Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody. I hope you're having a good night.
It's definitely an honor of mind to be here with
you on this Wednesday, December eleventh, twenty twenty four. Make
yourself at home, pour yourself a cup of something hot
or cold. It's up to you. But it's a it's
a pretty rainy day over here. It's not a white
Christmas yet. I wonderful we'll have one of those again
sometime soon. It'd be really, really nothing debilitating, but just
to add.
Speaker 2: A little bit of a glow, a.
Speaker 1: Layer of something on top of all the Christmas lights,
so you get that nice sub snow level, surface level glow.
Speaker 2: You know that what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I love that if we can get a well timed
for the actual holiday, something again not debilitating, so people
can still get in their cars and get to their
destinations safely. But you know, what do you want? You
can't have everything. You can't have everything. As the barber,
the Russian barber told me when I was fifteen, and
he said that my hair was thinning, said, what are
you talking about? He saw something that I didn't. I
should have listened to him instead, I hated him.
Speaker 2: What I was gonna do.
Speaker 1: Even if I did listen to him, get get what
go start with Rogaine. At least I managed to get
through college without it being noticeable. And then it was well,
I told the story before the hell we're talking about
snow on Christmas. Now it's back to hair anyway. I
like shaving my head, so go to hell. So here's
what I have for you tonight. Jay Dyer is returning
to talk a little bit about Christmas. You know, every
year around this time, the Marxist d bonkers out there.
They set out to pick apart the significance of the
Christmas story and tradition and everything and reduce it to
a short list of recycled myths from all over the place.
And you know, some of it we've addressed over the
years other times, no matter how much they have been
you know, rebunked, they just keep coming back. And I'm
more of a curious guy who has my biases and
my prejudices and where I lean. I leave those out
there for everybody to see. But at the same time,
I ask questions and I take the answers that I
get back, and from there we form better questions or
better understandings.
Speaker 2: That's all it's about and tonight.
Speaker 1: I have more tonight because this is the time of year,
around the eleventh day of December. Yeah, we're getting there,
getting closer and closer. Fourteen days out. This is when
we're going to see it all simmer all the subversive
stuff starts simmering. Many people who are just living their
lives outside of the interwebs are just going about their
business and they're counting down the days in the calendar,
not only to Christmas but to the New Year, and
they're not really worried about anything else. But in the
Tavistock cesspool that is the Internet, there's a whole lot
of shit going on. And the war continues to rage,
so and every day there's new factions of that war too.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I'll talk about that in a little bit, but that's
all I have to say. In the meantime, you still
have plenty of time to go and make gift baskets
for all of your friends, stuff stockings for all of
your friends. With our affiliates. You can go to quite
frankly TV to the affiliates page. There's Blue Monster Prep.
Get people gift certificates for prepping so they can go
out and get water filtration and you know, two way radios, food,
whatever it is, that's all there. Hell, we just talked
with Robin McCutcheon about the economy and what the new
American dollar may look like. Even if it is if
we're talking about something that can be used on a
digital slash crypto level, but it's backed by an asset
like gold, gold and silver can be gotten on quite
frankly dot gold. Our good buddy, Tony are I actually
have to get on the phone with him. He said
he has some Christmas prints for the one ou silver
rounds that's here. Just give him out to everybody who
deserves a gift in my family. In fact, tonight in
the second half, I'm gonna be giving out this last
round I have laying out over here, the silver. Who
knows which one of you gets that one? And I'll
even throw in one of the even more valuable quite
frankly wooden nickel. That's it, the wooden nickel. That's good
for us, good for you if you win it. But
there's more. There's there's merchandise, there is there's tons. You
can even get somebody as general sponsorship to the show.
So thank you all for that tonight the after hours,
since we are going to be doing a lot about
Christmas origin stories and all that stuff and proofs and
all that. After hours, we have that really awesome documentary
by Rick Larson, who I've been trying to get on
the show, but maybe you have to start trying in
July about the Star of Bethlehem.
Speaker 2: The Star of Bethlehem is going to be playing.
Speaker 1: If we get off the air at nine o'clock, we'll
have about a half hour buffer of some other really
cool stuff that'll be there after the show on quite
frankly dot TV, and then the Star of Bethlehem full
documentary will start at nine thirty. It's a little bit
over an hour, but you got to you gotta, you
gotta listen to this and a lot of that stuff.
I realized we got in a great conversation with Timothy
Alberino about the Star of Bethlehem and what was going
on astronomically in the sky about two thousand and twenty
years ago or whenever the hell it was.
Speaker 2: What do people say that Jesus was born four years
before Christ was born? I never get that. I thought
that year.
Speaker 1: Zero was year zero, Like, no, actually he was born
in uh three BC. Wow, jeez, that's really early to
talk about an early due date. You know, Aurora showed
up three years three days before her due date. You know,
she's supposed to be on the seventeenth of September, showed
up on the fourteenth.
Speaker 2: Jesus showed up three years early. I never got it.
But what the hell? Who am I to question?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So, so yeah, I think that's all I have for
you right now in the second half of the show,
aside from taking your calls and all the responses to
I'm sure we're going to get with jayder On with us.
We have to get into we must get into the
UFO thing in in Jersey. It has reached incredibly ridiculous
levels where now there are conflicting reports and denials from
both Congressmen and then the Pentagon about whether or not
a the UFO slash drones are Iranian, but that there
is a mothership, mother ship off the east coast of
the United States somewhere that we haven't seen and somehow
can't find a way to deal with the Iranians.
Speaker 2: They've crossed the Atlantic and they're.
Speaker 1: Just parked out there, and we just so we have
to get around to that tomorrow. There may be an
impromptu stream from my phone at some point on YouTube,
but the seven o'clock show is canceled tomorrow. I got
to get over here. We have to do some more
painting in here. There's more electrical work that I have
to do, some other things we're swapping out, and I
want that done before the weekend. Very important that I
do that before the weekend. So I'll be here early
tomorrow painting and getting other things done, and then maybe
sometime this afternoon. That afternoon I will do a stream.
Perhaps I'll go cross go live across all the platforms,
but I will not be live at seven. Maybe I
will rerun it at seven on quite frankly TV. But
tomorrow's gonna be a little bit different because there's a
lot of a lot of things we've got to do
over here. And I think that's all the end of
my announcements. Into the grab bag. We go for a
couple of seconds that we have left. It's seven oh seven.
Jay is coming on in about eight minutes, so that
means I got about five for moving and shaking.
Speaker 2: First one is from where the hell is this? I
don't know?
Speaker 1: Study finds, Oh, it's from study fines for some reason,
it's not showing up on this. It's not showing ap
use well, I can't find it.
Speaker 2: Chris Milori. Study finds silent epidemic. You want to know
what it is. It's not COVID, it's herpes.
Speaker 1: Eight hundred and forty six million people are infected with
genital herpes?
Speaker 2: Are you one of them? Anyway? In Geneva?
Speaker 1: Did you know that there has been a hidden epidemic
sweeping the world. A new study finds nearly a billion
people are dealing with a painful and socially traumatizing infection
that has no cure. More than one in five people
between the ages of fifteen and forty nine are living
with genital herpes, the staggering statistic that reveals a global
health challenge largely shrouded in silence and stigma. These shocking findings,
revealed by the World Health Organization, exposed the widespread nature
of this common sexually transmitted infection, with researchers calling for
urgent action. The numbers are eye opening. Approximately eight hundred
and forty six million people worldwide carried genital herpes with
a new infection happening every second, every second, translating to
forty two million new cases annually. It's probably that porn
star girl that just slept with one hundred people in
twenty four hours. What a dark path that chick is on.
I saw a two minute clip of the documentary that
just came out, and she's all traumatized afterwards, crying this
that she's feeling.
Speaker 2: This feels like a robot.
Speaker 1: She just screwed one hundred people in twenty four hours,
thinking Okay, well that would be rock bottom for a
lot of people. Maybe this actually changes something for her.
And then the next day she announces that she's going
to try to set the world record in spring of
twenty twenty five where she bangs a thousand people in
a day.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: She might be the sole source of herpes. She might be,
but that's one thing for you. I hope that went
over well with the family. All right, now, let's go
to the next one. SFGate dot Com SF Tech CEOs
billboards are dystopian. That's how he wants it over here
in San Francisco, Thursday afternoon, in San Francisco, on one
side of Mission Street, hotel workers chanted and banged on
a drum outside of the Marriotte Marquee, part of a
month's long strike for higher wages and more jobs. On
the other, a tech company billboard proclaims stop hiring humans.
Various versions of the provocative advertisements are emblazing across the
city on rotating screen displays, on bus shelters, and on
classic vinyl billboards on polls and buildings plugging the San
Francisco startup Artisan. SF Gates spoke with Artisan's CEO about
the campaign. The company has just thirty employees and is
less than two years old. It's only existing product. It's
an artificial intelligence sales agent called Artisan, built to automate
the work of finding and messaging potential customers.
Speaker 2: It's a classic.
Speaker 1: AI age idea, one of many such tools flooding the
tech world. Oh maybe I should look into that. I
definitely would like to bring on two main business sponsors
into twenty twenty five. In fact, I'll just tell the
audience that if you've got a badass business, American Maid,
whatever the hell you are, and you need a national audience,
get in touch with me. Let's see. But the billboards
in San Francisco are less routine. Bleak might be a
better word or mean spirited in a city laden with
jargoning advertisements, These are easy to understand. Most feature a
dark haired, purple air, purple eyed persona and a few
rows of texts. Some critique humans and remote work, artisans
won't complain about work life balance, and artisans zoom cameras
will never be not working today. Others are more direct,
higher artisans not humans. Several include the line the era
of AI employees is here. Oh, I believe them, I
believe them, and one hell of a you know, juxtaposition
there with the workers strike across the whole. I don't
know how you can get AI to take care of
a hotel. I guess you can bring I guess robots
can can go, you know, deliver fo to people's doors.
But that's that's interesting, and I guess not unexpected. Israel divorce.
Israel destroys Syrian naval assets in Latakia, if that's how
you say it, After destroying much of the Syrian air
force and its air defenses and its largest air op ever,
congrats to the revolutionaries who helped me. This is from
Max Blumenthal, So you know, I guess there's more of
your Israeli buffer zone stuff. Israel just took out whatever
navy and air force Syria had, so Assad is suddenly gone.
In blitzkrieg fashion. The head choppers have taken over the
government and Israel is now newtering the country while taking
over new territory in order to you know, secure its
own interests. As I said before, we'll see how many
buffer zones are claimed over the next couple of years.
I'd also like to se happy birthday to Gina from
South Carolina. I missed it yesterday. She turned fifty eight.
She told me I didn't ask. She's proud of her age, okay,
and she's a great friend of the show. And she's
in great shape too, So you go, girl. I hope
you had a wonderful one, and I'm sorry for the
belated wishes. Let's get back to the show right after this.
Be ready, ladies and gentlemen, and if you can help me,
send this show out to people who've never seen her before,
share it far and wide, whether you're watching live or
on demand.
Speaker 2: Be right back.
Speaker 4: Do you let one ant stand up to us, then
they all might stand up. Those puny little ants outnumber
us one hundred to one. And if they ever figure
that out there goes our way of life. It's not
about food, It's about keeping those ants in line.
Speaker 2: That's why we're going back.
Speaker 4: Does anybody else want to stay?
Speaker 5: Let's ride.
Speaker 6: Say I'm mister green Christmas, mister sun, it's a green
one over here.
Speaker 1: Mister heat blister, I'm mister hundred and oh you gotta
love the heat miser song? Or I touch Hey, who
do you like better? Are you a heat miser guy
or are you a snow miser guy. I think I
always liked snow miser better, only because he just didn't
get frazzled that much. He was more of a joker
and heat miser was a little bit more of a spaz.
