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Show by popular demand, people ask for this, Ron Dodson

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and Ferrous modad Or Back, gentlemen, I hope you're doing well,

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and we're just going to jump in because we're already

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deep into a conversation before this. So, Ron, you were

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talking about Asia. Talk about Asia.

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Speaker 2: Well, the President went over there and there were some

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there were you know, some headline things about agreements with

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tariffs and and and that all is is very important.

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I think Trump is very good one on one meeting

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with leaders. I think he is a relationship guy rather

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than and I you know, an idealistic type, and I

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think that's that's always good. And he's absolutely America first,

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so he's going to build these relationships and communicate, uh,

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the importance of America's self interest.

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Speaker 3: So that's good. But one of the things that I

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think went.

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Speaker 2: Uh, went you know, kind of under the radar that

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is important is that East Temor joined the ac Ean Group,

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the ACEN Group, which really functions as a US aligned.

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Speaker 3: Soft aligned block.

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Speaker 2: And there's a sense I'm getting that as we move

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more towards a Monroe doctrine, where look, the Western hemisphere

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or the America's hemisphere is the United states sphere of

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influence and our considered near abroad, and we can talk

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about Venezuela later on that we're moving towards a realist

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formulation with the Chinese and understanding, look, you have a

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near abroad as well, but we need to we need

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to make sure you know where that near.

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Speaker 3: Abroad ends for our purposes, and.

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Speaker 2: Giving Australia and the Christian nations in the archipelago just

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north of Australia, giving them a little bit of tactical space,

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if not strategic depth. And so I thought that was

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one of the more interesting things. It hasn't been. It's

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it's foreign policy, uh weeds, you know, it's it's deep nerdery.

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But I think for me that was one of the most,

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if not the most interesting thing to come out of

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the trip.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and in terms of the whole tariffs thing and

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and the trade relationship with China. What are your thoughts there?

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What are you how do you see it? I?

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Speaker 2: Uh, well, it seems like Trump and and we can

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we can debate the we've talked about this before, the

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wisdom of going shock and awe with the first round,

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you know, the uh the UH Liberation Day.

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Speaker 2: But I think he's moved more towards Bessant having being

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the strongest voice in his ear. Bessont's been pretty right

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on everything he said. Again, Bessn't you know, has different

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personal proclivities than do I or any of the three

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of us. But he's been he's been very very good

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as not just a Treasury secretary, but a but a

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glow kind of global macro voice of wisdom in Trump's ear.

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So I think I think that the the agreements, the

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South Korean Agreement and the Chinese agreement are are just

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further steps and saying in resetting the world order, that

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we're moving away from a neoliberal post war setup where

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everyone could kind of live at our expense to hey,

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try to move the needle, but that we as a

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country and as a power block have self interest and

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those self interests are or are going to be upheld,

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and we're going to move primarily for what is good

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the American people. The American citizen to be more specific.

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secrets being revealed by these agreements. I just see the

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strategic the strategic thrust being re emphasized.

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Speaker 4: Okay. I mean my take on some of the on

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some of China's behavior when it comes to restrictions on

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getting ready for a day where they are more effective

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in their sanctions, where their ability to sort of force

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decoupling on their terms is more robust. And for me,

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that seemed like them getting ready for the actual invasion

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of Taiwan and for the actual war that I think

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kind of everybody sees coming, although it's debated, well, they

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won't they but it seems to me that the Chinese

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are putting in place the bits and processes, or the

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bits and pieces for the administrative processes that allow them

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to restrict trade in a way that slows down Western industry.

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over Taiwan, they have a big head start because they

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have access to all of these resources and the doesn't.

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Volkswagen is more or less on its knees really, and

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between Volkswagen and Siemens, that's the German economy, and that's

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the German economy, meaning that's the European economy. So it

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seemed to me that some of the stuff that Chinese

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were doing was preparation for being able to sanction the

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West much more effectively and cut access to critical components

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relating to lenses, relating to engines, relating to magnets and

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rare earth minerals that put them in the pole position

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when the shooting starts and everybody has to to sort

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of rev up their manufacturing capabilities. So the West would

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then have to figure out how do they get rare

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earth minerals, how do they do the refining and all

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of that. They get the industrial environment that allows them

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to manufacture weapons independently, which the West currently doesn't have,

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and everybody who's doing drone contracts and things like that

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is panicked about making sure that none of their components

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are linked to China because they know that when the

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day comes, they won't have access to these components. But

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that's making everything much more expensive for the West and

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slowing it down essentially.

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Speaker 2: Well for Oz, I think I agree, although I think

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this is redefining. I think what we're seeing is a

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redefinition of what is mutually assured destruction. In other words,

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no longer is it just nuclear weapons. I don't think

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China wants war with the United States. I think the

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smart people in the United States uh want absolutely nothing

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to do with a war over Taiwan.

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Speaker 3: Uh. Some do.

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Speaker 2: There's the the neocon spirit is alive and well, and

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it doesn't just move eastward, it also moves westward.

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Speaker 3: So uh. But look, as a.

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Speaker 2: A expert smally expert on aviation military aviation tech, the

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latest round of what China's doing is Yeah, I would

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say impressive is an understatement. And and you go on

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and and uh if if, if anybody wants to follow,

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I'll tell you who's a good follow He's not really

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super aligned with us, but he's a night he's a

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good guy, and he's he's runs one of the best

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ocent sites is Tyler Roguay, who.

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Speaker 3: Does uh uh the uh oh good night.

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Speaker 2: I'll I'll look up the you can follow him on Twitter,

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but he has a he has a great site, uh

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that used to be part of the Jelopnik Network believe

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it or not, but started doing UH military tech open intelligence.

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He's really good. But they the latest round of picks

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that we've seen of both the fighter and the Fighter bomber,

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these are not crude prototypes. These are very well executed

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UH manufacture pieces that are we're already seeing round two

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in the case of the three engine fighter bomber, the

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tail ess Fighter bomber that that that they've been flying

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in prototype form.

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Speaker 3: Very very impressive.

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Speaker 2: They've they've got their emails now working the the the

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steamless launch system for their latest UH well, the latest

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in the water UH carrier is now doing their stealth

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fighters are now launching and capping on the H on

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their on their carrier, so they have that up and running.

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So things are moving quickly a a any kind of

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shooting war for Taiwan. I think if it were up

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for me and we're just you know, if it were

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up to me and I'm Secretary of State and I'm not.

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Speaker 3: And Rubio is. Although Rubio has been better than I.

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Speaker 2: Expected, He's absolutely not one of us from a from

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from you know, he still leans pretty neo con But

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but I would, I would, I would have a negotiated

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settlement on Taiwan, you know, already in front of China,

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and if you can just push it out fifteen twenty years,

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but already get that in the books, so that everyone

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can be planning, because we're not gonna go. The last

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thing you want is to you know, kill twenty percent

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of the Taiwanese and fifth in you know, thirty thousand

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US sailors, soldiers and airmen in a fight that far

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away from home. When China, China doesn't want to threaten,

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think it's in our best interest, I mean in their

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best interests. But but I do do I think the

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Chinese want a shooting war. No, what I do think

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is they want every lever to make us come to

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the table and capitulate. And and that's why this Bisson

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truce UH is important because it showed that they were

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they were willing to UH release you know, the immediate

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pressure on tariff's rarer, earth SAG purchases, fintal enforcement, And

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does it solve everything? It does not. We're gonna have

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to probably gonna have to mind some in Tennessee, in Missouri, UH,

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in these difficult places to get our own rare earths.

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who are the other big rare earth supplier, but that's

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going to take time because the current mood in Washington

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is very anti Russian. It's still you know, uh that

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hope it's peaceful, but we'll see.

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the ability of the Chinese to launch aircraft using electromagnetic catapults.

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Speaker 3: Yes, as opposed to.

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Speaker 4: Doing it with this sort of old fashioned way that's right,

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which they never properly mastered, but now they've still did

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not judge and EMACS technology, which which they seem to

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have just seemed to be doing well.

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Speaker 2: Now the emails allow you to instead of you just

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get the raw thrust of the steam catapult system provides

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a lot of power. It's reliable in the sense that

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you can, you know, fire up the boilers, get the

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steam going. The emails, on the other hand, can is

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an accelerative process. Therefore, you can carry much more weight

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and put less stress on the airframe, specifically on the

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on the landing gear and so forth. And so it's

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it's long run, much better on the aircraft, and it

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provides for more capability. It's just a better system. We've

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struggled with getting ours to work. They've kind of leap

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frog past that. Matter of fact, I saw some reference

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to where Trump was saying they need to retrofit the

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Forward class with steam. You know, I can't imagine that,

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but we'll see, okay, okay.

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the reasons people voted for Trump and supported Trump was

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we understand that if we don't have our own manufacturing,

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we were not sovereign. If we especially if we don't

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have our own military manufacturing, we're not sovereign. What is

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there any movement away from that? Now? You can say, well,

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what they're doing, and we need to build alternative, just

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build additional. But it seems to me if we're going

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that in the works? Is that I've where is that

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to be seen? Anywhere in the States. What's being built here?

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Speaker 4: What is.

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Speaker 1: What are we divorcing from China over? So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I am briefly, it's a fifteen to twenty year process,

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and the fact that there's this question on will this

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be necessary? Will this be necessary? Create some hesitancy on

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the part of investors. The flip side is that the

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uncertainty on tariffs is also probably going to encourage manufacture

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to go to the United States because they understand that

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this genie won't be put back in the bottle, meaning

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that the issue of tariffs is going to be repetitive,

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meaning that you're better off being based in the richest markets,

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which is always going to be the United States, especially

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under a socialist Europe. So it's not happening at the

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speed that people imagine it might happen because it is

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a fifteen twenty year process. And there is a point

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to be made about military manufacturing here. You can't have

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military manufacturing without a supportive environment of every other kind

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of manufacturing. Military manufacturing is not a unique thing. It's

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a byproduct of strong manufacturing ability in a range of

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other areas that have military applications. Now, the United States

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had a bit of a unique course in that a

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lot of the technologies initially intended for the military ended

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up having massive civilian applications. But in a shooting war, normally,

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unless you're like the United States and isolated by an

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ocean from everyone else, you're not really prioritizing huge amounts

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of R and D for the sake of R and D.

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is working in the field and what isn't working. And

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even then your best bet is to have a bunch

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of existing manufacturing infrastructure that you can do this experimenting in.

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And so you had Hitler sort of testing different kind

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of German big manufacturers that already existed to see which

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one is going to produce the best tank. You had

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all of the auto industry in the United States being

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repurposed to produce parts for planes and armored vehicles and

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tanks and so on and so forth. So it's not

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that you can focus only on military manufacturing. That's a

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bit of a I think that's a bit of a myth.

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I think you need a huge manufacturing base where you

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pick and choose bits and pieces that go into your military.

