Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of eyes On. We
Speaker 1: got a special Greek Independence stage episode for you. Joined
Speaker 1: here with Mark poly Moreopolis, former obviously senior CIA officer.
Speaker 2: Uh, we're gonna go on one topic.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fast and loose about what went down
Speaker 1: yesterday with the signal chat from the article in the
Speaker 1: Atlantic which pretty much spelled out what was what.
Speaker 2: So Mark, how's it going? Man?
Speaker 1: Have you ever sent like, uh, you know, secret stuff
Speaker 1: to people on signal, like while you were working just
Speaker 1: to you with Jack?
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, no, Well, first of all, I
Speaker 3: think there's this is this is a significant because now
Speaker 3: the two Greeks have taken over the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no more marines, just Greek.
Speaker 3: No more marines, and you know, another riff raft around
Speaker 3: and so uh, this is important. It is Greek Independence Day.
Speaker 3: And we could probably do a whole podcast on how
Speaker 3: our fellow Greek Americans were kind of snowed so many
Speaker 3: of them into into the Maga world. But that's for
Speaker 3: another time. So I will just say that. I will
Speaker 3: note I was not invited as a in my view,
Speaker 3: as I am a prominent Greek American, I was not
Speaker 3: invited to the White house yesterday.
Speaker 2: I saw some of my I knew a couple of
Speaker 2: kids that were there.
Speaker 3: Right right, So so I get and so the way
Speaker 3: I put it out on social media, I guess they lost,
Speaker 3: you know, my invitation.
Speaker 2: In the mail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you probably didn't even you probably didn't
Speaker 1: give money to like the inauguration or some shit, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean to get the.
Speaker 3: NBA, I did not do that, but but thanks for
Speaker 3: having me on d Really an astonishing twenty four hours
Speaker 3: with this explosive report in The Atlantic, which I think,
Speaker 3: you know, for many of us in the national security world,
Speaker 3: you know, left us kind of gobsmacked. And that's, by
Speaker 3: the way, it's on both sides of the aisle. So
Speaker 3: you're gonna see a whole bunch of kind of Republican
Speaker 3: spin on this, necessarily saying it didn't happen, but downplaying it.
Speaker 3: But in private, every single you know, Republican national security
Speaker 3: official that I know is equally as alarmed about what happened,
Speaker 3: because in essence, and just to kind of summarize a
Speaker 3: little bit, Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of the Atlantic,
Speaker 3: was somehow added to what is called what was called
Speaker 3: in a signal Chat, the Hoothy Small Group and.
Speaker 2: Chiefs Principal Committee.
Speaker 3: The Hoothy PC Small Group. Now that, by the way,
Speaker 3: is the exact name that is used in such small
Speaker 3: discussions that of course usually are held in the situation room.
Speaker 3: So just the name itself is very revealing that this
Speaker 3: is almost certainly true. But in it individuals including the
Speaker 3: Vice President and then representatives from some other you know,
Speaker 3: national security agencies. Mike Waltz, I guess was the one
Speaker 3: who organized this, the National Security Advisor. But there was
Speaker 3: clearly classified discussions that were including you know, war plans,
Speaker 3: and we'll address that in a second. But I think
Speaker 3: what was what was stunning for many of us is that,
Speaker 3: you know, Signal is a encrypted chat. It's pretty good.
Speaker 3: In fact, I use it to talk to a lot
Speaker 3: of people. It is considered though by the US government
Speaker 3: to be unclassified. It is absolutely not appropriate to have,
Speaker 3: whether it's confidential, secret or top secret information on it, period,
Speaker 3: end of story. And so I think that's what kind
Speaker 3: of shocked a lot of people. Uh, there is something
Speaker 3: else in which, you know that we can talk all
Speaker 3: about the irony of this, But as a as a
Speaker 3: CIA alumnus of retiree, and I know there's other people
Speaker 3: who you certainly have here, you know, Mick mulroy, my
Speaker 3: good friend. We all received on March twelfth an unclassified
Speaker 3: email and you can't make this up from this CIA
Speaker 3: alumni organization unclassified warning about what the dangers of signal,
Speaker 3: the vulnerable signal, and then we have our current director
Speaker 3: using signal or in partsticipating in this chat. Of course,
Speaker 3: this was generated by the National Security Advisor Mike Waltson.
