WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:13.080 Hey guys, welcome to another episode of eyes On. We 2 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:17.640 got a special Greek Independence stage episode for you. Joined 3 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:21.920 here with Mark poly Moreopolis, former obviously senior CIA officer. 4 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:25.559 Uh, we're gonna go on one topic. 5 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:28.320 It's gonna be fast and loose about what went down 6 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:31.600 yesterday with the signal chat from the article in the 7 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:34.000 Atlantic which pretty much spelled out what was what. 8 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:37.159 So Mark, how's it going? Man? 9 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.840 Have you ever sent like, uh, you know, secret stuff 10 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:42.880 to people on signal, like while you were working just 11 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:44.799 to you with Jack? 12 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:47.600 I mean, come on, no, Well, first of all, I 13 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:50.240 think there's this is this is a significant because now 14 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:52.000 the two Greeks have taken over the show. 15 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:54.079 Yeah, no more marines, just Greek. 16 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:57.119 No more marines, and you know, another riff raft around 17 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:00.320 and so uh, this is important. It is Greek Independence Day. 18 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:06.159 And we could probably do a whole podcast on how 19 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:08.879 our fellow Greek Americans were kind of snowed so many 20 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:11.719 of them into into the Maga world. But that's for 21 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.599 another time. So I will just say that. I will 22 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:17.879 note I was not invited as a in my view, 23 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:20.120 as I am a prominent Greek American, I was not 24 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:21.560 invited to the White house yesterday. 25 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:23.280 I saw some of my I knew a couple of 26 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:24.120 kids that were there. 27 00:01:24.040 --> 00:01:26.480 Right right, So so I get and so the way 28 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:28.599 I put it out on social media, I guess they lost, 29 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:30.239 you know, my invitation. 30 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:30.359 In the mail. 31 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:35.719 Yeah, yeah, well you probably didn't even you probably didn't 32 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:38.400 give money to like the inauguration or some shit, you 33 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:39.359 know what I mean to get the. 34 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.079 NBA, I did not do that, but but thanks for 35 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.439 having me on d Really an astonishing twenty four hours 36 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:51.239 with this explosive report in The Atlantic, which I think, 37 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:54.239 you know, for many of us in the national security world, 38 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:57.959 you know, left us kind of gobsmacked. And that's, by 39 00:01:57.959 --> 00:01:59.400 the way, it's on both sides of the aisle. So 40 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:01.560 you're gonna see a whole bunch of kind of Republican 41 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:06.000 spin on this, necessarily saying it didn't happen, but downplaying it. 42 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:09.680 But in private, every single you know, Republican national security 43 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:13.240 official that I know is equally as alarmed about what happened, 44 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:15.840 because in essence, and just to kind of summarize a 45 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:19.159 little bit, Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of the Atlantic, 46 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.120 was somehow added to what is called what was called 47 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:26.000 in a signal Chat, the Hoothy Small Group and. 48 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.639 Chiefs Principal Committee. 49 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:32.240 The Hoothy PC Small Group. Now that, by the way, 50 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:36.960 is the exact name that is used in such small 51 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:41.800 discussions that of course usually are held in the situation room. 52 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:44.479 So just the name itself is very revealing that this 53 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:49.879 is almost certainly true. But in it individuals including the 54 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:52.560 Vice President and then representatives from some other you know, 55 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.439 national security agencies. Mike Waltz, I guess was the one 56 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:58.199 who organized this, the National Security Advisor. But there was 57 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:02.479 clearly classified discussions that were including you know, war plans, 58 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:04.759 and we'll address that in a second. But I think 59 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:07.400 what was what was stunning for many of us is that, 60 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.719 you know, Signal is a encrypted chat. It's pretty good. 61 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:12.680 In fact, I use it to talk to a lot 62 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.759 of people. It is considered though by the US government 63 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:19.360 to be unclassified. It is absolutely not appropriate to have, 64 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:23.479 whether it's confidential, secret or top secret information on it, period, 65 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:27.439 end of story. And so I think that's what kind 66 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.879 of shocked a lot of people. Uh, there is something 67 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:32.639 else in which, you know that we can talk all 68 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:35.159 about the irony of this, But as a as a 69 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.599 CIA alumnus of retiree, and I know there's other people 70 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:42.039 who you certainly have here, you know, Mick mulroy, my 71 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.719 good friend. We all received on March twelfth an unclassified 72 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.080 email and you can't make this up from this CIA 73 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:53.680 alumni organization unclassified warning about what the dangers of signal, 74 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:57.439 the vulnerable signal, and then we have our current director 75 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:01.639 using signal or in partsticipating in this chat. Of course, 76 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:05.680 this was generated by the National Security Advisor Mike Waltson. 