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to your smartphone or tablet, And again, thank you so

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much for your support. We are discussing the shooting that

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occurred yesterday in Minneapolis. Ice agent shot and killed a

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thirty seven year old woman who ran into him as

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she was attempting to flee after she had been told

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to get out of her vehicle because she was harassing

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and following and then blocking the ice officers' vehicles. This

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is a standard tactic that these protesters have developed and

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and publicized. The National Lawyer's Guild, with funding from communists,

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they have put out their you know, their guidebook, their

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handbook on how to protest and how to behave and

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how to be like a quote unquote legal observer. You're

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gonna hear that term a lot legal observer, which there

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is no such designation, by the way, as a legal observer,

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like there's no protection to being a legal observer. This

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is just a term that they came up with to

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assign roles to people, you know, and then you could

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claim to be a legal observer even as you are

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driving a vehicle and blocking in ICE agents and then

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running into one as you attempt to flee arrest. Governor

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Tim Walls just did a press conference. We carried some

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of it before the newscast there. I'm gonna pick it

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up because he says something that's quite amazing. But first,

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Ernest has been hanging on the phone lines for a while.

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Let me get to him now. Ernest, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: How are you, Thanks Pete for taking my call to start.

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I found this Mayor Jacob Pry to be an interesting

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character when he let off about the ICE agent being

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a murderer and definitely murderer. I think I understand that

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he has been considered to be a mainstream Democrat, not

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a Democratic Socialist, and apparently he had a tough re

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election campaign where he did defeat a Democratic Socialist in

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the last election. I don't know whether he's term limited

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or not, but it would seem to me to be

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so willing to throw out the protections of the First Amendment,

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the presumption of innocence, due process, all of this. And

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obviously you could make the argument he biased this agent's.

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Speaker 3: Writes.

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Speaker 2: You know, you get all these difficult concepts up. But

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if you're talking about actual malice and disregard, acted with

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this reckless disregard and all of this kind of stuff.

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But it looks to me from his history, if he's

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a mainstream Democrat, we are in real trouble here. And

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I'd prefer to think that some of this was done

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his anger of what he was saying. He was throwing

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a bone to the Democratic socialist that might he might

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have to run for a fourth term, or maybe he

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wants to run for governor. I don't think he really

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believes what he said, Oh I do politically, No, I

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do himself some cushion or tract.

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Speaker 1: I believe. I believe he believes it. You know why.

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This is the exact same way he behaved after George

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Floyd's death. Okay, yeah, he's this is this is who

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he This is who this guy is.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 1: He is consistent in this. They he did beat his

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opponent in the mayor. The mayor's race a guy by

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the name of Omar Fata or something like that, and

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the guy was Somali, and they thought that Fry was

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going to lose badly. But then one of the clans,

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one of the Somali clans, voted for Fry because they

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didn't like the other clan. They hated the other clan

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from Somalia, so they voted for Fry against that clan,

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and that caused all sorts of problems. Ilan Omar got

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all upset at the other clan and all of that.

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That's this is what Minneapolis is now.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Let me make another comment. He has nothing to do

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with Minneapolis, but it does have something to do with

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Mandavi and his picks up there for housing directors or commissioners.

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I would submit to you. And I think you're aware

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of the movie Doctor Shibago if they ever make a

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remake of that. I think the casting call they ought

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to end audition some of these people that don't like

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private private homes and want to put have more of

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a collective nature in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, I do think a lot of

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them have experienced as theater kids. That's the I do

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think he's ernest. I appreciate the call, Sarah, thank you.

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I appreciate it all right. Let me get Ron on next. Hello, Ron,

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welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hey Pete, Hey, I was telling your cough taker there.

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I was a short police officer for almost thirty years,

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and back in the seventies, we me and my sergeant,

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we were chasing a stolen car are stolen truck over

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on Independence Boulevard and suspect ran me four times in

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my patrol car and we finally wrecked out on Independis

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at Idawha, and I got out because my car hit

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a tree and I got out and he kept swung

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the jeep around towards me. And when he did that,

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I fired it in four times with my service revolver,

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and I put one round into his head rest. That's

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how close I came to killing him. But he wrecked

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again and we got him out of the car. And

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uh so you know, I've been there, I've done that.

