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out to the hot line. Welcome in former, b why
you get great? We got the past? Break up King
on the live below. Brian Logan is on the line below.
Speaker 3: How you living good man? Sounding like a villain? Hey
can you I'm I'm on speakerphone right now, so I
just want to make sure you can hear. Everything's crystal clear.
Speaker 2: If not, you sound no, No, you sound fantastic. Actually
you sound crystal clear, brother, perfect, per you.
Speaker 3: Just sound you always had. You always said I got
the deep, dark, sexy voice.
Speaker 4: So you do, man, you got you got that voice.
Speaker 2: That's why you're on You have you have TV talent
and have radio talent in you cause you look good.
Speaker 3: Thank thanks, Thanks dude. You know if I if I
I'm turning purple right now. If I was white, i'd
be I'd be I'd be turning, I'd be I'd be read.
But I'm black, so I'm turning purple.
Speaker 2: Man, give us a brief update, man, a little keeping
up with the cougars.
Speaker 4: What's keeping below busy these days? Man?
Speaker 3: My my my third, my third youngest dre he's eight
months man, he is. I'm look, I don't know how
I know in the LDS culture, in the church, you know,
you guys have like ten kids, but like I, I can't. Man,
my my, I got a fourteen year old, I got
a ten year old, and I got an eight month
year old. So I've lost probably about five pounds, you know,
chasing him around. He's crawling and going up the stairs,
doing all crazy types of stuff. So that's a pretty
big gap, you know, ten ten years and eight months.
So I'm relearning how to be your dad again, you know. So,
But yeah, that's that's about it. Man. He's he's a
breath of fresh air. He's a loving, loving kid. He's loved,
he's happy. You know, he'll have his his his his
nine month appointment here in a bit. But he's on
track right now to be about six to two. So
I'm just for that.
Speaker 4: Let's go. I love that.
Speaker 2: Keeping busy and multiplying and replenishing the earth. That's the
first commandment that God gave Adam and Eve below.
Speaker 3: I know it. I know, I know, I know it.
So you know, uh yeah, yeah, I wish I could.
Speaker 2: Do more, but you know, you know, he looked where
you stand below, Brian. This BA football team coming off
a miraculous, marvelous season twelve to two, only losses to
Texas Tech, definitely one of the best seasons in BAU
football history. When you look at what's been accomplished over
the last two years, it's, uh, it's impressive. Man, with
Collott's building. As a former player, what are you seeing
that You're like, I.
Speaker 3: Think, I think culture is probably the biggest thing. When
you look at the landscape of college all right now
you have n IO and the transfer portal, it's it's
really hard to be loyal and and when you look
at the retention of b y U and and all
the guys that they've retained, especially starters and guys that
have made, you know, impact on the field, you gotta
you gotta give up the culture. Obviously, you know, b
y U is a richer school in America. I don't
care what anybody says. We we're the richer school, but
we don't give out those funds like the rest of
the other schools. Right Like, we're not giving out the
same funds as Texas Tech or Miami or Notre Game,
et cetera. And so in order to retain these these guys,
it's it's it's it's culture. A lot of those guys.
When you when you think about all the guys that
have made impacts, like like Bear or l J, they
got it easily, went anywhere else, but they decided to stay.
Obviously they're gonna stay because they're they're getting money. That's
let's not let's try to sweep that under the rug,
like it's not a big thing. But to be able
to convince a kid to stay for reasons outside of
money says a lot. So I think I think cultures
is huge. And you know, I said this on TV
the other day, how you know your your like where
culture is passed down. Culture has passed down through your
the team, not necessarily through the head coach. Right, so
you have the head coach that culture is in the
vision and the mission has passed down to the leadership,
and then leadership then passed that they passed that down
to the players. And I think the last two years,
to answer the question more directly, is you start to
see that regardless if it's transperportal guys, if it's freshman,
if it's Chase guys coming in, any any of the
of the new signing group that's coming in, they come in,
they love everything about the program. Uh, they love everything
about the city and and and what BYU stands for
and the and they gravitate to the culture like immediately
almost like that. Right, So, I think he's done a
really great job of doing that.