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if you think that you're still going to be manufacturing

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in Cambodia or in Vietnam or wherever. And so the softly,

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softly approached that Trump is trying to take is understandable

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in the American political context because he has to worry

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about a midterm election within a year of being elected,

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and then after the midterms he has to worry about

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another presidential election and on and on go, meaning that

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there's a lot of short term thinking. That short term

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thinking favor is making temporary agreements. But if you're China,

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you never trust any of these agreements because you are

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using them as stepping stones to achieve your actual objective,

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which is to become the new hedgemon. And so on

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the industry side, you hear a lot of noise. Trump

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throws out a lot of numbers. Most of these numbers

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are so far commitments and sort of in the air

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commitments as opposed to you know, the first bricks have

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been laid, and we're laying the foundation stone that we're

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starting to build with some of the new tech guys Palmer,

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Lucky elon others. They're building in the United States, but

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I'm not clear on how much of their supply chain

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is fully indigenous. And then there's the fact that there's

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an insane amount of environmental regulation and nobody can really

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dismantle that in full. And so for a lot of

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these minerals, you're probably better off going to Venezuela, or

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going to Argentina, or going to other parts of Latin

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America that have less restrictions or where you can negotiate

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around these restrictions. That's my read on it. And at

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the same time, like we are not yet in the

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first full year of the Trump administration. We are still

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you know, in November. He took power in January. It

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hasn't been a full eleven months yet.

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Speaker 1: Sure, well, let me let me follow up on Yeah,

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let me follow up on that. Okay, So you said

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to fifteen to twenty you know, we're all going to

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a fifteen to twenty year plan. If we were a monarchy,

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a proper monarchy, I'd be a little more you know,

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confident about that. But we have a you know, a

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democratic republic, and the democratic republic means that there are

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going to be new people in power in twenty twenty eight,

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and those people in power in twenty twenty eight don't

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have this vision. This gets stopped and it gets pushed

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out another you know, until somebody comes in or somebody

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takes over and ends this anachronistic system and become CEO

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for life.

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Speaker 4: That's an excellent point because to restate what you just said,

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democracy favors managed decline as opposed to revolutionary change. Putin

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can execute revolutionary change and can take Russia from the

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case of the nineteen nineties to a power that is

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sort of challenging all of NATO at the same time,

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admittedly in its own backyard, admittedly right across the border

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from it. Yes, true, but this is a far cry

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from Russia of the nineteen nineties, where pretty much all

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industry had to collapse. We're pretty much the oligarchs who

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were running the show, and you had shootouts at Moscow

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between rival gangs.

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Speaker 3: You had a recapitulation of what Germany went through after

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World War One.

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Speaker 1: Almost I was going to say, it just sounds like Wymar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well in early even pre whymar so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So basically democracy is favoring this matter's decline because

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by definition, the leadership's horizons are short term, and a

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massive crash on the stock market, which objectively speaking, is

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absolutely necessary, it will be the best thing. Like the

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best thing to happen to the United States and to

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the West in general, would be the financial industry losing

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fifty sixty seventy percent.

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Speaker 3: It's called real deflation. Would is in this system.

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Speaker 2: Real deflation is necessary ever so often to clear out

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the system, and we have built in these safeguards that

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keep the system from being cleared out deiglation.

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Speaker 3: Is the FED is there.

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Speaker 2: Everyone thinks the FED is there to promote what is

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what's the dual mandate, stable prices and full employment. The

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FED is there to make sure we never have deflation.

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That is why the FED is there.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, exactly, exactly, And so under this kind of system,

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what is favored is matters decline, and that's the fundamental

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part of the problem. Like democracy itself is an obstacle

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to the reforms that are needed to save the West.

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Speaker 3: M mass democracy, virtuous democracy.

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Speaker 4: Look it, this is a long conversation, but I'm of

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the view that it it naturally erodes virtue.

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Speaker 3: Well, sure, oh, I totally agree. I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: I I I talk to my and I'm I love

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these guys because I used to be more one of them.

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But my libertarian buddies, I tell them, libertarianism is great

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for the five minutes that it's able to work, and

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then but it eats itself.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's this ora boris that that that until there's nothing

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left to eat there, it can't reproduce the ordered liberty

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that we all want. Nobody wants to, at least I

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don't think we just want and and and Pete. You

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used to swim in those waters, as did I.

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Speaker 3: They don't. They don't really want in their heart of

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hearts mogadishu. Right, that's that. But but that's that tends

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to be where it goes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, yes, yeah, I mean free quote unquote free trade.

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The free trade we have now. I mean, admittedly it's

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not free trade. There's books and books of regulations that

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are managing it, but free it's still it's still globalism.

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And take away all of those regulations, every single jot

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and tittle of them, and you have maximum globalism. So

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here's what I wanted. Another thing I wanted to bring

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up as far as this goes. Elon was on Joe

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Rogan yesterday and at the very end they were talking

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about they were talking about basically what he learned in

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Doge and everything.

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Speaker 4: And.

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Speaker 1: Joe's asking him, how do you how do we solve this?

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And you know, he said, basically, he said AI and robotics.

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And what are you saying is he's saying, you know,

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we need AI is already taking it. Basically, if you're

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not doing a physical job, and even some of those

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are going away, your job is being taken away. You

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coding is is done. I mean AI is doing coding now.

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and we need robotics, and we need them fast. He said,

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you know, we're going to have mass unemployment because of

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AI and robotics. But the thing is is, he said,

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we're not even He goes, if we treat AI and

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robotics properly, we're not going to have to worry about

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universal basic income. He says something like you like universal

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maximalized income. Basically that if we unleash AI and robotics,

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it sounded to me like he was saying was we

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are going to get rid of scarcity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his so. So I'm friends with some of the guys.

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I don't know Elon, but I know some of that crowd.

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And the idea is, you know, it's the EA, you know,

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the ethical acceleration folks, and they believe that there is

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a logarythmic uh uh productivity, amount of productivity to be

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to be unlocked, and that that very that very well

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may be the issue is And it gets right back

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to what we were talking about, how do you how

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do you build AI and robotics if let's say that's

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the road you want to go down, and that's a

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kind of a different topic for maybe another day, but

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but you need all these things that the Chinese. You

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are just increasing the Chinese leverage over you know, the West.

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And at the same time, and I know that this

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is a everybody, if you're playing the Ron Dotson drinking game,

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get ready to take a big swig. United Eurasia under

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where we've pushed all of of Eurasia under the Chinese

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wing is death to the West because all these things

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that we need to unlock any type of productivity expansion

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are controlled by China. At the same time that we

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are doing everything possible to drive Russia into their arms.

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And Russia is the other supplier of these things. And

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so I'm I think we're gonna, you know, Trump being

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kind of a real estate a little bit of private

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equity guy. Right now, I see a whole lot of

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kind of lend and extend, just like it's going on

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in private equity right now to where can we just

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push the date out far enough, you know, to where

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I don't you know, I'm dead or I don't have

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to worry about it kind of thing, And eventually that

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bill comes due. Eventually that bill comes due. I mean,

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we could start today picking up on what Pharaohs was

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talking about. We could start today with a united We're

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gonna mine every bit in this hemisphere. In the Zezuela

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has some minerals. Columbia down further towards the western coast

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of South America, there's a lot of minerals down there.

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We could go full board. That's a that's a ten

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if we started today, that's a ten year time horizon manufacturing,

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a real ramp up. You know, this isn't nineteen forty

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one anymore. Forty two. That's a five year that's under

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current the current regulatory environment. That's a five year you know,

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project minimum. So you know, either either we have some

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pretty and revolution is like civil war. It gets really

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messy in it, and I don't like using those terms.

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But without some type of vanguardian movement that that that

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greases some of these skids so that things can happen

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easier quicker, we're in there.

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Speaker 3: We don't hold a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Cards there, and it's it's a bit scary, you know,

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having eleven or ten right now, ten carriers to put

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in the water in any you know, eight in the water,

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maybe six at any one time. And in the world

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of drones and phased array at three three stage phase

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array radars, they just don't that. That's not how you

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project power anymore, not not to peer competitors anyway.

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Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think nuggu aide fairs.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to sort of make a quick comment

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on the point of end of scarcity. This has been

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promised time and time and again. Yeah, like scarcity doesn't end.

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It's impossible to end scarcity. And everybody who thinks that

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it's a d x X messin it doesn't actually work.

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It never happens that way, There's always going to be

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need for something, and there's always going to be a

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competition for resources. And so if this competition can be

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done in a way whereby UFS, Venezuela, Argentina and therefore

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maybe the rest of Latin America to become a proper

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resource supplier that replaces China, that allows the United States

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to build up its industries independently of China. First, you're

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competing with the Chinese there. Second, Latin America is becoming

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increasingly socialist. Always had this problem with socialism, always had

476
00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:42,319
this issue with it. It's a very old story there

477
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:48,000
and it never seems to go away. And one thing

478
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,440
that should be mentioned is that though the Israel issue

479
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:57,359
has helped radicalize more of Latin America against the United States,

480
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:02,160
even more than it already was the case, and so

481
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:08,160
the whole foreign policy at this stage seems to be unbalanced.

482
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,480
My view initially was that what Trump would be trying

483
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,400
to do, based on his statements, was to just get

484
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,359
that reconciliation with Russia done, and through that reconciliation be

485
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,400
able to build a containment policy targeting China, whereby Russia

486
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,000
can work with South Korea, with Asian with Japan, who

487
00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:33,599
all have an interest in containing China. The Russians don't

488
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,519
want to be a Chinese client state. They have their

489
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:38,519
own egos, they have their own pride, they have their

490
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,880
own history. And the Chinese attitude is so focused on

491
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:48,680
making money today with so little regard for relationships tomorrow,

492
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:53,640
that they are impossible to have as an ally. So

493
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,559
there was this window of opportunity there, and you saw

494
00:33:57,599 --> 00:33:59,920
that with the sort of with the beat down the

495
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,599
Zelensky got in the White House, and you saw that

496
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,000
with the constant humiliations that Trump inflicted on pretty much

497
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:12,400
every European partner who visited him, not least Britain Skier

498
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,519
Starmer where you know, there were comments about his suit

499
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,559
referencing to the fact that this homosexual Muslim donor was

500
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,440
giving him money to buy suits, et cetera, et cetera,

501
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,679
But it didn't come to anything, like he couldn't pull

502
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,599
the right levers somehow to make the Ukraine war end.

503
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,440
And the reason he couldn't make the Ukraine War end

504
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,960
was because of the attachment to NATO. And if you

505
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:50,280
remember NATO's expansion, first they took Central Europe, Poland Czechos

506
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,679
like the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary. Then they tried

507
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,000
to flank Russia on both the Black Sea and the Baltics,

508
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:03,519
to make sure that Sevastopol in Crimea was contained in

509
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:06,679
the Black Sea and that Saint Petersburg was pretty much

510
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,480
surrounded with the with the Baltic states. Putin's demand when

511
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:15,840
the war started was roll back NATO and the Eastern

512
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,400
expansion and roll back NATO pull back. None of this happened,

513
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:25,719
and Trump wasn't able to make this happen. So instead

514
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,280
the policy shifted to let's milk Europe as much as possible.

