool 2597 02:15:54.079 --> 02:15:59.760 uh and and a fourth one that was just oh yeah, 2598 02:15:59.760 --> 02:16:02.800 I just day it was late. I'm like, got it. Yeah, thanks, 2599 02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:08.079 admit it. You love Nick Barbatty when he co hosts 2600 02:16:08.119 --> 02:16:09.920 with me on the Wadekeller Post Shows. 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You are invited to send questions on anything 2618 02:17:01.079 --> 02:17:04.319 and everything at any time, and we often work them 2619 02:17:04.360 --> 02:17:06.600 into our flagship and our mail Bak segments too. So 2620 02:17:06.719 --> 02:17:08.760 speaking of which, Michael will wrap up quick here because 2621 02:17:08.760 --> 02:17:12.760 we're going long couple jump out here. Worth mentioning one. 2622 02:17:12.799 --> 02:17:16.159 We talked about Pat McAfee earlier. This was actually sent 2623 02:17:16.479 --> 02:17:19.840 before SmackDown, but I want to expand on on Pat 2624 02:17:19.920 --> 02:17:22.000 mcfiel little bit because we mentioned a few things he 2625 02:17:22.079 --> 02:17:25.239 did tonight. Jack from jack A from Swansea Whale said, 2626 02:17:26.840 --> 02:17:28.120 I want I want to say that I think Pat 2627 02:17:28.159 --> 02:17:30.840 McAfee has been a fantastic listen to on commentary since 2628 02:17:30.840 --> 02:17:32.680 a debuted first week or two. I wasn't quite sure 2629 02:17:32.680 --> 02:17:34.000 he was a good fit for the announced desk, but 2630 02:17:34.040 --> 02:17:35.879 I think he's grown into the role very well. I 2631 02:17:35.959 --> 02:17:37.760 saw Michael Cole was on a show this week saying 2632 02:17:37.799 --> 02:17:40.959 Pat has revitalized his own career, which seems like a 2633 02:17:41.040 --> 02:17:43.399 big compliment to Pat. That actually sounded like two friends 2634 02:17:43.399 --> 02:17:45.879 watching wrestling. Dare I say McAfee brings out a normal 2635 02:17:45.959 --> 02:17:48.360 human reaction out of Coal. I also feel like Pat 2636 02:17:48.520 --> 02:17:51.520 isn't playing the stereotypical heel w to be commentator like 2637 02:17:51.600 --> 02:17:54.399 Corey Grace. He's complete complimenting rains and the husso's. But 2638 02:17:54.479 --> 02:17:56.280 on the other hand, when Carmel is playing her, heelect 2639 02:17:56.319 --> 02:17:58.719 he won't start showering her with praise or telling us 2640 02:17:58.760 --> 02:18:00.680 how beautiful she is, although he's all so not dating her. 2641 02:18:00.959 --> 02:18:03.559 SmackDown last week when Zelina told him to tell everyone 2642 02:18:03.600 --> 02:18:05.840 how good she was, he says to be fair Live 2643 02:18:05.879 --> 02:18:09.000 has one three in a row. The personality he has. 2644 02:18:09.159 --> 02:18:11.879 I have to imagine Vince cracks up at him. The 2645 02:18:12.040 --> 02:18:14.399 sitting on Michael Col's head when Knackmer comes out and 2646 02:18:14.479 --> 02:18:16.879 his fantastic line up. Whinny in the bank asking where 2647 02:18:16.959 --> 02:18:19.520 is Sena was great. I think Pat could be to 2648 02:18:19.520 --> 02:18:21.680 helop into a really good commentator. What do you think? 2649 02:18:21.799 --> 02:18:24.319 Thanks for all you do? Stay safe. I was in 2650 02:18:24.399 --> 02:18:26.959 the camp with Jack Mike. I wasn't sure on McAfee. 2651 02:18:27.239 --> 02:18:29.360 He came across as a loud mouth who liked the 2652 02:18:29.399 --> 02:18:31.479 sound of his own voice. I think it was Brandon 2653 02:18:31.520 --> 02:18:34.639 maclaire who made an impassioned case that Pat's a good guy, 2654 02:18:34.760 --> 02:18:39.840 a smart guy, a host he really liked, and you know, 2655 02:18:39.920 --> 02:18:42.799 give him a chance, and I have, and he has 2656 02:18:42.879 --> 02:18:46.399 grown on me. I like him, and I think Cole 2657 02:18:46.440 --> 02:18:48.600 saying he's revitalized my career. I don't know how Corey 2658 02:18:48.639 --> 02:18:51.479 Grace feels about that, or whoever else Cole's worked with, 2659 02:18:51.559 --> 02:18:57.559 but Pat McAfee is a professional and experienced and is 2660 02:18:57.600 --> 02:19:00.319 successful for a reason, and I think we're starting to 2661 02:19:00.399 --> 02:19:01.639 see he's bringing. 2662 02:19:02.959 --> 02:19:03.120 There. 2663 02:19:03.559 --> 02:19:05.440 I think he's a I think there's a lot when 2664 02:19:05.479 --> 02:19:07.440 I listened to him. He is a big enough star 2665 02:19:07.760 --> 02:19:10.879 to have fu money for Vince, but I don't think 2666 02:19:10.920 --> 02:19:13.959 he's going to trigger Vince freaking out and causing Pat 2667 02:19:14.000 --> 02:19:15.479 to just walk away and go I don't need the headache, 2668 02:19:15.520 --> 02:19:17.399 cause I think he is enough in line with what 2669 02:19:17.559 --> 02:19:22.639 Vince wants. But he is an established personality and presence 2670 02:19:23.079 --> 02:19:26.639 who is kind of carving his own tunnel as opposed 2671 02:19:26.639 --> 02:19:29.319 to just following the arrows you know at the airport 2672 02:19:29.479 --> 02:19:31.719 or the hospital that Vince has laid out for every 2673 02:19:31.760 --> 02:19:33.840 other color commentator. Mike your thoughts. 