Speaker 1: H h.
Speaker 2: And we are back staring at those wicked looking eyes.
Speaker 2: We got them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go button.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: No, it's cool man. I love looking at those eyes.
Speaker 2: They're medicine.
Speaker 3: You see what happens when you take two weeks off.
Speaker 3: I forget how to do anything.
Speaker 2: All right, man, Life, life gets in the way. Getting
Speaker 2: button is the last of our concerns. We are back
Speaker 2: tonight with the big Foot Podts podcast, and you're excited
Speaker 2: to have everybody back. It's been a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like it though. For me, it's kind
Speaker 2: of seemed like it it flew by. It just flew
Speaker 2: by for me.
Speaker 3: How much you pretty quick? Pretty quick?
Speaker 2: It seemed like it went by pretty quick. Do anything
Speaker 2: in your time off, Do anything your time off. How
Speaker 2: cold is it up there? Yes, I mean it ain't
Speaker 2: Illinois cold, but we both our blood got thinned out.
Speaker 2: We ain't cut out stuff.
Speaker 3: It's cold. We can probably low forties in the morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fifty one degrees when I'm out my
Speaker 2: truck today. I told my wife we're gonna have to
Speaker 2: move to the equator. We we came down here to
Speaker 2: get out of the cold, man, And here we are
Speaker 2: in what we consider cold well tonight we got agree
Speaker 2: that's what guess with us. It's Daniel been while from
Speaker 2: East e b r O. He's had some encounters and experiences.
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of projects he's involved with, and
Speaker 2: he's about as busy as you could get with the
Speaker 2: things that he's involved with, promoting things podcasts. Plus he's
Speaker 2: got some pretty good encounters that I think we can
Speaker 2: give a listen to because every little bit of detail
Speaker 2: that he can give us that somebody out there in
Speaker 2: the woods might here, see, smell, you know, what not feel,
Speaker 2: might add a little bit to the what their experience
Speaker 2: and then make them a little bit more aware of
Speaker 2: what's going on out there in the woods or whatnot.
Speaker 2: But yeah, our mods, this Diane and Cashew, the heart
Speaker 2: and soul of our page right now. They're the only
Speaker 2: thing that's keeping us from crashing. And I want to
Speaker 2: thank them out there and all the subscribers that out
Speaker 2: there and the people in the chat that follow us.
Speaker 2: So we've been getting a lot of support late and
Speaker 2: I we really appreciate more than I ever expected, but
Speaker 2: it's it's nice to have. So I want to thank
Speaker 2: all them people out there for that. So let's go
Speaker 2: ahead and bring Daniel on and let's get the show
Speaker 2: started because he's got a lot of things that he
Speaker 2: can talk about. Welcome Daniel, how you But.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm doing real good, real good. Thank you for
Speaker 1: having me. This is awesome. Hey, real quick, I got
Speaker 1: to ask you guys, where do you guys live when
Speaker 1: you guys got fifty degree weather?
Speaker 3: Right right?
Speaker 4: I'm Florida, Oh Lucy, I'm in Port San you know,
Speaker 4: just about an hour north of West Palm Beach, about
Speaker 4: two hours south of Daytona.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, my one of my oldest sisters. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: she's got a mile where she's at. She's in Fort Myers,
Speaker 1: so yeah, but I'm over here in Virginia. Man, I
Speaker 1: woke up to twelveth degree temperatures this morning.
Speaker 2: We don't miss it. We don't miss that. We're from
Speaker 2: We're from central Illinois where they're dealing with that same
Speaker 2: stuff right now. And we were always we got three
Speaker 2: inches of snow, and I'll send a picture with a ruler.
Speaker 2: I like, we got eight inches of sunshine, you know,
Speaker 2: and they're like, shut up rubbing it in, you know.
Speaker 2: But right we we got a good down here. We
Speaker 2: know we do, but it's still a little bit colder than.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's cold for you guys. Yeah, I get bad,
Speaker 1: but I was gonna. I didn't know that's where you
Speaker 1: guys were located. I was like, wow, where are they
Speaker 1: at because most of the country is getting cold temperature,
Speaker 1: you know, even here. Yeah, I mean coal for that's
Speaker 1: cold for you guys. Yeah, Like I wish we had
Speaker 1: shifty degrees up here because I mean the snow that
Speaker 1: we got in our ear, I think it was like
Speaker 1: five six inches we got, but then it was all
Speaker 1: ice layered on top. So all our snow is hard,
Speaker 1: crunching snow. It's finally starting to melt just a little bit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the roads are all clear.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was nothing with messing with my wife's brother.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is just insane weather we're dealing with
Speaker 2: down there. I had to wear a shirt with sleeves today.
Speaker 2: This is nonsense. He's like, no layers, no layers, no man,
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 5: I've I've had to wear my hoodie to work for
Speaker 5: two weeks straight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two weeks straight. I've only taken it off, and I've.
Speaker 2: Got sons that wear I've got sons that wear hoodies
Speaker 2: and it's one hundred and ten. Drives me crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love wearing my hood I got it right here,
Speaker 1: just here. I mean, I'm comfortable here in the garage.
Speaker 1: But we have a heater out here. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's comfortable right now. But I kept it here near
Speaker 1: me if I got cool, because I mean, I'm right
Speaker 1: up against the door, so I'm I got my uh
Speaker 1: my fermals, my fermals on the bottom, and then I
Speaker 1: got short sleeved on top of it, and I'm in sweatpants.
