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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBS costs video.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we're talking with tick me and Dan and

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<v Speaker 2>tick Man Dan. I just want to say thanks so

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<v Speaker 2>much for one being with us tonight and also hanging

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<v Speaker 2>into the next hour here a little bit let me

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<v Speaker 2>in a little bit more, a little more slowly, give

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<v Speaker 2>you an opportunity. You're you're developing a website which is

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<v Speaker 2>called Tickman Dan all one word dot com. Correct, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you say you're developing, is that going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a website that you hope is you know, up

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<v Speaker 2>and running and uh. And people can call during you know,

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<v Speaker 2>literally throughout the entire year when they have a question

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<v Speaker 2>or a problem. They're not able to get through one

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<v Speaker 2>night's side. But you know, sometime in September someone gets

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<v Speaker 2>bit by a tick, you could help them at that point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Because there's a lot of people that basically they

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<v Speaker 3>discover a tick and the first response is panic and

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<v Speaker 3>what do I do next? Well, I'm trying to just

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<v Speaker 3>develop a step by step response that will allow them

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<v Speaker 3>to do whatever is whatever we can do to help

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<v Speaker 3>reduce the risk.

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<v Speaker 4>Of contracting a disease from the tick.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, And there's prevention tips and other information. There, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be starting a newsletter. It's all very early, so it's

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<v Speaker 3>in its infancy, and so it is there and you

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<v Speaker 3>can contact me through that site. And I will be

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<v Speaker 3>implementing a hotline, which probably will cost a few bucks

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<v Speaker 3>in the future, but at this point I'm offering a

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<v Speaker 3>complementary consults just to give you the basics and hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>just ease your mind a little bit if you are

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<v Speaker 3>experiencing a bite.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and I think we saw that with the first

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<v Speaker 2>call a last hour Ken from Tomsfield. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of anxiety, which is understandable because it's an unknown.

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<v Speaker 2>And then this number that you have, it's eight five

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<v Speaker 2>five B A D T I C K bad tick,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's easy for people to remember. Let let's get

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<v Speaker 2>a few more phone calls here. Again, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to impose on you, but I really do appreciate you

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<v Speaker 2>taking the time, and there's some people holder over and

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<v Speaker 2>again if you'd like to call and ask a quick

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<v Speaker 2>question six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The other the the other lines I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>give out right now because they're full six one, seven, nine, three,

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<v Speaker 2>one ten thirty, which I just gave out is full

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<v Speaker 2>if you got it, if you want to call six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. Let me go next to Frank in Harwichport, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Frank, welcome, You're next on nightside.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey Dan, how you doing baby?

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<v Speaker 2>Doing great? Doing great? You're want with tick me and Dan?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your comment or question?

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<v Speaker 4>Question?

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<v Speaker 5>I go to Thompson Field to walk the German short

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<v Speaker 5>haired pointer who's taking.

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<v Speaker 4>Brevec though, which is a pill.

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<v Speaker 5>He takes it, keeps it for three months the ticks

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<v Speaker 5>off him. Somebody asked about essential oils. I like to

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<v Speaker 5>spray peppermint essential oils with some other stuff and water

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<v Speaker 5>on the dog on my legs to keep the ticks up.

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<v Speaker 5>And I didn't hear from tick man Dan whether he

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<v Speaker 5>believes those essential oils are any good?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, go ahead, Mandan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks Frank.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, it's it's hard to say, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>that that's gonna hurt anything. And certainly if you spray

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<v Speaker 3>peppermint oil or essential oils on these ticks, they don't

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<v Speaker 3>like it, but they are a different creature, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>saying in the worst situation, they could certainly get around

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<v Speaker 3>that type of barrier somehow because of the way that

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<v Speaker 3>they actually don't breathe very often. I've heard stories of

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<v Speaker 3>ticks that get flushed and can survive, ticks that have

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<v Speaker 3>been left underwater for days and are perfectly okay. So

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<v Speaker 3>just given that, but but it does irritate them. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think in conjunction with the promethrone treated clothing and

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<v Speaker 3>other flea and tick preventatives for your pets, like the brevecto,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, there's always gonna be some controversy,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's always gonna be people on both sides saying no,

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff is gonna kill your dog, or this.