2674 02:19:35.440 --> 02:19:41.799 Yeah, I've also been a proponent of McAfee. I think 2675 02:19:42.120 --> 02:19:45.319 it's it's interesting how he, like you said, he carves 2676 02:19:45.360 --> 02:19:48.440 his own path or his own tunnel. That can only 2677 02:19:48.520 --> 02:19:51.479 happen if he is an existence. He's already a fan 2678 02:19:51.959 --> 02:19:55.959 of WWE. If that's not there, then none of this works. 2679 02:19:55.959 --> 02:20:00.879 I think. So he probably has this internal just compass. 2680 02:20:01.159 --> 02:20:04.920 Yes, Jimmy that Jimmy Smith doesn't have, you know, and 2681 02:20:05.280 --> 02:20:08.760 we're yea and a nonvert didn't have. Where you're listening, 2682 02:20:08.840 --> 02:20:10.680 you're just like I mean, I just constantly when Jimmy 2683 02:20:10.760 --> 02:20:12.639 just says sayings and he says him like he's a 2684 02:20:13.280 --> 02:20:16.120 alho see what t shirt contest and tipped the waitress 2685 02:20:16.159 --> 02:20:17.760 and it's just like this tone and it's in your 2686 02:20:17.799 --> 02:20:20.840 face and it's a it's it's it's abrasive. And then 2687 02:20:20.879 --> 02:20:23.319 he just says things that aren't things you know. Just 2688 02:20:23.399 --> 02:20:26.760 constantly he just makes declarations who's more popular than New Day, Well, 2689 02:20:26.799 --> 02:20:29.399 I don't know, like six or eight guys, I don't know, 2690 02:20:29.520 --> 02:20:33.319 Maybe why'd you say that? And like I never get 2691 02:20:33.360 --> 02:20:36.559 that five with McAfee, Like everything he says is is 2692 02:20:36.639 --> 02:20:38.879 because of an immense familiarity with the product. Doesn't mean 2693 02:20:38.879 --> 02:20:40.719 I'm laugh at everything or think everything was the best 2694 02:20:40.719 --> 02:20:42.799 thing to say, But I never think he just doesn't 2695 02:20:42.799 --> 02:20:44.719 know what he's talking about and he thinks anything's radiots 2696 02:20:44.799 --> 02:20:46.360 or he can get away with it like he knows 2697 02:20:46.399 --> 02:20:50.000 a product, and there's enthusiasm and a joy to his performance. 2698 02:20:50.079 --> 02:20:53.680 And I do think he keeps coal. He brings out 2699 02:20:53.719 --> 02:20:55.000 something cold that we haven't heard before. 2700 02:20:56.559 --> 02:21:01.680 And I'm not familiar with McAfee's broadcasting career or podcasting career. 2701 02:21:02.639 --> 02:21:06.079 My introduction to him was via I think he was 2702 02:21:06.159 --> 02:21:12.559 doing like an nxt py perview kickoff show, and he 2703 02:21:12.760 --> 02:21:15.479 made a first impression on me that this guy is 2704 02:21:15.600 --> 02:21:20.280 funny in this environment and that's a challenge maybe not 2705 02:21:20.399 --> 02:21:23.399 so much, maybe not so much an NXT, but that 2706 02:21:23.479 --> 02:21:26.200 he's doing the same thing and WBE is saying a lot. 2707 02:21:26.520 --> 02:21:30.920 What's saying even more than that is Cole's comments that 2708 02:21:31.280 --> 02:21:37.639 the emailer cited. That's huge for a guy whose career 2709 02:21:37.719 --> 02:21:41.280 has been in one place for so long to speak 2710 02:21:41.360 --> 02:21:46.399 so highly. That's that's incredible. And I mean, like I said, 2711 02:21:46.399 --> 02:21:49.120 I'm happy that Cole is having fun again, and it 2712 02:21:49.479 --> 02:21:53.920 shone through tonight, if only briefly to me, but it's 2713 02:21:54.319 --> 02:21:57.120 it's new. I think it is. I see what Cole 2714 02:21:57.200 --> 02:22:01.319 is saying. I could see how it's revitalizing. And yeah, 2715 02:22:01.440 --> 02:22:06.280 Macfee's bringing a different energy that isn't so different that 2716 02:22:07.520 --> 02:22:09.760 the production needs to twist it. They can leave it 2717 02:22:09.879 --> 02:22:11.399 be and leave it be really good. 2718 02:22:11.920 --> 02:22:16.000 Yeah. iPhone users, if you're listening to us on the 2719 02:22:16.079 --> 02:22:19.360 Native podcast app on your iPhone, you can unlock our 2720 02:22:19.440 --> 02:22:23.319 commercial free versions of our free shows by searching PW 2721 02:22:23.600 --> 02:22:26.479 Torch in Apple Podcasts. You'll see a charcoal grade logo 2722 02:22:26.559 --> 02:22:28.719 that says PW Torch VIP on it. 