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty comfortable. Layer.
Speaker 2: You look a little bit like you like you've lost
Speaker 2: something less than I've seen you too.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're talking about the beer. Yeah, yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: keeping it short. Yeah, only because uh uh there's new
Speaker 1: employment that's right around the corner, so I had to
Speaker 1: kind of clean up for that, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, we're working on that.
Speaker 2: So let's let's let's talk about Let's let's dive right
Speaker 2: in and talk a little bit about some of the things
Speaker 2: that you're involved with, because you got your hands full
Speaker 2: with some stuff, and then we'll get into your encounters
Speaker 2: and things you've experienced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't know where to begin. I guess, well,
Speaker 1: the first thing, I mean, I got stuff coming up.
Speaker 1: Of course, we're hosting a local uh what I call
Speaker 1: a big foot in lunch gathering. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a town hall meeting. However, it's going to be at
Speaker 1: a very cool location, which it's only an hour south
Speaker 1: of me, and I've never been there, but it's a
Speaker 1: restaurant called Legendary Eats. Uh. Because I've already cut talked
Speaker 1: to the owners and they were very cool. They were
Speaker 1: totally all for me putting my little meeting there because yeah,
Speaker 1: some of my research team we're going to be attending there,
Speaker 1: and we're hoping anyone all set wants to come out
Speaker 1: within the surrounding area or whatever. It's a free event.
Speaker 1: The only thing that's going to cost you is to
Speaker 1: buy off the menu if you want to eat, uh,
Speaker 1: eat with us. Uh. Their menu is very cool. They've
Speaker 1: got some very tasty stuff on there. But the title
Speaker 1: of their menu it's all big foot en cryptied bean
Speaker 1: food items. So nice. Uh?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Is that just for that? Is it just for that night?
Speaker 2: Start Daniel? Is it just for that night that their
Speaker 2: menus like that? Or is that all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's all the time. And yeah and that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the restaurant called Legend Legendary Eats, so and they're signed
Speaker 1: that hangs outside of their diner, a cafe, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it. And it's got the big Foot
Speaker 1: on it, which is very cool. So cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I was, like, where else to
Speaker 1: have a place like that. I've been thinking about this
Speaker 1: for a long time. And then I say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I hadn't had a gathering since well it's probably been
Speaker 1: on this a couple of years, so it's time for
Speaker 1: me to do another gathering. And uh so yeah, anybody
Speaker 1: that's like minded, it's interested or curious or again, if
Speaker 1: you have a story or an experience, we want you
Speaker 1: to come out and join it. I mean February eighth
Speaker 1: in Lexington, Virginia. So that's what we got coming up
Speaker 1: for the next month. Of course, jumping ahead, uh up
Speaker 1: to the month of May. I host group campouts twice
Speaker 1: a year. The group campouts we do expedition. Uh it's
Speaker 1: you expbedition style. We can't h we hike and explore.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, we you know, we we put all
Speaker 1: our gizmos and gadgets to the test, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: and uh, one way or another, we always experienced something. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it may not be always exciting from one
Speaker 1: year to the next. I mean, you just never know
Speaker 1: what to expect when you have these campouts. But our
Speaker 1: campouts are in areas where there's been reported sightings. It's
Speaker 1: very remote on the most part. Uh, Like there's one
Speaker 1: area that we're currently working right now that we were
Speaker 1: we were at back in October where reach there in May.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we definitely we've already been in discussions of
Speaker 1: what we want to do during that camp out. We're
Speaker 1: going to do some uh specialized what I call steakouts.
Speaker 1: Our group, our camp out, our base camp. It's out
Speaker 1: there in the woods, but it's also into opening so
Speaker 1: to get more our steakouts will be a little bit
Speaker 1: further into the woods where you actually got to get
Speaker 1: deep into the woods, I mean, don't get wrongs where
Speaker 1: you're Even though it's in an open area where our
Speaker 1: camp is, you're still pretty far out there because it
Speaker 1: takes you a good way to get out to that
Speaker 1: open spive. Then of course from there you've got to
Speaker 1: go further beyond a fun fact about our last group
Speaker 1: camp out. Now, yeah, we came across some very cool stuff,
Speaker 1: interesting structures and stuff like that, some possible tracks. However,
Speaker 1: during the end of the camp site, my good friends
Speaker 1: Melissa and David were still there at camp, and then
Speaker 1: there was another couple that came down from Pennsylvania that
Speaker 1: were camping with us. Well, that couple decided to, you know,
Speaker 1: ride from camp the head down to the lake and
Speaker 1: then there's a gate. Once you drive down through the
Speaker 1: woods on this gravel road. You got a park of
Speaker 1: this one little gravel spot. There's a gate there. And
Speaker 1: then of course the lake is so far so farther back,
Speaker 1: you've got to hike your way back there because they
Speaker 1: don't allow people to drive back there. However, when they
Speaker 1: were pulling into the campsite, I'm sorry, I have a
Speaker 1: brain fart trying to remember her name, but Paul's wife
Speaker 1: went while her husband was pulling his truck in the park,
Speaker 1: she was already looking over and looking at something. And
Speaker 1: keep in mind, she does not get out into the woods.
Speaker 1: She doesn't understand whild life. She don't know, she's never
Speaker 1: really seen much of what it looks like and how
Speaker 1: it's presented in the wild. She might have seen things
Speaker 1: on TV, but to see things in person is a
Speaker 1: whole different story. Her claim was like, she's telling her husband,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, there's a bear over there. There's a bear.
