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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time.

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Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend. No, here is your host,

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DJ leaves. Well, here we go with a weekend and

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interesting weekend because not a lot of significant fights. We

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will have a little bit of a preview. We do

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have to recap the Monster and what he did earlier

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this week in Japan, since we were last with you

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not surprising another Ko. We'll talk about that and a

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lot more. And oh oh Canelo Alvarez on the program

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one on one with the Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ Reeves.

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He is our insider. Fight Freaks Unite the substack, Bigfight

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Weekend dot Com. Ready for another weekend, my friend?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, quiet, but I'm ready for it. Not much to watch.

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There'll be one of those call your mother kind of.

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Speaker 2: Nights probably, so we got to get creative with this preview. Again,

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we come your way going into the weekend. Usually preview

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mode Thursday night into Friday, Saturday night, Sunday night, something

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like that. Sunday night into Monday. We recap off the

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weekend on what happens and again Canelo week next week

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in a Canelo Alvarez pay per view is a much

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bigger deal, but Anyway, if you like what we do,

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be here twice every weekend is the point. Follow, subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify,

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They do help us. So you'll hear from Canelo in

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a little bit. We got a little bit of a preview,

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we got some news, we got some nostalgia. Let's start

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first with the monster, though since last you and I spoke,

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he does get the knockout, as I said, not unexpectedly

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of TJ. Dohaney, my namesake from Ireland. Dohany a little

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tougher than I thought. Obviously, go ahead brag about having

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the over on the bet Us show. It was over

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the four and a half rounds, and then, for all

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intents and purposes, it was really a back injury. I

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even thought live he hurt his back while I was

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watching this, because he grabbed his back immediately after that round.

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He tried to come out and fight at the beginning

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of the seventh round, and again he's walking around with

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what I call the grandpasiatic limp, walking around going oh

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my ache and back, Oh my aching leg. I can't

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feel my leg. All right, there's me saying that the

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Monster is the monster. What are your thoughts, Dan Rayfield, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm pretty sure what caused that issue to

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make him into the Grandpa back was probably some of

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those body shots in the flank that he was nailing

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them with at the end of the sixth round where

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he was kind of teeing off on him.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And as it was described to me by Sean Gibbons,

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who was TJ. Dohaney's advisor and has been with him

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for a very long time, who I spoke to while

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he was in the dressing room after the fight, is

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that he even coming back to the round. You didn't

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see it on the broadcast on the ESPN Plus, but

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that he had trouble sitting down on the stool post

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the sixth round, you know, gave it up, gave it

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an effort. You know, I can't knock him for his heart,

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I mean, and when he came out, he just he

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couldn't really move very well and in a way got

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off some very good punches, like a series of shots

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and basically hit him with some other body shots and

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caused him the the ropes and didn't go down to

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a knee, but basically limped across the ring, grabbed the

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ropes and went down to a knee, and the referee

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obviously understood that he couldn't go on and wave the

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fight off. So it's a TKO. It was a bit

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anti climatic. He kind of at the moment weren't really

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sure what happened. When you saw the replays of those

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body shots, it was pretty clear that.

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Speaker 2: In a way it wasn't sure. They cut him over

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in the corner and he's like, is that it? He's done? Okay,

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I'm the winner.

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Speaker 3: You know, TJ. It was like it was a disappointing

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ending to a kind of unfortunate, kind of kind of

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a messy, kind of bad. I mean, I can't say

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a bad fight, but not the kind of entertainment value

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or drama or excitement that we've seen in most annoy

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in a way fights. But it doesn't detract from you know,

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even on a night where maybe he wasn't at his

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absolute lights out best, he still dismantled and took apart

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and stopped you know, a credible challenger, a guy that

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had been a former champion, a guy that's coming off

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you know, I guess three knockouts in a row against

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guys that were sparring partners, two of them anyway that

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were sparring partners within a way, and you know, in

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a way's the kind of guy. And if he talked

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to his team or he talked to people at top rank,

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and you know, you hear more about the way he

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kind of carries himself. He's really the kind of guy

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that gets up for the bigger fights. So not to

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say that he doesn't get himself in top condition and

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train and be ready for the fight, because clearly he

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was ready physically and he went in there and he

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executed and when he let his hands go, still a

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very pinpoint puncher, but he just doesn't have that same

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kind of like overwhelming just desire, let's say, when you're

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in with an opponent that is not at the same level,

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when you're going for things like a unified title or

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the undisputed title like he's done in recent fights.

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Speaker 2: One one thing that I did see, and it was

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on a couple of occasions, dough Haany had success out

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of the south paw stance with the straight left hand.

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he didn't I mean, he didn't do any damage, nothing significant,

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away later that maybe that is a way to get

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to the monster somehow, someways. If you are a south

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paw who knows Narry was a south paul right and

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called him with the left hook early but couldn't do

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much after that, well, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean it wasn't a left hook. It was because if

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he's a Southpa, he's not throwing a hook. But I

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understand your point. He's throwing a strong left handed punch.

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I feel like the reason that that in a way

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started slowly, and I think Tim Bradley alluded to this

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on the broadcast with ESPN Plus. Look, he gets in

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the ring for the first round, he knows he's with

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a southpaw. Now, the power difference between a T. J.

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Dohaney and luis Neary, in my opinion, is vast near

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He is a bona fide puncher and Dohaney, in my opinion,

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his knockout record is more manufactured. They kept talking about

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what a great puncher Doughhaney is and I don't agree

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with that at all, but I'm not the one getting hit.

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The point here, though, is that in a way knows

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that against the south pat in round one in this

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fight that was in May against an opponent he was

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really pumped up for because that was a guy who

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was a former two time champion. More significantly, they're fighting

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in the Tokyo Dome. It's a huge event near He

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comes into the fight as like enemy number one in

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Japan because of the past times he'd been there, So

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he was really amped up for the fight. Both guys

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were not so much the same, Doheny, But in in

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a way's mind, he's a smart fighter. He knows Look,

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I got dropped in round one. Let me be a

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little cautious against this left hander and make sure I

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don't do anything stupid. And I think that was the

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reason for a little bit of the slow start. And

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then he started slowly but surely pick it up. I mean,

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you look at the punchdats. He completely overwhelmed them in

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terms of punches their own punches landed. But again, in

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a way is entitled to if you want to call,

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guy won basically, you know, out of the out of

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the seventh rounds. He stopped him in the seventh round.

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four or five of those rounds and it wasn't really

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that complicated. So he wins the fight. If that's an

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off night, I guess he'd take that all day long,

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because you know, the guy's been so masterful for such

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a long time. You know, just total domination in fight

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in and fight out, and not just against you know,

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nobody opponents. He's been doing it against the best fighters

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in his weight classes. That's why he's able to become

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an undisputed champion at bandamweight. That's why he's be able

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to move up to one hundred and twenty two, you know,

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destroy Stephen Fulton, take two titles, beap to paulas handily,

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take two titles, have the big fight with Neary, defend

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the title, and now he's in the ring against Dohaney, who,

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like I said, if that's your so called off night

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against your lesser quote unquote lesser opponent, you're still doing

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pretty well because Doheney, you know, against any other top

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one hundred and twenty two pounder, would be considered like

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a bona fide contender. I mean, he is thirty seven.

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It remains to be seen what he does going forward.

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kind of alluded to the fact that it was he

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understood this was not a big name opponent going in

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and maybe he wasn't quite as up for it. But

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now he got through it, no injuries. He's good and

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as Bob Aram, who was there making the trip, God

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bless him that ninety three years old or ninety two

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years old flying to Japan with his wife to be

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ringside for the fight, says that in a way, we'll

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be back in December to fight yet again and defend

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his titles in Japan, and then after that come the

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first part of next year, back for a fourth time,

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coming to the United States to fight, as he said,

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a big celebration in Las Vegas. Now the interesting thing is,

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and this is my more common thing in Japan than

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in the United States. The fight ended, but he did

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another press cor in a way, I guess on Wednesday,

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Japanese time, in which at that press commence, Ohashi Promotions,

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that's his Japanese promoter, announced that his fight will be

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on Christmas Eve in Japan, which will be I guess,

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Christmas Eve, what is that Christmas Eve morning morning US.

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and then after that again, if everything goes well, he'll

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come back to fight once again in the United States.

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Now the question will become who's he going to fight

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in the December fight. It seems to me based on

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his mandatory situation, it will either be Sam Goodman, who

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was the IVF mandatory from Australia who actually got in

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the ring within a way post the Neary fight talking

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that fight up and Yarie also, by the way, has

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Goodman has a victory over TJ. Dohaney also in a

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ten round to sir no, I take that back. It

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was now I gotta look this up. I thought it

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was Dohaney that actually scored the upset against Goodman. I

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have to double check that. But the point is that's

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one of the likely candidates. The other likely candidate would

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be is WBA mandatory, which is already order but was

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kind of waylaid by this fight. Is M j Ackman Dive,

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who was a former title holder. In terms of the

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situation with Dohaney, he actually did lose to Sam Goodman

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back in twenty twenty three in a ten round decision,

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so they have that common opponent where Goodman was the winner.

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I'm not really quite sure why Goodman didn't happen in

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this fight. It seemed like that was what was on

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pace to be the case, but it didn't. So anyway,

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you're looking at the you gotta figure it's going to

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be one of the two mandatory opponents that both organizations

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sort of claiming that they're due. I'd have to get

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some clarification on what the rotation system says. I think

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it's the WBA that's next, but who that knows what

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Speaker 2: But still, I mean, give the monster credit. He's been

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very active by paying for pound top fighter statuses, and

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if we get him again in December, that's tremendous h

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one year. Let's hear it.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear it for that Listen. Like I was saying

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before the fight that he had may not have been

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the greatest of the performance we've seen from anyway, but

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anytime he gets in the ring, I'm excited about it.

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I mean, he like he said, I've said this a

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thousand times, he's a true I mean, you're watching greatness

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and I think everybody should appreciate it while it's happening.

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This is a guy who's still a top notch fighter

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doing his thing against all the top contenders. He's not

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fighting the you know, lesser opponents. Every guy he fights

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as a credible quality guy or a former champion or

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a current champion or you know, an undefeated guy or

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what have you. And he's beating that. He's not just

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winning the fights, he's doing it easily. And I'll see

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how long you can keep it going. I mean, he's

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a long time and he's moved up, you know, several

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weight classes. I mean he turned professional at a you know,

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in the junior flyweight division one hundred and eight pounds.

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Now he's boxing a one hundred and twenty two pounds

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with a lot of conversation that sometime next year he'll

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go to one hundred and twenty six pounds. That's a

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pretty big spread in terms of you know, guys who

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are that small to begin with. So you know, you

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never know when that when that prime or that window

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is going to close or there's gonna be a person

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that can break through and maybe find a flaw. But

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so far, against a whole series of quality guys, and

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by the way, different kind of style guys. Like some

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guys are boxers, some guys are punchers, some guys are

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fast guys, some guys are more slower guys. I mean,

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he's fought all kinds of different style fighters. So I

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mean in a way, you know, we're seeing the greatness

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I work. And you know, again on a night that

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wasn't the best, he did the job big time.