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<v Speaker 4>Stuff is better.

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<v Speaker 3>And and you know there has been some neurologic response

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<v Speaker 3>that it's been noted with the ingestible tick and flea treatments.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that makes me a little nervous when you're

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<v Speaker 3>starting to you know, ingest medications that will repel biting.

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<v Speaker 4>Arthropods like ticks.

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<v Speaker 3>So but if your experience is good and you feel

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable with it, by all means, that's what you need

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<v Speaker 3>to do. And I just may add Dan and for

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of the listeners that my area of expertises

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<v Speaker 3>is more on the prevention and more on how actually

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<v Speaker 3>ticks behave, how they wait for you, how they bite you,

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<v Speaker 3>what kind of processes go on, what do they secrete

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<v Speaker 3>all that stuff. So I'm going to kind of stay

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<v Speaker 3>away from the more of a disease aspect and treatments

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<v Speaker 3>and therapies and so forth.

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<v Speaker 4>But do they smell the peppermint? Dan?

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<v Speaker 5>Do they smell the pepper? Would be like, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to be anywhere near that? Does it sort of

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<v Speaker 5>does that a repellent?

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<v Speaker 3>Like there can smell it act like a repellent. It's

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<v Speaker 3>an irrit it's an irritant. They don't. They have sensory organs,

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<v Speaker 3>and they do detect carbon dioxide, which we were all

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<v Speaker 3>breathing out, and they do detect some kind of heat signatures.

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<v Speaker 3>But again it's vary depending on the species of ticks.

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<v Speaker 3>Some are actually will will detect you and run towards you.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are called the hunters, and deer ticks are called questers,

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<v Speaker 3>which they actually just wait for you to come by,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's more luck than anything else, but they know

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<v Speaker 3>where to where to go and wait. So yes, they

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<v Speaker 3>can detect whether they're actually smelling it or not. It

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<v Speaker 3>presents an irritating, you know, aspect to the repellent. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why I always kind of go back to this permethron

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<v Speaker 3>because it's not a repellent, it's an actual killer. It's

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<v Speaker 3>called in a car a side side meaning killer kills.

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<v Speaker 3>It kills the ticks. And think about it this way.

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<v Speaker 3>You put the repellent on your dog, but ticks get

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<v Speaker 3>on the dog and they go I don't really like this.

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<v Speaker 3>But the dog's already in the house, sitting on your couch,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the ticks.

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<v Speaker 4>Get off and they're still alive.

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<v Speaker 3>With promethrone.

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<v Speaker 5>They found one on my wife yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>I found one on so great.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I've had him in I've had him in my bed,

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<v Speaker 3>I've had him on the you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, in the dog bed and so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>So you might want to check out some of the

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<v Speaker 3>the treated pre treated apparel.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank, great, great question. I got to ask her, how's

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<v Speaker 2>our signal? Are you listening to us on the radio

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<v Speaker 2>or on some sort of electronic device? In Harve's point,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're on the south side.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm on my phone. I was driving home and then

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<v Speaker 4>On the phone.

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<v Speaker 7>So I was supposed to you in the car, and

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<v Speaker 7>I put it on my.

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<v Speaker 5>Phone, so I'm listening through the internet.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess on my phone.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, well I'd love to know because I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's on the south side of the Cape and

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<v Speaker 2>the signal there is can be spotty. Thanks, thanks so much, Frank,

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<v Speaker 2>call anytime. Have a good one.

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<v Speaker 4>Bye, thank you, good night.

