Speaker 1: At a book.
Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for another
Speaker 2: livestream episode of Dogman Encounters Radio. Is quite a few
Speaker 2: of you know. I put it out there that tonight's
Speaker 2: guest would be the eyewitness who unfortunately had a very
Speaker 2: traumatic encounter five years ago, or about five years ago,
Speaker 2: i'd say, where the dog Man did something that well,
Speaker 2: I'll just say it traumatized him considerably. He describes that
Speaker 2: encounter as torturing him, leaving him to to present day.
Speaker 2: He's doing much better now after we had a chance
Speaker 2: to have a good conversation about it. But nonetheless, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: earlier today he reached out to me to let me
Speaker 2: know that he had to be admitted to the hospital.
Speaker 2: So due to that, he's not going to be able
Speaker 2: to come on tonight's show. Of course, you have to
Speaker 2: have your priorities straight. We just hope he's doing well
Speaker 2: and it's going to bounce back to good health. When
Speaker 2: I spoke with him last earlier, it seemed like he
Speaker 2: was doing better, but he wasn't putting out the numbers
Speaker 2: that the hospital staff wanted to see from him before
Speaker 2: they're going to be allowing him to go home. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, prayers are definitely going out there. Well,
Speaker 2: when I found out that he wasn't going to be
Speaker 2: able to come on Tonight's show, I reached out to
Speaker 2: another eyewitness, Tonight's eyewitness, Forrest, who had two encounters, one
Speaker 2: in eighty three and his most recent one in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: to ask him if he'd be available to come on
Speaker 2: and step into Matt's place for Tonight's live stream, And
Speaker 2: luckily he said yes, he agreed to do it, and
Speaker 2: the rest is history. So without any further Ado, let's
Speaker 2: bring him in here now. Forest, thanks so much for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 1: Hey, Viig, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're welcome. Like I said, on such short notice,
Speaker 2: especially really appreciate you doing this because obviously you didn't
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 1: Forest.
Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I grew up in Green Valley, a small community
Speaker 1: outside of Boone, North Carolina. I'm real rural dirt roads everywhere,
Speaker 1: lots of calfields, tobacco farms, and just mountains and woods everywhere.
Speaker 1: Real beautiful place. Ridge Parkway is not far from there.
Speaker 1: Just beautiful place to grow up. I you know, played
Speaker 1: in the woods with my friends, stick fighting, building, forts
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and you know, grew up
Speaker 1: like being outside so much. I decided to do construction
Speaker 1: type work, mostly painting, carpentry, woodworking, all sorts. My twenties,
Speaker 1: I decided the town was getting kind of small, and
Speaker 1: then we decided to go get on a sailboat and
Speaker 1: went up and down the coast a couple of times,
Speaker 1: crewing for a old World War two VET decided I
Speaker 1: wanted my own boat and lived in Charleston for a
Speaker 1: while trying to make that happen. And you know, I've
Speaker 1: just kind of moved around since then, been out west,
Speaker 1: lived in Seattle for a while, came back, lived over
Speaker 1: in Deep Gap around Boone, And yeah, I just worked
Speaker 1: as a carpenter a lot, worked as a painter a
Speaker 1: good bit, and kept up with a lot of my
Speaker 1: friends from high school and the like. And uh just
Speaker 1: been real lucky to have good teachers and good friends
Speaker 1: through my life. And here I am. I'm now in
Speaker 1: Wilmington painting and doing carpentry and still still have a
Speaker 1: boat I'm trying to fix. I think I a little
Speaker 1: naive and the amount of money and everything it takes
Speaker 1: to to take an old boat and it up to
Speaker 1: modern standards and and all that, but I'm still working
Speaker 1: at it. I met a lovely lady in Australia and
Speaker 1: I married her, and hoping to get back over there
Speaker 1: to see her soon. And uh yeah, just just working
Speaker 1: and uh I get out in my kayak a good
Speaker 1: bit and uh explore the creeks and stuff around here,
Speaker 1: and uh work. Uh yeah, I don't really know. Not
Speaker 1: a whole lot more to me, I guess. Uh done
Speaker 1: a little martial arts, and uh, you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: always interested in learning new skills and uh, furthering my
Speaker 1: knowledge of the world and the way it works. You know.
Speaker 1: Every time I think I got it figured out, you know,
Speaker 1: it's something else to it. So you know, it keeps
Speaker 1: it interesting. Don't get bored.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, life is a funny way of
Speaker 2: doing that. And holy cow, you're quite a bit younger
Speaker 2: than I am, and you've lived about what three four
Speaker 2: of the lifetimes I have. You've done a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I guess, so yeah, about any time I get comfortable
Speaker 1: doing one thing, it seems like either I get bored
Speaker 1: and decide to do something else, or life just moves
Speaker 1: along and takes me somewhere else. And throws me into
Speaker 1: a whole different things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, has a funny way of doing that, that's for sure. Forrest,
Speaker 2: you were just three years old when you had your
Speaker 2: first encounter, and due to your age, that's made it
Speaker 2: difficult for you to recall some of the details from
Speaker 2: that experience. Do you consider that to be a good
Speaker 2: thing or a bad thing?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I would sure like to know, you know,
Speaker 1: how you know exactly what happened. You know, I have
Speaker 1: my memory of it, but you know, I was so
Speaker 1: young that, you know, I don't know how much of
Speaker 1: that memory is what I've told myself and how much
Speaker 1: of it's what I actually saw. You know, that's real
Speaker 1: hard to say. So I would like to have a
Speaker 1: clear memory of it. But probably it was probably a
Speaker 1: good thing. You know that I was young enough that
Speaker 1: it you know, it didn't didn't keep me out of
Speaker 1: the woods or anything like that, you know, growing up.
Speaker 2: Well, from listening to you talk about all the things
Speaker 2: you've done, it definitely sounds like it hasn't hindered you.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're a go getter. You've gotten some things done,
Speaker 2: you sure have. And of course there are going to
Speaker 2: be people out there who pooh pooh, the idea that
Speaker 2: someone when they're three can grow into adulthood and remember
Speaker 2: anything from any experiences they had back then. But the
Speaker 2: line's funny. The way the mind works is for most
Speaker 2: people we suffer from something called childhood amnesia, where you
Speaker 2: don't remember things from back when you're two when you're three,
Speaker 2: unless it's really a really profound experience. But for some
Speaker 2: people that's not the case. Some people can recall things
Speaker 2: that happened to them back when they were that young.
Speaker 2: In fact, any time we are an episode where someone
Speaker 2: talks about having an encounter back then when they were
Speaker 2: three years old, for example, you've got all these people
Speaker 2: who come forward and say that's impossible. Well, you've got
Speaker 2: several people coming forward talking about how they can remember
Speaker 2: things that happened to them back when they were three.
Speaker 2: That's a testament to the fact that some people don't
Speaker 2: suffer from childhood amnesia. So I just want to put
Speaker 2: that out there. I'm wondering, your dad was with you
Speaker 2: the day that you had that first encounter. What can
Speaker 2: you tell us about him before we go any further.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if I lived three or four lifetimes
Speaker 1: in my years, i'd say, my dad probably would have
Speaker 1: lived twenty in the same amount of time. He just
Speaker 1: he's one of those people that just draws, you know,
Speaker 1: just fantastic events, you know, just strange things, wonderful things,
Speaker 1: horrible things. Just seems like throughout his life he's been
Speaker 1: like that. And he grew up in upstate New York,
Speaker 1: way out in the woods. I think the nearest neighbor
Speaker 1: was five miles away, and he uh, you know, so
Speaker 1: he's uh, he's always been a woodsman and hunter, and
Speaker 1: it's a brilliant guy, real good mechanic. And he served
Speaker 1: some time in the Navy and fixed up a lot
Speaker 1: of hot rods over the years and raced about anything
Speaker 1: other than planes that you can raise. Because he's colorblind.
Speaker 1: He wanted to get into he wanted to be a pilot,
Speaker 1: but he's colorblind, so he couldn't do that. But he's
Speaker 1: quite the character. I was trying to talk to him
Speaker 1: into coming on here. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I can or not.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for trying to get him to come on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gave me permission to mention some of his
Speaker 1: stuff that's happened to him, you know, rocks getting thrown
Speaker 1: into campsites and there was actually a baby that got
Speaker 1: taken that he tracked down. I think it was a
Speaker 1: dog man. The left dog prints and it moved so
Speaker 1: quick all he could see was a black streak. So
Speaker 1: huh yeah, so yeah, does.
Speaker 2: Make you wonder just might have been. And Dan Paul,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for the donation. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: All right, Forrest, please tell us about your encounters. Now,
Speaker 2: give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, So back in eighty three when I was three,
Speaker 1: you know, my parents still remember I told them that
Speaker 1: I saw a giant bear with red eyes, which you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about dog man. I just knew
Speaker 1: bears were really big and could stand up on their
Speaker 1: hind legs. And they told me that it was a dream,
Speaker 1: you know, because they had no memory of it. But
Speaker 1: the way it happened, you know, they wouldn't have seen anything.
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't let that convince I never
Speaker 1: did had let them convince me that it was just
Speaker 1: a dream. I always thought it was something that really happened.