And so I like the whole idea of being able
to throw a snowball and not have it kill somebody,
whereas heat miser is just like dealing with lava all day.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just like I know, I guess you can kill
somebody with an icicle, but it just seemed a little
bit snow Miser touches something and it bursts into a
cloud of snowflakes, and then heat miser comes in. It
melts down into molten le Melton metal that just seemed
very inconvenient, almost like having the the Midas touched there,
which as we all know, is not a convenience at all.
All right, So you let me know, heat miser or
snow miser. If you want to wage war, probably heat miser.
You'll kill everybody. So depending on what you what you
want to do, what your intentions are, all right, So
this is what we have this time of year. And
I love listening to people debate. I love learning because
I learned by listening to conversations a lot more than
anything else. I do a fair amount of reading, been
reading a lot more of late, especially since we.
Speaker 2: Ramped up the.
Speaker 1: Book club, and we've been doing that for three years.
In fact, our guest tonight is he's a multiple time
co host on the Quite Frankly book Club, Jay Dyer.
And it's this time of year where most of us
are lost in the bustle of the season, reflecting on
a year of a year's past. But we are still
we're still in the middle of a war, and that's
what we have to we get reminded of all the time.
It's a cultural war. It's taking place mostly in digital,
digital fields, and we know what to expect everywhere we go.
Whenever we especially when we reach a designated time for
Thanksgiving in this country or anywhere, we are offered up
reason after reason to reject the old culture, the old
way of doing things, patriotic reasons for celebrating and remembering
the past, and our wanted heroes and all that stuff.
We're offered up something else. In replacement of that, we
embrace something a little bit more I don't know. They
want us to replace everything with something a little bit
more discordant, much like modern art.
Speaker 2: From Fourth of July.
Speaker 1: To Thanksgiving, we are fed a steady diet of whiny,
subversive nonsense to disengage us from tradition. That happens a lot,
and of course the same is done for Christmas and
Easter alike. Now, right now, we're in the middle of Advent,
So there's a cacophony online that is building, and it's
comprised of new atheists and neopagans. One side wants to
antagonize Christians into despondency with claims that Christmas is a
meaningless amalgamation of silly pagan traditions, and the other side, well,
are neopagans, so they're angry, I guess because they want
to be taken seriously. So it's just there's a lot
of stuff going on, and tonight we'll get into some
of those points of contention that we see year in
year out with a friend of ours, Jay Dyer Jaysanalysis
dot Com.
Speaker 2: He's back with us tonight, Jay. How you doing? Hey?
Speaker 3: What's that? Mon'm done great? How are you?
Speaker 2: Oh? I'm doing all right.
Speaker 1: What do you usually do this time of year to
get ready for the big day? You have a lot
of traditions to you and the wife go to certain places,
you like, do certain things, get in the mood.
Speaker 2: What do you do?
Speaker 7: I mean, for the Orthodox Church, Christmas is huge, so
like we have really long services, there's a lot of services.
It's a huge affair. It's only rivaled by Easter, so
you know, there's a lot going on. So mainly it's
just kind of focused around that kind of stuff. But
my personal experiences with my wife, I mean, we just
kind of do the standard stuff everybody does with family.
Speaker 1: Well, I know you guys are also really big into
I've watched so many film breakdowns between you and your wife,
so I got to imagine that you guys have at
least a top five Christmas movies that you go to
if you're gonna sit down and watch a Christmas movie
that you know is always going to hit the spot
for you.
Speaker 2: What is it Jingle all the Way?
Speaker 7: Actually, yeah, that's one of our favorite of the worst
Christmas movies.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 7: There's a couple of comedies that are kind of funny,
just Friends, It's kind of funny. But we actually kind
of like Lord of the Rings around this time of
year because I remember it seems like Lord of the
Rings came out in the theaters back in the day, you know,
two thousand and three or so, right around Christmas time,
So for me, it's kind of a Christmas movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So those are some of our favorites.
Speaker 7: But i'd have to think about what I mean, there's
not actually that many good Christmas movies.
Speaker 3: A lot of them are pretty much junk. But yeah,
Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, if I were given a little bit
of time to make a list, I'd have to say
that there's there's more good Christmas films than there are Well,
there's a lot of bad. There's just so many, so
just by laws of probability, many of them are gonna
be bad. But just like I can't stand most Christmas songs,
but that means that doesn't mean that there aren't hundreds
that I love anyway.
Speaker 2: You know another one.
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily a Christmas film I always watch around
this time. You and I did the book The Godfather.
I always end up watching around this time of year.
Speaker 3: That's a good point, Yeah, I kind of use.
Speaker 7: I mean, I know this is kind of nerdy, but
I like the original Star Wars, and for me, that's
kind of a Christmas time movie. I guess I grew
up playing so many Star Wars video games around the
time of Christmas, because if you play video games, you
get a video game around Christmas time, you're going to
be playing it. So that's also kind of burned into
my mind as a Christmas era movie.
Speaker 2: Shadow Shadows of the Empire on n sixty four.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, I played the crap out of that one.
I had it on PC though, but it was a
lot of fun. Rogue Squadron, like all of those like
sixty four.
Speaker 3: Era games, were a blast for Christmas time.
Speaker 7: There's also like some really good I'm good and super
nerdy here, but there was some really good PlayStation two
Lord of the Rings games too that I remember playing
the crop out of It Christmas.
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 1: And you know, I bought a PlayStation five because I
like having PlayStations in the house just as as an
entertainment system. Did we have one too, But I was
really upset when I opened it up in the box,
I realized it did not have a drive input.
Speaker 2: I had to get a separate day Oh.
Speaker 3: I bought the Yeah, I made sure to buy the
one was the disc.
Speaker 2: I said, eightiots, damn.
Speaker 1: So like now I have this separate DVD player that
I plug in the HDMI three port.
Speaker 2: I feel like an idiot.
Speaker 1: Anyway, thirty years that's what I really want to say,
thirty years of PlayStation I can't believe that it's been
thirty years since the first one came out. But anyhow,
the real reason I have you here tonight is because
we're in the middle of it all and I want
to talk about some of the things, the claims that
pop up this time of year, whether it's by you know,
recycled videos of Bill Maher and the religulous movie he
did years ago, or that very famously circulating video of
Stephen Frye going into the mithross elements of you know,
where there is commonality or synchronicity between Christmas and everything else.
And it's all really just just to make sure that
everybody who wants to believe in a religion and believe
that it is true is constantly pelted with the idea
of plurality. And what I want to you here is,
here's the one example I've got. And this is not
from a this is not from an atheist. This is,
I believe, from a neo pagan type said Christmas has
pagan roots. Europeans celebrated Yule, Midsummer, a Halloween, and Easter religiously.
Eleven hundred to fourteen hundred years of dressing it up
as biblical does not change its root. So where would
you Where do you start with this jay? Because I'll
tell you one thing. I understand that there there is
a level of appropriation here. A couple of years ago,
me and Timothy Gordon we talked about the Tannenbaum in particular,
we did a show on Saint Boniface and his mission
work in northern Europe and cutting down the thunder Oak
of Thor. So I understand that there is at least
in that instance, you have an appropriation of pagan symbols
via conquest, just like a hunter would turn game into
a fluffy hat or a coat and wear it as
a symbol of something that they overcame. But what about
things like the Yule? And where do you start with this?
Unpacking it all?
Speaker 7: Right, So there's a lot of different things we should say.
The first thing I would say is that you know,
Christmas actually comes out of the Orthodox East, and the
dating for that is done in its earliest stage by
some of the really early Eastern Church fathers, and the
way they derived that date, if you go and actually
read some of these church fathers in the second and
third century, has nothing to do whatsoever with soul invictus,
has nothing to do with anything that the Roman Empire
was doing.
Speaker 3: In fact, it was all derived from the first chapter.
Speaker 7: Of the Book of Luke. And I sent you a
great article by an Orthodox priest. His name's father Jeff Harvey,
and it's a good shepherd Australia Orthodox Church. He has
a really good article that I always share around the
time of the year that explains the basics of the
Christian dating of Christmas and what has really absolutely nothing
to do with the pagan dating.
Speaker 3: I'll just make it really quick.
Speaker 7: Basically, in the first chapter of Luke we can derive
when Zachariah was doing his priestly duties during Yom Kipor.
So this is mentioned that in Luke one Zachariah is
doing his priestly duties. We know that that's the time
of the offering of incense and whatnot on the day
of Yom Kippor. This is Luke one eight through eleven,
and that then tells us the date roughly at which
Christians were able to calculate the birth of John the Baptist,
or what we call in the East John the Forerunner,
as being born September twenty third if you read that chapter,
this is when the announcement of the birth John the
Baptist is so two hundred and seventy days plus that
equals June twenty fourth. The observation, then of the annunciation
of Christ's birth is in six months after John the
Baptist conception, and this is mentioned in Luke one twenty
six to twenty seven. So in the sixth month of
Elizabeth's pregnancy, Gabriel is sent from God to a city
Galiley named Nazareth to a virgin whose name is Joseph
the House of David, and the virgin's name was Mary.
So calculating September twenty third adding six months brings us
to March twenty fifth, So March twenty fifth then for
annunciation to Mary nine months that after March twenty fifth
gets us to December twenty fifth. The other thing I
would note is that Sol and Victus, as he points out,
was established according to the scholar Manfred Klaus, by the
Emperor Aurelian in two seventy four AD, so it is
December twenty fourth, But this is actually fifty years after
the early church father Sextus Julius Africanus mentions the December
twenty first. So the December twenty five date is mentioned
by the church fathers fifty years before the establishment of
Soul Invictus and then sat Aroinais and against Heresies talks
about March twenty fifth being so he's one eighty a d.
He wrote a very famous so big fat Christian theology
book in one eighty and he mentions that being dated
this way as well, So we know the early Christian
Church was really not concerned with what the pagan mysteries
were up to. But so often people that repeat like
the Zeitgeist sort of conspiracy stuff is really low tier.
They don't really have any idea about like Christian theology
or what's actually derived from the Book of Luke. And
just like with Christmas in the Orthodox Church, what's called
Easter is actually called Pasca. That's just the Greek word
for Passover, and so it's derived from the Jewish calendar
and the fulfillments of those Jewish feasts in the Christian
ceremonies and the establishment of the Church in the first
and second century. Thus, just with Christmas, so also Easter
has nothing to do with pagan rites or ceremonies. So
the fact that centuries later, in say six seven hundred
in the West, when they you have conversion of Germanic tribes,
the fact that they had some date that they celebrated,
or that druid celebrated on the same date is really
has nothing to do with the celebrations that are decided
upon by the Christian Church in the early days, which
relates to they're not totally aligned with the Jewish calendar,
but they relate to it, and thus the fulfillment of
the Jewish calendar in the revelations and the dates that
Jesus fulfills according to the New Church, the New Testament fulfillment.
Speaker 2: You know the other thing there too.
Speaker 5: I I.
Speaker 1: It's all very interesting because the one thing that people
will say, even without blinking, is that, you know, Jesus
wasn't born in December, right, he was born in June.
It's just a knee jerk thing that people who like
to pull a you know, an actually on you say,
you know he was actually born in June. And you know,
I usually just say, oh, okay, because what am I
supposed to do? And what When you ask, well, how
do you come to that conclusion? Usually they'll say, well,
because of the Roman census that was around the time
in the Roman sense, and they try to line it
up with the census. Other people have tried to say that,
you know, they get wrong. And where we are latitudely
and longitudely as far as that whole that whole part
of the world would have been December, would it have
been cold, would it still have been a harvest with
the shepherds have been out doing their thing if it
was in the middle of the winter, Thinking that they
were living in New York or something like that. But
that's where a lot of people will will come at
you with almost like I did you know a bar
trivia thing? When was Jesus born? They'll just say June?
So where do where does that?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: That comes from just a misunderstanding of or somewhere wrong
that timeline because you stopped in June for a second. There,
it's just misunderstanding of that timeline.
