Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBS costs video.
Speaker 2: All right, we're talking with tick me and Dan and
Speaker 2: tick Man Dan. I just want to say thanks so
Speaker 2: much for one being with us tonight and also hanging
Speaker 2: into the next hour here a little bit let me
Speaker 2: in a little bit more, a little more slowly, give
Speaker 2: you an opportunity. You're you're developing a website which is
Speaker 2: called Tickman Dan all one word dot com. Correct, that's right.
Speaker 2: And when you say you're developing, is that going to
Speaker 2: be a website that you hope is you know, up
Speaker 2: and running and uh. And people can call during you know,
Speaker 2: literally throughout the entire year when they have a question
Speaker 2: or a problem. They're not able to get through one
Speaker 2: night's side. But you know, sometime in September someone gets
Speaker 2: bit by a tick, you could help them at that point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because there's a lot of people that basically they
Speaker 3: discover a tick and the first response is panic and
Speaker 3: what do I do next? Well, I'm trying to just
Speaker 3: develop a step by step response that will allow them
Speaker 3: to do whatever is whatever we can do to help
Speaker 3: reduce the risk.
Speaker 4: Of contracting a disease from the tick.
Speaker 3: Okay, And there's prevention tips and other information. There, I'll
Speaker 3: be starting a newsletter. It's all very early, so it's
Speaker 3: in its infancy, and so it is there and you
Speaker 3: can contact me through that site. And I will be
Speaker 3: implementing a hotline, which probably will cost a few bucks
Speaker 3: in the future, but at this point I'm offering a
Speaker 3: complementary consults just to give you the basics and hopefully
Speaker 3: just ease your mind a little bit if you are
Speaker 3: experiencing a bite.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I think we saw that with the first
Speaker 2: call a last hour Ken from Tomsfield. He had a
Speaker 2: lot of anxiety, which is understandable because it's an unknown.
Speaker 2: And then this number that you have, it's eight five
Speaker 2: five B A D T I C K bad tick,
Speaker 2: So that's easy for people to remember. Let let's get
Speaker 2: a few more phone calls here. Again, I don't want
Speaker 2: to impose on you, but I really do appreciate you
Speaker 2: taking the time, and there's some people holder over and
Speaker 2: again if you'd like to call and ask a quick
Speaker 2: question six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The other the the other lines I'm not going to
Speaker 2: give out right now because they're full six one, seven, nine, three,
Speaker 2: one ten thirty, which I just gave out is full
Speaker 2: if you got it, if you want to call six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. Let me go next to Frank in Harwichport, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Hey Frank, welcome, You're next on nightside.
Speaker 3: Hey Dan, how you doing baby?
Speaker 2: Doing great? Doing great? You're want with tick me and Dan?
Speaker 2: What's your comment or question?
Speaker 4: Question?
Speaker 5: I go to Thompson Field to walk the German short
Speaker 5: haired pointer who's taking.
Speaker 4: Brevec though, which is a pill.
Speaker 5: He takes it, keeps it for three months the ticks
Speaker 5: off him. Somebody asked about essential oils. I like to
Speaker 5: spray peppermint essential oils with some other stuff and water
Speaker 5: on the dog on my legs to keep the ticks up.
Speaker 5: And I didn't hear from tick man Dan whether he
Speaker 5: believes those essential oils are any good?
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, Mandan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Frank.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Again, it's it's hard to say, but I don't think
Speaker 3: that that's gonna hurt anything. And certainly if you spray
Speaker 3: peppermint oil or essential oils on these ticks, they don't
Speaker 3: like it, but they are a different creature, and I'm
Speaker 3: saying in the worst situation, they could certainly get around
Speaker 3: that type of barrier somehow because of the way that
Speaker 3: they actually don't breathe very often. I've heard stories of
Speaker 3: ticks that get flushed and can survive, ticks that have
Speaker 3: been left underwater for days and are perfectly okay. So
Speaker 3: just given that, but but it does irritate them. And
Speaker 3: I think in conjunction with the promethrone treated clothing and
Speaker 3: other flea and tick preventatives for your pets, like the brevecto,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's always gonna be some controversy,
Speaker 3: and there's always gonna be people on both sides saying no,
Speaker 3: that stuff is gonna kill your dog, or this.