77 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:08.560 So there's just a staggering level of hypocrisy here. So 78 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:10.800 you know, there's so many things to think about. Then 79 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:13.479 there's of course the content of it itself on the 80 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:15.599 policy side, which is really interesting, and you know, we 81 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:17.839 can kind of address these things kind of piecemeal. But 82 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:20.439 bottom line on this is that this seems to be 83 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.199 a very serious breach of national security information. Signal is 84 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:28.759 not secure for this type of content, and you know, 85 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:32.240 let's see what happens again. In one of the another 86 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:37.279 incredible ironies today and tomorrow, the entire national security establishment, 87 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:39.639 including Telsey Gabber, the d and I, John Radcliffe, the 88 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.319 CI director, Cash would tell the FBI Director, are all 89 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.600 testifying today in front of the Senate Select Committee on 90 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.040 Intelligence and an open hearing that starts at ten am, 91 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.800 Oh my god, tomorrow in front of the House Permanent 92 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.560 Select Committee on Intelligence. I mean, talk about incredible timing. 93 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:59.560 And these are important briefings because it's the Worldwide Threat Assessment, 94 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:01.319 but I would imagine it's going to be dominated by 95 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:01.959 this issue. 96 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:03.079 Yeah. 97 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:06.839 I mean, you saw Pete HeiG Set's response when he 98 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:10.240 got off of his airplane, which he was obviously aware 99 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:15.079 because Goldberg Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of the Atlantic, 100 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:18.000 who was put into this group chat, and The Atlantic 101 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.839 asked for a comment early in the morning before the 102 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.560 story went out, so they were well aware of this story. 103 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:26.160 And he Sets just went into some kind of like 104 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.680 kind of like a rant, denying everything and stuff like that, 105 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:33.399 even after the NSC. 106 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:40.199 Fucking you know, you know confirmed it. Well, right, I 107 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:42.120 mean that's the thing, so you know, no one's story 108 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:45.560 is straight. I think a lot of people, you know, 109 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:47.800 and we can, you know, we can we can kind 110 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:52.079 of dive into the players in this. I think a 111 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:54.600 lot of people had faith that Marco Rubio, the Secretary 112 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:57.680 of State, would be responsible national security official. He's on 113 00:05:57.800 --> 00:05:59.920 this chat, that's unfortunate Mike Waaltz, who was a former 114 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:05.560 Green Beret. I think it's disappointing that that he certainly 115 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:09.800 didn't understand the gravity of the security breach here. I mean, 116 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.079 he initiated the chat. But Pete Hegseth's you know, uh, 117 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:17.160 you know, plainside kind of diatribe against Jeffrey Goldberg was 118 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:20.240 just ludicrous. Yeah, and I think that does bring into 119 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.560 question his both his suitability and his qualifications as Secretary 120 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:25.600 of Defense and in the White House this morning is 121 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.040 again is on full on denial mode. I mean, I 122 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:31.040 guess what they're going to say is number one, somehow 123 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:34.680 that signal was appropriate for this, which is of course 124 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:38.720 not accurate. The biggest comment they'll have is that, well 125 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:42.680 they someone inadvertently invited to journalist into the chat, and 126 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.160 then then they're going to deny that these war plans 127 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:48.279 were we're discussed. And I will just say that, you know, 128 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.160 for Jeffrey Goldberg to so, it seemed to me he 129 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.639 acted responsible. The Atlantic did not report what was actually 130 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:56.680 the content of it. But there's a lot of swirl 131 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.600 going around in Washington that this had to do with 132 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:02.279 you know, precise tar It's number of aircraft used literally 133 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.920 timing of the sorties, the intelligence that was going to 134 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:09.519 be used on the ground to help guide. 135 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:10.000 Some of the strikes. 