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And you're not thinking about rules and regulations when somebody's

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try and run you down with a car.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are all Monday morning quarterbacking this agent who

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had less than two seconds to decide whether or not

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that vehicle was going to kill him.

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Speaker 3: Sure, you know. And the people in the people in

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the up in the brass room there, they don't have

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to make any decisions that fast, but they all showing

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the street does right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ron, I appreciate the call, sir, and glad you're

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all right, and thank you for your service to appreciate it.

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Oh yeah, thank you, all right, yes, sir, take care.

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Let me get back to this press conference. Tim Walls

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just gave. Listen to what he says in this next

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club here.

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Speaker 5: We believe in states rights. We believe the federal government

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needs to stay out of this. We believe that the

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situation has gotten worse and less safe because of their presence.

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And I will just say there were two incidents yesterday.

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I saw after this that it just tore at my soul.

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I saw an individual at the scene identify themselves as

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medical personnel, a physician, and asked to provide aid. And

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an ICE agent said, I do not care. That lack

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of humanity was chilling to me. And after this incident happened,

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and after the tensions rose, ICE agents entered a Minnesota school,

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causing disruptions at that school. I can't say this strongly

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enough as governor, as a parent, as a teacher, to

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our elected representatives, Democrats and Republicans, I beg you, I

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implore you to tell them to stay out of our schools.

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This tragedy will be magnified one hundredfold if this fight

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moves into the hallways of our public schools amongst our youth,

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and they're watching us.

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Speaker 6: They're watching us. Now, how we respond?

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Speaker 1: Why would there be a fight again? He started off

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by saying, we believe in states rights. He is literally

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using the Confederate argument. He's literally trying to nullify state

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federal law. We believe in states rights. The federal government

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has no role here. That is not correct. There was

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a there was a war fought over nullification. He said yesterday.

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We've never been at war with the federal government, which

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I find to be bizarre. He was a history teacher.

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We did fight a war with the federal government. It

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was called the Civil War. That was the fight. It

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was over nullification, right, Like, we're not a part of

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this anymore. Oh, yes you are. No, we're going to

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nullify it. No you're not, and we go to war.

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So like, to me, this is very clear. And by

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the way, this is a member of the National Guard.

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Tim Walls is a member of the National Guard. Like

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he's opening himself up to all sorts of hmmm, well,

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I guess charges. But at least aches as a guardsman,

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and maybe that's what he's angling for. But this idea

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also that they can't go into schools, that's not true either.

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They can. They've avoided doing that. But if you've got

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some say pedophile that is a criminal, illegal alien that's

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working at a school district, I would want ICE to

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go in there and get that pedophile. Are you saying

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that they should not. That's what they picked up yesterday,

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They picked up a pedophile in Minneapolis. Fox News confirms

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Ice arrested a Somalian illegal alien sex offender in Minneapolis

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who had prior conviction in twenty sixteen for first degree

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criminal sexual conduct for forcing a victim to perform oral

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relations on him multiple times. Mahad Abdu La Kadir Yusuf

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also had prior arrest for first degree assault, has an

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active warrant from twenty twenty four for obstructing police. They

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tried to arrest him at his apartment, but the building

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manager blocked Ice from entering and shielded the convicted sex offender.

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This time they got them in a targeted operation, Like,

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what are you guys even doing up there? What are

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you doing? Who are you defending? Why are you doing this?

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Part of this is internet radicalization, by the way, that's

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what part of this is. We talked about it with

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the kid that pledged loyalty to ISIS and then was

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going to go on a stabbing massacre spree in mint

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Hill on New Year's Eve, and law enforcement had no

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problem talking about how the kid got radicalized online. What

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do you think is happening with these protesters, these agitators,

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these people that are engaged in violent activity against law enforcement?

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What do you think where do you think they're getting radicalized?

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It's the same dynamic, It's just a different ideology with

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a shared common goal, which is to destabilize Western civilization,

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a bunch of audio to play from yesterday's news conferences,

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but We just got another bunch of news conferences today.

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This latest one was Tim Walls, governor of Minnesota. We've

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been listening to his comments. Let's pick them up again.