515
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,599
Let's get the Europeans to pay for the weapons at

516
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:38,920
a time when Italy, France, Spain, and the United Kingdom

517
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,159
all have one hundred percent that to GDP and pretty

518
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:47,480
big deficits. And that's now the policy. The policy is

519
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,559
sug just extract as much as possible from Europe. Tried

520
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:55,199
to consolidate Latin America, use European talent, European capital, and

521
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,280
Latin American resources to build up American industry. And on

522
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,000
the sidelines, there are these things with China that are

523
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:08,639
intended mainly to manage their relationship and prevent an all

524
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:12,840
out breakdown of their relationship because of what this would

525
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,079
do to the prospects of the Republicans in the midterms

526
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:19,159
and in the next presidential election. So it's sort of

527
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,440
back to matters decline.

528
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,639
Speaker 2: Really well, I want to really pick up and expand

529
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:29,960
on something you said there, because to me, uh, to me,

530
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:35,199
it really does seem like the key to unlocking a

531
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,159
lot of these doors is some type.

532
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,159
Speaker 3: Of approachment with Russia.

533
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: Yes, because what's keeping Let's be honest, if we've got

534
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,480
to if if if if Russia is the bad guy,

535
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,079
then you have to have NATO because you have to

536
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:52,840
have Turkey.

537
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: I mean, why are we allied with Turkey? You know

538
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,000
Turkey is this is not a good actor? Uh these

539
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:06,199
or this is but they control the Bosporus Dardennell complex

540
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,039
for ingress and egress out of the Black Sea. They

541
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,639
came into NATO for the purposes of being the staging

542
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:17,719
place for shorter range nuclear missiles.

543
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: And we've just never gotten past that supposed need. But

544
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:26,480
if we had approachment with Russia, that all goes away,

545
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:32,400
and that also takes away some of the pressure for

546
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,280
we're one of the reasons we're such big pals with

547
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:44,480
with Israel. Is to balance that tiger that we've got

548
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:48,719
locked in our bedroom in Turkey. And if so, if

549
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,280
all that need goes away, then all these things become

550
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,840
less quote unquote mission critical. And yet, so what's driving

551
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,599
I mean, we all know the answer, or maybe it's

552
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:07,159
more nuanced than I think, But what is driving that

553
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:15,079
intense desire in the American foreign policy apparatus, regardless of administration,

554
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:18,320
to be so vehemently anti Russian?

555
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:21,519
Speaker 3: Is it religious? Cultural?

556
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,039
Speaker 4: Is it just?

557
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:24,159
Speaker 3: Is it?

558
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:28,519
Speaker 2: Is it ethnic tensions that you know we may or

559
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:31,719
may not want to get into. Is it political system?

560
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:38,000
What is it that continues to drive this this what

561
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:41,440
I consider something to be really hurting us acting in

562
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,199
our rational self interest?

563
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:51,119
Speaker 4: My answer is that Americans are thinking like BRIT's in

564
00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:55,719
a real way. The It's really interesting for me that

565
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,320
the first country with which Britain signed a free trade

566
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,639
agreement after Brexit was Turkey.

567
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,199
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, because talk talk talk about that, because this

568
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,960
is very interesting. People don't know about it, but but

569
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:12,000
talk through that because I think, I think this is

570
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,400
to me, this is the this is the key that

571
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:20,360
helps everyone unlock understanding into what's going on in foreign policy, right,

572
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:23,559
it makes everything makes sense, at least to me.

573
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 4: Why Turkey, because Turkey is the natural counterbalance against both

574
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:35,360
fronts in the Mediterranean and Russia. And that's always been

575
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,519
the British way of thinking. We need a Muslim ally

576
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,079
to keep the Muslims on side and keep the Russians

577
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:46,639
out of Central Asia, which is stupid at this stage, right,

578
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:47,960
and to keep the Russian goes.

579
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: Back to Kaibar Pass cyber Pass, great game stuff, right exactly.

580
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,039
Speaker 4: To keep the Brits out of India, which is stupid

581
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:57,840
at this stage, given the relationship between Russia and India

582
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,840
and the enmity with France. I mean, okay, that's interesting,

583
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:08,119
but neither of you is really a power at this stage.

584
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,639
And what you ought to be thinking of is some

585
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:22,159
kind of united Christendom. But given Anglican versus revolutionary, Catholic, Republican, whatever,

586
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,760
France is right now, it's a very confused country. It

587
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,039
doesn't know what it's there for other than to be

588
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,119
proud of being French, or the pride in French language

589
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:38,320
as a sort of replacement for something much deeper. Instead

590
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,519
of thinking of united Christendom, you still see the sort

591
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:47,039
of very parochial thinking on the part of the British establishment,

592
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:54,800
and in a way, that is where policy ends up going.

593
00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:59,199
Because for all of the debates that had in the

594
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,760
United States are way more sophisticated than the debates that

595
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,199
are had in Europe, the dumbest argument in Europe, which

596
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,119
is that we need to we need Turkey to contain

597
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:13,760
Russia and to contain France, is still the one that

598
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,800
informs policymaking in the United States. Somehow, I don't understand

599
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,880
how that happens. I don't get it, but it does

600
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,679
and it keeps on happening. Powell had a fear of

601
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,719
the United States being so dominant against Europe and destroying Europe,

602
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,480
to the extent that he advocated allying with Russia even

603
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:43,079
under the Soviet Union, to contain the influence of the

604
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:43,840
United States.

605
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: Now sounds like he was reading Francis Parker Yaki, there

606
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:49,199
you go.

607
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 4: Now we're in this weird situation where rather than the

608
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,599
Americans and the Russians thinking, well, we can carve Europe

609
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:02,760
between us and that'll be it, you have the Europeans

610
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,360
somehow imposing a veto on the United States freedom of

611
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:13,639
action to insist on maintaining the war in Ukraine because

612
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,719
in part that's all they have going and because in

613
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,920
part Putin is the antithesis of what they are. He's

614
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:28,639
a bit of a liberal, quite a liberal by Russian standards,

615
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:38,360
but he's also natural resources, pro domestic industry, pro Russian strength,

616
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,800
and a Russian nationalist with a small.

617
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: N yeah, Ortho nationalist really yeah.

618
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:52,119
Speaker 4: And most of the criticism against him is from his right,

619
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:55,599
like criticism against him from his left is not really

620
00:42:55,639 --> 00:43:00,039
in any way a threat to him right. And so

621
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:04,320
the Europeans and the British don't want somebody like that

622
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,400
succeeding because that could influence Europe. But Europe is a

623
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,000
client of the United States in terms of security, and

624
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:18,199
its ability to impose this veto is really really strange.

625
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:22,199
I don't understand how that happens. But again, it goes

626
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,960
back to the rules of the game. It goes back

627
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,519
to the fact that the Trump administration still accepts the

628
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:32,039
old rules and the old institutions, when in reality, these

629
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:36,079
rules and these institutions have brought nothing but disaster on

630
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:39,719
everyone that's been following them. The West has never been

631
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:46,320
weaker since nineteen fourteen, since nineteen forty five, like the

632
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,519
two World Wars and the settlement that ended them proved

633
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:57,199
to be disastrous for the West because Europeans for the

634
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:02,199
first time fully embraced liberalism, and it was imposed on

635
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,360
them by the Americans as a way of managing Europe

636
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,000
and keeping it on site to prevent the rise of communism.

637
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:11,960
And good communism is evil, fair enough.

638
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we just did our version, you know. It's

639
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,719
it's it's.

640
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 4: Like everything you hear about taxation policy from the EU,

641
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:28,639
the fact that you work, you know, two out of

642
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,239
every five days for the government in any average European

643
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,480
country on an average income, Like in a seventh day,

644
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:38,719
in a seven day week, you're off for two days.

645
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,960
You're working for the government for two days, and three

646
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,480
days are actually yours you get to keep that money.

647
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,280
And in some countries even worse, you work three days

648
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,199
a week for the government two days for yourself. Like

649
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:59,639
that's a form of subjugation that hasn't happened in the

650
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:03,880
past Europe. And this system needs to be broken, and

651
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,480
the rules that underpin it need to be broken completely.

652
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:10,960
But everybody's stuck in those rules, and no man is

653
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,280
strong enough to fully break the system, so some kind

654
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,400
of external cataclysm has to break it. And what you

655
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,800
end up having is these high hopes in the new

656
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,559
guy who's going to come in, But the system proves

657
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:29,159
to be stronger than the man time and time and again.

658
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,039
And that's why people say, well, whatever you vote for

659
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:37,039
in America, you get John McCain, and whatever you vote

660
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:38,480
for in Britain you get Tony Blair.

661
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: Well work, and we're we're stuck, We're occupied. Well, well,

662
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,800
Europe is occupied. They're under an occupation regime from the

663
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,960
United States. But the United States has been occupied since

664
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,199
World War Two as well, so you have this gigantic

665
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,519
occupation regime. And what it seems like to do is

666
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,840
the way the reason to if your goal is to

667
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,679
destroy Europe, then you have to cut them off from Russia.

668
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,840
I mean, Europe does not have its own natural resources.

669
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,599
They have to get it from somewhere. The best place

670
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:12,360
for them to get it is right there, right next

671
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,559
door from Russia. And the problem the problem is is

672
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:22,760
that and Europe also has a race war in their future.

673
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:25,039
There is going to be a race war in Europe.

674
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:31,760
And yeah, so when that happens, the only thing that

675
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,280
you can hope is is that the people who initiate

676
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,119
that to basically kick the invader, or not really even

677
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:42,079
the invader, the people who've been put there, these you know,

678
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:45,159
these savages who have been put there to destroy, to

679
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,519
help to destroy Europe and weaken Europe. The best thing

680
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:52,760
that you can hope is the people who decide to

681
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,599
initiate that war also side with Russia at the same

682
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:59,760
time so that they can start rebuilding industry, because the

683
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,800
only way Europe is going to be free again is

684
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,480
if they rebuild industry, and that's probably going to be

685
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:07,679
led by Germany. And Germany seems to be the most cucked,

686
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,039
one of the most cognations out of all of them.

687
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 4: Pretty much pretty much. The extent to which the Germans

688
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:23,159
are morally and psychologically broken is unimaginable. And Europe, like

689
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,880
the rest of the West, is in desperate need of

690
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:32,639
re evangelization. And it's a it's it's at a fundamental

691
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,760
part of the problem that you have these atheist materialists

692
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:42,679
in charge and you have this ethnic grievance industry. That's

693
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,559
that's that's an operation. And if you look at how

694
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,280
the Muslim bloc are trying to replicate the definition of

695
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,199
Islamophobia by copy pasting essentially the definitions of anti semitism.