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Enjoy a streamline listening 2730 02:22:49.639 --> 02:22:53.239 experience to our free shows and unlock all the VIP exclusives, 2731 02:22:53.239 --> 02:22:55.520 including our post pa per view roundtables, the wad Keller 2732 02:22:55.600 --> 02:22:58.600 news bulletins, Everything with Rich and Wade, The Fix that 2733 02:22:58.680 --> 02:23:01.040 I host with Todd Martin, and a variety of other 2734 02:23:01.239 --> 02:23:04.920 VIP exclusives. Just search pw Torch in your Apple podcast app. 2735 02:23:11.040 --> 02:23:13.280 All right, Zach and Texas has something negative to say 2736 02:23:13.280 --> 02:23:15.639 about w B because he always does, and he always 2737 02:23:15.639 --> 02:23:17.600 says something positive about AW And I don't say that 2738 02:23:17.680 --> 02:23:19.799 to rip on him. I say that because he is 2739 02:23:19.879 --> 02:23:23.920 part of the tart. He is representative of the type 2740 02:23:23.959 --> 02:23:26.200 of fan that w B is missing out on, and 2741 02:23:26.559 --> 02:23:29.639 I think his words matter in that way and are valuable. 2742 02:23:29.719 --> 02:23:32.319 So he says, I don't care about John Cena versus 2743 02:23:32.399 --> 02:23:35.840 Roman rays. John Cena's perfectly fine, even though he's outgrown 2744 02:23:35.879 --> 02:23:37.360 the gimmick to the point where he looks like he's 2745 02:23:37.680 --> 02:23:40.159 costplaying as John Cena, which is an interesting way to 2746 02:23:40.200 --> 02:23:42.920 put it. Well, I don't know if John ever felt 2747 02:23:42.959 --> 02:23:47.200 super authentic playing the John Cena. You know, Georges walks 2748 02:23:47.239 --> 02:23:49.680 like a toddler, caters to kids, changes teacher colors. But 2749 02:23:49.760 --> 02:23:51.680 there is something now where you're like, you're in your forties. 2750 02:23:52.079 --> 02:23:54.000 Now you are kind of costplaying the old John Cena. 2751 02:23:54.159 --> 02:23:56.000 And maybe that's what Rings is getting at. Anyway, the 2752 02:23:56.079 --> 02:23:58.680 problem is that there's no intrigue. It's all sizzle and 2753 02:23:58.760 --> 02:24:01.319 no steake. Nobody thinks Sen has a snowballs chance in 2754 02:24:01.360 --> 02:24:04.200 hell to beat Rains. Same with Goldberg CHAMPIONSIP matches at 2755 02:24:04.200 --> 02:24:06.440 summerslame level paper. It should be the culmination of month's 2756 02:24:06.440 --> 02:24:08.440 long stories, not a one off of a part timer. 2757 02:24:08.760 --> 02:24:11.120 Sina would be better surf feuding with Sammy's ain. That 2758 02:24:11.280 --> 02:24:13.879 match finish could go either way. Someone like Finn Balor 2759 02:24:13.879 --> 02:24:15.920 should have been built up to face Rains. Instead, we 2760 02:24:15.959 --> 02:24:17.879 have a title match in which fans can't really invest 2761 02:24:17.959 --> 02:24:22.600 in the challenger. It's incredibly short sighted, so react to 2762 02:24:22.680 --> 02:24:27.120 that mic. But also I thought Sina expected a more 2763 02:24:27.239 --> 02:24:29.040 mixed reaction, and I don't know why you'd think that 2764 02:24:29.079 --> 02:24:31.840 after what happened last weekend, but because he was like 2765 02:24:32.000 --> 02:24:34.120 some of you like Romans, some of you like me, 2766 02:24:34.360 --> 02:24:38.760 Like it almost seems like he missed the dueling chance, 2767 02:24:39.120 --> 02:24:42.239 Like it was like almost fishing for Roman fans. I 2768 02:24:42.280 --> 02:24:44.280 know there's Roman fans out there, which is his way 2769 02:24:44.319 --> 02:24:46.280 of saying, if you're out there, speak up, because I 2770 02:24:46.319 --> 02:24:48.000 got a lot of material on this and you're not helping. 2771 02:24:48.479 --> 02:24:50.840 And that's not it shouldn't be a goal. I'm just saying. 2772 02:24:50.879 --> 02:24:53.719 It was an expectation of his I thought that he'd 2773 02:24:53.719 --> 02:24:55.760 be in Cleveland and there would be some Roman fans 2774 02:24:55.799 --> 02:24:58.040 he could play off of, and he didn't really get 2775 02:24:58.159 --> 02:25:00.399 that chance. I know Dom and his section and said 2776 02:25:00.440 --> 02:25:02.639 it was you know, you know, sixty forty Roman. But 2777 02:25:03.319 --> 02:25:05.719 I think it came across on TV more close to 2778 02:25:05.799 --> 02:25:08.760 what Robert experienced from the two hundred section, which is, 2779 02:25:08.840 --> 02:25:11.000 you know, almost all boos and not a lot of 2780 02:25:11.680 --> 02:25:13.600 not a lot of pro stuff for rain. So anyway, 2781 02:25:13.680 --> 02:25:16.120 those are some straight thoughts I had that I was 2782 02:25:16.200 --> 02:25:17.440 wanting to sneak in about Seina. 