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I am Chris Matthew 33 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:56.439 from Forbidden Knowledge News and very happy to get weird 34 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:57.400 with you tonight, sir. 35 00:01:57.959 --> 00:01:59.840 Yes, I'm I'm very excited for this. 36 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:03.200 As people are probably familiar with Forbidden Knowledge News. 37 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:05.200 I've been on your show a bunch of times. 38 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:08.400 We've talked about an array of strange subjects, that's for sure, 39 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:11.800 and now you get to tiptoe in a little bit 40 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:14.680 of my reality, my my strange world over here. 41 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:16.759 So yeah, I love it. 42 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:17.599 I love it. 43 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.680 Man, we talk, uh and So I want to bring 44 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:25.199 this in that we're both avid users of magic, mushrooms 45 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:28.039 and psychedelics. I'm more of like I would love to 46 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:30.360 try acid and stuff eventually, even just once, like a 47 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:33.280 one time thing. I would be interested. I would like 48 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:36.479 to know if you've done any of that stuff I've done. 49 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:38.360 I can't think of it now. Was that stuff you 50 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.000 smoke the black stuff? Not DMT? 51 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.560 I would love to do that. It was legal in 52 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:48.439 Canada for a long time. Yeah, self, yeah, yeah. 53 00:02:48.599 --> 00:02:49.800 People have you ever tried it? 54 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:50.960 No, I haven't tried that one. 55 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.680 It's people claim it's like it's technically a psychedelic, but 56 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:56.800 I don't know if I would classify it as that. 57 00:02:57.080 --> 00:02:59.639 I've had weird experiences on it, Like I I you 58 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:03.319 could in a corner store. So the subject that I 59 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:04.840 want to kind of focus on is the idea of 60 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:09.039 psychedelics and how it can heal your mind, but also 61 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:13.039 it can kind of show you the darkness behind your 62 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.919 own eyes and your own mind and the darkness behind others. 63 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:21.560 Also because it's, uh, it's pretty crazy, you know, So 64 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:24.680 I'm uh, yeah, Selvia was a weird one. 65 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:26.199 It's uh, I'm surprised you never try it. 66 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:27.199 So you used to be able to buy it at 67 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:30.479 corner stores in Canada, right, really weird And I don't know. 68 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:32.800 We just saw it, like what's this kind of thing? 69 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:34.240 And it was a like a bunch of different corner 70 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:36.759 stores we saw and it was like in a little 71 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.800 like those display cases that turned right by where you 72 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.400 like buy cigarettes, So like all right, we could buy it, 73 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:44.479 and the guy never asked for ID or anything like 74 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:47.439 that ever. And then so the first time I did, 75 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.080 I was at this convenience store in this like small 76 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:54.280 city and we're sitting at a picnic table and then 77 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:56.000 I had headphones around my neck. It felt like a 78 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.439 snake was on my neck, and one of the chicken 79 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:00.360 crossing I was hanging out with with some of wh 80 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.240 other friends start turning in greed and stuff. So it's 81 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:06.159 it could you classify it as it, but it's very weird, 82 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:08.039 Like I don't really like it. You feel weird for 83 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:10.000 about maybe two minutes, you laugh your ass off, and 84 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.240 then it ends right on. 85 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:14.840 Yeah. So what I'll do is I'll start out with 86 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:18.839 a big disclaimer. I do not recommend psychedelics to anybody. 87 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:23.480 This is a very personal journey for each person. I 88 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:25.879 think you have to be ready, you have to be respectful, 89 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:29.720 you have to research what you're doing and make sure 90 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:34.120 you go when you're going in that you maybe have 91 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:37.279 a babysitter with you. But again, this is not anything 92 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:40.879 I recommend to anybody. This was my personal journey. Somehow 93 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:43.720 I've become known as the mushroom guy to talk to 94 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:46.160 you about some of these things. But it's cool Man 95 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.360 and I'm The next movie I'm making does kind of 96 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:55.040 interweave psychedelic experience into near death experiences and alien contact 97 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:59.120 and things like that. But I can honestly say that 98 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.199 I really oh where I'm at right now, this whole career, 99 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:07.040 everything I've done to my fearless consciousness exploration when it 100 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:12.800 comes to magic mushrooms, and this was my primary substance 101 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:15.759 that I used. I Like you said acid, I used, 102 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:18.839 you know, other psychedelics growing up as a teenager, for 103 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:22.399 like as a party drug, really, but I had didn't 104 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:26.120 really start using it for spiritual and healing purposes in 105 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:32.079 till like twenty twenty. Yeah. Oh yeah, I've done acid 106 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:36.279 plenty of times, and I can't anymore because ever since 107 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:40.160 I started doing mushrooms, the acid experiences have become very 108 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:45.279 dark and disconnected, So I really don't. I don't enjoy 109 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:48.959 any other types of psychedelics besides the mushrooms, and now 110 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.839 I've even kind of I don't want to say I've 111 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:55.040 quit using them, but I don't really utilize them like 112 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.000 I used to. I feel like I've gotten a lot 113 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:00.279 of what I need from them in where I'm in 114 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.439 my journey and where I'm going occasionally I'll go back 115 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:07.279 and revisit the experience, but for a while there I 116 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:11.319 was growing them, and you know, having these experiences quite often. 