Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody. I hope you're having a good night.
Speaker 1: It's definitely an honor of mind to be here with
Speaker 1: you on this Wednesday, December eleventh, twenty twenty four. Make
Speaker 1: yourself at home, pour yourself a cup of something hot
Speaker 1: or cold. It's up to you. But it's a it's
Speaker 1: a pretty rainy day over here. It's not a white
Speaker 1: Christmas yet. I wonderful we'll have one of those again
Speaker 1: sometime soon. It'd be really, really nothing debilitating, but just
Speaker 1: to add.
Speaker 2: A little bit of a glow, a.
Speaker 1: Layer of something on top of all the Christmas lights,
Speaker 1: so you get that nice sub snow level, surface level glow.
Speaker 2: You know that what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I love that if we can get a well timed
Speaker 1: for the actual holiday, something again not debilitating, so people
Speaker 1: can still get in their cars and get to their
Speaker 1: destinations safely. But you know, what do you want? You
Speaker 1: can't have everything. You can't have everything. As the barber,
Speaker 1: the Russian barber told me when I was fifteen, and
Speaker 1: he said that my hair was thinning, said, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? He saw something that I didn't. I
Speaker 1: should have listened to him instead, I hated him.
Speaker 2: What I was gonna do.
Speaker 1: Even if I did listen to him, get get what
Speaker 1: go start with Rogaine. At least I managed to get
Speaker 1: through college without it being noticeable. And then it was well,
Speaker 1: I told the story before the hell we're talking about
Speaker 1: snow on Christmas. Now it's back to hair anyway. I
Speaker 1: like shaving my head, so go to hell. So here's
Speaker 1: what I have for you tonight. Jay Dyer is returning
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about Christmas. You know, every
Speaker 1: year around this time, the Marxist d bonkers out there.
Speaker 1: They set out to pick apart the significance of the
Speaker 1: Christmas story and tradition and everything and reduce it to
Speaker 1: a short list of recycled myths from all over the place.
Speaker 1: And you know, some of it we've addressed over the
Speaker 1: years other times, no matter how much they have been
Speaker 1: you know, rebunked, they just keep coming back. And I'm
Speaker 1: more of a curious guy who has my biases and
Speaker 1: my prejudices and where I lean. I leave those out
Speaker 1: there for everybody to see. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I ask questions and I take the answers that I
Speaker 1: get back, and from there we form better questions or
Speaker 1: better understandings.
Speaker 2: That's all it's about and tonight.
Speaker 1: I have more tonight because this is the time of year,
Speaker 1: around the eleventh day of December. Yeah, we're getting there,
Speaker 1: getting closer and closer. Fourteen days out. This is when
Speaker 1: we're going to see it all simmer all the subversive
Speaker 1: stuff starts simmering. Many people who are just living their
Speaker 1: lives outside of the interwebs are just going about their
Speaker 1: business and they're counting down the days in the calendar,
Speaker 1: not only to Christmas but to the New Year, and
Speaker 1: they're not really worried about anything else. But in the
Speaker 1: Tavistock cesspool that is the Internet, there's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of shit going on. And the war continues to rage,
Speaker 1: so and every day there's new factions of that war too.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I'll talk about that in a little bit, but that's
Speaker 1: all I have to say. In the meantime, you still
Speaker 1: have plenty of time to go and make gift baskets
Speaker 1: for all of your friends, stuff stockings for all of
Speaker 1: your friends. With our affiliates. You can go to quite
Speaker 1: frankly TV to the affiliates page. There's Blue Monster Prep.
Speaker 1: Get people gift certificates for prepping so they can go
Speaker 1: out and get water filtration and you know, two way radios, food,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, that's all there. Hell, we just talked
Speaker 1: with Robin McCutcheon about the economy and what the new
Speaker 1: American dollar may look like. Even if it is if
Speaker 1: we're talking about something that can be used on a
Speaker 1: digital slash crypto level, but it's backed by an asset
Speaker 1: like gold, gold and silver can be gotten on quite
Speaker 1: frankly dot gold. Our good buddy, Tony are I actually
Speaker 1: have to get on the phone with him. He said
Speaker 1: he has some Christmas prints for the one ou silver
Speaker 1: rounds that's here. Just give him out to everybody who
Speaker 1: deserves a gift in my family. In fact, tonight in
Speaker 1: the second half, I'm gonna be giving out this last
Speaker 1: round I have laying out over here, the silver. Who
Speaker 1: knows which one of you gets that one? And I'll
Speaker 1: even throw in one of the even more valuable quite
Speaker 1: frankly wooden nickel. That's it, the wooden nickel. That's good
Speaker 1: for us, good for you if you win it. But
Speaker 1: there's more. There's there's merchandise, there is there's tons. You
Speaker 1: can even get somebody as general sponsorship to the show.
Speaker 1: So thank you all for that tonight the after hours,
Speaker 1: since we are going to be doing a lot about
Speaker 1: Christmas origin stories and all that stuff and proofs and
Speaker 1: all that. After hours, we have that really awesome documentary
Speaker 1: by Rick Larson, who I've been trying to get on
Speaker 1: the show, but maybe you have to start trying in
Speaker 1: July about the Star of Bethlehem.
Speaker 2: The Star of Bethlehem is going to be playing.
Speaker 1: If we get off the air at nine o'clock, we'll
Speaker 1: have about a half hour buffer of some other really
Speaker 1: cool stuff that'll be there after the show on quite
Speaker 1: frankly dot TV, and then the Star of Bethlehem full
Speaker 1: documentary will start at nine thirty. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: over an hour, but you got to you gotta, you
Speaker 1: gotta listen to this and a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1: I realized we got in a great conversation with Timothy
Speaker 1: Alberino about the Star of Bethlehem and what was going
Speaker 1: on astronomically in the sky about two thousand and twenty
Speaker 1: years ago or whenever the hell it was.
Speaker 2: What do people say that Jesus was born four years
Speaker 2: before Christ was born? I never get that. I thought
Speaker 2: that year.
Speaker 1: Zero was year zero, Like, no, actually he was born
Speaker 1: in uh three BC. Wow, jeez, that's really early to
Speaker 1: talk about an early due date. You know, Aurora showed
Speaker 1: up three years three days before her due date. You know,
Speaker 1: she's supposed to be on the seventeenth of September, showed
Speaker 1: up on the fourteenth.
Speaker 2: Jesus showed up three years early. I never got it.
Speaker 2: But what the hell? Who am I to question?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So, so yeah, I think that's all I have for
Speaker 1: you right now in the second half of the show,
Speaker 1: aside from taking your calls and all the responses to
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're going to get with jayder On with us.
Speaker 1: We have to get into we must get into the
Speaker 1: UFO thing in in Jersey. It has reached incredibly ridiculous
Speaker 1: levels where now there are conflicting reports and denials from
Speaker 1: both Congressmen and then the Pentagon about whether or not
Speaker 1: a the UFO slash drones are Iranian, but that there
Speaker 1: is a mothership, mother ship off the east coast of
Speaker 1: the United States somewhere that we haven't seen and somehow
Speaker 1: can't find a way to deal with the Iranians.
Speaker 2: They've crossed the Atlantic and they're.
Speaker 1: Just parked out there, and we just so we have
Speaker 1: to get around to that tomorrow. There may be an
Speaker 1: impromptu stream from my phone at some point on YouTube,
Speaker 1: but the seven o'clock show is canceled tomorrow. I got
Speaker 1: to get over here. We have to do some more
Speaker 1: painting in here. There's more electrical work that I have
Speaker 1: to do, some other things we're swapping out, and I
Speaker 1: want that done before the weekend. Very important that I
Speaker 1: do that before the weekend. So I'll be here early
Speaker 1: tomorrow painting and getting other things done, and then maybe
Speaker 1: sometime this afternoon. That afternoon I will do a stream.
Speaker 1: Perhaps I'll go cross go live across all the platforms,
Speaker 1: but I will not be live at seven. Maybe I
Speaker 1: will rerun it at seven on quite frankly TV. But
Speaker 1: tomorrow's gonna be a little bit different because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of things we've got to do
Speaker 1: over here. And I think that's all the end of
Speaker 1: my announcements. Into the grab bag. We go for a
Speaker 1: couple of seconds that we have left. It's seven oh seven.
Speaker 1: Jay is coming on in about eight minutes, so that
Speaker 1: means I got about five for moving and shaking.
Speaker 2: First one is from where the hell is this? I
Speaker 2: don't know?
Speaker 1: Study finds, Oh, it's from study fines for some reason,
Speaker 1: it's not showing up on this. It's not showing ap
Speaker 1: use well, I can't find it.
Speaker 2: Chris Milori. Study finds silent epidemic. You want to know
Speaker 2: what it is. It's not COVID, it's herpes.
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and forty six million people are infected with
Speaker 1: genital herpes?
Speaker 2: Are you one of them? Anyway? In Geneva?
Speaker 1: Did you know that there has been a hidden epidemic
Speaker 1: sweeping the world. A new study finds nearly a billion
Speaker 1: people are dealing with a painful and socially traumatizing infection
Speaker 1: that has no cure. More than one in five people
Speaker 1: between the ages of fifteen and forty nine are living
Speaker 1: with genital herpes, the staggering statistic that reveals a global
Speaker 1: health challenge largely shrouded in silence and stigma. These shocking findings,
Speaker 1: revealed by the World Health Organization, exposed the widespread nature
Speaker 1: of this common sexually transmitted infection, with researchers calling for
Speaker 1: urgent action. The numbers are eye opening. Approximately eight hundred
Speaker 1: and forty six million people worldwide carried genital herpes with
Speaker 1: a new infection happening every second, every second, translating to
Speaker 1: forty two million new cases annually. It's probably that porn
Speaker 1: star girl that just slept with one hundred people in
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. What a dark path that chick is on.
Speaker 1: I saw a two minute clip of the documentary that
Speaker 1: just came out, and she's all traumatized afterwards, crying this
Speaker 1: that she's feeling.
Speaker 2: This feels like a robot.
Speaker 1: She just screwed one hundred people in twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: thinking Okay, well that would be rock bottom for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Maybe this actually changes something for her.
Speaker 1: And then the next day she announces that she's going
Speaker 1: to try to set the world record in spring of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five where she bangs a thousand people in
Speaker 1: a day.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: She might be the sole source of herpes. She might be,
Speaker 1: but that's one thing for you. I hope that went
Speaker 1: over well with the family. All right, now, let's go
Speaker 1: to the next one. SFGate dot Com SF Tech CEOs
Speaker 1: billboards are dystopian. That's how he wants it over here
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, Thursday afternoon, in San Francisco, on one
Speaker 1: side of Mission Street, hotel workers chanted and banged on
Speaker 1: a drum outside of the Marriotte Marquee, part of a
Speaker 1: month's long strike for higher wages and more jobs. On
Speaker 1: the other, a tech company billboard proclaims stop hiring humans.
Speaker 1: Various versions of the provocative advertisements are emblazing across the
Speaker 1: city on rotating screen displays, on bus shelters, and on
Speaker 1: classic vinyl billboards on polls and buildings plugging the San
Speaker 1: Francisco startup Artisan. SF Gates spoke with Artisan's CEO about
Speaker 1: the campaign. The company has just thirty employees and is
Speaker 1: less than two years old. It's only existing product. It's
Speaker 1: an artificial intelligence sales agent called Artisan, built to automate
Speaker 1: the work of finding and messaging potential customers.
Speaker 2: It's a classic.
Speaker 1: AI age idea, one of many such tools flooding the
Speaker 1: tech world. Oh maybe I should look into that. I
Speaker 1: definitely would like to bring on two main business sponsors
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty five. In fact, I'll just tell the
Speaker 1: audience that if you've got a badass business, American Maid,
Speaker 1: whatever the hell you are, and you need a national audience,
Speaker 1: get in touch with me. Let's see. But the billboards
Speaker 1: in San Francisco are less routine. Bleak might be a
Speaker 1: better word or mean spirited in a city laden with
Speaker 1: jargoning advertisements, These are easy to understand. Most feature a
Speaker 1: dark haired, purple air, purple eyed persona and a few
Speaker 1: rows of texts. Some critique humans and remote work, artisans
Speaker 1: won't complain about work life balance, and artisans zoom cameras
Speaker 1: will never be not working today. Others are more direct,
Speaker 1: higher artisans not humans. Several include the line the era
Speaker 1: of AI employees is here. Oh, I believe them, I
Speaker 1: believe them, and one hell of a you know, juxtaposition
Speaker 1: there with the workers strike across the whole. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you can get AI to take care of
Speaker 1: a hotel. I guess you can bring I guess robots
Speaker 1: can can go, you know, deliver fo to people's doors.
Speaker 1: But that's that's interesting, and I guess not unexpected. Israel divorce.
Speaker 1: Israel destroys Syrian naval assets in Latakia, if that's how
Speaker 1: you say it, After destroying much of the Syrian air
Speaker 1: force and its air defenses and its largest air op ever,
Speaker 1: congrats to the revolutionaries who helped me. This is from
Speaker 1: Max Blumenthal, So you know, I guess there's more of
Speaker 1: your Israeli buffer zone stuff. Israel just took out whatever
Speaker 1: navy and air force Syria had, so Assad is suddenly gone.
Speaker 1: In blitzkrieg fashion. The head choppers have taken over the
Speaker 1: government and Israel is now newtering the country while taking
Speaker 1: over new territory in order to you know, secure its
Speaker 1: own interests. As I said before, we'll see how many
Speaker 1: buffer zones are claimed over the next couple of years.
Speaker 1: I'd also like to se happy birthday to Gina from
Speaker 1: South Carolina. I missed it yesterday. She turned fifty eight.
Speaker 1: She told me I didn't ask. She's proud of her age, okay,
Speaker 1: and she's a great friend of the show. And she's
Speaker 1: in great shape too, So you go, girl. I hope
Speaker 1: you had a wonderful one, and I'm sorry for the
Speaker 1: belated wishes. Let's get back to the show right after this.
Speaker 1: Be ready, ladies and gentlemen, and if you can help me,
Speaker 1: send this show out to people who've never seen her before,
Speaker 1: share it far and wide, whether you're watching live or
Speaker 1: on demand.
Speaker 2: Be right back.
Speaker 4: Do you let one ant stand up to us, then
Speaker 4: they all might stand up. Those puny little ants outnumber
Speaker 4: us one hundred to one. And if they ever figure
Speaker 4: that out there goes our way of life. It's not
Speaker 4: about food, It's about keeping those ants in line.
Speaker 2: That's why we're going back.
Speaker 4: Does anybody else want to stay?
Speaker 5: Let's ride.
Speaker 6: Say I'm mister green Christmas, mister sun, it's a green
Speaker 6: one over here.
Speaker 1: Mister heat blister, I'm mister hundred and oh you gotta
Speaker 1: love the heat miser song? Or I touch Hey, who
Speaker 1: do you like better? Are you a heat miser guy
Speaker 1: or are you a snow miser guy. I think I
Speaker 1: always liked snow miser better, only because he just didn't
Speaker 1: get frazzled that much. He was more of a joker
Speaker 1: and heat miser was a little bit more of a spaz.