136 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:13.800 And so presumably the Atlantic has this stuff and you know, 137 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:17.839 so so you know, the White House denials, you know, 138 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:20.319 are kind of interesting because at some point, you know, 139 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:23.879 someone's not telling the truth, and it certainly seems to 140 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:25.720 be that the White House is spinning. Now there's also 141 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.800 some reports that Mike Wallas's Jeopardy might job might be injestiy. 142 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:29.720 Yeah. 143 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.160 I think that's probably because for two reasons. One is 144 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.160 that this embarrassed the administration. Trump doesn't like this. But 145 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:37.519 what's really interesting and maybe we can you know, I 146 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:39.279 think we can establish the fact that this was an 147 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.199 extraordinary security breach. Let me also say d that you know, 148 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:46.360 myself or or any others in the national security world, 149 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:48.399 if we had done this, put this type of information 150 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:50.439 on signal, we would not only be fired, would probably 151 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.480 be prosecuted. So let's just flat out yeah, double enormous. 152 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:57.399 But the content of the actual messages and then we 153 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:58.959 can dive into that for a second. I know, this 154 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:03.279 is a quick emergence. POD's fascinating because it shows policy 155 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:06.639 differences you have JD. Vance, who is not advocating for 156 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:11.519 the strikes. You then you have Stephen Miller, the Deputy 157 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:13.480 Chief of Staff, then coming in from kind of left 158 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:15.399 field and saying, hey, this is what the president wants 159 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.399 to do. It an end of story, and JD. Vance 160 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.839 kind of comes in, and then there's this kind of 161 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.480 discussion between Vance and Pete Hegseth shipping all over the 162 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:28.480 Europeans saying how pathetically now, of course in Europe, and 163 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:29.959 I have a lot of friends in Europe, I certainly 164 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:32.559 have a lot of contact with your former national security 165 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:35.279 officials there. They're focused on that. They're like, holy crap, 166 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.399 these fuckers really do hate us. These are internal communications, 167 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:42.519 and so I think in some ways President Trump is 168 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.679 probably pissed as well, because this shows some fissures within 169 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:50.440 the administration, and the Vance actually saying in one of 170 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.120 the chats basically, you know, the President really doesn't get 171 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:56.600 it here, so it's a bit embarrassing for him. So again, 172 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.000 there's so many facets of this. There's the security breach, 173 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:01.320 there's the incompetence of inviting a reporter, and then there's 174 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.120 the content of of of the exchanges, which which do 175 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.320 show some of the inner kind of workings of the 176 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:10.320 Trump administration, you know, perhaps some of the of the 177 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:13.799 of the fishers there, uh and uh and so uh. 178 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.279 It's a this is this is a scandal for the ages. 179 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:18.159 I mean, you know, not to get too hyperbolic, but 180 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:20.639 I've never seen something like this. And again the notion 181 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:24.840 people use signal all over Washington. National security officials use 182 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.399 signal and and probably at times they do so on 183 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:30.919 policy issues that they shouldn't. They do not put in 184 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:35.000 stripe plans, right, they don't run a small group. 185 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:35.240 You know. 186 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:37.399 Again, this is a this is a meeting that should 187 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:40.320 be held in the situation room. And the other part too. 188 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.720 D It's important to note there's a massive communications infrastructure 189 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.480 that all of these officials have at their disposal that 190 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:49.960 follow them around both sat at their house and mobile. Like, 191 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:52.320 this is no reason to do this other than laziness. 192 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:52.600 Right. 193 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:57.360 Even Mick, who is Deputy Assistant Secretary, said he's like, 194 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:00.480 there is a there's a you know, a proteo call 195 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:04.720 to this. We get secure talent like communications from laptops 196 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:07.840 to phones even, right, so you can have these kind 197 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.919 of conversations without putting it on a commercial app. That yeah, 198 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:15.279 it might be encrypted, but like my question is like 199 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:19.679 if your phone's compromised, they can't see what you're typing 200 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:20.279 and signal. 