Speaker 4: Love that breakdown that you gave.
Speaker 2: There be low lots to be excited about, lots to
you know, buy into right now. And b Yu's trending
in the right direction, and they've they've acquired some great
talent via the portal and UH and the retention though,
the retention is what's so impressive. It's not like they
have to go out and acquire twenty thirty guys. They
can go out and get maybe ten eleven guys and
they're good. What does that say about the culture right now.
Speaker 3: I think it says that it's bigger than football. You
know what what what BYU stands for what they're trying
to accomplish. You know the mission statement that's back to
you know, by the church, and it resonates, you know.
I always tell the story after San Diego State took
away my scholarship. My first offer was with Gary Anderson
at Utah State. This is his first year being a
head coach or going into his first year, and he said, look,
I know, I know you're short, but you're athletic, You're
crazy talent sed I'm gonna put you at corner. I'm
gonna put you at nickel, I'm gonna put you at
strong safety, free safety. You're gonna return kicks, You're gonna
return punch. I'm gonna put your on offense. I'm gonna
get you some some bubble screens, some reverses. I'm gonna
I'm gonna really highlight how versus how your your athleticism
is to get you to the next level, which is
the NFL, to where you know, these NFL scouts they
don't have to worry about you know, your height and uh.
And it was the same same game plan and blueprint
that I did in junior college. Right, I did everything
that Gary Anderson said that he wanted he wanted to
do for me at Utah State at the D one
level that I did in junior man. I went. I
went to b YU the next week, and Broncos didn
say none of that, none of that. I almost kind
of regret not going to Uta. I'll saying, not gonna lie,
that's that's another conversation. But Bronco is like, look, I'm
gonna You're gonna be a better man, a better father, husband,
you know, brother son, you know, et cetera. And that
that was so different and a complete one eighty message
to me that I really resonated that you know, football
only lasts so long, and uh, life after ball is
really what's what's important, especially with me and you know,
being a shorter corner and my odds. And I think
every coach regards if they're a head coach or an
assistant coach, they had that message that that resonates with
with players regardless if they're LDS or not LDS, that
they're black, white, orange, Muslim doesn't really matter. And so
I think I think that message Klinie has done a
really great job of conveying that message that hate like
like the off the field message as well as the
on the field message. But the on the field message,
i think for the first time in a while, is
now backed up. When you look at the wins, you
look at the guys that are getting drafted, you look
at the position that that that this program is in
being ranked top twenty five for the last couple of years.
So now you have a player that's that's getting the
off the field message, but the on the field message
is actually backed up, and you can see that through
through the stats, and you can see that through you know,
the amount of height and the love and the recognition
that the program is getting.
Speaker 4: Check this out.
Speaker 2: This was breaking news a little bit ago with I
think it was yesterday when it dropped. I don't know
if you saw this, but pending committee approval, college football
players can now playing in play in nine games and
keep their red shirt instead of the current four gamer rule. Now,
when you and I were playing, you play one play
and your red shirt is burned. Right then they moved
in twenty seventy to four games. Now it's up to nine.
I don't know how you would have utilized this, but
I should sure could have utilized this as a JUCO
transfer at BYU. I need my year back then, Hey,
let's go, let's go play bro.
Speaker 3: Hey, actually I need two years. Look, I need I
need a COVID year. Everybody got a COVID year, and
I need my red shirt year. I didn't a red shirt,
so I got two years. Kline, come high. Let me,
I don't you know. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't know how I feel
about it. Well, okay, now that you asked me, I'm
thinking about it, and I'm throwing right now so I
can get my thoughts together. Yeah, I like it because,
like I would, I would have loved to be a
red Shirt and had and got that experience, like like
real game time experience. And I'm not just talking about
on the field, off the field as well, right, like
being able to travel? What does that look like with
my grades and my classes? When I when I am traveling,
how do I communicate you know, those type of situations
to my teachers? How do I prepare when I'm on
the road. How do I tell my girlfriend, look, we're
not about to see to them? For a couple of days.
