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occurred yesterday in Minneapolis. Ice agent shot and killed a
thirty seven year old woman who ran into him as
she was attempting to flee after she had been told
to get out of her vehicle because she was harassing
and following and then blocking the ice officers' vehicles. This
is a standard tactic that these protesters have developed and
and publicized. The National Lawyer's Guild, with funding from communists,
they have put out their you know, their guidebook, their
handbook on how to protest and how to behave and
how to be like a quote unquote legal observer. You're
gonna hear that term a lot legal observer, which there
is no such designation, by the way, as a legal observer,
like there's no protection to being a legal observer. This
is just a term that they came up with to
assign roles to people, you know, and then you could
claim to be a legal observer even as you are
driving a vehicle and blocking in ICE agents and then
running into one as you attempt to flee arrest. Governor
Tim Walls just did a press conference. We carried some
of it before the newscast there. I'm gonna pick it
up because he says something that's quite amazing. But first,
Ernest has been hanging on the phone lines for a while.
Let me get to him now. Ernest, welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: How are you, Thanks Pete for taking my call to start.
I found this Mayor Jacob Pry to be an interesting
character when he let off about the ICE agent being
a murderer and definitely murderer. I think I understand that
he has been considered to be a mainstream Democrat, not
a Democratic Socialist, and apparently he had a tough re
election campaign where he did defeat a Democratic Socialist in
the last election. I don't know whether he's term limited
or not, but it would seem to me to be
so willing to throw out the protections of the First Amendment,
the presumption of innocence, due process, all of this. And
obviously you could make the argument he biased this agent's.
Speaker 3: Writes.
Speaker 2: You know, you get all these difficult concepts up. But
if you're talking about actual malice and disregard, acted with
this reckless disregard and all of this kind of stuff.
But it looks to me from his history, if he's
a mainstream Democrat, we are in real trouble here. And
I'd prefer to think that some of this was done
his anger of what he was saying. He was throwing
a bone to the Democratic socialist that might he might
have to run for a fourth term, or maybe he
wants to run for governor. I don't think he really
believes what he said, Oh I do politically, No, I
do himself some cushion or tract.
Speaker 1: I believe. I believe he believes it. You know why.
This is the exact same way he behaved after George
Floyd's death. Okay, yeah, he's this is this is who
he This is who this guy is.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: He is consistent in this. They he did beat his
opponent in the mayor. The mayor's race a guy by
the name of Omar Fata or something like that, and
the guy was Somali, and they thought that Fry was
going to lose badly. But then one of the clans,
one of the Somali clans, voted for Fry because they
didn't like the other clan. They hated the other clan
from Somalia, so they voted for Fry against that clan,
and that caused all sorts of problems. Ilan Omar got
all upset at the other clan and all of that.
That's this is what Minneapolis is now.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Let me make another comment. He has nothing to do
with Minneapolis, but it does have something to do with
Mandavi and his picks up there for housing directors or commissioners.
I would submit to you. And I think you're aware
of the movie Doctor Shibago if they ever make a
remake of that. I think the casting call they ought
to end audition some of these people that don't like
private private homes and want to put have more of
a collective nature in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, I do think a lot of
them have experienced as theater kids. That's the I do
think he's ernest. I appreciate the call, Sarah, thank you.
I appreciate it all right. Let me get Ron on next. Hello, Ron,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Hey Pete, Hey, I was telling your cough taker there.
I was a short police officer for almost thirty years,
and back in the seventies, we me and my sergeant,
we were chasing a stolen car are stolen truck over
on Independence Boulevard and suspect ran me four times in
my patrol car and we finally wrecked out on Independis
at Idawha, and I got out because my car hit
a tree and I got out and he kept swung
the jeep around towards me. And when he did that,
I fired it in four times with my service revolver,
and I put one round into his head rest. That's
how close I came to killing him. But he wrecked
again and we got him out of the car. And
uh so you know, I've been there, I've done that.
