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very well have had the leading candidate now for the

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fight of the year. I mean, Chris Eubank and Connor

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to talk about it, analyze and discuss it. Plus that

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entire fight card with wins for Anthony Yard and the

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rising prospect Aaron McKenna. We're going to recap what happened

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in Britain. We've got oh oh, by the way, we've

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got Canelo Alvarez one on one with our Dan Rayfield

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on the podcast. I'm one on one with this guy

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on a regular basis, but we got Canello one on

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one with Dan. It is the Fight Freaks Unit recap podcast.

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I am the somewhat capable host TJ. Reeves, Hello, Dan Rayfield.

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Fight Freaks Unit is the substack in the newsletter. We've

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got news. We'll briefly touch on some nostalgia here on

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the program. We've got so much to go over. By

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the way, we've done a full podcast off the year

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on life and liberty and if people only knew, including me,

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trying to solve something by drying something of mine without

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getting into it and you said, oh, my son tried

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to eat that at one time.

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Speaker 1: All right, people have no idea on the inside baseball

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what that is. But that's okay. We are good. We

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are ready to talk boxing among other things like for example,

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sometimes again we have to sell the show. We don't

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We're gonna get into it a few moments, all right.

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So first of all, Dan, good to be with you.

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fight at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium or at the moment do

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fight of the year right now in the clubhouse? Am

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action doesn't live up to the event. In this particular instance,

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a great fight. I mean, I don't care that it

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wasn't for a world title. I saw some people making

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not a fighters or sea fighters. Well, dude, Gaddy Ward

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was a fight of the year, and these guys are

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probably more skilled than they were, and that could be

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the fight of the year, the fight of the year

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in my opinion. And this is the philosophy that I

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pick a fight of the year, when I first started

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to do it at USA today in two thousands, so

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I've picked a Fight of the Year twenty five years

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in a row, whether it was for whatever publication I

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was at, doing it on my own now, whether it's

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a matter of voting in the Boxing Writers Association of

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America annual awards, of which I have been a part

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of for you know, a long long time. It's about

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the unbridled action, and then there's other factors. If that's

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and just a lot of other things. So this one,

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you know, hit all the boxes. It had an unbelievable

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atmosphere obviously that came across even if you weren't there

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in the stadium. It had a massive drama, drama going

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into it forgetting about the fight, just in terms of

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and is making weight, all the stuff between their fathers,

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all the bad blood between the two sons. You know,

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the canceled fight from two and a half years ago

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because of Ben's positive drug test. You know, the egg

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smashing at the press conference. I mean, so much going on,

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and then and then then U Bank Senior shows up

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unexpectedly uh huh. Then you've got that sold out stadium

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and the people are going fucking wild. Then the bell

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rings and they put together just a ridiculous, fast paced

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fight TJ. I swear to God. In the first minute

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of the fight, when they were just come out so

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Speaker 2: But usually it doesn't. If it doesn't, you.

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Speaker 1: Could just you just laid out all the reasons.

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not the fight of the year. Otherwise I'd remember it

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right off the bat. The other fight that's there, and

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and it's never going to have the same level of

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notoriety or fame, at least in this part of the world,

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the United States, North America, Europe, wherever, England at that

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at that same notoriety, there was that fantastic, excellent, supreme

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fight in March between Taraji and Akoui for the WBC

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weight world title that was absolutely fucking spectacular. That Taraji

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won by a twelfth round knockout. That was spectacular. And

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that probably is number two. And if you really feel

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strongly that that's number one right now, I'm not going

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to fight you to the death over it.

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Speaker 2: But for me, the action.

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and the stories make that Saturday night fight and.

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Speaker 1: What Akoui And yes, and let's be honest, there was

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not near the build up, the attention, the hostility the

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dads as you mentioned for all the but I mean,

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the dads didn't famously fight each other and they weren't

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part of that, and it wasn't controversy, not all the

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things that you listen. All right, So I'm going to

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go for it. The first thing is, I cannot believe

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that went twelve. I really thought middle of that fight

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it's getting stopped one way or the other, which we

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talked about. Credit to both of them. Do we make

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of that that Connor Ben has a better chin than

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what we thought? I mean I'm posing this not just

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to you, to the audience. Do we make of it

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that U Bank was somewhat weight drained and that a

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heavier U Bank blasts him out of there, especially when

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he heard him late in the fight. What do we

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make of that? I mean, it was wild that he

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was still standing Connor Bin in the eleventh and the

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twelfth round with all he got hit with. I'm like,

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you know what, Ray Phil, I'm cashing from the show.

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I'm gonna get my TKO or my knockout because he

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had him worn down and it did not come through.

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we'll get into it postfight. This was perfect. Rarely do

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we get perfect. They were all so classy in defeat.

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They were fantastic, all of them. And I think it's

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a credit. Am I actually saying this? It's a credit

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to the sport, how everybody behaved. Everybody credited the winner,

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the winner credited the loser and said I didn't think

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he had it in him. Chris you Banks Senior was

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gracious and explained why he wasn't there now his I

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mean he may be still a couple of fries short

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of a happy meal right now. It's the way that

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we like to put it. But it was fascinating to

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listen to him. Nigel Benn was graci The.

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Speaker 3: Best part about it was that Nigel Ben and Chris Sr.

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Speaker 3: I watched some of the footage that was kind of

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behind the scenes dish. They were literally sitting next to

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Speaker 1: And behaving and behaving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean this, I am not over selling. This was

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perfect in terms of the build up, how good the

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fight was, and how everybody behaved. Nobody's screaming about I

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was robbed. There's no other controversy Winter gracious, loser, gracious.

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I enjoyed all of this. I don't know how many

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more times when you and I do this that we're

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gonna get one where we enjoyed all of it. I

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always say this, go ahead, I said a lot.

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Speaker 3: No, I agree with pretty much everything you said. It

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was a tremendous battle. It lived up to the hype,

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and the actions of everybody after the fact were excellent.

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Like you said, I've heard many many times through the

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years that you know, it's one thing when you have

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that kind of beef and those issues when you go

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through that type of fight even if you don't like

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the other guy. And like Connor Ben, I watched his

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press conference, he's like, you know, if he respects him.

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he said he was being serious. I don't think he

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was trying to be funny about it, because he was

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asked about, you know, the how they feel about each

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other now that they've gone through that incredible battle with

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going to be best friends, but like you know, there's

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got to be a healthy respect when you do that. Now,

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as far as the power you mentioned, in terms of

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the fact that it went to twelve, what do you think, Well,

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good puncher overall in the first place, relatively speaking, so

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that that's one reason. I do think that no matter what,

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by Ben. And Ben was sort of lamenting the fact

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in his news conference that he had him heard on

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three or four occasions that he noticed and he just

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couldn't finish them. And that's a testament to the chin

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that U Bank has, to the will to the heart,

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and the fact that Ben, the smaller guy coming up,

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was able to stand up to the punches that he took,

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especially in the last two rounds, was remarkable. Okay, first

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of all, fight of the year, probably round twelve, round

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of the year.

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Speaker 2: All that was ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: All time final round. I don't I don't think he

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goes in the top five. Maybe a final rounds. Maybe

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it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Be.

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Speaker 1: It's gotta be in some consideration on an all time

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final round for everything we talked about, because they both

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laid it on the line and I was shocked that

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neither one of them went down with the way they

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were wailing.

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Speaker 3: Totally agree, I mean, and the thing about it is, look,

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then he does a lot of good things, but he

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just does not have the punching power, especially as a middleweight.

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And that's not a surprise. He didn't show any power

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in the two fights at Ju were middleweight. No, we've

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litigated the the possibility that you know, the peds from

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before may have been involved. Whatever the case, and as

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I always say, whether it was on purpose or not,

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they were in his system and that may have an effect.

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But at fifty four he showed no power in the

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two fights. So it didn't surprise me that he didn't

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show the power against you Bank. You Bank has never

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been a big puncher in my opinion either. But here's

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the thing about it. They both had gigantic fucking balls.

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They both took great shots. Their chins were, you know,

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resolute against everything that was being dished out. Because let

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me tell you, there were moments I have in my

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notes as I'm typing, as I'm watching the fight. You know,

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you Bank would land like a clean, solid, flush right hand,

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and Ben didn't budge. And even when he did budge,

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it was like a split second. He was right back

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in firing back. And when when Connor Ben landed good shots,

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you know, he definitely definitely hurt you Bank a couple

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of times.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I thought in the seventh round he had him hurt,

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he had him reeling, and you're thinking, oh boy, and

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you Bank showed something to wather that, but he had

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never Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He could not close him out. So it just uh,

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you know, the will. And also look, Ben is a

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younger fighter. He's like twenty eight. He's never been in

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that kind of fight before. Still fresh, you bank at

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thirty five. He's fought a lot of good fighters. He's

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been in with some big punchers. He's fought, you know,

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guys like Arthur Abraham and James Degael and Matt Korobov

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and like really solid guys Billy Joe Saunders, and he's

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been in that kind of those those you know, been

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hit with those types of punches. So it didn't surprise

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me so much that he stood up. But what Connor

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Ben dished out and what he took more importantly, was

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quite amazing to me. And uh, you know, obviously there

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was a lot on the line, not just in terms

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of wanting to win against your great rival. But you know,

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you can't I don't think you can understand. I mean

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the pressure that they I mean they said they didn't

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feel pressure. I don't believe that from the because of

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their fathers and ways and then daddy's are sitting right there.