Speaker 1: So what it was was, you know, my dad and
Speaker 1: I were on a hike up in the woods around
Speaker 1: the house. The house was a old farmhouse sitting kind
Speaker 1: of on the edge of a big cow field. And
Speaker 1: then behind the house where the cowfield was, it was
Speaker 1: probably one hundred yards out to the tree line, and
Speaker 1: the field went on down the mountain, and then the
Speaker 1: road ran right in front of the house, a little
Speaker 1: gravel road, and then there was just a mountain just
Speaker 1: of woods on the other side of the road, and
Speaker 1: I think on the top of that mountain there's a
Speaker 1: field that it hardly ever went all the way up there.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty big mountain. And anyway, we were
Speaker 1: up on that mountain on the other side of the
Speaker 1: road from what I remember, and uh, you know, my
Speaker 1: dad and I we were, you know, we were always
Speaker 1: real playful, and uh you know, he he liked to,
Speaker 1: uh you know, kind of hide behind a little bush
Speaker 1: where you know, it really wasn't hiding him at all,
Speaker 1: you know, but he could be so still that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't see him, and you know, and he kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, scare you a little bit, and uh you know,
Speaker 1: and I of course tried to do the same thing
Speaker 1: back to him every chance I got. So I just
Speaker 1: remember we were on this hike and I heard this
Speaker 1: rustling back behind a thicket, a little thicket of bushes,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, you know, I've got him now,
Speaker 1: you know, like I heard him, you know, getting in
Speaker 1: a position I'm gonna like instead of going on around
Speaker 1: to the left side, like I was, kind of seems
Speaker 1: like I was, you know, kind of walking up the
Speaker 1: hill and this I think it would have been off
Speaker 1: to the right. So rather than going up and kind
Speaker 1: of coming around the left side of the thicket, I
Speaker 1: turned and went to the right and came around the
Speaker 1: other way. And you know, I'm all ready is to
Speaker 1: you know, go boo or whatever, and uh, I come
Speaker 1: around and I just remember, you know, looking where I
Speaker 1: thought my dad would be, and it was just this
Speaker 1: just I just kept looking up, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: little three year old me. I mean I must have looked,
Speaker 1: you know, ten twelve feet tall, just like looking way up,
Speaker 1: and it was this this brown creature. You know, it
Speaker 1: had a it had a long snout. I can't remember
Speaker 1: if the ears were pointed or around it. You know,
Speaker 1: I I really see a wolf's face now, but you
Speaker 1: know it's hard for me to say, you know clearly,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I just remember it was so tall and
Speaker 1: then the thing about it that really just just really
Speaker 1: caught my attention was its eyes where there's burning red
Speaker 1: like like emanating light, like not like eyeshine or anything
Speaker 1: like that. You know, this was during the day, but
Speaker 1: it was it was almost like tail lights, like is
Speaker 1: the way I remember it, Just you know, just really
Speaker 1: bright red eyes and a real stern expression and just
Speaker 1: you know, it kind of emanated this like it manned respect.
Speaker 1: Like it was like like allowing me, you know, I
Speaker 1: guess in my childish innocence to like observe it, but
Speaker 1: it demands, you know, like it was letting me know
Speaker 1: that it was very serious, you know, like I couldn't
Speaker 1: I couldn't just fool around. I had to focus on
Speaker 1: it and whatever it wanted. Kind of it is just
Speaker 1: kind of the sense I got. And this as I
Speaker 1: looked up at it and about you know, it was
Speaker 1: just kind of all in a second and and we
Speaker 1: me and it heard my my actual dad coming around
Speaker 1: the bushes from the other side, like the way I
Speaker 1: would have gone originally, like maybe he'd come back down
Speaker 1: to check on me, and uh it like you know,
Speaker 1: people talk about these things being telepathic, and that was
Speaker 1: kind of what it was like. It was like it
Speaker 1: just kind of I don't even know if it moved
Speaker 1: its eyes, but it it just I got the sense
Speaker 1: from it that it wanted me to go back the
Speaker 1: way I had come real quick and get my dad's attention,
Speaker 1: because it did not want to be caught between us
Speaker 1: and forced into like a confrontation, you know, between him
Speaker 1: and his son. You know, I just it didn't want that,
Speaker 1: you know, and so so you know I did. I
Speaker 1: just scampered back around and and uh, you know, got
Speaker 1: my dad's attention, and you know, that's really the the
Speaker 1: memory I have. You know, I don't really remember much
Speaker 1: more about the hike or anything like that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's such an early memory, you know, one of my
Speaker 1: earliest that Yeah, it's kind of unclear, but I I
Speaker 1: do remember trying to my parents, like probably I think
Speaker 1: it was later that day or you know, and on
Speaker 1: into the next couple of days. I think I did
Speaker 1: it more than once. I brought it up and talked
Speaker 1: about the big bear with the the red eyes. But
Speaker 1: I think I just didn't have the vocabulary, you know,
Speaker 1: I just the bear was the only thing I could
Speaker 1: think of that that that could possibly be, you know,
Speaker 1: at the time. But it stood real still the whole time,
Speaker 1: on two legs. It was totally standing upright. It looked
Speaker 1: kind of thin, you know, it wasn't like like bulky.
Speaker 1: From what I remember. I remember it being really tall
Speaker 1: and lean kind of and just mostly I was focused
Speaker 1: on its face and and those those eyes, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always been real comfortable in the woods,
Speaker 1: you know, like when I was little, I'd just could
Speaker 1: find a little clump of tall grass out in the
Speaker 1: woods and just go curl up in it like a
Speaker 1: fawn or something. You know, Like I was just always
Speaker 1: real comfortable in the woods and stuff. And this event
Speaker 1: didn't really ever, like, even as it was happening, I
Speaker 1: don't think I even got scared, really, you know. I
Speaker 1: was just so fascinated, is how I remember it. You know,
Speaker 1: I was just all eyes looking at this thing. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was the first encounter. Let's see. I go
Speaker 1: on too later in life, after I was grown up,
Speaker 1: in my early thirties, I had crewed on the boat
Speaker 1: this point, going up to you know, i'd lived in Charleston,
Speaker 1: lived in Winston, Salem, going out to Seattle come back,
Speaker 1: I was well, she was she was actually my fiancee
Speaker 1: this with this uh you know, I was with this
Speaker 1: girl Bobby, who I'd known since high school. She was
Speaker 1: actually the the video you know, back when we had
Speaker 1: Primetime video. It was kind of like Blockbuster, you know,
Speaker 1: you go rent your movies and video games and stuff,
Speaker 1: and she was the checkout girl. And she was real cute.
Speaker 1: So I'd always flirt with her and stuff. But ended up,
Speaker 1: you know, we got together and uh, we were living
Speaker 1: together and uh, you know, like life was pretty stressful
Speaker 1: at this point. Like she had a lot going on.
Speaker 1: I had a lot going on. And my mom and
Speaker 1: her husband, they live in a little cabin. It's down
Speaker 1: in the woods basically to me. It really close to
Speaker 1: the Parkway and there's just a little short paved road
Speaker 1: that comes off, you know, one of these state roads,
Speaker 1: and you turn off of that onto a gravel road
Speaker 1: and go buy a couple of houses that are right
Speaker 1: near the turn off there, and then you go on
Speaker 1: down and there's like a corn vegetable garden and a
Speaker 1: you know, a barn and stuff. And then you go
Speaker 1: on down further and the driveway get starts getting kind
Speaker 1: of bad. It washes out and stuff because it gets
Speaker 1: so steep, so it's probably you know, from the last
Speaker 1: couple of houses, it's another quarter mile on down this
Speaker 1: real steep driveway that just goes right through the woods,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean the trees touch each other going
Speaker 1: over it, and it gets real dark, you know, just
Speaker 1: because of all the trees, and you go on down
Speaker 1: and then it kind of opens up, like right where
Speaker 1: the cabin is, there's a little creek that runs down
Speaker 1: through there, and you know where you part the cars,
Speaker 1: it's opened up enough to let some light in and
Speaker 1: it's cleared maybe fifty feet back from the cabin all
Speaker 1: the way around, and there's lots of pine trees. But
Speaker 1: it's a pretty you know, it's a pretty small little valley.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just two mountains coming down and a
Speaker 1: little bit of flat at the bottom, but not very
Speaker 1: much at all, so you're you know, you're you're down
Speaker 1: in kind of a hole there. It stays kind of damp,
Speaker 1: and but it's a real beautiful place. It's quiet. I
Speaker 1: think there's the Christmas Tree farm upstream where if you
Speaker 1: look out through the woods sometimes you know, during the winter,
Speaker 1: you can see a couple of the Christmas trees and
Speaker 1: then down down the creek. If you walk maybe a
Speaker 1: quarter or half probably a half mile down, you can
Speaker 1: get to another Christmas tree farm. But right there it's
Speaker 1: just all woods. And if you you know, you could
Speaker 1: walk back up the driveway and be back up. You know,
Speaker 1: we're around some houses and stuff. But if you walk
Speaker 1: behind the cabin, I think it's about a mile you
Speaker 1: could walk just through the woods and then you run
Speaker 1: into the parkway. So it's it's real remote and uh quiet, peaceful.