696
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,760
Mm hmmm. And the net results seems to be to

697
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:07,840
prevent any kind of conversation around the uniqueness of European identity,

698
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:13,320
the uniqueness of European culture, the uniqueness of sub ethnic

699
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:20,320
identities within Europe, and that they're all connected by Christianity,

700
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,039
and that what brings them together is Christianity. And you

701
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:32,159
see this flooding of the zone with endless allegations of racism, Islamophobia,

702
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:35,880
anti Semitism, this, that, and the other. And these are

703
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,840
all copy pasted definitions that are intended to hide a

704
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:46,159
simple fact, which is that being Italian is different from

705
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:50,599
being German, is different from being Algerian, is different from

706
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:57,960
being Jewish. And you see this mental paralysis that comes

707
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:05,480
as a result. And the paralysis is extensive because it

708
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:11,519
means that you must accept multi party democracy, one of

709
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:17,159
the most destructive political systems in the world, with proportional representation,

710
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:23,119
which is a surefire away of getting full government paralysis

711
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,800
because nobody's ever replaced, nothing ever changes, only the bureaucracy grows,

712
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:35,840
and the outcome is you stay in permanent managed decline

713
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:40,280
and that's what's happening. And so the system is strong

714
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:47,119
enough to keep on creating these bubbles of hope around

715
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,880
AfD led by a lesbian partner with the Sri Lankan

716
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:57,400
around Reform led by a sort of weird agnostic guy

717
00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:02,880
who's being managed by a Muslim led by Lapan, who's

718
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:09,440
a bit past her expiry date and incapable of generating

719
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,440
new ideas. She's capable of identifying the problem, But where

720
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,320
are the new ideas led by Maloney who's a complete fake,

721
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:24,280
complete fraud, And nothing ever changes, nothing ever happens, really

722
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:28,480
on a really fundamental level. But then what is happening

723
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:33,519
is that this system, which is you can say it's

724
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:35,199
built on a house of cards, you can say that

725
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,199
it's built on concrete, whatever you're the analogy that you

726
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:44,280
want to use is but it's being constantly overloaded, and

727
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,000
whether it's concrete or cards, at some point it will break.

728
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,880
And the question is when does it break? And the

729
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,960
political incentive of everybody elected into office is to make

730
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,320
sure that it doesn't bring during my term in office

731
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,199
so that I don't get blamed for it.

732
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:07,599
Speaker 2: Right lynd and extent, like we talked to Jim, can

733
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,360
I just push Can I push that time horizon as

734
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,639
far as possible? So question, what what is the ontological

735
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,639
difference between Germany that has gone down this incredible, this

736
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,199
road of failure, even though it has in theory this

737
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:31,519
incredible industrial base which should propel it. But for all

738
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:34,719
these reasons we're talking about, you know, politically it's a disaster.

739
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,960
What's the difference between that and Japan, which had a

740
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:43,440
similar Maybe they didn't participate, you know, they didn't participate

741
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,119
in World War One, So maybe it's two generations versus

742
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:50,320
lose losing two generations versus losing one. But Japan, who

743
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,639
that seems to be ready and on the cusp of

744
00:51:53,880 --> 00:52:04,800
a reemergence or at least attempting to party state.

745
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: Jews didn't have an ethnic grievance against Japan.

746
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 4: Well, you'd be surprised. But there's a Jewish lady who's

747
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:14,360
very heavily promoting immigration into Japan.

748
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I've done an episode on her. Yeah, I

749
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,280
know that, but I'm talking about organized I'm talking about

750
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,519
organized jewelry. Did not I mean, there was no Morgenthyle

751
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:28,360
plan for for Japan. Japan was basically destroyed and but ye,

752
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,719
before the before the war was I mean, Oppenheimer was upset,

753
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,480
mostly because he thought that they were going to use

754
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:43,519
his bomb on Germany and not Japan. I mean this, yeah,

755
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:47,679
this is that's the reason why Germany is destroyed in

756
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,519
Japan is still you know, Japan, I mean, Japan is

757
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:55,360
still Japanese look, and Germany is not German.

758
00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:02,599
Speaker 4: I'm not intimate familiar with the JQ and I haven't

759
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:05,039
done my readings on this, and I don't claim to

760
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:09,800
fully understand it, but I'm a stupid village boy from Lebanon,

761
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,280
and in Lebanon, everybody knows that an Armenian Christian is

762
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,480
not the same as an Orthodox Christian, is not the

763
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:20,440
same as a Maronite Christian, is not the same as

764
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,159
a Catholic, like the Catholics and the Maronite, the proper

765
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,679
Latin Rite Catholics versus the Maronites. That's their real grievance

766
00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:33,559
in Lebanon. And so I fully understand that every single

767
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,559
group has its own interests and its own values, and

768
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:40,639
even when these values are as similar as the values

769
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:45,559
of Armenian Orthodox and Middle East An Orthodox, there's always

770
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:49,239
going to be a disagreement over ethnicity. Over church, hierarchy,

771
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,639
over one thing or the other. And so when you

772
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:59,639
see the West so committed to the idea that the

773
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,119
Jewish people the people of Israel, and they were referred

774
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:06,880
to as the people of Israel before the emergence of

775
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,880
the State of Israel, like this is not you, you know,

776
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,039
But when you see this commitment to the idea that

777
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,679
the Jewish people are not a separate group with their

778
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:19,800
own values, on their own interests, and nobody can say

779
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:24,320
that they have different interests than everybody else, that to

780
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:30,480
me is simply insane, because everything I know about the

781
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:35,400
world says to be exactly the opposite, and it says

782
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:42,880
to me always that a minority that feels threatened will

783
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:48,039
want other minority allies, and will want to strengthen minority allies,

784
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:52,000
and will want to weaken the majority out of an

785
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:53,760
instinct of self reservation.

786
00:54:54,719 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: And really to define a way a majority through radical egalitarianism.

787
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, the whole meltar it's it's it's radically ganitarianism

788
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,280
is an insane idea, Yeah.

789
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 3: Of course it is. Yeah, the whole melting.

790
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: Pot crazy, I mean, the whole melting pot, the whole

791
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,400
melting pot. It makes sense when you realize that if

792
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,559
you are a small minority that for two thousand years

793
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:28,000
or nineteen hundred years, every place you went you stood

794
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,719
out like a sore thumb. You would want every country

795
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,039
that you're in to be a melting pot because now

796
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:38,840
you blend in amongst the twenty other ethnic groups that

797
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,119
have absolutely you know, overrun it. And I mean, and

798
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:46,400
I'm not that's not my theory. I mean Jewish Jewish

799
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,239
philosophers have said that Jewish political theorists have said that

800
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:53,719
we want we want other countries to have as many

801
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,639
ethnicities there as possible, because then we we blend in well, right.

802
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,519
Speaker 2: And even the non Jewish, know, the Bolsheviks, uh and

803
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:07,360
and everything. This was a you know, which were dominated

804
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:08,960
you know by Jews.

805
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 4: I get that.

806
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:16,599
Speaker 2: But yeah, the whole idea that that I can erase

807
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:22,400
all differences is that's not just so that everybody gets along.

808
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:28,079
Speaker 1: There is no So Lenin immediately passed anti Semitism laws.

809
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:31,480
He said, anyone who anyone who's an anti Semite is

810
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:36,800
anti revolution is I mean, so, I mean, what is

811
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,360
that I mean?

812
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 4: And then there was the Soviet promotion of all kinds

813
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:51,320
of ethnic identities except for the Russian identity right, which

814
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,960
was also a way of making sure that the Russians

815
00:56:54,000 --> 00:57:00,000
wouldn't have a naturalist basis on which to reject commune.

816
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:06,440
And it worked for two generations, and it worked for

817
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:10,519
two generations, and it did its job. So this commitment

818
00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:17,760
to the idea of eganitarianism, one of its effects is

819
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,639
that if we're all equal, then we must have a democracy,

820
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,760
because that's the only way in which our equality can

821
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,679
be expressed. And we should ignore the fact that it's

822
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:29,599
always going to be a bit of an ethnic democracy,

823
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:32,199
that the blacks get their black candidates, and that they

824
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:35,159
Hispanic get their Hispanic candidates, and so on, so long

825
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:40,920
as the whites don't get their white candidates, and it

826
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:46,760
just becomes more and more destructive. And this system has

827
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:54,000
become so powerful that no man can actually break it.

828
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,440
The only place where the system where I have some

829
00:57:56,599 --> 00:58:02,599
hope that the system can be broken is Britain, because

830
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:07,800
the way parliamentary sovereignty works is that Parliament can legislate anything.

831
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,880
There's no constitution here, there's no Bill of Rights, there's

832
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,559
no judicial supremacy, there is no judicial review of government laws.

833
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:22,679
Like parliament in a series of acts can simply overturn

834
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:28,480
the entire political system at will. It can do things

835
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:33,000
like define British identity and it no longer means anybody

836
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:34,599
with a British piece, with a piece of paper that

837
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,840
says that they're British like the one that I have,

838
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:41,119
and say the action the actual truth. Anybody whose roots

839
00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:44,800
in Britain trace back to pre nineteen forty five or

840
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,280
pre nineteen forty eight, when the first wave of migrants game.

841
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,920
None of the other countries in the West have that

842
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:57,559
kind of flexibility in their system. None of them has it.

843
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,679
Will they? That's a pretty big question, which is why

844
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,039
you know Nick fuent As being on Toper Carlson is

845
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:12,679
become such a big deal mm hmmm, because it forces

846
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,760
an examination of this conversation in a way that isn't bitter.

847
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,719
Kind of it kind of like your conversation Pete with

848
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:25,159
the with Martin made I forget his actual name, Daryl Cooper,

849
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:29,519
kind of the same conversation, which is, Yep, this is

850
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:35,320
a different group, different identity. There's no point in we're Christians,

851
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,280
we don't hate them blindly, but there's no point in

852
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,000
pretending that it's the same identity and the same ethnicity

853
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,960
or that is the same system of values. More importantly,

854
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,760
what what is it that you think? What is it

855
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:53,679
that you think?

856
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 2: And I've got I'll just go ahead and tell you

857
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,880
what I think it is because I'm not a I'm

858
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,480
I'm not a grop groper, however you say it.

859
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:03,159
Speaker 4: Uh.

860
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: But but he really, I think he Nick has a

861
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:12,280
following because there's an entire generation that is growing up

862
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:18,920
and has grown up without being able to say, oh

863
01:00:18,719 --> 01:00:23,000
I can I I can do as well or better

864
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:26,360
than my parents. And and and we're in this together.

865
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:30,280
We have a we're rowing the boat the same direction.

866
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 3: That there is.

867
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 2: It's beyond you know, identity has become such a word

868
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,880
with a lot of baggage. But but just this, this

869
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,079
common belonging to something that's greater than myself and the

870
01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,719
and both you know, all three legs of the institutional

871
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,760
stool that God, that God instituted, you know, family, church,

872
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:58,519
and state. Traditionally, in a functioning civilization, you felt a

873
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:02,320
part of something bigger than yourself. And each one of

874
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,840
those things. You served your family, which was bigger than

875
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,440
you as an individual. You served your church, your religious institution,

876
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:13,960
and even if it was just attending, and it was

877
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,920
bigger than yourself and achieving higher purposes than just you

878
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:22,119
as an individual, and certainly the state as hey, this

879
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:28,159
is the state serves to bless and protect its citizens.

