WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:08.000 Oh he is, folks, it should die. 2 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:10.599 People say good money to see this movie. 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:13.560 When they go out to a theater, they want cold sodas, 4 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:15.960 hot popcorn and no monsters. 5 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:19.199 In the protection booth, everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 6 00:00:20.280 --> 00:00:20.879 Let it off? 7 00:00:52.960 --> 00:01:01.039 Can I go, mam. 8 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:03.719 We know. 9 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:16.159 I call it do say content, But sino choi. 10 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:22.959 So sulak Richard with all their day man that gentle 11 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:29.200 gerd Melopo confirm ariga melo com ferman to day. 12 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:34.519 The man on army say on quando site. 13 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:41.680 Many start domanicolosi. 14 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:46.920 A party called let me shut shut. 15 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:53.760 Sh sh sh. 16 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.680 Sh Is that metable the amount? 17 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:00.920 Tran's a not human geno? 18 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:05.280 Yes, last you don't know. 19 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:26.800 Loscase So to say the daughter journey the temple stem 20 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:27.719 A case. 21 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:31.159 Came rigost degree. 22 00:02:31.680 --> 00:03:09.319 Crepy satis dominic at non prie said do meta. 23 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:12.560 Branches cut. 24 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:15.400 At telaphe. 25 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:21.080 Cal calder. 26 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:37.360 Rizo and Mario ara Qui primo coz. 27 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:54.800 Welcome to the Projection Booth. I'm your host, Mike White, 28 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:59.319 join me once again as mister Jenedi airs inform. Also 29 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:03.719 back in the book this mister Ryan Luis Rodriguez, we 30 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:07.400 continue a month of Patreon request with one from Pat Radkey. 31 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:11.719 Blood and Diamonds written and directed by Fernando de Leo, 32 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:16.319 the film stars Claudio Cassanielli as Guido Mari, who, after 33 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:19.040 being arrested and sent to prison for five years, gets 34 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:22.240 out and swears vengeance against those he thinks wronged him, 35 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:26.240 carving a bloody path through those he once considered to 36 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:29.519 be his friends and allies. We will be spoiling this 37 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:31.279 film as we go along, so if you don't want 38 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.319 anything ruined, please turn off the podcast and come back 39 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:37.879 after you've seen that. We will still be here. So, Jenediah, 40 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:40.079 when was the first time you saw Blood and Diamonds 41 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:41.079 and what did you think? 42 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:47.879 I saw it twenty eighteen. According to my Letterbucks at Cow. 43 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:51.240 It was a couple of years after I first saw 44 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:57.040 any Police Stachy movies, and specifically Fernando de Leo films, 45 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:02.040 and I think it was the the great old streaming 46 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:06.680 service film Struck had, I think a Fernando de Lio selection, 47 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:11.240 and I really loved those, and this was not part 48 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:13.399 of that collection, apparently because it wasn't until a couple 49 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:14.120 of years later. 50 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:14.360 I saw this. 51 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:17.560 But by the time I saw it, it was not 52 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:18.319 my favorite. 53 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:19.040 De Leo. 54 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.240 I think the impact of the first ones I saw, 55 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:28.199 especially Milan Caliber nine, really really blew me away. And 56 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:32.360 I liked Blood and Diamonds right away, but it wasn't 57 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:35.399 particularly special to me. But I gotta say revisiting it 58 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:38.600 for this podcast, it's become one of my favorites. I 59 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.879 really enjoy it for probably a lot of the same 60 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:45.560 reasons you guys do that I'll wait to get into. 61 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:47.399 And Ryan, how about yourself. 62 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:52.360 Similar to Jedediah, I've been aware of de Leo for years. 63 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:56.079 A Criterion Channel in twenty twenty three had a big 64 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:59.399 selection of his just like I mean, the former owners 65 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:03.480 of Film Strung. They had Caliber nine, The Italian Connection, 66 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:06.959 The Boss, and Shoot First, Die Later, and I had 67 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:09.120 heard of Blood and Diamonds, but it was not part 68 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.079 of that collection. So the first time I actually watched 69 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.680 it was two days ago, and I only picked it 70 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:19.600 because when you were soliciting guests for this season, it 71 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:21.319 was one of the ones that had an empty box 72 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:23.040 next to it, so I was like, oh, yeah, I'll 73 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:25.360 just put my money in there, and then I realized, 74 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:28.759 after maybe an hour later, like, oh, that's a Delayo 75 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:32.519 film that'll fill a hole in my knowledge, and now 76 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:34.879 I have it, so thank you for doing that. 77 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:35.560 Well. 78 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.639 I appreciate that you are willing to take a shot 79 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:40.519 on a movie that you don't even know what it is, 80 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:42.920 so not everybody's like that. 81 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:45.079 It couldn't be worse than Red Lights. 