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Speaker 5: So I've got a few simple ass Let us the

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professionals handle this on Minnesota soil this investigation. De escalate

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this citulation by removing yourselves from the situation with this

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two thousand agents that were put here.

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Speaker 1: So leave. So the way to de escalate is to

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stop enforcing the law. Do you hear yourself? Do Democrats

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actually hear themselves when they make this argument? This is

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a decarceration, defund the police argument. This is why I

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don't believe when they're like, oh, you know that defund

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the police thing. It you know, we were never for

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that and all that. No, they still believe in this stuff.

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They just know it doesn't pull very well. And when

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people see the results, they don't like living in crime

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infested neighborhoods. So what he's arguing here is for Ice

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to leave because Minnesota citizens and maybe non citizens are

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attacking federal law enforcement officers, but don't attack the local

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law enforcement officers. Don't do that. That's bad. Don't do that.

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We're on your side. We're you're there to protect you.

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You shouldn't be attacking us like you were doing a

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couple of years ago in the streets of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: But the way to de escalate is to remove yourselves,

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is to get out of Minnesota, is to stop going

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after criminal illegal aliens, stop deportations. No, No, that's the

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position of the federal government. That's my position. No, this

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is not going to stop. So your recourse here, your

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response can be either cooperate so these things go smoothly,

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or get out of the way. But if you insist

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on encouraging people to take to the streets and attack

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ice agents, more people are going to be injured, more

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people are going to die. That's how these things happen.

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That's what happens in any mob mentality. So those are

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the options people.

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Speaker 6: And above all else, stay out of our schools.

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Speaker 5: I'd like to ask you to care, but that might

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be a step too far for some people.

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Speaker 6: But I know Minnesotan's care.

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Speaker 1: No, this this is how you know. This is a

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bad faith ask. This is just posturing, because if you

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actually were trying to convince these people to get out

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of your state, you wouldn't do the backhanded insults at them, right,

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you would actually try to ingratiate yourself, to befriend them

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and to try to make them care, rather than say,

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I know, you don't care. You know, it's a good

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way to not get what you want is to do that.

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Speaker 5: So we'll protest peacefully. We were winning courts. We will

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certainly win in the defense of our democracy because the

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American people see what's happening.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means.

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Speaker 5: But the way that we don't win and the way

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that we lose if this turns towards violence and allows

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them to escalate.

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Speaker 1: I did hear a rumor that Governor Walls's wife had

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already opened up all of the windows in her house

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so she could smell the tires burning. You know, just

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a question. By the way, if you're on the left,

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you probably aren't even aware that she said that, because

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it's got no coverage in left wing or legacy media outlets.

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But she did say that that she opened up the

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windows during the summer of fiery but mostly peaceful protests.

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Speaker 6: It cannot happen.

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Speaker 5: So I asked the grasstop leaders out there, the faith leaders,

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the folks who are on the streets, and in many

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times the true leaders are not the elected officials, they're

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the folks on the ground. I beg you, implore you

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follow those words of the leaders we've had. I had

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the privilege of serving with John Lewis, and John talked

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about good trouble. I'm not telling you not to find

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good trouble. But I asked John many times. I said, John,

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I don't know if i'd have yourself restraint. Didn't you

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want to lash out? And he said yes, daily, But

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he said I wanted to win this. I wanted to

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do what right, and I wanted justice to prevail. And

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to do that, I knew the only way was to

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not lash out, to not give into that. So to

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each and every one of you, we're not going to

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win this through violence. We're going to win it through justice.

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We're going to win it through compassion. We're going to

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win it through Minnesota and ice, and we're going to

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win it by holding every one of these people accountable

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as they should for what we've seen on the streets

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of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 6: With that, I'm going to turn to Commissioner Jacob.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we'll stop it there. He's going to

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talk about troop levels and stuff like that. So there's

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com from the text line Jim says, was the woman

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in Minneapolis actually from Minneapolis or that neighborhood? Has that

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question been answered? Could she have been an agitator shipped

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in from another area? So I don't know with a one

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hundred percent certainty. Here is the initial reporting. This comes

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from the New York Post about thirty seven year old

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Renee Nicole Good described herself as a mother, a wife,

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and a poet. Her mother was the one who announced

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that she was the woman in the car, She told

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the Star Tribune newspaper. Her mom said she was extremely compassionate.