Speaker 1: And so I like the whole idea of being able
Speaker 1: to throw a snowball and not have it kill somebody,
Speaker 1: whereas heat miser is just like dealing with lava all day.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just like I know, I guess you can kill
Speaker 1: somebody with an icicle, but it just seemed a little
Speaker 1: bit snow Miser touches something and it bursts into a
Speaker 1: cloud of snowflakes, and then heat miser comes in. It
Speaker 1: melts down into molten le Melton metal that just seemed
Speaker 1: very inconvenient, almost like having the the Midas touched there,
Speaker 1: which as we all know, is not a convenience at all.
Speaker 1: All right, So you let me know, heat miser or
Speaker 1: snow miser. If you want to wage war, probably heat miser.
Speaker 1: You'll kill everybody. So depending on what you what you
Speaker 1: want to do, what your intentions are, all right, So
Speaker 1: this is what we have this time of year. And
Speaker 1: I love listening to people debate. I love learning because
Speaker 1: I learned by listening to conversations a lot more than
Speaker 1: anything else. I do a fair amount of reading, been
Speaker 1: reading a lot more of late, especially since we.
Speaker 2: Ramped up the.
Speaker 1: Book club, and we've been doing that for three years.
Speaker 1: In fact, our guest tonight is he's a multiple time
Speaker 1: co host on the Quite Frankly book Club, Jay Dyer.
Speaker 1: And it's this time of year where most of us
Speaker 1: are lost in the bustle of the season, reflecting on
Speaker 1: a year of a year's past. But we are still
Speaker 1: we're still in the middle of a war, and that's
Speaker 1: what we have to we get reminded of all the time.
Speaker 1: It's a cultural war. It's taking place mostly in digital,
Speaker 1: digital fields, and we know what to expect everywhere we go.
Speaker 1: Whenever we especially when we reach a designated time for
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving in this country or anywhere, we are offered up
Speaker 1: reason after reason to reject the old culture, the old
Speaker 1: way of doing things, patriotic reasons for celebrating and remembering
Speaker 1: the past, and our wanted heroes and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: We're offered up something else. In replacement of that, we
Speaker 1: embrace something a little bit more I don't know. They
Speaker 1: want us to replace everything with something a little bit
Speaker 1: more discordant, much like modern art.
Speaker 2: From Fourth of July.
Speaker 1: To Thanksgiving, we are fed a steady diet of whiny,
Speaker 1: subversive nonsense to disengage us from tradition. That happens a lot,
Speaker 1: and of course the same is done for Christmas and
Speaker 1: Easter alike. Now, right now, we're in the middle of Advent,
Speaker 1: So there's a cacophony online that is building, and it's
Speaker 1: comprised of new atheists and neopagans. One side wants to
Speaker 1: antagonize Christians into despondency with claims that Christmas is a
Speaker 1: meaningless amalgamation of silly pagan traditions, and the other side, well,
Speaker 1: are neopagans, so they're angry, I guess because they want
Speaker 1: to be taken seriously. So it's just there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff going on, and tonight we'll get into some
Speaker 1: of those points of contention that we see year in
Speaker 1: year out with a friend of ours, Jay Dyer Jaysanalysis
Speaker 1: dot Com.
Speaker 2: He's back with us tonight, Jay. How you doing? Hey?
Speaker 3: What's that? Mon'm done great? How are you?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm doing all right.
Speaker 1: What do you usually do this time of year to
Speaker 1: get ready for the big day? You have a lot
Speaker 1: of traditions to you and the wife go to certain places,
Speaker 1: you like, do certain things, get in the mood.
Speaker 2: What do you do?
Speaker 7: I mean, for the Orthodox Church, Christmas is huge, so
Speaker 7: like we have really long services, there's a lot of services.
Speaker 7: It's a huge affair. It's only rivaled by Easter, so
Speaker 7: you know, there's a lot going on. So mainly it's
Speaker 7: just kind of focused around that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 7: my personal experiences with my wife, I mean, we just
Speaker 7: kind of do the standard stuff everybody does with family.
Speaker 1: Well, I know you guys are also really big into
Speaker 1: I've watched so many film breakdowns between you and your wife,
Speaker 1: so I got to imagine that you guys have at
Speaker 1: least a top five Christmas movies that you go to
Speaker 1: if you're gonna sit down and watch a Christmas movie
Speaker 1: that you know is always going to hit the spot
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: What is it Jingle all the Way?
Speaker 7: Actually, yeah, that's one of our favorite of the worst
Speaker 7: Christmas movies.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 7: There's a couple of comedies that are kind of funny,
Speaker 7: just Friends, It's kind of funny. But we actually kind
Speaker 7: of like Lord of the Rings around this time of
Speaker 7: year because I remember it seems like Lord of the
Speaker 7: Rings came out in the theaters back in the day, you know,
Speaker 7: two thousand and three or so, right around Christmas time,
Speaker 7: So for me, it's kind of a Christmas movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So those are some of our favorites.
Speaker 7: But i'd have to think about what I mean, there's
Speaker 7: not actually that many good Christmas movies.
Speaker 3: A lot of them are pretty much junk. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, if I were given a little bit
Speaker 1: of time to make a list, I'd have to say
Speaker 1: that there's there's more good Christmas films than there are Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad. There's just so many, so
Speaker 1: just by laws of probability, many of them are gonna
Speaker 1: be bad. But just like I can't stand most Christmas songs,
Speaker 1: but that means that doesn't mean that there aren't hundreds
Speaker 1: that I love anyway.
Speaker 2: You know another one.
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily a Christmas film I always watch around
Speaker 1: this time. You and I did the book The Godfather.
Speaker 1: I always end up watching around this time of year.
Speaker 3: That's a good point, Yeah, I kind of use.
Speaker 7: I mean, I know this is kind of nerdy, but
Speaker 7: I like the original Star Wars, and for me, that's
Speaker 7: kind of a Christmas time movie. I guess I grew
Speaker 7: up playing so many Star Wars video games around the
Speaker 7: time of Christmas, because if you play video games, you
Speaker 7: get a video game around Christmas time, you're going to
Speaker 7: be playing it. So that's also kind of burned into
Speaker 7: my mind as a Christmas era movie.
Speaker 2: Shadow Shadows of the Empire on n sixty four.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, I played the crap out of that one.
Speaker 7: I had it on PC though, but it was a
Speaker 7: lot of fun. Rogue Squadron, like all of those like
Speaker 7: sixty four.
Speaker 3: Era games, were a blast for Christmas time.
Speaker 7: There's also like some really good I'm good and super
Speaker 7: nerdy here, but there was some really good PlayStation two
Speaker 7: Lord of the Rings games too that I remember playing
Speaker 7: the crop out of It Christmas.
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 1: And you know, I bought a PlayStation five because I
Speaker 1: like having PlayStations in the house just as as an
Speaker 1: entertainment system. Did we have one too, But I was
Speaker 1: really upset when I opened it up in the box,
Speaker 1: I realized it did not have a drive input.
Speaker 2: I had to get a separate day Oh.
Speaker 3: I bought the Yeah, I made sure to buy the
Speaker 3: one was the disc.
Speaker 2: I said, eightiots, damn.
Speaker 1: So like now I have this separate DVD player that
Speaker 1: I plug in the HDMI three port.
Speaker 2: I feel like an idiot.
Speaker 1: Anyway, thirty years that's what I really want to say,
Speaker 1: thirty years of PlayStation I can't believe that it's been
Speaker 1: thirty years since the first one came out. But anyhow,
Speaker 1: the real reason I have you here tonight is because
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of it all and I want
Speaker 1: to talk about some of the things, the claims that
Speaker 1: pop up this time of year, whether it's by you know,
Speaker 1: recycled videos of Bill Maher and the religulous movie he
Speaker 1: did years ago, or that very famously circulating video of
Speaker 1: Stephen Frye going into the mithross elements of you know,
Speaker 1: where there is commonality or synchronicity between Christmas and everything else.
Speaker 1: And it's all really just just to make sure that
Speaker 1: everybody who wants to believe in a religion and believe
Speaker 1: that it is true is constantly pelted with the idea
Speaker 1: of plurality. And what I want to you here is,
Speaker 1: here's the one example I've got. And this is not
Speaker 1: from a this is not from an atheist. This is,
Speaker 1: I believe, from a neo pagan type said Christmas has
Speaker 1: pagan roots. Europeans celebrated Yule, Midsummer, a Halloween, and Easter religiously.
Speaker 1: Eleven hundred to fourteen hundred years of dressing it up
Speaker 1: as biblical does not change its root. So where would
Speaker 1: you Where do you start with this jay? Because I'll
Speaker 1: tell you one thing. I understand that there there is
Speaker 1: a level of appropriation here. A couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: me and Timothy Gordon we talked about the Tannenbaum in particular,
Speaker 1: we did a show on Saint Boniface and his mission
Speaker 1: work in northern Europe and cutting down the thunder Oak
Speaker 1: of Thor. So I understand that there is at least
Speaker 1: in that instance, you have an appropriation of pagan symbols
Speaker 1: via conquest, just like a hunter would turn game into
Speaker 1: a fluffy hat or a coat and wear it as
Speaker 1: a symbol of something that they overcame. But what about
Speaker 1: things like the Yule? And where do you start with this?
Speaker 1: Unpacking it all?
Speaker 7: Right, So there's a lot of different things we should say.
Speaker 7: The first thing I would say is that you know,
Speaker 7: Christmas actually comes out of the Orthodox East, and the
Speaker 7: dating for that is done in its earliest stage by
Speaker 7: some of the really early Eastern Church fathers, and the
Speaker 7: way they derived that date, if you go and actually
Speaker 7: read some of these church fathers in the second and
Speaker 7: third century, has nothing to do whatsoever with soul invictus,
Speaker 7: has nothing to do with anything that the Roman Empire
Speaker 7: was doing.
Speaker 3: In fact, it was all derived from the first chapter.
Speaker 7: Of the Book of Luke. And I sent you a
Speaker 7: great article by an Orthodox priest. His name's father Jeff Harvey,
Speaker 7: and it's a good shepherd Australia Orthodox Church. He has
Speaker 7: a really good article that I always share around the
Speaker 7: time of the year that explains the basics of the
Speaker 7: Christian dating of Christmas and what has really absolutely nothing
Speaker 7: to do with the pagan dating.
Speaker 3: I'll just make it really quick.
Speaker 7: Basically, in the first chapter of Luke we can derive
Speaker 7: when Zachariah was doing his priestly duties during Yom Kipor.
Speaker 7: So this is mentioned that in Luke one Zachariah is
Speaker 7: doing his priestly duties. We know that that's the time
Speaker 7: of the offering of incense and whatnot on the day
Speaker 7: of Yom Kippor. This is Luke one eight through eleven,
Speaker 7: and that then tells us the date roughly at which
Speaker 7: Christians were able to calculate the birth of John the Baptist,
Speaker 7: or what we call in the East John the Forerunner,
Speaker 7: as being born September twenty third if you read that chapter,
Speaker 7: this is when the announcement of the birth John the
Speaker 7: Baptist is so two hundred and seventy days plus that
Speaker 7: equals June twenty fourth. The observation, then of the annunciation
Speaker 7: of Christ's birth is in six months after John the
Speaker 7: Baptist conception, and this is mentioned in Luke one twenty
Speaker 7: six to twenty seven. So in the sixth month of
Speaker 7: Elizabeth's pregnancy, Gabriel is sent from God to a city
Speaker 7: Galiley named Nazareth to a virgin whose name is Joseph
Speaker 7: the House of David, and the virgin's name was Mary.
Speaker 7: So calculating September twenty third adding six months brings us
Speaker 7: to March twenty fifth, So March twenty fifth then for
Speaker 7: annunciation to Mary nine months that after March twenty fifth
Speaker 7: gets us to December twenty fifth. The other thing I
Speaker 7: would note is that Sol and Victus, as he points out,
Speaker 7: was established according to the scholar Manfred Klaus, by the
Speaker 7: Emperor Aurelian in two seventy four AD, so it is
Speaker 7: December twenty fourth, But this is actually fifty years after
Speaker 7: the early church father Sextus Julius Africanus mentions the December
Speaker 7: twenty first. So the December twenty five date is mentioned
Speaker 7: by the church fathers fifty years before the establishment of
Speaker 7: Soul Invictus and then sat Aroinais and against Heresies talks
Speaker 7: about March twenty fifth being so he's one eighty a d.
Speaker 7: He wrote a very famous so big fat Christian theology
Speaker 7: book in one eighty and he mentions that being dated
Speaker 7: this way as well, So we know the early Christian
Speaker 7: Church was really not concerned with what the pagan mysteries
Speaker 7: were up to. But so often people that repeat like
Speaker 7: the Zeitgeist sort of conspiracy stuff is really low tier.
Speaker 7: They don't really have any idea about like Christian theology
Speaker 7: or what's actually derived from the Book of Luke. And
Speaker 7: just like with Christmas in the Orthodox Church, what's called
Speaker 7: Easter is actually called Pasca. That's just the Greek word
Speaker 7: for Passover, and so it's derived from the Jewish calendar
Speaker 7: and the fulfillments of those Jewish feasts in the Christian
Speaker 7: ceremonies and the establishment of the Church in the first
Speaker 7: and second century. Thus, just with Christmas, so also Easter
Speaker 7: has nothing to do with pagan rites or ceremonies. So
Speaker 7: the fact that centuries later, in say six seven hundred
Speaker 7: in the West, when they you have conversion of Germanic tribes,
Speaker 7: the fact that they had some date that they celebrated,
Speaker 7: or that druid celebrated on the same date is really
Speaker 7: has nothing to do with the celebrations that are decided
Speaker 7: upon by the Christian Church in the early days, which
Speaker 7: relates to they're not totally aligned with the Jewish calendar,
Speaker 7: but they relate to it, and thus the fulfillment of
Speaker 7: the Jewish calendar in the revelations and the dates that
Speaker 7: Jesus fulfills according to the New Church, the New Testament fulfillment.
Speaker 2: You know the other thing there too.
Speaker 5: I I.
Speaker 1: It's all very interesting because the one thing that people
Speaker 1: will say, even without blinking, is that, you know, Jesus
Speaker 1: wasn't born in December, right, he was born in June.
Speaker 1: It's just a knee jerk thing that people who like
Speaker 1: to pull a you know, an actually on you say,
Speaker 1: you know he was actually born in June. And you know,
Speaker 1: I usually just say, oh, okay, because what am I
Speaker 1: supposed to do? And what When you ask, well, how
Speaker 1: do you come to that conclusion? Usually they'll say, well,
Speaker 1: because of the Roman census that was around the time
Speaker 1: in the Roman sense, and they try to line it
Speaker 1: up with the census. Other people have tried to say that,
Speaker 1: you know, they get wrong. And where we are latitudely
Speaker 1: and longitudely as far as that whole that whole part
Speaker 1: of the world would have been December, would it have
Speaker 1: been cold, would it still have been a harvest with
Speaker 1: the shepherds have been out doing their thing if it
Speaker 1: was in the middle of the winter, Thinking that they
Speaker 1: were living in New York or something like that. But
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of people will will come at
Speaker 1: you with almost like I did you know a bar
Speaker 1: trivia thing? When was Jesus born? They'll just say June?
Speaker 1: So where do where does that?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: That comes from just a misunderstanding of or somewhere wrong
Speaker 1: that timeline because you stopped in June for a second. There,
Speaker 1: it's just misunderstanding of that timeline.