2783 02:25:18.920 --> 02:25:22.440 Yeah, that's that's interesting to think about Sena fishing for 2784 02:25:22.799 --> 02:25:26.760 a mixed response. I hope that's the case, because that's 2785 02:25:27.239 --> 02:25:31.559 way more interesting, that's more nuanced, and I think what 2786 02:25:31.879 --> 02:25:35.000 my support that is. I think on Raw Monday night 2787 02:25:36.000 --> 02:25:39.760 he even said I heard some let's go Sena. I 2788 02:25:39.840 --> 02:25:43.280 heard Sina sucks coming out, like he was like outwardly 2789 02:25:43.360 --> 02:25:45.799 acknowledging that he was hearing both sides of the spectrum 2790 02:25:45.879 --> 02:25:51.719 for and against him. Tonight he said, I know there's 2791 02:25:52.000 --> 02:25:53.959 there's people who like Roman out there. There must be 2792 02:25:54.120 --> 02:25:56.879 hundreds of you. But I was a little confused for 2793 02:25:56.959 --> 02:26:00.479 that because I didn't know if he meant because hundreds 2794 02:26:00.600 --> 02:26:04.760 in the arena would be a significant fraction, but hundreds 2795 02:26:04.920 --> 02:26:12.079 in the you know, the broadcast universe would be insignificant. 2796 02:26:12.520 --> 02:26:14.879 So I wasn't exactly I wasn't sure who he was 2797 02:26:15.440 --> 02:26:18.440 talking to, if you met the arena or everybody watching. 2798 02:26:19.680 --> 02:26:22.399 But either way, it kind of adds up to looking 2799 02:26:22.440 --> 02:26:25.799 for the mixed response. In the mixed response, I guess 2800 02:26:25.920 --> 02:26:30.280 is more interesting. All of that said, I agree with 2801 02:26:30.399 --> 02:26:35.360 the emailer the matches he proposed are way more intriguing, 2802 02:26:35.559 --> 02:26:41.120 but it's WWE and this is what WB serves us. 2803 02:26:41.520 --> 02:26:44.239 You know, they're going to go back to Sena after 2804 02:26:44.280 --> 02:26:45.520 a couple of years. They're going to go back to 2805 02:26:45.559 --> 02:26:50.280 Goldberg after a year, and these are the big matches. 2806 02:26:50.360 --> 02:26:55.600 We get they're still interesting to talk about to some extent, 2807 02:26:55.920 --> 02:27:00.280 but it could be better maybe, But this is what 2808 02:27:00.520 --> 02:27:03.760 WB does. They go back to these guys that are 2809 02:27:03.799 --> 02:27:07.159 willing to come back and are or were really big names. 2810 02:27:07.840 --> 02:27:09.639 Yeah, and I think PAT fans would be more accepting 2811 02:27:09.680 --> 02:27:11.879 of it if they if they felt they did a 2812 02:27:12.040 --> 02:27:17.479 better job with today stars both developing, hiring, recruiting, retaining. 2813 02:27:19.280 --> 02:27:21.879 But part of it is there just absence makes the 2814 02:27:21.920 --> 02:27:23.639 heart grow fonder, or at least it makes you forget 2815 02:27:23.639 --> 02:27:26.360 about how bored you were by Goldberg last time, although 2816 02:27:26.399 --> 02:27:29.079 it seems like fans are remembering that now in the 2817 02:27:29.079 --> 02:27:32.280 blooms off that Rose. But it creates the veneer, the 2818 02:27:32.399 --> 02:27:35.719 facade of Summer Slime being special when it's not a 2819 02:27:35.840 --> 02:27:38.440 recycled match that was on another pay per view or SmackDown, 2820 02:27:38.799 --> 02:27:40.959 and that's what they're going for and generally, and you know, 2821 02:27:41.040 --> 02:27:44.680 Goldberg's I don't want. Goldberg's has a presence and he 2822 02:27:44.760 --> 02:27:46.879 looks still he still looks like Goldberg, and he has 2823 02:27:46.920 --> 02:27:49.680 a presence and he can play Goldberg, you know, into 2824 02:27:49.760 --> 02:27:53.280 his fifties because he didn't do much, you know, like 2825 02:27:53.680 --> 02:27:56.239 his character when he was in his thirties is one that, well, 2826 02:27:56.239 --> 02:27:58.360 if he can look the part, he can probably keep 2827 02:27:58.440 --> 02:28:01.440 doing a spear. He's not selling machine or you know, 2828 02:28:01.559 --> 02:28:05.799 super super graceful athlete in the way where Chris Jericho 2829 02:28:05.879 --> 02:28:08.719 had to reinvent himself, you know, I mean, Chriss has 2830 02:28:08.920 --> 02:28:13.319 had to portray himself in different ways over time because 2831 02:28:13.760 --> 02:28:15.559 he isn't the athlete he once was and there's a 2832 02:28:15.559 --> 02:28:17.600 lot of wear and tear on that body. So with Goldberg, 2833 02:28:17.760 --> 02:28:18.959 you know, he can play the part, but there are 2834 02:28:19.000 --> 02:28:21.079 diminishing returns when he's not protected, and he hasn't really 2835 02:28:21.120 --> 02:28:23.600 been protected, so it is just sort of an incelgient thing. 2836 02:28:23.600 --> 02:28:25.200 But they're not leaning on that as the main match. 