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<v Speaker 1>For a teenager struggling to find their place in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>friendships and acceptance can mean everything. But in a case

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<v Speaker 1>when a small group began accusing one young teenager among

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<v Speaker 1>them of things that she hadn't done, while, it soon

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<v Speaker 1>turned into something far more dangerous. Over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>several days, she would ultimately be held prisoner inside a

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<v Speaker 1>house where the people around her subjected her to escalating

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<v Speaker 1>acts of cruelty and torture beyond anyone's darkest imagination. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the horrifying and true story of sixteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne Capper.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast your audience list Ah, there you go,

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<v Speaker 1>There I go.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm struggling, struggling a little bit with the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>our house legitimately smells like chocolate chip freshly baked cookies

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<v Speaker 2>to me, but there's none of that in sight. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm having like food cravings from our healthy eating.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going bonkers. I think definitely. We had salmon and

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<v Speaker 1>rice for dinner, which, oh, maybe it's.

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<v Speaker 2>The co I make coconut rice, So maybe it's the

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<v Speaker 2>coconut maybe I don't know, but it's really annoying because

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<v Speaker 2>it smells freaking amazing. But I don't get to eat

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<v Speaker 2>a chocolate chip cookie.

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<v Speaker 1>All I smell is the fish being from like the

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<v Speaker 1>residual fish smell from cooking fish. And then you have

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<v Speaker 1>like an oil, like an essential oil you put on,

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<v Speaker 1>like the peppermint oil. That's all I smells those two things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just peppermint e fish.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I'm definitely vibing a bit better over here

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<v Speaker 2>then with the smells.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, I'm not exactly unless like Girl Guides have

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<v Speaker 1>just come out with a weird new limited edition cookie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm just out to lunch on what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>smelling as far as cookies go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>I can say one thing, though, I hope you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have a nice drink, handy, a comfort drink, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>is alcohol or hot chocolate or coffee. You need a

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<v Speaker 1>comfort drink for this story, in my opinion, because it

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<v Speaker 1>is heavy. Heads up on that right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, I mean, aren't they all to some degree?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? They are? But the nice thing is to when

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<v Speaker 1>you unpack a story like this, you can also go

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<v Speaker 1>up this week, So shout out to Leandre Thomas, Maddie Whitten, Nellie,

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<v Speaker 1>Amy will Cox, Joey and Phyllis, Carrie Strund and Rachel Randall.

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<v Speaker 1>They all signed up for Patreon so when they do

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<v Speaker 1>on the Patreon see our exclusive behind the scenes get

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<v Speaker 1>the extra exclusive episodes as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So just I was gonna say they can cool over

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<v Speaker 2>there for moral.

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<v Speaker 1>Support moral support as well. Yes, that's true. There's not

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<v Speaker 1>only getting to chat with us, but also the community

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<v Speaker 1>of patrons over there who tend to decompress after cases

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<v Speaker 1>like this in the chat.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's a good group of people.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. I love it over there. But as I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned though, I really do hope you have a drink, candy.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I have nothing, so I'm regretting my life decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you need to do? You need to take a

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<v Speaker 1>second and get something?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe? Yeah, there's some wine?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, okay, go pour glass of wine. We're gonna hit

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<v Speaker 1>a quick pause. We'll be back in three two one

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<v Speaker 1>and we're back in. Nicole has wine. I sure, do you?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it? It's eight Generation, my favorite winery. It's

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<v Speaker 2>dang good.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but what's the wine? You just tell me what

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<v Speaker 1>the wine?

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<v Speaker 2>Remember what this one's called. It's a red and it

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<v Speaker 2>has a different name. I can't remember. It's right there

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't see.

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<v Speaker 1>You just drink by the winery and don't even know what.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I do know, Hilario, what this one is. I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, are you having a stroke? You're smelling cookies? You

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what you're drinking?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, check on me tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>I might have to. In the morning, I'll be checking

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<v Speaker 1>your pulse. So if you wake up and I'm looming over,

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<v Speaker 1>you know why. Anyways, I think we should get onto

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<v Speaker 1>the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, let's do it, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, If you guys are ready, we're ready. Let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into this. So. Suzanne Kapper was a teenager growing up

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<v Speaker 1>in Manchester, England. She was born on September one, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six, and she spent most of her childhood in

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<v Speaker 1>a place called Mauston, which is a working class district

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<v Speaker 1>in the north of the city. Now, Suzanne's early life

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't easy here her biological father wasn't exactly involved

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<v Speaker 1>in her upbringing. Now, while she later took a surname

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<v Speaker 1>from her stepfather, John Caper Kapper, sorry, stability in the

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<v Speaker 1>house was never guaranteed. Suzanne's mother, Elizabeth Dunbar, did her

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<v Speaker 1>best to raise her daughters, Suzanne and her older sister Michelle,

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<v Speaker 1>but the family still struggled. By the time Suzanne was

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<v Speaker 1>in her early teens, the relationship between her and her

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<v Speaker 1>mother and stepfather had deteriorate it and around nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>while the couple ended up separating. A side effect of

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<v Speaker 1>that split, like many other parental separations, while it created

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<v Speaker 1>an even more instability for the girls. At times Suzanne

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<v Speaker 1>lived with her mother, at other times she stayed with

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<v Speaker 1>her stepfather. Then there were also periods where she stayed

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<v Speaker 1>with her friends or was placed in local authority care.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a common step in the UK when families

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<v Speaker 1>were struggling to provide stable housing or supervision for a teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>though it meant her life often lacked consistency. She was

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<v Speaker 1>frequently moving between homes and just trying to find a

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<v Speaker 1>place where she felt like she belonged. Despite this, though

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<v Speaker 1>those who knew Suzanne often described her as quiet, polite,

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<v Speaker 1>and eager to please. She wasn't known for causing trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>and if anything, people remembered her as someone who desperately

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be accepted. As such, she was often easily

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<v Speaker 1>influenced by those around her, particularly older people that she

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<v Speaker 1>looked up to. At school, Suzanne attended mostyn Brook High School,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the beginning, she was just another student navigating

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<v Speaker 1>her teenage years. But as things at home became more unstable,

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<v Speaker 1>her school attendance began to slip. She started skipping classes

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<v Speaker 1>and spending more time away from school and not paying

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<v Speaker 1>so much attention to her education. It's something we hear

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<v Speaker 1>often from many teenagers. They're looking for themselves, learning about

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<v Speaker 1>the world around them, and searching for independence. Suzanne was

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<v Speaker 1>no different in that sense, and soon she began drifting

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<v Speaker 1>towards older friends outside her immediate circle. For her, those

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<v Speaker 1>friendships offered something that she had been missing, attention, acceptance

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<v Speaker 1>in a sense that someone wanted her around. It was

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<v Speaker 1>through some casual connections in her neighborhood that Suzanne first

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<v Speaker 1>became acquainted with the woman named Jeane Powell. Now Jeane

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<v Speaker 1>lived at ninety seven Langworthy Road in Boston, not far

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<v Speaker 1>from where Suzanne spent much for time growing up. In

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, Suzanne had started babysitting Jeane's kids when she

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<v Speaker 1>was still quite young, sometimes just you know, helping around

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<v Speaker 1>the house or watching the kids while Jane was out. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeane was in her mid twenties at the time, more

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<v Speaker 1>than a decade older than Suzanne, who was around fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>or fifteen years old around then. To a teenager searching

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<v Speaker 1>for stability and approval, Jeane seemed worldly and independent, and

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne began spending more and more time at the house

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<v Speaker 1>on Langworthy Road, sometimes staying there overnight. But the environment

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<v Speaker 1>inside the house was far from normal. You see, Jane's

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<v Speaker 1>home had developed a reputation in the neighborhood. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a place where people came and went at all hours

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<v Speaker 1>of the night and day, and many of those visitors

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<v Speaker 1>were involved in criminal activity too. Drugs were frequently used

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<v Speaker 1>and sold there, particularly amphetamines aka speed, and stolen goods

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<v Speaker 1>often passed through the property as well. Neighbors later described

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<v Speaker 1>the house as chaotic. There were stolen cars and car

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<v Speaker 1>parts nearby, and loud music and constant traffic of unfamiliar

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<v Speaker 1>people coming and going inside, though Jane was raising three

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<v Speaker 1>young children, and eventually other adults and their children would

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<v Speaker 1>also move in too. For Suzanne, the house represented something

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<v Speaker 1>that she'd been craving, attention and belonging, but Jeane treated

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<v Speaker 1>her like someone useful. Suzanne helped with babysitting, cleaning, and errands,

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<v Speaker 1>and she began spending more time there than she did

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<v Speaker 1>at her own home. What initially started as occasional babysitting

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<v Speaker 1>it had gradually turned into Suzanne practically living at this

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<v Speaker 1>house and doing a lot of chores. Over time, Jane

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<v Speaker 1>became an important figure in Suzanne's life. To the vulnerable teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>Jane was almost like a mother figure, someone older who

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<v Speaker 1>welcomed her into her home. But the world Suzanne had

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<v Speaker 1>stepped into was far more dangerous than she realized now.