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Speaker 1: Let's cover this, Let's cover this. I mean, you talk

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about reality TV watching Connor Band hugging Nigel Band in

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the ring when the decision was announced. I mean, he's crushed.

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He is devastated that he lost that fight. He's shaking

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his head in tears.

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Speaker 3: How about watching Chris with Connor?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean yes, there was reality TV, and so

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then to hear him in the news conference. And by

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the way, I may have to stipulate that it's not

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completely perfect. Let me interject one thing. We got to

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stop letting the planted fans masquerading his journalists ask questions.

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At the beginning of the press conference, I didn't watch

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the whole thirty minutes, but like I watched the first

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ten or fifteen minutes, but we had a couple of

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planted people that just wanted to compliment Connor Ben and

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blah blah, and I'm like, that's a plant. What that

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means is, I don't mean Caleb plant. I don't mean

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something you grow in water in your front yard. That

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means somebody placed a person there to get on the

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microphone and act like a fan before they asked a question.

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That didn't seem like journalism to me. But Connor Ben's comments,

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he was hurt figuratively that he had not won this fight.

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He was at a loss for trying to verbalize how

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much it meant to him to win this for his

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dad sitting next to him, you can because.

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Speaker 2: Look now the Benz are yes, it was genuine.

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Speaker 1: It was raw, it was reality TV. So he obviously

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meant a lot to him to try to avenge what

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his dad didn't do and they couldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: What he's going to realize over the next days, it's

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gonna be hard, you know. Today, I'm sure it was

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not a good day for him, and it's gonna be,

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you know, difficult to come to grips with that because

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you pour so much of your heart and your emotion

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into it, you know, for the last few years, not

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just what happened on Saturday night, and now you got

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to live with that. Now there's a very good chance

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it's going to be a rematch, which we'll get to

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in a minute, but eventually, and I don't know if

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it's going to be next week or next month, but

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at some point, same like his father, you're gonna come

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to realize that most people, when they talk about the fight,

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especially if it becomes a series of fights, it's not

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going to be so much about who won and who lost.

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It's gonna be about what you delivered that makes people

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remember it, you know, to me, and when I voted

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for our Carol Gotti for the Hall of Fame, people

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were like, he doesn't deserve to be in the Hall

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of Fame. And Okay, I'm not gonna litigate that, but

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one of the reasons why is because of what he

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meant to the people. He moved them. He made people

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boxing fans, you cannot sell that chart. When you're in

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five or six Fight of the Year caliber fights, that

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means something. And so where I'm going with this is

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that Connor Ben and Chris You Bank whatever becomes of

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the rest of their careers. And I'm not saying they're

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Hall of famers, Don't get me wrong, because I have

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other accomplishments and win multiple world titles, et cetera. But

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Connor Ben is gonna hear from people for the rest

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of his life, not oh you lost, you Bank. He's

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gonna walk into the bar, he's gonna walk into the store,

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he's gonna walk the street, and they're gonna slap him

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on the back say that was a great fight. That's

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what they're gonna say. They're not gonna say you didn't win.

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They're gonna say, thank you for doing that, because that

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was amazing. You know, I have great memories of whether

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it was going there or watching on TV or talking

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about with my buddies or my brother, my son. That

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is what it's gonna mean to him. So I understand

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how much he wanted to win. I've been around fighters

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who won and lost for twenty five years. I get

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all that. But what I also know from my experience

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is that there will come a time where they'll be

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able to talk about the war stories the way that

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I'm sure that Chris Youubanks, see Ye and Nigel Ben

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did in their interactions before and after that fight and

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maybe even during the fight. Not to say they're ever

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going to be best friends. Sometimes that happens. I mean,

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Mickey Ward and Gaddy became best friends. Even Burrera and Morales,

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who was as bitter as any two people I've ever

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known in the sport, you know, became friends with each other.

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Now a couple are things about that where this fight goes.

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I think it's better than the second fight between the fathers.

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You know, people talk about the two fights that they

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had with each other, and I think because of the magnitude,

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partly because of what the two fathers had done, combined

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with the fact that there was a such a huge

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crowd and the atmosphere that it generated. Remember when when

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Nigel and U Bank fought the first time, it was

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in a regular arena in Birmingham, Birmingham, if I'm not mistaken,

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but what like you know, fifteen thousand type crowd. It

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was a hyped up fight, but not to this level.

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I mean, it wasn't even broadcast in the United States

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for example, the way the second fight was, and it

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was a great fight and U Bank scored the very

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mild upset by stopping Nigel to win the one of

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the middleweight belts. This is what you know when that

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first fight happened in nineteen ninety and as great as

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that fight is, I actually think and there was greater

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stakes of the world title that was in stake. I

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don't think it's unreasonable to tell people that the third fight,

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meaning the Sun's Fight, compared to the two Father fights,

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is actually action for action, round for round, the best

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of the three fights.

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Speaker 1: And I take that argument.

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Speaker 2: There was not one.

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Speaker 3: Round in the twelve that that Connor and Chris fought

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that fight Saturday night that was a boring round. Every

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single round was dramatic to some degree. Had action back

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and forth. There was a few rounds that were clear

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as day for one guy or the other, but a

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lot of them were close rounds. It was a really

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extraordinary fight. The only thing that was missing, you know,

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and I put that in quote marks, was there was

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no knockdowns. There was no that type of dramatic moment.

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There was obviously no knockout, which you know usually will

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rise fights to a higher level in terms of what

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the drama is. But the drama really was fucking Connor

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surviving the eleventh and the twelfth rounds the way he

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did so great. That was a great fucking fight. I

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was watching it back a little bit on Sunday morning,

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and I'm gonna watch It's funny.

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Speaker 1: It's funny that you said that because I saw it.

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And then I was out in the in the front

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room rewatching the final two rounds again. And Missus Reeves,

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who is a she's a fight fan to a degree,

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she's a huge sports fan. She goes, is this a

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different fight or is this the one quote that you

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were yelling about earlier. I said, no, this is the

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same one again. I just want to rewatch a couple

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of things. So you and I are a lot of

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like and I'm sure many fans have gone back and watched,

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especially the end of it, and as we still sit

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here approximately twenty four hours later, I still can't believe

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that connor Bin took all of those shots and didn't

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even go down. So credit to him. You can say

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what you want about PDS. And by the way, one

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more quick thing, this is me interjecting this. He deserves

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every bit of criticism for everything that went on for

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the last two and a half years. This fight does

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not absolve him of testing positive for PEDS and what

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they were trying to do to get around the suspension

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and the whole bit. But as you like to say,

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both things can be true at the same time. We

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got the shenanigans. But he took some bombs, some hillatious punches,

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and showed a real chin and a real heart in

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that at the end of that fight, because I think

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some lesser people go down and maybe get stopped, So

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give him some credit in that.

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Speaker 3: In that regards, I also thought I also thought the

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judges did a good job. Sixteen twelve is how I

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had it, and we talk all the time. You know,

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the range of acceptable scores one sixteen one twelve is fine.

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If you said it was seven to five, no problem.

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My view is if you had really been over backwards

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to give every conceivable benefit of the doubt to Ben,

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maybe you could find a draw. But one sixteen, one twelve.

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Speaker 1: The problem is clearly Ben did not win any of

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the last three rounds. From where I sit, you gotta

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do something running in a close fight.

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Speaker 3: I know I gave him the tenth round as the

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end of the judge didn't I didn't think so, yes,

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But here's the point, though, it doesn't matter about the

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last few rounds because again, as I say, it is

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comfortable enough. It's about math. So he could lose the

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last three.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying in a close fight, in a close fight,

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it's only going to be twelve rounds, the last three

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are going to be important. If it's close on win

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one of them. Like you said, the tenth, the twelve, whatever,

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00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:24,079
it's very difficult to overcome in a close fight. That's

478
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,720
so mathematically, But if you take.

479
00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 3: I looked at the scorecards, and if people want to

480
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,359
see the full scorecard, I have it in my story

481
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,519
on my newsletter, where you can look and see pretty much.

482
00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:35,480
U Bank was ahead the whole fight. It was never

483
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,559
there was never a moment where so on my own scorecard,

484
00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:41,559
I had to fight dead even after six, but obviously

485
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,759
gave more of those rounds down the stretch to Chris Ubank.

486
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,559
But it was a close fight. I think it was

487
00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:49,400
like fifty eight to fifty six on one card at

488
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,839
the six at the halfway mark, and so Connor was

489
00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:54,599
always sort of in the hole, so to speak, and

490
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,519
he needed to keep hind he was not able to

491
00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:59,079
do that. But whatever, it was a great matchup, a

492
00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:02,640
great fight, and eventually you're probably gonna do it again.

493
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: All right, So we're leading right to that. Let's lead

494
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,119
right to that right now. And again we've got Canelo

495
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,039
Alvarez coming up. We're gonna fit this the recap pot.

496
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,640
We're gonna finish recamping the rest of the card real

497
00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:13,839
quick and get to Canelo with Dan one on one

498
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,079
in advance of his Oh my God, pay per view.

499
00:23:16,319 --> 00:23:18,200
I keep saying it with William Skull.

500
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 3: You gotta get the fuck over that Canelo albers is

501
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,160
a pay per view fighter.