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<v Speaker 2>I talk to you good night. Let me take a

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<v Speaker 2>quick break here tick me and Dan. I actually have

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<v Speaker 2>a caller from Missouri, a caller from Indiana, And if

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be it, we'll wrap it up and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll let you out of here at ten thirty. We

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<v Speaker 2>will give again your address and your website, and also

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<v Speaker 2>there eight five five number that people can call. It

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<v Speaker 2>sounds to me like you're providing a potential service here

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<v Speaker 2>to people which doesn't exist. And when someone does find

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<v Speaker 2>a tick on themselves or on a family member, who

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<v Speaker 2>better to call than tick Ma and Dan. We'll take

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<v Speaker 2>a quick break right back on night side, right after

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<v Speaker 2>these messages, and we will get to the whole question

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<v Speaker 2>of what the Food and Drug Administration has done. They

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<v Speaker 2>have now ordered that a lot of the synthetic food

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<v Speaker 2>dies that have been used so much in our food

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<v Speaker 2>material here in the States to be done with these

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<v Speaker 2>petroleum based food chemicals, and that is a big victory

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<v Speaker 2>for Robert F. Kennedy Junior. And he wants to make

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<v Speaker 2>America healthy again, and I hope no one disagrees with that.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about that probably at the end, well, once

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<v Speaker 2>we finish up with tick Man Dan. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>think he's such an important guest, particularly at this time

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<v Speaker 2>of year. I do want to ask you about some

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<v Speaker 2>of the other ticks. We think deer ticks are bad,

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<v Speaker 2>but they got like these spotted mounted mountain ticks, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a whole bunch of really nasty ticks in other

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<v Speaker 2>going to ask you, since we're going to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>someone from Indiana and someone from Missouri, if some of

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<v Speaker 2>these even nastier ticks are coming our way. My We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back with my guest, tick Man Dan right after

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we got time for two quick phone calls for

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<v Speaker 2>tick Man Dan. Jim Jim, you were next on Nightside. Welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead. Jim is in, by the way, what Jim

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<v Speaker 2>is in Missouri? Go right ahead, Tick Jim.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Kansas City side here, Dan, and Dan, Hey, thanks

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<v Speaker 7>for taking my call. So a guy walks into a

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<v Speaker 7>bar with a tick on his Now, seriously, last time

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<v Speaker 7>you were on, I gave this a lot of thought,

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<v Speaker 7>and I came down to this one. It came down

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<v Speaker 7>to this one question, and but I didn't know the

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<v Speaker 7>answer to it. And I'm sure you will know the

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<v Speaker 7>answer to it. Are these ticks born with these diseases

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<v Speaker 7>or do they have to like get them from each other,

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<v Speaker 7>or do they have to get them from animals or.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a great question, and I'm sure Dan has

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, Dan, Yeah, the answer is according to research

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<v Speaker 3>up until now, we have discovered that ticks are born

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<v Speaker 3>There is one bacteria that has been found to be

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<v Speaker 4>The line bacteria. It's called Borellia.

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<v Speaker 3>Miamotoi I and that is was discovered in Japan, and

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<v Speaker 3>fortunately it's very rare around here, especially in the northeast. However,

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<v Speaker 3>some I actually know somebody who has been diagnosed with that.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's bad news because the typical scenario with a

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<v Speaker 3>deer tick, which I always referred to because they can

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<v Speaker 3>carry the most different types of pathogens that can cause

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<v Speaker 3>people illness, tick born diseases, lime disease, and what they call.

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<v Speaker 4>Other co infections.

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<v Speaker 3>The mother lays the eggs. The eggs are typically clean,

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<v Speaker 3>so the larva that come out are clean, but they

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<v Speaker 3>and the white footed mouse is also either clean or dirty.

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<v Speaker 7>And those white footed mouse were in on it, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>So the clean tick bites a dirty mouse. Now the

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<v Speaker 3>mouse stays dirty and the tick is now dirty. So

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<v Speaker 3>then the dirty tick bites a clean mouse, and now

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<v Speaker 3>the dirty tick stays dirty and the clean mouse is dirty,

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<v Speaker 3>and so that's how it kind of evolves. They molt

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<v Speaker 3>into their adult stage. That's why the older a tick is,

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<v Speaker 3>the more likely it contains some sort of pathogen. So

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<v Speaker 3>larval tics are typically non worrisome. However, you still have

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<v Speaker 3>a slight chance of this borelliu mi motoy I, So

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<v Speaker 3>of course I wish it didn't used to be like that.

