WEBVTT 1 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:58.960 Good evening, everybody. I hope you're having a good night. 2 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:05.480 It's definitely an honor of mind to be here with 3 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:12.079 you on this Wednesday, December eleventh, twenty twenty four. Make 4 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:15.719 yourself at home, pour yourself a cup of something hot 5 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:21.200 or cold. It's up to you. But it's a it's 6 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:23.920 a pretty rainy day over here. It's not a white 7 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.480 Christmas yet. I wonderful we'll have one of those again 8 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:32.200 sometime soon. It'd be really, really nothing debilitating, but just 9 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:32.760 to add. 10 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:35.120 A little bit of a glow, a. 11 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:37.840 Layer of something on top of all the Christmas lights, 12 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:43.000 so you get that nice sub snow level, surface level glow. 13 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:44.439 You know that what I'm talking about. 14 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:47.040 I love that if we can get a well timed 15 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:50.879 for the actual holiday, something again not debilitating, so people 16 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:52.439 can still get in their cars and get to their 17 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:56.040 destinations safely. But you know, what do you want? You 18 00:01:56.079 --> 00:02:02.760 can't have everything. You can't have everything. As the barber, 19 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:06.719 the Russian barber told me when I was fifteen, and 20 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.759 he said that my hair was thinning, said, what are 21 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:14.479 you talking about? He saw something that I didn't. I 22 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:16.319 should have listened to him instead, I hated him. 23 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:16.960 What I was gonna do. 24 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.319 Even if I did listen to him, get get what 25 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.520 go start with Rogaine. At least I managed to get 26 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:26.719 through college without it being noticeable. And then it was well, 27 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:28.879 I told the story before the hell we're talking about 28 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:32.400 snow on Christmas. Now it's back to hair anyway. I 29 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:36.280 like shaving my head, so go to hell. So here's 30 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:42.840 what I have for you tonight. Jay Dyer is returning 31 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:45.759 to talk a little bit about Christmas. You know, every 32 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:49.080 year around this time, the Marxist d bonkers out there. 33 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:52.319 They set out to pick apart the significance of the 34 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:56.520 Christmas story and tradition and everything and reduce it to 35 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:00.439 a short list of recycled myths from all over the place. 36 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:03.960 And you know, some of it we've addressed over the 37 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:07.800 years other times, no matter how much they have been 38 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:14.439 you know, rebunked, they just keep coming back. And I'm 39 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:19.319 more of a curious guy who has my biases and 40 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:23.159 my prejudices and where I lean. I leave those out 41 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:25.280 there for everybody to see. But at the same time, 42 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:27.400 I ask questions and I take the answers that I 43 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:31.360 get back, and from there we form better questions or 44 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:32.479 better understandings. 45 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:34.759 That's all it's about and tonight. 46 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.960 I have more tonight because this is the time of year, 47 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:41.039 around the eleventh day of December. Yeah, we're getting there, 48 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:44.159 getting closer and closer. Fourteen days out. This is when 49 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:47.000 we're going to see it all simmer all the subversive 50 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:49.800 stuff starts simmering. Many people who are just living their 51 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:52.840 lives outside of the interwebs are just going about their 52 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.639 business and they're counting down the days in the calendar, 53 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.439 not only to Christmas but to the New Year, and 54 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:02.680 they're not really worried about anything else. But in the 55 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:07.039 Tavistock cesspool that is the Internet, there's a whole lot 56 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:10.039 of shit going on. And the war continues to rage, 57 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.080 so and every day there's new factions of that war too. 58 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:13.840 It's crazy. 59 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:16.079 I'll talk about that in a little bit, but that's 60 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:18.079 all I have to say. In the meantime, you still 61 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:21.560 have plenty of time to go and make gift baskets 62 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:23.680 for all of your friends, stuff stockings for all of 63 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:26.040 your friends. With our affiliates. You can go to quite 64 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.439 frankly TV to the affiliates page. There's Blue Monster Prep. 65 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.480 Get people gift certificates for prepping so they can go 66 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:36.959 out and get water filtration and you know, two way radios, food, 67 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:40.720 whatever it is, that's all there. Hell, we just talked 68 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.480 with Robin McCutcheon about the economy and what the new 69 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.480 American dollar may look like. Even if it is if 70 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:50.000 we're talking about something that can be used on a 71 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:53.160 digital slash crypto level, but it's backed by an asset 72 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:58.040 like gold, gold and silver can be gotten on quite 73 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.560 frankly dot gold. Our good buddy, Tony are I actually 74 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:02.800 have to get on the phone with him. He said 75 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:06.319 he has some Christmas prints for the one ou silver 76 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:10.040 rounds that's here. Just give him out to everybody who 77 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.199 deserves a gift in my family. In fact, tonight in 78 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:14.800 the second half, I'm gonna be giving out this last 79 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.720 round I have laying out over here, the silver. Who 80 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:20.879 knows which one of you gets that one? And I'll 81 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.079 even throw in one of the even more valuable quite 82 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:30.560 frankly wooden nickel. That's it, the wooden nickel. That's good 83 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:33.360 for us, good for you if you win it. But 84 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:37.360 there's more. There's there's merchandise, there is there's tons. You 85 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:39.959 can even get somebody as general sponsorship to the show. 86 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:43.879 So thank you all for that tonight the after hours, 87 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:45.879 since we are going to be doing a lot about 88 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.759 Christmas origin stories and all that stuff and proofs and 89 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:54.959 all that. After hours, we have that really awesome documentary 90 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:56.879 by Rick Larson, who I've been trying to get on 91 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:59.000 the show, but maybe you have to start trying in 92 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:02.000 July about the Star of Bethlehem. 93 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:04.879 The Star of Bethlehem is going to be playing. 94 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:07.399 If we get off the air at nine o'clock, we'll 95 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:09.519 have about a half hour buffer of some other really 96 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:14.040 cool stuff that'll be there after the show on quite 97 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:17.480 frankly dot TV, and then the Star of Bethlehem full 98 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.639 documentary will start at nine thirty. It's a little bit 99 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:22.560 over an hour, but you got to you gotta, you 100 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:24.199 gotta listen to this and a lot of that stuff. 101 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:27.879 I realized we got in a great conversation with Timothy 102 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.680 Alberino about the Star of Bethlehem and what was going 103 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:36.920 on astronomically in the sky about two thousand and twenty 104 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:39.560 years ago or whenever the hell it was. 105 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.519 What do people say that Jesus was born four years 106 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:48.079 before Christ was born? I never get that. I thought 107 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:48.720 that year. 108 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:51.560 Zero was year zero, Like, no, actually he was born 109 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:58.360 in uh three BC. Wow, jeez, that's really early to 110 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:02.439 talk about an early due date. You know, Aurora showed 111 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:06.399 up three years three days before her due date. You know, 112 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:08.519 she's supposed to be on the seventeenth of September, showed 113 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:09.560 up on the fourteenth. 114 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:15.800 Jesus showed up three years early. I never got it. 115 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.399 But what the hell? Who am I to question? 116 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:19.720 Why? 117 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:21.120 All right? 118 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:26.079 So, so yeah, I think that's all I have for 119 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.360 you right now in the second half of the show, 120 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:30.759 aside from taking your calls and all the responses to 121 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:33.160 I'm sure we're going to get with jayder On with us. 122 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:35.920 We have to get into we must get into the 123 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:41.720 UFO thing in in Jersey. It has reached incredibly ridiculous 124 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:47.839 levels where now there are conflicting reports and denials from 125 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:51.800 both Congressmen and then the Pentagon about whether or not 126 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:58.360 a the UFO slash drones are Iranian, but that there 127 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:03.800 is a mothership, mother ship off the east coast of 128 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:07.240 the United States somewhere that we haven't seen and somehow 129 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.240 can't find a way to deal with the Iranians. 130 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:15.079 They've crossed the Atlantic and they're. 131 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:18.120 Just parked out there, and we just so we have 132 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:21.319 to get around to that tomorrow. There may be an 133 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:24.800 impromptu stream from my phone at some point on YouTube, 134 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:30.439 but the seven o'clock show is canceled tomorrow. I got 135 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:31.879 to get over here. We have to do some more 136 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:34.080 painting in here. There's more electrical work that I have 137 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:37.159 to do, some other things we're swapping out, and I 138 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:40.360 want that done before the weekend. Very important that I 139 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.320 do that before the weekend. So I'll be here early 140 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:47.559 tomorrow painting and getting other things done, and then maybe 141 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:51.360 sometime this afternoon. That afternoon I will do a stream. 142 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.320 Perhaps I'll go cross go live across all the platforms, 143 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:57.600 but I will not be live at seven. Maybe I 144 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:01.120 will rerun it at seven on quite frankly TV. But 145 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.360 tomorrow's gonna be a little bit different because there's a 146 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:05.240 lot of a lot of things we've got to do 147 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:07.120 over here. And I think that's all the end of 148 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.480 my announcements. Into the grab bag. We go for a 149 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:12.159 couple of seconds that we have left. It's seven oh seven. 150 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:14.759 Jay is coming on in about eight minutes, so that 151 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:17.279 means I got about five for moving and shaking. 152 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:24.159 First one is from where the hell is this? I 153 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:24.519 don't know? 154 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:28.919 Study finds, Oh, it's from study fines for some reason, 155 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:34.399 it's not showing up on this. It's not showing ap 156 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:36.559 use well, I can't find it. 157 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:40.960 Chris Milori. Study finds silent epidemic. You want to know 158 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.639 what it is. It's not COVID, it's herpes. 159 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.879 Eight hundred and forty six million people are infected with 160 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:48.799 genital herpes? 161 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:57.679 Are you one of them? Anyway? In Geneva? 162 00:09:57.799 --> 00:09:59.720 Did you know that there has been a hidden epidemic 163 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:02.919 sweeping the world. A new study finds nearly a billion 164 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:06.759 people are dealing with a painful and socially traumatizing infection 165 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.960 that has no cure. More than one in five people 166 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.320 between the ages of fifteen and forty nine are living 167 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:17.120 with genital herpes, the staggering statistic that reveals a global 168 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:21.879 health challenge largely shrouded in silence and stigma. These shocking findings, 169 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:25.080 revealed by the World Health Organization, exposed the widespread nature 170 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:28.960 of this common sexually transmitted infection, with researchers calling for 171 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:33.159 urgent action. The numbers are eye opening. Approximately eight hundred 172 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.720 and forty six million people worldwide carried genital herpes with 173 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:43.000 a new infection happening every second, every second, translating to 174 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.600 forty two million new cases annually. It's probably that porn 175 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.200 star girl that just slept with one hundred people in 176 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:56.039 twenty four hours. What a dark path that chick is on. 177 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.320 I saw a two minute clip of the documentary that 178 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:03.919 just came out, and she's all traumatized afterwards, crying this 179 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:04.600 that she's feeling. 180 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:05.679 This feels like a robot. 181 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.159 She just screwed one hundred people in twenty four hours, 182 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:13.639 thinking Okay, well that would be rock bottom for a 183 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:17.720 lot of people. Maybe this actually changes something for her. 184 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:20.960 And then the next day she announces that she's going 185 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:24.200 to try to set the world record in spring of 186 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:26.639 twenty twenty five where she bangs a thousand people in 187 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:27.000 a day. 188 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:28.919 I just. 189 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:34.480 She might be the sole source of herpes. She might be, 190 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:38.000 but that's one thing for you. I hope that went 191 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:41.159 over well with the family. All right, now, let's go 192 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:47.039 to the next one. SFGate dot Com SF Tech CEOs 193 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:52.559 billboards are dystopian. That's how he wants it over here 194 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.519 in San Francisco, Thursday afternoon, in San Francisco, on one 195 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.519 side of Mission Street, hotel workers chanted and banged on 196 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.240 a drum outside of the Marriotte Marquee, part of a 197 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:06.399 month's long strike for higher wages and more jobs. On 198 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:12.879 the other, a tech company billboard proclaims stop hiring humans. 199 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:18.279 Various versions of the provocative advertisements are emblazing across the 200 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:21.240 city on rotating screen displays, on bus shelters, and on 201 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:25.200 classic vinyl billboards on polls and buildings plugging the San 202 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:30.679 Francisco startup Artisan. SF Gates spoke with Artisan's CEO about 203 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:33.759 the campaign. The company has just thirty employees and is 204 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:36.720 less than two years old. It's only existing product. It's 205 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.679 an artificial intelligence sales agent called Artisan, built to automate 206 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:43.200 the work of finding and messaging potential customers. 207 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:44.919 It's a classic. 208 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:47.960 AI age idea, one of many such tools flooding the 209 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:50.480 tech world. Oh maybe I should look into that. I 210 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.399 definitely would like to bring on two main business sponsors 211 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:56.159 into twenty twenty five. In fact, I'll just tell the 212 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:01.159 audience that if you've got a badass business, American Maid, 213 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:04.799 whatever the hell you are, and you need a national audience, 214 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:08.720 get in touch with me. Let's see. But the billboards 215 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.480 in San Francisco are less routine. Bleak might be a 216 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:14.159 better word or mean spirited in a city laden with 217 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:17.919 jargoning advertisements, These are easy to understand. Most feature a 218 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:21.519 dark haired, purple air, purple eyed persona and a few 219 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:25.279 rows of texts. Some critique humans and remote work, artisans 220 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:29.120 won't complain about work life balance, and artisans zoom cameras 221 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:32.720 will never be not working today. Others are more direct, 222 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:36.519 higher artisans not humans. Several include the line the era 223 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:42.320 of AI employees is here. Oh, I believe them, I 224 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:47.720 believe them, and one hell of a you know, juxtaposition 225 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:51.120 there with the workers strike across the whole. I don't 226 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:53.600 know how you can get AI to take care of 227 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:56.879 a hotel. I guess you can bring I guess robots 228 00:13:56.919 --> 00:14:01.120 can can go, you know, deliver fo to people's doors. 229 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:09.720 But that's that's interesting, and I guess not unexpected. Israel divorce. 230 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:18.320 Israel destroys Syrian naval assets in Latakia, if that's how 231 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.559 you say it, After destroying much of the Syrian air 232 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.080 force and its air defenses and its largest air op ever, 233 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:27.000 congrats to the revolutionaries who helped me. This is from 234 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:32.759 Max Blumenthal, So you know, I guess there's more of 235 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.279 your Israeli buffer zone stuff. Israel just took out whatever 236 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:40.240 navy and air force Syria had, so Assad is suddenly gone. 237 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:45.879 In blitzkrieg fashion. The head choppers have taken over the 238 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:49.639 government and Israel is now newtering the country while taking 239 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:53.279 over new territory in order to you know, secure its 240 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.919 own interests. As I said before, we'll see how many 241 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:59.080 buffer zones are claimed over the next couple of years. 242 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:01.440 I'd also like to se happy birthday to Gina from 243 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:04.559 South Carolina. I missed it yesterday. She turned fifty eight. 244 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:09.519 She told me I didn't ask. She's proud of her age, okay, 245 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:11.759 and she's a great friend of the show. And she's 246 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:15.039 in great shape too, So you go, girl. I hope 247 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:16.759 you had a wonderful one, and I'm sorry for the 248 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:20.159 belated wishes. Let's get back to the show right after this. 249 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:25.039 Be ready, ladies and gentlemen, and if you can help me, 250 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:27.279 send this show out to people who've never seen her before, 251 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:29.559 share it far and wide, whether you're watching live or 252 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:30.159 on demand. 253 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:30.919 Be right back. 254 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.360 Do you let one ant stand up to us, then 255 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:52.200 they all might stand up. Those puny little ants outnumber 256 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:55.320 us one hundred to one. And if they ever figure 257 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:59.120 that out there goes our way of life. It's not 258 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:03.279 about food, It's about keeping those ants in line. 259 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:05.639 That's why we're going back. 260 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:09.840 Does anybody else want to stay? 261 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.240 Let's ride. 262 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:54.679 Say I'm mister green Christmas, mister sun, it's a green 263 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:55.320 one over here. 264 00:16:55.559 --> 00:17:02.279 Mister heat blister, I'm mister hundred and oh you gotta 265 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:06.880 love the heat miser song? Or I touch Hey, who 266 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.319 do you like better? Are you a heat miser guy 267 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.680 or are you a snow miser guy. I think I 268 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:16.680 always liked snow miser better, only because he just didn't 269 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:20.440 get frazzled that much. He was more of a joker 270 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.519 and heat miser was a little bit more of a spaz. 271 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:27.519 And so I like the whole idea of being able 272 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:30.400 to throw a snowball and not have it kill somebody, 273 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:34.319 whereas heat miser is just like dealing with lava all day. 274 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:35.319 You know. 275 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:38.279 It's just like I know, I guess you can kill 276 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:41.759 somebody with an icicle, but it just seemed a little 277 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.559 bit snow Miser touches something and it bursts into a 278 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:49.319 cloud of snowflakes, and then heat miser comes in. It 279 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:53.880 melts down into molten le Melton metal that just seemed 280 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:58.319 very inconvenient, almost like having the the Midas touched there, 281 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:00.839 which as we all know, is not a convenience at all. 282 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:04.119 All right, So you let me know, heat miser or 283 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:10.359 snow miser. If you want to wage war, probably heat miser. 