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<v Speaker 1>Jane was often described as the dominant personality in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had a reputation for her drug dealings as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Those who later looked back on the situation described her

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<v Speaker 1>as controlling, manipulative, and even volatile, and the house itself

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to revolved solely around her. One of Jane's closest

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<v Speaker 1>associates was someone by the name of Bernadette McNeely in

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<v Speaker 1>her early twenties, who would soon become another central figure

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<v Speaker 1>in Suzanne's life. Now, Bernadette lived nearby at first, but

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<v Speaker 1>she spent much of the time at the Langworthy Rode

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<v Speaker 1>home as well, and she eventually moved in with her

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<v Speaker 1>own kids. Like Jane, Bernadette also had a reputation for

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<v Speaker 1>being aggressive and unpredictable. Another regular presence was Glenn Powell,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeane's estranged husband and father of her children. Even though

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<v Speaker 1>the couple were no longer together Glenn's well, he still

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<v Speaker 1>spent a great deal of time around the house. He

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<v Speaker 1>was nearly thirty years old and had a criminal history.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also not surprising to say that his relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>Jeanne remained quite volatile, but regardless, he still continued to

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<v Speaker 1>move in and out of the house. Among the younger

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<v Speaker 1>members of the group was also someone named Anthony Dudson,

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager who was still only seventeen years old at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Anthony was also in a relationship with Bernadette now,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the age difference of seven years and her being

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, while he was still a mo Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to touch on that, but I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>you understand how I feel like others though, He spent

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<v Speaker 1>much of his time inside this home and quickly became

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<v Speaker 1>part of the same destructive social circle. Then there was

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<v Speaker 1>also Clifford Pook, Bernadette's younger brother. Clifford was in his

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<v Speaker 1>late teens and had briefly dated Suzanne at one point two,

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<v Speaker 1>which further connected her to this group. Now, finally there

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<v Speaker 1>was Jeffrey Lay, another associate who frequently visited the home.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey was known locally for stealing cars and dealing in

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<v Speaker 1>stolen goods. He was also one of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>bought drugs from Gene frequently. Together, the group formed a

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<v Speaker 1>very volatile mix of personalities and all contained inside one

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<v Speaker 1>house on Langworthy Road, which was filled with drug use, arguments,

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<v Speaker 1>shifting alliances, and children who were often present amidst all

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<v Speaker 1>the chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>How large was this house because it sure seems like

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<v Speaker 2>it's so housing a lot of people under that roof.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not too sure, And the thing is too

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<v Speaker 1>like not all of them lived there right per se,

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<v Speaker 1>but all of them hung out there and were there

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<v Speaker 1>very often daily.

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<v Speaker 2>Even it almost seems like it has an open door policy.

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<v Speaker 2>down in there. That's true, yeah, because I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>you'll just just say a house or anything or something,

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<v Speaker 2>But when you say the legit address, I'm always like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>bad things happen here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Now, over time, what had once been a place

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<v Speaker 1>where Suzanne felt welcome, it slowly became something else entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>And if I don't give a number and I say

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<v Speaker 1>began to occupy an uncomfortable position. At first, her presence

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne was younger than most of the people in the home,

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<v Speaker 1>and if someone needed something picked up from a nearby

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<v Speaker 1>and run, well, guess what, Suzanne was usually the one

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<v Speaker 1>these responsibilities may have felt like a way to earn

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<v Speaker 1>to shift. Instead of treating her like a friend, some

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<v Speaker 1>they could easily push around. Arguments became more frequent, and

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne increasingly found herself blamed for small problems that happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the home. If something went missing in this house,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a home full of thieves, for example, while

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<v Speaker 1>suspicion fell on her immediately, it seemed no matter what

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<v Speaker 1>it was, Even if tensions were just simply already high

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<v Speaker 1>from drug use or personal conflicts, Suzanne became the easiest

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<v Speaker 1>the insults and accusitions that were being thrown around her

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<v Speaker 1>way for these things weren't bad enough, the situations eventually

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<v Speaker 1>that hinted at how little control she had over the

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<v Speaker 1>situation when she was placed there herself. Yet, despite everything,

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne continued returning to the house time and time again.

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<v Speaker 1>To someone on the outside looking in on the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>it might seem impossible to understand why she would willingly

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<v Speaker 1>people who knew her later described Suzanne as someone who

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<v Speaker 1>desperately wanted to feel accepted. She craved belonging, and the

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<v Speaker 1>older people around Jeane and that home they seem to

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<v Speaker 1>offer her a version of that, so she would always return,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping to find that acceptance and sense of belonging. Jean

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<v Speaker 1>herself still held a power of influence over Suzanne, and

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<v Speaker 1>even when the relationship had clearly turned unhealthy, Suzanne continued

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<v Speaker 2>This is really sad because just listening to this, they're

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<v Speaker 2>taking advantage of hers and it's basically just an abusive relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>That you nailed it. That's exactly what it is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an abusive relationship and they take full advantage, and they

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<v Speaker 1>push the boundaries further and further. And she's a teenager

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<v Speaker 1>right like, she's a teenager about fifteen right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, by late nineteen ninety two, when the story will

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<v Speaker 1>starts to take place, she's sixteen years old. But the

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<v Speaker 1>hostility towards her in that house it was no longer like.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't subtle anymore. Like members of the house began

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<v Speaker 1>to look for reasons to actually blame her for things

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<v Speaker 1>when things were going wrong. It was like trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find something to pin on her so they could specifically

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<v Speaker 1>throw it in her face.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, eventually two accusations would actually become like the spark

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<v Speaker 1>that pushed the situation into something far more dangerous. Though

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<v Speaker 1>one of those involved a pink Duffel style coat. Bernadette

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that Suzanne had stole a coat from her, which

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<v Speaker 1>was an item she said was worth around sixty pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether the accusation had any truth behind it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little unclear. But within the environment in this home,

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<v Speaker 1>the claim quickly became simply accepted as fact. Now Suzanne

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<v Speaker 1>denied taking the jacket, but her protests carried very little

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<v Speaker 1>weight amongst the people who had already begun to treat

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<v Speaker 1>her as an outsider in their group. Now, the second

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<v Speaker 1>accusation was even more humiliated. At some point, several members

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<v Speaker 1>of the household discovered they had contracted pubic lice, and

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<v Speaker 1>instead of confronting the possibility that one of them had

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<v Speaker 1>introduced the infestation into the home, well, the blame was

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<v Speaker 1>then placed squarely on Suzanne. Immediately, Oh wow, Okay. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in both of these situations, it is very commonly believed

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<v Speaker 1>that Suzanne had nothing to do with either one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but those in the house they had someone to blame.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, honestly, with the lice thing, she would probably be

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<v Speaker 2>the least likely exactly for this. And they're just they

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<v Speaker 2>just they want someone to blame. It's almost like fun

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<v Speaker 2>or a game to them. It's sounding like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of seemed like it was like a power trip

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<v Speaker 1>sort of situation, like a game, like they were enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 1>And like the accusations in this situation with these pubic lice,

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<v Speaker 1>they turned into actually another opportunity specifically to humiliate her

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<v Speaker 1>and for them to well get their rocks off over it.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of escalating, you know, verbally or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>this group of degenerates forced Suzanne to strip and shave

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<v Speaker 1>off her pubic hair in front of all of them. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a degrading act carried out while others mocked

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<v Speaker 1>her and reinforced the idea that she was somehow responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy, that is okay. Also, considering she's a minor, this

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<v Speaker 2>is just not okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there's a whole plethora of things that are

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with this, and that's the word for the day, plethora.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this was not not only her punishment, but in

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes, also a solution to eliminating a lice. But

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<v Speaker 1>like the accusation about the coat, there's no real evidence

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<v Speaker 1>behind the claims. But by this point facts no longer mattered.

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<v Speaker 1>What mattered was that the group had found someone they

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<v Speaker 1>could collectively blame no matter what the situation was, and

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<v Speaker 1>the combination of the these accusations created a shared resentment towards

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne among several members of this group. In their minds,

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<v Speaker 1>she had become both a nuisance and a target. So

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<v Speaker 1>from that moment forward, the hostility towards her only intensified.

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<v Speaker 1>By early December nineteen ninety two, Suzanne had begun spending

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<v Speaker 1>more time away from the house on Langworthy Road. The

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<v Speaker 1>growing tension and hostility actually began to push her to

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<v Speaker 1>return to stay with her stepfather, John Capper for a

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<v Speaker 1>short time. It seemed like she had distanced herself from

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<v Speaker 1>the group enough where you know, things may improve, But

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<v Speaker 1>the people inside that house had not forgotten about her

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<v Speaker 1>or how they had begun to treat her. On December seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two, Jeanne and Bernadette went to go find Suzanne. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when they found her and approached her, they didn't act

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<v Speaker 1>hostile or anything like that. Instead, they presented themselves as

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<v Speaker 1>if nothing was wrong. In fact, they were even friendly

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<v Speaker 1>to her. Then they he told Suzanne that someone that

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<v Speaker 1>she liked, a boy, was waiting for her back at

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<v Speaker 1>the house on Langworthy Road. Now, for Suzanne, the moments

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<v Speaker 1>must have felt like her heart was going to explode.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only was her crush looking to hang out with her,

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<v Speaker 1>but her friends her social family was giving her a

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<v Speaker 1>quasi invitation to come back. Despite the recent tensions, she

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<v Speaker 1>must have still believed there was a place for her

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<v Speaker 1>among them, and, like many teenagers hoping to maintain friendships,

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<v Speaker 1>she agreed to go meet this boy. But as I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you've probably already guessed, the story about the boy

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<v Speaker 1>was a lie. He wasn't there, he wasn't waiting for her,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead, when Suzanne arrived back at ninety seven Langworthy Road,

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<v Speaker 1>she walked directly into a trap. The moment she stepped

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<v Speaker 1>into the home, several members of this group were already

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for her, and what happened next unfolded quickly. They

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<v Speaker 1>pounced on Suzanne and grabbed her and overpowered her almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>With multiple people surrounding her, people who were older and

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<v Speaker 1>stronger than her, she had little chance to fight back

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<v Speaker 1>or escape. The accusations that had been building over the

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<v Speaker 1>previous weeks. The supposed theft, the blame for the lice,

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<v Speaker 1>they were all suddenly thrown right back in her face,

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<v Speaker 1>all at once. But this wasn't about confronting her anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I don't even know if this was even

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<v Speaker 1>about punishment.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This was much worse. This was about humiliation, cruelty, and

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying someone else's suffering. With everyone grabbing Suzanne, she was

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<v Speaker 1>then forced down to the floor while some members of

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<v Speaker 1>the group began to cut off her hair. In this attack,

