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Speaker 1: At a book.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for another

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livestream episode of Dogman Encounters Radio. Is quite a few

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of you know. I put it out there that tonight's

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guest would be the eyewitness who unfortunately had a very

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traumatic encounter five years ago, or about five years ago,

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i'd say, where the dog Man did something that well,

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I'll just say it traumatized him considerably. He describes that

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encounter as torturing him, leaving him to to present day.

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He's doing much better now after we had a chance

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to have a good conversation about it. But nonetheless, unfortunately,

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earlier today he reached out to me to let me

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know that he had to be admitted to the hospital.

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So due to that, he's not going to be able

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to come on tonight's show. Of course, you have to

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have your priorities straight. We just hope he's doing well

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and it's going to bounce back to good health. When

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I spoke with him last earlier, it seemed like he

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was doing better, but he wasn't putting out the numbers

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that the hospital staff wanted to see from him before

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they're going to be allowing him to go home. So,

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like I said, prayers are definitely going out there. Well,

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when I found out that he wasn't going to be

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able to come on Tonight's show, I reached out to

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another eyewitness, Tonight's eyewitness, Forrest, who had two encounters, one

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in eighty three and his most recent one in twenty fifteen,

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to ask him if he'd be available to come on

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and step into Matt's place for Tonight's live stream, And

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luckily he said yes, he agreed to do it, and

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the rest is history. So without any further Ado, let's

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bring him in here now. Forest, thanks so much for

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joining us.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Viig, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, you're welcome. Like I said, on such short notice,

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especially really appreciate you doing this because obviously you didn't

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have to.

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Speaker 1: Forest.

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Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I grew up in Green Valley, a small community

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outside of Boone, North Carolina. I'm real rural dirt roads everywhere,

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lots of calfields, tobacco farms, and just mountains and woods everywhere.

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Real beautiful place. Ridge Parkway is not far from there.

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Just beautiful place to grow up. I you know, played

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in the woods with my friends, stick fighting, building, forts

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all that kind of stuff, and you know, grew up

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like being outside so much. I decided to do construction

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type work, mostly painting, carpentry, woodworking, all sorts. My twenties,

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I decided the town was getting kind of small, and

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then we decided to go get on a sailboat and

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went up and down the coast a couple of times,

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crewing for a old World War two VET decided I

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wanted my own boat and lived in Charleston for a

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while trying to make that happen. And you know, I've

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just kind of moved around since then, been out west,

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lived in Seattle for a while, came back, lived over

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in Deep Gap around Boone, And yeah, I just worked

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as a carpenter a lot, worked as a painter a

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good bit, and kept up with a lot of my

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friends from high school and the like. And uh just

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been real lucky to have good teachers and good friends

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through my life. And here I am. I'm now in

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Wilmington painting and doing carpentry and still still have a

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boat I'm trying to fix. I think I a little

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naive and the amount of money and everything it takes

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to to take an old boat and it up to

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modern standards and and all that, but I'm still working

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at it. I met a lovely lady in Australia and

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I married her, and hoping to get back over there

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to see her soon. And uh yeah, just just working

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and uh I get out in my kayak a good

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bit and uh explore the creeks and stuff around here,

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and uh work. Uh yeah, I don't really know. Not

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a whole lot more to me, I guess. Uh done

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a little martial arts, and uh, you know, I'm just

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always interested in learning new skills and uh, furthering my

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knowledge of the world and the way it works. You know.

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Every time I think I got it figured out, you know,

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it's something else to it. So you know, it keeps

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it interesting. Don't get bored.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, life is a funny way of

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doing that. And holy cow, you're quite a bit younger

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than I am, and you've lived about what three four

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of the lifetimes I have. You've done a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: I guess, so yeah, about any time I get comfortable

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doing one thing, it seems like either I get bored

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and decide to do something else, or life just moves

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along and takes me somewhere else. And throws me into

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a whole different things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, has a funny way of doing that, that's for sure. Forrest,

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you were just three years old when you had your

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first encounter, and due to your age, that's made it

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difficult for you to recall some of the details from

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that experience. Do you consider that to be a good

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thing or a bad thing?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I would sure like to know, you know,

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how you know exactly what happened. You know, I have

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my memory of it, but you know, I was so

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young that, you know, I don't know how much of

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that memory is what I've told myself and how much

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of it's what I actually saw. You know, that's real

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hard to say. So I would like to have a

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clear memory of it. But probably it was probably a

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good thing. You know that I was young enough that

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it you know, it didn't didn't keep me out of

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the woods or anything like that, you know, growing up.

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Speaker 2: Well, from listening to you talk about all the things

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you've done, it definitely sounds like it hasn't hindered you.

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I mean, you're a go getter. You've gotten some things done,

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you sure have. And of course there are going to

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be people out there who pooh pooh, the idea that

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someone when they're three can grow into adulthood and remember

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anything from any experiences they had back then. But the

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line's funny. The way the mind works is for most

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people we suffer from something called childhood amnesia, where you

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don't remember things from back when you're two when you're three,

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unless it's really a really profound experience. But for some

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people that's not the case. Some people can recall things

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that happened to them back when they were that young.

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In fact, any time we are an episode where someone

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talks about having an encounter back then when they were

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three years old, for example, you've got all these people

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who come forward and say that's impossible. Well, you've got

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several people coming forward talking about how they can remember

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things that happened to them back when they were three.

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That's a testament to the fact that some people don't

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suffer from childhood amnesia. So I just want to put

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that out there. I'm wondering, your dad was with you

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the day that you had that first encounter. What can

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you tell us about him before we go any further.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if I lived three or four lifetimes

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in my years, i'd say, my dad probably would have

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lived twenty in the same amount of time. He just

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he's one of those people that just draws, you know,

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just fantastic events, you know, just strange things, wonderful things,

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horrible things. Just seems like throughout his life he's been

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like that. And he grew up in upstate New York,

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way out in the woods. I think the nearest neighbor

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was five miles away, and he uh, you know, so

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he's uh, he's always been a woodsman and hunter, and

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it's a brilliant guy, real good mechanic. And he served

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some time in the Navy and fixed up a lot

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of hot rods over the years and raced about anything

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other than planes that you can raise. Because he's colorblind.

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but he's colorblind, so he couldn't do that. But he's

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quite the character. I was trying to talk to him

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into coming on here. I don't know, I don't know

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if I can or not.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for trying to get him to come on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he gave me permission to mention some of his

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stuff that's happened to him, you know, rocks getting thrown

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into campsites and there was actually a baby that got

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taken that he tracked down. I think it was a

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dog man. The left dog prints and it moved so

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quick all he could see was a black streak. So

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huh yeah, so yeah, does.

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Speaker 2: Make you wonder just might have been. And Dan Paul,

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thank you so much for the donation. I appreciate it.

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All right, Forrest, please tell us about your encounters. Now,

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give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So back in eighty three when I was three,

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you know, my parents still remember I told them that

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I saw a giant bear with red eyes, which you know,

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I didn't know anything about dog man. I just knew

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bears were really big and could stand up on their

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hind legs. And they told me that it was a dream,

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you know, because they had no memory of it. But

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the way it happened, you know, they wouldn't have seen anything.

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did had let them convince me that it was just

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a dream. I always thought it was something that really happened.

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So what it was was, you know, my dad and

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I were on a hike up in the woods around

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the house. The house was a old farmhouse sitting kind

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of on the edge of a big cow field. And

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then behind the house where the cowfield was, it was

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probably one hundred yards out to the tree line, and

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the field went on down the mountain, and then the

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road ran right in front of the house, a little

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gravel road, and then there was just a mountain just

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of woods on the other side of the road, and

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field that it hardly ever went all the way up there.

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up on that mountain on the other side of the

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road from what I remember, and uh, you know, my

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dad and I we were, you know, we were always

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real playful, and uh you know, he he liked to,

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uh you know, kind of hide behind a little bush

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where you know, it really wasn't hiding him at all,

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you know, but he could be so still that you

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wouldn't see him, and you know, and he kind of,

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you know, scare you a little bit, and uh you know,

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and I of course tried to do the same thing

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back to him every chance I got. So I just

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remember we were on this hike and I heard this

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rustling back behind a thicket, a little thicket of bushes,

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and I was like, oh, you know, I've got him now,

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you know, like I heard him, you know, getting in

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a position I'm gonna like instead of going on around

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to the left side, like I was, kind of seems

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like I was, you know, kind of walking up the

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hill and this I think it would have been off

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to the right. So rather than going up and kind

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of coming around the left side of the thicket, I

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turned and went to the right and came around the

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other way. And you know, I'm all ready is to

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you know, go boo or whatever, and uh, I come

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around and I just remember, you know, looking where I

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thought my dad would be, and it was just this

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just I just kept looking up, you know, I mean,

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little three year old me. I mean I must have looked,

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you know, ten twelve feet tall, just like looking way up,

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and it was this this brown creature. You know, it

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had a it had a long snout. I can't remember

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if the ears were pointed or around it. You know,

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I I really see a wolf's face now, but you

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know it's hard for me to say, you know clearly,

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but yeah, I just remember it was so tall and

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then the thing about it that really just just really

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caught my attention was its eyes where there's burning red

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like like emanating light, like not like eyeshine or anything

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like that. You know, this was during the day, but

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it was it was almost like tail lights, like is

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the way I remember it, Just you know, just really

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bright red eyes and a real stern expression and just

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you know, it kind of emanated this like it manned respect.