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Speaker 2: And again just looking at it, it's five fights now

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for him since December of twenty twenty two when he

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beat Paul Butler and won the undisputed bantamweight titles. If

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he fights in December, that's six fights in twenty four months.

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Show me another, Terrence Crawford ain't fighting six times in

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twenty four months.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's times in six years, bro.

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Speaker 2: So that's good activity on that.

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Speaker 3: Here's another great stat for him back anyway, by the way,

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you know, you mentioned about the activity, and a lot

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of people think he's number one pound for pound, He's

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now twenty three and oher with twenty one knockouts in

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world title fights in four different weight classes, and he's

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been undisputed in two of those weight classes. So those

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are numbers that are just mushrooming into historic level.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, all right, on the undercard, tell me about the

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immediate undercard and the co feature fight won by Yoshi

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Yoshkai Takai Yoshiki Takai for the WBO bantamweight title. I

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have to honestly confess I did not watch that fight

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breakfast and Japanese boxing. But give me the update on

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him winning the WBO bantamweight title that in a way.

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Speaker 3: Used to hold well. He was defending the title for

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the first time, that's the first thing. And he was

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taken on Daego Higa, who is a former WBC Flyway

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titlelder who was a pretty damn good fighter. This was

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a really, really good fight. I mean, whatever the main

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event may have lacked in entertainment or dramatics or big

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punches or big knockouts or knockdowns or whatever you want

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to discuss this, this fight between Takai and Heiga was

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a tremendous battle. These guys really let it all hang out.

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Super excellent fight. You know, Takai is a fighter that

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was a former kickboxer who came into boxing and won

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the title in his previous fight, and now he's making

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the first defense, and they didn't do him many favors

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by match them up with a really solid opponent in Hegau,

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and this was just a great matchup. This was these

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guys both like I said, they both went to work,

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they both let it all hang out. They both were

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there to win. It was very close. Uh, you know,

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hego had a lot of good moments, and then come

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the eleventh round where the fight's really really close and

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you're like, you know, you know, could maybe be going

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either way. He just scores a knockdown. It was you know,

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when you watch the replay, it could have you know,

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there was some some up uh complaining from from heat

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from Takai when it was when it was called because

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he felt like it was a slip. When you watch

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the replay, he clearly did slip, but there was also

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a punch. So it really is a judgment call. Had

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the ref rule to the slip, you couldn't really argue

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too strenuously against it. He called it a knocked down.

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You can't really argue too streng strenuously against it. There

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was a shot that landed. Uh, but at that point,

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that extra point, you're like, okay, that could really have

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a big difference in what happens because the fight is

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so close. And then you know what Yoshiki ta Kai

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did what champions are supposed to do. He went out

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there in a twelfth round. He did not leave anything

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the chance. He went out there and he beat the

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shit out of Daego. He got in the twelfth round.

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I mean, it was the overwhelming, most overwhelming round of

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the entire fight. You know, he was keep in mind

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by the way Tikay's had a rough fight also, It's

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not like he had an easy night. He was getting

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hammered also, as was he got. You know, the guy

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was cut over the eye, blood was coming down his face,

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and he went out there and like I said, he

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just laid it on him and he could just you know,

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couldn't breathe in that round he was getting just the

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pressure was just NonStop. And in the end it was

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an overwhelming twelfth round where I think I didn't do this,

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But if you had said to me, you scored the

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twelfth round ten eight with no knockdown, you know I

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didn't do that. But I couldn't really blame you, frankly,

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because that was that overwhelming of a knock of a round.

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Again until if you look at the compy box stats

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in particular in that round. Again, I know that's not

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the end they'll be all the judges don't have access,

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but on on postfight looking at those stats, it is

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interesting in the twelfth round to Kyle out landed, he

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get twenty eight to five. That's domination and a lot

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of them were clean, hard punches that were rocking his head,

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knocking him into the ropes, and so in the end

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he got the decision. It was very close, one to

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fifteen to one to twelve on the two score cards

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and one fourteen to one thirteen on the third score card.

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First time tick I had ever been knocked down as

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a professional boxer. They did make mention that he had

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then dropped two times as a KICKBOXERU. But that was

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a very very good fight to retain the WBO bantamway

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title in a fight that was the fight of the night,

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you know, because the main event was a little bit uneven.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so good because again that was midweek since last

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we did the recap podcast that they had that Now

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again Canelo Alvarez coming up here in just a couple

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of moments. We don't have a lot we will have

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a bet us boxing show coming on Friday, will handicap

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both the Sam Noakes European lightweight title defense which is

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Friday night in London, and then there's a WBA strawweight

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title I've been practicing. My name is it Toma Moon

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or Thoma Moon. Toma Moon Niamtrong is the fighter that

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has the WBA strawweight title. He's fighting in Australia against

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a relative new professional in Alex Winwood, a former decorated

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Australian amateur. That is the championship fight of the weekend.

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It's in Australia's Saturday morning US time, so we got

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a little bit there, but not a lot in the

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preview mode.

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Speaker 3: I like to refer to him the champion because I

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have hard time saying the Thai name. I go by

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the nickname or the sponsor name. He is knockout CP Freshmart,

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So like many and I don't know if the listeners

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realize this, and this has been a common thing for

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decades that in Highland. You know the fighters obviously they

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have what their names are, but when they're in the

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professional ranks, typically they have a sponsor and oftentimes it's

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a gym, and so they take the name of their

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gym as their as their sort of studable, so that

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that's a regular thing. So he's been known depending on

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which reference you look at. If you look on box Wreck,

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for example, that call him by his real name, Neilmtrong.

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If you look in other places, you know he's referred

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to as knockout CP Freshmark.

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Speaker 2: You want me to start calling you Freshmart, don't you.

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Speaker 3: I'm just no, because they're not my sponsor. They want

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to pay me. You can come with it. But the

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point here is that whether you want to call him

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the am Trong or CP Freshmart, this is a fighter

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who has been a long time champion. I mean, he's

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not the most known guy. This is going to be

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his first fight in a little over two years. He

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had a whole thing where a mandatory was constantly postponed

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and canceled and there were issues. So he has not

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had a fight for quite some time, and so you're wondering,

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you know, is you know there's Russ and then there's Russ.

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I mean, like I said, the guy he has not

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fought since July of twenty twenty two, when he won

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one of his title defenses and you know, after that

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long of a break, you know who heck knows what's

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what's ticking with him, So this is one of those

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things that's kind of up in the air. Now. He's

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thirty three years old, but he's also twenty four and

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oh with nine knockouts and he's making his twelfth defense.

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This is the guy who's one of the longer reigning

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champions in boxing currently. But win Wood, I'm not really

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sure why he's getting this title shot. He's only four

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and oh with four and oh in his professional career

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with two knockouts. He's twenty seven. He was a two

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thous twenty Australian Olympians, so he's got a decorated amateur career. Obviously,

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he's got some muscle, if you will, economically in Perth,

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in the western part of Australia, because this is a

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fighter in a CP fresh Marty's traveling from Thailand to

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Perth to the hometown of the challenger, which is not

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the most common thing, especially when you consider that most

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of the defenses that he has made have taken place

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in Thailand, you know, where there is a pretty good

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boxing scene, So that's kind of interesting. Now, the one

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historical thing that the promoters are making a big deal

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about with regard to Winwood, who I guess does have

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some element of popularity in his home area, is that

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because he is four and oh, should he win this title,

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he will achieve a record for Australia for the fewest

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number of fights to win a world title buy an Australian.

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And it's not just any old guy's record. He would

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be he would be breaking the record of one of

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the all time great fighters Hall of famer, maybe one

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of the greatest, if not the greatest Australian fighter that

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there is, and that's Jeff Fennick, who was involved in

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some tremendous battles over the are and is just, you know,

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a legend in Australian boxing, frankly a legend of boxing

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Berried and uh, you know, a really cool guy I've got.

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I've met Jeff many times. He's trained some fighters. I

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I met him and spent some time with him at

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a time when he was training Mike Tyson, when Mike

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was getting ready for his final fight against Kevin McBride.

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But anyway, if you can be mentioned in Australian boxing

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and the Annals of Boxing, history in Australia. In the

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same breath as Jeff Enick. You're probably doing something right.

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So a lot of pressure on wind would because that's

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been a big part of the build up in that

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country for this fight. Can he break the Fennick record?

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And to me, uh, you know, who knows what what

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the champs got after such a long laught for little

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guys like that when they're they got to struggle to

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make that weigh one hundred and five pounds. He's thirty

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three years old, you know, so that's a rough one.

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So there'll be a good there'll be a good crowd there,

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I would imagine, and we'll say it's unfortunate there's no

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uh you know stream that I'm aware of, at least

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legally anyway in the United States where in North America.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna, I was just gonna say, how

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do we go about seeing this? And it may be

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like a YouTube replay or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Uh, for that fight probably probably be.

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Speaker 2: Saturday morning, US time, sorry night in Australia. By the way,

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Finnick won the world title. If I have this right,

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won the IBF bantamweight world title in his seventh pro fight.

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Win would trying to break that record in a fifth

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professional fight. Very curious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's going for that record in his fifth fight.

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You got the champ CP Freshmart looking to make his

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twelfth defense. So there's a battle of numbers if.

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Speaker 2: You will like all of that. All right, speaking of numbers,

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a guy that has amassed a bunch of numbers in

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terms of wins, accomplishments, title victories, money made is Canelo Alvarez.

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Speaker 3: Next weekend he will interview interviews logged with Rayfield.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's starting to total up as well. Next

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weekend he headlines September fourteenth in Las Vegas on pay

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per view against Edgar Berlanga. But you do not have

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to wait until next week or next weekend for Canelo Alvarez.

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He's right here with us on the preview pot.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is my pleasure to once again welcome to

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our podcast, the one and only can Banillo Alvarez. Canelo,

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you've been on this podcast before, you know the drill.

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I appreciate your time. Look forward to covering my twenty

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third Canelo Alvarez fight come September fourteenth, when you defend

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the unified super midiweight world Championship against Edgar Berlanga. It'll

472
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be a PBC on Prime pay per view at the

473
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,599
Team open in Las Vegas, as I call it the

474
00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:21,359
House that Canelo built. So welcome and thank you for

475
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,559
doing this. How's everything getting ready for you? Getting ready

476
00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:24,480
for this big fight for you?

477
00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:27,799
Speaker 4: Every day it's very my friend. I'm very happy for

478
00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:32,000
here in Lake Taco. I always training with my person

479
00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:36,200
there in the game, and I feel great. I enjoy

480
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:41,000
every day every time I'm being in training, common and

481
00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:42,519
getting ready.

482
00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,799
Speaker 3: Now, last week spoke prior to the fight that you

483
00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:48,759
had in May against Haimi Mungia, I introduced you as

484
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:51,920
Canelo Alvarez, the undisputed super middleweight champion of the world.

485
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,799
You were defending your four belts. You went out there

486
00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:57,559
and you beat Hamimngy and an entertaining fight for the fans.

487
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,440
No controversy won the fight. And now we go into

488
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,599
this fight between you and Edgar, and unfortunately your status

489
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,000
is undisputed is no longer there because the IBF stripped

490
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,680
you of their title because you declined to fight the

491
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,799
mandatory against a fighter named William Skull who is so

492
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,359
unknown that he fought an eight round fight on your

493
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,920
undercard in May in a fight that was not even

494
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,359
part of the pay per view or even on the

495
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,839
preliminary stream. So my question for you is has that

496
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,000
upset you that they've taken away the belt from you?