284 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:20.000 You'll kill everybody. So depending on what you what you 285 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:23.319 want to do, what your intentions are, all right, So 286 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:25.240 this is what we have this time of year. And 287 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.119 I love listening to people debate. I love learning because 288 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:32.640 I learned by listening to conversations a lot more than 289 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.160 anything else. I do a fair amount of reading, been 290 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:37.119 reading a lot more of late, especially since we. 291 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:38.720 Ramped up the. 292 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:42.319 Book club, and we've been doing that for three years. 293 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:47.039 In fact, our guest tonight is he's a multiple time 294 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:49.599 co host on the Quite Frankly book Club, Jay Dyer. 295 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:51.680 And it's this time of year where most of us 296 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.480 are lost in the bustle of the season, reflecting on 297 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:57.640 a year of a year's past. But we are still 298 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:01.240 we're still in the middle of a war, and that's 299 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:03.680 what we have to we get reminded of all the time. 300 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:07.839 It's a cultural war. It's taking place mostly in digital, 301 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:13.799 digital fields, and we know what to expect everywhere we go. 302 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:16.519 Whenever we especially when we reach a designated time for 303 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:19.640 Thanksgiving in this country or anywhere, we are offered up 304 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:23.240 reason after reason to reject the old culture, the old 305 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:27.119 way of doing things, patriotic reasons for celebrating and remembering 306 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.720 the past, and our wanted heroes and all that stuff. 307 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:35.839 We're offered up something else. In replacement of that, we 308 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:38.640 embrace something a little bit more I don't know. They 309 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:41.079 want us to replace everything with something a little bit 310 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:43.759 more discordant, much like modern art. 311 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:45.200 From Fourth of July. 312 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.920 To Thanksgiving, we are fed a steady diet of whiny, 313 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.279 subversive nonsense to disengage us from tradition. That happens a lot, 314 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:55.440 and of course the same is done for Christmas and 315 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:58.519 Easter alike. Now, right now, we're in the middle of Advent, 316 00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:01.880 So there's a cacophony online that is building, and it's 317 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:07.119 comprised of new atheists and neopagans. One side wants to 318 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:11.799 antagonize Christians into despondency with claims that Christmas is a 319 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:16.039 meaningless amalgamation of silly pagan traditions, and the other side, well, 320 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:19.319 are neopagans, so they're angry, I guess because they want 321 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:22.640 to be taken seriously. So it's just there's a lot 322 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.200 of stuff going on, and tonight we'll get into some 323 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:27.759 of those points of contention that we see year in 324 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:31.559 year out with a friend of ours, Jay Dyer Jaysanalysis 325 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:32.000 dot Com. 326 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:36.319 He's back with us tonight, Jay. How you doing? Hey? 327 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:37.759 What's that? Mon'm done great? How are you? 328 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:38.799 Oh? I'm doing all right. 329 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:40.880 What do you usually do this time of year to 330 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:43.440 get ready for the big day? You have a lot 331 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.400 of traditions to you and the wife go to certain places, 332 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:48.960 you like, do certain things, get in the mood. 333 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:49.480 What do you do? 334 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:55.319 I mean, for the Orthodox Church, Christmas is huge, so 335 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:59.240 like we have really long services, there's a lot of services. 336 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:03.319 It's a huge affair. It's only rivaled by Easter, so 337 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:09.160 you know, there's a lot going on. So mainly it's 338 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:11.039 just kind of focused around that kind of stuff. But 339 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:15.319 my personal experiences with my wife, I mean, we just 340 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:17.799 kind of do the standard stuff everybody does with family. 341 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.160 Well, I know you guys are also really big into 342 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:26.359 I've watched so many film breakdowns between you and your wife, 343 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.000 so I got to imagine that you guys have at 344 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:31.559 least a top five Christmas movies that you go to 345 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.079 if you're gonna sit down and watch a Christmas movie 346 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:35.559 that you know is always going to hit the spot 347 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:35.799 for you. 348 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:37.000 What is it Jingle all the Way? 349 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:40.920 Actually, yeah, that's one of our favorite of the worst 350 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:42.200 Christmas movies. 351 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:42.880 Absolutely. 352 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:46.799 There's a couple of comedies that are kind of funny, 353 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:50.039 just Friends, It's kind of funny. But we actually kind 354 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:52.680 of like Lord of the Rings around this time of 355 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:54.920 year because I remember it seems like Lord of the 356 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.359 Rings came out in the theaters back in the day, you know, 357 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.759 two thousand and three or so, right around Christmas time, 358 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:05.039 So for me, it's kind of a Christmas movie. 359 00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:07.880 Yeah. So those are some of our favorites. 360 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.160 But i'd have to think about what I mean, there's 361 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:12.119 not actually that many good Christmas movies. 362 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:15.759 A lot of them are pretty much junk. But yeah, 363 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:16.480 Lord of the Rings. 364 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:19.039 I guess, well, if I were given a little bit 365 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:20.839 of time to make a list, I'd have to say 366 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:24.920 that there's there's more good Christmas films than there are Well, 367 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.000 there's a lot of bad. There's just so many, so 368 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:30.759 just by laws of probability, many of them are gonna 369 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:35.319 be bad. But just like I can't stand most Christmas songs, 370 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:37.319 but that means that doesn't mean that there aren't hundreds 371 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:38.880 that I love anyway. 372 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:40.319 You know another one. 373 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:42.759 That's not necessarily a Christmas film I always watch around 374 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:45.160 this time. You and I did the book The Godfather. 375 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:47.240 I always end up watching around this time of year. 376 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:50.319 That's a good point, Yeah, I kind of use. 377 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:52.079 I mean, I know this is kind of nerdy, but 378 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:54.880 I like the original Star Wars, and for me, that's 379 00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:58.319 kind of a Christmas time movie. I guess I grew 380 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:00.799 up playing so many Star Wars video games around the 381 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.720 time of Christmas, because if you play video games, you 382 00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:05.640 get a video game around Christmas time, you're going to 383 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:08.160 be playing it. So that's also kind of burned into 384 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:10.440 my mind as a Christmas era movie. 385 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:13.400 Shadow Shadows of the Empire on n sixty four. 386 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:16.720 Oh yeah, yeah, I played the crap out of that one. 387 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:18.799 I had it on PC though, but it was a 388 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:22.880 lot of fun. Rogue Squadron, like all of those like 389 00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:25.000 sixty four. 390 00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:27.359 Era games, were a blast for Christmas time. 391 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:29.839 There's also like some really good I'm good and super 392 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:32.160 nerdy here, but there was some really good PlayStation two 393 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:35.880 Lord of the Rings games too that I remember playing 394 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:37.519 the crop out of It Christmas. 395 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:38.519 I remember that. 396 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:41.559 And you know, I bought a PlayStation five because I 397 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:44.799 like having PlayStations in the house just as as an 398 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:49.039 entertainment system. Did we have one too, But I was 399 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:51.000 really upset when I opened it up in the box, 400 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:54.440 I realized it did not have a drive input. 401 00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:56.359 I had to get a separate day Oh. 402 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:57.720 I bought the Yeah, I made sure to buy the 403 00:23:57.759 --> 00:23:58.599 one was the disc. 404 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:00.359 I said, eightiots, damn. 405 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.519 So like now I have this separate DVD player that 406 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:05.759 I plug in the HDMI three port. 407 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:06.759 I feel like an idiot. 408 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:10.680 Anyway, thirty years that's what I really want to say, 409 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.359 thirty years of PlayStation I can't believe that it's been 410 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:17.599 thirty years since the first one came out. But anyhow, 411 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:20.039 the real reason I have you here tonight is because 412 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:22.839 we're in the middle of it all and I want 413 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:24.880 to talk about some of the things, the claims that 414 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:27.599 pop up this time of year, whether it's by you know, 415 00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:32.759 recycled videos of Bill Maher and the religulous movie he 416 00:24:32.799 --> 00:24:36.720 did years ago, or that very famously circulating video of 417 00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:42.160 Stephen Frye going into the mithross elements of you know, 418 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:47.880 where there is commonality or synchronicity between Christmas and everything else. 419 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.160 And it's all really just just to make sure that 420 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:54.160 everybody who wants to believe in a religion and believe 421 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:57.440 that it is true is constantly pelted with the idea 422 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:00.759 of plurality. And what I want to you here is, 423 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.160 here's the one example I've got. And this is not 424 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:05.480 from a this is not from an atheist. This is, 425 00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:09.359 I believe, from a neo pagan type said Christmas has 426 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:14.880 pagan roots. Europeans celebrated Yule, Midsummer, a Halloween, and Easter religiously. 427 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.079 Eleven hundred to fourteen hundred years of dressing it up 428 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:22.559 as biblical does not change its root. So where would 429 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:24.799 you Where do you start with this jay? Because I'll 430 00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:27.920 tell you one thing. I understand that there there is 431 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:30.680 a level of appropriation here. A couple of years ago, 432 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:34.519 me and Timothy Gordon we talked about the Tannenbaum in particular, 433 00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:37.440 we did a show on Saint Boniface and his mission 434 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:40.480 work in northern Europe and cutting down the thunder Oak 435 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:43.039 of Thor. So I understand that there is at least 436 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:47.200 in that instance, you have an appropriation of pagan symbols 437 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:50.799 via conquest, just like a hunter would turn game into 438 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:54.000 a fluffy hat or a coat and wear it as 439 00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:57.200 a symbol of something that they overcame. But what about 440 00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.359 things like the Yule? And where do you start with this? 441 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.759 Unpacking it all? 442 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.759 Right, So there's a lot of different things we should say. 443 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:07.079 The first thing I would say is that you know, 444 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.680 Christmas actually comes out of the Orthodox East, and the 445 00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:14.599 dating for that is done in its earliest stage by 446 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.240 some of the really early Eastern Church fathers, and the 447 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:20.359 way they derived that date, if you go and actually 448 00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.279 read some of these church fathers in the second and 449 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.079 third century, has nothing to do whatsoever with soul invictus, 450 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.599 has nothing to do with anything that the Roman Empire 451 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:29.039 was doing. 452 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.440 In fact, it was all derived from the first chapter. 453 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:35.559 Of the Book of Luke. And I sent you a 454 00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:40.319 great article by an Orthodox priest. His name's father Jeff Harvey, 455 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.200 and it's a good shepherd Australia Orthodox Church. He has 456 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:46.000 a really good article that I always share around the 457 00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:49.359 time of the year that explains the basics of the 458 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.599 Christian dating of Christmas and what has really absolutely nothing 459 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:55.599 to do with the pagan dating. 460 00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:56.839 I'll just make it really quick. 461 00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.839 Basically, in the first chapter of Luke we can derive 462 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:05.640 when Zachariah was doing his priestly duties during Yom Kipor. 463 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:09.759 So this is mentioned that in Luke one Zachariah is 464 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.559 doing his priestly duties. We know that that's the time 465 00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:15.400 of the offering of incense and whatnot on the day 466 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:18.000 of Yom Kippor. This is Luke one eight through eleven, 467 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.119 and that then tells us the date roughly at which 468 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.400 Christians were able to calculate the birth of John the Baptist, 469 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:28.480 or what we call in the East John the Forerunner, 470 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:32.200 as being born September twenty third if you read that chapter, 471 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.079 this is when the announcement of the birth John the 472 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:37.359 Baptist is so two hundred and seventy days plus that 473 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:42.000 equals June twenty fourth. The observation, then of the annunciation 474 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.559 of Christ's birth is in six months after John the 475 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.880 Baptist conception, and this is mentioned in Luke one twenty 476 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:49.880 six to twenty seven. So in the sixth month of 477 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:53.720 Elizabeth's pregnancy, Gabriel is sent from God to a city 478 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.079 Galiley named Nazareth to a virgin whose name is Joseph 479 00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:00.960 the House of David, and the virgin's name was Mary. 480 00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:04.240 So calculating September twenty third adding six months brings us 481 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:06.720 to March twenty fifth, So March twenty fifth then for 482 00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:10.680 annunciation to Mary nine months that after March twenty fifth 483 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.119 gets us to December twenty fifth. The other thing I 484 00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:19.920 would note is that Sol and Victus, as he points out, 485 00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:24.400 was established according to the scholar Manfred Klaus, by the 486 00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:28.720 Emperor Aurelian in two seventy four AD, so it is 487 00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.599 December twenty fourth, But this is actually fifty years after 488 00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:36.680 the early church father Sextus Julius Africanus mentions the December 489 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:39.279 twenty first. So the December twenty five date is mentioned 490 00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.920 by the church fathers fifty years before the establishment of 491 00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:46.400 Soul Invictus and then sat Aroinais and against Heresies talks 492 00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:50.200 about March twenty fifth being so he's one eighty a d. 493 00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:52.759 He wrote a very famous so big fat Christian theology 494 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.240 book in one eighty and he mentions that being dated 495 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.240 this way as well, So we know the early Christian 496 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:02.759 Church was really not concerned with what the pagan mysteries 497 00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.279 were up to. But so often people that repeat like 498 00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:08.480 the Zeitgeist sort of conspiracy stuff is really low tier. 499 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.680 They don't really have any idea about like Christian theology 500 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.359 or what's actually derived from the Book of Luke. And 501 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:21.279 just like with Christmas in the Orthodox Church, what's called 502 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:24.559 Easter is actually called Pasca. That's just the Greek word 503 00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:28.240 for Passover, and so it's derived from the Jewish calendar 504 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:31.079 and the fulfillments of those Jewish feasts in the Christian 505 00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:34.279 ceremonies and the establishment of the Church in the first 506 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:39.400 and second century. Thus, just with Christmas, so also Easter 507 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.359 has nothing to do with pagan rites or ceremonies. So 508 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:46.480 the fact that centuries later, in say six seven hundred 509 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.519 in the West, when they you have conversion of Germanic tribes, 510 00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:52.039 the fact that they had some date that they celebrated, 511 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.079 or that druid celebrated on the same date is really 512 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:59.519 has nothing to do with the celebrations that are decided 513 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.160 upon by the Christian Church in the early days, which 514 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.559 relates to they're not totally aligned with the Jewish calendar, 515 00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:08.799 but they relate to it, and thus the fulfillment of 516 00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:12.920 the Jewish calendar in the revelations and the dates that 517 00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:18.119 Jesus fulfills according to the New Church, the New Testament fulfillment. 518 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:19.839 You know the other thing there too. 519 00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:20.000 I I. 520 00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:25.119 It's all very interesting because the one thing that people 521 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.480 will say, even without blinking, is that, you know, Jesus 522 00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.759 wasn't born in December, right, he was born in June. 523 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.559 It's just a knee jerk thing that people who like 524 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.400 to pull a you know, an actually on you say, 525 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:39.960 you know he was actually born in June. And you know, 526 00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:43.039 I usually just say, oh, okay, because what am I 527 00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.799 supposed to do? And what When you ask, well, how 528 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.759 do you come to that conclusion? Usually they'll say, well, 529 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.039 because of the Roman census that was around the time 530 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.240 in the Roman sense, and they try to line it 531 00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:58.079 up with the census. Other people have tried to say that, 532 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:02.359 you know, they get wrong. And where we are latitudely 533 00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:05.920 and longitudely as far as that whole that whole part 534 00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:09.480 of the world would have been December, would it have 535 00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:11.519 been cold, would it still have been a harvest with 536 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:13.839 the shepherds have been out doing their thing if it 537 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:15.880 was in the middle of the winter, Thinking that they 538 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.279 were living in New York or something like that. But 539 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.160 that's where a lot of people will will come at 540 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.480 you with almost like I did you know a bar 541 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:27.880 trivia thing? When was Jesus born? They'll just say June? 542 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:29.759 So where do where does that? 543 00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:30.000 That? 544 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.640 That comes from just a misunderstanding of or somewhere wrong 545 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.039 that timeline because you stopped in June for a second. There, 546 00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:38.480 it's just misunderstanding of that timeline. 