Speaker 3: Then did that had to do with uh, John the Baptist?
Speaker 7: So that's I stopped in March because they're calculating it
on the basis of what's in Luke one. Yeah, so
really it's nothing. So in other words, John the Baptist's
birth would be June twenty fourth, so that would be
John the Forerunner, And that's calculated as two hundred and
seventy days after the announcement that Zachariah's wife.
Speaker 3: Would have a baby, Elizabeth would have a baby. That's
John the Baptist, right, Ye.
Speaker 7: So then if you read Luke, there's that point where
Luke and where Leeke describes Mary and Elizabeth meeting, and
so we know about the annunciation date wise from that time,
and so that's why we get to December twenty fifth
is nine months after this, the Annunciation being March twenty
Excuse me, the Annunciation is March twenty fifth according to Irenaeus.
So you got the early Church saying that it's dated
from He's the most famous theologian of the Church in
the second century, so he wrote a big giant book
called Against Heresies. So in other words, he's telling us
that he's a bishop. He's not just some random dud.
He's like a bishop.
Speaker 3: Of the church, Leon Aeron Leon.
Speaker 7: He's telling us that we date this from March twenty
fifth for John the Baptist, and then nine months later
or assuming for the Annunciation, the niemus later is the
birth of Christ. So I mean, whether you think that's
wrong or right, Like, that's the explanation that the second
century Church gives for where they're getting the dates, and
it's from the Book of Luke. It has nothing to
do with trying to date it to the Roman census
or whatever. It's literally dated just like Easter or Pasca.
It's dated according to the Jewish ceremonies. So again, if
you read that article, like, the way that we would
know is because of Zechariah's priesthood, So Zacharai is serving
as there's a cycle of what priests do in the
Jewish calendar, what they do when they're in the temple,
when they're elected to be the one to offer the
incense is described in Luke one, so that's where they're
getting that date from. It just has it has nothing
to do with what the Pagans were up to. And
this is the assumption that a lot of people who
have that argument of that claim make is that really
Christianity was not a divinely established religion. It's just this
thing that was blended with all this pagan stuff and
their emperors controlled the church or whatever. But you can
look at the Council of Nicea in three twenty five,
and you can read the church fathers prior to Nicea,
and they don't teach anything fundamentally different than after the
Council of Nicea.
Speaker 3: So that is always built on these.
Speaker 7: Kind of Atlantis assumptions that there's this massive change after
the Constantine created the Catholic Church or whatever. It's just
not true. And you can actually read the people who
were Christians from the first two third century and there's
an abundant I mean all of these books up here
in the Red that's abundant amount of information from that
time period. So it's not a mystery. It's not like
we don't know. You can actually go read these people
in those time periods, and there's many church fathers who
are very famous and they talk about the services, they
talk about.
Speaker 3: You know, Pasca.
Speaker 7: In fact, one of the biggest controversies in the second
century at the time of Aaronais between the East and
the West, is about when.
Speaker 3: To date Pasca or Easter.
Speaker 7: So if the very first controversey that occurs is over
when to actually date Easter, should it be specifically the
Jewish calendar or something else, tells us that this is not.
Speaker 3: A pagan invention.
Speaker 7: Later or centuries later, it's one of the earliest controversies
in the shit. It's called the Quartodesseminarian controversy over when
to date Easter. And you if you read those church fathers,
Easter is not o star or that's just a later
Germanic term that has nothing to do with Pasca. They
call it Pasca. And it's just amazing to me that,
you know, people are this ignorant, not trying to be
rude to this people to disagree, but like it's.
Speaker 3: Not very hard to go read.
Speaker 7: You know, people from the second century writing about Pasca,
and in the Orthodox Church it's very clearly East, Like,
it's very clearly passover. In other words, the Greek word
pasca means passover, so you would never mistake Easter for
something pagan in the Orthodox Church when the entire ethos
is passover from Exodus.
Speaker 1: You say, what about just the the etymology of the
word Easter, you know, and also visuals of things like
bunnies and eggs. Where if there is very fundamental foundational
differences between these pagan practices and of course the the
the the the establishment of the Christian Church, then where
where does the the the overlap happen, at least in
popular culture?
Speaker 2: How does that start?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: So, there was a I'm trying to remember the exact spelling.
It's aeostore etre, which is just the Germanic word for
that goddess, but it's also a Germanic word for that season.
So you know, it's like, think about the days of
the week or the way we talk about the months, right,
sometimes the like January or john u Sometimes that the
names for things did signify a god, but that's not
the only reference that those words have. So in other words,
you can have a term that also refers to a
time period and not necessarily a deity or a goddess.
So this is what's called a word concept ballasy. A
lot of times people make the mistake of thinking that
because a word is used, it only has one meaning
a reference. Words can have multiple meanings or reference depending
upon context and depending upon intentionality of the author. So
just because the word ostara meant to Germanic tribes a
goddess does not mean that the festival or the time
period of spring is necessarily a reference to the goddess.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: It does? It does?
Speaker 1: And you know, when it comes to something like soul
and victis as well, you know, I admittedly I want
to do more reading on this so that the knowledge
is my own. But that is one thing that I
did have in mind, a question long since posed to
me about, you know, whether or not soul and Victis
was shifted itself to December in order to compete with Christianity,
which was already the dominant faith by the fourth century,
or was it the opposite, where because we Ultimately, I
don't know any Christians who are obsessed with the date
of December twenty fifth being accurate or although you know,
some may have better reasons than others for believing it,
because they may do the research and they do what
you do and stuff. But this does lend itself, This
whole idea lends itself to other theories about the early Church,
namely the story that Constantine's conversion wasn't authentic and that
he just wanted to see Christianity married with Roman traditions
and feast days in order to co opt the religion.
But that's what you're saying here. The timelines don't support
that theory.
Speaker 7: Yeah, both the celebration of the what we call Christmas
christ Mass or the Divine Liturgy and the dating of
Pasca or Easter are at least two centuries of one
hundred and fifty years prior to Constantine. So no, there's
no way really to conceive of anything malicious on the
part of Constantine on the.
Speaker 3: Basis of these dates.
Speaker 7: So there was these dates where we're well established far
before Constantine ever existed. And again you can read you know, Cyprian,
you can read Ignacious, you can read herein as you
can read Tertullian, you can read Origin. They're not all saints,
but they're all what are called writer or like Origin
and Tertullian that end up being saint, they're called patristic
writers because they still give us an insight into what
the thought of the Christian Church was in the second century.
And again there's vast amounts of material from this time period.
There's thousands of pages of material from this time period.
So it's not like we have to do a whole
lot of guest work. There might be certain areas where
it's unclear exactly, but we know that we know they
had a liturgical form of worship, we know they believed
in the saints, the relics of the saints. All this
stuff is very early. It's a you know, post Apostolic period.
You can find all this stuff. So now it's not
really anything to do with Constantine. I mean, if people
want to doubt the conversion of Constantine, I mean that's
I guess that's up to them.
Speaker 3: But even if you did doubt that, that really.
Speaker 7: Has nothing to do with proving or disproving anything relating
to what we're talking about, because, like I said, the
church fathers that are prominent at Nicia and after Nicia
teach all the same stuff as the ones prior to Nicia.
For example, Saint Athanasius, very famous defender of the duty
of Christ.
Speaker 3: At Nicia and so forth.
Speaker 7: I mean Athanasius has festal letters that he writes to
his all of the churches under his bishopric for.
Speaker 3: Easter, for Posca.
Speaker 7: I mean you could read his postcal letters. So the
very people going to the Council of Nicia have Pascal
East Easter letters. You know, they're famous letters that you
can go read. So and he talks about the celebration
of the feasts and all that. So, No, the origin
of these things, although it does pick up elements of
the cultures that are that surround you know, the Roman
Empire or that we would you could even say more
so Greek influence, like Byzantium. Like, the origin is really Hebrew.
I mean all of these are Hebrew root. So I
don't mean Hebrew roots movement. That's a heretical thing. But
I'm talking about again, Easter is literally Pasca, it's passover,
and if you I mean, it doesn't really make any
sense without passover. And so the fact that for example,
Christianity goes into a place where say German tribes celebrate
their version of the rights of the goddess or whatever,
because spring overlaps with that or something that's really just
historical coincidences.
Speaker 3: Nothing. There's no evidence.
Speaker 7: Or proof for any kind of conspiracy theory there when
all of the stuff that I'm talking about far predates
the the pagan tribes converting.
Speaker 1: You know, and every time I talk to you and
guests of your caliber, you know, it is always very
shocking to me to be reminded of how much there
really is as far as a historical record, because I mean,
when you when you think about anything around third century,
I just feel like everything that has already been turned
to dust.
Speaker 2: There's there's nothing left behind.
Speaker 1: There's a very small amount, but there, as you said before,
thousands of pages on any number of areas of what's
been going on around there. Let me ask you about
one thing in particular, and that is the history, the
preserved histories of the the the pagan Germanic druid kind
of you know, everything that's going on in Europe prior
to Christianity's spread throughout the continent. What has been preserved
directly from them, or was it all really just recorded
by early Christians who are interacting with these these tribes
and nations.
Speaker 3: No, the latter.
Speaker 7: Most of what we have in terms of scholarly you know,
documents academia is literally just given to us through the monastics, scholars,
and missionaries of that time period. So, for example, I
had some grad classes on this.
Speaker 3: I know about it.
Speaker 7: Like if you go and study boe Wolf, a lot
of scholars think that the the there's a recension that
Christian monastics did for those texts, and so there's sort
of proto Christian elements in beoe Wolf, which probably suggests
that there were Christian monks that translated or preserved it
and then maybe gave it some sort of christiani Ish
meanings or allegorical, you know, symbolic meanings. Some people think
that about you mentioned like Odin, you know that some
people think that monks were even tweaking those stories, and
so Odin Dying on a tree and this kind of
stuff might have been Christian missionaries preserving the text and
then kind of tweaking it to help convert the pagan So.
Speaker 3: All that's possible, But what it does show is.
Speaker 7: Is most people, i think will admit there's that there's
not really a lot of knowledge of the ancient European
pagan traditions. If you go into a lot of these groups,
you'll find that the neopagan wotan Ode and all these
different people that they're are knowledge of the they're actually
uh doing a lot of reconstructing work. So they're kind
of just kind of making it up as they go.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: If you read a lot of Tolkien, you know, Tolkien
was a specialist in that uh, in that arena, and
you know he was working with the EDAs and these
various Icelandic manuscripts and whatnot when he was writing Lord
of the Rings, and you know, there's just not a
whole lot of material that's preserved. There's a there's some,
but it's not like there's this all this like arcane
ancient you know, pagan heritage that's hand lore that's handed down.
It's not And most of the modern pagan groups literally
are just reconstructing and making up as they go.
Speaker 3: And that's not.
Speaker 7: Surprising because if you look at a lot of the
other cults and esoteric groups. For example, on my channel,
we just lectured through the entire almost the entire five
six hundred pages of the recent Cambridge publication of the
Cambridge Companion to Western Mysticism and Esoterism. There's multiple chapters
on the Pagan tradition, the ancient mysteries, the ancient Greek
Eleusinian mysteries, the mythras. I read all those chapters, and
what was funny is that many of the neopagan movements,
the scholars are admitting that they're just making it up
as they go. There is no ancient traditional pagan religion,
so you have to reconstruct it. Think about Wicca. Wicca
is that very thing Gerald Gardner studied under Croley and
literally has made up an ancient religion. And part of
what Crowley did was create a cult, a kind of
grad school to where you learn to make your own cult. Literally,
when Crowley was rewriting thet Thelma rituals, he admits he
just literally started making it up as he went. And
what you'll find is that that's pretty much the case
amongst all these groups, is that there's not actually an
ancient tradition. And that's very unique when you contra I mean,
the Christian Church is unique because whether you like it
or not, there is at least again a very well
preserved manuscript tradition, not just of the New Testament Old
Testament text with which there's thousands of which there's I mean,
there's no ancient sex that has that level of attestation
and number of manuscripts like the Bible of the New Testament,
the Church Fathers, as you just mentioned again thousands of pages,
all those read books right there, which is about eleven volumes.