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Like it was like like allowing me, you know, I

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guess in my childish innocence to like observe it, but

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it demands, you know, like it was letting me know

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that it was very serious, you know, like I couldn't

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I couldn't just fool around. I had to focus on

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it and whatever it wanted. Kind of it is just

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kind of the sense I got. And this as I

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looked up at it and about you know, it was

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just kind of all in a second and and we

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me and it heard my my actual dad coming around

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the bushes from the other side, like the way I

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would have gone originally, like maybe he'd come back down

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to check on me, and uh it like you know,

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people talk about these things being telepathic, and that was

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kind of what it was like. It was like it

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just kind of I don't even know if it moved

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its eyes, but it it just I got the sense

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from it that it wanted me to go back the

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way I had come real quick and get my dad's attention,

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because it did not want to be caught between us

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and forced into like a confrontation, you know, between him

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and his son. You know, I just it didn't want that,

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you know, and so so you know I did. I

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just scampered back around and and uh, you know, got

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my dad's attention, and you know, that's really the the

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memory I have. You know, I don't really remember much

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more about the hike or anything like that. You know,

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it's such an early memory, you know, one of my

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earliest that Yeah, it's kind of unclear, but I I

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do remember trying to my parents, like probably I think

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it was later that day or you know, and on

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into the next couple of days. I think I did

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it more than once. I brought it up and talked

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about the big bear with the the red eyes. But

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I think I just didn't have the vocabulary, you know,

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I just the bear was the only thing I could

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think of that that that could possibly be, you know,

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at the time. But it stood real still the whole time,

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on two legs. It was totally standing upright. It looked

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kind of thin, you know, it wasn't like like bulky.

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From what I remember. I remember it being really tall

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and lean kind of and just mostly I was focused

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on its face and and those those eyes, you know. Yeah, yeah,

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I mean, I've always been real comfortable in the woods,

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you know, like when I was little, I'd just could

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find a little clump of tall grass out in the

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woods and just go curl up in it like a

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fawn or something. You know, Like I was just always

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real comfortable in the woods and stuff. And this event

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didn't really ever, like, even as it was happening, I

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don't think I even got scared, really, you know. I

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was just so fascinated, is how I remember it. You know,

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I was just all eyes looking at this thing. And yeah,

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so that was the first encounter. Let's see. I go

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on too later in life, after I was grown up,

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in my early thirties, I had crewed on the boat

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this point, going up to you know, i'd lived in Charleston,

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lived in Winston, Salem, going out to Seattle come back,

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I was well, she was she was actually my fiancee

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this with this uh you know, I was with this

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girl Bobby, who I'd known since high school. She was

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actually the the video you know, back when we had

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Primetime video. It was kind of like Blockbuster, you know,

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you go rent your movies and video games and stuff,

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and she was the checkout girl. And she was real cute.

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So I'd always flirt with her and stuff. But ended up,

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you know, we got together and uh, we were living

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together and uh, you know, like life was pretty stressful

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at this point. Like she had a lot going on.

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I had a lot going on. And my mom and

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her husband, they live in a little cabin. It's down

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in the woods basically to me. It really close to

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the Parkway and there's just a little short paved road

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that comes off, you know, one of these state roads,

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and you turn off of that onto a gravel road

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and go buy a couple of houses that are right

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near the turn off there, and then you go on

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down and there's like a corn vegetable garden and a

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you know, a barn and stuff. And then you go

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on down further and the driveway get starts getting kind

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of bad. It washes out and stuff because it gets

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so steep, so it's probably you know, from the last

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couple of houses, it's another quarter mile on down this

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real steep driveway that just goes right through the woods,

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you know. I mean the trees touch each other going

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over it, and it gets real dark, you know, just

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because of all the trees, and you go on down

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and then it kind of opens up, like right where

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the cabin is, there's a little creek that runs down

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through there, and you know where you part the cars,

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it's opened up enough to let some light in and

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it's cleared maybe fifty feet back from the cabin all

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the way around, and there's lots of pine trees. But

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it's a pretty you know, it's a pretty small little valley.

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You know, it's just two mountains coming down and a

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little bit of flat at the bottom, but not very

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much at all, so you're you know, you're you're down

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in kind of a hole there. It stays kind of damp,

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and but it's a real beautiful place. It's quiet. I

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think there's the Christmas Tree farm upstream where if you

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look out through the woods sometimes you know, during the winter,

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you can see a couple of the Christmas trees and

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then down down the creek. If you walk maybe a

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quarter or half probably a half mile down, you can

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get to another Christmas tree farm. But right there it's

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just all woods. And if you you know, you could

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walk back up the driveway and be back up. You know,

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we're around some houses and stuff. But if you walk

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behind the cabin, I think it's about a mile you

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could walk just through the woods and then you run

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into the parkway. So it's it's real remote and uh quiet, peaceful.

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But they, you know, they still go and do all,

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you know, go camping and visiting people and all that.

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So you know, they would ask me to either, you know,

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come feed the chickens and you know the cats the dogs,

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you know, at different periods. At this time, it seems

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like they didn't have they had they had had chickens,

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but they lost them to something, and so I really

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don't know that they really had I think they took

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the dog with them, Charlie, and the chickens weren't there.

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There might have been some cats to feed, but I

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think more or less they were just like, we're going

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to be out of town. You know, you're welcome to

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come stay at the cabin if you want, so Bobby

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and I were just like, okay, sure, you know, because

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it's just they They've done a really nice job with

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the place. David's a carpenter and he'd always I guess

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he'd saved a bunch of building material, so he used

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recycled building materials to build this cabin. I think the

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root of the cabin was like a really old cabin

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that had been moved there, and then he added on

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to it. He made this really nice screened import and yeah,

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and they're into Buddhism and zen. My mom's a yoga

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teacher and does massage and all that kind of stuff,

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and you know, so they just really had turned it

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into a really nice little kind of meditation place and

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it was really relaxing. So Bobby and I were really

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excited to get over there and just chill out and

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kind of, you know, get away from everything for a

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couple of days. So that's what we were doing. And

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you know, it was a beautiful day, and I'm sure

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if my mom had been there, she would have been

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yelling at me to go outside and go for a hike,

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because that's what she always does. Like her and David

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both are always out in the woods, like she goes

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on long hikes every day. David gets up at like

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four thirty in the morning and runs year round, doesn't

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matter if it's snow or or what. He's out there running.

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So I'm sure she would have been yelling at me

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to get out and go go hike or do something

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outside like she'd always done when I grew up. But uh,

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but she wasn't there. And Bobby and I like like

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watching movies, so we, uh, we were just watching a

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movie in the middle of the day. You know. I

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think it was like a Saturday or something, you know,

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and uh, it was a bright summer day. I don't

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think there were many clouds in the sky or anything.

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I don't remember. The sun was beating down and you know,

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we had all the doors open, and it was just

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a really nice day, and we found some cool movie

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to watch and we were just sitting there. You know.

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I think I had a drink or two and watching

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this action movie, and uh, I think I think we

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were just kind of sitting there, you know, making fun

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of some of the corny lines and stuff in the

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movie and laughing, having a good time. And uh, you know,

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in the midst of this, just all of a sudden

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just wam like this this this wow bang, you know,

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just made both of us jump, and you know, I

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so all right, I'm getting had so So I guess

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the layout of the cabin. You know, it's a little cabin.

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So most of the stuff is in one central room.

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There is a bedroom built off one side to the

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right if you're looking in the front door, and then

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I guess to the left there's kind of a little

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hallway that goes to like a bathroom, but the kitchen

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in the living room or like the main area, there's

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a little loft up top. But so at this time

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they had they always liked to move stuff around, but

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at this time they had a couch against the right

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hand wall and like a recliner kind of against the

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entrance way wall, and the TV was kind of on

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a shelf coming out from that right hand wall, and

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that kind of made a little den area. And on

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the back side of it there was like a computer desk,

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you know, kind of little office space, I guess, And

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across from that is like a pantry kind of behind

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the kitchen stuff. So all the kitchen stuffs on the

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left hand side, like cabinets and the stove and all that,

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and then there's a wood stove in the middle of

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the room. So I'm kind of sitting over to the

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right hand side, looking straight towards the back of the

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house at the TV. And so if you go so

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you have the main room where I'm at, you have

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the computer desk, Well, there's like a door that goes

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out to like a carolina room or a mudroom kind

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of thing right behind there. So it's it's almost like

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a little hallway going back, and that door is open

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to the mudroom. And then that mudroom, you know, it

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just has a screen door on it. You know, during

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the winter you would close the the more inner door

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and the mudroom would just stay cold, you know. So

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that mudroom just has a screen door. It's all it has.

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And it's maybe, uh, maybe twenty twenty five feet from

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from where I'm sitting, Like I'm sitting looking at the TV.

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The TV's maybe eight feet at the most, probably six

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feet in front of me, and I'm sitting in the

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recliner and Bobby's sitting on the couch like to my right.