2837 02:28:25.239 --> 02:28:29.360 They're leaning on Raine Sena. So yeah, I don't know. 2838 02:28:29.399 --> 02:28:32.280 I mean, I think it's good. I think it's showing 2839 02:28:32.360 --> 02:28:34.239 up in the ratings. I get where's 's coming from. 2840 02:28:35.000 --> 02:28:36.520 But it is sort of up to other people to 2841 02:28:36.559 --> 02:28:40.559 step up too and be that person. And you know, 2842 02:28:41.200 --> 02:28:43.319 Lashly stepped up, but he's also in his mid forties, 2843 02:28:43.360 --> 02:28:45.360 you know, So the question is when is DEBI be 2844 02:28:45.440 --> 02:28:47.280 going to put other wrestlers in a position to have 2845 02:28:47.360 --> 02:28:51.719 that ruthless aggression and do what Sina did. There just 2846 02:28:51.879 --> 02:28:54.280 aren't a lot of people that that would be where 2847 02:28:54.319 --> 02:28:56.120 we look and go, well, daugh to be screwed that up, 2848 02:28:56.360 --> 02:28:58.239 Like they're just not good at hiring and developing people 2849 02:28:58.399 --> 02:29:00.879 to do that. Other than you know, there's frustration that 2850 02:29:01.079 --> 02:29:05.239 m cole hasn't been given that chance. So yeah, anyway, 2851 02:29:07.920 --> 02:29:11.639 onto Jobey and Jacksonville. Dobbie should have branched this, should 2852 02:29:11.639 --> 02:29:13.600 have branded this as a w B super spread of 2853 02:29:13.600 --> 02:29:16.239 twenty twenty one. I'm all for transitioning back to normal. 2854 02:29:16.280 --> 02:29:18.280 With thirty thousand people from forty six states in Miami 2855 02:29:18.319 --> 02:29:20.479 plus ten thousand more in Cleveland, and with new variants 2856 02:29:20.520 --> 02:29:24.719 on the rise, what could possibly go wrong? Hey, if 2857 02:29:24.760 --> 02:29:29.520 you're vaccinated and you're healthy, it's it. You know, the 2858 02:29:29.559 --> 02:29:32.319 super spread is gonna be. People aren't getting vaccines. I mean, so, 2859 02:29:33.440 --> 02:29:37.360 I you know, the vast majority of the elderly population 2860 02:29:37.479 --> 02:29:41.399 or we're both both most at risk, have been vaccinated 2861 02:29:41.479 --> 02:29:43.719 and people who have pre existing conditions. I'm in vaccinate 2862 02:29:43.799 --> 02:29:46.000 is so I'm a lot less worked up about people 2863 02:29:46.280 --> 02:29:49.040 who aren't getting vaccinated putting themselves at risk. I mean, 2864 02:29:49.200 --> 02:29:52.120 I don't want anyone to be I don't want anyone 2865 02:29:52.200 --> 02:29:54.680 to have, you know, die or be hospitalized. But it's 2866 02:29:54.920 --> 02:29:57.280 now in the hands of the people who are choosing 2867 02:29:57.399 --> 02:30:02.840 whether or not to put themselves, and so I don't know. Yeah, 2868 02:30:04.799 --> 02:30:07.200 he says. My two biggest takeaways from watching for the 2869 02:30:07.280 --> 02:30:10.879 first time in maybe a year, where one Roman Rangne 2870 02:30:10.920 --> 02:30:12.840 is on a completely different level than anyone in Deba 2871 02:30:12.879 --> 02:30:15.280 By and it's not even close, And two Dowdie's in 2872 02:30:15.360 --> 02:30:17.600 the midst of tripping into the next big w B 2873 02:30:17.639 --> 02:30:21.719 baby face headliner, Baron Corbin. This is interesting the combination 2874 02:30:21.840 --> 02:30:24.120 of the ridiculousness of the storyline, Baron playing it's so 2875 02:30:24.280 --> 02:30:26.319 straight faced even though you know he thinks it's stupid, 2876 02:30:26.680 --> 02:30:29.959 and his surprising acting chops. I could easily see making 2877 02:30:30.000 --> 02:30:34.360 him a cult accidental babyface like Daniel Bryant. I'm in 2878 02:30:34.479 --> 02:30:36.079 our forty five minutes into this tour show, and I 2879 02:30:36.120 --> 02:30:38.520 have no emotional attachment as a fan to anything besides 2880 02:30:38.639 --> 02:30:41.639 really wanting to see Baron Corbin turns fortunes around. I 2881 02:30:41.799 --> 02:30:44.000 never thought I would say it, but I want more 2882 02:30:44.079 --> 02:30:48.120 Baron Corbyn. Go vip Joe By in Jacksonville Mike, is 2883 02:30:48.159 --> 02:30:50.239 that are we, like, in three or six months gonna 2884 02:30:50.239 --> 02:30:54.120 be talking about Baron Corben as just like reinventing himself, 2885 02:30:54.159 --> 02:30:57.079 you know, in a way where he actually just through 2886 02:30:57.239 --> 02:30:58.600 almost accident, turns into. 2887 02:30:58.479 --> 02:31:01.799 A big stars. Is Joe out of something here? I 2888 02:31:02.079 --> 02:31:08.879 highly doubt it, but you're saying that there is a chance. 2889 02:31:08.959 --> 02:31:14.760 Of course, the reason I know that I should doubt 2890 02:31:14.799 --> 02:31:18.040 it is because it's something that I'm kind of excited 2891 02:31:18.079 --> 02:31:22.799 about and would love to see, and because we're talking 2892 02:31:22.840 --> 02:31:26.760 about WWE and Baron Corbin and how one tracked he's 2893 02:31:26.920 --> 02:31:32.520 been historically. It's just not gonna happen. I'll gladly eat 2894 02:31:32.559 --> 02:31:36.680 my words. But I've said before on this show that 2895 02:31:37.239 --> 02:31:42.280 I'm like a sucker for good sportsmanship and turnarounds and 2896 02:31:42.959 --> 02:31:48.319 seeing the light of day. And I've caught a glimpse 2897 02:31:48.399 --> 02:31:52.200 of glimpses of that, or maybe even imagined glimpses of 2898 02:31:52.280 --> 02:31:56.040 that with Corbin, and I don't see them ever going 2899 02:31:56.239 --> 02:31:59.799 all the way with that, and I'd even I would 2900 02:31:59.840 --> 02:32:03.959 totally accept them doing that briefly, even if it means 2901 02:32:04.079 --> 02:32:08.360 Corbyn just turns on a heel, like because see the 2902 02:32:08.440 --> 02:32:11.920 emailer said, getting his riches back I don't want him 2903 02:32:11.920 --> 02:32:13.760 to get as rich as I want him to learn 2904 02:32:13.879 --> 02:32:16.840 not to be a dickhead to everybody exactly what. 2905 02:32:16.920 --> 02:32:21.879 I want and who better to tell fans I believe 2906 02:32:21.920 --> 02:32:24.079 in this guy. I think he's changed than Kevin Owens. 