Speaker 3: Most of that.
Speaker 7: Is from the first three centuries. So that's outstanding compared
to I mean, if people want to resurrect some kind
of Nego Pigan whatever, like they don't have anything. They
would be ironically going from Christian monastic translations in the
seventh eighth century. And if you go take a class
on Beowulf at the University of Grady, I'll.
Speaker 3: Tell you all this.
Speaker 2: Let's get into a couple other.
Speaker 1: I'll just pick up a couple more figures, like Santa
Claus for example. Now as far as Saint Nicholas, what
has become now, I mean this cartoonish you know display
that we have this.
Speaker 2: You know where we live right now.
Speaker 1: I understand the difference between the two and how anything
can be taken and bastardized in a commercial setting. But
there's a lot of people who say that Santa Claus
himself comes from Odin and that the flying reindeer and
the red and white suit is very is you know,
it harkens back to red and white magic mushrooms that
if you take it, you hallucinate. Maybe that's how the
reindeer fly. So again there is more of that going
back to the Yule with the reindeer and everything else.
So with the meshing of all that together, from the
historical figure that is Saint Nicholas to the red and
the white and the reindeer, how do you address that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: So there are way later russo finish, you know, like
there are like Russian myths of like guys out in
the woods who are a.
Speaker 3: Father Frost or something like that. He even has a name.
Speaker 7: I don't remember his name, but that really has nothing
to do with the actual origins of.
Speaker 3: Saint Nicholas. So this is Saint Nicholas.
Speaker 7: He's this is an actual guy in the Orthodox Church.
Speaker 3: He was at the council that I see.
Speaker 7: In fact, he's famously the bishop who slapped Areas in
the face in the midst of the Council of I see,
it's a famous story. You can actually go and read
about Saint Nicholas in terms of his history. We one
year ago went to his shrine, So I've actually been
to Saint Nicholas's shrine. Not that that necessarily proves anything,
but it proves that it's really nothing to do with
the Amanida Muscara mushroom father, you know know, Father Toadstool,
or whatever the myths of the Pagans are. They might
have over time had a kind of a syncretized blending
of the stories of Hey, you know, what we believe
about Saint Nicholas is kind of related to what we
believe about, you know, Father Toadstool or whatever, the pagan mysteries.
But that's just a kind of a thing that happens
over time. It has nothing to do with whether or
not the actual Saint Nicholas is a you know, a
guy who existed or not, which he did. I mean,
I go to Saint Nicholas Orthodox Church, so we have
a very close connection to the actual Santa Claus. But
you're absolutely right that over time, I think Coca Cola
played a huge role in taking that imagery of I
mean you'll notice, like the original Saint Nicholas, he kind
of you know, he's got red garments and he's got
his vestiments on, so you could kind of see how
this might turn into you.
Speaker 3: Know, Santa Claus.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I think American corporations play a huge role
in that and sort of corporatizing it and divorcing from anything.
Speaker 3: To do with Christian tradition.
Speaker 7: But of course that doesn't mean that all the legends
around this this saint are true, or that there or
that there weren't much later syncretized blended myths about the
two the pagan and the Christian figure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I can totally see anybody who spends
any time on the Internet should be able to understand
how when you just you leave an idea to any
kind of culture or subculture, what what happens to it
over time? I mean, just look at the the timeline
of development for the wojack and any other meme, any
kind of any genre, subgenre of memes out there. I
mean there there are fifteen fifteen year storylines now as
to how we got to these levels of memes and
what it's all micro references, it's become religious.
Speaker 3: Exactly that's a good knowledgy.
Speaker 1: Yeah but yeah, but okay, so what we're talking about
here is mostly all just in Europe. When you get
into the Bill Mahers the Stephen Fries, we get a
lot of taking from everywhere around the world, Egypt with
Horace and Osiris, even though the one thing I will
say is that when it comes to December twenty fifth,
the only place that I personally, with what little research
I've done, have been able to find a direct match
with is Sole and Victus. And of course we know
that the timelines show that that was moved to compete
with Christianity and not to.
Speaker 2: Knock the other way around to you know, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: So what with Mithras, I don't see I really don't
even see anything that's mixed on where you know that's
December twenty fifth.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that anywhere Egypt.
Speaker 7: Well, I think, yeah, so there's nothing to do with
December twenty fifth with that. But what what the overlaps
with Mythras are the importance of blood sacrifice. You get
a baptism of blood in the Mithra cult.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of virgin there's a lot of virgin births.
Speaker 3: There's no but I mean there was like all this.
Speaker 7: This is the thing is that like almost all ancient
religions in some way utilize a lot of these kind
of archetypal ideas, the virgin right, the death resurrection ritual.
That's like literally every religion. So it's a it's again,
it's a fallacy, like a literal fallacy to think that
because there's similarities that therefore they have.
Speaker 3: A common origin. Right, they may.
Speaker 7: But just because they bear similarities or there's some overlap, again,
it's a non secutor. Doesn't follow from that that therefore
Christianity is taking from the Pagans.
Speaker 3: It's just a it's a fallacy.
Speaker 7: You actually have to demonstrate it because you could literally
argue in any The reason it's a fallacy is that
it could go anyway.
Speaker 3: You go either way, Well, how do you know that
it's not the Pagan's borrowing from the Christian tradition?
Speaker 7: Right, So it'd be like saying that the great analogy
people make is like, well, you know, let's say I
create a company and it looks very similar in terms
of its you know, symbology to the Apple logo, and
I call it bitten Apple, Right, and then five thousand
years from now, archaeologists look back and they say, oh, look,
you know, here's this guy.
Speaker 3: He's got a company. It's called bitten Apple.
Speaker 7: And then we get this other company called Apple, and
they're around the same time. So Apple must have borrowed
from bitten Apple, right, I mean that would be false
because you know, you're just sort of making you're doing
guess work thousands of years later about which one came first.
And just because something that came first, it also doesn't
necessarily mean that the thing that came later necessarily borrowed
from it. It could, but not necessarily. It might have
arisen with its own tradition irrespective or independent from this
other thing that had similarities. So all of the ancient
religions have all of them have certain things that are similar,
but it doesn't follow from that that they have the
same origin or that they're the same religion.
Speaker 3: It's just a fallacy.
Speaker 7: Let me give you some examples of a couple of
things where there's a great article written by a scholar
actually in a non Christian book.
Speaker 3: So there's a book called the and this.
Speaker 7: Is Everybody Loves Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell. They think
it's also mystical. Indeed, Well, here's a book called the
Mysteries that's written that's addited by Joseph Campbell and includes
a bunch of Carl Young stuff, and there's a great.
Speaker 3: Essay in this.
Speaker 7: I didn't expect it to be what it was. It's
called The Christian Mysteries and the Pagan Mysteries by a
guy named Hugo Ronner, who's a scholar from about fifty
years ago. And the whole essay is just going through
all the ancient mystery religions and comparing and contrasting to
the Christian religion in the early Church in the first,
second or third century.
Speaker 3: And what he notes is that.
Speaker 7: The Christian mysteries, or what we call the sacrament so
Paul talks about the revelation of the mysteries in christ
is that there's a clear difference. The difference has summed
up in three main points. He argues Christianity is a
mystery of revelation, meaning that the mysteries become clear, they
are revealed to us. They do not remain inscrutable unknown mysteries. Secondly,
Christianity is mainly concerned with ethical living and concerns the
Mystery religions were not concerned with ethics. They weren't concerned
with the tank commandments. Were you a virtuous person or whatever.
It's all sacrificed ritual to control the gods. Right, And
Christianity is a mystery of salvation by grace and not
by all of these crazy rituals and rites and whatever.
And also Christianity is pro history. The Mystery religions are
unanimously anti history. You're flying from history and time to
get into the realm of the gods, the ancient golden times, whatever,
the prime evil, the one, the transcendent mystery realm. You're
trying to get away from time and space in the
Mystery religions, and Jesus came into time and space to
sanctify time and space because we're resurrected in bodies. The
Mystery religions don't teach resurrection of the body.
Speaker 3: Egypt is of course a unique outlier in that.
Speaker 7: But you could argue that Egyptian monotheism and resurrection might
have been influenced by Joseph's presence or Moses's presence in.
Speaker 3: Egypt if you read the Book of Genesis.
Speaker 7: So we don't know in a lot of these ancient
historical cases how it went down.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of.
Speaker 7: Guesswork that goes into ancient history. There's far more that
we don't know than we do know. So when people
try to make these sort of outlandist dogmatic claims, oh well,
we know that Judaism and Christianity borrowed from all these
pagan religions. If you focus on and look at the
contrast the difference between the religion in the in the
Mosaic Law and the Pentateuch, the difference in the Revelation
in the New Testament in Christ versus the religions around
the surrounding cultures, there's far more of a contrast and
difference and fundamental theology then there is superficial similarity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think that's really when when
when you bring it up that way, I think that's why.
It brings me back to the question not very dissimilar
to the one that you, me and Tim Gordon discussed
the last time we were all on together, that question being
why Christianity. If there are there are similarities, if there
are synchronicities, that there are these things there, but if
a person had no faith to speak of but they
were curious, and they're actively searching, and they want they
want to figure something out for themselves.
Speaker 2: What about the story of Christmas?
Speaker 1: Do you believe sets it apart from everything that came
before or after it? Because faith is at the center
of the matter, no matter what. But this is also
why we were talking about the importance of the validity.
I think a lot of people put a lot of
a lot of energy into the validity of relics and
miracles and all that stuff because they I think everybody
would wish that they can just have a road to
Damascus moment and get struck by something that they they saw,
something they can't unsee that. You know, sometimes the philosophy
of everything, research, the thinking, all that stuff can just
break your mind because you're talking about things that are
mainly metaphysical and beyond our understanding. So that's why when
I brought up relics and miracles, why there might be
so important to most people is because it provides maybe
some sort of empirical data to support the faith. Do
you fall what do you find is could be a
really great source of empirical data to say one hundred
percent this is the truth?
Speaker 2: Uh, well, I.
Speaker 7: Mean as a as an Orthodox person, I mean and
a person who's in the philosophy. I don't know that
there is a strong empirical thing that I could point to,
because anything in the empirical realm is going to be
subject to interpretation, and you're going to interpret your empirical
data according to the worldview of the paradigm that you have.
So I would say the strongest evidence would be you
just have to go to an Orthodox Divine liturgy and
begin to experience it for yourself. That's the only empirical
experience that I could recommend. The most Orthodox churches, if
you want to check out a relic or what like,
they're filled, They're filled with relics and they're filled with icons.
So go check out an Orthodox liturgy, especially during Christmas.
But again, like I was thinking of things that contrast
the mystery religions to the revelation of Christianity. The mystery
religions are clouded. History is cyclical and not beginning middle end.
There's usually a goddess and an escurt who's an es
court to the male God. There's no escort goddess in Christianity.
The mystery religions almost always utilized drugs, some kind of
allucinogenic drug. That's in the Cambridge Companion, the history of
Eleusinian mysteries that utilize hallucinogens to have the revelation of
the true whatever the anyway, and the mystery is always
you are God, right, the mystery religions, the ancient that
the ultimate secret. Literally, if you read the Cambridge Companion
like it says across the board, like all these ancient
the mystery religions are basically just telling you at the
end of the process and of the initiatory process, oh,
by the way, you're God.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 7: So it's just like I mean, every self help guru
would tell you the same thing. The mystery religions are
anti history, and so I think that you know, Christianity
is not a cloudy religion. Orthodox Ritianity doesn't teach a
cyclical view of history. There's no goddess. You're not going
to get a shortcut to elimination through drug use.