497
00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:28,160
We know you're the champ, but you don't have that

498
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:28,880
extra belt.

499
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 4: I know you know that. I understand them, and I

500
00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:42,240
know I'm not complain about it. They think they that's

501
00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:46,240
the correct thing to do. I don't really blame on them.

502
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,559
You know, I'm josh them and I'm I'm very happy

503
00:22:50,599 --> 00:22:55,279
with that where I am. So I'm doing my team,

504
00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,720
don't I'm not gonna fight with the school. I I

505
00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:05,839
can't fight with everybody at the same time, right mm hmm.

506
00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:10,960
And the fight with the school I don't. I don't

507
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,160
see that much. I don't see that fight.

508
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's not gonna sell. It wouldn't sell any

509
00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:19,920
pay per views, is I mean? Listen, you're always going

510
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,799
to sell pay per views.

511
00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 4: Like Honestly, I never hear of all the school seeing.

512
00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:31,880
When I hear about the schoolers after they they say, hey,

513
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,519
you have them on the toy you need to play

514
00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:37,359
with them. But I look, I'm doing my team and

515
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,720
I'm I'm not complaining about it.

516
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,559
Speaker 3: All right. So let's go back to the May fight.

517
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,319
You had the fight against Mongee, like I said, a

518
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,119
very entertaining fight. You you won handling on the scorecards.

519
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,079
You're you didn't get the knockout. I know you probably

520
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:50,480
would have liked that. You're fifth fighting a row without

521
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,559
a knockout, but still a clear decision. I've heard from

522
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,799
some people who have suggested Canelo that once you had

523
00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:58,720
him under control later in the fight because you had

524
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:01,799
knocked him down, that you basically carried him. You let

525
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,359
him survive and not got the knockout because you didn't

526
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,640
want to embarrass a fellow Mexican. What is your response

527
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,359
to those who think that you could have got the

528
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,680
knockout but you let him survive because he kind of

529
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,759
liked Mangia and like I said, he is a fellow countryman. Yeah.

530
00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 4: I like my people from Mexico. And you know why,

531
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,759
having phoned there in the fight, I really enjoy it

532
00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:27,799
a lot. And I say to my turner, you know,

533
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,359
if I put everything in one round, on two rounds,

534
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,519
I maybe finish Mungia, but you know I have him phone,

535
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:40,079
taking my time and the people enjoy a lot of fight.

536
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,079
Speaker 3: So after that, when it came time to set up

537
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:46,400
this fight for you on the September of Mexican Independence

538
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,799
Day weekend, because of who you are and your stature

539
00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:53,200
in boxing, everybody knows that if Canelo Alvarez chooses to

540
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,400
fight somebody, chances are he can get the opponent that

541
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,839
he wants because of what you bring in terms of

542
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,279
the exposure and the money and everything to go along

543
00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:02,720
with the Canelo Alvarez event. So my question for you is,

544
00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:05,200
what was it that made you select Berlanga. I know

545
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,480
there was also conversation maybe Chris U Bank Junior was

546
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:10,599
one of the candidates. What was it that made you

547
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,680
and your team and Eddie everybody say, you know what,

548
00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:13,960
let's give Berlanga the shot.

549
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 4: You know was yeah, two or three fighters in the table,

550
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,440
and Navy called me and say, you know, we want

551
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,640
to make this fight because we think he's more entertaining

552
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,519
for the people Mexico versus Puerto Rico and Belanga is

553
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:35,359
Sean John and everything. And I say, you know, I

554
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,599
don't care if you choose whatever you want. I'm ready,

555
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:39,839
all right.

556
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: So you mentioned that part of it was the reason

557
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:46,359
that you and your team selected Edgar, who, by the way,

558
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,160
is one of your mandatories. Not that that made a

559
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,759
difference in terms of skull, but nonetheless he is. But

560
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,759
you faced a few Puerto Rican fighters through your career.

561
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:54,480
But I was looking at your record, I didn't realize

562
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:56,920
that it had been such a long time since it's

563
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,279
been you facing a port Yeah, exactly. I was a

564
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,480
huge fight back in twenty fifteen, so it's been a

565
00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:06,000
number It's almost ten years frankly since that last type

566
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:08,559
of fight against the Puerto Rican. So tell me your thoughts,

567
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,319
just to describe what it means to you the Mexico

568
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,720
Puerto Rican rivalry. You fight, you fought Miguel, you fought

569
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,160
his brother, you fought Kermit Centron uh in past Mexico

570
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,440
Puerto Rico matchups. But what's the rivalry mean to you?

571
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 4: You know? You know, especially with Mighan Alcoto, for me

572
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:32,759
was I feel very proudable that pie because you know Milcoto,

573
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:35,720
I watched him when I was young, to lain a lot,

574
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,079
one of my favorite spighters, and to beat him for

575
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:44,359
me was special. And there is a uh Canelo before

576
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,880
and after Helcoro, so uh, it was very special night

577
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:54,160
for me, and i'm and i'm and I'm happy to

578
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,799
be in other rivalry versus Mexico and Puerto Rico.

579
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 3: And I guess for you it's probably a lot better

580
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,519
than taking on another Mexican like it did against Mongia,

581
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:05,440
which I know that you didn't love the idea of

582
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,839
fighting the Mexican country. Yeah, kind of part of it.

583
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I always say that I represent Mexico and I'm

584
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,880
very honored to represent Mexican and lian or like to

585
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:22,240
fight with my country man, my country people, but you know,

586
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:25,559
sometimes you need to do it, and that was happening

587
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,480
with Mungia, and I think was a good fight for

588
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:32,240
Mexican too. No, and I enjoy a lot, But now

589
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,039
is Mexico versus Puerto Rico, and I'm glad to be

590
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:37,119
to be here.

591
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 3: So September fourteenth is a date that you fought on

592
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,359
that weekend often because it's the weekend of the Mexican

593
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,079
Independence Day holiday. It's not a secret within the sports

594
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,359
and entertainment business that that's a night that Canelo Alvarez fights.

595
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,559
This fight is going to be on the same night

596
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,480
that UFC scheduled their fight also in Las Vegas. The

597
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,039
first ever sports event at the sphere. I've seen and

598
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,440
read comments from Dana White from UFC who's basically talk

599
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:03,680
bad about you doing a fight on that date against

600
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,119
their event, even though you know he knows better than

601
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,440
anybody that's the date that you often fight on, and

602
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,079
it seems like he's talking bad about you and about

603
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,119
the fight. I just wonder, what what's your view of that?

604
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,160
And like, to me, this seems like there's room for

605
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,319
everybody to, you know, put on big events.

606
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 4: No, no, like I say, the song coming for everybody, right,

607
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,359
And I don't complain about it. I don't say I

608
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,799
don't want to say anything bad about Dana Way. I

609
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,359
respect him. I respects his work. And you know, I

610
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,759
never look when we made this fire. I never say, hey,

611
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:42,839
we have the UFC there. And then I just like

612
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,880
to fight in Mexican Mexican independence and I enjoy a lot,

613
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:57,160
and I I'm very happy to be to be to

614
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,000
be here, to be fighting in the Mexican independness.

615
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: All right, just have a couple more questions for you.

616
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,039
It's been in the news quite a bit that when

617
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:09,079
you were going on your press tour to promote the

618
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:12,359
fight between yourself and Berlanga that it seemed almost more

619
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:14,079
of a fight between you and Edgar was the back

620
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:17,079
and forth within you and Turkey Alshik from Saudi Arabia.

621
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:19,640
Obviously everybody knows that he wanted to try to make

622
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,359
a fight between you and Terrence Crawford, who had just

623
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,240
defeated Israel Majimov at one hundred and fifty four. Have

624
00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:28,920
you fight him at one sixty eight. You said you

625
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,039
didn't want to be disturbed while you were preparing for

626
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:34,480
your fight with Edgar, and not that you wouldn't necessarily

627
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,920
talk to him, but it wasn't going to happen while

628
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,440
you were preparing. Can you just basically give me your

629
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,559
take on him saying then afterwards, you know what, forget it,

630
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:44,160
I don't want to pursue a Crawford Canelo fight. It

631
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,400
seemed like there was just a bunch of snipping between

632
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,240
you two back and forth. What was What was your

633
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:50,640
take on all that whole situation.

634
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,519
Speaker 4: Look, I never did respect anybody. I would respect everybody,

635
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:03,400
and and I liked if I respect everybody, I like

636
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,400
to they respect me to write and I have nothing

637
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:13,839
to do. I have nothing with with him. Maybe he's

638
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,160
a little bit desperate to make that fight. They call

639
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:23,759
me the night before the press conference in in in

640
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:26,839
Los Angeles and and say, you know, he wants to

641
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,000
meet you, and then try to make that fight with

642
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:31,880
their scoff And I say, look, I don't want to

643
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,680
talk about any other pie. I'm focused on the person

644
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,200
on September and the Verlanga pipe, and I don't want

645
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,359
to talk about any other pie right now.

646
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,799
Speaker 3: And I suppose there's always a chance to talk to

647
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:47,079
me in the future. I guess, like anything, Yeah, but I.

648
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:51,599
Speaker 4: Look he the next the very next day, he come

649
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:57,160
and say, yeah, you know, you know, it's fine. He

650
00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:00,160
can do whatever he wants. And I'm gonna do my

651
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,240
my job like always. I'm not desperate to make up

652
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,519
fight with them. I don't need it. If they went

653
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,920
to what we mean, we can go but different.

654
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: All right, So I'll just wrap it up with this. Then,

655
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,319
So you have the Berlanga fight in front of you, uh.

656
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,359
And I think it's you know, it's because of the

657
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,200
rivalry between the countries Mexico, Puerto Rican everything. It'll be

658
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,920
an attractive fight for quite a few people. But I

659
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,880
think every would be less and honest if people said

660
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,200
Berlanga was like your biggest opponent. You fought so many

661
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,759
great fighters. It's no no knock on Berlanga, but you've

662
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:33,880
had so many mega fights through the years, and I

663
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,119
wonder when you look at the landscape, what you know,

664
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:39,720
you're kind of running out of opponents that's super middleweight Frankly,

665
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:42,440
I mean there's not You've already beaten pretty much everybody,

666
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:45,359
and I just wonder in your mind, you know there's

667
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:47,880
still Benevidia's out there, and and Morale they've moved up

668
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,759
to light heavyweight. So the question I have for you

669
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,759
is do you have a desire to go back to

670
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:53,440
light heavyweight at some point to fight one of those

671
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,720
types of guys or what is the big fight for

672
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:56,759
you in the future.

673
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 4: The only the only I can make one seventy five

674
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:06,680
was I need to be with very much with the yougo,

675
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:11,839
That's the only fight and I don't see other than that.

676
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:14,799
Speaker 3: And so he's obviously got an important fight coming up

677
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,359
for undisputed. Just wrap it up with this and would

678
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,119
you consider the winner then if you could against better

679
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:20,960
Be or Beevile, whoever wins that fight come up at

680
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,519
the end of the year.