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<v Speaker 1>her head was shaved bare along with her eyebrows, leaving

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<v Speaker 1>her feeling disfigured and exposed. Not only that, but with

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<v Speaker 1>all her hair cut and shaved away, they all made

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<v Speaker 1>her clean it up herself, turning the moment into another

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<v Speaker 1>layer of humiliation entirely. But the violence didn't stop there.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, a plastic bag was pulled over Suzanne's head,

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<v Speaker 1>making it difficult for her to breathe as she struggled

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<v Speaker 1>and panicked while the group continued daunting and attacking her,

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<v Speaker 1>continuing her nightmare, while she was also pushed and dragged

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<v Speaker 1>around the house, escalating the situation. While these are certainly

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<v Speaker 1>physical assaults, they are primarily psychological attacks. Yes, she was harmed,

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<v Speaker 1>but not exactly injured, if you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>But it didn't stay that way. Beatings soon followed and

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<v Speaker 1>changed that fact. As she was pinned, pushed, dragged, and

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<v Speaker 1>with whatever objects they could grab, whether it was belts,

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of wood, and large household utensils. All these things

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<v Speaker 1>were used as improvised weapons. Striking her repeatedly. She was

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<v Speaker 1>also punched kicked, all while others looked on, laughing or

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<v Speaker 1>joining in. The assault was severe and intense, so much

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<v Speaker 1>so that one of Suzanne's arms would later hang limp

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<v Speaker 1>and useless at her side.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>She was unable to raise or use it, as it

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<v Speaker 1>was likely broken during the violent attack, like very broken.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time this assault subsided, Suzanne was already seriously injured.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead of things ending there, the group letting her

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<v Speaker 1>go was not a thing in their minds, so they

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<v Speaker 1>decided instead to force her into a small closet inside

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<v Speaker 1>that home, where she was locked away and left for

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<v Speaker 1>the night. Bruised, exhausted, and terrified, she was left trapped

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<v Speaker 1>inside the small space with no way to escape. There,

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<v Speaker 1>Suzanne sat in the dark alone, terrified and crying, But

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<v Speaker 1>little did she know the ordeal had only just begun.

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<v Speaker 2>This is absolutely nuts because she wasn't doing anything they

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<v Speaker 2>should have just like she was on her way out,

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<v Speaker 2>basically like they should have just let her go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they physically went and brought her back in

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<v Speaker 1>to do this to her. Frigg.

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<v Speaker 2>At first, I was thinking they wanted her back because

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<v Speaker 2>she was helpful. She probably, like you mentioned, watched some

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<v Speaker 2>of the kids when they were out and did a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of cleaning. But they just invited her back.

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<v Speaker 1>To They lured her back. They lured her back for

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<v Speaker 1>their sick enjoyment.

421
00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this doesn't even make any sense. These people are

422
00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:44.400
<v Speaker 2>just nuts.

423
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:46.440
<v Speaker 1>I told you you needed a comfort drink for this one.

424
00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:48.400
<v Speaker 2>No frickin kidding.

425
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Now in the morning, the people inside that house still

426
00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:55.160
<v Speaker 1>had no intention of letting Suzanne leave, and the violence

427
00:24:55.160 --> 00:25:00.359
<v Speaker 1>that had begun the night before was only getting worse. However,

428
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne's screams of pain and cries for help throughout her

429
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.799
<v Speaker 1>nightmarish ordeal had started to draw attention from inside the

430
00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.279
<v Speaker 1>crowd at home, where several young children were also living.

431
00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:15.559
<v Speaker 1>Now that presented a problem for Suzanne's captors, so to

432
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:19.559
<v Speaker 1>keep the situation quieter and more controlled, the group decided

433
00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:22.759
<v Speaker 1>they were going to move her. So Suzanne was taken

434
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:25.359
<v Speaker 1>away from that house on Langworthy Road and brought to

435
00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:29.039
<v Speaker 1>another property associated with the group. And that house was

436
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:32.039
<v Speaker 1>mostly empty, which made an ideal place for what they

437
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:35.400
<v Speaker 1>planned next, because there would be fewer people around to

438
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:38.839
<v Speaker 1>hear her scream and no children present to witness what

439
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:43.079
<v Speaker 1>was happening, and so with this newfound privacy, the situation

440
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>became even more horrifying. Suzanne was dragged upstairs and she

441
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.640
<v Speaker 1>was forced into a bedroom where an old bed box

442
00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:55.839
<v Speaker 1>spring had been turned upside down. It was here that

443
00:25:55.920 --> 00:26:01.920
<v Speaker 1>her captors restrained her on the wooden, exposed old bed,

444
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:05.799
<v Speaker 1>will call it, just tied her there using whatever they

445
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:09.039
<v Speaker 1>could find, whether it was ropes, belts, electrical cables. They

446
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.559
<v Speaker 1>pulled her arms and legs and spread them apart in

447
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.680
<v Speaker 1>a star fashion, going towards each corner of this old bed,

448
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:18.759
<v Speaker 1>leaving her completely immobilized when they were done, and to

449
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>keep her from screaming, they also forced dirty socks into

450
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:25.880
<v Speaker 1>her mouth, gagging her while they secured the restraints. This

451
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.519
<v Speaker 1>room would serve as the place where the group returned

452
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 1>again and again over the next several days. While Suzanne

453
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:37.759
<v Speaker 1>remained tied inside this empty home, completely at their mercy,

454
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:42.680
<v Speaker 1>bound by her wrists and ankles, unable to move, she

455
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:46.559
<v Speaker 1>was left. Now one thing I'm not exactly clear on.

456
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:50.119
<v Speaker 1>There's some discrepancies in what I found on this. She

457
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:53.400
<v Speaker 1>was left either nude or partially nude, It's unclear, but

458
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.359
<v Speaker 1>either way she was exposed in the room while members

459
00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:00.000
<v Speaker 1>of the group came and went, with beatings becoming routine.

460
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:00.880
<v Speaker 3>Geez.

461
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:03.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's always interesting when something goes on for

462
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.680
<v Speaker 2>days like this, because you would just hope that these

463
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:09.839
<v Speaker 2>sepo would have some sort of humanity, you know, one

464
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.559
<v Speaker 2>night and be like, Okay, what we're doing.

465
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Here is very wrong.

466
00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:16.839
<v Speaker 2>But when it escalates and just keeps getting worse and

467
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:20.480
<v Speaker 2>worse and goes prolonged, I think it just really shows

468
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:22.200
<v Speaker 2>how much of a terrible person you are.

469
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, they are not even in the same building as

470
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.359
<v Speaker 1>her either, so they specifically have to go back, yeah,

471
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:30.240
<v Speaker 1>in orders to torture her.

472
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:32.759
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, yeah, they have to go out of their way.

473
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.599
<v Speaker 1>And then not only that, they get to leave and

474
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:37.559
<v Speaker 1>disassociate from their actions too.

475
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>But you would think, say you're getting ready for bed,

476
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.480
<v Speaker 2>you're like, you know, sleeping, or wake up in the

477
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:45.240
<v Speaker 2>middle of the night and realize, holy shit, I'm an.

478
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Asshole, Yeah, anyone with a soul. But these people clearly

479
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:50.079
<v Speaker 1>are not like that.

480
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:50.759
<v Speaker 2>Clearly.

481
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, while immobilized, Susanne was constantly struck with fists, belts,

482
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.559
<v Speaker 1>wooden boards, household objects, you name it, often by more

483
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>than one person at a time, and with no way

484
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.880
<v Speaker 1>to defend herself because she was tied there, she could

485
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:08.279
<v Speaker 1>only endure the blows as they landed again and again.

486
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:11.759
<v Speaker 1>But the physical violence wasn't the only part of what

487
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>they inflicted upon her. At various points of the week,

488
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne was injected with amphetamines as well, the very same

489
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.119
<v Speaker 1>drug that was commonly used by several members of that group.

490
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:27.400
<v Speaker 1>They injected this they kept her awake, and it kept

491
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 1>her agitated, preventing her from slipping into unconsciousness and prolonged

492
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:35.400
<v Speaker 1>the suffering she was experiencing. Members of the group also

493
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:40.640
<v Speaker 1>began burning her with cigarettes, pressing the lit ends into

494
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:44.240
<v Speaker 1>her skin while mocking and taunting her. But this wasn't

495
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 1>just a few times. She almost became their ash tray.

496
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.799
<v Speaker 1>As they snuffed out burning cigarette after burning cigarette on

497
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>her exposed skin. She couldn't flinch, she couldn't pull away.

498
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:01.480
<v Speaker 1>At the same time, they introduced a very strange and

499
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>torturous form of psychological torment on her. Someone had placed

500
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:11.359
<v Speaker 1>headphones over Suzanne's ears and blasted music through them at

501
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the highest volume. They didn't just blast music, though. The

502
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.799
<v Speaker 1>music they played was the same song on repeat, and

503
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:24.519
<v Speaker 1>it included samples from the horror film Child's Play, particularly

504
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>the voice of the killer doll named Chucky, who was

505
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:32.359
<v Speaker 1>constantly repeating the line over and over again, saying, Hi,

506
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm Chucky, want to play WHOA?

507
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is just.

508
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:44.079
<v Speaker 1>So cruel Yeah. For Suzanne, the days and nights all

509
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>began to blur together as the cruelty inflicted on her

510
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:52.559
<v Speaker 1>only continued to escalate with no end in sight. By

511
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.559
<v Speaker 1>this point, she had already endured far more than anyone

512
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>ever should be subjected to, but they also began introducing

513
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:02.759
<v Speaker 1>other forms of it that seemed designed to humiliate and

514
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.119
<v Speaker 1>degrade her as much as possible. She was rarely given

515
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>food and barely allowed any water. She was exhausted, injured,

516
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:14.079
<v Speaker 1>and restrained in that same position for long periods. But

517
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne also had no ability to care for herself, which

518
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.799
<v Speaker 1>meant when nature called and she needed to use the bathroom,

519
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.599
<v Speaker 1>her captors refused to untie her, and eventually she was

520
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.839
<v Speaker 1>just forced to relieve herself right where she lay, leaving

521
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.599
<v Speaker 1>her trapped in the filth, with the group mocking her

522
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>for it now. At one point during the ordeal, the

523
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:41.519
<v Speaker 1>attackers forced Suzanne into a bath, but instead of clean

524
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>water to clean the wounds, they poured strong disinfectants into

525
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 1>the water, a chemical solution normally used to sanitize surfaces.

