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You'll were going 23 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:04.120 have there Edivo overby by Lost Your Conditions eighteen plus. 24 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:15.359 You are now listening to True Murder The most shocking 25 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:18.480 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 26 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:25.840 written about them. Gasey Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker VTK every 27 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:29.560 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 28 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:31.599 infamous killers in true crime history. 29 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:37.079 True Murder with your host, journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 30 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:50.519 Man watching the cup on a restaurant patio was shot 31 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:55.319 dead on a busy Sunday afternoon in Toronto. Another dies 32 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:59.799 in a sidewalk ambush just outside a bustling college campus. 33 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:05.040 Two men in a Vancouver hotel lobby are gunned down 34 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:10.039 in an attack that sends an American soccer star scrambling 35 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:14.080 for cover. In Mexico, a Canadian is killed at a 36 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:18.840 Nuevo verlarda coffee shop. His death barely registering, admits the 37 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:23.360 terrifying death tolls of President Calderon's war on drugs and 38 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:28.280 the cartel's response, while a Montreal cop is beaten within 39 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.400 an inch of his life in a playa Del Carmen nightclub. 40 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:36.800 An infamous heckler from an NBA Toronto Raptors game turns 41 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:40.400 up dead in a bullet riddled car in a midtown laneway. 42 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:45.680 Throughout the two thousand tens, these and other dispeparate acts 43 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:50.800 of violence entered the public awareness like isolated tragedies, but 44 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:56.599 there was nothing isolated about them. In this masterly investigation, 45 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:01.599 veteran journalist Peter Edwards and Louise najer E introduced listeners 46 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:04.199 to the common cause of a near decade of chaos. 47 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:09.240 Meet the wolf Pack, millennial age gangsters from across the 48 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:13.759 spectrum of Canada's underworld, vying to fast track their way 49 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.800 into the criminal void left by the death of Montreal 50 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:21.560 godfather Beatle Rizuto. The wolf Pack sought advantage in a 51 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:27.240 steady supply of cocaine from Alchapo Guzman's Sineloia cartel, among 52 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:31.560 the deadliest and most far reaching of criminal organizations. The 53 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:35.639 juniors had just stepped into the big leagues. This is 54 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:40.080 the rolling landscape of the wolf Pack, a brilliant examination 55 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:44.719 of a time of criminal disruption and rapid adaptation. When 56 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:49.879 one gang's unchecked ambition, unwittickally gave away the most hotly 57 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:55.360 contested corner of the Canadian underworld without a fight. Brazen 58 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:59.919 criminal disruptors or entitled upstarts looking to get rich without 59 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:04.000 paying their dues. Whatever you think of them, you'll never 60 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:08.319 forget the wolf Pack. The book that we're featuring this 61 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:13.680 evening is The wolf Pack, Millennial mobsters who brought chaos 62 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:18.240 and the cartels to the Canadian Underworld, with my special guest, 63 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:23.160 investigative journalist and author Peter Edwards. Welcome to the program, 64 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:25.920 and thank you very much for this interview. Peter Edwards. 65 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:27.879 Well, thanks for having me. 66 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:32.360 Dan, Thank you. That's been a little while since we've 67 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.839 last spoke. Congratulations on this book. As I had mentioned, 68 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:43.040 let's talk about just initially, because we mentioned Luis Horatio Nigeria, 69 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:50.519 tell us just about the the planning and the gestation 70 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:51.480 of this book. 71 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:57.720 Luis worked in Wars, which is right across the border 72 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:02.120 from El Paso, Texas, and he covered organized crime and 73 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.160 so he was kind of knee deep in this stuff, 74 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:10.839 and he knew twelve journalists who either were murdered or 75 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:15.560 committed suicide because of attacks on them and covered this 76 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:16.160 sort of thing. 77 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:16.560 So he. 78 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.839 Was exposed to just an extremely rough environment, sort of 79 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:24.480 like a war zone, and then his life and his 80 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:28.480 family's lives were in danger. He had gotten really credible threats, 81 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:32.240 and so he fled up to Canada. Another journalist, Jim 82 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:35.279 rank And from the Star, a nice guy who's well connected. 