502
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,599
Speaker 1: Whoever, I'm just saying, when the thing does like six

503
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,880
hundred and ninety three, pay per views don't come crying

504
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,599
to me, Uh, nonetheless, Canelo will be here in a

505
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,599
few moments. What to make of this, you said, going

506
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,920
in automatic rematch clause exists here, Okay. After the fight.

507
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,119
After the fight, Eddie Hearn was saying, I don't know

508
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,440
if there's gonna be a rematch said, I don't know

509
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,000
if there's gonna be a rematch. Then Connor Bann even

510
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:50,960
said I don't know if I'm gonna go for a

511
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,079
welterweight world title or fight him next. And then even

512
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,720
the band, even the U Bank camp, even Chris you

513
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,200
Bank kind of say it almost acted like it's not

514
00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:05,559
necessarily the next fight an immediate rematch, so way in

515
00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:07,960
way in on that, because the way they were making

516
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,799
it seem with their purse fight comments was maybe it

517
00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:13,799
won't be immediate. It just exists.

518
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,279
Speaker 3: They can say, you can say anything you want. By

519
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,119
every account from both sides, there's an automatic rematch clause

520
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,319
for the next fight.

521
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: To be the next sight.

522
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,079
Speaker 3: That's the supposed to take place by the end of

523
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,960
this year, okay. Follow along with Turkey Aolchik, He made

524
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,799
a statement today that he wanted to do the rematch

525
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:34,079
in September if both guys were okay in terms of

526
00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:37,319
their physical abilities to do the fight once again at

527
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,279
the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. Now, a couple of things. Both

528
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:44,839
guys ended up in the hospital. Chris you Bank was

529
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,240
taken you know, they both spoken the ring after the fight.

530
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:51,279
Chris you Bank was taken to the hospital for precautionary reasons,

531
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:54,519
also for a suspected broken jaw. Apparently has to stay

532
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:55,880
over another night.

533
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,279
Speaker 1: By the way, being Shalom and others came out and

534
00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:00,559
said unfounded on the broken jaw. Does not have a

535
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:01,200
broken jaw.

536
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, So I'm glad if it's he could clearly.

537
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,559
Speaker 1: Talk after the fight. We know that we're not detectives.

538
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:09,200
We just play him on the podcast. He could play.

539
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:11,079
Speaker 3: I mean, if it wasn't token, obviously that's a good thing.

540
00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:13,839
But nonetheless, he ended up in the hospital and Connor

541
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,799
Ben went and did his postfight press conference, and after

542
00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:20,240
the press conference when he went back and uh after

543
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,839
they hung out there for a little while and he

544
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,640
just to to also do the drug testing and everything.

545
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:28,519
They weren't he wasn't ordered to go to the hospital,

546
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,359
but his team and his family everybody said to go,

547
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,119
and so Connor also went to the hospital to get

548
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,039
checked out. He's fine, I guess, and he was released.

549
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,279
But again, that's the type of fight it was where

550
00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:40,319
both guys wound up and for some period of time

551
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,039
at the hospital. I mean again, it reminds me when

552
00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:44,880
you talk about like I want to say it was

553
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,079
Gaddy Ward one where both of them wound up in

554
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:51,279
the hospital and they ended up in the same ambulance.

555
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,880
You know, they ended up in the same cubicle in

556
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,359
the hospital when they opened up the curl.

557
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: Didn't we see it?

558
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jog you didn't we see it? With Bratus

559
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,000
and Opataie and the rematch where they both were boasted up,

560
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,359
both had broken jaws, and they're in the same hospital

561
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,440
suite tweeting pictures of themselves after that second rematch fight

562
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,839
that they had. So the belief, the hope is that

563
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,319
we're going to get this maybe in the fall, but

564
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,400
we don't know, we don't know, we don't know what

565
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,000
because again connor Band, I mean, he plainly said I

566
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:21,839
may move back down to WELTERWEIGHTE and try to fight Barrios,

567
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,960
meaning Mario Barrios.

568
00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 3: So who knows contracts are an agreement, but can always

569
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,559
be amended if it's okay with both sides. If he

570
00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:32,200
doesn't want to do the fight because for whatever the reasons,

571
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,559
the Waight situation or whatever, you know, there's ways that

572
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:37,200
you can work around that. They can come up with

573
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,720
an agreement to say, look, you know what, if you

574
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,160
want to go do another fight, you know, go do

575
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,119
another fight and we'll reapa.

576
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,559
Speaker 1: I could totally see and I know we got to

577
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:45,880
move on and saying. I could totally see Chris hu

578
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,200
Bank Junior and his team saying we're not doing this

579
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,559
again with the one sixty and he can only be

580
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:52,960
one seventy the day after. And so if that if

581
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,200
all I'm saying is if that is specifically in the

582
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,839
contract language it is, I could see them. I could

583
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,920
see them objecting to that after what he went through.

584
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,839
Who knows if that blows the deal up or not.

585
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,200
I don't know.

586
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't know the contract that they signed. Again,

587
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,960
this is according to both sides. Eddie reiterated it when

588
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,359
he was doing the conversation at the press cards. The

589
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,079
agreement that is in place for the automatic rematch is

590
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,759
the exact same terms in terms of the weight and

591
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,000
the this and that that as the first one, so

592
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:24,000
it is still a one sixty fight with a one

593
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:28,000
seventy rehydration. Now, again, every contract you do, you can

594
00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:31,039
if both sides can agree, you know, you do up

595
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:33,519
a one page amendment and that's that. So that's the

596
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:35,359
story there. Now, whether they would agree to do that

597
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,880
or not, I don't know, but clearly, you know, the

598
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,279
weight's a factor because the reality is Connor ben You

599
00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:42,440
could see in the first round he's a much smaller

600
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:43,839
Sye physically.

601
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,559
Speaker 1: This is why you often say, this is why there's

602
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:48,960
weight classes, this is the reason why there's rules.

603
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: This I'm gonna say this. I look, that was a

604
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,960
great fight. It was to me a very very physically

605
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,599
grueling fight. That's the kind of fight that takes you know,

606
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:02,480
time off of your career. So yeah, of course I'd

607
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,720
like to see a rematch at some point. I'm okay

608
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,160
if they don't do it next, I'm okay if Connor

609
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,240
goes to welterweight and getting drum up a fight with

610
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:11,400
you know, somebody down there, Barrios. Now, there's a lot

611
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,079
of rumors at Barrios may end up fighting Manny Pacow,

612
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,799
who's election in the Senate coming up in the Philippines.

613
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:18,880
The election is coming up in a couple of weeks.

614
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,759
When that election is over, win or lose, I think

615
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:24,440
we'll hear some news about what Manny's boxing future. It

616
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,279
may be God, I hear you, but also you bank

617
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,759
don't don't don't poo poo with this either. Again, there's

618
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:34,119
a lot that has to take place. Canelo Alvarez, if

619
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,319
he beats Skull, which he's very heavily favored to do,

620
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,759
becomes once again the undisputed Super Medaway champion, and then

621
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:44,039
he fights the Terrence Crawford fight in September. Remember he's

622
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:47,000
got two other fights with Turkey that are supposed to

623
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,759
take place in Saudi Arabia in twenty twenty six. There

624
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:52,359
was a conversation back a while ago that they were

625
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,079
trying to maybe possibly do They were negotiating actually with

626
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,759
Chris Ubank's team before he ended up opting for I

627
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:00,680
forget if it was the Berlanga fighter Mongia fight. But

628
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,880
here's the point. If he survives Skull and Crawford, and

629
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,160
now you're looking at his first twenty twenty six fight

630
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,200
in Saudi Arabia, after what Chris Eubank just did in

631
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,920
that fight. There's nobody that's gonna laugh and say, well,

632
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,079
that's not a worthy fight, right. No, you may still

633
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:19,359
favor Canelo fair enough, but at one hundred and sixty

634
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,680
eight pounds, there's not a lot of guys out there

635
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,960
from the fight, so that would be a very possible

636
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,000
fight for you Bank to land that kind of opportunity.

637
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:30,240
So both guys are have come out elevated from this.

638
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:32,400
I always say that every time there's a big fight,

639
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:34,920
my greatest hope is that you see a great fight

640
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,880
and that the winner and the loser elevate themselves. And

641
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,880
that is exactly what happened with Chris Ubank Junior and Conorman.

642
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,359
It was a tremendous battle. We won't soon forget it.

643
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,880
I think it's better, frankly than action wise than their

644
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,039
fathers fights were. And I would love to see it again.

645
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:51,440
And if it's not next okay with.

646
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: It all, it's all time stuff for all the reasons

647
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:55,799
that we just listed, with the fathers and the nostalgia,

648
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,200
we will be talking about that fight ten years from now. Guaranteed,

649
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,480
no one what happens in the second fight, you'll be

650
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,519
talking about the first fight in front of sixty five

651
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:07,720
thousand plus at Tottenham, Hot's first stadium in that and

652
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:11,839
that audience. Yeah, that was something. All right, real quick,

653
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:14,519
let's run down what happened on the undercart and we'll

654
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:16,440
get to Canelo and then some news here in a

655
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,799
few moments. The Canelo Alvarez on deck. So Anthony Yard

656
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,640
did win the trilogy fight, the light heavyweight trilogy fight

657
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,960
with Lyndon Arthur. Arthur had upset him by decision in

658
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,079
the first fight. Yard had gotten a knockout about three

659
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,799
years ago. In the rematch, they now came back around

660
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,680
fought each other. Yard wins the one sided decision in

661
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,720
that one. Aaron McKenna again the rising.