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So looking forward, I see the TV, and then right

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to the left of the TV, I see the uh

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that screen door on the outside of the mudroom and

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it you know, it's such a beautiful day. The sun's

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like shining on the cut grass and the woods behind it.

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So it's just this like glowing green out there, you know.

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And I mean maybe I mean I was watching the movie,

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but even staring at the TV that's right in my

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field of view. But maybe I had been like looking

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over at Bobby's saying something when that loud that bamn happening.

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It happened, but you know, that sound happened, and you know,

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I'm just trying to figure out, you know what, what

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what happens? You know, what is this? And I look

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and I realize that now instead of seeing all that

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green grass, it's just black like that whole You know

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how a screen door has metal at the bottom and

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then it's got like two windows. It's got the middle

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one and the upper one, and you can slide the

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glass up into the top one and then it's just screen. Well,

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that middle window went from just being like vibrant, bright

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green like the last time I looked or whatever, like

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now the sound has happened, and now that middle window

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is just black, like it's just totally black, like like

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none of the top window was black, it would still

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look normal, just trees and stuff out of it. But

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that middle window is just black. And you know, my

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I've already got the jolt of the loud sound, you know,

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kind of like you know, something jumping out in a

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scary movie or something. I got that kind of that

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feeling going on, and I'm just you know, you usually

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when something like that happens, you know, you're like, oh,

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you know, you find some way to like bring yourself

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back down. So I'm like trying to figure out what's

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going on to calm myself back down from that. And

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I'm looking at this black and uh, I'm just like, well,

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this is weird. This is just weird, and I can't

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I can't figure out what it is. For probably like

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five seconds or something, I'm just looking at this black

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and and about you know, five seconds in, I start seeing,

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you know, I'm able to find in some detail, and

476
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,039
uh what I saw was kind of like, uh, you know,

477
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:10,719
almost like you know how a h an ape's face,

478
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,559
like its skin is that real shiny black like it

479
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,840
was kind of see. I realized I could kind of

480
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,280
see towards the middle of the window, you know, like

481
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:26,920
some like shine on like some like black skin or something.

482
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,639
And I realized, I'm looking at a snout, like a

483
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,000
long snout, like aim down at the ground, and I'm

484
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:39,079
seeing like like the lines, like it's all snarling and

485
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:43,280
it's you know how the ridge on a dog when

486
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,360
they snarl, they get all those ridges. It was like

487
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,719
those ridges were catching a light. And I was able

488
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,880
to sit like figure out like that's a snout, and

489
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,480
I looked up to where I would think the eyes

490
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:58,760
would be and I found them. I found the eyes.

491
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,000
And the reason I had seen them before as they

492
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,039
were just pitch. They were just black. There was no

493
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:10,199
whites or anything. They were just totally black. And uh,

494
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,199
but I guess maybe because of the shape of them,

495
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,440
I can tell they're just like looking around, like frantically,

496
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,719
just look looking, you know, back and forth and up

497
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,960
and down, and uh, just taking in everything within its sight.

498
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,239
And it looks like at this point I'm starting to

499
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,400
like put together, you know what I'm seeing, and uh,

500
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:41,599
it looks like this it's like just pressed up against

501
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:46,159
that window, like like it's got its face just smashed

502
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:51,280
against the glass. I said it probably was the screen.

503
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,599
I don't even think the glass was down. I think

504
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,320
it was just the screen, but it was just like

505
00:35:55,679 --> 00:36:01,920
thrussed up against it. And I mean, I guess it's

506
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,840
it's shoulders and its back were so big. You couldn't

507
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,320
see the outline of the head. It was just it

508
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,480
was just all black and I could just see those

509
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:18,519
the eyes and the ridges on the snout enough to

510
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:21,440
tell that it's you know, it had its snout aimed

511
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,199
at the ground to get its eyes like closer to

512
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,280
the to the window. You know, you're kind of like,

513
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,719
I guess if you were out in the sun and

514
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,840
you want to look into a dark room, you know

515
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,199
how you would like put your hands around your eyes.

516
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:36,920
It was almost like it was using its whole body

517
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:45,760
to kind of do that, and and and just and

518
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,599
it was about you know, when I when I it

519
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:51,840
was when I saw the eyes that I realized, like

520
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:57,400
like this this thing is like already seeing you, and

521
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,039
you know it's not even bothering to look at you

522
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,960
at this point, like and you're still just trying to

523
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,280
figure out what's going on. Like I just felt I

524
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:16,679
felt totally had, you know, just and uh, it was

525
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,960
like as soon as I was able to pick out

526
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,519
its eyes, like my body. I think I was maybe

527
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:27,280
even starting to just go into shock. Like you know,

528
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,559
I've heard lots of eyewitnesses talk about the fear these

529
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:34,119
things put off, and that's what it was. I mean,

530
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,760
it's not just like a feeling, it's like a physical reaction,

531
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:45,119
like my body just started like shutting down. Bobby later,

532
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,360
when I talked to her about it, she said she

533
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:50,440
was looking at me and she could tell I was

534
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:55,480
just staring at something and just the my face just

535
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,599
you know, she said, all the blood just drained out

536
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:02,480
of my face. I went, you know, bone white, My

537
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:06,639
eyes started like pugging out of my head, and uh,

538
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,000
you know, like part of me wanted to get up,

539
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:12,679
and like you know, like with with any normal animal,

540
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:18,079
you know, if you make a large, aggressive movement, you know,

541
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:20,480
the chances are they're going to run away, you know,

542
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:25,000
And uh, you know, I had it in my head

543
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:28,280
maybe to do something like that, but then this this

544
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,840
fear or whatever it is, just kicked in and there

545
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,880
was just no way. There was no way I was

546
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,239
getting up. And maybe it's like like something with like

547
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,639
the way a rabbit, you know, when they get startled,

548
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:46,760
they'll just freeze. Like it was like that I just

549
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:54,159
could not move, and I was just frozen. And I mean,

550
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:57,760
that thing could have done anything like and in the

551
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,119
way it was smashed up against the glass, it just

552
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:03,639
looked like it was just ready to pounce, like it

553
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,559
was just looking for a target, which I had my

554
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:12,039
little dog, or it was Bobby's little dog ended up

555
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:16,360
being my dog later, Rascal. He was a little Chihuahuah

556
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,559
terrier mutt, a goofy little guy, but he had the

557
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:25,679
heart of a lion. Like this guy. He was there

558
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,320
with us, and you know, I think like he usually was,

559
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,760
he was probably curled up in his his mom's lap,

560
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,559
you know, passed out. And I'm glad because I'm sure

561
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:38,239
if he would have seen this thing, he probably would

562
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,039
have gone right after. He was just one of those,

563
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,639
you know, he just was all heart and not much sense.

564
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:49,199
But but I he was out of sight, and I

565
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,840
kind of felt like maybe it was looking for him,

566
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,920
like it had smelled him where we'd let him out,

567
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,360
But I don't know, you know, And and I just

568
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,639
had that sense if I was to get up and

569
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,320
try to scare this thing off, I was really gonna

570
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,400
just draw it in. But I really think I'm just

571
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:15,199
rationalizing at this point because I was just frozen in fear.

572
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,199
I don't think I could have gotten up if I

573
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,320
had tried. Maybe I could have gotten up, but I

574
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,559
would have you know, my legs would have been shaken,

575
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:25,159
like like wet noodles or something. You know, I was.

576
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:31,079
I was a mess. And you know, this went on

577
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,360
for like, I mean, it felt like hours, but it

578
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,199
was probably like thirty seconds, like it filled up that

579
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,119
window and it was just looking everywhere. It never made

580
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:48,039
eye contact with me, but its whole head and body

581
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:51,039
were aimed right at me, So I know, I know

582
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:53,400
it had looked at me, and I think it was

583
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,079
when I looked over that way that it started looking

584
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:59,000
everywhere else. Maybe, I mean, you know, I don't know,

585
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,039
but I mean, I don't even understand how it got

586
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:06,039
to fill that window up without me seeing it come

587
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,760
into my view, you know, because it was right there

588
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,800
in front of me, like twenty feet away maybe and

589
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,000
you know, a big window. You know, it was right there,

590
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,440
and I didn't I did not see it move when

591
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:22,119
it came. It was just there. I heard the noise

592
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:24,280
and it was there like it must have just come

593
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,800
running in at mock five and just like I think

594
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,400
it put its hands up on either side of the

595
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,599
door as it like to stop itself, and it just

596
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,440
immediately froze. Which it's been kind of blowing my mind

597
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,960
because it, you know, I was kind of convincing myself,

598
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,079
well maybe it was like an adolescent and didn't really

599
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:49,519
know what it was doing. But for it to totally

600
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:53,280
fill that bottom window and not get any bit of

601
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,000
itself in that top window, it was like it knew

602
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:58,000
how to do that. Like it was like if it

603
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:01,559
had been nighttime, I wouldn't I would have had no

604
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,719
idea it was there, you know, like it you you

605
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,559
know you would have you would have no way to

606
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,039
really see it. It could just be right smashed up

607
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:12,119
against the window like that, and you would have no

608
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,559
idea unless you like shine a flashlight out through it

609
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:20,000
or something maybe. And and it and its fur was

610
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:27,280
just this like this, Matt Black, you know, no reflection

611
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,239
at all, you know, I mean I I couldn't make

612
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,840
out any body parts other than the snout in the eyes.