880
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:31,079
And then we have our civic duties and our civic

881
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:34,280
roles that we play a part of. And it seems

882
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,079
like all three of those legs are under attack and

883
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,079
Nick for And I don't, you know, I don't agree

884
01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:44,800
with everything Nick says or how he goes about it.

885
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,800
I think a lot of it's kind of meta ironic,

886
01:01:48,199 --> 01:01:51,920
seems like the clips I've seen, But I think he's

887
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,199
tapping into that.

888
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:55,679
Speaker 3: Feeling of well, wait a minute, then.

889
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: Where are the institutions where I can achieve something better

890
01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:03,519
than bigger than just me, you know, living in my mind,

891
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:06,320
you know, playing video games and doing whatever, you know.

892
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:15,039
Speaker 4: The way I think about the gropers is this, m

893
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:19,719
Imagine if the child who yelled that the emperor had

894
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:25,079
no clothes was ignored for ten years, and he became

895
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:29,559
a teenager and he could see that everybody knew that

896
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:35,679
the emperor had no clothes, and everybody insisted that he

897
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,719
was the bad guy for saying that the emperor had

898
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:47,920
no clothes take those teenage hormones, replicate them on thousands

899
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:55,440
and thousands and millions of followers, and then imagine what happens.

900
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:03,320
So this guy, he's creally, he's clearly brilliant, he's clearly

901
01:03:03,639 --> 01:03:11,519
extremely well read, does his own work. Exceptional memory, exceptional

902
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:12,480
oratory skill.

903
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing that gives me. This is a

904
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:21,559
guy who can go on for two hours and just command,

905
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:24,280
just command the presence exactly.

906
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 3: It's similar to Trump's skill in that way.

907
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:35,079
Speaker 4: Yep, I would argue much better, okay, because he can

908
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:40,559
keep a thread together rather than jump off into fifty

909
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:43,320
different directions, and when he does, he's all back together.

910
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 3: Right.

911
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:55,239
Speaker 4: So, these kids who've known for all of their years

912
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:00,360
of awareness, from the moment that they hit the age

913
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:06,360
of reason, that the Emperor had no clothes, are now teenagers,

914
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,480
and if they aren't teenagers, they're in their twenties and thirties,

915
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:17,239
and they know that there's something fundamentally broken, and every

916
01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:20,199
time they try to point it out, they're told they're

917
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:24,480
the bad guy for pointing it out. So imagine the

918
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:29,199
kind of resentment, and imagine the kind of cymicism that

919
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:36,519
they must have. And now, for the first time, they're

920
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:42,039
being properly acknowledged because Fwentes, through the sheer force of

921
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:49,639
his personality, has made the establishment listen to him. And

922
01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:53,320
he's been helped along by the madness of Nataniaho and

923
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:59,719
the belligerents and flagrance of Nataniaho. And he's been helped

924
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,079
alone by the failure of war after war after war

925
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:06,920
in them at least, all of which fundamentally led to

926
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:13,440
disasters for Christendom. That was the one common outcome in

927
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:20,559
all of these wars. And now he has commanded a

928
01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:31,159
seat on the table through persistence, perseverance, and skill. And

929
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,400
you see this insane reaction from everybody who's calling him

930
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,920
a Nazi with some reason when you take some of

931
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,079
his quotes, But really, if you take the time to

932
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:46,480
listen to the guy speaking for an hour on some

933
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:50,199
of his recent stuff, like I haven't sort of looked

934
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:52,639
back into what he was saying years ago. For the

935
01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:57,719
past few weeks, really, I've been listening to him for

936
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:04,880
an hour or so speaking regularly, and he's extremely articulate,

937
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:12,480
very thoughtful, genuinely not a hater, right, but pretty clear

938
01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:15,719
in what he's saying. And he's you can see that

939
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,320
this is a guy who thinks before he goes to confession,

940
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:23,960
you know, And that's a big deal in a man

941
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,199
this young, and that's a wonderful thing to develop and cultivate.

942
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,880
So yeah, I'm sure that he's said some pretty horrible things,

943
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,320
but I'm not going to sort of denounce or distance

944
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:45,639
myself from that because I genuinely don't care, and because

945
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,440
the much worse things that are said constantly get completely

946
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,119
brushed under the carpet, and because I do believe in

947
01:06:54,119 --> 01:06:57,679
a level of unity on the right, and I don't

948
01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:00,920
think that people on the right would be playing by

949
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:07,159
the left's game and throw their own side under the

950
01:07:07,199 --> 01:07:13,920
bus just because somebody used the magic incantation of Nazi

951
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:18,199
anti semi blah blah blah. And as a Catholic, like

952
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,519
one of the first groups that the that the Nazis

953
01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:23,320
came from came for were the Catholics.

954
01:07:23,639 --> 01:07:27,159
Speaker 1: Communist I don't feel any they came for. They came

955
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:28,880
for Communist priests.

956
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:33,519
Speaker 4: Okay, but some Catholics, like a big bunch of Catholics

957
01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:41,320
as well, And I don't feel any compulsion to play

958
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,920
that game, maybe because I'm from Lebanon, so I don't care,

959
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,480
but I don't feel any pressure to play that game,

960
01:07:49,199 --> 01:07:51,480
and I and I and I and I refuse to

961
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:52,119
play that game.

962
01:07:54,159 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 3: Well, the problem.

963
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: The problem is is that you if you have somebody

964
01:07:58,039 --> 01:08:01,800
who you politically align with, you know is on your side.

965
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,119
You know. Charles Haywood says no enemies to the right,

966
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:07,239
And what no enemies to the right means is that

967
01:08:07,519 --> 01:08:11,840
it's not that you can't disagree with people on your side,

968
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,320
and it's not that you don't want to scold them

969
01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:18,119
or maybe have a you know, a strong conversation with them,

970
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:21,720
but you fucking don't do it in public, okay, because

971
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,520
you're just you're you're strengthening our our enemies by doing that.

972
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,920
Our enemies see that we're that we're not we're not

973
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:33,680
united because they don't do that. I mean, the right

974
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:39,760
cancels their radicals and the left guests stairs elected. Yeah that,

975
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:42,359
I'm sorry.

976
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 4: Can I add a bit of nuance to that?

977
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: Sure? Please go.

978
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:52,399
Speaker 4: It's that they are. It's that first, we're commanded to

979
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:57,199
love our enemies, and so if we have disagreements on

980
01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:03,520
the right, the command that we ought to operate under

981
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:09,079
is firstly to love our enemies. Secondly, considering the fact

982
01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:13,359
that they are our brothers, not our enemies, means that

983
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:19,680
we disagree with them, even publicly, but as friends m hm,

984
01:09:20,039 --> 01:09:24,199
as people adding nuanced and detail to each other, as

985
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:27,439
people who want all of us to pass through the

986
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,800
narrowgate together.

987
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:30,279
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

988
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 4: Not playing the game of the left of saying I

989
01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:38,079
denounced this and I denounced that, and I disown him,

990
01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:41,000
and I disown her, and I you know, not her,

991
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:43,000
because I don't listen to any females who talk about

992
01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:46,039
politics as a matter of principle, it's not it's not

993
01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:47,920
it's not for you, ladies, thank you.

994
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:50,399
Speaker 3: But.

995
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 4: We just don't play that game based on the on

996
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:59,600
those rules. And if I see someone like Daryl Cooper,

997
01:10:00,039 --> 01:10:04,319
Nick fuent Is, you guys much more articulate, much more

998
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:08,520
well read than I am, much more much better informed

999
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,680
than I am, and I disagree with you over something

1000
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:16,800
like I'm not going to denounce you. That's that's that,

1001
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,239
And I'm not going to play that game of saying

1002
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,239
I have a better more character than you because I

1003
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:30,600
denounced that sentence that Ron said or that sentence that

1004
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,399
Pete said, and that makes him evil and you know,

1005
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:42,119
beyond redemption. No like no from we're not playing that

1006
01:10:42,199 --> 01:10:43,720
game this way. End of discussion.

1007
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 2: Well it's just Matthew eighteen and not to not to

1008
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,560
go on a well.

1009
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go on a little.

1010
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 2: I'll tell it's my it's kind of my bag, a

1011
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,199
little theological deal, you know. Matthew eighteen says, if you

1012
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:02,319
see your brother sinning, you go to him privately. You

1013
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:06,279
go to him privately, and then if and if he

1014
01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:09,000
doesn't repent, if he doesn't change his mind, then take

1015
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,359
take another couple of brothers with you and talk to him.

1016
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:18,359
You handle this, you know, I had, like I'm sure

1017
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:20,199
we all are. I'm in a bunch of group chats

1018
01:11:20,199 --> 01:11:22,079
and everything, and one of them is a bunch of

1019
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:26,840
hard charging guys who you know, get some really amazing

1020
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,479
things done. And I'd been in an argument, you know,

1021
01:11:31,279 --> 01:11:33,560
on Twitter about something and I kind of brought some

1022
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,720
of that animosity to a group chat and I kind

1023
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,000
of stepped on a guy a little bit, and so

1024
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:42,960
faithful one of the guys says, hey, you know, go

1025
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,520
go talk to so. You call so and so because

1026
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,199
you're a little I immediately, did that's how.

1027
01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 3: You handle that? You don't go, well, screw him, you know, No.

1028
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 2: You go and and and so so. Then after you

1029
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,920
take brothers to him in Matthew eighteen, that doesn't work,

1030
01:12:01,079 --> 01:12:05,439
then you bring them before the church, not the outside world,

1031
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,159
even at that point. And if they don't then if

1032
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:12,239
they don't you know, repent or whatever. If we can't

1033
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:16,600
all hug it out, then there's the final awful step

1034
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,439
of excommunication. But you see all those and and it's

1035
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:25,199
based upon this idea. This may seem crass, but look,

1036
01:12:25,279 --> 01:12:30,800
if I've been given one magazine for my sixteen, I

1037
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,640
can't be spending it on the people in the foxhole

1038
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:34,000
with me.

1039
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 3: That that gun's got to be pointed over there.

1040
01:12:39,159 --> 01:12:44,239
Speaker 2: And so it's something that we I've written a lot

1041
01:12:44,279 --> 01:12:48,279
about this whole idea of christs ethic of enmity. I

1042
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:53,319
think it's something that the church, regardless of branch, we

1043
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,239
need to focus on and be more thoughtful about. For

1044
01:12:56,279 --> 01:12:58,520
the exactly what you're talking about, Pharahs.

1045
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:03,199
Speaker 4: It's a I couldn't agree You couldn't be more right.