Speaker 1: But they, you know, they still go and do all,
Speaker 1: you know, go camping and visiting people and all that.
Speaker 1: So you know, they would ask me to either, you know,
Speaker 1: come feed the chickens and you know the cats the dogs,
Speaker 1: you know, at different periods. At this time, it seems
Speaker 1: like they didn't have they had they had had chickens,
Speaker 1: but they lost them to something, and so I really
Speaker 1: don't know that they really had I think they took
Speaker 1: the dog with them, Charlie, and the chickens weren't there.
Speaker 1: There might have been some cats to feed, but I
Speaker 1: think more or less they were just like, we're going
Speaker 1: to be out of town. You know, you're welcome to
Speaker 1: come stay at the cabin if you want, so Bobby
Speaker 1: and I were just like, okay, sure, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's just they They've done a really nice job with
Speaker 1: the place. David's a carpenter and he'd always I guess
Speaker 1: he'd saved a bunch of building material, so he used
Speaker 1: recycled building materials to build this cabin. I think the
Speaker 1: root of the cabin was like a really old cabin
Speaker 1: that had been moved there, and then he added on
Speaker 1: to it. He made this really nice screened import and yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're into Buddhism and zen. My mom's a yoga
Speaker 1: teacher and does massage and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know, so they just really had turned it
Speaker 1: into a really nice little kind of meditation place and
Speaker 1: it was really relaxing. So Bobby and I were really
Speaker 1: excited to get over there and just chill out and
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, get away from everything for a
Speaker 1: couple of days. So that's what we were doing. And
Speaker 1: you know, it was a beautiful day, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: if my mom had been there, she would have been
Speaker 1: yelling at me to go outside and go for a hike,
Speaker 1: because that's what she always does. Like her and David
Speaker 1: both are always out in the woods, like she goes
Speaker 1: on long hikes every day. David gets up at like
Speaker 1: four thirty in the morning and runs year round, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if it's snow or or what. He's out there running.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure she would have been yelling at me
Speaker 1: to get out and go go hike or do something
Speaker 1: outside like she'd always done when I grew up. But uh,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't there. And Bobby and I like like
Speaker 1: watching movies, so we, uh, we were just watching a
Speaker 1: movie in the middle of the day. You know. I
Speaker 1: think it was like a Saturday or something, you know,
Speaker 1: and uh, it was a bright summer day. I don't
Speaker 1: think there were many clouds in the sky or anything.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. The sun was beating down and you know,
Speaker 1: we had all the doors open, and it was just
Speaker 1: a really nice day, and we found some cool movie
Speaker 1: to watch and we were just sitting there. You know.
Speaker 1: I think I had a drink or two and watching
Speaker 1: this action movie, and uh, I think I think we
Speaker 1: were just kind of sitting there, you know, making fun
Speaker 1: of some of the corny lines and stuff in the
Speaker 1: movie and laughing, having a good time. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: in the midst of this, just all of a sudden
Speaker 1: just wam like this this this wow bang, you know,
Speaker 1: just made both of us jump, and you know, I
Speaker 1: so all right, I'm getting had so So I guess
Speaker 1: the layout of the cabin. You know, it's a little cabin.
Speaker 1: So most of the stuff is in one central room.
Speaker 1: There is a bedroom built off one side to the
Speaker 1: right if you're looking in the front door, and then
Speaker 1: I guess to the left there's kind of a little
Speaker 1: hallway that goes to like a bathroom, but the kitchen
Speaker 1: in the living room or like the main area, there's
Speaker 1: a little loft up top. But so at this time
Speaker 1: they had they always liked to move stuff around, but
Speaker 1: at this time they had a couch against the right
Speaker 1: hand wall and like a recliner kind of against the
Speaker 1: entrance way wall, and the TV was kind of on
Speaker 1: a shelf coming out from that right hand wall, and
Speaker 1: that kind of made a little den area. And on
Speaker 1: the back side of it there was like a computer desk,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of little office space, I guess, And
Speaker 1: across from that is like a pantry kind of behind
Speaker 1: the kitchen stuff. So all the kitchen stuffs on the
Speaker 1: left hand side, like cabinets and the stove and all that,
Speaker 1: and then there's a wood stove in the middle of
Speaker 1: the room. So I'm kind of sitting over to the
Speaker 1: right hand side, looking straight towards the back of the
Speaker 1: house at the TV. And so if you go so
Speaker 1: you have the main room where I'm at, you have
Speaker 1: the computer desk, Well, there's like a door that goes
Speaker 1: out to like a carolina room or a mudroom kind
Speaker 1: of thing right behind there. So it's it's almost like
Speaker 1: a little hallway going back, and that door is open
Speaker 1: to the mudroom. And then that mudroom, you know, it
Speaker 1: just has a screen door on it. You know, during
Speaker 1: the winter you would close the the more inner door
Speaker 1: and the mudroom would just stay cold, you know. So
Speaker 1: that mudroom just has a screen door. It's all it has.
Speaker 1: And it's maybe, uh, maybe twenty twenty five feet from
Speaker 1: from where I'm sitting, Like I'm sitting looking at the TV.
Speaker 1: The TV's maybe eight feet at the most, probably six
Speaker 1: feet in front of me, and I'm sitting in the
Speaker 1: recliner and Bobby's sitting on the couch like to my right.
Speaker 1: So looking forward, I see the TV, and then right
Speaker 1: to the left of the TV, I see the uh
Speaker 1: that screen door on the outside of the mudroom and
Speaker 1: it you know, it's such a beautiful day. The sun's
Speaker 1: like shining on the cut grass and the woods behind it.
Speaker 1: So it's just this like glowing green out there, you know.
Speaker 1: And I mean maybe I mean I was watching the movie,
Speaker 1: but even staring at the TV that's right in my
Speaker 1: field of view. But maybe I had been like looking
Speaker 1: over at Bobby's saying something when that loud that bamn happening.
Speaker 1: It happened, but you know, that sound happened, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out, you know what, what
Speaker 1: what happens? You know, what is this? And I look
Speaker 1: and I realize that now instead of seeing all that
Speaker 1: green grass, it's just black like that whole You know
Speaker 1: how a screen door has metal at the bottom and
Speaker 1: then it's got like two windows. It's got the middle
Speaker 1: one and the upper one, and you can slide the
Speaker 1: glass up into the top one and then it's just screen. Well,
Speaker 1: that middle window went from just being like vibrant, bright
Speaker 1: green like the last time I looked or whatever, like
Speaker 1: now the sound has happened, and now that middle window
Speaker 1: is just black, like it's just totally black, like like
Speaker 1: none of the top window was black, it would still
Speaker 1: look normal, just trees and stuff out of it. But
Speaker 1: that middle window is just black. And you know, my
Speaker 1: I've already got the jolt of the loud sound, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, something jumping out in a
Speaker 1: scary movie or something. I got that kind of that
Speaker 1: feeling going on, and I'm just you know, you usually
Speaker 1: when something like that happens, you know, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you find some way to like bring yourself
Speaker 1: back down. So I'm like trying to figure out what's
Speaker 1: going on to calm myself back down from that. And
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this black and uh, I'm just like, well,
Speaker 1: this is weird. This is just weird, and I can't
Speaker 1: I can't figure out what it is. For probably like
Speaker 1: five seconds or something, I'm just looking at this black
Speaker 1: and and about you know, five seconds in, I start seeing,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm able to find in some detail, and
Speaker 1: uh what I saw was kind of like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: almost like you know how a h an ape's face,
Speaker 1: like its skin is that real shiny black like it
Speaker 1: was kind of see. I realized I could kind of
Speaker 1: see towards the middle of the window, you know, like
Speaker 1: some like shine on like some like black skin or something.
Speaker 1: And I realized, I'm looking at a snout, like a
Speaker 1: long snout, like aim down at the ground, and I'm
Speaker 1: seeing like like the lines, like it's all snarling and
Speaker 1: it's you know how the ridge on a dog when
Speaker 1: they snarl, they get all those ridges. It was like
Speaker 1: those ridges were catching a light. And I was able
Speaker 1: to sit like figure out like that's a snout, and
Speaker 1: I looked up to where I would think the eyes
Speaker 1: would be and I found them. I found the eyes.
Speaker 1: And the reason I had seen them before as they
Speaker 1: were just pitch. They were just black. There was no
Speaker 1: whites or anything. They were just totally black. And uh,
Speaker 1: but I guess maybe because of the shape of them,
Speaker 1: I can tell they're just like looking around, like frantically,
Speaker 1: just look looking, you know, back and forth and up
Speaker 1: and down, and uh, just taking in everything within its sight.
Speaker 1: And it looks like at this point I'm starting to
Speaker 1: like put together, you know what I'm seeing, and uh,
Speaker 1: it looks like this it's like just pressed up against
Speaker 1: that window, like like it's got its face just smashed
Speaker 1: against the glass. I said it probably was the screen.