613
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,880
I couldn't see the teeth. I think it was because

614
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,840
it was snarling. I think its gums were maybe hiding

615
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,960
the teeth. And yes, this went on for like thirty

616
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,440
seconds and then it just faster than I've ever seen

617
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:57,639
a cat or anything. It just jumped its whole body

618
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,280
without turning, just its whole old body. Just it just

619
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,840
jumped to my right and was gone with no noise

620
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:16,639
at all. I never smelled anything, and I I, you know,

621
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,159
I turned to Bobby and was just like, what was that?

622
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,000
I think, I think in my my written report, I said,

623
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:24,880
you know, did you see that or something? But I

624
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,960
just assumed, I remember now, like I just assumed that

625
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:31,920
she had seen it too, but apparently because she was

626
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,679
sitting on the couch, like the TV was blocking her

627
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,360
view of the door, and she was just looking at

628
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,519
me see it, which I think freaked her out pretty

629
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:46,320
good just seeing me see it. But I was just like,

630
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:51,400
you know, what was that? Because you know, in my mind,

631
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:55,519
like you know, I had no I'd never heard of

632
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:57,880
a dog man, you know, you know, I've always been

633
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,400
in the sasquatch and stuff like that, but I never

634
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,519
for a second thought that that's what it was. It

635
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:07,800
was just putting off this very aggressive kind of benevolence,

636
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:12,039
you know, just it was in full hunt mode or whatever.

637
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:20,639
It was terrifying, And yeah, I just you know, I

638
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,119
was like, what was that? And because my mind the

639
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:27,920
only thing that I like, my mind, you know, your

640
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,480
inner voice, you know, as I'm like looking at this thing,

641
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:34,239
when I saw those eyes, my inner voice just said demon,

642
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Like that was the only thing that came to mind.

643
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:44,719
You know. Maybe if I had heard of dogmen before then,

644
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,800
you know, I would have thought that, but I just

645
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,960
didn't have that, you know, I didn't you know, I

646
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:53,679
never really believed in wear wolves or anything like that.

647
00:44:53,679 --> 00:45:01,119
It just wasn't something that I thought about. But yeah,

648
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,639
so I was just like, what was that? You know,

649
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,320
and you know, and it really kind of made it

650
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,280
hard to tell the story because like, you know, I'm

651
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,000
not really a religious person per se. You know, I

652
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,400
definitely believe there's a lot to this world and all

653
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,039
kinds of stuff. I'm not gonna say nothing that that

654
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:23,559
stuff isn't real, but it's just not really my thing.

655
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,400
So to go around and tell you oh, I saw

656
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,199
this demon, you know, it wasn't really something I wanted

657
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,559
to do. And I did tell my closest friends about it,

658
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:34,599
and I warned. I told my mom and David when

659
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:39,719
they got back, you know, that we'd seen something. You know,

660
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:44,119
one one thought I had was that, you know, because

661
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:48,719
they spend so much time outside and everything, like maybe

662
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:53,480
this dog man had been around kind of watching them,

663
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:57,039
and then they were gone and their cars were gone,

664
00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:00,119
and you know, when I was a pretty frequent visitor,

665
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,800
so my sense would have you know, my smells and

666
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,639
stuff would have been around there, you know, normally anyway,

667
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:10,679
So maybe it just thought we weren't there, but we

668
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:13,079
were making so much noise it had to I just

669
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,920
don't know, I'm not sure what it was doing. Maybe

670
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,440
it was just waking me up, telling me I need

671
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,599
to be a little more on my toes. But yeah,

672
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:26,920
so yeah, I just didn't really know how to categorize

673
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,440
what had happened. So, you know, I told a few people,

674
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,239
and you know, just kind of I didn't tell a

675
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,480
whole lot of people, and I didn't really talk about it,

676
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,039
you know, after you know, that first week, I told

677
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:42,719
some people and you know, got kind of you know,

678
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,280
no one might really ridiculed me, but they didn't really

679
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,119
have much to say about it either, So I just

680
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,280
kind of quit talking about it, and I guess eventually

681
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:57,320
kind of quit thinking about it, you know, and went

682
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,599
on with my life. And it wasn't until this year

683
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,679
I found dog man encounters, and you know, and when

684
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,639
I started hearing these people talk about that fear coming

685
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,320
off them and how fast they move and how big

686
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,400
they are, is when I was when I figured out

687
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,119
that that was most likely what I saw, because I mean,

688
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,360
when you think about that middle window of a screen door,

689
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,920
I mean the top of it's like four feet off

690
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,880
the ground, and this thing was like hunched down and

691
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,880
totally filling that window at four feet off the ground,

692
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,559
the whole width of the window what like two and

693
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:47,079
a half feet at least, just totally filling that space

694
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,800
with blackness, like not even seeing the edges of this thing.

695
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,360
And I mean it just had to be so big,

696
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,719
and it moved so fast and so quiet. So after

697
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:06,639
it jumped away, I I knew I should go check,

698
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,679
you know, well, you know, check the perimeter or whatever,

699
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,239
you know, see see if it's left or what's going on.

700
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,320
But I was I was too scared to go out

701
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,800
there right away, so I gave it like five or

702
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,719
ten minutes, you know, just kind of pacing around inside,

703
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,880
looking out the windows and listening and stuff, making sure

704
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,800
I didn't hear it get on the roof or something.

705
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:33,599
And after about ten minutes, I think, I went back

706
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:36,159
to the screen door and looked out as best I

707
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:39,840
could and opened it and like took maybe two or

708
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,559
three steps outside, and it was it was it was

709
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:50,320
that that real quiet, you know, that stillness. It was

710
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,119
real sunny and bright, but it was just dead quiet.

711
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:58,800
And I felt watched. And I you know, looking at

712
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,440
the roof and looking at through the trees, you know,

713
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:06,000
just trying to look everywhere at once. And you know,

714
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:09,639
I glanced down, you know, and looked for tracks. I

715
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:13,679
couldn't couldn't find any tracks, but I didn't spend a hole.

716
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:16,440
Like I did not feel comfortable to just stare at

717
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,039
the ground, you know. I felt like I needed to

718
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:23,719
be looking checking everywhere I could. And that backyard, I

719
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,079
think because they had the chickens, Like I can't really

720
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:31,039
remember why, but they had put this like five foot

721
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:38,199
high hogwire fence around that backyard at this point, and

722
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:42,639
it was actually enclosed, you know, which that hogwire is

723
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,119
just you know, a little sixteenth inch wire, you know,

724
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,440
making like two by four squares or something like that.

725
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,000
If I was to climb over it, I would bend

726
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:56,119
it and you would be able to see where I

727
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:59,960
climbed over it. So I looked, you know, I would

728
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:03,400
looked for for some kind of sign that something had

729
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,599
climbed over this fence, and there was nothing. It was.

730
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,519
It was pristine, there was no sign of the fence

731
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:12,079
damaged it all. So I figured whatever it was must

732
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:20,199
have just leapt right over this five foot fence silently. Yeah,

733
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:23,280
I mean at this point, I mean, I can't think

734
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,800
of anything it could have been besides a dog man.

735
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:34,800
And uh, yeah, it's uh, you know these days, I

736
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,840
I mean I'm intrigued, you know, like.

737
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 3: You know, I.

738
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,039
Speaker 1: Don't want to see that one again. But if if

739
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:49,119
a nice one weren't like run by, you know, about

740
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:51,760
one hundred yards away, I mean I would I would

741
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,719
be thrilled, you know, if as long as I could

742
00:50:54,719 --> 00:51:00,559
get away afterwards what not. But uh, it's uh, you know,

743
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,679
I guess I just these days. The biggest effect that

744
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,840
it has on me is that I pay attention to

745
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:11,960
clumps of trees and stuff beside the road. Anytime there's

746
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,440
like a cleared field, I'm always looking. I got some

747
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:20,079
good binoculars. I just like looking, which I figure that's

748
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:23,039
probably the best way to not see one too, Beanness.

749
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:26,440
They just barely run up to your window when you're

750
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,400
not paying attention, and you know, if they're scared of

751
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:34,880
cameras and stuff, maybe maybe that's the best way not

752
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,719
to see them. I don't know, but yeah, I'm just

753
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,639
a little more on my toes, I guess, or try

754
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:48,079
to be these days. I'm not really too you know.

755
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:50,280
I get freaked out sometimes out in the woods, but

756
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,679
not too bad. And I'm definitely going to keep on

757
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:59,800
going out there. And yeah, it's uh, you know, it's

758
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,079
just part of being in the woods. There's always other

759
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:05,960
things out there, and you know that that's what makes

760
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:18,159
it fun. Yeah, so that that was my encounter. I've

761
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:23,480
never had anything else in my life like affect me

762
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:28,199
with that kind of fear and that kind of just reaction.

763
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:32,559
It's something I'll never forget.

764
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you never will forget it. Yeah, that's

765
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,800
totally understandable talking about that first encounter Forrest. Like I

766
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,679
said earlier, I know there are going to be tons

767
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:49,880
of people who who try to shoot down the idea

768
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:54,119
that a kid who's three could carry those memories to adulthood.