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<v Speaker 3>A few years back, but these new strains are starting

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we need to appreciate that question, Jim, I thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for the question. I got a couple more. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well that's a good thing, because if they're born

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, thank you appreciate it. By the way, there's

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<v Speaker 2>some other ticks around the country, and of course we're

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<v Speaker 2>being heard in different places around the country that are

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<v Speaker 2>even worse than deer ticks. I mean, you've told me

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<v Speaker 2>about some of these before. Was it the rocky mounted

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<v Speaker 2>spotted fever is carried by some ticks in different parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the country in Gym's direction, Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, Dan, I wouldn't say that there are other ticks

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<v Speaker 3>that are worse than the deer tick. I think right

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<v Speaker 3>now in the US, deer ticks are the worst ones

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<v Speaker 3>because again they can carry a dozen or.

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<v Speaker 4>More different diseases.

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<v Speaker 3>Other species of ticks and the most common in this

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<v Speaker 3>country would be the dog tick or the wood tick,

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<v Speaker 3>the deer tick, and then there's a lone star tick.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also Gulf Coast ticks, but these are kind of

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<v Speaker 3>more variations of the wood or the dog tick. Now

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<v Speaker 3>in New England, it's the three ticks now that are bad,

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<v Speaker 3>the lone star, the dog tick and the deer tick.

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<v Speaker 3>Now there's different things that go on with the different

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<v Speaker 3>carrying this risetia or what's called Rocky Mountain speed fever.

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<v Speaker 3>So uh they you know, we we have to worry

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<v Speaker 2>Let me, let me, let me get at what more

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<v Speaker 2>India quickly for your Pat in Indiana. Pat next on

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<v Speaker 2>Nice I with tick man Dan and go ahead.

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<v Speaker 8>Pat, Hello, thank you for the call. I ensure that

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<v Speaker 8>I do have a sustained pick bike that I did

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<v Speaker 8>not know was there. Well, it's more than a bite.

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<v Speaker 8>So what's kind of specialist what I see? My regular

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<v Speaker 8>internal medicine I know would not have a clue.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's the difficult thing, and that's why people

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<v Speaker 3>are having so many problems. But there are websites and

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<v Speaker 3>foundations that can help direct you and provide you with

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<v Speaker 3>much better resources than I can, and I would suggest

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<v Speaker 3>if you have a pen and paper or maybe jotting

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<v Speaker 4>But there is.

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<v Speaker 3>Something called Limedisease dot dot org. There's another website called

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<v Speaker 3>eye lads dot. I think it's it could be dot org.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you just google those those too, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Will find a good resource.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also a Global Lime Alliance and a Bay Area

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<v Speaker 3>Lilliance Line Foundation, which I think would be great resources.

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<v Speaker 3>And they do welcome your type of call, and they

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<v Speaker 3>provide some good referrals and good even some what they

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<v Speaker 3>call Lime literate doctors in your area that could probably help.

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<v Speaker 8>Very good because that's one of the reasons I've not gone,

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<v Speaker 8>said the doctor was I've been doing my own research,

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<v Speaker 8>but after listening tonight, I thought maybe I didn't choose

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<v Speaker 8>the right path.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me make a suggestion to you, Pat, Pat,

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<v Speaker 2>let me make a suggestion to you. Are you pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good on the computer? Yeah, Okay, google this name. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's the smartest doctor and the most the advanced doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Alfred Miller. He is out of Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had him on the show before you can google

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<v Speaker 2>him and you can contact him. Is doctor Alfred A. L.