And you're not thinking about rules and regulations when somebody's
try and run you down with a car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are all Monday morning quarterbacking this agent who
had less than two seconds to decide whether or not
that vehicle was going to kill him.
Speaker 3: Sure, you know. And the people in the people in
the up in the brass room there, they don't have
to make any decisions that fast, but they all showing
the street does right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ron, I appreciate the call, sir, and glad you're
all right, and thank you for your service to appreciate it.
Oh yeah, thank you, all right, yes, sir, take care.
Let me get back to this press conference. Tim Walls
just gave. Listen to what he says in this next
club here.
Speaker 5: We believe in states rights. We believe the federal government
needs to stay out of this. We believe that the
situation has gotten worse and less safe because of their presence.
And I will just say there were two incidents yesterday.
I saw after this that it just tore at my soul.
I saw an individual at the scene identify themselves as
medical personnel, a physician, and asked to provide aid. And
an ICE agent said, I do not care. That lack
of humanity was chilling to me. And after this incident happened,
and after the tensions rose, ICE agents entered a Minnesota school,
causing disruptions at that school. I can't say this strongly
enough as governor, as a parent, as a teacher, to
our elected representatives, Democrats and Republicans, I beg you, I
implore you to tell them to stay out of our schools.
This tragedy will be magnified one hundredfold if this fight
moves into the hallways of our public schools amongst our youth,
and they're watching us.
Speaker 6: They're watching us. Now, how we respond?
Speaker 1: Why would there be a fight again? He started off
by saying, we believe in states rights. He is literally
using the Confederate argument. He's literally trying to nullify state
federal law. We believe in states rights. The federal government
has no role here. That is not correct. There was
a there was a war fought over nullification. He said yesterday.
We've never been at war with the federal government, which
I find to be bizarre. He was a history teacher.
We did fight a war with the federal government. It
was called the Civil War. That was the fight. It
was over nullification, right, Like, we're not a part of
this anymore. Oh, yes you are. No, we're going to
nullify it. No you're not, and we go to war.
So like, to me, this is very clear. And by
the way, this is a member of the National Guard.
Tim Walls is a member of the National Guard. Like
he's opening himself up to all sorts of hmmm, well,
I guess charges. But at least aches as a guardsman,
and maybe that's what he's angling for. But this idea
also that they can't go into schools, that's not true either.
They can. They've avoided doing that. But if you've got
some say pedophile that is a criminal, illegal alien that's
working at a school district, I would want ICE to
go in there and get that pedophile. Are you saying
that they should not. That's what they picked up yesterday,
They picked up a pedophile in Minneapolis. Fox News confirms
Ice arrested a Somalian illegal alien sex offender in Minneapolis
who had prior conviction in twenty sixteen for first degree
criminal sexual conduct for forcing a victim to perform oral
relations on him multiple times. Mahad Abdu La Kadir Yusuf
also had prior arrest for first degree assault, has an
active warrant from twenty twenty four for obstructing police. They
tried to arrest him at his apartment, but the building
manager blocked Ice from entering and shielded the convicted sex offender.
This time they got them in a targeted operation, Like,
what are you guys even doing up there? What are
you doing? Who are you defending? Why are you doing this?
Part of this is internet radicalization, by the way, that's
what part of this is. We talked about it with
the kid that pledged loyalty to ISIS and then was
going to go on a stabbing massacre spree in mint
Hill on New Year's Eve, and law enforcement had no
problem talking about how the kid got radicalized online. What
do you think is happening with these protesters, these agitators,
these people that are engaged in violent activity against law enforcement?
What do you think where do you think they're getting radicalized?
It's the same dynamic, It's just a different ideology with
a shared common goal, which is to destabilize Western civilization,
tear the existing dam replace it with something where you
will have your utopia or you'll have the power. All right,
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a bunch of audio to play from yesterday's news conferences,
but We just got another bunch of news conferences today.