Speaker 1: I don't even think the glass was down. I think
Speaker 1: it was just the screen, but it was just like
Speaker 1: thrussed up against it. And I mean, I guess it's
Speaker 1: it's shoulders and its back were so big. You couldn't
Speaker 1: see the outline of the head. It was just it
Speaker 1: was just all black and I could just see those
Speaker 1: the eyes and the ridges on the snout enough to
Speaker 1: tell that it's you know, it had its snout aimed
Speaker 1: at the ground to get its eyes like closer to
Speaker 1: the to the window. You know, you're kind of like,
Speaker 1: I guess if you were out in the sun and
Speaker 1: you want to look into a dark room, you know
Speaker 1: how you would like put your hands around your eyes.
Speaker 1: It was almost like it was using its whole body
Speaker 1: to kind of do that, and and and just and
Speaker 1: it was about you know, when I when I it
Speaker 1: was when I saw the eyes that I realized, like
Speaker 1: like this this thing is like already seeing you, and
Speaker 1: you know it's not even bothering to look at you
Speaker 1: at this point, like and you're still just trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on. Like I just felt I
Speaker 1: felt totally had, you know, just and uh, it was
Speaker 1: like as soon as I was able to pick out
Speaker 1: its eyes, like my body. I think I was maybe
Speaker 1: even starting to just go into shock. Like you know,
Speaker 1: I've heard lots of eyewitnesses talk about the fear these
Speaker 1: things put off, and that's what it was. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not just like a feeling, it's like a physical reaction,
Speaker 1: like my body just started like shutting down. Bobby later,
Speaker 1: when I talked to her about it, she said she
Speaker 1: was looking at me and she could tell I was
Speaker 1: just staring at something and just the my face just
Speaker 1: you know, she said, all the blood just drained out
Speaker 1: of my face. I went, you know, bone white, My
Speaker 1: eyes started like pugging out of my head, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like part of me wanted to get up,
Speaker 1: and like you know, like with with any normal animal,
Speaker 1: you know, if you make a large, aggressive movement, you know,
Speaker 1: the chances are they're going to run away, you know,
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I had it in my head
Speaker 1: maybe to do something like that, but then this this
Speaker 1: fear or whatever it is, just kicked in and there
Speaker 1: was just no way. There was no way I was
Speaker 1: getting up. And maybe it's like like something with like
Speaker 1: the way a rabbit, you know, when they get startled,
Speaker 1: they'll just freeze. Like it was like that I just
Speaker 1: could not move, and I was just frozen. And I mean,
Speaker 1: that thing could have done anything like and in the
Speaker 1: way it was smashed up against the glass, it just
Speaker 1: looked like it was just ready to pounce, like it
Speaker 1: was just looking for a target, which I had my
Speaker 1: little dog, or it was Bobby's little dog ended up
Speaker 1: being my dog later, Rascal. He was a little Chihuahuah
Speaker 1: terrier mutt, a goofy little guy, but he had the
Speaker 1: heart of a lion. Like this guy. He was there
Speaker 1: with us, and you know, I think like he usually was,
Speaker 1: he was probably curled up in his his mom's lap,
Speaker 1: you know, passed out. And I'm glad because I'm sure
Speaker 1: if he would have seen this thing, he probably would
Speaker 1: have gone right after. He was just one of those,
Speaker 1: you know, he just was all heart and not much sense.
Speaker 1: But but I he was out of sight, and I
Speaker 1: kind of felt like maybe it was looking for him,
Speaker 1: like it had smelled him where we'd let him out,
Speaker 1: But I don't know, you know, And and I just
Speaker 1: had that sense if I was to get up and
Speaker 1: try to scare this thing off, I was really gonna
Speaker 1: just draw it in. But I really think I'm just
Speaker 1: rationalizing at this point because I was just frozen in fear.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could have gotten up if I
Speaker 1: had tried. Maybe I could have gotten up, but I
Speaker 1: would have you know, my legs would have been shaken,
Speaker 1: like like wet noodles or something. You know, I was.
Speaker 1: I was a mess. And you know, this went on
Speaker 1: for like, I mean, it felt like hours, but it
Speaker 1: was probably like thirty seconds, like it filled up that
Speaker 1: window and it was just looking everywhere. It never made
Speaker 1: eye contact with me, but its whole head and body
Speaker 1: were aimed right at me, So I know, I know
Speaker 1: it had looked at me, and I think it was
Speaker 1: when I looked over that way that it started looking
Speaker 1: everywhere else. Maybe, I mean, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I don't even understand how it got
Speaker 1: to fill that window up without me seeing it come
Speaker 1: into my view, you know, because it was right there
Speaker 1: in front of me, like twenty feet away maybe and
Speaker 1: you know, a big window. You know, it was right there,
Speaker 1: and I didn't I did not see it move when
Speaker 1: it came. It was just there. I heard the noise
Speaker 1: and it was there like it must have just come
Speaker 1: running in at mock five and just like I think
Speaker 1: it put its hands up on either side of the
Speaker 1: door as it like to stop itself, and it just
Speaker 1: immediately froze. Which it's been kind of blowing my mind
Speaker 1: because it, you know, I was kind of convincing myself,
Speaker 1: well maybe it was like an adolescent and didn't really
Speaker 1: know what it was doing. But for it to totally
Speaker 1: fill that bottom window and not get any bit of
Speaker 1: itself in that top window, it was like it knew
Speaker 1: how to do that. Like it was like if it
Speaker 1: had been nighttime, I wouldn't I would have had no
Speaker 1: idea it was there, you know, like it you you
Speaker 1: know you would have you would have no way to
Speaker 1: really see it. It could just be right smashed up
Speaker 1: against the window like that, and you would have no
Speaker 1: idea unless you like shine a flashlight out through it
Speaker 1: or something maybe. And and it and its fur was
Speaker 1: just this like this, Matt Black, you know, no reflection
Speaker 1: at all, you know, I mean I I couldn't make
Speaker 1: out any body parts other than the snout in the eyes.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see the teeth. I think it was because
Speaker 1: it was snarling. I think its gums were maybe hiding
Speaker 1: the teeth. And yes, this went on for like thirty
Speaker 1: seconds and then it just faster than I've ever seen
Speaker 1: a cat or anything. It just jumped its whole body
Speaker 1: without turning, just its whole old body. Just it just
Speaker 1: jumped to my right and was gone with no noise
Speaker 1: at all. I never smelled anything, and I I, you know,
Speaker 1: I turned to Bobby and was just like, what was that?
Speaker 1: I think, I think in my my written report, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, did you see that or something? But I
Speaker 1: just assumed, I remember now, like I just assumed that
Speaker 1: she had seen it too, but apparently because she was
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch, like the TV was blocking her
Speaker 1: view of the door, and she was just looking at
Speaker 1: me see it, which I think freaked her out pretty
Speaker 1: good just seeing me see it. But I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, what was that? Because you know, in my mind,
Speaker 1: like you know, I had no I'd never heard of
Speaker 1: a dog man, you know, you know, I've always been
Speaker 1: in the sasquatch and stuff like that, but I never
Speaker 1: for a second thought that that's what it was. It
Speaker 1: was just putting off this very aggressive kind of benevolence,
Speaker 1: you know, just it was in full hunt mode or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was terrifying, And yeah, I just you know, I
Speaker 1: was like, what was that? And because my mind the
Speaker 1: only thing that I like, my mind, you know, your
Speaker 1: inner voice, you know, as I'm like looking at this thing,
Speaker 1: when I saw those eyes, my inner voice just said demon,
Speaker 1: Like that was the only thing that came to mind.
Speaker 1: You know. Maybe if I had heard of dogmen before then,
Speaker 1: you know, I would have thought that, but I just
Speaker 1: didn't have that, you know, I didn't you know, I
Speaker 1: never really believed in wear wolves or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It just wasn't something that I thought about. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I was just like, what was that? You know,
Speaker 1: and you know, and it really kind of made it
Speaker 1: hard to tell the story because like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not really a religious person per se. You know, I
Speaker 1: definitely believe there's a lot to this world and all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. I'm not gonna say nothing that that
Speaker 1: stuff isn't real, but it's just not really my thing.