Speaker 3: So there's just a staggering level of hypocrisy here. So
Speaker 3: you know, there's so many things to think about. Then
Speaker 3: there's of course the content of it itself on the
Speaker 3: policy side, which is really interesting, and you know, we
Speaker 3: can kind of address these things kind of piecemeal. But
Speaker 3: bottom line on this is that this seems to be
Speaker 3: a very serious breach of national security information. Signal is
Speaker 3: not secure for this type of content, and you know,
Speaker 3: let's see what happens again. In one of the another
Speaker 3: incredible ironies today and tomorrow, the entire national security establishment,
Speaker 3: including Telsey Gabber, the d and I, John Radcliffe, the
Speaker 3: CI director, Cash would tell the FBI Director, are all
Speaker 3: testifying today in front of the Senate Select Committee on
Speaker 3: Intelligence and an open hearing that starts at ten am,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, tomorrow in front of the House Permanent
Speaker 3: Select Committee on Intelligence. I mean, talk about incredible timing.
Speaker 3: And these are important briefings because it's the Worldwide Threat Assessment,
Speaker 3: but I would imagine it's going to be dominated by
Speaker 3: this issue.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you saw Pete HeiG Set's response when he
Speaker 1: got off of his airplane, which he was obviously aware
Speaker 1: because Goldberg Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of the Atlantic,
Speaker 1: who was put into this group chat, and The Atlantic
Speaker 1: asked for a comment early in the morning before the
Speaker 1: story went out, so they were well aware of this story.
Speaker 1: And he Sets just went into some kind of like
Speaker 1: kind of like a rant, denying everything and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: even after the NSC.
Speaker 3: Fucking you know, you know confirmed it. Well, right, I
Speaker 3: mean that's the thing, so you know, no one's story
Speaker 3: is straight. I think a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 3: and we can, you know, we can we can kind
Speaker 3: of dive into the players in this. I think a
Speaker 3: lot of people had faith that Marco Rubio, the Secretary
Speaker 3: of State, would be responsible national security official. He's on
Speaker 3: this chat, that's unfortunate Mike Waaltz, who was a former
Speaker 3: Green Beret. I think it's disappointing that that he certainly
Speaker 3: didn't understand the gravity of the security breach here. I mean,
Speaker 3: he initiated the chat. But Pete Hegseth's you know, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, plainside kind of diatribe against Jeffrey Goldberg was
Speaker 3: just ludicrous. Yeah, and I think that does bring into
Speaker 3: question his both his suitability and his qualifications as Secretary
Speaker 3: of Defense and in the White House this morning is
Speaker 3: again is on full on denial mode. I mean, I
Speaker 3: guess what they're going to say is number one, somehow
Speaker 3: that signal was appropriate for this, which is of course
Speaker 3: not accurate. The biggest comment they'll have is that, well
Speaker 3: they someone inadvertently invited to journalist into the chat, and
Speaker 3: then then they're going to deny that these war plans
Speaker 3: were we're discussed. And I will just say that, you know,
Speaker 3: for Jeffrey Goldberg to so, it seemed to me he
Speaker 3: acted responsible. The Atlantic did not report what was actually
Speaker 3: the content of it. But there's a lot of swirl
Speaker 3: going around in Washington that this had to do with
Speaker 3: you know, precise tar It's number of aircraft used literally
Speaker 3: timing of the sorties, the intelligence that was going to
Speaker 3: be used on the ground to help guide.
Speaker 2: Some of the strikes.
Speaker 3: And so presumably the Atlantic has this stuff and you know,
Speaker 3: so so you know, the White House denials, you know,
Speaker 3: are kind of interesting because at some point, you know,
Speaker 3: someone's not telling the truth, and it certainly seems to
Speaker 3: be that the White House is spinning. Now there's also
Speaker 3: some reports that Mike Wallas's Jeopardy might job might be injestiy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's probably because for two reasons. One is
Speaker 3: that this embarrassed the administration. Trump doesn't like this. But
Speaker 3: what's really interesting and maybe we can you know, I
Speaker 3: think we can establish the fact that this was an
Speaker 3: extraordinary security breach. Let me also say d that you know,
Speaker 3: myself or or any others in the national security world,
Speaker 3: if we had done this, put this type of information
Speaker 3: on signal, we would not only be fired, would probably
Speaker 3: be prosecuted. So let's just flat out yeah, double enormous.
