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Speaker 1: Fay, Hey, bobs, what's happening to Mannamouccho just had fireballs
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Speaker 4: That was cool? You know it was a more sob mean,
Speaker 4: the celebration of life was awesome. It was like a
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Speaker 4: funeral mass was a lot more you know, it's a
Speaker 4: it's a more solemn occasion for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how's your mom holding up?
Speaker 4: She's really she's really bummed. She's she's taking it tough,
Speaker 4: but she's she's pretty resilient, she's pretty mentally tough. So's
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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, raising the bobs will make it resilient, better, perish,
Speaker 1: very good. Well, Yeah, I don't have much to say
Speaker 1: of it this past week. You know, I've been out
Speaker 1: to the wood still everything snowed in. Hopefully next week
Speaker 1: we'll get out. But so you got that going on.
Speaker 1: I pretty much have nothing, but we also have a
Speaker 1: fantastic guest on the line. Maybe we should hop over there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bring them in, Bobes.
Speaker 4: All right, folks, tonight we got visiting with us Steve Coles,
Speaker 4: the squatch Detective. He's a famous hoax buster of the
Speaker 4: Bigfoot variety. He's a private investigator, and he's got some
Speaker 4: new books coming out. So welcome aboard, Steve.
Speaker 1: Steve Man, thanks so much for coming back on Bigfoot
Speaker 1: and Beyond with all of us.
Speaker 5: Well, thanks for having me. It's my honor to be on.
Speaker 4: Guys. Hey, Steve, thanks for joining us. Man.
Speaker 5: Hey, Bobs, what's going on? Good to hear from you.
Speaker 4: You too, looking forward to hear what you got to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in all sorts of right now, Steve, I mean,
Speaker 1: my gosh, you have three books coming out, you're doing
Speaker 1: all sorts of analyzes with AI. I mean, and plus
Speaker 1: you're a real you're kind of a squatchy guy to
Speaker 1: begin with. So where do you want to start? What
Speaker 1: do you want to talk about?
Speaker 4: First?
Speaker 5: Well, let's let's talk about the books that are coming out.
Speaker 5: That probably be a good, good place, because that was
Speaker 5: really the start of.
Speaker 1: It, and you have three books coming out. All of
Speaker 1: them are going to be released in the next month
Speaker 1: or two in March in April. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Yep, I got one coming out March first, the other
Speaker 5: one will be coming out March fifteenth, and the last
Speaker 5: one will be April fifth.
Speaker 1: Whoa what do you think, Bobs? Who should be a
Speaker 1: chronological order?
Speaker 4: Yeah? That sounds good to be. This is exciting. It's
Speaker 4: it's like a Netflix mini series or you know, every
Speaker 4: week you get a new one. Youdo, you get all excited.
Speaker 1: So okay, So Steve, the first book, what is it
Speaker 1: called and what is it about?
Speaker 5: The first book coming out is called Bigfoot of Scientific Examination.
Speaker 5: And basically what I did was I crafted a book
Speaker 5: written of four forty nine separate scientific papers, abstracts, data,
Speaker 5: and they're broken up into basically three types of sections.
Speaker 5: The biological and physiological papers, social science papers, and case studies.
Speaker 5: And well, actually section four is furthering research and there's
Speaker 5: papers on how to how we can further our Bigfoot research.
Speaker 5: But they, you know, the biological section, you know, contains
Speaker 5: papers such as the prim primate Hypothesis, hummin and Evolution
Speaker 5: and Implications talks about, you know, scientific paper on olafactory
Speaker 5: capabilities and nesting behaviors and vision stuff like that. The
Speaker 5: social science papers talk about things like the cultural impact
Speaker 5: of bigfoot, bigfoot like in religious and spiritual context, cognitive bias,
Speaker 5: media influence of the seventies and eighties, and one of
Speaker 5: the more important ones the failure of mainstream science to
Speaker 5: examine the Bigfoot mystery. And then in section four, I
Speaker 5: do a bunch of case studies on like doctor Hendr
Speaker 5: Fahrenbach's status report, the Skookum cast. I do a study
Speaker 5: on a case study of Ray Wallace and stuff like
Speaker 5: the hairy Man Glyfts three showed tracks, and you know,
Speaker 5: I take a look at some of that, and of
Speaker 5: course furthering research, I talk about, you know, ways to
Speaker 5: proper locate the species, sound strategies, evidence collection, and you know,
Speaker 5: track casting and leveraging artificial intelligence to help us assist
Speaker 5: in some of our research.
Speaker 1: Programs, assist instead of hinder, I suppose, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all three of your books are following this format,
Speaker 5: like not really. The first book is strictly a lot
Speaker 5: of scientific papers in it, and I do have some
Speaker 5: introductory caveats in there. In an epilogue, but it's sourced
Speaker 5: with two hundred and seventy five plus sources of different scientists.
Speaker 5: There's an appendix that has the charts that I use
Speaker 5: in the book and has charts of an updated I
Speaker 5: actually took doctor Henter Fahrenbach's charts and I updated them
Speaker 5: to look more modern and more graphically appealing as well.
Speaker 5: So there was a number of things I did in
Speaker 5: this particular book. It's indexed, it's got a great broken
Speaker 5: down table context. The next two books are written more
Speaker 5: in book format, and like the book coming out on
Speaker 5: March fifteenth as The squad Sectim's Guide to Bigfoot Investigations,
Speaker 5: and that is a book basically just step by step
Speaker 5: how to conduct a proper interview of a witness, how
Speaker 5: to set the room up for a proper per interview
Speaker 5: or the scene for a proper interview, what to look
Speaker 5: for when interviewing somebody, evidence collection guidelines, casting guides, you know,
Speaker 5: the whole nines with that.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: The last book is what would Sasquatch Do? Volume two,
Speaker 5: which is all about primate behavior in relation to bigfoot
Speaker 5: behavior and how they are similar and and you know
Speaker 5: you'll see some of the parallels in there and what
Speaker 5: that means for bigfoot research.
Speaker 1: So kind of building on what doctor Bindernogel did in
Speaker 1: his first book, maybe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. Mine is really deep into primatology. You know,
Speaker 5: I talk about you know, the in that when I
Speaker 5: talk about the Great Apes and their different types of behaviors,
Speaker 5: their modalities there they're how you know, how they they
Speaker 5: habituate areas, how they eat, how they sleep, how they
Speaker 5: mate even and what that means for big with sightings
Speaker 5: and relating the known sightings using witness testimonies to see
Speaker 5: if it correlates with the Great Apes and it just
Speaker 5: so happens that they do.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, yeah, I think that'd be an obvious one, right,
Speaker 1: But the specifically is where we get to the thing
Speaker 1: that I find most interesting, like how they correlate. Well,
Speaker 1: let's see. Let's see, so let's go back to the
Speaker 1: first book for a minute, because we're talking chronologically here
Speaker 1: the scientific examination. You say that you looked at forty
Speaker 1: nine different scholarly articles, right, like papers written about specifically
Speaker 1: about sasquatches or did you go outside of the lines
Speaker 1: there and look into palaeoanthropology and hominins and that sort
Speaker 1: of thing.
