1
00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,960
Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody. I hope you're having a good night.

2
00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,480
It's definitely an honor of mind to be here with

3
00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:12,079
you on this Wednesday, December eleventh, twenty twenty four. Make

4
00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,719
yourself at home, pour yourself a cup of something hot

5
00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,200
or cold. It's up to you. But it's a it's

6
00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,920
a pretty rainy day over here. It's not a white

7
00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,480
Christmas yet. I wonderful we'll have one of those again

8
00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,200
sometime soon. It'd be really, really nothing debilitating, but just

9
00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:32,760
to add.

10
00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:35,120
Speaker 2: A little bit of a glow, a.

11
00:01:35,159 --> 00:01:37,840
Speaker 1: Layer of something on top of all the Christmas lights,

12
00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:43,000
so you get that nice sub snow level, surface level glow.

13
00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,439
Speaker 2: You know that what I'm talking about.

14
00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,040
Speaker 1: I love that if we can get a well timed

15
00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,879
for the actual holiday, something again not debilitating, so people

16
00:01:50,879 --> 00:01:52,439
can still get in their cars and get to their

17
00:01:52,439 --> 00:01:56,040
destinations safely. But you know, what do you want? You

18
00:01:56,079 --> 00:02:02,760
can't have everything. You can't have everything. As the barber,

19
00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,719
the Russian barber told me when I was fifteen, and

20
00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,759
he said that my hair was thinning, said, what are

21
00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,479
you talking about? He saw something that I didn't. I

22
00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:16,319
should have listened to him instead, I hated him.

23
00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:16,960
Speaker 2: What I was gonna do.

24
00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,319
Speaker 1: Even if I did listen to him, get get what

25
00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:23,520
go start with Rogaine. At least I managed to get

26
00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,719
through college without it being noticeable. And then it was well,

27
00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:28,879
I told the story before the hell we're talking about

28
00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,400
snow on Christmas. Now it's back to hair anyway. I

29
00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:36,280
like shaving my head, so go to hell. So here's

30
00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:42,840
what I have for you tonight. Jay Dyer is returning

31
00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:45,759
to talk a little bit about Christmas. You know, every

32
00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,080
year around this time, the Marxist d bonkers out there.

33
00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:52,319
They set out to pick apart the significance of the

34
00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,520
Christmas story and tradition and everything and reduce it to

35
00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,439
a short list of recycled myths from all over the place.

36
00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:03,960
And you know, some of it we've addressed over the

37
00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,800
years other times, no matter how much they have been

38
00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:14,439
you know, rebunked, they just keep coming back. And I'm

39
00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:19,319
more of a curious guy who has my biases and

40
00:03:19,439 --> 00:03:23,159
my prejudices and where I lean. I leave those out

41
00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:25,280
there for everybody to see. But at the same time,

42
00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:27,400
I ask questions and I take the answers that I

43
00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:31,360
get back, and from there we form better questions or

44
00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:32,479
better understandings.

45
00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,759
Speaker 2: That's all it's about and tonight.

46
00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,960
Speaker 1: I have more tonight because this is the time of year,

47
00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:41,039
around the eleventh day of December. Yeah, we're getting there,

48
00:03:41,039 --> 00:03:44,159
getting closer and closer. Fourteen days out. This is when

49
00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:47,000
we're going to see it all simmer all the subversive

50
00:03:47,039 --> 00:03:49,800
stuff starts simmering. Many people who are just living their

51
00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,840
lives outside of the interwebs are just going about their

52
00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:55,639
business and they're counting down the days in the calendar,

53
00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:58,439
not only to Christmas but to the New Year, and

54
00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:02,680
they're not really worried about anything else. But in the

55
00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,039
Tavistock cesspool that is the Internet, there's a whole lot

56
00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,039
of shit going on. And the war continues to rage,

57
00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,080
so and every day there's new factions of that war too.

58
00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:13,840
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

59
00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:16,079
Speaker 1: I'll talk about that in a little bit, but that's

60
00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,079
all I have to say. In the meantime, you still

61
00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,560
have plenty of time to go and make gift baskets

62
00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,680
for all of your friends, stuff stockings for all of

63
00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,040
your friends. With our affiliates. You can go to quite

64
00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,439
frankly TV to the affiliates page. There's Blue Monster Prep.

65
00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,480
Get people gift certificates for prepping so they can go

66
00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:36,959
out and get water filtration and you know, two way radios, food,

67
00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,720
whatever it is, that's all there. Hell, we just talked

68
00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:43,480
with Robin McCutcheon about the economy and what the new

69
00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,480
American dollar may look like. Even if it is if

70
00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:50,000
we're talking about something that can be used on a

71
00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,160
digital slash crypto level, but it's backed by an asset

72
00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:58,040
like gold, gold and silver can be gotten on quite

73
00:04:58,079 --> 00:05:01,560
frankly dot gold. Our good buddy, Tony are I actually

74
00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:02,800
have to get on the phone with him. He said

75
00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,319
he has some Christmas prints for the one ou silver

76
00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:10,040
rounds that's here. Just give him out to everybody who

77
00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,199
deserves a gift in my family. In fact, tonight in

78
00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,800
the second half, I'm gonna be giving out this last

79
00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:18,720
round I have laying out over here, the silver. Who

80
00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:20,879
knows which one of you gets that one? And I'll

81
00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,079
even throw in one of the even more valuable quite

82
00:05:24,079 --> 00:05:30,560
frankly wooden nickel. That's it, the wooden nickel. That's good

83
00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:33,360
for us, good for you if you win it. But

84
00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:37,360
there's more. There's there's merchandise, there is there's tons. You

85
00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,959
can even get somebody as general sponsorship to the show.

86
00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,879
So thank you all for that tonight the after hours,

87
00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,879
since we are going to be doing a lot about

88
00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,759
Christmas origin stories and all that stuff and proofs and

89
00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,959
all that. After hours, we have that really awesome documentary

90
00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,879
by Rick Larson, who I've been trying to get on

91
00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,000
the show, but maybe you have to start trying in

92
00:05:59,079 --> 00:06:02,000
July about the Star of Bethlehem.

93
00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,879
Speaker 2: The Star of Bethlehem is going to be playing.

94
00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,399
Speaker 1: If we get off the air at nine o'clock, we'll

95
00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:09,519
have about a half hour buffer of some other really

96
00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,040
cool stuff that'll be there after the show on quite

97
00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,480
frankly dot TV, and then the Star of Bethlehem full

98
00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,639
documentary will start at nine thirty. It's a little bit

99
00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,560
over an hour, but you got to you gotta, you

100
00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,199
gotta listen to this and a lot of that stuff.

101
00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:27,879
I realized we got in a great conversation with Timothy

102
00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,680
Alberino about the Star of Bethlehem and what was going

103
00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:36,920
on astronomically in the sky about two thousand and twenty

104
00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,560
years ago or whenever the hell it was.

105
00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,519
Speaker 2: What do people say that Jesus was born four years

106
00:06:44,519 --> 00:06:48,079
before Christ was born? I never get that. I thought

107
00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:48,720
that year.

108
00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:51,560
Speaker 1: Zero was year zero, Like, no, actually he was born

109
00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:58,360
in uh three BC. Wow, jeez, that's really early to

110
00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,439
talk about an early due date. You know, Aurora showed

111
00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:06,399
up three years three days before her due date. You know,

112
00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,519
she's supposed to be on the seventeenth of September, showed

113
00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,560
up on the fourteenth.

114
00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:15,800
Speaker 2: Jesus showed up three years early. I never got it.

115
00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:19,399
But what the hell? Who am I to question?

116
00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:19,720
Speaker 3: Why?

117
00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:21,120
Speaker 2: All right?

118
00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:26,079
Speaker 1: So, so yeah, I think that's all I have for

119
00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,360
you right now in the second half of the show,

120
00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:30,759
aside from taking your calls and all the responses to

121
00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:33,160
I'm sure we're going to get with jayder On with us.

122
00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,920
We have to get into we must get into the

123
00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,720
UFO thing in in Jersey. It has reached incredibly ridiculous

124
00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:47,839
levels where now there are conflicting reports and denials from

125
00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:51,800
both Congressmen and then the Pentagon about whether or not

126
00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:58,360
a the UFO slash drones are Iranian, but that there

127
00:07:58,439 --> 00:08:03,800
is a mothership, mother ship off the east coast of

128
00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:07,240
the United States somewhere that we haven't seen and somehow

129
00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,240
can't find a way to deal with the Iranians.

130
00:08:12,519 --> 00:08:15,079
Speaker 2: They've crossed the Atlantic and they're.

131
00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:18,120
Speaker 1: Just parked out there, and we just so we have

132
00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:21,319
to get around to that tomorrow. There may be an

133
00:08:21,319 --> 00:08:24,800
impromptu stream from my phone at some point on YouTube,

134
00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:30,439
but the seven o'clock show is canceled tomorrow. I got

135
00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,879
to get over here. We have to do some more

136
00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,080
painting in here. There's more electrical work that I have

137
00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,159
to do, some other things we're swapping out, and I

138
00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,360
want that done before the weekend. Very important that I

139
00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:43,320
do that before the weekend. So I'll be here early

140
00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,559
tomorrow painting and getting other things done, and then maybe

141
00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,360
sometime this afternoon. That afternoon I will do a stream.

142
00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,320
Perhaps I'll go cross go live across all the platforms,

143
00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,600
but I will not be live at seven. Maybe I

144
00:08:57,639 --> 00:09:01,120
will rerun it at seven on quite frankly TV. But

145
00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,360
tomorrow's gonna be a little bit different because there's a

146
00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,240
lot of a lot of things we've got to do

147
00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,120
over here. And I think that's all the end of

148
00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,480
my announcements. Into the grab bag. We go for a

149
00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,159
couple of seconds that we have left. It's seven oh seven.

150
00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,759
Jay is coming on in about eight minutes, so that

151
00:09:14,799 --> 00:09:17,279
means I got about five for moving and shaking.

152
00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:24,159
Speaker 2: First one is from where the hell is this? I

153
00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:24,519
don't know?

154
00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,919
Speaker 1: Study finds, Oh, it's from study fines for some reason,

155
00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:34,399
it's not showing up on this. It's not showing ap

156
00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:36,559
use well, I can't find it.

157
00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,960
Speaker 2: Chris Milori. Study finds silent epidemic. You want to know

158
00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:43,639
what it is. It's not COVID, it's herpes.

159
00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,879
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and forty six million people are infected with

160
00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:48,799
genital herpes?

161
00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:57,679
Speaker 2: Are you one of them? Anyway? In Geneva?

162
00:09:57,799 --> 00:09:59,720
Speaker 1: Did you know that there has been a hidden epidemic

163
00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:02,919
sweeping the world. A new study finds nearly a billion

164
00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,759
people are dealing with a painful and socially traumatizing infection

165
00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,960
that has no cure. More than one in five people

166
00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,320
between the ages of fifteen and forty nine are living

167
00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:17,120
with genital herpes, the staggering statistic that reveals a global

168
00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,879
health challenge largely shrouded in silence and stigma. These shocking findings,

169
00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:25,080
revealed by the World Health Organization, exposed the widespread nature

170
00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,960
of this common sexually transmitted infection, with researchers calling for

171
00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,159
urgent action. The numbers are eye opening. Approximately eight hundred

172
00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:36,720
and forty six million people worldwide carried genital herpes with

173
00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:43,000
a new infection happening every second, every second, translating to

174
00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:46,600
forty two million new cases annually. It's probably that porn

175
00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:50,200
star girl that just slept with one hundred people in

176
00:10:50,919 --> 00:10:56,039
twenty four hours. What a dark path that chick is on.

177
00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,320
I saw a two minute clip of the documentary that

178
00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:03,919
just came out, and she's all traumatized afterwards, crying this

179
00:11:04,039 --> 00:11:04,600
that she's feeling.

180
00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:05,679
Speaker 2: This feels like a robot.

181
00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,159
Speaker 1: She just screwed one hundred people in twenty four hours,

182
00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:13,639
thinking Okay, well that would be rock bottom for a

183
00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:17,720
lot of people. Maybe this actually changes something for her.

184
00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:20,960
And then the next day she announces that she's going

185
00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,200
to try to set the world record in spring of

186
00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,639
twenty twenty five where she bangs a thousand people in

187
00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:27,000
a day.

188
00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:28,919
Speaker 2: I just.

189
00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:34,480
Speaker 1: She might be the sole source of herpes. She might be,

190
00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:38,000
but that's one thing for you. I hope that went

191
00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:41,159
over well with the family. All right, now, let's go

192
00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:47,039
to the next one. SFGate dot Com SF Tech CEOs

193
00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,559
billboards are dystopian. That's how he wants it over here

194
00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,519
in San Francisco, Thursday afternoon, in San Francisco, on one

195
00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,519
side of Mission Street, hotel workers chanted and banged on

196
00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,240
a drum outside of the Marriotte Marquee, part of a

197
00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,399
month's long strike for higher wages and more jobs. On

198
00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:12,879
the other, a tech company billboard proclaims stop hiring humans.

199
00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,279
Various versions of the provocative advertisements are emblazing across the

200
00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:21,240
city on rotating screen displays, on bus shelters, and on

201
00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,200
classic vinyl billboards on polls and buildings plugging the San

202
00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:30,679
Francisco startup Artisan. SF Gates spoke with Artisan's CEO about

203
00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,759
the campaign. The company has just thirty employees and is

204
00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,720
less than two years old. It's only existing product. It's

205
00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,679
an artificial intelligence sales agent called Artisan, built to automate

206
00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,200
the work of finding and messaging potential customers.

207
00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:44,919
Speaker 2: It's a classic.

208
00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,960
Speaker 1: AI age idea, one of many such tools flooding the

209
00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,480
tech world. Oh maybe I should look into that. I

210
00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,399
definitely would like to bring on two main business sponsors

211
00:12:53,399 --> 00:12:56,159
into twenty twenty five. In fact, I'll just tell the

212
00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,159
audience that if you've got a badass business, American Maid,

213
00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:04,799
whatever the hell you are, and you need a national audience,

214
00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:08,720
get in touch with me. Let's see. But the billboards

215
00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,480
in San Francisco are less routine. Bleak might be a

216
00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:14,159
better word or mean spirited in a city laden with

217
00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:17,919
jargoning advertisements, These are easy to understand. Most feature a

218
00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:21,519
dark haired, purple air, purple eyed persona and a few

219
00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,279
rows of texts. Some critique humans and remote work, artisans

220
00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,120
won't complain about work life balance, and artisans zoom cameras

221
00:13:29,159 --> 00:13:32,720
will never be not working today. Others are more direct,

222
00:13:32,799 --> 00:13:36,519
higher artisans not humans. Several include the line the era

223
00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:42,320
of AI employees is here. Oh, I believe them, I

224
00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:47,720
believe them, and one hell of a you know, juxtaposition

225
00:13:47,799 --> 00:13:51,120
there with the workers strike across the whole. I don't

226
00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,600
know how you can get AI to take care of

227
00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:56,879
a hotel. I guess you can bring I guess robots

228
00:13:56,919 --> 00:14:01,120
can can go, you know, deliver fo to people's doors.

229
00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:09,720
But that's that's interesting, and I guess not unexpected. Israel divorce.

230
00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:18,320
Israel destroys Syrian naval assets in Latakia, if that's how

231
00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,559
you say it, After destroying much of the Syrian air

232
00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,080
force and its air defenses and its largest air op ever,

233
00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,000
congrats to the revolutionaries who helped me. This is from

234
00:14:27,039 --> 00:14:32,759
Max Blumenthal, So you know, I guess there's more of

235
00:14:32,799 --> 00:14:36,279
your Israeli buffer zone stuff. Israel just took out whatever

236
00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,240
navy and air force Syria had, so Assad is suddenly gone.

237
00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,879
In blitzkrieg fashion. The head choppers have taken over the

238
00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:49,639
government and Israel is now newtering the country while taking

239
00:14:49,679 --> 00:14:53,279
over new territory in order to you know, secure its

240
00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:55,919
own interests. As I said before, we'll see how many

241
00:14:55,919 --> 00:14:59,080
buffer zones are claimed over the next couple of years.

242
00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,440
I'd also like to se happy birthday to Gina from

243
00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,559
South Carolina. I missed it yesterday. She turned fifty eight.

244
00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:09,519
She told me I didn't ask. She's proud of her age, okay,

245
00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:11,759
and she's a great friend of the show. And she's

246
00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,039
in great shape too, So you go, girl. I hope

247
00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,759
you had a wonderful one, and I'm sorry for the

248
00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:20,159
belated wishes. Let's get back to the show right after this.

249
00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:25,039
Be ready, ladies and gentlemen, and if you can help me,

250
00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,279
send this show out to people who've never seen her before,

251
00:15:27,399 --> 00:15:29,559
share it far and wide, whether you're watching live or

252
00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:30,159
on demand.

253
00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:30,919
Speaker 2: Be right back.

254
00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,360
Speaker 4: Do you let one ant stand up to us, then

255
00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:52,200
they all might stand up. Those puny little ants outnumber

256
00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,320
us one hundred to one. And if they ever figure

257
00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,120
that out there goes our way of life. It's not

258
00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,279
about food, It's about keeping those ants in line.

259
00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,639
Speaker 2: That's why we're going back.

260
00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:09,840
Speaker 4: Does anybody else want to stay?

261
00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,240
Speaker 5: Let's ride.

262
00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:54,679
Speaker 6: Say I'm mister green Christmas, mister sun, it's a green

263
00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:55,320
one over here.

264
00:16:55,559 --> 00:17:02,279
Speaker 1: Mister heat blister, I'm mister hundred and oh you gotta

265
00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,880
love the heat miser song? Or I touch Hey, who

266
00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,319
do you like better? Are you a heat miser guy

267
00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:12,680
or are you a snow miser guy. I think I

268
00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:16,680
always liked snow miser better, only because he just didn't

269
00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,440
get frazzled that much. He was more of a joker

270
00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,519
and heat miser was a little bit more of a spaz.

271
00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,519
And so I like the whole idea of being able

272
00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:30,400
to throw a snowball and not have it kill somebody,

273
00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:34,319
whereas heat miser is just like dealing with lava all day.

274
00:17:35,079 --> 00:17:35,319
Speaker 2: You know.

275
00:17:35,599 --> 00:17:38,279
Speaker 1: It's just like I know, I guess you can kill

276
00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:41,759
somebody with an icicle, but it just seemed a little

277
00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:45,559
bit snow Miser touches something and it bursts into a

278
00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,319
cloud of snowflakes, and then heat miser comes in. It

279
00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,880
melts down into molten le Melton metal that just seemed

280
00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,319
very inconvenient, almost like having the the Midas touched there,

281
00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,839
which as we all know, is not a convenience at all.

282
00:18:01,519 --> 00:18:04,119
All right, So you let me know, heat miser or

283
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:10,359
snow miser. If you want to wage war, probably heat miser.

284
00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:20,000
You'll kill everybody. So depending on what you what you

285
00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:23,319
want to do, what your intentions are, all right, So

286
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,240
this is what we have this time of year. And

287
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,119
I love listening to people debate. I love learning because

288
00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:32,640
I learned by listening to conversations a lot more than

289
00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,160
anything else. I do a fair amount of reading, been

290
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,119
reading a lot more of late, especially since we.