662
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,079
Speaker 2: Let's let's go on to middleweight, one fight at a time.

663
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,559
Speaker 1: I'm just covering. I'm just covering. These are the two

664
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,319
most prominent fights Aeron McKenna one easily over Liam Smith.

665
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,720
Not a big surprise. What are your thoughts on both

666
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,200
of those? In order? Go ahead?

667
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 3: So the Arthur fight against Yard, it wasn't really one sided.

668
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,240
It was one sixteen to one twelve on two cards,

669
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:01,079
one fifteen thirteen. It was a very competitive fight. I

670
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:02,880
didn't think it was a particularly good fight. The first

671
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,599
eight rounds were terrible. I was falling asleep. But the

672
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,200
last four rounds are really good. And I think that

673
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:10,359
was at a point when when Lindon Arthur was maybe

674
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,000
getting a little tired and he couldn't move as much

675
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,559
as he as he was earlier in the fight, because

676
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:15,599
it was very clear what his game plan was, which

677
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,240
is to try to box and move, which makes sense

678
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,240
because you want to use your legs against a guy

679
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,400
like Yard who was really a one trick pony, and

680
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,680
it's a very good effective trick which is the big

681
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,079
punching power. Stay away from his right handling, you could

682
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:28,279
have some success. And while he was able to stay

683
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:30,599
away from that shot and go the distance and win

684
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,839
some rounds, you know was clearly he lost a competitive fight.

685
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,240
The last four rounds were much better in terms of

686
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,680
the action, and you know, Anthony Yard is just a

687
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,359
better fighter than Lindon Arthur in my opinion. The split

688
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,599
decision that he lost was obviously a super close fight

689
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,200
and Yard is right there once again to be in

690
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,640
the in the mix for any of the guys that

691
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:51,480
like had to wagne Arthur. You know, he may take

692
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,480
a small step back, but he's still a very viable

693
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,759
fighter against the top guys. Also, they both had their

694
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:59,480
opportunities in the World Championship fights and lost, but I

695
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,440
think both can absolutely get another opportunity. But yard, you know,

696
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,839
it was first in line, I guess behind uh, you know,

697
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,680
a few other guys, but certainly ahead of Arthur in

698
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,319
that respect. So that was in my mind, of the

699
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,079
of the undercard fights that were part of this pay

700
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,480
per view that they showed, that was the weakest of

701
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,759
the fights action wise. Obviously the main event was tremendous.

702
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:18,480
Then this fight. Now you mentioned about the McKenna and

703
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,839
Lilliam Smith fights, that was not an action pack, great

704
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,000
memorable fight, But what it was was a great performance

705
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,920
from Aaron McKenna really, and it was not like a

706
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,200
bad fight er anything like that, but the performance from McKenna,

707
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,839
who had never fought anybody even close to like a

708
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,960
contender or anything. He really showed that he is a

709
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,759
good young fighter. And I'm actually very much looking forward

710
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:42,480
to seeing what he does next because you know, I'd

711
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,359
seen him fight. You know, he fought most of his

712
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,559
early fights in America on Golden Boy cards. I saw

713
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,079
him fight as some of those shows, but he was

714
00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:50,319
fighting nobody in particular, and you're like, Okay, he's a

715
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:52,559
decent prospect and you know, we'll see if he develops.

716
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,799
But that was a big time win. Now, William Smith

717
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,279
is at the end of his career. It seems to

718
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:58,000
me he's lost two in a row. He got knocked

719
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,799
out by U Bank. He lost this fight every round.

720
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:03,599
I scored it a shutout. One judge had at eleven

721
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,680
to one, one judge had it ten to two, one

722
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:07,759
judge had at ninety three. I thought that Aaron McKenna

723
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:11,279
won all twelve rounds. So Smith, he's got two losses

724
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:14,000
in a row, one by the hard way, one by

725
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,039
the lopside of the decision. He's got some decisions to

726
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:18,400
make about his career because he's a proud guy. He's

727
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,839
a former champ. I don't think he wants to just

728
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,359
become a stepping stone. So that might be the last

729
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:25,000
time that we see Liam Smith. McKenna though he got

730
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,319
a bright future. One hundred and sixty pounds, as we've

731
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:29,880
discussed many times, not a super deep weight class. He

732
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,759
can definitely make some noise in there. Big tall guy,

733
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,440
long rangey jab put it all together, good quickness, took

734
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,799
some solid shots, really fought a complete fight. I thought

735
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,279
it was a really super performance. So credit to the

736
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:43,920
young guy twenty five years old. Now he's twenty to

737
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,759
zero and to me, definitely a guy to watch, especially

738
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,759
in a middleweight division that is in need of some needs.

739
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,279
Speaker 1: A noteworthy win. But again, Liam Smith's about to be

740
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:54,079
thirty seven years old and looks like he's at the

741
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,839
end on that alight. So the cruiserweights on the undercard

742
00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:59,400
tell me, including former world champ Chris billim Smith, they

743
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,480
both won go ahead.

744
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,079
Speaker 3: So the fight before the Liam Smith and McKenna fight

745
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,559
was the British cruiserweight title fight between chev Clark, who

746
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,800
was the champion of the British title and Vidal Riley,

747
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,880
and up and comer who was twelve and zero coming

748
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,840
into the fight. Now, the interesting thing is, even though

749
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,639
Clark was the British champion, he was coming off of

750
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,440
a decision loss, a very close loss, a split decision

751
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,480
that he challenged for the European title, and so he

752
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:24,239
was trying to bounce back from that loss. And Vidal

753
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,320
Riley had never fought anybody, you know, was known to

754
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,239
a lot of people just basically as an influencer, but

755
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,159
he's been developing as a fighter. Anyway, this was a

756
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,320
pretty damn good fight. But Riley, I think surprised a

757
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,000
lot of people because he didn't just win the fight.

758
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,079
He won and some of the one of the score

759
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:41,719
cards was really close. But I thought he clearly won

760
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,119
the fight. I mean, there was no doubt about it.

761
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,679
Chev Clark, who just the way I wrote it when

762
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,400
I was writing my recap about it was he just

763
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,719
could could never get out of first gear. You know,

764
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,719
he just you know, sometimes a fight starts slow and

765
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,719
a guy they pick up at their their pace or

766
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,599
their speed or what they're doing as the fight goes long.

767
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,599
He never got out of first gear. And Riley fought

768
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,400
a really good, very I thought, a very perf pfessional

769
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,000
fight for a guy with so little experience the dal

770
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:05,119
Riley was the guy that looked like the polished, poised

771
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:07,480
guy compared to Clark, who I felt like was sort

772
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,280
of just going through the motion. So that's a big

773
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,639
win for Riley. So Cruiser waits at the top. Obviously

774
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,880
they're top heavy with you know, Opataia and Xerdo Ramirez

775
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,280
and some other guys, but Riley's like, you know, this

776
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,000
was the kind of win that shows that, you know what,

777
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:22,519
maybe he's not quite ready for that level, but that

778
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,559
he can still develop. He's not an old guy, you know,

779
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,320
and that was a big win for him. And then

780
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,639
in terms of BILLM. Smith, he scored a very good

781
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,639
victory against Brandon Glanton, who came into this fight having

782
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,519
never fought anybody before, but showed even in the loss

783
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,599
he's a guy you want to see again. And for

784
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,480
Bill and Smith, he gets a decision overcame a cut

785
00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:44,039
over his eye. This was his first fight since the

786
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,440
end of last year when he lost his title and

787
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:49,280
the unification against Aerdo Romerez. It was a like an

788
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,639
eight to four kind of fight on the cars, but

789
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,079
he really got beaten off. That was a very physically

790
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,360
grinding beatdown that he took against Zerdo Ramirez. So this

791
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,559
was a good bounce back fight for him. He's right

792
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:00,440
back in the picture for any of the bigger I mean,

793
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,559
he's not going to get a rematch probably Wizard or

794
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:04,599
anything like that, but he can certainly be in a

795
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:06,880
position to be in an eliminator or fight, you know,

796
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,119
somebody with a belt that there's one around for him.

797
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:12,119
He always makes good fights, so I thought the card itself.

798
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:14,679
Obviously the main event was the big thing, great fight.

799
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,159
The whole undercard other than like the first eight rounds

800
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:21,199
of the Yard fight against Arthur was a pretty entertaining show.

801
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,039
I can't complain, especially if you're buying a pay per

802
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:25,480
view in America. Anyway, it was only like twenty five bucks,

803
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:27,760
so I felt like I definitely got my money's worth

804
00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:30,960
and we saw some guys take step forward and again

805
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:33,119
McKenna Lian Smith. Maybe it wasn't a great fight, but

806
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:35,719
I thought it was just a really, really, really outstanding

807
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,599
performance from mckenn.

808
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: I was very impressed by him.

809
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: We have fulfilled the recap portion of the pod and man,

810
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,679
there was a lot there and I know we spent

811
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,159
a lot of time on worth a did you bank

812
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,000
Junior and Ben, but absolutely worth it. All right, let's

813
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,320
get to him. Canelo Alvarez is now back in action,

814
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:56,119
coming up in Saudi Arabia for the first time ever.

815
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:59,840
Canelo already there, Canello getting ready to fight William Skull,

816
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:03,840
trying to once again become undisputed, as the IBF bestowed

817
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,519
their belt on mister Skull in a vacant title fight.

818
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:12,280
Air quotes all right, So Big Dan with Canelo.