526
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>In fact, so with her already covered in burns, cuts, bruises,

527
00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:00.079
<v Speaker 1>the liquid caused intense pain as it soaked into the

528
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>injuries across her body. Then they began scrubbing her skin

529
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:10.319
<v Speaker 1>with a stiff bristled brush, dragging the bristles across her

530
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>wounds while she screamed in agony. The mixture of disinfectant

531
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.039
<v Speaker 1>and abrasive scrubbing caused sections of damaged skin to begin

532
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:25.319
<v Speaker 1>peeling away, leaving raw, open wounds in its wake. After that,

533
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:30.599
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne remained tied to the bed frame once again. By

534
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>this stage, the group seemed to be driven by something darker,

535
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>a shared willingness to push the violence further and further,

536
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.119
<v Speaker 1>and soon. As the days of captivity dragged on, the

537
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>abuse inflicted on Suzanne Kapper continued to escalate in ways

538
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>that continue to seem almost unimaginable to any normal human being.

539
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>But now it had been days, she was weak, exhausted,

540
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>barely able to resist anything that was under her, even

541
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.559
<v Speaker 1>if she was untied. It was during this stage of

542
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the ordeal that Clifford Puk carried out one of the

543
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.160
<v Speaker 1>most disturbing acts of violence against her. Yet, according to

544
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>later testimony in court, Clifford approached Suzanne with a pair

545
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>of pliers. The group had already discussed the possibility that

546
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>if Suzanne was ever discovered or her body was found,

547
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>that her teeth might be useful to identify her, so

548
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:36.319
<v Speaker 1>removing them, they believed would make that more difficult. With

549
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>this in mind, Clifford forced Suzanne's mouth open and he

550
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>told her he was going to pull out her teeth,

551
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and then he began smashing at her teeth with the

552
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:53.279
<v Speaker 1>metal pliers, strike after strike. At first, the metal tool

553
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.240
<v Speaker 1>simply cracked against them, chipping the enamel. Suzanne cried out

554
00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>in pain, trying to recoil away, but was unable to

555
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>do so so as he continued hitting them again and again,

556
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:06.039
<v Speaker 1>and eventually he managed to grip one of the chipped

557
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:10.119
<v Speaker 1>teeth with the pliers and he began pulling. He began

558
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>to strain while he pulled, increasing how hard he tugged

559
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:17.319
<v Speaker 1>with each second, until the tooth finally snapped loose with

560
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>a sharp crack, while her mouth filled up with blood.

561
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Then he dropped that tooth, turned back towards her, and

562
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 1>repeated the process with another one. Each attempt involved forcing

563
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne's head forward while he worked the pliers inside her mouth,

564
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.839
<v Speaker 1>wrenching at the teeth, pulling and twisting until they came

565
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>free or broke apart. Witnesses later said that while this

566
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 1>was happening, Clifford was laughing. He seemed to enjoy it

567
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:51.359
<v Speaker 1>and thought it was funny. When the ordeal was over,

568
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>he'd taken out two of her teeth, and he kept

569
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 1>them instead of throwing them away, as if they were

570
00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:59.079
<v Speaker 1>trophies from what he had just done to her.

571
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:04.279
<v Speaker 2>WHOA, what a savage mofo. Yeah, this is unbelievable. It

572
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 2>just keeps getting worse and worse and worse.

573
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's heavy for sure.

574
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Holy frick. I cannot even believe that we live in

575
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:15.639
<v Speaker 2>a world where people could be like this.

576
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I know, it boggles my mind. There were several times

577
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.840
<v Speaker 1>during researching this case where I had to stop because

578
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what the fuck? Yeah, I needed to

579
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:27.760
<v Speaker 1>like recollect myself before I could read any further.

580
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 2>You almost want to explain it away, thinking like, oh man,

581
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 2>they must have been like on some super drugs or

582
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.079
<v Speaker 2>something while they were doing this, because how else could

583
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:41.679
<v Speaker 2>someone do this to another human? But they're just complete monsters.

584
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I think. So I don't even on drugs, Like, I

585
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:48.039
<v Speaker 1>understand drugs affect people in many certain ways, but I

586
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:52.760
<v Speaker 1>just cannot fathom twisting and pulling people's teeth out.

587
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just don't even know how, Like this is

588
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a living human being. I don't understand how you could

589
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.800
<v Speaker 2>go on and do this and think of new things

590
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:06.000
<v Speaker 2>to even do and have it be going on so long.

591
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I know. Now here's the thing though, too. We can

592
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 1>go on that drug argument for a moment again, say, okay, yeah,

593
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:14.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe it was drug induced, but this was a pre

594
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.880
<v Speaker 1>disgusted situation. But what if she dies and her body's found,

595
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:24.039
<v Speaker 1>her teeth can identify her? Well, we how fingerprints teeth

596
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>that you know, that can identify her, and what if

597
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>we remove her teeth? So he literally goes there with

598
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 1>pliers to remove her teeth. He drove to another home

599
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:38.280
<v Speaker 1>or walked to another home specifically to go do this

600
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to another person.

601
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and at this point, like she I can't

602
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.000
<v Speaker 2>even imagine the kind of shape she's in, right, Yeah,

603
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Like it's just what you don't want to because it's

604
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:53.079
<v Speaker 2>sad as shit.

605
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And one thing about this too, with them pulling

606
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>out her teeth. At this stage, like it was becoming

607
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:03.280
<v Speaker 1>clear that the group was not planning on letting her

608
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.239
<v Speaker 1>go and preparing for what happens if she didn't survive.

609
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, yeah, at this point, how could you

610
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.840
<v Speaker 2>let her go? I think either way she probably may

611
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:13.440
<v Speaker 2>not make it.

612
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Now the violence had moved beyond the torture and they

613
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:21.000
<v Speaker 1>were beginning to actually think about making her disappear. But

614
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>during this time that Suzanne Kapper was being held captive,

615
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:28.159
<v Speaker 1>at least one person outside the core group was brought

616
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:31.880
<v Speaker 1>into the house and saw her being held there a witness,

617
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:36.039
<v Speaker 1>and his name was David Hill. He was an eighteen

618
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 1>year old who had connections to some of the people involved. Now.

619
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 1>David would later recount that he was asked to come

620
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>to the house and wait there while the others left

621
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>for a short time. At first, he claimed he did

622
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 1>not know what was happening inside the property, but that

623
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 1>changed when he was led upstairs. When David entered the room,

624
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.480
<v Speaker 1>he saw Suzanne tied to the bed frame. Her arms

625
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.360
<v Speaker 1>and legs were still bound stretched apart in that same

626
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>position she'd been forced into days earlier. She'd clearly been

627
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:10.840
<v Speaker 1>badly beaten, her her head had been shaved, she was weak,

628
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:14.159
<v Speaker 1>exhausted from the prolonged abuse, and the room itself even

629
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 1>showed signs of what was happening there too, and it

630
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:19.639
<v Speaker 1>would have been immediately clear that Suzanne was being held

631
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 1>against her will. But when she saw David, she immediately

632
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:27.599
<v Speaker 1>tried to speak with him, begging him to help her.

633
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:31.320
<v Speaker 1>She asked him to untie the restraints to let her go,

634
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>pleading with him to release her from this bedframe so

635
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>she could escape the house with her life. For Suzanne,

636
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.599
<v Speaker 1>this may have seemed like the first real chance she

637
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.519
<v Speaker 1>had been given to survive. David was not one of

638
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>those people who had been torturing her, one of the captors,

639
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and if he had chosen to help her in that moment,

640
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:51.800
<v Speaker 1>it's possible that Suzanne could have escaped before the situation

641
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:57.840
<v Speaker 1>escalated further. But David did nothing. Instead of freeing her,

642
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>he left the room, he went back downstairs, and that

643
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 1>was it.

644
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, just okay, that's interesting.

645
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Later, when investigators asked him about the incident, David explained

646
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.840
<v Speaker 1>he'd been too frightened to intervene. He said that he

647
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>believed if he had tried to release Suzanne, the others

648
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>responsible for holding her might have turned their violence on

649
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 1>him instead. Now, whatever the reason for his decision to

650
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.840
<v Speaker 1>not intervene, the opportunity had passed, and Suzanne remained tied

651
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.599
<v Speaker 1>to that bed, and after David left the room, her

652
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.679
<v Speaker 1>captors eventually returned to the torture and it simply continued.

653
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.719
<v Speaker 2>To go on because David wasn't in the house alone.

654
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe so no others were there, not as

655
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 1>far as my impression is now. Okay, Now, for many

656
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:48.000
<v Speaker 1>people who later followed the case, David's account actually became

657
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.679
<v Speaker 1>one of the most haunting elements of this story because

658
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.159
<v Speaker 1>for that brief moment, Suzanne had seen someone that could

659
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:57.360
<v Speaker 1>help her. She begged to be saved, you know, finally

660
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>thinking she could be let go. But that help never came.