291
00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:38,720
Speaker 2: Ramped up the.

292
00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:42,319
Speaker 1: Book club, and we've been doing that for three years.

293
00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:47,039
In fact, our guest tonight is he's a multiple time

294
00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:49,599
co host on the Quite Frankly book Club, Jay Dyer.

295
00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:51,680
And it's this time of year where most of us

296
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,480
are lost in the bustle of the season, reflecting on

297
00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:57,640
a year of a year's past. But we are still

298
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,240
we're still in the middle of a war, and that's

299
00:19:01,279 --> 00:19:03,680
what we have to we get reminded of all the time.

300
00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:07,839
It's a cultural war. It's taking place mostly in digital,

301
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:13,799
digital fields, and we know what to expect everywhere we go.

302
00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:16,519
Whenever we especially when we reach a designated time for

303
00:19:16,599 --> 00:19:19,640
Thanksgiving in this country or anywhere, we are offered up

304
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,240
reason after reason to reject the old culture, the old

305
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,119
way of doing things, patriotic reasons for celebrating and remembering

306
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,720
the past, and our wanted heroes and all that stuff.

307
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,839
We're offered up something else. In replacement of that, we

308
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,640
embrace something a little bit more I don't know. They

309
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,079
want us to replace everything with something a little bit

310
00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:43,759
more discordant, much like modern art.

311
00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:45,200
Speaker 2: From Fourth of July.

312
00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:47,920
Speaker 1: To Thanksgiving, we are fed a steady diet of whiny,

313
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,279
subversive nonsense to disengage us from tradition. That happens a lot,

314
00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:55,440
and of course the same is done for Christmas and

315
00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:58,519
Easter alike. Now, right now, we're in the middle of Advent,

316
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,880
So there's a cacophony online that is building, and it's

317
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:07,119
comprised of new atheists and neopagans. One side wants to

318
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,799
antagonize Christians into despondency with claims that Christmas is a

319
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,039
meaningless amalgamation of silly pagan traditions, and the other side, well,

320
00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:19,319
are neopagans, so they're angry, I guess because they want

321
00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:22,640
to be taken seriously. So it's just there's a lot

322
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,200
of stuff going on, and tonight we'll get into some

323
00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:27,759
of those points of contention that we see year in

324
00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:31,559
year out with a friend of ours, Jay Dyer Jaysanalysis

325
00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:32,000
dot Com.

326
00:20:32,039 --> 00:20:36,319
Speaker 2: He's back with us tonight, Jay. How you doing? Hey?

327
00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:37,759
Speaker 3: What's that? Mon'm done great? How are you?

328
00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:38,799
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm doing all right.

329
00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:40,880
Speaker 1: What do you usually do this time of year to

330
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,440
get ready for the big day? You have a lot

331
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,400
of traditions to you and the wife go to certain places,

332
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,960
you like, do certain things, get in the mood.

333
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 2: What do you do?

334
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,319
Speaker 7: I mean, for the Orthodox Church, Christmas is huge, so

335
00:20:55,599 --> 00:20:59,240
like we have really long services, there's a lot of services.

336
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,319
It's a huge affair. It's only rivaled by Easter, so

337
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,160
you know, there's a lot going on. So mainly it's

338
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,039
just kind of focused around that kind of stuff. But

339
00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:15,319
my personal experiences with my wife, I mean, we just

340
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,799
kind of do the standard stuff everybody does with family.

341
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 1: Well, I know you guys are also really big into

342
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,359
I've watched so many film breakdowns between you and your wife,

343
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,000
so I got to imagine that you guys have at

344
00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:31,559
least a top five Christmas movies that you go to

345
00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:34,079
if you're gonna sit down and watch a Christmas movie

346
00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:35,559
that you know is always going to hit the spot

347
00:21:35,599 --> 00:21:35,799
for you.

348
00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: What is it Jingle all the Way?

349
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 7: Actually, yeah, that's one of our favorite of the worst

350
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,200
Christmas movies.

351
00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

352
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,799
Speaker 7: There's a couple of comedies that are kind of funny,

353
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,039
just Friends, It's kind of funny. But we actually kind

354
00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:52,680
of like Lord of the Rings around this time of

355
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,920
year because I remember it seems like Lord of the

356
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,359
Rings came out in the theaters back in the day, you know,

357
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,759
two thousand and three or so, right around Christmas time,

358
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,039
So for me, it's kind of a Christmas movie.

359
00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So those are some of our favorites.

360
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 7: But i'd have to think about what I mean, there's

361
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,119
not actually that many good Christmas movies.

362
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,759
Speaker 3: A lot of them are pretty much junk. But yeah,

363
00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:16,480
Lord of the Rings.

364
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,039
Speaker 1: I guess, well, if I were given a little bit

365
00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:20,839
of time to make a list, I'd have to say

366
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,920
that there's there's more good Christmas films than there are Well,

367
00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:27,000
there's a lot of bad. There's just so many, so

368
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,759
just by laws of probability, many of them are gonna

369
00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:35,319
be bad. But just like I can't stand most Christmas songs,

370
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,319
but that means that doesn't mean that there aren't hundreds

371
00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:38,880
that I love anyway.

372
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,319
Speaker 2: You know another one.

373
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,759
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily a Christmas film I always watch around

374
00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:45,160
this time. You and I did the book The Godfather.

375
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,240
I always end up watching around this time of year.

376
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,319
Speaker 3: That's a good point, Yeah, I kind of use.

377
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,079
Speaker 7: I mean, I know this is kind of nerdy, but

378
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,880
I like the original Star Wars, and for me, that's

379
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,319
kind of a Christmas time movie. I guess I grew

380
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,799
up playing so many Star Wars video games around the

381
00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:03,720
time of Christmas, because if you play video games, you

382
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,640
get a video game around Christmas time, you're going to

383
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,160
be playing it. So that's also kind of burned into

384
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,440
my mind as a Christmas era movie.

385
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 2: Shadow Shadows of the Empire on n sixty four.

386
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, I played the crap out of that one.

387
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,799
I had it on PC though, but it was a

388
00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:22,880
lot of fun. Rogue Squadron, like all of those like

389
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:25,000
sixty four.

390
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: Era games, were a blast for Christmas time.

391
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,839
Speaker 7: There's also like some really good I'm good and super

392
00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:32,160
nerdy here, but there was some really good PlayStation two

393
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,880
Lord of the Rings games too that I remember playing

394
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,519
the crop out of It Christmas.

395
00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:38,519
Speaker 2: I remember that.

396
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,559
Speaker 1: And you know, I bought a PlayStation five because I

397
00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:44,799
like having PlayStations in the house just as as an

398
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,039
entertainment system. Did we have one too, But I was

399
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:51,000
really upset when I opened it up in the box,

400
00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:54,440
I realized it did not have a drive input.

401
00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: I had to get a separate day Oh.

402
00:23:56,279 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 3: I bought the Yeah, I made sure to buy the

403
00:23:57,759 --> 00:23:58,599
one was the disc.

404
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: I said, eightiots, damn.

405
00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:03,519
Speaker 1: So like now I have this separate DVD player that

406
00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:05,759
I plug in the HDMI three port.

407
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:06,759
Speaker 2: I feel like an idiot.

408
00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: Anyway, thirty years that's what I really want to say,

409
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:14,359
thirty years of PlayStation I can't believe that it's been

410
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,599
thirty years since the first one came out. But anyhow,

411
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,039
the real reason I have you here tonight is because

412
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:22,839
we're in the middle of it all and I want

413
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,880
to talk about some of the things, the claims that

414
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,599
pop up this time of year, whether it's by you know,

415
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:32,759
recycled videos of Bill Maher and the religulous movie he

416
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:36,720
did years ago, or that very famously circulating video of

417
00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:42,160
Stephen Frye going into the mithross elements of you know,

418
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:47,880
where there is commonality or synchronicity between Christmas and everything else.

419
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,160
And it's all really just just to make sure that

420
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,160
everybody who wants to believe in a religion and believe

421
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,440
that it is true is constantly pelted with the idea

422
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,759
of plurality. And what I want to you here is,

423
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,160
here's the one example I've got. And this is not

424
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:05,480
from a this is not from an atheist. This is,

425
00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:09,359
I believe, from a neo pagan type said Christmas has

426
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,880
pagan roots. Europeans celebrated Yule, Midsummer, a Halloween, and Easter religiously.

427
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:18,079
Eleven hundred to fourteen hundred years of dressing it up

428
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:22,559
as biblical does not change its root. So where would

429
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:24,799
you Where do you start with this jay? Because I'll

430
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,920
tell you one thing. I understand that there there is

431
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,680
a level of appropriation here. A couple of years ago,

432
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:34,519
me and Timothy Gordon we talked about the Tannenbaum in particular,

433
00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:37,440
we did a show on Saint Boniface and his mission

434
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,480
work in northern Europe and cutting down the thunder Oak

435
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:43,039
of Thor. So I understand that there is at least

436
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:47,200
in that instance, you have an appropriation of pagan symbols

437
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:50,799
via conquest, just like a hunter would turn game into

438
00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:54,000
a fluffy hat or a coat and wear it as

439
00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:57,200
a symbol of something that they overcame. But what about

440
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,359
things like the Yule? And where do you start with this?

441
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,759
Unpacking it all?

442
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:04,759
Speaker 7: Right, So there's a lot of different things we should say.

443
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:07,079
The first thing I would say is that you know,

444
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,680
Christmas actually comes out of the Orthodox East, and the

445
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:14,599
dating for that is done in its earliest stage by

446
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,240
some of the really early Eastern Church fathers, and the

447
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,359
way they derived that date, if you go and actually

448
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,279
read some of these church fathers in the second and

449
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,079
third century, has nothing to do whatsoever with soul invictus,

450
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,599
has nothing to do with anything that the Roman Empire

451
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:29,039
was doing.

452
00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: In fact, it was all derived from the first chapter.

453
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,559
Speaker 7: Of the Book of Luke. And I sent you a

454
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:40,319
great article by an Orthodox priest. His name's father Jeff Harvey,

455
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,200
and it's a good shepherd Australia Orthodox Church. He has

456
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,000
a really good article that I always share around the

457
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:49,359
time of the year that explains the basics of the

458
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,599
Christian dating of Christmas and what has really absolutely nothing

459
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:55,599
to do with the pagan dating.

460
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,839
Speaker 3: I'll just make it really quick.

461
00:26:57,319 --> 00:26:59,839
Speaker 7: Basically, in the first chapter of Luke we can derive

462
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,640
when Zachariah was doing his priestly duties during Yom Kipor.

463
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:09,759
So this is mentioned that in Luke one Zachariah is

464
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:12,559
doing his priestly duties. We know that that's the time

465
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,400
of the offering of incense and whatnot on the day

466
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,000
of Yom Kippor. This is Luke one eight through eleven,

467
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,119
and that then tells us the date roughly at which

468
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:26,400
Christians were able to calculate the birth of John the Baptist,

469
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:28,480
or what we call in the East John the Forerunner,

470
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,200
as being born September twenty third if you read that chapter,

471
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,079
this is when the announcement of the birth John the

472
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:37,359
Baptist is so two hundred and seventy days plus that

473
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,000
equals June twenty fourth. The observation, then of the annunciation

474
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:44,559
of Christ's birth is in six months after John the

475
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,880
Baptist conception, and this is mentioned in Luke one twenty

476
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,880
six to twenty seven. So in the sixth month of

477
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,720
Elizabeth's pregnancy, Gabriel is sent from God to a city

478
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,079
Galiley named Nazareth to a virgin whose name is Joseph

479
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,960
the House of David, and the virgin's name was Mary.

480
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:04,240
So calculating September twenty third adding six months brings us

481
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:06,720
to March twenty fifth, So March twenty fifth then for

482
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:10,680
annunciation to Mary nine months that after March twenty fifth

483
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,119
gets us to December twenty fifth. The other thing I

484
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:19,920
would note is that Sol and Victus, as he points out,

485
00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:24,400
was established according to the scholar Manfred Klaus, by the

486
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,720
Emperor Aurelian in two seventy four AD, so it is

487
00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:31,599
December twenty fourth, But this is actually fifty years after

488
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:36,680
the early church father Sextus Julius Africanus mentions the December

489
00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:39,279
twenty first. So the December twenty five date is mentioned

490
00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:42,920
by the church fathers fifty years before the establishment of

491
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:46,400
Soul Invictus and then sat Aroinais and against Heresies talks

492
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,200
about March twenty fifth being so he's one eighty a d.

493
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,759
He wrote a very famous so big fat Christian theology

494
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:56,240
book in one eighty and he mentions that being dated

495
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,240
this way as well, So we know the early Christian

496
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:02,759
Church was really not concerned with what the pagan mysteries

497
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:05,279
were up to. But so often people that repeat like

498
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,480
the Zeitgeist sort of conspiracy stuff is really low tier.

499
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,680
They don't really have any idea about like Christian theology

500
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,359
or what's actually derived from the Book of Luke. And

501
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:21,279
just like with Christmas in the Orthodox Church, what's called

502
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:24,559
Easter is actually called Pasca. That's just the Greek word

503
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,240
for Passover, and so it's derived from the Jewish calendar

504
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:31,079
and the fulfillments of those Jewish feasts in the Christian

505
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,279
ceremonies and the establishment of the Church in the first

506
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:39,400
and second century. Thus, just with Christmas, so also Easter

507
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,359
has nothing to do with pagan rites or ceremonies. So

508
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:46,480
the fact that centuries later, in say six seven hundred

509
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,519
in the West, when they you have conversion of Germanic tribes,

510
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:52,039
the fact that they had some date that they celebrated,

511
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:55,079
or that druid celebrated on the same date is really

512
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,519
has nothing to do with the celebrations that are decided

513
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:02,160
upon by the Christian Church in the early days, which

514
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,559
relates to they're not totally aligned with the Jewish calendar,

515
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:08,799
but they relate to it, and thus the fulfillment of

516
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:12,920
the Jewish calendar in the revelations and the dates that

517
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,119
Jesus fulfills according to the New Church, the New Testament fulfillment.

518
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,839
Speaker 2: You know the other thing there too.

519
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 5: I I.

520
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:25,119
Speaker 1: It's all very interesting because the one thing that people

521
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:28,480
will say, even without blinking, is that, you know, Jesus

522
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:30,759
wasn't born in December, right, he was born in June.

523
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,559
It's just a knee jerk thing that people who like

524
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,400
to pull a you know, an actually on you say,

525
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,960
you know he was actually born in June. And you know,

526
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:43,039
I usually just say, oh, okay, because what am I

527
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,799
supposed to do? And what When you ask, well, how

528
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:48,759
do you come to that conclusion? Usually they'll say, well,

529
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:52,039
because of the Roman census that was around the time

530
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:54,240
in the Roman sense, and they try to line it

531
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:58,079
up with the census. Other people have tried to say that,

532
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,359
you know, they get wrong. And where we are latitudely

533
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,920
and longitudely as far as that whole that whole part

534
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,480
of the world would have been December, would it have

535
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:11,519
been cold, would it still have been a harvest with

536
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:13,839
the shepherds have been out doing their thing if it

537
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:15,880
was in the middle of the winter, Thinking that they

538
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,279
were living in New York or something like that. But

539
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,160
that's where a lot of people will will come at

540
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,480
you with almost like I did you know a bar

541
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:27,880
trivia thing? When was Jesus born? They'll just say June?

542
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,759
So where do where does that?

543
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: That?

544
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: That comes from just a misunderstanding of or somewhere wrong

545
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,039
that timeline because you stopped in June for a second. There,

546
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:38,480
it's just misunderstanding of that timeline.

547
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: Then did that had to do with uh, John the Baptist?

548
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,359
Speaker 7: So that's I stopped in March because they're calculating it

549
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,319
on the basis of what's in Luke one. Yeah, so

550
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,480
really it's nothing. So in other words, John the Baptist's

551
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:57,160
birth would be June twenty fourth, so that would be

552
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,480
John the Forerunner, And that's calculated as two hundred and

553
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:06,640
seventy days after the announcement that Zachariah's wife.

554
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,319
Speaker 3: Would have a baby, Elizabeth would have a baby. That's

555
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,599
John the Baptist, right, Ye.

556
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:14,119
Speaker 7: So then if you read Luke, there's that point where

557
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,400
Luke and where Leeke describes Mary and Elizabeth meeting, and

558
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,880
so we know about the annunciation date wise from that time,

559
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,640
and so that's why we get to December twenty fifth

560
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:32,880
is nine months after this, the Annunciation being March twenty

561
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:41,480
Excuse me, the Annunciation is March twenty fifth according to Irenaeus.

562
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,359
So you got the early Church saying that it's dated

563
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,559
from He's the most famous theologian of the Church in

564
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:50,440
the second century, so he wrote a big giant book

565
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,880
called Against Heresies. So in other words, he's telling us

566
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,400
that he's a bishop. He's not just some random dud.

567
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,359
He's like a bishop.

568
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:59,079
Speaker 3: Of the church, Leon Aeron Leon.

569
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 7: He's telling us that we date this from March twenty

570
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,240
fifth for John the Baptist, and then nine months later

571
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,000
or assuming for the Annunciation, the niemus later is the

572
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,319
birth of Christ. So I mean, whether you think that's

573
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:17,839
wrong or right, Like, that's the explanation that the second

574
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:21,279
century Church gives for where they're getting the dates, and

575
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:22,960
it's from the Book of Luke. It has nothing to

576
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,559
do with trying to date it to the Roman census

577
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,599
or whatever. It's literally dated just like Easter or Pasca.

578
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,000
It's dated according to the Jewish ceremonies. So again, if

579
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,519
you read that article, like, the way that we would

580
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:39,839
know is because of Zechariah's priesthood, So Zacharai is serving

581
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,400
as there's a cycle of what priests do in the

582
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,799
Jewish calendar, what they do when they're in the temple,

583
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:48,240
when they're elected to be the one to offer the

584
00:33:48,279 --> 00:33:52,079
incense is described in Luke one, so that's where they're

585
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:54,079
getting that date from. It just has it has nothing

586
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:57,799
to do with what the Pagans were up to. And

587
00:33:57,799 --> 00:33:59,720
this is the assumption that a lot of people who

588
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,599
have that argument of that claim make is that really

589
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,960
Christianity was not a divinely established religion. It's just this

590
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:09,239
thing that was blended with all this pagan stuff and

591
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,400
their emperors controlled the church or whatever. But you can

592
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,400
look at the Council of Nicea in three twenty five,

593
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,199
and you can read the church fathers prior to Nicea,

594
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,199
and they don't teach anything fundamentally different than after the

595
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:21,039
Council of Nicea.

596
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: So that is always built on these.