Speaker 1: So to go around and tell you oh, I saw
Speaker 1: this demon, you know, it wasn't really something I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. And I did tell my closest friends about it,
Speaker 1: and I warned. I told my mom and David when
Speaker 1: they got back, you know, that we'd seen something. You know,
Speaker 1: one one thought I had was that, you know, because
Speaker 1: they spend so much time outside and everything, like maybe
Speaker 1: this dog man had been around kind of watching them,
Speaker 1: and then they were gone and their cars were gone,
Speaker 1: and you know, when I was a pretty frequent visitor,
Speaker 1: so my sense would have you know, my smells and
Speaker 1: stuff would have been around there, you know, normally anyway,
Speaker 1: So maybe it just thought we weren't there, but we
Speaker 1: were making so much noise it had to I just
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not sure what it was doing. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was just waking me up, telling me I need
Speaker 1: to be a little more on my toes. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I just didn't really know how to categorize
Speaker 1: what had happened. So, you know, I told a few people,
Speaker 1: and you know, just kind of I didn't tell a
Speaker 1: whole lot of people, and I didn't really talk about it,
Speaker 1: you know, after you know, that first week, I told
Speaker 1: some people and you know, got kind of you know,
Speaker 1: no one might really ridiculed me, but they didn't really
Speaker 1: have much to say about it either, So I just
Speaker 1: kind of quit talking about it, and I guess eventually
Speaker 1: kind of quit thinking about it, you know, and went
Speaker 1: on with my life. And it wasn't until this year
Speaker 1: I found dog man encounters, and you know, and when
Speaker 1: I started hearing these people talk about that fear coming
Speaker 1: off them and how fast they move and how big
Speaker 1: they are, is when I was when I figured out
Speaker 1: that that was most likely what I saw, because I mean,
Speaker 1: when you think about that middle window of a screen door,
Speaker 1: I mean the top of it's like four feet off
Speaker 1: the ground, and this thing was like hunched down and
Speaker 1: totally filling that window at four feet off the ground,
Speaker 1: the whole width of the window what like two and
Speaker 1: a half feet at least, just totally filling that space
Speaker 1: with blackness, like not even seeing the edges of this thing.
Speaker 1: And I mean it just had to be so big,
Speaker 1: and it moved so fast and so quiet. So after
Speaker 1: it jumped away, I I knew I should go check,
Speaker 1: you know, well, you know, check the perimeter or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, see see if it's left or what's going on.
Speaker 1: But I was I was too scared to go out
Speaker 1: there right away, so I gave it like five or
Speaker 1: ten minutes, you know, just kind of pacing around inside,
Speaker 1: looking out the windows and listening and stuff, making sure
Speaker 1: I didn't hear it get on the roof or something.
Speaker 1: And after about ten minutes, I think, I went back
Speaker 1: to the screen door and looked out as best I
Speaker 1: could and opened it and like took maybe two or
Speaker 1: three steps outside, and it was it was it was
Speaker 1: that that real quiet, you know, that stillness. It was
Speaker 1: real sunny and bright, but it was just dead quiet.
Speaker 1: And I felt watched. And I you know, looking at
Speaker 1: the roof and looking at through the trees, you know,
Speaker 1: just trying to look everywhere at once. And you know,
Speaker 1: I glanced down, you know, and looked for tracks. I
Speaker 1: couldn't couldn't find any tracks, but I didn't spend a hole.
Speaker 1: Like I did not feel comfortable to just stare at
Speaker 1: the ground, you know. I felt like I needed to
Speaker 1: be looking checking everywhere I could. And that backyard, I
Speaker 1: think because they had the chickens, Like I can't really
Speaker 1: remember why, but they had put this like five foot
Speaker 1: high hogwire fence around that backyard at this point, and
Speaker 1: it was actually enclosed, you know, which that hogwire is
Speaker 1: just you know, a little sixteenth inch wire, you know,
Speaker 1: making like two by four squares or something like that.
Speaker 1: If I was to climb over it, I would bend
Speaker 1: it and you would be able to see where I
Speaker 1: climbed over it. So I looked, you know, I would
Speaker 1: looked for for some kind of sign that something had
Speaker 1: climbed over this fence, and there was nothing. It was.
Speaker 1: It was pristine, there was no sign of the fence
Speaker 1: damaged it all. So I figured whatever it was must
Speaker 1: have just leapt right over this five foot fence silently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean at this point, I mean, I can't think
Speaker 1: of anything it could have been besides a dog man.
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, it's uh, you know these days, I
Speaker 1: I mean I'm intrigued, you know, like.
Speaker 3: You know, I.
Speaker 1: Don't want to see that one again. But if if
Speaker 1: a nice one weren't like run by, you know, about
Speaker 1: one hundred yards away, I mean I would I would
Speaker 1: be thrilled, you know, if as long as I could
Speaker 1: get away afterwards what not. But uh, it's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess I just these days. The biggest effect that
Speaker 1: it has on me is that I pay attention to
Speaker 1: clumps of trees and stuff beside the road. Anytime there's
Speaker 1: like a cleared field, I'm always looking. I got some
Speaker 1: good binoculars. I just like looking, which I figure that's
Speaker 1: probably the best way to not see one too, Beanness.
Speaker 1: They just barely run up to your window when you're
Speaker 1: not paying attention, and you know, if they're scared of
Speaker 1: cameras and stuff, maybe maybe that's the best way not
Speaker 1: to see them. I don't know, but yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: a little more on my toes, I guess, or try
Speaker 1: to be these days. I'm not really too you know.
Speaker 1: I get freaked out sometimes out in the woods, but
Speaker 1: not too bad. And I'm definitely going to keep on
Speaker 1: going out there. And yeah, it's uh, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just part of being in the woods. There's always other
Speaker 1: things out there, and you know that that's what makes
Speaker 1: it fun. Yeah, so that that was my encounter. I've
Speaker 1: never had anything else in my life like affect me
Speaker 1: with that kind of fear and that kind of just reaction.
Speaker 1: It's something I'll never forget.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you never will forget it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: totally understandable talking about that first encounter Forrest. Like I
Speaker 2: said earlier, I know there are going to be tons
Speaker 2: of people who who try to shoot down the idea
Speaker 2: that a kid who's three could carry those memories to adulthood.
Speaker 2: They think it's impossible, but have already gone over the
Speaker 2: whole childhood amnesia thing. But to back up your claim
Speaker 2: that it happened, which I fully believe it did, your
Speaker 2: parents told you about some of the strange things that
Speaker 2: happened that very same year that just might have been
Speaker 2: dogged me and related as well. Please flesh that out
Speaker 2: for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, so my dad he told me a story.
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I guess I'm not positive that this
Speaker 1: was that same summer, but I had but it was
Speaker 1: definitely it was, you know, that same age. I was
Speaker 1: a same age, and I'm pretty sure it was. But
Speaker 1: he told me about there was something we had this
Speaker 1: I think it was like a couple of box woods
Speaker 1: that had you know, this how this old farmhouse was
Speaker 1: like one hundred years old or something. I think these
Speaker 1: were some old box was just been let grow or something.
Speaker 1: So they were like twenty feet tall and maybe fifteen
Speaker 1: feet across, and you know, they were just like twenty
Speaker 1: thirty feet from the house, you know, just out in
Speaker 1: the yard there, and I would play in there and stuff.
Speaker 1: He could climb in to the middle of him and
Speaker 1: be out of sight, you know, and climb around in him.
Speaker 1: And he said something was in there, just shaking them
Speaker 1: all over, you know, I think to him he thought
Speaker 1: it was something kind of paranormal, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he told me the story. It was just something in there,
Speaker 1: just shaking and those off and he can't remember he
Speaker 1: did something and it went flying off like I thought
Speaker 1: he might. I don't know if he saw anything, but
Speaker 1: it was just it was there, shaking everything, and then
Speaker 1: it was gone, whatever that was. And then there my
Speaker 1: mom told me another story, and this would have been
Speaker 1: like that same summer. You know, we had the big
Speaker 1: cowfield behind the house, and we had a clothesline behind
Speaker 1: the house as well, and she was out there hanging
Speaker 1: out clothes, and she said, I just went toddling, you know,
Speaker 1: like just took off, you know, through the fence and
Speaker 1: out into the field, just while she was doing her
Speaker 1: thing hanging clothes, you know, which wasn't on you. We
Speaker 1: would always walk out in the field and stuff. But
Speaker 1: she said, I was just taking off, you know, across
Speaker 1: the field. And at this time there were some I
Speaker 1: think they were keeping some donkeys in that field. Usually
Speaker 1: it was cows, but there were donkeys then and they
Speaker 1: were hanging out up near the tree line. And you know,
Speaker 1: as soon as I got maybe. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: good ways into the field. They just came just bolting
Speaker 1: down through the field like straight at me and gave
Speaker 1: my mom a heart attack, which is why she remembers this,
Speaker 1: because she thought they were going to trample me. But
Speaker 1: they just came bolting down from the tree line and
Speaker 1: turned at the last second and went around me, you know.
Speaker 1: And you know, and now I'm a little old, you know,
Speaker 1: now I'm older, and uh, you know, donkeys are you know,
Speaker 1: pretty protective and fierce really like people will put them
Speaker 1: in with horses to protect them. They're not really ones
Speaker 1: that like run from mut you know. Maybe it could
Speaker 1: have been bear or something. I don't know, but there
Speaker 1: was something up there that spooked them. And you know,
Speaker 1: why did I decide to go running up there right
Speaker 1: at that time? Like, you know, I don't have a
Speaker 1: memory of that, but you know, I just thought that
Speaker 1: was kind of odd that there were these other things
Speaker 1: like that going on at the same time. There were
Speaker 1: there were that that house was interesting, you know, it
Speaker 1: was old, and uh there was you know, other just
Speaker 1: kind of odd things that happened around that place. But
Speaker 1: but those those kind of add it to the you know,
Speaker 1: in my memory of that whole first encounter. You know,
Speaker 1: at this point, I I like, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: like sit here and say, well, I know that this
Speaker 1: happened for sure, you know, like it's all you know,
Speaker 1: such a young memory. It's very hard to say, you
Speaker 1: know exactly how true it is now that second encounter,
Speaker 1: you know, I remember that, like, I know that happened,
Speaker 1: and I and I think that that first one did
Speaker 1: as well. You know, it's you know, they say, what
Speaker 1: is it every time you remember something? You just remember
Speaker 1: what is it your last time you remembered it or
Speaker 1: something like that. It just gets more and more diluted.