Speaker 3: But the content of the actual messages and then we
Speaker 3: can dive into that for a second. I know, this
Speaker 3: is a quick emergence. POD's fascinating because it shows policy
Speaker 3: differences you have JD. Vance, who is not advocating for
Speaker 3: the strikes. You then you have Stephen Miller, the Deputy
Speaker 3: Chief of Staff, then coming in from kind of left
Speaker 3: field and saying, hey, this is what the president wants
Speaker 3: to do. It an end of story, and JD. Vance
Speaker 3: kind of comes in, and then there's this kind of
Speaker 3: discussion between Vance and Pete Hegseth shipping all over the
Speaker 3: Europeans saying how pathetically now, of course in Europe, and
Speaker 3: I have a lot of friends in Europe, I certainly
Speaker 3: have a lot of contact with your former national security
Speaker 3: officials there. They're focused on that. They're like, holy crap,
Speaker 3: these fuckers really do hate us. These are internal communications,
Speaker 3: and so I think in some ways President Trump is
Speaker 3: probably pissed as well, because this shows some fissures within
Speaker 3: the administration, and the Vance actually saying in one of
Speaker 3: the chats basically, you know, the President really doesn't get
Speaker 3: it here, so it's a bit embarrassing for him. So again,
Speaker 3: there's so many facets of this. There's the security breach,
Speaker 3: there's the incompetence of inviting a reporter, and then there's
Speaker 3: the content of of of the exchanges, which which do
Speaker 3: show some of the inner kind of workings of the
Speaker 3: Trump administration, you know, perhaps some of the of the
Speaker 3: of the fishers there, uh and uh and so uh.
Speaker 3: It's a this is this is a scandal for the ages.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, not to get too hyperbolic, but
Speaker 3: I've never seen something like this. And again the notion
Speaker 3: people use signal all over Washington. National security officials use
Speaker 3: signal and and probably at times they do so on
Speaker 3: policy issues that they shouldn't. They do not put in
Speaker 3: stripe plans, right, they don't run a small group.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Again, this is a this is a meeting that should
Speaker 3: be held in the situation room. And the other part too.
Speaker 3: D It's important to note there's a massive communications infrastructure
Speaker 3: that all of these officials have at their disposal that
Speaker 3: follow them around both sat at their house and mobile. Like,
Speaker 3: this is no reason to do this other than laziness.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Even Mick, who is Deputy Assistant Secretary, said he's like,
Speaker 1: there is a there's a you know, a proteo call
Speaker 1: to this. We get secure talent like communications from laptops
Speaker 1: to phones even, right, so you can have these kind
Speaker 1: of conversations without putting it on a commercial app. That yeah,
Speaker 1: it might be encrypted, but like my question is like
Speaker 1: if your phone's compromised, they can't see what you're typing
Speaker 1: and signal.
Speaker 3: If your phone compromised, the whole whole thing's compromise. I
Speaker 3: mean again, signal is not approved for this, right And
Speaker 3: let me just say once again the CIA Alumni Association
Speaker 3: on March twelfth and an unclassified letter that we all got,
Speaker 3: and I say I can say this because its unclassified
Speaker 3: basically gave us guysance that signal was was it was
Speaker 3: not secure, was vulnerable, and there's here's some things you
Speaker 3: can do to kind of tighten stuff up. And one
Speaker 3: of the things that that it's still we still don't
Speaker 3: know d is you know signals usually used on your phone?
Speaker 3: Sure so these are are these the personal phones of
Speaker 3: these US government officials? Again a massive violation. The final
Speaker 3: piece on this is Steve Whitcough that you know the
Speaker 3: Middle East slash you know Russia Ukraine envoy was actually
Speaker 3: traveling in Russia and apparently he joined the chat on
Speaker 3: his on his phone. Again Russia being a denied area
Speaker 3: along with Beijing, a place where you would never do this.