This latest one was Tim Walls, governor of Minnesota. We've
been listening to his comments. Let's pick them up again.
Speaker 5: So I've got a few simple ass Let us the
professionals handle this on Minnesota soil this investigation. De escalate
this citulation by removing yourselves from the situation with this
two thousand agents that were put here.
Speaker 1: So leave. So the way to de escalate is to
stop enforcing the law. Do you hear yourself? Do Democrats
actually hear themselves when they make this argument? This is
a decarceration, defund the police argument. This is why I
don't believe when they're like, oh, you know that defund
the police thing. It you know, we were never for
that and all that. No, they still believe in this stuff.
They just know it doesn't pull very well. And when
people see the results, they don't like living in crime
infested neighborhoods. So what he's arguing here is for Ice
to leave because Minnesota citizens and maybe non citizens are
attacking federal law enforcement officers, but don't attack the local
law enforcement officers. Don't do that. That's bad. Don't do that.
We're on your side. We're you're there to protect you.
You shouldn't be attacking us like you were doing a
couple of years ago in the streets of Minneapolis.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: But the way to de escalate is to remove yourselves,
is to get out of Minnesota, is to stop going
after criminal illegal aliens, stop deportations. No, No, that's the
position of the federal government. That's my position. No, this
is not going to stop. So your recourse here, your
response can be either cooperate so these things go smoothly,
or get out of the way. But if you insist
on encouraging people to take to the streets and attack
ice agents, more people are going to be injured, more
people are going to die. That's how these things happen.
That's what happens in any mob mentality. So those are
the options people.
Speaker 6: And above all else, stay out of our schools.
Speaker 5: I'd like to ask you to care, but that might
be a step too far for some people.
Speaker 6: But I know Minnesotan's care.
Speaker 1: No, this this is how you know. This is a
bad faith ask. This is just posturing, because if you
actually were trying to convince these people to get out
of your state, you wouldn't do the backhanded insults at them, right,
you would actually try to ingratiate yourself, to befriend them
and to try to make them care, rather than say,
I know, you don't care. You know, it's a good
way to not get what you want is to do that.
Speaker 5: So we'll protest peacefully. We were winning courts. We will
certainly win in the defense of our democracy because the
American people see what's happening.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 5: But the way that we don't win and the way
that we lose if this turns towards violence and allows
them to escalate.
Speaker 1: I did hear a rumor that Governor Walls's wife had
already opened up all of the windows in her house
so she could smell the tires burning. You know, just
a question. By the way, if you're on the left,
you probably aren't even aware that she said that, because
it's got no coverage in left wing or legacy media outlets.
But she did say that that she opened up the
windows during the summer of fiery but mostly peaceful protests.
Speaker 6: It cannot happen.
Speaker 5: So I asked the grasstop leaders out there, the faith leaders,
the folks who are on the streets, and in many
times the true leaders are not the elected officials, they're
the folks on the ground. I beg you, implore you
follow those words of the leaders we've had. I had
the privilege of serving with John Lewis, and John talked
about good trouble. I'm not telling you not to find
good trouble. But I asked John many times. I said, John,
I don't know if i'd have yourself restraint. Didn't you
want to lash out? And he said yes, daily, But
he said I wanted to win this. I wanted to
do what right, and I wanted justice to prevail. And
to do that, I knew the only way was to
not lash out, to not give into that. So to
each and every one of you, we're not going to
win this through violence. We're going to win it through justice.
We're going to win it through compassion. We're going to
win it through Minnesota and ice, and we're going to
win it by holding every one of these people accountable
as they should for what we've seen on the streets
of Minneapolis.
Speaker 6: With that, I'm going to turn to Commissioner Jacob.
Speaker 1: All right, so we'll stop it there. He's going to
talk about troop levels and stuff like that. So there's
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in Minneapolis actually from Minneapolis or that neighborhood? Has that
question been answered? Could she have been an agitator shipped
in from another area? So I don't know with a one
hundred percent certainty. Here is the initial reporting. This comes
from the New York Post about thirty seven year old
Renee Nicole Good described herself as a mother, a wife,
and a poet. Her mother was the one who announced
that she was the woman in the car, She told
the Star Tribune newspaper. Her mom said she was extremely compassionate.