201 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:23.240 If your phone compromised, the whole whole thing's compromise. I 202 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.200 mean again, signal is not approved for this, right And 203 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:29.720 let me just say once again the CIA Alumni Association 204 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:33.120 on March twelfth and an unclassified letter that we all got, 205 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:35.360 and I say I can say this because its unclassified 206 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:38.600 basically gave us guysance that signal was was it was 207 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:41.120 not secure, was vulnerable, and there's here's some things you 208 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:43.399 can do to kind of tighten stuff up. And one 209 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:45.480 of the things that that it's still we still don't 210 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.840 know d is you know signals usually used on your phone? 211 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:52.519 Sure so these are are these the personal phones of 212 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.159 these US government officials? Again a massive violation. The final 213 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.120 piece on this is Steve Whitcough that you know the 214 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.600 Middle East slash you know Russia Ukraine envoy was actually 215 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:05.279 traveling in Russia and apparently he joined the chat on 216 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:08.639 his on his phone. Again Russia being a denied area 217 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.559 along with Beijing, a place where you would never do this. 218 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:15.360 And again at any ordinary national security official would be 219 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:18.159 fired and perhaps prosecuted if they had done it. So, 220 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.120 you know, the double standard is enormous, enormous, and I 221 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:24.679 would say, look, this was a mistake, got it, but 222 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:27.679 it's worth pointing out. And I'm sorry. You know, maybe 223 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:31.039 some listeners won't like this, but the incredible, incredible hypocrisy, 224 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.120 and you could do maybe this is a this is 225 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:36.320 a good project for you die alongside whenever this this 226 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.399 this pod comes out, you could do a compilation of 227 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:46.600 Hegseth Tulsey, Gabbard, John Ratcliffe, uh and uh, certainly Mike 228 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.480 Waltz and how they eviscerated Hillary Clinton for the whole 229 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:53.919 issue with her server on and Marco Ruby as well, 230 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:57.519 on and on and on and frankly, this issue and 231 00:11:57.720 --> 00:11:59.919 the Hillary server issue was a real one. That's not 232 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.120 good what she did. This is far worse because again 233 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:05.000 we have to see if you know, if as Jeffrey 234 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:08.679 Goldberg claims, and again I can't imagine this is not true, 235 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:11.240 because this is this is putting The Atlantic, which is 236 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:14.799 incredibly successful, Unlike what President Trump said in the interview, 237 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:19.480 he did incredibly successful, profitable magazine in Washington, which has 238 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.120 an enormous readership of over you know, a million subscribers. 239 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:25.440 They wouldn't put their reputation on the line on this, 240 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:28.639 and so you know, the truth is eventually gonna gonna 241 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.960 come out. I mean, you know, just they're they're they're 242 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:35.000 kind of the administration is hanging on on the precipice 243 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:35.480 right here. 244 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:37.840 So there's some word that I mean, and this is 245 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:41.799 just speculation that the reason why Jeffrey Goldberg was added 246 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:47.080 to the chat is because Mike Waltz regularly leaks some stuff. 247 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:50.480 Well, I mean, you know, look, I have a Signal chat. 248 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:54.279 I have a ton of contacts on there, and every 249 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.279 once in a while I do it. I do a 250 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.759 request to someone and it's the wrong person and I go, 251 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.759 oh shit, I didn't mean this because I've listed as 252 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.200 Keith or D or something like that. You know, I 253 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.919 have more than one friend who's D. And afterwards, as 254 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:08.879 I'm having a chat with them, I'm like, holy crap, 255 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:11.480 I'm actually talking to the wrong person. Yeah, and so 256 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:14.879 it's not in your contact list unless you have a 257 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:17.840 reason to have contacted them before, right, And by the way, 258 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:20.000 it's not you know, And so yeah, I mean that, 259 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:22.639 you know, that's that's a that's something that Mike Waltz 260 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:24.120 probably has some explaining to do. 261 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:26.519 Sure, I mean, listen, I'm sure this is not like 262 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.120 that's just name it done Washington, by the way, that's normal, correct. Yeah, 263 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:32.320 and he's the editor in chief too. I mean, I'm 264 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:34.399 sure he's definitely leave them stuff. But what or at 265 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:35.799 least got in comment or something. 