Speaker 4: Stuff is better.
Speaker 3: And and you know there has been some neurologic response
Speaker 3: that it's been noted with the ingestible tick and flea treatments.
Speaker 3: You know, that makes me a little nervous when you're
Speaker 3: starting to you know, ingest medications that will repel biting.
Speaker 4: Arthropods like ticks.
Speaker 3: So but if your experience is good and you feel
Speaker 3: comfortable with it, by all means, that's what you need
Speaker 3: to do. And I just may add Dan and for
Speaker 3: the rest of the listeners that my area of expertises
Speaker 3: is more on the prevention and more on how actually
Speaker 3: ticks behave, how they wait for you, how they bite you,
Speaker 3: what kind of processes go on, what do they secrete
Speaker 3: all that stuff. So I'm going to kind of stay
Speaker 3: away from the more of a disease aspect and treatments
Speaker 3: and therapies and so forth.
Speaker 4: But do they smell the peppermint? Dan?
Speaker 5: Do they smell the pepper? Would be like, I don't
Speaker 5: want to be anywhere near that? Does it sort of
Speaker 5: does that a repellent?
Speaker 3: Like there can smell it act like a repellent. It's
Speaker 3: an irrit it's an irritant. They don't. They have sensory organs,
Speaker 3: and they do detect carbon dioxide, which we were all
Speaker 3: breathing out, and they do detect some kind of heat signatures.
Speaker 3: But again it's vary depending on the species of ticks.
Speaker 3: Some are actually will will detect you and run towards you.
Speaker 3: Those are called the hunters, and deer ticks are called questers,
Speaker 3: which they actually just wait for you to come by,
Speaker 3: and it's more luck than anything else, but they know
Speaker 3: where to where to go and wait. So yes, they
Speaker 3: can detect whether they're actually smelling it or not. It
Speaker 3: presents an irritating, you know, aspect to the repellent. That's
Speaker 3: why I always kind of go back to this permethron
Speaker 3: because it's not a repellent, it's an actual killer. It's
Speaker 3: called in a car a side side meaning killer kills.
Speaker 3: It kills the ticks. And think about it this way.
Speaker 3: You put the repellent on your dog, but ticks get
Speaker 3: on the dog and they go I don't really like this.
Speaker 3: But the dog's already in the house, sitting on your couch,
Speaker 3: and then the ticks.
Speaker 4: Get off and they're still alive.
Speaker 3: With promethrone.
Speaker 5: They found one on my wife yesterday.
Speaker 4: I found one on so great.
Speaker 3: No, I've had him in I've had him in my bed,
Speaker 3: I've had him on the you.
Speaker 4: Know, in the dog bed and so forth.
Speaker 3: So you might want to check out some of the
Speaker 3: the treated pre treated apparel.
Speaker 2: Frank, great, great question. I got to ask her, how's
Speaker 2: our signal? Are you listening to us on the radio
Speaker 2: or on some sort of electronic device? In Harve's point,
Speaker 2: because you're on the south side.
Speaker 5: I'm on my phone. I was driving home and then
Speaker 5: I went in.
Speaker 4: On the phone.
Speaker 7: So I was supposed to you in the car, and
Speaker 7: I put it on my.
Speaker 5: Phone, so I'm listening through the internet.
Speaker 4: I guess on my phone.
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, well I'd love to know because I
Speaker 2: know it's on the south side of the Cape and
Speaker 2: the signal there is can be spotty. Thanks, thanks so much, Frank,
Speaker 2: call anytime. Have a good one.
Speaker 4: Bye, thank you, good night.