Speaker 1: There's a bear right there, and she didn't know that.
Speaker 1: She didn't share the details of this information. So after
Speaker 1: they left and got back to camp, I started talking
Speaker 1: with David and Melissa, and when she started sharing these details,
Speaker 1: her husband's like, you didn't tell me this information. Basically,
Speaker 1: what she saw when she was looking over her shoulder
Speaker 1: as her husband was pulling in to the right, she's
Speaker 1: looking over towards the gate and she's keep in mind
Speaker 1: again she thinks it's the bear. She sees this bear
Speaker 1: standing there on two feet behind the tree, and next
Speaker 1: thing other, she's like, she's got her eyes locked on
Speaker 1: it and she's seeing it, watching it. And from from
Speaker 1: where it was standing, she saw it run on two
Speaker 1: feet so fast and across that little fourth road into
Speaker 1: the embankment and down through the woods. And you know,
Speaker 1: I went off with this beard. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: you know, for anyone to understands black bears, we all
Speaker 1: know that they are capable of they are able to
Speaker 1: stand on two feet. They've been known to walk on
Speaker 1: two feet, which is not that common, right, But the
Speaker 1: way she described the speed was super fast and being
Speaker 1: on two feet standing up, everybody on a camp was like,
Speaker 1: whoa wait a minute, are you sure it was on
Speaker 1: two feet and it ran real fast? You did not
Speaker 1: see a bear and she described it it was the
Speaker 1: most six feet tall. So I learned about this, and
Speaker 1: they actually went back there and actually did a video reenactment,
Speaker 1: well not not really a reenactment, but in the explanation
Speaker 1: at the location we're having. They sent me that video. Uh,
Speaker 1: after I learned about this, they sent me the video
Speaker 1: where Paul was recording his wife. I actually included in
Speaker 1: our last little the film that I put together of
Speaker 1: that whole camp out with our investigation and everything, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, there's details at the end of that film.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I'm kind of excited because, you know,
Speaker 1: the thing is this particular location before I have ever
Speaker 1: camped there before. Well, I've actually camped there once several
Speaker 1: years ago before we actually did our group camp out there,
Speaker 1: but I've learned of various reports of sightings from bear
Speaker 1: hunters that have seen them and then other reports from
Speaker 1: people claim to see them on or Actually I had
Speaker 1: a group of young guys thirty forty miles away in
Speaker 1: another area off camped in. They saw my vehicle, my
Speaker 1: Chevy Blazer that I had with my details on it,
Speaker 1: and I guess they felt the urge to stop and
Speaker 1: talk to me, and they pull out their phone and
Speaker 1: pull out this picture. And here's a picture of a
Speaker 1: trackway and we in snow, maybe only a couple of
Speaker 1: inches deep on this road, and there's how probably the
Speaker 1: best look of tracks I've ever seen, and very clear,
Speaker 1: just thing you can tell. These things are huge and
Speaker 1: they're going down on the edge of this road, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking maybe it was something nearby. I said, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I asked him. I said, where are they from?
Speaker 1: They named the location. It's like my job on drop
Speaker 1: because at that point I've already camp there once. And
Speaker 1: I said, are you serious. So there's there's definitely a
Speaker 1: bigfoot or we could say a monster, because these things
Speaker 1: are huge. Based off of what I've seen on this picture,
Speaker 1: there was a long trackway on this road and that
Speaker 1: road is just on just on the outside of where
Speaker 1: we can so, uh, yeah, there's there's some very interesting
Speaker 1: activity that happens there. I mean, I've heard stories of
Speaker 1: mountain lions up there, people have people have seen mountain
Speaker 1: lines up there. I mean I have seen a black
Speaker 1: panther or if you want to call it camp I
Speaker 1: see a black cat, you know, in my main research
Speaker 1: area in twenty fifteen, so I know they're around. So
Speaker 1: so yeah, I kind of went off course. I explain
Speaker 1: what we got going on here. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: camp out and everything, but I wanted to share that
Speaker 1: because that's something I learned to after. Yeah, I don't apologize.
Speaker 2: We love we love here and all of all the
Speaker 2: experiences if you've come across I. I kind of want
Speaker 2: to go back to something you you mentioned that. I
Speaker 2: think it's kind of by design when you have trails
Speaker 2: that there are no militar y hicals, no electric bikes,
Speaker 2: and the trail is six hundred yards before you get
Speaker 2: to the tree line. I think that is by design
Speaker 2: because most people don't want to make that six hundred
Speaker 2: yard trek until you get to the trees, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I think that's kind of by design.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's almost like a turn because we
Speaker 2: come across that a lot in some of our research
Speaker 2: areas where we're like, I want to get to that
Speaker 2: set of trees, but it's a quarter mile away. It's
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's it's a half a mile away.
Speaker 2: You can see it, and it looks like an amazing area,
Speaker 2: but it's all sun the entire way, you know, and
Speaker 2: you got to come back through and whatnot. It almost
Speaker 2: seems like.
Speaker 1: You can turn it absolutely. I mean, that's how it
Speaker 1: is in most of the area. Like here in Virginia,
Speaker 1: we have what they call the George Washington National Forests,
Speaker 1: and of course there's another you know, there's other national
Speaker 1: forests are joined to it. However, if you look at
Speaker 1: the pattern or the territory of the George Washington National
Speaker 1: Forest right here in Virginia, which is over one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty or one hundred and thirty plus thousand acres
Speaker 1: of land, and that doesn't include the other territories that
Speaker 1: are connects to you, like West Virginia and other forests
Speaker 1: running the other states down south well well throughout the
Speaker 1: national forest. You know, it depends on what area because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different branches of the National Forest.