Speaker 3: And again at any ordinary national security official would be
Speaker 3: fired and perhaps prosecuted if they had done it. So,
Speaker 3: you know, the double standard is enormous, enormous, and I
Speaker 3: would say, look, this was a mistake, got it, but
Speaker 3: it's worth pointing out. And I'm sorry. You know, maybe
Speaker 3: some listeners won't like this, but the incredible, incredible hypocrisy,
Speaker 3: and you could do maybe this is a this is
Speaker 3: a good project for you die alongside whenever this this
Speaker 3: this pod comes out, you could do a compilation of
Speaker 3: Hegseth Tulsey, Gabbard, John Ratcliffe, uh and uh, certainly Mike
Speaker 3: Waltz and how they eviscerated Hillary Clinton for the whole
Speaker 3: issue with her server on and Marco Ruby as well,
Speaker 3: on and on and on and frankly, this issue and
Speaker 3: the Hillary server issue was a real one. That's not
Speaker 3: good what she did. This is far worse because again
Speaker 3: we have to see if you know, if as Jeffrey
Speaker 3: Goldberg claims, and again I can't imagine this is not true,
Speaker 3: because this is this is putting The Atlantic, which is
Speaker 3: incredibly successful, Unlike what President Trump said in the interview,
Speaker 3: he did incredibly successful, profitable magazine in Washington, which has
Speaker 3: an enormous readership of over you know, a million subscribers.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't put their reputation on the line on this,
Speaker 3: and so you know, the truth is eventually gonna gonna
Speaker 3: come out. I mean, you know, just they're they're they're
Speaker 3: kind of the administration is hanging on on the precipice
Speaker 3: right here.
Speaker 1: So there's some word that I mean, and this is
Speaker 1: just speculation that the reason why Jeffrey Goldberg was added
Speaker 1: to the chat is because Mike Waltz regularly leaks some stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, look, I have a Signal chat.
Speaker 3: I have a ton of contacts on there, and every
Speaker 3: once in a while I do it. I do a
Speaker 3: request to someone and it's the wrong person and I go,
Speaker 3: oh shit, I didn't mean this because I've listed as
Speaker 3: Keith or D or something like that. You know, I
Speaker 3: have more than one friend who's D. And afterwards, as
Speaker 3: I'm having a chat with them, I'm like, holy crap,
Speaker 3: I'm actually talking to the wrong person. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: it's not in your contact list unless you have a
Speaker 3: reason to have contacted them before, right, And by the way,
Speaker 3: it's not you know, And so yeah, I mean that,
Speaker 3: you know, that's that's a that's something that Mike Waltz
Speaker 3: probably has some explaining to do.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, listen, I'm sure this is not like
Speaker 1: that's just name it done Washington, by the way, that's normal, correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's the editor in chief too. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure he's definitely leave them stuff. But what or at
Speaker 1: least got in comment or something.
Speaker 3: I think Goldberg is a powerful figure here who has
Speaker 3: enormous respect. I mean, you know, he's a Trump critic,
Speaker 3: there's no doubt about that. Yeah, he's written extensively about
Speaker 3: you know, Trump's kind of disdain for the US military,
Speaker 3: and there's been controversy back and forth. But there's nothing
Speaker 3: that that Goldberg that I've seen that he's done that
Speaker 3: is actually not accurate. Now the White House is spinning
Speaker 3: this hegxeth did and this morning the press, the White
Speaker 3: House Press Secretary again, they're you know, they're they're doubling down. Look,
Speaker 3: the Donald Trump method when a scandal hits is literally
Speaker 3: to deny it it didn't happen, even if it's you
Speaker 3: right in the face. You know, this is what he learned.
Speaker 3: This is what they do. And I think they probably
Speaker 3: think that because Republicans are so scared of them Republicans
Speaker 3: on the Hill that they can weather this, and they might.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the amazing definitely will. Yeah, And so
Speaker 3: so you know, should people lose their jobs over this?
Speaker 3: Absolutely will? They probably not, But there's there's there's something
Speaker 3: to you know, look, you have a lot of current
Speaker 3: and former military on this chat, and some people, you know,
Speaker 3: probably are Donald Trump fans, and some are not, and
Speaker 3: some are neutral. But but but you know, assuming that
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Goldberg's right and they provided the actual and this
Speaker 3: is this is in advance two hours before the strikes
Speaker 3: of F eighteen of the time of the F eighteen
Speaker 3: sorties and their targets, that is putting US Navy pilots
Speaker 3: at risk. And I'm sorry, I have I do have
Speaker 3: actiduty friends in the military and they are appalled at this.
Speaker 3: And he said, and they said, their troops are talking
Speaker 3: about this too, like hold on a second, like that
Speaker 3: kind of information advanced strike planning in terms of specific
Speaker 3: targets and locations of the platforms used. You know, thank
Speaker 3: god this wasn't intercepted by a hostile actor and that
Speaker 3: wasn't passed to the Hoofies. Yeah, the Hoothies do have
Speaker 3: air defense, and so you put US forces at risk.
