WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:09.119 It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on 2 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:26.320 Sports Talk seven nine day. Now, here's Nick coffee. 3 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:30.000 All right, here we go. 4 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:33.439 Let's get it start at five o'clock on a Wednesday afternoon, 5 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:36.320 a very very cold Wednesday. I mentioned this at the 6 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:38.719 beginning of the show, and I know audience turns over 7 00:00:38.759 --> 00:00:41.240 quite a bit during drivetime radio, and I know a 8 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:43.119 lot of people don't really get to get this thing 9 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.520 started with us until five o'clock. So be careful one, 10 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:47.600 because you know you should always be careful, and it's 11 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:49.079 really cold, so make sure you layer up. 12 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:50.719 But one thing, I mean, it makes sense. 13 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:52.159 I just wouldn't have thought about it if I hadn't 14 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:56.359 witnessed what I saw earlier today, these mounds of snow 15 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:59.439 that have been shoveled to the sides of these streets, 16 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:01.719 so we can, you know, drive on it. That's great, 17 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:04.239 you know, despite us getting so much snow and despite 18 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.200 it still being freezing, freezing outside, we can we can 19 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:09.599 navigate through this city without a whole lot of issues. 20 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:11.879 There's still clearly some areas that are that are not treated. 21 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:14.480 Our man Austin, poor guy, his streets still just a 22 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:16.079 big might as well be an ice skating. 23 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:16.879 Rink, right nasty. 24 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:19.159 Yeah, it's it's it's it's that cold to where if 25 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.000 it didn't get addressed, these temperatures make it to where 26 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:25.480 it's it's frozen solid in a major way. 27 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:28.040 But I still haven't fell yet. I'm still I'm still like, 28 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:31.239 keep that street going, keep that street going, you know me, 29 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:33.599 I don't care about hurting myself. I just look like 30 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:36.200 the reputation i'd get because now I'm a bigger guy, 31 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:38.280 and it's always funny to see fat people fall. I 32 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:42.359 know I do, But yeah, is that true? Like I don't, Yeah, 33 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:44.439 I love it. It's hilarious because they fall in such 34 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:47.200 hilarious motion I know firsthand. 35 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.560 I guess there's some truth to that. Anyways, what I 36 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:53.599 saw earlier, again it makes sense. I just have never 37 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:55.840 seen it before. But because it's so cold outside and 38 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:58.840 we've got, you know, just big mounds of snow on 39 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:02.040 the sides of these roads on Second Street, the guy across, 40 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:04.200 you know, the other way, the other direction of Second Street, 41 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.599 he I guess slightly. I won't even I don't want 42 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:08.919 to say he went off the road. But like, we 43 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:11.159 don't even have full lanes in certain areas because they've 44 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:14.240 just moved as much snow as they can. But his 45 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:17.960 vehicle hit the You know, I would have expected him 46 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:19.599 to just kind of run into snow to where it 47 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:21.639 would clearly not be something that you want to do. 48 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:24.840 But it was so frozen that it damaged his car, 49 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:28.560 like cracked his front bumper. And again makes sense considering 50 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:32.400 how cold it is. But we just this snowstorm that 51 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:33.759 we had. Of course, it's the most snow we've had 52 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:35.919 in a long time around here, and because we only 53 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:38.120 got a buff freezing for just a little while, not 54 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:39.840 all of it melted. And now we've got such cold 55 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:42.439 temperatures that again there's just a lot of chunks of 56 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.840 ice out there. I mean, in fact, I turned left 57 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.280 on this was downtown. I turned left on and again 58 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:53.039 I'm terrible with my streets. I got off. I was 59 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:56.719 on Jacob Street, went up, took a right the light 60 00:02:57.159 --> 00:02:59.199 that is right where the McDonald's is downtown. You guys 61 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.039 know what I'm talking about. I turned left there, and 62 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:03.800 they clearly have treated the roads to where like there's 63 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:06.919 no issue. But like if you you know the part 64 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:10.719 that is not driven on quite as much in those intersections, 65 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:12.560 like there's still some just build up. Then it's so 66 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:14.719 cold that I hit what I just assume is just 67 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:16.840 going to be like, you know, little ice, But you 68 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.919 