WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:02.040 This show is brought to you by the four Finger 2 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:05.080 Discount Patreon, where you'll find over one hundred hours of 3 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:09.679 bonus podcasts, including exclusive Simpsons reviews and commentaries, as well 4 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:12.839 as exclusive episodes of Going Down to South Park, tales 5 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:17.120 of Futurama, Bob's Pods, Speaking of the Hill, Talking Seifeld, 6 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:20.039 The One About Friends, and so much more. So go 7 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:23.239 ahead and join the family today at patreon dot com 8 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:24.359 slash four finger Discount. 9 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:28.960 Well, if you never forget anything, tell me this what 10 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:32.320 colored tie am I wearing? You are wearing a red 11 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:35.880 and white striped club tie in a half winter or not? 12 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:36.439 Oh? 13 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:39.840 I am am? I is that what you think? Well, 14 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:42.840 if that is what you think, I have something to 15 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:47.560 tell you, something that may shock and discredit you. And 16 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:52.119 that thing is as follows. I'm not wearing a tie 17 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:52.600 at all. 18 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:08.920 That was pretty good, Pretty good. 19 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:11.359 I wasn't trying too hardy or sore throat. This is 20 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:13.879 Guy on Springfield, a review of margin chains here on 21 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:14.879 four Finger Discount. 22 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:17.640 I'm Dan O, he is, I'm Guy on Springfield, and yes, 23 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:20.640 welcome to the podcast. That is wesp quiet. Yeah, I 24 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.640 hope that worked hurt my ears quite a lot. I 25 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:26.560 didn't clip the audio too bad. Welcome to Margin Chains 26 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:28.400 and Guy on Springfield. Yeah, what do you think of 27 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:30.640 this episode? Just quickly, I didn't like this one as 28 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:33.400 much as I've liked previous Guy on Springfield's right, there's 29 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.640 a lot to love about the episode. There's also as 30 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:38.159 a parent, now there's a lot you can relate to, 31 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.560 particularly in that opening act. But for me, March episodes, 32 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:45.959 especially when I was younger, there were never ones that 33 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:48.439 I gravitated towards. There were never ones that I went oh, 34 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.159 oh bye a March episode, right. Same with Lisa. As 35 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.359 I get older, I've said that I, you know, find 36 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:56.120 that I'm more lucky Lisa than I realized when I 37 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:58.000 was younger, And that's because the writers use her as 38 00:01:58.040 --> 00:02:00.079 their voice, and I think I'm just getting older and 39 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.079 becoming a middle aged man. But the other thing with 40 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:06.000 March episodes is that I always found them quite boring. Now, 41 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.159 being a someone who's lived. 42 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:11.000 The stay at home dad podcast a lifestyle for the 43 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:14.000 last couple of years, I can really relate to someone 44 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:18.800 in Marge's position and situation and see the simplicity of 45 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:20.639 her character, and I can really relate to those kind 46 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:22.919 of elements that I when I was younger I thought 47 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:23.879 were really boring. 48 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:26.400 But now I go, hey, that's it's just like me. Okay. 49 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:28.400 So essentially what you're saying is you've grown out of 50 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.199 your hatred of and contempt for women. 51 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:32.319 Not quite great out of it, Okay, getting there. 52 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:35.479 Good. It's good that you're a work in progress. The 53 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:37.599 reason I asked that is, I mean, I was, you know, 54 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:40.759 cruising around the internet, as you know, I was cruising 55 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.000 the I was surfing the net as the kids like 56 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.560 to say, and found that there was a bit of 57 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:49.080 disdain for this episode, certainly from a particular sort of 58 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:50.840 forum and that talks about the Simpsons a lot. 59 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.159 There was like when was this forum? Was this a 60 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:56.319 recent forum? Was this one from the nineties? I don't 61 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:58.240 think it was from the nineties. Okay, because there are 62 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:00.280 some ones on like Simpson's Archive and things like that, 63 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.360 we can actually go on and see what people thought 64 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:04.240 of the episode when it first came out, which are 65 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:05.759 really interesting to go back and read. 66 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:07.840 Sometimes I'm not going to name names or throw any 67 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:09.520 particular side, but they were not. 68 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:12.080 They throw the review out there, then we can name 69 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:13.360 names who didn't like it. 70 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:14.719 It was no Homers, No. 71 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.039 Homes's not y Yeah. Friends of the pod. 72 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:18.520 Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. There was a lot of yeah 73 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.120 talk on there about it. I didn't like this episode 74 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:22.759 at all. Yeah, and for what reason? They had various reasons. 