117 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:14.839 But yeah, like I said, I really owe everything I 118 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:17.920 am to the healing aspects and what they've shown me 119 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:24.759 about myself and really the how they've opened my eyes 120 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:28.639 to possibilities of the nature of reality when it comes 121 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:32.360 to our metaphysical reality and the spiritual nature of things. 122 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.360 I do think that these are a doorway, that these 123 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.839 can open up your mind's eye to different realities, to 124 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:44.959 information intelligences that surround us at all times. But again 125 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.680 this comes with a warning because you're interacting with things 126 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:51.839 at times that may not have your best interest in mind, 127 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:55.319 that may not have humanity's best interests in mind. There's 128 00:06:55.360 --> 00:07:00.040 both dark and light intelligences in these realms, and I 129 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:01.920 would recommend if you do go in, you go in 130 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:04.879 with some sort of spiritual understanding and protection with you, 131 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:10.439 because there's what I've encountered as trickster entities, even the 132 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:13.399 most lowest, darkest I wouldn't know if they were demonic, 133 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:19.519 but very dark and nasty intelligences that I've encountered through 134 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.800 my experiences and no matter how dark and crazy the 135 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:27.279 experience is, God, I would always come away on the 136 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:32.759 other end with a sense that thankfulness and since that 137 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.839 I've learned something and grew from that experience, no matter 138 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:39.759 how crazy and dark it got. But I don't know 139 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:43.639 where you want to begin with this, because with my experiences, 140 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:48.120 it actually all began with meditation and coming into contact 141 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:52.199 with a voice that I now understand as my higher 142 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:57.600 self that really gave me instructions on how to proceed 143 00:07:57.680 --> 00:07:59.759 with everything I was trying to do with my life. 144 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:04.199 You know, this meditative experience was so profound that I 145 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:06.959 was communicating with something that startled me at first, didn't 146 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:10.120 know what I was communicating with, but it gave me 147 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:14.240 the insights that I should heal childhood trauma, I should 148 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:17.360 start stop getting into shitty relationships and all these things 149 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:19.079 I need to take care of in my life in 150 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:23.439 order to proceed with the career and lifestyle and everything 151 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:26.920 that I was looking to do with my life. And 152 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:29.680 it really helped me focus in on that. And one 153 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:33.879 of the messages was also psilocybin mushrooms will help you 154 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:36.639 further heal and connect with some of this stuff. And 155 00:08:36.679 --> 00:08:39.679 I'm just thinking, I haven't done any psychedelics since I 156 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:41.799 was a teenager, and now this voice in my head 157 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.200 is telling me to do psychedelics. Am I having some 158 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:49.519 sort of acid flashback or something. But this experience repeated itself, 159 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.159 and I eventually moved to Colorado where I was able 160 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:57.200 to legally grow these mushrooms and eventually started these very 161 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:58.480 high dose journeys. 162 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:03.919 When you start because I've I've never really attempted to meditate, 163 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:06.639 like I feel like I've done it in some regard 164 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:09.080 when I've been on magic mushrooms kind of because you 165 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:10.559 kind of be in that meditative state. 166 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:14.320 But I just kind of want, how did you do it? 167 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:17.000 Was it just like you know, basic like people call 168 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.080 it Indian stance, but that the Lotus stance or whatever? 169 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:21.480 Or would you lay down. 170 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:25.440 Or I actually got into the bathtub hot water, put 171 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:29.120 on four thirty two hertz tones and this was this 172 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:31.879 is my most successful. I think it's different for each person. 173 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:34.919 They can connect in different ways. But for me, it's 174 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:37.840 either just really comfortable laying down in bed or in 175 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:40.720 water is actually kind of like a conduit and it 176 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:42.639 strengthens the experience for. 177 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:44.480 You want to relax but not fall asleep. 