769
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,840
They think it's impossible, but have already gone over the

770
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,719
whole childhood amnesia thing. But to back up your claim

771
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:05,719
that it happened, which I fully believe it did, your

772
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,440
parents told you about some of the strange things that

773
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,360
happened that very same year that just might have been

774
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,079
dogged me and related as well. Please flesh that out

775
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:14,519
for us.

776
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:24,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, so my dad he told me a story.

777
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,039
I'm I mean, I guess I'm not positive that this

778
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:31,800
was that same summer, but I had but it was

779
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,320
definitely it was, you know, that same age. I was

780
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,800
a same age, and I'm pretty sure it was. But

781
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,599
he told me about there was something we had this

782
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,320
I think it was like a couple of box woods

783
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:47,320
that had you know, this how this old farmhouse was

784
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,400
like one hundred years old or something. I think these

785
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,679
were some old box was just been let grow or something.

786
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:56,400
So they were like twenty feet tall and maybe fifteen

787
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,840
feet across, and you know, they were just like twenty

788
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,360
thirty feet from the house, you know, just out in

789
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,119
the yard there, and I would play in there and stuff.

790
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:09,679
He could climb in to the middle of him and

791
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,039
be out of sight, you know, and climb around in him.

792
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:17,400
And he said something was in there, just shaking them

793
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,079
all over, you know, I think to him he thought

794
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:26,119
it was something kind of paranormal, and uh, you know,

795
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:28,960
he told me the story. It was just something in there,

796
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,800
just shaking and those off and he can't remember he

797
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,719
did something and it went flying off like I thought

798
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,400
he might. I don't know if he saw anything, but

799
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:42,079
it was just it was there, shaking everything, and then

800
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:47,239
it was gone, whatever that was. And then there my

801
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,559
mom told me another story, and this would have been

802
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:55,679
like that same summer. You know, we had the big

803
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,719
cowfield behind the house, and we had a clothesline behind

804
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,559
the house as well, and she was out there hanging

805
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:11,360
out clothes, and she said, I just went toddling, you know,

806
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,519
like just took off, you know, through the fence and

807
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,679
out into the field, just while she was doing her

808
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,159
thing hanging clothes, you know, which wasn't on you. We

809
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,599
would always walk out in the field and stuff. But

810
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,760
she said, I was just taking off, you know, across

811
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,400
the field. And at this time there were some I

812
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,920
think they were keeping some donkeys in that field. Usually

813
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,519
it was cows, but there were donkeys then and they

814
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,320
were hanging out up near the tree line. And you know,

815
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,840
as soon as I got maybe. I mean, I have

816
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:52,519
good ways into the field. They just came just bolting

817
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,199
down through the field like straight at me and gave

818
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,639
my mom a heart attack, which is why she remembers this,

819
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,679
because she thought they were going to trample me. But

820
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,679
they just came bolting down from the tree line and

821
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:10,159
turned at the last second and went around me, you know.

822
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:12,599
And you know, and now I'm a little old, you know,

823
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,760
now I'm older, and uh, you know, donkeys are you know,

824
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,079
pretty protective and fierce really like people will put them

825
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:22,480
in with horses to protect them. They're not really ones

826
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:27,079
that like run from mut you know. Maybe it could

827
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:29,519
have been bear or something. I don't know, but there

828
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:32,079
was something up there that spooked them. And you know,

829
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:34,800
why did I decide to go running up there right

830
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,159
at that time? Like, you know, I don't have a

831
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:40,599
memory of that, but you know, I just thought that

832
00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:43,159
was kind of odd that there were these other things

833
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:47,840
like that going on at the same time. There were

834
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,239
there were that that house was interesting, you know, it

835
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,480
was old, and uh there was you know, other just

836
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,360
kind of odd things that happened around that place. But

837
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:06,599
but those those kind of add it to the you know,

838
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,679
in my memory of that whole first encounter. You know,

839
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,039
at this point, I I like, I'm not going to

840
00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:16,400
like sit here and say, well, I know that this

841
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:21,559
happened for sure, you know, like it's all you know,

842
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,480
such a young memory. It's very hard to say, you

843
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:31,039
know exactly how true it is now that second encounter,

844
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:35,039
you know, I remember that, like, I know that happened,

845
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:39,280
and I and I think that that first one did

846
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:45,119
as well. You know, it's you know, they say, what

847
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:48,480
is it every time you remember something? You just remember

848
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:52,039
what is it your last time you remembered it or

849
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:54,920
something like that. It just gets more and more diluted.

850
00:57:55,559 --> 00:58:00,800
So so I don't know, but it made a no whatever,

851
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:04,280
what if it was just a dream, it make sure

852
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,760
made an impression on me because I you know, I

853
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,840
told my parents about it and I still I still

854
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,440
don't think it was a dream. I argued with them

855
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,000
that it was a dream.

856
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if it was a dream, it's pretty ironic

857
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,559
that two incidents happened that very same year that point

858
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:31,320
towards dog me in activity. What are the odds? Yeah,

859
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,960
you can't dismiss that, definitely can't. I'm wondering due to

860
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:38,559
the amount of time that had passed between you having

861
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:41,599
that first encounter in eighty three in the time when

862
00:58:41,599 --> 00:58:44,440
you had the second one. I guess that was around

863
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,800
twenty fifteen. Had you stopped thinking about that first encounter

864
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,360
before the second one happened?

865
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean I definitely wasn't thinking about

866
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:01,360
it like very often. It was more it was one

867
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:04,920
kind of one of those things you know, like on

868
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:08,480
you know, a family get together or something. You know,

869
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,599
it might come up in conversation and be like, oh, yeah,

870
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:14,559
I remember that red eyed bear I saw, you know,

871
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:18,840
and they'd be like, oh no, that wasn't you know,

872
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,280
but you know, so it wasn't I guess. I guess

873
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,280
I'd mostly stopped thinking about it by the time I

874
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,039
had the second one. And I sure wasn't expecting to

875
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:32,599
have that second one. I mean, that was just out

876
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:37,599
of the blue, going from just laughing watching a movie,

877
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,719
not a care in the world, to just thinking I

878
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,239
was going to die like in seconds.

879
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And of course you never expect to have

880
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,840
a dog mean an encounter until you have it, so

881
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:55,079
that's natural. Well, let's get to the questions now from

882
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:57,360
the listeners in the live chat. The first one for

883
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,559
you is from Bang Bang, and he wants to know

884
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:02,480
if the ambient noise has stopped when you had that

885
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:05,079
second encounter and saw that dog man out the door.

886
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I when I went out there to look around,

887
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,360
it was it was dead quiet. And I mean it's

888
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,880
a fairly quiet place, but you know, it's in the woods.

889
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:23,800
There's always some birds and some squirrels and stuff, you know,

890
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,760
and some bugs, some frogs and crickets and all that stuff,

891
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,199
you know, And it was it did. It was so

892
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,239
quiet that it did catch my attention. Like I didn't

893
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,320
think about it a whole lot at the time, but

894
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,400
I did note it that it was. It was unusually quiet.

895
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,320
It was silent out there, and which was weird with

896
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,920
it being so nice and bright but then just totally silent.

897
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:51,960
It was. It was odd.

898
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,599
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it was. You definitely don't expect that.

899
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,400
I've got another question from the Arcane observe or that's

900
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,920
kind of tying into that. She wants to know some

901
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,440
people report feeling dog men could have pure normal qualities

902
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,679
to them. Would you say it was more like an

903
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,920
underreported species of animal or something else.

904
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:19,199
Speaker 1: I think I'd have to say something else. I mean,

905
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:22,400
maybe I'd have to go sit in front of a

906
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,000
lion or something and see if it made me feel

907
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,760
that way to really be able to tell you. But

908
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,599
from you know, everything in my life, you know, from

909
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,119
from car wrecks, you know, like sliding off the road

910
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:38,360
on ice, knowing I'm going to hit a tree and

911
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,800
you know, maybe not survive. Like, you know, nothing has

912
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,880
been terrifying like that. You know that it was in

913
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,480
its own thing, So it kind of it felt like

914
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:57,239
it it felt like the fear or paralysis or whatever

915
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:02,719
it was was just like emanating off for this thing. So,

916
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,920
I mean, maybe that's just the feeling that that you

917
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:09,800
get when you're in the presence of an APEX creditor,

918
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,159
But I kind of think there's a there's something more

919
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:17,719
to it, like it can emote or something. I'm not sure,

920
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:23,159
but it did seem like it's, you know, almost like

921
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:26,519
it has some kind of ability to broadcast that.

922
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:32,039
Speaker 2: Well, that's not unusual for an eyewitness to have that opinion. Yeah,

923
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:35,199
I can understand why too. I've got another one for you.

924
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,320
It is from Ann Console and Ian wants to know,

925
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:41,639
after thinking about this, what do you think the creature wanted?

926
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,599
Speaker 1: You know, I've thought a lot about that, and I

927
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:53,159
just don't know. Sometime, you know, kind of earlier on

928
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,599
and thinking about it, I kind of thought, well, maybe

929
01:02:57,639 --> 01:03:03,159
it was an adolescent and it just you know, it

930
01:03:03,199 --> 01:03:06,960
was either just looking for a quick meal or or

931
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:10,679
you know, just you know, checking out a new thing

932
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,559
or something. You know, just maybe curious. But it was

933
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:19,840
I don't know, it put off so much like animosity

934
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:26,679
kind of. I just don't know. I really don't know.