1046
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:07,239
I couldn't agree with you more. But I'll just note

1047
01:13:07,279 --> 01:13:12,439
that when you bring a couple of brothers, or when

1048
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,199
you take it to the church in a way, you

1049
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:18,600
are making it public but you're not making it hostile,

1050
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,039
and you're not making it into an enmity, and you're

1051
01:13:24,079 --> 01:13:31,479
not making it into a irresolvable conflict. You are making

1052
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:37,720
it into a good faith conversation, where as part of

1053
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,600
that conversation you might learn that the beam is in

1054
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:48,640
your eye, not in his. We all have learned that

1055
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:52,359
at some point in our lives, you know, we've all

1056
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:56,079
learned that at some point in our lives. So you're

1057
01:13:56,159 --> 01:14:00,680
coming at it from a place of friendship rather than

1058
01:14:04,319 --> 01:14:10,600
you're sort of nailing him with a prescription or with

1059
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:15,319
an excommunication and saying this guy is forever my enemy

1060
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:17,600
because I disagree with him on one, two, and three.

1061
01:14:20,399 --> 01:14:25,239
So so it's not the public part. I mean, public

1062
01:14:25,319 --> 01:14:31,640
differences make reconciliation harder. But we've just seen Tucker Carlson

1063
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,439
and Nick Fuentis do precisely that, have a very public

1064
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:39,439
feud and then a very public reconciliation to Christians to

1065
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:40,960
Christians exactly.

1066
01:14:41,399 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when I'm sorry, I have to interrupt here,

1067
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,680
and I'm going to be that guy. I'm going to

1068
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:52,079
be that guy. When Denesh de Suza canceled and basically

1069
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:55,760
tried to destroy the life of Samuel sam Francis Denesh

1070
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,640
de Susa is not he calls it. He's supposed to

1071
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,560
be on our team, but he's not a Christian. He

1072
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,680
doesn't understand this. When Jonah Goldberg is out there looking

1073
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:10,359
to destroy people because you know, because he because you

1074
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:13,359
can't be a you can't call yourself a fascist if

1075
01:15:13,399 --> 01:15:16,159
you're on the right, because I wrote a book about

1076
01:15:16,319 --> 01:15:20,159
liberal fascism and the leftists or the real fascists, So

1077
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,039
if you have any kind of fascism, I'm going to

1078
01:15:23,119 --> 01:15:26,520
cancel you. Well, he doesn't understand this. You're talking about

1079
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:31,239
something that is very distinctly Christian. And we have people

1080
01:15:31,239 --> 01:15:35,880
in our camp who don't understand this. They're immediate, they're

1081
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:41,439
outsiders when it comes down to it, they are outsiders Christendom.

1082
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:46,119
There's a reason why Christendom where it stayed Christian. There's

1083
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:50,720
a reason why Spain had a Golden Age because they

1084
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:54,840
ejected all of the non Christians. They rejected all the

1085
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:55,720
non Catholics.

1086
01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:01,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, the history of the converso that

1087
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:05,600
whole era is is in the in the Protestant Church,

1088
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:11,399
in the Evangelical Church. It's just unknown, you know, liberal.

1089
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:17,520
I think we'd all, we all yearn for ordered liberty,

1090
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:22,520
but ordered liberty cannot exist without a very illiberal protective shell.

1091
01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 4: Yes, just can't. Even Even the.

1092
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 2: Radical libertarian Hans Hermann Happa basically said, you kind of

1093
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,239
have to have a sovereign on top of this who

1094
01:16:36,319 --> 01:16:40,800
helps protect this thing if you want to have this

1095
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:48,239
this utopian liberty in here. But yeah, Locke, let's let's

1096
01:16:48,319 --> 01:16:51,000
just and and I just want everybody to know I'm

1097
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,720
not a philosophical liberal, but I'll tell you if you

1098
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:59,439
could just get back to Lockey and truly Lockey in liberalism,

1099
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:05,199
that would that would be denounced as far right reactionary

1100
01:17:05,319 --> 01:17:09,319
fascism today, lock lock hat Locke basically said, you can't

1101
01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:16,159
have uncommon presuppositions and have liberalism. You can't have atheists

1102
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:18,359
in the public square. Doesn't mean you have to go

1103
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:23,600
kill them all, probably, but you can't have Plato in laws.

1104
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:27,520
When you forget Symposium, forget the Republic, don't forget those

1105
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,079
but those I think were written esoterically. When he finally

1106
01:17:30,079 --> 01:17:34,079
gets around to writing very openly, he says, you can't

1107
01:17:34,119 --> 01:17:37,600
have homosexuals in the in the public square. They will

1108
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:42,159
destroy your civilization? Is that because we all hate hate

1109
01:17:42,199 --> 01:17:43,479
people who disagree with us.

1110
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 3: No, it just means you have to be rowing the

1111
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,119
both the same direction. Publicly.

1112
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,520
Speaker 2: It means that if you want freedom in it to

1113
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,680
be ordered, not just libertine chaos, there has to be

1114
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:02,720
some protection around it. You have to fence the public square.

1115
01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:07,720
And this is very, very hard for Americans who, because

1116
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,720
we had a common culture for so long, believe that

1117
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:15,600
that that that was a stasis, Yes, that it didn't

1118
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:20,359
need to be protected, and it wasn't. It wasn't a stasis.

1119
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:25,039
It wasn't static. It was incredibly dynamic. And now look around, now,

1120
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:29,560
are you kidding me? Only fans we promote and make

1121
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:34,239
legal a service which prostitutes our daughters?

1122
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,239
Speaker 3: Are you? Are you kidding me?

1123
01:18:37,079 --> 01:18:37,319
Speaker 4: Well?

1124
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 1: Like that that is im the.

1125
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 4: Fever of the first president who commits to drone strikes

1126
01:18:44,039 --> 01:18:48,439
against only fans and porn hub and and these guys.

1127
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,319
I don't want to drone strike if you know who

1128
01:18:51,319 --> 01:18:54,800
the owners to strike Venezuela. I want a drone strike

1129
01:18:55,079 --> 01:18:56,800
OnlyFans and porn hubs.

1130
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: Well, if you if you know who the owners of

1131
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,920
those two are, you're going to be called an anti semi.

1132
01:19:03,039 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 4: That's the thing. That's the thing that there is this

1133
01:19:08,119 --> 01:19:17,000
objective reality of overrepresentation in some industries, finance and media

1134
01:19:17,119 --> 01:19:20,079
being the most prominent ones. Media in all of its forms,

1135
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:28,800
decent and nefarious, that when mentioned is met with this

1136
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:34,399
anti Semitism defensive shield. But it's not actually a shield.

1137
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:38,159
It's closer to an incantation. It's more of a bunch

1138
01:19:38,199 --> 01:19:42,560
of magic words that say you're not allowed to notice.

1139
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:48,800
And the answer to that isn't enmity. It's to say,

1140
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:54,159
some things that are so critical for the functioning of

1141
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:58,439
an economy and a society must be in the hands

1142
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:03,199
of truly loyal se objects. And loyalty is in part

1143
01:20:03,239 --> 01:20:05,079
a function of identity and beliefs.

1144
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 3: Loyalty is the chief is the chief aspect of pistas,

1145
01:20:10,119 --> 01:20:14,319
the word that we translate faith in the New Testament. Right,

1146
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:20,199
it's loyalty and allegiance. Everybody is important as belief right,

1147
01:20:20,319 --> 01:20:21,159
Go ahead.

1148
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,319
Speaker 4: Don't know, please please continue on that theme.

1149
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:29,159
Speaker 2: Well, so, okay, well I'm just so I've been slowly

1150
01:20:29,239 --> 01:20:34,119
going through the Republic and then commenting on it in

1151
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:37,760
Twitter about how it aligns with so many of the

1152
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,159
If you read between the lines, so to speak, and

1153
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:44,079
you're doing the reading in Greek about how it aligns

1154
01:20:44,119 --> 01:20:47,520
with what Paul and the apostle John were saying. So

1155
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:54,960
just these ideas of pistice, which is translated belief or

1156
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,000
faith in the New Testament, has this aspect of loyalty

1157
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:03,279
of allegiance. It's it's the type of belief that you

1158
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,720
have for your wife in a in a marriage that's

1159
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:11,239
just where both parties are blessed because you're so committed

1160
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,359
that nothing's going to tear it, you know, Uh par as,

1161
01:21:14,359 --> 01:21:16,199
I don't know your wife, but I know Petza he

1162
01:21:16,279 --> 01:21:19,760
married well, and I sure married well, and I would

1163
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,039
I would die and I would kill for my wife.

1164
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:28,279
My wife is and I'm not being some cucked guy.

1165
01:21:28,399 --> 01:21:32,359
She's just she's my glory. And so that type I

1166
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:38,760
believe in her. But that belief engenders allegiance, loyalty, a

1167
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,920
covenantal bond. And it's highly related to this other Greek

1168
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:47,439
word that both Plato and Paul use uh uh dicyosune,

1169
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,159
and it's related to dikayu, which is just or justice.

1170
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:58,840
Dikai dicayosune is is translated righteousness, and it's allegiance which

1171
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:03,279
can only which is relational, can only that's what leads

1172
01:22:03,319 --> 01:22:08,960
to this covenantal faithfulness, which is righteousness. Righteousness isn't a substance,

1173
01:22:09,039 --> 01:22:10,159
it's not substantive.

1174
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 3: Uh, it's this.

1175
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 2: It's this relational reality where you live in relation. That

1176
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,279
is that is good and true for all parties involved.

1177
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,239
That is righteousness, and we can't do it perfectly. And

1178
01:22:24,279 --> 01:22:27,680
that's why we receive this. We we receive that in

1179
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:32,720
in uh uh, in Christ's perfect righteousness, you know, and

1180
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,720
and all that. But but but just let's keep it

1181
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,039
in a political theology sense.

1182
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:38,039
Speaker 3: It's this.

1183
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 2: It's me as an individual, I am faithful to my country,

1184
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,560
to I pledge allegiance to my leader, and that that

1185
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,159
produces a righteousness.

1186
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:53,039
Speaker 3: That that that that fills up the civilization. That's a

1187
01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:58,239
civilization that thrives. And that's what the republic uh is

1188
01:22:58,319 --> 01:23:02,359
truly about. And that's what Plato later really explained in Laws.

1189
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,119
And that's what the New the New Testament writings are about.

1190
01:23:06,119 --> 01:23:09,079
When Paul writes about the Body of Christ, that's a

1191
01:23:09,119 --> 01:23:15,159
political body. That it's not just oh, this theoretical illustration. No,

1192
01:23:15,359 --> 01:23:18,439
it's a political body. We're not just here to have

1193
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,800
an experience individually. We are here to live.

1194
01:23:22,079 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: In this unified blessing that is that is loyal, faithful, true,

1195
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:33,399
and works. Okay, sorry, my Protestant brother brothers are going

1196
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:35,479
to get mad at me because that sounded very Catholic,

1197
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:36,680
but I mean it.