819
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: Right now, let me set this up for quick, please

820
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,719
do go ahead. So I spoke to Canelo just before

821
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,920
he left to go to Saudi Arabia, so that's the

822
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,719
first thing you'll see, you know, you'll hear so he

823
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,719
hadn't actually yet arrived yet. But I want to just

824
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,119
be clear, there is a moment in this interview where

825
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:29,880
you're here. I asked him a question about his deal

826
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,360
making with Turkey Al Chic because everybody knows before they

827
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,320
made the deal there was a lot of back and

828
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,320
forth and negativity between the two of them on social media,

829
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,280
and then obviously they ended up making the deal in

830
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,559
coming together. So when I asked them about that question,

831
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:44,280
you'll hear a voice from a woman who says, no,

832
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,360
we're not going to take that question. And then Canelo

833
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,519
quickly quashed that and was like, no, don't worry about it.

834
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,800
That was Canello's publicist, who was you know, like, then,

835
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,960
then people about to pull the curtain back. As you say,

836
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:57,519
I've done a bazillion interviews. Most of the time, when

837
00:37:57,559 --> 00:37:59,920
you do these types of interviews, you know the publicist

838
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,000
is listening in or is on the call, maybe not

839
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:04,119
in the screenshot if he took in a video, but

840
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:05,960
they're there just to make sure things don't go off

841
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,079
the rails, and I have no, never had a problem

842
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,840
with that. But that was the interruption you hear, and

843
00:38:11,199 --> 00:38:14,599
Canelo quickly was like, no, I don't worry about it.

844
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:17,000
It wasn't even like it wasn't like a controversial question.

845
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,159
And Canello knows me a long time. He was fine

846
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:21,519
with it. So anyway, that's the interruption you'll hear very briefly.

847
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: All right, So now let's get to that conversation about

848
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,199
why he did that deal with Turkey Alshika two. The

849
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,559
name Terrence Crawford's part of why he did that deal.

850
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,400
But here it in his own words, says he's with

851
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,280
Dan in advance of the fight coming this weekend, it.

852
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,039
Speaker 3: Is my great pleasure to once again and welcome back

853
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,960
to our podcast none other than the man himself, the

854
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:42,000
unified super mid aweight champ of the world, Canelo Alvarez.

855
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:44,000
Canelo will tell the folks what you've got coming up.

856
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,039
You're gonna be taking on the IBF title holder, William Skull.

857
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,079
It's a unification fight in an effort few to once

858
00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:52,519
again become the undisputed champion of the one hundred and

859
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,039
sixty eight pound weight class will take place May third

860
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,480
in Riad, Saudi Arabia, live on pay per view. So welcome,

861
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,960
Thank you very much for doing this.

862
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,079
Speaker 4: No, it's my pleasure done. Always a pleasure to be

863
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:04,760
with you here.

864
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,519
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. So, first of all, this is going

865
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:11,320
to be in your long career, your first fight to

866
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,159
take place outside of the United States and your home

867
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,960
country of Mexico. I wonder if you're if you're looking

868
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,079
forward to the make I know you've been to Saudi

869
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:21,599
Arabia to visit, but in terms of to actually go

870
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:23,039
there to fight, are you looking forward to this?

871
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: And what did it take you?

872
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 3: What did it take to convince you to go there,

873
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:29,880
other than I guess whatever the big money uh that

874
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,639
Vanello Alvarez is going to make for any time he

875
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:32,719
steps into the boxing ring.

876
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 5: You know, I always say that for me, fighting in

877
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,920
other countries, what's a dream.

878
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:40,639
Speaker 4: No, in my career.

879
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 5: I think I can accomplish everything in my career already,

880
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:47,119
So this kind of thing is more even myself because

881
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,559
fighting in another countries is something new for me, another

882
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:55,000
experience for me for my career. And and and I'm

883
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:59,119
very excited to to to be fighting outside of USA

884
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:04,760
or my country Mexico. So that kind of thing is

885
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,679
motive myself, especially at this point of my career.

886
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 4: I really accomplish everything, So this kind of things motivey myself.

887
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: But also, let's be honest, it was a big paycheck

888
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,800
come along with it too, right.

889
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 5: I always always, of course, I always say I just

890
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,559
go outside of my country or USA.

891
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 4: It's a big money there.

892
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 5: So but I no matter what, if it's in USA

893
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,880
or my country, I always make a lot.

894
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,199
Speaker 3: Of money, exactly, And I just wonder be because of that.

895
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,519
Is there even a small part of you that's maybe disappointed.

896
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:40,719
I know you're looking forward to as you just talked

897
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,480
about going there and finding a new place. Yeah, but

898
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:45,960
any slightness when you're not in Vegas on the single

899
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,480
to my weekend with your fans who always turn out

900
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,519
for you and probably won't be making the trip to

901
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:52,239
Saudi Arabia.

902
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, sometimes you know about the money, it's

903
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:01,320
about to have a different experience in my career, and

904
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,960
the only thing I can do for my fans in

905
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,320
this situation is that I'm gonna fight in Sunday morning

906
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:12,920
then in Saud Arabia and they can watch my fight

907
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,480
at the same time Saturday here and people say, or Mexico.

908
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: So just so people people understand that you're gonna fight,

909
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,159
but the time you enter the ring and ring.

910
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: In the morning something someday like that, the.

911
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,519
Speaker 3: Same time we always watch here in the United States.

912
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:27,960
In Mexico so different.

913
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 5: You can watch the fight here at the same time,

914
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:35,519
so you always watch it, and you know, my fans,

915
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,159
they're gonna understand me that.

916
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 4: For me, fighting in other.

917
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,599
Speaker 5: Countries at this point of my career makes sense a

918
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:47,760
lot because I always try to to go to other

919
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,559
countries to have the experience in my career to fighting

920
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,400
outside of my country and the USA.

921
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: But before you were able to make this arrangement with Turkey,

922
00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:59,679
you know, there's a lot of back and forth between

923
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,519
the two of you on the social media platforms uh

924
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:05,800
that were somewhat negative about not doing a fight with him,

925
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,679
or you know, him having some bad things to say

926
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:12,480
about you. Obviously, Uh that was overcome or we can't.

927
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: Talk about that right now. No, no, no, no, no, it's fine.

928
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:17,599
Who say no, Okay, I'll.

929
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,679
Speaker 2: Just tell our listeners that's.

930
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: No problem, no problem.

931
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: That uh no, that that that that was overcome and

932
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,719
that you have made apparently a four fight agreement to

933
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,559
work with him for this fight against Skull, the Crawford

934
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:33,920
fight in the fall, and two more fights next year

935
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,239
in Saudi Arabia. So my question you is, how are

936
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,239
you guys able to overcome that or was it just

937
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,280
a matter of you guys.

938
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 5: Reviews, misunderstand misunderstanding mess. You know, the communication is very important.

939
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,400
That's why communication is one of the best, one of

940
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:53,800
the most important things in in in in in person.

941
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,840
You need to communicate the things right right. We don't

942
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,920
have that communication and straightforward. It's always somebody in the middle,

943
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,400
so we never like I talked directly at this point

944
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,639
when I was in London and I went there just

945
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,119
to say, hey, I don't have bad things to say

946
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:21,719
about you. I don't I don't even know you, so

947
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,079
how I can I can say about this.

948
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 4: I'm not that kind of guy. And everything is good.

949
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,239
And then and then the business came.

950
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 5: But I go there to to London and said to

951
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:36,840
to to say to him, I never do respect anybody.

952
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,360
I'm not that kind of guy because I don't need it,

953
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,320
and I'm not that kind of person. So and then

954
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:48,800
the business came, you know, and I think it's bad communication.

955
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 4: Communication, all right.

956
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 3: So now you go and you fight against William Skullan.

957
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,960
So I must ask you about that. Back when you

958
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,239
were fighting against Jimi Mangia, he was an eight rounder

959
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:03,519
buried on your undercard that was so deep on the

960
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:07,519
undercard that it wasn't even a part of the preliminary stream.

961
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,639
And even somebody like myself Canelo always gets in hereinga

962
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,159
really early. It was even too early from when I

963
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,199
got to the areena. I didn't see the fight. So

964
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,559
my question is you got stripped then in your next

965
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:21,079
fight going into the Berlanga fight of the IBF title

966
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:23,320
because you didn't fight him as a mandatory and you

967
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,800
even had said to myself and others, who is this guy?

968
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,679
Speaker 4: You know, that's why I don't know William.

969
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: So he went on to win the title that they

970
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,159
took away from you, even though clearly you were the

971
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:36,639
number one fighter in your weight class. Uh So why

972
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,079
fight him now You've already been undisputed. It's not like

973
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:41,840
you need that to complete the collection like you did

974
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:42,960
when you fought Kayla Planned.

975
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, you know, uh do you saw how

976
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:53,840
I I get into disputed right and eleven months three

977
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:59,639
on the three on defeated fighters and decent At this point,

978
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,440
I I think this fight makes sense more for everybody

979
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:09,840
for two Kiashi and as because you know wants me

980
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,639
to recuperate that title back so and be on disputed again.

981
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,320
So and me too because I'm gonna be the the

982
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:21,480
two times on disputit fighter.

983
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:22,559
Speaker 2: Brandie.

984
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: You're also you're the only one they ever do it

985
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,920
even once, and so you would obviously become the first

986
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:27,519
and only to do it twice.