597
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,199
Speaker 7: Kind of Atlantis assumptions that there's this massive change after

598
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,559
the Constantine created the Catholic Church or whatever. It's just

599
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,199
not true. And you can actually read the people who

600
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,559
were Christians from the first two third century and there's

601
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,760
an abundant I mean all of these books up here

602
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:46,360
in the Red that's abundant amount of information from that

603
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:49,079
time period. So it's not a mystery. It's not like

604
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,440
we don't know. You can actually go read these people

605
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,400
in those time periods, and there's many church fathers who

606
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,519
are very famous and they talk about the services, they

607
00:34:58,519 --> 00:34:59,400
talk about.

608
00:34:59,239 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: You know, Pasca.

609
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 7: In fact, one of the biggest controversies in the second

610
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,599
century at the time of Aaronais between the East and

611
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:06,960
the West, is about when.

612
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 3: To date Pasca or Easter.

613
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 7: So if the very first controversey that occurs is over

614
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,599
when to actually date Easter, should it be specifically the

615
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:20,320
Jewish calendar or something else, tells us that this is not.

616
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 3: A pagan invention.

617
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:25,159
Speaker 7: Later or centuries later, it's one of the earliest controversies

618
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:28,079
in the shit. It's called the Quartodesseminarian controversy over when

619
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:31,039
to date Easter. And you if you read those church fathers,

620
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:35,599
Easter is not o star or that's just a later

621
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,559
Germanic term that has nothing to do with Pasca. They

622
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:41,440
call it Pasca. And it's just amazing to me that,

623
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:43,199
you know, people are this ignorant, not trying to be

624
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,000
rude to this people to disagree, but like it's.

625
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: Not very hard to go read.

626
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,559
Speaker 7: You know, people from the second century writing about Pasca,

627
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,719
and in the Orthodox Church it's very clearly East, Like,

628
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,039
it's very clearly passover. In other words, the Greek word

629
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:04,119
pasca means passover, so you would never mistake Easter for

630
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,559
something pagan in the Orthodox Church when the entire ethos

631
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,159
is passover from Exodus.

632
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: You say, what about just the the etymology of the

633
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,519
word Easter, you know, and also visuals of things like

634
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:22,280
bunnies and eggs. Where if there is very fundamental foundational

635
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,039
differences between these pagan practices and of course the the

636
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:31,039
the the the establishment of the Christian Church, then where

637
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,599
where does the the the overlap happen, at least in

638
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:35,519
popular culture?

639
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:36,559
Speaker 2: How does that start?

640
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: Right?

641
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,559
Speaker 7: So, there was a I'm trying to remember the exact spelling.

642
00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:45,719
It's aeostore etre, which is just the Germanic word for

643
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,519
that goddess, but it's also a Germanic word for that season.

644
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,159
So you know, it's like, think about the days of

645
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:56,360
the week or the way we talk about the months, right,

646
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:02,280
sometimes the like January or john u Sometimes that the

647
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,239
names for things did signify a god, but that's not

648
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,599
the only reference that those words have. So in other words,

649
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,440
you can have a term that also refers to a

650
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,440
time period and not necessarily a deity or a goddess.

651
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,039
So this is what's called a word concept ballasy. A

652
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,760
lot of times people make the mistake of thinking that

653
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,280
because a word is used, it only has one meaning

654
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,599
a reference. Words can have multiple meanings or reference depending

655
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:30,800
upon context and depending upon intentionality of the author. So

656
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:37,119
just because the word ostara meant to Germanic tribes a

657
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,960
goddess does not mean that the festival or the time

658
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,159
period of spring is necessarily a reference to the goddess.

659
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:45,679
Speaker 3: Does that make sense what I'm saying?

660
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: It does? It does?

661
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,559
Speaker 1: And you know, when it comes to something like soul

662
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:52,920
and victis as well, you know, I admittedly I want

663
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,880
to do more reading on this so that the knowledge

664
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,960
is my own. But that is one thing that I

665
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:02,599
did have in mind, a question long since posed to

666
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:05,840
me about, you know, whether or not soul and Victis

667
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,519
was shifted itself to December in order to compete with Christianity,

668
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:13,719
which was already the dominant faith by the fourth century,

669
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,400
or was it the opposite, where because we Ultimately, I

670
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,840
don't know any Christians who are obsessed with the date

671
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,880
of December twenty fifth being accurate or although you know,

672
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,320
some may have better reasons than others for believing it,

673
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,360
because they may do the research and they do what

674
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,719
you do and stuff. But this does lend itself, This

675
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,920
whole idea lends itself to other theories about the early Church,

676
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:43,880
namely the story that Constantine's conversion wasn't authentic and that

677
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,920
he just wanted to see Christianity married with Roman traditions

678
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,280
and feast days in order to co opt the religion.

679
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,719
But that's what you're saying here. The timelines don't support

680
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,239
that theory.

681
00:38:54,679 --> 00:39:01,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, both the celebration of the what we call Christmas

682
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:06,000
christ Mass or the Divine Liturgy and the dating of

683
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:11,159
Pasca or Easter are at least two centuries of one

684
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,719
hundred and fifty years prior to Constantine. So no, there's

685
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,400
no way really to conceive of anything malicious on the

686
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,519
part of Constantine on the.

687
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,639
Speaker 3: Basis of these dates.

688
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 7: So there was these dates where we're well established far

689
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:29,719
before Constantine ever existed. And again you can read you know, Cyprian,

690
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,480
you can read Ignacious, you can read herein as you

691
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:37,159
can read Tertullian, you can read Origin. They're not all saints,

692
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,000
but they're all what are called writer or like Origin

693
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,639
and Tertullian that end up being saint, they're called patristic

694
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,679
writers because they still give us an insight into what

695
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,000
the thought of the Christian Church was in the second century.

696
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,760
And again there's vast amounts of material from this time period.

697
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,519
There's thousands of pages of material from this time period.

698
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:57,199
So it's not like we have to do a whole

699
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,199
lot of guest work. There might be certain areas where

700
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:03,199
it's unclear exactly, but we know that we know they

701
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:06,280
had a liturgical form of worship, we know they believed

702
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,960
in the saints, the relics of the saints. All this

703
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,320
stuff is very early. It's a you know, post Apostolic period.

704
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,039
You can find all this stuff. So now it's not

705
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:17,639
really anything to do with Constantine. I mean, if people

706
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:20,199
want to doubt the conversion of Constantine, I mean that's

707
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,159
I guess that's up to them.

708
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: But even if you did doubt that, that really.

709
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,559
Speaker 7: Has nothing to do with proving or disproving anything relating

710
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,320
to what we're talking about, because, like I said, the

711
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:32,800
church fathers that are prominent at Nicia and after Nicia

712
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,280
teach all the same stuff as the ones prior to Nicia.

713
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,199
For example, Saint Athanasius, very famous defender of the duty

714
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:40,920
of Christ.

715
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: At Nicia and so forth.

716
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,199
Speaker 7: I mean Athanasius has festal letters that he writes to

717
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,519
his all of the churches under his bishopric for.

718
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: Easter, for Posca.

719
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:53,159
Speaker 7: I mean you could read his postcal letters. So the

720
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,719
very people going to the Council of Nicia have Pascal

721
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,199
East Easter letters. You know, they're famous letters that you

722
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,199
can go read. So and he talks about the celebration

723
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,440
of the feasts and all that. So, No, the origin

724
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:11,039
of these things, although it does pick up elements of

725
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:14,559
the cultures that are that surround you know, the Roman

726
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,920
Empire or that we would you could even say more

727
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,880
so Greek influence, like Byzantium. Like, the origin is really Hebrew.

728
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,119
I mean all of these are Hebrew root. So I

729
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:28,199
don't mean Hebrew roots movement. That's a heretical thing. But

730
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,880
I'm talking about again, Easter is literally Pasca, it's passover,

731
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,039
and if you I mean, it doesn't really make any

732
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,559
sense without passover. And so the fact that for example,

733
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:44,320
Christianity goes into a place where say German tribes celebrate

734
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,760
their version of the rights of the goddess or whatever,

735
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,000
because spring overlaps with that or something that's really just

736
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:52,320
historical coincidences.

737
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: Nothing. There's no evidence.

738
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 7: Or proof for any kind of conspiracy theory there when

739
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,679
all of the stuff that I'm talking about far predates

740
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,000
the the pagan tribes converting.

741
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:05,079
Speaker 1: You know, and every time I talk to you and

742
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:08,440
guests of your caliber, you know, it is always very

743
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,639
shocking to me to be reminded of how much there

744
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:15,480
really is as far as a historical record, because I mean,

745
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,480
when you when you think about anything around third century,

746
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,440
I just feel like everything that has already been turned

747
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:22,760
to dust.

748
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,199
Speaker 2: There's there's nothing left behind.

749
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: There's a very small amount, but there, as you said before,

750
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,920
thousands of pages on any number of areas of what's

751
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,159
been going on around there. Let me ask you about

752
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,719
one thing in particular, and that is the history, the

753
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:43,480
preserved histories of the the the pagan Germanic druid kind

754
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:47,360
of you know, everything that's going on in Europe prior

755
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:53,239
to Christianity's spread throughout the continent. What has been preserved

756
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,360
directly from them, or was it all really just recorded

757
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,599
by early Christians who are interacting with these these tribes

758
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:04,119
and nations.

759
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: No, the latter.

760
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 7: Most of what we have in terms of scholarly you know,

761
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:17,280
documents academia is literally just given to us through the monastics, scholars,

762
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,639
and missionaries of that time period. So, for example, I

763
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:22,960
had some grad classes on this.

764
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: I know about it.

765
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 7: Like if you go and study boe Wolf, a lot

766
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,639
of scholars think that the the there's a recension that

767
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:37,280
Christian monastics did for those texts, and so there's sort

768
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,800
of proto Christian elements in beoe Wolf, which probably suggests

769
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,440
that there were Christian monks that translated or preserved it

770
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,960
and then maybe gave it some sort of christiani Ish

771
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,000
meanings or allegorical, you know, symbolic meanings. Some people think

772
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:53,679
that about you mentioned like Odin, you know that some

773
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,840
people think that monks were even tweaking those stories, and

774
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,400
so Odin Dying on a tree and this kind of

775
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,840
stuff might have been Christian missionaries preserving the text and

776
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,480
then kind of tweaking it to help convert the pagan So.

777
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: All that's possible, But what it does show is.

778
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,679
Speaker 7: Is most people, i think will admit there's that there's

779
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,519
not really a lot of knowledge of the ancient European

780
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:17,320
pagan traditions. If you go into a lot of these groups,

781
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,519
you'll find that the neopagan wotan Ode and all these

782
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,880
different people that they're are knowledge of the they're actually

783
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:28,280
uh doing a lot of reconstructing work. So they're kind

784
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,079
of just kind of making it up as they go.

785
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

786
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 7: If you read a lot of Tolkien, you know, Tolkien

787
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,280
was a specialist in that uh, in that arena, and

788
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,480
you know he was working with the EDAs and these

789
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:41,440
various Icelandic manuscripts and whatnot when he was writing Lord

790
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,320
of the Rings, and you know, there's just not a

791
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,519
whole lot of material that's preserved. There's a there's some,

792
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:51,320
but it's not like there's this all this like arcane

793
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,239
ancient you know, pagan heritage that's hand lore that's handed down.

794
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,760
It's not And most of the modern pagan groups literally

795
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,840
are just reconstructing and making up as they go.

796
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: And that's not.

797
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,119
Speaker 7: Surprising because if you look at a lot of the

798
00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:09,679
other cults and esoteric groups. For example, on my channel,

799
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:12,039
we just lectured through the entire almost the entire five

800
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:17,559
six hundred pages of the recent Cambridge publication of the

801
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:23,039
Cambridge Companion to Western Mysticism and Esoterism. There's multiple chapters

802
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,599
on the Pagan tradition, the ancient mysteries, the ancient Greek

803
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,840
Eleusinian mysteries, the mythras. I read all those chapters, and

804
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,039
what was funny is that many of the neopagan movements,

805
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:37,159
the scholars are admitting that they're just making it up

806
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,880
as they go. There is no ancient traditional pagan religion,

807
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,199
so you have to reconstruct it. Think about Wicca. Wicca

808
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,599
is that very thing Gerald Gardner studied under Croley and

809
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,360
literally has made up an ancient religion. And part of

810
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,079
what Crowley did was create a cult, a kind of

811
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:57,039
grad school to where you learn to make your own cult. Literally,

812
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:02,960
when Crowley was rewriting thet Thelma rituals, he admits he

813
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:05,559
just literally started making it up as he went. And

814
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:07,599
what you'll find is that that's pretty much the case

815
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,920
amongst all these groups, is that there's not actually an

816
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,960
ancient tradition. And that's very unique when you contra I mean,

817
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,280
the Christian Church is unique because whether you like it

818
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,440
or not, there is at least again a very well

819
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:23,000
preserved manuscript tradition, not just of the New Testament Old

820
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:25,679
Testament text with which there's thousands of which there's I mean,

821
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:29,800
there's no ancient sex that has that level of attestation

822
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,199
and number of manuscripts like the Bible of the New Testament,

823
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,039
the Church Fathers, as you just mentioned again thousands of pages,

824
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,280
all those read books right there, which is about eleven volumes.

825
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: Most of that.

826
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,559
Speaker 7: Is from the first three centuries. So that's outstanding compared

827
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:49,440
to I mean, if people want to resurrect some kind

828
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,000
of Nego Pigan whatever, like they don't have anything. They

829
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,760
would be ironically going from Christian monastic translations in the

830
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,079
seventh eighth century. And if you go take a class

831
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,559
on Beowulf at the University of Grady, I'll.

832
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: Tell you all this.

833
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: Let's get into a couple other.

834
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: I'll just pick up a couple more figures, like Santa

835
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:12,480
Claus for example. Now as far as Saint Nicholas, what

836
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,719
has become now, I mean this cartoonish you know display

837
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:18,519
that we have this.

838
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:20,679
Speaker 2: You know where we live right now.

839
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,599
Speaker 1: I understand the difference between the two and how anything

840
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:27,000
can be taken and bastardized in a commercial setting. But

841
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,280
there's a lot of people who say that Santa Claus

842
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,679
himself comes from Odin and that the flying reindeer and

843
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,519
the red and white suit is very is you know,

844
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:41,440
it harkens back to red and white magic mushrooms that

845
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,239
if you take it, you hallucinate. Maybe that's how the

846
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,679
reindeer fly. So again there is more of that going

847
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,400
back to the Yule with the reindeer and everything else.

848
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,159
So with the meshing of all that together, from the

849
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,480
historical figure that is Saint Nicholas to the red and

850
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:02,639
the white and the reindeer, how do you address that?

851
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:04,079
Speaker 3: Right?

852
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 7: So there are way later russo finish, you know, like

853
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:14,920
there are like Russian myths of like guys out in

854
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,119
the woods who are a.

855
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: Father Frost or something like that. He even has a name.

856
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 7: I don't remember his name, but that really has nothing

857
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:23,559
to do with the actual origins of.

858
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,119
Speaker 3: Saint Nicholas. So this is Saint Nicholas.

859
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:31,639
Speaker 7: He's this is an actual guy in the Orthodox Church.

860
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: He was at the council that I see.

861
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 7: In fact, he's famously the bishop who slapped Areas in

862
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,679
the face in the midst of the Council of I see,

863
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:43,800
it's a famous story. You can actually go and read

864
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,000
about Saint Nicholas in terms of his history. We one

865
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:49,679
year ago went to his shrine, So I've actually been

866
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,400
to Saint Nicholas's shrine. Not that that necessarily proves anything,

867
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,679
but it proves that it's really nothing to do with

868
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:02,360
the Amanida Muscara mushroom father, you know know, Father Toadstool,

869
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,480
or whatever the myths of the Pagans are. They might

870
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:08,639
have over time had a kind of a syncretized blending

871
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:11,639
of the stories of Hey, you know, what we believe

872
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:14,400
about Saint Nicholas is kind of related to what we

873
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,960
believe about, you know, Father Toadstool or whatever, the pagan mysteries.

874
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,880
But that's just a kind of a thing that happens

875
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,280
over time. It has nothing to do with whether or

876
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,039
not the actual Saint Nicholas is a you know, a

877
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:28,280
guy who existed or not, which he did. I mean,

878
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:31,519
I go to Saint Nicholas Orthodox Church, so we have

879
00:49:31,559 --> 00:49:35,440
a very close connection to the actual Santa Claus. But

880
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,800
you're absolutely right that over time, I think Coca Cola

881
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,960
played a huge role in taking that imagery of I

882
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,719
mean you'll notice, like the original Saint Nicholas, he kind

883
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,480
of you know, he's got red garments and he's got

884
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,039
his vestiments on, so you could kind of see how

885
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:52,599
this might turn into you.

886
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:53,599
Speaker 3: Know, Santa Claus.

887
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 7: But yeah, I think American corporations play a huge role

888
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,920
in that and sort of corporatizing it and divorcing from anything.

889
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: To do with Christian tradition.

890
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,679
Speaker 7: But of course that doesn't mean that all the legends

891
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,800
around this this saint are true, or that there or

892
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,440
that there weren't much later syncretized blended myths about the

893
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,800
two the pagan and the Christian figure.

894
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,119
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I can totally see anybody who spends

895
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:21,800
any time on the Internet should be able to understand

896
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,000
how when you just you leave an idea to any

897
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:27,719
kind of culture or subculture, what what happens to it

898
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,519
over time? I mean, just look at the the timeline

899
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:33,880
of development for the wojack and any other meme, any

900
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,079
kind of any genre, subgenre of memes out there. I

901
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:41,760
mean there there are fifteen fifteen year storylines now as

902
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,119
to how we got to these levels of memes and

903
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:47,480
what it's all micro references, it's become religious.

904
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 3: Exactly that's a good knowledgy.

905
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,639
Speaker 1: Yeah but yeah, but okay, so what we're talking about

906
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:55,599
here is mostly all just in Europe. When you get

907
00:50:55,599 --> 00:51:00,119
into the Bill Mahers the Stephen Fries, we get a

908
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:04,800
lot of taking from everywhere around the world, Egypt with

909
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,400
Horace and Osiris, even though the one thing I will

910
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,400
say is that when it comes to December twenty fifth,

911
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,559
the only place that I personally, with what little research

912
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,599
I've done, have been able to find a direct match

913
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:18,400
with is Sole and Victus. And of course we know

914
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,920
that the timelines show that that was moved to compete

915
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,079
with Christianity and not to.

916
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 2: Knock the other way around to you know, it wasn't.

917
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,639
Speaker 1: So what with Mithras, I don't see I really don't

918
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,920
even see anything that's mixed on where you know that's

919
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:36,880
December twenty fifth.

920
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: I didn't see that anywhere Egypt.

921
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 7: Well, I think, yeah, so there's nothing to do with

922
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:43,840
December twenty fifth with that. But what what the overlaps

923
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:48,119
with Mythras are the importance of blood sacrifice. You get

924
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:50,960
a baptism of blood in the Mithra cult.

925
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: There's a lot of virgin there's a lot of virgin births.

926
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 3: There's no but I mean there was like all this.

927
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,199
Speaker 7: This is the thing is that like almost all ancient

928
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,360
religions in some way utilize a lot of these kind

929
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,039
of archetypal ideas, the virgin right, the death resurrection ritual.

