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<v Speaker 1>Do you know who the sound piker is aboard?

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<v Speaker 2>I think these guys failed so spectacularly.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say progressive left, there's a tone of contempt

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<v Speaker 1>there is.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole camera was able to pick up the contempt.

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<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of people who are just like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not working. Democrats haven't done anything about it.

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<v Speaker 3>They never win.

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<v Speaker 1>Have they been given a chance?

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<v Speaker 3>You know who's going to sign the future the Democratic Party?

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<v Speaker 3>We break the news to you. They ain't that littimal okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Pro zero politics is so poisonous in the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no place for criticism of the government of Israel

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<v Speaker 3>in a demo orry party?

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<v Speaker 1>Will you endorse the twenty twenty eight candidates if they

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<v Speaker 1>are pro Israeliti? How are you feel about.

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<v Speaker 3>The mid terms? I feel very good. But the only

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<v Speaker 3>thing that can derail us is we could nominate some

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<v Speaker 3>of our wrong candidates in the wrong place and not

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<v Speaker 3>be as successful as our hope. But it's gonna be it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be massive. I mean it, see I inspite

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<v Speaker 3>of anything, we're gonna win that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The wrong candidate's what you mean by that?

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<v Speaker 3>I I see challenges from the quote a U progressive

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<v Speaker 3>left unquote, and these people were too hot headed to

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<v Speaker 3>know that they're not popular. People don't like 'em. And uh,

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<v Speaker 3>but if you get a secured turnout in a primary,

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<v Speaker 3>you might end up losing a race that you should

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<v Speaker 3>have never lost in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say progressive left, you sort of there's a

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<v Speaker 1>t tone of contempt there.

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<v Speaker 3>The yeah, yeah, so you were very wise. I hope

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<v Speaker 3>the camera that was able to pick up the contempt. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't win elections. They never run against Republicans. They

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<v Speaker 3>just run against other Democrats. Their only message is we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna blow everything up. Okay, great, and they've run for

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<v Speaker 3>pres they never win. They are have they been given

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<v Speaker 3>a chance. Huh. Let's take a let's think of somebody,

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<v Speaker 3>Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders ran for president twice, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean twice?

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<v Speaker 2>He lost.

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<v Speaker 3>By a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>James Carville says this is all going to implode at

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<v Speaker 1>the general election.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as opposed the previous neoliberal Democratic candidacies that have

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<v Speaker 2>been spectacular successes so far. You know, Hillary Rodham Clinton

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty sixteen and Kamala Harrison twenty twenty four. I

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<v Speaker 2>think these guys have failed so publicly and so spectacularly

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<v Speaker 2>that it has caused people to seek out alternatives. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I'm like exceptionally good at proselytizing the gospel

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<v Speaker 2>of socialism necessarily. I think there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people who are just like, this is not working. Cost

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<v Speaker 2>of living crisis is completely out of control. Democrats haven't

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<v Speaker 2>done anything about it. Republicans haven't done anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>There has to be a different alternative. And a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people are also very frustrated with the rise of

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<v Speaker 2>trump Ism, rise of MAGA, rise of fascism in this country.

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<v Speaker 2>They're scared. There's a lot of instability, and they see

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic Party as insufficient in dealing with trump Ism,

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<v Speaker 2>and they go out there in the streets. They want

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<v Speaker 2>to demonstrate. Who do they see on the streets? People

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<v Speaker 2>like me. They see DSA, they see PSL, they see

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<v Speaker 2>these organizations that have never stopped protesting. They don't stop

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<v Speaker 2>protesting when Democrats are in charge. They don't stop protesting

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<v Speaker 2>when Republicans are in charge. Why do they do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because the issues persist.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know who his sound piker is?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think of them?

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<v Speaker 3>Board hoard? Aim mean one Democrat and a tough election

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<v Speaker 3>that wants Hassan Paika to come in and campaign with

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<v Speaker 3>him in a general election. Do you think that Tall

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<v Speaker 3>Rico is going to advisee so Son Paika to Congress Texas?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't you think John Hassoffer's good environ I don't

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<v Speaker 3>you think well I Cooper, No, no, no, And I

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<v Speaker 3>mean he's a niche guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think you know candidates that embrace you in

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<v Speaker 1>the primary process might want to tuck you away in

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<v Speaker 1>the general election.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, But I think that'd be a mistake because the

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<v Speaker 2>reality is, not only do I have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>passionate doorknockers and organizers in my community, but also outside

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<v Speaker 2>of that, I I represent a position that is objectively popular,

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<v Speaker 2>the criticisms of Israel, that is the overwhelming majority's perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think simply leaning in to attack ads and saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're right that this person is bad, Actually, this person

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<v Speaker 2>was wrong. It was wrong with me to identify or

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<v Speaker 2>in align with him. Apol could have done that in

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<v Speaker 2>the primary as well. It was very risky for him

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<v Speaker 2>to say no, this is ridiculous. Yeah, I have disagreements

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<v Speaker 2>with him, but who cares? This is a twitch streamer,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I think that's an honest message. That's

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<v Speaker 2>something that people can understand. And as long as he

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<v Speaker 2>sticks to the issues, as long as he keeps fighting

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<v Speaker 2>for Medicare for all and keep fighting for policies that

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<v Speaker 2>will improve people's lives, that's what people are going to

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<v Speaker 2>vote for. The rest of it is just noise. You

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<v Speaker 2>look silly if you try to consistently take the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>back to an allegiance that a politician might have with

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<v Speaker 2>a twitch streamer. If the other side is saying, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to give people healthcare, it's not a great message.