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She's taken care of people all her life. She was loving, forgiving,

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and affectionate. She was an amazing human being. She was

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probably terrified and said the circumstances of the death were

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quote so stupid. She was the mom of a six

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year old boy and had recently moved to the neighborhood

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with her wife and son. She was killed just blocks

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from her home. Her young son was left an orphan

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by the shooting, according to his shaken grandfather. The child's

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father was a comedian to whom Good was previously married,

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but he died in twenty twenty three, also at the

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age of thirty seven. Okay, so Renee Good was married

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to a man. They had a child. He died two

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years ago, and then she married a woman and moved

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to Minneapolis. In addition to being a mom, Good was

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a quote writer and poet who graduated from Old Dominion University.

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She studied creative writing. She was originally from Colorado Springs.

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Her Instagram bio has a Pride flag and says she

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her pronouns and all of that. Now what I found

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interesting here also is well Two points from the New

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York Post article number one, footage taken near the scene

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appeared to show a distraught woman who identified herself as

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Good's wife, who sobbed as she said the shooting was

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her fault and that she had a young child at school.

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Quote they shot her in the head. I have a

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six year old in school, she appears to say, telling

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a bystander that they were new to the area and

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she didn't know whom to call. She goes on to say,

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I made her come down here. It's my fault. They

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just shot my wife. So obviously a lot of survivor

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guilt there, but this woman saying that she made her

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come down there. This is why I say like some

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of this might be a bit of the online radicalization.

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She goes from being married to a dude having a son.

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The guy dies somehow, and now she's in Minneapolis with

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a wife and now is engaged in protests, and according

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to her mom in the article, the mother was baffled

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by the idea of her being involved in an ice protest,

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saying she was quote not part of anything like that

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at all, but she was. In fact, here's a witness

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who apparently was part of the protesting.

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Speaker 7: They clearly wanted her out of there because she was

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the main car leading the protest, is my understanding. I

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talked to another guy who was driving behind her, But

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she was she was very at she was very successful

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in blocking traffic. She was doing what she was what

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she was set out to do, and so they wanted

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to get her the hell out of there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it looked.

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Speaker 6: Like she was impeding ice vehicle.

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Speaker 1: Definitely.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was her goal.

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Speaker 1: That was her goal. So she was doing this thing

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that her mother was like, I can't imagine she would

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be a part of anything like this at all. So

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is this the influence of her wife that told her, Hey,

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come down here, I made her come down here. It's

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my fault. She was driving the car at the behest

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of the wife. All right, let me get to the

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phonees Mike, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 4: Hello Mike, Hello, Happy New Years.

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Speaker 1: Oh hello, Mike, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm so exciting it was this, Mike. Yes,

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I don't well, I know that.

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Speaker 1: I only have about two minutes, and I know you're

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going to use most of it, so let's let's try

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to keep it within two minutes.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I wanted to let you know. There was

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a new analysis that came out this morning. I will

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send you a link. You can watch it for yourself.

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But it's clear from this analysis of different videos that

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the ice agent was not struck by this vehicle.

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Speaker 1: I don't need I don't need another analysis. I saw

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the video from the window down the block, and you

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can clearly see the cop getting hit.

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Speaker 4: Okay, did you see.

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Speaker 1: That video or are you just looking at the one

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from the rear.

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Speaker 4: That's part of this analysis, and it shows that what

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you're thinking about this video that's very grainy. It's taken

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from about one hundred two hundred feet away. It's it's

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not clear at all, and you just look at it

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and see you can play it, play the audio on

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the air if you want to. But it's pretty clear

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that the that the ice agent was not struck.

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Speaker 1: Does that matter? Okay? So hang on, Mike, Does it

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matter if the ice agent is struck or not if

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the car is going at him?

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Speaker 4: Well, the car was not going at him.

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Speaker 1: It was when you know where the bullet holes went. Right,

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You know where the bullet holes went. Hang on, Mike,

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you know where the bullet holes are.

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Speaker 4: There's one in the front windshield and former mirror and

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then the final shot. He's standing right beside.