75 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.719 I think they One of the main issues that people 76 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.360 had was they thought that it was quite actually misogynistic, 77 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:34.159 and I think they was specifically focusing on the seeming 78 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:38.680 glee that our Poo and s took in taking their 79 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:40.919 march with one line in particular, we can talk about 80 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:42.800 a little bit later, putting the bitch on ice, the 81 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:43.360 bitch on ice. 82 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:43.599 Yeah. 83 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:44.159 Here's the thing. 84 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.560 I don't see it as misogynistic because if I'm watching 85 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:49.400 this and I've got a whole bit about this, I 86 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:51.479 see a Pooh and Sanjay as the real vielains of 87 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:53.479 this episode. They're the ones you're not supposed to like, 88 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:57.159 I don't think because I think it. Poo's despicable throughout 89 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:00.759 this and it's just completely ridiculous length. He's willing to 90 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:02.800 take this for someone who he knows much, right, he 91 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:05.319 knows so well, is one of his best customers. They 92 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:09.000 granted they do have snakes steel his store, right, that's karma. 93 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:11.360 But I don't think it's enough calm and to justify 94 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:15.400 us to not forgive approve for us to go, oh, well, 95 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:16.600 at least he got what was coming to him. I 96 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:17.800 don't think it's enough because you know in the next 97 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:19.040 episode he's getting his store back. 98 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:22.839 That's true. Now, Having said that, they do allude to 99 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:24.360 the fact that the QUICKI Mart does have a pair 100 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:25.879 and Company. I hope I'm not stepping on one of 101 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:30.040 my trivia questions. I don't know. To counteract this claim 102 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.959 and misogyny, I would maybe have that pair and company, 103 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:35.959 like going down hard on our poo and sign Jay 104 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:39.920 saying no, no prosecute, we don't negotiate with terrorists kind 105 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:41.680 of deal. You need to show that, you do need 106 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:42.000 to show. 107 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.279 I know they did throw it in there because this 108 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:46.480 was the first episode ever written by Bill Oakley and 109 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:47.199 Josh Weinstein. 110 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:47.800 That's correct. 111 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:50.120 Probably my favorite showrunners in the history of The Simpsons. 112 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:53.040 My peaky of the Simpsons for me personally is season 113 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:54.439 seven and eight, and that's when they were in charge 114 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:55.600 of the show. I just think that's when the show 115 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:59.560 was at its best. This is the first one they wrote. Apparently, 116 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:02.879 They're Ripped was very different to what we got in 117 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:04.319 the end, which I'm going to delve in a little 118 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:06.800 bit further now, Bill and Josh they did throw that 119 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.959 they're sticklers for details, and they threw in that line 120 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:12.279 about the parent company, probably for that reason to go 121 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:15.160 it's not just a pooh yeah, But there wasn't enough 122 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.399 to sort of he was going along with it weight 123 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:18.639 he seemed to be enjoying it. 124 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:21.439 Oh yeah, No, that's what was annoying me. Way too 125 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:25.040 much satisfaction in the Downfall of March. Yeah, everybody was. 126 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.600 Everyone just jumped off the bam bag and threw under 127 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:30.680 a bus, and it's like, yes, yes, she accidentally had 128 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.160 a bottle of bourbon in her pocket. 129 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:32.800 That's for me. 130 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:36.000 What this is My negative of the episode was it 131 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:39.720 felt a bit far fetched the lengths in which this 132 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.000 town and the people were going to to hammer down 133 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:45.160 Marge for accidentally having a bottle of bourbon in her pocket. 134 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:50.000 To the point where I'm going in the in reality, right, 135 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:52.600 I know, this isn't reality, it's the Simpsons, it's Springfield. 