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<v Speaker 1>This is Later with Lee Matthews, The Lee Matthews Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>more what You Hear weekday afternoons on the Drive.

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<v Speaker 2>She was once the CEO of one of the more

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<v Speaker 2>influential sports, lifestyle and entertainment media brands on the Internet

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<v Speaker 2>to Barstool Sports, Erica ayers Badan has written many other books,

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<v Speaker 2>You're a Badass, Atomic Habits, and her latest, Nobody Cares

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<v Speaker 2>About Your Career, Why Failure Is Good, The Great Ones,

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<v Speaker 2>Play Hurt, and other hard truths. Erica, I hope you're

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<v Speaker 2>not playing hurt today.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not, are you?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, not emotionally nor physically. But what was the

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<v Speaker 2>purpose of this?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? You know, I wrote the book on the train

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<v Speaker 1>to New York City every day when I was running

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<v Speaker 1>Barstool Sports. I really Barstool was a crazy workplace. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a funny farm, It was a pirate ship. We

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<v Speaker 1>had one of the most out there were cultures known

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<v Speaker 1>to man. And what I really saw was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of lessons and a lot of experiences that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>everyone could take into their work life. I think work

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<v Speaker 1>is tuition and you get out of it what you

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<v Speaker 1>put into it. And I don't think there's anyone who's

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of their own career, who's giving perspective

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<v Speaker 1>and opinion about what it takes to be successful in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that can appeal to most anyone. So you

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<v Speaker 1>work at Google, you work in a gift shop, you

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<v Speaker 1>work in a nursing home, you work, you're a teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it doesn't matter where you work, if you

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<v Speaker 1>bring yourself to work, if you work hard, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>willing to fail, if you're willing to learn, you can

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<v Speaker 1>use work to give yourself a better life.

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<v Speaker 2>Your's play in my song Erica. I had the advantage,

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<v Speaker 2>and some would say disadvantage, of falling in love with

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<v Speaker 2>a business. I'm in at a very tender age, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>eight or ten, and started my journey in this career

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<v Speaker 2>when I was fourteen or fifteen, and have loved every

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<v Speaker 2>day that i've that I've been in it, and and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm one of the few of my fellow students and

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<v Speaker 2>fellow friends who had that advantage to like what they do.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine going into a job each day on

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<v Speaker 2>a job that you.

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<v Speaker 1>Hate one hundred percent. I mean, life is short. I

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<v Speaker 1>think everyone can love what they do. I think when

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<v Speaker 1>you're starting in your career sometimes you're lucky and you

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<v Speaker 1>fall into your dream job right away, or you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, more like me, you've got to slog

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<v Speaker 1>through a couple of dumb jobs to get there. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think you've got to make the most

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<v Speaker 1>of where you work and also how you work, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you love what you do, work will never feel

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<v Speaker 1>like work. And that's, you know, the greatest thing about

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<v Speaker 1>We spend more time at work than we spend doing

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<v Speaker 1>anything else in our lives. So this book is really about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how do you unlock that, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>be your best at it? How do you figure it out?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you get up courage to go for something

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't think you were ready for or capable of.

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<v Speaker 1>So this book is really full of that kind of message.

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<v Speaker 2>The name of the book is Nobody cares about your career,

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<v Speaker 2>Why failure is good? The great ones play hurt, and

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<v Speaker 2>other hard truths. That was one thing I too learned

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<v Speaker 2>early on. Nobody does care about my career. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>here to help me. They're here to make me perform

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<v Speaker 2>tasks that will make them successful.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Yeah, you know, it's so funny. Somebody sent me

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<v Speaker 1>a direct DM over the internet. Was like, Oh, the

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<v Speaker 1>title of your book is so depressing, And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>the title of the book is so great, Like how

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<v Speaker 1>liberating that no one cares about your career. You can

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<v Speaker 1>do exactly what makes you happy. You can do exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what you want. Stop doing things that you think are

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing to do because somebody else likes them

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't. So I also think every you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times at work, people just sit around

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<v Speaker 1>and expect that, you know, someone's going to come trotting

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<v Speaker 1>up on some white horse and save them or do

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<v Speaker 1>it for them, or figure it out for them, or

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<v Speaker 1>make it better for them, And the reality is it's

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<v Speaker 1>just not going to happen, and you have to move

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<v Speaker 1>forward for yourself, by yourself, because of yourself. And this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is really like a real time message