930
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,400
That's like literally every religion. So it's a it's again,

931
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,280
it's a fallacy, like a literal fallacy to think that

932
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,599
because there's similarities that therefore they have.

933
00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:19,639
Speaker 3: A common origin. Right, they may.

934
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 7: But just because they bear similarities or there's some overlap, again,

935
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,360
it's a non secutor. Doesn't follow from that that therefore

936
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,840
Christianity is taking from the Pagans.

937
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: It's just a it's a fallacy.

938
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,119
Speaker 7: You actually have to demonstrate it because you could literally

939
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,280
argue in any The reason it's a fallacy is that

940
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:39,159
it could go anyway.

941
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 3: You go either way, Well, how do you know that

942
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,360
it's not the Pagan's borrowing from the Christian tradition?

943
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:49,159
Speaker 7: Right, So it'd be like saying that the great analogy

944
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:52,320
people make is like, well, you know, let's say I

945
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:58,159
create a company and it looks very similar in terms

946
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:02,519
of its you know, symbology to the Apple logo, and

947
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:06,599
I call it bitten Apple, Right, and then five thousand

948
00:53:06,679 --> 00:53:10,280
years from now, archaeologists look back and they say, oh, look,

949
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,159
you know, here's this guy.

950
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: He's got a company. It's called bitten Apple.

951
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 7: And then we get this other company called Apple, and

952
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,079
they're around the same time. So Apple must have borrowed

953
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:20,639
from bitten Apple, right, I mean that would be false

954
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,800
because you know, you're just sort of making you're doing

955
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,440
guess work thousands of years later about which one came first.

956
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,679
And just because something that came first, it also doesn't

957
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,280
necessarily mean that the thing that came later necessarily borrowed

958
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,639
from it. It could, but not necessarily. It might have

959
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:39,239
arisen with its own tradition irrespective or independent from this

960
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,159
other thing that had similarities. So all of the ancient

961
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:46,719
religions have all of them have certain things that are similar,

962
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,599
but it doesn't follow from that that they have the

963
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:50,679
same origin or that they're the same religion.

964
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:51,679
Speaker 3: It's just a fallacy.

965
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:53,639
Speaker 7: Let me give you some examples of a couple of

966
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:56,440
things where there's a great article written by a scholar

967
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:58,519
actually in a non Christian book.

968
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 3: So there's a book called the and this.

969
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 7: Is Everybody Loves Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell. They think

970
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,000
it's also mystical. Indeed, Well, here's a book called the

971
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:09,880
Mysteries that's written that's addited by Joseph Campbell and includes

972
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,559
a bunch of Carl Young stuff, and there's a great.

973
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,039
Speaker 3: Essay in this.

974
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 7: I didn't expect it to be what it was. It's

975
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,599
called The Christian Mysteries and the Pagan Mysteries by a

976
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:21,360
guy named Hugo Ronner, who's a scholar from about fifty

977
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,679
years ago. And the whole essay is just going through

978
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,400
all the ancient mystery religions and comparing and contrasting to

979
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:32,599
the Christian religion in the early Church in the first,

980
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:33,599
second or third century.

981
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 3: And what he notes is that.

982
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:38,599
Speaker 7: The Christian mysteries, or what we call the sacrament so

983
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:41,800
Paul talks about the revelation of the mysteries in christ

984
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,280
is that there's a clear difference. The difference has summed

985
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,239
up in three main points. He argues Christianity is a

986
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,559
mystery of revelation, meaning that the mysteries become clear, they

987
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:58,920
are revealed to us. They do not remain inscrutable unknown mysteries. Secondly,

988
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,320
Christianity is mainly concerned with ethical living and concerns the

989
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,679
Mystery religions were not concerned with ethics. They weren't concerned

990
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:10,119
with the tank commandments. Were you a virtuous person or whatever.

991
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,079
It's all sacrificed ritual to control the gods. Right, And

992
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:20,599
Christianity is a mystery of salvation by grace and not

993
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,239
by all of these crazy rituals and rites and whatever.

994
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:28,599
And also Christianity is pro history. The Mystery religions are

995
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:33,760
unanimously anti history. You're flying from history and time to

996
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,760
get into the realm of the gods, the ancient golden times, whatever,

997
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,599
the prime evil, the one, the transcendent mystery realm. You're

998
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,280
trying to get away from time and space in the

999
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,920
Mystery religions, and Jesus came into time and space to

1000
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,719
sanctify time and space because we're resurrected in bodies. The

1001
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,599
Mystery religions don't teach resurrection of the body.

1002
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:58,039
Speaker 3: Egypt is of course a unique outlier in that.

1003
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 7: But you could argue that Egyptian monotheism and resurrection might

1004
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,880
have been influenced by Joseph's presence or Moses's presence in.

1005
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: Egypt if you read the Book of Genesis.

1006
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 7: So we don't know in a lot of these ancient

1007
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,639
historical cases how it went down.

1008
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 3: There's a lot of.

1009
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 7: Guesswork that goes into ancient history. There's far more that

1010
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,400
we don't know than we do know. So when people

1011
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,719
try to make these sort of outlandist dogmatic claims, oh well,

1012
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,519
we know that Judaism and Christianity borrowed from all these

1013
00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:28,480
pagan religions. If you focus on and look at the

1014
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:35,280
contrast the difference between the religion in the in the

1015
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,119
Mosaic Law and the Pentateuch, the difference in the Revelation

1016
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,360
in the New Testament in Christ versus the religions around

1017
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,920
the surrounding cultures, there's far more of a contrast and

1018
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,880
difference and fundamental theology then there is superficial similarity.

1019
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think that's really when when

1020
00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:57,480
when you bring it up that way, I think that's why.

1021
00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:01,519
It brings me back to the question not very dissimilar

1022
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:05,199
to the one that you, me and Tim Gordon discussed

1023
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:07,559
the last time we were all on together, that question being

1024
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:12,280
why Christianity. If there are there are similarities, if there

1025
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,880
are synchronicities, that there are these things there, but if

1026
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,280
a person had no faith to speak of but they

1027
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,159
were curious, and they're actively searching, and they want they

1028
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:22,880
want to figure something out for themselves.

1029
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: What about the story of Christmas?

1030
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: Do you believe sets it apart from everything that came

1031
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,559
before or after it? Because faith is at the center

1032
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:34,920
of the matter, no matter what. But this is also

1033
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,760
why we were talking about the importance of the validity.

1034
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,480
I think a lot of people put a lot of

1035
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,320
a lot of energy into the validity of relics and

1036
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,960
miracles and all that stuff because they I think everybody

1037
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,559
would wish that they can just have a road to

1038
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:54,840
Damascus moment and get struck by something that they they saw,

1039
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,159
something they can't unsee that. You know, sometimes the philosophy

1040
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:03,079
of everything, research, the thinking, all that stuff can just

1041
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,400
break your mind because you're talking about things that are

1042
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,280
mainly metaphysical and beyond our understanding. So that's why when

1043
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,840
I brought up relics and miracles, why there might be

1044
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,159
so important to most people is because it provides maybe

1045
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:19,400
some sort of empirical data to support the faith. Do

1046
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,519
you fall what do you find is could be a

1047
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:24,880
really great source of empirical data to say one hundred

1048
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,280
percent this is the truth?

1049
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:31,519
Speaker 2: Uh, well, I.

1050
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 7: Mean as a as an Orthodox person, I mean and

1051
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,719
a person who's in the philosophy. I don't know that

1052
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,639
there is a strong empirical thing that I could point to,

1053
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,800
because anything in the empirical realm is going to be

1054
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,800
subject to interpretation, and you're going to interpret your empirical

1055
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,239
data according to the worldview of the paradigm that you have.

1056
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,320
So I would say the strongest evidence would be you

1057
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,760
just have to go to an Orthodox Divine liturgy and

1058
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,920
begin to experience it for yourself. That's the only empirical

1059
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,960
experience that I could recommend. The most Orthodox churches, if

1060
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,519
you want to check out a relic or what like,

1061
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:07,960
they're filled, They're filled with relics and they're filled with icons.

1062
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,639
So go check out an Orthodox liturgy, especially during Christmas.

1063
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:16,159
But again, like I was thinking of things that contrast

1064
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:22,480
the mystery religions to the revelation of Christianity. The mystery

1065
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:28,039
religions are clouded. History is cyclical and not beginning middle end.

1066
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:32,440
There's usually a goddess and an escurt who's an es

1067
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,679
court to the male God. There's no escort goddess in Christianity.

1068
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:41,800
The mystery religions almost always utilized drugs, some kind of

1069
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,199
allucinogenic drug. That's in the Cambridge Companion, the history of

1070
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,719
Eleusinian mysteries that utilize hallucinogens to have the revelation of

1071
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,639
the true whatever the anyway, and the mystery is always

1072
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:55,039
you are God, right, the mystery religions, the ancient that

1073
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:57,679
the ultimate secret. Literally, if you read the Cambridge Companion

1074
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,000
like it says across the board, like all these ancient

1075
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,960
the mystery religions are basically just telling you at the

1076
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:04,760
end of the process and of the initiatory process, oh,

1077
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:05,679
by the way, you're God.

1078
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:06,679
Speaker 3: I mean.

1079
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 7: So it's just like I mean, every self help guru

1080
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,000
would tell you the same thing. The mystery religions are

1081
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:16,559
anti history, and so I think that you know, Christianity

1082
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:20,000
is not a cloudy religion. Orthodox Ritianity doesn't teach a

1083
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,719
cyclical view of history. There's no goddess. You're not going

1084
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,639
to get a shortcut to elimination through drug use.

1085
01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 3: There's no hatred of history.

1086
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,239
Speaker 7: And rather than saying you are God, and the Orthodox

1087
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:37,360
Christian idea of theosis, you become God through grace, through

1088
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:38,920
participating in the divine energy.

1089
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:41,559
Speaker 3: So it's become a son of God. Through grace.

1090
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:45,239
Speaker 7: You don't become God himself, but you do become deified.

1091
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,360
So I would say that's a big Those are all

1092
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:51,239
very big contrasts to the ancient mystery religions, and empirically,

1093
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,920
I would just say, you'd have to go check it out.

1094
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess the closest I've ever gotten to

1095
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,760
anything like that is really an analyzing the opposition to

1096
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,920
all this stuff, because I respect anybody's skepticism. I know

1097
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,679
when somebody is, hey, I still come upon questions that

1098
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:12,519
crop up for me along the way, and yeah, yeah,

1099
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,039
and I and I really, especially if somebody approaches a

1100
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,280
dialectic or anything like that in good faith, I think

1101
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,679
it's great because it's you just it's it's a growing experience.

1102
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:24,559
But I guess it's just it's just enough for a

1103
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:27,079
lot of people out there to point out that throughout history,

1104
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,519
human being apparently just saying, oh, human beings have worshiped

1105
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:34,079
a vast array of gods over the course of history

1106
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:36,599
is enough to just take everything down.

1107
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,039
Speaker 2: And as in these you.

1108
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: Know, on these HBO specials and stuff, and that in

1109
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,199
itself is their gotcha question or their gotcha statement, because

1110
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:50,599
Ultimately they believe that every as tech deity was bullshit

1111
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:53,639
as well, especially when we're talking about like new atheism.

1112
01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:57,840
But there is a certain reverence still that they have

1113
01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:01,679
for for example, Native American Religon, just because all this

1114
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:08,239
stuff creates a an environment of plurality, and plurality is

1115
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,840
the primary weapon that is used to undercut Christianity in particular.

1116
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 2: That's that's that's the thing.

1117
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: The first thing I started noticing time and time again

1118
01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:19,800
before I ever even consider going back to church regularly,

1119
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:25,119
is that even in these very Kumbayah ways of introducing

1120
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:28,320
and really plugging the idea of plurality, it's all about

1121
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,840
putting a barb in the side of Christianity. And because

1122
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,679
that seems to be in the cross hairs of every

1123
01:02:34,719 --> 01:02:37,039
major power out there right.

1124
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 7: Well, again, the basics of Christianity are, you're going to

1125
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,880
have objective morals, tenk commandments. A man has dignity because

1126
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,599
he's mandamaged of God. So you can't kill you know,

1127
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,639
will you know? The it limits the state. The state

1128
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:50,559
can't say it's God.

1129
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:52,079
Speaker 3: You know.

1130
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:56,039
Speaker 7: It teaches people to live in sobriety, with self control.

1131
01:02:57,599 --> 01:02:59,639
It doesn't say the world is evil. You don't have

1132
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:01,880
to flee from the world. You just have to live

1133
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,440
according to you know, the Covenant, so to speak. So

1134
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:08,800
I think those are all net positives. Are kind of

1135
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:13,320
obviously good for mankind, and they're not good for you know,

1136
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:17,599
the control system of this world. So they have to

1137
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:19,639
try to subvert it, try to control it, to try

1138
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:22,480
to destroy it. You know, the devil's been trying to

1139
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,000
do that for two thousand plus years, to destroy the

1140
01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:28,360
church still here. I think it's the Orthodox Church. I't

1141
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,800
think it's Romancalic Church. I think the Roman Galicy Church

1142
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,639
is obviously evil. But yeah, I think there's all kinds

1143
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:38,320
of historical testimonies and evidences you could look at like that,

1144
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:42,519
you know, the fulfilled prophecies and messianic prophecies about Christ himself,

1145
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:45,679
of which there are dozens and dozens and dozens throughout

1146
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:47,400
the Old Testament, if not just five or ten like

1147
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,239
Protestants think, there's dozens all over the place, probably one

1148
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,840
hundred plus. So you know, there's a lot of different

1149
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,119
evidences that one could look at. But I think you're

1150
01:03:56,199 --> 01:04:00,639
right to say that, you know, the new atheism and

1151
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:02,559
all of that. I actually think there's that's a that's

1152
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:04,840
a promoted by the establishment as well. I don't think

1153
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,840
that's any kind of real, uh counter establishment movement. And

1154
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,280
then if you look at the argumentation that they give,

1155
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,920
it's actually not a very good argument to say that, well,

1156
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,519
all these uh you know, humans have always worshiped various deities,

1157
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:21,719
therefore this other one is the one that you worship

1158
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,639
is also false. Well that isn't the fact that people

1159
01:04:24,679 --> 01:04:28,599
did this doesn't actually tell me whether it's true or false.

1160
01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 3: So that's actually a fallacy.

1161
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:33,679
Speaker 7: So uh, I mean, because people did things in the past,

1162
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,000
even if they're right or wrong, that doesn't tell me

1163
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:39,199
that the people that are doing it today are necessarily

1164
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:42,880
true that it's wrong or right. So again, there's all

1165
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,400
these logical leaps. And what's amazing to me is that somebody,

1166
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,599
the new atheists, like they're not even proficient and basic

1167
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:49,599
logical fallacies.

1168
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:51,559
Speaker 1: No, you're you're right on that. And of course this

1169
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:53,719
is your this is your forte. I mean, you spend

1170
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,199
most of your time seeking out debates, and I've watched

1171
01:04:57,239 --> 01:05:00,079
many of them, and uh, you know, it's it's one

1172
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:02,840
of those things where I take a look at it

1173
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:07,880
and I can really respect to you know, intellectual giants,

1174
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,679
one that is just you know, a theist and one

1175
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:14,079
that is an atheist, just going at each other, and

1176
01:05:14,199 --> 01:05:17,800
I want to see whose position is winning out logically.

1177
01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:22,679
But to your point, new atheism is really built on

1178
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:28,719
this comedy central format of delivering information. It's largely based

1179
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,400
and built upon a set of sneering inside jokes.

1180
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:34,559
Speaker 2: It's not a lot of thinking.

1181
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,239
Speaker 1: And I'm you know, I'm totally comfortable with people being skeptical,

1182
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,920
but this is just, uh, you can just tell if

1183
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,559
you watched any episode of John Oliver, you know exactly

1184
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:46,280
what you're going to deal with when you are talking

1185
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,639
to an atheist these days about this subject. So anyway,

1186
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:53,480
that's Jay. It's been a wonderful time with you tonight.

1187
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:55,960
Is there anything you want to leave us with, any

1188
01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:58,599
new appearances you got coming up, what you got going

1189
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:00,599
on for the rest of the holiday, or if there's

1190
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:04,159
any really important pieces of information about this subject you

1191
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:05,519
didn't want to leave on the table.

1192
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:08,519
Speaker 3: I think we had most of the highlights.

1193
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I've got a lot of debates with

1194
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:15,159
academic atheists and people like you know, doctor Malpass or

1195
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,840
Matt Dilla, Hunty, Stefan Malin, you have debated all those

1196
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,559
kind of academic minded atheists, and people want to go

1197
01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:24,519
check out those old debates. But no, I think we

1198
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:26,440
kind of hit all the main points I was thinking of.

1199
01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:29,039
Thank you for having me. It's always great to come on.

1200
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:31,760
I love the conversations. We have so many good book

1201
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,719
reviews that we've done over the years. But yeah, I

1202
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,559
would say I'm going to be covering some more of

1203
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:41,159
the espionage topic. I've been covering this really excellent history

1204
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:44,639
of on my channel, the spies of the British Empire

1205
01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:47,280
who were sent out to find gold I'm excuse me,

1206
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:51,159
to find oil black gold, and that really helps under

1207
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,239
explain like the setup of the modern Middle East, how

1208
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,039
we got to where we are in the modern Middle

1209
01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:59,599
East through these famous spies of the British Empire. So

1210
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:02,239
we're run out over my channel as well as all

1211
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,199
the open forums and that kind of stuff. And uh uh,

1212
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,679
maybe maybe shifting over into doing a lot more comedy.

1213
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,239
Speaker 3: So I might be doing a show with h with.

1214
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 7: Sam Hyde, so nice, but that happens, then, uh, you know,

1215
01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:18,360
we'll be shifting into probably doing a lot more comedy

1216
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:19,079
than we have been.

1217
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 3: So less debates and more comedy if that if that

1218
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:22,280
comes about.

1219
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:24,719
Speaker 1: Well, that'd be great man. You know, it's always good

1220
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:27,719
to move things around. And if you if that ever

1221
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,360
brings you money chance into the New York tri state area,

1222
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:31,800
you got.

1223
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:32,079
Speaker 2: To come visit.

1224
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be up there that way.

1225
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: You got it too. You got to visit the studio absolutely, yeah.

1226
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 3: I'd love to man, love to hang out, all.

1227
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,079
Speaker 1: Right, brother, have a great night, Merry Christmas. If we

1228
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:41,440
don't speak, and I'll talk to you soon.

1229
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:42,159
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1230
01:07:42,159 --> 01:07:43,719
Speaker 7: And by the way, if people want a good, wacky

1231
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,719
Christmas gift, you can always get my books.

1232
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:46,119
Speaker 3: That's the trek.

1233
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 7: Holly Wood wanted to sign copies that Jason Allis is

1234
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:52,400
in the shop and Alex won his judgment, so I

1235
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,760
should be continuing to do this hopefully, uh for the

1236
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,199
foreseeable future, I guess. And then I'm working on so

1237
01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:02,440
Tury call you with three so that book will be

1238
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:03,679
out pretty soon too.