661
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:04.519
<v Speaker 1>She just remained trapped in the house for several more days,

662
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.519
<v Speaker 1>restrained in fact, for nearly a week, and the longer

663
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.239
<v Speaker 1>she remained alive, the greater the risk that someone else

664
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:15.519
<v Speaker 1>might discover what was happening. Too. Another factor was beginning

665
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.239
<v Speaker 1>to worry the group of monsters as well. Suzanne's family

666
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.840
<v Speaker 1>was starting to ask questions. Her older sister Michelle had

667
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.679
<v Speaker 1>begun looking for her, and the longer Suzanne remained missing,

668
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.400
<v Speaker 1>the more likely it was that someone would eventually report

669
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:32.280
<v Speaker 1>her disappearance to the police. So the possibility that Suzanne

670
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 1>might survive and tell others what had happened was becoming

671
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.920
<v Speaker 1>a very serious threat, something you were alluding to earlier,

672
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.400
<v Speaker 1>in fact, saying that if she gets let go, like,

673
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:44.159
<v Speaker 1>what's she going to say and report now? Rather than

674
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.239
<v Speaker 1>releasing Suzanne or attempting to distance themselves in the situation,

675
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Speaker 1>they came to a darker conclusion, one they had already

676
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:56.360
<v Speaker 1>been discussing in passive conversations. They believed that the only

677
00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:00.360
<v Speaker 1>way to protect themselves was to make sure Suzanne would

678
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:03.880
<v Speaker 1>never be able to speak about what had happened inside

679
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:12.039
<v Speaker 1>that house. In other words, Suzanne had to die. When

680
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.159
<v Speaker 1>the group had agreed that Suzanne needed to be killed,

681
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 1>the final stage of the crime began to take shape,

682
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:23.280
<v Speaker 1>and their plan was dark and simple. They would take

683
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Susan away from the house, drive her somewhere isolated, and

684
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:29.519
<v Speaker 1>kill her there far enough away that her body might

685
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:33.320
<v Speaker 1>never be connected back to them. On the morning of

686
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:37.360
<v Speaker 1>December fourteenth, nineteen ninety two. Suzanne Kapper had been held

687
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.119
<v Speaker 1>captive for nearly a week. During that time, she had

688
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.679
<v Speaker 1>endured repeated beatings, burns, and other forms of torture that

689
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.239
<v Speaker 1>left her physically devastated. It was on that day that

690
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the group decided to carry out the plan they'd been discussing.

691
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne was untied from the bed frame, forced downstairs, and

692
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.280
<v Speaker 1>by this point she could barely stand on her own,

693
00:40:58.000 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>but she was still conscious and aware of what was

694
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 1>happen happening around her. Instead of releasing her, though as

695
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:06.519
<v Speaker 1>she may have initially hoped, the group prepared to move

696
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:10.679
<v Speaker 1>her away from the house. A stolen white Fiat Panda

697
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>was brought around, and Suzanne was forced into the trunk

698
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.599
<v Speaker 1>of the vehicle, with the lid closed above her. She

699
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:19.760
<v Speaker 1>was trapped in the dark as a car pulled away

700
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:21.760
<v Speaker 1>from the house where she had been held for the

701
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:25.960
<v Speaker 1>previous week. Inside the car were several of the people

702
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:32.480
<v Speaker 1>responsible for the captivity, Bernadette, Jeanne, Glen and Anthony. They

703
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:34.519
<v Speaker 1>were all amongst who had taken part in the drive.

704
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.199
<v Speaker 1>They left Monson behind and began heading out of the city,

705
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:41.960
<v Speaker 1>traveling several miles towards an isolated area late at night.

706
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Eventually the car arrived at Worthern Low, a rural area

707
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.400
<v Speaker 1>close to Romley in Stockport, where quiet roads and wooded

708
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>land made it unlikely that anyone would witness what they

709
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>were about to do. The vehicle stopped and Suzanne was

710
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.840
<v Speaker 1>pulled out of the trunk. She was then dragged away

711
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.039
<v Speaker 1>from the road and down to an embankment into a

712
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:08.360
<v Speaker 1>more secluded area. Once they had Suzanne away from the

713
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.400
<v Speaker 1>road and down into the secluded spot, the group began

714
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 1>carrying out the final evil portion of their plan. Suzanne

715
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:18.639
<v Speaker 1>was stripped naked of whatever a clothing she had left

716
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:22.800
<v Speaker 1>on and was forced onto the ground. After nearly a

717
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:26.719
<v Speaker 1>week of captivity and torture, her body was covered in

718
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.599
<v Speaker 1>injuries and she had very little strength left to do

719
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:35.599
<v Speaker 1>anything against what was happening around her. Then one of

720
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:41.119
<v Speaker 1>the group members produced a container filled with gasoline. The

721
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>liquid was poured over Suzanne's body, soaking her as she

722
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>lay on the ground helpless. For the people standing around her,

723
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.079
<v Speaker 1>they knew they intended to burn her alive and leave

724
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.639
<v Speaker 1>her there. Suzanne began to realize this, as well as

725
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:56.159
<v Speaker 1>the familiar smell filled her nose and the liquid was

726
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:59.480
<v Speaker 1>dripping across her skin. It took the group a few

727
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.119
<v Speaker 1>attempts to light the gas ablaze, not because they felt

728
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.920
<v Speaker 1>any guilt or had heavy hearts. No, it was because

729
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.360
<v Speaker 1>they simply had trouble lighting it. But in that brief moment,

730
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.599
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne would have felt fear beyond any sort of measure,

731
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.719
<v Speaker 1>knowing this was going to be her last moments, knowing

732
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:18.760
<v Speaker 1>that she was about to die and excruciating death after

733
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:24.920
<v Speaker 1>being tortured for nearly a week. Then, without warning, the

734
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:29.320
<v Speaker 1>gasoline caught fire, and instantly she was engulfed in flames.

735
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:33.639
<v Speaker 1>No one tried to help her. They just stood back.

736
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 1>They didn't flinch, and they watched as the fire licked

737
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>against her bare skin, burning her alive. Reportedly, at one point,

738
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.719
<v Speaker 1>one of them even began singing the infamous disco song

739
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Burn Baby Burn.

740
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Okay, this is just so maddening.

741
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:53.519
<v Speaker 1>It's fucked up.

742
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.840
<v Speaker 2>This is literally how they decide to end her life

743
00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 2>this way. Yes, that is. It's actually quite hard to believe.

744
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I know, this doesn't seem like this could be real life.

745
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I know. As she was burning, the group then turned

746
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.679
<v Speaker 1>and walked back towards the car, as the flames were

747
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.400
<v Speaker 1>still licking her body behind them. They left her behind

748
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>in the darkness of the wooded area, only lit by

749
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the flames that were still on her body, leaving the

750
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:28.719
<v Speaker 1>fire to finish what the previous week of torture had started.

751
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:33.039
<v Speaker 1>For those people who had just driven away, that was

752
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the end. The crime was over in their heads. If

753
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne's remains were found, her body consumed by the flames

754
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.119
<v Speaker 1>may not even be identified, let alone lead back to them.

755
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.360
<v Speaker 1>They simply got away with murder, and that was that.

756
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:49.800
<v Speaker 1>But what they didn't know was as they walked away,

757
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:57.840
<v Speaker 1>they left something behind. They left Suzanne alive there in

758
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the darkness of the woods, still only by that bit

759
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.199
<v Speaker 1>of flame left on her body. She struggled to move.

760
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Every inch of her body was in agony, but she

761
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.400
<v Speaker 1>forced herself to crawl and roll across the ground until

762
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the fire that had engulfed her began to die out.

763
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Are you serious?

764
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Dead? Serious? Okay?

765
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I already thought that this girl's will to live was unbelievable, unfathomable.

766
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Really, I know. She put the fire out by rolling around,

767
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:33.280
<v Speaker 1>and despite her weakened state, her severed injuries like from

768
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:36.559
<v Speaker 1>all the abuse that she suffered, she had catastrophic burns

769
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.480
<v Speaker 1>across most her body now too, Yet she somehow managed

770
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 1>to put these flames out. WHOA. Later reports would state

771
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 1>that between seventy five and eighty percent of her body

772
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:51.360
<v Speaker 1>had been burned, leaving large areas of skin destroyed and exposed.

773
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Her feet had been badly burned as well, meaning every

774
00:45:54.400 --> 00:46:00.480
<v Speaker 1>movement caused extreme pain. Yet somehow, Suzanne refuged used to

775
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.880
<v Speaker 1>stay where she had been left. Somehow she managed to

776
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:08.400
<v Speaker 1>put the flames out and climb back up the embankment

777
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.079
<v Speaker 1>towards the road where the car had driven off.

778
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:13.840
<v Speaker 2>WHOA. I cannot freaking believe that.

779
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Every inch that she moved would have been agonizing, but

780
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:24.239
<v Speaker 1>she continued forward, determined to reach somewhere, anywhere someone that

781
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 1>might see her. Then, once she finally reached the road,

782
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne began walking barefoot, severely burned, beaten, broken, She moved

783
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 1>slowly along the road in the early morning darkness, her

784
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:46.400
<v Speaker 1>body covered in injuries, but she still kept moving.

785
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Holy frick, my jaw is on the goddamn ground.

786
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:53.480
<v Speaker 1>If you're unaware, If you haven't guessed yet, Suzanne is

787
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ten percent or badass of the day, because

788
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 1>that is unfucking believable.

789
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:03.440
<v Speaker 2>That is that rich is like, I cannot believe this

790
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:07.199
<v Speaker 2>because also she hasn't like drank or eaten for a

791
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:09.840
<v Speaker 2>whole week too. She was in the same position pretty

792
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 2>much that whole week.

793
00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

794
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:15.920
<v Speaker 2>And her injuries are just unfreaking believable. So holy shit,

795
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've ever heard anything like this.

796
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 1>It's superhuman, honestly.