136 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.519 But are we supposed to believe that a she would 137 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:57.720 be even be found guilty, there would even be a 138 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:00.319 court case? Really for this one, there's no prize, and 139 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.040 like someone like Judge Schneider would actually send this mother 140 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.839 of three children to prison for it. It just it 141 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:06.759 just seems silly. 142 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:08.720 This kind of ties into suding I want to talk about, 143 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:10.920 because yeah, there's been a lot of to do about 144 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:13.360 the Simpsons predicted this and the Simpsons predicted that, and 145 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.680 this is regarded a very pressioned episode in terms of like, oh, 146 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:20.079 well the ohsaka blue equals COVID nineteen or tweet twenty. 147 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:22.920 This episode went viral because that people were replacing asaca 148 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:27.000 flu with coronavirus. Actually, yeah, people, we've mentioned it recently 149 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.639 a lot. People don't fact check anymore. I'm not saying 150 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:31.920 news websites in particular, but just fans, you know, even 151 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.240 just people in general, they go, oh, the Simpsons predicted it. 152 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:38.480 I had so many people sending me my personal friends 153 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:40.959 who don't really follow the Simpsons. They're Simpsons fans, they 154 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:42.639 watch the show when they're kids, but they're not diehard 155 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.079 Simpsons fans. They go, did you see the Simpsons predicta 156 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:47.800 the coldplay thing? And I go, do I have to 157 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.800 explain to everybody? I'm like, by the end, I was 158 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:52.879 just doing the laugh react you know, I couldn't. Of course, 159 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.319 I couldn't be bothered explaining it, And I don't want 160 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.600 to be that guy. Go, well, actually it's actually not real. 161 00:06:57.680 --> 00:06:59.360 You don't want to be comic book comic book guy. 162 00:06:59.399 --> 00:06:59.959 No, exactly. 163 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:03.199 So this one went viral because people were thinking they 164 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:07.279 actually predicted coronavirus, not just a flu like actual coronavirus. 165 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:11.120 Ifn it wasn't like a term in ninety three, right? 166 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:14.079 But then also, what was the other thing that the 167 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:14.959 killer bees as well? 168 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.079 Was another one? Yeah, killer Bee's equal murder hornets, and 169 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:19.839 the riot. 170 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:22.560 At the end equals I guess the Black Lives Matter, 171 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:25.160 any any uprising in the US. 172 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:28.839 Yeah. What I'm thinking is the whole town turning against 173 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:30.959 Marge is kind of emblematic of a town that's on 174 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.839 the edge. It's having its nerves frayed by Oh, there's 175 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:37.480 this virus going around. Everybody's sick, nobody's feeling good. Everybody's 176 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:39.360 kind of on the razor's edge, you know, about to 177 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:43.800 sort of snap, and the town needs escapegoat. You see it, 178 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:46.759 When all these people are outside, doctor hippensaf are saying, well, 179 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:48.480 you want a cure, We want to cure it's like flu, 180 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.360 you just need bed rest. No, no, give us bos 181 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:53.439 anything to be a placebo. Where can we get this 182 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:59.000 with ebos? Yeah, everybody is just really tightly wound, and 183 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.639 so when something say element to it, Look, that's maybe 184 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:03.319 a stretch on my part, but that's maybe how I 185 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:06.240 choose to read it. But yeah, when something goes wrong 186 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.480 and everyone has an opportunity to go not necessarily, Oh 187 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:11.240 she's the cause of other problem. Oh here's something we 188 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.399 can focus our anger on. Here's something we can maybe 189 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.319 all agree on, even if it's the most tenuous of reasons. 190 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.040 So that's one way of looking at it. 191 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:21.720 Certainly, I'm watching this going by the end of it. 192 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:25.560 I asked myself the question, what was the point of 193 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:28.240 this episode? What were they going for? Because the episode 194 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.639 is called Margin Chains, and I feel that this episode 195 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:34.039 would have been pitched as Marge goes to prison, Josh 196 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:36.840 Bill go write that. Yeah, and apparently they did a 197 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:37.480 lot of research. 198 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:41.159 They did a lot of women in prison research. I'm 199 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:42.679 wondering what that might have actually entailed. 