WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:28.879 At a book. 2 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:30.159 Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for another 3 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:34.920 livestream episode of Dogman Encounters Radio. Is quite a few 4 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:38.159 of you know. I put it out there that tonight's 5 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:41.920 guest would be the eyewitness who unfortunately had a very 6 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:45.439 traumatic encounter five years ago, or about five years ago, 7 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:51.200 i'd say, where the dog Man did something that well, 8 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:56.439 I'll just say it traumatized him considerably. He describes that 9 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:01.319 encounter as torturing him, leaving him to to present day. 10 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:04.439 He's doing much better now after we had a chance 11 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:09.039 to have a good conversation about it. But nonetheless, unfortunately, 12 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.479 earlier today he reached out to me to let me 13 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:14.759 know that he had to be admitted to the hospital. 14 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:18.120 So due to that, he's not going to be able 15 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:20.960 to come on tonight's show. Of course, you have to 16 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.759 have your priorities straight. We just hope he's doing well 17 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.639 and it's going to bounce back to good health. When 18 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.599 I spoke with him last earlier, it seemed like he 19 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:34.039 was doing better, but he wasn't putting out the numbers 20 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:37.039 that the hospital staff wanted to see from him before 21 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:39.840 they're going to be allowing him to go home. So, 22 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:44.080 like I said, prayers are definitely going out there. Well, 23 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:46.199 when I found out that he wasn't going to be 24 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:48.919 able to come on Tonight's show, I reached out to 25 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:55.000 another eyewitness, Tonight's eyewitness, Forrest, who had two encounters, one 26 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:58.960 in eighty three and his most recent one in twenty fifteen, 27 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.080 to ask him if he'd be available to come on 28 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:06.159 and step into Matt's place for Tonight's live stream, And 29 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:09.919 luckily he said yes, he agreed to do it, and 30 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.919 the rest is history. So without any further Ado, let's 31 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:17.439 bring him in here now. Forest, thanks so much for 32 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:18.120 joining us. 33 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:20.680 Hey, Viig, thanks for having me. 34 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.879 Oh no, you're welcome. Like I said, on such short notice, 35 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.719 especially really appreciate you doing this because obviously you didn't 36 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:29.120 have to. 37 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:30.520 Forest. 38 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:33.120 Please give us a brief bio in yourself. 39 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:41.039 Well, I grew up in Green Valley, a small community 40 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:48.759 outside of Boone, North Carolina. I'm real rural dirt roads everywhere, 41 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:56.439 lots of calfields, tobacco farms, and just mountains and woods everywhere. 42 00:03:56.719 --> 00:04:02.960 Real beautiful place. Ridge Parkway is not far from there. 43 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:10.639 Just beautiful place to grow up. I you know, played 44 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:14.479 in the woods with my friends, stick fighting, building, forts 45 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:19.480 all that kind of stuff, and you know, grew up 46 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:24.600 like being outside so much. I decided to do construction 47 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:37.560 type work, mostly painting, carpentry, woodworking, all sorts. My twenties, 48 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.279 I decided the town was getting kind of small, and 49 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.040 then we decided to go get on a sailboat and 50 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:47.680 went up and down the coast a couple of times, 51 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:55.639 crewing for a old World War two VET decided I 52 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:59.560 wanted my own boat and lived in Charleston for a 53 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:02.879 while trying to make that happen. And you know, I've 54 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:08.279 just kind of moved around since then, been out west, 55 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:16.439 lived in Seattle for a while, came back, lived over 56 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:22.560 in Deep Gap around Boone, And yeah, I just worked 57 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:25.120 as a carpenter a lot, worked as a painter a 58 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:30.199 good bit, and kept up with a lot of my 59 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:34.519 friends from high school and the like. And uh just 60 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:37.399 been real lucky to have good teachers and good friends 61 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:41.839 through my life. And here I am. I'm now in 62 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:49.759 Wilmington painting and doing carpentry and still still have a 63 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:54.560 boat I'm trying to fix. I think I a little 64 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:57.800 naive and the amount of money and everything it takes 65 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.399 to to take an old boat and it up to 66 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.800 modern standards and and all that, but I'm still working 67 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:10.720 at it. I met a lovely lady in Australia and 68 