She's taken care of people all her life. She was loving, forgiving,
and affectionate. She was an amazing human being. She was
probably terrified and said the circumstances of the death were
quote so stupid. She was the mom of a six
year old boy and had recently moved to the neighborhood
with her wife and son. She was killed just blocks
from her home. Her young son was left an orphan
by the shooting, according to his shaken grandfather. The child's
father was a comedian to whom Good was previously married,
but he died in twenty twenty three, also at the
age of thirty seven. Okay, so Renee Good was married
to a man. They had a child. He died two
years ago, and then she married a woman and moved
to Minneapolis. In addition to being a mom, Good was
a quote writer and poet who graduated from Old Dominion University.
She studied creative writing. She was originally from Colorado Springs.
Her Instagram bio has a Pride flag and says she
her pronouns and all of that. Now what I found
interesting here also is well Two points from the New
York Post article number one, footage taken near the scene
appeared to show a distraught woman who identified herself as
Good's wife, who sobbed as she said the shooting was
her fault and that she had a young child at school.
Quote they shot her in the head. I have a
six year old in school, she appears to say, telling
a bystander that they were new to the area and
she didn't know whom to call. She goes on to say,
I made her come down here. It's my fault. They
just shot my wife. So obviously a lot of survivor
guilt there, but this woman saying that she made her
come down there. This is why I say like some
of this might be a bit of the online radicalization.
She goes from being married to a dude having a son.
The guy dies somehow, and now she's in Minneapolis with
a wife and now is engaged in protests, and according
to her mom in the article, the mother was baffled
by the idea of her being involved in an ice protest,
saying she was quote not part of anything like that
at all, but she was. In fact, here's a witness
who apparently was part of the protesting.
Speaker 7: They clearly wanted her out of there because she was
the main car leading the protest, is my understanding. I
talked to another guy who was driving behind her, But
she was she was very at she was very successful
in blocking traffic. She was doing what she was what
she was set out to do, and so they wanted
to get her the hell out of there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it looked.
Speaker 6: Like she was impeding ice vehicle.
Speaker 1: Definitely.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was her goal.
Speaker 1: That was her goal. So she was doing this thing
that her mother was like, I can't imagine she would
be a part of anything like this at all. So
is this the influence of her wife that told her, Hey,
come down here, I made her come down here. It's
my fault. She was driving the car at the behest
of the wife. All right, let me get to the
phonees Mike, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 4: Hello Mike, Hello, Happy New Years.
Speaker 1: Oh hello, Mike, how are you?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm so exciting it was this, Mike. Yes,
I don't well, I know that.
Speaker 1: I only have about two minutes, and I know you're
going to use most of it, so let's let's try
to keep it within two minutes.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I wanted to let you know. There was
a new analysis that came out this morning. I will
send you a link. You can watch it for yourself.
But it's clear from this analysis of different videos that
the ice agent was not struck by this vehicle.
Speaker 1: I don't need I don't need another analysis. I saw
the video from the window down the block, and you
can clearly see the cop getting hit.
Speaker 4: Okay, did you see.
Speaker 1: That video or are you just looking at the one
from the rear.
Speaker 4: That's part of this analysis, and it shows that what
you're thinking about this video that's very grainy. It's taken
from about one hundred two hundred feet away. It's it's
not clear at all, and you just look at it
and see you can play it, play the audio on
the air if you want to. But it's pretty clear
that the that the ice agent was not struck.
Speaker 1: Does that matter? Okay? So hang on, Mike, Does it
matter if the ice agent is struck or not if
the car is going at him?
Speaker 4: Well, the car was not going at him.