935
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,599
I mean, if it was just putting on an act

936
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:34,639
to scare me, you know it it deserves an award,

937
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,199
you know, it deserves a uh. I don't know, because

938
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:43,880
it was just it really seemed like it was just

939
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,960
looking like it was ready to pounce and just looking

940
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,360
for a target. Like I think if Rascal had like

941
01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:53,719
ran across this field of view, it would have just

942
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,840
been through that door and had them like quicker than

943
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,800
you could see. You know, Like it's just the the

944
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:04,320
energy it was kind of putting off, like was just

945
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,559
looking for a reason to come in kind of but

946
01:04:07,719 --> 01:04:08,239
they didn't.

947
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness for that. The next question on deck

948
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,280
is from A. C. Kamui and AC wants to know

949
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:19,519
do you think it's important for people to know they exist,

950
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,159
even if they don't believe you.

951
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and I think I think they need to

952
01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:34,840
know that they I mean, I think we should all

953
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,199
be be mindful of our safety, you know, whether they

954
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:42,199
exist or not. But I think that we do need

955
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:44,840
to know that they exist because it's so traumatic. Like

956
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,320
I feel like for me, you know, it wasn't nearly

957
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:53,480
as bad as for some of these other eyewitnesses, but

958
01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:57,400
you know it, I can totally it was terrifying enough

959
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,679
that I can totally get like if you are just

960
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,360
out with nothing between you and it and you know,

961
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:08,400
or even if it just like kept coming back or whatever, like,

962
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,679
it was just so traumatic, and I feel like we

963
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,000
need to we need to know that that stuff like

964
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:17,480
this happened so we can be more supportive for people

965
01:05:17,519 --> 01:05:20,760
like that because they don't need they need support not

966
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,239
not being ridiculed or you know, having to keep it

967
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,960
all to themselves and all that kind of thing. So

968
01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:30,400
I think that's why we need to acknowledge their existence.

969
01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:34,119
Speaker 2: It's funny you mentioned that. I've got another question here

970
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:38,400
that it ties into that. Naturally. Calv wants to know

971
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:40,679
did the owner has ever mentioned something out of the

972
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,519
ordinary or say, be aware.

973
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:50,079
Speaker 1: You mean you mean like like my mom and David.

974
01:05:51,519 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

975
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they you know, they never they said they'd

976
01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:03,880
never seen anything like that. You know, I did tell them,

977
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,320
you know, because I was worried for my mom, you

978
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,000
know and stuff. But uh, you know, but the way

979
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:13,519
they are too, they're they're they're lovely people and and

980
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,079
you know, they're they're getting up in years. They don't

981
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:20,000
have the best eyesight, and you know, they're they're gonna

982
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,599
be looking at the flowers and da da da and

983
01:06:22,599 --> 01:06:26,559
and I just don't know how aware of everything around

984
01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:30,800
them they always are. You know, they're when they're there,

985
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:35,760
they usually have the music blaring and they're going deaf,

986
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,320
you know, and they're they're like what you know, and

987
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,599
talking to each other and uh there they would probably

988
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:43,199
be a lot of fun for a dog man to

989
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,039
watch and very easy without being seen. So yeah, they

990
01:06:48,159 --> 01:06:50,440
they've never seen anything. But I don't know how much

991
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,639
that means. Now. Their dog Charlie, as he got older,

992
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:58,679
I mean I guess he was losing his sight and hearing,

993
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,719
but like the for the last like he he just

994
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:07,599
passed away this year, but for the last couple of years,

995
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:12,119
every time I've been there, like all night long, He's like,

996
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,920
because he can go in and out as he pleases,

997
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,440
he would just go running out, just barking really aggressively,

998
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:22,559
you know, and they kind of thought he was just

999
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:25,280
you know, going dead for something. But it, you know,

1000
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,000
it sounded like he was after something. And I don't know,

1001
01:07:29,199 --> 01:07:34,000
I thought that was a little odd, but they never

1002
01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:34,760
saw anything.

1003
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does make you wonder what was behind all that.

1004
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:42,239
And speaking of Charlie, let's talk about Rascal. Looks like

1005
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,440
Anne Conzell wants to know if Rascal wound up being okay.

1006
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Rascal. I think he ended up being pretty okay.

1007
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:00,079
He Bobby ended up moving down the Florida and he

1008
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:05,840
came to live with me and he, uh, he passed

1009
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:11,159
away several years ago. Oh, but he he was a

1010
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:17,479
Bobby rescued him. She moved in a trailer park and

1011
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:21,520
he had been abandoned in a fenced in yard with

1012
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,600
some bigger dogs. And I think the other people there

1013
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,159
were just like feeding these dogs like dried beans or something,

1014
01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:32,000
and like putting water in a five gallon bucket that

1015
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:34,359
you know, unless it was topped up to the top,

1016
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,319
he couldn't even get to the water. But he like

1017
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,760
busted out of there and like moved in with her

1018
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:46,359
and was was was her buddy, you know she had

1019
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,560
I think. You know, shortly after she got him, some

1020
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,000
guy tried to kiss her when she didn't want him to,

1021
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:58,079
and Rascal like bit the guy's face and I ran

1022
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:00,600
them off. You know, he was just he was all heart.

1023
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,079
He was a great dog. He was really goofy. He

1024
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:08,319
chas his tail and you know, be oblivious to things

1025
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,600
and and everything. So I'm really not all that surprised

1026
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,640
that he didn't see this thing. But I know if

1027
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,279
he if he had, like, I don't think he had

1028
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:21,319
fear in him. He thought he was the biggest, baddest thing.

1029
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,359
You know. Me, it's just this little little goofy chihwawa

1030
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,399
leg dog. I never liked those little dogs all that

1031
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,000
much til I'd met him, and I didn't. We didn't

1032
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:35,760
get along at first. He'd like bite my toes and everything,

1033
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,640
and uh it was kind of nippy, but but he

1034
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,960
ended up winning me over. Yeah, he came and lived

1035
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:48,119
with me for years after after Bobby moved away and

1036
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:53,439
couldn't couldn't bring him with her. You know, his eyesight

1037
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,399
and his teeth. His teeth got really bad eventually, but

1038
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:05,880
he was a he was friends with the cats, and

1039
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,119
he was a good little dog.

1040
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:14,359
Speaker 2: Sure sounds like he was. Yeah, and yeah, I guess

1041
01:10:14,359 --> 01:10:16,640
without saying, I'm so sorry to hear that you lost him,

1042
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,840
but it sure sounds to me like you lived a

1043
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,600
full life, that is, at least after Bobby saved him.

1044
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, I think he had a rough start,

1045
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,439
but then he was pretty perpetually spoiled after that.

1046
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it to me. It does. Well. The

1047
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,479
next question for you is from Kim Harris, and Kim

1048
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,279
wants to know have you felt that way when you

1049
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:42,600
were there lately being watched?

1050
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:52,279
Speaker 1: Not not really, you know, like I thought that I

1051
01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:55,479
would be like creeped out going there after that, but

1052
01:10:56,199 --> 01:10:59,479
I've never That's the only time I've ever gotten like

1053
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:04,920
some weird vibes. I mean, there's been there's been a

1054
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:09,199
few times when I was down there by myself that

1055
01:11:09,279 --> 01:11:12,000
I got I guess. I guess there's been a couple

1056
01:11:12,079 --> 01:11:14,039
of times I thought like maybe I was a little

1057
01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:20,439
watched or something, but nothing nothing too bad. Yeah, I

1058
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,800
kind of think that either. It just usually keeps a

1059
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,279
lot more distance or or it's just it was out

1060
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:34,000
of its normal uh you know, area or whatnot and

1061
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:36,159
just passing through or something. I don't know.

1062
01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:40,039
Speaker 2: He hopefully if it was in the area, it was

1063
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:45,600
just passing through and wasn't hoping to come back around again. Yeah,

1064
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,399
that wouldn't be good if it did. Before we move

1065
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,199
on to the next question, I just want to thank

1066
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:53,000
Kyle for his donation. Yeah, thank you so much for

1067
01:11:53,039 --> 01:11:58,279
your support. The next question for you is from blood VIPA,

1068
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,399
and he wants to know did you ever feel that

1069
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,840
you were in danger of it coming through the door

1070
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:04,840
slash window.

1071
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, as soon as I was able to make out

1072
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:15,760
the eyes and saw them like like frantically, like manically

1073
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:21,199
just looking everywhere, and then realized, you know, from what

1074
01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:24,359
I could see at the way the snout was aimed

1075
01:12:24,399 --> 01:12:28,359
down and the eyes were so pressed up and and

1076
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,079
all that blackness. I mean, it had to have its

1077
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:37,079
whole body just kind of like pressed up against the

1078
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:41,079
the door, and that loud noise when it when it

1079
01:12:41,159 --> 01:12:46,520
initially appeared that wham like like it. I mean, obviously

1080
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,319
it wasn't trying to come through the door, but it

1081
01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:52,920
came up with so much speed, like I almost felt

1082
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,399
like it was going to just run through the door

1083
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,279
and come in, and at the last second like changed

1084
01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:01,520
its mind, like maybe all me sitting there, and instead

1085
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,600
it like slapped the wall on either side of the

1086
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,840
door to stop itself or you know, you know, I'm

1087
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,640
just this all conjecture, but yeah, I felt like at

1088
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:19,439
any second, that entire like thirty seconds, that that it

1089
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,399
it was. It was making up its mind that entire

1090
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,479
time whether to come through that door, and all it

1091
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:28,560
needed was like one good reason, you know kind of

1092
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,119
thing is what I felt like.