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Speaker 1: Right because the car right. So what does that indicate

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to you? If there are two shots that hit the

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front of the vehicle.

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Speaker 4: That his purpose in shooting was to try.

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Speaker 1: And no, no about his position? About where where the position?

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Where is his position? If the two bullet holes are

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in the front of the vehicle, what does that indicate

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about where he was standing?

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Speaker 4: He is off to the corner of the vehicle and

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not in front of it.

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Speaker 1: He's in front of the vehicle. That's how you get

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the shot. Where they were.

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Speaker 4: He was off to the front corner of the vehicle,

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one directly in front The other point I wanted to

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make in these small two minutes is you keep saying

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that how Democrats don't want the laws enforced. It's not

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that they don't want the laws enforce, it's what laws

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do you enforce? And how do you enforce?

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Speaker 1: No, they want ice out, they want ice out, Mike,

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I'm not going to let you gaslight me on this.

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I've listened to enough Democrat leadership over the last five years,

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ten years actually since Trump came down the escalator. I'm

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well aware of the position of the Democrat Party on

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enforcement of immigration law. All Right, if you're listening to

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this show, you know I try to keep up with

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And you've probably heard me say get your news from

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Speaker 6: Why.

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From the text line, Mike says, I think the federal

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officers should leave Minnesota, then Trump should cut off all

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federal funding to the state. Problem solved. Well, that is

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one way to go, I guess. Help me to understand

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why it was okay, according to liberals for an unarmed

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Ashley Babbitt to be killed by Capitol police, but the

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woman in Minnesota was murdered. Well, because everything is situational ethics.

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Speaker 6: See.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm going to anger a bunch of Trump

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supporters when I say this, but Ashley Babbitt should not

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have been trying to go through the broken window and

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to try to access the hallway where it is believed.

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It's my belief that there are a bunch of people

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hiding in the bathroom like Nancy Pelosi. So yeah, if

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you are breaking in and trying to get through a

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door window and a law enforcement officer is trying to

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protect people from a mob. See, this is the thing

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about mobs, Like you got one cop and you got

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a mob of forty people all surrounding the cop. The

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cop does not know what every individual in that mob

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is going to do. That's the thing about mobs. They

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behave in irrational ways. That's why we call it a

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mob mentality. But everything becomes situational ethics, everything becomes well,

488
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how does my team win by my interpretation of this event?

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And that's why I have a piece here from the

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Free Press. A fatal shooting in Minneapolis on Wednesday launched

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an immediate information war in which politicians drew lines and

492
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exchanged accusations long before they knew the facts. Yes, this

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is where we are now as a society because of

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the Internet and because of the proliferation of you know,

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direct to consumer video. This is where we are. In

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the past, media would write the narrative and that would

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become the truth. And then we would find out, Oh,

498
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wait a minute, that's not the truth. There are these

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other videos, these other eyewitness testimonies, There are more, there's

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more information. How about this one, hands up, don't shoot.

501
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How about what's his first name, Eric Sandman? Remember that kid?

502
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Oh he was smiling at the Native American, just smirking

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at Remember that story.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: We have example after example of the initial narrative that

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is pushed out not being true. And so that's why

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you're seeing this race in the information war. The videos

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leave room for reasonable debate about the nature of the

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incident and who was at fault. It isn't clear whether

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Good intended to strike the officer when she turned her vehicle,

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or if she meant to steer beyond him and accelerate away.

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Her decision to accelerate cost her her life, but viewers

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can disagree in good faith about her motive to do so. Right,

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I have not said anything about what she intended to

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do because I don't know what she intended to do,

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just like I don't know if that officer thought he

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was in fear for his life. I and perfectly willing

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to wait for the investigation to occur. But nobody is

519
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going to trust the investigation. Democrats aren't going to trust

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the and you just heard the governor of Minnesota say

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they won't trust it unless they're part of it. So, now,

522
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like to be clear, they refuse to cooperate with federal

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law enforcement on immigration matters, right, They refuse to cooperate,

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but are demanding cooperation from the federal government when it

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suits their purpose. So there's no consistency here. And by

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the way, on the legal matter, which is a separate issue,

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I'll give you a couple of a couple of opinions

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here from two lawyers. Number one, the agent was engaged