178 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:47.480 Yeah, that's right, that's right, they'll fall a sep so. 179 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:51.159 And the thing is, I've I didn't use psychondelcs. Later 180 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:52.759 on my life. I had a lot of friends growing 181 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.919 up that were like doing magic mushrooms. I heard these experiences, 182 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.679 and it is strange because I was researching things like 183 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:00.960 aliens and the reptilians. But I was like pretty young, 184 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:02.960 like sixteen seventeen or something like that. So seeing my 185 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.320 friends go through some of these experiences, like my friend 186 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.480 claimed that he had a thousand hands touching him and 187 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:09.720 I watched him freak out on a couch in the dark, right, 188 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.320 And so I'm like, I don't know if I should 189 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:15.279 be doing this stuff. And I agree with you is 190 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:18.200 that I think it's a powerful medicine and that people 191 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:21.919 have to be very aware and conscious of where you are, 192 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.919 what you're doing, what your mental state is. Don't do 193 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:27.039 it if you're depressed or you've had a bad day. 194 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:31.039 I've done that and it does not show you anything good. 195 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:32.840 And at the end of it, I still come out 196 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:35.519 of it like relieved and it's helped me in some 197 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.000 sort of way. But it is I think it can 198 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:41.799 be dangerous, and like I want you to get in 199 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:43.759 your stories. But I've seen weird stuff like this, like 200 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:46.320 where they claim it's on DMT that you'll be able 201 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.000 to see stuff like this. But I was on like 202 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:49.840 four and a half grams and I was laying on 203 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:53.080 the couch after I was watching some like I think 204 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:56.080 I was watching Woodstock like Leonard Skinner play just like 205 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:57.960 jamming with it, and that's closed my eyes. And every 206 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:00.399 time I closed my eyes, like a thousand eyes looking 207 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:01.600 back at me, and I was like, none of that. 208 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:03.120 Okay, I'm gonna snap out of that. 209 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:05.159 But I've looked into I've told this on the show 210 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.200 before that I've looked at like really on high doses 211 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:10.960 of mushrooms like blue Meanies, and there's the one that 212 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.840 I liked, Makila Gorilla, very like strong, and I've looked 213 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:17.159 through the fractals and I swear that I've seen like 214 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:21.879 demonic faces or something like just very lightly but it's 215 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:27.519 like translucent like patterns that look almost like ancient tribal patterns. 216 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:29.480 And when I've looked through them, I've almost like seen 217 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:32.440 things looking at me, and it's it's freaked me out. 218 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:35.360 But I was always, uh, I was brave and it didn't. 219 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:38.399 It didn't freak me out, like, it didn't scare me mentally, 220 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:40.679 but it like scared my inside, you know what I mean? 221 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:45.440 Yeah, what I think is happening is basically the entire 222 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:50.600 universes inside our consciousness. We can access different and multiple 223 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:56.879 infinite dimensions through going within ourselves, and when we go within, 224 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:02.720 we can access everything, including these intelligences that lie in 225 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:07.240 these different frequencies that we can't perceive during our waking lives. 226 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:12.200 I think we experienced similar things in dreams, near death experiences, 227 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:19.559 even with people correlate with alien contact experiences, and these 228 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:22.919 experiences can be when you're in them, it can be 229 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:28.200 more real than your waking reality. I started out taking 230 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:32.480 about two or three grams somewhat heroic doses, and by 231 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:34.600 the time, you know, a couple of years later, I 232 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:38.399 was taking about five grams each time, and the experiences 233 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:43.879 would become more and more all encompassing, and eventually it'd 234 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:46.080 be to where I would just lay down and I 235 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.000 would take off and interact with different entities and have 236 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.720 these insane different experiences. And I was able to get 237 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:57.240 to a point where I could become aware enough to 238 00:12:57.519 --> 00:12:59.559 every once in a while jump up and take some 239 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:04.360 note about the experience, because once you'd come back, it 240 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:07.559 become like a dream and very very difficult to remember 241 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:10.360 a lot of the things that would occur, so I'd 242 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:13.320 have to start writing them down. And some of the 243 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.440 things that I'd come back with, like being in these 244 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:22.080 strange astral classrooms with unseen intelligences teaching me about how 245 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:26.120 to love myself again, aligning my chakras, how to heal 246 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:30.000 this certain childhood trauma and go back into that instance 247 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:33.320 in the past and move your childhood self or out 248 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.559 of that experience. Just insane things that whatever this this 249 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:42.960 intelligence was that I made contact with was helping me along. 250 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.279 And I got the sense that the first higher self 251 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:49.559 that I came into contact with through meditation was there 252 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:53.639 as a sort of guide and protector during all these experiences. 