Speaker 1: Like in my my main location, you could go in there.
Speaker 1: You've got the main Force road that runs through there. Uh,
Speaker 1: then you have these primitive camp sites, and then of
Speaker 1: course you have these other roads that branch off, but
Speaker 1: you have to park and hype them in because they're
Speaker 1: not made for you know, there's laws because there's gates
Speaker 1: there said no vehicle will be on this point. You know,
Speaker 1: foot traffic only, blah blah blah. Foot traffic. That includes
Speaker 1: if you're hiking or if you're on horseback. They welcome
Speaker 1: horseback riders as long as there's no motorized vehicle. And yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that up here in Virginia, you know.
Speaker 1: And I don't care where you go, what part of
Speaker 1: the National courts you go, you're gonna find these. And
Speaker 1: there's gates. There's very few, Like in my main area.
Speaker 1: There's this gate. Well, I should let me back up.
Speaker 1: There's this there's one particular road it goes up into
Speaker 1: a high ridge. Now there's a gate on both ends,
Speaker 1: and they do open them up only mainly during when
Speaker 1: there's hunting seasons on you know. So yeah, because on
Speaker 1: the one end, there's no driving up if you've got it,
Speaker 1: because the way it goes up at a sharp angle
Speaker 1: straight up the gates right on the bottom. So if
Speaker 1: that gates closed, you better find a place somewhere nearby
Speaker 1: the park and then go hike up it unless you're
Speaker 1: on the other end. The other end is a few
Speaker 1: miles out. If you go all the way around to
Speaker 1: come back on it the gate, you could drive up
Speaker 1: a little further until you hit that gate. But yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of these roads have gates in them, but
Speaker 1: like I said, there's only one gate one road that
Speaker 1: has the access to open up throughout the different times
Speaker 1: a year. Other than that, all these other gates stay
Speaker 1: closed some of them. The only ones that have access
Speaker 1: to them are your forest service people. You know, uh,
Speaker 1: maybe you're our emergency staff. If somebody went hike in
Speaker 1: and got hurt up there, and they you know, had
Speaker 1: some kind of call or hey, so and so is
Speaker 1: up this low. Of course they have all their off
Speaker 1: road gear equipment right up there. But which I've only
Speaker 1: seen that happen one time so far. Hopefully nobody else
Speaker 1: does nothing stupid to get hurt or whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 1: because people do go out there and they know they're
Speaker 1: in a remote area, they can do what the heck
Speaker 1: they want on the most part, especially when they want
Speaker 1: to avoid or disregard the laws, you know, in safety
Speaker 1: rules because you're in it. You're out there in the forest.
Speaker 1: There's wild animals out there, and and the terrain. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's depends on where you're hiking or venturing into. The
Speaker 1: terrain is not safe, you know. You know. So, so yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that out there. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: study a lot of these areas off of geographical map
Speaker 1: as well. Like some of the areas I've been to you,
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to see what it looks
Speaker 1: like on a geographical map, and also there's other areas
Speaker 1: I have not been into. You So when I'm studying
Speaker 1: these of these maps or the layers of the terrain,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, okay, this looks interesting. You know.
Speaker 1: It's you know, if I was a big foot, where
Speaker 1: would I be hiding? You know. So I'm looking at
Speaker 1: deep terrain, deep in these you know, these hallows between
Speaker 1: these ridges, and look at Okay, there's water source there.
Speaker 1: These are the areas I want to go vet your in,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I'll find something there, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I do a lot of research of studying,
Speaker 1: of observing the maps uh. And on occasions I'll look
Speaker 1: up I'll go on Google. I'll go on Google and
Speaker 1: actually look up Google Earth of these locations. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: might you might find something I've heard. On some rare occasions,
Speaker 1: I can't say I have, but I've had others look
Speaker 1: on Google Earth claim to have seen these images on
Speaker 1: there that could be possible bigfoot. I mean, uh, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say it's not, but you know, I was like,
Speaker 1: how do you know they're big?
Speaker 3: But you can't.
Speaker 1: There's a doc a dark spot there. It could be
Speaker 1: just a bear. You know here in Virginia show Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: tree shadows and stuff like that. Yeah, I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of that. But I mean, we have a lot
Speaker 1: of black bears right here in Virginia alone, you know,
Speaker 1: and I know they're up down the East Coat.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You guys had a lot of black bears there.
Speaker 1: Oh yes. Uh. Throughout my travels or when I say travels,
Speaker 1: my hiking and them exploring, I've had a lotting kinds
Speaker 1: of bears. On the most part, most of them have
Speaker 1: been distant, but there's been a few close, close, uh encounters.
Speaker 1: None of them have ever have ever been threatening in
Speaker 1: any way shape or form because a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't understand. On the most part, black bears are very
Speaker 1: skittish and shy. I even I had woken up to
Speaker 1: a bear one time. I didn't see it. It was on
Speaker 1: the other on the outside of my tent. I was
Speaker 1: just waking up, you know, and I was waking up.