797
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

798
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Wild. Now. Eventually, Suzanne's desperate walk brought her into the

799
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:28.280
<v Speaker 1>path of some passing motorists. It was as dawn approached

800
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:31.079
<v Speaker 1>when a group of workers driving along the road noticed

801
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.159
<v Speaker 1>a figure ahead of them. At first, they weren't sure

802
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:36.559
<v Speaker 1>what they were seeing, but as their vehicle got closer,

803
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:41.880
<v Speaker 1>the reality of the situation became horrifyingly clear. There standing

804
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:44.639
<v Speaker 1>in the road was a teenage girl whose body had

805
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:49.639
<v Speaker 1>been almost entirely burned. The men who discovered Suzanne that

806
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 1>morning were coworkers driven by a man named Barry Sutcliffe. Now,

807
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne Kapper was standing in the road, severely burned, barely

808
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.880
<v Speaker 1>able to remain upright. Large portion of her skin were

809
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:03.920
<v Speaker 1>destroyed by the fire, and the damage was so extensive

810
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:06.719
<v Speaker 1>that one witness later described her legs as looking like

811
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.719
<v Speaker 1>raw meat. Well, her hands were so badly burned they

812
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:15.639
<v Speaker 1>apparently were almost blackened. Yet despite this condition that she

813
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.840
<v Speaker 1>was in, she was still conscious. She was barely able

814
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.039
<v Speaker 1>to speak, but when the men reached her, she managed

815
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.360
<v Speaker 1>to whisper one thing. She said, help me.

816
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, Well, freaking saints as well for stopping. I

817
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:32.599
<v Speaker 2>just have to say, because I would like to very

818
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.719
<v Speaker 2>much think that I would stop. But it says she like,

819
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 2>because I couldn't imagine that scene. Though you would think

820
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.360
<v Speaker 2>that it was you were having a nightmare.

821
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Or something, it is a nightmare or scene.

822
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:47.559
<v Speaker 2>So thank goodness that they were like, okay, like, holy heck,

823
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:48.800
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna help this girl.

824
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

825
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:50.119
<v Speaker 3>Now.

826
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 1>The men quickly brought Suzanne to a nearby house belonging

827
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.559
<v Speaker 1>to Michael and Margaret Coop, who lived close to the road,

828
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:58.480
<v Speaker 1>and they brought her there for help. Once inside, the

829
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:02.039
<v Speaker 1>couple immediately dialed nine while trying to help Suzanne in

830
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 1>any way as best they could. She was extremely dehydrated

831
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 1>and asked for water, but because of the burns on

832
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:11.400
<v Speaker 1>her hands and her injuries, she couldn't even hold the

833
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.159
<v Speaker 1>glass herself, so someone had to help her get a

834
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:19.519
<v Speaker 1>drink even in that condition, though witnesses said they remembered

835
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:24.400
<v Speaker 1>something that stood out in their minds. It was Despite

836
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 1>her condition, Suzanne remained remarkably polite, thanking people around her

837
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:33.719
<v Speaker 1>for trying to help, saying please, thank.

838
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:36.920
<v Speaker 2>You, Oh gosh, that makes me want to sob.

839
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Before the ambulance arrived, Suzanne managed to explain through the

840
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:44.119
<v Speaker 1>pain and exhaustion what had happened. She told them that

841
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.800
<v Speaker 1>she had been held captive and tortured for several days,

842
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 1>and that she knew the people responsible and they were

843
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:53.840
<v Speaker 1>individuals from a specific house on Langworthy Road in Mauston.

844
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:59.239
<v Speaker 1>When paramedics arrived, Suzanne was quickly rushed to Withernshaw Hospital

845
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:03.599
<v Speaker 1>in Manchester. Doctors there immediately began treating her and her

846
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:07.079
<v Speaker 1>catastrophic burns and injuries, placing her in intensive care and

847
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:11.800
<v Speaker 1>attempting to stabilize her condition. Soon officers arrived too, and

848
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:15.960
<v Speaker 1>they despite the severity of her injuries, she was still

849
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:19.960
<v Speaker 1>able to speak with them too. In those first critical

850
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 1>hours after being rescued, she gave investigators the most important

851
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:27.199
<v Speaker 1>piece of information that they would receive. She named each

852
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.599
<v Speaker 1>and every one of the people that had done this

853
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:34.840
<v Speaker 1>to her. Even with this information, though, the most important

854
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.360
<v Speaker 1>thing at hand was caring for Suzanne. Doctors at the

855
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:41.880
<v Speaker 1>hospital immediately knew how critical her condition was, and the

856
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:46.000
<v Speaker 1>medical staff rushed to stabilize her. They began the difficult

857
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:48.639
<v Speaker 1>process of treating her burns, and the intensive care unit

858
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.519
<v Speaker 1>now for clarity. In cases of severe burns like this,

859
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the body often struggles to regulate fluids and fight infection,

860
00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and Suzanne's injuries were among the worst doctors could ever

861
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.480
<v Speaker 1>her encounter. Nurses worked to clean the damage, tissue and

862
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:08.039
<v Speaker 1>remove dead skin while keeping her as stable as possible,

863
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.679
<v Speaker 1>and as medical staff worked diligently, they were optimistic. However,

864
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the damage to her body was simply too extensive. No

865
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Over the following days, Suzanne's organs began to fail under

866
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 1>the strain of the injuries that she had suffered, and

867
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.719
<v Speaker 1>despite the efforts of doctors and nurses working to save

868
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:31.880
<v Speaker 1>her life, the trauma caused by the burns and the

869
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:37.199
<v Speaker 1>prolonged abuse had already pushed her body beyond recovery. On

870
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:41.719
<v Speaker 1>December eighteenth, nineteen ninety two, four days after she had

871
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:47.079
<v Speaker 1>been found walking along the road, Suzanne Kapper died in hospital.

872
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.800
<v Speaker 1>She was pronounced dead at just sixteen years old.

873
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, Okay, whoa, what a freakin' roller coaster.

874
00:51:59.199 --> 00:51:59.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

875
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like, for the love of God, please tell

876
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:03.760
<v Speaker 2>me she lives. And she lived.

877
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:08.159
<v Speaker 1>She managed to survive four more fucking days, which I

878
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:11.440
<v Speaker 1>can't fathom that that is incredible on its own.

879
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, she is a freakin', like you said, badass

880
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:18.719
<v Speaker 2>of the day. But holy shit, she also deserved to live.

881
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:22.519
<v Speaker 1>She did. She deserved none of what she had done

882
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.800
<v Speaker 1>to her, not a single bit of it. She did nothing.

883
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:28.119
<v Speaker 1>She wanted to fit in, she wanted friends, she wanted

884
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:33.840
<v Speaker 1>to belong. She did chores, babysat, did errands, she took abuse.

885
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.239
<v Speaker 2>And she was probably polite and super nice to all.

886
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Of them exactly. She was literally a fucking angel and

887
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:41.000
<v Speaker 1>they did. Yes.

888
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, Well the only I only can there's only

889
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:49.440
<v Speaker 2>one punishment these people freaking deserve. In my mind right now,

890
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I agree with you, And I just have to say

891
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.599
<v Speaker 2>one other thing too. If she did pass away out there,

892
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:59.519
<v Speaker 2>they probably would have gotten away with this. They could have.

893
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:00.719
<v Speaker 1>They could have.

894
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Her family may have known some things, but the chances

895
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.199
<v Speaker 2>are far greater, right obviously.

896
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:11.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's higher chance of like she could have been missing.

897
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:13.519
<v Speaker 1>They might not have ever found her body. Who knows, right,

898
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:16.800
<v Speaker 1>if they found her body, they probably would have been

899
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 1>able to pend it on them that sort of thing.

900
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Who knows, but I digress or.

901
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Someone one of them, knowing how freakin creepy ass bitches

902
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:26.960
<v Speaker 2>they are, could have gone back out there and buried

903
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:27.639
<v Speaker 2>her or something.

904
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, Although Suzanne had not survived, the information she

905
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 1>provided to police in those final hours ensured that the

906
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:38.960
<v Speaker 1>people responsible for her suffering would soon be identified. For

907
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:42.920
<v Speaker 1>detectives with the Greater Manchester Police, the information Suzanne gave

908
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:45.199
<v Speaker 1>them was more than enough to begin to move quickly,

909
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:48.679
<v Speaker 1>and in the early hours of December fourteenth, just hours

910
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:52.360
<v Speaker 1>after Suzanne had been found on the roadside, officers arrived

911
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.960
<v Speaker 1>at that address that she had provided. Arned with a

912
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:59.199
<v Speaker 1>search warrant, They entered the property and began searching the house.

913
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.360
<v Speaker 1>It didn't take long for them to find disturbing evidence

914
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:06.800
<v Speaker 1>to back up what Suzanne had told them. Investigators discovered

915
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:10.360
<v Speaker 1>clumps of Suzanne's shaved hair, along with bloodstains and other

916
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:13.960
<v Speaker 1>signs that a violent assault had taken place. As they

917
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.800
<v Speaker 1>continued searching, more items continued to come up that were

918
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.880
<v Speaker 1>connected with the attack, and all the evidence that they

919
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:23.840
<v Speaker 1>found strongly supported the story Suzanne had told them from

920
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the hospital bed, But investigation didn't stop there. Police were

921
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:31.599
<v Speaker 1>also directed to the nearby property where Suzanne had been

922
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:34.440
<v Speaker 1>held captive during the week of torture. She also told

923
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:38.199
<v Speaker 1>them about that. When officers entered that house, they found

924
00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:40.639
<v Speaker 1>the room where Suzanne had been restrained and the scene

925
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:42.239
<v Speaker 1>was horrifying.

926
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.239
<v Speaker 2>They didn't even go about cleaning anything up.

927
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is only hours after they had dumped her.

928
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:51.440
<v Speaker 2>But the hair though in the other house.

929
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:51.840
<v Speaker 1>For example.

930
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair enough, that's freaking wild.

931
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:55.519
<v Speaker 1>I see what you mean.

932
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nasty nasty people.

933
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:02.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're gross. Now that bed, the turned over box

934
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:05.440
<v Speaker 1>spring that she'd been tied to, it was still there

935
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.039
<v Speaker 1>in the room, along with ropes and other material that

936
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:11.000
<v Speaker 1>were used to secure and tie her in place. The

937
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:14.039
<v Speaker 1>room itself showed clear signs of what had happened inside.