Speaker 1: It was when you know where the bullet holes went. Right,
You know where the bullet holes went. Hang on, Mike,
you know where the bullet holes are.
Speaker 4: There's one in the front windshield and former mirror and
then the final shot. He's standing right beside.
Speaker 1: Right because the car right. So what does that indicate
to you? If there are two shots that hit the
front of the vehicle.
Speaker 4: That his purpose in shooting was to try.
Speaker 1: And no, no about his position? About where where the position?
Where is his position? If the two bullet holes are
in the front of the vehicle, what does that indicate
about where he was standing?
Speaker 4: He is off to the corner of the vehicle and
not in front of it.
Speaker 1: He's in front of the vehicle. That's how you get
the shot. Where they were.
Speaker 4: He was off to the front corner of the vehicle,
one directly in front The other point I wanted to
make in these small two minutes is you keep saying
that how Democrats don't want the laws enforced. It's not
that they don't want the laws enforce, it's what laws
do you enforce? And how do you enforce?
Speaker 1: No, they want ice out, they want ice out, Mike,
I'm not going to let you gaslight me on this.
I've listened to enough Democrat leadership over the last five years,
ten years actually since Trump came down the escalator. I'm
well aware of the position of the Democrat Party on
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From the text line, Mike says, I think the federal
officers should leave Minnesota, then Trump should cut off all
federal funding to the state. Problem solved. Well, that is
one way to go, I guess. Help me to understand
why it was okay, according to liberals for an unarmed
Ashley Babbitt to be killed by Capitol police, but the
woman in Minnesota was murdered. Well, because everything is situational ethics.
Speaker 6: See.
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to anger a bunch of Trump
supporters when I say this, but Ashley Babbitt should not
have been trying to go through the broken window and
to try to access the hallway where it is believed.
It's my belief that there are a bunch of people
hiding in the bathroom like Nancy Pelosi. So yeah, if
you are breaking in and trying to get through a
door window and a law enforcement officer is trying to
protect people from a mob. See, this is the thing
about mobs, Like you got one cop and you got
a mob of forty people all surrounding the cop. The
cop does not know what every individual in that mob
is going to do. That's the thing about mobs. They
behave in irrational ways. That's why we call it a
mob mentality. But everything becomes situational ethics, everything becomes well,
how does my team win by my interpretation of this event?
And that's why I have a piece here from the
Free Press. A fatal shooting in Minneapolis on Wednesday launched
an immediate information war in which politicians drew lines and
exchanged accusations long before they knew the facts. Yes, this
is where we are now as a society because of
the Internet and because of the proliferation of you know,
direct to consumer video. This is where we are. In
the past, media would write the narrative and that would
become the truth. And then we would find out, Oh,
wait a minute, that's not the truth. There are these
other videos, these other eyewitness testimonies, There are more, there's
more information. How about this one, hands up, don't shoot.
How about what's his first name, Eric Sandman? Remember that kid?
Oh he was smiling at the Native American, just smirking
at Remember that story.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: We have example after example of the initial narrative that
is pushed out not being true. And so that's why
you're seeing this race in the information war. The videos
leave room for reasonable debate about the nature of the
incident and who was at fault. It isn't clear whether
Good intended to strike the officer when she turned her vehicle,
or if she meant to steer beyond him and accelerate away.
Her decision to accelerate cost her her life, but viewers
can disagree in good faith about her motive to do so. Right,
I have not said anything about what she intended to
do because I don't know what she intended to do,
just like I don't know if that officer thought he
was in fear for his life. I and perfectly willing
to wait for the investigation to occur. But nobody is
going to trust the investigation. Democrats aren't going to trust
the and you just heard the governor of Minnesota say
they won't trust it unless they're part of it. So, now,
like to be clear, they refuse to cooperate with federal
law enforcement on immigration matters, right, They refuse to cooperate,
but are demanding cooperation from the federal government when it
suits their purpose. So there's no consistency here. And by
the way, on the legal matter, which is a separate issue,
I'll give you a couple of a couple of opinions
here from two lawyers. Number one, the agent was engaged
in a legal law enforcement action. Okay, that's the first
thing to understand. There was nothing unlawful about what Ice
was doing. They were doing an operation they are legally
allowed to do. Okay. Retired US Army Colonel Kurt Schlichter,
lawyer out of California. He says, applying the law of
self defense should be simple. It only gets complicated if
you're trying to avoid a result you don't want. So
we get two lines of argument from the left. The
first is to misstate the law of self defense. They
accept the facts, but falsely claim that the facts do
not justify invoking self defense. For example, here we get
our arguments that the woman was trying to drive away,
though under the law of self defense, her intent is irrelevant.