83 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:40.560 He introduced us and so Louise and I were kind 84 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:42.560 of looking for a project and then someone told me 85 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:47.000 about in Quebec, how there was a group of millennials 86 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:50.560 who were functioning on a high level, but they weren't 87 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.839 They were like an association. They weren't the normal you know, 88 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:58.040 mafia or the normal bikers, and so we found that fascinating, 89 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.759 and when we looked at them, we found that they 90 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:04.160 were tightly tied to the similarA cartel down in Mexico, 91 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:08.000 the guys Louise used to cover, and so we decided 92 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.360 just to take a look at why these guys were 93 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:12.680 important and how the cartel was using them. 94 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:13.439 It was. 95 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:18.000 It was like a really interesting project to work on, 96 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:19.639 and then it was a chance for me to learn 97 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:22.959 about Mexico and the Internet through Louise. So it was 98 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:24.079 a great opportunity for me. 99 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:31.639 Were you surprised given the expertise that you have regarding 100 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:36.199 organized crime in Canada and an outlawed biker gangs in Canada? 101 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:39.240 Were you surprised that some of the information you were getting. 102 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:45.600 Yeah, I mean it's hard not to accept that the 103 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:48.040 internet's changing things. But I'm a bit of a ladite, 104 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:50.319 like I'm not the best person on a cell phone 105 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:51.920 or the best person. I'm not the guy you want 106 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:54.600 to fix your computer. And then once I gave a 107 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.800 junior and once I told the junior reporter, don't worry 108 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:00.279 about cell phones. You know, we don't need them. My 109 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:04.560 technical advice isn't that great. But Louise is kind of 110 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:06.959 kind of the other way, and he really sees the 111 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:11.040 impact of different media sources on people, and so he 112 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.319 was pushing me to read up on it, and it 113 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.720 all started. The lights went on, Like the guys, the 114 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:21.839 new Wave, the millennials, it all starts on the Internet 115 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:25.000 and geography doesn't really matter. And so but a lot 116 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:27.120 of stuff that in high school I kind of laughed at, 117 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:30.439 you know, Marshall mcluan and the Global Village. I had 118 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:32.079 to go back and read that and think about that 119 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:34.759 because it actually made sense before. Yeah, I thought it 120 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:37.319 was kind of gibberish back then, But now you know 121 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:40.560 someone who's deadly serious and who's had friends murdered and 122 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:42.839 who isn't choking around about it. He's saying, you know, 123 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:46.040 the stuff makes sense, and it actually did make sense. 124 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:52.600 This is a crime group that functions on the Internet 125 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.040 because of the Internet, and this is the future, like 126 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:58.920 the future of organized crime is his internet based. 127 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:05.600 Yeah, well this will definitely demonstrate that, illustrate that vividly. 128 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.040 Let's get right to the chapter. You call Zelda and 129 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:15.319 Dean Michael Witchar and his You introduced this guy and 130 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:19.639 he is a hit man, so this is and you 131 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:24.040 also talk about the wolf Pack, So please introduce Dean 132 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:29.720 Michael Witchar and Johnny Raposo and what happened in January 133 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:32.200 twenty twelve and the wolf Pack. 134 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.360 So Char he's a hit man for the wolf Pack, 135 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:39.039 and he's very proud of it. You can get someone 136 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:42.399 killed for a few thousand rucks, Like it's it's not 137 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.000 brain surgery to shoot somebody, you know, you just find 138 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.360 the right guy, point the gun and pulled the trigger, 139 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:49.559 like kind of any more on can do it. But 140 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:53.639 these guys wanted something that made a splash on the Internet, 141 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:55.679 and they wanted something that was like out of a 142 00:08:56.559 --> 00:09:01.279 video game where a spy movie. And so Richar was 143 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.639 their their man he he wore make up. He would 144 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.440 had putty that he put on his face to change 145 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:12.320 his features. He