681
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,839
Speaker 4: Like I said, I use I just wanna go up

682
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:29,599
to have that very much with the ball. If he wins,

683
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,039
we can we can see before after that.

684
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,039
Speaker 3: All right, very good. Well, first you've got Edgar Berlanga

685
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,799
to defend your titles against on September fourteenth. Canelo, thank

686
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:42,720
you so much for your time. Look forward to seeing

687
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:44,559
you next month and I appreciate.

688
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:45,799
Speaker 4: It my pleasure.

689
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 3: Thank you again.

690
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:51,759
Speaker 2: Take care all right, Canelo walking in for Edgar Berlanga

691
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,400
next week in Vegas. Again you got the chance to

692
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,480
see him and talk to him as well. Final impressions

693
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,160
here as we get you for fight week next week.

694
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: Canelo, cool as cucumber, is always poised in a good mood.

695
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,799
I've always found him a pleasure to deal with in

696
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,960
terms of the media obligations that he has when he

697
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,440
does interviews. You know, he's he's happy, go lucky in

698
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,680
that sense. You know, I think he he reminds me

699
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,920
a little bit about of Clitchkow when I used to

700
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,480
do interviews with Vladimir Klitchkow before every single one of

701
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,920
his fights for many many years. You know, I got

702
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,599
the impression, and he's told me this also just flat

703
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,079
out when I asked him one time, like he enjoyed

704
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:30,519
the training camp. A lot of guys, you know, they

705
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,279
don't really love the training camp. It's, you know, it's

706
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:35,440
hard work. You're away from your family' you're isolated. You know,

707
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,160
you're not getting paid during the training camp. It's it's

708
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,319
a lot of stuff going on. It's kind of boring

709
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,319
when you're not doing your actual boxing stuff. But Clitchko

710
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:45,640
always reveled in the in the serenity, if you will,

711
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,640
of the solitude and being up in the mountains, in

712
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,160
the in the Alps, you know, on the border of

713
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,759
what Switzerland where he was when he would do with

714
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:56,839
his camps. And I kind of get the feeling when

715
00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:59,000
Canelo does his camps. He has that same kind of thing.

716
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,559
It's a chance for him to be within his own team.

717
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:04,000
There's it's things are quiet, it's you know, there's a

718
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,599
good schedule. He's doing this camp. Now, he's moved his

719
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,920
camps around a little bit. Klitchko for years was always

720
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,360
doing them pretty much in the same place. For the

721
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,679
last few camps or last couple of camps at least. Anyway,

722
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,519
Canelo has been training. You heard him mention I think

723
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:17,639
at the beginning of the interview he's doing this camp

724
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,079
once again in Lake Tahoe, like likes the altitude. But

725
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:22,679
he's in a good mood. He's we're looking forward to

726
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,079
the fight. You know. He talked as you heard about

727
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,960
being involved in another Mexico Puerto Rico fight, which you know,

728
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,559
is kind of like a swing of the the complete

729
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,480
opposite of what was his last fight, where he's fighting

730
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,079
a fellow Mexican. And it's, you know, a well known fact.

731
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,400
And Canelo has been on the record many times about

732
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,000
how he doesn't he never loved fighting Mexican opponents. You know,

733
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:44,480
talked about maybe letting Mungia off the hook a little

734
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,920
bit and not going for the knockout when he had

735
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,000
him hurt because he wanted to show respect for his

736
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:50,360
Mexican countrymen. I don't believe there'll be that kind of

737
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,840
respect against Edgar Berlank if he has him in position

738
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,599
to score with the ko, we'll say. But look, I

739
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,079
know that a lot of people are maybe not they

740
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:00,880
don't love this matchup. But any time Canelo is in

741
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,440
the ring and he's still doing his thing at the

742
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,159
highest level, it's it's exciting. You know. I'm always happy

743
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,239
to go out and cover Canelo I'll be going out

744
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,800
to Vegas on Wednesday. This will be I actually looked

745
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,639
this up and I mentioned this. I don't know if

746
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:14,119
it was on the interview, but maybe I mentioned it

747
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:16,400
in small talk with Canelo before the interview. It's me

748
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:19,159
my twenty third Canelo fight that I've did to cover.

749
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,000
That's a long fight. It's a lot of fights. I mean,

750
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,440
he's got sixty something fights. I've covered like literally a

751
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,760
third in terms of just being present, not to mention

752
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,239
the fights I've written about that I wasn't.

753
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:30,079
Speaker 2: At and he hasn't gotten a temporary restraining order against

754
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:33,960
you yet, not yet. All right, that's good, good interaction

755
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:38,320
there with Canelo Alvarez before the Berlanga fight week and

756
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,559
all of that. And that's why you've got to be

757
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:43,079
following and subscribing on this podcast feed to get conversations

758
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,480
just like that. When you heard from the man himself

759
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:49,119
on that we got some news and we've got some nostalgia.

760
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,519
Can this get any weirder? With Jeron Annis and your boy,

761
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,719
you're not saying what the latest is. They had the

762
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,000
purse bed and hold the Can you explain to me

763
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,639
how Matchroom did not win the purse bid, his promoter,

764
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,360
Innis's promoter, What what is going on?

765
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 3: Dan?

766
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: We've been over this eight different ways and here's a

767
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,079
ninth way. So what is up?

768
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,159
Speaker 3: So when you when you go to the point where

769
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,679
you're trying to make the unification fight for Ennis against

770
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,079
Brian Norman, as we've detailed, the only way for them

771
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,159
to get out of the mandatory fight with the IBF

772
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,320
before a purse bid was scheduled was to sign for

773
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,599
a unification fight. That's the one thing in the IBF

774
00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:35,360
rules that allows you to bypass the mandatory you know,

775
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,800
for at least the one to one fight. And they

776
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,719
were unsuccessful in making the Brian Norman fight. They were

777
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,320
about five hundred thousand dollars apart. That's according to Carl

778
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,239
ma Ready from Top Rank, which is the promoter for

779
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,280
Brian Norman. They didn't want to do the Chicazian fight

780
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,119
at all, not because they're afraid of them, but because

781
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,159
Boutsennis gets nothing out of it. That's beat him six

782
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:57,880
ways from Sunday twelve to zero in an interim titled

783
00:36:58,039 --> 00:36:59,960
fight when he won the interim title back in January

784
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,400
twenty twenty three in Washington, DC on the undercard when

785
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,599
Tank Davis fought Hector Luis Carcia. As I have said,

786
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,679
I'll never get the hour of my life back that

787
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,599
I sat through that one in the arena that night.

788
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,679
It was a terrible fight, but Boots won every round.

789
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,639
It wasn't like his fault. Chickanzi was on his bicycle

790
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:18,800
and was not really there to engage, and it was

791
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,960
a shitty fight. So the combination of having to fight

792
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:25,559
an opponent in Chikazi and who's got zero accomplishment, combined

793
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,199
with the fact that Jerdy kicked his ass last year, right,

794
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,719
they wanted nothing to do with this fight, but as

795
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,559
long as they're now forced into it because they were

796
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:34,639
not willing to spend the money that the Brian Norman

797
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,960
camp was asking for, which is certainly their prerogative. If

798
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,880
you're not going to do that, then you gotta go

799
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,239
and you gotta win the fight because you can't let

800
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,840
you're the guy that you basically said, is the next

801
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,800
Sugar Robinson who you talk up all the time. He's

802
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,480
our best guy. He's this, he's that, you know, you know,

803
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,119
I think Eddie Hearn thinks that Boots can walk on water.

804
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,079
And then you go out there and you lay an

805
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:57,800
egg in the purse spit and you get blown away.

806
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,559
They bid one million, fight five hundred and sixty six thousand,

807
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:05,239
six hundred and sixty six dollars and the and remember

808
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,239
they get sixty five percent of that money. So that's

809
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,800
a that's that's a distinct advantage for the champion. It's

810
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,159
always an advantage in a perspid if you're the if

811
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:19,039
you're the champ over the challenger. But the promotion company

812
00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:22,079
that works with Chikazi in Germany called P two M

813
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,360
Box Promotion, they bid two million, nine hundred and ninety

814
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,239
one dollars and eighty eight cents. Now, when the perspit

815
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,239
occurred on Tuesday, I put out that it was one

816
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,920
point eight million in change. What it was then explained

817
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,000
to me was in reality that one point eight something

818
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,760
figure that was in euros, right, so it's actually was

819
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,559
even higher in American money. So they bid over two million,

820
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,159
and that's how they have to pay for it, over

821
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,480
two million dollars in American money. So Mattrim loses the

822
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,679
perspid by almost a half a million dollars. That's absolutely outrageous.

823
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,559
So now in a situation, hold on, he's in a

824
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,800
situation where he's got to decide. Am I going to

825
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,199
go fight in Germany for that money on somebody else's card.

826
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,079
Speaker 2: I'm saying, where my guys.

827
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 3: Don't control the broadcast, you know, the P two M promotions,

828
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:07,880
they can they can sell it to the Zone, but

829
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,519
they could go to ESPN Plus in America I'm talking about,

830
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:13,000
they could try to sell it to you know, Amazon

831
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:15,360
Prime whatever. They can go anywhere they want. They can,

832
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:17,760
you know, do anything with it. So it's a it's

833
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,679
a really in my mind, it's a complete mess for

834
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:20,280
for Mattroom.

835
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: So that leads to is he just gonna vacate the belt?

836
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,639
With everything you just described, We've been in agreement this

837
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,880
fight is worthless. His promoter didn't win the purse bid,

838
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,199
do you believe because my belief is that's the next step.

839
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,360
Now he's just gonna say, okay, fine, I'm not fighting

840
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,400
this guy. I'm certainly not fighting him in Germany or

841
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,639
wherever else now.

842
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: So the Boots Ennis legacy at welterweight will then boil

843
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,920
down to I was an interim champion for a minute.

844
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,440
I made one defense against a second rate fighter like

845
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:51,239
David Evans, and and then I vacated because my promoter

846
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:54,440
did not make a good enough effort to win my fight,

847
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,360
so he went from But you could essentially having a

848
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,559
unification fight in his hometown, but my promoter too cheap

849
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,239
to spend the money on Norman's You.

850
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: Can make that. You can make that argument. But by

851
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:06,840
the same token is he's being forced to fight somebody

852
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,599
he doesn't want to fight, so he vacates and stays

853
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:10,239
at Welton Waite and maybe goes and fights for another

854
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,480
title somewhere else.

855
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: Well, where's he gonna fight for another title? Barrios is

856
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,360
not fighting him, as Stanionis is not fighting him. We've

857
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,800
already been down all the road with Brian Norman. So

858
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,920
now you go to one fifty four. There's no title

859
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,840
available form at the moment, certainly not for November. So

860
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,920
you're in a bad situation right now, you know, because

861
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,039
Boots Ennis is a tremendous fighter. We've discussed out a

862
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:29,800
thousand times. This is nothing but that Ennis. Here's the

863
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,840
point though, he's still had a point in his career

864
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,360
where he needs the title. You know, we just did

865
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,079
the interview with Canelo Alvarez. Canello, you know he was

866
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,480
stripped of the IBF title at supermid away. He doesn't

867
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:41,920
need that title. Frankly, Canelo Alvarez could put on big

868
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,400
events and make a shit a load of money if

869
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,599
he had no titles, because that's who he is. And

870
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:47,519
certain fighters get to that level of start of many

871
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:50,480
pack out Floyd Mayweather, Oscar del Loye at Canelo Alvarez,

872
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:53,360
certainly the Mike Tyson's and Holy Fields and fighters of

873
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,840
that caliber going back years ago. But a younger fighter

874
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,760
in terms of his professional career as a champion in

875
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,960
Botenna still needs the belt that helps make his legacy.