You know what I'm saying, all that stuff like plays
places and part of it of getting that experience, and
so I don't necessarily think it's a negative thing. It's
just kind of crazy to me. Like what you said
when we played it was you talk about playing one
snap man. If you if you if you took if
you took a certain like a junior college, if you
took a certain amount of credits, you like you were eligible, right,
like like junior colleges like d one you take one
snap Junior colleges is credits. And so I think it's
it's just it's new to us. So it's kind of crazy.
But I think the better question, and I'm gonna ask
you this man, is does it does it does it
negatively impact the player? Or does it help them in
a positive way?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look selfishly, you know, you can strategically
navigate certain things. Like let's say, you know, I'll give
you as an example, right that first year was what
two thousand and nine, wasn't that your first year? And
I know there was like some maybe like you didn't
know you were going to start until like the week.
Speaker 4: Of right, No, I did in my heart, you did
in your heart?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay, so you started and played well. Versus Oklahoma,
you know, you go on the road, versus Tulane, you
play there, you win, you lost to Florida State.
Speaker 4: You know, you play Colorado State.
Speaker 2: You're looking at the back end of the schedule and like, hey,
like what is there like three games? Because remember you
can play in bowl games. You can play in bowl games.
So are there three games that are easily winnable that
you could maybe sit out for and like, hey, I
can play an additional two years, right. It becomes a
little bit more strategic, right, Like when I came to
by you even getting four games, that would have been
nice to be able to strategically be like, okay, well
they're gonna redshirt me, but I'll play in four games.
But and you could also kind of pull You could say, hey,
I want to read you because I want to be
here for the next two years, right, or I want
to maintain my eligibility.
Speaker 4: I don't know, you can you can strategically navigate it
a little bit more.
Speaker 2: And now this day and age more earning potential as well. Right,
that's almost three seasons. It'll eventually go five for five.
It'll eventually go there, but there's some litigation that's occurring.
There's some lawyering that's going on right now that's limiting
that ability. But eventually it'll get five for five. But
so I think it's a good thing overall. I'm a
player advocate, even though it does create a little bit
more chaos for coaches and administrators and institutions.
Speaker 3: Well, Ben, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you
like a personal example. This is twenty ten, right, So
we we played Florida State and I remember in the
up spraining their terrance some ligament in my shoulders and
that that was the same game that Riley Nelson ended
up getting hurt and he red shirted. Oh yeah, I remember. Yeah.
I remember going in on Monday to the training room
and Riley was like, man, I'm done, and I was like,
I was like, oh shoot, I got hurt too. I'm like,
I'm I'm thinking about it now. This is this is
the reason why I was thinking about it. Yeah, there's two.
There's two reasons. The first and foremost, my cousin Joe
Sampson had just committed right and I played with him
at the junior college level and he had just committed.
He was he had the red shirt because he even
got grades. Yeah, I went to buy U and I
couldn't be a mentor or nobody anymore. And he was
doing stupid stuff anyway. So I was like, I would
love to play with my cousin again. That's number one.
Number two, Bronco had announced and BYU had announced that
they were going to independent, and they had showed the schedule.
So I was like, yo, this is a crazy schedule
compared to what I'm I I'm used to this prior
to year. So and Riley was like.
Speaker 5: Bro, just do it, just do it, do it, do it.
Speaker 3: So so to this point of this announcement, I would
have rehabed and and still played. But I would have
I wouldn't. I would have came to a certain point
of whatever you know that the nine games or for
whatever it was, and played up until that point, and
I would have read started for selfish reasons, and then
it had another year, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: So so now I'm I'm with you, man. I think
I think it's a I think it's a good thing,
and especially guys like me that have a very slim
chance to play professionally at the next level, like I
would like when I like when I was like earning potential,
like I was done, Like like I played in the
CFL for a year, I played like making sixty thousand
dollars year, played arena football for year making three hundred
dollars a week, you know what I mean, Like I'm
somebody like me, I'm I would gladly stay and get
two hundred three hundred grand and stay another year. So
you're absolutely right.
Speaker 4: No doubt about it.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people are gonna get angry because,
you know, high school players, this whole new this new
realm of of of of college, the college football landscape,
high school players against screwed.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, yeah, yeah, technically they are. They're just not.