would have thought that, like I unexpectedly hit a humongous 69 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.719 speed bump, Like that's how that's how frozen everything is. 70 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.240 So stay warm, stay safe, and I'm sure we'll get 71 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:28.719 some consistent temperatures above freezing before too long, which, of course, 72 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.759 you know, we'll get all this stuff melted and out 73 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:33.360 of the way. I'm not bothered by it a whole lot, 74 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:35.400 even though it has kind of inconvenienced me a little bit. 75 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:37.159 But I'm sure there's many of you that you know, 76 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:39.800 hate the winter weather that cannot wait for this stuff 77 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.560 to go away. So I'm sure you'll get your wishes 78 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.280 before too long. If you were somebody wishing that Louisville 79 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:50.080 basketball would come back to life this year and give 80 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:52.680 us a season as fans that we can, you know, 81 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:55.080 just be a part of and you know, follow along, 82 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.080 have some wins that give you a belief that you 83 00:03:58.120 --> 00:03:59.759 could maybe make the tournament like things do. We haven't 84 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:01.520 had a long time. I know I'm not the only 85 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:03.080 one that was wishing for that in a major way, 86 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.000 and so far our wish has come true. Louisville basketball 87 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:09.639 is continuing to play really, really, really well. They went 88 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:11.919 on the road last night up to Syracuse again, a 89 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:15.120 team that you know is not good, but I don't care. 90 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:16.800 Louisville was really good. 91 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.120 And you know, they're on the road at a place 92 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:21.639 that's not Syracuse and it's a really good team. 93 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:23.800 Do they win? I don't know. Would clearly be very tough, 94 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:24.720 but all you can do is. 95 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:27.399 Play who's on the schedule. And they're showing up and 96 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:29.920 kicking everybody's ass. I mean, pardon my language, but I 97 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.519 mean that's what this team's doing. Jerry called earlier one 98 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:34.040 of our callers, and he made a good point, and 99 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:36.160 I was aware of this, but I hadn't really even 100 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:39.160 given it much thought. Because I'm now seeing Louisville win 101 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:41.560 by twenty plus against a bad Syracuse team, and yeah, 102 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.279 it's enjoyable. The feeling that you get from it is awesome. 103 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.959 But also I'm not really that surprised because again, they've 104 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.319 been on a tear since they hit January. I mean, 105 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:55.959 they lost to Kentucky on December fourteenth, and that was 106 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.399 their last loss, and they beat Florida State, a solid win, 107 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:00.759 a good win. By the way, that was the way 108 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.120 where I'm feeling like, Okay, here's our first chance. You've 109 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.839 got Florida State, who is decent. But if you really 110 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:11.800 did get better during these losses to the good teams, 111 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:15.720 the Ole Misses, the Dukes and the Kentucky's, if what 112 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.800 I believe was true, the first sign of me potentially 113 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:21.000 being able to be correct would be go on the 114 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.639 road and beat Florida State. And they did, and that 115 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:25.360 was great. Well, then they turned around a week later 116 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:27.439 and lost or nearly lost to EKU. I mean, they 117 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:29.680 were lucky. They were lucky to win that game. Credit 118 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.240 to Noah Waterman for getting that bucket who came in 119 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:34.720 a major. But like you should have lost, you didn't, 120 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:36.360 and that's all that matters. But like, that was a 121 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:38.839 close call, and at that point I'm thinking, Okay, let's 122 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:40.360 just ride it out and see what happens. 123 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:40.560 Man. 124 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:43.519 This team, I like them. They're fighting hard. I kind 125 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:45.160 of feel like they're getting the most out of what 126 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:48.399 they have and there's gonna be some games where maybe 127 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:52.160 they play well and surprise you and win. But I 128 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:54.319 wasn't accepting that the season was going to be terrible, 129 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:58.079 but the Eku close call was clearly an issue. But 130 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:02.040 since then January, for when they showed up to play 131 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.040 North Carolina, I mean that is when something was just 132 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:07.079 different about this team when it comes to their energy, 133 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:11.160 their intensity defensively and look, they were pretty good in 134 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:14.040 those areas, I feel like all year, but they have 135 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:15.120 really found their groove. 