1198
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 3: That's true.

1199
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:45,520
Speaker 4: No, no, that's I have a personal point and a

1200
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:51,119
cynical point. The personal point is this is genuinely beautiful,

1201
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,720
and I want to learn more about this and understand

1202
01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:00,000
this even better because I don't speak week. I don't

1203
01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:04,439
understand these things. I'm a you know, I got baptized,

1204
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,319
what is it, six seven years ago now, so I'm

1205
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:16,359
very you, thank you. The cynical point is, imagine if

1206
01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:19,640
you get to switch loyalties every two years, every five years,

1207
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,319
imagine what kind of system you end up with.

1208
01:24:26,119 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1209
01:24:28,039 --> 01:24:34,560
Speaker 4: This is not equipped for the challenges that the West

1210
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:40,199
faces today. Is the wrong system, right, It's fundamentally the

1211
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:45,800
wrong system. And I know Americans love the Constitution and

1212
01:24:46,399 --> 01:24:50,760
the Brits love the Crown in Parliament idea and and

1213
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:56,640
and and and everything that comes with that. But there

1214
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,399
is an objective truth here. If you're going to bark

1215
01:25:01,319 --> 01:25:05,359
on a fifteen to twenty year program to recover the West,

1216
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:14,159
their reality is that it can't be a hesitant one

1217
01:25:14,199 --> 01:25:20,520
step forward, two steps back program, and that is all

1218
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,159
you will get in a democratic system, and it will

1219
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:32,800
therefore be always manage decline. And you can't fix this

1220
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:39,840
without addressing the question of loyalty, and that question of loyalty,

1221
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:45,319
to be properly addressed, must include separation between different kinds

1222
01:25:45,359 --> 01:25:50,680
of citizens, particularly those who are a Christian, those who

1223
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,000
are not, those who belong to this people, those who

1224
01:25:54,039 --> 01:25:57,520
do not, whatever this people happens to be, the German,

1225
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:04,119
the Italian, the British, English, whatever it is. So it

1226
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:09,159
can't function in a neganditarian system, and it can't function

1227
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:14,399
in a democratic system. And it also can't function if

1228
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,399
every effort to build a family is constantly being subverted

1229
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:22,920
by the culture, and if we're constantly paranoid about what

1230
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:27,079
our children are learning at school, especially in Europe where

1231
01:26:27,079 --> 01:26:32,159
you don't have school choice, where private education is unaffordable.

1232
01:26:32,199 --> 01:26:36,439
For somebody paying fifty percent of their income to the

1233
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:41,119
government sixty percent, if you consider all of the indirect taxes,

1234
01:26:41,159 --> 01:26:44,760
it's even more. You know, not only do you pay

1235
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,319
if you're a higher rate taxpayer forty percent in Britain,

1236
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,199
you also pay twenty percent of everything that you purchase

1237
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:56,760
on VAT, except for like food and rent and things

1238
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,960
like that. Everything else you pay twenty percent VAT on top.

1239
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:04,399
So it isn't possible to function in this way when

1240
01:27:04,399 --> 01:27:08,359
you're constantly being subverted, when you don't have a true identity,

1241
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,159
and when your values are endlessly under attack. And so

1242
01:27:13,399 --> 01:27:15,840
part of the problem going back to the Trump administration

1243
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:22,560
is that what they're trying to solve is an economic problem.

1244
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:27,359
But the problem isn't an economic one. The problem is

1245
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:33,119
fundamentally a philosophical one. Who are the American people? Well,

1246
01:27:33,159 --> 01:27:39,399
the the wasps must have a special place in that definition,

1247
01:27:42,079 --> 01:27:47,760
Christianity must have a special place in that definition. European

1248
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:52,680
ethnicities must have a special place in that definition. These

1249
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:57,560
things are all interrelated. Plus, if you're trying to solve

1250
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:02,039
the economic problem without solving the family problem, without solving

1251
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:05,479
the inability to think in a long term fashion, because

1252
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:09,479
of the political structure, you're not going to get anywhere

1253
01:28:11,039 --> 01:28:13,119
what you want to get to the system where the

1254
01:28:13,159 --> 01:28:16,520
presidential election is more or less a referendum. Do you

1255
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,800
agree to this guy continuing for another four years? Yes?

1256
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:24,319
Another four yes, another four yes? And the constitutional barriers

1257
01:28:24,359 --> 01:28:25,920
do that like they have.

1258
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,560
Speaker 3: To go, you know, m h.

1259
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 4: And so there's a but the political system is so

1260
01:28:35,159 --> 01:28:41,479
strong that no man is able to change it. That's

1261
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:45,079
also partly because there is no man who sees the

1262
01:28:45,079 --> 01:28:47,239
political system who brought him to power as a problem,

1263
01:28:50,119 --> 01:28:53,439
unless he was enough of a megalomaniac to say, I

1264
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,279
want to break that system with the explicit objective of

1265
01:28:56,359 --> 01:29:01,439
remaining in power indefinitely until the day I die under

1266
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:08,319
a monarchic system, and then we'll see who inherits the mantle.

1267
01:29:09,239 --> 01:29:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that succession. We'll deal with legitimacy later. Or I mean,

1268
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,680
that's legitimacy, we'll deal with succession later. But it was

1269
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,119
the somebody said all of Shakespeare was about succession and

1270
01:29:20,279 --> 01:29:22,680
legitimacy in all its different facets.

1271
01:29:23,239 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 3: Right now, that's really good, you know.

1272
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,399
Speaker 2: The the the issue again, we keep getting back to

1273
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:34,319
this identity issue. And I want to talk about something

1274
01:29:35,359 --> 01:29:37,479
and and and I want to be delicate because I

1275
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:43,520
really have I harbor no hatred or or really for

1276
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:47,479
any anybody. I don't I mean Pete, you know me,

1277
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:51,039
I'm I'm I'm a pretty big tent kind of guy.

1278
01:29:52,119 --> 01:29:54,800
And I write for Claremont and Claremont you know, is

1279
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:58,199
uh it's it. It was founded by a bunch of

1280
01:29:59,079 --> 01:30:03,000
kind of right wing Catholic guys, but it was under

1281
01:30:03,039 --> 01:30:06,520
the you know, under the teachings of Strauss and Jaffa,

1282
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:08,680
you know, these these Jewish intellectuals.

1283
01:30:09,319 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 3: And and I love these guys, I really do.

1284
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 2: And so I want to be I want to be

1285
01:30:14,319 --> 01:30:16,520
I want to be delicate when I talk about this.

1286
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:23,880
But there's a reason why Christians have tended towards uh A,

1287
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:28,840
an executive form of government, be it monarchy or or

1288
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:33,960
true executive power. And article as the Constitution intended, you know,

1289
01:30:34,279 --> 01:30:38,439
Article two powers. That's a that's that's a light king

1290
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:42,800
in a sense, not a full king, not a son king, but.

1291
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 3: But a king kind of king liked.

1292
01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:50,199
Speaker 2: And there's a reason why why intellectual Jewish groups, be

1293
01:30:50,279 --> 01:30:52,760
they on the right or left. But but let's take

1294
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,720
the ones the Jews who are on the right, have

1295
01:30:55,880 --> 01:31:01,439
tended towards a more deliberative uh A pro that's that

1296
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:06,960
is part and parcel of our founding documents as Christians

1297
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,720
and Jews. Jews have a talmud. It bought brought a

1298
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:17,439
codification of the of the Mishnah that was part of

1299
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:21,319
the whole Pharisee Sadducee system that had the Council of

1300
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,079
the Sanhedrin, the Council of the seventy.

1301
01:31:24,159 --> 01:31:27,600
Speaker 3: It's an extension of that. It is by nature a

1302
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:32,119
deliberative thing. And the New Testament sets up a global emperor,

1303
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:37,520
which is Jesus King of Kings is a euphemism for emperor,

1304
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:43,159
but it is a royal succession. Peter says that you

1305
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:48,439
talking about everyone who's baptized are now a royal priesthood,

1306
01:31:49,399 --> 01:31:55,000
a holy people. And so there's a reason why we

1307
01:31:55,199 --> 01:32:00,560
have this difference in outlook and position. And so there

1308
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:05,640
there's this schizophrenia in Christian nations that have this radically

1309
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:11,800
deliberative posture because it's against they're founding documents in the

1310
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,399
New Testament. And again, I want.

1311
01:32:14,199 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 2: To be very I don't mean to be radical or

1312
01:32:19,319 --> 01:32:22,079
or against anyone, but I do think that we need

1313
01:32:22,119 --> 01:32:28,039
to think philosophically as Christians, really rethink some of these ideas.

1314
01:32:28,119 --> 01:32:32,000
I just wrote in in American Reformer and it got

1315
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,039
picked up by Theopolis Institute that in the New in

1316
01:32:35,119 --> 01:32:38,319
the New Covenant, we're we're under the rule of men,

1317
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,239
not of law law was to grow us up and

1318
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:46,039
inform us, oh, well thank you. That means a lot

1319
01:32:46,119 --> 01:32:47,279
coming from you, faris.

1320
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:49,640
Speaker 4: But if I shared it with everybody on the lou

1321
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,520
diseaters and and I've got some good feedback on it.

1322
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:56,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, oh that's fantastic. But we I just and

1323
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:00,199
the point is that I want us as Christians to

1324
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:03,920
think about these things and it and he and it

1325
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,079
can help us understand.

1326
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,520
Speaker 3: The the the the.

1327
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 2: Jewish folks who are on the right who do want

1328
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:16,199
to in some way shape or form lock arms with us,

1329
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:18,600
or maybe not lock arms, but at least not be against,

1330
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:21,760
you know, on different sides of the of the battlefield.

1331
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,439
How we can kind of understand the difference in viewpoint

1332
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:27,520
here and then maybe have a little bit more of

1333
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:32,560
a peaceful encounter. And it definitely gives you understanding why

1334
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:35,840
those on the Jewish left feel the way they do.

1335
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:39,079
And and so it's it's something that I want to

1336
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:43,680
as as Christians, be it Catholic or Protestant, to think

1337
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:47,760
more deeply about. And I don't see much of that

1338
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:50,880
I see as kind of going a lot. Well, well,

1339
01:33:51,079 --> 01:33:54,079
we're kind of deliberative people. Well, as Christians were kind

1340
01:33:54,079 --> 01:33:58,079
of not we're kind of on this executive We believe

1341
01:33:58,119 --> 01:34:01,199
in the rule of man. We really do, or were

1342
01:34:01,239 --> 01:34:02,760
supposed to, at least.