2907 02:32:24.120 --> 02:32:25.959 Now it's going to be cliche. If Baron Corbin then 2908 02:32:26.000 --> 02:32:28.280 you know, blindsides Kevin Owns from behind as soon as 2909 02:32:28.319 --> 02:32:30.840 Kevin Owns drops his guard, and that might be the plan. 2910 02:32:31.319 --> 02:32:34.879 I hope they're open to something else, and maybe that's 2911 02:32:34.879 --> 02:32:36.719 something else, is sending Baron KORbin to like New Japan 2912 02:32:36.760 --> 02:32:39.120 to join Bullet Club for like nine months, because then 2913 02:32:39.159 --> 02:32:41.159 he'd come back with like because I think he'd be 2914 02:32:41.239 --> 02:32:44.319 fine in that setting, you know, in the ring, and 2915 02:32:44.680 --> 02:32:46.719 then he can come back with like credibility with part 2916 02:32:46.719 --> 02:32:48.879 of the fan base for having, you know, showing what 2917 02:32:48.959 --> 02:32:51.760 he can do outside of W's cartoon world, and then 2918 02:32:51.840 --> 02:32:53.559 you know, he could kind of come back and be 2919 02:32:53.680 --> 02:32:55.799 a elevated character. I can't wait for that to be 2920 02:32:55.879 --> 02:32:58.760 think Wade Keller proposes Baron Corbyn joined Bullet Club, but 2921 02:32:58.799 --> 02:32:59.440 I kind of am. 2922 02:33:00.920 --> 02:33:01.360 There it is. 2923 02:33:01.760 --> 02:33:12.440 Yeah, are you a fan of AW looking to sit back, 2924 02:33:12.600 --> 02:33:15.680 relax and listen to some like minded podcasters who share 2925 02:33:15.719 --> 02:33:18.040 your passion. Do you want to be topped off the 2926 02:33:18.120 --> 02:33:20.440 ledge after a segment that has you wondering what the 2927 02:33:20.559 --> 02:33:22.920 heck are they thinking? Do you want to join a 2928 02:33:23.000 --> 02:33:26.040 discussion on what AW is doing right and what they 2929 02:33:26.079 --> 02:33:28.959 could do to improve, Then join me, Joel and me 2930 02:33:29.120 --> 02:33:29.600 Greg for. 2931 02:33:29.639 --> 02:33:32.079 The All of the Conversation Club every Friday on the 2932 02:33:32.120 --> 02:33:35.959 PW Torch Live Cast. Fee search PW Torch in your 2933 02:33:36.000 --> 02:33:39.680 podcast app and subscribe to PW Torchdaily Cast or stream 2934 02:33:39.719 --> 02:33:42.760 our shows directly from pw torch dot com. Find full 2935 02:33:42.840 --> 02:33:47.760 details on the PW Torchdailycast lineup at pw torchdailycast dot com. 2936 02:34:01.120 --> 02:34:06.239 All Right, finally, Jason Jason Elt says, I'm really disappointed 2937 02:34:06.239 --> 02:34:08.360 they didn't give Biggie an actual promo tonight after the 2938 02:34:08.360 --> 02:34:10.239 biggest singles win of his career. They instead shows due 2939 02:34:10.239 --> 02:34:12.479 to the same parade of interruptions we've seen countless times. 2940 02:34:12.719 --> 02:34:15.159 They just can't help themselves. The crowd at Rolling Loud 2941 02:34:15.239 --> 02:34:17.680 looked like they couldn't care less about wrestling, and why 2942 02:34:17.719 --> 02:34:20.079 would they they pay to see a music festival. There 2943 02:34:20.159 --> 02:34:22.840 was an interesting setting, and I'm happy wt's trying new things, 2944 02:34:23.159 --> 02:34:25.479 but this didn't come across well. The contrast between a 2945 02:34:25.520 --> 02:34:28.799 red hot crowd in house to complete apathy was jarring. 2946 02:34:29.559 --> 02:34:31.040 I never thought i'd say this, but I'm excited to 2947 02:34:31.040 --> 02:34:33.639 see what's happening with Baron KORbin each week. He's playing 2948 02:34:33.680 --> 02:34:35.840 his part perfectly well and they've got me intrigued. I 2949 02:34:35.959 --> 02:34:39.079 just hope they had that they have a worthwhile payoff planned. 2950 02:34:40.000 --> 02:34:41.520 It's a great night for Finn Balor. No doubt rains 2951 02:34:41.520 --> 02:34:43.200 Againsteen is still a plann for summerslign. But I'm really 2952 02:34:43.239 --> 02:34:46.639 interested to see where they're going after that closing segment. 