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:15.079 I married her, and hoping to get back over there 69 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:20.360 to see her soon. And uh yeah, just just working 70 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:23.279 and uh I get out in my kayak a good 71 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:27.839 bit and uh explore the creeks and stuff around here, 72 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:40.560 and uh work. Uh yeah, I don't really know. Not 73 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:45.160 a whole lot more to me, I guess. Uh done 74 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:48.519 a little martial arts, and uh, you know, I'm just 75 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:54.000 always interested in learning new skills and uh, furthering my 76 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:59.240 knowledge of the world and the way it works. You know. 77 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:01.160 Every time I think I got it figured out, you know, 78 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:03.920 it's something else to it. So you know, it keeps 79 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:05.759 it interesting. Don't get bored. 80 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:12.360 And yeah, you know, life is a funny way of 81 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:16.079 doing that. And holy cow, you're quite a bit younger 82 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:18.360 than I am, and you've lived about what three four 83 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:22.959 of the lifetimes I have. You've done a lot of things. 84 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:26.199 I guess, so yeah, about any time I get comfortable 85 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.120 doing one thing, it seems like either I get bored 86 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:32.399 and decide to do something else, or life just moves 87 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:35.560 along and takes me somewhere else. And throws me into 88 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:36.439 a whole different things. 89 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:41.319 Yeah, has a funny way of doing that, that's for sure. Forrest, 90 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:43.199 you were just three years old when you had your 91 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.240 first encounter, and due to your age, that's made it 92 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:48.759 difficult for you to recall some of the details from 93 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.920 that experience. Do you consider that to be a good 94 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:53.439 thing or a bad thing? 95 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.439 Well, I mean, I would sure like to know, you know, 96 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:02.920 how you know exactly what happened. You know, I have 97 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:06.560 my memory of it, but you know, I was so 98 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:09.720 young that, you know, I don't know how much of 99 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:14.839 that memory is what I've told myself and how much 100 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:20.360 of it's what I actually saw. You know, that's real 101 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:24.920 hard to say. So I would like to have a 102 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:27.600 clear memory of it. But probably it was probably a 103 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:30.120 good thing. You know that I was young enough that 104 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:35.000 it you know, it didn't didn't keep me out of 105 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.360 the woods or anything like that, you know, growing up. 106 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:40.240 Well, from listening to you talk about all the things 107 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:42.759 you've done, it definitely sounds like it hasn't hindered you. 108 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:46.320 I mean, you're a go getter. You've gotten some things done, 109 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.840 you sure have. And of course there are going to 110 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:52.159 be people out there who pooh pooh, the idea that 111 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:56.000 someone when they're three can grow into adulthood and remember 112 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:59.799 anything from any experiences they had back then. But the 113 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.200 line's funny. The way the mind works is for most 114 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.639 people we suffer from something called childhood amnesia, where you 115 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:11.080 don't remember things from back when you're two when you're three, 116 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:16.279 unless it's really a really profound experience. But for some 117 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:19.840 people that's not the case. Some people can recall things 118 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:22.240 that happened to them back when they were that young. 119 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:24.799 In fact, any time we are an episode where someone 120 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:27.120 talks about having an encounter back then when they were 121 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.720 three years old, for example, you've got all these people 122 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:32.679 who come forward and say that's impossible. Well, you've got 123 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:36.000 several people coming forward talking about how they can remember 124 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:38.559 things that happened to them back when they were three. 125 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.759 That's a testament to the fact that some people don't 126 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:45.159 suffer from childhood amnesia. So I just want to put 127 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:50.759 that out there. I'm wondering, your dad was with you 128 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:53.320 the day that you had that first encounter. What can 129 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:55.559 you tell us about him before we go any further. 