987
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, So May Saints I think I think May Saints

988
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,039
a lot for for at this point of my career.

989
00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:36,679
Speaker 3: Okay, so we all know what is supposed to be next.

990
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:39,519
If everything goes well for you in the fight with Skull,

991
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,880
that it's supposed to be the Terrence Crawford fight in September.

992
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,840
What is the level of your excitement about the possibility

993
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,360
of the Crawford fight, because you hadn't really shown a

994
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,880
lot of interest, even though he was calling you out

995
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,000
left and right. You had said it really didn't interest you.

996
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:53,519
Now obviously you've accepted the match.

997
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 5: You know, I don't have that in my mind right now,

998
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,320
I'm kind of person focused on Williams school because I

999
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,840
need to to put all my focus on this fight,

1000
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:08,880
and I don't even thinking about craft fight.

1001
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 4: We don't have nothing yet with GRAF obviously it's I

1002
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:20,880
think they they want and but uh, hundred person focused

1003
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:21,599
on William's school.

1004
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 5: I'm not all that kind of why talking about other

1005
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,000
fights before I finished one?

1006
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,039
Speaker 3: So I should I should ask you about the two

1007
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:34,280
twenty twenty six fights and maybe a BVO rematch un

1008
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,960
disputed or anything else focused person.

1009
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:41,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, always always good things come come.

1010
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,400
So hundred person focus on William's school. Yeah, doesn't make

1011
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,519
sense if we're talking about other fights. You know, it's

1012
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,159
something we we already know, there's something they really want

1013
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,199
for September.

1014
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,519
Speaker 3: You know what I was interested in is as we

1015
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:00,920
as I mentioned before you you defet did himI Magia

1016
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,400
in one of your fights last year. Now that he's

1017
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,320
working with with Eddie Renoso training him and he's part

1018
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,760
of your camp. Now he's going to be on this

1019
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,199
undercard and a rematch trying to evannge a loss to

1020
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,159
Bruos Arasse. Uh, I wonder how was it to have

1021
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,119
your old foe in the camp with you. And I

1022
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:18,280
say that because when you were doing the fight against him,

1023
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,360
I always had the impression leading up to your fight

1024
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:22,039
that you guys kind of liked each other, and now

1025
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:22,719
it's part of the team.

1026
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 5: No, Like I say, then, I don't like to fight

1027
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:32,159
with Mexico because because I support Mexico and I support

1028
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:36,920
that talent from Mexico. Right, and we have this fight

1029
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,599
with Jimia and with father and everything.

1030
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 4: But he asked him for help with Eddie, and I'm

1031
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,159
I don't I don't mind. I don't mind. I really

1032
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,119
I really like it because with Eddie, but he's.

1033
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: Gonna learn a lot and think good sparring for you too,

1034
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,079
I would think, No, we.

1035
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 5: Don't aspiring yet. If we're aspiring, we're going to help

1036
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:04,199
each other. Obviously it is way different, but.

1037
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: I like it.

1038
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 5: I like to be there and see how much he's

1039
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,599
improved with Eddy and and the way he's working. He

1040
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,599
worked hard and and and I like the idea support

1041
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:21,719
my people.

1042
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,679
Speaker 3: Let me wrap up with just one more question. You're

1043
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,599
talking about the stage of your career. You mentioned that

1044
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:29,599
phrase a number of times, and I wonder you've done

1045
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:31,800
so many things all the titles, all the big fights,

1046
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,960
all the money, all the accolades. I wondered, what are

1047
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,320
what are the goals that remain for you still in

1048
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,800
your career, you know, however long it may last, you know, do.

1049
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:42,639
Speaker 4: The best things.

1050
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 5: I don't know two years, three years, I don't know

1051
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,000
how many years more. But I do the best things

1052
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:53,400
for my career, and like this. Fighting in other countries

1053
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:58,400
was is one of my dreams and now.

1054
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,519
Speaker 4: Is close. So I like that kind of things for

1055
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,920
my career right now.

1056
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate your time and I look forward to

1057
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,880
seeing the fight, even if I won't be a chance

1058
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,599
to be in Saudi Arabia. But I wish you best

1059
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:14,599
of luck and as always, thanks a lot for doing this.

1060
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: Thank you. Then, So there we go, and as you mentioned,

1061
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,800
he is now ready to try to get a portion

1062
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:26,679
back and become undisputed once again at one sixty eight

1063
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,000
for Canelo and the first of this multi fight deal.

1064
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,400
Final thoughts. Having seen him in advance, and again, as

1065
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,960
you pointed out, this is before he had left to

1066
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,079
go to Saudi Arabia. I saw something where he is

1067
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:39,920
already there. He has already gotten there for fight week

1068
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,119
for this week, So go ahead.

1069
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:43,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been there actually, I think about two weeks

1070
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:44,239
or maybe two and a half weeks.

1071
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: Look, he was.

1072
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say necessarily excited for the fight, but was,

1073
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,239
and he has talked about this in the past. He

1074
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:55,599
is sort of intrigued by fighting elsewhere. Besides as much

1075
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:58,079
as he enjoys obviously fighting in the United States and

1076
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,960
when he's able to fight in Mexico, but something he's

1077
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,559
wanted to do for a long time. Now he's doing that,

1078
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:04,760
and as we joked around, you know it's not only

1079
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,559
for that, but it's also that big pile of money

1080
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:09,239
which he's being paid, you know, extraordinarily well to do

1081
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,760
this kind of fight. So Canelo's back in action.

1082
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: I know.

1083
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 3: It's not the highest profile Canelo fight there's ever been,

1084
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,360
but the the I guess, the ends justify the means,

1085
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,440
so to speak, because if he wins, he's undisputed again.

1086
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,960
He said that was a big deal for me because

1087
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,280
there'll be two time never been done in the four

1088
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,159
belt there in the same weight class by the same guy.

1089
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,519
And also it sets up the Crawford fight to also

1090
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:32,960
be for undisputed, which we'll have a lot of historical

1091
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,639
full historical ramifications.

1092
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: No doubt, and again we may mention to this podcast

1093
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,920
audience if you're hearing us only as is the case,

1094
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,239
you can see. We'll just go ahead and say you

1095
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,360
can see the interview with Canelo. Go check it on

1096
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,559
the Big Fight wee can YouTube page and you'll see

1097
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:56,119
Dan with Canelo the same way, amazingly similar questions and answers,

1098
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:58,559
by the way. Go see it on the Big Fight

1099
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:00,800
Weekend YouTube page as part of our coverage there, and

1100
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,360
again make sure you're subscribed there for this kind of content.

1101
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,960
Nice get and thank you to Canelo and his people

1102
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,159
and everybody involved with the with the promotion upcoming from

1103
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:14,599
the Saudy Entertainment Authority and everybody else that's in that interview.

1104
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,559
You good? Did you score yourself there?

1105
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:16,639
Speaker 2: All?

1106
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: Probably you're you? We always expect that, all right, all right,

1107
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,440
so well done on getting him. Go see go see

1108
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,719
the moving Canelo with the moving Dan Rayphaiel on the

1109
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,559
Big Fight we can uh YouTube page there. With that,

1110
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:34,159
all right, let's get to some news, uh, and then

1111
00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:36,039
before we wrap it up, we'll touch on the nostalgia

1112
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:37,679
that we also want you to watch on the YouTube

1113
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,800
page too. We're pushing you every which direction. Okay, speaking

1114
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,960
of heavyweights, and later this summer, Canelo a figurative heavyweight,

1115
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:47,639
I make my segue to the literal. Well, I guess

1116
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:49,960
we got to say. He's the former undisputed heavyweight champion

1117
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,840
now trying to much similarly get the IBF belt back

1118
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,559
against Daniel Duoa. Alexander Usik and Daniel Dubois announcements Sunday afternoon,

1119
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:00,840
as we were preparing to do this pod cast, they

1120
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,159
made it official. Give the deats that it is Usik

1121
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,280
Dubois to when where what's the update? Real quick?

1122
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a surprise. This has been long expected. They

1123
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,440
will meet on July nineteenth for the undisputed title. It'll

1124
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,760
be the IBF title that Duoi holds up against the

1125
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,119
other belts, the rest of the belts that the lineal

1126
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:21,360
champion Alexander Russa calls. Will take place, like I said,

1127
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,519
July nineteenth, Wembley Stadium, be at the Zone pay per view,

1128
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:27,480
and they'll have the official press conference on Tuesday. But

1129
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,320
they did put out the formal announcement on Sunday. It's

1130
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,000
been ready to go for the last couple of days,

1131
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,480
I guess, but I guess they were just waiting for

1132
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:37,719
the Connor Ben and Chris Hubank evented to be taken

1133
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,960
care of. And you know because Queensberry is obviously the

1134
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,480
promoter of this fight, but they were not going to

1135
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:45,039
step on the Zone, which is their partner, right well,

1136
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:47,280
they were doing the U Bank and the Ben promotion anyway,

1137
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,000
So yeah, they're going to go back and do it again.