Speaker 3: There's no hatred of history.
Speaker 7: And rather than saying you are God, and the Orthodox
Christian idea of theosis, you become God through grace, through
participating in the divine energy.
Speaker 3: So it's become a son of God. Through grace.
Speaker 7: You don't become God himself, but you do become deified.
So I would say that's a big Those are all
very big contrasts to the ancient mystery religions, and empirically,
I would just say, you'd have to go check it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess the closest I've ever gotten to
anything like that is really an analyzing the opposition to
all this stuff, because I respect anybody's skepticism. I know
when somebody is, hey, I still come upon questions that
crop up for me along the way, and yeah, yeah,
and I and I really, especially if somebody approaches a
dialectic or anything like that in good faith, I think
it's great because it's you just it's it's a growing experience.
But I guess it's just it's just enough for a
lot of people out there to point out that throughout history,
human being apparently just saying, oh, human beings have worshiped
a vast array of gods over the course of history
is enough to just take everything down.
Speaker 2: And as in these you.
Speaker 1: Know, on these HBO specials and stuff, and that in
itself is their gotcha question or their gotcha statement, because
Ultimately they believe that every as tech deity was bullshit
as well, especially when we're talking about like new atheism.
But there is a certain reverence still that they have
for for example, Native American Religon, just because all this
stuff creates a an environment of plurality, and plurality is
the primary weapon that is used to undercut Christianity in particular.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's the thing.
Speaker 1: The first thing I started noticing time and time again
before I ever even consider going back to church regularly,
is that even in these very Kumbayah ways of introducing
and really plugging the idea of plurality, it's all about
putting a barb in the side of Christianity. And because
that seems to be in the cross hairs of every
major power out there right.
Speaker 7: Well, again, the basics of Christianity are, you're going to
have objective morals, tenk commandments. A man has dignity because
he's mandamaged of God. So you can't kill you know,
will you know? The it limits the state. The state
can't say it's God.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: It teaches people to live in sobriety, with self control.
It doesn't say the world is evil. You don't have
to flee from the world. You just have to live
according to you know, the Covenant, so to speak. So
I think those are all net positives. Are kind of
obviously good for mankind, and they're not good for you know,
the control system of this world. So they have to
try to subvert it, try to control it, to try
to destroy it. You know, the devil's been trying to
do that for two thousand plus years, to destroy the
church still here. I think it's the Orthodox Church. I't
think it's Romancalic Church. I think the Roman Galicy Church
is obviously evil. But yeah, I think there's all kinds
of historical testimonies and evidences you could look at like that,
you know, the fulfilled prophecies and messianic prophecies about Christ himself,
of which there are dozens and dozens and dozens throughout
the Old Testament, if not just five or ten like
Protestants think, there's dozens all over the place, probably one
hundred plus. So you know, there's a lot of different
evidences that one could look at. But I think you're
right to say that, you know, the new atheism and
all of that. I actually think there's that's a that's
a promoted by the establishment as well. I don't think
that's any kind of real, uh counter establishment movement. And
then if you look at the argumentation that they give,
it's actually not a very good argument to say that, well,
all these uh you know, humans have always worshiped various deities,
therefore this other one is the one that you worship
is also false. Well that isn't the fact that people
did this doesn't actually tell me whether it's true or false.
Speaker 3: So that's actually a fallacy.
Speaker 7: So uh, I mean, because people did things in the past,
even if they're right or wrong, that doesn't tell me
that the people that are doing it today are necessarily
true that it's wrong or right. So again, there's all
these logical leaps. And what's amazing to me is that somebody,
the new atheists, like they're not even proficient and basic
logical fallacies.
Speaker 1: No, you're you're right on that. And of course this
is your this is your forte. I mean, you spend
most of your time seeking out debates, and I've watched
many of them, and uh, you know, it's it's one
of those things where I take a look at it
and I can really respect to you know, intellectual giants,
one that is just you know, a theist and one
that is an atheist, just going at each other, and
I want to see whose position is winning out logically.
But to your point, new atheism is really built on
this comedy central format of delivering information. It's largely based
and built upon a set of sneering inside jokes.
Speaker 2: It's not a lot of thinking.
Speaker 1: And I'm you know, I'm totally comfortable with people being skeptical,
but this is just, uh, you can just tell if
you watched any episode of John Oliver, you know exactly
what you're going to deal with when you are talking
to an atheist these days about this subject. So anyway,
that's Jay. It's been a wonderful time with you tonight.
Is there anything you want to leave us with, any
new appearances you got coming up, what you got going
on for the rest of the holiday, or if there's
any really important pieces of information about this subject you
didn't want to leave on the table.
Speaker 3: I think we had most of the highlights.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I've got a lot of debates with
academic atheists and people like you know, doctor Malpass or
Matt Dilla, Hunty, Stefan Malin, you have debated all those
kind of academic minded atheists, and people want to go
check out those old debates. But no, I think we
kind of hit all the main points I was thinking of.
Thank you for having me. It's always great to come on.
I love the conversations. We have so many good book
reviews that we've done over the years. But yeah, I
would say I'm going to be covering some more of
the espionage topic. I've been covering this really excellent history
of on my channel, the spies of the British Empire
who were sent out to find gold I'm excuse me,
to find oil black gold, and that really helps under
explain like the setup of the modern Middle East, how
we got to where we are in the modern Middle
East through these famous spies of the British Empire. So
we're run out over my channel as well as all
the open forums and that kind of stuff. And uh uh,
maybe maybe shifting over into doing a lot more comedy.
Speaker 3: So I might be doing a show with h with.
Speaker 7: Sam Hyde, so nice, but that happens, then, uh, you know,
we'll be shifting into probably doing a lot more comedy
than we have been.
Speaker 3: So less debates and more comedy if that if that
comes about.
Speaker 1: Well, that'd be great man. You know, it's always good
to move things around. And if you if that ever
brings you money chance into the New York tri state area,
you got.
Speaker 2: To come visit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be up there that way.
Speaker 2: You got it too. You got to visit the studio absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3: I'd love to man, love to hang out, all.
Speaker 1: Right, brother, have a great night, Merry Christmas. If we
don't speak, and I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And by the way, if people want a good, wacky
Christmas gift, you can always get my books.
Speaker 3: That's the trek.
Speaker 7: Holly Wood wanted to sign copies that Jason Allis is
in the shop and Alex won his judgment, so I
should be continuing to do this hopefully, uh for the
foreseeable future, I guess. And then I'm working on so
Tury call you with three so that book will be
out pretty soon too.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the fourth hour on Info Wars on Fridays, right, yeah, okay,
the good So you can listen to Jay there on
the fourth hour on Fridays on Info Wars wherever you
listen to it. I usually bounce in on those those
slots on the talkstream map and all that. I like
the audio streams, but it's great to hear from you.
I hope I have Jasonalysis dot com. As in the
description of the episode, I hope people go buy some
books and enjoy the rest of your work.
Speaker 2: Thanks my man.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks Rany, take care.
Speaker 2: All right, there he goes. It's eight oh seven pm.
Speaker 1: Let's take a really quick break when we come back,
gonna do your calls. We're gonna bring that maybe until
about the bottom of the hour. It's only about twenty
three minutes from now, and then we'll just we're going
to go right into the the UFOs. We're going to
go right into the UFOs. And today we actually they
dropped the term mothership. Drop the term mothership. Of course,
it's an iranium mothership. It's not like a blue wavian.
You know, we're not talking about uh, not talking about
anything too crazy. I don't even know how the Uranians
could stay up. I don't get it. I don't get it.
When I think ever, I think about the Iranian Navy,
I think about like hot shots part do you or
something like that, just like little little river boats. Maybe
I'm wrong, Probably probably am, but we'll be right back.
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thank you.
Speaker 2: Welcome to intermission.
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don't dare you?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the quite Frankly Cafe. I hope you're
enjoying yourself. Coffee is on, the coffee is hot, all right,
so it's always great when Jay stops by. We're going
to open up the lines now nine four two hundred
two sixty nine.
Speaker 2: Whatever you want to bring to the table, go ahead,
go ahead.
Speaker 1: It would be wonderful to hear from you, Soose two
says a great guest tonight, Frank, thank you and shout
out to all the Franklis and Franciscans. I hope to
get really Christmasy next week. I really do.
Speaker 2: Well, we have to. It's a last week.
Speaker 1: Last week, and then that next Monday, the twenty third,
I'll have my parents in here. We'll have a little
bit of a family stream, and then it's you know
that Christmas Week gets broken up pretty good by the holiday.
But and then after that it's the New Year's Eve disruption.
Our first show back on the air, I think it's
going to be Wednesday or Thursday. I think Thursday. The
second you know who we got called into the show
right now. It is a good friend of mine. I'd
spoke about him last night. Actually it's Wayne Smoldridge.
Speaker 5: How are you Wayne, I'm done, I'm calling you back now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to hear from you.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I shouted you out the other
night and people don't don't believe because you're you're active
in the chat room you've been called in for years.
Speaker 2: Will you celebrated to your ninetieth birthday this year?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Wayne?
Speaker 5: Yes, but actually I'm not ninety What.
Speaker 3: Are you.
Speaker 5: Fours?
Speaker 2: Ah see, you're almost ninety one?
Speaker 5: My gosh, yeah, yeah, my birthday. You show to yours?
Speaker 2: What do you in March?
Speaker 5: Well, late March, March thirtieth, March thirtieth.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, only a couple of days, you know, Wayne,
you know what this means, right? This means if you're
in March, you're gonna be ninety one. This means that
next Christmas is almost going to be You're at You're
almost at the nat King Cole cut off the Christmas song. Hey,
you know, you get you get wish to merry Christmas,
whether you're one to ninety two. Once you get past, right,
you don't you get, you don't get anywhere.
Speaker 5: Whether it drops off after that.
Speaker 1: Then you don't get any more special treatment after ninety two.
Speaker 2: Wayne, just let you know, well.
Speaker 5: Well that's where it goes, That's where it goes. But anyway,
I also I want to let you I got got
three books for book club, and that's how I'm lined
up for that, you know. I like that. So saying
that I'm not sure that the video things, but oh.
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know what, the film club is going
to be something else. I think I think it'll actually
be a lot easier to do because obviously, with film Club,
it'll just be all right, everybody watch this movie and
we're going to get together on this night, maybe the
last Monday of a film club month, so everybody has
about three weeks to What I would really love is
to be able to get everybody together for a group viewing,
but that's not that's not gonna be feasible.
Speaker 5: So I just think that's not possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm glad you're gonna be with us for
for book Club, we're starting off with Fhrenheit four or
five one, of course, that's right.
Speaker 5: You know. When I when I contacted Amazon, I said
Fahrenheit five nine one. They corrected it for me. But
I got the book. I got all three. I got
all three books, you know, The Big Fisherman and Tom.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's great, that's great.
Speaker 1: I can't I can't wait to read Tom Sawyer because
that's just one of those things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you sort of know, but you don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Yeah, there are certain works of art,
whether it be written or visual or something like that,
or movie that just get bigger than itself. They become
just they become so culturally important that you get all
the references even if you didn't even read or watch it.
And that's that's I want to get all that that
Mark Twain stuff out of the way.
Speaker 5: And I, yeah, that'd be most Queen's very good. I
always liked him, but I never really read these books
read honestly.
Speaker 2: There you go, we do that together.
Speaker 5: So anyway, well, I just want to let you know
that I'm calling in and I call him when I
had something pertinent to call about. But other than that,
you know, I'm just sort of a greeted on YouTube
chat room.
Speaker 1: So well, you do very well, Wayne, You're I hope
I can be as active as you are when I
am ninety and three quarter.
Speaker 5: Thanks for the call, and thank you. I appreciate talking
to you.
