Speaker 1: Do you know who the sound piker is aboard?
Speaker 2: I think these guys failed so spectacularly.
Speaker 1: When you say progressive left, there's a tone of contempt
Speaker 1: there is.
Speaker 3: The whole camera was able to pick up the contempt.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who are just like,
Speaker 2: this is not working. Democrats haven't done anything about it.
Speaker 3: They never win.
Speaker 1: Have they been given a chance?
Speaker 3: You know who's going to sign the future the Democratic Party?
Speaker 3: We break the news to you. They ain't that littimal okay.
Speaker 2: Pro zero politics is so poisonous in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: There's no place for criticism of the government of Israel
Speaker 3: in a demo orry party?
Speaker 1: Will you endorse the twenty twenty eight candidates if they
Speaker 1: are pro Israeliti? How are you feel about.
Speaker 3: The mid terms? I feel very good. But the only
Speaker 3: thing that can derail us is we could nominate some
Speaker 3: of our wrong candidates in the wrong place and not
Speaker 3: be as successful as our hope. But it's gonna be it.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be massive. I mean it, see I inspite
Speaker 3: of anything, we're gonna win that thing.
Speaker 1: The wrong candidate's what you mean by that?
Speaker 3: I I see challenges from the quote a U progressive
Speaker 3: left unquote, and these people were too hot headed to
Speaker 3: know that they're not popular. People don't like 'em. And uh,
Speaker 3: but if you get a secured turnout in a primary,
Speaker 3: you might end up losing a race that you should
Speaker 3: have never lost in the first place.
Speaker 1: When you say progressive left, you sort of there's a
Speaker 1: t tone of contempt there.
Speaker 3: The yeah, yeah, so you were very wise. I hope
Speaker 3: the camera that was able to pick up the contempt. Yes,
Speaker 3: they don't win elections. They never run against Republicans. They
Speaker 3: just run against other Democrats. Their only message is we're
Speaker 3: gonna blow everything up. Okay, great, and they've run for
Speaker 3: pres they never win. They are have they been given
Speaker 3: a chance. Huh. Let's take a let's think of somebody,
Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders ran for president twice, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean twice?
Speaker 2: He lost.
Speaker 3: By a lot.
Speaker 1: James Carville says this is all going to implode at
Speaker 1: the general election.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as opposed the previous neoliberal Democratic candidacies that have
Speaker 2: been spectacular successes so far. You know, Hillary Rodham Clinton
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen and Kamala Harrison twenty twenty four. I
Speaker 2: think these guys have failed so publicly and so spectacularly
Speaker 2: that it has caused people to seek out alternatives. I
Speaker 2: don't think I'm like exceptionally good at proselytizing the gospel
Speaker 2: of socialism necessarily. I think there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people who are just like, this is not working. Cost
Speaker 2: of living crisis is completely out of control. Democrats haven't
Speaker 2: done anything about it. Republicans haven't done anything about it.
Speaker 2: There has to be a different alternative. And a lot
Speaker 2: of people are also very frustrated with the rise of
Speaker 2: trump Ism, rise of MAGA, rise of fascism in this country.
Speaker 2: They're scared. There's a lot of instability, and they see
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party as insufficient in dealing with trump Ism,
Speaker 2: and they go out there in the streets. They want
Speaker 2: to demonstrate. Who do they see on the streets? People
Speaker 2: like me. They see DSA, they see PSL, they see
Speaker 2: these organizations that have never stopped protesting. They don't stop
Speaker 2: protesting when Democrats are in charge. They don't stop protesting
Speaker 2: when Republicans are in charge. Why do they do that?
Speaker 2: Because the issues persist.
Speaker 1: Do you know who his sound piker is?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: What do you think of them?
Speaker 3: Board hoard? Aim mean one Democrat and a tough election
Speaker 3: that wants Hassan Paika to come in and campaign with
Speaker 3: him in a general election. Do you think that Tall
Speaker 3: Rico is going to advisee so Son Paika to Congress Texas?
Speaker 3: I don't you think John Hassoffer's good environ I don't
Speaker 3: you think well I Cooper, No, no, no, And I
Speaker 3: mean he's a niche guy.
Speaker 1: Do you think you know candidates that embrace you in
Speaker 1: the primary process might want to tuck you away in
Speaker 1: the general election.
Speaker 2: Maybe, But I think that'd be a mistake because the
Speaker 2: reality is, not only do I have a lot of
Speaker 2: passionate doorknockers and organizers in my community, but also outside
Speaker 2: of that, I I represent a position that is objectively popular,
Speaker 2: the criticisms of Israel, that is the overwhelming majority's perspective.