Speaker 4: As well.
Speaker 5: No, I actually wrote the papers myself.
Speaker 1: Oh you wrote the papers. I thought you were referencing papers.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I've actually written forty nine separate papers in
Speaker 5: that book. You know, for example, it starts off with
Speaker 5: a comprehensive scientific profile with Bigfoot, and you know, it
Speaker 5: talks about anatomy and emotion, oral and olafactory capabilities, behavioral characteristics,
Speaker 5: nesting behaviors, communication, ego, you know, ecological adaptations, you know,
Speaker 5: evolutionary hypothesies, you know, evidence and research that's been done,
Speaker 5: hypothetical behavioral strategies. And that's just the first paper. And
Speaker 5: it breaks it down and it's references numbers of work
Speaker 5: across multidisciplinary sciences. So you know, in some in some papers,
Speaker 5: you know, we're referencing paleo you know, paleo anthropology. In
Speaker 5: other papers, we're referencing primatology. In other papers, we have
Speaker 5: references to sociology. You know, depending on where where the
Speaker 5: paper lies and what references I used to you know,
Speaker 5: basically support what I was writing.
Speaker 4: How physically bigger? How many words are pages?
Speaker 1: Are they?
Speaker 5: Well? The first book out as four hundred and two pages.
Speaker 4: Well, I was going to say maybe a lot of
Speaker 4: stuff off like your covers, I figure they got to
Speaker 4: be thick, like a Webster's diction or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the next two books really aren't as thick, although
Speaker 5: they are very well referenced as well, But they're very
Speaker 5: narrow focused topics. You know, when you write a book
Speaker 5: about investigation, how much can you really write about conducting
Speaker 5: an investigation. It's just a guide book basically, when you're
Speaker 5: writing about primate behavior. I was looking for very specific
Speaker 5: type of things when it comes to that. So I
Speaker 5: think the Guide to Investigations rounded out to about one
Speaker 5: hundred and five pages. What would Sasquatch two Volume two
Speaker 5: rounded up to about one hundred and thirty one hundred
Speaker 5: and thirty five pages.
Speaker 1: And all these books will be available, how well, they'll all.
Speaker 5: Be available on Amazon as they get released that unfortunately,
Speaker 5: Amazon doesn't give me the links ahead of time before
Speaker 5: they go live, but they'll also be for the first time,
Speaker 5: I'm actually releasing books in not only paperback form, but
Speaker 5: hardcover as well.
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool for us hardcore book collectors.
Speaker 5: And I actually readed my last two books to include
Speaker 5: hardcod for editions, which was The Sasquatch Playbook, and of
Speaker 5: course last year, the Psychology of Bigfoot. Again, that was
Speaker 5: about one hundred and fifty four pages in a very
Speaker 5: narrow scope. I was looking at the psychology of bigfoot witnesses,
Speaker 5: and you know, and the amazing thing when I wrote
Speaker 5: that book, it lurks right into well, why don't we
Speaker 5: have that much photographic evidence? And it lurks to write
Speaker 5: into it because there's a lot of psychological reasons why
Speaker 5: we don't have a lot of photographic evidence.
Speaker 1: On the human side of things. Correct, Yes, gotcha, And
Speaker 1: what are some of those reasons that you found?
Speaker 5: Well, again, when you look at a big foot. When
Speaker 5: somebody sees a bigfoot and it's not in their wheelhouse,
Speaker 5: the mind kind of stutters a bit. You know, aside
Speaker 5: from all the machinations of the limbic system which controls
Speaker 5: our flight or fight response, you know, our bodily functions,
Speaker 5: our respiration, all that wonderful fun stuff. Now think about it.
Speaker 5: You're seeing something, so your mind's trying to catalog when
Speaker 5: am I looking at So that causes a delay, and
Speaker 5: sometimes that will cause people to have post traumatic regression
Speaker 5: where all the bigfoot was there and then it just
Speaker 5: disappeared because their mind is actually removing that traumatic event
Speaker 5: to them. It depends again, a lot of it depends
Speaker 5: on the person. It also depends on the type of
Speaker 5: sighting as well. You know, if somebody's really close to
Speaker 5: one and they're ten feet away, that can be pretty traumatic.
Speaker 5: So the mind actually, like car accident victims won't remember
Speaker 5: sometimes after the point of impact, after a trauma because
Speaker 5: their mind purposely regresses that memory to save it from
Speaker 5: the pain. You know, we see that a lot of
Speaker 5: times in children that are victims of trauma as well.
Speaker 5: They blank that out as they get older. So it's
Speaker 5: it's really a number of things. But getting back to
Speaker 5: the photograph question, mind you, now you have to calmly
Speaker 5: and coolly. You know, people think that well, all these phones,
Speaker 5: you would think that there would be pictures. Well that's
Speaker 5: the problem. Phones are not point and shoot. They're you know,
Speaker 5: open up the phone, swipe, get your app up, put
Speaker 5: it out there, and then put your finger on the
Speaker 5: button and take a picture. So there's a lot of
Speaker 5: processes to a phone to a camera phone. Whereas the
Speaker 5: old day, the the the old you know, where it
Speaker 5: was just point and click maybe focus. Now everything is
Speaker 5: auto focused, and that adds yet another layer of complication
Speaker 5: because if you're filming something in the woods, that first
Speaker 5: item that's there, that first tree with your camera, so
Speaker 5: auto focus is going to be zooming in on. So
Speaker 5: that's another reason why you'll get blurry photographs.
Speaker 4: Right right.
Speaker 1: So let's take a look at that second book, which
Speaker 1: I find pretty interesting because I'm very much an evidence
Speaker 1: kind of guy, and this is kind of walking people
Speaker 1: what they can do to be better investigators. It sounds
Speaker 1: like pretty much. And you have a tremendous amount of
Speaker 1: experience with dealing with people in general because you've been
Speaker 1: a private detective for so long and like he's an investigator,
Speaker 1: the squash detective, and you've been on just countless investigations yourself.