130 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:02.000 Well, I mean, if I lived three or four lifetimes 131 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:04.759 in my years, i'd say, my dad probably would have 132 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:09.559 lived twenty in the same amount of time. He just 133 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:14.159 he's one of those people that just draws, you know, 134 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:19.639 just fantastic events, you know, just strange things, wonderful things, 135 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:26.120 horrible things. Just seems like throughout his life he's been 136 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:31.120 like that. And he grew up in upstate New York, 137 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:35.279 way out in the woods. I think the nearest neighbor 138 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:41.919 was five miles away, and he uh, you know, so 139 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:47.840 he's uh, he's always been a woodsman and hunter, and 140 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:58.320 it's a brilliant guy, real good mechanic. And he served 141 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:03.559 some time in the Navy and fixed up a lot 142 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:08.159 of hot rods over the years and raced about anything 143 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:15.360 other than planes that you can raise. Because he's colorblind. 144 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:17.519 He wanted to get into he wanted to be a pilot, 145 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:22.559 but he's colorblind, so he couldn't do that. But he's 146 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:25.080 quite the character. I was trying to talk to him 147 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:26.759 into coming on here. I don't know, I don't know 148 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:27.559 if I can or not. 149 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:31.639 Well, thanks for trying to get him to come on. 150 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:37.159 Yeah, he gave me permission to mention some of his 151 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:41.919 stuff that's happened to him, you know, rocks getting thrown 152 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:49.320 into campsites and there was actually a baby that got 153 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:53.000 taken that he tracked down. I think it was a 154 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:56.519 dog man. The left dog prints and it moved so 155 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.679 quick all he could see was a black streak. So 156 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.639 huh yeah, so yeah, does. 157 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:09.759 Make you wonder just might have been. And Dan Paul, 158 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:12.559 thank you so much for the donation. I appreciate it. 159 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:18.600 All right, Forrest, please tell us about your encounters. Now, 160 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:20.759 give us every last detail that comes to mind. 161 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:28.919 Okay, So back in eighty three when I was three, 162 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:31.639 you know, my parents still remember I told them that 163 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:37.120 I saw a giant bear with red eyes, which you know, 164 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:39.519 I didn't know anything about dog man. I just knew 165 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:42.320 bears were really big and could stand up on their 166 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:48.279 hind legs. And they told me that it was a dream, 167 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:52.039 you know, because they had no memory of it. But 168 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:55.600 the way it happened, you know, they wouldn't have seen anything. 169 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:59.799 So I don't I don't let that convince I never 170 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:01.720 did had let them convince me that it was just 171 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:05.159 a dream. I always thought it was something that really happened. 172 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:10.720 So what it was was, you know, my dad and 173 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:13.279 I were on a hike up in the woods around 174 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:22.759 the house. The house was a old farmhouse sitting kind 175 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.279 of on the edge of a big cow field. And 176 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.080 then behind the house where the cowfield was, it was 177 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.559 probably one hundred yards out to the tree line, and 178 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:38.679 the field went on down the mountain, and then the 179 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:41.039 road ran right in front of the house, a little 180 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:45.639 gravel road, and then there was just a mountain just 181 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:51.120 of woods on the other side of the road, and 182 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:53.799 I think on the top of that mountain there's a 183 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:56.480 field that it hardly ever went all the way up there. 184 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:02.159 It was a pretty big mountain. And anyway, we were 185 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:04.240 up on that mountain on the other side of the 186 00:14:04.320 --> 00:14:10.919 road from what I remember, and uh, you know, my 187 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:12.840 dad and I we were, you know, we were always 188 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:16.519 real playful, and uh you know, he he liked to, 189 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.279 uh you know, kind of hide behind a little bush 190 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:22.799 where you know, it really wasn't hiding him at all, 191 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.159 you know, but he could be so still that you 192 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:28.000 wouldn't see him, and you know, and he kind of, 193 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:31.080 you know, scare you a little bit, and uh you know, 194 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:33.000 and I of course tried to do the same thing 195 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:37.960 back to him every chance I got. So I just 196 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:40.960 remember we were on this hike and I heard this 197 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.639 rustling back behind a thicket, a little thicket of bushes, 198 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:50.960 and I was like, oh, you know, I've got him now, 199 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.399 you know, like I heard him, you know, getting in 200 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:56.399 a position I'm gonna like instead of going on around 201 