938
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Blood and other evidence of prolonged violence were all present

939
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:20.840
<v Speaker 1>throughout the space. For the detectives working the case, the

940
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.239
<v Speaker 1>discovery confirmed the scale of the abuse Suzanne had described,

941
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:27.519
<v Speaker 1>and shortly after the search began, police started arresting the

942
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:32.239
<v Speaker 1>people that she named. One by one, they were all

943
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:37.760
<v Speaker 1>arrested and taken into custody. At first, those involved attempted

944
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.760
<v Speaker 1>to deny any sort of responsibility, saying that it wasn't them,

945
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:43.519
<v Speaker 1>or was the other people or whatever making any sort

946
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:47.039
<v Speaker 1>of excuse, But as investigators began questioning them and confronting

947
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.880
<v Speaker 1>them with the evidence collected and the parts of the

948
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:55.480
<v Speaker 1>story everything that they knew while things actually started to emerge. Eventually,

949
00:55:55.559 --> 00:56:00.599
<v Speaker 1>seventeen year old Anthony Dudson began cooperating with police. Encouraged

950
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:04.280
<v Speaker 1>by his father to tell the truth. Anthony provided investigators

951
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:06.639
<v Speaker 1>with a detailed account of what had happened during the

952
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:10.800
<v Speaker 1>week Suzanne had been held captive. His statement helped confirm

953
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:14.239
<v Speaker 1>many of the details Suzanne herself had already given officers

954
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:17.079
<v Speaker 1>and for some of the detectives involved, the case was

955
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:21.400
<v Speaker 1>unlike anything that ever encountered before the level of cruelty

956
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:25.760
<v Speaker 1>he described in statements. All these things and the evidence

957
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:29.239
<v Speaker 1>that supported it, it was deeply disturbing. Even officers with

958
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.920
<v Speaker 1>years of experience later admitted they struggled to comprehend how

959
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.559
<v Speaker 1>a group of people could carry out such a sustained

960
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:40.159
<v Speaker 1>torture against an innocent teenage girl, but whether they could

961
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:43.239
<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, it happened, and the investigation had

962
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.199
<v Speaker 1>now gathered enough evidence to move forward and prove it,

963
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:50.039
<v Speaker 1>and within the next year, the people responsible for Suzanne

964
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Kapper's suffering and murder would face their time in court.

965
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.840
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety three, the six individuals that she had

966
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:02.119
<v Speaker 1>named were brought to trial at Manchester Crown Court, with

967
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:05.679
<v Speaker 1>the full details of what had happened began to emerge.

968
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Over the course of the trial. Prosecutors laid out the

969
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:12.559
<v Speaker 1>events of the previous December and grim detail. Witness testimony,

970
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.760
<v Speaker 1>forensic evidence and statements taken during the investigation all combined

971
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:20.800
<v Speaker 1>to paint a picture of a horrific, prolonged cruelty that

972
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:25.360
<v Speaker 1>shocked even those accustomed to hearing serious criminal cases. The

973
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:27.599
<v Speaker 1>jury heard of how Suzanne had been lured back to

974
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.679
<v Speaker 1>the house under false pretense, only to be attacked almost

975
00:57:30.679 --> 00:57:34.559
<v Speaker 1>immediately after arriving. Evidence showed that she had been held

976
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:38.199
<v Speaker 1>captive for nearly a week, during which time she was beaten, burned,

977
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:43.320
<v Speaker 1>injected with drugs, humiliated, restrained, and the list goes on.

978
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Testimony also described how members of the group repeatedly returned

979
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:50.440
<v Speaker 1>to the room where she was being held, continuing the

980
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:54.880
<v Speaker 1>abuse while she remained unable to defend herself. Medical experts

981
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:57.000
<v Speaker 1>were called to the stand to explain the extent of

982
00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:00.079
<v Speaker 1>the damage to her body, while investigators described the condition

983
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:03.000
<v Speaker 1>of the room where she had been tied up. The

984
00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:06.360
<v Speaker 1>court also heard testimony from the witness David Hill. He

985
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:09.000
<v Speaker 1>recounted how she had pleaded with him to untie her

986
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:11.679
<v Speaker 1>and help her escape, and how he had left without

987
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:14.119
<v Speaker 1>intervening because he was afraid what the others might do

988
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.760
<v Speaker 1>to him. Another key piece of evidence came from Anthony

989
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Dudson his statement well It ultimately helped investigators reconstruct many

990
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:27.800
<v Speaker 1>of the events that took place inside that house. As

991
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:30.519
<v Speaker 1>the trial unfolded, the judge overseeing the case described the

992
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:34.880
<v Speaker 1>crime as one carried out with sadistic cruelty, and when

993
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:37.760
<v Speaker 1>the proceedings finally came to an end, the jury returned

994
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:43.840
<v Speaker 1>with its verdicts Jane Powell, Bernadette mcnilly Glenn Powell. They

995
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:48.159
<v Speaker 1>were all convicted of Suzannekapper's murder. Each received a life sentence,

996
00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:51.079
<v Speaker 1>with a minimum term of twenty five years before they

997
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:54.840
<v Speaker 1>could be considered for release. Anthony Dudson, who had been

998
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:57.199
<v Speaker 1>only seventeen at the time of the crime and had

999
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:01.800
<v Speaker 1>helped police with recounting the full scope of what had happened.

1000
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:05.039
<v Speaker 1>He was also sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum

1001
00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:09.360
<v Speaker 1>term of eighteen years. The remaining two defendants, Clifford Pook

1002
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:13.119
<v Speaker 1>and Jeffrey Lay, were convicted of lesser charges related to

1003
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne's captivity. Clifford received fifteen years, while Jeffrey received twelve.

1004
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:23.639
<v Speaker 1>In the years that followed the trial, the story of

1005
00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Suzannekaeper's murder continued to haunt the public. The sheer, unimaginable

1006
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.280
<v Speaker 1>brutality of the crime that shocked the community when at

1007
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:37.719
<v Speaker 1>first emerged in court was beyond anyone's imagination, But as

1008
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:41.280
<v Speaker 1>time passed, questions of parole began to arise, and the

1009
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:45.199
<v Speaker 1>case returned to public attention once again. Although three of

1010
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:48.239
<v Speaker 1>the attackers had been sentenced to life imprisonment with minimum

1011
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:51.760
<v Speaker 1>terms of twenty five years, the other two men convicted

1012
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:55.280
<v Speaker 1>of lesser charges served shorter sentences. Jeffrey Lay, who had

1013
00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:59.039
<v Speaker 1>been convicted of false imprisonment, was released from prison in

1014
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:02.320
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety eight after serving roughly only six years of

1015
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:03.000
<v Speaker 1>his sentence.

1016
01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

1017
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Clifford Pook, who had played a direct role in Suzanne's abuse,

1018
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:13.079
<v Speaker 1>remained incarcerated longer, but was eventually released in two thousand

1019
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:16.280
<v Speaker 1>and one after serving around only nine frick.

1020
01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:19.679
<v Speaker 2>I think anyone that was even remotely part of this,

1021
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:23.440
<v Speaker 2>knew about this, should just never see the light of

1022
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:24.000
<v Speaker 2>day again.

1023
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:27.639
<v Speaker 1>I know now the possibility that others involved in the

1024
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:30.280
<v Speaker 1>crime and how they might one day be released two

1025
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:32.880
<v Speaker 1>was something that Suzanne's family had feared from the very beginning.

1026
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Her mother, Elizabeth Dunbar, remained outspoken about the case for

1027
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:39.920
<v Speaker 1>many years. For her, the brutality of what had been

1028
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:42.800
<v Speaker 1>done to her daughter Suzanne meant that the people responsible

1029
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.039
<v Speaker 1>should never be allowed back into society. She felt the

1030
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:49.119
<v Speaker 1>same way you do, and whenever the issue of parole

1031
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.280
<v Speaker 1>was raised, she spoke publicly about her belief that those

1032
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.199
<v Speaker 1>responsible for her daughter's suffering should spend the rest of

1033
01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:59.400
<v Speaker 1>their lives behind bars. Now, over time, the fear of

1034
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:05.079
<v Speaker 1>parole ultimately become reality. After serving the minimum portion of

1035
01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:09.159
<v Speaker 1>their sentences, several of the main perpetrators were eventually granted parole.

1036
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Dudson, who had been seventeen at the time of

1037
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the crime, was released after serving his minimum term. Later,

1038
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the individuals who had received life sentences also began completing

1039
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:22.760
<v Speaker 1>their minimum sentences too. One of the most controversial decisions

1040
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:26.559
<v Speaker 1>came in twenty thirteen, when Bernadette McNeely sentence was reduced

1041
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:30.400
<v Speaker 1>slightly after a judge described her as a model prisoner

1042
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.280
<v Speaker 1>who had shown remorse during her time behind bars.

1043
01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:40.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't care. Yeah, Oh, it makes me honestly sick.

1044
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Like when you were just talking about Suzanne's mom and

1045
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:51.119
<v Speaker 2>her having to hear what happened to her daughter. Holy shit,

1046
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I know that makes me just nauseous because that is

1047
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:58.920
<v Speaker 2>just something that a mom should never ever ever have

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01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:02.440
<v Speaker 2>to hear about her own child going through.

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01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:05.360
<v Speaker 1>And it would be they would make her sick to herself.

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01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:06.760
<v Speaker 1>It makes me almost sick to my stuffy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she I don't even Yeah, Like her life going

1052
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:13.840
<v Speaker 2>forward after that is also, you know, pretty messed up.