1093
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness, and vor did have a good enough

1094
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,760
reason to do that. Yeah, that wouldn't be good. The

1095
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,640
next question for you is from Michigan meat eater, and

1096
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,880
he wants to know if you have any estimate on

1097
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,039
its height and weight.

1098
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:51,520
Speaker 1: Well, I mean for its shoulders to be up above

1099
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,880
its head, you know, and it's like tucking its head

1100
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,479
down and it and they were like, I got the

1101
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:04,359
impression it was almost like like it was scrunched down

1102
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,840
as far as it could go, and it was probably

1103
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,640
like kind of laid out with its legs its back

1104
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,039
legs like back behind it and maybe its front legs

1105
01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:17,640
on the on either side of the door. I don't know,

1106
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,199
you know, but for it to like fill that space

1107
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:26,119
like that, I mean, I can't really see it. If

1108
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:28,159
it was to stand up on its hind legs, I

1109
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:32,239
couldn't see it being smaller than than seven or eight

1110
01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:38,039
feet tall. And I mean at least, you know, I mean,

1111
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,399
for its shoulders to be that high while it's scrunched down,

1112
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,000
and I mean, and to be so wide to totally

1113
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:51,279
black that window out. I mean, I mean, it's hard

1114
01:14:51,319 --> 01:14:55,039
to say, but I would be really surprised if it

1115
01:14:55,079 --> 01:14:57,279
was less than three or four hundred pounds, you know,

1116
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,319
and possibly much more you know. I don't know, but

1117
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,319
it was big.

1118
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it. If i'd a bet, yeah, I'd

1119
01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:09,319
bet that it was much more than that as well.

1120
01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:14,479
In wait, I would, well, ac can we thank you

1121
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,199
so much for your donation. I really appreciate it. And Kyle,

1122
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,359
thank you too, so much for your donation. It's definitely appreciated.

1123
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,880
Looks like Kyle says, you help me get through my

1124
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,560
days at work and depression. Wow, depression, that's not good.

1125
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,880
You keep me You help me keep an open mind. Well,

1126
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:37,840
anyway I can help, that's always a good thing. So

1127
01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:42,760
glad to hear that this helps you. The next question

1128
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,520
is from l O, and l O wants to know, Forrest,

1129
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,800
did your dad manage to save the baby?

1130
01:15:52,800 --> 01:16:02,079
Speaker 1: He did, he did. He tracked, He tracked it, you know,

1131
01:16:02,279 --> 01:16:05,800
it into the woods, and the tracks led to a

1132
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,560
like kind of a cliff face, you know, up onto

1133
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:12,720
a mountain, and it was too steep and too rugged

1134
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,560
for him to be able to climb up where it did.

1135
01:16:16,079 --> 01:16:20,199
And he had to track down like a quarter mile

1136
01:16:20,359 --> 01:16:22,760
or something like a good ways down and find another

1137
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,039
way up and come back and look for the trail.

1138
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:32,119
And he got up there on top and he he said,

1139
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:35,720
he found the diaper had been removed, like the diaper

1140
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,399
was dirty, you know, the baby had used it, and

1141
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,199
like it had pulled the diaper off it and left

1142
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:44,520
the diaper. So he knew he was on the right trail.

1143
01:16:45,359 --> 01:16:47,600
And he went a little further and he could it

1144
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,520
opened up into like a clearing on top of his mountain.

1145
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:56,479
And he said he got like five or ten feet

1146
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:01,239
from the clearing, and he sat down. He knew he

1147
01:17:01,279 --> 01:17:03,680
was close, and he sat down to watch. You know.

1148
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,199
He knew better than to just go out into the clearing,

1149
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:11,119
so he sat there and watched for a while, and

1150
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,520
he said something ran across the clearing in front of

1151
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,279
him so fast that all he could see was a streak,

1152
01:17:20,039 --> 01:17:26,880
a black streak, and you know, he didn't, you know,

1153
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,159
he didn't. He wouldn't have just taken a shot, you know,

1154
01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:32,119
knowing there's a baby involved anyway, but it was way

1155
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,239
too fast anyway, and he sat there a while and

1156
01:17:35,279 --> 01:17:39,680
then he said he heard a single stick break like

1157
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,439
right behind him, you know, maybe twenty or thirty feet

1158
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:48,119
like a loud stick broke, just one and no other sound.

1159
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,119
And he, you know, he got the chills and everything

1160
01:17:51,279 --> 01:17:54,279
is like, oh no, it's behind me, you know, and

1161
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:58,359
you know, and he's hunted enough. He's sitting there perfectly

1162
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:02,039
still and everything. But he knew it was had. So

1163
01:18:02,279 --> 01:18:06,560
he turned around and he said the baby was laying there.

1164
01:18:08,399 --> 01:18:12,079
It wasn't crying, it wasn't hurt, It had no scratches

1165
01:18:12,119 --> 01:18:16,079
on it. It had been like cleaned up, and it

1166
01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:21,279
was just laying there. And he went over and or, no,

1167
01:18:21,359 --> 01:18:24,039
maybe it wasn't cleaned up. I think it was. You know,

1168
01:18:24,039 --> 01:18:25,880
it still had some poo on it and stuff. So

1169
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:27,960
he took his shirt off and he cleaned it up

1170
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,800
and wrapped it up in his jacket and brought it

1171
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:37,279
back to the family. And at this point the authorities

1172
01:18:37,359 --> 01:18:42,560
and stuff. You know, the family called people and the

1173
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,079
authorities were there, and you know, they wanted to make

1174
01:18:45,119 --> 01:18:48,159
it out like he had taken the baby in order

1175
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:50,920
to go save the baby or something, to be a hero,

1176
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:55,239
and they were, you know, being real nasty to him,

1177
01:18:55,279 --> 01:18:57,479
and they were wanting to take the baby to like

1178
01:18:58,319 --> 01:19:01,960
child protective services something, and he had to kind of,

1179
01:19:02,079 --> 01:19:04,760
you know, real quick, you know, hand the baby off

1180
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,720
to the parents before the the authorities could get it.

1181
01:19:09,079 --> 01:19:10,880
And they took the baby and went in the house

1182
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,920
and like barricaded themselves in the house. And my dad

1183
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,760
was in the Navy at this point, and you know,

1184
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,840
I guess through you know, being in good standing with

1185
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,880
the Navy and everything, he was able to clear his

1186
01:19:24,039 --> 01:19:27,640
name or whatever. But but yeah, they got the baby back.

1187
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness it was brought back. It sure does

1188
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,920
make you wonder what was behind all that. If that

1189
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:38,000
was the dog, mean that took the baby, why do that,

1190
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,000
and then why bring it back the way it was

1191
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:44,960
brought back in that better condition. They just do so

1192
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,000
many things that just doesn't make sense. Again, that is,

1193
01:19:48,079 --> 01:19:50,720
if it was a dog meam that did that, might've

1194
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,680
been a sasquatch or maybe some kook in the forest.

1195
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,800
It's hard to say. We didn't see what did that,

1196
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,520
so we'll never know for sure, but it does make

1197
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,199
you wonder. Nonetheless.

1198
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the mother what had happened is she it

1199
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,640
was the baby was in an upstairs bedroom, you know,

1200
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,119
like in its room, in a.

1201
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: Cradle on the wall furthest from the window, and the

1202
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,520
mother like came in the door and something was reaching

1203
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:25,359
in the window across like the whole room and like

1204
01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:29,039
pulling the baby out, you know, like she just saw

1205
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:32,039
it go out the window like as she came in

1206
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:36,279
kind of. So whatever it was, it had really long arms,

1207
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:39,760
and it was on the second floor, like it was

1208
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,399
standing on the ground, like reaching through a second story window.

1209
01:20:44,359 --> 01:20:45,840
Really long arm, whatever it was.

1210
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does cut down the possibilities, doesn't it. It does.

1211
01:20:52,319 --> 01:20:54,479
Before we move forward, I just want to put this

1212
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,600
out there. Should mark your calendars because this Tuesday, at

1213
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,800
nine pm Eastern time, I'm gonna hear a bonus episode

1214
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,520
of the show. If you've listened for any period of time,

1215
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,960
there's a good chance, you've heard a guest and eyewitness

1216
01:21:08,079 --> 01:21:11,239
named Kim come on and talk about a female dog man,

1217
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:16,279
a dog woman that she's seen twice on two separate occasions,

1218
01:21:16,319 --> 01:21:19,000
actually I think three times now, and she's named that

1219
01:21:19,079 --> 01:21:23,199
dog woman Emperor. Well, she had another sighting recently and

1220
01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:26,119
she's going to come on that Tuesday show, the special show,

1221
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,800
and update you on what she saw. And there is

1222
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:34,159
a very interesting twist to that sighting, to that encounter

1223
01:21:34,279 --> 01:21:38,680
that you definitely want to hear about. All right, Moving on,

1224
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:42,079
Jonathan Brown wants to know did you have any trouble

1225
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:46,319
sleeping after that experience, of course talking about the second encounter.