But but technically they're not.
Speaker 2: They can go to JUKO, they can go to D
one Double A, they can go to D two, they
can go to D three. They can continue to play
ball and receive scholarships, just not at the G six
or P four level, and then you can get experience there.
I mean, you know, you can still get your scholarship.
You're just not getting nil as much as you're you're
going the traditional route of getting a scholarship and academic scholarship.
Speaker 3: Initially, well you got you gotta think. Look, look, I'm
a I'm a marketer, right, and we always talk about
this and something where that's made a lot of success
with me and my marketing career is understanding what the
customer journey is. So the first touch point, you know,
between you branding the customer all the way to the
transaction and then even post transaction in regard to how
do we retain this customer and then how do we
upsell this customer. It's the same exact thing when it
comes to college athletes. It's just you and I. We
had a there was a certain customer journey or a
player journey, let's call it. That. There's a certain player
journey of guys that were underdeveloped like me, or guys
that didn't have grades, whatever the case is, that had
to go a certain route from from graduation in high
school all the way to making it to the D
one level. And so now you just got to that
journey has changed. Right, So if I'm a high school
player and I'm not a five star guy for whatever reason,
and I now understand that this is the journey that
I had to take. It's just it's just being able
to adapt. So now I would recommend guys not to
So if you're super underdeveloped, maybe like how I was, Like,
I didn't go to Peter EATI I was eighteen, no life,
no life at all. I ain't start getting hair on
my test until I was twenty seven. That's how That's
how laid I was right. So so somebody like me,
I'm probably gonna go to the JC route because the
JC like those as of now, those those years aren't
getting counted for, right, so I can develop as a
young man, get my grown man muscles, so to speak,
and then still have four years if I'm a kid
that is just under under recruited. But I'm ready. I
had the skills, said, I have the athleticism, everything, all
the intangible to get to a D one but I'm not.
But but for whatever reason, I'm not getting those looks.
I'll go double A, right, I'll go to I'll go
to a Sack State or am Montana State or Montana,
or I'll go to a Wyoming or a New Mexico,
a very low end, you know, D one school, because
that's the new JC. Right. Look, look who is the
best example they were talking about right now with Kean
Marrion right is at Miami right now playing for ne Samship.
You know what I mean, Like you can go like that,
that's the new route. So back in the day, it's like, man,
I'm not I'm not going to San Diego State. I'm
not going to Sack State like sike, I'm need to
go D one. No no, no, no that Now the
route is, I'll go to Utah State. No offense to Bronco,
shouts to U Bronco, I love you. But I'll go
to Utah State for a year or two, get developed
and then being able to jump to a b y
U or Utah Like that's like you look at Utah,
Utah's quarterback right on New Mexico. Now is that Utah?
Like that's the new route right there. And so I
think it's just says as as analysts and guys that
have played in the past, like you and I have,
we have to understand that it's just a new route,
right and don't matter how you get there is the
pole point is getting there.
Speaker 2: I want to transition here with you below the National
Champion Chip game will be a little less than a
week from now, Monday, five thirty pm Mountain Time on
ESPN Miami versus Indiana, Number one versus Number ten, the
fifteen to zero, Who's yours versus.
Speaker 4: The thirteen and two Hurricanes? Who you picking? And why?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I got I'm gonna pick. I'm a pick Indiana.
You know I've been. I've been saying this for the
latter part of the season, that Indiana they they're doing something,
something different, something great. A lot of those guys took
the same route that I just talked about, the new route, right.
A lot of them came from James Madison, under recruited
for whatever reasons. And the head coach gets to Indiana,
he brings those guys with him so that those guys play,
they're playing with a chip on the shoulders. And you
and I both know this been. You know, going that
j C route and getting that internal motivation. It's one
thing to get outside motivation, right, like like fans booing
you or coaches under recruiting you. But it's another. It's
a whole nother perspective when you had that chip on
your shoulder that's created from within and and being overlooked,
under recruited, not having the size that the talent or
you know, the skill set on paper, and you start
to build that internally. Man, that that that's that's a
different type of tip that you have on your shoulder.