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:59.879 to the left side, like I was, kind of seems 202 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:01.879 like I was, you know, kind of walking up the 203 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:03.600 hill and this I think it would have been off 204 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:08.679 to the right. So rather than going up and kind 205 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:10.759 of coming around the left side of the thicket, I 206 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:14.840 turned and went to the right and came around the 207 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:20.240 other way. And you know, I'm all ready is to 208 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:25.000 you know, go boo or whatever, and uh, I come 209 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:29.480 around and I just remember, you know, looking where I 210 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:33.039 thought my dad would be, and it was just this 211 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.720 just I just kept looking up, you know, I mean, 212 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:40.919 little three year old me. I mean I must have looked, 213 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.399 you know, ten twelve feet tall, just like looking way up, 214 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:54.320 and it was this this brown creature. You know, it 215 00:15:54.399 --> 00:16:00.600 had a it had a long snout. I can't remember 216 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:07.240 if the ears were pointed or around it. You know, 217 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.879 I I really see a wolf's face now, but you 218 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:14.840 know it's hard for me to say, you know clearly, 219 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:24.000 but yeah, I just remember it was so tall and 220 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:29.879 then the thing about it that really just just really 221 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:34.320 caught my attention was its eyes where there's burning red 222 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:39.480 like like emanating light, like not like eyeshine or anything 223 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:43.840 like that. You know, this was during the day, but 224 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:47.279 it was it was almost like tail lights, like is 225 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:51.240 the way I remember it, Just you know, just really 226 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:57.799 bright red eyes and a real stern expression and just 227 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:01.159 you know, it kind of emanated this like it manned respect. 228 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:05.599 Like it was like like allowing me, you know, I 229 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:11.640 guess in my childish innocence to like observe it, but 230 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:14.000 it demands, you know, like it was letting me know 231 00:17:14.119 --> 00:17:17.680 that it was very serious, you know, like I couldn't 232 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:21.119 I couldn't just fool around. I had to focus on 233 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:24.640 it and whatever it wanted. Kind of it is just 234 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:26.599 kind of the sense I got. And this as I 235 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:32.160 looked up at it and about you know, it was 236 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:37.000 just kind of all in a second and and we 237 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:43.119 me and it heard my my actual dad coming around 238 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:47.799 the bushes from the other side, like the way I 239 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:51.880 would have gone originally, like maybe he'd come back down 240 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:58.759 to check on me, and uh it like you know, 241 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:02.079 people talk about these things being telepathic, and that was 242 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:03.799 kind of what it was like. It was like it 243 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:06.400 just kind of I don't even know if it moved 244 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:09.519 its eyes, but it it just I got the sense 245 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:13.759 from it that it wanted me to go back the 246 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:17.680 way I had come real quick and get my dad's attention, 247 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.799 because it did not want to be caught between us 248 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:26.039 and forced into like a confrontation, you know, between him 249 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:29.400 and his son. You know, I just it didn't want that, 250 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:32.680 you know, and so so you know I did. I 251 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:37.680 just scampered back around and and uh, you know, got 252 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:42.079 my dad's attention, and you know, that's really the the 253 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:45.880 memory I have. You know, I don't really remember much 254 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:48.359 more about the hike or anything like that. You know, 255 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:52.000 it's such an early memory, you know, one of my 256 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:58.559 earliest that Yeah, it's kind of unclear, but I I 257 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:02.279 do remember trying to my parents, like probably I think 258 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:07.160 it was later that day or you know, and on 259 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:09.359 into the next couple of days. I think I did 260 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:12.160 it more than once. I brought it up and talked 261 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:17.000 about the big bear with the the red eyes. But 262 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:20.440 I think I just didn't have the vocabulary, you know, 263 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:22.799 I just the bear was the only thing I could 264 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:26.400 think of that that that could possibly be, you know, 265 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:34.039 at the time. But it stood real still the whole time, 266 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:39.640 on two legs. It was totally standing upright. It looked 267 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:43.720 kind of thin, you know, it wasn't like like bulky. 