1226
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:54,359
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think so. You know, this was

1227
01:21:54,399 --> 01:21:59,640
almost ten years ago now, so I mean the experience

1228
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,920
was so I went tense. I mean that's what my

1229
01:22:03,039 --> 01:22:07,439
memory is of, but I don't really remember losing any

1230
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:11,119
sleep or having any nightmares about it. Actually just a

1231
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:15,279
night what was it the night after I talked to

1232
01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:19,960
you that I had my first dog man dream where

1233
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,159
I was in a room full of them and they

1234
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:28,000
weren't really being aggressive, but it was scary and I

1235
01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:31,840
had a real restless night. But other than that, I

1236
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,239
haven't really lost a whole lot of sleep about it.

1237
01:22:35,359 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you did have a restless night after having

1238
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:42,159
a dream like that. Yeah, that's not good at all.

1239
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,560
This next question is from M. J. Ashburn and they

1240
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,560
want to know about the eyeshine color. What the color

1241
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,319
was of the second one's eyes.

1242
01:22:54,560 --> 01:23:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just black. They were just black. Couldn't

1243
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:06,880
differentiate between a pupil and the iris or the you know,

1244
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:09,920
the surrounding what would normally be white. It starts with

1245
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:17,039
an ass, I can't remember. It was just all black. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1246
01:23:17,119 --> 01:23:20,319
everything was just black. I think I could kind of

1247
01:23:20,359 --> 01:23:22,560
see that shine like it was just kind of the

1248
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:28,079
same shine, like kind of a white shine like was

1249
01:23:28,119 --> 01:23:31,319
on the snout, you know, just kind of a glisten

1250
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,880
on the wetness of the eye that I could tell

1251
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,560
that it was moving. But that was really the only

1252
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:39,399
thing that I could even tell that it was like

1253
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:45,000
looking around, was kind of that that glisten was was

1254
01:23:45,079 --> 01:23:47,239
moving as it moved its eye. I could tell there

1255
01:23:47,359 --> 01:23:52,479
was movement, but it was just black. Yeah, black eyes.

1256
01:23:53,079 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 2: Well, like you said when you said that all you

1257
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,600
saw was black, just the whole door was just blacked out.

1258
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:03,279
You weren't kidding, were you? Yeah, yeah, when I say

1259
01:24:03,319 --> 01:24:07,760
you weren't. I've got another question for you from Kim Harris.

1260
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,399
She wants to know, are you afraid to hike in

1261
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:11,239
those woods now?

1262
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: No, but I definitely uh take it, you know, more

1263
01:24:20,039 --> 01:24:27,840
seriously than I did before. You know, just uh, I

1264
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,359
don't know if being armed really would help or whatever,

1265
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:35,079
but just uh, you know, in your mind, being prepared,

1266
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:41,159
being aware, and and you're just making sure that you

1267
01:24:41,359 --> 01:24:45,399
move with respect and you know, keep keep your mind

1268
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,520
right is what I kind of tell myself, you know,

1269
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,239
don't don't be a slouch and just you know, not

1270
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,359
not check your back trail or anything like that. You know,

1271
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:59,199
keep I feel like like maybe you can gain a

1272
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:01,560
little bit of a versus or at least not their

1273
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,800
disrespect if you're you know, treat the forest with respect

1274
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:12,479
and carry yourself more like a like a warrior or

1275
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:16,720
a you know, just just not a soft, you know,

1276
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:21,560
city human. So I just try to try to be

1277
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:25,039
have the right mindset.

1278
01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 2: I guess, well, it definitely doesn't hurt. It's been said

1279
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,439
by people where there's one lady in particular who seem

1280
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:35,199
to have a pretty good relationship with a group of them,

1281
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:41,680
and she told me that they appreciate bravery but not

1282
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,239
being pompous at the same time. So yeah, maybe that

1283
01:25:45,239 --> 01:25:49,800
would help by taking that mindset. It just might. And

1284
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:54,239
Bang Bang just donated. It made a nice donation, Bang Bang,

1285
01:25:54,279 --> 01:25:57,239
I really appreciate it. And earlier on I think I

1286
01:25:57,359 --> 01:26:00,760
made a comment making it seems like I thought you

1287
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,119
were a man. If I did, I apologize. I saw

1288
01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:07,399
a comment where you said you're actually a lady. So yeah, again,

1289
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,479
if I did that, I apologize, didn't mean to do that.

1290
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,359
This next question, and this is the last one for

1291
01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:17,600
the night, is from I in conzoll And. Ian wants

1292
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,279
to know did you have a gun? Did you think

1293
01:26:20,319 --> 01:26:20,880
to use it?

1294
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 1: I didn't. I think I think David maybe had a

1295
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:34,920
shotgun and somewhere in the house, but it never even

1296
01:26:36,119 --> 01:26:40,279
crossed my mind. I mean I was so I think.

1297
01:26:40,359 --> 01:26:43,560
I think after the fact, after it had left, you know,

1298
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:45,399
I was kind of like I wish I had a

1299
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,439
gun or something, you know, But in the moment, you know,

1300
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,840
there was no thought like I couldn't even stand up,

1301
01:26:53,079 --> 01:26:57,039
like I couldn't go get a gun or anything like that.

1302
01:26:57,199 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 4: It was.

1303
01:27:00,399 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, it had me.

1304
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:08,239
Speaker 3: Yes I did, and I think after the fact, I

1305
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,800
knew that it had had had me if it wanted me,

1306
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,840
you know, already, So I guess I just.

1307
01:27:16,279 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 1: Didn't really see any reason for it to come back,

1308
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,600
you know, like it could have just done whatever then

1309
01:27:22,079 --> 01:27:27,479
and it didn't. So I just really wasn't I just

1310
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,560
didn't really feel like it was going to come back.

1311
01:27:31,359 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 2: Wells, could you realize that it could have done whatever

1312
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,560
wanted to you but it didn't. Yeah, that's the most

1313
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,960
important thing to take away. Well for us, I can't

1314
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,239
thank you enough for coming on and sharing the details

1315
01:27:42,279 --> 01:27:45,199
of those encounters with us and answering all these questions.

1316
01:27:45,319 --> 01:27:46,439
I really appreciate it.

1317
01:27:49,039 --> 01:27:51,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thanks for having me. I mean, I know,

1318
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,560
I don't have the most definitive experience, you know, I

1319
01:27:55,640 --> 01:28:00,239
mostly saw a black shape, you know, but you know,

1320
01:28:00,279 --> 01:28:03,119
I just I just wanted to add my voice to

1321
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:07,159
everybody else's just I figure the more people who come

1322
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:11,640
out and tell their experience, the easier it is for

1323
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:15,039
the people who are really traumatized to be able to

1324
01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:18,720
get some support and feel safe, you know, opening up

1325
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:19,479
the other people.

1326
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,119
Speaker 2: Well, it's awfully nice for you to come on and

1327
01:28:23,119 --> 01:28:26,079
do this and for you to feel that way I'm impressed.

1328
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,279
And please remember, if down the road you do start

1329
01:28:29,319 --> 01:28:32,119
to have trouble, I'm not going anywhere I have to

1330
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:35,239
do with Just let me know and by all means,

1331
01:28:35,279 --> 01:28:37,920
we'll talk. I'll find out what's troubling you and we'll

1332
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:38,720
take it from there.

1333
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: Oh. Well, that that that that's good to know for sure. Yeah,

1334
01:28:46,119 --> 01:28:48,600
it's good. It's good to have h I know there's

1335
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,399
no experts, but it's good to have someone who talks

1336
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,560
to so many people to be able to reach out

1337
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,680
to with questions and and all that.

1338
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,079
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, that's why I'll be there for you if

1339
01:29:01,079 --> 01:29:04,640
you ever need me. But having said that, like I said,

1340
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,079
thanks against so much for your time and hope you

1341
01:29:07,079 --> 01:29:07,760
have a great night.

1342
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 1: Okay, you too, Vick.

1343
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 2: Thanks, we'll see you bye bye. Well that's another one

1344
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,760
in the books. Thanks again, as always so much for listening.

1345
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,199
You know I appreciate it. And please keep in mind

1346
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:25,439
if you've had an encounter of your own or encounters plural,

1347
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:28,119
if you want to speak with me about it in private,

1348
01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:29,880
or if you want to come on the show and

1349
01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:32,640
do you like Forrest did and all the other guests

1350
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,479
have and put it out there for the listeners, all

1351
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:38,439
you need to do is to go to Dogmanencounters dot

1352
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,640
com submit a report, and if you do that, if

1353
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,880
you fully complete the report, then I'll be more than

1354
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:48,119
happy to contact you and schedule a lengthy phone conversation

1355
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:50,279
with you to find out what happened to you and

1356
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,000
we'll just take it from there. But having said that,

1357
01:29:54,079 --> 01:29:56,960
thanks against so much everyone for listening and hope you

1358
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:32,760
have a great night an even better weekend.

1359
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: US