Speaker 1: I was like, the hell and I was trying to
Speaker 1: you hear front and then you hear the paths of
Speaker 1: it run off, because I think I spooked it. When
Speaker 1: I was like, I was more, I was still waking up.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know when you wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning some night you're if you kind of drag
Speaker 1: me and you're making your grunts noise and stretching or
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing to wake up. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it was right there because I woke up. I was,
Speaker 1: I was alert enough to hear you can hear sniffing,
Speaker 1: you know, and then so I was like till I
Speaker 1: made my noise out and then you hear like I
Speaker 1: was like, and then you hear the paths run off
Speaker 1: real quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got up like that was a bear, you know.
Speaker 1: I think I'm like, I was like, he was awful clothes.
Speaker 1: I said, bears usually bears don't. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: never thought bears would come in that close, you know.
Speaker 1: But I didn't have no food around. There's no food.
Speaker 1: I always put my food away. That one particular moment,
Speaker 1: after I got up and woke up in my thing,
Speaker 1: I did look around. You can see bear. It can
Speaker 1: be all around the camp and it was turrounding area.
Speaker 1: So yeah, bears sniff around. I mean, you know, because
Speaker 1: you know, most of the time, they're usually more active
Speaker 1: at night. But most of my bears, I have seen
Speaker 1: them during the daytime. So like they say, bears are
Speaker 1: more nocturnal, it's not only the case. Again, most of
Speaker 1: my sightings and bears were during the daytime. I've seen
Speaker 1: them run outside of other people's campsites at night. But
Speaker 1: you know, so, yeah, my area. What's that I said?
Speaker 2: I said, we left out your podcast. I know that's
Speaker 2: starting up and I don't want to forget about that.
Speaker 2: You got a podcast?
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, my podcast. Yeah. Well see,
Speaker 1: I've I've been running my podcast for a good long
Speaker 1: time now, but I've my last before I started up
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. It was actually a year with
Speaker 1: my last podcast However, I got like four or five
Speaker 1: new episodes going on for twenty twenty five. I'm bringing
Speaker 1: it back and excuse me. A good friend of mine
Speaker 1: that's based out here in Virginia it's actually reached out
Speaker 1: to me and introduced something to me. He has a
Speaker 1: studio here in Virginia and he's he does a podcast
Speaker 1: and the name of his company it's a it's a
Speaker 1: company and a podcast studio. It's called Media Squatch. And
Speaker 1: when he started presenting this to me, he started explaining
Speaker 1: a few things and gave me, hey, I want to
Speaker 1: throw this out there. I want to throw the invitation
Speaker 1: out to you, blah blah blah. And next you know,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm really liking the idea of this.
Speaker 1: I'm really liking this because I'm not in this like
Speaker 1: for the money, so there's no money involved. Anyway. My
Speaker 1: biggest thing is spreading awareness and putting the word out there.
Speaker 1: The more we could do that excellent And that was
Speaker 1: the biggest part of why I decided to join with
Speaker 1: his network again, Media Swatch. My my podcast is e
Speaker 1: c v r O Bigfoot Radio. Now. For the longest time,
Speaker 1: I you know, I was doing the video podcast just
Speaker 1: like this, and I decided to start charting my podcast
Speaker 1: into on the turning into the radio platform. So a
Speaker 1: lot of my video platform podcasts I just started abtracting
Speaker 1: the audios from them and then use and towards my radio.
Speaker 1: So now since I started back for the new year,
Speaker 1: it's strictly all audio. I still use like the same
Speaker 1: platform that you're using. I still use at myself and
Speaker 1: then when they're done, I upload the audio to E C,
Speaker 1: b R or Big Pot Radio. But yeah, we officially
Speaker 1: just got everything moved over to his platform where you
Speaker 1: can still listen to everything on your favorite podcast platform.
Speaker 1: It still gets distributed on you know, Spotify, all your
Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, iHeartRadio, Pen Door and so forth. So but
Speaker 1: we end up you know again, I just decided to
Speaker 1: join forces with him on media Squatch. And as I
Speaker 1: was telling him, I said, when time permits, when I'm
Speaker 1: mad him to, I want to come down to a
Speaker 1: studio because his studio is not just a studio, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a from what I've seen, he kind
Speaker 1: of turned into a kind of like a souvenir gift shop.
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, he's got merchandise for sale there he
Speaker 1: has his own store. He's got tons of shirts and merchandise,
Speaker 1: which he actually sent me a few so I'm waiting
Speaker 1: for that. They should be here very soon. So and uh,
Speaker 1: he he put together some artwork for me. I showed
Speaker 1: him what I already had going on, and then he says,
Speaker 1: I want to put something together for you. If you
Speaker 1: like it, that's cool, we can go with it. Or
Speaker 1: he said no hard feelings, we don't. We leave it
Speaker 1: alone if you want. But he presented to me what
Speaker 1: he did today, and I was like, dude, this is badass.
Speaker 1: I love this. Let's do this, you know. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna actually end up putting on shirts for me
Speaker 1: to promote, you know. And uh so yeah, I'll put
Speaker 1: we put on shirts. Perhaps we'll sell them out my
Speaker 1: event in June here in Virginia. But yeah, e C.
Speaker 1: B r Oor Bigfoot Radio again. It can be heard
Speaker 1: on any of your favorite podcast platforms, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: I still use my YouTube channel. I try to mainly
Speaker 1: use my YouTube channel now for research purposes, field videos,
Speaker 1: any Bigfoot documentaries that I plan on putting together. One
Speaker 1: of the things, like with our last camp out, I
Speaker 1: actually put to get well they ain't the only one.
Speaker 1: I've done a couple of them independently. I put together
Speaker 1: my own documentaries. Uh you know, a lot of it
Speaker 1: was filmed with Like my two documentaries, they were filmed
Speaker 1: usually just use my phone, and I actually surprived myself.