547 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:42.960 Then did that had to do with uh, John the Baptist? 548 00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:47.359 So that's I stopped in March because they're calculating it 549 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:50.319 on the basis of what's in Luke one. Yeah, so 550 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.480 really it's nothing. So in other words, John the Baptist's 551 00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:57.160 birth would be June twenty fourth, so that would be 552 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:00.480 John the Forerunner, And that's calculated as two hundred and 553 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:06.640 seventy days after the announcement that Zachariah's wife. 554 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.319 Would have a baby, Elizabeth would have a baby. That's 555 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:09.599 John the Baptist, right, Ye. 556 00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:14.119 So then if you read Luke, there's that point where 557 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:19.400 Luke and where Leeke describes Mary and Elizabeth meeting, and 558 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.880 so we know about the annunciation date wise from that time, 559 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:25.640 and so that's why we get to December twenty fifth 560 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:32.880 is nine months after this, the Annunciation being March twenty 561 00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:41.480 Excuse me, the Annunciation is March twenty fifth according to Irenaeus. 562 00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:45.359 So you got the early Church saying that it's dated 563 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:48.559 from He's the most famous theologian of the Church in 564 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:50.440 the second century, so he wrote a big giant book 565 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.880 called Against Heresies. So in other words, he's telling us 566 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.400 that he's a bishop. He's not just some random dud. 567 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:56.359 He's like a bishop. 568 00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:59.079 Of the church, Leon Aeron Leon. 569 00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:02.400 He's telling us that we date this from March twenty 570 00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:07.240 fifth for John the Baptist, and then nine months later 571 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.000 or assuming for the Annunciation, the niemus later is the 572 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.319 birth of Christ. So I mean, whether you think that's 573 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:17.839 wrong or right, Like, that's the explanation that the second 574 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:21.279 century Church gives for where they're getting the dates, and 575 00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:22.960 it's from the Book of Luke. It has nothing to 576 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.559 do with trying to date it to the Roman census 577 00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.599 or whatever. It's literally dated just like Easter or Pasca. 578 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:33.000 It's dated according to the Jewish ceremonies. So again, if 579 00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:35.519 you read that article, like, the way that we would 580 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:39.839 know is because of Zechariah's priesthood, So Zacharai is serving 581 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.400 as there's a cycle of what priests do in the 582 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:45.799 Jewish calendar, what they do when they're in the temple, 583 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:48.240 when they're elected to be the one to offer the 584 00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:52.079 incense is described in Luke one, so that's where they're 585 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:54.079 getting that date from. It just has it has nothing 586 00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.799 to do with what the Pagans were up to. And 587 00:33:57.799 --> 00:33:59.720 this is the assumption that a lot of people who 588 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.599 have that argument of that claim make is that really 589 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:05.960 Christianity was not a divinely established religion. It's just this 590 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:09.239 thing that was blended with all this pagan stuff and 591 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:12.400 their emperors controlled the church or whatever. But you can 592 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:14.400 look at the Council of Nicea in three twenty five, 593 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.199 and you can read the church fathers prior to Nicea, 594 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.199 and they don't teach anything fundamentally different than after the 595 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:21.039 Council of Nicea. 596 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:23.480 So that is always built on these. 597 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:27.199 Kind of Atlantis assumptions that there's this massive change after 598 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.559 the Constantine created the Catholic Church or whatever. It's just 599 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:34.199 not true. And you can actually read the people who 600 00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.559 were Christians from the first two third century and there's 601 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.760 an abundant I mean all of these books up here 602 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:46.360 in the Red that's abundant amount of information from that 603 00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.079 time period. So it's not a mystery. It's not like 604 00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.440 we don't know. You can actually go read these people 605 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.400 in those time periods, and there's many church fathers who 606 00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.519 are very famous and they talk about the services, they 607 00:34:58.519 --> 00:34:59.400 talk about. 608 00:34:59.239 --> 00:34:59.920 You know, Pasca. 609 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.920 In fact, one of the biggest controversies in the second 610 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.599 century at the time of Aaronais between the East and 611 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:06.960 the West, is about when. 612 00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:08.800 To date Pasca or Easter. 613 00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:13.320 So if the very first controversey that occurs is over 614 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.599 when to actually date Easter, should it be specifically the 615 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.320 Jewish calendar or something else, tells us that this is not. 616 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:21.360 A pagan invention. 617 00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:25.159 Later or centuries later, it's one of the earliest controversies 618 00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:28.079 in the shit. It's called the Quartodesseminarian controversy over when 619 00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.039 to date Easter. And you if you read those church fathers, 620 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.599 Easter is not o star or that's just a later 621 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.559 Germanic term that has nothing to do with Pasca. They 622 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:41.440 call it Pasca. And it's just amazing to me that, 623 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:43.199 you know, people are this ignorant, not trying to be 624 00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.000 rude to this people to disagree, but like it's. 625 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:47.000 Not very hard to go read. 626 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.559 You know, people from the second century writing about Pasca, 627 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:54.719 and in the Orthodox Church it's very clearly East, Like, 628 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:58.039 it's very clearly passover. In other words, the Greek word 629 00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:04.119 pasca means passover, so you would never mistake Easter for 630 00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.559 something pagan in the Orthodox Church when the entire ethos 631 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:09.159 is passover from Exodus. 632 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.920 You say, what about just the the etymology of the 633 00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:16.519 word Easter, you know, and also visuals of things like 634 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:22.280 bunnies and eggs. Where if there is very fundamental foundational 635 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:27.039 differences between these pagan practices and of course the the 636 00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:31.039 the the the establishment of the Christian Church, then where 637 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.599 where does the the the overlap happen, at least in 638 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:35.519 popular culture? 639 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:36.559 How does that start? 640 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:37.440 Right? 641 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.559 So, there was a I'm trying to remember the exact spelling. 642 00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.719 It's aeostore etre, which is just the Germanic word for 643 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.519 that goddess, but it's also a Germanic word for that season. 644 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.159 So you know, it's like, think about the days of 645 00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:56.360 the week or the way we talk about the months, right, 646 00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:02.280 sometimes the like January or john u Sometimes that the 647 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:06.239 names for things did signify a god, but that's not 648 00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:09.599 the only reference that those words have. So in other words, 649 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.440 you can have a term that also refers to a 650 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.440 time period and not necessarily a deity or a goddess. 651 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:18.039 So this is what's called a word concept ballasy. A 652 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:20.760 lot of times people make the mistake of thinking that 653 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.280 because a word is used, it only has one meaning 654 00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.599 a reference. Words can have multiple meanings or reference depending 655 00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:30.800 upon context and depending upon intentionality of the author. So 656 00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:37.119 just because the word ostara meant to Germanic tribes a 657 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.960 goddess does not mean that the festival or the time 658 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:44.159 period of spring is necessarily a reference to the goddess. 659 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:45.679 Does that make sense what I'm saying? 660 00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:46.840 It does? It does? 661 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:48.559 And you know, when it comes to something like soul 662 00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:52.920 and victis as well, you know, I admittedly I want 663 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:54.880 to do more reading on this so that the knowledge 664 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.960 is my own. But that is one thing that I 665 00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:02.599 did have in mind, a question long since posed to 666 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.840 me about, you know, whether or not soul and Victis 667 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:10.519 was shifted itself to December in order to compete with Christianity, 668 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.719 which was already the dominant faith by the fourth century, 669 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:17.400 or was it the opposite, where because we Ultimately, I 670 00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.840 don't know any Christians who are obsessed with the date 671 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:24.880 of December twenty fifth being accurate or although you know, 672 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.320 some may have better reasons than others for believing it, 673 00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.360 because they may do the research and they do what 674 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.719 you do and stuff. But this does lend itself, This 675 00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:38.920 whole idea lends itself to other theories about the early Church, 676 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:43.880 namely the story that Constantine's conversion wasn't authentic and that 677 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:47.920 he just wanted to see Christianity married with Roman traditions 678 00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:50.280 and feast days in order to co opt the religion. 679 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:53.719 But that's what you're saying here. The timelines don't support 680 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:54.239 that theory. 681 00:38:54.679 --> 00:39:01.599 Yeah, both the celebration of the what we call Christmas 682 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.000 christ Mass or the Divine Liturgy and the dating of 683 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:11.159 Pasca or Easter are at least two centuries of one 684 00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:14.719 hundred and fifty years prior to Constantine. So no, there's 685 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:19.400 no way really to conceive of anything malicious on the 686 00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:20.519 part of Constantine on the. 687 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:21.639 Basis of these dates. 688 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.960 So there was these dates where we're well established far 689 00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:29.719 before Constantine ever existed. And again you can read you know, Cyprian, 690 00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:33.480 you can read Ignacious, you can read herein as you 691 00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:37.159 can read Tertullian, you can read Origin. They're not all saints, 692 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.000 but they're all what are called writer or like Origin 693 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:42.639 and Tertullian that end up being saint, they're called patristic 694 00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.679 writers because they still give us an insight into what 695 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:49.000 the thought of the Christian Church was in the second century. 696 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.760 And again there's vast amounts of material from this time period. 697 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.519 There's thousands of pages of material from this time period. 698 00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:57.199 So it's not like we have to do a whole 699 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.199 lot of guest work. There might be certain areas where 700 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:03.199 it's unclear exactly, but we know that we know they 701 00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:06.280 had a liturgical form of worship, we know they believed 702 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.960 in the saints, the relics of the saints. All this 703 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:13.320 stuff is very early. It's a you know, post Apostolic period. 704 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.039 You can find all this stuff. So now it's not 705 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.639 really anything to do with Constantine. I mean, if people 706 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.199 want to doubt the conversion of Constantine, I mean that's 707 00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:21.159 I guess that's up to them. 708 00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:23.480 But even if you did doubt that, that really. 709 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:25.559 Has nothing to do with proving or disproving anything relating 710 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.320 to what we're talking about, because, like I said, the 711 00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:32.800 church fathers that are prominent at Nicia and after Nicia 712 00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.280 teach all the same stuff as the ones prior to Nicia. 713 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:40.199 For example, Saint Athanasius, very famous defender of the duty 714 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:40.920 of Christ. 715 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:41.880 At Nicia and so forth. 716 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.199 I mean Athanasius has festal letters that he writes to 717 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.519 his all of the churches under his bishopric for. 718 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:50.480 Easter, for Posca. 719 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:53.159 I mean you could read his postcal letters. So the 720 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.719 very people going to the Council of Nicia have Pascal 721 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.199 East Easter letters. You know, they're famous letters that you 722 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:03.199 can go read. So and he talks about the celebration 723 00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:06.440 of the feasts and all that. So, No, the origin 724 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:11.039 of these things, although it does pick up elements of 725 00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:14.559 the cultures that are that surround you know, the Roman 726 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:17.920 Empire or that we would you could even say more 727 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:22.880 so Greek influence, like Byzantium. Like, the origin is really Hebrew. 728 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.119 I mean all of these are Hebrew root. So I 729 00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:28.199 don't mean Hebrew roots movement. That's a heretical thing. But 730 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:32.880 I'm talking about again, Easter is literally Pasca, it's passover, 731 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:35.039 and if you I mean, it doesn't really make any 732 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.559 sense without passover. And so the fact that for example, 733 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:44.320 Christianity goes into a place where say German tribes celebrate 734 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.760 their version of the rights of the goddess or whatever, 735 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.000 because spring overlaps with that or something that's really just 736 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:52.320 historical coincidences. 737 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.239 Nothing. There's no evidence. 738 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:56.360 Or proof for any kind of conspiracy theory there when 739 00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:59.679 all of the stuff that I'm talking about far predates 740 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.000 the the pagan tribes converting. 741 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.079 You know, and every time I talk to you and 742 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.440 guests of your caliber, you know, it is always very 743 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.639 shocking to me to be reminded of how much there 744 00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:15.480 really is as far as a historical record, because I mean, 745 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.480 when you when you think about anything around third century, 746 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.440 I just feel like everything that has already been turned 747 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:22.760 to dust. 748 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.199 There's there's nothing left behind. 749 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:27.320 There's a very small amount, but there, as you said before, 750 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.920 thousands of pages on any number of areas of what's 751 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.159 been going on around there. Let me ask you about 752 00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:35.719 one thing in particular, and that is the history, the 753 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:43.480 preserved histories of the the the pagan Germanic druid kind 754 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.360 of you know, everything that's going on in Europe prior 755 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:53.239 to Christianity's spread throughout the continent. What has been preserved 756 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.360 directly from them, or was it all really just recorded 757 00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:01.599 by early Christians who are interacting with these these tribes 758 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:04.119 and nations. 759 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:05.960 No, the latter. 760 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:10.239 Most of what we have in terms of scholarly you know, 761 00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:17.280 documents academia is literally just given to us through the monastics, scholars, 762 00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:21.639 and missionaries of that time period. So, for example, I 763 00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:22.960 had some grad classes on this. 764 00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:23.719 I know about it. 765 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:27.239 Like if you go and study boe Wolf, a lot 766 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.639 of scholars think that the the there's a recension that 767 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:37.280 Christian monastics did for those texts, and so there's sort 768 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:41.800 of proto Christian elements in beoe Wolf, which probably suggests 769 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.440 that there were Christian monks that translated or preserved it 770 00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.960 and then maybe gave it some sort of christiani Ish 771 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:51.000 meanings or allegorical, you know, symbolic meanings. Some people think 772 00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.679 that about you mentioned like Odin, you know that some 773 00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.840 people think that monks were even tweaking those stories, and 774 00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.400 so Odin Dying on a tree and this kind of 775 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.840 stuff might have been Christian missionaries preserving the text and 776 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.480 then kind of tweaking it to help convert the pagan So. 777 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.480 All that's possible, But what it does show is. 778 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:10.679 Is most people, i think will admit there's that there's 779 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:14.519 not really a lot of knowledge of the ancient European 780 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.320 pagan traditions. If you go into a lot of these groups, 781 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:20.519 you'll find that the neopagan wotan Ode and all these 782 00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.880 different people that they're are knowledge of the they're actually 783 00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:28.280 uh doing a lot of reconstructing work. So they're kind 784 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.079 of just kind of making it up as they go. 785 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:30.920 Uh. 786 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:32.880 If you read a lot of Tolkien, you know, Tolkien 787 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:36.280 was a specialist in that uh, in that arena, and 788 00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:38.480 you know he was working with the EDAs and these 789 00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:41.440 various Icelandic manuscripts and whatnot when he was writing Lord 790 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:43.320 of the Rings, and you know, there's just not a 791 00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:47.519 whole lot of material that's preserved. There's a there's some, 792 00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.320 but it's not like there's this all this like arcane 793 00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:56.239 ancient you know, pagan heritage that's hand lore that's handed down. 794 00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:59.760 It's not And most of the modern pagan groups literally 795 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:01.840 are just reconstructing and making up as they go. 796 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:02.920 And that's not. 797 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.119 Surprising because if you look at a lot of the 798 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:09.679 other cults and esoteric groups. For example, on my channel, 799 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:12.039 we just lectured through the entire almost the entire five 800 00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:17.559 six hundred pages of the recent Cambridge publication of the 801 00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:23.039 Cambridge Companion to Western Mysticism and Esoterism. There's multiple chapters 802 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:27.599 on the Pagan tradition, the ancient mysteries, the ancient Greek 803 00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.840 Eleusinian mysteries, the mythras. I read all those chapters, and 804 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:35.039 what was funny is that many of the neopagan movements, 805 00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.159 the scholars are admitting that they're just making it up 806 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.880 as they go. There is no ancient traditional pagan religion, 807 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.199 so you have to reconstruct it. Think about Wicca. Wicca 808 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.599 is that very thing Gerald Gardner studied under Croley and 809 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.360 literally has made up an ancient religion. And part of 810 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.079 what Crowley did was create a cult, a kind of 811 00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:57.039 grad school to where you learn to make your own cult. Literally, 812 00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:02.960 when Crowley was rewriting thet Thelma rituals, he admits he 813 00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:05.559 just literally started making it up as he went. And 814 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:07.599 what you'll find is that that's pretty much the case 815 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:09.920 amongst all these groups, is that there's not actually an 816 00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:12.960 ancient tradition. And that's very unique when you contra I mean, 817 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.280 the Christian Church is unique because whether you like it 818 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.440 or not, there is at least again a very well 819 00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:23.000 preserved manuscript tradition, not just of the New Testament Old 820 00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:25.679 Testament text with which there's thousands of which there's I mean, 821 00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:29.800 there's no ancient sex that has that level of attestation 822 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.199 and number of manuscripts like the Bible of the New Testament, 823 00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:37.039 the Church Fathers, as you just mentioned again thousands of pages, 824 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.280 all those read books right there, which is about eleven volumes. 