Speaker 2: I talk to you good night. Let me take a
Speaker 2: quick break here tick me and Dan. I actually have
Speaker 2: a caller from Missouri, a caller from Indiana, And if
Speaker 2: that's going to be it, we'll wrap it up and
Speaker 2: we'll let you out of here at ten thirty. We
Speaker 2: will give again your address and your website, and also
Speaker 2: there eight five five number that people can call. It
Speaker 2: sounds to me like you're providing a potential service here
Speaker 2: to people which doesn't exist. And when someone does find
Speaker 2: a tick on themselves or on a family member, who
Speaker 2: better to call than tick Ma and Dan. We'll take
Speaker 2: a quick break right back on night side, right after
Speaker 2: these messages, and we will get to the whole question
Speaker 2: of what the Food and Drug Administration has done. They
Speaker 2: have now ordered that a lot of the synthetic food
Speaker 2: dies that have been used so much in our food
Speaker 2: material here in the States to be done with these
Speaker 2: petroleum based food chemicals, and that is a big victory
Speaker 2: for Robert F. Kennedy Junior. And he wants to make
Speaker 2: America healthy again, and I hope no one disagrees with that.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that probably at the end, well, once
Speaker 2: we finish up with tick Man Dan. But I just
Speaker 2: think he's such an important guest, particularly at this time
Speaker 2: of year. I do want to ask you about some
Speaker 2: of the other ticks. We think deer ticks are bad,
Speaker 2: but they got like these spotted mounted mountain ticks, and
Speaker 2: there's a whole bunch of really nasty ticks in other
Speaker 2: parts of the country. And when I come back, I'm
Speaker 2: going to ask you, since we're going to talk to
Speaker 2: someone from Indiana and someone from Missouri, if some of
Speaker 2: these even nastier ticks are coming our way. My We'll
Speaker 2: be back with my guest, tick Man Dan right after
Speaker 2: this very quick break.
Speaker 1: It's night Side, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, we got time for two quick phone calls for
Speaker 2: tick Man Dan. Jim Jim, you were next on Nightside. Welcome,
Speaker 2: Go ahead. Jim is in, by the way, what Jim
Speaker 2: is in Missouri? Go right ahead, Tick Jim.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Kansas City side here, Dan, and Dan, Hey, thanks
Speaker 7: for taking my call. So a guy walks into a
Speaker 7: bar with a tick on his Now, seriously, last time
Speaker 7: you were on, I gave this a lot of thought,
Speaker 7: and I came down to this one. It came down
Speaker 7: to this one question, and but I didn't know the
Speaker 7: answer to it. And I'm sure you will know the
Speaker 7: answer to it. Are these ticks born with these diseases
Speaker 7: or do they have to like get them from each other,
Speaker 7: or do they have to get them from animals or.
Speaker 2: And that's a great question, and I'm sure Dan has
Speaker 2: the answer for you.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Dan, Yeah, the answer is according to research
Speaker 3: up until now, we have discovered that ticks are born
Speaker 3: clean mostly, but there there is a caveat to that.
Speaker 3: There is one bacteria that has been found to be
Speaker 3: passed on from the mother tick to the egg, and
Speaker 3: it is a cousin of.
Speaker 4: The line bacteria. It's called Borellia.
Speaker 3: Miamotoi I and that is was discovered in Japan, and
Speaker 3: fortunately it's very rare around here, especially in the northeast. However,
Speaker 3: some I actually know somebody who has been diagnosed with that.
Speaker 3: So that's bad news because the typical scenario with a
Speaker 3: deer tick, which I always referred to because they can
Speaker 3: carry the most different types of pathogens that can cause
Speaker 3: people illness, tick born diseases, lime disease, and what they call.
Speaker 4: Other co infections.
Speaker 3: The mother lays the eggs. The eggs are typically clean,
Speaker 3: so the larva that come out are clean, but they
Speaker 3: will search for a small road, in particular a whitefooted mouse,
Speaker 3: and the white footed mouse is also either clean or dirty.
Speaker 7: And those white footed mouse were in on it, yes,
Speaker 7: they are big in on it.
Speaker 3: So the clean tick bites a dirty mouse. Now the
Speaker 3: mouse stays dirty and the tick is now dirty. So
Speaker 3: then the dirty tick bites a clean mouse, and now
Speaker 3: the dirty tick stays dirty and the clean mouse is dirty,
Speaker 3: and so that's how it kind of evolves. They molt
Speaker 3: into their nymphl stage, same process, and then they molt
Speaker 3: into their adult stage. That's why the older a tick is,
Speaker 3: the more likely it contains some sort of pathogen. So
Speaker 3: larval tics are typically non worrisome. However, you still have
Speaker 3: a slight chance of this borelliu mi motoy I, So
Speaker 3: of course I wish it didn't used to be like that.