Speaker 1: I thought I did pretty good, was just using my phone. However,
Speaker 1: I have I've had a camcorder, a really nice camp order.
Speaker 1: I just haven't really put it to use much since
Speaker 1: I've owned it, but I'm working on putting that more
Speaker 1: to use, kind of getting familiar with that camp order.
Speaker 1: It's a Canon a X one ten row. It's like
Speaker 1: a seventeen dollars camera that I got a real good
Speaker 1: deal on. I took a chance and gambled. I bought
Speaker 1: it used nowhere near that price, trust me. But again
Speaker 1: I took the chance and started playing around with it,
Speaker 1: started using it, and I am extremely impressed with it.
Speaker 1: I said, you know, for the price of what this
Speaker 1: goes for a brand new and for what I paid
Speaker 1: for it, I said, you can't be any happier. It's
Speaker 1: it's nice. It's even got built in night vision, so
Speaker 1: the night VISI on it is good if you're up close,
Speaker 1: you know, and It works pretty good, but it's I
Speaker 1: used my I have external night vision devices that I
Speaker 1: could add to that, to add to it and actually
Speaker 1: puts out there over twenty thirty feet you know, from
Speaker 1: doing close parts. Yeah, and it works great as long
Speaker 1: as you have a device that's you know, IR cap
Speaker 1: you know, uh, with capabilities. You can add extra attachment
Speaker 1: to it which will project and prighten up and add
Speaker 1: more distance. So that's what I did. So, yeah, we
Speaker 1: did a little bit of that. I used a little
Speaker 1: bit on the last group camp out back in October
Speaker 1: and which I did a lot of the filming right
Speaker 1: around it, mainly around the campsite. I did not take
Speaker 1: the camera out in the woods too much, you know,
Speaker 1: I just kept it. Like I said, I mainly used
Speaker 1: it around the campsite area while we were sitting around
Speaker 1: the fire. I did one of my interviews with another
Speaker 1: individual at night with it. Most of my interviews I
Speaker 1: try to do them during the day. I thought, hey,
Speaker 1: let's whe now, let's let's do one at night. I
Speaker 1: think that'll look cool on here, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's pretty much what I've been doing with you know,
Speaker 1: ecd R big Foot Radio podcast, and like I said
Speaker 1: talking going back to the whole camp out there. Our
Speaker 1: next camp out in May, we will be doing some
Speaker 1: more filming where you actually got to fill our film
Speaker 1: project actually taking place during that time where our filming
Speaker 1: is going to start taking place, we are working on
Speaker 1: a YouTube series. It's going to be basically a documentary
Speaker 1: style documentary series. You know, we want to see how
Speaker 1: that pans out. If it goes in our favor, they will.
Speaker 1: There's another network that we've been talking to after we
Speaker 1: put together what we got. If it's something it's good
Speaker 1: enough for them that they get picked up under their network.
Speaker 1: So so we'll see. It's kind of one of things
Speaker 1: we got to be careful and take our time and
Speaker 1: you know, and uh kind of play it by ear.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot going on with that then. Of course,
Speaker 1: as far as other events go, my annual ECBRO Virginia
Speaker 1: Big Book Conference, it happens every June. This year is
Speaker 1: happening June twentieth and June twenty first. It's a two
Speaker 1: day event. I mean, I've been getting blown up with
Speaker 1: speakers now that we're I'm not excuse me, not speakers, vendors.
Speaker 1: Our speakers are already accounted for We already got them booked,
Speaker 1: but vendors. My emails have been blown up with vendors.
Speaker 1: People want to sign up left and right. So as
Speaker 1: of right now, we got we already got like twenty
Speaker 1: vendors right now, and we got room for a lot more.
Speaker 1: I mean, the indoor space is being filled up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We we have a venue. It's an indoor it's a
Speaker 1: very large building. We have indoor vendors upstairs or where
Speaker 1: the speakers take place, and then we have outside. We're
Speaker 1: going to be filled up the out side before long
Speaker 1: with vendors. We had a nice setup last year with
Speaker 1: the vendors, but this year we're having a mid evil
Speaker 1: renaissance group come in. They're gonna have a couple of
Speaker 1: setups on the inside. However, on the outside they're gonna
Speaker 1: be setting up I'm gonna have I'm gonna have them
Speaker 1: placed in the middle of all the vendors outside. You know,
Speaker 1: I've never been to a renaissance fair. I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to go check one out. But this got presented to
Speaker 1: me by someone who organizes a group of renaissance individuals
Speaker 1: and they do a lot of reenactments. They dressed the
Speaker 1: part well they want to put on battles and demos,
Speaker 1: and I was like, whoa. They set me, you know,
Speaker 1: set me pictures of what it looks like what they're doing.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna put together a promo flyar for that.