2953 02:34:46.799 --> 02:34:50.559 Good hook for next week. So yeah, I mean there 2954 02:34:50.639 --> 02:34:55.600 is a rising sense of optimism and interest in this 2955 02:34:55.760 --> 02:34:59.600 Corbin storyline that might be like with Danny Bryant, might 2956 02:34:59.639 --> 02:35:04.559 go beyond on WB's intentions. So another anecdotal email backing 2957 02:35:04.680 --> 02:35:07.360 that up. I don't want w B to give up 2958 02:35:07.399 --> 02:35:10.479 on these these unconventional settings because they think there was 2959 02:35:10.520 --> 02:35:13.879 some down downsides to tonight. I think they should just 2960 02:35:15.000 --> 02:35:16.879 it's a learning experience, but not something where you just 2961 02:35:16.879 --> 02:35:18.719 write it off and go back into your your comfort, 2962 02:35:18.879 --> 02:35:22.280 comfortable little bubble of you know, major NBA, NHL arenas 2963 02:35:22.319 --> 02:35:26.920 with the exact same setup, and yeah, we talked about Biggie. 2964 02:35:27.000 --> 02:35:28.920 So yeah, this was this was a week to give 2965 02:35:28.959 --> 02:35:30.920 of a promo and it was a lack of faith 2966 02:35:31.079 --> 02:35:34.120 in him. Anything you want to add to any. 2967 02:35:33.959 --> 02:35:37.079 Of that, Mike, No, that all sounded good to me. 2968 02:35:37.639 --> 02:35:37.840 Yeah. 2969 02:35:39.360 --> 02:35:41.799 Oh and Hbery melt and mentioned this and it reminded 2970 02:35:41.840 --> 02:35:43.040 you of something I want to say too. He said, 2971 02:35:43.040 --> 02:35:45.479 I'm waiting for the rain Scena face to face promo 2972 02:35:45.520 --> 02:35:48.479 because I think it will recontextualize Sena's first two promos 2973 02:35:49.079 --> 02:35:54.600 and when Rains is out there saying Sena is a 2974 02:35:54.680 --> 02:35:58.760 two thousand and five, you know, nostalgia act like I 2975 02:35:58.879 --> 02:36:02.239 do think, sort of like with Raw, Sina is way 2976 02:36:02.280 --> 02:36:04.239 smarter than people who don't like Sena want to give 2977 02:36:04.319 --> 02:36:10.079 him credit for. And Sina showed us with Rocks. He's 2978 02:36:10.559 --> 02:36:13.600 his mind's churning, he's got a plan. There's no accidents here. 2979 02:36:13.639 --> 02:36:17.120 You got Hayman involved, you got Rains involved. I'm with Javier. 2980 02:36:17.159 --> 02:36:20.200 I am looking forward to seeing what Sena says in response. 2981 02:36:20.200 --> 02:36:22.120 I didn't think tonight was his best night. I think money. 2982 02:36:22.120 --> 02:36:24.239 I didn't think Monday was his best night. But there's 2983 02:36:24.280 --> 02:36:26.360 something there, you know, I don't think I think he's 2984 02:36:27.200 --> 02:36:28.799 got to feel his way through, and I'm glad we 2985 02:36:28.879 --> 02:36:31.200 have a month, Like I want Sena to kind of 2986 02:36:31.239 --> 02:36:33.879 be able to work with the clay a little bit, 2987 02:36:34.040 --> 02:36:37.040 figure out what he wants to sculpt by week three 2988 02:36:37.159 --> 02:36:40.239 and four of the hype. And that's the stage we're in. 2989 02:36:40.319 --> 02:36:43.879 And it's fun to see somebody who really immerses himself 2990 02:36:43.920 --> 02:36:47.159 in whatever he's doing, immerse himself in this, get a 2991 02:36:47.280 --> 02:36:49.799 vibe for the crowds, and adjust on the fly, you know, 2992 02:36:49.920 --> 02:36:52.200 work with Man and Hayman and Rain to go all right, 2993 02:36:52.239 --> 02:36:55.520 this work. This didn't I approach SmackDown with this in mind, 2994 02:36:55.600 --> 02:36:58.360 and I'm like, you know, we're fighting over what do 2995 02:36:58.440 --> 02:37:00.799 you stand for? You know, what are your values? Well, no, 2996 02:37:00.920 --> 02:37:04.000 everyone's standing with me, you know, so let's shift this. 2997 02:37:04.200 --> 02:37:05.959 I think I can do this. But that didn't work. 2998 02:37:06.079 --> 02:37:07.440 Like I think that's all going to be going on. 2999 02:37:07.639 --> 02:37:11.000 And this is why crowds are so important and why 3000 02:37:11.040 --> 02:37:12.600 Sina probably didn't want to come back and tell their work. 3001 02:37:12.600 --> 02:37:16.879 Crowds because it helps steer you. And watching Sena, Rains 3002 02:37:16.920 --> 02:37:20.159 and Hayman steer this for the next few weeks, I 3003 02:37:20.200 --> 02:37:21.239 think it's going to be a lot of fun. 3004 02:37:22.440 --> 02:37:25.239 Yep, it is. It's really important to note that Sena 3005 02:37:25.520 --> 02:37:27.559 has yet to go face to face with Rains in 3006 02:37:27.719 --> 02:37:32.159 this iteration of the feud, and they've got time to 3007 02:37:32.200 --> 02:37:35.239 think about it. Rains is going to be a little 3008 02:37:35.280 --> 02:37:38.680 tied up with Balor, but Sina is going to be 3009 02:37:38.719 --> 02:37:42.360 around for all these shows, and yeah, they've got time 3010 02:37:42.479 --> 02:37:47.000 to make something better happen. If it hasn't been ideal yet, 3011 02:37:47.559 --> 02:37:49.600 they have a chance to figure it out and make 3012 02:37:49.680 --> 02:37:52.079 it something worthwhile and exciting to see a SummerSlam. 