253 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:57.759 Because there's times I'd get involved with intelligences that probably 254 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:01.039 weren't didn't have my best interest in mind, tricksters, maybe 255 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:04.679 malevolent intelligences that I would start to interact with, and 256 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:06.879 that voice, that higher self voice would come in and 257 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:08.840 be like, you sure you want to talk to this person? 258 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:10.960 You sure you want to talk to this entity? I 259 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.559 don't know. Sometimes it'd let me go and learn from 260 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.000 the experience, and I'd get deep into it and start 261 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.799 to visualize what I'm actually speaking with, and it turned 262 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:21.320 into like a spider or a giant demon or something, 263 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:23.399 and you know, this voice would be like, yeah, you 264 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:25.519 got to watch out for these things and see. 265 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:28.039 And so you were doing this while doing like a 266 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.240 more or less a meditation, right, because I've attempted to 267 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:34.799 do things like healing. Like most times i'd watch my 268 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:36.399 wife would be with me, right, So I'd be watching 269 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:38.919 movies or music videos and guys hanging out talking about 270 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.840 our lives. And it was able for me to accept 271 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:43.960 a lot of the pain and hurt that I maybe 272 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:45.919 even inflicted on her when we were younger, because you've 273 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.200 been together for so long, right, And I always I didn't. 274 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:50.799 I've only done a couple times when I've had the 275 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.759 opportunity to like lay there and really meditate. And as 276 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:56.960 you were saying, like healing traumas I my mom had 277 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.720 she miscarried when I was eight, Right, I think it 278 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.759 to me deeply more than she understands, of her trauma 279 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:07.519 actually being pressed upon on me without her even acknowledging it. 280 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:10.080 And and so like I lost a little brother. I 281 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:13.879 always wonder where he was. And one experience, I swear 282 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:17.000 I felt my mom's pain of when that experience happened 283 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:19.960 to her, Like that's how powerful this drug can be. 284 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:23.000 And uh, just to clar just to kind of give 285 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.799 you the at least there's some of the experiences I've had. 286 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.279 And then one time I was thinking about my grandparents 287 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:30.440 that died, my two uncles that died of one of 288 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.919 tumor with drug induced alcoholics. She was a massive alcoholic, 289 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.879 and I swear I heard her voice say I'm here 290 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.720 in her voice, and it like shut like just just 291 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:42.440 like you know when you get that cracked egg over 292 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:44.120 your head feeling like I think it's part of your 293 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:46.759 chakras or something, and you just feel that like vibration 294 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:48.639 all over your body. I felt that, and it's just 295 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.200 it's crazy with the ability these things can do to 296 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.000 unlock the trauma and the recesses of your mind, you know. 297 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:00.159 Yeah. I found whenever I would have an experience with 298 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.960 someone else, like my wife or other group of people, 299 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:07.879 that the experience would be focused on the collective energy, 300 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.120 and it would focus on things that me and the 301 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.759 other person would experience. But when I'm by myself and meditating, 302 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:17.600 it goes deep, man, It goes deep into your psyche, 303 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:19.879 and you face a lot of things you're not ready for, 304 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:22.679 a lot of things you don't want to. It brings 305 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:25.519 up those demons and those dark things that you did 306 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:27.320 in your life that you're not proud of, that you 307 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:31.080 never faced, and it gets difficult and it gets terrifying 308 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.320 at times. But the key is to face it. The 309 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.960 key is to look it right in the eye. And 310 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:40.000 even if it's the biggest, baddest, demonic looking entity that's 311 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:43.399 associated with something in your childhood that you're not proud 312 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:46.639 of and it comes after you, you get the sense of 313 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:50.480 what this is, why it's attacking you. And if you 314 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:52.840 don't face it, it just gets worse and you start 315 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:55.120 to have a bad trip and it just becomes a 316 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:59.080 really not fun experience. But if you can just look 317 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.759 it in the eye and understand why it's trying to 318 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:05.480 show this to you, it becomes an incredibly healing experience 319 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:08.359 and that demon or monster turns into an angel or 320 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.279 vibrant light or any you know, some kind of healing, 321 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:17.480 loving feeling that is a transmute. It transmutes itself from 322 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:20.839 something negative and that's what I think the key to 323 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:22.720 a lot of these experiences are. 324 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:26.160 And I've a certain practice of how you did it, 325 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:28.000 like like it just lay down, Like I listened to 326 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:29.960 Alan Watts a couple times when I was doing and 327 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:32.720 just to kind of get in a very meditative state, I. 328 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.640 Would always put on four thirty two Hurtz tones. Okay, 329 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:40.079 no like music with you know, a vocals or anything, 330 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:44.640 nothing that could really guide my consciousness besides just the tones. 