876
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:05,920
So what should have happened if Matrim had done this

877
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,199
the right way? In my opinion, I'm not knocking them

878
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,920
because they did a great job promoting the Abanescent fight.

879
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:12,519
They should have been able to figure out a way

880
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:14,440
to get the Brian Norman fight done. Give your man,

881
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,559
Boots senn Us a chance to go and become a

882
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:18,960
unified champion in front of his hometown, and then you

883
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:21,320
vacate and move up. So now you lose four over

884
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,000
five hundred thousand dollars or less on a mandatory where

885
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,599
now your guy might have to go to Germany. Now

886
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,119
Boots could say, you know, what fuck it. I want

887
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:29,280
the title. I'm gonna show this. I'm gonna take my

888
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,280
money from this fight, and I'm gonna go kick his

889
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,639
ass in his home country. He's gonna be heavily favored.

890
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:34,880
I don't care if they can fight the fight in

891
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,639
his backyard, in his kitchen, in his mom's bedroom, and

892
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:41,440
boots and is ain't losing that fight, all right. And

893
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,039
by the way, it's not like he's not getting paid.

894
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:45,280
If he goes under the terms of the PURSPID, if

895
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,000
he takes the option on the two million dollar per

896
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:50,199
spit and he goes and fights in Germany, his share

897
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:53,360
of that money is almost It's like over one point

898
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,079
three million dollars, which is around the same amount of

899
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,000
money I think that Boots has been making in his

900
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,159
last couple of fights, So it's not like he's making.

901
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: Maybe he actually go to Germany and beat the crap

902
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,159
out of the guy or wherever they hold the fight.

903
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,119
Come on out, we'll step stand by. It can't it

904
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:08,559
can't get any crazier, can it?

905
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: Uh?

906
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,039
Speaker 2: Maybe it can. I shouldn't ask.

907
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: That it's boxing.

908
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,199
Speaker 2: Uh, it's boxing. But let's move on to a couple

909
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,119
of other news items.

910
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:17,599
Speaker 3: Don't know, we got the other person, we got the

911
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:18,159
other perse.

912
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,039
Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, yes, and another surprise right yeah.

913
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 3: So they had these both on the same day at

914
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,360
the same hearing in Springfield, New Jersey, and also via

915
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,719
conference call video conference. So remember back in the summer

916
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:34,880
he had the mandatory fight between Jannebec al mccannooley and

917
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,400
his mandatory against the Russian fighter who's based out of

918
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:42,360
Australia who's with No Limit boxing. That was the fight

919
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:47,679
that with this post app with Malakovich where Jannebec you know,

920
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:50,360
was dehydrated, ended up in the hospital a couple of

921
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,960
nights before the fight passed out. You got, you got.

922
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,239
Poor Malakovich has traveled seven thousand miles to come to

923
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,039
the United States for this fight, doesn't get the fight.

924
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,000
They have to cancel the fight, and and Andre Malakovich

925
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:03,360
is just totally shit out of luck. They I guess

926
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,400
Top rank gave him some money to you for the trouble.

927
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,199
But now Janebec announces I'm staying at middle eight. So

928
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,320
now it goes back to a perse bit because they

929
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,320
didn't make a deal, so they do the per spit

930
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,880
and this is like, I mean, I can't say, this

931
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,840
is the closest perspit I've ever seen, but in my

932
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:19,800
in my memory bank, and what you're.

933
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:21,639
Speaker 2: About to say, it can't get much closer.

934
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I mean they could, but it's very rare.

935
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,679
So the winning bid by no limit boxing. So that's

936
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,880
an upset on its own that the challenger wins the

937
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,960
purspit and they're at even more of a disadvantage because

938
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,039
they only get twenty five percent on this perspit and

939
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:38,280
top rank slash Janebek seventy five percent. But the winning

940
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,239
bid was three hundred and fifty one thousand dollars. Top

941
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,559
ranks bid was three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You

942
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,440
do not see per spins that close, and it's just wow.

943
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:53,039
So over one thousand dollars. Most likely janebec is on

944
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,519
his way to Australia to challenge to defend the title

945
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,559
against the mandatory challenger, and you just don't see that

946
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,480
happen when you're talking about perspit for you know, hundreds

947
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,920
of thousands of dollars. I mean, I've seen there's close ones.

948
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,719
I've seen one that have been a few thousand dollars

949
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,039
apart here and there, but a grand on a three

950
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,599
hundred fifet thousand dollars fight. That's, like you said, that's

951
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:12,239
about as close as you're gonna get. I actually kind

952
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,079
of thought to myself, and I don't think this has

953
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:15,519
ever happened that I can think of, Like what would

954
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:17,960
have happened? What's the rule if they both bid three

955
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:20,800
hundred and fifty one thousand, I need to ask the IBF.

956
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 2: If it's a tie, I flip a coin.

957
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,119
Speaker 3: I don't know this time I go to the champion tiger's.

958
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 2: Straws. Do we throw dice? Do we Yeah? I don't know.

959
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,679
Speaker 3: But it goes to show you, though, that both promoters

960
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:37,119
valued the fight in a similar level for what they

961
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:40,079
could generate in terms of television, in terms of sponsors,

962
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:43,039
in terms of tickets, which frankly isn't much because this

963
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,960
is not the most attractive fight because Janebeck is not

964
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,320
a popular champion, and even though Mikalovich is, you know,

965
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,639
maybe a very good fighter and undefeated and good power,

966
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,800
he just doesn't have that worldwide profile. So again, maybe

967
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,599
he wins the fight. I'm not even saying anything bad

968
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:00,840
about him. It just when it comes to name recognition,

969
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,840
it's not the kind of fight that's going to bring

970
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,280
in a huge amount of money. So anyway, so that

971
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,559
was a while Tuesday early afternoon where we got Matthroom

972
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,880
losing in a shocking fashion. This purspid which Jakazi and

973
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,199
for Ennis and then he got no limit with the

974
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,679
challengers promoter winning the perspuit by one thousand dollars. I mean,

975
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,679
if you're into the the business side of box and

976
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,639
that was like a feast from heaven.

977
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:22,559
Speaker 2: How about that?

978
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:23,639
Speaker 4: All right?

979
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: Some more news items quickly. Here WBO has ordered the

980
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,599
mandatory fight between featherweight champ Raphael Espinoza and the former

981
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:37,199
champ robes C Ramirez. Again, Espinoza upset Ramirez. This is

982
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,880
not something though that they haven't been working on. They

983
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,880
have been working on this, trying to make it. It's

984
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,239
just now that the WBO has stepped in and said, okay,

985
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,360
this is the next fight, right correct.

986
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. I mean, like you said, in December

987
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:50,519
of last year, they had the Fight of the Year contender,

988
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:54,159
tremendous battle and obviously Spinoza scored the humongous upset to

989
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:56,599
win the bell from Robasi Ramirez. Remember he came he

990
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:59,960
Rafael Spinoza's twenty five and twenty one knockouts, great record,

991
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,000
and now he's got the title. But going into that

992
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:05,519
first fight against Ramirez, totally unknown right and picked you.

993
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,679
Speaker 2: Know, knocked down early in the fight. People got up

994
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,840
and then put it on Robes Ramirez.

995
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: So so when the fight was over, right away, Top

996
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,599
Ranks plan was we're going to do an immediate rematch.

997
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,480
And they work closely with Zandfer Promotions, which is the

998
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,239
promoter of Espinosa. They've now signed Espinosa to a co

999
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,480
promotion deal with Zandfer and obviously they're the promoter for Ramirez,

1000
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,880
and so they're gonna do the immediate rematch. The Ramirez

1001
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,599
camp was like look or another is The Espinosa camp

1002
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,599
was like, look, we'll do the rematch, but we needed

1003
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:39,800
we want to defend our title first. We want an

1004
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,920
interim title. Obviously he wants a chance to defend it,

1005
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:45,079
get a chance to make a payday, not have as strenuous,

1006
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:47,480
strenuous a fight, I guess. So they gave him that

1007
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:51,360
fight in June, uh and he knocked out Charino pretty easily,

1008
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,599
and while he was getting his interim fight, Robas got

1009
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:56,760
his interim fight and like a week later he went

1010
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,440
out there and he got his own win. And so

1011
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,280
then the plan, as it was expressed me by Top

1012
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,719
Rank all along, was now we're doing the rematch at

1013
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,760
the end of the year, and with the limited number

1014
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,400
of dates on ESPN that get in the fourth quarter

1015
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:11,000
because of college football. Their plan was, and this still

1016
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,119
could happen. They're looking to do the rematch between Emmanuel

1017
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:17,320
Navarette and Oscar Valdez on December seventh. Not done yet,

1018
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,119
but it'll probably be announced in the near future. But

1019
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:21,880
they were going to beef up the show by giving

1020
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,119
you to close out their year a world title doubleheader

1021
00:47:26,159 --> 00:47:29,159
of rematches, but Navarette and Valdez on the card, and

1022
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:31,679
do the rematch with Espinos and Ramerez on the card.

1023
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,440
The problem is, like you said, the WBO ordered yesterday.

1024
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,760
I guess so when we were taking this on Thursday.

1025
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,000
So on Wednesday they order the or the negotiation, and

1026
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:45,440
if they don't make a deal, they'll have a purse

1027
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:48,199
bid for the fight, you know, within a few weeks.

1028
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,559
My understanding is that it's not because Zandfer and Top

1029
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:55,199
Rank can't make a deal. It's not even really about

1030
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,519
Ramirez who desperately wants to rematch to get a chance

1031
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:00,599
to reclaim his title and start having trus closing a

1032
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:03,239
deal with Espinoza, who either doesn't want to do the

1033
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,280
rematch or wants more money. I don't know the particulars,

1034
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,719
so I think that's where the WBO comes in and

1035
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,440
they're like, listen, just get this shit done. So it's

1036
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,480
not as easy as I think top rangon zan Forer

1037
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:15,320
hoped it would have been. But then again, it's a

1038
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,079
boxing business. They'll win of things ever easy.

1039
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: Kind of like parenting you and me, you would little

1040
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:22,239
Ray feel me with the twins. At some point you

1041
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,639
step in and say, I've said three times, pick the

1042
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,400
crap up all the floor in your bedroom.

1043
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: So the bottom line is WBL the wo gave them

1044
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,239
fifteen days from the time of the order on Wednesday

1045
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,239
to make a deal. If they don't make the deal

1046
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,360
within the fifteen days, they'll schedule the purspit. Now either

1047
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,400
side can say I want an immediate perspit and not negotiate,

1048
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,280
which is actually what happened in the IBF situation with

1049
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,400
Chickatzian and Ennis that was ordered a little before the

1050
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,360
deadline because the Chigazian team stepped in and said, fuck it,

1051
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,599
we just want to do the purspid. So I suspect

1052
00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:56,920
that the deal will get done. And by the way,

1053
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,159
if it does get done, that's a pretty damn good

1054
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:00,920
double header. If that's the plan they stick to and

1055
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,639
do both of those rematched title fights on the same

1056
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:06,079
card in December. They're looking to do that somewhere in Arizona.