Speaker 3: Then did that had to do with uh, John the Baptist?
Speaker 7: So that's I stopped in March because they're calculating it
Speaker 7: on the basis of what's in Luke one. Yeah, so
Speaker 7: really it's nothing. So in other words, John the Baptist's
Speaker 7: birth would be June twenty fourth, so that would be
Speaker 7: John the Forerunner, And that's calculated as two hundred and
Speaker 7: seventy days after the announcement that Zachariah's wife.
Speaker 3: Would have a baby, Elizabeth would have a baby. That's
Speaker 3: John the Baptist, right, Ye.
Speaker 7: So then if you read Luke, there's that point where
Speaker 7: Luke and where Leeke describes Mary and Elizabeth meeting, and
Speaker 7: so we know about the annunciation date wise from that time,
Speaker 7: and so that's why we get to December twenty fifth
Speaker 7: is nine months after this, the Annunciation being March twenty
Speaker 7: Excuse me, the Annunciation is March twenty fifth according to Irenaeus.
Speaker 7: So you got the early Church saying that it's dated
Speaker 7: from He's the most famous theologian of the Church in
Speaker 7: the second century, so he wrote a big giant book
Speaker 7: called Against Heresies. So in other words, he's telling us
Speaker 7: that he's a bishop. He's not just some random dud.
Speaker 7: He's like a bishop.
Speaker 3: Of the church, Leon Aeron Leon.
Speaker 7: He's telling us that we date this from March twenty
Speaker 7: fifth for John the Baptist, and then nine months later
Speaker 7: or assuming for the Annunciation, the niemus later is the
Speaker 7: birth of Christ. So I mean, whether you think that's
Speaker 7: wrong or right, Like, that's the explanation that the second
Speaker 7: century Church gives for where they're getting the dates, and
Speaker 7: it's from the Book of Luke. It has nothing to
Speaker 7: do with trying to date it to the Roman census
Speaker 7: or whatever. It's literally dated just like Easter or Pasca.
Speaker 7: It's dated according to the Jewish ceremonies. So again, if
Speaker 7: you read that article, like, the way that we would
Speaker 7: know is because of Zechariah's priesthood, So Zacharai is serving
Speaker 7: as there's a cycle of what priests do in the
Speaker 7: Jewish calendar, what they do when they're in the temple,
Speaker 7: when they're elected to be the one to offer the
Speaker 7: incense is described in Luke one, so that's where they're
Speaker 7: getting that date from. It just has it has nothing
Speaker 7: to do with what the Pagans were up to. And
Speaker 7: this is the assumption that a lot of people who
Speaker 7: have that argument of that claim make is that really
Speaker 7: Christianity was not a divinely established religion. It's just this
Speaker 7: thing that was blended with all this pagan stuff and
Speaker 7: their emperors controlled the church or whatever. But you can
Speaker 7: look at the Council of Nicea in three twenty five,
Speaker 7: and you can read the church fathers prior to Nicea,
Speaker 7: and they don't teach anything fundamentally different than after the
Speaker 7: Council of Nicea.
Speaker 3: So that is always built on these.
Speaker 7: Kind of Atlantis assumptions that there's this massive change after
Speaker 7: the Constantine created the Catholic Church or whatever. It's just
Speaker 7: not true. And you can actually read the people who
Speaker 7: were Christians from the first two third century and there's
Speaker 7: an abundant I mean all of these books up here
Speaker 7: in the Red that's abundant amount of information from that
Speaker 7: time period. So it's not a mystery. It's not like
Speaker 7: we don't know. You can actually go read these people
Speaker 7: in those time periods, and there's many church fathers who
Speaker 7: are very famous and they talk about the services, they
Speaker 7: talk about.
Speaker 3: You know, Pasca.
Speaker 7: In fact, one of the biggest controversies in the second
Speaker 7: century at the time of Aaronais between the East and
Speaker 7: the West, is about when.
Speaker 3: To date Pasca or Easter.
Speaker 7: So if the very first controversey that occurs is over
Speaker 7: when to actually date Easter, should it be specifically the
Speaker 7: Jewish calendar or something else, tells us that this is not.
Speaker 3: A pagan invention.
Speaker 7: Later or centuries later, it's one of the earliest controversies
Speaker 7: in the shit. It's called the Quartodesseminarian controversy over when
Speaker 7: to date Easter. And you if you read those church fathers,
Speaker 7: Easter is not o star or that's just a later
Speaker 7: Germanic term that has nothing to do with Pasca. They
Speaker 7: call it Pasca. And it's just amazing to me that,
Speaker 7: you know, people are this ignorant, not trying to be
Speaker 7: rude to this people to disagree, but like it's.
Speaker 3: Not very hard to go read.
Speaker 7: You know, people from the second century writing about Pasca,
Speaker 7: and in the Orthodox Church it's very clearly East, Like,
Speaker 7: it's very clearly passover. In other words, the Greek word
Speaker 7: pasca means passover, so you would never mistake Easter for
Speaker 7: something pagan in the Orthodox Church when the entire ethos
Speaker 7: is passover from Exodus.
Speaker 1: You say, what about just the the etymology of the
Speaker 1: word Easter, you know, and also visuals of things like
Speaker 1: bunnies and eggs. Where if there is very fundamental foundational
Speaker 1: differences between these pagan practices and of course the the
Speaker 1: the the the establishment of the Christian Church, then where
Speaker 1: where does the the the overlap happen, at least in
Speaker 1: popular culture?
Speaker 2: How does that start?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: So, there was a I'm trying to remember the exact spelling.
Speaker 7: It's aeostore etre, which is just the Germanic word for
Speaker 7: that goddess, but it's also a Germanic word for that season.
Speaker 7: So you know, it's like, think about the days of
Speaker 7: the week or the way we talk about the months, right,
Speaker 7: sometimes the like January or john u Sometimes that the
Speaker 7: names for things did signify a god, but that's not
Speaker 7: the only reference that those words have. So in other words,
Speaker 7: you can have a term that also refers to a
Speaker 7: time period and not necessarily a deity or a goddess.
Speaker 7: So this is what's called a word concept ballasy. A
Speaker 7: lot of times people make the mistake of thinking that
Speaker 7: because a word is used, it only has one meaning
Speaker 7: a reference. Words can have multiple meanings or reference depending
Speaker 7: upon context and depending upon intentionality of the author. So
Speaker 7: just because the word ostara meant to Germanic tribes a
Speaker 7: goddess does not mean that the festival or the time
Speaker 7: period of spring is necessarily a reference to the goddess.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: It does? It does?
Speaker 1: And you know, when it comes to something like soul
Speaker 1: and victis as well, you know, I admittedly I want
Speaker 1: to do more reading on this so that the knowledge
Speaker 1: is my own. But that is one thing that I
Speaker 1: did have in mind, a question long since posed to
Speaker 1: me about, you know, whether or not soul and Victis
Speaker 1: was shifted itself to December in order to compete with Christianity,
Speaker 1: which was already the dominant faith by the fourth century,
Speaker 1: or was it the opposite, where because we Ultimately, I
Speaker 1: don't know any Christians who are obsessed with the date
Speaker 1: of December twenty fifth being accurate or although you know,
Speaker 1: some may have better reasons than others for believing it,
Speaker 1: because they may do the research and they do what
Speaker 1: you do and stuff. But this does lend itself, This
Speaker 1: whole idea lends itself to other theories about the early Church,
Speaker 1: namely the story that Constantine's conversion wasn't authentic and that
Speaker 1: he just wanted to see Christianity married with Roman traditions
Speaker 1: and feast days in order to co opt the religion.
Speaker 1: But that's what you're saying here. The timelines don't support
Speaker 1: that theory.
Speaker 7: Yeah, both the celebration of the what we call Christmas
Speaker 7: christ Mass or the Divine Liturgy and the dating of
Speaker 7: Pasca or Easter are at least two centuries of one
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty years prior to Constantine. So no, there's
Speaker 7: no way really to conceive of anything malicious on the
Speaker 7: part of Constantine on the.
Speaker 3: Basis of these dates.
Speaker 7: So there was these dates where we're well established far
Speaker 7: before Constantine ever existed. And again you can read you know, Cyprian,
Speaker 7: you can read Ignacious, you can read herein as you
Speaker 7: can read Tertullian, you can read Origin. They're not all saints,
Speaker 7: but they're all what are called writer or like Origin
Speaker 7: and Tertullian that end up being saint, they're called patristic
Speaker 7: writers because they still give us an insight into what
Speaker 7: the thought of the Christian Church was in the second century.
Speaker 7: And again there's vast amounts of material from this time period.
Speaker 7: There's thousands of pages of material from this time period.
Speaker 7: So it's not like we have to do a whole
Speaker 7: lot of guest work. There might be certain areas where
Speaker 7: it's unclear exactly, but we know that we know they
Speaker 7: had a liturgical form of worship, we know they believed
Speaker 7: in the saints, the relics of the saints. All this
Speaker 7: stuff is very early. It's a you know, post Apostolic period.
Speaker 7: You can find all this stuff. So now it's not
Speaker 7: really anything to do with Constantine. I mean, if people
Speaker 7: want to doubt the conversion of Constantine, I mean that's
Speaker 7: I guess that's up to them.
Speaker 3: But even if you did doubt that, that really.
Speaker 7: Has nothing to do with proving or disproving anything relating
Speaker 7: to what we're talking about, because, like I said, the
Speaker 7: church fathers that are prominent at Nicia and after Nicia
Speaker 7: teach all the same stuff as the ones prior to Nicia.
Speaker 7: For example, Saint Athanasius, very famous defender of the duty
Speaker 7: of Christ.
Speaker 3: At Nicia and so forth.
Speaker 7: I mean Athanasius has festal letters that he writes to
Speaker 7: his all of the churches under his bishopric for.
Speaker 3: Easter, for Posca.
Speaker 7: I mean you could read his postcal letters. So the
Speaker 7: very people going to the Council of Nicia have Pascal
Speaker 7: East Easter letters. You know, they're famous letters that you
Speaker 7: can go read. So and he talks about the celebration
Speaker 7: of the feasts and all that. So, No, the origin
Speaker 7: of these things, although it does pick up elements of
Speaker 7: the cultures that are that surround you know, the Roman
Speaker 7: Empire or that we would you could even say more
Speaker 7: so Greek influence, like Byzantium. Like, the origin is really Hebrew.
Speaker 7: I mean all of these are Hebrew root. So I
Speaker 7: don't mean Hebrew roots movement. That's a heretical thing. But
Speaker 7: I'm talking about again, Easter is literally Pasca, it's passover,
Speaker 7: and if you I mean, it doesn't really make any
Speaker 7: sense without passover. And so the fact that for example,
Speaker 7: Christianity goes into a place where say German tribes celebrate
Speaker 7: their version of the rights of the goddess or whatever,
Speaker 7: because spring overlaps with that or something that's really just
Speaker 7: historical coincidences.
Speaker 3: Nothing. There's no evidence.
Speaker 7: Or proof for any kind of conspiracy theory there when
Speaker 7: all of the stuff that I'm talking about far predates
Speaker 7: the the pagan tribes converting.
Speaker 1: You know, and every time I talk to you and
Speaker 1: guests of your caliber, you know, it is always very
Speaker 1: shocking to me to be reminded of how much there
Speaker 1: really is as far as a historical record, because I mean,
Speaker 1: when you when you think about anything around third century,
Speaker 1: I just feel like everything that has already been turned
Speaker 1: to dust.
Speaker 2: There's there's nothing left behind.
Speaker 1: There's a very small amount, but there, as you said before,
Speaker 1: thousands of pages on any number of areas of what's
Speaker 1: been going on around there. Let me ask you about
Speaker 1: one thing in particular, and that is the history, the
Speaker 1: preserved histories of the the the pagan Germanic druid kind
Speaker 1: of you know, everything that's going on in Europe prior
Speaker 1: to Christianity's spread throughout the continent. What has been preserved
Speaker 1: directly from them, or was it all really just recorded
Speaker 1: by early Christians who are interacting with these these tribes
Speaker 1: and nations.
Speaker 3: No, the latter.
Speaker 7: Most of what we have in terms of scholarly you know,
Speaker 7: documents academia is literally just given to us through the monastics, scholars,
Speaker 7: and missionaries of that time period. So, for example, I
Speaker 7: had some grad classes on this.
Speaker 3: I know about it.
Speaker 7: Like if you go and study boe Wolf, a lot
Speaker 7: of scholars think that the the there's a recension that
Speaker 7: Christian monastics did for those texts, and so there's sort
Speaker 7: of proto Christian elements in beoe Wolf, which probably suggests
Speaker 7: that there were Christian monks that translated or preserved it
Speaker 7: and then maybe gave it some sort of christiani Ish
Speaker 7: meanings or allegorical, you know, symbolic meanings. Some people think
Speaker 7: that about you mentioned like Odin, you know that some
Speaker 7: people think that monks were even tweaking those stories, and
Speaker 7: so Odin Dying on a tree and this kind of
Speaker 7: stuff might have been Christian missionaries preserving the text and
Speaker 7: then kind of tweaking it to help convert the pagan So.
Speaker 3: All that's possible, But what it does show is.
Speaker 7: Is most people, i think will admit there's that there's
Speaker 7: not really a lot of knowledge of the ancient European
Speaker 7: pagan traditions. If you go into a lot of these groups,
Speaker 7: you'll find that the neopagan wotan Ode and all these
Speaker 7: different people that they're are knowledge of the they're actually
Speaker 7: uh doing a lot of reconstructing work. So they're kind
Speaker 7: of just kind of making it up as they go.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: If you read a lot of Tolkien, you know, Tolkien
Speaker 7: was a specialist in that uh, in that arena, and
Speaker 7: you know he was working with the EDAs and these
Speaker 7: various Icelandic manuscripts and whatnot when he was writing Lord
Speaker 7: of the Rings, and you know, there's just not a
Speaker 7: whole lot of material that's preserved. There's a there's some,
Speaker 7: but it's not like there's this all this like arcane
Speaker 7: ancient you know, pagan heritage that's hand lore that's handed down.
Speaker 7: It's not And most of the modern pagan groups literally
Speaker 7: are just reconstructing and making up as they go.
Speaker 3: And that's not.
Speaker 7: Surprising because if you look at a lot of the
Speaker 7: other cults and esoteric groups. For example, on my channel,
Speaker 7: we just lectured through the entire almost the entire five
Speaker 7: six hundred pages of the recent Cambridge publication of the
Speaker 7: Cambridge Companion to Western Mysticism and Esoterism. There's multiple chapters
Speaker 7: on the Pagan tradition, the ancient mysteries, the ancient Greek
Speaker 7: Eleusinian mysteries, the mythras. I read all those chapters, and
Speaker 7: what was funny is that many of the neopagan movements,
Speaker 7: the scholars are admitting that they're just making it up
Speaker 7: as they go. There is no ancient traditional pagan religion,
Speaker 7: so you have to reconstruct it. Think about Wicca. Wicca
Speaker 7: is that very thing Gerald Gardner studied under Croley and
Speaker 7: literally has made up an ancient religion. And part of
Speaker 7: what Crowley did was create a cult, a kind of
Speaker 7: grad school to where you learn to make your own cult. Literally,
Speaker 7: when Crowley was rewriting thet Thelma rituals, he admits he
Speaker 7: just literally started making it up as he went. And
Speaker 7: what you'll find is that that's pretty much the case
Speaker 7: amongst all these groups, is that there's not actually an
Speaker 7: ancient tradition. And that's very unique when you contra I mean,
Speaker 7: the Christian Church is unique because whether you like it
Speaker 7: or not, there is at least again a very well
Speaker 7: preserved manuscript tradition, not just of the New Testament Old
Speaker 7: Testament text with which there's thousands of which there's I mean,
Speaker 7: there's no ancient sex that has that level of attestation
Speaker 7: and number of manuscripts like the Bible of the New Testament,
Speaker 7: the Church Fathers, as you just mentioned again thousands of pages,
Speaker 7: all those read books right there, which is about eleven volumes.