1239
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: So that's that's the fourth hour on Info Wars on Fridays, right, yeah, okay,

1240
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,119
the good So you can listen to Jay there on

1241
01:08:10,159 --> 01:08:13,079
the fourth hour on Fridays on Info Wars wherever you

1242
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:17,359
listen to it. I usually bounce in on those those

1243
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:21,159
slots on the talkstream map and all that. I like

1244
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:23,640
the audio streams, but it's great to hear from you.

1245
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,960
I hope I have Jasonalysis dot com. As in the

1246
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,920
description of the episode, I hope people go buy some

1247
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,119
books and enjoy the rest of your work.

1248
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 2: Thanks my man.

1249
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 3: All right, thanks Rany, take care.

1250
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: All right, there he goes. It's eight oh seven pm.

1251
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:38,159
Speaker 1: Let's take a really quick break when we come back,

1252
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,159
gonna do your calls. We're gonna bring that maybe until

1253
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:43,800
about the bottom of the hour. It's only about twenty

1254
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,279
three minutes from now, and then we'll just we're going

1255
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:50,560
to go right into the the UFOs. We're going to

1256
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,079
go right into the UFOs. And today we actually they

1257
01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:57,680
dropped the term mothership. Drop the term mothership. Of course,

1258
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,520
it's an iranium mothership. It's not like a blue wavian.

1259
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:07,239
You know, we're not talking about uh, not talking about

1260
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:09,680
anything too crazy. I don't even know how the Uranians

1261
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,960
could stay up. I don't get it. I don't get it.

1262
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:16,640
When I think ever, I think about the Iranian Navy,

1263
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,840
I think about like hot shots part do you or

1264
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,920
something like that, just like little little river boats. Maybe

1265
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,279
I'm wrong, Probably probably am, but we'll be right back.

1266
01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,680
Bring all of your comments and questions. You can send

1267
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,199
them to the Quite Frankly superchat dot com put them

1268
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:35,399
into the the rumble rants. I can't wait to read

1269
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,359
your rumble rants and also the gold pills on quite

1270
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:40,680
frankly dot tv. Be right back.

1271
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:45,159
Speaker 3: It's intermission time, folks, I'm out depressed their life fdon

1272
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:46,319
thank you.

1273
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 2: Welcome to intermission.

1274
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, good missions.

1275
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: You are now entering quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly,

1276
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:38,880
quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly,

1277
01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:43,039
quite frankly, frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly.

1278
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 2: Frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, quite frankly, guys,

1279
01:10:47,079 --> 01:10:48,159
quite frankly.

1280
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, quite frankly.

1281
01:10:49,960 --> 01:11:09,319
Speaker 2: So everybody watched quite frankly with frank quite frankly, I

1282
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:10,119
don't dare you?

1283
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:20,319
Speaker 3: All right?

1284
01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:23,520
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the quite Frankly Cafe. I hope you're

1285
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:33,600
enjoying yourself. Coffee is on, the coffee is hot, all right,

1286
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,239
so it's always great when Jay stops by. We're going

1287
01:11:36,279 --> 01:11:39,680
to open up the lines now nine four two hundred

1288
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:40,680
two sixty nine.

1289
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,199
Speaker 2: Whatever you want to bring to the table, go ahead,

1290
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:46,640
go ahead.

1291
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: It would be wonderful to hear from you, Soose two

1292
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,000
says a great guest tonight, Frank, thank you and shout

1293
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,760
out to all the Franklis and Franciscans. I hope to

1294
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:58,680
get really Christmasy next week. I really do.

1295
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 2: Well, we have to. It's a last week.

1296
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,199
Speaker 1: Last week, and then that next Monday, the twenty third,

1297
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:06,319
I'll have my parents in here. We'll have a little

1298
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:08,720
bit of a family stream, and then it's you know

1299
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,760
that Christmas Week gets broken up pretty good by the holiday.

1300
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,720
But and then after that it's the New Year's Eve disruption.

1301
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,680
Our first show back on the air, I think it's

1302
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,880
going to be Wednesday or Thursday. I think Thursday. The

1303
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:30,079
second you know who we got called into the show

1304
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:32,800
right now. It is a good friend of mine. I'd

1305
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,960
spoke about him last night. Actually it's Wayne Smoldridge.

1306
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 5: How are you Wayne, I'm done, I'm calling you back now.

1307
01:12:41,159 --> 01:12:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to hear from you.

1308
01:12:42,359 --> 01:12:44,239
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I shouted you out the other

1309
01:12:44,359 --> 01:12:48,159
night and people don't don't believe because you're you're active

1310
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:50,279
in the chat room you've been called in for years.

1311
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,520
Speaker 2: Will you celebrated to your ninetieth birthday this year?

1312
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 3: Right?

1313
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,399
Speaker 2: Wayne?

1314
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 5: Yes, but actually I'm not ninety What.

1315
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 3: Are you.

1316
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 5: Fours?

1317
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:04,399
Speaker 2: Ah see, you're almost ninety one?

1318
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 5: My gosh, yeah, yeah, my birthday. You show to yours?

1319
01:13:09,399 --> 01:13:10,279
Speaker 2: What do you in March?

1320
01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 5: Well, late March, March thirtieth, March thirtieth.

1321
01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:16,199
Speaker 1: Oh wow, only a couple of days, you know, Wayne,

1322
01:13:16,319 --> 01:13:19,880
you know what this means, right? This means if you're

1323
01:13:20,039 --> 01:13:22,279
in March, you're gonna be ninety one. This means that

1324
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:26,439
next Christmas is almost going to be You're at You're

1325
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:30,760
almost at the nat King Cole cut off the Christmas song. Hey,

1326
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,520
you know, you get you get wish to merry Christmas,

1327
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,640
whether you're one to ninety two. Once you get past, right,

1328
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,039
you don't you get, you don't get anywhere.

1329
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 5: Whether it drops off after that.

1330
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: Then you don't get any more special treatment after ninety two.

1331
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,079
Speaker 2: Wayne, just let you know, well.

1332
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 5: Well that's where it goes, That's where it goes. But anyway,

1333
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:50,520
I also I want to let you I got got

1334
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:55,800
three books for book club, and that's how I'm lined

1335
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,600
up for that, you know. I like that. So saying

1336
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:04,319
that I'm not sure that the video things, but oh.

1337
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know what, the film club is going

1338
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,840
to be something else. I think I think it'll actually

1339
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,960
be a lot easier to do because obviously, with film Club,

1340
01:14:13,039 --> 01:14:16,760
it'll just be all right, everybody watch this movie and

1341
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,039
we're going to get together on this night, maybe the

1342
01:14:19,119 --> 01:14:22,199
last Monday of a film club month, so everybody has

1343
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,760
about three weeks to What I would really love is

1344
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,800
to be able to get everybody together for a group viewing,

1345
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,039
but that's not that's not gonna be feasible.

1346
01:14:30,079 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 5: So I just think that's not possible.

1347
01:14:32,079 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm glad you're gonna be with us for

1348
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,079
for book Club, we're starting off with Fhrenheit four or

1349
01:14:36,119 --> 01:14:37,840
five one, of course, that's right.

1350
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:42,079
Speaker 5: You know. When I when I contacted Amazon, I said

1351
01:14:42,119 --> 01:14:48,199
Fahrenheit five nine one. They corrected it for me. But

1352
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:50,439
I got the book. I got all three. I got

1353
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:57,479
all three books, you know, The Big Fisherman and Tom.

1354
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:58,720
Oh yeah, yeah.

1355
01:14:58,720 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: That's great, that's great.

1356
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: I can't I can't wait to read Tom Sawyer because

1357
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,319
that's just one of those things.

1358
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, you sort of know, but you don't know.

1359
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Yeah, there are certain works of art,

1360
01:15:11,119 --> 01:15:14,720
whether it be written or visual or something like that,

1361
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,239
or movie that just get bigger than itself. They become

1362
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,479
just they become so culturally important that you get all

1363
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,079
the references even if you didn't even read or watch it.

1364
01:15:24,119 --> 01:15:26,560
And that's that's I want to get all that that

1365
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,079
Mark Twain stuff out of the way.

1366
01:15:28,119 --> 01:15:31,239
Speaker 5: And I, yeah, that'd be most Queen's very good. I

1367
01:15:31,279 --> 01:15:34,000
always liked him, but I never really read these books

1368
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:35,279
read honestly.

1369
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 2: There you go, we do that together.

1370
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 5: So anyway, well, I just want to let you know

1371
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,880
that I'm calling in and I call him when I

1372
01:15:45,039 --> 01:15:48,000
had something pertinent to call about. But other than that,

1373
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:51,680
you know, I'm just sort of a greeted on YouTube

1374
01:15:52,319 --> 01:15:52,880
chat room.

1375
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: So well, you do very well, Wayne, You're I hope

1376
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,520
I can be as active as you are when I

1377
01:15:58,560 --> 01:15:59,920
am ninety and three quarter.

1378
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 5: Thanks for the call, and thank you. I appreciate talking

1379
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:03,840
to you.

1380
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 2: All right, take care. All right, there you go. Such

1381
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:12,840
a nice, nice man, such a southern gentleman. There you go.

1382
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:16,399
Like that. I like that.

1383
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 1: I always like getting calls from him. We've getting calls

1384
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,319
for a long time, all right. Jay Britz is great

1385
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:24,560
discussion with Jay Dyer as always, Frank, thank you well,

1386
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,800
thank you. Jay Simmos is a great guest. I can't

1387
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,279
wait for the UFO discussion. Oh it's a discussion and

1388
01:16:29,319 --> 01:16:32,840
a half. What the hell is going on right now?

1389
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,880
Cave Toad says, debunk the rebunk, Frank, keep it up.

1390
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:39,479
Dawn says, Merry Christmas, Frank, much love to you and

1391
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,760
your family. Thank you, Dawn. This is all on quite

1392
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:46,720
frankly dot TV. And then Sean Joe with two cookies. Well,

1393
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,800
without further ado, let's just jump right into it. Do

1394
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,800
I have anything else I want to throw out there first?

1395
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 8: No?

1396
01:16:55,079 --> 01:16:58,359
Speaker 1: I mean there's plenty plenty that we talked about. So again,

1397
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,800
you can comment on whatever you like. We haven't totally

1398
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,079
moved on from that. Call in for comment if you'd like.

1399
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:06,159
But here is what I wanted to get into now.

1400
01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:09,199
It's eight fifteen. Let's just jump into it. After this

1401
01:17:09,279 --> 01:17:11,199
call six zero eight, you're on the air.

1402
01:17:11,239 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 9: Go ahead, Hi, Frank, it's Jenny.

1403
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 2: How you doing, Jenny, good to hear from you doing well?

1404
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 9: Doing well?

1405
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:19,159
Speaker 2: Yes?

1406
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 3: Good.

1407
01:17:21,359 --> 01:17:24,119
Speaker 9: I just called because I wanted to tell you that

1408
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,720
I watched the After Hours. It was the Star of Bethlehem. Yes,

1409
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:30,960
you had that on Sunday.

1410
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,039
Speaker 7: I think it was, yes, and.

1411
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 2: It's gonna be on again tonight, but I wanted to.

1412
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:40,039
Speaker 9: Beg Yeah, it is fascinating, Frank, Yes it is. I

1413
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:43,640
just loved it. It is just fascinating. Thank you for

1414
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:44,600
showing that again.

1415
01:17:45,359 --> 01:17:47,239
Speaker 1: Well it's gonna be on, It's gonna be on a

1416
01:17:47,239 --> 01:17:49,079
little bit. Well, it'll be on the same time. I

1417
01:17:49,159 --> 01:17:51,840
think I started that. No, No, that one might have

1418
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,359
gone on late night on Sunday after the feature.

1419
01:17:54,359 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 2: I think we did it. It's a Wonderful Life and

1420
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:56,319
then that.

1421
01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:00,239
Speaker 1: But tonight when we end at nine, that's gonna start

1422
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:02,680
at nine thirty, So even if you're watching it on

1423
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,119
the East Coast, it'll be it'll be done by like

1424
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:08,279
ten forty five or whatever. And it's just so fascinating

1425
01:18:08,319 --> 01:18:10,960
because not only do we have, for example, tonight with

1426
01:18:11,319 --> 01:18:15,960
Jay Dyer talking about the actual chronological how does that

1427
01:18:16,079 --> 01:18:19,720
nine months of time shake out over the course of

1428
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,640
a year, as you know, as put together by what

1429
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,520
we learned through the Gospel of Luke and everything, but

1430
01:18:26,079 --> 01:18:30,439
as you see in that, there is an astronomical element

1431
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:34,760
to this that that actually proves, not only proves, but

1432
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,840
explains why the things that were going on in the

1433
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:42,560
sky at the time of Christ's birth was incredible. It

1434
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,279
was impossible as far as timing goes, and it.

1435
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:50,199
Speaker 9: Was just exactly exactly. And that's the thing. It's like,

1436
01:18:50,399 --> 01:18:54,159
some people believe that the Great Pyramid was built during

1437
01:18:54,199 --> 01:18:58,159
the Age of Leo, which would have been when the

1438
01:18:58,279 --> 01:19:01,399
constellation of Leo came up over the horizon. I believe

1439
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:05,000
in the eastern sky, probably in the spring or what

1440
01:19:05,159 --> 01:19:08,239
a certain time of year and that. And so when

1441
01:19:08,279 --> 01:19:10,800
you look at the the Sphinx, I mean, I'm sorry,

1442
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,640
when you look at the sphinx, its head looks very

1443
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,520
small compared to its body. And my belief in that

1444
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,479
is that some faraoh many many years later said, oh,

1445
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,960
I think my face would look nice up there. Let's

1446
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,720
carve that thing down. I think it was a lion.

1447
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:29,039
Speaker 2: A lot of.

1448
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: People think that, and I a lot of people I've

1449
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,720
heard that, and it's very compelling stuff because you're like,

1450
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,640
you're right, you're right. It seems like disproportionate. There should

1451
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:41,640
have been something much bigger there, and perhaps it was.

1452
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 9: Well, I've always known that, you know, I think I

1453
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,479
think the stars and the sky and God, it's all

1454
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,960
it's all really important. But thank you so much for

1455
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,960
playing that, and I'll watch it again. It was absolutely

1456
01:19:54,079 --> 01:19:54,960
fascinating show.

1457
01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:57,520
Speaker 1: Well, well, thank you, Jenny, and I'll be watching it

1458
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,880
tonight as well because I get a kick out of that,

1459
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:04,640
and like I said, it just adds the improbability level

1460
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,359
of all that. It just makes you wonder whose hands

1461
01:20:07,359 --> 01:20:12,439
at work here? Thanks again for the call tonight nine thirty.

1462
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:17,119
The first thirty minutes is actually really really interesting as well.

1463
01:20:17,239 --> 01:20:24,000
So there you have it. All right, let's jump into this. Now,

1464
01:20:24,039 --> 01:20:30,079
this was yesterday, Tracy put this up? Who the hell

1465
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:36,760
is this? Drones are sophisticated. Wait, let me click through

1466
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,880
to see where this is from. All right, here, listen

1467
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,720
to this guy in Morris County twenty.

1468
01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:45,560
Speaker 7: I don't know how many mayors sent a letter to

1469
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,920
you this morning, ask it for a clarification.

1470
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 3: What can you tell us? What is going on?

1471
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,119
Speaker 7: And why is it ticket so long to come up

1472
01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:52,800
with an ext one nation?

1473
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a good I don't blame people for being frustrated.

1474
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,760
Let me say, most importantly right up front, we see

1475
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:03,199
no evidence and I say this includes Homeland Security, FBI,

1476
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:08,680
Secret Service, our state police authorities at all levels of government.

1477
01:21:09,399 --> 01:21:11,439
The most important point to say is we don't see

1478
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,239
any concern for public safety.

1479
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: See here's the thing to keep saying that, and we

1480
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:18,079
know that they'll lie to us about anything. These are

1481
01:21:18,119 --> 01:21:20,479
just very basic talking points about things in the sky.

1482
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:27,319
But the New Jersey aspect of this story has really

1483
01:21:27,319 --> 01:21:31,119
only become very popular in the last couple of weeks.

1484
01:21:31,239 --> 01:21:35,520
Prior to that, we were getting these these headlines about

1485
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:44,199
swarming unidentified aerial you know, vehicles, not necessarily anything that

1486
01:21:44,359 --> 01:21:46,520
was you know, seemed to be anti gravitic, but they

1487
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:49,920
were just swarming drone like but they were in fleets,

1488
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:56,439
and they were over very highly restricted airspaces, and over

1489
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,479
the course of that time, you know, you'd have the

1490
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:02,880
Pentagon or Langley or all these places making statements about

1491
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,880
it that they're there and we're trying to figure out

1492
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,800
what they are, figure out what they are. If you

1493
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:15,600
and I flew anything over that airspace, that would be

1494
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:20,359
shot down. So the fact that the most defended airspaces

1495
01:22:20,399 --> 01:22:22,279
and on the East Coast.

1496
01:22:22,039 --> 01:22:25,359
Speaker 2: Are kind of like, go, what's going on.

1497
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: And nobody has any answers right off the bat, My

1498
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:31,680
bullshit meteor is going off?

1499
01:22:33,279 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 2: What is this all?

1500
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,560
Speaker 1: About and they keep saying that is they pose no threat.

1501
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:43,640
But they're sophisticated, and as Tracy said, top officials are

1502
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,560
meeting all day long. They have nothing to offer the public.

1503
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:51,279
How do you know that they're no threat? How do

1504
01:22:51,319 --> 01:22:56,399
you even know that? This morning, Douglas McGregor tweeted this out.

1505
01:22:57,359 --> 01:23:00,279
Congressman tells Fox News a credible source at review that

1506
01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:03,319
the New Jersey drones were launched from an eastern from

1507
01:23:03,359 --> 01:23:08,039
the Eastern seaboard and are from China and Iran.

1508
01:23:10,199 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 2: China and Iran. You want to hear that. This is

1509
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,119
Jeff Van Drew.

1510
01:23:19,279 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: He claims that Iran has stationed a so called mothership

1511
01:23:24,079 --> 01:23:27,359
off of the US East Coast, reportedly launching drones now

1512
01:23:27,399 --> 01:23:29,119
flying over New Jersey.

1513
01:23:29,279 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 11: In focus now, Republican Congressman Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey,

1514
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:37,760
member of the House Judiciary Committee on the Hill. Right now,

1515
01:23:37,239 --> 01:23:40,000
how do you address this at this point?

1516
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,159
Speaker 3: Well, here's the real deal, Harris.

1517
01:23:42,199 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 8: You know, I'm also on the Transportation Committee, on the

1518
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:48,399
Aviation Subcommittee, and I've gotten to know people and from

1519
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:54,600
very high sources, very qualified sources, very responsible sources. I'm

1520
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:55,239
going to tell you.

1521
01:23:55,159 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: The real deal.

1522
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 8: Iran launched a mothership probably about a month month ago

1523
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:04,920
that contains these drones. That mothership is off I'm gonna

1524
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,119
tell you the deal. It's off the east coast of

1525
01:24:07,159 --> 01:24:11,159
the United States of America. They've launched thrones. Is everything

1526
01:24:11,159 --> 01:24:13,159
that we can see or hear. And again, these are

1527
01:24:13,159 --> 01:24:15,239
from high sources. I don't say this lightly.