Speaker 1: And I think that alone is going to bring in
Speaker 1: a crowd itself. I'm kind of I'm pumped up and
Speaker 1: excited to see that. I think once the public starts
Speaker 1: seeing that, hey, wait a minute, this is a big
Speaker 1: Foot event and they're they're going to be they're having
Speaker 1: this too. You know, I want something for everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want just like you know, I do whatever
Speaker 1: it's possible to bring in skeptics. I don't care if
Speaker 1: you're a believer or not. I want everybody to enjoy themselves.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a community event that's grown. I
Speaker 1: mean we've had guest speakers from out of state. We've
Speaker 1: had attendees from out of state, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: we get people from Washington State on Texas. Yeah, We've
Speaker 1: had Florida come up. You know. So most of my
Speaker 1: speakers this year are all coming down from Pennsylvania. I
Speaker 1: think we have a shoot. I think they're all from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: I can't think right off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: but I know three out of the four. I could
Speaker 1: be wrong. Maybe I'm missing somebody, but I know three
Speaker 1: of them. Maybe four of them are coming from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: I don't know that information is on your via bigfoot
Speaker 2: dot com site, right it should be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to go through my main website and
Speaker 1: update it because there's some information I may have left out,
Speaker 1: so I need to add to that. On my main
Speaker 1: Facebook event page, the Ecbureau Annual Virginia Big for a Conference,
Speaker 1: I do update that as much as possible, So if
Speaker 1: you brow through the different sites on there, the different posts,
Speaker 1: you should see information on there where I try to
Speaker 1: keep updated on that. So that's something I'm going to
Speaker 1: be staying focused on here. As promoting and marketing to
Speaker 1: the event, I'm going to be doing this a lot
Speaker 1: more than I did last year because last year I
Speaker 1: did not promote my Virginia event as big as I
Speaker 1: should have, only because I was actually hosting and putting
Speaker 1: on an event in Pennsylvania for the first time. That
Speaker 1: event got more attention than anything, and we had a
Speaker 1: very beautiful successful turnout there. Again, all my attention went
Speaker 1: to that event and I failed too cool neglect my
Speaker 1: Virginia event. Although we get out of we had a turnout,
Speaker 1: but not as big as what we normally do. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but this year, I think I feel very positive. I
Speaker 1: think some big things are happening. Uh, we'll see what
Speaker 1: happened here. Yeah, I'm feeling very positive about it. I
Speaker 1: really am, considering I've had some situations personally going on
Speaker 1: that put me down on a damper. You know, I
Speaker 1: see some good things happening, you know, all around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get all you positivity and and good things,
Speaker 2: you know, absolutely, and that's good to hear. What Let's
Speaker 2: let's get into some of your let's get in you
Speaker 2: have it. If I remember right, you have an encounter
Speaker 2: of multiple at one time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean there's a lot of different things.
Speaker 2: Don't spare the details. Give us all the details, man,
Speaker 2: don't because uh, I've heard almost all of it, but
Speaker 2: I haven't heard all of it. And and I really
Speaker 2: really am I because I'm gonna ask you a couple
Speaker 2: of questions. They're not put you on the spot questions.
Speaker 1: These Oh no, that's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are questions that I don't think people have
Speaker 2: asked them a certain way to vindicate somebody who's actually
Speaker 2: had an encounter. So let's let's list hear.
Speaker 1: I want to hear about, well, my twenty fourteen encounter.
Speaker 1: I mean, again, I've shared it like numerous times, so
Speaker 1: I get I kind of give you the details. I'll
Speaker 1: be honest with you for those who ever, I mean,
Speaker 1: the more and more I repeat, I was like, I've
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like it might be boring
Speaker 1: to some people, but you know when back when it happened,
Speaker 1: it was exciting to me, and it was exciting to
Speaker 1: those who were included in this. You know, most people,
Speaker 1: when you hear about the reports or their sightings, it's
Speaker 1: usually just a one on one thing or maybe somebody
Speaker 1: else was with them. But my I twenty fourteen encounter,
Speaker 1: this is my visual encounter. I mean I've had other
Speaker 1: experiences along the way and here and there, but for
Speaker 1: a visual this was the only visual I could ever
Speaker 1: really account for it. So during my twenty fourteen group
Speaker 1: camp out, there were six of us that that was
Speaker 1: part of the camp out, you know, and the campout
Speaker 1: was for a whole week long and May third, twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: after the group of us were spending time out in
Speaker 1: the woods doing some hiking during the daytime exploring. We
Speaker 1: decided by the time we came back to camp, hey
Speaker 1: let's rest, let's kind of relax, get something to eat,
Speaker 1: and you know, we more or less, you know, pretty
Speaker 1: much chilled out there at camp. Well, somebody brought up
Speaker 1: I forget who it was, but somebody brought up like, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go out tonight. And of course I was all
Speaker 1: for it. I mean, I was like, yeah, we're here
Speaker 1: for We're here to explore, We're here to investigate. You know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have fun with I'm sorry, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1: I kicked my try Yeah, I had my phone sitting
Speaker 1: on my tripod and I kicked it over. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, like I said, uh, I said, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: do that for sure. So I want to say it
Speaker 1: was in the evening, but it was still daylight when
Speaker 1: when we decided to step away from camp, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: leave camp. We got together again. It was in the evening,
Speaker 1: it was still daylight, and what we decided to do
Speaker 1: is there's a lake in the area. The lake was
Speaker 1: almost a mile from where our camp was, so we
Speaker 1: just sat out on foot head down to the lake,
Speaker 1: and we decided, yeah, why not, let's just walk down
Speaker 1: there and head down there. And what was nice about it.
Speaker 1: By the time we got down there, we realized there
Speaker 1: was nobody there because usually there's people fishing, but there
Speaker 1: was not one person out there. So I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. We got this whole lake to ourselves.