Speaker 3: Most of that.
Speaker 7: Is from the first three centuries. So that's outstanding compared
Speaker 7: to I mean, if people want to resurrect some kind
Speaker 7: of Nego Pigan whatever, like they don't have anything. They
Speaker 7: would be ironically going from Christian monastic translations in the
Speaker 7: seventh eighth century. And if you go take a class
Speaker 7: on Beowulf at the University of Grady, I'll.
Speaker 3: Tell you all this.
Speaker 2: Let's get into a couple other.
Speaker 1: I'll just pick up a couple more figures, like Santa
Speaker 1: Claus for example. Now as far as Saint Nicholas, what
Speaker 1: has become now, I mean this cartoonish you know display
Speaker 1: that we have this.
Speaker 2: You know where we live right now.
Speaker 1: I understand the difference between the two and how anything
Speaker 1: can be taken and bastardized in a commercial setting. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who say that Santa Claus
Speaker 1: himself comes from Odin and that the flying reindeer and
Speaker 1: the red and white suit is very is you know,
Speaker 1: it harkens back to red and white magic mushrooms that
Speaker 1: if you take it, you hallucinate. Maybe that's how the
Speaker 1: reindeer fly. So again there is more of that going
Speaker 1: back to the Yule with the reindeer and everything else.
Speaker 1: So with the meshing of all that together, from the
Speaker 1: historical figure that is Saint Nicholas to the red and
Speaker 1: the white and the reindeer, how do you address that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: So there are way later russo finish, you know, like
Speaker 7: there are like Russian myths of like guys out in
Speaker 7: the woods who are a.
Speaker 3: Father Frost or something like that. He even has a name.
Speaker 7: I don't remember his name, but that really has nothing
Speaker 7: to do with the actual origins of.
Speaker 3: Saint Nicholas. So this is Saint Nicholas.
Speaker 7: He's this is an actual guy in the Orthodox Church.
Speaker 3: He was at the council that I see.
Speaker 7: In fact, he's famously the bishop who slapped Areas in
Speaker 7: the face in the midst of the Council of I see,
Speaker 7: it's a famous story. You can actually go and read
Speaker 7: about Saint Nicholas in terms of his history. We one
Speaker 7: year ago went to his shrine, So I've actually been
Speaker 7: to Saint Nicholas's shrine. Not that that necessarily proves anything,
Speaker 7: but it proves that it's really nothing to do with
Speaker 7: the Amanida Muscara mushroom father, you know know, Father Toadstool,
Speaker 7: or whatever the myths of the Pagans are. They might
Speaker 7: have over time had a kind of a syncretized blending
Speaker 7: of the stories of Hey, you know, what we believe
Speaker 7: about Saint Nicholas is kind of related to what we
Speaker 7: believe about, you know, Father Toadstool or whatever, the pagan mysteries.
Speaker 7: But that's just a kind of a thing that happens
Speaker 7: over time. It has nothing to do with whether or
Speaker 7: not the actual Saint Nicholas is a you know, a
Speaker 7: guy who existed or not, which he did. I mean,
Speaker 7: I go to Saint Nicholas Orthodox Church, so we have
Speaker 7: a very close connection to the actual Santa Claus. But
Speaker 7: you're absolutely right that over time, I think Coca Cola
Speaker 7: played a huge role in taking that imagery of I
Speaker 7: mean you'll notice, like the original Saint Nicholas, he kind
Speaker 7: of you know, he's got red garments and he's got
Speaker 7: his vestiments on, so you could kind of see how
Speaker 7: this might turn into you.
Speaker 3: Know, Santa Claus.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I think American corporations play a huge role
Speaker 7: in that and sort of corporatizing it and divorcing from anything.
Speaker 3: To do with Christian tradition.
Speaker 7: But of course that doesn't mean that all the legends
Speaker 7: around this this saint are true, or that there or
Speaker 7: that there weren't much later syncretized blended myths about the
Speaker 7: two the pagan and the Christian figure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I can totally see anybody who spends
Speaker 1: any time on the Internet should be able to understand
Speaker 1: how when you just you leave an idea to any
Speaker 1: kind of culture or subculture, what what happens to it
Speaker 1: over time? I mean, just look at the the timeline
Speaker 1: of development for the wojack and any other meme, any
Speaker 1: kind of any genre, subgenre of memes out there. I
Speaker 1: mean there there are fifteen fifteen year storylines now as
Speaker 1: to how we got to these levels of memes and
Speaker 1: what it's all micro references, it's become religious.
Speaker 3: Exactly that's a good knowledgy.
Speaker 1: Yeah but yeah, but okay, so what we're talking about
Speaker 1: here is mostly all just in Europe. When you get
Speaker 1: into the Bill Mahers the Stephen Fries, we get a
Speaker 1: lot of taking from everywhere around the world, Egypt with
Speaker 1: Horace and Osiris, even though the one thing I will
Speaker 1: say is that when it comes to December twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: the only place that I personally, with what little research
Speaker 1: I've done, have been able to find a direct match
Speaker 1: with is Sole and Victus. And of course we know
Speaker 1: that the timelines show that that was moved to compete
Speaker 1: with Christianity and not to.
Speaker 2: Knock the other way around to you know, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: So what with Mithras, I don't see I really don't
Speaker 1: even see anything that's mixed on where you know that's
Speaker 1: December twenty fifth.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that anywhere Egypt.
Speaker 7: Well, I think, yeah, so there's nothing to do with
Speaker 7: December twenty fifth with that. But what what the overlaps
Speaker 7: with Mythras are the importance of blood sacrifice. You get
Speaker 7: a baptism of blood in the Mithra cult.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of virgin there's a lot of virgin births.
Speaker 3: There's no but I mean there was like all this.
Speaker 7: This is the thing is that like almost all ancient
Speaker 7: religions in some way utilize a lot of these kind
Speaker 7: of archetypal ideas, the virgin right, the death resurrection ritual.
Speaker 7: That's like literally every religion. So it's a it's again,
Speaker 7: it's a fallacy, like a literal fallacy to think that
Speaker 7: because there's similarities that therefore they have.
Speaker 3: A common origin. Right, they may.
Speaker 7: But just because they bear similarities or there's some overlap, again,
Speaker 7: it's a non secutor. Doesn't follow from that that therefore
Speaker 7: Christianity is taking from the Pagans.
Speaker 3: It's just a it's a fallacy.
Speaker 7: You actually have to demonstrate it because you could literally
Speaker 7: argue in any The reason it's a fallacy is that
Speaker 7: it could go anyway.
Speaker 3: You go either way, Well, how do you know that
Speaker 3: it's not the Pagan's borrowing from the Christian tradition?
Speaker 7: Right, So it'd be like saying that the great analogy
Speaker 7: people make is like, well, you know, let's say I
Speaker 7: create a company and it looks very similar in terms
Speaker 7: of its you know, symbology to the Apple logo, and
Speaker 7: I call it bitten Apple, Right, and then five thousand
Speaker 7: years from now, archaeologists look back and they say, oh, look,
Speaker 7: you know, here's this guy.
Speaker 3: He's got a company. It's called bitten Apple.
Speaker 7: And then we get this other company called Apple, and
Speaker 7: they're around the same time. So Apple must have borrowed
Speaker 7: from bitten Apple, right, I mean that would be false
Speaker 7: because you know, you're just sort of making you're doing
Speaker 7: guess work thousands of years later about which one came first.
Speaker 7: And just because something that came first, it also doesn't
Speaker 7: necessarily mean that the thing that came later necessarily borrowed
Speaker 7: from it. It could, but not necessarily. It might have
Speaker 7: arisen with its own tradition irrespective or independent from this
Speaker 7: other thing that had similarities. So all of the ancient
Speaker 7: religions have all of them have certain things that are similar,
Speaker 7: but it doesn't follow from that that they have the
Speaker 7: same origin or that they're the same religion.
Speaker 3: It's just a fallacy.
Speaker 7: Let me give you some examples of a couple of
Speaker 7: things where there's a great article written by a scholar
Speaker 7: actually in a non Christian book.
Speaker 3: So there's a book called the and this.
Speaker 7: Is Everybody Loves Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell. They think
Speaker 7: it's also mystical. Indeed, Well, here's a book called the
Speaker 7: Mysteries that's written that's addited by Joseph Campbell and includes
Speaker 7: a bunch of Carl Young stuff, and there's a great.
Speaker 3: Essay in this.
Speaker 7: I didn't expect it to be what it was. It's
Speaker 7: called The Christian Mysteries and the Pagan Mysteries by a
Speaker 7: guy named Hugo Ronner, who's a scholar from about fifty
Speaker 7: years ago. And the whole essay is just going through
Speaker 7: all the ancient mystery religions and comparing and contrasting to
Speaker 7: the Christian religion in the early Church in the first,
Speaker 7: second or third century.
Speaker 3: And what he notes is that.
Speaker 7: The Christian mysteries, or what we call the sacrament so
Speaker 7: Paul talks about the revelation of the mysteries in christ
Speaker 7: is that there's a clear difference. The difference has summed
Speaker 7: up in three main points. He argues Christianity is a
Speaker 7: mystery of revelation, meaning that the mysteries become clear, they
Speaker 7: are revealed to us. They do not remain inscrutable unknown mysteries. Secondly,
Speaker 7: Christianity is mainly concerned with ethical living and concerns the
Speaker 7: Mystery religions were not concerned with ethics. They weren't concerned
Speaker 7: with the tank commandments. Were you a virtuous person or whatever.
Speaker 7: It's all sacrificed ritual to control the gods. Right, And
Speaker 7: Christianity is a mystery of salvation by grace and not
Speaker 7: by all of these crazy rituals and rites and whatever.
Speaker 7: And also Christianity is pro history. The Mystery religions are
Speaker 7: unanimously anti history. You're flying from history and time to
Speaker 7: get into the realm of the gods, the ancient golden times, whatever,
Speaker 7: the prime evil, the one, the transcendent mystery realm. You're
Speaker 7: trying to get away from time and space in the
Speaker 7: Mystery religions, and Jesus came into time and space to
Speaker 7: sanctify time and space because we're resurrected in bodies. The
Speaker 7: Mystery religions don't teach resurrection of the body.
Speaker 3: Egypt is of course a unique outlier in that.
Speaker 7: But you could argue that Egyptian monotheism and resurrection might
Speaker 7: have been influenced by Joseph's presence or Moses's presence in.
Speaker 3: Egypt if you read the Book of Genesis.
Speaker 7: So we don't know in a lot of these ancient
Speaker 7: historical cases how it went down.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of.
Speaker 7: Guesswork that goes into ancient history. There's far more that
Speaker 7: we don't know than we do know. So when people
Speaker 7: try to make these sort of outlandist dogmatic claims, oh well,
Speaker 7: we know that Judaism and Christianity borrowed from all these
Speaker 7: pagan religions. If you focus on and look at the
Speaker 7: contrast the difference between the religion in the in the
Speaker 7: Mosaic Law and the Pentateuch, the difference in the Revelation
Speaker 7: in the New Testament in Christ versus the religions around
Speaker 7: the surrounding cultures, there's far more of a contrast and
Speaker 7: difference and fundamental theology then there is superficial similarity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think that's really when when
Speaker 1: when you bring it up that way, I think that's why.
Speaker 1: It brings me back to the question not very dissimilar
Speaker 1: to the one that you, me and Tim Gordon discussed
Speaker 1: the last time we were all on together, that question being
Speaker 1: why Christianity. If there are there are similarities, if there
Speaker 1: are synchronicities, that there are these things there, but if
Speaker 1: a person had no faith to speak of but they
Speaker 1: were curious, and they're actively searching, and they want they
Speaker 1: want to figure something out for themselves.
Speaker 2: What about the story of Christmas?
Speaker 1: Do you believe sets it apart from everything that came
Speaker 1: before or after it? Because faith is at the center
Speaker 1: of the matter, no matter what. But this is also
Speaker 1: why we were talking about the importance of the validity.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people put a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of energy into the validity of relics and
Speaker 1: miracles and all that stuff because they I think everybody
Speaker 1: would wish that they can just have a road to
Speaker 1: Damascus moment and get struck by something that they they saw,
Speaker 1: something they can't unsee that. You know, sometimes the philosophy
Speaker 1: of everything, research, the thinking, all that stuff can just
Speaker 1: break your mind because you're talking about things that are
Speaker 1: mainly metaphysical and beyond our understanding. So that's why when
Speaker 1: I brought up relics and miracles, why there might be
Speaker 1: so important to most people is because it provides maybe
Speaker 1: some sort of empirical data to support the faith. Do
Speaker 1: you fall what do you find is could be a
Speaker 1: really great source of empirical data to say one hundred
Speaker 1: percent this is the truth?
Speaker 2: Uh, well, I.
Speaker 7: Mean as a as an Orthodox person, I mean and
Speaker 7: a person who's in the philosophy. I don't know that
Speaker 7: there is a strong empirical thing that I could point to,
Speaker 7: because anything in the empirical realm is going to be
Speaker 7: subject to interpretation, and you're going to interpret your empirical
Speaker 7: data according to the worldview of the paradigm that you have.
Speaker 7: So I would say the strongest evidence would be you
Speaker 7: just have to go to an Orthodox Divine liturgy and
Speaker 7: begin to experience it for yourself. That's the only empirical
Speaker 7: experience that I could recommend. The most Orthodox churches, if
Speaker 7: you want to check out a relic or what like,
Speaker 7: they're filled, They're filled with relics and they're filled with icons.
Speaker 7: So go check out an Orthodox liturgy, especially during Christmas.
Speaker 7: But again, like I was thinking of things that contrast
Speaker 7: the mystery religions to the revelation of Christianity. The mystery
Speaker 7: religions are clouded. History is cyclical and not beginning middle end.
Speaker 7: There's usually a goddess and an escurt who's an es
Speaker 7: court to the male God. There's no escort goddess in Christianity.
Speaker 7: The mystery religions almost always utilized drugs, some kind of
Speaker 7: allucinogenic drug. That's in the Cambridge Companion, the history of
Speaker 7: Eleusinian mysteries that utilize hallucinogens to have the revelation of
Speaker 7: the true whatever the anyway, and the mystery is always
Speaker 7: you are God, right, the mystery religions, the ancient that
Speaker 7: the ultimate secret. Literally, if you read the Cambridge Companion
Speaker 7: like it says across the board, like all these ancient
Speaker 7: the mystery religions are basically just telling you at the
Speaker 7: end of the process and of the initiatory process, oh,
Speaker 7: by the way, you're God.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 7: So it's just like I mean, every self help guru
Speaker 7: would tell you the same thing. The mystery religions are
Speaker 7: anti history, and so I think that you know, Christianity
Speaker 7: is not a cloudy religion. Orthodox Ritianity doesn't teach a
Speaker 7: cyclical view of history. There's no goddess. You're not going
Speaker 7: to get a shortcut to elimination through drug use.