1057
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:08,000
That'll be a nice way to close out the ear

1058
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:09,079
if they get that all wrapped up.

1059
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: All right, stay tuned on that, all right, We'll move

1060
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,880
quickly through a couple of other things. Wait a minute,

1061
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,079
what is this that the read season promotion and the

1062
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:22,679
upcoming Anthony Joshua Daniel Dubois fight. Turkey Alaschic and the

1063
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:26,320
promotion are saying, we don't need to soak the buying

1064
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,840
public here with a ridiculous pay per view price. They're

1065
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,159
actually being reasonable with a pay per view price. Tell

1066
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:34,519
us a little bit more real quick.

1067
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean, Turkey has been been posting on

1068
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:41,159
his social media and he did one podcast where he

1069
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,440
talked about the cost of boxing. Now they've been charging

1070
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,400
money for their pay per views. They're not cheap. They're

1071
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,840
in that seventy five to eighty five dollars Ranger, so

1072
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,079
that they've done for the Crawford fighting for previous you know,

1073
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:56,039
the Tyson Fury Alexander Sink. There was one show where

1074
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:58,000
they had a very reasonable price where I think they

1075
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:00,239
knocked it down to thirty nine to ninety five. That

1076
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,360
was the Day of Reckoning Card, which kind of was

1077
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,559
a late situation because originally that was going to be

1078
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,960
Ooh Sick against Fury before it got moved to a

1079
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,440
different date. But his perspective is that we know, if

1080
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,119
we're going to do these shows on pay per view,

1081
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,679
we're going to charge a lesser price. That's like his

1082
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,320
new thing, which is you know, he's you know he

1083
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,679
can do that because it's their product. So Anthony Joshua

1084
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,679
against what obviously in the United States is not a

1085
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:25,199
mega fight. But what they're doing is they're only charging

1086
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:27,159
twenty bucks for it nineteen ninety nine, and that's if

1087
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:29,519
you buy it on PPV dot com, if you buy

1088
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:32,519
it on your linear television through in demand, which is

1089
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,679
so the same company that owns PPV dot com, if

1090
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:38,679
you buy it on his own pay per view, but

1091
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,199
they also reduced the price in the UK, where it's

1092
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,800
I guess nineteen ninety nine pounds, which is cheaper than

1093
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,000
your average Anthony Joshua fight. So for them, they're getting

1094
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,639
it at a real discount based on what the beginning before.

1095
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:51,519
And if this is you know, a new sort of

1096
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:54,639
way of doing things from them, you know that'd be tremendous. Now,

1097
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:56,199
I don't know what they're planning to do in terms

1098
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,079
of how they're going to price the pay per view

1099
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:00,960
portion in the United State of the better be of

1100
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,199
and b VOW card, or what the rest of the

1101
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:04,559
world is going to pay for it, or how they're

1102
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:08,280
going to price the rematch with Tyson Fury and Alexander

1103
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:09,159
you can you.

1104
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:11,079
Speaker 2: Can bet that Fury and Usik is not going to

1105
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:13,039
be nineteen ninety five us. I don't know what it's

1106
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:13,559
gonna be, but.

1107
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,079
Speaker 3: It's gonna I don't know that. I mean, I'm not

1108
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,719
gonna put anything past Turkey. If he decides he wants

1109
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,960
to charge less for it, he can charge less for it.

1110
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,840
But I just know this as a die hard boxing

1111
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,880
junkie fan and longtime pay per view consumer who's bought

1112
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,199
thousands of dollars worth of pay per views in my life.

1113
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:32,199
For them to offer the Joshua Duba fight and that

1114
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,800
car is a good car too. I know it's British centric,

1115
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,480
but if you're a junkie like me, you know, I

1116
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,079
don't care if it's a British fights or American fights

1117
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,599
or what have you. Twenty bucks for that card is

1118
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:43,880
definitely worth it in my mind. So I think that's

1119
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,360
tremendous value, and I'm glad to see that he's doing that.

1120
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,599
I hope that it keeps up. Now. In a perfect world,

1121
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:50,440
they just won't be pay per view at all, obviously,

1122
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,599
but I live in the real world and I understand

1123
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:54,880
that these events, a lot of them are pay per view.

1124
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,159
He's been saying on his social that he's been talking

1125
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:00,360
to Oscar. They're trying to plan some kind of Latin

1126
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,119
version Riad season card where he's talking about not doing

1127
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:05,679
it on pay per view at all and just offering

1128
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,760
it to any network or channel that wants to pick

1129
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,119
up the broadcast or the feed. That's a fight where

1130
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,480
they're looking to do. You know, these are this is

1131
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,639
still a work in progress to take place later the year.

1132
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,079
The Hosing Ramirez ar a Barboza fight, another fight that's

1133
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:21,119
being heavily discussed that I think will probably end up

1134
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:25,320
getting made. Maybe is the unification in the cruiserweight division

1135
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,199
between Zero Ramirez and Chris Billum Smith. We'll see about that.

1136
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:32,719
The WBA put out a thing today about how the

1137
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,960
time frame for the order for Zero to make a

1138
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,280
deal for his Mandador against Dordikos had been that they

1139
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:40,880
had canceled the first bid because there was a deal.

1140
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,639
They're going to put out some particulars. I'm assuming they're

1141
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:45,960
going to step aside and allow Zero to do the

1142
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:48,280
Chris billam Smith fight. Bill and Smith's been doing interviews

1143
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,360
on his home broadcaster in the UK on Sky talking

1144
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,199
about that fight. So that's not really a pay per viewfight,

1145
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,800
I don't think. But if they can do that kind

1146
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,400
of show, with those kinds of quality fights, you did

1147
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,559
me a double header plus whatever, I say, my dad,

1148
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:03,079
and you're talking about a unification with Zerdo and Bill

1149
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:05,599
and Smith and go by the way Ramirez against Barmosa,

1150
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,639
I mean, and I don't have to pay anything extra

1151
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:09,599
for it. That's the way it's supposed to be, and

1152
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,639
that's a good thing. So if Turkey has seen the light,

1153
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,800
you know, I'm happy to hear that, happy to see that.

1154
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,039
Speaker 2: And again, you know math all right, how appealing is

1155
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:21,840
an Anthony Joshua what Daniel Dubois fight in the United States.

1156
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,199
We'll just go over this real quick. And we both

1157
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,239
went to public school. I don't know that that fight

1158
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,360
would do one hundred thousand pay per view buys. Maybe

1159
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,360
it would if you were pricing it at like fifty

1160
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,480
nine to ninety five sixty bucks, so sixty times one

1161
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:36,519
hundred thousand would be six hundred grand. Right that you

1162
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:38,400
would make from that, if I have my math correct.

1163
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,480
But now you knock it down to twenty bucks and

1164
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:44,039
make it more appealing, and let's say a whole bunch

1165
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:47,119
more people four hundred thousand in Europe in the United

1166
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:50,199
States say that's a better price. That's eight hundred grand.

1167
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 3: I mean more people are going to buy it in

1168
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:52,800
the UK at that price.

1169
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 2: I mean I would agree.

1170
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: But here's the thing about it, though, when you when

1171
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,519
you price an event like that for somebody that actually

1172
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:00,800
is interested, where they would even consider stealing it, let's

1173
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,039
say at twenty bucks, like your your motivation is stealed

1174
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:09,480
is less. Now compare that to Canelo against Berlanga. That

1175
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:11,440
pay per view is eighty nine to ninety five.

1176
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:12,039
Speaker 2: That's right.

1177
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: Once you reach a certain level. On the price point

1178
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,679
you're more. I mean, I don't do this because it's

1179
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,000
like I sleep an I buy my pay per views.

1180
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:24,639
But I get it that you're it's almost like you're

1181
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:28,119
insulted that they charge that much, even though they're trying

1182
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:30,320
to cover their cost and make sure they don't lose money. Because,

1183
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,760
believe me, the fight between Canelo and Berlanga, PBC and

1184
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,159
everybody involved, they got a lot at risk in terms

1185
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:39,079
of the finances. But that's not our problem. If you

1186
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:41,599
price a pay per view at ninety dollars, it's going

1187
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:43,840
to be a lot easier for somebody to, in their mind,

1188
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,440
I believe, justify stealing the signal if you're pricing at

1189
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,000
twenty bucks and that's like I can pay twenty bucks,

1190
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:52,679
what's the best under big difference. So we'll see how

1191
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:54,039
that works out for them. I hope that this is

1192
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,159
the beginning of a trend where they're trying to do

1193
00:54:57,199 --> 00:54:58,960
this now. It can also some people might say it's

1194
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,280
like it's another element of their trying to disrupt the

1195
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,239
pay per view model to hurt other promoters potentially who

1196
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,360
price their events at a higher level. I'm not saying

1197
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,639
that's the case, I can understand why somebody might look

1198
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:12,880
at it and see it that way. All I know

1199
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:16,559
is this September twenty first, I'm watching Joshua Duboi and

1200
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:19,039
instead of costing me sixty seventy eighty bucks, it's gonna

1201
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:20,800
cost me twenty and I'm happy about that.

1202
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: Like that, all right? A couple of more items here

1203
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,079
we already knew, but now they've made both of these officially.

1204
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:29,559
You've been reporting on the Kishon Davis one recently, but

1205
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:33,679
now it's official. First for the IBF Junior middleweight title,

1206
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,960
Bakram and Tim Zu officially announced by Premiere Boxing Champions

1207
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,079
October nineteenth in my part of the world in Orlando

1208
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:43,760
in Central Florida, about an hour and a half from me,

1209
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,000
and that is still slated to be the first non

1210
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:51,480
pay per view for this new deal PBC on Prime,

1211
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:54,159
taking them all the way to October, taking them ten

1212
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:56,519
months into the year to do one of these. And

1213
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:59,679
Top Rank did officially announce the Kishan Davis fight with

1214
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,719
Cause Davo Limo that you were talking about on the

1215
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,599
Recap podcast for November eighth. So give me a little

1216
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:06,039
more on both of these being official real.

1217
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:07,679
Speaker 3: Quick, Well, I'm thrilled that they're going to do a

1218
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,079
non pay per view on UH Prime, which you know

1219
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:11,760
we've as you said, we've discussed this, but this is

1220
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,199
a good matchup. So Zoo's coming off the loss Andndora

1221
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,039
with that terrible laceration on his scalp. He's now healed

1222
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:19,039
and ready to go. He's been training in Las Vegas.

1223
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:21,519
They announced the fight. Finally they made this fight between

1224
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:25,440
PBC and TGB and Bachraum's promotion, which his main events. Uh,

1225
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,119
they didn't even go to the deadline of the Persmit.

1226
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:28,880
I think they cut the deal, you know, a few

1227
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,000
days before the Persman was even scheduled to happen. So

1228
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,159
they get on well with each other, and everybody kind

1229
00:56:33,159 --> 00:56:35,679
of understood the numbers, and so Zoo's coming back to

1230
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:37,599
fight in America. They'll fight this fight at the Carib

1231
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,360
Royale in Orlando, which has become somewhat of a hot

1232
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,320
dead for a box and they've done prospect shows there.