136 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:16.240 And what I think it is is. 137 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.240 They are they've now gone through the transition to where 138 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:23.439 now they have They've had enough repetition with this being 139 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:26.160 the team that the idea, the roles for each guy 140 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:30.680 has been identified and they these guys are more comfortable 141 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.360 in what they're doing. They know they're capable of doing 142 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:35.279 what is needed of them night in and night out 143 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:37.920 for this team to be good, and and it's been. 144 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:41.319 It's been a beautiful thing. I mean, right now Louisville 145 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:43.839 is safely in the tournament, and I think they'd have 146 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:47.560 to start showing us a team that we don't recognize 147 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:51.120 for that to change. Currently, if you go to the 148 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.680 kin Palm, which by the way, check this out Louisville 149 00:06:54.759 --> 00:07:00.439 since they're because the Eku game that was a metric 150 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.240 that was a metric loss, meaning you didn't take the 151 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:05.360 l but man, you were held accountable when it comes 152 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:07.759 to the net and the kent Pong. So here here's 153 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:13.160 Louisville's net situation since the EKU game. So at the 154 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:18.319 time they played EKU, they were fiftieth Louisville was. They won, 155 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:22.120 but only by two against an EKU team that's now 156 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:23.720 two to twenty five in the kin Pom. So they 157 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:29.480 dropped eight spots despite winning. So with wins over Carolina, 158 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.279 I mean they look, they've won every game by double 159 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.399 digits outside of the four point win against Pittsburgh, who, 160 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:37.959 by the way, is the best team they've played since 161 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:40.040 they played Kentucky as far as the numbers go, So 162 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:43.920 Louisville when they started twenty twenty five against Carolina, they're 163 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:47.360 sitting at fifty eight. As they sit today, they're thirtieth. 164 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.720 So they've jumped up twenty eight spots in the kin Pom. 165 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:54.040 And yes, I know these teams they're beating a lot 166 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:55.800 of them aren' going to make the tournament. Florida State, 167 00:07:55.920 --> 00:08:01.319 no EKU, certainly, not North Carolina, probably Virginia, no, Clemson, 168 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.519 probably Pittsburgh, yes, Syracuse hell no. So like I know 169 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:06.879 all that but you know how you climb when you 170 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:08.759 beat the hell out of these teams, and that's that's 171 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.639 really what they've done. So they've got Virginia coming up 172 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.560 on Saturday. They should win that win Again, the formula 173 00:08:14.680 --> 00:08:18.120 is starting to give you the you know, it's starting 174 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.879 to show that it's noticing Louisll's playing really good basketball, 175 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:22.639 because when they went on the road to Virginia, they 176 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.319 end up winning by a lot twenty points to be exact, 177 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:26.759 but that was a game they think. I think the 178 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.759 formula hadn't win in by like four or five, maybe 179 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:30.959 it might have even been less than that. And here 180 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.399 we are now they're expect the formula has this as 181 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:35.440 a seventy two to fifty eight win, a fourteen point 182 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:37.559 win for Louisville, and I wouldn't be shocked if it's 183 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.559 even uglier than that, because this team is mature and 184 00:08:40.600 --> 00:08:43.799 clearly they're playing good basketball. But they I think last 185 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:50.399 night they knew they could really make Syracuse just quit. 186 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:54.080 And I shouldn't say quit because quitting literally means you 187 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:56.399 just don't play. I mean, they were out there, but 188 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:59.919 many that's Syracuse team. I said it earlier, I'll say 189 00:08:59.919 --> 00:09:02.600 it again. They gave me some PTSD because it was 190 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:03.960 nice to be on the good side of that. But 191 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:06.120 was that looked like a Kenny Payne type team out there. 192 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:08.519 They would show signs every now and that they actually 193 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:10.919 have some decent players, not great players, but some guys 194 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:14.000 that clear, like Sterling is a really good guard. The 195 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.720 big fellow for Ques I've already forgotten his name, real 196 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.559 big fella, Eddie Lampkin. He's been around a long time, 197 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:22.679 like he's He's been a good player in college. Was 198 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:24.559 a good, good guy who was a good player for 199 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:26.720 Colorado one year when they made a run in the tournament. 