Speaker 1: So so I don't know, but it made a no whatever,
Speaker 1: what if it was just a dream, it make sure
Speaker 1: made an impression on me because I you know, I
Speaker 1: told my parents about it and I still I still
Speaker 1: don't think it was a dream. I argued with them
Speaker 1: that it was a dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if it was a dream, it's pretty ironic
Speaker 2: that two incidents happened that very same year that point
Speaker 2: towards dog me in activity. What are the odds? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't dismiss that, definitely can't. I'm wondering due to
Speaker 2: the amount of time that had passed between you having
Speaker 2: that first encounter in eighty three in the time when
Speaker 2: you had the second one. I guess that was around
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. Had you stopped thinking about that first encounter
Speaker 2: before the second one happened?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean I definitely wasn't thinking about
Speaker 1: it like very often. It was more it was one
Speaker 1: kind of one of those things you know, like on
Speaker 1: you know, a family get together or something. You know,
Speaker 1: it might come up in conversation and be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that red eyed bear I saw, you know,
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, oh no, that wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: but you know, so it wasn't I guess. I guess
Speaker 1: I'd mostly stopped thinking about it by the time I
Speaker 1: had the second one. And I sure wasn't expecting to
Speaker 1: have that second one. I mean, that was just out
Speaker 1: of the blue, going from just laughing watching a movie,
Speaker 1: not a care in the world, to just thinking I
Speaker 1: was going to die like in seconds.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And of course you never expect to have
Speaker 2: a dog mean an encounter until you have it, so
Speaker 2: that's natural. Well, let's get to the questions now from
Speaker 2: the listeners in the live chat. The first one for
Speaker 2: you is from Bang Bang, and he wants to know
Speaker 2: if the ambient noise has stopped when you had that
Speaker 2: second encounter and saw that dog man out the door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I when I went out there to look around,
Speaker 1: it was it was dead quiet. And I mean it's
Speaker 1: a fairly quiet place, but you know, it's in the woods.
Speaker 1: There's always some birds and some squirrels and stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: and some bugs, some frogs and crickets and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, And it was it did. It was so
Speaker 1: quiet that it did catch my attention. Like I didn't
Speaker 1: think about it a whole lot at the time, but
Speaker 1: I did note it that it was. It was unusually quiet.
Speaker 1: It was silent out there, and which was weird with
Speaker 1: it being so nice and bright but then just totally silent.
Speaker 1: It was. It was odd.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it was. You definitely don't expect that.
Speaker 2: I've got another question from the Arcane observe or that's
Speaker 2: kind of tying into that. She wants to know some
Speaker 2: people report feeling dog men could have pure normal qualities
Speaker 2: to them. Would you say it was more like an
Speaker 2: underreported species of animal or something else.
Speaker 1: I think I'd have to say something else. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe I'd have to go sit in front of a
Speaker 1: lion or something and see if it made me feel
Speaker 1: that way to really be able to tell you. But
Speaker 1: from you know, everything in my life, you know, from
Speaker 1: from car wrecks, you know, like sliding off the road
Speaker 1: on ice, knowing I'm going to hit a tree and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not survive. Like, you know, nothing has
Speaker 1: been terrifying like that. You know that it was in
Speaker 1: its own thing, So it kind of it felt like
Speaker 1: it it felt like the fear or paralysis or whatever
Speaker 1: it was was just like emanating off for this thing. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that's just the feeling that that you
Speaker 1: get when you're in the presence of an APEX creditor,
Speaker 1: But I kind of think there's a there's something more
Speaker 1: to it, like it can emote or something. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but it did seem like it's, you know, almost like
Speaker 1: it has some kind of ability to broadcast that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's not unusual for an eyewitness to have that opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can understand why too. I've got another one for you.
Speaker 2: It is from Ann Console and Ian wants to know,
Speaker 2: after thinking about this, what do you think the creature wanted?
Speaker 1: You know, I've thought a lot about that, and I
Speaker 1: just don't know. Sometime, you know, kind of earlier on
Speaker 1: and thinking about it, I kind of thought, well, maybe
Speaker 1: it was an adolescent and it just you know, it
Speaker 1: was either just looking for a quick meal or or
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, checking out a new thing
Speaker 1: or something. You know, just maybe curious. But it was
Speaker 1: I don't know, it put off so much like animosity
Speaker 1: kind of. I just don't know. I really don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it was just putting on an act
Speaker 1: to scare me, you know it it deserves an award,
Speaker 1: you know, it deserves a uh. I don't know, because
Speaker 1: it was just it really seemed like it was just
Speaker 1: looking like it was ready to pounce and just looking
Speaker 1: for a target. Like I think if Rascal had like
Speaker 1: ran across this field of view, it would have just
Speaker 1: been through that door and had them like quicker than
Speaker 1: you could see. You know, Like it's just the the
Speaker 1: energy it was kind of putting off, like was just
Speaker 1: looking for a reason to come in kind of but
Speaker 1: they didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness for that. The next question on deck
Speaker 2: is from A. C. Kamui and AC wants to know
Speaker 2: do you think it's important for people to know they exist,
Speaker 2: even if they don't believe you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think I think they need to
Speaker 1: know that they I mean, I think we should all
Speaker 1: be be mindful of our safety, you know, whether they
Speaker 1: exist or not. But I think that we do need
Speaker 1: to know that they exist because it's so traumatic. Like
Speaker 1: I feel like for me, you know, it wasn't nearly
Speaker 1: as bad as for some of these other eyewitnesses, but
Speaker 1: you know it, I can totally it was terrifying enough
Speaker 1: that I can totally get like if you are just
Speaker 1: out with nothing between you and it and you know,
Speaker 1: or even if it just like kept coming back or whatever, like,
Speaker 1: it was just so traumatic, and I feel like we
Speaker 1: need to we need to know that that stuff like
Speaker 1: this happened so we can be more supportive for people
Speaker 1: like that because they don't need they need support not
Speaker 1: not being ridiculed or you know, having to keep it
Speaker 1: all to themselves and all that kind of thing. So
Speaker 1: I think that's why we need to acknowledge their existence.
Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned that. I've got another question here
Speaker 2: that it ties into that. Naturally. Calv wants to know
Speaker 2: did the owner has ever mentioned something out of the
Speaker 2: ordinary or say, be aware.
Speaker 1: You mean you mean like like my mom and David.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they you know, they never they said they'd
Speaker 1: never seen anything like that. You know, I did tell them,
Speaker 1: you know, because I was worried for my mom, you
Speaker 1: know and stuff. But uh, you know, but the way
Speaker 1: they are too, they're they're they're lovely people and and
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're getting up in years. They don't
Speaker 1: have the best eyesight, and you know, they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: be looking at the flowers and da da da and
Speaker 1: and I just don't know how aware of everything around
Speaker 1: them they always are. You know, they're when they're there,
Speaker 1: they usually have the music blaring and they're going deaf,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're they're like what you know, and
Speaker 1: talking to each other and uh there they would probably
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun for a dog man to
Speaker 1: watch and very easy without being seen. So yeah, they
Speaker 1: they've never seen anything. But I don't know how much
Speaker 1: that means. Now. Their dog Charlie, as he got older,
Speaker 1: I mean I guess he was losing his sight and hearing,
Speaker 1: but like the for the last like he he just
Speaker 1: passed away this year, but for the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: every time I've been there, like all night long, He's like,
Speaker 1: because he can go in and out as he pleases,
Speaker 1: he would just go running out, just barking really aggressively,
Speaker 1: you know, and they kind of thought he was just
Speaker 1: you know, going dead for something. But it, you know,
Speaker 1: it sounded like he was after something. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I thought that was a little odd, but they never
Speaker 1: saw anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does make you wonder what was behind all that.
Speaker 2: And speaking of Charlie, let's talk about Rascal. Looks like
Speaker 2: Anne Conzell wants to know if Rascal wound up being okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Rascal. I think he ended up being pretty okay.
Speaker 1: He Bobby ended up moving down the Florida and he
Speaker 1: came to live with me and he, uh, he passed
Speaker 1: away several years ago. Oh, but he he was a
Speaker 1: Bobby rescued him. She moved in a trailer park and
Speaker 1: he had been abandoned in a fenced in yard with
Speaker 1: some bigger dogs. And I think the other people there
Speaker 1: were just like feeding these dogs like dried beans or something,
Speaker 1: and like putting water in a five gallon bucket that
Speaker 1: you know, unless it was topped up to the top,
Speaker 1: he couldn't even get to the water. But he like
Speaker 1: busted out of there and like moved in with her
Speaker 1: and was was was her buddy, you know she had
Speaker 1: I think. You know, shortly after she got him, some
Speaker 1: guy tried to kiss her when she didn't want him to,
Speaker 1: and Rascal like bit the guy's face and I ran
Speaker 1: them off. You know, he was just he was all heart.