Speaker 3: There's no hatred of history.
Speaker 7: And rather than saying you are God, and the Orthodox
Speaker 7: Christian idea of theosis, you become God through grace, through
Speaker 7: participating in the divine energy.
Speaker 3: So it's become a son of God. Through grace.
Speaker 7: You don't become God himself, but you do become deified.
Speaker 7: So I would say that's a big Those are all
Speaker 7: very big contrasts to the ancient mystery religions, and empirically,
Speaker 7: I would just say, you'd have to go check it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess the closest I've ever gotten to
Speaker 1: anything like that is really an analyzing the opposition to
Speaker 1: all this stuff, because I respect anybody's skepticism. I know
Speaker 1: when somebody is, hey, I still come upon questions that
Speaker 1: crop up for me along the way, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I and I really, especially if somebody approaches a
Speaker 1: dialectic or anything like that in good faith, I think
Speaker 1: it's great because it's you just it's it's a growing experience.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's just it's just enough for a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there to point out that throughout history,
Speaker 1: human being apparently just saying, oh, human beings have worshiped
Speaker 1: a vast array of gods over the course of history
Speaker 1: is enough to just take everything down.
Speaker 2: And as in these you.
Speaker 1: Know, on these HBO specials and stuff, and that in
Speaker 1: itself is their gotcha question or their gotcha statement, because
Speaker 1: Ultimately they believe that every as tech deity was bullshit
Speaker 1: as well, especially when we're talking about like new atheism.
Speaker 1: But there is a certain reverence still that they have
Speaker 1: for for example, Native American Religon, just because all this
Speaker 1: stuff creates a an environment of plurality, and plurality is
Speaker 1: the primary weapon that is used to undercut Christianity in particular.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's the thing.
Speaker 1: The first thing I started noticing time and time again
Speaker 1: before I ever even consider going back to church regularly,
Speaker 1: is that even in these very Kumbayah ways of introducing
Speaker 1: and really plugging the idea of plurality, it's all about
Speaker 1: putting a barb in the side of Christianity. And because
Speaker 1: that seems to be in the cross hairs of every
Speaker 1: major power out there right.
Speaker 7: Well, again, the basics of Christianity are, you're going to
Speaker 7: have objective morals, tenk commandments. A man has dignity because
Speaker 7: he's mandamaged of God. So you can't kill you know,
Speaker 7: will you know? The it limits the state. The state
Speaker 7: can't say it's God.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: It teaches people to live in sobriety, with self control.
Speaker 7: It doesn't say the world is evil. You don't have
Speaker 7: to flee from the world. You just have to live
Speaker 7: according to you know, the Covenant, so to speak. So
Speaker 7: I think those are all net positives. Are kind of
Speaker 7: obviously good for mankind, and they're not good for you know,
Speaker 7: the control system of this world. So they have to
Speaker 7: try to subvert it, try to control it, to try
Speaker 7: to destroy it. You know, the devil's been trying to
Speaker 7: do that for two thousand plus years, to destroy the
Speaker 7: church still here. I think it's the Orthodox Church. I't
Speaker 7: think it's Romancalic Church. I think the Roman Galicy Church
Speaker 7: is obviously evil. But yeah, I think there's all kinds
Speaker 7: of historical testimonies and evidences you could look at like that,
Speaker 7: you know, the fulfilled prophecies and messianic prophecies about Christ himself,
Speaker 7: of which there are dozens and dozens and dozens throughout
Speaker 7: the Old Testament, if not just five or ten like
Speaker 7: Protestants think, there's dozens all over the place, probably one
Speaker 7: hundred plus. So you know, there's a lot of different
Speaker 7: evidences that one could look at. But I think you're
Speaker 7: right to say that, you know, the new atheism and
Speaker 7: all of that. I actually think there's that's a that's
Speaker 7: a promoted by the establishment as well. I don't think
Speaker 7: that's any kind of real, uh counter establishment movement. And
Speaker 7: then if you look at the argumentation that they give,
Speaker 7: it's actually not a very good argument to say that, well,
Speaker 7: all these uh you know, humans have always worshiped various deities,
Speaker 7: therefore this other one is the one that you worship
Speaker 7: is also false. Well that isn't the fact that people
Speaker 7: did this doesn't actually tell me whether it's true or false.
Speaker 3: So that's actually a fallacy.
Speaker 7: So uh, I mean, because people did things in the past,
Speaker 7: even if they're right or wrong, that doesn't tell me
Speaker 7: that the people that are doing it today are necessarily
Speaker 7: true that it's wrong or right. So again, there's all
Speaker 7: these logical leaps. And what's amazing to me is that somebody,
Speaker 7: the new atheists, like they're not even proficient and basic
Speaker 7: logical fallacies.
Speaker 1: No, you're you're right on that. And of course this
Speaker 1: is your this is your forte. I mean, you spend
Speaker 1: most of your time seeking out debates, and I've watched
Speaker 1: many of them, and uh, you know, it's it's one
Speaker 1: of those things where I take a look at it
Speaker 1: and I can really respect to you know, intellectual giants,
Speaker 1: one that is just you know, a theist and one
Speaker 1: that is an atheist, just going at each other, and
Speaker 1: I want to see whose position is winning out logically.
Speaker 1: But to your point, new atheism is really built on
Speaker 1: this comedy central format of delivering information. It's largely based
Speaker 1: and built upon a set of sneering inside jokes.
Speaker 2: It's not a lot of thinking.
Speaker 1: And I'm you know, I'm totally comfortable with people being skeptical,
Speaker 1: but this is just, uh, you can just tell if
Speaker 1: you watched any episode of John Oliver, you know exactly
Speaker 1: what you're going to deal with when you are talking
Speaker 1: to an atheist these days about this subject. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that's Jay. It's been a wonderful time with you tonight.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you want to leave us with, any
Speaker 1: new appearances you got coming up, what you got going
Speaker 1: on for the rest of the holiday, or if there's
Speaker 1: any really important pieces of information about this subject you
Speaker 1: didn't want to leave on the table.
Speaker 3: I think we had most of the highlights.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I've got a lot of debates with
Speaker 7: academic atheists and people like you know, doctor Malpass or
Speaker 7: Matt Dilla, Hunty, Stefan Malin, you have debated all those
Speaker 7: kind of academic minded atheists, and people want to go
Speaker 7: check out those old debates. But no, I think we
Speaker 7: kind of hit all the main points I was thinking of.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me. It's always great to come on.
Speaker 7: I love the conversations. We have so many good book
Speaker 7: reviews that we've done over the years. But yeah, I
Speaker 7: would say I'm going to be covering some more of
Speaker 7: the espionage topic. I've been covering this really excellent history
Speaker 7: of on my channel, the spies of the British Empire
Speaker 7: who were sent out to find gold I'm excuse me,
Speaker 7: to find oil black gold, and that really helps under
Speaker 7: explain like the setup of the modern Middle East, how
Speaker 7: we got to where we are in the modern Middle
Speaker 7: East through these famous spies of the British Empire. So
Speaker 7: we're run out over my channel as well as all
Speaker 7: the open forums and that kind of stuff. And uh uh,
Speaker 7: maybe maybe shifting over into doing a lot more comedy.
Speaker 3: So I might be doing a show with h with.
Speaker 7: Sam Hyde, so nice, but that happens, then, uh, you know,
Speaker 7: we'll be shifting into probably doing a lot more comedy
Speaker 7: than we have been.
Speaker 3: So less debates and more comedy if that if that
Speaker 3: comes about.
Speaker 1: Well, that'd be great man. You know, it's always good
Speaker 1: to move things around. And if you if that ever
Speaker 1: brings you money chance into the New York tri state area,
Speaker 1: you got.
Speaker 2: To come visit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be up there that way.
Speaker 2: You got it too. You got to visit the studio absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3: I'd love to man, love to hang out, all.
Speaker 1: Right, brother, have a great night, Merry Christmas. If we
Speaker 1: don't speak, and I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And by the way, if people want a good, wacky
Speaker 7: Christmas gift, you can always get my books.
Speaker 3: That's the trek.
Speaker 7: Holly Wood wanted to sign copies that Jason Allis is
Speaker 7: in the shop and Alex won his judgment, so I
Speaker 7: should be continuing to do this hopefully, uh for the
Speaker 7: foreseeable future, I guess. And then I'm working on so
Speaker 7: Tury call you with three so that book will be
Speaker 7: out pretty soon too.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the fourth hour on Info Wars on Fridays, right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: the good So you can listen to Jay there on
Speaker 1: the fourth hour on Fridays on Info Wars wherever you
Speaker 1: listen to it. I usually bounce in on those those
Speaker 1: slots on the talkstream map and all that. I like
Speaker 1: the audio streams, but it's great to hear from you.
Speaker 1: I hope I have Jasonalysis dot com. As in the
Speaker 1: description of the episode, I hope people go buy some
Speaker 1: books and enjoy the rest of your work.
Speaker 2: Thanks my man.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks Rany, take care.
Speaker 2: All right, there he goes. It's eight oh seven pm.
Speaker 1: Let's take a really quick break when we come back,
Speaker 1: gonna do your calls. We're gonna bring that maybe until
Speaker 1: about the bottom of the hour. It's only about twenty
Speaker 1: three minutes from now, and then we'll just we're going
Speaker 1: to go right into the the UFOs. We're going to
Speaker 1: go right into the UFOs. And today we actually they
Speaker 1: dropped the term mothership. Drop the term mothership. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's an iranium mothership. It's not like a blue wavian.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not talking about uh, not talking about
Speaker 1: anything too crazy. I don't even know how the Uranians
Speaker 1: could stay up. I don't get it. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: When I think ever, I think about the Iranian Navy,
Speaker 1: I think about like hot shots part do you or
Speaker 1: something like that, just like little little river boats. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Probably probably am, but we'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: It would be wonderful to hear from you, Soose two
Speaker 1: says a great guest tonight, Frank, thank you and shout
Speaker 1: out to all the Franklis and Franciscans. I hope to
Speaker 1: get really Christmasy next week. I really do.
Speaker 2: Well, we have to. It's a last week.
Speaker 1: Last week, and then that next Monday, the twenty third,
Speaker 1: I'll have my parents in here. We'll have a little
Speaker 1: bit of a family stream, and then it's you know
Speaker 1: that Christmas Week gets broken up pretty good by the holiday.
Speaker 1: But and then after that it's the New Year's Eve disruption.
Speaker 1: Our first show back on the air, I think it's
Speaker 1: going to be Wednesday or Thursday. I think Thursday. The
Speaker 1: second you know who we got called into the show
Speaker 1: right now. It is a good friend of mine. I'd
Speaker 1: spoke about him last night. Actually it's Wayne Smoldridge.
Speaker 5: How are you Wayne, I'm done, I'm calling you back now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to hear from you.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I shouted you out the other
Speaker 1: night and people don't don't believe because you're you're active
Speaker 1: in the chat room you've been called in for years.
Speaker 2: Will you celebrated to your ninetieth birthday this year?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Wayne?
Speaker 5: Yes, but actually I'm not ninety What.
Speaker 3: Are you.
Speaker 5: Fours?
Speaker 2: Ah see, you're almost ninety one?
Speaker 5: My gosh, yeah, yeah, my birthday. You show to yours?
Speaker 2: What do you in March?
Speaker 5: Well, late March, March thirtieth, March thirtieth.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, only a couple of days, you know, Wayne,
Speaker 1: you know what this means, right? This means if you're
Speaker 1: in March, you're gonna be ninety one. This means that
Speaker 1: next Christmas is almost going to be You're at You're
Speaker 1: almost at the nat King Cole cut off the Christmas song. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you get you get wish to merry Christmas,
Speaker 1: whether you're one to ninety two. Once you get past, right,
Speaker 1: you don't you get, you don't get anywhere.
Speaker 5: Whether it drops off after that.
Speaker 1: Then you don't get any more special treatment after ninety two.
Speaker 2: Wayne, just let you know, well.
Speaker 5: Well that's where it goes, That's where it goes. But anyway,
Speaker 5: I also I want to let you I got got
Speaker 5: three books for book club, and that's how I'm lined
Speaker 5: up for that, you know. I like that. So saying
Speaker 5: that I'm not sure that the video things, but oh.
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know what, the film club is going
Speaker 1: to be something else. I think I think it'll actually
Speaker 1: be a lot easier to do because obviously, with film Club,
Speaker 1: it'll just be all right, everybody watch this movie and
Speaker 1: we're going to get together on this night, maybe the
Speaker 1: last Monday of a film club month, so everybody has
Speaker 1: about three weeks to What I would really love is
Speaker 1: to be able to get everybody together for a group viewing,
Speaker 1: but that's not that's not gonna be feasible.
Speaker 5: So I just think that's not possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm glad you're gonna be with us for
Speaker 1: for book Club, we're starting off with Fhrenheit four or
Speaker 1: five one, of course, that's right.
Speaker 5: You know. When I when I contacted Amazon, I said
Speaker 5: Fahrenheit five nine one. They corrected it for me. But
Speaker 5: I got the book. I got all three. I got
Speaker 5: all three books, you know, The Big Fisherman and Tom.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's great, that's great.
Speaker 1: I can't I can't wait to read Tom Sawyer because
Speaker 1: that's just one of those things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you sort of know, but you don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Yeah, there are certain works of art,
Speaker 1: whether it be written or visual or something like that,
Speaker 1: or movie that just get bigger than itself. They become
Speaker 1: just they become so culturally important that you get all
Speaker 1: the references even if you didn't even read or watch it.
Speaker 1: And that's that's I want to get all that that
Speaker 1: Mark Twain stuff out of the way.
Speaker 5: And I, yeah, that'd be most Queen's very good. I
Speaker 5: always liked him, but I never really read these books
Speaker 5: read honestly.
Speaker 2: There you go, we do that together.
Speaker 5: So anyway, well, I just want to let you know
Speaker 5: that I'm calling in and I call him when I
Speaker 5: had something pertinent to call about. But other than that,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm just sort of a greeted on YouTube
Speaker 5: chat room.
Speaker 1: So well, you do very well, Wayne, You're I hope
Speaker 1: I can be as active as you are when I
Speaker 1: am ninety and three quarter.
Speaker 5: Thanks for the call, and thank you. I appreciate talking
Speaker 5: to you.
Speaker 2: All right, take care. All right, there you go. Such
Speaker 2: a nice, nice man, such a southern gentleman. There you go.
Speaker 2: Like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: I always like getting calls from him. We've getting calls
Speaker 1: for a long time, all right. Jay Britz is great
Speaker 1: discussion with Jay Dyer as always, Frank, thank you well,
Speaker 1: thank you. Jay Simmos is a great guest. I can't
Speaker 1: wait for the UFO discussion. Oh it's a discussion and
Speaker 1: a half. What the hell is going on right now?
Speaker 1: Cave Toad says, debunk the rebunk, Frank, keep it up.