268 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.240 From what I remember. I remember it being really tall 269 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:51.319 and lean kind of and just mostly I was focused 270 00:19:51.359 --> 00:20:02.880 on its face and and those those eyes, you know. Yeah, yeah, 271 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:07.119 I mean, I've always been real comfortable in the woods, 272 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:09.960 you know, like when I was little, I'd just could 273 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:13.720 find a little clump of tall grass out in the 274 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:15.680 woods and just go curl up in it like a 275 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:19.039 fawn or something. You know, Like I was just always 276 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:23.799 real comfortable in the woods and stuff. And this event 277 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:27.880 didn't really ever, like, even as it was happening, I 278 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:32.000 don't think I even got scared, really, you know. I 279 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:35.680 was just so fascinated, is how I remember it. You know, 280 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:41.119 I was just all eyes looking at this thing. And yeah, 281 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:48.799 so that was the first encounter. Let's see. I go 282 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.480 on too later in life, after I was grown up, 283 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:59.920 in my early thirties, I had crewed on the boat 284 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:04.200 this point, going up to you know, i'd lived in Charleston, 285 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:09.759 lived in Winston, Salem, going out to Seattle come back, 286 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:18.000 I was well, she was she was actually my fiancee 287 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.000 this with this uh you know, I was with this 288 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:26.960 girl Bobby, who I'd known since high school. She was 289 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:32.240 actually the the video you know, back when we had 290 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:35.240 Primetime video. It was kind of like Blockbuster, you know, 291 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:38.720 you go rent your movies and video games and stuff, 292 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:42.279 and she was the checkout girl. And she was real cute. 293 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:45.720 So I'd always flirt with her and stuff. But ended up, 294 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:49.599 you know, we got together and uh, we were living 295 00:21:49.640 --> 00:21:56.200 together and uh, you know, like life was pretty stressful 296 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:58.799 at this point. Like she had a lot going on. 297 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:05.359 I had a lot going on. And my mom and 298 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:13.359 her husband, they live in a little cabin. It's down 299 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:19.400 in the woods basically to me. It really close to 300 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:24.480 the Parkway and there's just a little short paved road 301 00:22:24.599 --> 00:22:27.319 that comes off, you know, one of these state roads, 302 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:31.240 and you turn off of that onto a gravel road 303 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.799 and go buy a couple of houses that are right 304 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:38.759 near the turn off there, and then you go on 305 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:46.640 down and there's like a corn vegetable garden and a 306 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:49.599 you know, a barn and stuff. And then you go 307 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.240 on down further and the driveway get starts getting kind 308 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:54.279 of bad. It washes out and stuff because it gets 309 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:58.480 so steep, so it's probably you know, from the last 310 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:01.920 couple of houses, it's another quarter mile on down this 311 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:05.519 real steep driveway that just goes right through the woods, 312 00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:07.720 you know. I mean the trees touch each other going 313 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.440 over it, and it gets real dark, you know, just 314 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:13.599 because of all the trees, and you go on down 315 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:16.160 and then it kind of opens up, like right where 316 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.759 the cabin is, there's a little creek that runs down 317 00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:26.880 through there, and you know where you part the cars, 318 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:29.519 it's opened up enough to let some light in and 319 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:33.519 it's cleared maybe fifty feet back from the cabin all 320 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:38.200 the way around, and there's lots of pine trees. But 321 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:41.519 it's a pretty you know, it's a pretty small little valley. 322 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:44.839 You know, it's just two mountains coming down and a 323 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:47.039 little bit of flat at the bottom, but not very 324 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:50.759 much at all, so you're you know, you're you're down 325 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:53.680 in kind of a hole there. It stays kind of damp, 326 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:59.480 and but it's a real beautiful place. It's quiet. I 327 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:04.839 think there's the Christmas Tree farm upstream where if you 328 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:07.680 look out through the woods sometimes you know, during the winter, 329 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:10.519 you can see a couple of the Christmas trees and 330 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:15.880 then down down the creek. If you walk maybe a 331 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:19.920 quarter or half probably a half mile down, you can 332 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:24.200 get to another Christmas tree farm. But right there it's 333 00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:28.039 just all woods. And if you you know, you could 334 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:32.279 walk back up the driveway and be back up. You know, 335 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:34.599 we're around some houses and stuff. But if you walk 336 00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:38.799 behind the cabin, I think it's about a mile you 337 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:40.920 could walk just through the woods and then you run 338 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:49.119 into the parkway. So it's it's real remote and uh quiet, peaceful. 