200 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:30.480 Chris Bell, good shooter who you know, lit up Louisville 201 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:32.440 last year and then last night got hot brief you like, 202 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:34.440 so again you see some stretches kind of like Louisvill 203 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:36.279 last year. You would see Brandon Hunty Hatfield make a 204 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:38.480 play and you think, wow, that guy, he's pretty good. 205 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:40.240 You could see why he was a five star recruit. 206 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:44.480 You look at Tyler Johnson at times, same thing. I mean, 207 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:46.480 you could tell that you know, this team ain't great, 208 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:48.440 They're not good, but man, they shouldn't. 209 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:48.480 Be this bad. 210 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:50.799 That's that's what Syracuse was so it was nice to 211 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:52.759 be on the winning side of that, and that led 212 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.279 to me kind of starting the conversation today because this 213 00:09:56.440 --> 00:10:00.240 was something if if Austin came to me yesterday, said 214 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:03.519 Nick before the game, before the show, Fostin said, Nick, 215 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.679 did you know that Kenny Payin's being paid more money 216 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.600 to not coach Louisville than Pat Kelsey's getting paid to 217 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:12.840 coach Louisville. I would have given it a brief thought 218 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:14.720 that and said, yeah, I forgot about that. 219 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:18.000 You're right, that's crazy. So that hasn't been something on 220 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:18.480 my mind. 221 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:21.240 But for some reason, I guess the PTSD of last 222 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:24.639 night and just being so impressed with Pat Kelsey, you know, 223 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:27.799 it is wild to process that, and that's really you know, 224 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.039 if you want to blame somebody, I guess you can 225 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:34.360 blame the the you know, the decision to hire Kenny Payne, 226 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:36.080 but we don't want to. I mean, and clearly it 227 00:10:36.120 --> 00:10:38.720 was the wrong decision, but there's nothing beneficial and there's 228 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:40.159 no need to even go back to that time. That 229 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:42.039 was a long time ago. So again I don't bring 230 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:44.440 it up to say we should be mad at somebody. 231 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:46.600 It's just kind of crazy to process more so given 232 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.519 how bad Kenny was in the contract he got and 233 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:53.000 how good Kelsey's doing, so, I think it may have 234 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.720 been perceived by some that I was acting as if 235 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:58.600 Louisville like somebody like that they need to pay more 236 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.360 money right now. And if they do, oh, I have 237 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:01.759 no issue with it. It's not my money. And I 238 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.039 think you're well aware that you've got Pat Kelsey on 239 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:06.399 a really good rate for the Louisville job, but he's 240 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:09.159 willing to invest in himself like Pat Kelsey probably would 241 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:12.320 have taken the job for substantially less money because he's 242 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.279 confident in what he brings to the table. I think 243 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:20.080 he approached this with the mindset that is the right mindset, 244 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.240 and so far, I think it's playing out exactly that way. 245 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:26.039 I know I've got a formula as a coach, and 246 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:27.720 I don't mean like his style. I mean I know 247 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:31.480 what I bring to the table. I know how I 248 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:33.840 how me and my staff work together. I know what 249 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:36.360 I'm about. I believe in myself as a coach. I've 250 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:39.639 been successful at everywhere I've been. If I can take 251 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:43.440 what I bring and now add all the bells and 252 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:45.639 whistles that you get at a place like Louisville that 253 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:47.879 you don't have elsewhere, like Charleston and Winthrop. 254 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:49.480 I think you would have taken the job. I mean, 255 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:50.200 I'm exaggerating here. 256 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.039 We might have taken the job for free if he 257 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:54.519 knew that he could show what he's worth and it 258 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:56.080 could work out long term for him. So I don't 259 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:57.120 think what was going to give the guy a new 260 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:59.200 contract right now. If they did, I wouldn't be shocked, 261 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:00.919 but I don't think they will. But at the end 262 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:04.440 of the season, if this thing continues to be very successful, 263 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:06.639 I don't know if they're going to be the one 264 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:09.559 to initiate it. But if the agent of Pat Kelsey 265 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:13.440 decides to say, look, clearly, we came in on a 266 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:15.759 deal that made sense for everybody involved at the time, 267 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:19.039 and we'd like to to see if we can maybe get, 268 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:22.600 