825 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:40.920 Most of that. 826 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:46.559 Is from the first three centuries. So that's outstanding compared 827 00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:49.440 to I mean, if people want to resurrect some kind 828 00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.000 of Nego Pigan whatever, like they don't have anything. They 829 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.760 would be ironically going from Christian monastic translations in the 830 00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.079 seventh eighth century. And if you go take a class 831 00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:00.559 on Beowulf at the University of Grady, I'll. 832 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:00.880 Tell you all this. 833 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:03.400 Let's get into a couple other. 834 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:06.920 I'll just pick up a couple more figures, like Santa 835 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:12.480 Claus for example. Now as far as Saint Nicholas, what 836 00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:17.719 has become now, I mean this cartoonish you know display 837 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:18.519 that we have this. 838 00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:20.679 You know where we live right now. 839 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.599 I understand the difference between the two and how anything 840 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:27.000 can be taken and bastardized in a commercial setting. But 841 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.280 there's a lot of people who say that Santa Claus 842 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:34.679 himself comes from Odin and that the flying reindeer and 843 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:38.519 the red and white suit is very is you know, 844 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.440 it harkens back to red and white magic mushrooms that 845 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.239 if you take it, you hallucinate. Maybe that's how the 846 00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:48.679 reindeer fly. So again there is more of that going 847 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:51.400 back to the Yule with the reindeer and everything else. 848 00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.159 So with the meshing of all that together, from the 849 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.480 historical figure that is Saint Nicholas to the red and 850 00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:02.639 the white and the reindeer, how do you address that? 851 00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:04.079 Right? 852 00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:10.280 So there are way later russo finish, you know, like 853 00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:14.920 there are like Russian myths of like guys out in 854 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:16.119 the woods who are a. 855 00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:18.880 Father Frost or something like that. He even has a name. 856 00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.000 I don't remember his name, but that really has nothing 857 00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.559 to do with the actual origins of. 858 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:28.119 Saint Nicholas. So this is Saint Nicholas. 859 00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:31.639 He's this is an actual guy in the Orthodox Church. 860 00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:33.000 He was at the council that I see. 861 00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:37.840 In fact, he's famously the bishop who slapped Areas in 862 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:39.679 the face in the midst of the Council of I see, 863 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:43.800 it's a famous story. You can actually go and read 864 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:47.000 about Saint Nicholas in terms of his history. We one 865 00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:49.679 year ago went to his shrine, So I've actually been 866 00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:53.400 to Saint Nicholas's shrine. Not that that necessarily proves anything, 867 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:55.679 but it proves that it's really nothing to do with 868 00:48:56.400 --> 00:49:02.360 the Amanida Muscara mushroom father, you know know, Father Toadstool, 869 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.480 or whatever the myths of the Pagans are. They might 870 00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:08.639 have over time had a kind of a syncretized blending 871 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:11.639 of the stories of Hey, you know, what we believe 872 00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.400 about Saint Nicholas is kind of related to what we 873 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:18.960 believe about, you know, Father Toadstool or whatever, the pagan mysteries. 874 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.880 But that's just a kind of a thing that happens 875 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.280 over time. It has nothing to do with whether or 876 00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:26.039 not the actual Saint Nicholas is a you know, a 877 00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:28.280 guy who existed or not, which he did. I mean, 878 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.519 I go to Saint Nicholas Orthodox Church, so we have 879 00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:35.440 a very close connection to the actual Santa Claus. But 880 00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.800 you're absolutely right that over time, I think Coca Cola 881 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.960 played a huge role in taking that imagery of I 882 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.719 mean you'll notice, like the original Saint Nicholas, he kind 883 00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:48.480 of you know, he's got red garments and he's got 884 00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.039 his vestiments on, so you could kind of see how 885 00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:52.599 this might turn into you. 886 00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:53.599 Know, Santa Claus. 887 00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:56.960 But yeah, I think American corporations play a huge role 888 00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:00.920 in that and sort of corporatizing it and divorcing from anything. 889 00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:02.400 To do with Christian tradition. 890 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:04.679 But of course that doesn't mean that all the legends 891 00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.800 around this this saint are true, or that there or 892 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.440 that there weren't much later syncretized blended myths about the 893 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.800 two the pagan and the Christian figure. 894 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.119 Oh yeah, And I can totally see anybody who spends 895 00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.800 any time on the Internet should be able to understand 896 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:25.000 how when you just you leave an idea to any 897 00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:27.719 kind of culture or subculture, what what happens to it 898 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.519 over time? I mean, just look at the the timeline 899 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:33.880 of development for the wojack and any other meme, any 900 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.079 kind of any genre, subgenre of memes out there. I 901 00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:41.760 mean there there are fifteen fifteen year storylines now as 902 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.119 to how we got to these levels of memes and 903 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.480 what it's all micro references, it's become religious. 904 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.000 Exactly that's a good knowledgy. 905 00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.639 Yeah but yeah, but okay, so what we're talking about 906 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.599 here is mostly all just in Europe. When you get 907 00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:00.119 into the Bill Mahers the Stephen Fries, we get a 908 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.800 lot of taking from everywhere around the world, Egypt with 909 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.400 Horace and Osiris, even though the one thing I will 910 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:09.400 say is that when it comes to December twenty fifth, 911 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:13.559 the only place that I personally, with what little research 912 00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:16.599 I've done, have been able to find a direct match 913 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:18.400 with is Sole and Victus. And of course we know 914 00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:22.920 that the timelines show that that was moved to compete 915 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.079 with Christianity and not to. 916 00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.719 Knock the other way around to you know, it wasn't. 917 00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.639 So what with Mithras, I don't see I really don't 918 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:35.920 even see anything that's mixed on where you know that's 919 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:36.880 December twenty fifth. 920 00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:38.480 I didn't see that anywhere Egypt. 921 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:40.400 Well, I think, yeah, so there's nothing to do with 922 00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:43.840 December twenty fifth with that. But what what the overlaps 923 00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:48.119 with Mythras are the importance of blood sacrifice. You get 924 00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:50.960 a baptism of blood in the Mithra cult. 925 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:53.360 There's a lot of virgin there's a lot of virgin births. 926 00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.440 There's no but I mean there was like all this. 927 00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:59.199 This is the thing is that like almost all ancient 928 00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.360 religions in some way utilize a lot of these kind 929 00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:07.039 of archetypal ideas, the virgin right, the death resurrection ritual. 930 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:10.400 That's like literally every religion. So it's a it's again, 931 00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:14.280 it's a fallacy, like a literal fallacy to think that 932 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.599 because there's similarities that therefore they have. 933 00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:19.639 A common origin. Right, they may. 934 00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:25.280 But just because they bear similarities or there's some overlap, again, 935 00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:28.360 it's a non secutor. Doesn't follow from that that therefore 936 00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.840 Christianity is taking from the Pagans. 937 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:33.480 It's just a it's a fallacy. 938 00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:36.119 You actually have to demonstrate it because you could literally 939 00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.280 argue in any The reason it's a fallacy is that 940 00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:39.159 it could go anyway. 941 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.280 You go either way, Well, how do you know that 942 00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:43.360 it's not the Pagan's borrowing from the Christian tradition? 943 00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:49.159 Right, So it'd be like saying that the great analogy 944 00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:52.320 people make is like, well, you know, let's say I 945 00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:58.159 create a company and it looks very similar in terms 946 00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:02.519 of its you know, symbology to the Apple logo, and 947 00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:06.599 I call it bitten Apple, Right, and then five thousand 948 00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:10.280 years from now, archaeologists look back and they say, oh, look, 949 00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:11.159 you know, here's this guy. 950 00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:12.840 He's got a company. It's called bitten Apple. 951 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:14.840 And then we get this other company called Apple, and 952 00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:18.079 they're around the same time. So Apple must have borrowed 953 00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:20.639 from bitten Apple, right, I mean that would be false 954 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.800 because you know, you're just sort of making you're doing 955 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:26.440 guess work thousands of years later about which one came first. 956 00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:28.679 And just because something that came first, it also doesn't 957 00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:31.280 necessarily mean that the thing that came later necessarily borrowed 958 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:34.639 from it. It could, but not necessarily. It might have 959 00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:39.239 arisen with its own tradition irrespective or independent from this 960 00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.159 other thing that had similarities. So all of the ancient 961 00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:46.719 religions have all of them have certain things that are similar, 962 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.599 but it doesn't follow from that that they have the 963 00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:50.679 same origin or that they're the same religion. 964 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:51.679 It's just a fallacy. 965 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:53.639 Let me give you some examples of a couple of 966 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:56.440 things where there's a great article written by a scholar 967 00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:58.519 actually in a non Christian book. 968 00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:00.719 So there's a book called the and this. 969 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.719 Is Everybody Loves Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell. They think 970 00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.000 it's also mystical. Indeed, Well, here's a book called the 971 00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.880 Mysteries that's written that's addited by Joseph Campbell and includes 972 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:12.559 a bunch of Carl Young stuff, and there's a great. 973 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:13.039 Essay in this. 974 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.719 I didn't expect it to be what it was. It's 975 00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:18.599 called The Christian Mysteries and the Pagan Mysteries by a 976 00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:21.360 guy named Hugo Ronner, who's a scholar from about fifty 977 00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:25.679 years ago. And the whole essay is just going through 978 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:30.400 all the ancient mystery religions and comparing and contrasting to 979 00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:32.599 the Christian religion in the early Church in the first, 980 00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:33.599 second or third century. 981 00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:35.800 And what he notes is that. 982 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.599 The Christian mysteries, or what we call the sacrament so 983 00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:41.800 Paul talks about the revelation of the mysteries in christ 984 00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:45.280 is that there's a clear difference. The difference has summed 985 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:48.239 up in three main points. He argues Christianity is a 986 00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:53.559 mystery of revelation, meaning that the mysteries become clear, they 987 00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:58.920 are revealed to us. They do not remain inscrutable unknown mysteries. Secondly, 988 00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:03.320 Christianity is mainly concerned with ethical living and concerns the 989 00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:06.679 Mystery religions were not concerned with ethics. They weren't concerned 990 00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:10.119 with the tank commandments. Were you a virtuous person or whatever. 991 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:15.079 It's all sacrificed ritual to control the gods. Right, And 992 00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:20.599 Christianity is a mystery of salvation by grace and not 993 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:24.239 by all of these crazy rituals and rites and whatever. 994 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:28.599 And also Christianity is pro history. The Mystery religions are 995 00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:33.760 unanimously anti history. You're flying from history and time to 996 00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:37.760 get into the realm of the gods, the ancient golden times, whatever, 997 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:41.599 the prime evil, the one, the transcendent mystery realm. You're 998 00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:44.280 trying to get away from time and space in the 999 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.920 Mystery religions, and Jesus came into time and space to 1000 00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:51.719 sanctify time and space because we're resurrected in bodies. The 1001 00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:54.599 Mystery religions don't teach resurrection of the body. 1002 00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:58.039 Egypt is of course a unique outlier in that. 1003 00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.880 But you could argue that Egyptian monotheism and resurrection might 1004 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:06.880 have been influenced by Joseph's presence or Moses's presence in. 1005 00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:08.440 Egypt if you read the Book of Genesis. 1006 00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.000 So we don't know in a lot of these ancient 1007 00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:13.639 historical cases how it went down. 1008 00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:14.400 There's a lot of. 1009 00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:17.440 Guesswork that goes into ancient history. There's far more that 1010 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:19.400 we don't know than we do know. So when people 1011 00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:22.719 try to make these sort of outlandist dogmatic claims, oh well, 1012 00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:25.519 we know that Judaism and Christianity borrowed from all these 1013 00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:28.480 pagan religions. If you focus on and look at the 1014 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:35.280 contrast the difference between the religion in the in the 1015 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:39.119 Mosaic Law and the Pentateuch, the difference in the Revelation 1016 00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:42.360 in the New Testament in Christ versus the religions around 1017 00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.920 the surrounding cultures, there's far more of a contrast and 1018 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:51.880 difference and fundamental theology then there is superficial similarity. 1019 00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:54.880 Yeah, and you know, I think that's really when when 1020 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.480 when you bring it up that way, I think that's why. 1021 00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:01.519 It brings me back to the question not very dissimilar 1022 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:05.199 to the one that you, me and Tim Gordon discussed 1023 00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:07.559 the last time we were all on together, that question being 1024 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:12.280 why Christianity. If there are there are similarities, if there 1025 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.880 are synchronicities, that there are these things there, but if 1026 00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:18.280 a person had no faith to speak of but they 1027 00:57:18.320 --> 00:57:21.159 were curious, and they're actively searching, and they want they 1028 00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:22.880 want to figure something out for themselves. 1029 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:24.960 What about the story of Christmas? 1030 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:28.400 Do you believe sets it apart from everything that came 1031 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.559 before or after it? Because faith is at the center 1032 00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:34.920 of the matter, no matter what. But this is also 1033 00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:38.760 why we were talking about the importance of the validity. 1034 00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:40.480 I think a lot of people put a lot of 1035 00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:45.320 a lot of energy into the validity of relics and 1036 00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:48.960 miracles and all that stuff because they I think everybody 1037 00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:50.559 would wish that they can just have a road to 1038 00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:54.840 Damascus moment and get struck by something that they they saw, 1039 00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:59.159 something they can't unsee that. You know, sometimes the philosophy 1040 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:03.079 of everything, research, the thinking, all that stuff can just 1041 00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:05.400 break your mind because you're talking about things that are 1042 00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:10.280 mainly metaphysical and beyond our understanding. So that's why when 1043 00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:12.840 I brought up relics and miracles, why there might be 1044 00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:16.159 so important to most people is because it provides maybe 1045 00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.400 some sort of empirical data to support the faith. Do 1046 00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:21.519 you fall what do you find is could be a 1047 00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:24.880 really great source of empirical data to say one hundred 1048 00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:26.280 percent this is the truth? 1049 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:31.519 Uh, well, I. 1050 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:35.920 Mean as a as an Orthodox person, I mean and 1051 00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:38.719 a person who's in the philosophy. I don't know that 1052 00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:43.639 there is a strong empirical thing that I could point to, 1053 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.800 because anything in the empirical realm is going to be 1054 00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:50.800 subject to interpretation, and you're going to interpret your empirical 1055 00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:53.239 data according to the worldview of the paradigm that you have. 1056 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:55.320 So I would say the strongest evidence would be you 1057 00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.760 just have to go to an Orthodox Divine liturgy and 1058 00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:00.920 begin to experience it for yourself. That's the only empirical 1059 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:03.960 experience that I could recommend. The most Orthodox churches, if 1060 00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:05.519 you want to check out a relic or what like, 1061 00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:07.960 they're filled, They're filled with relics and they're filled with icons. 1062 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:11.639 So go check out an Orthodox liturgy, especially during Christmas. 1063 00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:16.159 But again, like I was thinking of things that contrast 1064 00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:22.480 the mystery religions to the revelation of Christianity. The mystery 1065 00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:28.039 religions are clouded. History is cyclical and not beginning middle end. 1066 00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:32.440 There's usually a goddess and an escurt who's an es 1067 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:37.679 court to the male God. There's no escort goddess in Christianity. 