266 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:37.960 I think Goldberg is a powerful figure here who has 267 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:40.360 enormous respect. I mean, you know, he's a Trump critic, 268 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.519 there's no doubt about that. Yeah, he's written extensively about 269 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:45.799 you know, Trump's kind of disdain for the US military, 270 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:48.000 and there's been controversy back and forth. But there's nothing 271 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.159 that that Goldberg that I've seen that he's done that 272 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.600 is actually not accurate. Now the White House is spinning 273 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:55.720 this hegxeth did and this morning the press, the White 274 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:59.960 House Press Secretary again, they're you know, they're they're doubling down. Look, 275 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:03.039 the Donald Trump method when a scandal hits is literally 276 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:05.279 to deny it it didn't happen, even if it's you 277 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.080 right in the face. You know, this is what he learned. 278 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:10.720 This is what they do. And I think they probably 279 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:13.679 think that because Republicans are so scared of them Republicans 280 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.399 on the Hill that they can weather this, and they might. 281 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.519 I mean, that's the amazing definitely will. Yeah, And so 282 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:21.440 so you know, should people lose their jobs over this? 283 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:25.080 Absolutely will? They probably not, But there's there's there's something 284 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.480 to you know, look, you have a lot of current 285 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:30.600 and former military on this chat, and some people, you know, 286 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:32.759 probably are Donald Trump fans, and some are not, and 287 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:35.639 some are neutral. But but but you know, assuming that 288 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.960 Jeffrey Goldberg's right and they provided the actual and this 289 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.240 is this is in advance two hours before the strikes 290 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:44.960 of F eighteen of the time of the F eighteen 291 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:47.879 sorties and their targets, that is putting US Navy pilots 292 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:50.600 at risk. And I'm sorry, I have I do have 293 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:53.000 actiduty friends in the military and they are appalled at this. 294 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:55.639 And he said, and they said, their troops are talking 295 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:57.399 about this too, like hold on a second, like that 296 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:01.320 kind of information advanced strike planning in terms of specific 297 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:05.399 targets and locations of the platforms used. You know, thank 298 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.039 god this wasn't intercepted by a hostile actor and that 299 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:12.159 wasn't passed to the Hoofies. Yeah, the Hoothies do have 300 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:14.559 air defense, and so you put US forces at risk. 301 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:18.360 You gotta explain, you know, you gotta explain yourself. That 302 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:21.480 to me, is is is probably the most egregious part 303 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:23.600 of this. People Americans could have died because of this. 304 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:26.200 Yeah, well, I mean, like, listen, I'm sure you're not 305 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:29.480 supposed to use signal for talka even about like the 306 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:36.919 broadest strategic like policy and stuff like that. But that 307 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:41.440 that part of the conversation wasn't really that spicy outside 308 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:45.480 of like kind of gossipy spicy until heg Seth dropped 309 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:50.759 the you know, the plans that we haven't seen of 310 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:51.960 the strike, what's going on? 311 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:53.159 What's what you know what I mean. 312 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:55.879 Like yep, and and let's let's ge and so so 313 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:58.759 again that is that's kind of the holy grail here. 314 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.519 That was the oh crap, because people do use signal 315 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:05.399 for stuff that they probably shouldn't across administrations, but not 316 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:08.480 to this, to this level again, that that could have 317 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:11.080 gotten Americans killed. I want to make one point. You know, 318 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.759 I love the show. I love coming on. I've been 319 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:14.320 on a million times. I'm sure I come on and 320 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:16.279 some people get pissed because they know I'm a Trump critic, 321 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:19.759 But I would remind folks who are listening here that 322 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.639 and and of course I have a I'm a contributor 323 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.600 for MSNBC. But during the Afghan withdrawal, which was a debacle, 324 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:30.519 I went on MSNBC literally every day on Morning Joe 325 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.919 and other places, and I slammed the Biden administration mercilessly, 326 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:35.759 to the point where I think people are starting to 327 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:37.679 get pissed at me. But I was so outraged at 328 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:39.799 what happened because why because I call it like I 329 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.039 see it, and what I what I would ask that 330 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.559 kind of the more conservative, you know, members of your audience, Uh, 331 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.120 just just step back and take a look and say, look, 332 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:51.159 it's okay when an administration screws up, they have to 333 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:55.759 