82 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.879 This was also a pretty new film for me. I 83 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:50.959 have a massive blind spot when it comes to a 84 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:55.759 lot of Italian films, especially these Pelicio Tetsi films. I 85 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:01.480 remember speaking with Mike Molloy, euro crime documentary director Mike 86 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:05.800 Malloy back long time ago. We talked about The Italian Connection, 87 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:09.240 which I think is also a Delo film, And yeah, 88 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.800 I just haven't seen that many of these movies. I 89 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:15.800 have seen a lot more Spaghetti Westerns than I've seen 90 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:19.040 these kinds of movies. And I think I've seen more 91 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:23.319 French Policiers or French noirs than I have any of 92 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.120 these things. So it's a very brave new world for me. 93 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:30.360 And then when I was trying to listen to the commentary, 94 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:32.240 and I think we'll talk about the commentary a little 95 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.120 bit later, I mean, pretty much the whole commentary is 96 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:39.319 just these two yahoos just dropping names of other films 97 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.120 the entire time, so it's like, oh, and then this 98 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:43.920 is like this, and this is like this, and this 99 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:45.959 is like this. I'm like, could you maybe talk about 100 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.600 the movie that you're actually supposed to be talking about. 101 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:50.759 But anyway, made a big list of all these other 102 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.800 movies and I tried watching some of those. I didn't 103 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:56.360 have the most successful time. But it sounds like this 104 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:02.480 movie is in conversation with earlier delio, which is Milan 105 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:06.160 Caliber nine or Caliber nine. And they almost call this 106 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:10.519 Rome caliber nine, so almost like a follow up movie. 107 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.560 But it sounds like this movie starts almost the exact 108 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:17.839 same way that the other one ends. So I did 109 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:21.959 watch a little bit of Caliber nine, but I cannot say, oh, yeah, 110 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:24.759 this is a natural bookend for the other film. 111 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:29.800 Yeah, I didn't make that connection whatsoever. But I also 112 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:33.240 want to add that Eurocrime is an outstanding documentary if 113 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:36.279 you want to know more about this sub genre. It's 114 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:38.960 always streaming somewhere. I don't know where it is at 115 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:41.559 the moment, but I've seen it at least twice on 116 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.399 completely different streaming services. So if you're listening to this 117 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:46.960 and you're interested, first of all, go to two B 118 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.360 and watch Blood and Diamonds, where it is streaming for free, 119 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.440 then look up Eurocrime on Real Good and you will 120 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:55.840 have a good double feature there. 121 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:59.960 I'd like to echo that sentiment. I love that documentary. 122 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.720 I've seen it a few times, and in fact, I 123 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:05.679 just watched it yesterday or the day before, and I 124 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.519 think it was on two B that it's streaming. I 125 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:14.679 hadn't made the Milan Caliber nine connection until listening to 126 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:18.399 the commentary track and they mentioned it, and then suddenly 127 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:21.720 things really clicked for me, and I said, oh, yeah, 128 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:28.240 this is really kind of the same situation. You know, 129 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:33.159 a guy gets out of prison after and when he 130 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.080 gets out of prison, everybody thinks he's got, you know, 131 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:42.679 a score to settle with his former boss, and he's 132 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:47.240 pressured by the gangsters who were his former friends and 133 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:51.840 by the police to you know, come clean and get 134 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:56.759 protection because he's vulnerable, because everybody's just waiting for this 135 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:59.399 guy to get rubbed out. The difference, though, is that 136 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.639 the situations end up being kind of like mirror opposites 137 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.279 as far as what the truth of the situation is. 138 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:10.799 And it