Speaker 1: He was a great dog. He was really goofy. He
Speaker 1: chas his tail and you know, be oblivious to things
Speaker 1: and and everything. So I'm really not all that surprised
Speaker 1: that he didn't see this thing. But I know if
Speaker 1: he if he had, like, I don't think he had
Speaker 1: fear in him. He thought he was the biggest, baddest thing.
Speaker 1: You know. Me, it's just this little little goofy chihwawa
Speaker 1: leg dog. I never liked those little dogs all that
Speaker 1: much til I'd met him, and I didn't. We didn't
Speaker 1: get along at first. He'd like bite my toes and everything,
Speaker 1: and uh it was kind of nippy, but but he
Speaker 1: ended up winning me over. Yeah, he came and lived
Speaker 1: with me for years after after Bobby moved away and
Speaker 1: couldn't couldn't bring him with her. You know, his eyesight
Speaker 1: and his teeth. His teeth got really bad eventually, but
Speaker 1: he was a he was friends with the cats, and
Speaker 1: he was a good little dog.
Speaker 2: Sure sounds like he was. Yeah, and yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: without saying, I'm so sorry to hear that you lost him,
Speaker 2: but it sure sounds to me like you lived a
Speaker 2: full life, that is, at least after Bobby saved him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, I think he had a rough start,
Speaker 1: but then he was pretty perpetually spoiled after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it to me. It does. Well. The
Speaker 2: next question for you is from Kim Harris, and Kim
Speaker 2: wants to know have you felt that way when you
Speaker 2: were there lately being watched?
Speaker 1: Not not really, you know, like I thought that I
Speaker 1: would be like creeped out going there after that, but
Speaker 1: I've never That's the only time I've ever gotten like
Speaker 1: some weird vibes. I mean, there's been there's been a
Speaker 1: few times when I was down there by myself that
Speaker 1: I got I guess. I guess there's been a couple
Speaker 1: of times I thought like maybe I was a little
Speaker 1: watched or something, but nothing nothing too bad. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of think that either. It just usually keeps a
Speaker 1: lot more distance or or it's just it was out
Speaker 1: of its normal uh you know, area or whatnot and
Speaker 1: just passing through or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2: He hopefully if it was in the area, it was
Speaker 2: just passing through and wasn't hoping to come back around again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that wouldn't be good if it did. Before we move
Speaker 2: on to the next question, I just want to thank
Speaker 2: Kyle for his donation. Yeah, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: your support. The next question for you is from blood VIPA,
Speaker 2: and he wants to know did you ever feel that
Speaker 2: you were in danger of it coming through the door
Speaker 2: slash window.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as soon as I was able to make out
Speaker 1: the eyes and saw them like like frantically, like manically
Speaker 1: just looking everywhere, and then realized, you know, from what
Speaker 1: I could see at the way the snout was aimed
Speaker 1: down and the eyes were so pressed up and and
Speaker 1: all that blackness. I mean, it had to have its
Speaker 1: whole body just kind of like pressed up against the
Speaker 1: the door, and that loud noise when it when it
Speaker 1: initially appeared that wham like like it. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: it wasn't trying to come through the door, but it
Speaker 1: came up with so much speed, like I almost felt
Speaker 1: like it was going to just run through the door
Speaker 1: and come in, and at the last second like changed
Speaker 1: its mind, like maybe all me sitting there, and instead
Speaker 1: it like slapped the wall on either side of the
Speaker 1: door to stop itself or you know, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just this all conjecture, but yeah, I felt like at
Speaker 1: any second, that entire like thirty seconds, that that it
Speaker 1: it was. It was making up its mind that entire
Speaker 1: time whether to come through that door, and all it
Speaker 1: needed was like one good reason, you know kind of
Speaker 1: thing is what I felt like.
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness, and vor did have a good enough
Speaker 2: reason to do that. Yeah, that wouldn't be good. The
Speaker 2: next question for you is from Michigan meat eater, and
Speaker 2: he wants to know if you have any estimate on
Speaker 2: its height and weight.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean for its shoulders to be up above
Speaker 1: its head, you know, and it's like tucking its head
Speaker 1: down and it and they were like, I got the
Speaker 1: impression it was almost like like it was scrunched down
Speaker 1: as far as it could go, and it was probably
Speaker 1: like kind of laid out with its legs its back
Speaker 1: legs like back behind it and maybe its front legs
Speaker 1: on the on either side of the door. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, but for it to like fill that space
Speaker 1: like that, I mean, I can't really see it. If
Speaker 1: it was to stand up on its hind legs, I
Speaker 1: couldn't see it being smaller than than seven or eight
Speaker 1: feet tall. And I mean at least, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: for its shoulders to be that high while it's scrunched down,
Speaker 1: and I mean, and to be so wide to totally
Speaker 1: black that window out. I mean, I mean, it's hard
Speaker 1: to say, but I would be really surprised if it
Speaker 1: was less than three or four hundred pounds, you know,
Speaker 1: and possibly much more you know. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it was big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it. If i'd a bet, yeah, I'd
Speaker 2: bet that it was much more than that as well.
Speaker 2: In wait, I would, well, ac can we thank you
Speaker 2: so much for your donation. I really appreciate it. And Kyle,
Speaker 2: thank you too, so much for your donation. It's definitely appreciated.
Speaker 2: Looks like Kyle says, you help me get through my
Speaker 2: days at work and depression. Wow, depression, that's not good.
Speaker 2: You keep me You help me keep an open mind. Well,
Speaker 2: anyway I can help, that's always a good thing. So
Speaker 2: glad to hear that this helps you. The next question
Speaker 2: is from l O, and l O wants to know, Forrest,
Speaker 2: did your dad manage to save the baby?
Speaker 1: He did, he did. He tracked, He tracked it, you know,
Speaker 1: it into the woods, and the tracks led to a
Speaker 1: like kind of a cliff face, you know, up onto
Speaker 1: a mountain, and it was too steep and too rugged
Speaker 1: for him to be able to climb up where it did.
Speaker 1: And he had to track down like a quarter mile
Speaker 1: or something like a good ways down and find another
Speaker 1: way up and come back and look for the trail.
Speaker 1: And he got up there on top and he he said,
Speaker 1: he found the diaper had been removed, like the diaper
Speaker 1: was dirty, you know, the baby had used it, and
Speaker 1: like it had pulled the diaper off it and left
Speaker 1: the diaper. So he knew he was on the right trail.
Speaker 1: And he went a little further and he could it
Speaker 1: opened up into like a clearing on top of his mountain.
Speaker 1: And he said he got like five or ten feet
Speaker 1: from the clearing, and he sat down. He knew he
Speaker 1: was close, and he sat down to watch. You know.
Speaker 1: He knew better than to just go out into the clearing,
Speaker 1: so he sat there and watched for a while, and
Speaker 1: he said something ran across the clearing in front of
Speaker 1: him so fast that all he could see was a streak,
Speaker 1: a black streak, and you know, he didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't. He wouldn't have just taken a shot, you know,
Speaker 1: knowing there's a baby involved anyway, but it was way
Speaker 1: too fast anyway, and he sat there a while and
Speaker 1: then he said he heard a single stick break like
Speaker 1: right behind him, you know, maybe twenty or thirty feet
Speaker 1: like a loud stick broke, just one and no other sound.
Speaker 1: And he, you know, he got the chills and everything
Speaker 1: is like, oh no, it's behind me, you know, and
Speaker 1: you know, and he's hunted enough. He's sitting there perfectly
Speaker 1: still and everything. But he knew it was had. So
Speaker 1: he turned around and he said the baby was laying there.
Speaker 1: It wasn't crying, it wasn't hurt, It had no scratches
Speaker 1: on it. It had been like cleaned up, and it
Speaker 1: was just laying there. And he went over and or, no,
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't cleaned up. I think it was. You know,
Speaker 1: it still had some poo on it and stuff. So
Speaker 1: he took his shirt off and he cleaned it up
Speaker 1: and wrapped it up in his jacket and brought it
Speaker 1: back to the family. And at this point the authorities
Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, the family called people and the
Speaker 1: authorities were there, and you know, they wanted to make
Speaker 1: it out like he had taken the baby in order
Speaker 1: to go save the baby or something, to be a hero,
Speaker 1: and they were, you know, being real nasty to him,
Speaker 1: and they were wanting to take the baby to like
Speaker 1: child protective services something, and he had to kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, real quick, you know, hand the baby off
Speaker 1: to the parents before the the authorities could get it.
Speaker 1: And they took the baby and went in the house
Speaker 1: and like barricaded themselves in the house. And my dad
Speaker 1: was in the Navy at this point, and you know,
Speaker 1: I guess through you know, being in good standing with
Speaker 1: the Navy and everything, he was able to clear his
Speaker 1: name or whatever. But but yeah, they got the baby back.