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<v Speaker 1>from things I've screwed up and done wrong and done

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<v Speaker 1>right and learned from in the last twenty years of

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<v Speaker 1>my career.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're talking to Erica ayers Bedan. The book is

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<v Speaker 2>nobody cares about your career. She's a former CEO of

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<v Speaker 2>Barstool Sports and many many others. Also voted one of

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<v Speaker 2>Forbes's most Powerful Women in the US we're living and work.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned this in the pandemic Erica. We're living and

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<v Speaker 2>working in a time where things are in overdrive. We

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<v Speaker 2>are moving forward so fast it is often difficult for

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<v Speaker 2>your employer even to keep up, let alone you. And

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes you will find that things are moving so fast

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<v Speaker 2>that what was important to your com copy or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>to a goal that you've been provided with may not

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<v Speaker 2>be as soon as the end of the week. And

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like you've spent your wheels, spend spun your

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<v Speaker 2>wheels on a project that at the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>week is no longer important. Is there a way to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? It super frustrating right where you're like, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>spent all this time, I put in all this effort,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to deal with all these stupid people to

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<v Speaker 1>get whatever the thing is done, and then you find

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<v Speaker 1>out the thing doesn't matter. And you know, for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all about how you look at it. If you choose,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think your environment is relentless. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you choose to just be consumed by all of the

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<v Speaker 1>stupid things that happen at work, and it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>where you work, stupid things happen, then you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>feel negative about it, versus saying, hey, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>take this experience. I'm going to learn how I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be when I'm a boss, or what I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to do the next time I'm given the

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<v Speaker 1>ball on this project. And you know, it's also hard

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<v Speaker 1>where a lot of people now work from their homes,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's hard to it is hard to keep up,

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<v Speaker 1>so you've got to go the extra mile to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of times people don't do really

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<v Speaker 1>basic things like just ask the question and if something's

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<v Speaker 1>bothering you at work or something seems you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's not making sense at work, or it's a waste

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<v Speaker 1>of time at work, just that there's no harm in

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<v Speaker 1>ever asking the question. And I wish people did that more.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking to the former CEO of Oarstool Sports. Erica ayers,

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<v Speaker 2>but Dan, nobody cares about your career is the book

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<v Speaker 2>and you give a Well, I've started out this conversation

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<v Speaker 2>saying that I was lucky enough to fall in love

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<v Speaker 2>with what I do and have ever since. But that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean, like all good lovers, it hasn't broken my

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<v Speaker 2>heart once in a while, all jobs break your Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so is there is there a way to avoid that

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<v Speaker 2>or is there another way to think about it?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I mean I think that's exactly the point, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think all of us are striving to

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<v Speaker 1>be happy and to be fulfilled and to feel a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of purpose, and that you're on a mission to

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<v Speaker 1>be whatever it is you want to be. And my

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<v Speaker 1>point in the book is really your mission should just

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<v Speaker 1>be for you. It shouldn't be because it's what your

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<v Speaker 1>mom wants you to do, or what you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>fancy guy you know at the country club wants to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it should be for you. And it's good to

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<v Speaker 1>have your heart broken because it means you put yourself

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<v Speaker 1>out there and you loved. And I think the same

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<v Speaker 1>is true of work.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally you talk about not being a bleephole at work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I do. Everyone is a jerk at work at

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<v Speaker 1>one point or another, and it's easy to fall into

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<v Speaker 1>being a jerk. Right, I'm a CEO. Now, I have

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<v Speaker 1>someone yesterday in my office and I was like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>just being a complete jerk. And this chapter is really about, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you avoid that? So when someone makes you

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<v Speaker 1>super mad? How do you not send the email right away,

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, oh, I wish I didn't say that.

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<v Speaker 2>There are times when I've written that email and given

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<v Speaker 2>it a good thirty minute cooling period where I came

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<v Speaker 2>back and said, ooh, I'm glad I didn't hit send.

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<v Speaker 2>Just the writing of the email was therapeutic enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, I have failed more and I've actually sent the email,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I spend four days being like, why did

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<v Speaker 1>I say that?

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<v Speaker 2>Erica ayers, but Dan, nobody cares about your career. Why

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<v Speaker 2>failure is good? The great Ones, Play Hurt and other

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<v Speaker 2>hard truths out everywhere you get books, And thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us today, Thank you for having me, Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for listening to Later with Lee Matthews, the Lee Matthews Podcast,

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