is fun to have Barbara Bouchet in both 139 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:17.200 movies playing pretty similar, ultimately pretty similar roles. I do 140 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:21.159 think they make a nice a nice conversation. They start 141 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:25.120 the same. It's not Caliber nine ends where Blood and 142 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:29.279 Diamonds begins, But Blood and Diamonds just has the little precursor, 143 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:33.080 the little setup of you see him before he goes 144 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:36.879 to prison, and then the opening credits happen and he's 145 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:40.279 getting out of prison, whereas Caliber nine just starts with 146 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.480 him getting out of prison. So good double feature. Caliber 147 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:47.240 nine is my favorite, both the Leo film and of 148 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:49.879 the policiateeschies I've seen. I know a lot of folks 149 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:55.000 like the Italian Connection more I do like the Italian Connection, 150 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:59.360 and it's perhaps more in the spirit and. 151 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.320 Of a lot of the the Police Attachi movies. 152 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:09.639 It's it's bigger action and broader lead performances and things 153 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.399 like that. But I really do like the kind of 154 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:18.279 more somber noir ish overtones of Caliber nine and Blood 155 00:11:18.279 --> 00:11:18.799 and Diamonds. 156 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:22.080 And when he gets out of prison, it's literally it's 157 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.679 a five year time cut that happens over the course 158 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.559 of like a minute. The narrative of this movie is 159 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:32.039 not fucking around, like it immediately sets off and like 160 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:34.759 he gets he gets nabbed. In the first two minutes. 161 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:39.759 You see the prison, this gothic brutalist compound, you see 162 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:42.919 him come out, and then immediately that's when the revenge starts. 163 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:48.200 It's literally there's no wasted time getting to the plot. 164 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:52.159 Yeah, I thought maybe Caliber nine ended with that shot 165 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:55.519 of the phone and the JNB, but it ends with 166 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:59.559 that shot of the cigarette still burning instead. That's why 167 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:02.120 I was kind of hoping like it was literally like 168 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:05.360 the two shots matched up or something. But no, it's 169 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:06.840 it's definitely not that case. 170 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:09.120 I see, I am misunderstood. 171 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:11.919 I see where you're coming from, and I see why 172 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:13.919 my words would say that. But I was really hoping 173 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:16.200 that there would be more of a connection there and 174 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.440 it'd be like the same shot opening or something. But 175 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:24.559 the main character, Guido, he thinks that he's been set up, 176 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:27.320 and he was set up, but he thinks he was 177 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:31.480 set up by basically his boss, by Rizzo, who's played 178 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:34.919 by Martin Balsom, But he was not set up by Rizzo. 179 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:38.480 So like, this whole movie is him trying to get 180 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:42.879 revenge on Rizzo, and it's completely wrong headed. As soon 181 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.159 as he gets out of prison, he takes a bus 182 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:49.240 with his wife slash girlfriend. I can't I'm not sure 183 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:54.080 what their relationship is. But Olga kar lotas playing Maria 184 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:58.440 and gets out of prison and these two bandits show 185 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:00.639 up and they try to rob the b that he 186 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:03.039 and all these other people are on, and he says 187 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:06.240 to himself out loud, Rizo must have sent these two 188 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:09.799 goons to kill me, And that's his whole thing after 189 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:12.039 he thinks that he has been set up to be 190 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.120 killed coming out of prison. I don't know why they 191 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:17.759 wouldn't have killed him in prison, but coming out of prison, 192 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:21.919 that becomes his whole thing, and he's wrong. He's wrong 193 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:25.000 through the whole movie, so you're just like, okay, But 194 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:28.559 it's an interesting thing as far as when we find 195 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:32.320 out that he's wrong versus when he finds out and 196 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:35.679 then just how that changes everything when he finds out 197 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.080 that he is wrong and who the actual person that 198 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:42.639 set him up was. And I kept thinking the whole time, 199 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:45.159 through so much of this that it was actually I 200 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.440 think his friend's name is Marco. I kept thinking that 201 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:51.159 it was Marco maybe that set him up, because Marco. 