The analysis is what a reasonable cop would have thought
in his position. What she thought does not matter. The
second line of argument is to deny the facts, including
facts that clearly show that shown on the videotapes. We
saw that with people insisting despite pictures of bullet holes
in the windshield and the front of the side view mirror,
that the police officer was firing into the side window
in an effort to deny that he was in the
path of the vehicle. We just heard that from Mike
Or they will minimize the facts the woman struck the
police officer with what we hear is that he was
only winged. That was their first That was the first
round of arguments that was going around on social media
on the left is that, oh, she just winged him.
It wasn't that bad. So they'll minimize that as if
he would have had to have been killed before the
right to self defense kicks in. Then there's an attorney.
He goes by the name on Twitter of shipwrecked crew.
He's a long. He's a former prosecutor now a defense attorney.
His last name is Shipley. That's why use shipwrecked crew anyway,
he says. The officer is squarely in front of her
left front bumper when she excelledrates. Remember the tires spin,
the tire spin, the engine accelerates. They can hear it.
They're standing right there. They can hear the engine accelerate
and the wheels spin. He's standing right in front, and
she misses him, mostly because he gets out of the way.
She gets no credit for him having done so, by
the way, under the law, she gets no credit because
he was able to avoid a full front ramming. He says,
this call is easy. As soon as she accelerated with
the officer in front of her, she committed the twenty
year version of a Section one to eleven B offence.
At that moment, she became a fleeing felon and a
deadly or dangerous threat to the community. That justifies the
use of deadly force. The case law in favor of
the officer is robust and rock solid. Once she directed
her vehicle in the direction of the officer in front
of her, that was assault on a law enforcement officer
with a deadly or dangerous instrument. That's the car. Does
not matter. If she hit him or he evaded her,
None of that matters. That fact without more, made her
a threat to the safety of the community if she
was able to drive away. If she will run over
an officer in marked clothing giving her a lawful order
to stop the vehicle, then the law presumes she will
run over a citizen too, if necessary use of deadly
force is authorized to neutralize a threat to the community,
i e. Preventing her from driving away. Now, you may
not like the law, but that is the state of
the law. It has developed over dozens of cases, all
with multiple factual barriers. Pointing her car at the officer
and starting forward was no different legally from pointing a
gun at him and firing. The fact that the shooter
misses is irrelevant. Again, if you don't like the law,
then change the law. I'm done pretending that. Well, you know,
this is just where we don't like, as Mike was
trying to argue, we don't like the way it's being done.
The way it's being done. The way it's being done
is because the Democrat president that preceded and succeeded. Donald
Trump allowed ten to fifteen million people into the country,
and sanctuary cities and jurisdictions have not expelled them and
have not cooperated with ICE in getting rid of them.
The reason why the operations, I've been saying this since
they started these operations, the reason why they look like
they do is because of the policies of the sanctuary politicians.
And I'm sorry if you don't like the way it looks,
but I'm not sorry. I would prefer it be done differently.
I would prefer it be done more covertly, but we
don't have that luxury anymore because of the sheer scale
of the number of people that have been allowed to stay,
and now leftist agitators and activists going around and harassing
and threatening and assaulting federal law enforcement officers. If you
wanted to de escalate, that's on you, all right. That'll
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