you know, an extension and a bump and pay. And 269 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:24.399 I have no clue if Pat is the kind of 270 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:25.960 guy to nudge his agent to do that. In fact, 271 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:27.360 I'm not even really sure how it works. I've never 272 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:29.279 had an agent. But maybe the agents just do it 273 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.200 without even your knowledge, because that's their job to look 274 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:31.759 out for you, so. 275 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:32.440 You don't have to do it. 276 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:36.080 But if push comes to shove and pat wants a 277 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:37.799 new deal, I think he's gonna get it, and I 278 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:39.720 don't think anybody's gonna have a problem with that. It's 279 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.440 just unfamiliar territory here because the unfamiliar situation you were 280 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:45.039 in with Kenny Payin led to you to be here 281 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:46.799 where you hired a coach and he's not making near 282 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:47.360 the money that. 283 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:49.559 You paid previous guys to take this job. 284 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:54.159 So you know that there's an explanation as to while 285 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:56.080 we're here is because of how bad it went with 286 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:01.360 KP So potentially, I guess you could find yourself the 287 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:04.679 product of that is is another unusual situation where you're 288 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:06.879 sitting around thinking, hey, we better pay our coach because 289 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.440 if not, somebody's gonna come and try to take him. Previously, 290 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:11.039 nobody would ever come and try to take the Louisville 291 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.159 coach because it's Louisville. I mean, it just didn't make 292 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:15.120 any sense, not only because of the program, but because 293 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:17.600 of who was the coach. Dinny Crumb turned down UCLA. 294 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:20.399 You think he's gonna leave Louisville to go anywhere else. No, 295 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:24.440 Rick Patino, like, there's better jobs than Louisville, but not many, 296 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:27.360 And why would Rick want to start over and go elsewhere, like, 297 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:31.559 you know, just doesn't make any sense. And it doesn't 298 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:33.759 make any sense right now for Pat Kelsey to look 299 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:35.879 to want elite, to want to leave Louisville for any 300 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:37.799 other college job. And I don't think there's a chance 301 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:40.200 in hell that happens, because if he keeps winning, he 302 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:42.559 was gonna be compensated and they're gonna, you know, Louis's 303 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:44.639 gonna get what they pay for. It just made sense 304 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:46.039 for them to not. I mean, if they would have 305 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:50.879 given Pat Kelsey the same exact contract they gave Kenny initially, 306 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:55.240 it honestly would not have been a big surprise because 307 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:57.159 again it's Louisville. Like there's a going rate for this 308 00:13:57.279 --> 00:14:00.399 job because of what it is like, it wouldn't have 309 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.600 been a shocker, right, So what this did? I think 310 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:06.120 it actually shows some physical responsibility from Josh to where 311 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:09.879 he did learn this go around. I think this guy's 312 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:11.440 going to be great, but I also thought Kenny Pain 313 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:12.919 was going to be great, and now we're paying for 314 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.480 it quite literally, so I gotta be careful. I'm gonna 315 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:17.159 be you know, I'm gonna be a little more mindful 316 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:18.679 of what we guarantee, what we put on, what we 317 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:20.840 put in place, and you still have to do that 318 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:22.440 now like it could fall apart. I don't think it 319 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.240 will with Pat. But it's just this has been fun 320 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.279 and I just I didn't. I wasn't trying to go 321 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:32.200 relive the Kenny Payne era and bag on him because 322 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:34.799 I don't. I'm so happy about level basketball. I don't 323 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.279 want to focus on Kenny Payine. But for those and 324 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.159 there's not many, there's some that get really there. In fact, 325 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:42.519 I'm only talking about like one person that texts in. 326 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:44.399 There's one person that called in that didn't want to 327 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:46.600 come on the air one time, but just wanted the 328 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:49.279 wanted whoever was producing that day to know that I 329 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:51.000 need to move on from Kenny Payne. Why are we 330 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.519 still talking about Kenny Payne. It's because you're triggered for 331 00:14:53.559 --> 00:14:57.440 some reason that I'll never understand. You are bothered by 332 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:01.279 people not sharing opinions but acknowledging facts that he was 333 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:04.360 that bad as a coach. And why that bothers you, 334 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:07.480 I'll never