202 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:55.720 It feels like Marco is kind of a It feels 203 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:59.320 like that this movie really influenced A Better Tomorrow. This 204 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.519 whole thing Marco who escaped from this stuff, but he 205 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:06.240 was lame, so he's going around, you know, with a 206 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:09.120 limp and everything, and he works at this autobody shop, 207 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:10.879 and so I just kept thinking of like the t 208 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:15.759 lung character who runs that taxi stand for ex criminals 209 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.919 and then you know Mark who got the bullet and 210 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.799 his knee, and that he's just kind of limping around afterwards. 211 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:25.279 But yeah, I thought that maybe Wu had seen this 212 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:27.320 and had picked up on some of those things for 213 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:31.799 Better Tomorrow, because there are some elements of these gangster 214 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.720 films that play really well with the Hong Kong films 215 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:35.120 later on. 216 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.240 And it's important to add that the guys who try 217 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:42.559 to rob the bus kill his lady love, which I 218 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:48.159 think only intensifies that desire for revenge. And Martin Balsom 219 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:51.279 amazing to say, it's in really well with the rest 220 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:53.799 of the Italian cast. A lot of times when they 221 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:57.519 cast American actors in these roles, they look like Americans 222 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:01.120 hanging out with Italian people, but this guy really blends in, 223 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.440 and probably because Balstam was such a good actor, but 224 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:09.840 even with the dubbed voice, he fits in perfectly, absolutely well. 225 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.320 It's him dubbing himself though right it is, well, I 226 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.080 didn't know. I think it is, at least in the 227 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.120 version I saw, because. 228 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:22.399 It sounds a little different watching these films that most 229 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:26.200 of them, or at least several of them, and several 230 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.679 of the first ones I saw, are available either dubbed 231 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:34.039 in English or in Italian, and I do think it 232 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:37.240 makes a difference how you first see them. I think 233 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:42.080 the first time I saw Caliber nine it was in 234 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:47.759 Italian with subtitles, and watching it later dubbed in English, 235 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:51.279 it does give it a different a different feel. I 236 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:57.639 love both versions, but yeah, the whole dubbing and versus 237 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:01.720 subtitle I mean that would be dubbed two because it 238 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:06.320 didn't shoot with live sound, but reading subtitles and and 239 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:10.320 hearing a dubbed actor, it really does make for a 240 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:13.639 different experience. I think with the films and Blood and 241 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:18.399 Diamonds and Milan, Caliber nine, specifically with their sort of 242 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.120 more sober tone than you know a lot of the 243 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:26.879 really gonzo action ones in the genre. The gonzo action ones, 244 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:31.200 I think that that dubbed quality kind of adds to 245 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:35.440 the frenetic energy of the things. But these these more 246 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:39.279 somber ones, I think if you watch them dubbed, I 247 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:43.480 think you come away with a different feeling thing you 248 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:46.720 do if if you watch them subtitled soap. 249 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:51.080 Yeah, this one's definitely more contemplative than the rest of 250 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:54.440 the of the bunch. I don't. I tried to clock 251 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:57.200 if there was a if anything could count as a 252 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.799 car chase, and I don't think there is one, which 253 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:03.080 there is in all the other ones. Yet somber is 254 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.000 the right word. I think it's It's definitely it's a 255 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:11.119 more morose prime picture as opposed to the excess is 256 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:13.079 the fun excesses of the other ones. 257 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:18.599 I made the mistake of watching this English dubbed with 258 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:24.079 English subtitles on it, So the English subtitles were for 259 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:28.119 the Italian version, so it pointed out all of the 260 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:34.000 times that the subtitler was deciding. And I'm taking it 261 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.880 that the subtitler was only subtitling things that we hear 262 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:42.400 on screen, So sometimes there are lines that were put 263 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.079 in in the English version that we didn't hear in 264 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:49.559 the Italian version. It was very strange, especially if there's 265 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:54.759 somebody on screen and their mouth is hidden, the subtitles 266 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:57.519 might have an extra line in there. As opposed to 267 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.319 the English version, where you weren't hearing them say something, 268 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.279 so like, you know, a phrase or something would pop 269 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.519 up on screen. I'm like, nobody's talking right now, but 270 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.920 apparently in the Italian version they were, so Yeah. It 271 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.359 was a very strange experience for me trying to make 272 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:16.039 my way through that. And like, I can't imagine watching 273 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:21.039 Caliber nine without Lionel Stander's voice because that is such 274 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:23.359 a part of him as a as a person and 275 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:26.599 as an actor. That kind of like Martin Balsom, I 276 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:29.000 was just like, yeah, I can't imagine watching this without 277 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:29.720 his voice. 