1528
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 3: Now.

1529
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,239
Speaker 8: You know, we know there was a probability it could

1530
01:24:18,319 --> 01:24:21,079
have been our own government. We know it's not our

1531
01:24:21,119 --> 01:24:23,640
own government because they would have let us know it

1532
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:24,239
could have been.

1533
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 2: Did you hear that now? When I heard that line.

1534
01:24:30,039 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: When I heard that line, I said, okay, all, I've

1535
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,720
never heard of New Jersey Congressman Jeff van Drew before,

1536
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:41,600
but he is either mentally handicapped or he's part of

1537
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,560
the operation. It's we know it's not our own government

1538
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:47,159
because if they were part of this, they would have.

1539
01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 2: Told us what a dummy, what an absolute dummy.

1540
01:24:55,239 --> 01:24:59,199
Speaker 8: There's some really glorified hobbyist or hobbyists that we're doing

1541
01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:03,920
something unbeliev They don't have the technology, but let's pretend

1542
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:08,119
that's possible. The third possibility with somebody, an adversarial country

1543
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:12,279
doing this. You know that Iran made a deal with

1544
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,880
China to purchase drones, motherships, and technology in order to

1545
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,119
go forward. The sources I have are good. They can't

1546
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:22,880
reveal who they are because they are speaking to me

1547
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:27,840
in confidentiality. These drones should be shot down, whether it

1548
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:31,720
was some crazy hobbyist that we can't imagine, or whether

1549
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,439
it is Iran, and I think it very possibly could be.

1550
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 2: They should be shot down.

1551
01:25:37,319 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 1: Now here's my question to you. I was thinking about

1552
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,560
this a long time ago. Why don't we shoot them down?

1553
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:49,079
Why don't we shoot them down? Then I start realizing

1554
01:25:49,079 --> 01:25:51,039
why you can't shoot them down? I was thinking about

1555
01:25:51,079 --> 01:25:54,520
this all last week. You give everybody special permission to

1556
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,600
go out there and hunt turkey and deer when the

1557
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,000
population gets too much, and they might rus start right

1558
01:26:00,199 --> 01:26:02,880
out onto parkways and highways around here in the Northeast.

1559
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,119
But then again, you know, there's a big difference between

1560
01:26:06,119 --> 01:26:11,920
giving a few people temporary seasonal bow and arrow licenses

1561
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,920
to go hunt along the side of a highway and

1562
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:19,319
letting anybody say, hey, you know, put you know, load

1563
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,159
some slugs into that shotgun of yours, and you can

1564
01:26:22,199 --> 01:26:24,439
shoot down anything that's over your house, because you know

1565
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:28,119
what will happen. You know what will happen. First of all,

1566
01:26:28,119 --> 01:26:30,399
you don't want property, damn. Even if this thing is

1567
01:26:31,079 --> 01:26:35,600
a foreign presence in the sky, you're talking about things falling,

1568
01:26:36,279 --> 01:26:40,000
property damage, people getting killed, hitting the head people start.

1569
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:45,439
Then you know, people will just be shooting television, news, helicopters,

1570
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:51,039
planes in descent. It would be nuts. It would be

1571
01:26:51,119 --> 01:26:54,159
nuts when you think about it. But then I also

1572
01:26:54,239 --> 01:26:57,560
wondered what happens if people start taking shots at these

1573
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:01,279
things and they literally realize, they realize that they cannot

1574
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:05,880
bring them down, that nothing's happening, that they're hitting them

1575
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:06,920
but nothing's happening.

1576
01:27:08,039 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 2: That would be interesting too write.

1577
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: But again, what they are, they're clustered around, it's complete,

1578
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,159
it's so public.

1579
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:24,399
Speaker 2: They're in they've got more lights than an airplane. There

1580
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:28,960
is no real attempt here at being stealthy.

1581
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,119
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, and so you would think that after a

1582
01:27:33,159 --> 01:27:36,159
while you'll get you would get some state law enforcement

1583
01:27:36,199 --> 01:27:38,640
officer coming out and saying, we heard about this over

1584
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,119
the last week, we looked into it, we found the source.

1585
01:27:41,279 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 2: You know, people are being investigated and blah blah blah.

1586
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 1: Or telling us what the hell it was, the fact

1587
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:50,439
that every couple of days, we have a higher and

1588
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:55,079
higher authority coming out to affirm that nobody knows what's

1589
01:27:55,119 --> 01:27:57,800
going on. We're trying to figure this out. And then

1590
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,920
we have this jockeying back and forth. This guy from California,

1591
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:06,119
from New Jersey says that there is a mothership of

1592
01:28:06,199 --> 01:28:12,319
Iranian origin that is hanging out off the coast. Well,

1593
01:28:12,399 --> 01:28:16,079
our coast guard doesn't see this. The Carnifold cruise ships

1594
01:28:16,119 --> 01:28:18,399
don't see this. I mean, what are you talking about?

1595
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:23,279
How advance is the Iranian Navy? I mean, I know

1596
01:28:23,359 --> 01:28:26,680
that they have taken quite a bit of quite a

1597
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,159
bit of didn't they seize like a couple of gunboats.

1598
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 2: Of ours a while ago?

1599
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,119
Speaker 1: Wasn't it wasn't that the Iranians that made our our

1600
01:28:34,279 --> 01:28:38,760
our navy officers cry on like one of those ransom videos.

1601
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,520
It was pathetic during the Obama administration. I mean, God

1602
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,199
knows what they do have. They have something of value,

1603
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:47,279
It definitely came from us. But then we have this

1604
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:51,000
so that that that Jeff guy, the congressman from New

1605
01:28:51,079 --> 01:28:53,399
Jersey says one thing about the mothership, and then the

1606
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:56,800
Pentagon comes out by.

1607
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 2: Way of zero heads.

1608
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: We have this one Pentagon denies Congress's claim of an

1609
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,520
Iranian mothership launching drones off.

1610
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 2: The US coast. So who are we supposed to believe.

1611
01:29:09,359 --> 01:29:13,359
Speaker 1: This guy on television who had I don't know, he

1612
01:29:13,399 --> 01:29:15,800
really might have been just naive. Do you really think

1613
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,159
he's part of some grand operation. I never heard of

1614
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:22,279
him before. He might just be naive, gullible, a little

1615
01:29:22,319 --> 01:29:26,199
bit stupid to think that the United States government would

1616
01:29:26,199 --> 01:29:31,760
tell us if they were doing something weird. But maybe

1617
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,720
he is naive because maybe in that state, he was

1618
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,239
telling the truth that he heard from a good source

1619
01:29:39,279 --> 01:29:42,239
that there is a mothership. Perhaps it's not Iranian, but

1620
01:29:42,279 --> 01:29:45,840
maybe there is an offshore mothership. Perhaps these things are

1621
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:52,279
coming out of the water. Maybe we're talking, you know,

1622
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,600
I've heard all the theories about perhaps you know, these

1623
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:02,439
things are posing as traditional drone unmanned objects that are

1624
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,199
propelled by I don't know, six hour I guess that

1625
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:07,319
you'd have to be up in the air for a

1626
01:30:07,319 --> 01:30:07,880
long time.

1627
01:30:08,319 --> 01:30:09,319
Speaker 2: How good is the batteries?

1628
01:30:09,359 --> 01:30:11,319
Speaker 1: Then again, you're talking about vehicles that are the size

1629
01:30:11,319 --> 01:30:16,239
of volkswagons, So it's got to be something, and you know,

1630
01:30:16,279 --> 01:30:19,239
anything that we could buy. Somebody has much better locked

1631
01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:22,800
up in some bunker somewhere. But perhaps it is far

1632
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:26,279
advanced technology that is masking itself as something a little

1633
01:30:26,279 --> 01:30:31,439
bit more primitive by putting off some kind of you know,

1634
01:30:32,079 --> 01:30:35,800
audible hum or buzz that would be easily identified by

1635
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,680
someone like you and me as you know, blades of

1636
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:44,319
a propeller. And maybe it's just a trick. Maybe it's

1637
01:30:44,359 --> 01:30:48,399
just a way to cloak itself. Meanwhile, this thing could

1638
01:30:48,399 --> 01:30:50,560
probably dip into the ocean and just hide out there.

1639
01:30:51,119 --> 01:30:55,560
I don't know, but they want to be seen. It's

1640
01:30:55,560 --> 01:31:00,760
there for a reason. And now we're playing games with

1641
01:31:01,319 --> 01:31:05,720
the higher authorities in the country, not just in New Jersey.

1642
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:09,680
There's not any truth to that, Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary

1643
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:13,439
Sabrina Singh told reporters on Wednesday afternoon hours at the

1644
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:17,520
Republican Congressman Jefferson Van Drew of New Jersey claimed on

1645
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:21,960
Fox News that Iranian drones were flying over New Jersey skies.

1646
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,319
There's no Iranian ship. Here's what she said, Jen.

1647
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 12: Sabrina, can you tell me what the Pentagon is doing

1648
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,840
to address this issue of drone sightings over New Jersey.

1649
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:36,439
It's near sensitive installations, the FBI is involved, What is

1650
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:37,439
the Pentagon.

1651
01:31:37,079 --> 01:31:40,159
Speaker 13: Doing sure, so at this time so aware of those

1652
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:43,239
drone sightings that have been reported. At this time, we

1653
01:31:43,279 --> 01:31:46,039
have no evidence that these activities are coming from a

1654
01:31:46,079 --> 01:31:49,359
foreign entity or the work of an adversary. We're going

1655
01:31:49,399 --> 01:31:52,960
to continue to monitor what is happening. But you know,

1656
01:31:53,399 --> 01:31:56,960
at no point where our installations threatened when this activity

1657
01:31:57,039 --> 01:31:57,520
was occurring.

1658
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,640
Speaker 12: Can you rule out that these are American drones? We're

1659
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:01,920
with military drones.

1660
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:06,199
Speaker 13: These are not US military drones. Again, this is being

1661
01:32:06,199 --> 01:32:10,399
investigated by local law enforcement. What our initial assessment.

1662
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,560
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, but I'm sure that the Yeah, local law

1663
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:19,000
enforcement are investigating these things, even though why why hasn't

1664
01:32:19,159 --> 01:32:23,319
one been followed back to its point of origin? You

1665
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,479
why after a couple of days of what the hell

1666
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:29,399
are these things and who they belong to? They're flying

1667
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,079
over my house at night? I mean, at the very least,

1668
01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:35,800
it's violating sound ordinance. No, New Jersey doesn't have sound

1669
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:41,159
ordinances for late night and all that shit, especially if

1670
01:32:41,159 --> 01:32:43,159
you're not living next to an airfield. Especially if you

1671
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:44,560
are living next to an airfield.

1672
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 2: We do.

1673
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 1: We're a couple of miles away from Westchester County Airport,

1674
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:51,720
so there are you know, every once in a while

1675
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,159
there'll be a late night plane coming in a red

1676
01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:56,920
eye or something, but for the most part, it is

1677
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,279
very very low traffic at night because they don't want

1678
01:33:00,279 --> 01:33:05,439
to keep people awake. You would think after a couple

1679
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:09,640
of days of no answers, the most the easiest thing

1680
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:13,079
you can do is to attach one of your own

1681
01:33:13,359 --> 01:33:17,960
drones or a police helicopter to following this thing around

1682
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:23,239
until you find out where it went. What the hell

1683
01:33:23,279 --> 01:33:27,880
are we talking about here? Follow the thing home, follow

1684
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:35,199
it home. This is all bullshit. She also claims they're

1685
01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:38,000
not US military drones and they're trying to figure it

1686
01:33:38,039 --> 01:33:40,119
out and all that. Yeah, well that, like I said before,

1687
01:33:40,119 --> 01:33:43,039
that was a local issue. But when it was flying over,

1688
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,439
I don't know if it was the Pentagon or if

1689
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:48,800
it was CIA.

1690
01:33:49,239 --> 01:33:52,239
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. War Clandestine says.

1691
01:33:52,279 --> 01:33:55,199
Speaker 1: If it's not Iran, a foreign entity, or US military,

1692
01:33:55,239 --> 01:33:59,920
that would leave intelligence community, private entity or civilian and extraterrestrial.

1693
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:02,479
If it was private entity or civilian, they would have

1694
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:09,960
been taken to task quick quick, because I'll tell you

1695
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:14,359
one thing. If I had a radio transmitter and I

1696
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,680
wanted to open up myself a nice little pirate radio station,

1697
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:21,000
over here this week, I would go live for a

1698
01:34:21,039 --> 01:34:25,359
couple of hours before somebody is knocking on my door,

1699
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,880
where they would have tracked me down to figure out

1700
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,079
where I was transmitting, what was going on, and who

1701
01:34:31,079 --> 01:34:35,720
I was interfering with. That would have been that quickly, quickly.

1702
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:40,880
If I opened up a legitimate pirate radio stream over here,

1703
01:34:41,239 --> 01:34:48,920
I would have been taken care of. No way, no way.

1704
01:34:50,079 --> 01:34:53,159
So that's from the Pentagon. Now we'll take a couple

1705
01:34:53,159 --> 01:34:55,880
of calls in just a second. But first I wanted

1706
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:59,920
to I want to show you what we we threw Grock. Okay,

1707
01:35:00,199 --> 01:35:02,359
Mike from Maryland threw this to Grox at Hi Grox.

1708
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:05,479
Check out this main news story and it's about Jeff

1709
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:09,319
Van Drew of New Jersey the mysterious drones.

1710
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 2: Take listen to this.

1711
01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:17,359
Speaker 1: Congressman's claims, speaking on Fox News, suggested that the drones

1712
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:20,560
might be Iranian and could be potentially from a mothership

1713
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:21,760
launched about a month ago.

1714
01:35:22,279 --> 01:35:24,520
Speaker 2: He emphasized, and what does that mean? Mothership?

1715
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:28,520
Speaker 1: Does that mean an actual seafaring ship that these things

1716
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:34,079
are going back to landing, getting recharged, getting resupplied, and

1717
01:35:34,119 --> 01:35:39,279
then going out and conducting their missions completely uninhibited. That

1718
01:35:39,319 --> 01:35:42,119
they're going back out to a seafaring ship, or is

1719
01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:44,840
there a floating ship in the sky that has been

1720
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,359
there for a couple of weeks that nobody has seen,

1721
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:50,439
even in broad daylight. What the hell does that mean?

1722
01:35:54,039 --> 01:35:56,119
He emphasized the need for these drones to be shot

1723
01:35:56,199 --> 01:36:01,119
down due to potential threat that they pose. Pentagon's response said, no,

1724
01:36:01,399 --> 01:36:03,560
there's no evidence of an Iranian ship off the coast

1725
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:08,000
of US or any foreign entity launching drones toward the US.

1726
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,760
Context and speculation, the drone signings have led to various

1727
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,399
speculations regarding their origins, including possible links to foreign surveillance

1728
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:19,880
or even extraterrestrial activity. Yeah, official investigations by agencies like

1729
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:23,199
the FBI have not confirmed any such connections. The FBI

1730
01:36:23,279 --> 01:36:27,840
can't even figure out why somebody would shoot hundreds of

1731
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:32,399
people in Las Vegas. They have no clue what was

1732
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:37,319
driving the identity lists twenty something year old that tried

1733
01:36:37,359 --> 01:36:40,800
to take out Donald Trump when the Secret Service disappeared

1734
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,880
in July and left a complete open lane for him.

1735
01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:47,640
Why would you think the FBI is going to produce anything? Seriously,

1736
01:36:50,359 --> 01:36:54,600
I heard Christopher Ray stepped out today. That's nice. We'll

1737
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,279
see if Cash or Patel makes that agency worth a

1738
01:36:57,399 --> 01:37:00,319
shit for a couple of years before hopefully he's shuts

1739
01:37:00,319 --> 01:37:02,840
it down and sends that back to the States as well.

1740
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:08,720
That would be wonderful that we have here additional theories.

1741
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,760
And what's going on is then another thing that we

1742
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:20,319
threw to groc additional theories classified military technologies. There's speculation

1743
01:37:20,399 --> 01:37:23,279
that these drones could be part of US military government project.

1744
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,359
Some experts suggest that they might be testing advance, possibly

1745
01:37:26,399 --> 01:37:31,439
secretive drone technology, including swarm capabilities or surveillance equipment. This

1746
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,840
theory is supported by the drones advanced behavior and the

1747
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,880
fact that they've been spotted near sensitive military installations like

1748
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,319
the Picatinny Arsenal.

1749
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing.

1750
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:43,039
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of It kind of reminds

1751
01:37:43,039 --> 01:37:48,319
me of those Hunter Killers, the Hunter Killers from Terminator two.

1752
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:51,039
You know, in the opening of Terminator two, when they're

1753
01:37:51,079 --> 01:37:54,119
in the future and they're fighting the robots and they

1754
01:37:54,119 --> 01:37:56,279
have those big drones that are coming over. Those are

1755
01:37:56,359 --> 01:37:59,960
unmanned craft looking over and those are the Hunter Killers

1756
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,920
and I'm looking at those and you know, everybody right now,

1757
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:06,640
think about if you go into the future and that

1758
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:09,279
shit actually really becomes true. This is the moment where

1759
01:38:09,279 --> 01:38:11,000
people are looking up at those things and they're a

1760
01:38:11,039 --> 01:38:17,039
little bit unnerved. God knows where it could all go.

1761
01:38:18,399 --> 01:38:22,359
Non human intelligence. Some individuals on except suggested that drones

1762
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:28,079
exhibit behavior more akin to unidentify to aerial phenomena or UFOs,

1763
01:38:28,119 --> 01:38:31,319
such as a silent propulsion and instant maneuvers. I didn't

1764
01:38:31,319 --> 01:38:34,520
hear any silent propulsion. I didn't see instant maneuvers. I've

1765
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,800
been seeing floating over trees, floating, hovering.

1766
01:38:38,119 --> 01:38:39,239
Speaker 2: I don't listen.

1767
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:43,279
Speaker 1: If I if we saw hard right angle turns at

1768
01:38:43,359 --> 01:38:47,159
high speeds, we're then we're in business. We're cooking with

1769
01:38:47,239 --> 01:38:48,880
gas at that point. I didn't see any of that.

1770
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:54,159
For an adversary surveillance. That could be one commercial or

1771
01:38:54,199 --> 01:38:56,680
defense contractor testing. That's another thing.

1772
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,279
Speaker 2: Again. If that's the case, it should be on the books.

1773
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 1: I know that there is limited government oversight, but there

1774
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:05,720
are parts of the government who know exactly who is

1775
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:11,600
working on what projects and whatever. So it's either we're

1776
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:15,159
not being told and everybody's lying, which seems that way,

1777
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,800
a psychological operation or a false flag GROC came up

1778
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,640
with this. There's a small contingent that speculates that these

1779
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:24,880
activities might be part of a psychological operation or leading

1780
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:27,560
up to a false flag event designed to either test

1781
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:32,199
public reaction or to justify future security measures or military actions.