dressed up like a construction worker. He 146 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:15.879 had a wig, and he flew in from Vancouver and 147 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:17.799 he took a real roundabout route and they made a 148 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.440 couple of trips to Toronto to scout out the area. 149 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:25.039 He had a wide assortment of guns and he didn't 150 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:27.279 really need them all. He just liked liked the flash 151 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:31.080 of it. And his background. He wasn't This isn't some 152 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:33.639 poor kid from the ghetto or some guy brought up 153 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.519 from some stuff housing project. This is a kind of 154 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:40.240 a board kid from the suburbs who you know, too 155 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:44.200 much free time and too much video game time maybe, 156 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:48.679 and he and someone with an absolute lack of empathy. 157 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:51.960 He was brought in to kill someone who has taken 158 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.240 part in a drug deal with the wolf Pack, and 159 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:57.679 they a lot of times with drugs. What they'll do 160 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.759 is is have four people buying on a and that way, 161 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.559 if the drugs are intercepted, you don't lose everything. Like 162 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.919 if you do that four times, you're going to at 163 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:08.720 least have some drugs come through. And it's it's kind 164 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.240 of the safer way of doing it, and so as 165 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:14.960 the drugs got closer to Toronto, one of the group 166 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:19.000 decided that if he got rid of Reposo, his money 167 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:21.799 would go way up. And for some reason Reposo really 168 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:28.519 annoyed him, and so he got with chart to kill Reposo, 169 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.840 and they did it when a Euro Cup soccer game 170 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.720 was on and Roposa was sitting right under the big screen. 171 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:37.919 Like they did it as theatrically as possible in a 172 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:40.200 patio in a really nice area, so that he had 173 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:45.679 hundreds of spectators, and it could have been done discreetly, 174 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.159 or it could have been done without witnesses, but they 175 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.679 actually wanted the splash of witnesses. They wanted to make 176 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:56.480 a sensation on the internet. And so he walked right 177 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:58.360 up and shot him. It was interesting because the guy 178 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.799 sitting beside him with someone who was mod connected and 179 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:05.559 had a bit of a debt, and so there was 180 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:08.399 the feeling that this guy might have set up Riposo, 181 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:11.919 and so you'd the guy would come and you'd shoot 182 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:13.440 the guy to the right of the guy in the 183 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.279 green shirt sort of thing like he he wouldn't know 184 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.919 your target, but you'd know, you know what the guy 185 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.960 sitting beside him looked like and so you just shoot 186 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:24.720 the guy beside him, which is kind of a chilling pot. 187 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.200 If you stole the wrong care that soccer game, he 188 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:31.039 would have been shot maybe. But it was at an 189 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:34.039 ice cream ice cream shop, Like it was a really 190 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:38.200 nice sidewalk cafe where the big feature was the Italian 191 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:41.519 ice cream and they just wanted to make a splash. 192 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:45.519 They wanted people to notice it. And and Withchar was 193 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:48.480 just thrilled. I mean he was like it was like 194 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:50.559 his prom queen. I mean, he couldn't have been happier 195 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.360 and announcing it on the internet. And I know someone 196 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.480 who knows with Char from behind bars and they said 197 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:00.720 that Char was bragging about how because a holy put 198 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:03.639 in the guy. But he this is like an absolute 199 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:06.600 total lack of empathy. And and he didn't know the 200 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:09.679 person he killed. And he you know, this is someone 201 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:13.200 with a family and blocks from where his mother lived, 202 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:15.440 and it was no problem for him to into guy's 203 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:15.919 life there. 204 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.240 Well you include even more to this real life whore 205 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.480 that it was Father's day. It was it was an 206 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:29.440 Italian food festival for this street, little Italy food festival 207 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:33.399 and this his hero. We haven't time to go into it. 208 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:40.159 But his hero, his mentor, Eddie Mello, his little son 209 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:44.200 who had Mellow was murdered. His son was with him. 210 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:48.159 The widow, the mother of the son was there as well, 211 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:51.960 and so there was a whole family. And again, like 212 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:55.799 you say, this Father's Day, they made every attempt to 213 00:12:55.879 --> 00:13:00.399 make this about family and not just about their grievances. 