Speaker 1: Dawn says, Merry Christmas, Frank, much love to you and
Speaker 1: your family. Thank you, Dawn. This is all on quite
Speaker 1: frankly dot TV. And then Sean Joe with two cookies. Well,
Speaker 1: without further ado, let's just jump right into it. Do
Speaker 1: I have anything else I want to throw out there first?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: I mean there's plenty plenty that we talked about. So again,
Speaker 1: you can comment on whatever you like. We haven't totally
Speaker 1: moved on from that. Call in for comment if you'd like.
Speaker 1: But here is what I wanted to get into now.
Speaker 1: It's eight fifteen. Let's just jump into it. After this
Speaker 1: call six zero eight, you're on the air.
Speaker 9: Go ahead, Hi, Frank, it's Jenny.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Jenny, good to hear from you doing well?
Speaker 9: Doing well?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 9: I just called because I wanted to tell you that
Speaker 9: I watched the After Hours. It was the Star of Bethlehem. Yes,
Speaker 9: you had that on Sunday.
Speaker 7: I think it was, yes, and.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be on again tonight, but I wanted to.
Speaker 9: Beg Yeah, it is fascinating, Frank, Yes it is. I
Speaker 9: just loved it. It is just fascinating. Thank you for
Speaker 9: showing that again.
Speaker 1: Well it's gonna be on, It's gonna be on a
Speaker 1: little bit. Well, it'll be on the same time. I
Speaker 1: think I started that. No, No, that one might have
Speaker 1: gone on late night on Sunday after the feature.
Speaker 2: I think we did it. It's a Wonderful Life and
Speaker 2: then that.
Speaker 1: But tonight when we end at nine, that's gonna start
Speaker 1: at nine thirty, So even if you're watching it on
Speaker 1: the East Coast, it'll be it'll be done by like
Speaker 1: ten forty five or whatever. And it's just so fascinating
Speaker 1: because not only do we have, for example, tonight with
Speaker 1: Jay Dyer talking about the actual chronological how does that
Speaker 1: nine months of time shake out over the course of
Speaker 1: a year, as you know, as put together by what
Speaker 1: we learned through the Gospel of Luke and everything, but
Speaker 1: as you see in that, there is an astronomical element
Speaker 1: to this that that actually proves, not only proves, but
Speaker 1: explains why the things that were going on in the
Speaker 1: sky at the time of Christ's birth was incredible. It
Speaker 1: was impossible as far as timing goes, and it.
Speaker 9: Was just exactly exactly. And that's the thing. It's like,
Speaker 9: some people believe that the Great Pyramid was built during
Speaker 9: the Age of Leo, which would have been when the
Speaker 9: constellation of Leo came up over the horizon. I believe
Speaker 9: in the eastern sky, probably in the spring or what
Speaker 9: a certain time of year and that. And so when
Speaker 9: you look at the the Sphinx, I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 9: when you look at the sphinx, its head looks very
Speaker 9: small compared to its body. And my belief in that
Speaker 9: is that some faraoh many many years later said, oh,
Speaker 9: I think my face would look nice up there. Let's
Speaker 9: carve that thing down. I think it was a lion.
Speaker 2: A lot of.
Speaker 1: People think that, and I a lot of people I've
Speaker 1: heard that, and it's very compelling stuff because you're like,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. It seems like disproportionate. There should
Speaker 1: have been something much bigger there, and perhaps it was.
Speaker 9: Well, I've always known that, you know, I think I
Speaker 9: think the stars and the sky and God, it's all
Speaker 9: it's all really important. But thank you so much for
Speaker 9: playing that, and I'll watch it again. It was absolutely
Speaker 9: fascinating show.
Speaker 1: Well, well, thank you, Jenny, and I'll be watching it
Speaker 1: tonight as well because I get a kick out of that,
Speaker 1: and like I said, it just adds the improbability level
Speaker 1: of all that. It just makes you wonder whose hands
Speaker 1: at work here? Thanks again for the call tonight nine thirty.
Speaker 1: The first thirty minutes is actually really really interesting as well.
Speaker 1: So there you have it. All right, let's jump into this. Now,
Speaker 1: this was yesterday, Tracy put this up? Who the hell
Speaker 1: is this? Drones are sophisticated. Wait, let me click through
Speaker 1: to see where this is from. All right, here, listen
Speaker 1: to this guy in Morris County twenty.
Speaker 7: I don't know how many mayors sent a letter to
Speaker 7: you this morning, ask it for a clarification.
Speaker 3: What can you tell us? What is going on?
Speaker 7: And why is it ticket so long to come up
Speaker 7: with an ext one nation?
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a good I don't blame people for being frustrated.
Speaker 10: Let me say, most importantly right up front, we see
Speaker 10: no evidence and I say this includes Homeland Security, FBI,
Speaker 10: Secret Service, our state police authorities at all levels of government.
Speaker 10: The most important point to say is we don't see
Speaker 10: any concern for public safety.
Speaker 1: See here's the thing to keep saying that, and we
Speaker 1: know that they'll lie to us about anything. These are
Speaker 1: just very basic talking points about things in the sky.
Speaker 1: But the New Jersey aspect of this story has really
Speaker 1: only become very popular in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Prior to that, we were getting these these headlines about
Speaker 1: swarming unidentified aerial you know, vehicles, not necessarily anything that
Speaker 1: was you know, seemed to be anti gravitic, but they
Speaker 1: were just swarming drone like but they were in fleets,
Speaker 1: and they were over very highly restricted airspaces, and over
Speaker 1: the course of that time, you know, you'd have the
Speaker 1: Pentagon or Langley or all these places making statements about
Speaker 1: it that they're there and we're trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what they are, figure out what they are. If you
Speaker 1: and I flew anything over that airspace, that would be
Speaker 1: shot down. So the fact that the most defended airspaces
Speaker 1: and on the East Coast.
Speaker 2: Are kind of like, go, what's going on.
Speaker 1: And nobody has any answers right off the bat, My
Speaker 1: bullshit meteor is going off?
Speaker 2: What is this all?
Speaker 1: About and they keep saying that is they pose no threat.
Speaker 1: But they're sophisticated, and as Tracy said, top officials are
Speaker 1: meeting all day long. They have nothing to offer the public.
Speaker 1: How do you know that they're no threat? How do
Speaker 1: you even know that? This morning, Douglas McGregor tweeted this out.
Speaker 1: Congressman tells Fox News a credible source at review that
Speaker 1: the New Jersey drones were launched from an eastern from
Speaker 1: the Eastern seaboard and are from China and Iran.
Speaker 2: China and Iran. You want to hear that. This is
Speaker 2: Jeff Van Drew.
Speaker 1: He claims that Iran has stationed a so called mothership
Speaker 1: off of the US East Coast, reportedly launching drones now
Speaker 1: flying over New Jersey.
Speaker 11: In focus now, Republican Congressman Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey,
Speaker 11: member of the House Judiciary Committee on the Hill. Right now,
Speaker 11: how do you address this at this point?
Speaker 3: Well, here's the real deal, Harris.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm also on the Transportation Committee, on the
Speaker 8: Aviation Subcommittee, and I've gotten to know people and from
Speaker 8: very high sources, very qualified sources, very responsible sources. I'm
Speaker 8: going to tell you.
Speaker 3: The real deal.
Speaker 8: Iran launched a mothership probably about a month month ago
Speaker 8: that contains these drones. That mothership is off I'm gonna
Speaker 8: tell you the deal. It's off the east coast of
Speaker 8: the United States of America. They've launched thrones. Is everything
Speaker 8: that we can see or hear. And again, these are
Speaker 8: from high sources. I don't say this lightly.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 8: You know, we know there was a probability it could
Speaker 8: have been our own government. We know it's not our
Speaker 8: own government because they would have let us know it
Speaker 8: could have been.
Speaker 2: Did you hear that now? When I heard that line.
Speaker 1: When I heard that line, I said, okay, all, I've
Speaker 1: never heard of New Jersey Congressman Jeff van Drew before,
Speaker 1: but he is either mentally handicapped or he's part of
Speaker 1: the operation. It's we know it's not our own government
Speaker 1: because if they were part of this, they would have.
Speaker 2: Told us what a dummy, what an absolute dummy.
Speaker 8: There's some really glorified hobbyist or hobbyists that we're doing
Speaker 8: something unbeliev They don't have the technology, but let's pretend
Speaker 8: that's possible. The third possibility with somebody, an adversarial country
Speaker 8: doing this. You know that Iran made a deal with
Speaker 8: China to purchase drones, motherships, and technology in order to
Speaker 8: go forward. The sources I have are good. They can't
Speaker 8: reveal who they are because they are speaking to me
Speaker 8: in confidentiality. These drones should be shot down, whether it
Speaker 8: was some crazy hobbyist that we can't imagine, or whether
Speaker 8: it is Iran, and I think it very possibly could be.
Speaker 2: They should be shot down.
Speaker 1: Now here's my question to you. I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this a long time ago. Why don't we shoot them down?
Speaker 1: Why don't we shoot them down? Then I start realizing
Speaker 1: why you can't shoot them down? I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this all last week. You give everybody special permission to
Speaker 1: go out there and hunt turkey and deer when the
Speaker 1: population gets too much, and they might rus start right
Speaker 1: out onto parkways and highways around here in the Northeast.
Speaker 1: But then again, you know, there's a big difference between
Speaker 1: giving a few people temporary seasonal bow and arrow licenses
Speaker 1: to go hunt along the side of a highway and
Speaker 1: letting anybody say, hey, you know, put you know, load
Speaker 1: some slugs into that shotgun of yours, and you can
Speaker 1: shoot down anything that's over your house, because you know
Speaker 1: what will happen. You know what will happen. First of all,
Speaker 1: you don't want property, damn. Even if this thing is
Speaker 1: a foreign presence in the sky, you're talking about things falling,
Speaker 1: property damage, people getting killed, hitting the head people start.
Speaker 1: Then you know, people will just be shooting television, news, helicopters,
Speaker 1: planes in descent. It would be nuts. It would be
Speaker 1: nuts when you think about it. But then I also
Speaker 1: wondered what happens if people start taking shots at these
Speaker 1: things and they literally realize, they realize that they cannot
Speaker 1: bring them down, that nothing's happening, that they're hitting them
Speaker 1: but nothing's happening.
Speaker 2: That would be interesting too write.
Speaker 1: But again, what they are, they're clustered around, it's complete,
Speaker 1: it's so public.
Speaker 2: They're in they've got more lights than an airplane. There
Speaker 2: is no real attempt here at being stealthy.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, and so you would think that after a
Speaker 1: while you'll get you would get some state law enforcement
Speaker 1: officer coming out and saying, we heard about this over
Speaker 1: the last week, we looked into it, we found the source.
Speaker 2: You know, people are being investigated and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Or telling us what the hell it was, the fact
Speaker 1: that every couple of days, we have a higher and
Speaker 1: higher authority coming out to affirm that nobody knows what's
Speaker 1: going on. We're trying to figure this out. And then
Speaker 1: we have this jockeying back and forth. This guy from California,
Speaker 1: from New Jersey says that there is a mothership of
Speaker 1: Iranian origin that is hanging out off the coast. Well,
Speaker 1: our coast guard doesn't see this. The Carnifold cruise ships
Speaker 1: don't see this. I mean, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: How advance is the Iranian Navy? I mean, I know
Speaker 1: that they have taken quite a bit of quite a
Speaker 1: bit of didn't they seize like a couple of gunboats.
Speaker 2: Of ours a while ago?
Speaker 1: Wasn't it wasn't that the Iranians that made our our
Speaker 1: our navy officers cry on like one of those ransom videos.
Speaker 1: It was pathetic during the Obama administration. I mean, God
Speaker 1: knows what they do have. They have something of value,
Speaker 1: It definitely came from us. But then we have this
Speaker 1: so that that that Jeff guy, the congressman from New
Speaker 1: Jersey says one thing about the mothership, and then the
Speaker 1: Pentagon comes out by.
Speaker 2: Way of zero heads.
Speaker 1: We have this one Pentagon denies Congress's claim of an
Speaker 1: Iranian mothership launching drones off.
Speaker 2: The US coast. So who are we supposed to believe.
Speaker 1: This guy on television who had I don't know, he
Speaker 1: really might have been just naive. Do you really think
Speaker 1: he's part of some grand operation. I never heard of
Speaker 1: him before. He might just be naive, gullible, a little
Speaker 1: bit stupid to think that the United States government would
Speaker 1: tell us if they were doing something weird. But maybe
Speaker 1: he is naive because maybe in that state, he was
Speaker 1: telling the truth that he heard from a good source
Speaker 1: that there is a mothership. Perhaps it's not Iranian, but
Speaker 1: maybe there is an offshore mothership. Perhaps these things are
Speaker 1: coming out of the water. Maybe we're talking, you know,
Speaker 1: I've heard all the theories about perhaps you know, these
Speaker 1: things are posing as traditional drone unmanned objects that are
Speaker 1: propelled by I don't know, six hour I guess that
Speaker 1: you'd have to be up in the air for a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 2: How good is the batteries?
Speaker 1: Then again, you're talking about vehicles that are the size
Speaker 1: of volkswagons, So it's got to be something, and you know,
Speaker 1: anything that we could buy. Somebody has much better locked
Speaker 1: up in some bunker somewhere. But perhaps it is far
Speaker 1: advanced technology that is masking itself as something a little
Speaker 1: bit more primitive by putting off some kind of you know,
Speaker 1: audible hum or buzz that would be easily identified by
Speaker 1: someone like you and me as you know, blades of
Speaker 1: a propeller. And maybe it's just a trick. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: just a way to cloak itself. Meanwhile, this thing could
Speaker 1: probably dip into the ocean and just hide out there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they want to be seen. It's
Speaker 1: there for a reason. And now we're playing games with
Speaker 1: the higher authorities in the country, not just in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: There's not any truth to that, Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary
Speaker 1: Sabrina Singh told reporters on Wednesday afternoon hours at the
Speaker 1: Republican Congressman Jefferson Van Drew of New Jersey claimed on
Speaker 1: Fox News that Iranian drones were flying over New Jersey skies.
Speaker 1: There's no Iranian ship. Here's what she said, Jen.
Speaker 12: Sabrina, can you tell me what the Pentagon is doing
Speaker 12: to address this issue of drone sightings over New Jersey.
Speaker 12: It's near sensitive installations, the FBI is involved, What is
Speaker 12: the Pentagon.
Speaker 13: Doing sure, so at this time so aware of those
Speaker 13: drone sightings that have been reported. At this time, we
Speaker 13: have no evidence that these activities are coming from a
Speaker 13: foreign entity or the work of an adversary. We're going
Speaker 13: to continue to monitor what is happening. But you know,
Speaker 13: at no point where our installations threatened when this activity
Speaker 13: was occurring.
Speaker 12: Can you rule out that these are American drones? We're
Speaker 12: with military drones.
Speaker 13: These are not US military drones. Again, this is being
Speaker 13: investigated by local law enforcement. What our initial assessment.
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, but I'm sure that the Yeah, local law
Speaker 1: enforcement are investigating these things, even though why why hasn't
Speaker 1: one been followed back to its point of origin? You
Speaker 1: why after a couple of days of what the hell
Speaker 1: are these things and who they belong to? They're flying
Speaker 1: over my house at night? I mean, at the very least,
Speaker 1: it's violating sound ordinance. No, New Jersey doesn't have sound
Speaker 1: ordinances for late night and all that shit, especially if
Speaker 1: you're not living next to an airfield. Especially if you
Speaker 1: are living next to an airfield.