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<v Speaker 1>In the primary process, of course, he has become this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of central part of a debate, right about the

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<v Speaker 1>future of the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let me tell you, we're going to have a

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<v Speaker 3>debate about the future of the Democratic Party in the

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<v Speaker 3>Democratic primaries of twenty twenty eight in Hassan Piker in

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<v Speaker 3>the Progressives. You know who's going to decide the future

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<v Speaker 3>the Democratic Party. We break the news to you Democratic

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<v Speaker 3>primary voters, primarily Southern black Democratic primary voters. Let me

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<v Speaker 3>further break the news to you because I happen to

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<v Speaker 3>have hung around Southern Black people all in my life

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<v Speaker 3>ain't that liberal? Okay, but that's now. I'm sure someone

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<v Speaker 3>on the left would say, well, we often to have

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<v Speaker 3>another process. No, we don't. And what Hassan Piker needs

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<v Speaker 3>to do is run for president. If everybody agrees, which

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<v Speaker 3>are good, run, go, cat Go. I think everybody ought

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<v Speaker 3>to run, and I think that the judgment of Democratic

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<v Speaker 3>primary voters is what I'm going to follow. But but

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<v Speaker 3>if you claim that there's all of this energy and

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<v Speaker 3>this activism, then okay, hand at it. Run for president.

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<v Speaker 1>You're allowed to take part of the democratic.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course you are. Don't run for office. What I'd

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<v Speaker 3>say is, why do these people call themselves democrats? Call

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<v Speaker 3>yourself democratic socialists? Maybe maybe what we need.

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<v Speaker 1>God, but don't.

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<v Speaker 3>But don't call yourself democrats. But where are what you

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<v Speaker 3>There's no place any place for criticism of the government

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<v Speaker 3>of Israel in a democratic party. There's no place for

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<v Speaker 3>any Semitism. But if you want to be an a

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<v Speaker 3>Semitic from your own party. The reason that most people

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<v Speaker 3>will become Democrats is the same reason I don't hate anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a big issue with the government of Israel. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I worked at Israel. It was part of the closest

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<v Speaker 3>set in history we ever come to having a a deal.

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<v Speaker 3>And I I am a full support of the right

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<v Speaker 3>of a Jewish state on the eastern Mediterranean. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the only way to have that is you have to

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<v Speaker 3>have a correspondent Palestinian state would fully recognized you. You

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<v Speaker 3>have to have security zones, you have to have massive

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<v Speaker 3>aid to the Palastinian state, and we got to have

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<v Speaker 3>peace and not walk. Now I can't stand in that

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<v Speaker 3>mayorhood and the big change that I've seen in Israel

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<v Speaker 3>as they used to actually trying to get people to

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<v Speaker 3>like 'em, don't do that more. And I I detest

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<v Speaker 3>the settlements alright, and I I I would love to

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<v Speaker 3>see the policy changes in the government of Israel. But

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<v Speaker 3>I I am a firm believer in the state of

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<v Speaker 3>this two different things. Sure, never to be confused.

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<v Speaker 1>I was or two at the DNC in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four where you said you didn't endorse Harris. Will you

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<v Speaker 1>endorse the twenty twenty eight candidates if they are pro

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<v Speaker 1>Israel in a way that you don't like. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you ultimately are about defeating fascism in this country

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<v Speaker 1>as you describe as Maga. Whatever surely shouldn't you get

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<v Speaker 1>on board with whoever the main candidate is.

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<v Speaker 4>Luckily, I don't think I will have to make that

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<v Speaker 4>calculation at all, because again, pro zero politics is so

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<v Speaker 4>poisonous in the Democratic Party, especially that there is and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm telling you right now as a promise, and you'll

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<v Speaker 4>see zero percent chance that whoever the elected Democrat is

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<v Speaker 4>that wins the primary will.

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<v Speaker 2>Be pro Israel in any way, shape or form. And

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<v Speaker 2>I will do every in my power to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that that doesn't happen regardless. But I don't think I'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to push too much. And you'll see Roba Mannuel

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<v Speaker 2>is a great example of this. Rob Emmanuel himself is

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<v Speaker 2>very critical of Israel now, very very critical of Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's clear that he has ambitions of higher office,

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<v Speaker 2>and he sees which way the winds are blowing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to happen, So that's not even a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do warn, just as I did in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen with Joe Biden, that if we don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>bold progressive candidate as someone who can take advantage of

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<v Speaker 2>the momentum of the growing socialist movement in this country

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<v Speaker 2>seek to improve the material conditions of the working class

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<v Speaker 2>in this country. It's going to be worse than Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump next time around, just as Donald Trump two was

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<v Speaker 2>far worse than Donald Trump won.

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<v Speaker 3>Ass