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in a legal law enforcement action. Okay, that's the first

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thing to understand. There was nothing unlawful about what Ice

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was doing. They were doing an operation they are legally

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allowed to do. Okay. Retired US Army Colonel Kurt Schlichter,

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lawyer out of California. He says, applying the law of

534
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self defense should be simple. It only gets complicated if

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you're trying to avoid a result you don't want. So

536
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we get two lines of argument from the left. The

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first is to misstate the law of self defense. They

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accept the facts, but falsely claim that the facts do

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not justify invoking self defense. For example, here we get

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our arguments that the woman was trying to drive away,

541
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though under the law of self defense, her intent is irrelevant.

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The analysis is what a reasonable cop would have thought

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in his position. What she thought does not matter. The

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second line of argument is to deny the facts, including

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facts that clearly show that shown on the videotapes. We

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saw that with people insisting despite pictures of bullet holes

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in the windshield and the front of the side view mirror,

548
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that the police officer was firing into the side window

549
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in an effort to deny that he was in the

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path of the vehicle. We just heard that from Mike

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Or they will minimize the facts the woman struck the

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police officer with what we hear is that he was

553
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only winged. That was their first That was the first

554
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round of arguments that was going around on social media

555
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on the left is that, oh, she just winged him.

556
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It wasn't that bad. So they'll minimize that as if

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he would have had to have been killed before the

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right to self defense kicks in. Then there's an attorney.

559
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He goes by the name on Twitter of shipwrecked crew.

560
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He's a long. He's a former prosecutor now a defense attorney.

561
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His last name is Shipley. That's why use shipwrecked crew anyway,

562
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he says. The officer is squarely in front of her

563
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left front bumper when she excelledrates. Remember the tires spin,

564
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the tire spin, the engine accelerates. They can hear it.

565
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They're standing right there. They can hear the engine accelerate

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and the wheels spin. He's standing right in front, and

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she misses him, mostly because he gets out of the way.

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She gets no credit for him having done so, by

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the way, under the law, she gets no credit because

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he was able to avoid a full front ramming. He says,

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this call is easy. As soon as she accelerated with

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the officer in front of her, she committed the twenty

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year version of a Section one to eleven B offence.

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At that moment, she became a fleeing felon and a

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deadly or dangerous threat to the community. That justifies the

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use of deadly force. The case law in favor of

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the officer is robust and rock solid. Once she directed

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her vehicle in the direction of the officer in front

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of her, that was assault on a law enforcement officer

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with a deadly or dangerous instrument. That's the car. Does

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not matter. If she hit him or he evaded her,

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None of that matters. That fact without more, made her

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a threat to the safety of the community if she

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was able to drive away. If she will run over

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an officer in marked clothing giving her a lawful order

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to stop the vehicle, then the law presumes she will

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run over a citizen too, if necessary use of deadly

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force is authorized to neutralize a threat to the community,

589
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i e. Preventing her from driving away. Now, you may

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not like the law, but that is the state of

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the law. It has developed over dozens of cases, all

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with multiple factual barriers. Pointing her car at the officer

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and starting forward was no different legally from pointing a

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gun at him and firing. The fact that the shooter

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00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,199
misses is irrelevant. Again, if you don't like the law,

596
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then change the law. I'm done pretending that. Well, you know,

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this is just where we don't like, as Mike was

598
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trying to argue, we don't like the way it's being done.

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The way it's being done. The way it's being done

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is because the Democrat president that preceded and succeeded. Donald

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Trump allowed ten to fifteen million people into the country,

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and sanctuary cities and jurisdictions have not expelled them and

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have not cooperated with ICE in getting rid of them.

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The reason why the operations, I've been saying this since

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they started these operations, the reason why they look like

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they do is because of the policies of the sanctuary politicians.

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And I'm sorry if you don't like the way it looks,

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but I'm not sorry. I would prefer it be done differently.

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I would prefer it be done more covertly, but we

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don't have that luxury anymore because of the sheer scale

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of the number of people that have been allowed to stay,

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and now leftist agitators and activists going around and harassing

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and threatening and assaulting federal law enforcement officers. If you

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wanted to de escalate, that's on you, all right. That'll

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do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening.

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while I'm gone.