200 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:45.600 Yeah, but a lot of realism to it. And maybe 201 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:49.519 that explains why for an episode that's called Margin Chains 202 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:51.759 and marketed as the one where Marge goes to jail. 203 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:53.879 She's not in jail all that much. 204 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:55.480 She doesn't get to jail till like the final six 205 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:59.000 or so minutes, and even then there's barely any scenes 206 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.879 in the prison that much. And we get introduced to 207 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:06.399 characters like Phillips and Annie, but not enough substance there 208 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:09.600 for us to develop any form of connection to these characters. 209 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:12.399 They're just sort of there and very forgettable, to the 210 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:14.759 point where I was going, should she had just even 211 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:16.240 gone to prison at all in the end? 212 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:19.039 Anyway? I mean, look, I'm not saying this is how 213 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:20.799 you could have done it. It could have been interesting 214 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.120 that everybody in all these women in prison are basically 215 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:25.519 in prison because they've just been pushed to the edge 216 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:28.879 by either having to do with dead bee dudes or 217 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:30.679 life pressures or something like that. 218 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:32.519 I mean, Phillips alludes to that, you know, she's got 219 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:34.480 a shitty husband and that she's stared with the Phillips 220 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:35.159 head screwdriver. 221 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.320 But yeah, you're right. I mean, for the episode being 222 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:40.120 titled margin chains, not a lot of chains. 223 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:41.759 It's the one where Marge goes to jail. That's what 224 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:43.480 it's marketed, That's what it's known for. It's the one 225 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.080 where Marge goes to prison, but she we don't even 226 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:49.960 really see her response and her having to learn to 227 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:51.120 live the prison life. 228 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:53.519 Yeah, it's not it's not exactly an episode of Orange 229 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:56.919 is the New Black. I mean, for all of it 230 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:59.519 being called margin chains. I really view this as a 231 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:02.840 line of Lart episode. Yeah, or just attribute to Phil 232 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:04.919 Harmon episode because he's just got this forgrific one two 233 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:08.679 punch of some great Troy McClure stuff and some really 234 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:11.200 great Lionel Hut stuff. Yeah, it's not really a Marge 235 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:14.000 centric episode at all. She's kind of the I guess, 236 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:18.000 the catalyst for some events, but she's almost like a yeah, 237 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:19.600 second or third string player. 238 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:22.600 I was watching this feeling like this is actually very 239 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:24.720 similar to our last guy On spoof for The Boy 240 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.240 Who Knew Too Much. A lot of it is court 241 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:27.919 case based. 242 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:29.279 There we go, something. 243 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:31.639 Happens in the start, we get a whole act about 244 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:33.399 a court case, and then in the end it's just 245 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.279 kind of like, eh, but other stuff happens. It's like, oh, Marge, 246 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:39.039 I've cooked it. I was like, it's like the sixteen 247 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.240 minute market. Now Marge is only fine to go into prison, 248 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:43.720 and even there she doesn't seem all that bothered by it. 249 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.399 The family's like, oh, we'll miss you. It's just I 250 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.600 know that a kind of somewhat emotional moment in the 251 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:50.360 court room, but I don't know, it just felt like 252 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:51.960 it wasn't that big of a dealer, mar just being 253 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:53.279 taken away for thirty days. 254 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:55.360 It's not so much her going to jail as the 255 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:58.559 smear on her reputation as well. I mean, yeah, the 256 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.600 way that particularly hell and love Helen loved you, agg. 257 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:03.320 I mean she is also to me, I've always seen 258 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:06.279 her as a villainesque character. Oh yeah, I've never She's 259 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:08.279 never had any positive traits for me, Helen love Joyce. 260 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:11.159 She's not the busybody thinks she's high and mighty when 261 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:14.559 really she's not at all and just gossips about everybody. Sure, yeah, 262 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:16.480 she's not a good person, Helen love joy. 263 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.399 No, and no sort of comic retribution for her either. No. 264 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:21.240 But at the end though, when they have the statue 265 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:23.200 from Margin, like the town's just like, hey, Margin is 266 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:24.879 a big town, welcome back, And I'm. 267 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.639 Like, what do you mean? I know what the hell 268 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:29.600 is going on? And here's the thing. Look, I know 269 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:31.840 that they've played this up for comic effect. Yea, for 270 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.799 the whole you know, we're fifteen dollars short. Look, that 271 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:38.240 gag works when it's like, oh, we're short for cinder blocks, 272 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:40.399 we can't build a children's hospital. That's funny, and that 273 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:44.279 works when it's we're fifteen dollars short exactly what Marge's 274 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:47.919 squares would be. Like everyone's shipping a dollar, everyone head dollar. 