214 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.360 Yeah. And I got to know or talk to Hittimilo's kids, 215 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:08.759 and a really really nice guy and not criminal at all. 216 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:09.480 And he. 217 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:14.879 He taught his father was murdered. And so this kid, Reposo, 218 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:18.159 took him on. He became like the nice uncle. He'd 219 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.480 drive him around. He said that he always wrote, got 220 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.600 to ride in the front seat, that he's treated with 221 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:25.559 a ton of respect when he was a weak little kid, 222 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:30.919 treated really nicely, and that that Reposa tried to fill 223 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:34.279 the void that that Eddie Junior felt when he lost 224 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:38.159 his father. And so Reposa wasn't some terrible knocking, knuckle 225 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:39.159 dragging monster. 226 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:39.720 He was. 227 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:41.559 I mean, he's on the wrong side of the law, 228 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:43.519 but he tried to be nice to people that matter 229 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.360 to him and in a lot of ways he was 230 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:46.919 a good person. 231 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.919 Mm hmm. So what is the description that they they 232 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:57.159 they get on who shot Reposo? And then and then 233 00:13:57.440 --> 00:13:58.840 what does the hitman which are do? 234 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:02.879 So the description was that it was a kind of 235 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:06.720 a tall, gangly construction worker with a limp, and so 236 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:10.639 we charge he looks like a backup player on a 237 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:13.759 basketball team. Like he's a tall, skinny, intense looking guy, 238 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:19.960 and and he wore a blonde wig and a construction 239 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:25.480 vest and face makeup. And so he did he killed him, 240 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:29.320 and then he he very quickly bragged about it on 241 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:32.279 the internet. He very quickly went into pretty good privacy 242 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:35.440 and told everybody that he'd done it. And the rest 243 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.840 of the wolf Back were just thrilled. The person who 244 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:40.960 was paying his bills, who paid and he got one 245 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.000 hundred thousand dollars for killing him, which is a huge 246 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.519 amount for himn like, it's it's way more than you need. 247 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:52.360 But these guys aren't really dealing in reality. The guy 248 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.919 who paid for it, he joked about how they should 249 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.000 send him to sniper school and you know, make him 250 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:57.919 an even better killer. 251 00:14:58.279 --> 00:14:58.720 And the. 252 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:02.360 The hit man couldn't have been couldn't have been happier. 253 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:07.320 And there were all these sort of internet cheering I 254 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.159 mean it was sort of a bizarre thing because you've 255 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:14.399 got this young kid grieving for the second time, a 256 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:18.000 mob murder, hitting his family, a really nice kid, so 257 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.039 will this kid's at one of the lowest points in 258 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.519 his life. These other idiots are are cheering away as 259 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:26.879 if they, you know, just scored a big goal in 260 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:27.519 the World Cup. 261 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:28.320 Like it was. 262 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:30.559 It was a really surreal type of thing. And it 263 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:35.159 was all over money. I mean, there was no Reposo, 264 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:38.120 wasn't some evil monster they had to slay. He was 265 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:40.799 just getting a chunk of a deal that they wanted 266 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:41.519 to take his shirt. 