1233
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:49,280
You saw Jake Paul fought there. We've seen Erlan earlier, right,

1234
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:51,400
So they've had a number of fights over the last

1235
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,320
couple of years there. And uh, I know Bakram Mertaziliev,

1236
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:56,840
who is going to be making his first defense of

1237
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,920
the IBF Junior Middleway title, is not a well known fighter,

1238
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:01,920
but if you take five minutes and go find him

1239
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,679
on YouTube or watch when he won the title against

1240
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,800
Jack Coulka or any of the other fights he's been

1241
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,320
on other PBC undercards which were part of the step

1242
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,000
aside deals they did when Charlo was champion. He's a

1243
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:14,000
good fighter, he's well schooled, he's a good puncher, he

1244
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:15,840
seems to have a good chin. I believe this is

1245
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,679
going to be a very very entertaining fight, and so

1246
00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:19,239
that's the main event. They're going to add some other

1247
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,760
fights to the undercard and it'll be I think, a

1248
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,960
good show where it's not gonna cost you pay per

1249
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:26,559
view money, which is a good thing, as we've been

1250
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:28,400
talking about. And in terms of the other fight you

1251
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,400
mentioned with Top Rank. They announced this card. They actually

1252
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,039
had a press conference indoor for Virginia on Thursday to

1253
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:37,239
talk to the local folks there, the newspapers and media

1254
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,400
and everything. And he'll have his first ever hometown fight

1255
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,559
as a professional, his first main event on ESPN. Actually,

1256
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,199
this will be an ESPN Plus only card where he

1257
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:50,760
fights Gustavo Lemos from Argentina, who's going to be dropping

1258
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,119
down back to lightweight. Remember in his last fight, we

1259
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:56,800
Moos had a decision loss against Richardson Hitchins in an

1260
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,199
IBF one hundred and forty pound eliminator. But now he's

1261
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:01,440
coming back to one hundred and thirty five pounds to

1262
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,280
fight Keishon Davis. This is a real fight. In my mind,

1263
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,440
Limos is probably the I don't think probably. I think

1264
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,960
he's definitely the best guy that Kishon Davis while at

1265
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,920
faced and they're gonna put it on in front of

1266
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,199
the hometown, and you know it's gonna be like a

1267
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:14,840
family affair because his older brother, Calvin Davis, who's a

1268
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,719
thirteen and oh up and comer in his own right

1269
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:19,559
in the junior welterweight division, he's gonna fight on this card,

1270
00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:22,480
and their younger brother, Keon Davis, who was the twenty

1271
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:26,000
twenty three Olympic Trials champion who didn't actually go to

1272
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:27,880
the Olympics but won the trials, He's going to make

1273
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,119
his professional debut in the welterweight division in this card.

1274
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:33,239
So you got three of the Davis brothers fighting all together,

1275
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:37,360
and they also are made official. They're gonna have Brian

1276
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,760
Norman and the defense we've talked about against Darick Wavis

1277
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,320
as the co feature on this card. So there's your

1278
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,360
there's your November eighth ESPN Plus card. And the question

1279
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,800
is what happens with the boutenants because he was supposed

1280
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,800
to fight November ninth against whatever the opponent they were

1281
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,719
going to find Chikaze or Ennis or whatever I mean,

1282
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:59,639
or the unification with Norman, and now we'll see what

1283
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:02,159
the germ is doing scheduling in that fight. But Brian

1284
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:05,400
Norman's on the eighth and the Davis family will be

1285
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:06,519
on the card as well.

1286
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: And one other item, Boxer has announced that Adam Mazin

1287
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:14,719
is going to be back in October against Ohara Davies.

1288
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,840
This is kind of an intriguing junior welterweight clash as well,

1289
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,679
and we can see it in the United States right.

1290
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like all the Boxer cards, they're on Peacock simulcast

1291
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:26,119
of the Sky broadcast, which is cool if you have Peacock.

1292
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:28,440
They don't. It's not even like they use the international

1293
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,079
broadcast or they take different announcers. They literally just show

1294
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,239
the exact same broadcast that if you were sitting in

1295
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:36,400
your place in London and watching on Sky Sports, you

1296
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,159
see the same thing. So I dig that. So as

1297
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:40,039
Deem is like one of my favorite prospects. He's eleven

1298
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,400
to zero, eight knockouts, really fast rising guy. Won the

1299
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,960
European title very quickly ended up dacating that title. Was

1300
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:49,000
so they had announced in the ring after one of

1301
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,320
the previous boxer cards that he was going to fight

1302
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,639
Harlem you Bank, who was the nephew of Chris U

1303
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:58,039
Bank Senior, the cousin of Chris hu Bank Junior, and

1304
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,599
that was like a pretty interesting fight. And then Zeem

1305
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:02,519
got injured and they never rescheduled the fight, and I

1306
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:04,119
was kind of like wondering where is he is. He's

1307
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:07,039
only had one fight this year. And then suddenly in

1308
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:08,719
the last couple of days, the rumors were there that

1309
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,519
he's gonna fight Davies on this date and so now

1310
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:13,960
it's done. They announced the fight October nineteenth and the

1311
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,159
Copper Box Arena in London, a Zem against Davies. Now Davies,

1312
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,920
who's been a pretty good pro It's coming off though,

1313
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,840
an absolutely horrendous loss where he got knocked out in

1314
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,519
the first round. And it wasn't even just that he

1315
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:28,079
got knocked out in the first round. He didn't even

1316
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:30,360
really compete in the fight. It was just just a

1317
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,079
really bad, like as bad a night at the opposit

1318
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:34,559
you can get. They had a lot of hype about it.

1319
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:37,000
He was fighting first his first fight since he had

1320
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:40,639
signed with Golden Boy, against the old man Ishmael Baroso

1321
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:43,480
for the interim title, who by the way, Barroso lost

1322
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,840
and got stopped on the under part of the Naway

1323
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,000
fight the other day. But anyway, Davies. Yeah, so Davies

1324
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:51,679
is coming back, and even though he's coming off that

1325
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,519
horrible one round knockout loss for a zeem, it's still

1326
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:56,480
the most credible sort of name, I guess on his

1327
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,840
record as they try to build up the young fighter.

1328
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:00,880
And so, yeah, that was announced. That's sort of a

1329
01:01:01,679 --> 01:01:04,239
I'm mildly interest in that because I like Azeeman. You know,

1330
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:06,519
we'll see if Davies has enough inside his.

1331
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,719
Speaker 2: Heart that Davies earlier was the Davy's loss earlier this

1332
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,519
year or late last year, whatever, It was all time

1333
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:15,400
excuse making where he claimed that the noise in the

1334
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,519
casino disrupted his sleep and the oxygen is different in

1335
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:23,760
casinos than it is in other hotels, and the dog

1336
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:24,920
ate my homework.

1337
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 3: That loss was in January.

1338
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 2: In January, and he's still blaming like the made service

1339
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:34,079
for the reason why he got was not a good look,

1340
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,480
not a good night, all right. So Azem will be

1341
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:40,039
back with Ohara Davies in October nostalgia time before we

1342
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:43,679
are done on this year podcast. So it was twenty

1343
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:47,599
seven years ago, twenty seven years ago. On Friday, September

1344
01:01:47,679 --> 01:01:51,840
sixth of ninety seven, Eric Morales KOed fellow Hall of

1345
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,800
Famer and Mexican great Daniel Ziagozo. Of course we talked

1346
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,440
about Morales and his birthday this past weekend, but he

1347
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,000
he won the WBC Junior Featherweight title twenty seven years

1348
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,880
ago Friday. As we released the pod, Morales's first world title,

1349
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:10,239
Dan Rayfield, tell me a little more, listen.

1350
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,079
Speaker 3: Morales was a highly touted up and coming guy at

1351
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:15,960
that time, rising the ranks. No one really knew how

1352
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,280
good he was yet. He was twenty six and oh

1353
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,239
going into this fight, but he hadn't really ever fought

1354
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,639
anybody at this point. And Zara Gohosa he was old,

1355
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,679
but he was an all time warrior, you know, longtime

1356
01:02:26,719 --> 01:02:28,519
champion in the one hundred and twenty two pounds division.

1357
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,519
Just a really rock solid kind of fighter. Big heart

1358
01:02:31,719 --> 01:02:34,840
had been in some great wars. And the question was,

1359
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,320
like we see lots of times of boxing. Is it

1360
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,960
going to be the old veteran and you know, take

1361
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,000
the new kid to school or is the young guy

1362
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,840
going to be a little bit too much and take

1363
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,079
care in because, like I said, the resume that Morales

1364
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:50,159
had prior to this going into this fight was extremely,

1365
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:52,559
extremely limited. So we had a great looking record, but

1366
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:54,280
he didn't know if he could fight. And Zara Gohsa

1367
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,519
we knew great chin, you know, good power, like just

1368
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,440
a just a tremendous fighter. And you know what, it

1369
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,800
was a tough fight. It was a close fight, but

1370
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,119
in the end, it was that power and that youth

1371
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:08,159
and that you know desire that just wore the old

1372
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,679
man down. And I mean the scene when he stopped

1373
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:12,719
and he landed like a beautiful shot right to the

1374
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,199
pit of Zara Goos's stomach and he went down and

1375
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:17,599
he was sitting on his on his rear end had

1376
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:20,119
his like arms kind of around his knees. It was

1377
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:22,400
very reminiscent of the scene if you remember the way

1378
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,800
that Argueyo looked when he got knocked out by Aaron

1379
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,639
Pryor in the rematch. Similar when Morales himself got knocked

1380
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:31,400
out in the third round by Manny Packett in their

1381
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,519
third fight, where he was the older man at that point,

1382
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,519
and he just like, you know what, I can't, I'm done,

1383
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:37,960
Like you know, the guy's got too much, and he

1384
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,559
kind of waved his his his glove at Morales. I

1385
01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:43,559
felt like that was a way he was giving him props,

1386
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:46,000
like you'd got me, kid, you know, you know, passing

1387
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,480
of the torch kind of situation. And uh, you know,

1388
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:50,159
zarag Ghoson was a great champion at that time. He

1389
01:03:50,199 --> 01:03:52,679
was defending that title. He'd won the title more than once.

1390
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:55,760
He was defending it for the fifth time. And that's

1391
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,000
all she wrote. And Daniel Zaragosa never fought again. He

1392
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:01,000
retired after that fight. He's in the all of time now.

1393
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:02,880
You don't look, no, I don't think most people if

1394
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,559
you were making your list of like the top ten

1395
01:04:04,679 --> 01:04:07,320
or twelve all time great Mexican fighters, you know we've

1396
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:13,400
discussed that before, whether it's Chavez or Canelo or Sanchez, Breer, Morales, Marquez, Oliveries.

1397
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,119
You know, Miguel Canto, you gone down the list. Zaraghosa

1398
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:20,800
may not be in that elite, elite, elite echelon, but

1399
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,559
he's in the next group right behind those guys that

1400
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he was a really class fighter for many years. And

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for Morales to get his first title, and to do

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01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,679
it by beating that caliber of fighter, that kind of

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01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:35,920
launched Morales into what became his own all time great career.