Speaker 2: All right, take care. All right, there you go. Such
a nice, nice man, such a southern gentleman. There you go.
Like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: I always like getting calls from him. We've getting calls
for a long time, all right. Jay Britz is great
discussion with Jay Dyer as always, Frank, thank you well,
thank you. Jay Simmos is a great guest. I can't
wait for the UFO discussion. Oh it's a discussion and
a half. What the hell is going on right now?
Cave Toad says, debunk the rebunk, Frank, keep it up.
Dawn says, Merry Christmas, Frank, much love to you and
your family. Thank you, Dawn. This is all on quite
frankly dot TV. And then Sean Joe with two cookies. Well,
without further ado, let's just jump right into it. Do
I have anything else I want to throw out there first?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: I mean there's plenty plenty that we talked about. So again,
you can comment on whatever you like. We haven't totally
moved on from that. Call in for comment if you'd like.
But here is what I wanted to get into now.
It's eight fifteen. Let's just jump into it. After this
call six zero eight, you're on the air.
Speaker 9: Go ahead, Hi, Frank, it's Jenny.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Jenny, good to hear from you doing well?
Speaker 9: Doing well?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 9: I just called because I wanted to tell you that
I watched the After Hours. It was the Star of Bethlehem. Yes,
you had that on Sunday.
Speaker 7: I think it was, yes, and.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be on again tonight, but I wanted to.
Speaker 9: Beg Yeah, it is fascinating, Frank, Yes it is. I
just loved it. It is just fascinating. Thank you for
showing that again.
Speaker 1: Well it's gonna be on, It's gonna be on a
little bit. Well, it'll be on the same time. I
think I started that. No, No, that one might have
gone on late night on Sunday after the feature.
Speaker 2: I think we did it. It's a Wonderful Life and
then that.
Speaker 1: But tonight when we end at nine, that's gonna start
at nine thirty, So even if you're watching it on
the East Coast, it'll be it'll be done by like
ten forty five or whatever. And it's just so fascinating
because not only do we have, for example, tonight with
Jay Dyer talking about the actual chronological how does that
nine months of time shake out over the course of
a year, as you know, as put together by what
we learned through the Gospel of Luke and everything, but
as you see in that, there is an astronomical element
to this that that actually proves, not only proves, but
explains why the things that were going on in the
sky at the time of Christ's birth was incredible. It
was impossible as far as timing goes, and it.
Speaker 9: Was just exactly exactly. And that's the thing. It's like,
some people believe that the Great Pyramid was built during
the Age of Leo, which would have been when the
constellation of Leo came up over the horizon. I believe
in the eastern sky, probably in the spring or what
a certain time of year and that. And so when
you look at the the Sphinx, I mean, I'm sorry,
when you look at the sphinx, its head looks very
small compared to its body. And my belief in that
is that some faraoh many many years later said, oh,
I think my face would look nice up there. Let's
carve that thing down. I think it was a lion.
Speaker 2: A lot of.
Speaker 1: People think that, and I a lot of people I've
heard that, and it's very compelling stuff because you're like,
you're right, you're right. It seems like disproportionate. There should
have been something much bigger there, and perhaps it was.
Speaker 9: Well, I've always known that, you know, I think I
think the stars and the sky and God, it's all
it's all really important. But thank you so much for
playing that, and I'll watch it again. It was absolutely
fascinating show.
Speaker 1: Well, well, thank you, Jenny, and I'll be watching it
tonight as well because I get a kick out of that,
and like I said, it just adds the improbability level
of all that. It just makes you wonder whose hands
at work here? Thanks again for the call tonight nine thirty.
The first thirty minutes is actually really really interesting as well.
So there you have it. All right, let's jump into this. Now,
this was yesterday, Tracy put this up? Who the hell
is this? Drones are sophisticated. Wait, let me click through
to see where this is from. All right, here, listen
to this guy in Morris County twenty.
Speaker 7: I don't know how many mayors sent a letter to
you this morning, ask it for a clarification.
Speaker 3: What can you tell us? What is going on?
Speaker 7: And why is it ticket so long to come up
with an ext one nation?
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a good I don't blame people for being frustrated.
Let me say, most importantly right up front, we see
no evidence and I say this includes Homeland Security, FBI,
Secret Service, our state police authorities at all levels of government.
The most important point to say is we don't see
any concern for public safety.
Speaker 1: See here's the thing to keep saying that, and we
know that they'll lie to us about anything. These are
just very basic talking points about things in the sky.
But the New Jersey aspect of this story has really
only become very popular in the last couple of weeks.
Prior to that, we were getting these these headlines about
swarming unidentified aerial you know, vehicles, not necessarily anything that
was you know, seemed to be anti gravitic, but they
were just swarming drone like but they were in fleets,
and they were over very highly restricted airspaces, and over
the course of that time, you know, you'd have the
Pentagon or Langley or all these places making statements about
it that they're there and we're trying to figure out
what they are, figure out what they are. If you
and I flew anything over that airspace, that would be
shot down. So the fact that the most defended airspaces
and on the East Coast.
Speaker 2: Are kind of like, go, what's going on.
Speaker 1: And nobody has any answers right off the bat, My
bullshit meteor is going off?
Speaker 2: What is this all?
Speaker 1: About and they keep saying that is they pose no threat.
But they're sophisticated, and as Tracy said, top officials are
meeting all day long. They have nothing to offer the public.
How do you know that they're no threat? How do
you even know that? This morning, Douglas McGregor tweeted this out.
Congressman tells Fox News a credible source at review that
the New Jersey drones were launched from an eastern from
the Eastern seaboard and are from China and Iran.
Speaker 2: China and Iran. You want to hear that. This is
Jeff Van Drew.
Speaker 1: He claims that Iran has stationed a so called mothership
off of the US East Coast, reportedly launching drones now
flying over New Jersey.
Speaker 11: In focus now, Republican Congressman Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey,
member of the House Judiciary Committee on the Hill. Right now,
how do you address this at this point?
Speaker 3: Well, here's the real deal, Harris.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm also on the Transportation Committee, on the
Aviation Subcommittee, and I've gotten to know people and from
very high sources, very qualified sources, very responsible sources. I'm
going to tell you.
Speaker 3: The real deal.
Speaker 8: Iran launched a mothership probably about a month month ago
that contains these drones. That mothership is off I'm gonna
tell you the deal. It's off the east coast of
the United States of America. They've launched thrones. Is everything
that we can see or hear. And again, these are
from high sources. I don't say this lightly.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 8: You know, we know there was a probability it could
have been our own government. We know it's not our
own government because they would have let us know it
could have been.
Speaker 2: Did you hear that now? When I heard that line.
Speaker 1: When I heard that line, I said, okay, all, I've
never heard of New Jersey Congressman Jeff van Drew before,
but he is either mentally handicapped or he's part of
the operation. It's we know it's not our own government
because if they were part of this, they would have.
Speaker 2: Told us what a dummy, what an absolute dummy.
Speaker 8: There's some really glorified hobbyist or hobbyists that we're doing
something unbeliev They don't have the technology, but let's pretend
that's possible. The third possibility with somebody, an adversarial country
doing this. You know that Iran made a deal with
China to purchase drones, motherships, and technology in order to
go forward. The sources I have are good. They can't
reveal who they are because they are speaking to me
in confidentiality. These drones should be shot down, whether it
was some crazy hobbyist that we can't imagine, or whether
it is Iran, and I think it very possibly could be.
Speaker 2: They should be shot down.
Speaker 1: Now here's my question to you. I was thinking about
this a long time ago. Why don't we shoot them down?
Why don't we shoot them down? Then I start realizing
why you can't shoot them down? I was thinking about
this all last week. You give everybody special permission to
go out there and hunt turkey and deer when the
population gets too much, and they might rus start right
out onto parkways and highways around here in the Northeast.
But then again, you know, there's a big difference between
giving a few people temporary seasonal bow and arrow licenses
to go hunt along the side of a highway and
letting anybody say, hey, you know, put you know, load
some slugs into that shotgun of yours, and you can
shoot down anything that's over your house, because you know
what will happen. You know what will happen. First of all,
you don't want property, damn. Even if this thing is
a foreign presence in the sky, you're talking about things falling,
property damage, people getting killed, hitting the head people start.
Then you know, people will just be shooting television, news, helicopters,
planes in descent. It would be nuts. It would be
nuts when you think about it. But then I also
wondered what happens if people start taking shots at these
things and they literally realize, they realize that they cannot
bring them down, that nothing's happening, that they're hitting them
but nothing's happening.
Speaker 2: That would be interesting too write.
Speaker 1: But again, what they are, they're clustered around, it's complete,
it's so public.
Speaker 2: They're in they've got more lights than an airplane. There
is no real attempt here at being stealthy.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, and so you would think that after a
while you'll get you would get some state law enforcement
officer coming out and saying, we heard about this over
the last week, we looked into it, we found the source.
Speaker 2: You know, people are being investigated and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Or telling us what the hell it was, the fact
that every couple of days, we have a higher and
higher authority coming out to affirm that nobody knows what's
going on. We're trying to figure this out. And then
we have this jockeying back and forth. This guy from California,
from New Jersey says that there is a mothership of
Iranian origin that is hanging out off the coast. Well,
our coast guard doesn't see this. The Carnifold cruise ships
don't see this. I mean, what are you talking about?
How advance is the Iranian Navy? I mean, I know
that they have taken quite a bit of quite a
bit of didn't they seize like a couple of gunboats.
Speaker 2: Of ours a while ago?
Speaker 1: Wasn't it wasn't that the Iranians that made our our
our navy officers cry on like one of those ransom videos.
It was pathetic during the Obama administration. I mean, God
knows what they do have. They have something of value,
It definitely came from us. But then we have this
so that that that Jeff guy, the congressman from New
Jersey says one thing about the mothership, and then the
Pentagon comes out by.
Speaker 2: Way of zero heads.
Speaker 1: We have this one Pentagon denies Congress's claim of an
Iranian mothership launching drones off.
Speaker 2: The US coast. So who are we supposed to believe.
Speaker 1: This guy on television who had I don't know, he
really might have been just naive. Do you really think
he's part of some grand operation. I never heard of
him before. He might just be naive, gullible, a little
bit stupid to think that the United States government would
tell us if they were doing something weird. But maybe
he is naive because maybe in that state, he was
telling the truth that he heard from a good source
that there is a mothership. Perhaps it's not Iranian, but
maybe there is an offshore mothership. Perhaps these things are
coming out of the water. Maybe we're talking, you know,
I've heard all the theories about perhaps you know, these
things are posing as traditional drone unmanned objects that are
propelled by I don't know, six hour I guess that
you'd have to be up in the air for a
long time.
Speaker 2: How good is the batteries?
Speaker 1: Then again, you're talking about vehicles that are the size
of volkswagons, So it's got to be something, and you know,
anything that we could buy. Somebody has much better locked
up in some bunker somewhere. But perhaps it is far
advanced technology that is masking itself as something a little
bit more primitive by putting off some kind of you know,
audible hum or buzz that would be easily identified by
someone like you and me as you know, blades of
a propeller. And maybe it's just a trick. Maybe it's
just a way to cloak itself. Meanwhile, this thing could
probably dip into the ocean and just hide out there.
I don't know, but they want to be seen. It's
there for a reason. And now we're playing games with
the higher authorities in the country, not just in New Jersey.
There's not any truth to that, Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary
Sabrina Singh told reporters on Wednesday afternoon hours at the
Republican Congressman Jefferson Van Drew of New Jersey claimed on
Fox News that Iranian drones were flying over New Jersey skies.
There's no Iranian ship. Here's what she said, Jen.
Speaker 12: Sabrina, can you tell me what the Pentagon is doing
to address this issue of drone sightings over New Jersey.
It's near sensitive installations, the FBI is involved, What is
the Pentagon.