And and I think that's what those guys have, and
that's that's hard to stop you. Look at me. I
had that same tip that I had that was built
in turn. Really, man, nobody can stop me. I started
being five to six. I still hold a couple of records. Humbly,
I humbly say that. So Indiana, I'm yo, I'm rooting
for Keylan Marian. That's my home. Yet I love everything
he did for BYU and his story, but I gotta
choose Indiana.
Speaker 2: Do you think uh Indiana covers? Do you think they
beat him by more than eight and a half? Is
it more of a blowout like we've seen within these
Indiana games.
Speaker 3: I hope they do. I got a lot of money
on it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, you picked Indiana to win, right,
but did you pick Indiana to cover plus eight and
a half?
Speaker 3: Wits? Okay, ye yep, I did I think that. I
think it's a blowout. I think it's a blowout man
and here look, look, look you you know I'm the
biggest conspiracy theorist ever. M hmm. I've been I've been here.
I've been hearing some things and looking at some things.
I think they I think they may be on to something.
So I put a lot of money on it.
Speaker 4: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: So Signetti doing something like when you when you evaluate
what Signetti's doing, like what stands out to you about
their their their product, their talent, their coaching staff. Their
roster was the seventy second most talented roster in college
football this last year per two four seven. That's that's
going against what a lot of people think is gonna
win championships.
Speaker 4: Your over year.
Speaker 3: That's also why there's a strong argument that they're cheating.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, what do you mean they're cheating? Oh? You
you think they're cheating?
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that. Okay, let me say that. I
say that, I'm saying I'm saying that's a conspiracy out there, Okay.
But to be to be honest with you, I think
when you look at the roster and you look at
how many guys that are starters, that are twenty three,
you know, twenty four years years old. Think dude, think
think about think about b y U and our rockster. Like,
a lot of guys are mature, they're married, they got kids,
and nobody's going out to the bars and to the
clubs and to parties. Like everybody's going home to their wives,
to their kids. They're doing homework, they're getting degrees, master degrees.
Hope that everybody's focused. They're they're they're really truly focused.
And and I think that that's the model right now
is getting guys that are that are older, that are mature,
that understand hindsight, because a lot of guys right now
they go from school to school to school to school
trying to get the bag. Where you got guys like
on the Indiana roster that that's a you know what,
if I stay here, stay put in the system that
I know that and and and the vision and the
mission that I see from the coach, I can get
something that's more long term, right which is a potential
NFL opportunity. I can go to the school or that
school and increase you know, short term finances. But I
think hindsight, it is something that a lot of these
younger players, and I mean we just us as human beings,
like individually, we don't start to really look at hindsight
and decisions that we make long term until we get older.
And so for this roster that is twenty three and
twenty four year olds, they're seeing the hindsight right, they
are understanding like, hey, you know, this bar has been
here way before I was born. It's gonna be way,
it's gonna be here way after I die. And so
I only have this small little window on this small
opportunity to maximize my potential, my talent to get to
the next level. So I don't really care about that
now when you think about that eighteen year old that's
just coming out out of high school, I'm away from
mom orway from dad for the first time. I got
these five girls, the tear ladies looking at me, the
crowd looking at me like I got millions of dollars
in my pocket, Like I'm not. I'm just looking at
the right now. And so I think I think that's
really the biggest differ diference is getting guys on a
roster that's that's more mature, and I would say more
mature on a professional level, because that's how a lot
of the NFL guys are right, like they have that
maturity because they they they went through what they went
through in college and their young years. They understand their
mistakes and so now getting to the professional level, they're
able to take on the spotlight. They're able to to
to live life with millions of dollars in their pockets
and not make bone the head decisions. Now you're taking
those type of guys and they and now you're still
placing them in college. So I think I think that's
the biggest difference.
Speaker 2: Bring up some valid points here, Brian Logan below the
past breakup King, it was fantastic getting caught up with
you and talking ball with you, and uh, we'll see
who wins that that, daddy, and see if Indiana covers
below much love.