Speaker 1: What are some of the key points for bigfoot researchers
Speaker 1: when they're interviewing a witness. What are some of the
Speaker 1: key points that you're hoping they'll take away from your book?
Speaker 5: Well, number one, how to properly conduct an interview where
Speaker 5: you're putting your witness at ease. How to build a
Speaker 5: baseline with the witness, because when you sit down with
Speaker 5: the witness, you just don't get into okay, what did
Speaker 5: you say? You know you want to talk to that person,
Speaker 5: get to know them a little bit, see how they
Speaker 5: answer true questions. For example, you know, okay, so how
Speaker 5: long you've been living here? Where you're from originally? You know,
Speaker 5: we have a wife, have kids? Oh really, what do
Speaker 5: you do for a living? You're getting honest answers. They
Speaker 5: have no reason to distort any of that, So you're
Speaker 5: getting a baseline read of how they answer questions truthfully.
Speaker 5: So then when you get into the story of itself,
Speaker 5: if they start deviating from what you've seen from you know,
Speaker 5: other questions, that that could give you a flag or
Speaker 5: a gut feeling that something isn't quite right here.
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Speaker 1: Very interesting, now, one of the things you mentioned when
Speaker 1: you were kind of giving us the overview of these
Speaker 1: books here a minute ago, was how to set up
Speaker 1: the room for an interview. Sure, that's something that's never
Speaker 1: occurred to me, so laid on us.
Speaker 5: So I'll give you a good example. Is that number one,
Speaker 5: you want to have a setting where there's no distractions,
Speaker 5: so you know, being on a front porch really not
Speaker 5: a good good place to be for a good interview.
Speaker 5: Do you want to obtain your PREMI to record the interview?
Speaker 5: You want to maintain again, maintain an atmosphere with little distraction.
Speaker 5: But you don't want to put a barrier like you know,
Speaker 5: sitting on one side of a desk and having the
Speaker 5: person sitting on the or a table and having the
Speaker 5: person sitting on another side of the table. That's not
Speaker 5: a good idea. You don't want to have any barriers.
Speaker 5: So I prefer to sit chair to chair and you know,
Speaker 5: not have items in front of me. All that often
Speaker 5: I want to kind of be open and that way
Speaker 5: that openness, you can look at their openness with not
Speaker 5: having a table in front of you. So you see
Speaker 5: a lot. You know, from a forensic interviewing standpoint, there's
Speaker 5: things that when you start talking to people, start asking
Speaker 5: him questions, you'll see tells like tapping feet what we
Speaker 5: call the fig leaf, where you know it's just ingrained
Speaker 5: in us that sometimes somebody is getting really defensive. They'll
Speaker 5: actually drop their hands into their groin area and that's
Speaker 5: what they call the fake leaf, and that's a sign
Speaker 5: of being defensive or crossing their arms. But you know
Speaker 5: the fig leafing and tapping of the feet is you know,
Speaker 5: you put a table between yourself, that barrier, you're going
Speaker 5: to miss that cue. At the same point in time,
Speaker 5: you don't want to put a barrier because uh, that
Speaker 5: represents you know, opposition. You want to have a nice
Speaker 5: open seating. You're trying to maintain openness. So it's just
Speaker 5: little things like that.
Speaker 4: So you're telling me that those late night talk show
Speaker 4: hosts are doing it all wrong. Having a desk there
Speaker 4: were trying to get the info out of the guests.
Speaker 5: Well, if you ever if you ever notice a lot
Speaker 5: of the talk show hosts they kind of sit off
Speaker 5: to the Like Letterman was really great. He would slide
Speaker 5: over to actually almost get chair to chair with the
Speaker 5: because that the desk is at an angle, they're not
Speaker 5: sitting perpendicular one another. So that was kind of more
Speaker 5: of like the desk is between him and the audience,
Speaker 5: not necessarily him and his guest. It's they're kind of
Speaker 5: side by side a bit. So that's a little bit different.
Speaker 5: I was just speaking of a joke, Yeah, but no,
Speaker 5: there there's actually a a psychology behind the way they
Speaker 5: set those those desks up.
Speaker 4: I was on Colin O'Brien and it was so weird.
Speaker 4: It was the strangest conversation because I was sitting ahead
Speaker 4: of him and I had to like look back. He
Speaker 4: was sitting kind of behind me to the side a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 5: Right. Well, you know, you're a tall guy. He's he's
Speaker 5: an immensely tall person, isn't he.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got that guy's got to int his in
Speaker 4: Memborle index is pretty non human. I'd say that guy
Speaker 4: has what you see it in person. He's an odd
Speaker 4: looking d He's got like a real short torso and
Speaker 4: like really long arms and legs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and that that's again that's primar primate dimorphisism.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's why it's no surprise that we have
Speaker 5: different you know, we have different chimpanzees that are different sizes.
Speaker 5: We have different gorillas that that that come in different
Speaker 5: shapes and sizes, orangutan and we you know, sasquatch as well.
Speaker 4: So when you're talking about the interview people, I think
Speaker 4: we talked about the last time you were on, but
Speaker 4: I think they've changed a lot of stuff now about
Speaker 4: like those tells about if they look to the leaf
Speaker 4: or look to the right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the more of the tells are more in what's
Speaker 5: the what's going on with the eyebrows and the brow ridge,
Speaker 5: And it's not so much about where the eyes necessarily
Speaker 5: focus on because there are you know, there's three types
Speaker 5: of receivers. There's there's the people that look, there's the
Speaker 5: people that listen, and there's the people that feel or touch.
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm famous for being a listener. I
Speaker 5: can listen to things and absorb them very easily. I
Speaker 5: don't need it, necessarily need to see it, but I
Speaker 5: need to hear it. There are people that need to
Speaker 5: see things to absorb and you know, and then there's
Speaker 5: people that need to touch or feel And if you
Speaker 5: ever get in the conversation, you know, with me, sometimes
Speaker 5: I'm always kind of looking around. That was because of
Speaker 5: my profession, because I was I always had my head
Speaker 5: on a swivel, So you may not get a lot
Speaker 5: of eye contact from me all the time, especially if
Speaker 5: there's a lot of distractions going on. Conversely, you have
Speaker 5: people that you know that will always like when they
Speaker 5: talk to you, they touch your arm or they put
Speaker 5: your hand on their shoulder, and you know, they'll they'll
Speaker 5: make statements like do you feel me? You know, so
Speaker 5: you get those So based on those three types of receptors,
Speaker 5: that eye contact stuff isn't always necessarily prone. What you
Speaker 5: need to look for is like eye closing and eye blinking,
Speaker 5: Like if you ask a stressful question and somebody is
Speaker 5: telling you a lie, you'll, you know, sometimes they get
Speaker 5: into a rapid blink mode and they'll blink their eyes
Speaker 5: four or five times faster than they have been during
Speaker 5: normal questioning, which is why it's so important to establish
Speaker 5: that baseline.