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But you didn't know it at the time. And that

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01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:39,559
was by the way, you know, we missed this broadcast.

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01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,320
That was a live fight on the old HBO Boxing

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01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,519
After Dark series, which I miss every day of my life.

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And this was a tremendous battle on that series. All right.

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Speaker 2: So you back up one year nineteen ninety six to Saturday,

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01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,159
September seventh of ninety six, which is now twenty eight

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01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:58,679
years ago, and I remember this one and it's for

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01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:02,840
the dubious reason of Mike Tyson's alleged knockout of Bruce

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01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,039
Selden to get the WBA heavyweight title. I say alleged

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01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:09,159
because to this day he did not hit him with

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01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:13,480
a legitimate punch. It was like a deflection off the shoulder,

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01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,239
And do I not I've not rewatched this because why

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01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:18,920
would I? But do I not remember the crowd chanting

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01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:22,000
fix Fix Fix in this fight? I think they were

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01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:25,480
that night. Remember this is Tyson just out of the

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01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:29,559
Pokey the year before accumulating another world title, the WBA

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01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:30,239
world title.

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01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 3: So let's put that in.

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01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: And Bruce Seldon looked like a guy that had robbed

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01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,760
a bank standing there, had not been heard, had not

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01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,840
been injured, And they showed the replay from a couple

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01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,760
of ankles. He didn't get hit right, feel.

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01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:44,519
Speaker 3: They get showed the replay upside down, inside out, in

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black and white, in color. It doesn't matter. You're not

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01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,400
going to see a great punch. Keep in mind Tyson had,

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like you said, he'd gone away to prison for the

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01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:54,880
rape conviction. He comes out of prison after being out

1432
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,719
of the reno. He had fought Razor Roddick in the

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01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,000
rematch and and June of ninety one, was in prison,

1434
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,840
comes out, has his first fight post prison against Peter

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01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,920
McNeely in August of ninety five, then wipes out Buster

1436
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:10,599
Mathis Junior in three rounds later in ninety five, then

1437
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:13,079
gets the chance to fight Frank Bruno in the rematch

1438
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,760
who Frank crew had won the WBC title from Oliver McCall.

1439
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:19,119
And they go to Las Vegas and Mike Tyson once

1440
01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:21,719
again knocks out Frank Bruno in the third round in

1441
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,239
the WBC title fight. He then blatantly ducked the mandatory

1442
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:30,159
against Lennox Lewis, paid Lennox Lewis millions of dollars to

1443
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:33,599
not fight him, ended up not defending title anyway, and

1444
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:36,199
gave up the WBC title and then challenged Bruce Seldon

1445
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:39,159
for the WBA title. WBA title was at stake in

1446
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:42,119
this fight. Selden came in with that belt and about

1447
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,800
one minute and forty nine seconds left without it, because

1448
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,239
as you said, there was no real punch thrown. You

1449
01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:50,760
want to talk about fighters, and this is the epitome

1450
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,280
they talk about. When Tyson was fighting fighters, they were

1451
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:54,960
beat before they even got to the ring because now

1452
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:59,519
petrified of the of the persona of Mike Tyson, Bruce

1453
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:02,159
Seldon lived up or down if you will, to every

1454
01:07:02,159 --> 01:07:04,800
element of that particular thing. And Bruce Selden was a

1455
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,639
physically gifted guy, was a great condition. Making his second

1456
01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:10,800
title defense, I mean I don't think anybody thought he

1457
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,679
was gonna beat Tyson, But I also don't think that,

1458
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:15,039
you know, going in, it didn't seem like he's gonna

1459
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,000
go out, and he was a huge underdog, like twenty

1460
01:07:17,079 --> 01:07:18,960
to one or something like that, but that, yeah, he

1461
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,400
should be able to make it out of the first round,

1462
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:21,880
even though lots of guys have been knocked out by

1463
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,000
round one. But this was such a horrible outcome. It

1464
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:29,000
was such a blatant, nonsensical result the way that it ended,

1465
01:07:29,159 --> 01:07:31,320
as you said, people yelling fixed. There was like a

1466
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,679
national movement about anti pay per view because this was

1467
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:37,280
a mega pay per view event that drew you know,

1468
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,239
over a million pay per view buys, and everybody felt

1469
01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:43,800
like they had been ripped off because nothing it was

1470
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,960
the god was Look, I think we all understand that

1471
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,719
there's a first round knockout, it happens, it's box, but

1472
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:52,239
when it's so dubious, people are going to complain because

1473
01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:55,360
they've spent real money to watch down anything.

1474
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: When Tyson annihilated Michael Spinks, it was a no doubt knockdown.

1475
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:03,000
You could have counted to seventeen and Michael six wasn't

1476
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,519
going to beat the count this was not that. This

1477
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,000
was wait a minute, was that a punch? And then

1478
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:12,239
he's counted out after it's over with. So I can

1479
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:16,800
understand where to this day people are still dubious people.

1480
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,520
Speaker 3: Every time there's a fight that looks like it's fixed

1481
01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:22,039
or where there's a dubious knock like this, you still

1482
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:26,159
hear people reference Bruce Selden in that fight, and it's

1483
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,119
you know, it's unfortunate because Bruce Shelden, for you know,

1484
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,960
his entire everything he may have ever done. Now, he

1485
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,199
wasn't a great heavyweight, but you know, he was a good,

1486
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:36,319
solid contender for a long time. He did win a belt,

1487
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,680
but everything about his career boils down to you know,

1488
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,920
you threw the took a dive against Mike Tyson where

1489
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,760
you got hit on the shoulder, and that takes away

1490
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,800
from Tyson also because I don't need to doubt Tyson.

1491
01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:49,159
You know, if he if he was able to continue

1492
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:50,960
the fight, Yeah.

1493
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 2: If he beats the count and they waved Tyson in,

1494
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,119
I guarantee, guarantee, he would have landed something to the head.

1495
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:58,199
And that's what Bruce Selden knew too, by the way.

1496
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,399
Speaker 3: Right, So that's why this was so so Tyson made

1497
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,520
like fifteen million dollars for the lightest night ever, and

1498
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,640
even Bruce Seldyn pathetically got five million bucks to basically

1499
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:09,239
lay down.

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01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: I do not remember. We don't have to go on,

1501
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:12,640
We don't have to go on for the ten minutes.

1502
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,199
Was there an investigation by the Nevada Commission? Did they

1503
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,199
threaten to hold part of his money or his money

1504
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:19,800
or what? Do we remember? Not really, not really.

1505
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 3: I mean this is a little before my time of

1506
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,920
covering box, and although I remember watching this, I don't

1507
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:28,560
remember if there was any real, actual, like like you said, investigation.

1508
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,760
I think it was more like I can't believe this happened.

1509
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,520
We're all mad. I'm not sure what we can do

1510
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,560
about it. And I mean, probably probably more famous than

1511
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,680
the fight itself was. I mean, just to put it

1512
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,680
in historical perspective, it was after this fight that Tupacs

1513
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,319
Corps had attended. I was that he was shot later

1514
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:45,960
in Las Vegas.

1515
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,159
Speaker 2: I was just coming there that that was later that

1516
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:51,600
night that Tupac was murdered in the middle of an

1517
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,119
intersection not far from where they fought the fight. So

1518
01:09:55,239 --> 01:09:57,680
that is much more noteworthy than Bruce Selden, and by

1519
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,800
and by the way, it was only two months later

1520
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:02,600
that Tyson is in the ring in November of ninety

1521
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,119
six with the vander Holyfield. Because it was a non

1522
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:07,199
fight with Selden, he could just turn right around a

1523
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:08,520
couple months later and fight that was.

1524
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 3: That was the one silver lining, if you will, is

1525
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,479
that finally and that's what they named the fight finally

1526
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:18,680
that once Tyson had won this belt, they had put

1527
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,840
together the rematch, or not the rematch rather but put

1528
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,159
together the fight with with the vander Holyfield, which the

1529
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:27,720
world that wanted to see for a long time, and

1530
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,479
Don King had seen how bad Evander Holyfield that looked

1531
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,680
in the fight against Ray against Bobby Chez that they

1532
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,039
finally decided to feed him to Tyson and look what happened.

1533
01:10:38,039 --> 01:10:40,520
We saw one of the greatest fights and upsets he'll

1534
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,760
see in boxing. Love it All with the if Bruce Sheldon.

1535
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:45,640
It laid down in one.

1536
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 2: Though probably not in that time frame. You've got a bunch,

1537
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,920
You've had a bunch here on this weekend preview podcast

1538
01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:55,119
recapping the Naia in a Way Win, we gave you

1539
01:10:55,119 --> 01:10:57,279
a little preview of that title fight the Strawway title

1540
01:10:57,279 --> 01:11:00,479
fight in Australia. You heard from Canelo Alvarez. Why don't

1541
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,920
you and I reconvene for the bet Us Boxing Show.

1542
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,399
We will talk a little about the Sam Noakes lightweight

1543
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,359
European lightweight title fight that will be Friday night. We'll

1544
01:11:09,359 --> 01:11:11,560
talk a little more from the handicapping perspective on this.

1545
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,960
What did you say, fresh Mart? What did you say?

1546
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:15,239
Speaker 4: C J?

1547
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: Freshmart?

1548
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:16,399
Speaker 3: Is the.

1549
01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:19,399
Speaker 2: Get the sponsor right for me?

1550
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: DP, fresh Mark, BP fresh March all right, st CP,

1551
01:11:23,359 --> 01:11:26,800
c PP fresh Mark fresh Mark, and we better the

1552
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,359
tie champion, the tie champions fresh Mark. Rayphiel has all

1553
01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:30,840
the info.

1554
01:11:32,039 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 2: We will handicap those fights one pm Eastern Time Friday

1555
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:36,760
on the bet Us platforms.

1556
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 3: No relation to the Fresh Prince.

1557
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:43,159
Speaker 2: Correct or k Mart or any other March save Mark Walmart.

1558
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:47,399
But in any event, we'll see each other on that

1559
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,199
bet Us show live questions from the audience, and I'm

1560
01:11:50,199 --> 01:11:53,079
sure we'll get some about Canelo fight week et cetera.

1561
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,920
And then off the weekend you and I will get

1562
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,119
creative with the fight freaks, shoot night recap with whatever happened.

1563
01:11:59,119 --> 01:12:01,199
Maybe there's an upset here again if the win would

1564
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:04,920
Guy in Australia wins. He's the fastest Australian to ever

1565
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,359
win a world title. Now we got a story. Now

1566
01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:08,880
we got something to recap there. That's the case. Let's

1567
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,159
see what happens with that. In the meantime, have a

1568
01:12:11,159 --> 01:12:14,760
good weekend, Dan Rayfield. Always appreciate the insight. Nice hustle

1569
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,920
with Canelo Alvarez. Thank you, sir, all Right. In the

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01:12:18,199 --> 01:12:21,279
US show, there is our insider Fight for United is

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01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:23,800
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01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,840
Twice a weekend preview going into the weekend. Recap off

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01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,800
the weekend for Dan Rayfield. I'm TJ Reeves. It's the

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