understand. Because we had some people out here 335 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:10.399 that expose themselves as Kenny Payne fans and not Louisville fans. 336 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:11.919 That's what you were if you wanted to keep this 337 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:13.440 thing around, which not many did. 338 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:15.759 So when people the. 339 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.200 Few out there that are like still triggered and get 340 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:21.559 mad and talking about you're so security like he's a 341 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:24.399 part of this. The reason we feel as good as 342 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:27.080 we feel right now is because of how bad he was. 343 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:28.399 So it's not like. 344 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.279 Not being able to move on right now in the 345 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:38.600 raw and real moment, halfway through a season. We're feeling great, 346 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:40.720 And a part of the reason we feel as good 347 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:43.480 as we feel is is because of how bad he was. 348 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:46.600 So that's not going on, and that's just a part 349 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:49.600 of this whole thing. And anybody who's like, why you're 350 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:53.360 bringing him up, it's obvious to me. And if you're 351 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:57.120 still triggered and bothered that, like anybody acknowledges what happened. 352 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:59.399 Nobody's picking on him, nobody's going out of their way, 353 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:01.960 and if they did, I wouldn't blame him. It'd be 354 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.759 totally different if Kenny was you know, humble Kenny still 355 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:07.200 to this day. I mean the last time we heard 356 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.320 from him, I mean we didn't hear from him. Last 357 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:10.919 time heard from him was at a press conference when 358 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.399 you know when he talked about jumping off the Titanic, 359 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.080 and I mean people forget he threw everybody under the 360 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:18.840 bus in his last press conferences if he had no 361 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.480 accountability like he was, I mean he was quite literally 362 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:25.480 a masterclass in how to give two years at a 363 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.639 gig the worst possible way you could. That's what that was. 364 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:31.320 And I say this again not to be funny, because 365 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:33.080 it's not funny. Not exaggerating. 366 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:33.639 This isn't for. 367 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:36.399 Effect, it's the truth. I appreciate his consistency. He was 368 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:39.519 so bad from day one in every way on the floor, 369 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:42.919 results off the floor, to where it was quite clear 370 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:44.559 this wasn't going to work out, and I thank him 371 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:48.879 for that, and I mean it sincerely. So Pat Kelsey, 372 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.440 everything that Pat Kelsey is is everything that Kenny Payne 373 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.759 was not, and it's been enjoyable. And we'll talk about this. 374 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:57.559 On the other side, Kentucky can say the same thing 375 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:02.679 about their coach. Both can be successful, like let Cal's 376 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:06.000 clearly struggling in a major way, but he could be 377 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.680 great at Arkansas and it wouldn't mean that Pope wouldn't 378 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:10.839 be in the situation that he's in right now, right. 379 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:14.440 But when it comes to why you enjoy this ride 380 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:18.440 so much as Kentucky fans, it's because every single thing 381 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.920 that you love about Mark Pope, outside of the fact 382 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.400 that he played there. Everything you love about him, his 383 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:29.200 style of play, his love for your program, his humbleness, 384 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:34.640 his relatability, all that that is everything that the guy 385 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:37.079 you used to have was not. And if he was 386 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:38.960 still winning at a really high level, you guys would 387 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:40.599 still act like he's the best thing that ever happened. 388 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.200 Because that's just how fans o. That's how it works. 389 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:48.200 That's how this works. But cal is crumbling, and I 390 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:50.200 think him carrying himself the way he has really for 391 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:53.480 his whole career. He doesn't have that army behind him anymore, 392 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:55.519 Big Blue Nation. He's not at Arkansas and they haven't 393 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:57.759 gotten anything from him, and they're worried that they made 394 00:17:57.759 --> 00:17:59.720 the wrong decision and he's going to be there forever 395 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.279 because of the money that he got. 396 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:03.240 It's crazy. 397 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:05.640 Imagine going back in time a year ago today and 398 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:10.000 telling everyone that this scenario today would be in front 399 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.720 of us. Nobody would believe you for a second. It's 400 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.079 been a while ride, But I think both fan bases are, 401 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.319