275 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.480 There you go your sword. I wouldn't. 276 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:52.159 I'm not going to say this episode fell off the 277 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:53.960 rails when Marge went to prison, because there are some 278 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:55.039 funny scenes. 279 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.879 But I don't know. The first two thirds are really good. Yeah, 280 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:00.639 the final third is like a bunch of stuff that happens. 281 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:02.399 And as I read on wiki, as we're saying, they 282 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:04.639 did a lot of research Bill and Josh about women 283 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:06.759 in prison, but much of it was later replaced. So 284 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:10.919 I'm thinking maybe this final act was their episode and 285 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:14.639 it was just the rescue stretched out and they tried 286 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:16.240 to cram in the good bits of what they could 287 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:18.879 into that final act. But there was not enough there, 288 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:22.120 There was enough. It just wasn't memorable. The final third, 289 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.279 Oh absolutely not. It just it just felt like, oh, 290 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:27.720 this is just you just trying to fill time, cramming 291 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:31.159 it in. Yeah, Phillips is just not that interesting a character. 292 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.840 Tatoo Anni is a one gag bit, like what it's 293 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:38.279 just they're tough women? Is that it essentially who fall 294 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:41.720 for easy lies from people at Barney There. 295 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:43.360 Was clearly you've never watched a little show called Love 296 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:49.519 after Locker or even Judge Judy. We saw my car 297 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:52.039 in the block. 298 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:55.759 But I just don't, I just don't think this episode 299 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.919 felt a story of two halves. It felt like the 300 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.600 court case and then it felt like quick cram in 301 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:04.000 margin prison at the very end there well, not even 302 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.960 two hards, like three thirds, because because not even the 303 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:08.919 whole final act is her in prison, because you've you've 304 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:10.720 got her coming back home, the kids trying to clean 305 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:12.720 up the house. There's all these like she disn't in 306 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:14.679 prison for like three minutes of the episode. But certainly 307 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:17.159 the first third episode, maybe the first act even is 308 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:21.120 just Springfield is infected with osaka flu and the town 309 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.840 kind of starts to fall apart as a result. For mine, Actually, no, 310 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:26.919 not the funniest the court case of the funniest, mainly 311 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:28.720 because of the whole line of hut stuff. 312 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.200 But I reckon that first third is that's the best part. 313 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:34.360 That's pretty damn But for me, the first act feels 314 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:37.919 like Golden euro Simpsons. The second act is good, it's enjoyable, 315 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.879 but it's just not a great deal happening. There's a 316 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:43.320 lot of hut stuff, right, but not a great deal happening. 317 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.159 The final bit is just whatever it is. You know, 318 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:49.440 let's wrap this up. But you can't stay in prison. No, 319 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:50.879 of course that's the thing. You watch this going when 320 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:53.759 she's going to get out thirty days anyway, that's what's 321 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:54.200 the point. 322 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.639 Yeah, But like I was saying, I mean, yeah, it's 323 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.559 not so much the prison sent as the tarnished reputation, 324 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:04.440 and that reputation needs to be restored. By the end, 325 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:08.320 it doesn't really feel like it is. It's just more like, oh, 326 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:10.679 we realized, you know what a pivotal part of the community. 327 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.039 I mean, it's not like, oh, we've cleared your record. 328 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:15.960 Oh we know that you didn't steal it or something 329 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.639 like that. I mean, you didn't necessarily need Oh look, 330 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:21.600 here's some security camera footage that shows oh she was 331 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.120 flussled or something like that, or you know. Arph says 332 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:26.120 oh gosh, I think we made a mistake with that 333 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:27.840 one or something like that. No, it's just she gets 334 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:29.840 out of prison, like we missed you, Marge. Here's a statue, 335 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:31.240 eh eh. 336 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.360 But it needed to get Marge on the stand and 337 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:35.639 have Marge explain herself, and I think that it could 338 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:37.919 have been a really emotional, nice moment of her just 339 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:40.679 saying I'm sorry, yeah, not hired. 