Speaker 4: So if you're going to try to fool like an interrogator,
Speaker 4: investigator or something you get like some botox shots of
Speaker 4: lower forehead. Keep your eyebrows study.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well exactly. One of the interesting things that a
Speaker 5: body language is people that will force their eyebrows up
Speaker 5: and it creates quite the crinkle on their brow. But
Speaker 5: that is something if you can picture that, think of
Speaker 5: a little child getting caught in the cookie jar. I
Speaker 5: didn't take that cookie right, and their eyebrows are sticking
Speaker 5: straight up, you know, as high as they can be.
Speaker 5: And that's something to look out for. When people say
Speaker 5: I saw a bigfoot, you know, they're generally the people
Speaker 5: that have really seen a big photo was like, listen,
Speaker 5: I've seen a bigfoot, and they'll just tell you a
Speaker 5: plain matter of fact. They try not to convince you.
Speaker 5: And then the other thing I talk about too is
Speaker 5: you know it's gott to psychologically makes sense. It doesn't
Speaker 5: make sense if you know. Like one of the point
Speaker 5: blank ones is that Mississippi SKUNKCPE video that was circulating
Speaker 5: that turned out actually it was made for a television series.
Speaker 5: The you know, all of a sudden, the guy's filming
Speaker 5: for like thirty five seconds and then he turns and
Speaker 5: runs away. Well, there was no reason for him to
Speaker 5: turn and run away at that particular point. It psychologically
Speaker 5: made no sense. So you look at types of things,
Speaker 5: it's kind of like the bigfoot behind a tree and
Speaker 5: the parent has a child next to them and they, oh, look,
Speaker 5: there's a big foot. No, if you've seen something like that,
Speaker 5: the first thing you would want to do is protect
Speaker 5: that child, get him out of there.
Speaker 4: I thought that Mississippi one was real.
Speaker 5: Now it turns out that was made for a television
Speaker 5: series called Beasts of the Bayou and it aired in
Speaker 5: their first episode, and the gentleman that was supposedly the
Speaker 5: witness was named Josh high Cliff. Now I got on
Speaker 5: my private investigation database and could not find any living
Speaker 5: person named Josh high Cliff. But when I Google searched him,
Speaker 5: I found him that he was a character in the
Speaker 5: Beast of the Bayou and he was actually portrayed by
Speaker 5: an actor. And just to show you how phony it is,
Speaker 5: they actually blurred the actor's face out when they interviewed
Speaker 5: Josh high Cliff. So they you know, why, why if
Speaker 5: he was an actor or being portrayed by an actor,
Speaker 5: why would you need to blur the face out? They
Speaker 5: did it because it was all fake and somebody actually
Speaker 5: talked to the actor and he says, yeah, that was
Speaker 5: all fake. That was made for the for the television series.
Speaker 4: I was thinking of a different one. I was stinking
Speaker 4: to the one where the things like squatted down in
Speaker 4: a swamp and tear turn up like a dead tree
Speaker 4: stump or.
Speaker 5: Something, and that's the one. That is the one.
Speaker 4: So they released out way before the show came the
Speaker 4: episode came out.
Speaker 5: They released it about four months before the episode came out. Okay, okay,
Speaker 5: And the actual Josh high Cliff, if you look at
Speaker 5: his Facebook page, that's the only post he really made.
Speaker 5: His YouTube page, same thing, only post he ever made,
Speaker 5: and he made one other post on crypto window just
Speaker 5: pointing to it. They were trying to generate like this
Speaker 5: social media buzz about the video. So when the show
Speaker 5: came up, but it's very much like a you know,
Speaker 5: was put out by Discovery and it was at the
Speaker 5: same time Mountain Monsters was running, and it was kind
Speaker 5: of the characters in it were kind of like a
Speaker 5: Bayou version of Mountain Monsters.
Speaker 4: Okay, I never saw Yeah, So what was what was
Speaker 4: the next phase of your book?
Speaker 5: The investigations well after the investigation one is what would
Speaker 5: Sasquatch Do? Volume two, which looks at primate behavior and
Speaker 5: their living modalities in comparison to in comparison to sasquatch
Speaker 5: and the reports that we've gotten over the years, and
Speaker 5: it kind of builds the base that we actually do
Speaker 5: know a lot about what a sasquatch should be able
Speaker 5: to do and shouldn't be able to do. And all
Speaker 5: we have to do is look at the great apes,
Speaker 5: including ourselves, and of course we are in our own
Speaker 5: little category. But if you look at the Estralla Estralla, Pitthezenes,
Speaker 5: and the art of Pithazenes and even paranthropists which kind
Speaker 5: of allegedly died off at one point, they all share
Speaker 5: characteristics with a sasquatch, but they all share universal characteristics.
Speaker 5: For example, if you look at well, we all have territory.
Speaker 5: You know, Homo sapiens call it their home or their yards,
Speaker 5: you know, their property. But chimpanzees have territories, and ranks
Speaker 5: have territories. Billy apes, bonobos and gorillas, they all have territories.
Speaker 5: We all have folk gy activity areas, which as areas
Speaker 5: we do things in such as feeding or eating or
Speaker 5: mating and uh, you know for some animals. But you
Speaker 5: know if for us, an example of our folky areas
Speaker 5: would be like malls and stores and schools and places
Speaker 5: of employment, and we all have home ranges, and that's
Speaker 5: the area within it normally we travel to on any
Speaker 5: given day. So like for myself, I travel to work,
Speaker 5: I come back home. I may go to the store,
Speaker 5: I may go to the mall. That's kind of my range.
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily go out of that range, only on
Speaker 5: specific times and when I'm doing something. So and again
Speaker 5: that's universal to all primates. Now, the interesting thing is
Speaker 5: is the behaviors within these areas vary by area, but
Speaker 5: not by primates. Primates all have the same typical behavior
Speaker 5: in these areas. For example, in a home range, you know,
Speaker 5: you will not get a lot of conflict, you will
Speaker 5: not get a lot you'll pass by one another with
Speaker 5: little or no interaction. And think about the roadside crossings.
Speaker 5: Thinks about people walking in the forest and they come
Speaker 5: across one and it kind of just looks at them
Speaker 5: and does a walk off. That's an example of home range.