Speaker 2: We do.
Speaker 1: We're a couple of miles away from Westchester County Airport,
Speaker 1: so there are you know, every once in a while
Speaker 1: there'll be a late night plane coming in a red
Speaker 1: eye or something, but for the most part, it is
Speaker 1: very very low traffic at night because they don't want
Speaker 1: to keep people awake. You would think after a couple
Speaker 1: of days of no answers, the most the easiest thing
Speaker 1: you can do is to attach one of your own
Speaker 1: drones or a police helicopter to following this thing around
Speaker 1: until you find out where it went. What the hell
Speaker 1: are we talking about here? Follow the thing home, follow
Speaker 1: it home. This is all bullshit. She also claims they're
Speaker 1: not US military drones and they're trying to figure it
Speaker 1: out and all that. Yeah, well that, like I said before,
Speaker 1: that was a local issue. But when it was flying over,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the Pentagon or if
Speaker 1: it was CIA.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. War Clandestine says.
Speaker 1: If it's not Iran, a foreign entity, or US military,
Speaker 1: that would leave intelligence community, private entity or civilian and extraterrestrial.
Speaker 1: If it was private entity or civilian, they would have
Speaker 1: been taken to task quick quick, because I'll tell you
Speaker 1: one thing. If I had a radio transmitter and I
Speaker 1: wanted to open up myself a nice little pirate radio station,
Speaker 1: over here this week, I would go live for a
Speaker 1: couple of hours before somebody is knocking on my door,
Speaker 1: where they would have tracked me down to figure out
Speaker 1: where I was transmitting, what was going on, and who
Speaker 1: I was interfering with. That would have been that quickly, quickly.
Speaker 1: If I opened up a legitimate pirate radio stream over here,
Speaker 1: I would have been taken care of. No way, no way.
Speaker 1: So that's from the Pentagon. Now we'll take a couple
Speaker 1: of calls in just a second. But first I wanted
Speaker 1: to I want to show you what we we threw Grock. Okay,
Speaker 1: Mike from Maryland threw this to Grox at Hi Grox.
Speaker 1: Check out this main news story and it's about Jeff
Speaker 1: Van Drew of New Jersey the mysterious drones.
Speaker 2: Take listen to this.
Speaker 1: Congressman's claims, speaking on Fox News, suggested that the drones
Speaker 1: might be Iranian and could be potentially from a mothership
Speaker 1: launched about a month ago.
Speaker 2: He emphasized, and what does that mean? Mothership?
Speaker 1: Does that mean an actual seafaring ship that these things
Speaker 1: are going back to landing, getting recharged, getting resupplied, and
Speaker 1: then going out and conducting their missions completely uninhibited. That
Speaker 1: they're going back out to a seafaring ship, or is
Speaker 1: there a floating ship in the sky that has been
Speaker 1: there for a couple of weeks that nobody has seen,
Speaker 1: even in broad daylight. What the hell does that mean?
Speaker 1: He emphasized the need for these drones to be shot
Speaker 1: down due to potential threat that they pose. Pentagon's response said, no,
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of an Iranian ship off the coast
Speaker 1: of US or any foreign entity launching drones toward the US.
Speaker 1: Context and speculation, the drone signings have led to various
Speaker 1: speculations regarding their origins, including possible links to foreign surveillance
Speaker 1: or even extraterrestrial activity. Yeah, official investigations by agencies like
Speaker 1: the FBI have not confirmed any such connections. The FBI
Speaker 1: can't even figure out why somebody would shoot hundreds of
Speaker 1: people in Las Vegas. They have no clue what was
Speaker 1: driving the identity lists twenty something year old that tried
Speaker 1: to take out Donald Trump when the Secret Service disappeared
Speaker 1: in July and left a complete open lane for him.
Speaker 1: Why would you think the FBI is going to produce anything? Seriously,
Speaker 1: I heard Christopher Ray stepped out today. That's nice. We'll
Speaker 1: see if Cash or Patel makes that agency worth a
Speaker 1: shit for a couple of years before hopefully he's shuts
Speaker 1: it down and sends that back to the States as well.
Speaker 1: That would be wonderful that we have here additional theories.
Speaker 1: And what's going on is then another thing that we
Speaker 1: threw to groc additional theories classified military technologies. There's speculation
Speaker 1: that these drones could be part of US military government project.
Speaker 1: Some experts suggest that they might be testing advance, possibly
Speaker 1: secretive drone technology, including swarm capabilities or surveillance equipment. This
Speaker 1: theory is supported by the drones advanced behavior and the
Speaker 1: fact that they've been spotted near sensitive military installations like
Speaker 1: the Picatinny Arsenal.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of It kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of those Hunter Killers, the Hunter Killers from Terminator two.
Speaker 1: You know, in the opening of Terminator two, when they're
Speaker 1: in the future and they're fighting the robots and they
Speaker 1: have those big drones that are coming over. Those are
Speaker 1: unmanned craft looking over and those are the Hunter Killers
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at those and you know, everybody right now,
Speaker 1: think about if you go into the future and that
Speaker 1: shit actually really becomes true. This is the moment where
Speaker 1: people are looking up at those things and they're a
Speaker 1: little bit unnerved. God knows where it could all go.
Speaker 1: Non human intelligence. Some individuals on except suggested that drones
Speaker 1: exhibit behavior more akin to unidentify to aerial phenomena or UFOs,
Speaker 1: such as a silent propulsion and instant maneuvers. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear any silent propulsion. I didn't see instant maneuvers. I've
Speaker 1: been seeing floating over trees, floating, hovering.
Speaker 2: I don't listen.
Speaker 1: If I if we saw hard right angle turns at
Speaker 1: high speeds, we're then we're in business. We're cooking with
Speaker 1: gas at that point. I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 1: For an adversary surveillance. That could be one commercial or
Speaker 1: defense contractor testing. That's another thing.
Speaker 2: Again. If that's the case, it should be on the books.
Speaker 1: I know that there is limited government oversight, but there
Speaker 1: are parts of the government who know exactly who is
Speaker 1: working on what projects and whatever. So it's either we're
Speaker 1: not being told and everybody's lying, which seems that way,
Speaker 1: a psychological operation or a false flag GROC came up
Speaker 1: with this. There's a small contingent that speculates that these
Speaker 1: activities might be part of a psychological operation or leading
Speaker 1: up to a false flag event designed to either test
Speaker 1: public reaction or to justify future security measures or military actions.
Speaker 1: This theory, however, lacks substantial evidence, and then radiation detection.
Speaker 1: One rumor captured on X suggested that these drones might
Speaker 1: be involved in searching for lost nuclear material just in
Speaker 1: somebody's backyard in New Jersey, given their rumored capability to
Speaker 1: detect radiation. This theory, however, remains unverified and speculative. So
Speaker 1: it's really you know, it's interesting, but a lot of
Speaker 1: these things are just being dragged from from the Internet
Speaker 1: where everybody is trying to throw out theories because nothing
Speaker 1: that is being made publicly available really makes sense at all.
Speaker 2: So that's where we are right now. Today. We got
Speaker 2: news of a mother ship, and.
Speaker 1: Then as soon as a very confident, perhaps slightly naive
Speaker 1: a member of Congress came out and made that that
Speaker 1: that declaration to the world, the Pentagon reeled them back
Speaker 1: and said, no, it's not true. Well where did he
Speaker 1: hear that from? And what's happening? So real quick a break,
Speaker 1: when we come back your calls. All topics are on
Speaker 1: the table nine one four, two hundred two sixty nine.
Speaker 1: See you in a second.
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Speaker 15: Hey, Frank, this browntail. How you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Great to hear from you. What's on
Speaker 2: your mind?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 15: Well, just went in on the drone thing. A couple
Speaker 15: of things that come out. And before I was in
Speaker 15: my para, like before I was a brown tail, I
Speaker 15: was actually a one thirty pilot playing a lot of
Speaker 15: combat missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and whatnot, and uh a
Speaker 15: lot of times like the Predator drones and some of
Speaker 15: those assets were in the area, so I've gotten a
Speaker 15: chance to tangle in the airspace with those guys. And
Speaker 15: one of the things that's striking me about what's going
Speaker 15: on with this stuff. One the light is over, so
Speaker 15: it's obviously it's it's man made. It's something here.
Speaker 1: Yes, And it's not only that browntail. The lighting is over,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's bright. It's very very noticeable. It's also
Speaker 1: these craft are allowed. They're buzzing, buzzing, buzzing there. Whatever
Speaker 1: the hell is going on here, public attention is definitely
Speaker 1: part of the.
Speaker 15: Operation, right, Yeah, And I think it might be a
Speaker 15: sy out. But but here's the thing. It's they're as
Speaker 15: big as they say they are. Then it's got to
Speaker 15: be a state actor or like like a sheriff department
Speaker 15: or law enforcement or you know where I'm going at ye.
Speaker 15: In other words, it's not just you know, Frank and
Speaker 15: Branto going out to radio check and you know, putting
Speaker 15: one together and harass in South Jersey shore, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 15: So it's got to be it's got to be either
Speaker 15: a state agency or or something like that. The other
Speaker 15: thing is, if it was pure military, uh, I would
Speaker 15: I would imagine that they would be more they'd have
Speaker 15: NBC compatible lights in other words, for covert lighting in
Speaker 15: this compatible uh lighting that's that would be on the
Speaker 15: aircraft that that you could you couldn't see it with
Speaker 15: the naked eye, so you need you need to have
Speaker 15: mbgs or something of that kind of nature in order
Speaker 15: to see it.
Speaker 1: So so I would have to imagine that you're even
Speaker 1: though you know as much as I do, unless you
Speaker 1: know something else, you're not telling us that you're just
Speaker 1: from your experience alone, you think that this is probably
Speaker 1: state I.
Speaker 15: So here here's my conspiracy theory. I don't know if
Speaker 15: you'd be open up to it, hopefully optimistic that maybe
Speaker 15: the white Hats are doing it's it's drones and let's
Speaker 15: unless you're going to hang a hell fire from a
Speaker 15: drone and kills so with it. The only other function
Speaker 15: that serves is like surveillance, so you're tracking someone or
Speaker 15: you're collecting signals intelligence from an area, see you know
Speaker 15: what I mean. And so this has been contra over
Speaker 15: a week. So either they're tracking movement on someone or
Speaker 15: a group, or they're trying to collect and this may
Speaker 15: be part of the op to see what the public
Speaker 15: at large is reaction is to the stuff, because God forbid,
Speaker 15: if it's a foreign state actor, first question be going
Speaker 15: would be going to the Pentagon and going, why is
Speaker 15: our sovereign air spaulated by the freaking Iranians? That maybe
Speaker 15: part of the all, all of a sudden, now you've got
Speaker 15: a couple of Iranians in a fucking road, but part
Speaker 15: of my French a couple of Iranians in a rowboat,
Speaker 15: you know, launching these things off the Jersey shore. You
Speaker 15: know that does bid well to the taxpayer?
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And again I think I think that what
Speaker 1: you lay out there just I think reinforces everything else
Speaker 1: that most people are are thinking at this time, because
Speaker 1: it's one thing to have for this to have been
Speaker 1: a for this to have been a forty eight hour
Speaker 1: to seventy two hour mystery. Everybody's trying to figure out
Speaker 1: who the who the the pranksters are that are harassing
Speaker 1: the quiet, sleepy countryside of New Jersey.
Speaker 2: But now here we.
Speaker 1: Are in two weeks and they have rolled out every
Speaker 1: kind of spokesperson from every intelligence head that they can find,
Speaker 1: and the ambiguity with which they speak is really something else?
Speaker 2: Thank you for the call, Browntail. That's something else. Is
Speaker 2: this for real?
Speaker 1: Hold on, somebody just sent me something about the chick
Speaker 1: that slept with one hundred men in one day porn
Speaker 1: star so and so her name is Lily. Test positive
Speaker 1: for chlamydia, gonorrhea, and HSV two after sleeping with one
Speaker 1: hundred men in one day?
Speaker 2: Is this for real? Only?
Speaker 1: The only reason why I ask is because I'm surprised
Speaker 1: that she only has three sexually transmitted diseases. But then again,
Speaker 1: twenty guys probably had chlamydia and it's only going to
Speaker 1: count once.
Speaker 2: God, this is sick. Oh, this is sick. The world
Speaker 2: needs to heal. The rule.
Speaker 1: Really needs to heal. I was so scared. I was
Speaker 1: so scared about STDs and shit when I was single.
Speaker 1: I remember one of the first, one of the first,
Speaker 1: I think, the one of the oldest conversations I remember
Speaker 1: having with Rob. We were at the gym that we
Speaker 1: both worked at, and I was nervous about a you know,
Speaker 1: a yearly st D check years ago, and then I
Speaker 1: told him I don't know, man.
Speaker 2: I just can't. I think I got AIDS.
Speaker 1: I have AIDS, and Rob like one of the first
Speaker 1: conversations I remember having with Rob is him telling me how.
Speaker 2: Almost impossible it is.
Speaker 1: To get AIDS unless you are unless you've got like,
Speaker 1: you know, open up, forget about it. He was just
Speaker 1: calming me down, you don't have aids.
Speaker 2: Stop it. This woman lines up for a hundred people.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what the Hell's I ever worried about
Speaker 1: the way that some people live. I mean, I wasn't
Speaker 1: a saint, but the way that some people live, that's
Speaker 1: just horrible.
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's take it to the call, shall we? Four
Speaker 2: zero four eight zero. You're on the air. Go ahead? Hey,
Speaker 2: Who's this is?
Speaker 19: Luke with from Arizona.
Speaker 2: Hey, Luke, how are you good? How are you doing well?
Speaker 2: Doing well?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: What do you think about tonight?
Speaker 19: Tonight's awesome? Good night? Love to talk to Jay. The
Speaker 19: drone thing, like has anyone in New Jersey ever from
Speaker 19: the drone towards it?
Speaker 1: Oh see, you know that's that's the thing I have
Speaker 1: not heard from anybody. And I'm waiting for somebody to
Speaker 1: say and to bring up something as I don't know.
Speaker 2: Logical as that.
Speaker 1: As I said before, like this, when this got to
Speaker 1: like seventy two hour territory, and now local and state
Speaker 1: authorities are bringing are having their attention to be brought
Speaker 1: to it by citizens constantly. You would think that they
Speaker 1: would at least put a police copter in the air
Speaker 1: to just do the rounds and follow this thing back
Speaker 1: to wherever the hell it's going to go, or to
Speaker 1: at least follow it until it runs out of batteries
Speaker 1: and then recover it to try to get some data
Speaker 1: out of it. You know, it's it's it's nonsensical, is
Speaker 1: how this situation has been treated for the last.
Speaker 2: Couple of weeks.
Speaker 19: Yeah, for sure. It'd definitely be interesting to see what
Speaker 19: would happen if someone got close to it with the drone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would be.
Speaker 1: It would be and and I would hope that somebody
Speaker 1: would be ready to do that. And nothing yet, So
Speaker 1: you're you're thinking on the right track. But apparently they
Speaker 1: can't get their shit together out there in Jersey.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 19: I don't believe anything that the Pentagon's telling us. That's
Speaker 19: all bull crap for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Pentagon seemed to be in like damage control.