Speaker 13: Doing sure, so at this time so aware of those
drone sightings that have been reported. At this time, we
have no evidence that these activities are coming from a
foreign entity or the work of an adversary. We're going
to continue to monitor what is happening. But you know,
at no point where our installations threatened when this activity
was occurring.
Speaker 12: Can you rule out that these are American drones? We're
with military drones.
Speaker 13: These are not US military drones. Again, this is being
investigated by local law enforcement. What our initial assessment.
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, but I'm sure that the Yeah, local law
enforcement are investigating these things, even though why why hasn't
one been followed back to its point of origin? You
why after a couple of days of what the hell
are these things and who they belong to? They're flying
over my house at night? I mean, at the very least,
it's violating sound ordinance. No, New Jersey doesn't have sound
ordinances for late night and all that shit, especially if
you're not living next to an airfield. Especially if you
are living next to an airfield.
Speaker 2: We do.
Speaker 1: We're a couple of miles away from Westchester County Airport,
so there are you know, every once in a while
there'll be a late night plane coming in a red
eye or something, but for the most part, it is
very very low traffic at night because they don't want
to keep people awake. You would think after a couple
of days of no answers, the most the easiest thing
you can do is to attach one of your own
drones or a police helicopter to following this thing around
until you find out where it went. What the hell
are we talking about here? Follow the thing home, follow
it home. This is all bullshit. She also claims they're
not US military drones and they're trying to figure it
out and all that. Yeah, well that, like I said before,
that was a local issue. But when it was flying over,
I don't know if it was the Pentagon or if
it was CIA.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. War Clandestine says.
Speaker 1: If it's not Iran, a foreign entity, or US military,
that would leave intelligence community, private entity or civilian and extraterrestrial.
If it was private entity or civilian, they would have
been taken to task quick quick, because I'll tell you
one thing. If I had a radio transmitter and I
wanted to open up myself a nice little pirate radio station,
over here this week, I would go live for a
couple of hours before somebody is knocking on my door,
where they would have tracked me down to figure out
where I was transmitting, what was going on, and who
I was interfering with. That would have been that quickly, quickly.
If I opened up a legitimate pirate radio stream over here,
I would have been taken care of. No way, no way.
So that's from the Pentagon. Now we'll take a couple
of calls in just a second. But first I wanted
to I want to show you what we we threw Grock. Okay,
Mike from Maryland threw this to Grox at Hi Grox.
Check out this main news story and it's about Jeff
Van Drew of New Jersey the mysterious drones.
Speaker 2: Take listen to this.
Speaker 1: Congressman's claims, speaking on Fox News, suggested that the drones
might be Iranian and could be potentially from a mothership
launched about a month ago.
Speaker 2: He emphasized, and what does that mean? Mothership?
Speaker 1: Does that mean an actual seafaring ship that these things
are going back to landing, getting recharged, getting resupplied, and
then going out and conducting their missions completely uninhibited. That
they're going back out to a seafaring ship, or is
there a floating ship in the sky that has been
there for a couple of weeks that nobody has seen,
even in broad daylight. What the hell does that mean?
He emphasized the need for these drones to be shot
down due to potential threat that they pose. Pentagon's response said, no,
there's no evidence of an Iranian ship off the coast
of US or any foreign entity launching drones toward the US.
Context and speculation, the drone signings have led to various
speculations regarding their origins, including possible links to foreign surveillance
or even extraterrestrial activity. Yeah, official investigations by agencies like
the FBI have not confirmed any such connections. The FBI
can't even figure out why somebody would shoot hundreds of
people in Las Vegas. They have no clue what was
driving the identity lists twenty something year old that tried
to take out Donald Trump when the Secret Service disappeared
in July and left a complete open lane for him.
Why would you think the FBI is going to produce anything? Seriously,
I heard Christopher Ray stepped out today. That's nice. We'll
see if Cash or Patel makes that agency worth a
shit for a couple of years before hopefully he's shuts
it down and sends that back to the States as well.
That would be wonderful that we have here additional theories.
And what's going on is then another thing that we
threw to groc additional theories classified military technologies. There's speculation
that these drones could be part of US military government project.
Some experts suggest that they might be testing advance, possibly
secretive drone technology, including swarm capabilities or surveillance equipment. This
theory is supported by the drones advanced behavior and the
fact that they've been spotted near sensitive military installations like
the Picatinny Arsenal.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of It kind of reminds
me of those Hunter Killers, the Hunter Killers from Terminator two.
You know, in the opening of Terminator two, when they're
in the future and they're fighting the robots and they
have those big drones that are coming over. Those are
unmanned craft looking over and those are the Hunter Killers
and I'm looking at those and you know, everybody right now,
think about if you go into the future and that
shit actually really becomes true. This is the moment where
people are looking up at those things and they're a
little bit unnerved. God knows where it could all go.
Non human intelligence. Some individuals on except suggested that drones
exhibit behavior more akin to unidentify to aerial phenomena or UFOs,
such as a silent propulsion and instant maneuvers. I didn't
hear any silent propulsion. I didn't see instant maneuvers. I've
been seeing floating over trees, floating, hovering.
Speaker 2: I don't listen.
Speaker 1: If I if we saw hard right angle turns at
high speeds, we're then we're in business. We're cooking with
gas at that point. I didn't see any of that.
For an adversary surveillance. That could be one commercial or
defense contractor testing. That's another thing.
Speaker 2: Again. If that's the case, it should be on the books.
Speaker 1: I know that there is limited government oversight, but there
are parts of the government who know exactly who is
working on what projects and whatever. So it's either we're
not being told and everybody's lying, which seems that way,
a psychological operation or a false flag GROC came up
with this. There's a small contingent that speculates that these
activities might be part of a psychological operation or leading
up to a false flag event designed to either test
public reaction or to justify future security measures or military actions.
This theory, however, lacks substantial evidence, and then radiation detection.
One rumor captured on X suggested that these drones might
be involved in searching for lost nuclear material just in
somebody's backyard in New Jersey, given their rumored capability to
detect radiation. This theory, however, remains unverified and speculative. So
it's really you know, it's interesting, but a lot of
these things are just being dragged from from the Internet
where everybody is trying to throw out theories because nothing
that is being made publicly available really makes sense at all.
Speaker 2: So that's where we are right now. Today. We got
news of a mother ship, and.
Speaker 1: Then as soon as a very confident, perhaps slightly naive
a member of Congress came out and made that that
that declaration to the world, the Pentagon reeled them back
and said, no, it's not true. Well where did he
hear that from? And what's happening? So real quick a break,
when we come back your calls. All topics are on
the table nine one four, two hundred two sixty nine.
See you in a second.
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Speaker 1: Okay, ladies and jams, Let's take some of your calls.
How the hell you feel in my friends, It's good
to have you here. Nine one four two sixty nine
seven zero two. You're on the air.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, give me something.
Speaker 15: Hey, Frank, this browntail. How you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Great to hear from you. What's on
your mind?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 15: Well, just went in on the drone thing. A couple
of things that come out. And before I was in
my para, like before I was a brown tail, I
was actually a one thirty pilot playing a lot of
combat missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and whatnot, and uh a
lot of times like the Predator drones and some of
those assets were in the area, so I've gotten a
chance to tangle in the airspace with those guys. And
one of the things that's striking me about what's going
on with this stuff. One the light is over, so
it's obviously it's it's man made. It's something here.
Speaker 1: Yes, And it's not only that browntail. The lighting is over,
it's it's it's bright. It's very very noticeable. It's also
these craft are allowed. They're buzzing, buzzing, buzzing there. Whatever
the hell is going on here, public attention is definitely
part of the.
Speaker 15: Operation, right, Yeah, And I think it might be a
sy out. But but here's the thing. It's they're as
big as they say they are. Then it's got to
be a state actor or like like a sheriff department
or law enforcement or you know where I'm going at ye.
In other words, it's not just you know, Frank and
Branto going out to radio check and you know, putting
one together and harass in South Jersey shore, you know. Yeah,
So it's got to be it's got to be either
a state agency or or something like that. The other
thing is, if it was pure military, uh, I would
I would imagine that they would be more they'd have
NBC compatible lights in other words, for covert lighting in
this compatible uh lighting that's that would be on the
aircraft that that you could you couldn't see it with
the naked eye, so you need you need to have
mbgs or something of that kind of nature in order
to see it.
Speaker 1: So so I would have to imagine that you're even
though you know as much as I do, unless you
know something else, you're not telling us that you're just
from your experience alone, you think that this is probably
state I.
Speaker 15: So here here's my conspiracy theory. I don't know if
you'd be open up to it, hopefully optimistic that maybe
the white Hats are doing it's it's drones and let's
unless you're going to hang a hell fire from a
drone and kills so with it. The only other function
that serves is like surveillance, so you're tracking someone or
you're collecting signals intelligence from an area, see you know
what I mean. And so this has been contra over
a week. So either they're tracking movement on someone or
a group, or they're trying to collect and this may
be part of the op to see what the public
at large is reaction is to the stuff, because God forbid,
if it's a foreign state actor, first question be going
would be going to the Pentagon and going, why is
our sovereign air spaulated by the freaking Iranians? That maybe
part of the all, all of a sudden, now you've got
a couple of Iranians in a fucking road, but part
of my French a couple of Iranians in a rowboat,
you know, launching these things off the Jersey shore. You
know that does bid well to the taxpayer?
Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And again I think I think that what
you lay out there just I think reinforces everything else
that most people are are thinking at this time, because
it's one thing to have for this to have been
a for this to have been a forty eight hour
to seventy two hour mystery. Everybody's trying to figure out
who the who the the pranksters are that are harassing
the quiet, sleepy countryside of New Jersey.
Speaker 2: But now here we.
Speaker 1: Are in two weeks and they have rolled out every
kind of spokesperson from every intelligence head that they can find,
and the ambiguity with which they speak is really something else?
Speaker 2: Thank you for the call, Browntail. That's something else. Is
this for real?
Speaker 1: Hold on, somebody just sent me something about the chick
that slept with one hundred men in one day porn
star so and so her name is Lily. Test positive
for chlamydia, gonorrhea, and HSV two after sleeping with one
hundred men in one day?
Speaker 2: Is this for real? Only?
Speaker 1: The only reason why I ask is because I'm surprised
that she only has three sexually transmitted diseases. But then again,
twenty guys probably had chlamydia and it's only going to
count once.
Speaker 2: God, this is sick. Oh, this is sick. The world
needs to heal. The rule.
Speaker 1: Really needs to heal. I was so scared. I was
so scared about STDs and shit when I was single.
I remember one of the first, one of the first,
I think, the one of the oldest conversations I remember
having with Rob. We were at the gym that we
both worked at, and I was nervous about a you know,
a yearly st D check years ago, and then I
told him I don't know, man.
Speaker 2: I just can't. I think I got AIDS.
Speaker 1: I have AIDS, and Rob like one of the first
conversations I remember having with Rob is him telling me how.
Speaker 2: Almost impossible it is.
Speaker 1: To get AIDS unless you are unless you've got like,
you know, open up, forget about it. He was just
calming me down, you don't have aids.
Speaker 2: Stop it. This woman lines up for a hundred people.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what the Hell's I ever worried about
the way that some people live. I mean, I wasn't
a saint, but the way that some people live, that's
just horrible.
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's take it to the call, shall we? Four
zero four eight zero. You're on the air. Go ahead? Hey,
Who's this is?
Speaker 19: Luke with from Arizona.
Speaker 2: Hey, Luke, how are you good? How are you doing well?
Doing well?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: What do you think about tonight?
Speaker 19: Tonight's awesome? Good night? Love to talk to Jay. The
drone thing, like has anyone in New Jersey ever from
the drone towards it?
Speaker 1: Oh see, you know that's that's the thing I have
not heard from anybody. And I'm waiting for somebody to
say and to bring up something as I don't know.
Speaker 2: Logical as that.