Speaker 5: Then you have to the other extreme, you have the
Speaker 5: territorial behavior. Now if a primate encounters a primeate of
Speaker 5: in other species, it will do it will show a
Speaker 5: big display, it will act up, it will shake trees,
Speaker 5: it will throw rocks, it will vocalize, it will beat
Speaker 5: its chest, depending on which particular grade epe you're talking about. Now,
Speaker 5: think about people going into areas of the forest where
Speaker 5: they're screamed at and have rocks aggressively thrown at them,
Speaker 5: and they go to leave and then they feel like
Speaker 5: they're being paralleled, they're stalked as they're leaving the area.
Speaker 5: Those are all great signs of territorial primate behavior. You know,
Speaker 5: There's even been reports just as squat shaking trees to intimidate,
Speaker 5: so that's huge.
Speaker 4: And then finally that's probably the most common. That's probably
Speaker 4: the most common, probably right, you.
Speaker 5: Know, hard to say, I think vocalizing and physically yeah,
Speaker 5: but physically shaking those trees is a big And then
Speaker 5: finally you have the folky of activity areas, which it
Speaker 5: depends on what the activity is. And the best way
Speaker 5: I can describe it is think about our behaviors. You know,
Speaker 5: if we're at the mall, our behavior is pretty much
Speaker 5: the same as our home range. Right, It's all kind
Speaker 5: of But if we're in a school and somebody enters
Speaker 5: that school that doesn't belong there, our behavior is going
Speaker 5: to be a lot different. So it depends on what
Speaker 5: type of activity is going on that And again this
Speaker 5: is across the board for all primates. So and guess
Speaker 5: what it all correlates with. People report in sasquat sidings.
Speaker 5: So I think scientifically, or at least from an investigator standpoint,
Speaker 5: their moo meets exactly the same as other great apes.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 1: Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 5: I took it from a primatology, not necessarily a biology
Speaker 5: approach like a field biology. When I took it from
Speaker 5: a primatology approach and a behavioral approach makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a great way of a size should
Speaker 4: approach it.
Speaker 5: Well. The reason why is is if you want, if
Speaker 5: you think about it, these areas, you will get more
Speaker 5: recidivism or in case people don't know what that is,
Speaker 5: it's a chance of encounter, multiple encounters. You will get
Speaker 5: a higher residivism rate in your territory. And there's a
Speaker 5: sub area of the home range called the core area
Speaker 5: so you know, you will get higher recidivism in those
Speaker 5: in FokI areas activity areas, you will get recidivism for
Speaker 5: a certain period of time and then it will die off.
Speaker 5: And again that's very consistent with sasquad reports too.
Speaker 4: So are you mostly like you're out in the field
Speaker 4: yourself so much?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Is you even just focus like sitting down and writing
Speaker 4: or have you still getting out in the field.
Speaker 5: But in New York that's what we do. During the wintertime,
Speaker 5: My research areas are pretty much shut down by our
Speaker 5: d C Department of Environmental Conservation because they don't they
Speaker 5: don't fix the roads until after the winter. So I'm
Speaker 5: sure there's trees down in the roads, there's ice, there's snow.
Speaker 5: They don't ow the areas and they don't want anybody
Speaker 5: going in there and getting trapped, and you know, then
Speaker 5: they got to do rescues and all that fun stuff,
Speaker 5: So they close those attack. My area is gated and
Speaker 5: put it with a padlock until you know, they take
Speaker 5: care of the roads and trim up the fallen trees
Speaker 5: and et cetera. The roads and making sure the roads
Speaker 5: are safe and not going to collapse because of landslides
Speaker 5: or anything like that. So, yeah, so there's a lot
Speaker 5: you know, the only time I'll go out of somebody
Speaker 5: has an active report during the wintertime. And really you
Speaker 5: think about you know, there was years I used to
Speaker 5: do that. I used to go out in the wintertime.
Speaker 5: I'm an old guy. Now I'm an older guy. That
Speaker 5: we put it that way. I don't want to spin
Speaker 5: my wheels and be miserable out there, you know, if
Speaker 5: need be, I go out. But you know, we're on
Speaker 5: the cusp of March coming up, and then April I
Speaker 5: start gearing up because then they'll start opening up the
Speaker 5: areas and then I'll be back out in the field
Speaker 5: in April, you know as well. And then we take June, July,
Speaker 5: and part of August off because it gets really buggy
Speaker 5: and it gets miserable anyway, And if you think about it,
Speaker 5: in New York, are our main months for big foot
Speaker 5: sightings or September and October.
Speaker 4: Yes, those are the prime months for a lot of
Speaker 4: North America.
Speaker 5: Yep. And I you know, interestingly, I've been leveraging, you know,
Speaker 5: talking about practicing what I preach. I've been leveraging AI
Speaker 5: and I got something coming out real soon. I used
Speaker 5: AI to scrub all of the or many of the
Speaker 5: databases that exist on the web, and it came up
Speaker 5: with stats of things like what state Bigfoot seeing the most,
Speaker 5: and by what percentage, what time of day they're seeing
Speaker 5: the most, what month they're seeing the most, what color
Speaker 5: they are, and what was the weather during those stings.
Speaker 5: And the beautiful thing about AI is that you can
Speaker 5: do years of research within weeks now, and I think
Speaker 5: a proper use of it. It's not ever going to
Speaker 5: find Bigfoot, but it can certainly guide you in the
Speaker 5: right path, and it can give you insight rather than
Speaker 5: you know that it may pull out some things like
Speaker 5: I didn't know until today that Massachusetts in Pennsylvania, you know,
Speaker 5: all have the same peak months. Well, Massachusetts a little
Speaker 5: bit different, but Pennsylvania and New York have the same
Speaker 5: peak months for sasquat sightings. Massachusetts is slightly different, but
Speaker 5: not by much. Like in New York and Pennsylvania, the
Speaker 5: peak sighting months or September and October. In Massachusetts, it
Speaker 5: was August in September, So I found that quite interesting
Speaker 5: that they have more of a peak in August than
Speaker 5: we do here in New York.
Speaker 1: So with these timelines of sightings and whatnot. Did you
Speaker 1: do any correlation to hunting season?
Speaker 5: I have not yet. I mean literally, this information I
Speaker 5: just cultivated within twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: No pun intended, I cultivated.
Speaker 5: Culstivated, culstivated, right, but literally, that's how quick you can
Speaker 5: get this information out now. AI is such an incredible
Speaker 5: tool of used properly.
Speaker 1: Which platform of a are you using?