3013 02:37:52.440 --> 02:37:55.520 Yes, all right, Mike. How can people follow you on 3014 02:37:55.600 --> 02:37:56.079 social media? 3015 02:37:57.440 --> 02:37:57.639 Yeah? 3016 02:37:57.719 --> 02:37:59.959 You can find me on Twitter at the Mic Show 3017 02:38:00.079 --> 02:38:03.440 forty two, and I also write, like Wade mentioned at 3018 02:38:03.479 --> 02:38:07.200 the show's outset, I write the weekly WWE main event 3019 02:38:07.520 --> 02:38:09.840 article for P two b torch dot com as well 3020 02:38:09.879 --> 02:38:14.840 as every WWE pay per view kickoff show. 3021 02:38:16.239 --> 02:38:19.040 Excellent. I'man gonna follow me on Twitter at the Wade 3022 02:38:19.120 --> 02:38:25.319 Keller and follow our brand at p W Torch. Check 3023 02:38:25.360 --> 02:38:27.120 out that Paul arnerf interview I mentioned at the top 3024 02:38:27.159 --> 02:38:31.079 of the show. It's the first time that has ever 3025 02:38:31.159 --> 02:38:33.440 been heard and it's vintage from thirty years ago. He did, 3026 02:38:33.639 --> 02:38:34.879 didn't do? I don't know if he did any other 3027 02:38:34.920 --> 02:38:38.000 insider interviews. Maybe he did around that time, not that 3028 02:38:38.079 --> 02:38:41.000 I'm aware of, And it was real a moment in 3029 02:38:41.079 --> 02:38:43.120 his career, you know, in between the hot run with 3030 02:38:43.200 --> 02:38:44.879 hul Kog and the top drawing Hogan Field at house 3031 02:38:44.879 --> 02:38:47.840 shows of all time and what he ended up doing 3032 02:38:47.920 --> 02:38:50.000 in the nineties and kind of caught him in between there, 3033 02:38:50.319 --> 02:38:53.600 and he had some blunt things to say about ww management, 3034 02:38:53.680 --> 02:38:58.079 the infamous Jim Hurd talked about Bill Watts and it's 3035 02:38:58.120 --> 02:39:00.000 it's good, good stuff and like I said, the full interview, 3036 02:39:00.079 --> 02:39:02.879 you will be going up for VIP members this weekend. 3037 02:39:02.920 --> 02:39:04.959 But on the Blue Logo Show, the Wade Keller Pro 3038 02:39:05.000 --> 02:39:08.040 Wrestling Podcast, you can hear that and also Alan Frel 3039 02:39:08.239 --> 02:39:12.280 talk about Owner's career, along with a full episode from 3040 02:39:12.360 --> 02:39:14.920 ten years ago this week at the Flagship talking about 3041 02:39:14.959 --> 02:39:17.680 the fallout from Money in the Bank twenty eleven. John 3042 02:39:17.760 --> 02:39:20.840 Cena and Punk People in the News Today were in 3043 02:39:21.000 --> 02:39:24.079 a prominent parts of that show, and Jason Paul joined 3044 02:39:24.079 --> 02:39:25.840 me on the Flagship ten years ago. And it's a 3045 02:39:25.879 --> 02:39:27.479 lot of fun to listen back to. I always get 3046 02:39:27.520 --> 02:39:29.680 pulled into listening back to these and it's a lot 3047 02:39:29.719 --> 02:39:31.559 of fun. So check that out yesterday. And then the 3048 02:39:31.600 --> 02:39:34.559 regular Flagship with Jason Powell covering all the current stuff, 3049 02:39:35.479 --> 02:39:38.120 dropped on Tuesday night earlier this week. Normally the Flagship 3050 02:39:38.159 --> 02:39:40.120 is most often on Thursdays. This week it was on Tuesday, 3051 02:39:40.520 --> 02:39:41.520 so check that out. 3052 02:39:41.760 --> 02:39:42.000 Also. 3053 02:39:42.079 --> 02:39:45.760 Our AW postgame show post show was a couple of 3054 02:39:45.799 --> 02:39:47.360 days ago right here on the Red Logo Show, so 3055 02:39:47.479 --> 02:39:49.079 check that out if you haven't yet. We had on 3056 02:39:49.159 --> 02:39:51.680 site correspondence and a lot of fun talking about an 3057 02:39:51.719 --> 02:39:54.879 exciting product right now with AW. Thanks to our callers, 3058 02:39:54.879 --> 02:39:58.520 our onside correspondence, our emailers, hobby Eer, pd Torch VIP 3059 02:39:58.600 --> 02:40:02.639 contributor and Mike. Thank you for co hosting once again. 3060 02:40:02.840 --> 02:40:04.280 It was a long show, but really fun. This is 3061 02:40:04.319 --> 02:40:06.440 what I've been looking forward to with things kicking up 3062 02:40:06.479 --> 02:40:07.040 to the next year. 3063 02:40:08.159 --> 02:40:12.719 It was fun, good again, good live crowds and in 3064 02:40:13.719 --> 02:40:15.920 the correspondence in of course. 3065 02:40:15.959 --> 02:40:20.680 Vector yes, Vector hey, Vector yeah, just pricked up and 3066 02:40:20.719 --> 02:40:24.319 left everything those eyes all right? Thanks Mike, Thanks already. 3067 02:40:24.360 --> 02:41:00.760 We'll talk to you have time. Your time is valuable. 3068 02:41:00.959 --> 02:41:03.959 Go VIP and listen to our shows commercial free a 3069 02:41:04.079 --> 02:41:07.840 nice streamline listening experience. 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