267 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:46.120 Plain this idea about the secret stash the roposal had 268 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:52.000 set aside, apparently it was supposed to be untraceable. How 269 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:53.879 does this turn that much more than that? 270 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:59.080 That was interesting because the a lot of times when 271 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.320 someone's killed and try to get their money or get 272 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:05.320 their drugs quickly, like they there's usually something lying around 273 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:08.720 and so and there's a huge amount of ripping off. 274 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.200 And that's the big difference with these these cartel guys. 275 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:15.240 You don't rip them off like you absolutely don't, because 276 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:19.480 they have literally have accountants in the in the Greater 277 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:22.360 Toronto area, and they know what's what's going in and 278 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.679 what's going out. And they're smart guys, and it's not 279 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:27.559 a bunch of guys from a bar or a bunch 280 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:29.799 of kind of rough guys. These are very smart people 281 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:32.600 who it's what they do for a living. And so 282 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:40.360 Reposo had had scooped up some had taken some of 283 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:43.200 this the drug stash, and then his friends came in 284 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:46.279 and grabbed that. What that meant was that the cartel 285 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:48.919 had been ripped off. And so you've got these angry 286 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.960 cartel guys running around and they it's not so much 287 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:56.440 losing the drugs that bothers them, it's the precedent, like 288 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:58.639 they don't want to be trifled with and they want 289 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:02.720 they want you to be afraid of going against them, 290 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:05.720 and so the they want to do things right over 291 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:07.759 the top, and so if you've ripped them off at all, 292 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.640 you're in trouble. And so it was almost revenge from 293 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:15.519 the grave for Reposo. You know, his friends stole the 294 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:17.799 money that he stole, and now the Wolf facts being 295 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:21.279 blamed for it. And so that set off a sort 296 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:23.799 of a lot of paranoia because you have these angry 297 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:27.400 cartel people running around and the people who've just done 298 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:32.839 this cowardly murder on Reposo or now they're they're in 299 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:34.039 the crossairs themselves. 300 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.880 Mm hmmm. And you're dealing with l Chapel Guzman so 301 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:44.960 in the Sinaloia cartel. So what happens with this fear 302 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:47.960 that they what happens with this fear with these millennials, 303 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:52.400 and what happens with the revenge in mind of the cartel. 304 00:17:53.920 --> 00:18:00.799 So one of the involved with the killers a guy Caputo. 305 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.839 He he eventually went to prison as part of the 306 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:09.839 of the murder of Reposo, but they he was kind 307 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:13.920 of unreachable where he was in custody. That and they 308 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.359 what the cartail did to to make a point or 309 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:20.240 I mean, it doesn't improven, but but it makes pretty 310 00:18:20.240 --> 00:18:24.079 good sense. His brother, who was was honest, who ran 311 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.200 a restaurant, who wasn't a criminal. I'm sixty four years 312 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:30.359 old and no criminal record, and I'd never heard of 313 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:33.839 him doing bad stuff, but he was related to, you know, 314 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:36.880 a very serious criminal. He was just shot to death 315 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:38.920 outside of his restaurant and it looked like he was 316 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:41.440 in fear because he's trying to sell his restaurant cheaply. 317 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.240 Like he's trying to just dump the restaurant and get 318 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:45.920 out of down and he didn't do it quick enough, 319 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:50.440 and so I think he caught a whiff that there 320 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:52.880 would be revenge. I mean, there wouldn't he don't get 321 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.599 the last laugh on these cartel guys. There was in 322 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:01.240 Mexico there was a monument and put up to journalists 323 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:03.759 who were murdered and and so, I mean, it's a 324 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.839 nice tribute to them. And then one morning there's that 325 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:10.480 someone's head like they'd beheaded someone and stuck the head 326 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:12.359 at the bottom of the monument just to let them 327 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:16.079 know that, you know, we're still here. There was a 328 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:20.759 police raid and they went they found out who one 329 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:23.720 of the there is the Marines. They found out who 330 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:25.799 one of the Marines was and went after his family, 331 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:30.160 like they need to get the last word, and they will. 332 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.200 And so even in Canada, if they feel they've been 333 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:34.880 ripped off, watch out. 334 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:42.359 Yeah. Now you take us to a couple people, the 335 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:44.680 wolf Pack. One of the leaders of wolf Pack is 336 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:49.839 this Robbie Alcalilo, and then he lives with a person 337 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:55.519 named Amarow in an apartment in Montreal. So what happens 338 00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:00.920 you talk about a raid in August twenty twelve. But 339 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:03.720 you also talk about these guys on the run. 340 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:09.960 Yeah, that was really fascinating because Amro he's a full 341 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:13.680 Patch Shells angel, so he's totally into the program. But 342 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:16.480 he's from the West coast and so he started with 343 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:20.400 one charter, shifted to another charter, and then went right 344 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:24.839 across the country and he narrowly escaped being murdered in Colowna. 