Speaker 5: I use a multitude of them. I use chat GBT
Speaker 5: for some things, and I actually have the professional version
Speaker 5: of chat GPT, and it's phenomenal for you know, researching
Speaker 5: scientific papers and articles, I use Claude AI, and for
Speaker 5: website extrapolation in data mining, I use grock, which is
Speaker 5: the excess platform. And I'll tell you what. I was
Speaker 5: blown away how thorough Grock and web scrub. I was like, wow,
Speaker 5: I mean just like tons of information, a lot quicker
Speaker 5: and more thorough than chat GPT. Although chat gbt is
Speaker 5: very excellent for putting, formatting things the way you want
Speaker 5: them format it and graphics like, you know, although grock
Speaker 5: makes nice tables, but chat gbt makes beautiful graphics out
Speaker 5: of it. Like that's what I use to redo Hender
Speaker 5: Farrenback's charts. You know, I put his chart in there,
Speaker 5: upload his charts. Hey, can you make this a little
Speaker 5: more appealing and more modernized than what it appears to be?
Speaker 5: And it came out with a beautiful, nice sliding chart.
Speaker 4: So you spend quite a bit of time on learning
Speaker 4: this AI product, Like you try all these different platforms.
Speaker 4: You're just supposed to put in a lot of a
Speaker 4: lot of time to get this good at it? Right?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's no. I mean when
Speaker 5: you when you write up, I mean I'll have to
Speaker 5: write all Usually I write a couple of paragraphs as
Speaker 5: what you know, parameters I want, and then it'll come
Speaker 5: out and then you have to refine that sometimes, you know,
Speaker 5: and certainly like you know chat GBT, I refine. You know,
Speaker 5: you have to refine it a few times before you
Speaker 5: get exactly you know, your the charts and stuff the
Speaker 5: way you want them. You know, it's the same with
Speaker 5: all of them. You know, you can forget something very easily,
Speaker 5: or it can miss. It's not a pure speaking platform,
Speaker 5: so sometimes it can misinterpret what you say. So you
Speaker 5: have to well, I made a mistake there. Let me
Speaker 5: restate that and you can tell it. Hey, I you
Speaker 5: know you're doing Okay, I like how this looks, but
Speaker 5: I need this. You can speak English to it and
Speaker 5: it understands you, and that's the amazing thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the AI stuff that I've been playing with a
Speaker 1: little bit when I do when I speak to it,
Speaker 1: which is great because I literally I am speaking English
Speaker 1: because sometimes I don't have time to type or I'm
Speaker 1: on my phone. I'd never like typing on my phone,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm just some one of those. I won't
Speaker 1: even do emails on my phone. If I can help it,
Speaker 1: I just say, hey, do this, blah blah blah. Here's
Speaker 1: my question. I'm going to do this, and here's I
Speaker 1: was using it a lot with my barn. Actually I'm
Speaker 1: redoing everybody knows I'm doing redoing my outbuilding to house
Speaker 1: my footprint cast collection. So I said, yeah, my barns
Speaker 1: seventy foot by thirty five feet and the rise of
Speaker 1: six feet above the blah blah blah and this and that.
Speaker 1: How am I going to determine this? And I's kind
Speaker 1: of describing my project to it just by speaking to it.
Speaker 1: And then I asked the question to it, and then
Speaker 1: it restates it far more simply than I do. I mean, really,
Speaker 1: I should get Ai. I should I should get Ai
Speaker 1: to be a host of my podcast because I'm so
Speaker 1: long winded about things. It is much more concise than
Speaker 1: I am. And I asked a question and it tells
Speaker 1: me the question that I asked and a far more
Speaker 1: intelligent way to say it, and then quite simply the answer,
Speaker 1: and it's very, very impressive. I said, no, that's not
Speaker 1: what I meant. What I meant is this? Or have
Speaker 1: even caught mistakes with Ai and said, well, that's not true,
Speaker 1: because this now, what do you say? And I've had
Speaker 1: AI tell me you're right. That was based on a
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen study. The twenty eighteen studies says, and they say, wow, wow.
Speaker 1: Getting to a point where I'm talking to computers and
Speaker 1: it understands me. I'm not exactly comfortable with it, but
Speaker 1: I'm forced to live here, so we'll see.
Speaker 5: Let me give you a great example of how something
Speaker 5: saved a bunch of time. Is I decided now this,
Speaker 5: this is how much I'm playing around with this. Two
Speaker 5: nights ago, maybe three nights ago, I decided I wanted
Speaker 5: to write a foil request to the New York State
Speaker 5: Department of Environmental Conservation and see if I can get
Speaker 5: copies of any report or its logs and audio recordings
Speaker 5: of any big foot signing reports that they may have
Speaker 5: received for since twenty seventeen. So I type that into
Speaker 5: jet GBT with the parameters. I don't know the address
Speaker 5: of where I got to send this to, or an
Speaker 5: email address where I could submit it. I don't know
Speaker 5: any of that, but you know it knows who I
Speaker 5: am from previous conversations. And I hit submit, and it
Speaker 5: printed up this freedom of information law to New York
Speaker 5: States guidelines. It gave it printed the address and the
Speaker 5: email address to submit it to, right at the top
Speaker 5: of the letter. So by taking five minutes to typing
Speaker 5: in what I wanted, it produced this letter for me.
Speaker 5: But I could just copy into my word process to
Speaker 5: my Microsoft word and then send it as a PDF
Speaker 5: to the New York State DC. Within eight hours, I
Speaker 5: got a reply saying, okay, we're processing your request. Here's
Speaker 5: here's a log into our dec portal. Here's your temporary password.
Speaker 5: Will documents up and then needed. If you're an electronic fashion,
Speaker 5: we'll notify you and they will be uploaded to the portal.
Speaker 5: It took me ten minutes to do all of it.
Speaker 5: So when you leverage AI to do things like write
Speaker 5: a foil request, or depending on which state you are,
Speaker 5: sometimes it's called the Foyer request, it's either a Free
Speaker 5: of Information Act or freedom of information and the law,
Speaker 5: depending on which state you live in New York State
Speaker 5: happened to be foil. It does it in minutes, and
Speaker 5: you know, it gives you all the information. You don't
Speaker 5: have to extrapolate, you don't have to look for proper format.
Speaker 5: It does that all for you. It cites the law,
Speaker 5: it cites the timelines by law they have to respond to.
Speaker 5: It gives you the address, the phone, everything you need
Speaker 5: and it's just like wow, talk about time saving.