331 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:47.240 Because then you're picking up on words and things that 332 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:49.559 the songs are associare with. Because I've like I've been 333 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.519 tripping balls out of my mind and somehow YouTube, it's 334 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:56.240 weird finds these songs that invoke, like invoke these emotions 335 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:58.640 out of me. How like I discovered this or just 336 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:02.200 I really like it's a British group London grammar, very 337 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:08.920 like methodical tunes, very emotional based music, and it kind 338 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.119 of invoked this thing out of me and I was like, well, 339 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:12.359 I didn't want to wake the wife. 340 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:14.000 It was before I started a new job. Whatever. 341 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.559 I'm listening to headphones plugged into like the PlayStation remote, 342 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:18.559 and then I'm like start crying my eyes out, and 343 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:19.960 like I don't even know why this is a song, 344 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:21.680 just like I don't even it just came on when 345 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:23.799 I was thinking there and then like, it's weird how 346 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.079 it guide you. And then certain songs will push you 347 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.039 in certain directions of like trauma and stuff like that, 348 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:34.359 and it's it's it's interesting how well it can use music. 349 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:36.960 But that's why I'm interested in what you've done, because 350 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:39.839 I want to also take that journey now that I've 351 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:42.160 had so much experience with it, and as you have done. 352 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.400 I was doing it every almost every other weekend, every 353 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.759 weekend last summer, watching horror movies outside doing like crazy 354 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:50.319 is shite. People are like, you're crazy, Like I watched 355 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:53.559 The Witch like out four grams of mushrooms on outside 356 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:55.960 by the fire on a projector, and then I could 357 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:58.599 I was obsessing about, like me using the Oigi bar 358 00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:00.200 when I was younger. After I was like, god, I 359 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:04.000 shouldn't have done that. All the dark arts. I was 360 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:07.640 thinking about how long just like the dark dimensions, like 361 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:10.720 this this occult magic sink into our reality and how 362 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:13.680 much has it been impacted on me? Like all these 363 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:16.160 crazy thoughts, like I watched America Wealf of London, Highest 364 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:18.759 Fight that was actually kind of fun. But I want 365 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:22.400 to start using it for what you've done and actually 366 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:26.440 try to attempt to reach some sort of higher being, 367 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.279 especially my higher self, because I feel that he's there 368 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:30.720 having them. 369 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:38.480 Yeah. Man, And these experiences became so intense, and the 370 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:43.519 synchronicities in these synchronisticism seeped into my waking life in 371 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:47.359 ways that I couldn't ignore. Things would unfold that I'd 372 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:52.640 be told about in the experience. Too many quote unquote 373 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:57.160 coincidences would unfold, and it would be like a story 374 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.960 unfolding that would start in these astral runs homes that 375 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:04.359 would seep into my waking life. And if I paid 376 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:08.720 attention to the synchronicities and things that were showing up 377 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:12.359 and followed them in a certain way, I would find success. 378 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:15.119 I would find happiness. If I didn't pay attention to 379 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:18.920 them or ignored certain things, that's when things wouldn't go 380 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:23.039 as they should in my life. And there were If 381 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:25.200 you want to, I can tell you about the two 382 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:31.680 most absolutely insanely crazy experiences. 383 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.880 I've had a juice bro I want. 384 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.480 To number one. This was a couple of years ago. 385 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:38.960 This was one of my ex girlfriends. 386 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:40.039 Did how many years ago. 387 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:44.799 Did you start kind of since twenty twenty one. 388 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:47.880 Oh wow, so you've beginning for a bit. 389 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.799 Yeah, because that's why I don't really I don't really 390 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:53.119 do it anymore. I mean ever, once in the blue moon, 391 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.720 I'll take a few, but I you know, I feel like, 392 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.759 especially after this, that this last big experience that I'm 393 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:03.279 about to tell you about, I really am like, okay, 394 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:06.079 this is this is a lot and I need to 395 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:08.200 take a break from. But I'll tell you about these 396 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:11.279 two experiences. First one was with an ex girlfriend a 397 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:14.440 couple of years ago, and this one really set off 398 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:19.119 the future experiences, as in there were a certain intensity, 399 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:23.319 and then after this experience, like a rocket ship, every 400 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:26.359 experience was insane after that. But with this one, I 401 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:28.920