278 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:32.799 Watching it dubbed and subtitled at the same time is 279 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:35.559 like that episode of News Radio where Jimmy James had 280 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:40.039 his autobiography translated into Japanese and then back into English. 281 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:44.960 Soon No One, super Karate Monkey Death Car where. 282 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:51.480 Park in MySpace and then you have super Monkey Death 283 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:54.319 Car and just stuff that makes absolutely no sense. 284 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.720 Caliber nine was has a slight advantage too, because it's 285 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:04.799 got Mario Ador there, who is fucking amazing. But this 286 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:09.680 movie has Pierre Paolo Caponi. I believe it's how you 287 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:13.400 pronounced the gentleman's name as Tony who basically is that 288 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:16.519 same role from Caliber nine. But oh my god, and 289 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:19.200 I wish people could see what you look like right now, 290 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:24.079 Jedediah with the major fat tie that's tied around your 291 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:26.920 neck and not around the collar, because. 292 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:29.240 Not around the collar collars opened yet. 293 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:33.160 Because Tony has this weird fashion sense where he's wearing 294 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.119 it looks like multiple ties hanging around his neck or 295 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.079 maybe an incredibly long cravat. I don't know what's going on. 296 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:44.720 It's so delightfully garish. 297 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.640 He's great, he's great, and every time he shows up, 298 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:50.519 he's just like a mad dog and he just keeps 299 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:54.680 yelling conform, conform, And I'm like, okay, you gotta. 300 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:57.440 Stop that moment when Tony's talking to you, go for 301 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:02.680 mah conf Now, as I was saying that line is 302 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.319 is great, And I wonder if it was the Italian 303 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:09.799 you know what the Italian word was that they were, 304 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:14.000 you know, because on that Eurocrime doc they spent some 305 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:16.920 time talking with voice actors who did who did the 306 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:20.720 the dubbing, and you know, they talked about how well 307 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:22.880 first the actors talked about how there was a lot 308 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:25.319 of improvising going on, you know, just like get the 309 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.119 essence of that scene from Dirty Harry or you know, 310 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:32.519 from Bullets say it kind of kind of the same, 311 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:34.960 you know, make it your own. And then and then 312 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:39.000 the dubbers are watching the lip movement and trying to 313 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:40.720 find words that fit the lip. 314 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:42.519 Movement, and so. 315 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:46.799 That he's saying conform is is kind of funny and 316 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.039 kind of you know, you think it means one thing. 317 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:51.960 But then at the end, and you know. 318 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:57.519 After he's killed Marco and he's confronting Guido about how, 319 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:03.279 you know, he's widow's got all his friends killed basically, 320 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:08.160 and but he's confessing that he didn't like killing Marco 321 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:11.039 because Marco, you know, was a stand up guy and 322 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:12.960 really went out like a man. 323 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:13.480 He said he. 324 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:17.440 Conformed, he could, you know, he conformed all the way. 325 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:18.359 Just been quite. 326 00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:21.200 I thought that meant one thing, and you're saying, yeah, 327 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:24.079 the the usage, I'm not really sure what the intent 328 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:29.559 was and what the actual word they're transcribing is, but 329 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:31.880 it's it's a it's a hell of a hell of 330 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:32.960 a character catchphrase. 331 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:37.000 Come firm. 332 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:39.720 Aha. 333 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:43.359 And to piggyback on the euro crime thing, the one 334 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:46.440 thing missing in all Delayo movies is pissed torture. 