Speaker 3: You gotta explain, you know, you gotta explain yourself. That
Speaker 3: to me, is is is probably the most egregious part
Speaker 3: of this. People Americans could have died because of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, like, listen, I'm sure you're not
Speaker 1: supposed to use signal for talka even about like the
Speaker 1: broadest strategic like policy and stuff like that. But that
Speaker 1: that part of the conversation wasn't really that spicy outside
Speaker 1: of like kind of gossipy spicy until heg Seth dropped
Speaker 1: the you know, the plans that we haven't seen of
Speaker 1: the strike, what's going on?
Speaker 2: What's what you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like yep, and and let's let's ge and so so
Speaker 3: again that is that's kind of the holy grail here.
Speaker 3: That was the oh crap, because people do use signal
Speaker 3: for stuff that they probably shouldn't across administrations, but not
Speaker 3: to this, to this level again, that that could have
Speaker 3: gotten Americans killed. I want to make one point. You know,
Speaker 3: I love the show. I love coming on. I've been
Speaker 3: on a million times. I'm sure I come on and
Speaker 3: some people get pissed because they know I'm a Trump critic,
Speaker 3: But I would remind folks who are listening here that
Speaker 3: and and of course I have a I'm a contributor
Speaker 3: for MSNBC. But during the Afghan withdrawal, which was a debacle,
Speaker 3: I went on MSNBC literally every day on Morning Joe
Speaker 3: and other places, and I slammed the Biden administration mercilessly,
Speaker 3: to the point where I think people are starting to
Speaker 3: get pissed at me. But I was so outraged at
Speaker 3: what happened because why because I call it like I
Speaker 3: see it, and what I what I would ask that
Speaker 3: kind of the more conservative, you know, members of your audience, Uh,
Speaker 3: just just step back and take a look and say, look,
Speaker 3: it's okay when an administration screws up, they have to
Speaker 3: take responsibility, they have to take ownership of this. Defending them.
Speaker 3: Uh uh, you know, to to the t is just
Speaker 3: you know, is is it goes to a level of
Speaker 3: kind of you know, being out there in the middle
Speaker 3: and in the middle of nowhere that I that I
Speaker 3: can't even believe. You know, there's a there's a friend
Speaker 3: of mine. He's a very conservative. He writes for The
Speaker 3: Washington Examiner. His name is Tom Rogan. Great national security
Speaker 3: journalists and I'll just I'll read you a tweet he
Speaker 3: put out and which I think is really important, and
Speaker 3: he said, if your perspective is that the Signal chat
Speaker 3: controversy is just media bias or democratic partisanship, you either
Speaker 3: don't understand basic million military operations, or more simply, you
Speaker 3: just don't give a shit about carrier air wing one aviators,
Speaker 3: meaning that that even on the conservative side of the House.
Speaker 3: Tom Rogan conservative, he writes for The Examiner, He's a
Speaker 3: friend of mine. I do have friends on the right,
Speaker 3: actually a lot of them. He gets it, you know.
Speaker 3: And and and what he's saying is like, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is not good. Sorry, and no amount of bullshit and
Speaker 3: spin is gonna is gonna kind of come around in this.
Speaker 3: And so there's there's got to be some accountability.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, earlier today on Fox News, Tom K Senator Tom
Speaker 1: Conton came out and said that the Biden administration actually
Speaker 1: approved signal as a reviews, which is which is not true.
Speaker 2: Uh So, like you have not.
Speaker 1: Only just the administration doing it from the press like
Speaker 1: the briefing room, you have people on the hill too
Speaker 1: that are also like, you know, trying to spin this
Speaker 1: and it's just like it's unspinnable because the NFC spokesperson
Speaker 1: confirmed it.
Speaker 3: You're defending, defending the indefensible. What Tom Cotton said, it
Speaker 3: doesn't even matter. I mean, are you are we really
Speaker 3: gonna blame Biden for this? I mean that is pretty
Speaker 3: extraordinary in Tom Cotton knows better?
Speaker 1: I mean geez, I mean, well you read that in
Speaker 1: the chat, in the chat that part where that was released,
Speaker 1: like their whole media strategy was blamed Biden and the Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so.
Speaker 3: The wild thing about where I live in Northern Virginia
Speaker 3: is that, you know, I see Tom Cotton at high
Speaker 3: school baseball games. Josh Hawley is a senator. He lives
Speaker 3: around the corner for me. So all these people, you know,
Speaker 3: and they all know better. And so you know, we
Speaker 3: live in this weird bubble in DC where you look
Speaker 3: at people and you just you know, you know, they
Speaker 3: don't believe this, but they just feel like they have
Speaker 3: to say it because they have to blindly defend the administration.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know what I would like to see is and
Speaker 3: I watched this closely again, I have friends over at Fox.