Speaker 1: Now there's a dark side, of course to this AI think,
Speaker 1: and all the big fters are aware of it, that
Speaker 1: it can generate lots of images or even footage of
Speaker 1: such creatures. Have you, since you're much more fluent at
Speaker 1: this sort of thing than I am, have you found
Speaker 1: any telltale markers and say images that you can quickly
Speaker 1: tell that if it's AI generated or not.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, You got to remember every AI image photograph,
Speaker 5: per se, is a layered photograph. The AI builds them
Speaker 5: by layer and guess what happens when you put it
Speaker 5: through an error level analysis test, which you can find
Speaker 5: on photo forensics dot com. You'll see all the layers,
Speaker 5: so you know, there hasn't been a an AI photo yet.
Speaker 5: That's fooled me.
Speaker 1: Interesting, And how many have you seen?
Speaker 5: Oh a bunch. I ran through a number through tests
Speaker 5: when I started looking at this. I ran probably a
Speaker 5: dozen different AI pictures through that, including AI pictures of Bigfoot,
Speaker 5: AI pictures that people were generating, you know, like putting
Speaker 5: into their yeah, into their family pictures or whatever that
Speaker 5: they were using all AI generated stuff, or you know,
Speaker 5: show me Batman playing golf, you know, and you put
Speaker 5: that into the thing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Look at the layers. So all the AI pictures show
Speaker 5: telltale signs of having being layered, because that's how they're built.
Speaker 5: By layer. It sets the background up and then it
Speaker 5: puts that. It's not like a traditional digital photograph. It's
Speaker 5: actually a piece of it's actually a piece of arts
Speaker 5: version of photoshop, but basically right, exactly, well, it's a
Speaker 5: piece of artwork basically.
Speaker 1: And of course all pictures of Batman playing golf would
Speaker 1: be AI because he does that at night and you'd
Speaker 1: never know he was there and.
Speaker 5: He also he also does the mid night bowling too.
Speaker 2: Batman would never sully himself with such a trivial support
Speaker 2: as golf, he'd be bowling for sure.
Speaker 5: No, that's not true. Robin is his caddy. He makes
Speaker 5: Robin carry the clubs everywhere he goes.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 1: Will be right back after these messages. So you're you're
Speaker 1: in New York right now, and you're probably neck deep
Speaker 1: in snow, I'm assuming, just because that's what that part
Speaker 1: of the country is undergoing right now. So I'm assuming
Speaker 1: you've mit out to the woods much lately, which probably
Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity to focus on some other things.
Speaker 1: So what have you been up to, Well, you.
Speaker 5: Know, aside from all this research I've been doing and
Speaker 5: coming up with ideas for the upcoming research season, I'm
Speaker 5: just running the old podcast and we're doing a little
Speaker 5: something different. We don't have too many guests on as
Speaker 5: we used to now, but we we have like discussions
Speaker 5: and we talk about science, and we talk about discoveries
Speaker 5: and and how they relate necessarily to you know, the
Speaker 5: Bigfoot mystery. You know, like if there's a new hominin
Speaker 5: discovery like they you know, we had a discussion about
Speaker 5: Homo juliensis just a few weeks ago when that was
Speaker 5: when that discovery came out or got you know, published
Speaker 5: in one of the periodicals, and we talked about that
Speaker 5: and what it could mean. And and I find that
Speaker 5: stuff fascinating. I mean, there's so many shows now that
Speaker 5: are out there that they have you know, people in
Speaker 5: and out a lot of times, and I don't want
Speaker 5: to get repetitive to that. So we do guests occasionally.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, once in a great while, we'll do witnesses,
Speaker 5: we'll do investigations, we'll do and everything is done live time,
Speaker 5: so we'll actually do a photo analysis livetime. You know,
Speaker 5: we'll take a look. Let's take a look at this picture.
Speaker 5: Let's you know, let's what do you think? Well, this
Speaker 5: is what I think. And let's look at the story
Speaker 5: and does the story make sense? And we we actually
Speaker 5: had one guy who had a sighting that he didn't
Speaker 5: want to com on because he was too shook by it,
Speaker 5: and it took him a couple of months before he
Speaker 5: came out of a shell about it. He wasn't a
Speaker 5: big foot believer and he was asleep in his suv
Speaker 5: and so he woke up to one looking in at him,
Speaker 5: and it shook him to his core. And that was
Speaker 5: in I want to say northern California, but if my
Speaker 5: memory and I know it was in California, I'm not
Speaker 5: quite exactly true where. And then it's about a month
Speaker 5: later he decided to go revisit it, and he kind
Speaker 5: of but I had extensive conversation with him via email,
Speaker 5: and you know, if you watch the guy tell his story,
Speaker 5: it was very real. So I got permission to show
Speaker 5: that and we reviewed, Hey, you want to see an
Speaker 5: interview where a witness look is giving off the vibe
Speaker 5: of authentic. Here it is. So you know, we showed
Speaker 5: that video and little snips and show the behavioral markers
Speaker 5: of somebody telling the truth versus somebody not telling the truth.
Speaker 5: So it's like, we do a lot of very educational stuff.
Speaker 5: We do a lot of and of course, you know,
Speaker 5: we we you know, we we try to be funny
Speaker 5: at times. It's hard work, man, Yeah, yeah, but we're
Speaker 5: podcasting three nights a week now. We do two one
Speaker 5: hour shows on Wednesday and Fridays, and we do our
Speaker 5: two hour show on.
Speaker 1: Sunday, Holy Smokes three a week, buttons for punishment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we just like the interaction with our audience, which
Speaker 5: is really the nice thing about being Lives. We have
Speaker 5: a chat room and they add to the mix the
Speaker 5: last questions. They'll ask some great questions. And you know,
Speaker 5: years ago, when you know, we started podcasting way back
Speaker 5: in two thousand and six, we were on blog talk radio,
Speaker 5: which we had a phone line. But technology has come
Speaker 5: so far that now we can put up PowerPoint presentations
Speaker 5: on our shows. We can put up pictures, we can
Speaker 5: upload videos, we can show videos, pictures, sounds, we can
Speaker 5: play sounds and audio recordings from the field. Heck, we
Speaker 5: had a couple of years ago we actually did a
Speaker 5: live broadcast from an investigation we did and we caught
Speaker 5: a tree knock and uh, later on we had a
Speaker 5: rock thrown at us and it was like we were
Speaker 5: talking and you hear this rock come through a s
Speaker 5: and it was clearly caught. So a lot of cool
Speaker 5: stuff that the you know, the platform can do now.
Speaker 1: And of course they're archived as well, so people can
Speaker 1: go catch past shows.