1068 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:41.800 The mystery religions almost always utilized drugs, some kind of 1069 00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:45.199 allucinogenic drug. That's in the Cambridge Companion, the history of 1070 00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:48.719 Eleusinian mysteries that utilize hallucinogens to have the revelation of 1071 00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:51.639 the true whatever the anyway, and the mystery is always 1072 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:55.039 you are God, right, the mystery religions, the ancient that 1073 00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:57.679 the ultimate secret. Literally, if you read the Cambridge Companion 1074 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:00.000 like it says across the board, like all these ancient 1075 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:01.960 the mystery religions are basically just telling you at the 1076 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.760 end of the process and of the initiatory process, oh, 1077 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:05.679 by the way, you're God. 1078 01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:06.679 I mean. 1079 01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.920 So it's just like I mean, every self help guru 1080 01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:13.000 would tell you the same thing. The mystery religions are 1081 01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:16.559 anti history, and so I think that you know, Christianity 1082 01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:20.000 is not a cloudy religion. Orthodox Ritianity doesn't teach a 1083 01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:22.719 cyclical view of history. There's no goddess. You're not going 1084 01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:25.639 to get a shortcut to elimination through drug use. 1085 01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.960 There's no hatred of history. 1086 01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:32.239 And rather than saying you are God, and the Orthodox 1087 01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:37.360 Christian idea of theosis, you become God through grace, through 1088 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:38.920 participating in the divine energy. 1089 01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:41.559 So it's become a son of God. Through grace. 1090 01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:45.239 You don't become God himself, but you do become deified. 1091 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:47.360 So I would say that's a big Those are all 1092 01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:51.239 very big contrasts to the ancient mystery religions, and empirically, 1093 01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:52.920 I would just say, you'd have to go check it out. 1094 01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:55.800 Yeah, And I guess the closest I've ever gotten to 1095 01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:59.760 anything like that is really an analyzing the opposition to 1096 01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:03.920 all this stuff, because I respect anybody's skepticism. I know 1097 01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:08.679 when somebody is, hey, I still come upon questions that 1098 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.519 crop up for me along the way, and yeah, yeah, 1099 01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:15.039 and I and I really, especially if somebody approaches a 1100 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.280 dialectic or anything like that in good faith, I think 1101 01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:21.679 it's great because it's you just it's it's a growing experience. 1102 01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:24.559 But I guess it's just it's just enough for a 1103 01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:27.079 lot of people out there to point out that throughout history, 1104 01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:31.519 human being apparently just saying, oh, human beings have worshiped 1105 01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:34.079 a vast array of gods over the course of history 1106 01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:36.599 is enough to just take everything down. 1107 01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:39.039 And as in these you. 1108 01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:41.880 Know, on these HBO specials and stuff, and that in 1109 01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:45.199 itself is their gotcha question or their gotcha statement, because 1110 01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:50.599 Ultimately they believe that every as tech deity was bullshit 1111 01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:53.639 as well, especially when we're talking about like new atheism. 1112 01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:57.840 But there is a certain reverence still that they have 1113 01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:01.679 for for example, Native American Religon, just because all this 1114 01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:08.239 stuff creates a an environment of plurality, and plurality is 1115 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:11.840 the primary weapon that is used to undercut Christianity in particular. 1116 01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:13.760 That's that's that's the thing. 1117 01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.360 The first thing I started noticing time and time again 1118 01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:19.800 before I ever even consider going back to church regularly, 1119 01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:25.119 is that even in these very Kumbayah ways of introducing 1120 01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:28.320 and really plugging the idea of plurality, it's all about 1121 01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:31.840 putting a barb in the side of Christianity. And because 1122 01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:34.679 that seems to be in the cross hairs of every 1123 01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.039 major power out there right. 1124 01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:39.280 Well, again, the basics of Christianity are, you're going to 1125 01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:42.880 have objective morals, tenk commandments. A man has dignity because 1126 01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:45.599 he's mandamaged of God. So you can't kill you know, 1127 01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:49.639 will you know? The it limits the state. The state 1128 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:50.559 can't say it's God. 1129 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:52.079 You know. 1130 01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:56.039 It teaches people to live in sobriety, with self control. 1131 01:02:57.599 --> 01:02:59.639 It doesn't say the world is evil. You don't have 1132 01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:01.880 to flee from the world. You just have to live 1133 01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:05.440 according to you know, the Covenant, so to speak. So 1134 01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:08.800 I think those are all net positives. Are kind of 1135 01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:13.320 obviously good for mankind, and they're not good for you know, 1136 01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:17.599 the control system of this world. So they have to 1137 01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:19.639 try to subvert it, try to control it, to try 1138 01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:22.480 to destroy it. You know, the devil's been trying to 1139 01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.000 do that for two thousand plus years, to destroy the 1140 01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:28.360 church still here. I think it's the Orthodox Church. I't 1141 01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:30.800 think it's Romancalic Church. I think the Roman Galicy Church 1142 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:34.639 is obviously evil. But yeah, I think there's all kinds 1143 01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:38.320 of historical testimonies and evidences you could look at like that, 1144 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.519 you know, the fulfilled prophecies and messianic prophecies about Christ himself, 1145 01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.679 of which there are dozens and dozens and dozens throughout 1146 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:47.400 the Old Testament, if not just five or ten like 1147 01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:51.239 Protestants think, there's dozens all over the place, probably one 1148 01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.840 hundred plus. So you know, there's a lot of different 1149 01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:56.119 evidences that one could look at. But I think you're 1150 01:03:56.199 --> 01:04:00.639 right to say that, you know, the new atheism and 1151 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:02.559 all of that. I actually think there's that's a that's 1152 01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:04.840 a promoted by the establishment as well. I don't think 1153 01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:09.840 that's any kind of real, uh counter establishment movement. And 1154 01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:12.280 then if you look at the argumentation that they give, 1155 01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.920 it's actually not a very good argument to say that, well, 1156 01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.519 all these uh you know, humans have always worshiped various deities, 1157 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:21.719 therefore this other one is the one that you worship 1158 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:24.639 is also false. Well that isn't the fact that people 1159 01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:28.599 did this doesn't actually tell me whether it's true or false. 1160 01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:29.880 So that's actually a fallacy. 1161 01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:33.679 So uh, I mean, because people did things in the past, 1162 01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:36.000 even if they're right or wrong, that doesn't tell me 1163 01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:39.199 that the people that are doing it today are necessarily 1164 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:42.880 true that it's wrong or right. So again, there's all 1165 01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:45.400 these logical leaps. And what's amazing to me is that somebody, 1166 01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.599 the new atheists, like they're not even proficient and basic 1167 01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:49.599 logical fallacies. 1168 01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:51.559 No, you're you're right on that. And of course this 1169 01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:53.719 is your this is your forte. I mean, you spend 1170 01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:57.199 most of your time seeking out debates, and I've watched 1171 01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:00.079 many of them, and uh, you know, it's it's one 1172 01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:02.840 of those things where I take a look at it 1173 01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:07.880 and I can really respect to you know, intellectual giants, 1174 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:10.679 one that is just you know, a theist and one 1175 01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:14.079 that is an atheist, just going at each other, and 1176 01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:17.800 I want to see whose position is winning out logically. 1177 01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:22.679 But to your point, new atheism is really built on 1178 01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:28.719 this comedy central format of delivering information. It's largely based 1179 01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:32.400 and built upon a set of sneering inside jokes. 1180 01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:34.559 It's not a lot of thinking. 1181 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:38.239 And I'm you know, I'm totally comfortable with people being skeptical, 1182 01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:40.920 but this is just, uh, you can just tell if 1183 01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:43.559 you watched any episode of John Oliver, you know exactly 1184 01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:46.280 what you're going to deal with when you are talking 1185 01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:50.639 to an atheist these days about this subject. So anyway, 1186 01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:53.480 that's Jay. It's been a wonderful time with you tonight. 1187 01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:55.960 Is there anything you want to leave us with, any 1188 01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:58.599 new appearances you got coming up, what you got going 1189 01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:00.599 on for the rest of the holiday, or if there's 1190 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:04.159 any really important pieces of information about this subject you 1191 01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:05.519 didn't want to leave on the table. 1192 01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:08.519 I think we had most of the highlights. 1193 01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:10.800 I mean, yeah, I've got a lot of debates with 1194 01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:15.159 academic atheists and people like you know, doctor Malpass or 1195 01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:18.840 Matt Dilla, Hunty, Stefan Malin, you have debated all those 1196 01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.559 kind of academic minded atheists, and people want to go 1197 01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:24.519 check out those old debates. But no, I think we 1198 01:06:24.639 --> 01:06:26.440 kind of hit all the main points I was thinking of. 1199 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:29.039 Thank you for having me. It's always great to come on. 1200 01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:31.760 I love the conversations. We have so many good book 1201 01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:34.719 reviews that we've done over the years. But yeah, I 1202 01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:37.559 would say I'm going to be covering some more of 1203 01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:41.159 the espionage topic. I've been covering this really excellent history 1204 01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:44.639 of on my channel, the spies of the British Empire 1205 01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:47.280 who were sent out to find gold I'm excuse me, 1206 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:51.159 to find oil black gold, and that really helps under 1207 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:54.239 explain like the setup of the modern Middle East, how 1208 01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:56.039 we got to where we are in the modern Middle 1209 01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:59.599 East through these famous spies of the British Empire. So 1210 01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.239 we're run out over my channel as well as all 1211 01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.199 the open forums and that kind of stuff. And uh uh, 1212 01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:08.679 maybe maybe shifting over into doing a lot more comedy. 1213 01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:11.239 So I might be doing a show with h with. 1214 01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:15.440 Sam Hyde, so nice, but that happens, then, uh, you know, 1215 01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:18.360 we'll be shifting into probably doing a lot more comedy 1216 01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:19.079 than we have been. 1217 01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:21.440 So less debates and more comedy if that if that 1218 01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:22.280 comes about. 1219 01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:24.719 Well, that'd be great man. You know, it's always good 1220 01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:27.719 to move things around. And if you if that ever 1221 01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:31.360 brings you money chance into the New York tri state area, 1222 01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:31.800 you got. 1223 01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:32.079 To come visit. 1224 01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:33.639 Yeah, I would be up there that way. 1225 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:36.360 You got it too. You got to visit the studio absolutely, yeah. 1226 01:07:36.199 --> 01:07:38.000 I'd love to man, love to hang out, all. 1227 01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:40.079 Right, brother, have a great night, Merry Christmas. If we 1228 01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:41.440 don't speak, and I'll talk to you soon. 1229 01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:42.159 Yeah. 1230 01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:43.719 And by the way, if people want a good, wacky 1231 01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:45.719 Christmas gift, you can always get my books. 1232 01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:46.119 That's the trek. 1233 01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:49.000 Holly Wood wanted to sign copies that Jason Allis is 1234 01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:52.400 in the shop and Alex won his judgment, so I 1235 01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:56.760 should be continuing to do this hopefully, uh for the 1236 01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:00.199 foreseeable future, I guess. And then I'm working on so 1237 01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:02.440 Tury call you with three so that book will be 1238 01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:03.679 out pretty soon too. 1239 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:08.440 So that's that's the fourth hour on Info Wars on Fridays, right, yeah, okay, 1240 01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:10.119 the good So you can listen to Jay there on 1241 01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:13.079 the fourth hour on Fridays on Info Wars wherever you 1242 01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:17.359 listen to it. I usually bounce in on those those 1243 01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:21.159 slots on the talkstream map and all that. I like 1244 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:23.640 the audio streams, but it's great to hear from you. 1245 01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:25.960 I hope I have Jasonalysis dot com. As in the 1246 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:27.920 description of the episode, I hope people go buy some 1247 01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:30.119 books and enjoy the rest of your work. 1248 01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:30.800 Thanks my man. 1249 01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:32.840 All right, thanks Rany, take care. 1250 01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:35.960 All right, there he goes. It's eight oh seven pm. 1251 01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:38.159 Let's take a really quick break when we come back, 1252 01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:41.159 gonna do your calls. We're gonna bring that maybe until 1253 01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:43.800 about the bottom of the hour. It's only about twenty 1254 01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:46.279 three minutes from now, and then we'll just we're going 1255 01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:50.560 to go right into the the UFOs. We're going to 1256 01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:53.079 go right into the UFOs. And today we actually they 1257 01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:57.680 dropped the term mothership. Drop the term mothership. Of course, 1258 01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:00.520 it's an iranium mothership. It's not like a blue wavian. 1259 01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:07.239 You know, we're not talking about uh, not talking about 1260 01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:09.680 anything too crazy. I don't even know how the Uranians 1261 01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:12.960 could stay up. I don't get it. I don't get it. 1262 01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:16.640 When I think ever, I think about the Iranian Navy, 1263 01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:19.840 I think about like hot shots part do you or 1264 01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:23.920 something like that, just like little little river boats. Maybe 1265 01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:27.279 I'm wrong, Probably probably am, but we'll be right back. 1266 01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:30.680 Bring all of your comments and questions. You can send 1267 01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:33.199 them to the Quite Frankly superchat dot com put them 1268 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.399 into the the rumble rants. I can't wait to read 1269 01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:38.359 your rumble rants and also the gold pills on quite 1270 01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:40.680 frankly dot tv. Be right back. 1271 01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:45.159 It's intermission time, folks, I'm out depressed their life fdon 1272 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:46.319 thank you. 1273 01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:47.840 Welcome to intermission. 1274 01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:02.520 Yeah, good missions. 1275 01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:34.880 You are now entering quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, 1276 01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:38.880 quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, 1277 01:10:39.159 --> 01:10:43.039 quite frankly, frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly. 1278 01:10:43.039 --> 01:10:46.960 Frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, guys, 1279 01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:48.159 quite frankly. 1280 01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:49.720 Quite frankly, quite frankly. 1281 01:10:49.960 --> 01:11:09.319 So everybody watched quite frankly with frank quite frankly, I 1282 01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:10.119 don't dare you? 1283 01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:20.319 All right? 1284 01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:23.520 Welcome back to the quite Frankly Cafe. I hope you're 1285 01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:33.600 enjoying yourself. Coffee is on, the coffee is hot, all right, 1286 01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:36.239 so it's always great when Jay stops by. We're going 1287 01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:39.680 to open up the lines now nine four two hundred 1288 01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:40.680 two sixty nine. 1289 01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:44.199 Whatever you want to bring to the table, go ahead, 1290 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:46.640 go ahead. 1291 01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:48.680 It would be wonderful to hear from you, Soose two 1292 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:51.000 says a great guest tonight, Frank, thank you and shout 1293 01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:53.760 out to all the Franklis and Franciscans. I hope to 1294 01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:58.680 get really Christmasy next week. I really do. 1295 01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:00.600 Well, we have to. It's a last week. 1296 01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:04.199 Last week, and then that next Monday, the twenty third, 1297 01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:06.319 I'll have my parents in here. We'll have a little 1298 01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:08.720 bit of a family stream, and then it's you know 1299 01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:13.760 that Christmas Week gets broken up pretty good by the holiday. 1300 01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:17.720 But and then after that it's the New Year's Eve disruption. 1301 01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:20.680 Our first show back on the air, I think it's 1302 01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:23.880 going to be Wednesday or Thursday. I think Thursday. The 1303 01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:30.079 second you know who we got called into the show 1304 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.800 right now. It is a good friend of mine. I'd 1305 01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:35.960 spoke about him last night. Actually it's Wayne Smoldridge. 1306 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:40.720 How are you Wayne, I'm done, I'm calling you back now. 1307 01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:42.359 Yeah, it's great to hear from you. 1308 01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:44.239 You know, you know, I shouted you out the other 1309 01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:48.159 night and people don't don't believe because you're you're active 1310 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:50.279 in the chat room you've been called in for years. 1311 01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:53.520 Will you celebrated to your ninetieth birthday this year? 1312 01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:53.720 Right? 1313 01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:55.399 Wayne? 1314 01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:58.640 Yes, but actually I'm not ninety What. 1315 01:12:58.560 --> 01:12:58.800 Are you. 1316 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:00.960 Fours? 1317 01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:04.399 Ah see, you're almost ninety one? 1318 01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:08.880 My gosh, yeah, yeah, my birthday. You show to yours? 1319 01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:10.279 What do you in March? 1320 01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:13.720 Well, late March, March thirtieth, March thirtieth. 1321 01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:16.199 Oh wow, only a couple of days, you know, Wayne, 1322 01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:19.880 you know what this means, right? This means if you're 1323 01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:22.279 in March, you're gonna be ninety one. This means that 1324 01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:26.439 next Christmas is almost going to be You're at You're 1325 01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:30.760 almost at the nat King Cole cut off the Christmas song. Hey, 1326 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:33.520 you know, you get you get wish to merry Christmas, 1327 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:36.640 whether you're one to ninety two. Once you get past, right, 1328 01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:38.039 you don't you get, you don't get anywhere. 