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<v Speaker 2>F R. E. D. Miller. Simple as that, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>you leave your number with Rob or Betty or Betty

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<v Speaker 2>at you take, Rob will give you my phone number. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and you will have my phone number if you have

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<v Speaker 2>trouble reaching doctor Miller. I can put you in contact

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<v Speaker 2>with him, but I want you to make an effort

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<v Speaker 2>to find him. He has some very short videos on

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube on the Internet which is going to be very

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<v Speaker 2>helpful for you. Trust me on that. But take my

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<v Speaker 2>direct number from Rob. If you're a regular listener.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, Well I am, and I will. As they say,

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<v Speaker 8>I've listened to that gentleman many times too, but I

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<v Speaker 8>never expected so much information, So thank you very very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't hang up. Rob will give you my direct line. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, let's try this. I'm gonna try one more

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<v Speaker 2>call and we'll let you go right after this. Phil

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<v Speaker 2>is in Boston. Phil, you gotta be quick for us.

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<v Speaker 5>Around in Boston.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you concerned about these turkeys and they they drag

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<v Speaker 3>a run with them? Yeah, takes your feet on anything

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<v Speaker 3>that has blood. Turkeys certainly have blood. Although I've been

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<v Speaker 3>told that turkeys will will eat them in the wild,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's hard to eat a tick that's, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>stuck behind your ear. So yeah, yeah, good, thank you

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<v Speaker 3>very much.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Phil was so quick. I'm gonna maybe if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to get this caller up real quickly for me, Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>If not, I'm just gonna uh uh and ended. And

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<v Speaker 2>here this guy is just called in. If this person

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<v Speaker 2>wants to talk to tick Man Dan. Here we go,

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel and Quincy. Rachel, your regular caller. We're into the newscast.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to help me out. What's your quick question

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<v Speaker 2>for your last the last caller for tick Man Dan.

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead, Rachel, okay, really really fast. So Dan, I

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<v Speaker 6>have horses. I have a horse that suffered from line.

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<v Speaker 6>Had him tested. His numbers were fifteen hundred. I put

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<v Speaker 6>him on all the medication. His numbers still stayed at

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<v Speaker 6>fifteen hundred. And he's older, so he decided not to

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<v Speaker 6>I also know that.

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<v Speaker 8>And doctor Ti, what is.

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<v Speaker 2>Your question, Rachel, give me a question please.

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<v Speaker 6>My question is is when somebody goes to the doctor,

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<v Speaker 6>do don't they have to ask for a trace tick test?

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<v Speaker 6>Not just a line test. It's a line trait test.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not too familiar with what you've just mentioned, but

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<v Speaker 3>the standard office offering for Lime is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>Western Blot and ALYSSA E L I s A, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's all they're willing to do. I even

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<v Speaker 3>asked my provider to approve a private UH diagnostic test,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a year analysis test, and she denied it.

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel, I got you. Yeah, Rachel, We're going to give

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<v Speaker 2>Dan's number. You can call him, but I am way

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<v Speaker 2>into my newscast. Rachel, you understand write this number down

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<v Speaker 2>when we give it. We're gonna give it right away. Okay, thanks, Rachel,

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<v Speaker 2>get it right. Okay, you're welcome. Thanks. Okay, So you

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<v Speaker 2>guys can reach tick Man Dan dot com all one word,

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<v Speaker 2>or you give him a call at during hopefully during

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<v Speaker 2>business hours. Don't call him like at midnight one eight

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<v Speaker 2>five five bad tick tick Man Dan. I can't thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much for the generosity of information and time.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're a little crazy here with some of

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<v Speaker 2>the Lake callers, and I apologize for that, but we

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<v Speaker 2>got it all in somehow, some way, and maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have you back one time before the summer sets in.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's okay with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, absolutely love doing the show, love your callers and

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<v Speaker 3>love you Dan.

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<v Speaker 4>So feel free.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll talk to you soon and thanks again. Good

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<v Speaker 3>luck everybody, and reach out to tick Man Dan and

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<v Speaker 3>don't neglect your crevices.

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<v Speaker 2>Words to live by, words to live by. Thanks tick

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<v Speaker 2>Man Dan. We get back. We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>red diyes, getting red dyes out of our diets. Hallelujah.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on night Side right after the news