Speaker 2: So I think simply leaning in to attack ads and saying, oh,
Speaker 2: you're right that this person is bad, Actually, this person
Speaker 2: was wrong. It was wrong with me to identify or
Speaker 2: in align with him. Apol could have done that in
Speaker 2: the primary as well. It was very risky for him
Speaker 2: to say no, this is ridiculous. Yeah, I have disagreements
Speaker 2: with him, but who cares? This is a twitch streamer,
Speaker 2: you know, and I think that's an honest message. That's
Speaker 2: something that people can understand. And as long as he
Speaker 2: sticks to the issues, as long as he keeps fighting
Speaker 2: for Medicare for all and keep fighting for policies that
Speaker 2: will improve people's lives, that's what people are going to
Speaker 2: vote for. The rest of it is just noise. You
Speaker 2: look silly if you try to consistently take the conversation
Speaker 2: back to an allegiance that a politician might have with
Speaker 2: a twitch streamer. If the other side is saying, I
Speaker 2: want to give people healthcare, it's not a great message.
Speaker 1: In the primary process, of course, he has become this
Speaker 1: sort of central part of a debate, right about the
Speaker 1: future of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you, we're going to have a
Speaker 3: debate about the future of the Democratic Party in the
Speaker 3: Democratic primaries of twenty twenty eight in Hassan Piker in
Speaker 3: the Progressives. You know who's going to decide the future
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. We break the news to you Democratic
Speaker 3: primary voters, primarily Southern black Democratic primary voters. Let me
Speaker 3: further break the news to you because I happen to
Speaker 3: have hung around Southern Black people all in my life
Speaker 3: ain't that liberal? Okay, but that's now. I'm sure someone
Speaker 3: on the left would say, well, we often to have
Speaker 3: another process. No, we don't. And what Hassan Piker needs
Speaker 3: to do is run for president. If everybody agrees, which
Speaker 3: are good, run, go, cat Go. I think everybody ought
Speaker 3: to run, and I think that the judgment of Democratic
Speaker 3: primary voters is what I'm going to follow. But but
Speaker 3: if you claim that there's all of this energy and
Speaker 3: this activism, then okay, hand at it. Run for president.
Speaker 1: You're allowed to take part of the democratic.
Speaker 3: Of course you are. Don't run for office. What I'd
Speaker 3: say is, why do these people call themselves democrats? Call
Speaker 3: yourself democratic socialists? Maybe maybe what we need.
Speaker 1: God, but don't.
Speaker 3: But don't call yourself democrats. But where are what you
Speaker 3: There's no place any place for criticism of the government
Speaker 3: of Israel in a democratic party. There's no place for
Speaker 3: any Semitism. But if you want to be an a
Speaker 3: Semitic from your own party. The reason that most people
Speaker 3: will become Democrats is the same reason I don't hate anybody.
Speaker 3: I have a big issue with the government of Israel. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I worked at Israel. It was part of the closest
Speaker 3: set in history we ever come to having a a deal.
Speaker 3: And I I am a full support of the right
Speaker 3: of a Jewish state on the eastern Mediterranean. I think
Speaker 3: the only way to have that is you have to
Speaker 3: have a correspondent Palestinian state would fully recognized you. You
Speaker 3: have to have security zones, you have to have massive
Speaker 3: aid to the Palastinian state, and we got to have
Speaker 3: peace and not walk. Now I can't stand in that
Speaker 3: mayorhood and the big change that I've seen in Israel
Speaker 3: as they used to actually trying to get people to
Speaker 3: like 'em, don't do that more. And I I detest
Speaker 3: the settlements alright, and I I I would love to
Speaker 3: see the policy changes in the government of Israel. But
Speaker 3: I I am a firm believer in the state of
Speaker 3: this two different things. Sure, never to be confused.
Speaker 1: I was or two at the DNC in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four where you said you didn't endorse Harris. Will you
Speaker 1: endorse the twenty twenty eight candidates if they are pro
Speaker 1: Israel in a way that you don't like. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you ultimately are about defeating fascism in this country
Speaker 1: as you describe as Maga. Whatever surely shouldn't you get
Speaker 1: on board with whoever the main candidate is.
Speaker 4: Luckily, I don't think I will have to make that
Speaker 4: calculation at all, because again, pro zero politics is so
Speaker 4: poisonous in the Democratic Party, especially that there is and
Speaker 4: I'm telling you right now as a promise, and you'll
Speaker 4: see zero percent chance that whoever the elected Democrat is
Speaker 4: that wins the primary will.
Speaker 2: Be pro Israel in any way, shape or form. And
Speaker 2: I will do every in my power to make sure
Speaker 2: that that doesn't happen regardless. But I don't think I'll
Speaker 2: have to push too much. And you'll see Roba Mannuel
Speaker 2: is a great example of this. Rob Emmanuel himself is
Speaker 2: very critical of Israel now, very very critical of Israel,
Speaker 2: and it's clear that he has ambitions of higher office,
Speaker 2: and he sees which way the winds are blowing. It's
Speaker 2: not going to happen, So that's not even a problem.
Speaker 2: But I do warn, just as I did in twenty
Speaker 2: nineteen with Joe Biden, that if we don't have a
Speaker 2: bold progressive candidate as someone who can take advantage of
Speaker 2: the momentum of the growing socialist movement in this country
Speaker 2: seek to improve the material conditions of the working class
Speaker 2: in this country. It's going to be worse than Donald
Speaker 2: Trump next time around, just as Donald Trump two was
Speaker 2: far worse than Donald Trump won.
Speaker 3: Ass