340 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:45.200 Yeah, not even that. Have everybody else saying, yeah, it's 341 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.840 not necessarily amissible in court. But it's like we pushed 342 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.360 her too hard. She was Yeah, she was the foundation. 343 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:52.000 She was the rock that we were all sort of 344 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:52.919 relying on. 345 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:55.360 Because it feels like that's the point of this episode. 346 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:58.320 The point is them trying to say, how great is March. Yeah, yeah, 347 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.720 we'll break down with the systems, break breaks down without her, 348 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:03.960 not even just have her family do it. Have other 349 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:07.200 members of the community saying, or other female members, Marge 350 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.559 can't go to prison because of this. She you know, 351 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.120 her bakes, her marshmallow squares are what keep this bake 352 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:14.919 sale going. Just this seems trivial, but all the little 353 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:16.399 things add up, and I just think it should have 354 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.639 been a everyone in town showing her appreciation not sending 355 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:21.840 her to prison and going, oh shit, we probably shouldn't 356 00:15:21.840 --> 00:15:22.200 have done that. 357 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:24.720 Yeah, and for purely selfish reasons, because it's like, oh, 358 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:26.480 well we didn't make our fifteen bucks and the ether 359 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:29.480 we've fallen a bit short. No, she needed character witnesses. 360 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:35.000 Yeah anyway, Yeah, but hey, look that's aspect of the episode. 361 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:36.480 We weren't exactly fond of it. But I think there 362 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:38.840 was plenty of that to be very very fond of them, 363 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:39.320 all right. 364 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.840 Oh yeah, particularly the hut stuff in general. But I 365 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:43.159 was I just don't want to touch on I mentioned earlier, 366 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:45.039 but the relatability and being a stay at home dad 367 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:46.720 and me being able to sort of relate to March 368 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.840 more that scene where she is I'm not going to 369 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:51.360 say the word breakdown having a break She's not having 370 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:54.759 a breakdown in the quickie mart. But I guess it's 371 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.039 just a case of it's the overstimulation of. 372 00:15:57.039 --> 00:15:58.720 Everything put it right to the edge. 373 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:01.320 She is just there is so much going on at 374 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:04.000 home and Springfield where everyone sick except for her, so 375 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:05.720 it's up to her. It's all on her shoulders to 376 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:11.080 keep the thing afloat right. And that's pretty much life here, 377 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:13.879 not Nikola. She obviously helps out great deals. It's a 378 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.200 team here. But just even as even when there's two 379 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.480 adults in the house when the kids are sick, there 380 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.320 is so much going on and kids want this, kids 381 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:23.799 want that. The cats are hungry to the point sometimes 382 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.000 I just sit there and go, I just need a second. 383 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:29.679 Oh yeah, And it's so easy to understand how much 384 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:32.360 she didn't steal the moment. She just she forgot that 385 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.600 it was in her pocket. So easy to do. 386 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:37.440 You've only got so much bandwidth, Yeah, I say. 387 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:41.679 I compare parent life sometimes to managing a restaurant where 388 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:43.639 the customers are never satisfied and you don't get paid. 389 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:46.919 It's just there's always something that they complain that, they're 390 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:47.759 never happy that. 391 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:47.960 You know. 392 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:50.120 The kids are just being kids, right. They don't understand 393 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:53.360 the trivial aspect of their life and how the slightest 394 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.159 thing is like the greatest, the biggest thing in their world. 395 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:58.559 But sometimes I'm just getting dinner ready in Alliot It's 396 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:00.200 like I want this, and Holly's like, but he's in 397 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:04.200 that and this is happening. I'm just like stimulated. So 398 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:06.039 when I see marginal supermaker here, I'm like. 399 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:09.680 I feel your sister. Sure, it's it's it's it's hard sometimes. 400 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:11.839 And yeah, and I just thought they really really capture 401 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.759