1782
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:38,199
This theory, however, lacks substantial evidence, and then radiation detection.

1783
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,359
One rumor captured on X suggested that these drones might

1784
01:39:41,359 --> 01:39:45,520
be involved in searching for lost nuclear material just in

1785
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:49,279
somebody's backyard in New Jersey, given their rumored capability to

1786
01:39:49,319 --> 01:39:53,680
detect radiation. This theory, however, remains unverified and speculative. So

1787
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:58,439
it's really you know, it's interesting, but a lot of

1788
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:00,760
these things are just being dragged from from the Internet

1789
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:04,600
where everybody is trying to throw out theories because nothing

1790
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:09,359
that is being made publicly available really makes sense at all.

1791
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 2: So that's where we are right now. Today. We got

1792
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:14,800
news of a mother ship, and.

1793
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 1: Then as soon as a very confident, perhaps slightly naive

1794
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,560
a member of Congress came out and made that that

1795
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:26,520
that declaration to the world, the Pentagon reeled them back

1796
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:28,279
and said, no, it's not true. Well where did he

1797
01:40:28,279 --> 01:40:32,760
hear that from? And what's happening? So real quick a break,

1798
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:35,600
when we come back your calls. All topics are on

1799
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:39,279
the table nine one four, two hundred two sixty nine.

1800
01:40:39,319 --> 01:40:40,479
See you in a second.

1801
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 7: Quite frankly, uh, you know, contributed to the death of

1802
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:46,079
seven million people because the funding of gain of function

1803
01:40:47,159 --> 01:40:48,840
experiments in the Wuhan lab.

1804
01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:26,279
Speaker 14: What what co.

1805
01:41:18,159 --> 01:41:22,359
Speaker 5: How? Baby?

1806
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:22,600
Speaker 15: Here?

1807
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 5: You make me ship?

1808
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 13: Shame baby dollstop take it to the top.

1809
01:41:43,319 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 16: Welcome to Perpetual health minute, brought to you by quite

1810
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,279
Frankly Extra extra read all about it. Red dye number

1811
01:41:48,319 --> 01:41:50,840
three may be going away now with all the pearl

1812
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,800
clutching Robert F. Kennedy and what he's going to do

1813
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:55,319
to the food supply. Red dye number three.

1814
01:41:55,239 --> 01:41:58,520
Speaker 17: Was actually banned in nineteen ninety in cosmetics because of

1815
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:01,720
its carcinogenic potential, but has remained in the food supply.

1816
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,119
But it seems now that even NBC News may be

1817
01:42:05,239 --> 01:42:08,399
on board with removing this product. And remember, even when

1818
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:10,800
the evidence is clear, as stated in this article, it

1819
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,399
can take decades for the FDA to remove products from market.

1820
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:16,640
So the best thing you can do, because today it's

1821
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:19,560
red nine number three, tomorrow yellow five, red forty doesn't

1822
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,039
really matter. The best thing you can do you shop

1823
01:42:22,039 --> 01:42:27,239
in the grocery store around the perimeter. Red meat, fish, eggs, milk, leavy,

1824
01:42:27,279 --> 01:42:30,640
green vegetables, fruits. Those are the products you should be buying.

1825
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:33,520
It's going to be your best way to avoid the unforeseen.

1826
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:37,479
The precautionary principle always says it's better to be safe

1827
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,840
than sorry. If you like this video, please follow the

1828
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,119
new Perpetual Health Rumble channel. You can also find us

1829
01:42:43,159 --> 01:42:45,239
at Perpetual Health dot substack dot com.

1830
01:42:45,279 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 16: But for now, thank you so much for watching.

1831
01:42:47,399 --> 01:43:04,079
Speaker 18: Back to the show, Yale.

1832
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:10,159
Speaker 1: Okay, ladies and jams, Let's take some of your calls.

1833
01:43:10,319 --> 01:43:12,720
How the hell you feel in my friends, It's good

1834
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:15,720
to have you here. Nine one four two sixty nine

1835
01:43:16,039 --> 01:43:17,520
seven zero two. You're on the air.

1836
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 2: Go ahead, give me something.

1837
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,199
Speaker 15: Hey, Frank, this browntail. How you doing.

1838
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Great to hear from you. What's on

1839
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:25,399
your mind?

1840
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 3: Hey?

1841
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:29,720
Speaker 15: Well, just went in on the drone thing. A couple

1842
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:31,960
of things that come out. And before I was in

1843
01:43:32,039 --> 01:43:34,439
my para, like before I was a brown tail, I

1844
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:37,960
was actually a one thirty pilot playing a lot of

1845
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:43,760
combat missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and whatnot, and uh a

1846
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,760
lot of times like the Predator drones and some of

1847
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:50,039
those assets were in the area, so I've gotten a

1848
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:54,439
chance to tangle in the airspace with those guys. And

1849
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,800
one of the things that's striking me about what's going

1850
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:01,199
on with this stuff. One the light is over, so

1851
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:05,159
it's obviously it's it's man made. It's something here.

1852
01:44:05,399 --> 01:44:09,119
Speaker 1: Yes, And it's not only that browntail. The lighting is over,

1853
01:44:09,359 --> 01:44:13,720
it's it's it's bright. It's very very noticeable. It's also

1854
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:18,119
these craft are allowed. They're buzzing, buzzing, buzzing there. Whatever

1855
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:20,720
the hell is going on here, public attention is definitely

1856
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:21,199
part of the.

1857
01:44:21,159 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 15: Operation, right, Yeah, And I think it might be a

1858
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:29,199
sy out. But but here's the thing. It's they're as

1859
01:44:29,239 --> 01:44:32,880
big as they say they are. Then it's got to

1860
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:37,000
be a state actor or like like a sheriff department

1861
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:40,359
or law enforcement or you know where I'm going at ye.

1862
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:43,239
In other words, it's not just you know, Frank and

1863
01:44:43,319 --> 01:44:47,319
Branto going out to radio check and you know, putting

1864
01:44:47,319 --> 01:44:51,119
one together and harass in South Jersey shore, you know. Yeah,

1865
01:44:52,079 --> 01:44:53,560
So it's got to be it's got to be either

1866
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:57,199
a state agency or or something like that. The other

1867
01:44:57,239 --> 01:45:04,560
thing is, if it was pure military, uh, I would

1868
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:07,880
I would imagine that they would be more they'd have

1869
01:45:08,279 --> 01:45:11,640
NBC compatible lights in other words, for covert lighting in

1870
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:15,680
this compatible uh lighting that's that would be on the

1871
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:21,359
aircraft that that you could you couldn't see it with

1872
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:23,840
the naked eye, so you need you need to have

1873
01:45:24,079 --> 01:45:27,800
mbgs or something of that kind of nature in order

1874
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:28,359
to see it.

1875
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:32,119
Speaker 1: So so I would have to imagine that you're even

1876
01:45:32,119 --> 01:45:34,279
though you know as much as I do, unless you

1877
01:45:34,319 --> 01:45:38,239
know something else, you're not telling us that you're just

1878
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:40,840
from your experience alone, you think that this is probably

1879
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,439
state I.

1880
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 15: So here here's my conspiracy theory. I don't know if

1881
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:51,960
you'd be open up to it, hopefully optimistic that maybe

1882
01:45:52,039 --> 01:45:56,720
the white Hats are doing it's it's drones and let's

1883
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:58,520
unless you're going to hang a hell fire from a

1884
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:02,720
drone and kills so with it. The only other function

1885
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:08,960
that serves is like surveillance, so you're tracking someone or

1886
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:14,960
you're collecting signals intelligence from an area, see you know

1887
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:17,279
what I mean. And so this has been contra over

1888
01:46:17,319 --> 01:46:22,279
a week. So either they're tracking movement on someone or

1889
01:46:22,319 --> 01:46:27,800
a group, or they're trying to collect and this may

1890
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:30,319
be part of the op to see what the public

1891
01:46:30,359 --> 01:46:35,479
at large is reaction is to the stuff, because God forbid,

1892
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:40,960
if it's a foreign state actor, first question be going

1893
01:46:41,199 --> 01:46:44,159
would be going to the Pentagon and going, why is

1894
01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:48,199
our sovereign air spaulated by the freaking Iranians? That maybe

1895
01:46:48,319 --> 01:46:51,479
part of the all, all of a sudden, now you've got

1896
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:53,920
a couple of Iranians in a fucking road, but part

1897
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:56,800
of my French a couple of Iranians in a rowboat,

1898
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:00,920
you know, launching these things off the Jersey shore. You

1899
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,800
know that does bid well to the taxpayer?

1900
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:04,560
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying?

1901
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:09,079
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And again I think I think that what

1902
01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:12,479
you lay out there just I think reinforces everything else

1903
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:16,600
that most people are are thinking at this time, because

1904
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:18,640
it's one thing to have for this to have been

1905
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:22,119
a for this to have been a forty eight hour

1906
01:47:22,199 --> 01:47:25,039
to seventy two hour mystery. Everybody's trying to figure out

1907
01:47:25,119 --> 01:47:29,000
who the who the the pranksters are that are harassing

1908
01:47:29,079 --> 01:47:31,840
the quiet, sleepy countryside of New Jersey.

1909
01:47:32,199 --> 01:47:33,199
Speaker 2: But now here we.

1910
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 1: Are in two weeks and they have rolled out every

1911
01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:41,199
kind of spokesperson from every intelligence head that they can find,

1912
01:47:41,359 --> 01:47:46,199
and the ambiguity with which they speak is really something else?

1913
01:47:46,239 --> 01:47:50,359
Speaker 2: Thank you for the call, Browntail. That's something else. Is

1914
01:47:50,399 --> 01:47:50,960
this for real?

1915
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 1: Hold on, somebody just sent me something about the chick

1916
01:47:55,560 --> 01:48:01,159
that slept with one hundred men in one day porn

1917
01:48:01,239 --> 01:48:05,359
star so and so her name is Lily. Test positive

1918
01:48:05,399 --> 01:48:10,079
for chlamydia, gonorrhea, and HSV two after sleeping with one

1919
01:48:10,119 --> 01:48:11,199
hundred men in one day?

1920
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 2: Is this for real? Only?

1921
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:17,119
Speaker 1: The only reason why I ask is because I'm surprised

1922
01:48:17,119 --> 01:48:21,680
that she only has three sexually transmitted diseases. But then again,

1923
01:48:23,239 --> 01:48:26,000
twenty guys probably had chlamydia and it's only going to

1924
01:48:26,079 --> 01:48:26,600
count once.

1925
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:31,800
Speaker 2: God, this is sick. Oh, this is sick. The world

1926
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,399
needs to heal. The rule.

1927
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 1: Really needs to heal. I was so scared. I was

1928
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:40,840
so scared about STDs and shit when I was single.

1929
01:48:42,359 --> 01:48:46,800
I remember one of the first, one of the first,

1930
01:48:47,039 --> 01:48:50,079
I think, the one of the oldest conversations I remember

1931
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:54,479
having with Rob. We were at the gym that we

1932
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:59,039
both worked at, and I was nervous about a you know,

1933
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:05,840
a yearly st D check years ago, and then I

1934
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:06,880
told him I don't know, man.

1935
01:49:06,720 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 2: I just can't. I think I got AIDS.

1936
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:13,000
Speaker 1: I have AIDS, and Rob like one of the first

1937
01:49:13,119 --> 01:49:17,600
conversations I remember having with Rob is him telling me how.

1938
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 2: Almost impossible it is.

1939
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:25,680
Speaker 1: To get AIDS unless you are unless you've got like,

1940
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:28,079
you know, open up, forget about it. He was just

1941
01:49:28,119 --> 01:49:29,880
calming me down, you don't have aids.

1942
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:33,720
Speaker 2: Stop it. This woman lines up for a hundred people.

1943
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:37,039
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what the Hell's I ever worried about

1944
01:49:37,039 --> 01:49:40,279
the way that some people live. I mean, I wasn't

1945
01:49:40,279 --> 01:49:44,000
a saint, but the way that some people live, that's

1946
01:49:44,079 --> 01:49:44,680
just horrible.

1947
01:49:45,359 --> 01:49:47,399
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's take it to the call, shall we? Four

1948
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:53,840
zero four eight zero. You're on the air. Go ahead? Hey,

1949
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:55,640
Who's this is?

1950
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 19: Luke with from Arizona.

1951
01:49:57,119 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 2: Hey, Luke, how are you good? How are you doing well?

1952
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:00,840
Doing well?

1953
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 3: So?

1954
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 2: What do you think about tonight?

1955
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:07,560
Speaker 19: Tonight's awesome? Good night? Love to talk to Jay. The

1956
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:11,800
drone thing, like has anyone in New Jersey ever from

1957
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:13,079
the drone towards it?

1958
01:50:14,079 --> 01:50:15,720
Speaker 1: Oh see, you know that's that's the thing I have

1959
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,159
not heard from anybody. And I'm waiting for somebody to

1960
01:50:18,199 --> 01:50:22,279
say and to bring up something as I don't know.

1961
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:23,600
Speaker 2: Logical as that.

1962
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:26,279
Speaker 1: As I said before, like this, when this got to

1963
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:30,000
like seventy two hour territory, and now local and state

1964
01:50:30,039 --> 01:50:33,199
authorities are bringing are having their attention to be brought

1965
01:50:33,239 --> 01:50:35,800
to it by citizens constantly. You would think that they

1966
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:38,039
would at least put a police copter in the air

1967
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:42,079
to just do the rounds and follow this thing back

1968
01:50:42,119 --> 01:50:44,199
to wherever the hell it's going to go, or to

1969
01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:46,319
at least follow it until it runs out of batteries

1970
01:50:46,319 --> 01:50:48,359
and then recover it to try to get some data

1971
01:50:48,359 --> 01:50:52,000
out of it. You know, it's it's it's nonsensical, is

1972
01:50:52,039 --> 01:50:54,159
how this situation has been treated for the last.

1973
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:55,039
Speaker 2: Couple of weeks.

1974
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:59,159
Speaker 19: Yeah, for sure. It'd definitely be interesting to see what

1975
01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:01,279
would happen if someone got close to it with the drone.

1976
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would be.

1977
01:51:03,199 --> 01:51:05,319
Speaker 1: It would be and and I would hope that somebody

1978
01:51:05,319 --> 01:51:08,520
would be ready to do that. And nothing yet, So

1979
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:11,960
you're you're thinking on the right track. But apparently they

1980
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:13,840
can't get their shit together out there in Jersey.

1981
01:51:15,319 --> 01:51:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1982
01:51:16,199 --> 01:51:19,319
Speaker 19: I don't believe anything that the Pentagon's telling us. That's

1983
01:51:19,359 --> 01:51:20,640
all bull crap for sure.

1984
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Pentagon seemed to be in like damage control.

1985
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:28,800
Then again, it could also be just kabuki theater where

1986
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:32,600
the guy they probably it's not out of the realm

1987
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,880
of possibility for the guy from New Jersey to have

1988
01:51:36,079 --> 01:51:41,239
had that information planted with him from a reliable source.

1989
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:44,199
He feels like he needs to go and tell the public.

1990
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:48,399
And then the Pentagon who planted the initial information with

1991
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:53,079
this guy can go out there and deny it and

1992
01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:56,720
create discord and confusion and mixed messages. And that's how

1993
01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:59,439
you control public perception as well, and you keep building

1994
01:51:59,479 --> 01:52:02,640
up the curate. It's almost like you know that the lottery.

1995
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:05,760
The lottery goes past a billion dollars and suddenly everybody's

1996
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:06,880
paying attention to it, you know.

1997
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 19: Yeah, anyway, Yeah, I just called to tell you rock

1998
01:52:13,279 --> 01:52:14,720
for years.

1999
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:16,560
Speaker 1: Thank you, Luke, and I hope to hear from you

2000
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,359
again soon. You all right, take care of there you go.

2001
01:52:20,399 --> 01:52:25,279
There's Luke in Arizona having a good night, having a

2002
01:52:25,319 --> 01:52:31,239
good night indeed. Okay, what else do I have over here?

2003
01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:38,279
Speaker 2: Oh? Here's a call Timothy Gordon. Were you listening tonight?

2004
01:52:40,119 --> 01:52:40,359
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2005
01:52:40,359 --> 01:52:41,560
Speaker 20: I was. I was in and out.

2006
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:44,600
Speaker 2: Oh nothing much, dude, but nothing much.

2007
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:44,880
Speaker 3: You know.

2008
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:48,239
Speaker 1: It's usually we have a at least a little bit

2009
01:52:48,279 --> 01:52:51,279
of time to talk to each other every Christmas season,

2010
01:52:51,359 --> 01:52:53,279
So who knows what comes up? Over the next week

2011
01:52:53,359 --> 01:52:56,199
or so. But uh, I don't know. We only have

2012
01:52:56,319 --> 01:52:58,359
about eight minutes left over here. Do you have anything

2013
01:52:58,359 --> 01:53:00,640
that you wanted to add to tonight's converse? It was

2014
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:04,439
a lot about a lot about, of course, the the

2015
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:10,239
the rebunking of Christmas by going against all of the

2016
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:14,279
popular debunks that pop up around this time, with the

2017
01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:19,319
overlays of paganism and everything else to try to diminish

2018
01:53:19,359 --> 01:53:23,720
the importance and significance of the holidays. So I don't

2019
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:26,199
know what you usually like to bring up around this

2020
01:53:26,279 --> 01:53:28,880
time of year whenever that topic pops up, but I'd

2021
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:30,560
love to hear your strongest points.

2022
01:53:32,399 --> 01:53:35,000
Speaker 20: Well, maybe we should do a show on some of

2023
01:53:35,039 --> 01:53:38,720
the Nativity symbols. But Jimmy Aikin has a great treatment

2024
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:42,359
of December the twenty fifth and all of the scientific

2025
01:53:42,359 --> 01:53:45,520
evidence for December the twenty fifth, and why it's not

2026
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:50,920
just a mythic recreation of old creation narratives or whatever.

2027
01:53:51,079 --> 01:53:54,359
It's a ridiculous story. There's a lot of strong evidence

2028
01:53:56,119 --> 01:54:03,479
even surrounding the shout of that demonstrates that it was

2029
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:09,359
winter of this either. You know that they're that that

2030
01:54:09,479 --> 01:54:13,479
basically all of the Christian timeline is accurate for both

2031
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:15,439
the birth and the death of Christ. And I guess

2032
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:17,560
we don't. We don't have the time to get into

2033
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:21,159
it all right now. But also I directed you, Frank,

2034
01:54:21,239 --> 01:54:24,399
because you'd asked to an article i'd written seven or

2035
01:54:24,399 --> 01:54:27,439
eight years ago about all of the you know, the

2036
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:32,039
Shepherd's crook and the shepherds themselves and the Star itself,

2037
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:35,359
some really really cool anagogical stuff.

2038
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:36,119
Speaker 3: Uh.

2039
01:54:36,239 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 20: That's that's true, both historically and anagogically about the Christmas.

2040
01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:43,840
Uh iconography.