Speaker 1: As I said before, like this, when this got to
like seventy two hour territory, and now local and state
authorities are bringing are having their attention to be brought
to it by citizens constantly. You would think that they
would at least put a police copter in the air
to just do the rounds and follow this thing back
to wherever the hell it's going to go, or to
at least follow it until it runs out of batteries
and then recover it to try to get some data
out of it. You know, it's it's it's nonsensical, is
how this situation has been treated for the last.
Speaker 2: Couple of weeks.
Speaker 19: Yeah, for sure. It'd definitely be interesting to see what
would happen if someone got close to it with the drone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would be.
Speaker 1: It would be and and I would hope that somebody
would be ready to do that. And nothing yet, So
you're you're thinking on the right track. But apparently they
can't get their shit together out there in Jersey.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 19: I don't believe anything that the Pentagon's telling us. That's
all bull crap for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Pentagon seemed to be in like damage control.
Then again, it could also be just kabuki theater where
the guy they probably it's not out of the realm
of possibility for the guy from New Jersey to have
had that information planted with him from a reliable source.
He feels like he needs to go and tell the public.
And then the Pentagon who planted the initial information with
this guy can go out there and deny it and
create discord and confusion and mixed messages. And that's how
you control public perception as well, and you keep building
up the curate. It's almost like you know that the lottery.
The lottery goes past a billion dollars and suddenly everybody's
paying attention to it, you know.
Speaker 19: Yeah, anyway, Yeah, I just called to tell you rock
for years.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Luke, and I hope to hear from you
again soon. You all right, take care of there you go.
There's Luke in Arizona having a good night, having a
good night indeed. Okay, what else do I have over here?
Speaker 2: Oh? Here's a call Timothy Gordon. Were you listening tonight?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 20: I was. I was in and out.
Speaker 2: Oh nothing much, dude, but nothing much.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's usually we have a at least a little bit
of time to talk to each other every Christmas season,
So who knows what comes up? Over the next week
or so. But uh, I don't know. We only have
about eight minutes left over here. Do you have anything
that you wanted to add to tonight's converse? It was
a lot about a lot about, of course, the the
the rebunking of Christmas by going against all of the
popular debunks that pop up around this time, with the
overlays of paganism and everything else to try to diminish
the importance and significance of the holidays. So I don't
know what you usually like to bring up around this
time of year whenever that topic pops up, but I'd
love to hear your strongest points.
Speaker 20: Well, maybe we should do a show on some of
the Nativity symbols. But Jimmy Aikin has a great treatment
of December the twenty fifth and all of the scientific
evidence for December the twenty fifth, and why it's not
just a mythic recreation of old creation narratives or whatever.
It's a ridiculous story. There's a lot of strong evidence
even surrounding the shout of that demonstrates that it was
winter of this either. You know that they're that that
basically all of the Christian timeline is accurate for both
the birth and the death of Christ. And I guess
we don't. We don't have the time to get into
it all right now. But also I directed you, Frank,
because you'd asked to an article i'd written seven or
eight years ago about all of the you know, the
Shepherd's crook and the shepherds themselves and the Star itself,
some really really cool anagogical stuff.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 20: That's that's true, both historically and anagogically about the Christmas.
Uh iconography.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, let me ask you this. I might
have asked you before, but since we're going to be
airing it after the show concludes in a few minutes
on on the website, did you ever watch the Star
of Bethlehem documentary?
Speaker 20: No, I need to watch it was I was thinking
of getting it out and showing the family just because
you brought it up with me on the phone earlier.
But I need to have you.
Speaker 1: I did watch it. I watched it a couple of times,
maybe about two years ago. I didn't watch it last year,
but I remembered early enough this year to say we
have to have that in rotation for the for the show,
or in at least after hours, so tonight around nine
thirty Eastern time, so that'll be about you're in central
right about about eight thirty on my website is when
it's going to start.
Speaker 2: And if you've got any time, you get to peek
in on it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's, you know, from an astronomical standpoint, you
want to talk about the gears of the clock working
in perfect chorus to create a incredible turn of events
at just the right time. I mean, how the stars
are aligned to tell the very same story you're talking
about here. I mean, it's just like you know, the
universe is falling in line. It's an incredible story. You
should take a listen to it.
Speaker 20: Maybe I will. I've heard that and I know some
of the facts, and I think Jimmy Aiken with Catholic
Answers has done a good job telling some at least
part of the same story. So but I'd love to.
I'd love to take a look. And it's a great
service you do this time of the year, Frank, by
always covering this stuff as objectively as you can objectively,
it just ends up vindicating the Christian worldview.
Speaker 1: Well, it's always great to have people like you hanging
out with us whenever we whenever in need and as
well just in leisure time too.
Speaker 2: But I have it right here.
Speaker 1: You wrote it in twenty eighteen, the most overlooked Images
of the Nativity. Maybe you come on next week. I'll
talk to you after the show and we'll get that.
We'll get that ready to go.
Speaker 20: Awesome, man, Yeah, I just wanted to say, great, great
work with Jay. I do a Lord of the Rings
reading group, that same one that I started last Hoobbit day.
We're just finishing the trilogy. You were originally going to
be in on that. We were starting September the twenty
second of twenty three. We're just finishing, doing a chapter
a week, the complete trilogy. And I had that until
what would be eight year time, but then I put
on you and Jay finishing up. And it's good news
that Alex Jones won is Judgment and all.
Speaker 2: That looks good. You see. That's what I'm talking about, man.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the Hobbit and and the three
they did, the three books, and I was saying, you
know what those big trilogies, I just I don't know.
That's the fact that you're almost two years in and
you're just about to wrap it all up. I would
love doing that, but I feel like, how how many
people have dropped off over the course of over the
course of time, because that's my biggest fear doing a
big book or a part of a series, is that
people will just drop off like flies.
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, they did. It was probably probably sixty to
seventy percent attrition.
Speaker 2: Right damn.
Speaker 20: And we wound up with like six true blue Troopers
who saw it all the way through. I don't know
if you know the structure of the Lord of the
Rings trilogy, but every book of the three hardback books
is actually comprised by book you know, book one and
Book two, and scholarship book three and book four. She
tires book five and book six in Return of the King,
and I just said, because I wanted to be done
by Christmas, I said, all right, for book six, the
second half of Return to the King, we're going two
chapters a week, and we wouldn't even be finished by Christy.
It would be February March before he'd be finished if
we kept going at the one chapter a week pace.
Speaker 3: So, you know, at least I.
Speaker 2: Thought, I still think about that.
Speaker 1: First the first book club session, you and me doing
wind Swept House that was over six hundred pages, and
we were doing about sixty to sometimes.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I felt that. I think it
went like thirteen weeks.
Speaker 1: I think after that book, I started doing anywhere from
for a thicker book, anywhere from eighty to one hundred
pages a week, just because you know, oh it's crazy,
just because we wanted to get these things done within
a month so that we can read at least five
books a year. But so it always makes me wonder
how long the book is going to be Fahrenheit four
or five one. And I didn't realize how short it
was because when I bought it, it was it's a
thick book. But I realized that half of the book
was all extra material and interviews with Ray Bradberry and
everything else like that, It's going to be like a
forty page read in January.
Speaker 2: But I guess that's good to start a new year,
you know, something a little bit short.
Speaker 20: Yeah, but yeah, I was getting I kept getting behind
on wind Sweat. The Great Divorce was I think the
second one we did together in reading group, and that
was that was my page we were doing. We were
doing forty pages per week. I think with that, but.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe maybe you'll join and me and Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to co host obviously, I'll
just be doing it with Steven, Jonathan and UH in
March leading up to Easter. But we're doing the the
sequel to the Robe. We're doing The Big Fishermen now
in March. You should you should read the Robe real
quick and then you should get in on the Big
Fishermen Man.
Speaker 20: Okay, maybe maybe I'll do that.
Speaker 2: You love it, You would love it.
Speaker 1: The Robe was really sensational last year, and it was
so well timed. You should read along and actually read
along to the sessions that we archived on the show.
I'll send you the whole the whole series. That'll be good.
Speaker 20: Okay, you did that with That's a little book, isn't it.
Speaker 2: No, No, it was. It was over.
Speaker 1: It was over three hundred pages, I think, but it was.
It was so it was magical, dude, it really was awesome.
There's a there's quite a few people who had like
they're they were already on the path to reversion or conversion,
and that reading session was really sensational.
Speaker 2: I got to send it to you.
Speaker 20: Oh, with you and with you and Steven.
Speaker 14: Yeah, oh, that's.
Speaker 2: Dope, man.
Speaker 20: Yeah, maybe maybe I'll try to catch out and read
it with you guys in March, starting on what ash Wednesday.
Speaker 1: That well last year, last year, I remember the first
session was right before. It was crazy how it all
lined up because the first session.
Speaker 2: Ended. I don't know if you know.
Speaker 1: The the the plot. I gotta, I gotta wrap this
up now. But the plot is you have this Roman
centurion and you have his slave. He gets in trouble
in Rome, and he's kind of like punished by being
sent out to Palestine to be in the Holy Land
and looking out for one of these you know, these
kind of like dust bin garrisons out there, and he
happens to be in the Holy Land for the time
of the Crucifixion. In fact, he's actually charged with being
the one the executioners, and and it's it's an incredible
faith journey there for not only the slave, but the
centurion and the the the grappling over the road that
Jesus wore. But the first session that we had, the
reading ended on Demetrius the slaves observing of Jesus coming
into Jerusalem on the donkey, on on on Palm Sunday
and We read it the day after Palm Sunday and
it just felt so everything out of line for that book.
It was really awesome, and I think that you'll fly
through it because I know Stephen and his wife. His
wife jumped on for it too because she was so
curious and she finished the book before all of us.
Speaker 2: So I think you're gonna love it.
Speaker 20: Say say, yeah, she's a great lady. Yeah yeah, maybe
I'll do that.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 20: Well, I know you got to go, but let's do
the Hidden Symbols of the Civity next week sometime, and
always looking for a collab with you.
Speaker 3: Frank.
Speaker 1: All right, brother, I'll talk to you a little bit.
Have a great night. There you go, ladies and gentlemen.
Even a call from Timothy Gordon. All right, it's nine
o'clock on the dot. It's almost like I planned it
that way. So I'll see you guys at some point tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I'll go live.
Speaker 1: I should be able to get home at some point
and go live from Studio B at least just for
an hour and do some calls. There will be no
seven o'clock show though, because we're taking Aurora to Christmas Castle,
and hopefully I can be live from there around broadcast
time on my phone, but if there is not enough
service I will be taking a lot of footage again
that we can analyze with my family on December twenty third,
when we have that family broadcast. So no show tomorrow
and at least in the form that you know it,
and I'll see you on Friday night, seven o'clock right here,
no doubt about it. Let me see make sure that
nobody else has left any super chats. I didn't see,
Gino says always love when my two favorites get together.
Sorry I couldn't see it live. Love to you and
the family of Francis look forward to seeing this show tomorrow. Well,
I'm so happy and I can't wait to hear what
you think because I love doing tonight broadcast. It was fun,
Paul says, Hey, Frank regarding the drones mothership, it could
be a club k system in a cargo ship off
the coast. I remember Project Pelican, the Kenyan handed off
control of some of our ports to shady outfit. Thanks always,
Merry Christmas, Frankly, there's a theory. There's a theory, But
regardless of what kind of a cargo ship it is,
if it's seafaring or if it's something else, there's gotta
be a way to follow this thing back to it's
doc It's got to be something, all right. The Sentinel says.
The drone distraction has a purpose, just like the big
white balloons did last year, like there isn't enough other
problems to worry about Syria, Ukraine, Israel, et cetera. And
it gets the Daniel Penny win out of the headlines.
January twentieth, twenty twenty five can't come quick enough. I'm
with you on that one, Sentinel, and thank you all
so much for watching. I'll see you tomorrow at some point.
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