339 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.799 But they, you know, they still go and do all, 340 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.359 you know, go camping and visiting people and all that. 341 00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:02.240 So you know, they would ask me to either, you know, 342 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:05.759 come feed the chickens and you know the cats the dogs, 343 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:10.400 you know, at different periods. At this time, it seems 344 00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:13.519 like they didn't have they had they had had chickens, 345 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:19.519 but they lost them to something, and so I really 346 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.680 don't know that they really had I think they took 347 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:30.319 the dog with them, Charlie, and the chickens weren't there. 348 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:32.599 There might have been some cats to feed, but I 349 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:35.480 think more or less they were just like, we're going 350 00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:38.519 to be out of town. You know, you're welcome to 351 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:42.000 come stay at the cabin if you want, so Bobby 352 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:46.599 and I were just like, okay, sure, you know, because 353 00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:49.960 it's just they They've done a really nice job with 354 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:55.880 the place. David's a carpenter and he'd always I guess 355 00:25:55.920 --> 00:26:00.519 he'd saved a bunch of building material, so he used 356 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:05.440 recycled building materials to build this cabin. I think the 357 00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:07.920 root of the cabin was like a really old cabin 358 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:10.880 that had been moved there, and then he added on 359 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:16.839 to it. He made this really nice screened import and yeah, 360 00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:22.640 and they're into Buddhism and zen. My mom's a yoga 361 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:27.759 teacher and does massage and all that kind of stuff, 362 00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:29.799 and you know, so they just really had turned it 363 00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:33.000 into a really nice little kind of meditation place and 364 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:37.799 it was really relaxing. So Bobby and I were really 365 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:41.920 excited to get over there and just chill out and 366 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:44.920 kind of, you know, get away from everything for a 367 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:49.640 couple of days. So that's what we were doing. And 368 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:51.920 you know, it was a beautiful day, and I'm sure 369 00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:53.480 if my mom had been there, she would have been 370 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:55.480 yelling at me to go outside and go for a hike, 371 00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:58.960 because that's what she always does. Like her and David 372 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:04.079 both are always out in the woods, like she goes 373 00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:06.960 on long hikes every day. David gets up at like 374 00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:10.599 four thirty in the morning and runs year round, doesn't 375 00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:13.759 matter if it's snow or or what. He's out there running. 376 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:17.079 So I'm sure she would have been yelling at me 377 00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:20.200 to get out and go go hike or do something 378 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:26.279 outside like she'd always done when I grew up. But uh, 379 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:31.440 but she wasn't there. And Bobby and I like like 380 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.519 watching movies, so we, uh, we were just watching a 381 00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:37.400 movie in the middle of the day. You know. I 382 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:39.960 think it was like a Saturday or something, you know, 383 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:46.839 and uh, it was a bright summer day. I don't 384 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:48.920 think there were many clouds in the sky or anything. 385 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.279 I don't remember. The sun was beating down and you know, 386 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.319 we had all the doors open, and it was just 387 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:01.000 a really nice day, and we found some cool movie 388 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.119 to watch and we were just sitting there. You know. 389 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:09.559 I think I had a drink or two and watching 390 00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:13.799 this action movie, and uh, I think I think we 391 00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:15.680 were just kind of sitting there, you know, making fun 392 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.960 of some of the corny lines and stuff in the 393 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:23.440 movie and laughing, having a good time. And uh, you know, 394 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:26.079 in the midst of this, just all of a sudden 395 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:32.319 just wam like this this this wow bang, you know, 396 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:37.440 just made both of us jump, and you know, I 397 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:43.440 so all right, I'm getting had so So I guess 398 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:46.039 the layout of the cabin. You know, it's a little cabin. 399 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:48.960 So most of the stuff is in one central room. 400 00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.240 There is a bedroom built off one side to the 401 00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:56.799