Speaker 3: I want to see some Fox News. You know Brit
Speaker 3: Hume did. Yeah, I want to see some Fox News
Speaker 3: commentators and and and uh and some of the staff
Speaker 3: and the journalists there just come out and tell the truth. Hey,
Speaker 3: this was just like I did on MSNBC the Afghan withdrawal.
Speaker 3: I was merciless against the Bible. And I know, by
Speaker 3: the way that that the White House watches that every morning,
Speaker 3: and I was like, look, I have to stay credible.
Speaker 3: So you know, it would be nice if people could
Speaker 3: actually tell the truth right here. This is a gargantuane
Speaker 3: fuck up. You know, there should be accountability. And then
Speaker 3: you move on, by the way, and and here's the
Speaker 3: here's the amazing thing. The strikes and the houthis I
Speaker 3: totally support. I think it's actually really good that we're
Speaker 3: taking it to the houthis.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: But that's not the issue here. And so I think
Speaker 3: they're you know, well, we'll see in the in the
Speaker 3: in the kind of the days of weeks ahead. The
Speaker 3: one thing d is that you never know because some
Speaker 3: other kind of nationalists, what's going to happen tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And that's maybe this kind of goes there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some scandal like Elon's gonna do something, or something's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be it's gonna fade away. It might
Speaker 1: carry on for today because and tomorrow because the hearings
Speaker 1: going on, and that's going to become what this is about, the.
Speaker 2: Hearings for sure.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't see it lasting more than a
Speaker 1: few days because there's only there's something else on the
Speaker 1: horizon coming well.
Speaker 3: I mean, and and again there's you know, there's there
Speaker 3: are things that actually, I mean, the American people should
Speaker 3: care about this. Military veterans and active duties should care
Speaker 3: about this. People in the national security world. But you
Speaker 3: know what, there's also you know, the the kind of
Speaker 3: the Trump administration's whole process on DOGE and now this
Speaker 3: kind of assault on social security. I mean, that's what
Speaker 3: Americans are really going to care about. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 3: who knows. But but again, go to emergency Pod. We
Speaker 3: needed to do this, Yeah, which is good. I was
Speaker 3: fired up. And uh and again I would just I
Speaker 3: would just kind of you know, urge urge listeners to
Speaker 3: keep an open mind, because you know, when something bad happens,
Speaker 3: you got to call it out. You call it out
Speaker 3: on both sides. And that's what that's that's what I
Speaker 3: try to do. I certainly know that's what you and
Speaker 3: the teamhouse always try to do as well.
Speaker 1: Well, I was talking to somebody, a couple of people, yes,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, listen, me and my half criminal friends
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn have better op sect than these guys do.
Speaker 1: It's like, what do we what are you guys even thinking?
Speaker 1: Like maybe having the policy discussion about the strategy, that's
Speaker 1: one thing, for sure, fine, But once like Pete Hex
Speaker 1: has dropping like a PDF of like here's the whole
Speaker 1: plan of what we're gonna do, names, targets, everything in
Speaker 1: a signal chat. I mean it's like, dude, they must
Speaker 1: have given a briefing when you on your first day, right,
Speaker 1: like they must.
Speaker 3: Have given and by this signal again that unclassified message
Speaker 3: from the CIA Alumni Association located at CIA Headquarters instructing retirees,
Speaker 3: that signal is not sure. I mean that's on mark twelve,
Speaker 3: and I believe that in February of the NSA National
Speaker 3: Security Agency did the same thing, put out an unclassified
Speaker 3: but as well, you can't make.
Speaker 1: This up, you know, no, it's it's unbelievable dead and
Speaker 1: just the title of the whole the title of the
Speaker 1: piece in The Atlantic was wasilarious, hilarious and also scary,
Speaker 1: Like the Trump administration sent me the war plan for
Speaker 1: It's insane? All right, Mark, Mark probably moreopolis check him out.
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Speaker 1: new podcast is Cook and I know it is.
Speaker 2: I can't talk about it, but stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for that And if you want to support
Speaker 1: the show, Patreon dot com slash the teamhouse.
Speaker 2: Thanks Mark, this is awesome.
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