1138
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:51,440
And everybody remembers if you follow along with the heavyweight

1139
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:55,639
landscape that in August of twenty twenty three, back at

1140
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:58,760
the time before Alexander USA had become the undisputed champion,

1141
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,800
but he held the other three belts. He did not

1142
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,880
at that time hold the WBC title that's still at

1143
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,280
that moment belonged to Tyson Furry, as well as the

1144
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,920
lineal title, but he had a mandatory to do against

1145
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:11,400
Dubois at that time for the WBA because he was

1146
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,199
the WBA champion. Dubi was the so called regular champion. Anyway,

1147
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:18,360
they met in Poland, which was about the closest place

1148
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,840
they could possibly do the fight to Alexander Usik's home

1149
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,400
country of Ukraine, and Poland of course has you know

1150
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,480
a huge population of Ukrainians, many of whom have you know,

1151
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:31,480
fled there because of the war, so that was about

1152
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,039
his hometown to get and he put on a great

1153
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,519
performance that night. You know, let's not even get into

1154
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:38,920
the nonsense about the you know, the fake low blow,

1155
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,119
the legal punch that that they tried to complain about

1156
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:44,039
being a low blow. But even besides that, Usak totally

1157
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,840
dominated Dubi, knocked him down with a jab at the

1158
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,800
end of the day and made him quit on his

1159
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,239
knee in the ninth round, and that was a very

1160
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,920
bad performance and a very bad loss for Duba. However,

1161
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:59,280
to Duboi's credit, he has earned the opportunity, in my opinion,

1162
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,960
to have this remat because I would I mean, just

1163
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,800
to preface it, I personally would rather have seen Ousig

1164
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,719
do the mandatory against Joseph Parker, who I believe has

1165
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:09,920
a valid claim.

1166
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and he's earned it too. But Dubois, I

1167
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,599
know what you're saying. Du Blois starching Anthony Joshua really

1168
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:19,199
set this into motion, and we got plenty of time

1169
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,400
to talk in the build up about why, but whatever.

1170
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 3: But he has earned you know, I'm not mad about

1171
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,079
it at all. I'm just saying, if you made me choose,

1172
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,320
I would have picked Parker, but the reality is why

1173
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,239
has earned the opportunity, because he didn't just you know,

1174
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,199
go off into space and we don't see him for

1175
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,000
two years. He came back, you know, four months later

1176
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,559
he scored a really good victory, knockout victory by uh

1177
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,159
uh in a really good fight against the undefeated Gerald Miller.

1178
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,960
Then he went in the next fight against the undefeated

1179
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:50,400
Olympic medalist, number one contender Philip Herkovic. He stopped him

1180
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,960
on cuts in the eighth round. That gave him the

1181
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:55,559
w or the IBF interim title. And because Fury was

1182
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:58,960
contracted to the rematch after having beaten Tyson Fury for

1183
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:02,440
the LIN title and the WBC and all the belts

1184
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,239
that he had, he was forced to vacate because the

1185
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,960
mandatory was due, and so they elevated. They elevated Daniel

1186
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,679
Debat to that title. Then he went out there and

1187
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:16,079
he absolutely destroyed Anthony Joshua and he spectacular knockout a

1188
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:19,519
just an incredibly one sided devastation in the fifth round

1189
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:21,719
in front of a gigantic crowd at Wembley Stadium back

1190
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,639
in September. So now ten months later he's going to

1191
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:27,039
fight Alexander Usik, all the belts will be at steak.

1192
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:28,559
So people were asking me, like, how can all the

1193
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,239
belts be stake when there's mandatories. So in terms of

1194
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,320
the IBF, they've made this deal before the per spit

1195
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,079
order was sent out and we discussed all that on

1196
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,880
the last show. Yeah, so the IBF absolutely within their

1197
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,079
roles to say okay to a unification fight instead of

1198
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:48,440
the mandatory, and the WBO has also agreed that, you know,

1199
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,400
they will grant the exception and you know, I don't

1200
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,519
know what the word was they used because of extraordinary

1201
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,760
circumstances or some candet extent, because in the reality it

1202
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,840
is better for boxing further to be an undisputed champion

1203
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,280
and so therefore this will go forward. I don't think

1204
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,480
that Joseph Parker, who was also with Queensberry, has been

1205
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,400
complaining or moaning about it. He's not making a big

1206
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,880
stink about it. So if no one's being agree then

1207
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:09,400
so be it.

1208
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,559
Speaker 1: Call me crazy. Joseph Parker's probably in the co feature

1209
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:17,239
and possibly getting the winner. Who knows. I mean, it

1210
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,360
possibly makes sense. It would make sense because Parker was

1211
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,280
within days of fighting Dubois when Dubois left Saudi Arabia,

1212
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,480
was sick, couldn't fight, So that would make sense if

1213
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,079
that's case one more than we're going to move on.

1214
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:33,119
Does it surprise you that I know money's involved, huge

1215
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:35,519
money's involved. But this is a road game. This is

1216
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:39,760
at Wembley, in Dubois's atmosphere here. He did it before

1217
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,639
beating Anthony Joshua in the first fight at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.

1218
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:49,119
But now after having fought Usik twice in having fought

1219
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,320
Fury twice in Saudi Arabia, he fought Duboin and Poland,

1220
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,639
as you mentioned, he's now going to go to Wimbley

1221
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:56,159
and this is the home game for Duboi. What do

1222
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:56,559
you think of that?

1223
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 3: I think that Alexander Usik is the greatest road warrior

1224
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,400
maybe in the history of boxing. End of story. This

1225
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,760
man could not give a fuck where the fight won't

1226
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,519
bother him, not at all. He fought Derek Chesare at

1227
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,039
in London. He fought in the United States, right, Yeah,

1228
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:13,719
but that okay, that we already talked about. So he

1229
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,519
did that fight there. If you go back and look

1230
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:16,920
at what he's done, he fought when he had his

1231
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,920
first heavyweight fight against Chas Withers. When he came to

1232
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,079
the United States and fought the American in Chicago. When

1233
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:23,800
he fought Tony Bellu in a cruiserweight title defense who's

1234
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,280
from England, he fought him in Manchester. When he fought

1235
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,679
Marac Gassia in a unification fight for the undiscrited cruiserweight title,

1236
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,000
he fought him in Moscow, Gaussia is a Russian when

1237
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:35,280
he fought Myris Bradist and a cruiserweight title fight. Before that,

1238
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,400
he fought him in Riga, Latia, which is Marius braid

1239
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,519
as his hometown. And before that, by the way, when

1240
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:41,440
he fought markco Hook and a cruiserweight world title fight

1241
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:43,960
far Marco Hook in Germany, which is where he's from.

1242
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:46,239
Before that he came to the United States, he fought

1243
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,480
Michael Hunter, an American in Maryland. The fight I was

1244
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:50,920
actually ringsighte for the one time. Before that, when he

1245
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,280
fought to bis so Muchunu in a fight in California

1246
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:56,400
that was a South African against Ukrainian that was at

1247
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,519
least neutral territory. When he fought Christophe Gloatski in a

1248
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,800
dumb VBO cruiserweight title fight. In the fight before that

1249
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,079
in twenty sixteen, by the way, he fought him in Poland,

1250
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:06,880
which is where Luwaski is. From my point is since

1251
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,559
twenty fifteen, when he was fighting some of those handful

1252
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:12,800
of early fights of his in Ukraine, every single fight

1253
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,639
basically that he's had as a meaningful fighter has either

1254
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:18,039
been a neutral territory or in the other guy's backyard,

1255
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,119
with the lone exception of the Dua first fight, which

1256
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:23,960
was in Poland, which was a heavily Ukrainian crowd because

1257
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,840
of its proximity to the borders of Ukraine. So to

1258
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:32,239
ask that he's concerned about fighting in London is absolutely zero,

1259
00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:35,760
zero problem for Alexander Russik. He's an all time road.

1260
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:39,079
Speaker 1: Warrior, okay. And then moving right along, you did mention

1261
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:44,280
on the preview pod going into the weekend that Brian

1262
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:49,559
Norman was apparently in serious negotiations Top Rank was with

1263
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:52,400
the Japanese fighter Jen Sasaki to be the next opponent

1264
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,559
for the WBO welterweight title that is now made official.

1265
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:57,599
Top Rank has now announced it, So fill in the

1266
00:58:57,639 --> 00:58:59,719
blanks for the audience here on when that is a

1267
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:00,880
officially gonna be.

1268
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:05,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was talking to to Brian Norman's manager, Joline Mazzone,

1269
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:06,920
and and she had said to me, as did the

1270
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,440
top bring people, that that was one of the things

1271
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,119
they were talking about. That was a good possibility, but

1272
00:59:11,119 --> 00:59:12,960
they were looking at other options. And then when then

1273
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,920
the fight was made within a few days later, she said,

1274
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,800
it really came together very quickly. They always knew that

1275
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,599
it was a strong possibility, but in the end the

1276
00:59:21,679 --> 00:59:23,559
offer was the right one, I guess, and they took

1277
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:25,480
the chance, and they're going to go to Japan if

1278
00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:28,719
I will take place on it'll take place on June nineteenth.

1279
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,960
It'll be in Tokyo and Sasaki. You know, if you've

1280
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,639
watched some of the undercard fights from the ESPN Plus

1281
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,159
cards that have taken place in Japan, Sasaki has been

1282
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:42,079
seen on those cards. So he's an exciting fighter, offensive minded.

1283
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:45,440
And that that to me was kind of a surprise

1284
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,000
that they took that chance, because I thought maybe they

1285
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:49,480
would keep him in the United States against a more

1286
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:52,480
known fighter here. Anyway, you know, the welterweight division is

1287
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,079
not the deepest in the world, but look there, this

1288
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:57,559
kid is not you know, I think he was serious

1289
00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:59,440
when he said to me in our interview before he

1290
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,039
fought for the title, that you know, he'll fight anybody,

1291
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,440
you know, for a guy like that, who's twenty four

1292
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,440
years old, who's the youngest male active world champion in

1293
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,079
boxing today to in his second title defense, pack up

1294
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:13,440
and go to Japan to fight a Japanese who is

1295
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,719
a highly regarded fighter that has pretty good power. I

1296
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,000
give him credit for that, so that that's interesting to me.