1329 01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:39.760 Whether it drops off after that. 1330 01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:42.920 Then you don't get any more special treatment after ninety two. 1331 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.079 Wayne, just let you know, well. 1332 01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:47.920 Well that's where it goes, That's where it goes. But anyway, 1333 01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:50.520 I also I want to let you I got got 1334 01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:55.800 three books for book club, and that's how I'm lined 1335 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:59.600 up for that, you know. I like that. So saying 1336 01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:04.319 that I'm not sure that the video things, but oh. 1337 01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:06.439 Oh well, you know what, the film club is going 1338 01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:08.840 to be something else. I think I think it'll actually 1339 01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:12.960 be a lot easier to do because obviously, with film Club, 1340 01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:16.760 it'll just be all right, everybody watch this movie and 1341 01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:19.039 we're going to get together on this night, maybe the 1342 01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:22.199 last Monday of a film club month, so everybody has 1343 01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:25.760 about three weeks to What I would really love is 1344 01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:27.800 to be able to get everybody together for a group viewing, 1345 01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:30.039 but that's not that's not gonna be feasible. 1346 01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:31.960 So I just think that's not possible. 1347 01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:33.760 Yeah, but I'm glad you're gonna be with us for 1348 01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:36.079 for book Club, we're starting off with Fhrenheit four or 1349 01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:37.840 five one, of course, that's right. 1350 01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:42.079 You know. When I when I contacted Amazon, I said 1351 01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:48.199 Fahrenheit five nine one. They corrected it for me. But 1352 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:50.439 I got the book. I got all three. I got 1353 01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:57.479 all three books, you know, The Big Fisherman and Tom. 1354 01:14:57.880 --> 01:14:58.720 Oh yeah, yeah. 1355 01:14:58.720 --> 01:14:59.960 That's great, that's great. 1356 01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:02.920 I can't I can't wait to read Tom Sawyer because 1357 01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:04.319 that's just one of those things. 1358 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:06.720 Yeah, you sort of know, but you don't know. 1359 01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:10.960 Yeah, you know, Yeah, there are certain works of art, 1360 01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:14.720 whether it be written or visual or something like that, 1361 01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:18.239 or movie that just get bigger than itself. They become 1362 01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:21.479 just they become so culturally important that you get all 1363 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:24.079 the references even if you didn't even read or watch it. 1364 01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:26.560 And that's that's I want to get all that that 1365 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:28.079 Mark Twain stuff out of the way. 1366 01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:31.239 And I, yeah, that'd be most Queen's very good. I 1367 01:15:31.279 --> 01:15:34.000 always liked him, but I never really read these books 1368 01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:35.279 read honestly. 1369 01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:37.680 There you go, we do that together. 1370 01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:41.840 So anyway, well, I just want to let you know 1371 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:44.880 that I'm calling in and I call him when I 1372 01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:48.000 had something pertinent to call about. But other than that, 1373 01:15:48.239 --> 01:15:51.680 you know, I'm just sort of a greeted on YouTube 1374 01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:52.880 chat room. 1375 01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:56.439 So well, you do very well, Wayne, You're I hope 1376 01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:58.520 I can be as active as you are when I 1377 01:15:58.560 --> 01:15:59.920 am ninety and three quarter. 1378 01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:03.479 Thanks for the call, and thank you. I appreciate talking 1379 01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:03.840 to you. 1380 01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:07.960 All right, take care. All right, there you go. Such 1381 01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:12.840 a nice, nice man, such a southern gentleman. There you go. 1382 01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:16.399 Like that. I like that. 1383 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:18.600 I always like getting calls from him. We've getting calls 1384 01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:21.319 for a long time, all right. Jay Britz is great 1385 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:24.560 discussion with Jay Dyer as always, Frank, thank you well, 1386 01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:26.800 thank you. Jay Simmos is a great guest. I can't 1387 01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:29.279 wait for the UFO discussion. Oh it's a discussion and 1388 01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:32.840 a half. What the hell is going on right now? 1389 01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:36.880 Cave Toad says, debunk the rebunk, Frank, keep it up. 1390 01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:39.479 Dawn says, Merry Christmas, Frank, much love to you and 1391 01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:41.760 your family. Thank you, Dawn. This is all on quite 1392 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:46.720 frankly dot TV. And then Sean Joe with two cookies. Well, 1393 01:16:46.880 --> 01:16:50.800 without further ado, let's just jump right into it. Do 1394 01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:52.800 I have anything else I want to throw out there first? 1395 01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:53.680 No? 1396 01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:58.359 I mean there's plenty plenty that we talked about. So again, 1397 01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:00.800 you can comment on whatever you like. We haven't totally 1398 01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:04.079 moved on from that. Call in for comment if you'd like. 1399 01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:06.159 But here is what I wanted to get into now. 1400 01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:09.199 It's eight fifteen. Let's just jump into it. After this 1401 01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:11.199 call six zero eight, you're on the air. 1402 01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:13.920 Go ahead, Hi, Frank, it's Jenny. 1403 01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:16.560 How you doing, Jenny, good to hear from you doing well? 1404 01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:18.760 Doing well? 1405 01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:19.159 Yes? 1406 01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:20.720 Good. 1407 01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:24.119 I just called because I wanted to tell you that 1408 01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:28.720 I watched the After Hours. It was the Star of Bethlehem. Yes, 1409 01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:30.960 you had that on Sunday. 1410 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:32.039 I think it was, yes, and. 1411 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:33.880 It's gonna be on again tonight, but I wanted to. 1412 01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:40.039 Beg Yeah, it is fascinating, Frank, Yes it is. I 1413 01:17:40.159 --> 01:17:43.640 just loved it. It is just fascinating. Thank you for 1414 01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:44.600 showing that again. 1415 01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:47.239 Well it's gonna be on, It's gonna be on a 1416 01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:49.079 little bit. Well, it'll be on the same time. I 1417 01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:51.840 think I started that. No, No, that one might have 1418 01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:54.359 gone on late night on Sunday after the feature. 1419 01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:55.880 I think we did it. It's a Wonderful Life and 1420 01:17:55.920 --> 01:17:56.319 then that. 1421 01:17:56.680 --> 01:18:00.239 But tonight when we end at nine, that's gonna start 1422 01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:02.680 at nine thirty, So even if you're watching it on 1423 01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:05.119 the East Coast, it'll be it'll be done by like 1424 01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:08.279 ten forty five or whatever. And it's just so fascinating 1425 01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:10.960 because not only do we have, for example, tonight with 1426 01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:15.960 Jay Dyer talking about the actual chronological how does that 1427 01:18:16.079 --> 01:18:19.720 nine months of time shake out over the course of 1428 01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:22.640 a year, as you know, as put together by what 1429 01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:25.520 we learned through the Gospel of Luke and everything, but 1430 01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:30.439 as you see in that, there is an astronomical element 1431 01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:34.760 to this that that actually proves, not only proves, but 1432 01:18:34.880 --> 01:18:37.840 explains why the things that were going on in the 1433 01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:42.560 sky at the time of Christ's birth was incredible. It 1434 01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:46.279 was impossible as far as timing goes, and it. 1435 01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:50.199 Was just exactly exactly. And that's the thing. It's like, 1436 01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:54.159 some people believe that the Great Pyramid was built during 1437 01:18:54.199 --> 01:18:58.159 the Age of Leo, which would have been when the 1438 01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:01.399 constellation of Leo came up over the horizon. I believe 1439 01:19:01.439 --> 01:19:05.000 in the eastern sky, probably in the spring or what 1440 01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:08.239 a certain time of year and that. And so when 1441 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:10.800 you look at the the Sphinx, I mean, I'm sorry, 1442 01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:14.640 when you look at the sphinx, its head looks very 1443 01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:18.520 small compared to its body. And my belief in that 1444 01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:22.479 is that some faraoh many many years later said, oh, 1445 01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:24.960 I think my face would look nice up there. Let's 1446 01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:27.720 carve that thing down. I think it was a lion. 1447 01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:29.039 A lot of. 1448 01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:31.920 People think that, and I a lot of people I've 1449 01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:35.720 heard that, and it's very compelling stuff because you're like, 1450 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:39.640 you're right, you're right. It seems like disproportionate. There should 1451 01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:41.640 have been something much bigger there, and perhaps it was. 1452 01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:44.760 Well, I've always known that, you know, I think I 1453 01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:48.479 think the stars and the sky and God, it's all 1454 01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:50.960 it's all really important. But thank you so much for 1455 01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:53.960 playing that, and I'll watch it again. It was absolutely 1456 01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:54.960 fascinating show. 1457 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:57.520 Well, well, thank you, Jenny, and I'll be watching it 1458 01:19:57.560 --> 01:19:59.880 tonight as well because I get a kick out of that, 1459 01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:04.640 and like I said, it just adds the improbability level 1460 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:07.359 of all that. It just makes you wonder whose hands 1461 01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:12.439 at work here? Thanks again for the call tonight nine thirty. 1462 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:17.119 The first thirty minutes is actually really really interesting as well. 1463 01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:24.000 So there you have it. All right, let's jump into this. Now, 1464 01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:30.079 this was yesterday, Tracy put this up? Who the hell 1465 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:36.760 is this? Drones are sophisticated. Wait, let me click through 1466 01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:40.880 to see where this is from. All right, here, listen 1467 01:20:40.920 --> 01:20:42.720 to this guy in Morris County twenty. 1468 01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:45.560 I don't know how many mayors sent a letter to 1469 01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:47.920 you this morning, ask it for a clarification. 1470 01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:50.439 What can you tell us? What is going on? 1471 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:52.119 And why is it ticket so long to come up 1472 01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:52.800 with an ext one nation? 1473 01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:55.800 Yeah, it's a good I don't blame people for being frustrated. 1474 01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:58.760 Let me say, most importantly right up front, we see 1475 01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:03.199 no evidence and I say this includes Homeland Security, FBI, 1476 01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:08.680 Secret Service, our state police authorities at all levels of government. 1477 01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:11.439 The most important point to say is we don't see 1478 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:13.239 any concern for public safety. 1479 01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:15.960 See here's the thing to keep saying that, and we 1480 01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:18.079 know that they'll lie to us about anything. These are 1481 01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:20.479 just very basic talking points about things in the sky. 1482 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:27.319 But the New Jersey aspect of this story has really 1483 01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:31.119 only become very popular in the last couple of weeks. 1484 01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:35.520 Prior to that, we were getting these these headlines about 1485 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:44.199 swarming unidentified aerial you know, vehicles, not necessarily anything that 1486 01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:46.520 was you know, seemed to be anti gravitic, but they 1487 01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:49.920 were just swarming drone like but they were in fleets, 1488 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:56.439 and they were over very highly restricted airspaces, and over 1489 01:21:56.479 --> 01:21:58.479 the course of that time, you know, you'd have the 1490 01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:02.880 Pentagon or Langley or all these places making statements about 1491 01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:06.880 it that they're there and we're trying to figure out 1492 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.800 what they are, figure out what they are. If you 1493 01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:15.600 and I flew anything over that airspace, that would be 1494 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:20.359 shot down. So the fact that the most defended airspaces 1495 01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:22.279 and on the East Coast. 1496 01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:25.359 Are kind of like, go, what's going on. 1497 01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:29.880 And nobody has any answers right off the bat, My 1498 01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:31.680 bullshit meteor is going off? 1499 01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:33.960 What is this all? 1500 01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:37.560 About and they keep saying that is they pose no threat. 1501 01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:43.640 But they're sophisticated, and as Tracy said, top officials are 1502 01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:46.560 meeting all day long. They have nothing to offer the public. 1503 01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:51.279 How do you know that they're no threat? How do 1504 01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:56.399 you even know that? This morning, Douglas McGregor tweeted this out. 1505 01:22:57.359 --> 01:23:00.279 Congressman tells Fox News a credible source at review that 1506 01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:03.319 the New Jersey drones were launched from an eastern from 1507 01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:08.039 the Eastern seaboard and are from China and Iran. 1508 01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:16.880 China and Iran. You want to hear that. This is 1509 01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:19.119 Jeff Van Drew. 1510 01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:24.000 He claims that Iran has stationed a so called mothership 1511 01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:27.359 off of the US East Coast, reportedly launching drones now 1512 01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:29.119 flying over New Jersey. 1513 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:32.920 In focus now, Republican Congressman Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey, 1514 01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:37.760 member of the House Judiciary Committee on the Hill. Right now, 1515 01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:40.000 how do you address this at this point? 1516 01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:42.159 Well, here's the real deal, Harris. 1517 01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:44.600 You know, I'm also on the Transportation Committee, on the 1518 01:23:44.640 --> 01:23:48.399 Aviation Subcommittee, and I've gotten to know people and from 1519 01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:54.600 very high sources, very qualified sources, very responsible sources. I'm 1520 01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:55.239 going to tell you. 1521 01:23:55.159 --> 01:23:55.800 The real deal. 1522 01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:00.479 Iran launched a mothership probably about a month month ago 1523 01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:04.920 that contains these drones. That mothership is off I'm gonna 1524 01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:07.119 tell you the deal. It's off the east coast of 1525 01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:11.159 the United States of America. They've launched thrones. Is everything 1526 01:24:11.159 --> 01:24:13.159 that we can see or hear. And again, these are 1527 01:24:13.159 --> 01:24:15.239 from high sources. I don't say this lightly. 1528 01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:15.840 Now. 1529 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:18.239 You know, we know there was a probability it could 1530 01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:21.079 have been our own government. We know it's not our 1531 01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:23.640 own government because they would have let us know it 1532 01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:24.239 could have been. 1533 01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:28.960 Did you hear that now? When I heard that line. 1534 01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:33.479 When I heard that line, I said, okay, all, I've 1535 01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:37.720 never heard of New Jersey Congressman Jeff van Drew before, 1536 01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:41.600 but he is either mentally handicapped or he's part of 1537 01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:45.560 the operation. It's we know it's not our own government 1538 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:47.159 because if they were part of this, they would have. 1539 01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:52.880 Told us what a dummy, what an absolute dummy. 1540 01:24:55.239 --> 01:24:59.199 There's some really glorified hobbyist or hobbyists that we're doing 1541 01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:03.920 something unbeliev They don't have the technology, but let's pretend 1542 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:08.119 that's possible. The third possibility with somebody, an adversarial country 1543 01:25:08.159 --> 01:25:12.279 doing this. You know that Iran made a deal with 1544 01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:16.880 China to purchase drones, motherships, and technology in order to 1545 01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:20.119 go forward. The sources I have are good. They can't 1546 01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:22.880 reveal who they are because they are speaking to me 1547 01:25:22.960 --> 01:25:27.840 in confidentiality. These drones should be shot down, whether it 1548 01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:31.720 was some crazy hobbyist that we can't imagine, or whether 1549 01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.439 it is Iran, and I think it very possibly could be. 1550 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:36.760 They should be shot down. 1551 01:25:37.319 --> 01:25:40.760 Now here's my question to you. I was thinking about 1552 01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:43.560 this a long time ago. Why don't we shoot them down? 1553 01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:49.079 Why don't we shoot them down? Then I start realizing 1554 01:25:49.079 --> 01:25:51.039 why you can't shoot them down? I was thinking about 1555 01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:54.520 this all last week. You give everybody special permission to 1556 01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:57.600 go out there and hunt turkey and deer when the 1557 01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:00.000 population gets too much, and they might rus start right 1558 01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:02.880 out onto parkways and highways around here in the Northeast. 1559 01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:06.119 But then again, you know, there's a big difference between 1560 01:26:06.119 --> 01:26:11.920 giving a few people temporary seasonal bow and arrow licenses 1561 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.920 to go hunt along the side of a highway and 1562 01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:19.319 letting anybody say, hey, you know, put you know, load 1563 01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:22.159 some slugs into that shotgun of yours, and you can 1564 01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:24.439 shoot down anything that's over your house, because you know 1565 01:26:24.479 --> 01:26:28.119 what will happen. You know what will happen. First of all, 1566 01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:30.399 you don't want property, damn. Even if this thing is 1567 01:26:31.079 --> 01:26:35.600 a foreign presence in the sky, you're talking about things falling, 1568 01:26:36.279 --> 01:26:40.000 property damage, people getting killed, hitting the head people start. 1569 01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:45.439 Then you know, people will just be shooting television, news, helicopters, 1570 01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:51.039 planes in descent. It would be nuts. It would be 1571 01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:54.159 nuts when you think about it. But then I also 1572 01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:57.560 wondered what happens if people start taking shots at these 1573 01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:01.279 things and they literally realize, they realize that they cannot 1574 01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:05.880 bring them down, that nothing's happening, that they're hitting them 1575 01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:06.920 but nothing's happening. 1576 01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:09.600 That would be interesting too write. 1577 01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:15.960 But again, what they are, they're clustered around, it's complete, 1578 01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:17.159 it's so public. 1579 01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:24.399 They're in they've got more lights than an airplane. There 1580 01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:28.960 is no real attempt here at being stealthy. 1581 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:33.119 And meanwhile, and so you would think that after a 1582 01:27:33.159 --> 01:27:36.159 while you'll get you would get some state law enforcement 1583 01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:38.640 officer coming out and saying, we heard about this over 1584 01:27:38.680 --> 01:27:41.119 the last week, we looked into it, we found the source. 1585 01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:44.720 You know, people are being investigated and blah blah blah. 1586 01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:46.600 Or telling us what the hell it was, the fact 1587 01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:50.439 that every couple of days, we have a higher and 1588 01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:55.079 higher authority coming out to affirm that nobody knows what's 1589 01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:57.800 going on. We're trying to figure this out. And then 1590 01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:00.920 we have this jockeying back and forth. This guy from California, 1591 01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:06.119 from New Jersey says that there is a mothership of 1592 01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:12.319 Iranian origin that is hanging out off the coast. Well, 1593 01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:16.079 our coast guard doesn't see this. The Carnifold cruise ships 1594 01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:18.399 don't see this. I mean, what are you talking about? 1595 01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:23.279 How advance is the Iranian Navy? I mean, I know 1596 01:28:23.359 --> 01:28:26.680 that they have taken quite a bit of quite a 1597 01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:30.159 bit of didn't they seize like a couple of gunboats. 1598 01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:30.760 Of ours a while ago? 1599 01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:34.119 Wasn't it wasn't that the Iranians that made our our 1600 01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:38.760 our navy officers cry on like one of those ransom videos. 1601 01:28:38.760 --> 01:28:41.520 It was pathetic during the Obama administration. I mean, God 1602 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:44.199 knows what they do have. They have something of value, 1603 01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:47.279 It definitely came from us. But then we have this 1604 01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:51.000 so that that that Jeff guy, the congressman from New 1605 01:28:51.079 --> 01:28:53.399 Jersey says one thing about the mothership, and then the 1606 01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:56.800 Pentagon comes out by. 1607 01:28:56.760 --> 01:28:57.640 Way of zero heads. 