2041
01:54:44,279 --> 01:54:46,840
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, let me ask you this. I might

2042
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:49,800
have asked you before, but since we're going to be

2043
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,560
airing it after the show concludes in a few minutes

2044
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:56,680
on on the website, did you ever watch the Star

2045
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:58,039
of Bethlehem documentary?

2046
01:55:00,199 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 20: No, I need to watch it was I was thinking

2047
01:55:02,680 --> 01:55:04,600
of getting it out and showing the family just because

2048
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:07,479
you brought it up with me on the phone earlier.

2049
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:09,640
But I need to have you.

2050
01:55:10,319 --> 01:55:14,039
Speaker 1: I did watch it. I watched it a couple of times,

2051
01:55:14,079 --> 01:55:16,920
maybe about two years ago. I didn't watch it last year,

2052
01:55:17,159 --> 01:55:19,439
but I remembered early enough this year to say we

2053
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:22,960
have to have that in rotation for the for the show,

2054
01:55:23,079 --> 01:55:25,319
or in at least after hours, so tonight around nine

2055
01:55:25,439 --> 01:55:28,159
thirty Eastern time, so that'll be about you're in central

2056
01:55:28,279 --> 01:55:32,239
right about about eight thirty on my website is when

2057
01:55:32,439 --> 01:55:33,359
it's going to start.

2058
01:55:33,439 --> 01:55:36,000
Speaker 2: And if you've got any time, you get to peek

2059
01:55:36,039 --> 01:55:36,520
in on it.

2060
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it's, you know, from an astronomical standpoint, you

2061
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:43,279
want to talk about the gears of the clock working

2062
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:50,720
in perfect chorus to create a incredible turn of events

2063
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,520
at just the right time. I mean, how the stars

2064
01:55:54,079 --> 01:55:56,920
are aligned to tell the very same story you're talking

2065
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:59,399
about here. I mean, it's just like you know, the

2066
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:02,239
universe is falling in line. It's an incredible story. You

2067
01:56:02,279 --> 01:56:03,279
should take a listen to it.

2068
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:07,359
Speaker 20: Maybe I will. I've heard that and I know some

2069
01:56:07,399 --> 01:56:10,840
of the facts, and I think Jimmy Aiken with Catholic

2070
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:14,159
Answers has done a good job telling some at least

2071
01:56:14,199 --> 01:56:16,600
part of the same story. So but I'd love to.

2072
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:19,199
I'd love to take a look. And it's a great

2073
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:22,000
service you do this time of the year, Frank, by

2074
01:56:22,039 --> 01:56:26,239
always covering this stuff as objectively as you can objectively,

2075
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:30,359
it just ends up vindicating the Christian worldview.

2076
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 1: Well, it's always great to have people like you hanging

2077
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:36,560
out with us whenever we whenever in need and as

2078
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:38,840
well just in leisure time too.

2079
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:39,960
Speaker 2: But I have it right here.

2080
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:43,560
Speaker 1: You wrote it in twenty eighteen, the most overlooked Images

2081
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:46,039
of the Nativity. Maybe you come on next week. I'll

2082
01:56:46,039 --> 01:56:47,399
talk to you after the show and we'll get that.

2083
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:48,520
We'll get that ready to go.

2084
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:52,439
Speaker 20: Awesome, man, Yeah, I just wanted to say, great, great

2085
01:56:52,479 --> 01:56:55,159
work with Jay. I do a Lord of the Rings

2086
01:56:55,159 --> 01:56:59,159
reading group, that same one that I started last Hoobbit day.

2087
01:57:00,239 --> 01:57:03,399
We're just finishing the trilogy. You were originally going to

2088
01:57:03,439 --> 01:57:05,640
be in on that. We were starting September the twenty

2089
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:09,399
second of twenty three. We're just finishing, doing a chapter

2090
01:57:09,479 --> 01:57:14,199
a week, the complete trilogy. And I had that until

2091
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:17,159
what would be eight year time, but then I put

2092
01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:20,399
on you and Jay finishing up. And it's good news

2093
01:57:20,399 --> 01:57:22,840
that Alex Jones won is Judgment and all.

2094
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:26,279
Speaker 2: That looks good. You see. That's what I'm talking about, man.

2095
01:57:26,359 --> 01:57:29,119
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Hobbit and and the three

2096
01:57:29,279 --> 01:57:33,479
they did, the three books, and I was saying, you

2097
01:57:33,479 --> 01:57:37,319
know what those big trilogies, I just I don't know.

2098
01:57:37,439 --> 01:57:40,560
That's the fact that you're almost two years in and

2099
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:43,159
you're just about to wrap it all up. I would

2100
01:57:43,239 --> 01:57:45,479
love doing that, but I feel like, how how many

2101
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:48,079
people have dropped off over the course of over the

2102
01:57:48,079 --> 01:57:50,640
course of time, because that's my biggest fear doing a

2103
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:52,880
big book or a part of a series, is that

2104
01:57:53,279 --> 01:57:55,760
people will just drop off like flies.

2105
01:57:57,439 --> 01:58:01,800
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, they did. It was probably probably sixty to

2106
01:58:01,880 --> 01:58:03,520
seventy percent attrition.

2107
01:58:03,239 --> 01:58:04,000
Speaker 2: Right damn.

2108
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:08,680
Speaker 20: And we wound up with like six true blue Troopers

2109
01:58:09,239 --> 01:58:11,880
who saw it all the way through. I don't know

2110
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:13,279
if you know the structure of the Lord of the

2111
01:58:13,359 --> 01:58:18,600
Rings trilogy, but every book of the three hardback books

2112
01:58:19,119 --> 01:58:21,359
is actually comprised by book you know, book one and

2113
01:58:21,399 --> 01:58:23,720
Book two, and scholarship book three and book four. She

2114
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:27,000
tires book five and book six in Return of the King,

2115
01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:30,079
and I just said, because I wanted to be done

2116
01:58:30,119 --> 01:58:32,760
by Christmas, I said, all right, for book six, the

2117
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:35,239
second half of Return to the King, we're going two

2118
01:58:35,319 --> 01:58:39,000
chapters a week, and we wouldn't even be finished by Christy.

2119
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:41,640
It would be February March before he'd be finished if

2120
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:44,479
we kept going at the one chapter a week pace.

2121
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:46,840
Speaker 3: So, you know, at least I.

2122
01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:48,439
Speaker 2: Thought, I still think about that.

2123
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:52,279
Speaker 1: First the first book club session, you and me doing

2124
01:58:52,439 --> 01:58:55,319
wind Swept House that was over six hundred pages, and

2125
01:58:55,439 --> 01:58:58,520
we were doing about sixty to sometimes.

2126
01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:00,159
Speaker 2: I don't know if I felt that. I think it

2127
01:59:00,199 --> 01:59:01,399
went like thirteen weeks.

2128
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:05,399
Speaker 1: I think after that book, I started doing anywhere from

2129
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:08,079
for a thicker book, anywhere from eighty to one hundred

2130
01:59:08,119 --> 01:59:11,279
pages a week, just because you know, oh it's crazy,

2131
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:14,159
just because we wanted to get these things done within

2132
01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:16,840
a month so that we can read at least five

2133
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:19,720
books a year. But so it always makes me wonder

2134
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:21,920
how long the book is going to be Fahrenheit four

2135
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:24,119
or five one. And I didn't realize how short it

2136
01:59:24,239 --> 01:59:26,000
was because when I bought it, it was it's a

2137
01:59:26,039 --> 01:59:28,359
thick book. But I realized that half of the book

2138
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:33,359
was all extra material and interviews with Ray Bradberry and

2139
01:59:33,399 --> 01:59:35,319
everything else like that, It's going to be like a

2140
01:59:35,359 --> 01:59:37,760
forty page read in January.

2141
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:39,279
Speaker 2: But I guess that's good to start a new year,

2142
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:41,680
you know, something a little bit short.

2143
01:59:42,319 --> 01:59:45,119
Speaker 20: Yeah, but yeah, I was getting I kept getting behind

2144
01:59:45,159 --> 01:59:48,359
on wind Sweat. The Great Divorce was I think the

2145
01:59:48,399 --> 01:59:52,640
second one we did together in reading group, and that

2146
01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:55,000
was that was my page we were doing. We were

2147
01:59:55,039 --> 01:59:58,279
doing forty pages per week. I think with that, but.

2148
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:01,359
Speaker 2: Well, maybe maybe you'll join and me and Uh.

2149
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:04,119
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to co host obviously, I'll

2150
02:00:04,159 --> 02:00:06,800
just be doing it with Steven, Jonathan and UH in

2151
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:10,359
March leading up to Easter. But we're doing the the

2152
02:00:10,439 --> 02:00:13,399
sequel to the Robe. We're doing The Big Fishermen now

2153
02:00:13,439 --> 02:00:15,640
in March. You should you should read the Robe real

2154
02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:17,319
quick and then you should get in on the Big

2155
02:00:17,359 --> 02:00:18,079
Fishermen Man.

2156
02:00:19,399 --> 02:00:21,159
Speaker 20: Okay, maybe maybe I'll do that.

2157
02:00:21,279 --> 02:00:22,439
Speaker 2: You love it, You would love it.

2158
02:00:22,479 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 1: The Robe was really sensational last year, and it was

2159
02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:27,960
so well timed. You should read along and actually read

2160
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:31,159
along to the sessions that we archived on the show.

2161
02:00:31,199 --> 02:00:33,760
I'll send you the whole the whole series. That'll be good.

2162
02:00:35,159 --> 02:00:37,720
Speaker 20: Okay, you did that with That's a little book, isn't it.

2163
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:40,000
Speaker 2: No, No, it was. It was over.

2164
02:00:40,479 --> 02:00:43,520
Speaker 1: It was over three hundred pages, I think, but it was.

2165
02:00:44,119 --> 02:00:47,119
It was so it was magical, dude, it really was awesome.

2166
02:00:47,159 --> 02:00:49,000
There's a there's quite a few people who had like

2167
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:54,159
they're they were already on the path to reversion or conversion,

2168
02:00:54,319 --> 02:00:58,199
and that reading session was really sensational.

2169
02:00:58,239 --> 02:00:59,119
Speaker 2: I got to send it to you.

2170
02:01:00,079 --> 02:01:01,640
Speaker 20: Oh, with you and with you and Steven.

2171
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, oh, that's.

2172
02:01:03,680 --> 02:01:04,119
Speaker 2: Dope, man.

2173
02:01:04,199 --> 02:01:06,960
Speaker 20: Yeah, maybe maybe I'll try to catch out and read

2174
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:10,359
it with you guys in March, starting on what ash Wednesday.

2175
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:13,840
Speaker 1: That well last year, last year, I remember the first

2176
02:01:13,880 --> 02:01:17,239
session was right before. It was crazy how it all

2177
02:01:17,279 --> 02:01:20,000
lined up because the first session.

2178
02:01:21,239 --> 02:01:22,560
Speaker 2: Ended. I don't know if you know.

2179
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:25,000
Speaker 1: The the the plot. I gotta, I gotta wrap this

2180
02:01:25,079 --> 02:01:28,520
up now. But the plot is you have this Roman

2181
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:32,359
centurion and you have his slave. He gets in trouble

2182
02:01:32,359 --> 02:01:34,439
in Rome, and he's kind of like punished by being

2183
02:01:34,479 --> 02:01:38,760
sent out to Palestine to be in the Holy Land

2184
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:41,520
and looking out for one of these you know, these

2185
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,279
kind of like dust bin garrisons out there, and he

2186
02:01:44,359 --> 02:01:46,319
happens to be in the Holy Land for the time

2187
02:01:46,359 --> 02:01:49,680
of the Crucifixion. In fact, he's actually charged with being

2188
02:01:50,039 --> 02:01:54,840
the one the executioners, and and it's it's an incredible

2189
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:57,159
faith journey there for not only the slave, but the

2190
02:01:57,159 --> 02:02:00,640
centurion and the the the grappling over the road that

2191
02:02:00,720 --> 02:02:05,039
Jesus wore. But the first session that we had, the

2192
02:02:05,159 --> 02:02:10,880
reading ended on Demetrius the slaves observing of Jesus coming

2193
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:16,079
into Jerusalem on the donkey, on on on Palm Sunday

2194
02:02:16,159 --> 02:02:19,199
and We read it the day after Palm Sunday and

2195
02:02:19,239 --> 02:02:22,000
it just felt so everything out of line for that book.

2196
02:02:22,039 --> 02:02:24,399
It was really awesome, and I think that you'll fly

2197
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:27,800
through it because I know Stephen and his wife. His

2198
02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:29,840
wife jumped on for it too because she was so

2199
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,159
curious and she finished the book before all of us.

2200
02:02:32,239 --> 02:02:33,640
Speaker 2: So I think you're gonna love it.

2201
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:37,319
Speaker 20: Say say, yeah, she's a great lady. Yeah yeah, maybe

2202
02:02:37,319 --> 02:02:37,800
I'll do that.

2203
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:38,039
Speaker 3: Man.

2204
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:40,840
Speaker 20: Well, I know you got to go, but let's do

2205
02:02:41,159 --> 02:02:44,279
the Hidden Symbols of the Civity next week sometime, and

2206
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:46,960
always looking for a collab with you.

2207
02:02:47,199 --> 02:02:47,479
Speaker 3: Frank.

2208
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:49,079
Speaker 1: All right, brother, I'll talk to you a little bit.

2209
02:02:49,199 --> 02:02:52,880
Have a great night. There you go, ladies and gentlemen.

2210
02:02:53,279 --> 02:02:55,680
Even a call from Timothy Gordon. All right, it's nine

2211
02:02:55,720 --> 02:02:57,920
o'clock on the dot. It's almost like I planned it

2212
02:02:57,960 --> 02:03:01,520
that way. So I'll see you guys at some point tomorrow.

2213
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:02,199
Speaker 2: I'll go live.

2214
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:06,159
Speaker 1: I should be able to get home at some point

2215
02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:09,279
and go live from Studio B at least just for

2216
02:03:09,319 --> 02:03:11,359
an hour and do some calls. There will be no

2217
02:03:11,439 --> 02:03:17,000
seven o'clock show though, because we're taking Aurora to Christmas Castle,

2218
02:03:17,479 --> 02:03:21,159
and hopefully I can be live from there around broadcast

2219
02:03:21,239 --> 02:03:23,920
time on my phone, but if there is not enough

2220
02:03:23,960 --> 02:03:26,720
service I will be taking a lot of footage again

2221
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:30,640
that we can analyze with my family on December twenty third,

2222
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:33,560
when we have that family broadcast. So no show tomorrow

2223
02:03:34,119 --> 02:03:36,840
and at least in the form that you know it,

2224
02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:40,159
and I'll see you on Friday night, seven o'clock right here,

2225
02:03:40,279 --> 02:03:42,079
no doubt about it. Let me see make sure that

2226
02:03:42,119 --> 02:03:45,039
nobody else has left any super chats. I didn't see,

2227
02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:49,119
Gino says always love when my two favorites get together.

2228
02:03:49,199 --> 02:03:51,279
Sorry I couldn't see it live. Love to you and

2229
02:03:51,319 --> 02:03:55,560
the family of Francis look forward to seeing this show tomorrow. Well,

2230
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:58,199
I'm so happy and I can't wait to hear what

2231
02:03:58,279 --> 02:04:01,079
you think because I love doing tonight broadcast. It was fun,

2232
02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:04,600
Paul says, Hey, Frank regarding the drones mothership, it could

2233
02:04:04,600 --> 02:04:07,359
be a club k system in a cargo ship off

2234
02:04:07,439 --> 02:04:11,319
the coast. I remember Project Pelican, the Kenyan handed off

2235
02:04:11,359 --> 02:04:15,239
control of some of our ports to shady outfit. Thanks always,

2236
02:04:15,279 --> 02:04:20,439
Merry Christmas, Frankly, there's a theory. There's a theory, But

2237
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:24,279
regardless of what kind of a cargo ship it is,

2238
02:04:24,479 --> 02:04:27,600
if it's seafaring or if it's something else, there's gotta

2239
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:30,239
be a way to follow this thing back to it's

2240
02:04:30,319 --> 02:04:36,640
doc It's got to be something, all right. The Sentinel says.

2241
02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:38,960
The drone distraction has a purpose, just like the big

2242
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:42,479
white balloons did last year, like there isn't enough other

2243
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:46,000
problems to worry about Syria, Ukraine, Israel, et cetera. And

2244
02:04:46,039 --> 02:04:48,960
it gets the Daniel Penny win out of the headlines.

2245
02:04:49,399 --> 02:04:52,960
January twentieth, twenty twenty five can't come quick enough. I'm

2246
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:55,399
with you on that one, Sentinel, and thank you all

2247
02:04:55,399 --> 02:04:58,119
so much for watching. I'll see you tomorrow at some point.

2248
02:04:59,159 --> 02:05:03,479
And yeah, become a sponsor, go do some Christmas shopping

2249
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:06,000
on the affiliates page on quite frankly dot tv and

2250
02:05:06,119 --> 02:05:09,640
starting in just a couple of moments is quite frankly

2251
02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:12,800
after hours. And just to say once again for you

2252
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:15,560
guys who may have missed it, here's what you have.

2253
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:17,920
And I really think that you should treat yourself tonight.

2254
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:23,880
We have to open up suspicious observers, dark comets, magnetic polls, shifts,

2255
02:05:23,880 --> 02:05:26,479
solar flares. That's only a couple of minutes for long report.

2256
02:05:26,680 --> 02:05:28,800
Then you have speak life. This is about a twenty

2257
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:32,640
five minute long video. Bill Maher and Stephen Fry debunked

2258
02:05:32,640 --> 02:05:37,319
over Christian Christmas myths. That's about twenty five minutes long,

2259
02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:40,399
and that'll bring you right to about nine thirty nine

2260
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:43,520
thirty five, that is when Rick Larsen's The Star of

2261
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:46,079
Bethlehem begins, and that'll be about an hour or so

2262
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:51,119
and it is worth it. Sit back, relax and just

2263
02:05:51,319 --> 02:05:54,119
take it in all right. I'll be watching with you.

2264
02:05:54,279 --> 02:05:56,800
I'll jump into the chat from time to time. Have

2265
02:05:56,840 --> 02:06:01,840
a great night, ladies and gentlemen. Goodbye. Of course, of.

2266
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:06,479
Speaker 13: Course I'll catch you on the flip side.

2267
02:06:16,439 --> 02:06:19,760
Speaker 1: Quite Frankly is film for a live studio audience. And

2268
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:26,119
now our super chatters starring Gino, Paul, Jay Britz Stoves Tube,

2269
02:06:26,399 --> 02:06:29,119
Jay Semmo on the Rumble rants into all of our

2270
02:06:29,159 --> 02:06:32,159
wonderful friends on the Gold Pills. I am releasing the

2271
02:06:32,199 --> 02:06:35,279
Scratch and right now and also dumping out the Treasure

2272
02:06:35,399 --> 02:06:37,880
Chest on d Live. I'll see you after hours on

2273
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:41,039
quite frankly dot TV. My friends, thank you for the evening.

2274
02:07:13,119 --> 02:07:13,439
Speaker 13: Well you

2275
02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:20,239
Speaker 2: Will you shut up, you