take responsibility, they have to take ownership of this. Defending them. 334 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.519 Uh uh, you know, to to the t is just 335 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:02.440 you know, is is it goes to a level of 336 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:06.759 kind of you know, being out there in the middle 337 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:08.799 and in the middle of nowhere that I that I 338 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:10.359 can't even believe. You know, there's a there's a friend 339 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:13.240 of mine. He's a very conservative. He writes for The 340 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:16.640 Washington Examiner. His name is Tom Rogan. Great national security 341 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:20.839 journalists and I'll just I'll read you a tweet he 342 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:23.279 put out and which I think is really important, and 343 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:25.359 he said, if your perspective is that the Signal chat 344 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:28.920 controversy is just media bias or democratic partisanship, you either 345 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:32.400 don't understand basic million military operations, or more simply, you 346 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:35.720 just don't give a shit about carrier air wing one aviators, 347 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:38.640 meaning that that even on the conservative side of the House. 348 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:41.000 Tom Rogan conservative, he writes for The Examiner, He's a 349 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:42.599 friend of mine. I do have friends on the right, 350 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.480 actually a lot of them. He gets it, you know. 351 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:47.119 And and and what he's saying is like, yeah, this 352 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:50.160 is not good. Sorry, and no amount of bullshit and 353 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.160 spin is gonna is gonna kind of come around in this. 354 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:54.160 And so there's there's got to be some accountability. 355 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:54.519 Yeah. 356 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.839 Well, earlier today on Fox News, Tom K Senator Tom 357 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:02.920 Conton came out and said that the Biden administration actually 358 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:07.079 approved signal as a reviews, which is which is not true. 359 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:10.160 Uh So, like you have not. 360 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.599 Only just the administration doing it from the press like 361 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.680 the briefing room, you have people on the hill too 362 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:19.279 that are also like, you know, trying to spin this 363 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:24.559 and it's just like it's unspinnable because the NFC spokesperson 364 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:25.279 confirmed it. 365 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:30.079 You're defending, defending the indefensible. What Tom Cotton said, it 366 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:32.480 doesn't even matter. I mean, are you are we really 367 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:34.559 gonna blame Biden for this? I mean that is pretty 368 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:36.240 extraordinary in Tom Cotton knows better? 369 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:37.839 I mean geez, I mean, well you read that in 370 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.519 the chat, in the chat that part where that was released, 371 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:45.319 like their whole media strategy was blamed Biden and the Yeah, 372 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:46.119 you know, so. 373 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:47.960 The wild thing about where I live in Northern Virginia 374 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:49.480 is that, you know, I see Tom Cotton at high 375 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:51.680 school baseball games. Josh Hawley is a senator. He lives 376 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:53.799 around the corner for me. So all these people, you know, 377 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:56.559 and they all know better. And so you know, we 378 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:58.640 live in this weird bubble in DC where you look 379 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:00.559 at people and you just you know, you know, they 380 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.279 don't believe this, but they just feel like they have 381 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.200 to say it because they have to blindly defend the administration. 382 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:07.880 Uh. 383 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:09.720 You know what I would like to see is and 384 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:12.559 I watched this closely again, I have friends over at Fox. 385 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:14.160 I want to see some Fox News. You know Brit 386 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:16.880 Hume did. Yeah, I want to see some Fox News 387 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.839 commentators and and and uh and some of the staff 388 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:22.720 and the journalists there just come out and tell the truth. Hey, 389 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:25.599 this was just like I did on MSNBC the Afghan withdrawal. 390 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:28.559 I was merciless against the Bible. And I know, by 391 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.640 the way that that the White House watches that every morning, 392 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:33.359 and I was like, look, I have to stay credible. 393 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:35.599 So you know, it would be nice if people could 394 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:37.839 actually tell the truth right here. This is a gargantuane 395 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:40.799 fuck up. You know, there should be accountability. And then 396 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:42.640 you move on, by the way, and and here's the 397 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:44.839 here's the amazing thing. The strikes and the houthis I 398 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:48.519 totally support. I think it's actually really good that we're 399 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:49.519 taking it to the houthis. 400 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:50.960 Uh. 401 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.079