Speaker 5: Absolutely yep, there forever archive. So we try to do
Speaker 5: shows that are evergreen a lot of times, and that's
Speaker 5: the important thing about the education. But those are kind
Speaker 5: of evergreen, and we have some really great discussions, and
Speaker 5: it's kind of like a variety show where it's me
Speaker 5: and my my, my co host Chris Bennett, and we
Speaker 5: just kind of wrap. He's in the south in Kentucky.
Speaker 5: I'm from the north here in New York, and we
Speaker 5: we have this nice little, you know, North South dichotomy
Speaker 5: going on between the two of us. It turns out
Speaker 5: to be a wonderful thing. And you know, people I
Speaker 5: think show up because they like us, which is kind
Speaker 5: of cool, rather than just for the information itself.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you have to have likable hosts, which is
Speaker 1: why I can't figure out why anybody listens to us.
Speaker 1: But we seem to work out anyway.
Speaker 5: Oh, you guys are fine.
Speaker 1: That's just how we look, though, I mean, how do
Speaker 1: we act.
Speaker 5: You act like like the rest of us do like
Speaker 5: twelve year old you know, we're old men in twelve
Speaker 5: year old minds. Yeah, you know, I had to add
Speaker 5: a rim shot actually to my soundboard classic. You know,
Speaker 5: it's kind of you got to have fun doing it,
Speaker 5: you can't, you know, it's a serious topic. But you
Speaker 5: got to have a little bit of levity to understand
Speaker 5: that we are talking about Bigfoot A lot of times.
Speaker 4: We always see we take Bigfoot Seri's just not ourselves.
Speaker 5: Right, exactly exactly. You gotta have self deprecation. You gotta
Speaker 5: pick on yourself because we're you know, like Cliff and
Speaker 5: you know this, We're only people. We're just normal, average
Speaker 5: joes that just got spun into this world where occasionally
Speaker 5: a spotlight or two comes on us.
Speaker 4: How you said for Cliff, you know this like I.
Speaker 1: You have no idea, Boba, We're not see the rest
Speaker 1: of us are normal people. Bobo, you want something.
Speaker 2: Bobo had talked about being on Conan O'Brien, and so
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone else in this call can say that,
Speaker 2: you know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, No, no, no, but.
Speaker 5: We won't make mention that Becher was on Letterman.
Speaker 4: And Carson, Yeah he wasn't he?
Speaker 1: So are you speaking live this year anywhere? Are you
Speaker 1: trying to take in the year?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this year we're doing. I have my first library president.
Speaker 5: Well it's actually a paranormal slash cryptid gathering at the
Speaker 5: Kinderhook Public Library that's going to be in May I'm
Speaker 5: not quite sure in the date on that, but that's
Speaker 5: going to be in May, and that's kind of cool
Speaker 5: because that's home in the Kinderhook Creature Big Flap back
Speaker 5: in the nineteen eighties. Then in August we have Hocking Hills.
Speaker 1: Oh good, I'll be there too, Yep.
Speaker 5: Awesome, And I have the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Camping Adventure and
Speaker 5: Doctor Meldrum will be there and Ron Moorehead will be
Speaker 5: there as well. And then of course, just announced in
Speaker 5: September at the end of September is the White Hall
Speaker 5: Sasquad's Calling Festival, which I will be I think for
Speaker 5: the fifth year in a row. I'll be m seeing
Speaker 5: the Calling contest, which is awesome. And that's that's kind
Speaker 5: of fun because I got like a you know, seven
Speaker 5: eight hundred people in the stands there in the Amphitheater
Speaker 5: and I get to do my shtick comedy, so.
Speaker 1: A captive audience. That's what I used the podcast for,
Speaker 1: trying that new jokes and stuff like that. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I'm doing that. And I got an invite
Speaker 5: to go to the There is a Missouri big Foot Conference.
Speaker 5: I got an invite just to show up there and
Speaker 5: they'll give me a table gratis and set up. Come
Speaker 5: on down, set up your own welcome, set up, sell
Speaker 5: your books.
Speaker 1: So, Steve, were kind of coming to the end of
Speaker 1: the hour here, but I know you have a little
Speaker 1: bit extra time before you have to hop on your
Speaker 1: own podcast and go do that. And you are best known,
Speaker 1: at least to me, like one of the things that
Speaker 1: I put you on a pedestal about is busting hoaxes.
Speaker 1: You are just ruthless and you get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of it. I've literally told my wife today, Steve's a
Speaker 1: good friend and I'm so glad because I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: them after me because you find stuff about people and
Speaker 1: you have busted so many hoaxes. I think it would
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun if you stayed on for
Speaker 1: the bonus episode for our members that comes out every Thursday,
Speaker 1: and we can talk about some of the hoaxes that
Speaker 1: you've dealt with in the past and some of the
Speaker 1: most ridiculous things that you've run across, and that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. If you have an extra times well, of course,
Speaker 1: and tell everybody where they can buy your books as
Speaker 1: they come out. One more time to remind.
Speaker 5: Everybody they have news. Go to Amazon dot com. I
Speaker 5: will also have links on my website at squatchdtective dot
Speaker 5: com and if you go over to YouTube dot com
Speaker 5: forward slash at squatch dtv. In every show description we
Speaker 5: post links for the books, so as the new links
Speaker 5: come out for the Blue books.
Speaker 1: They'll be there, okay, And your podcast is on YouTube.
Speaker 5: Podcast is on YouTube. And we do our mainstay show
Speaker 5: with Sundays at nine pm Eastern and occasion we'll do
Speaker 5: a show on Wednesday at nine pm and or we'll
Speaker 5: do a show on Friday at nine pm. They're not guaranteed,
Speaker 5: but we sometimes we hit three shows a week, depending
Speaker 5: on how busy it is, and it gives us time
Speaker 5: to get breaking news in there if any stuff comes.
Speaker 1: Up under promise over deliver sounds awesome.
Speaker 3: And all those links will be in the show notes.
Speaker 4: Cool, all right on, Steve. Cool for you to join us.
Speaker 4: We appreciate it. All the people love to hear from you.
Speaker 4: So thanks for making the time and I'm looking forward
Speaker 4: to seeing those books come out, reading them and folks
Speaker 4: pick them up. They're always good. Steve knows what he's
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what I'm going to do for you, guys.
Speaker 5: I will email those books two because I have BDF
Speaker 5: copies of all them. I'll send them off to you
Speaker 5: and Cliff and to Matt after I get done podcasting tonight,
Speaker 5: so you have all three copies of them in PDF.
Speaker 3: For thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Thanks Steve, Right on there you goes. He's a
Speaker 4: nice guy. Folks support him. So okay, Steve, thanks a lot,
Speaker 4: and good luck with the book. And until next week,
Speaker 4: y'all keep it squatchy.
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