1608 01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:00.760 We have this one Pentagon denies Congress's claim of an 1609 01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:03.520 Iranian mothership launching drones off. 1610 01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:07.960 The US coast. So who are we supposed to believe. 1611 01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:13.359 This guy on television who had I don't know, he 1612 01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:15.800 really might have been just naive. Do you really think 1613 01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:18.159 he's part of some grand operation. I never heard of 1614 01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:22.279 him before. He might just be naive, gullible, a little 1615 01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:26.199 bit stupid to think that the United States government would 1616 01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:31.760 tell us if they were doing something weird. But maybe 1617 01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:35.720 he is naive because maybe in that state, he was 1618 01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:39.239 telling the truth that he heard from a good source 1619 01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:42.239 that there is a mothership. Perhaps it's not Iranian, but 1620 01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:45.840 maybe there is an offshore mothership. Perhaps these things are 1621 01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:52.279 coming out of the water. Maybe we're talking, you know, 1622 01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.600 I've heard all the theories about perhaps you know, these 1623 01:29:56.600 --> 01:30:02.439 things are posing as traditional drone unmanned objects that are 1624 01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:06.199 propelled by I don't know, six hour I guess that 1625 01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:07.319 you'd have to be up in the air for a 1626 01:30:07.319 --> 01:30:07.880 long time. 1627 01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:09.319 How good is the batteries? 1628 01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:11.319 Then again, you're talking about vehicles that are the size 1629 01:30:11.319 --> 01:30:16.239 of volkswagons, So it's got to be something, and you know, 1630 01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:19.239 anything that we could buy. Somebody has much better locked 1631 01:30:19.319 --> 01:30:22.800 up in some bunker somewhere. But perhaps it is far 1632 01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:26.279 advanced technology that is masking itself as something a little 1633 01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:31.439 bit more primitive by putting off some kind of you know, 1634 01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:35.800 audible hum or buzz that would be easily identified by 1635 01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:39.680 someone like you and me as you know, blades of 1636 01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:44.319 a propeller. And maybe it's just a trick. Maybe it's 1637 01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:48.399 just a way to cloak itself. Meanwhile, this thing could 1638 01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:50.560 probably dip into the ocean and just hide out there. 1639 01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:55.560 I don't know, but they want to be seen. It's 1640 01:30:55.560 --> 01:31:00.760 there for a reason. And now we're playing games with 1641 01:31:01.319 --> 01:31:05.720 the higher authorities in the country, not just in New Jersey. 1642 01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:09.680 There's not any truth to that, Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary 1643 01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:13.439 Sabrina Singh told reporters on Wednesday afternoon hours at the 1644 01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:17.520 Republican Congressman Jefferson Van Drew of New Jersey claimed on 1645 01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:21.960 Fox News that Iranian drones were flying over New Jersey skies. 1646 01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:25.319 There's no Iranian ship. Here's what she said, Jen. 1647 01:31:26.439 --> 01:31:28.840 Sabrina, can you tell me what the Pentagon is doing 1648 01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:31.840 to address this issue of drone sightings over New Jersey. 1649 01:31:31.880 --> 01:31:36.439 It's near sensitive installations, the FBI is involved, What is 1650 01:31:36.479 --> 01:31:37.439 the Pentagon. 1651 01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:40.159 Doing sure, so at this time so aware of those 1652 01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:43.239 drone sightings that have been reported. At this time, we 1653 01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:46.039 have no evidence that these activities are coming from a 1654 01:31:46.079 --> 01:31:49.359 foreign entity or the work of an adversary. We're going 1655 01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:52.960 to continue to monitor what is happening. But you know, 1656 01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:56.960 at no point where our installations threatened when this activity 1657 01:31:57.039 --> 01:31:57.520 was occurring. 1658 01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:00.640 Can you rule out that these are American drones? We're 1659 01:32:00.920 --> 01:32:01.920 with military drones. 1660 01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:06.199 These are not US military drones. Again, this is being 1661 01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:10.399 investigated by local law enforcement. What our initial assessment. 1662 01:32:09.960 --> 01:32:13.560 Here, Yeah, but I'm sure that the Yeah, local law 1663 01:32:13.640 --> 01:32:19.000 enforcement are investigating these things, even though why why hasn't 1664 01:32:19.159 --> 01:32:23.319 one been followed back to its point of origin? You 1665 01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:26.479 why after a couple of days of what the hell 1666 01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:29.399 are these things and who they belong to? They're flying 1667 01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:32.079 over my house at night? I mean, at the very least, 1668 01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:35.800 it's violating sound ordinance. No, New Jersey doesn't have sound 1669 01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:41.159 ordinances for late night and all that shit, especially if 1670 01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:43.159 you're not living next to an airfield. Especially if you 1671 01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:44.560 are living next to an airfield. 1672 01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:45.640 We do. 1673 01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:48.720 We're a couple of miles away from Westchester County Airport, 1674 01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:51.720 so there are you know, every once in a while 1675 01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:54.159 there'll be a late night plane coming in a red 1676 01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:56.920 eye or something, but for the most part, it is 1677 01:32:57.600 --> 01:33:00.279 very very low traffic at night because they don't want 1678 01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:05.439 to keep people awake. You would think after a couple 1679 01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:09.640 of days of no answers, the most the easiest thing 1680 01:33:09.680 --> 01:33:13.079 you can do is to attach one of your own 1681 01:33:13.359 --> 01:33:17.960 drones or a police helicopter to following this thing around 1682 01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:23.239 until you find out where it went. What the hell 1683 01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:27.880 are we talking about here? Follow the thing home, follow 1684 01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:35.199 it home. This is all bullshit. She also claims they're 1685 01:33:35.199 --> 01:33:38.000 not US military drones and they're trying to figure it 1686 01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:40.119 out and all that. Yeah, well that, like I said before, 1687 01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:43.039 that was a local issue. But when it was flying over, 1688 01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:46.439 I don't know if it was the Pentagon or if 1689 01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:48.800 it was CIA. 1690 01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:52.239 It's ridiculous. War Clandestine says. 1691 01:33:52.279 --> 01:33:55.199 If it's not Iran, a foreign entity, or US military, 1692 01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:59.920 that would leave intelligence community, private entity or civilian and extraterrestrial. 1693 01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:02.479 If it was private entity or civilian, they would have 1694 01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:09.960 been taken to task quick quick, because I'll tell you 1695 01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:14.359 one thing. If I had a radio transmitter and I 1696 01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:17.680 wanted to open up myself a nice little pirate radio station, 1697 01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:21.000 over here this week, I would go live for a 1698 01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:25.359 couple of hours before somebody is knocking on my door, 1699 01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:27.880 where they would have tracked me down to figure out 1700 01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:31.079 where I was transmitting, what was going on, and who 1701 01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:35.720 I was interfering with. That would have been that quickly, quickly. 1702 01:34:36.439 --> 01:34:40.880 If I opened up a legitimate pirate radio stream over here, 1703 01:34:41.239 --> 01:34:48.920 I would have been taken care of. No way, no way. 1704 01:34:50.079 --> 01:34:53.159 So that's from the Pentagon. Now we'll take a couple 1705 01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:55.880 of calls in just a second. But first I wanted 1706 01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:59.920 to I want to show you what we we threw Grock. Okay, 1707 01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:02.359 Mike from Maryland threw this to Grox at Hi Grox. 1708 01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:05.479 Check out this main news story and it's about Jeff 1709 01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:09.319 Van Drew of New Jersey the mysterious drones. 1710 01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:10.479 Take listen to this. 1711 01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:17.359 Congressman's claims, speaking on Fox News, suggested that the drones 1712 01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:20.560 might be Iranian and could be potentially from a mothership 1713 01:35:20.640 --> 01:35:21.760 launched about a month ago. 1714 01:35:22.279 --> 01:35:24.520 He emphasized, and what does that mean? Mothership? 1715 01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:28.520 Does that mean an actual seafaring ship that these things 1716 01:35:28.520 --> 01:35:34.079 are going back to landing, getting recharged, getting resupplied, and 1717 01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:39.279 then going out and conducting their missions completely uninhibited. That 1718 01:35:39.319 --> 01:35:42.119 they're going back out to a seafaring ship, or is 1719 01:35:42.159 --> 01:35:44.840 there a floating ship in the sky that has been 1720 01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:47.359 there for a couple of weeks that nobody has seen, 1721 01:35:47.479 --> 01:35:50.439 even in broad daylight. What the hell does that mean? 1722 01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:56.119 He emphasized the need for these drones to be shot 1723 01:35:56.199 --> 01:36:01.119 down due to potential threat that they pose. Pentagon's response said, no, 1724 01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:03.560 there's no evidence of an Iranian ship off the coast 1725 01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:08.000 of US or any foreign entity launching drones toward the US. 1726 01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:11.760 Context and speculation, the drone signings have led to various 1727 01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:15.399 speculations regarding their origins, including possible links to foreign surveillance 1728 01:36:15.439 --> 01:36:19.880 or even extraterrestrial activity. Yeah, official investigations by agencies like 1729 01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:23.199 the FBI have not confirmed any such connections. The FBI 1730 01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:27.840 can't even figure out why somebody would shoot hundreds of 1731 01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:32.399 people in Las Vegas. They have no clue what was 1732 01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:37.319 driving the identity lists twenty something year old that tried 1733 01:36:37.359 --> 01:36:40.800 to take out Donald Trump when the Secret Service disappeared 1734 01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:43.880 in July and left a complete open lane for him. 1735 01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:47.640 Why would you think the FBI is going to produce anything? Seriously, 1736 01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:54.600 I heard Christopher Ray stepped out today. That's nice. We'll 1737 01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:57.279 see if Cash or Patel makes that agency worth a 1738 01:36:57.399 --> 01:37:00.319 shit for a couple of years before hopefully he's shuts 1739 01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:02.840 it down and sends that back to the States as well. 1740 01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:08.720 That would be wonderful that we have here additional theories. 1741 01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:11.760 And what's going on is then another thing that we 1742 01:37:11.800 --> 01:37:20.319 threw to groc additional theories classified military technologies. There's speculation 1743 01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:23.279 that these drones could be part of US military government project. 1744 01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:26.359 Some experts suggest that they might be testing advance, possibly 1745 01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:31.439 secretive drone technology, including swarm capabilities or surveillance equipment. This 1746 01:37:31.560 --> 01:37:34.840 theory is supported by the drones advanced behavior and the 1747 01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:37.880 fact that they've been spotted near sensitive military installations like 1748 01:37:37.920 --> 01:37:40.319 the Picatinny Arsenal. 1749 01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:41.439 I'll tell you one thing. 1750 01:37:41.479 --> 01:37:43.039 It kind of reminds me of It kind of reminds 1751 01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:48.319 me of those Hunter Killers, the Hunter Killers from Terminator two. 1752 01:37:49.119 --> 01:37:51.039 You know, in the opening of Terminator two, when they're 1753 01:37:51.079 --> 01:37:54.119 in the future and they're fighting the robots and they 1754 01:37:54.119 --> 01:37:56.279 have those big drones that are coming over. Those are 1755 01:37:56.359 --> 01:37:59.960 unmanned craft looking over and those are the Hunter Killers 1756 01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:03.920 and I'm looking at those and you know, everybody right now, 1757 01:38:04.760 --> 01:38:06.640 think about if you go into the future and that 1758 01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:09.279 shit actually really becomes true. This is the moment where 1759 01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:11.000 people are looking up at those things and they're a 1760 01:38:11.039 --> 01:38:17.039 little bit unnerved. God knows where it could all go. 1761 01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:22.359 Non human intelligence. Some individuals on except suggested that drones 1762 01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:28.079 exhibit behavior more akin to unidentify to aerial phenomena or UFOs, 1763 01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:31.319 such as a silent propulsion and instant maneuvers. I didn't 1764 01:38:31.319 --> 01:38:34.520 hear any silent propulsion. I didn't see instant maneuvers. I've 1765 01:38:34.520 --> 01:38:37.800 been seeing floating over trees, floating, hovering. 1766 01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:39.239 I don't listen. 1767 01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:43.279 If I if we saw hard right angle turns at 1768 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:47.159 high speeds, we're then we're in business. We're cooking with 1769 01:38:47.239 --> 01:38:48.880 gas at that point. I didn't see any of that. 1770 01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:54.159 For an adversary surveillance. That could be one commercial or 1771 01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:56.680 defense contractor testing. That's another thing. 1772 01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:59.279 Again. If that's the case, it should be on the books. 1773 01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:02.920 I know that there is limited government oversight, but there 1774 01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:05.720 are parts of the government who know exactly who is 1775 01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:11.600 working on what projects and whatever. So it's either we're 1776 01:39:11.640 --> 01:39:15.159 not being told and everybody's lying, which seems that way, 1777 01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:18.800 a psychological operation or a false flag GROC came up 1778 01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:21.640 with this. There's a small contingent that speculates that these 1779 01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:24.880 activities might be part of a psychological operation or leading 1780 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:27.560 up to a false flag event designed to either test 1781 01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:32.199 public reaction or to justify future security measures or military actions. 1782 01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:38.199 This theory, however, lacks substantial evidence, and then radiation detection. 1783 01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:41.359 One rumor captured on X suggested that these drones might 1784 01:39:41.359 --> 01:39:45.520 be involved in searching for lost nuclear material just in 1785 01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:49.279 somebody's backyard in New Jersey, given their rumored capability to 1786 01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:53.680 detect radiation. This theory, however, remains unverified and speculative. So 1787 01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:58.439 it's really you know, it's interesting, but a lot of 1788 01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:00.760 these things are just being dragged from from the Internet 1789 01:40:00.760 --> 01:40:04.600 where everybody is trying to throw out theories because nothing 1790 01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:09.359 that is being made publicly available really makes sense at all. 1791 01:40:09.479 --> 01:40:12.439 So that's where we are right now. Today. We got 1792 01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:14.800 news of a mother ship, and. 1793 01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:18.840 Then as soon as a very confident, perhaps slightly naive 1794 01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:23.560 a member of Congress came out and made that that 1795 01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:26.520 that declaration to the world, the Pentagon reeled them back 1796 01:40:26.560 --> 01:40:28.279 and said, no, it's not true. Well where did he 1797 01:40:28.279 --> 01:40:32.760 hear that from? And what's happening? So real quick a break, 1798 01:40:32.760 --> 01:40:35.600 when we come back your calls. All topics are on 1799 01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:39.279 the table nine one four, two hundred two sixty nine. 1800 01:40:39.319 --> 01:40:40.479 See you in a second. 1801 01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:43.640 Quite frankly, uh, you know, contributed to the death of 1802 01:40:43.680 --> 01:40:46.079 seven million people because the funding of gain of function 1803 01:40:47.159 --> 01:40:48.840 experiments in the Wuhan lab. 1804 01:40:55.960 --> 01:41:26.279 What what co. 1805 01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:22.359 How? Baby? 1806 01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:22.600 Here? 1807 01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:26.880 You make me ship? 1808 01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:35.479 Shame baby dollstop take it to the top. 1809 01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:45.600 Welcome to Perpetual health minute, brought to you by quite 1810 01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:48.279 Frankly Extra extra read all about it. 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What's on 1839 01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:25.399 your mind? 1840 01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:25.920 Hey? 1841 01:43:26.600 --> 01:43:29.720 Well, just went in on the drone thing. A couple 1842 01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:31.960 of things that come out. And before I was in 1843 01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:34.439 my para, like before I was a brown tail, I 1844 01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:37.960 was actually a one thirty pilot playing a lot of 1845 01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:43.760 combat missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and whatnot, and uh a 1846 01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:46.760 lot of times like the Predator drones and some of 1847 01:43:46.800 --> 01:43:50.039 those assets were in the area, so I've gotten a 1848 01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:54.439 chance to tangle in the airspace with those guys. And 1849 01:43:55.720 --> 01:43:57.800 one of the things that's striking me about what's going 1850 01:43:57.840 --> 01:44:01.199 on with this stuff. One the light is over, so 1851 01:44:01.439 --> 01:44:05.159 it's obviously it's it's man made. It's something here. 1852 01:44:05.399 --> 01:44:09.119 Yes, And it's not only that browntail. The lighting is over, 1853 01:44:09.359 --> 01:44:13.720 it's it's it's bright. It's very very noticeable. It's also 1854 01:44:13.920 --> 01:44:18.119 these craft are allowed. They're buzzing, buzzing, buzzing there. Whatever 1855 01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:20.720 the hell is going on here, public attention is definitely 1856 01:44:20.760 --> 01:44:21.199 part of the. 1857 01:44:21.159 --> 01:44:25.720 Operation, right, Yeah, And I think it might be a 1858 01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:29.199 sy out. But but here's the thing. It's they're as 1859 01:44:29.239 --> 01:44:32.880 big as they say they are. Then it's got to 1860 01:44:32.920 --> 01:44:37.000 be a state actor or like like a sheriff department 1861 01:44:37.199 --> 01:44:40.359 or law enforcement or you know where I'm going at ye. 1862 01:44:40.880 --> 01:44:43.239 In other words, it's not just you know, Frank and 1863 01:44:43.319 --> 01:44:47.319 Branto going out to radio check and you know, putting 1864 01:44:47.319 --> 01:44:51.119 one together and harass in South Jersey shore, you know. Yeah, 1865 01:44:52.079 --> 01:44:53.560 So it's got to be it's got to be either 1866 01:44:53.600 --> 01:44:57.199 a state agency or or something like that. The other 1867 01:44:57.239 --> 01:45:04.560 thing is, if it was pure military, uh, I would 1868 01:45:04.600 --> 01:45:07.880 I would imagine that they would be more they'd have 1869 01:45:08.279 --> 01:45:11.640 NBC compatible lights in other words, for covert lighting in 1870 01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:15.680 this compatible uh lighting that's that would be on the 1871 01:45:15.760 --> 01:45:21.359 aircraft that that you could you couldn't see it with 1872 01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:23.840 the naked eye, so you need you need to have 1873 01:45:24.079 --> 01:45:27.800 mbgs or something of that kind of nature in order 1874 01:45:27.800 --> 01:45:28.359 to see it. 1875 01:45:28.840 --> 01:45:32.119 So so I would have to imagine that you're even 1876 01:45:32.119 --> 01:45:34.279 though you know as much as I do, unless you 1877 01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:38.239 know something else, you're not telling us that you're just 1878 01:45:38.239 --> 01:45:40.840 from your experience alone, you think that this is probably 1879 01:45:40.920 --> 01:45:43.439 state I. 1880 01:45:43.520 --> 01:45:46.840 So here here's my conspiracy theory. I don't know if 1881 01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:51.960 you'd be open up to it, hopefully optimistic that maybe 1882 01:45:52.039 --> 01:45:56.720 the white Hats are doing it's it's drones and let's 1883 01:45:56.760 --> 01:45:58.520 unless you're going to hang a hell fire from a 1884 01:45:58.600 --> 01:46:02.720 drone and kills so with it. The only other function 1885 01:46:02.800 --> 01:46:08.960 that serves is like surveillance, so you're tracking someone or 1886 01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:14.960 you're collecting signals intelligence from an area, see you know 1887 01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:17.279 what I mean. And so this has been contra over 1888 01:46:17.319 --> 01:46:22.279 a week. So either they're tracking movement on someone or 1889 01:46:22.319 --> 01:46:27.800 a group, or they're trying to collect and this may 1890 01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:30.319 be part of the op to see what the public 1891 01:46:30.359 --> 01:46:35.479 at large is reaction is to the stuff, because God forbid, 1892 01:46:35.479 --> 01:46:40.960 if it's a foreign state actor, first question be going 1893 01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:44.159 would be going to the Pentagon and going, why is 1894 01:46:44.159 --> 01:46:48.199 our sovereign air spaulated by the freaking Iranians? That maybe 1895 01:46:48.319 --> 01:46:51.479 part of the all, all of a sudden, now you've got 1896 01:46:51.479 --> 01:46:53.920 a couple of Iranians in a fucking road, but part 1897 01:46:53.960 --> 01:46:56.800 of my French a couple of Iranians in a rowboat, 1898 01:46:56.920 --> 01:47:00.920 you know, launching these things off the Jersey shore. You 1899 01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:03.800 know that does bid well to the taxpayer? 1900 01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:04.560 You know what I'm saying? 1901 01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:09.079 No, absolutely, And again I think I think that what 1902 01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:12.479 you lay out there just I think reinforces everything else 1903 01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:16.600 that most people are are thinking at this time, because 1904 01:47:16.640 --> 01:47:18.640 it's one thing to have for this to have been 1905 01:47:18.680 --> 01:47:22.119 a for this to have been a forty eight hour 1906 01:47:22.199 --> 01:47:25.039 to seventy two hour mystery. Everybody's trying to figure out 1907 01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:29.000 who the who the the pranksters are that are harassing 1908 01:47:29.079 --> 01:47:31.840 the quiet, sleepy countryside of New Jersey. 1909 01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:33.199 But now here we. 1910 01:47:33.119 --> 01:47:37.000 Are in two weeks and they have rolled out every 1911 01:47:37.119 --> 01:47:41.199 kind of spokesperson from every intelligence head that they can find, 1912 01:47:41.359 --> 01:47:46.199 and the ambiguity with which they speak is really something else? 1913 01:47:46.239 --> 01:47:50.359 Thank you for the call, Browntail. That's something else. Is 1914 01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:50.960 this for real? 1915 01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:55.479 Hold on, somebody just sent me something about the chick 1916 01:47:55.560 --> 01:48:01.159 that slept with one hundred men in one day porn 1917 01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:05.359 star so and so her name is Lily. Test positive 1918 01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:10.079 for chlamydia, gonorrhea, and HSV two after sleeping with one 1919 01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:11.199 hundred men in one day? 1920 01:48:11.520 --> 01:48:14.439 Is this for real? Only? 1921 01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:17.119 The only reason why I ask is because I'm surprised 1922 01:48:17.119 --> 01:48:21.680 that she only has three sexually transmitted diseases. But then again, 1923 01:48:23.239 --> 01:48:26.000 twenty guys probably had chlamydia and it's only going to 1924 01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:26.600 count once. 1925 01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:31.800 God, this is sick. Oh, this is sick. The world 1926 01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:33.399 needs to heal. The rule. 1927 01:48:34.920 --> 01:48:37.880 Really needs to heal. I was so scared. I was 1928 01:48:37.920 --> 01:48:40.840 so scared about STDs and shit when I was single. 