Speaker 3: You you got, you got who you got? Who are
you picking?
Speaker 4: No, I'm picking Indiana like.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the conspiracy theory, and you know I told
I tell everyone I was in a conspiracy thereis Ronald
always pokes fun at me. I was in a conspiracy
theorist till like twenty twenty, and it thanks the question
is an at the conspiracy Bear Bachmeyer on ESPN's websites
listened at two twenty on BYU Football's rosteries listened at
two thirty. But how much do you think he really weighs?
What did he way at the end of the year.
Speaker 3: Now he likes he's like two fifty. He's like two fifty,
that's what that's a uh hey, hey, look look, I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: Give you think do you think he's two fifty?
Speaker 3: Now, I'm gonna give you some inside information you guys. Look,
you can say this, Hey on the fans, everybody that's listening,
you could say this, just that you that you heard
it from me. I'm telling you right now, he's two fifty.
I'm telling you there's.
Speaker 4: Proof, there's provin he's two fifty.
Speaker 3: Bro, I'm telling you he maybe two forty five, maybe
towards the end for programming its chemishit mabe. I'm telling
you right now. I can't tell you how I know,
but just that I know.
Speaker 4: Man, oh man, you think he's too fitting. You need
at least at least two forty five.
Speaker 3: Man, I don't think I know. I'm telling you I know. Hey, Hey,
send you something. I'm gonna send you. I'm gona text you,
I'm gonna send you something when we get off the phone.
But you hear from me though you hate me.
Speaker 4: Do you think it's the Do you think it's the
bread pudding at Ruby River? You think that's what it is?
Speaker 3: You do you do.
Speaker 5: Hear his postgame interviews about his offensive lineman, how he'd
be taking him out like like you're like, yeah, I'm
about to get I'm about to get the old lines
from some rice.
Speaker 3: Christy Trees is a brownie man, He's.
Speaker 4: Hey, man, you know what I think.
Speaker 2: I think the more weight, the merrier man, because like
I mean, I feel like I feel like more more weight, game,
more power, you know what I mean? More I want
more arm strength, you know what I mean. A little
bit more out of post tissue is gonna help him
throw the ball.
Speaker 3: Father man, hey man, bear, if you ever come across
this interview, I appreciate everything that you've done for us,
especially getting your situation gain as much way as you
can until you can't move anymore. Like if that means
once you start losing speed at two seventy, then go
to two sixty nine and we get it.
Speaker 4: Below. Brian Logan, Ladies and gentle I appreciate you, bro, Love.
Speaker 3: You all right, bro, appreciate you love you too.
Speaker 4: All right, There you have it. There you go. That
was below that secred was brought.
Speaker 6: To Hey, Ben, I just need to jump in. How
many times do I tell you I like this conspiracy.
I don't like all of them, but I like some
of them. I'm telling you where we might get suspended
from practice because the one day I'm gonna come with
the scale and be like, step on the scale.
Speaker 4: I'm not even getting.
Speaker 6: Step on the scale real quick, steple scale, real quick,
and it's gonna say like two two, and I'm gonna
take the scale away and the rudd Blake beer ste
no pads on step.
Speaker 4: On the scale. Oh my goodness. I don't know if
he's two fifty.
Speaker 6: But look, guys, we don't try to ever call problems,
but we do like to tell the truth, you know,
honestly in our dealings with our fellow men. You can
go download the interviews search Bear Bachmeyer. When we had
him on, he's like, I'm I'm about two thirty five,
That's what he told me. And Ben so he is
a he's somewheed between two thirty five and two forty.
Speaker 4: I think maybe he.
Speaker 6: Lost five pounds. But Ben He's definitely a thicker dude. Look,
I'm with you, eat more, get all the girth possible,
make people regret one of the decisions because it looked
last year. I know Smith's going to Michigan, but Smith
is also on Bear's highlight tape because Bear was dragging
him into the m zone.
Speaker 2: I love big, burly, girthy Bear. That's who I love.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: Any advantage to the weight game, Yes, power, power and
throwing power and running baby, big fan of Bear Bachmeyer Kugarnation.
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