Speaker 1: Then again, it could also be just kabuki theater where
Speaker 1: the guy they probably it's not out of the realm
Speaker 1: of possibility for the guy from New Jersey to have
Speaker 1: had that information planted with him from a reliable source.
Speaker 1: He feels like he needs to go and tell the public.
Speaker 1: And then the Pentagon who planted the initial information with
Speaker 1: this guy can go out there and deny it and
Speaker 1: create discord and confusion and mixed messages. And that's how
Speaker 1: you control public perception as well, and you keep building
Speaker 1: up the curate. It's almost like you know that the lottery.
Speaker 1: The lottery goes past a billion dollars and suddenly everybody's
Speaker 1: paying attention to it, you know.
Speaker 19: Yeah, anyway, Yeah, I just called to tell you rock
Speaker 19: for years.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Luke, and I hope to hear from you
Speaker 1: again soon. You all right, take care of there you go.
Speaker 1: There's Luke in Arizona having a good night, having a
Speaker 1: good night indeed. Okay, what else do I have over here?
Speaker 2: Oh? Here's a call Timothy Gordon. Were you listening tonight?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 20: I was. I was in and out.
Speaker 2: Oh nothing much, dude, but nothing much.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's usually we have a at least a little bit
Speaker 1: of time to talk to each other every Christmas season,
Speaker 1: So who knows what comes up? Over the next week
Speaker 1: or so. But uh, I don't know. We only have
Speaker 1: about eight minutes left over here. Do you have anything
Speaker 1: that you wanted to add to tonight's converse? It was
Speaker 1: a lot about a lot about, of course, the the
Speaker 1: the rebunking of Christmas by going against all of the
Speaker 1: popular debunks that pop up around this time, with the
Speaker 1: overlays of paganism and everything else to try to diminish
Speaker 1: the importance and significance of the holidays. So I don't
Speaker 1: know what you usually like to bring up around this
Speaker 1: time of year whenever that topic pops up, but I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear your strongest points.
Speaker 20: Well, maybe we should do a show on some of
Speaker 20: the Nativity symbols. But Jimmy Aikin has a great treatment
Speaker 20: of December the twenty fifth and all of the scientific
Speaker 20: evidence for December the twenty fifth, and why it's not
Speaker 20: just a mythic recreation of old creation narratives or whatever.
Speaker 20: It's a ridiculous story. There's a lot of strong evidence
Speaker 20: even surrounding the shout of that demonstrates that it was
Speaker 20: winter of this either. You know that they're that that
Speaker 20: basically all of the Christian timeline is accurate for both
Speaker 20: the birth and the death of Christ. And I guess
Speaker 20: we don't. We don't have the time to get into
Speaker 20: it all right now. But also I directed you, Frank,
Speaker 20: because you'd asked to an article i'd written seven or
Speaker 20: eight years ago about all of the you know, the
Speaker 20: Shepherd's crook and the shepherds themselves and the Star itself,
Speaker 20: some really really cool anagogical stuff.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 20: That's that's true, both historically and anagogically about the Christmas.
Speaker 20: Uh iconography.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, let me ask you this. I might
Speaker 1: have asked you before, but since we're going to be
Speaker 1: airing it after the show concludes in a few minutes
Speaker 1: on on the website, did you ever watch the Star
Speaker 1: of Bethlehem documentary?
Speaker 20: No, I need to watch it was I was thinking
Speaker 20: of getting it out and showing the family just because
Speaker 20: you brought it up with me on the phone earlier.
Speaker 20: But I need to have you.
Speaker 1: I did watch it. I watched it a couple of times,
Speaker 1: maybe about two years ago. I didn't watch it last year,
Speaker 1: but I remembered early enough this year to say we
Speaker 1: have to have that in rotation for the for the show,
Speaker 1: or in at least after hours, so tonight around nine
Speaker 1: thirty Eastern time, so that'll be about you're in central
Speaker 1: right about about eight thirty on my website is when
Speaker 1: it's going to start.
Speaker 2: And if you've got any time, you get to peek
Speaker 2: in on it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's, you know, from an astronomical standpoint, you
Speaker 1: want to talk about the gears of the clock working
Speaker 1: in perfect chorus to create a incredible turn of events
Speaker 1: at just the right time. I mean, how the stars
Speaker 1: are aligned to tell the very same story you're talking
Speaker 1: about here. I mean, it's just like you know, the
Speaker 1: universe is falling in line. It's an incredible story. You
Speaker 1: should take a listen to it.
Speaker 20: Maybe I will. I've heard that and I know some
Speaker 20: of the facts, and I think Jimmy Aiken with Catholic
Speaker 20: Answers has done a good job telling some at least
Speaker 20: part of the same story. So but I'd love to.
Speaker 20: I'd love to take a look. And it's a great
Speaker 20: service you do this time of the year, Frank, by
Speaker 20: always covering this stuff as objectively as you can objectively,
Speaker 20: it just ends up vindicating the Christian worldview.
Speaker 1: Well, it's always great to have people like you hanging
Speaker 1: out with us whenever we whenever in need and as
Speaker 1: well just in leisure time too.
Speaker 2: But I have it right here.
Speaker 1: You wrote it in twenty eighteen, the most overlooked Images
Speaker 1: of the Nativity. Maybe you come on next week. I'll
Speaker 1: talk to you after the show and we'll get that.
Speaker 1: We'll get that ready to go.
Speaker 20: Awesome, man, Yeah, I just wanted to say, great, great
Speaker 20: work with Jay. I do a Lord of the Rings
Speaker 20: reading group, that same one that I started last Hoobbit day.
Speaker 20: We're just finishing the trilogy. You were originally going to
Speaker 20: be in on that. We were starting September the twenty
Speaker 20: second of twenty three. We're just finishing, doing a chapter
Speaker 20: a week, the complete trilogy. And I had that until
Speaker 20: what would be eight year time, but then I put
Speaker 20: on you and Jay finishing up. And it's good news
Speaker 20: that Alex Jones won is Judgment and all.
Speaker 2: That looks good. You see. That's what I'm talking about, man.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Hobbit and and the three
Speaker 1: they did, the three books, and I was saying, you
Speaker 1: know what those big trilogies, I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's the fact that you're almost two years in and
Speaker 1: you're just about to wrap it all up. I would
Speaker 1: love doing that, but I feel like, how how many
Speaker 1: people have dropped off over the course of over the
Speaker 1: course of time, because that's my biggest fear doing a
Speaker 1: big book or a part of a series, is that
Speaker 1: people will just drop off like flies.
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, they did. It was probably probably sixty to
Speaker 20: seventy percent attrition.
Speaker 2: Right damn.
Speaker 20: And we wound up with like six true blue Troopers
Speaker 20: who saw it all the way through. I don't know
Speaker 20: if you know the structure of the Lord of the
Speaker 20: Rings trilogy, but every book of the three hardback books
Speaker 20: is actually comprised by book you know, book one and
Speaker 20: Book two, and scholarship book three and book four. She
Speaker 20: tires book five and book six in Return of the King,
Speaker 20: and I just said, because I wanted to be done
Speaker 20: by Christmas, I said, all right, for book six, the
Speaker 20: second half of Return to the King, we're going two
Speaker 20: chapters a week, and we wouldn't even be finished by Christy.
Speaker 20: It would be February March before he'd be finished if
Speaker 20: we kept going at the one chapter a week pace.
Speaker 3: So, you know, at least I.
Speaker 2: Thought, I still think about that.
Speaker 1: First the first book club session, you and me doing
Speaker 1: wind Swept House that was over six hundred pages, and
Speaker 1: we were doing about sixty to sometimes.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I felt that. I think it
Speaker 2: went like thirteen weeks.
Speaker 1: I think after that book, I started doing anywhere from
Speaker 1: for a thicker book, anywhere from eighty to one hundred
Speaker 1: pages a week, just because you know, oh it's crazy,
Speaker 1: just because we wanted to get these things done within
Speaker 1: a month so that we can read at least five
Speaker 1: books a year. But so it always makes me wonder
Speaker 1: how long the book is going to be Fahrenheit four
Speaker 1: or five one. And I didn't realize how short it
Speaker 1: was because when I bought it, it was it's a
Speaker 1: thick book. But I realized that half of the book
Speaker 1: was all extra material and interviews with Ray Bradberry and
Speaker 1: everything else like that, It's going to be like a
Speaker 1: forty page read in January.
Speaker 2: But I guess that's good to start a new year,
Speaker 2: you know, something a little bit short.
Speaker 20: Yeah, but yeah, I was getting I kept getting behind
Speaker 20: on wind Sweat. The Great Divorce was I think the
Speaker 20: second one we did together in reading group, and that
Speaker 20: was that was my page we were doing. We were
Speaker 20: doing forty pages per week. I think with that, but.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe maybe you'll join and me and Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to co host obviously, I'll
Speaker 1: just be doing it with Steven, Jonathan and UH in
Speaker 1: March leading up to Easter. But we're doing the the
Speaker 1: sequel to the Robe. We're doing The Big Fishermen now
Speaker 1: in March. You should you should read the Robe real
Speaker 1: quick and then you should get in on the Big
Speaker 1: Fishermen Man.
Speaker 20: Okay, maybe maybe I'll do that.
Speaker 2: You love it, You would love it.
Speaker 1: The Robe was really sensational last year, and it was
Speaker 1: so well timed. You should read along and actually read
Speaker 1: along to the sessions that we archived on the show.
Speaker 1: I'll send you the whole the whole series. That'll be good.
Speaker 20: Okay, you did that with That's a little book, isn't it.
Speaker 2: No, No, it was. It was over.
Speaker 1: It was over three hundred pages, I think, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was so it was magical, dude, it really was awesome.
Speaker 1: There's a there's quite a few people who had like
Speaker 1: they're they were already on the path to reversion or conversion,
Speaker 1: and that reading session was really sensational.
Speaker 2: I got to send it to you.
Speaker 20: Oh, with you and with you and Steven.
Speaker 14: Yeah, oh, that's.
Speaker 2: Dope, man.
Speaker 20: Yeah, maybe maybe I'll try to catch out and read
Speaker 20: it with you guys in March, starting on what ash Wednesday.
Speaker 1: That well last year, last year, I remember the first
Speaker 1: session was right before. It was crazy how it all
Speaker 1: lined up because the first session.
Speaker 2: Ended. I don't know if you know.
Speaker 1: The the the plot. I gotta, I gotta wrap this
Speaker 1: up now. But the plot is you have this Roman
Speaker 1: centurion and you have his slave. He gets in trouble
Speaker 1: in Rome, and he's kind of like punished by being
Speaker 1: sent out to Palestine to be in the Holy Land
Speaker 1: and looking out for one of these you know, these
Speaker 1: kind of like dust bin garrisons out there, and he
Speaker 1: happens to be in the Holy Land for the time
Speaker 1: of the Crucifixion. In fact, he's actually charged with being
Speaker 1: the one the executioners, and and it's it's an incredible
Speaker 1: faith journey there for not only the slave, but the
Speaker 1: centurion and the the the grappling over the road that
Speaker 1: Jesus wore. But the first session that we had, the
Speaker 1: reading ended on Demetrius the slaves observing of Jesus coming
Speaker 1: into Jerusalem on the donkey, on on on Palm Sunday
Speaker 1: and We read it the day after Palm Sunday and
Speaker 1: it just felt so everything out of line for that book.
Speaker 1: It was really awesome, and I think that you'll fly
Speaker 1: through it because I know Stephen and his wife. His
Speaker 1: wife jumped on for it too because she was so
Speaker 1: curious and she finished the book before all of us.
Speaker 2: So I think you're gonna love it.
Speaker 20: Say say, yeah, she's a great lady. Yeah yeah, maybe
Speaker 20: I'll do that.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 20: Well, I know you got to go, but let's do
Speaker 20: the Hidden Symbols of the Civity next week sometime, and
Speaker 20: always looking for a collab with you.
Speaker 3: Frank.
Speaker 1: All right, brother, I'll talk to you a little bit.
Speaker 1: Have a great night. There you go, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Even a call from Timothy Gordon. All right, it's nine
Speaker 1: o'clock on the dot. It's almost like I planned it
Speaker 1: that way. So I'll see you guys at some point tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I'll go live.
Speaker 1: I should be able to get home at some point
Speaker 1: and go live from Studio B at least just for
Speaker 1: an hour and do some calls. There will be no
Speaker 1: seven o'clock show though, because we're taking Aurora to Christmas Castle,
Speaker 1: and hopefully I can be live from there around broadcast
Speaker 1: time on my phone, but if there is not enough
Speaker 1: service I will be taking a lot of footage again
Speaker 1: that we can analyze with my family on December twenty third,
Speaker 1: when we have that family broadcast. So no show tomorrow
Speaker 1: and at least in the form that you know it,
Speaker 1: and I'll see you on Friday night, seven o'clock right here,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Let me see make sure that
Speaker 1: nobody else has left any super chats. I didn't see,
Speaker 1: Gino says always love when my two favorites get together.
Speaker 1: Sorry I couldn't see it live. Love to you and
Speaker 1: the family of Francis look forward to seeing this show tomorrow. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy and I can't wait to hear what
Speaker 1: you think because I love doing tonight broadcast. It was fun,
Speaker 1: Paul says, Hey, Frank regarding the drones mothership, it could
Speaker 1: be a club k system in a cargo ship off
Speaker 1: the coast. I remember Project Pelican, the Kenyan handed off
Speaker 1: control of some of our ports to shady outfit. Thanks always,
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Frankly, there's a theory. There's a theory, But
Speaker 1: regardless of what kind of a cargo ship it is,
Speaker 1: if it's seafaring or if it's something else, there's gotta
Speaker 1: be a way to follow this thing back to it's
Speaker 1: doc It's got to be something, all right. The Sentinel says.
Speaker 1: The drone distraction has a purpose, just like the big
Speaker 1: white balloons did last year, like there isn't enough other
Speaker 1: problems to worry about Syria, Ukraine, Israel, et cetera. And
Speaker 1: it gets the Daniel Penny win out of the headlines.
Speaker 1: January twentieth, twenty twenty five can't come quick enough. I'm
Speaker 1: with you on that one, Sentinel, and thank you all
Speaker 1: so much for watching. I'll see you tomorrow at some point.
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Speaker 1: guys who may have missed it, here's what you have.
Speaker 1: And I really think that you should treat yourself tonight.
Speaker 1: We have to open up suspicious observers, dark comets, magnetic polls, shifts,
Speaker 1: solar flares. That's only a couple of minutes for long report.
Speaker 1: Then you have speak life. This is about a twenty
Speaker 1: five minute long video. Bill Maher and Stephen Fry debunked
Speaker 1: over Christian Christmas myths. That's about twenty five minutes long,
Speaker 1: and that'll bring you right to about nine thirty nine
Speaker 1: thirty five, that is when Rick Larsen's The Star of
Speaker 1: Bethlehem begins, and that'll be about an hour or so
Speaker 1: and it is worth it. Sit back, relax and just
Speaker 1: take it in all right. I'll be watching with you.
Speaker 1: I'll jump into the chat from time to time. Have
Speaker 1: a great night, ladies and gentlemen. Goodbye. Of course, of.
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Speaker 2: Will you shut up, you