1343
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:08,279
Speaker 4: I mean, traditionally in most of Europe there was some

1344
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:12,000
kind of assembly under the king, but it was considered

1345
01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:16,960
the king, but it was consultative. It wasn't a decision

1346
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:23,920
making body. It was the king's advisors, and he had

1347
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,800
to look at the opinions of the great and good

1348
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:31,159
in his realm and see what they believed and what

1349
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:34,880
they were thinking, and what their opinions were right. But

1350
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:38,479
there was never really any doubt that the final decision

1351
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:46,399
was truly his. And when you when you end up

1352
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:51,399
with a system with no final decision maker, it makes

1353
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:57,840
you fundamentally unequipped to deal with crisis or difficult situations

1354
01:34:59,039 --> 01:35:03,880
because everybody in a different direction. And that happens even

1355
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:10,319
in a perfectly homogeneous society, right, it doesn't. It's not

1356
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:13,920
that it only happens at a diverse society, but it

1357
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,640
is very much the case that in a diverse society

1358
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:23,680
it becomes much worse, much worse, because everybody is pulling

1359
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:28,640
for ethnic interests but covering it up with principle and

1360
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:34,439
ideology or ideology or like whatever you what you want

1361
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:40,800
to call it. And whenever you say no, these are

1362
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:44,439
the interests that must be supreme, you get hit with

1363
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:49,079
this radical egalitarianism that says no, no, no, no, how dare

1364
01:35:49,119 --> 01:35:55,720
you favor one group? And that this becomes particularly ridiculous

1365
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,920
when the group that you're correctly saying should be favored

1366
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:04,960
is the actual founding group and is the group that

1367
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:11,319
the system cannot function without because it created it. And

1368
01:36:11,359 --> 01:36:14,680
when you have people who never created the system take

1369
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:21,640
it over, you risk ending up like South Africa. Yeah,

1370
01:36:22,039 --> 01:36:25,279
and so you're seeing the West being pulled in the

1371
01:36:25,319 --> 01:36:31,479
South Africa direction constantly because nobody is strong enough to

1372
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:36,880
break the system. And again with the Kroepers, these are

1373
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,520
guys who've been saying, look, this system is broken, it

1374
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:45,000
isn't working, and everybody knows that it isn't working, but

1375
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:48,520
everybody pretends that they're the bad guys. And so what

1376
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:54,600
you're building up there is radicalism. And deffuentis his credit.

1377
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,680
As he's become more powerful, he's become less radical.

1378
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:02,640
Speaker 3: I agree with that, I really do. I think that's

1379
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:03,119
dead on.

1380
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 4: So if this chance has missed of communicating with this generation,

1381
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:18,640
that has been constantly stabbed in the back. It's a

1382
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:23,479
bit hopeless. I mean, I think I can't remember his name,

1383
01:37:26,039 --> 01:37:31,880
Carol Simon Cowell, Simon Cowell. He just sort of entered

1384
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:39,439
into my awareness again, unfortunately because he said because he

1385
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,760
said that he isn't going to give his son any

1386
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,520
of the six hundred million dollars that he has.

1387
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:49,199
Speaker 3: Right, what a bastard? Pardon me?

1388
01:37:50,359 --> 01:37:52,279
Speaker 4: Bill Gates says the same thing, that he's going to

1389
01:37:52,319 --> 01:37:53,960
give his kids some money, but he's not going to

1390
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,640
give them a proper like his whole inheritance.

1391
01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 2: Right.

1392
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:03,600
Speaker 1: I think Buffett's that's somebody. That's somebody who is deracinated

1393
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:06,680
from their past. He's not. The reason he's not giving

1394
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,039
it is because he doesn't have anything to pass down.

1395
01:38:11,039 --> 01:38:14,720
When you pass down six hundred million dollars, you should

1396
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:19,159
also be passing down the stories of your ancestors. And

1397
01:38:19,279 --> 01:38:21,680
you know who we are and where we came from.

1398
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:24,720
And that's not we've been deracinated from that. That does

1399
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:30,079
not exist anymore. So money is just money isn't important

1400
01:38:31,079 --> 01:38:34,880
because you know, like Happa talked about in democracy, the

1401
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,479
god that failed when you have a when you have

1402
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:42,039
a king, he has an interest in making the country

1403
01:38:42,079 --> 01:38:44,279
better than it was when he took it from his father,

1404
01:38:44,319 --> 01:38:46,680
because he wants to pass it to his son. Well,

1405
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:50,760
these aren't people who have any who are thinking about

1406
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:54,239
their past or or who are passing down their past

1407
01:38:54,319 --> 01:38:57,600
to them. So why would you give six hundred million dollars?

1408
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,600
Six hundred million dollars. That's what I made, this lifetime,

1409
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,560
and this lifetime is all we have. There is no past.

1410
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:05,600
Why would I do. My son's not going to have

1411
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,079
a past. So my son, my son's probably not going

1412
01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:10,199
to remember me because I wasn't around most of the time.

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I mean, this is this is a symptom of modernity

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and a symptom of the derassmization and the the social

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engineering regime, especially since World War Two, that has said

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you're not allowed to live historically. If you live historically

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and you and you're proud of your ancestors and where

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01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:31,479
you came from, that's white supremacy or that's that's how

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we get slavery, that's how that's what led to you know,

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the Indians being on reservations in the United States. It's

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all just we're we have no history. History is gone.

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Speaker 3: I look forward and maybe I could do.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen between now and

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when I die, but when I go to rest with

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my fathers, to tell them, look what I left your descendants,

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Look what I left them. Because it's that And my

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granddad was a deeply faithful man. You know, he was

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a fireman. He didn't have a lot materially, but he

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left me so much, so much, and I want to

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honor him. And there's we've lost that, you know, And.

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Speaker 3: And that sense of when you go you die.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you not only receive by the Lord and

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are told well done, good and faithful servant, but you

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are have some conscious experience with those who have gone

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01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:43,960
before you, and you rejoice in what has been left

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01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:50,000
as we as as the Lord's Prayer says, as christ

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prayer says, that our Father, may your will be done

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01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,840
on earth as it is in heaven. Can you make that?

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01:40:58,319 --> 01:41:01,920
Can you actualize that and go celebrate that when you

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lay your head down to rest for the last time?

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And that that's important, that's important for a people to have.

1442
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That It just it fights against it fights against the enemy,

1443
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:20,279
It fights against chaos, It fights against the left, which

1444
01:41:20,319 --> 01:41:25,439
is just a coalescing of all these things of chaos,

1445
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:30,680
of of of of a war against beauty. But it

1446
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:36,319
also fights against time preference, which destroys all these things.

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Speaker 4: Yep, yep. And going back to time preference, democracy is

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01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:44,880
set up to have a the wrong kind of time preference.

1449
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,920
It's sort of set up to be short term. It's

1450
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:50,239
it's not set up to be good and proper and

1451
01:41:50,279 --> 01:41:54,479
long term. It's not set up for building great things.

1452
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It's not made to build cathedrals. It's not made to

1453
01:41:58,079 --> 01:42:04,319
build cathedrals. It's not oriented towards the eternal. It's oriented

1454
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towards them now. And that makes it a terrible system

1455
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:15,680
in which to deal with existential crises or questions. And

1456
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so it's like, I don't see how it survives. This

1457
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:25,439
is on the philosophical side and the political side as

1458
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:29,199
separating it from the economic side and the insane amount

1459
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of debts and the size of the debt bubbles and

1460
01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:35,560
the sizes of the pension bills that the Europeans especially

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01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:39,920
have to pay. This is separating it from from from

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01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:43,600
from the welfare system which is designed to replace the family.

1463
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When you say cradle to grave welfare, what you mean

1464
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is that the state is your mother and father and children.

1465
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:54,359
This is why these people want inheritance tax. You're giving

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back to your father what you owe him.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 4: And that's Chronos. That is very much Chronos. That is

1469
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Kronos eating his children. That is Chronos eating his children.

1470
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That is the state devouring your inheritance, devouring what you

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leave to your children, therefore devouring your children. It prevents

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you from setting up a legacy, a history, a love

1473
01:43:21,319 --> 01:43:23,720
of family, a name to be proud of, a named

1474
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:28,920
to last down the generations. So everything in the setup

1475
01:43:31,079 --> 01:43:34,640
is just wired the wrong way. It's completely wired the

1476
01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:39,199
wrong way, and it can't continue, and it has to break.

1477
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The question is does it break? Because there is a

1478
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man great enough to say, I am going to break

1479
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this and I will make you all follow me. And

1480
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he's not going to be a good man, not in

1481
01:43:54,279 --> 01:43:56,960
the conventional sense, not in today's sense of a great

1482
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,600
man of a good man. But he's going to be

1483
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:06,319
a great man and possessed of Machiavelian virtue. And that's

1484
01:44:06,359 --> 01:44:09,399
what's going to have to come. We need a Caesar,

1485
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:13,199
we need a Napoleon, we need somebody like that to

1486
01:44:13,279 --> 01:44:18,800
bring us out of the scales, and who will that be?

1487
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,039
Who will be the man who is great enough to

1488
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take on this mantle, to wear the armor of God

1489
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:29,000
and to say, I don't care about your constitution, I

1490
01:44:29,039 --> 01:44:31,640
don't care about your liberties, I don't care about your equalities.

1491
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This will happen for your sake, and it will be.

1492
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Speaker 2: Speaking of cathedrals and being a culture that doesn't and

1493
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being a system that doesn't build cathedrals. Have either of

1494
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:53,720
you seen the it's making its rounds the new article

1495
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:59,239
in Harper's about the whole Gooner that have you seen this?

1496
01:45:01,399 --> 01:45:03,000
Maybe we can put it in the show notes a

1497
01:45:03,039 --> 01:45:07,720
link to it. It is chilling, but it's along it's

1498
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along these uh, along these lines of where this the things,

1499
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this culture is is building.

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Speaker 3: It's in Harper's. Harper's.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll send the link to you as soon as

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we get off, and I probably need to start wrapping

1503
01:45:27,399 --> 01:45:30,520
up here pretty quick, guys, but uh, I'll send the

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link when we get when we get done.

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Speaker 4: Pete, please do please do all right?

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Speaker 3: That?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds good. I'm on Harper's right now, and

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01:45:38,279 --> 01:45:43,000
i'll uh yeah, I'll is it called the goon Squad? Yeah,

1509
01:45:43,279 --> 01:45:45,960
all right, I found there's yeah, I'll put it. I'll

1510
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put it in the Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people need to be aware. It's awful.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yep, all right, let me wrap. I really appreciate

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it as always great conversation. I have a tendency to

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take people down some paths that they would probably not

1515
01:46:05,319 --> 01:46:08,640
go on on their own. But I appreciate you taking

1516
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:13,399
the walking that path with me. Ron. Tell everybody where

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they can find your work.

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Speaker 2: All right, for the American Mind, which is part of

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Claremont all right, for American Reformer, and I am soon

1520
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to be featured in Responsible state Craft. And then I

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01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:30,880
have a substack on Twitter.

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Speaker 4: You can find me.

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01:46:33,159 --> 01:46:33,560
Speaker 1: Faitess.

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Speaker 4: I'm on modad geopolitics dot com and on Twitter you

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can find me on at modad g op Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, So the next time, thank you. It's

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always a pleasure.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Great talk to you both. Thank you,