335 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.799 I haven't seen all the Delayo movies, but i've seen 336 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:55.440 all the all the policiatteschi ones and and adjacent you know, 337 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:59.680 crime and action ones. There's a few of the erotic, 338 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.799 dry and sex comedies I don't think I've been able 339 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:07.799 to find. But I will say he's my favorite of 340 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:14.119 the Bletiatshi directors that that I'm aware of. I've probably 341 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:19.440 seen twenty or thirty Gleitziatshi films total, you know, out 342 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:23.480 of hundreds and hundreds, so not a great sampling, but 343 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:26.000 I think it's I think he's considered one of the 344 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:31.559 more important contributors. And even with him, there's a fairly 345 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:35.680 whyde gap between his best examples in the genre and 346 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:40.200 his lesser examples. So you know, i'd say there's four 347 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:42.839 or five of his that I like quite a bit, 348 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:47.599 and I've seen a few that I really don't care for. 349 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:51.519 I don't feel like I know him as a person 350 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:56.039 having watched what I've watched, I feel like, you know, 351 00:22:56.119 --> 00:23:00.279 there's some directors that I feel I understand something about 352 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:04.279 their personality, and I don't know that I've got that connection. 353 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:08.160 I wish I knew more about him I've read just 354 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:12.720 a couple of fairly brief things, biographical things, and Mike, 355 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:16.400 you sent that documentary about him that seemed to be 356 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:18.160 people reading his poetry for. 357 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:24.160 Wherever eventually it changes. That opening was brutal, though, especially 358 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:26.680 because they make you read it on screen, and then 359 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:29.119 they go to the guy and then he reads it again. 360 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.599 You're just like, oh my god. So about five minutes 361 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:34.960 in it actually becomes like a real documentary. 362 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:37.480 Well, yeah, I mean I watched the whole thing, but 363 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:42.960 I maybe I was a little lulled by all the poetry. 364 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:45.759 If you guys know about him, I would love to 365 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:49.440 hear your thoughts on who he was and what does 366 00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:53.759 film say about him, but of the policiatashi stuff specifically, 367 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:58.519 Even in that small number of films he made, there's 368 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:03.160 a pretty wide app between his best and his lesser efforts. 369 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:05.759 Yeah. I don't seem to get a real beat on 370 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:09.960 him through his films, at least the ones that I've seen. 371 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:12.920 I know that he was supposed to be very leftist, 372 00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:15.880 you know, one of those wokesters I think is So 373 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:18.400 that's probably why we don't know that much, because you know, 374 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:21.160 you go woke, you go broke and That's why probably 375 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:23.039 even shouldn't even be talking about this movie. 376 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:25.960 He went out of style when woke was not cool yet, 377 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:28.920 So you know, he was ahead of everybody dying in 378 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.599 two thousand and three. He was whoa he knew woke 379 00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:33.440 before we ever had a definition. 380 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:36.319 If that's true his You know, I know that there 381 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:40.759 are some leftist ideas debated, you know, especially in Caliber 382 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:44.599 nine The Police Chiefs. You know, there's one leftist and 383 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:49.119 one fascist, and they spend a fair amount of the 384 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:53.680 film debating policing philosophies and things like that. But you know, 385 00:24:53.880 --> 00:25:01.559 the genre itself is you know, often fairly really fascist. Frankly, 386 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.519 you know, it was a lot of really over the 387 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:08.079 top police heroes and vigilati heroes who just you know, 388 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:12.200 slaughter their way and torture their way through through suspects 389 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:15.680 and underworlds, and that we're rooting for them most of 390 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.799 the time too. You know, I make no bones about 391 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.839 really enjoying those films, But it's funny that a subgenre 392 00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:28.640 with so many pretty fascist examples would have leftist crews 393 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:30.680 and directors behind them. 394 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:34.640 Well yeah, I mean it was Italy. It didn't all 395 00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:37.680 change after Mussolini was hung upside down. There were still 396 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.759 a lot of fascist sympathizers and a ton of communist 397 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:43.319 sympathizers at the same time. This was like the prime 398 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:47.839 time of the Red Brigade, the Brigado Russo. And then 399 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:49.960 to find out that this movie came out what was 400 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:53.200 at the day after the Prime Minister was kidnapped by 401 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.960