1929 01:48:42.359 --> 01:48:46.800 I remember one of the first, one of the first, 1930 01:48:47.039 --> 01:48:50.079 I think, the one of the oldest conversations I remember 1931 01:48:50.720 --> 01:48:54.479 having with Rob. We were at the gym that we 1932 01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:59.039 both worked at, and I was nervous about a you know, 1933 01:48:59.199 --> 01:49:05.840 a yearly st D check years ago, and then I 1934 01:49:05.840 --> 01:49:06.880 told him I don't know, man. 1935 01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:09.840 I just can't. I think I got AIDS. 1936 01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:13.000 I have AIDS, and Rob like one of the first 1937 01:49:13.119 --> 01:49:17.600 conversations I remember having with Rob is him telling me how. 1938 01:49:18.960 --> 01:49:20.840 Almost impossible it is. 1939 01:49:22.479 --> 01:49:25.680 To get AIDS unless you are unless you've got like, 1940 01:49:25.800 --> 01:49:28.079 you know, open up, forget about it. He was just 1941 01:49:28.119 --> 01:49:29.880 calming me down, you don't have aids. 1942 01:49:30.159 --> 01:49:33.720 Stop it. This woman lines up for a hundred people. 1943 01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:37.039 Oh my gosh, what the Hell's I ever worried about 1944 01:49:37.039 --> 01:49:40.279 the way that some people live. I mean, I wasn't 1945 01:49:40.279 --> 01:49:44.000 a saint, but the way that some people live, that's 1946 01:49:44.079 --> 01:49:44.680 just horrible. 1947 01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:47.399 Anyway, let's take it to the call, shall we? Four 1948 01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:53.840 zero four eight zero. You're on the air. Go ahead? Hey, 1949 01:49:53.880 --> 01:49:55.640 Who's this is? 1950 01:49:55.720 --> 01:49:56.960 Luke with from Arizona. 1951 01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:00.439 Hey, Luke, how are you good? How are you doing well? 1952 01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:00.840 Doing well? 1953 01:50:00.880 --> 01:50:00.960 So? 1954 01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:01.840 What do you think about tonight? 1955 01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:07.560 Tonight's awesome? Good night? Love to talk to Jay. The 1956 01:50:07.640 --> 01:50:11.800 drone thing, like has anyone in New Jersey ever from 1957 01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:13.079 the drone towards it? 1958 01:50:14.079 --> 01:50:15.720 Oh see, you know that's that's the thing I have 1959 01:50:15.840 --> 01:50:18.159 not heard from anybody. And I'm waiting for somebody to 1960 01:50:18.199 --> 01:50:22.279 say and to bring up something as I don't know. 1961 01:50:22.720 --> 01:50:23.600 Logical as that. 1962 01:50:24.000 --> 01:50:26.279 As I said before, like this, when this got to 1963 01:50:26.439 --> 01:50:30.000 like seventy two hour territory, and now local and state 1964 01:50:30.039 --> 01:50:33.199 authorities are bringing are having their attention to be brought 1965 01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:35.800 to it by citizens constantly. You would think that they 1966 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:38.039 would at least put a police copter in the air 1967 01:50:38.680 --> 01:50:42.079 to just do the rounds and follow this thing back 1968 01:50:42.119 --> 01:50:44.199 to wherever the hell it's going to go, or to 1969 01:50:44.239 --> 01:50:46.319 at least follow it until it runs out of batteries 1970 01:50:46.319 --> 01:50:48.359 and then recover it to try to get some data 1971 01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:52.000 out of it. You know, it's it's it's nonsensical, is 1972 01:50:52.039 --> 01:50:54.159 how this situation has been treated for the last. 1973 01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:55.039 Couple of weeks. 1974 01:50:55.800 --> 01:50:59.159 Yeah, for sure. It'd definitely be interesting to see what 1975 01:50:59.199 --> 01:51:01.279 would happen if someone got close to it with the drone. 1976 01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:03.000 Yeah, yeah, it would be. 1977 01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:05.319 It would be and and I would hope that somebody 1978 01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:08.520 would be ready to do that. And nothing yet, So 1979 01:51:08.560 --> 01:51:11.960 you're you're thinking on the right track. But apparently they 1980 01:51:11.960 --> 01:51:13.840 can't get their shit together out there in Jersey. 1981 01:51:15.319 --> 01:51:15.560 Yeah. 1982 01:51:16.199 --> 01:51:19.319 I don't believe anything that the Pentagon's telling us. That's 1983 01:51:19.359 --> 01:51:20.640 all bull crap for sure. 1984 01:51:21.199 --> 01:51:25.640 Yeah, the Pentagon seemed to be in like damage control. 1985 01:51:25.720 --> 01:51:28.800 Then again, it could also be just kabuki theater where 1986 01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:32.600 the guy they probably it's not out of the realm 1987 01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:35.880 of possibility for the guy from New Jersey to have 1988 01:51:36.079 --> 01:51:41.239 had that information planted with him from a reliable source. 1989 01:51:41.640 --> 01:51:44.199 He feels like he needs to go and tell the public. 1990 01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:48.399 And then the Pentagon who planted the initial information with 1991 01:51:48.479 --> 01:51:53.079 this guy can go out there and deny it and 1992 01:51:53.119 --> 01:51:56.720 create discord and confusion and mixed messages. And that's how 1993 01:51:56.760 --> 01:51:59.439 you control public perception as well, and you keep building 1994 01:51:59.479 --> 01:52:02.640 up the curate. It's almost like you know that the lottery. 1995 01:52:02.840 --> 01:52:05.760 The lottery goes past a billion dollars and suddenly everybody's 1996 01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:06.880 paying attention to it, you know. 1997 01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:12.479 Yeah, anyway, Yeah, I just called to tell you rock 1998 01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:14.720 for years. 1999 01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:16.560 Thank you, Luke, and I hope to hear from you 2000 01:52:16.600 --> 01:52:20.359 again soon. You all right, take care of there you go. 2001 01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:25.279 There's Luke in Arizona having a good night, having a 2002 01:52:25.319 --> 01:52:31.239 good night indeed. Okay, what else do I have over here? 2003 01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:38.279 Oh? Here's a call Timothy Gordon. Were you listening tonight? 2004 01:52:40.119 --> 01:52:40.359 Yeah? 2005 01:52:40.359 --> 01:52:41.560 I was. I was in and out. 2006 01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:44.600 Oh nothing much, dude, but nothing much. 2007 01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:44.880 You know. 2008 01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:48.239 It's usually we have a at least a little bit 2009 01:52:48.279 --> 01:52:51.279 of time to talk to each other every Christmas season, 2010 01:52:51.359 --> 01:52:53.279 So who knows what comes up? Over the next week 2011 01:52:53.359 --> 01:52:56.199 or so. But uh, I don't know. We only have 2012 01:52:56.319 --> 01:52:58.359 about eight minutes left over here. Do you have anything 2013 01:52:58.359 --> 01:53:00.640 that you wanted to add to tonight's converse? It was 2014 01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:04.439 a lot about a lot about, of course, the the 2015 01:53:04.960 --> 01:53:10.239 the rebunking of Christmas by going against all of the 2016 01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:14.279 popular debunks that pop up around this time, with the 2017 01:53:14.439 --> 01:53:19.319 overlays of paganism and everything else to try to diminish 2018 01:53:19.359 --> 01:53:23.720 the importance and significance of the holidays. So I don't 2019 01:53:23.720 --> 01:53:26.199 know what you usually like to bring up around this 2020 01:53:26.279 --> 01:53:28.880 time of year whenever that topic pops up, but I'd 2021 01:53:28.880 --> 01:53:30.560 love to hear your strongest points. 2022 01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:35.000 Well, maybe we should do a show on some of 2023 01:53:35.039 --> 01:53:38.720 the Nativity symbols. But Jimmy Aikin has a great treatment 2024 01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:42.359 of December the twenty fifth and all of the scientific 2025 01:53:42.359 --> 01:53:45.520 evidence for December the twenty fifth, and why it's not 2026 01:53:45.680 --> 01:53:50.920 just a mythic recreation of old creation narratives or whatever. 2027 01:53:51.079 --> 01:53:54.359 It's a ridiculous story. There's a lot of strong evidence 2028 01:53:56.119 --> 01:54:03.479 even surrounding the shout of that demonstrates that it was 2029 01:54:03.600 --> 01:54:09.359 winter of this either. You know that they're that that 2030 01:54:09.479 --> 01:54:13.479 basically all of the Christian timeline is accurate for both 2031 01:54:13.520 --> 01:54:15.439 the birth and the death of Christ. And I guess 2032 01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:17.560 we don't. We don't have the time to get into 2033 01:54:17.600 --> 01:54:21.159 it all right now. But also I directed you, Frank, 2034 01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:24.399 because you'd asked to an article i'd written seven or 2035 01:54:24.399 --> 01:54:27.439 eight years ago about all of the you know, the 2036 01:54:27.439 --> 01:54:32.039 Shepherd's crook and the shepherds themselves and the Star itself, 2037 01:54:32.680 --> 01:54:35.359 some really really cool anagogical stuff. 2038 01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:36.119 Uh. 2039 01:54:36.239 --> 01:54:41.720 That's that's true, both historically and anagogically about the Christmas. 2040 01:54:41.880 --> 01:54:43.840 Uh iconography. 2041 01:54:44.279 --> 01:54:46.840 Hey, you know, let me ask you this. I might 2042 01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:49.800 have asked you before, but since we're going to be 2043 01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:52.560 airing it after the show concludes in a few minutes 2044 01:54:52.600 --> 01:54:56.680 on on the website, did you ever watch the Star 2045 01:54:56.720 --> 01:54:58.039 of Bethlehem documentary? 2046 01:55:00.199 --> 01:55:02.640 No, I need to watch it was I was thinking 2047 01:55:02.680 --> 01:55:04.600 of getting it out and showing the family just because 2048 01:55:04.640 --> 01:55:07.479 you brought it up with me on the phone earlier. 2049 01:55:07.600 --> 01:55:09.640 But I need to have you. 2050 01:55:10.319 --> 01:55:14.039 I did watch it. I watched it a couple of times, 2051 01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:16.920 maybe about two years ago. I didn't watch it last year, 2052 01:55:17.159 --> 01:55:19.439 but I remembered early enough this year to say we 2053 01:55:19.520 --> 01:55:22.960 have to have that in rotation for the for the show, 2054 01:55:23.079 --> 01:55:25.319 or in at least after hours, so tonight around nine 2055 01:55:25.439 --> 01:55:28.159 thirty Eastern time, so that'll be about you're in central 2056 01:55:28.279 --> 01:55:32.239 right about about eight thirty on my website is when 2057 01:55:32.439 --> 01:55:33.359 it's going to start. 2058 01:55:33.439 --> 01:55:36.000 And if you've got any time, you get to peek 2059 01:55:36.039 --> 01:55:36.520 in on it. 2060 01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:40.800 I mean, it's, you know, from an astronomical standpoint, you 2061 01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:43.279 want to talk about the gears of the clock working 2062 01:55:43.520 --> 01:55:50.720 in perfect chorus to create a incredible turn of events 2063 01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:53.520 at just the right time. I mean, how the stars 2064 01:55:54.079 --> 01:55:56.920 are aligned to tell the very same story you're talking 2065 01:55:56.920 --> 01:55:59.399 about here. I mean, it's just like you know, the 2066 01:55:59.720 --> 01:56:02.239 universe is falling in line. It's an incredible story. You 2067 01:56:02.279 --> 01:56:03.279 should take a listen to it. 2068 01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:07.359 Maybe I will. I've heard that and I know some 2069 01:56:07.399 --> 01:56:10.840 of the facts, and I think Jimmy Aiken with Catholic 2070 01:56:10.920 --> 01:56:14.159 Answers has done a good job telling some at least 2071 01:56:14.199 --> 01:56:16.600 part of the same story. So but I'd love to. 2072 01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:19.199 I'd love to take a look. And it's a great 2073 01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:22.000 service you do this time of the year, Frank, by 2074 01:56:22.039 --> 01:56:26.239 always covering this stuff as objectively as you can objectively, 2075 01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:30.359 it just ends up vindicating the Christian worldview. 2076 01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:33.640 Well, it's always great to have people like you hanging 2077 01:56:33.680 --> 01:56:36.560 out with us whenever we whenever in need and as 2078 01:56:36.560 --> 01:56:38.840 well just in leisure time too. 2079 01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:39.960 But I have it right here. 2080 01:56:40.640 --> 01:56:43.560 You wrote it in twenty eighteen, the most overlooked Images 2081 01:56:43.600 --> 01:56:46.039 of the Nativity. Maybe you come on next week. I'll 2082 01:56:46.039 --> 01:56:47.399 talk to you after the show and we'll get that. 2083 01:56:47.560 --> 01:56:48.520 We'll get that ready to go. 2084 01:56:49.800 --> 01:56:52.439 Awesome, man, Yeah, I just wanted to say, great, great 2085 01:56:52.479 --> 01:56:55.159 work with Jay. I do a Lord of the Rings 2086 01:56:55.159 --> 01:56:59.159 reading group, that same one that I started last Hoobbit day. 2087 01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:03.399 We're just finishing the trilogy. You were originally going to 2088 01:57:03.439 --> 01:57:05.640 be in on that. We were starting September the twenty 2089 01:57:05.680 --> 01:57:09.399 second of twenty three. We're just finishing, doing a chapter 2090 01:57:09.479 --> 01:57:14.199 a week, the complete trilogy. And I had that until 2091 01:57:14.840 --> 01:57:17.159 what would be eight year time, but then I put 2092 01:57:17.199 --> 01:57:20.399 on you and Jay finishing up. And it's good news 2093 01:57:20.399 --> 01:57:22.840 that Alex Jones won is Judgment and all. 2094 01:57:22.800 --> 01:57:26.279 That looks good. You see. That's what I'm talking about, man. 2095 01:57:26.359 --> 01:57:29.119 I was thinking about the Hobbit and and the three 2096 01:57:29.279 --> 01:57:33.479 they did, the three books, and I was saying, you 2097 01:57:33.479 --> 01:57:37.319 know what those big trilogies, I just I don't know. 2098 01:57:37.439 --> 01:57:40.560 That's the fact that you're almost two years in and 2099 01:57:40.600 --> 01:57:43.159 you're just about to wrap it all up. I would 2100 01:57:43.239 --> 01:57:45.479 love doing that, but I feel like, how how many 2101 01:57:45.520 --> 01:57:48.079 people have dropped off over the course of over the 2102 01:57:48.079 --> 01:57:50.640 course of time, because that's my biggest fear doing a 2103 01:57:50.680 --> 01:57:52.880 big book or a part of a series, is that 2104 01:57:53.279 --> 01:57:55.760 people will just drop off like flies. 2105 01:57:57.439 --> 01:58:01.800 Yeah, yeah, they did. It was probably probably sixty to 2106 01:58:01.880 --> 01:58:03.520 seventy percent attrition. 2107 01:58:03.239 --> 01:58:04.000 Right damn. 2108 01:58:04.520 --> 01:58:08.680 And we wound up with like six true blue Troopers 2109 01:58:09.239 --> 01:58:11.880 who saw it all the way through. I don't know 2110 01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:13.279 if you know the structure of the Lord of the 2111 01:58:13.359 --> 01:58:18.600 Rings trilogy, but every book of the three hardback books 2112 01:58:19.119 --> 01:58:21.359 is actually comprised by book you know, book one and 2113 01:58:21.399 --> 01:58:23.720 Book two, and scholarship book three and book four. She 2114 01:58:23.800 --> 01:58:27.000 tires book five and book six in Return of the King, 2115 01:58:27.560 --> 01:58:30.079 and I just said, because I wanted to be done 2116 01:58:30.119 --> 01:58:32.760 by Christmas, I said, all right, for book six, the 2117 01:58:32.800 --> 01:58:35.239 second half of Return to the King, we're going two 2118 01:58:35.319 --> 01:58:39.000 chapters a week, and we wouldn't even be finished by Christy. 2119 01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:41.640 It would be February March before he'd be finished if 2120 01:58:41.640 --> 01:58:44.479 we kept going at the one chapter a week pace. 2121 01:58:44.800 --> 01:58:46.840 So, you know, at least I. 2122 01:58:46.720 --> 01:58:48.439 Thought, I still think about that. 2123 01:58:48.520 --> 01:58:52.279 First the first book club session, you and me doing 2124 01:58:52.439 --> 01:58:55.319 wind Swept House that was over six hundred pages, and 2125 01:58:55.439 --> 01:58:58.520 we were doing about sixty to sometimes. 2126 01:58:58.760 --> 01:59:00.159 I don't know if I felt that. I think it 2127 01:59:00.199 --> 01:59:01.399 went like thirteen weeks. 2128 01:59:01.720 --> 01:59:05.399 I think after that book, I started doing anywhere from 2129 01:59:05.720 --> 01:59:08.079 for a thicker book, anywhere from eighty to one hundred 2130 01:59:08.119 --> 01:59:11.279 pages a week, just because you know, oh it's crazy, 2131 01:59:11.720 --> 01:59:14.159 just because we wanted to get these things done within 2132 01:59:14.720 --> 01:59:16.840 a month so that we can read at least five 2133 01:59:16.880 --> 01:59:19.720 books a year. But so it always makes me wonder 2134 01:59:19.880 --> 01:59:21.920 how long the book is going to be Fahrenheit four 2135 01:59:22.000 --> 01:59:24.119 or five one. And I didn't realize how short it 2136 01:59:24.239 --> 01:59:26.000 was because when I bought it, it was it's a 2137 01:59:26.039 --> 01:59:28.359 thick book. But I realized that half of the book 2138 01:59:28.800 --> 01:59:33.359 was all extra material and interviews with Ray Bradberry and 2139 01:59:33.399 --> 01:59:35.319 everything else like that, It's going to be like a 2140 01:59:35.359 --> 01:59:37.760 forty page read in January. 2141 01:59:37.800 --> 01:59:39.279 But I guess that's good to start a new year, 2142 01:59:40.560 --> 01:59:41.680 you know, something a little bit short. 2143 01:59:42.319 --> 01:59:45.119 Yeah, but yeah, I was getting I kept getting behind 2144 01:59:45.159 --> 01:59:48.359 on wind Sweat. The Great Divorce was I think the 2145 01:59:48.399 --> 01:59:52.640 second one we did together in reading group, and that 2146 01:59:52.760 --> 01:59:55.000 was that was my page we were doing. We were 2147 01:59:55.039 --> 01:59:58.279 doing forty pages per week. I think with that, but. 2148 01:59:58.640 --> 02:00:01.359 Well, maybe maybe you'll join and me and Uh. 2149 02:00:01.640 --> 02:00:04.119 I mean, you don't have to co host obviously, I'll 2150 02:00:04.159 --> 02:00:06.800 just be doing it with Steven, Jonathan and UH in 2151 02:00:06.920 --> 02:00:10.359 March leading up to Easter. But we're doing the the 2152 02:00:10.439 --> 02:00:13.399 sequel to the Robe. We're doing The Big Fishermen now 2153 02:00:13.439 --> 02:00:15.640 in March. You should you should read the Robe real 2154 02:00:15.720 --> 02:00:17.319 quick and then you should get in on the Big 2155 02:00:17.359 --> 02:00:18.079 Fishermen Man. 2156 02:00:19.399 --> 02:00:21.159 Okay, maybe maybe I'll do that. 2157 02:00:21.279 --> 02:00:22.439 You love it, You would love it. 2158 02:00:22.479 --> 02:00:24.840 The Robe was really sensational last year, and it was 2159 02:00:24.840 --> 02:00:27.960 so well timed. You should read along and actually read 2160 02:00:28.000 --> 02:00:31.159 along to the sessions that we archived on the show. 2161 02:00:31.199 --> 02:00:33.760 I'll send you the whole the whole series. That'll be good. 2162 02:00:35.159 --> 02:00:37.720 Okay, you did that with That's a little book, isn't it. 2163 02:00:37.880 --> 02:00:40.000 No, No, it was. It was over. 2164 02:00:40.479 --> 02:00:43.520 It was over three hundred pages, I think, but it was. 2165 02:00:44.119 --> 02:00:47.119 It was so it was magical, dude, it really was awesome. 2166 02:00:47.159 --> 02:00:49.000 There's a there's quite a few people who had like 2167 02:00:49.960 --> 02:00:54.159 they're they were already on the path to reversion or conversion, 2168 02:00:54.319 --> 02:00:58.199 and that reading session was really sensational. 2169 02:00:58.239 --> 02:00:59.119 I got to send it to you. 2170 02:01:00.079 --> 02:01:01.640 Oh, with you and with you and Steven. 2171 02:01:01.880 --> 02:01:03.880 Yeah, oh, that's. 2172 02:01:03.680 --> 02:01:04.119 Dope, man. 2173 02:01:04.199 --> 02:01:06.960 Yeah, maybe maybe I'll try to catch out and read 2174 02:01:06.960 --> 02:01:10.359 it with you guys in March, starting on what ash Wednesday. 2175 02:01:10.800 --> 02:01:13.840 That well last year, last year, I remember the first 2176 02:01:13.880 --> 02:01:17.239 session was right before. It was crazy how it all 2177 02:01:17.279 --> 02:01:20.000 lined up because the first session. 2178 02:01:21.239 --> 02:01:22.560 Ended. I don't know if you know. 2179 02:01:22.520 --> 02:01:25.000 The the the plot. I gotta, I gotta wrap this 2180 02:01:25.079 --> 02:01:28.520 up now. But the plot is you have this Roman 2181 02:01:28.600 --> 02:01:32.359 centurion and you have his slave. He gets in trouble 2182 02:01:32.359 --> 02:01:34.439 in Rome, and he's kind of like punished by being 2183 02:01:34.479 --> 02:01:38.760 sent out to Palestine to be in the Holy Land 2184 02:01:38.800 --> 02:01:41.520 and looking out for one of these you know, these 2185 02:01:41.600 --> 02:01:44.279 kind of like dust bin garrisons out there, and he 2186 02:01:44.359 --> 02:01:46.319 happens to be in the Holy Land for the time 2187 02:01:46.359 --> 02:01:49.680 of the Crucifixion. In fact, he's actually charged with being 2188 02:01:50.039 --> 02:01:54.840 the one the executioners, and and it's it's an incredible 2189 02:01:54.880 --> 02:01:57.159 faith journey there for not only the slave, but the 2190 02:01:57.159 --> 02:02:00.640 centurion and the the the grappling over the road that 2191 02:02:00.720 --> 02:02:05.039 Jesus wore. But the first session that we had, the 2192 02:02:05.159 --> 02:02:10.880 reading ended on Demetrius the slaves observing of Jesus coming 2193 02:02:10.880 --> 02:02:16.079 into Jerusalem on the donkey, on on on Palm Sunday 2194 02:02:16.159 --> 02:02:19.199 and We read it the day after Palm Sunday and 2195 02:02:19.239 --> 02:02:22.000 it just felt so everything out of line for that book. 2196 02:02:22.039 --> 02:02:24.399 It was really awesome, and I think that you'll fly 2197 02:02:24.560 --> 02:02:27.800 through it because I know Stephen and his wife. His 2198 02:02:27.880 --> 02:02:29.840 wife jumped on for it too because she was so 2199 02:02:29.960 --> 02:02:32.159 curious and she finished the book before all of us. 2200 02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:33.640 So I think you're gonna love it. 2201 02:02:34.760 --> 02:02:37.319 Say say, yeah, she's a great lady. Yeah yeah, maybe 2202 02:02:37.319 --> 02:02:37.800 I'll do that. 2203 02:02:37.840 --> 02:02:38.039 Man. 2204 02:02:38.640 --> 02:02:40.840 Well, I know you got to go, but let's do 2205 02:02:41.159 --> 02:02:44.279 the Hidden Symbols of the Civity next week sometime, and 2206 02:02:45.520 --> 02:02:46.960 always looking for a collab with you. 2207 02:02:47.199 --> 02:02:47.479 Frank. 2208 02:02:47.520 --> 02:02:49.079 All right, brother, I'll talk to you a little bit. 2209 02:02:49.199 --> 02:02:52.880 Have a great night. There you go, ladies and gentlemen. 2210 02:02:53.279 --> 02:02:55.680 Even a call from Timothy Gordon. All right, it's nine 2211 02:02:55.720 --> 02:02:57.920 o'clock on the dot. It's almost like I planned it 2212 02:02:57.960 --> 02:03:01.520 that way. So I'll see you guys at some point tomorrow. 2213 02:03:01.520 --> 02:03:02.199 I'll go live. 2214 02:03:03.720 --> 02:03:06.159 I should be able to get home at some point 2215 02:03:06.239 --> 02:03:09.279 and go live from Studio B at least just for 2216 02:03:09.319 --> 02:03:11.359 an hour and do some calls. There will be no 2217 02:03:11.439 --> 02:03:17.000 seven o'clock show though, because we're taking Aurora to Christmas Castle, 2218 02:03:17.479 --> 02:03:21.159 and hopefully I can be live from there around broadcast 2219 02:03:21.239 --> 02:03:23.920 time on my phone, but if there is not enough 2220 02:03:23.960 --> 02:03:26.720 service I will be taking a lot of footage again 2221 02:03:26.840 --> 02:03:30.640 that we can analyze with my family on December twenty third, 2222 02:03:30.640 --> 02:03:33.560 when we have that family broadcast. So no show tomorrow 2223 02:03:34.119 --> 02:03:36.840 and at least in the form that you know it, 2224 02:03:37.199 --> 02:03:40.159 and I'll see you on Friday night, seven o'clock right here, 2225 02:03:40.279 --> 02:03:42.079 no doubt about it. Let me see make sure that 2226 02:03:42.119 --> 02:03:45.039 nobody else has left any super chats. I didn't see, 2227 02:03:45.199 --> 02:03:49.119 Gino says always love when my two favorites get together. 2228 02:03:49.199 --> 02:03:51.279 Sorry I couldn't see it live. Love to you and 2229 02:03:51.319 --> 02:03:55.560 the family of Francis look forward to seeing this show tomorrow. Well, 2230 02:03:55.880 --> 02:03:58.199 I'm so happy and I can't wait to hear what 2231 02:03:58.279 --> 02:04:01.079 you think because I love doing tonight broadcast. It was fun, 2232 02:04:01.560 --> 02:04:04.600 Paul says, Hey, Frank regarding the drones mothership, it could 2233 02:04:04.600 --> 02:04:07.359 be a club k system in a cargo ship off 2234 02:04:07.439 --> 02:04:11.319 the coast. I remember Project Pelican, the Kenyan handed off 2235 02:04:11.359 --> 02:04:15.239 control of some of our ports to shady outfit. Thanks always, 2236 02:04:15.279 --> 02:04:20.439 Merry Christmas, Frankly, there's a theory. There's a theory, But 2237 02:04:20.520 --> 02:04:24.279 regardless of what kind of a cargo ship it is, 2238 02:04:24.479 --> 02:04:27.600 if it's seafaring or if it's something else, there's gotta 2239 02:04:27.640 --> 02:04:30.239 be a way to follow this thing back to it's 2240 02:04:30.319 --> 02:04:36.640 doc It's got to be something, all right. The Sentinel says. 2241 02:04:36.720 --> 02:04:38.960 The drone distraction has a purpose, just like the big 2242 02:04:39.000 --> 02:04:42.479 white balloons did last year, like there isn't enough other 2243 02:04:42.560 --> 02:04:46.000 problems to worry about Syria, Ukraine, Israel, et cetera. And 2244 02:04:46.039 --> 02:04:48.960 it gets the Daniel Penny win out of the headlines. 2245 02:04:49.399 --> 02:04:52.960 January twentieth, twenty twenty five can't come quick enough. I'm 2246 02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:55.399 with you on that one, Sentinel, and thank you all 2247 02:04:55.399 --> 02:04:58.119 so much for watching. I'll see you tomorrow at some point. 2248 02:04:59.159 --> 02:05:03.479 And yeah, become a sponsor, go do some Christmas shopping 2249 02:05:03.520 --> 02:05:06.000 on the affiliates page on quite frankly dot tv and 2250 02:05:06.119 --> 02:05:09.640 starting in just a couple of moments is quite frankly 2251 02:05:09.800 --> 02:05:12.800 after hours. And just to say once again for you 2252 02:05:12.880 --> 02:05:15.560 guys who may have missed it, here's what you have. 2253 02:05:15.640 --> 02:05:17.920 And I really think that you should treat yourself tonight. 2254 02:05:18.560 --> 02:05:23.880 We have to open up suspicious observers, dark comets, magnetic polls, shifts, 2255 02:05:23.880 --> 02:05:26.479 solar flares. That's only a couple of minutes for long report. 2256 02:05:26.680 --> 02:05:28.800 Then you have speak life. This is about a twenty 2257 02:05:28.800 --> 02:05:32.640 five minute long video. Bill Maher and Stephen Fry debunked 2258 02:05:32.640 --> 02:05:37.319 over Christian Christmas myths. That's about twenty five minutes long, 2259 02:05:37.560 --> 02:05:40.399 and that'll bring you right to about nine thirty nine 2260 02:05:40.560 --> 02:05:43.520 thirty five, that is when Rick Larsen's The Star of 2261 02:05:43.520 --> 02:05:46.079 Bethlehem begins, and that'll be about an hour or so 2262 02:05:47.560 --> 02:05:51.119 and it is worth it. Sit back, relax and just 2263 02:05:51.319 --> 02:05:54.119 take it in all right. I'll be watching with you. 2264 02:05:54.279 --> 02:05:56.800 I'll jump into the chat from time to time. Have 2265 02:05:56.840 --> 02:06:01.840 a great night, ladies and gentlemen. Goodbye. Of course, of. 2266 02:06:01.800 --> 02:06:06.479 Course I'll catch you on the flip side. 2267 02:06:16.439 --> 02:06:19.760 Quite Frankly is film for a live studio audience. And 2268 02:06:19.840 --> 02:06:26.119 now our super chatters starring Gino, Paul, Jay Britz Stoves Tube, 2269 02:06:26.399 --> 02:06:29.119 Jay Semmo on the Rumble rants into all of our 2270 02:06:29.159 --> 02:06:32.159 wonderful friends on the Gold Pills. I am releasing the 2271 02:06:32.199 --> 02:06:35.279 Scratch and right now and also dumping out the Treasure 2272 02:06:35.399 --> 02:06:37.880 Chest on d Live. I'll see you after hours on 2273 02:06:38.000 --> 02:06:41.039 quite frankly dot TV. My friends, thank you for the evening. 2274 02:07:13.119 --> 02:07:13.439 Well you 2275 02:07:17.680 --> 02:07:20.239 Will you shut up, you