Speaker 3: A few years back, but these new strains are starting
Speaker 3: to pop up and we need more research.
Speaker 2: Well, we need to appreciate that question, Jim, I thank
Speaker 2: you for the question. I got a couple more. I'm
Speaker 2: going to try to sneak in here. Okay.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's a good thing, because if they're born
Speaker 7: with it, we're just completely hopeless.
Speaker 2: But anyway, thank you appreciate it. By the way, there's
Speaker 2: some other ticks around the country, and of course we're
Speaker 2: being heard in different places around the country that are
Speaker 2: even worse than deer ticks. I mean, you've told me
Speaker 2: about some of these before. Was it the rocky mounted
Speaker 2: spotted fever is carried by some ticks in different parts
Speaker 2: of the country in Gym's direction, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: Correct, Dan, I wouldn't say that there are other ticks
Speaker 3: that are worse than the deer tick. I think right
Speaker 3: now in the US, deer ticks are the worst ones
Speaker 3: because again they can carry a dozen or.
Speaker 4: More different diseases.
Speaker 3: Other species of ticks and the most common in this
Speaker 3: country would be the dog tick or the wood tick,
Speaker 3: the deer tick, and then there's a lone star tick.
Speaker 3: There's also Gulf Coast ticks, but these are kind of
Speaker 3: more variations of the wood or the dog tick. Now
Speaker 3: in New England, it's the three ticks now that are bad,
Speaker 3: the lone star, the dog tick and the deer tick.
Speaker 3: Now there's different things that go on with the different
Speaker 3: types of ticks, Like the dog is more associated with
Speaker 3: carrying this risetia or what's called Rocky Mountain speed fever.
Speaker 3: It's very rare up here in the Northeast, but much
Speaker 3: more common in southern areas of the country and out west.
Speaker 3: So uh they you know, we we have to worry
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: The loan start.
Speaker 2: Let me, let me, let me get at what more
Speaker 2: India quickly for your Pat in Indiana. Pat next on
Speaker 2: Nice I with tick man Dan and go ahead.
Speaker 8: Pat, Hello, thank you for the call. I ensure that
Speaker 8: I do have a sustained pick bike that I did
Speaker 8: not know was there. Well, it's more than a bite.
Speaker 8: So what's kind of specialist what I see? My regular
Speaker 8: internal medicine I know would not have a clue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the difficult thing, and that's why people
Speaker 3: are having so many problems. But there are websites and
Speaker 3: foundations that can help direct you and provide you with
Speaker 3: much better resources than I can, and I would suggest
Speaker 3: if you have a pen and paper or maybe jotting
Speaker 3: this down, or you can re listen.
Speaker 4: But there is.
Speaker 3: Something called Limedisease dot dot org. There's another website called
Speaker 3: eye lads which stands for Associated Lime and Disease Society
Speaker 3: eye lads dot. I think it's it could be dot org.
Speaker 3: But if you just google those those too, you.
Speaker 4: Will find a good resource.
Speaker 3: There's also a Global Lime Alliance and a Bay Area
Speaker 3: Lilliance Line Foundation, which I think would be great resources.
Speaker 3: And they do welcome your type of call, and they
Speaker 3: provide some good referrals and good even some what they
Speaker 3: call Lime literate doctors in your area that could probably help.
Speaker 8: Very good because that's one of the reasons I've not gone,
Speaker 8: said the doctor was I've been doing my own research,
Speaker 8: but after listening tonight, I thought maybe I didn't choose
Speaker 8: the right path.
Speaker 2: So let me make a suggestion to you, Pat, Pat,
Speaker 2: let me make a suggestion to you. Are you pretty
Speaker 2: good on the computer? Yeah, Okay, google this name. I
Speaker 2: think he's the smartest doctor and the most the advanced doctor.
Speaker 2: His name is Alfred Miller. He is out of Texas.
Speaker 2: We've had him on the show before you can google
Speaker 2: him and you can contact him. Is doctor Alfred A. L.