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01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, now, the decision of lightning Bernadette's sentence because

1054
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Speaker 1>she was a model prisoner, meant that she would be

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01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:24.199
<v Speaker 1>eligible for release sooner than originally expected, and two years later,

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01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:29.079
<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen, Bernadette was released from prison. That decision

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01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:32.000
<v Speaker 1>sparked renewed anger amongst many members of the public who

1058
01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:34.760
<v Speaker 1>still remember the details of the case. For many, the

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01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:39.079
<v Speaker 1>idea that someone involved with such a horrific crime and

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01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.639
<v Speaker 1>they could just simply walk free was very difficult to accept,

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01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and most of all, for Suzanne's family, the passage of

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01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:48.320
<v Speaker 1>time had not lessened the pain of what had happened.

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01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.400
<v Speaker 1>They had lost a daughter or a sister in circumstances

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01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:55.119
<v Speaker 1>that were almost impossible to comprehend. Just like you were talking,

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01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:59.400
<v Speaker 1>No prison sentenced, no matter how long, could ever undo

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01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:01.280
<v Speaker 1>what had been done during that week in December of

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01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:06.960
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two. Now, ultimately all of the perpetrators of

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01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.239
<v Speaker 1>the torture and murder of Suzanne Kapper have been released,

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01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:15.960
<v Speaker 1>including Jeane and Glenn Jean in twenty seventeen and Glenn

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01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:21.280
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty three. They are all free now, while Suzanne,

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01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:23.239
<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, lost her life.

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01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, they're just walking amongst uss eh yep.

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<v Speaker 1>For more than three decades we have sat on this story.

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01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Time has passed since she walked down that road, Since

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01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:40.239
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne endured her body being burned, and her strength was

1076
01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:43.199
<v Speaker 1>all nearly gone. Yet she still desperately searched for help.

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01:03:44.360 --> 01:03:47.400
<v Speaker 1>For many people who learned about this case, it is

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01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:50.639
<v Speaker 1>the brutality of what happened during that week in December

1079
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:52.920
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen ninety two that is the hardest to comprehend.

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01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:56.760
<v Speaker 1>The sustained torture, the humiliation, the final act of violence

1081
01:03:56.800 --> 01:04:01.000
<v Speaker 1>that left a teenage girl she was sixteen, and she

1082
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:03.960
<v Speaker 1>was burned alive in the woods. They have all made

1083
01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Suzann's murder one of the most disturbing crimes in modern

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01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:11.960
<v Speaker 1>British history. But beyond the horror of the crime itself,

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01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne Kapper is remembered for something else. Even after enduring

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01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:24.320
<v Speaker 1>nearly a week of unimaginable abuse, she still found somehow

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01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the strength to survive long enough to reach the road

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01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and ask for help, And in the hours that followed,

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01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.480
<v Speaker 1>while doctors fought to keep her alive in hospital, Suzanne

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01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:37.360
<v Speaker 1>spoke out. Her throat was likely burnt from the heat

1091
01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:39.519
<v Speaker 1>as she was being burnt alive, and her lungs were

1092
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:42.800
<v Speaker 1>probably filled with ash and smoke, but still she managed

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01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:47.239
<v Speaker 1>to give police the information they needed to begin their investigation.

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01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:53.519
<v Speaker 1>She named the people responsible. Those statements ensured that the

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01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:56.880
<v Speaker 1>individuals who tortured her would not escape justice, even if

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01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:01.840
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel like it was enough. Without Suzanne's final testimony,

1097
01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:06.719
<v Speaker 1>investigators might have faced a far more difficult task reconstructing

1098
01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:09.519
<v Speaker 1>what happened inside that house on Langworthy Road. In fact,

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01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:11.599
<v Speaker 1>they may never have found her, and they may never

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01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:15.760
<v Speaker 1>have found those responsible people who helped her in the

1101
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:20.000
<v Speaker 1>morning on that day when she searched for help. Also

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01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:25.599
<v Speaker 1>remembered something else remarkable about Suzanne. Despite the pain she

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01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:31.519
<v Speaker 1>must have been experiencing, she remained kind, polite, soft spoken,

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01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:34.639
<v Speaker 1>and thanked the strangers who had stopped to help her.

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01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:40.480
<v Speaker 1>And she simply asked for water while they waited for emergency.

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01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Services, when really, at that point she should have had

1107
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:48.159
<v Speaker 2>about zero faith in humanity. Yeah, so that's incredible.

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01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:52.639
<v Speaker 1>It was a small moment of humanity in the middle

1109
01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:58.559
<v Speaker 1>of her own deeply tragic story. Today, Suzanne Kapper is

1110
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:02.719
<v Speaker 1>buried at Blackly's Sanemitarian Manchester, where her grave remains a

1111
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:05.679
<v Speaker 1>place for remembrance for those who still reflect on the case.

1112
01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Her story continues to be discussed in documentaries, articles, and

1113
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:14.119
<v Speaker 1>true crime investigations, not only because of the cruelty involved,

1114
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:17.679
<v Speaker 1>but because it shows how vulnerable people can be become

1115
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:21.360
<v Speaker 1>targets in the wrong environment for reasons as simple as

1116
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:26.079
<v Speaker 1>wanting to belong. Suzanne was only sixteen years old when

1117
01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:31.000
<v Speaker 1>she died. Her life was short, shaped by instability and

1118
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:33.840
<v Speaker 1>a search for acceptance that ultimately led her into the

1119
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:39.199
<v Speaker 1>company of people who exploited her vulnerability and kindness. But

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01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:43.360
<v Speaker 1>the courage that she showed in her final hours walking

1121
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:50.800
<v Speaker 1>out of the woods, finding help, identifying those responsible, being polite,

1122
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:55.199
<v Speaker 1>they all ensured that her voice would be heard. And

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01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:58.599
<v Speaker 1>because of that, the truth of what happened to Suzanne

1124
01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Capper will never be forgotten. And that's the story of

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01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Susan and Kapper.

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, I'm just beyond devastated that she didn't make it. Yeah,

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01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:18.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know ever, Like because like I said earlier,

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01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:20.440
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of a roller coaster. I was like,

1129
01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:22.800
<v Speaker 2>holy shit, she's gonna survive. Like I didn't realize this

1130
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:26.519
<v Speaker 2>was a survivor story. And then it wasn't.

1131
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I could I could just sob But I went through

1132
01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the exact same roller coaster ride. When I learned about

1133
01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the story, I got to that moment where I'm like, wait,

1134
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.119
<v Speaker 1>she's a lot. Does she survive? Oh my god, yes,

1135
01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:39.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you fucking go, girl, don't get me wrong,

1136
01:07:39.639 --> 01:07:41.719
<v Speaker 1>like you fuck, she still rock that, She's still a

1137
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:44.199
<v Speaker 1>fucking badass. For god, I wish she lived.

1138
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like after all that, I mean putting the flame

1139
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:54.559
<v Speaker 2>out and going to get help, but I mean, yeah,

1140
01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:57.119
<v Speaker 2>her body had just been through far too much.

1141
01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was she had been through far too much.

1142
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's honestly a freaking miracle that she lived as

1143
01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:05.639
<v Speaker 2>long as she did. Yeah, from what you've described, what

1144
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:07.079
<v Speaker 2>you described happened to her.

1145
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:10.519
<v Speaker 1>And all those people who did that to her, they're

1146
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:12.880
<v Speaker 1>all free. Each one of them could be listening to

1147
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:15.400
<v Speaker 1>this podcast right now, in fact, and if you are listening,

1148
01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I want to tell you, guys, one thing, Fuck you.

1149
01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:19.720
<v Speaker 1>That's it.

1150
01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:25.680
<v Speaker 2>That's like too nice, I know, but yeah, yeah, it's

1151
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:29.079
<v Speaker 2>pretty unbelievable that someone could that you could do something

1152
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:31.039
<v Speaker 2>like that to a human and then you still get

1153
01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:35.359
<v Speaker 2>to like live your life, yeah, and in freedom, you know,

1154
01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:39.159
<v Speaker 2>after however long, right, like I get live your life

1155
01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:41.520
<v Speaker 2>in jail or whatever. But to be put out and

1156
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:43.359
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, I don't know.

1157
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:45.680
<v Speaker 1>And every one of them should have rotted. The guy

1158
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:48.199
<v Speaker 1>who pulled her teeth out, the requires smashed her teeth

1159
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:51.000
<v Speaker 1>in and pulled them out. He did less than ten years.

1160
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:56.560
<v Speaker 2>You can only hope that they're just, I don't know, haunted.

1161
01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hope they're haunted every single fucking.

1162
01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Night by this, that they cannot live a proper life

1163
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:06.520
<v Speaker 2>because they feel so terrible for what they did, and

1164
01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:10.000
<v Speaker 2>that maybe they live their life being kind people. But

1165
01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:12.159
<v Speaker 2>still I don't even freaking give a shit.

1166
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I hope Suzanne is haunting each and every one

1167
01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:16.239
<v Speaker 1>of them.

1168
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:20.119
<v Speaker 2>But she's not too nice. She's better than that. Wouldn't

1169
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:22.359
<v Speaker 2>she wouldn't. She's a freaking kind human walk.

1170
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.159
<v Speaker 1>You're right, well, I hope they're conscious haunts them then

1171
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:28.439
<v Speaker 1>instead there. Yeah, thank you guys for being here. This

1172
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.000
<v Speaker 1>was a heavy, heavy episode.

1173
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you look just wrecked. I think we're probably all

1174
01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:33.359
<v Speaker 2>just wrecked.

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01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I think. So. It was heavy research and yeah I

1176
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:38.560
<v Speaker 1>was kind of heavy getting through it, But thank you

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01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:42.760
<v Speaker 1>guys for getting through it with us. To Susanne, yeah,

1178
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:45.319
<v Speaker 1>I a little bit left my drink so for her,

1179
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.039
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not going to do an end of the

1180
01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:50.199
<v Speaker 1>episode spiel. Just thank you for being here.

1181
01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:53.279
<v Speaker 3>And until next time, to Susan, to Suzanne, and until

1182
01:09:53.279 --> 01:10:17.359
<v Speaker 3>next time, stay wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>B