1297
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,159
It'll be ESPN plus the United State. It's one of

1298
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:24,639
those breakfasts with breakfast in boxing where you get up

1299
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:25,920
at you know, five or four in the morning to

1300
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,360
watch the fight. And they also announced this is a

1301
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,039
fight that was already made that I reported about, but

1302
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,199
this is going to be the co feature and if

1303
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:34,280
you're into the little guys, this is the vacant IBF

1304
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,199
Junior Flyway title. This will be between Christian Aaronetta and

1305
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:42,159
Cinsriri from Thailand, and that will be for the title

1306
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:46,760
that when Masamichi Yabuki, who held that belt, he moved

1307
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,320
up and won the Flyway title of the IBF back

1308
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,639
in March, he would have to face a decision do

1309
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:55,239
I stick around and keep the title at twelve or I,

1310
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,079
you know, give up the title at one hundred eight.

1311
01:00:57,159 --> 01:00:58,719
He elected to give up the title one hundred eight

1312
01:00:58,719 --> 01:00:59,960
and retain the belt that fly.

1313
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:00,159
Speaker 2: Aye.

1314
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:02,119
Speaker 3: Wait, so this is going to fill that vacancy. So

1315
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:04,280
that's a double world title fight. They've got, you know,

1316
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,760
another Japanese up and comer on that undercard as well.

1317
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,400
But Brian Norman is a guy I'm very interested to watch.

1318
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,000
You look good in the Quavis fight when he when

1319
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:14,800
he made the first defense. He obviously looks sensational when

1320
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,519
he won the interim belt against Santion in an upset.

1321
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,639
So hopefully they can keep the young kid busy and

1322
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,639
you know, be back in the ring every few months

1323
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,880
while he finds hopefully a bigger fight.

1324
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: And talk about Road Warrior. He's getting paid and now

1325
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,280
you make yourself even more relevant if you go win

1326
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,400
a fight like that in Japan for Norman, they're intriguing.

1327
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,000
And again we got some time for the build up

1328
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:38,320
on that with that one coming in June. Okay, good

1329
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,920
stuff on the news now, as we share with the

1330
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,880
podcast audience, we started doing this on the previous pod

1331
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:49,840
that there is nostalgia, but we want you to go

1332
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,599
watch the video of Dan and me talking about the

1333
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:55,400
nostalgia here again, brother rayphel We're pushing them to the

1334
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,599
big fight week in YouTube page, and the two fights

1335
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:02,679
that we are talking about on that YouTube page are

1336
01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:07,360
both anniversaries that are upcoming on Tuesday, April to twenty ninth,

1337
01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:10,760
That is April to twenty ninth, two thy twenty five

1338
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,199
years ago. That was your first That was at your

1339
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,599
first ever heavyweight title fight or first ever title fight period,

1340
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,719
as you began as the official USA Today Boxing Insider

1341
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:21,840
on April twenty ninth, thirty.

1342
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:24,079
Speaker 3: My first world not my first world title fight, but

1343
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:26,039
it was my first This is just a old time.

1344
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:28,800
This is Lennox Lewis's title defense against Michael.

1345
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: Grant, first heavyweight world title fight.

1346
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,159
Speaker 3: Madison Square Garden. Not only my first heavyweight title fight,

1347
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,800
but it was my first fight that I was sent

1348
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,599
on the road for about a month after I had

1349
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:42,119
started the job as as the boxing writer for US.

1350
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:44,639
Speaker 1: Now, don't reveal all the stuff that you're gonna say

1351
01:02:44,679 --> 01:02:45,880
in the video, but I like it.

1352
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 3: I like to just sing that was that was a

1353
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,880
very big deal for me. And Vladimir Klitchko was on

1354
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,679
the undercard. That's the first time I ever met him

1355
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:53,960
and there were some other good fights.

1356
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:57,119
Speaker 1: Did you did you save Vladimir Klitchkow because you moved

1357
01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:01,400
forward seventeen years to April to twenty ninth, the same day,

1358
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,239
which is now as we do this here on the

1359
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:07,440
pod eight years ago, April twenty nine, twenty seventeen, is

1360
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:11,639
arguably one of the top few fights that you've ever

1361
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:14,480
been to. The way that you described the atmosphere and

1362
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:18,079
everything that they need to go see on the video

1363
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:21,519
of Vladimir Klitchko, Anthony Joshua Well Wimbley stated, first of all,

1364
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:24,159
I cannot believe that as we sit here right now,

1365
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:25,239
that was already eight years ago.

1366
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 3: That was the twenty seventeen fight, all all right, one

1367
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,880
of the most extraordinary experiences I have ever had in.

1368
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: I get Dan's full account of that on the Big

1369
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:40,599
Fight Weekend YouTube page, and again we're bribing you. Go there, h'it,

1370
01:03:40,679 --> 01:03:45,199
subscribe and also screenshot it and pair that up with

1371
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,719
rating us and reviewing us. I mean, this is tremendous stuff.

1372
01:03:48,719 --> 01:03:51,840
With Dan talking about the whole fight week at Wimbley

1373
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,239
for am I correct, first time you had been at

1374
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,239
Wimbley for a big time fight like this, not at

1375
01:03:57,239 --> 01:03:59,320
the stadium right. You may have been at Wimbley Arena.

1376
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:00,360
I'm trying to remember on that.

1377
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:02,519
Speaker 3: Well, no, Wembley Arena. I never covered a fight at

1378
01:04:02,519 --> 01:04:05,719
Wembley Arena, but during the fight week for Clitchkow and Joshua,

1379
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,400
Wembley Arena was where they did the workouts. It's where

1380
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,119
they did the waigh and I had covered other fights

1381
01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:12,039
in the UK, but yes, that was my first time

1382
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:13,079
being inside the stadium.

1383
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:15,679
Speaker 1: Stamp and get dan stories from that. So again, the

1384
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,320
twenty ninth Tuesday has great nostalgia in the heavyweight division

1385
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,199
with Lennox Lewis and a KO at Madison Square Garden

1386
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,440
in two thousand and Anthony Joshua and that epic fight

1387
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:28,440
with clitchco. I mean, this is what I come back to.

1388
01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:30,920
Go see it on the YouTube page, go see the videos.

1389
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,559
Subscribe there you get full accounting of it. It's great.

1390
01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:36,239
This is what I come back to. As we began

1391
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,079
the pod that that bombing back and forth by Joshua

1392
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:44,119
and Klitchkow resulted in knockdowns. In that fight, Connor Ben

1393
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:46,199
and Chris u Bank banged on each other for thirty

1394
01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:49,039
six wild minutes, including the last couple of rounds of

1395
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:53,599
just all out slugfest and nobody went down. It's amazing.

1396
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:58,079
It's amazing to put that in perspective again one more time.

1397
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,199
So great stuff here on the RecA. We're ready for

1398
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:04,159
a massive week this week. Anything else or are we

1399
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,719
good off the weekend here as we get ready to

1400
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:08,239
head to the month of May later on this.

1401
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 3: Week, Like you said, it's a huge week coming up,

1402
01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:12,280
because we got Friday night, you got the Ryan Garcia,

1403
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:17,000
Roly Romero, Devin Haney, Jose Ramirez, Tafi Ma Lopez, Arnold

1404
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,360
Barbosa card in Times Square. The next night in Saudi

1405
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,800
Arabia is the William Skull and Canelo Alvazon disputed fight,

1406
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,280
with the rematch GM Mungie and Sarase on that card

1407
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,639
as well as other fights of consequence. And then on

1408
01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:29,840
Sunday you got the undisputed champ Know You in Away

1409
01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:33,519
defending the title in Las Vegas against Cardenas and Rafael

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Spinoza defending the featherweight title in the cold feature. That's

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a big fucking week.

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Speaker 1: It is crazy. Now we should also in the promo

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mode mention one more time as we did Friday, the

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bet Us Boxing show that we love. That's coming Wednesday

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of this week, Wednesday, one Eastern time, check us out

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live on the bet US platforms, YouTube, their social media.

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That's typically a Friday show, but we've got the Fatal

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Fury Card Times Square coming on Friday night, so this

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gives you a little more time to see us predict

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those fights. The Canelo title defense and then also the

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Naoya in a way title defense will be handicapping all

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of that one Eastern time on Wednesday, so check us

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out there and then we'll have a full preview on

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the podfeed of those fights as well. Right here Applespreaker, Spotify.

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With that, I think we are good. Dan Rayfield, thank you.

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This was a lot of fun. This was a blast.

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I know we spent a while talking about you Bank

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Junior in band, but it was worth it. One more time.

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Speaker 2: I agree, absolutely worth it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening again. Make sure that you rate

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us and review us. Go find the YouTube page, subscribe there,

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send that verification to us that you've done that. We're

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going to give something away coming up after next Sunday night.

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For everybody that's gotten in and done those two things,

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follow your directions, you've got a chance to win. For now,

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For Dan Rayfield, I'm merely TJ Reeves. You've been part

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of the Fight Freaks to Night recap podcast