345 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:27.640 There was one of his associates was killed and he's 346 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:31.400 lucky he wasn't as well. He went right across the country. 347 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:34.720 He was in a condo with Al Khalil that I 348 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:36.880 think was eight thousand a month, Like it was in 349 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.880 a really nice complex that some of the Montreal Canadians 350 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:42.640 live in. Grew really at high end overlooking the river, 351 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:51.960 and those two shared the place. Al Khalil, who he 352 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:54.039 turned twenty five while we were working on the book, 353 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:56.160 This is a very young guy. He had I think 354 00:20:56.240 --> 00:21:01.720 four brothers and Palestinian refugees up and basically brought up 355 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:04.119 in a war zone and looking at things the way 356 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:06.559 a person in a war would look at things, very 357 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:10.920 very tough, and he doesn't have to be emotional about things, 358 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:14.720 like he'll just do it. He ran. It's pretty bizarre, 359 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:17.279 but he ran this woman's clothing store where the belts 360 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:19.480 could cost ten thousand dollars like these. 361 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:19.920 Wow. 362 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:23.519 I think he pronounced a term as belts ten thousand bucks, 363 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:26.599 which I don't know if I've spent ten thousand dollars 364 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:29.279 on clothing him my entire life. But they would binding 365 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:33.480 his belts and the guy and he ran this boutique place, 366 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:36.720 and he's twenty five years old, and he also was 367 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:40.119 the guy in charge of the hitman, and so his 368 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:43.880 idea of money was just not from my universe, Like 369 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:46.559 he's paying the hit man probably twenty times more than 370 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.240 he needs to because he likes the sensation it makes 371 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.119 on the internet. And that was kind of advertising, you know, 372 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:55.319 take a week back, seriously, they'll shoot you anywhere. And 373 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:59.359 the running the thigh end women's clothing store sitting up hits. 374 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.480 And then when he got in trouble, he changed his 375 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.160 name and so his internet name became run and Hide, 376 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:06.920 which was kind of a joke, and then he just 377 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.000 took off. They eventually caught him. I think is in 378 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:16.240 West Germany. But he It also showed how geography doesn't 379 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:18.599 really matter for these guys, like with the hells angels 380 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:21.200 to you. Look, you look and look at a patch 381 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:24.079 on their chest, and that tells you exactly where they're from. 382 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:27.480 And so you know, you can South Coast Street, Oshawa, 383 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:30.200 that sort of thing. These guys wolf packed. They can 384 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:33.680 show up anywhere. And when that one bunch of them 385 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:36.640 took off, someone showed up in Greece, someone showed up 386 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:40.359 chopped up in Columbia, someone showed up in West Germany, 387 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:47.200 like you could. They're they're extremely mobile, multi ethnic. It's 388 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:49.799 kind of odd because they they're not racist, where a 389 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:53.119 lot of organized criminals are racist. These guys aren't. They're 390 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:56.599 sort of woke. Someone called him the Woke Pack because 391 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:01.079 they they actually are. They've got some good qualities. It's 392 00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:03.880 just that they sell drugs and murdered people indiscriminately. Like 393 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:07.039 they're not racist, and they're they've got a member is 394 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:09.200 in a wheelchair, like they do some things that other 395 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:13.720 organized crime groups wouldn't do. But then they're absolutely ruthless 396 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:16.880 and without empathy when it comes to doing business. 397 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:23.680 Now you've introduced this u a suck there. Dac and 398 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:27.680 his brother had been killed Germit. But what is the 399 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:32.279 connection with Amaryll and you introduce a couple of notorious gangsters, 400 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:34.559 react and bacon. 401 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:39.319