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness it was brought back. It sure does
Speaker 2: make you wonder what was behind all that. If that
Speaker 2: was the dog, mean that took the baby, why do that,
Speaker 2: and then why bring it back the way it was
Speaker 2: brought back in that better condition. They just do so
Speaker 2: many things that just doesn't make sense. Again, that is,
Speaker 2: if it was a dog meam that did that, might've
Speaker 2: been a sasquatch or maybe some kook in the forest.
Speaker 2: It's hard to say. We didn't see what did that,
Speaker 2: so we'll never know for sure, but it does make
Speaker 2: you wonder. Nonetheless.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the mother what had happened is she it
Speaker 4: was the baby was in an upstairs bedroom, you know,
Speaker 4: like in its room, in a.
Speaker 1: Cradle on the wall furthest from the window, and the
Speaker 1: mother like came in the door and something was reaching
Speaker 1: in the window across like the whole room and like
Speaker 1: pulling the baby out, you know, like she just saw
Speaker 1: it go out the window like as she came in
Speaker 1: kind of. So whatever it was, it had really long arms,
Speaker 1: and it was on the second floor, like it was
Speaker 1: standing on the ground, like reaching through a second story window.
Speaker 1: Really long arm, whatever it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does cut down the possibilities, doesn't it. It does.
Speaker 2: Before we move forward, I just want to put this
Speaker 2: out there. Should mark your calendars because this Tuesday, at
Speaker 2: nine pm Eastern time, I'm gonna hear a bonus episode
Speaker 2: of the show. If you've listened for any period of time,
Speaker 2: there's a good chance, you've heard a guest and eyewitness
Speaker 2: named Kim come on and talk about a female dog man,
Speaker 2: a dog woman that she's seen twice on two separate occasions,
Speaker 2: actually I think three times now, and she's named that
Speaker 2: dog woman Emperor. Well, she had another sighting recently and
Speaker 2: she's going to come on that Tuesday show, the special show,
Speaker 2: and update you on what she saw. And there is
Speaker 2: a very interesting twist to that sighting, to that encounter
Speaker 2: that you definitely want to hear about. All right, Moving on,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Brown wants to know did you have any trouble
Speaker 2: sleeping after that experience, of course talking about the second encounter.
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think so. You know, this was
Speaker 1: almost ten years ago now, so I mean the experience
Speaker 1: was so I went tense. I mean that's what my
Speaker 1: memory is of, but I don't really remember losing any
Speaker 1: sleep or having any nightmares about it. Actually just a
Speaker 1: night what was it the night after I talked to
Speaker 1: you that I had my first dog man dream where
Speaker 1: I was in a room full of them and they
Speaker 1: weren't really being aggressive, but it was scary and I
Speaker 1: had a real restless night. But other than that, I
Speaker 1: haven't really lost a whole lot of sleep about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you did have a restless night after having
Speaker 2: a dream like that. Yeah, that's not good at all.
Speaker 2: This next question is from M. J. Ashburn and they
Speaker 2: want to know about the eyeshine color. What the color
Speaker 2: was of the second one's eyes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just black. They were just black. Couldn't
Speaker 1: differentiate between a pupil and the iris or the you know,
Speaker 1: the surrounding what would normally be white. It starts with
Speaker 1: an ass, I can't remember. It was just all black. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: everything was just black. I think I could kind of
Speaker 1: see that shine like it was just kind of the
Speaker 1: same shine, like kind of a white shine like was
Speaker 1: on the snout, you know, just kind of a glisten
Speaker 1: on the wetness of the eye that I could tell
Speaker 1: that it was moving. But that was really the only
Speaker 1: thing that I could even tell that it was like
Speaker 1: looking around, was kind of that that glisten was was
Speaker 1: moving as it moved its eye. I could tell there
Speaker 1: was movement, but it was just black. Yeah, black eyes.
Speaker 2: Well, like you said when you said that all you
Speaker 2: saw was black, just the whole door was just blacked out.
Speaker 2: You weren't kidding, were you? Yeah, yeah, when I say
Speaker 2: you weren't. I've got another question for you from Kim Harris.
Speaker 2: She wants to know, are you afraid to hike in
Speaker 2: those woods now?
Speaker 1: No, but I definitely uh take it, you know, more
Speaker 1: seriously than I did before. You know, just uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know if being armed really would help or whatever,
Speaker 1: but just uh, you know, in your mind, being prepared,
Speaker 1: being aware, and and you're just making sure that you
Speaker 1: move with respect and you know, keep keep your mind
Speaker 1: right is what I kind of tell myself, you know,
Speaker 1: don't don't be a slouch and just you know, not
Speaker 1: not check your back trail or anything like that. You know,
Speaker 1: keep I feel like like maybe you can gain a
Speaker 1: little bit of a versus or at least not their
Speaker 1: disrespect if you're you know, treat the forest with respect
Speaker 1: and carry yourself more like a like a warrior or
Speaker 1: a you know, just just not a soft, you know,
Speaker 1: city human. So I just try to try to be
Speaker 1: have the right mindset.
Speaker 2: I guess, well, it definitely doesn't hurt. It's been said
Speaker 2: by people where there's one lady in particular who seem
Speaker 2: to have a pretty good relationship with a group of them,
Speaker 2: and she told me that they appreciate bravery but not
Speaker 2: being pompous at the same time. So yeah, maybe that
Speaker 2: would help by taking that mindset. It just might. And
Speaker 2: Bang Bang just donated. It made a nice donation, Bang Bang,
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. And earlier on I think I
Speaker 2: made a comment making it seems like I thought you
Speaker 2: were a man. If I did, I apologize. I saw
Speaker 2: a comment where you said you're actually a lady. So yeah, again,
Speaker 2: if I did that, I apologize, didn't mean to do that.
Speaker 2: This next question, and this is the last one for
Speaker 2: the night, is from I in conzoll And. Ian wants
Speaker 2: to know did you have a gun? Did you think
Speaker 2: to use it?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I think I think David maybe had a
Speaker 1: shotgun and somewhere in the house, but it never even
Speaker 1: crossed my mind. I mean I was so I think.
Speaker 1: I think after the fact, after it had left, you know,
Speaker 1: I was kind of like I wish I had a
Speaker 1: gun or something, you know, But in the moment, you know,
Speaker 1: there was no thought like I couldn't even stand up,
Speaker 1: like I couldn't go get a gun or anything like that.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it had me.
Speaker 3: Yes I did, and I think after the fact, I
Speaker 3: knew that it had had had me if it wanted me,
Speaker 3: you know, already, So I guess I just.
Speaker 1: Didn't really see any reason for it to come back,
Speaker 1: you know, like it could have just done whatever then
Speaker 1: and it didn't. So I just really wasn't I just
Speaker 1: didn't really feel like it was going to come back.
Speaker 2: Wells, could you realize that it could have done whatever
Speaker 2: wanted to you but it didn't. Yeah, that's the most
Speaker 2: important thing to take away. Well for us, I can't
Speaker 2: thank you enough for coming on and sharing the details
Speaker 2: of those encounters with us and answering all these questions.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thanks for having me. I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: I don't have the most definitive experience, you know, I
Speaker 1: mostly saw a black shape, you know, but you know,
Speaker 1: I just I just wanted to add my voice to
Speaker 1: everybody else's just I figure the more people who come
Speaker 1: out and tell their experience, the easier it is for
Speaker 1: the people who are really traumatized to be able to
Speaker 1: get some support and feel safe, you know, opening up
Speaker 1: the other people.
Speaker 2: Well, it's awfully nice for you to come on and
Speaker 2: do this and for you to feel that way I'm impressed.
Speaker 2: And please remember, if down the road you do start
Speaker 2: to have trouble, I'm not going anywhere I have to
Speaker 2: do with Just let me know and by all means,
Speaker 2: we'll talk. I'll find out what's troubling you and we'll
Speaker 2: take it from there.
Speaker 1: Oh. Well, that that that that's good to know for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good. It's good to have h I know there's
Speaker 1: no experts, but it's good to have someone who talks
Speaker 1: to so many people to be able to reach out
Speaker 1: to with questions and and all that.
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, that's why I'll be there for you if
Speaker 2: you ever need me. But having said that, like I said,
Speaker 2: thanks against so much for your time and hope you
Speaker 2: have a great night.
Speaker 1: Okay, you too, Vick.
Speaker 2: Thanks, we'll see you bye bye. Well that's another one
Speaker 2: in the books. Thanks again, as always so much for listening.
Speaker 2: You know I appreciate it. And please keep in mind
Speaker 2: if you've had an encounter of your own or encounters plural,
Speaker 2: if you want to speak with me about it in private,
Speaker 2: or if you want to come on the show and
Speaker 2: do you like Forrest did and all the other guests
Speaker 2: have and put it out there for the listeners, all
Speaker 2: you need to do is to go to Dogmanencounters dot
Speaker 2: com submit a report, and if you do that, if
Speaker 2: you fully complete the report, then I'll be more than
Speaker 2: happy to contact you and schedule a lengthy phone conversation
Speaker 2: with you to find out what happened to you and
Speaker 2: we'll just take it from there. But having said that,
Speaker 2: thanks against so much everyone for listening and hope you
Speaker 2: have a great night an even better weekend.
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