Speaker 2: F R. E. D. Miller. Simple as that, okay, and
Speaker 2: you leave your number with Rob or Betty or Betty
Speaker 2: at you take, Rob will give you my phone number. Uh,
Speaker 2: and you will have my phone number if you have
Speaker 2: trouble reaching doctor Miller. I can put you in contact
Speaker 2: with him, but I want you to make an effort
Speaker 2: to find him. He has some very short videos on
Speaker 2: YouTube on the Internet which is going to be very
Speaker 2: helpful for you. Trust me on that. But take my
Speaker 2: direct number from Rob. If you're a regular listener.
Speaker 8: Okay, Well I am, and I will. As they say,
Speaker 8: I've listened to that gentleman many times too, but I
Speaker 8: never expected so much information, So thank you very very much.
Speaker 2: Don't hang up. Rob will give you my direct line. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, let's try this. I'm gonna try one more
Speaker 2: call and we'll let you go right after this. Phil
Speaker 2: is in Boston. Phil, you gotta be quick for us.
Speaker 5: Around in Boston.
Speaker 3: Have you concerned about these turkeys and they they drag
Speaker 3: a run with them? Yeah, takes your feet on anything
Speaker 3: that has blood. Turkeys certainly have blood. Although I've been
Speaker 3: told that turkeys will will eat them in the wild,
Speaker 3: but it's hard to eat a tick that's, you know,
Speaker 3: stuck behind your ear. So yeah, yeah, good, thank you
Speaker 3: very much.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Phil was so quick. I'm gonna maybe if you want
Speaker 2: to get this caller up real quickly for me, Rob.
Speaker 2: If not, I'm just gonna uh uh and ended. And
Speaker 2: here this guy is just called in. If this person
Speaker 2: wants to talk to tick Man Dan. Here we go,
Speaker 2: Rachel and Quincy. Rachel, your regular caller. We're into the newscast.
Speaker 2: You got to help me out. What's your quick question
Speaker 2: for your last the last caller for tick Man Dan.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Rachel, okay, really really fast. So Dan, I
Speaker 6: have horses. I have a horse that suffered from line.
Speaker 6: Had him tested. His numbers were fifteen hundred. I put
Speaker 6: him on all the medication. His numbers still stayed at
Speaker 6: fifteen hundred. And he's older, so he decided not to
Speaker 6: I also know that.
Speaker 8: And doctor Ti, what is.
Speaker 2: Your question, Rachel, give me a question please.
Speaker 6: My question is is when somebody goes to the doctor,
Speaker 6: do don't they have to ask for a trace tick test?
Speaker 6: Not just a line test. It's a line trait test.
Speaker 3: I'm not too familiar with what you've just mentioned, but
Speaker 3: the standard office offering for Lime is going to be
Speaker 3: Western Blot and ALYSSA E L I s A, and
Speaker 3: I think that's all they're willing to do. I even
Speaker 3: asked my provider to approve a private UH diagnostic test,
Speaker 3: which is a year analysis test, and she denied it.
Speaker 2: Rachel, I got you. Yeah, Rachel, We're going to give
Speaker 2: Dan's number. You can call him, but I am way
Speaker 2: into my newscast. Rachel, you understand write this number down
Speaker 2: when we give it. We're gonna give it right away. Okay, thanks, Rachel,
Speaker 2: get it right. Okay, you're welcome. Thanks. Okay, So you
Speaker 2: guys can reach tick Man Dan dot com all one word,
Speaker 2: or you give him a call at during hopefully during
Speaker 2: business hours. Don't call him like at midnight one eight
Speaker 2: five five bad tick tick Man Dan. I can't thank
Speaker 2: you so much for the generosity of information and time.
Speaker 2: I know we're a little crazy here with some of
Speaker 2: the Lake callers, and I apologize for that, but we
Speaker 2: got it all in somehow, some way, and maybe we'll
Speaker 2: have you back one time before the summer sets in.
Speaker 2: If that's okay with you.
Speaker 3: Okay, absolutely love doing the show, love your callers and
Speaker 3: love you Dan.
Speaker 4: So feel free.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll talk to you soon and thanks again. Good
Speaker 3: luck everybody, and reach out to tick Man Dan and
Speaker 3: don't neglect your crevices.
Speaker 2: Words to live by, words to live by. Thanks tick
Speaker 2: Man Dan. We get back. We're going to talk about
Speaker 2: red diyes, getting red dyes out of our diets. Hallelujah.
Speaker 2: Back on night Side right after the news