Speaker 1: So what we did we decided, okay, let's split up,
Speaker 1: and we split up in Paris of two because we
Speaker 1: had a couple that came all the way down from Vermont,
Speaker 1: Kimmy and Darren and less Darren still he's actually no
Speaker 1: longer here now. Yeah, he actually passed away about a
Speaker 1: year ago. But anyway, Kimmy and Darren was with us,
Speaker 1: and it was me, a gentleman by the name of
Speaker 1: Cliff Stanley, my buddy Tracy Arnold, and his son, his
Speaker 1: son Elijah there. He was only about fourteen at the time.
Speaker 1: So the six of us, yeah, we spread around the lake,
Speaker 1: and Kimmy and Darren, we we let them stay. At
Speaker 1: the beginning of late there's actually a little peninsula that
Speaker 1: goes out and well it used to be a bed share.
Speaker 1: Ben is no longer there. I don't know somebody destroyed
Speaker 1: that thing, but it was nice to have out there.
Speaker 1: But uh, anyway, by the time we got settled, it
Speaker 1: spread out around the lake, it was already starting to
Speaker 1: get dark, and but we all had radio communication, and we,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody at a radio. We stayed in communication
Speaker 1: with each other, and we you know, we didn't really
Speaker 1: have much going on, but it got to the point
Speaker 1: where I radio down to Kimmy. Now, one thing I
Speaker 1: like to brag about this because Kimmy, for anyone who's
Speaker 1: ever heard a Bobo from Finding Bigfoot give off his vocalization. Yeah, Kimmy.
Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, she's just the short little thing.
Speaker 1: Jimmy's small, but I've always been impressed by her vocalizations.
Speaker 1: But the one thing I'll brag about is Kimmy has
Speaker 1: a settled lungs on her and but when she deservoualization,
Speaker 1: I swear it's the female version of Bobo. So she's like,
Speaker 1: really good at what she does. So I was like, Kimmy,
Speaker 1: I'm on the radio. I was like, hey, go ahead
Speaker 1: and give off one of your vocalizations. And then meanwhile
Speaker 1: everyone else kind of quiet and chill out, you know,
Speaker 1: So sure enough we're all quiet, We're waiting for Kimmy
Speaker 1: to sound off, and then she sounds off. She gives
Speaker 1: off a good vocalization, and then after she's done, we're
Speaker 1: all listening. And while we're listening, within mo probably a
Speaker 1: good ten seconds or so, probably from the opposite ridge
Speaker 1: from where we all were, we do get a response,
Speaker 1: not entirely show what it was. It could have been
Speaker 1: a coyote or something, but we did get a pile back,
Speaker 1: you know, from her vocalization. So that kind of gave
Speaker 1: us a little, you know, ampus up a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, I was like, okay, maybe got something going
Speaker 1: on now, But after that nothing, we had nothing else
Speaker 1: going on now here it is is dark outside. We're
Speaker 1: all still spreading around the lake. Kneecliff, then Tracy and
Speaker 1: his son Elijah, and then Kimmy and Darren down on
Speaker 1: the other end, and a couple of us had parabolic microphones,
Speaker 1: more the ones we had at the time. They're known
Speaker 1: as bionic years. They worked real good. They work pretty good.
Speaker 1: They pick up sound up to three hundred feet. But
Speaker 1: keep in mind, from where we were at around the lake,
Speaker 1: there was a ridge right up behind us, and you know,
Speaker 1: we were here and stuff. We ended up starting to
Speaker 1: hear a few things, like some limb snapping, sounded like
Speaker 1: there was some football up there, but most of the
Speaker 1: time I think it was probably just deer or all
Speaker 1: the wildlife moving in. You know. So at time I
Speaker 1: had gone by and like we weren't getting no activity,
Speaker 1: we weren't really hearing anything, and we decided to, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: it's really late, let's regroup, let's head back to camp.
Speaker 6: Well, we're headed back to camp, and keep in mind,
Speaker 6: at this time it's really late, and the time was
Speaker 6: probably around midnight, and we're walking front when we all
Speaker 6: ask to.
Speaker 1: Bathe regrouped and decided to head back to camp. You know,
Speaker 1: we got our headlights on and we're walking and we're
Speaker 1: walking a single fire line and I'm actually leading everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm in the praise front. We're all talking in normal tone,
Speaker 1: and uh as we're walking out, you know, I look
Speaker 1: up and I was like, oh, whoa, okay, cool, there's
Speaker 1: a deer walking right towards us, like just nonchalantly, just
Speaker 1: walking right towards us. It's like, whyd this deer scared?
Speaker 1: It should have already ran off, But sure enough, the
Speaker 1: deer just like maybe ten feet out in front of me.
Speaker 1: It just like takes his time. It turns off nonchalantly,
Speaker 1: and just like you know, continues it further disappears further
Speaker 1: into the Dartmt. You know. You know again, I know
Speaker 1: the deer smart around that area. It's like they know
Speaker 1: it wasn't hunting seasons, so they weren't spook. I know.
Speaker 1: But even then, a deer that close should have been spook.
Speaker 1: They should have like took, you know, jolted off, but
Speaker 1: it didn't. It was like, hey, like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to think of it, and I thought that was
Speaker 1: odd for some reason. But after it turned off and disappeared,
Speaker 1: I noticed that. Okay, well, after a disappeard, We're walking
Speaker 1: along and all of a sudden something catches my attention
Speaker 1: and I was like, what the heck is that. I
Speaker 1: stopped in my tracks and I'm looking. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: focus my eyes because you know, my headlamp, my headlamp
Speaker 1: is reflecting off something. And don't get me wrong, for
Speaker 1: the first my first initial spot was, okay, I'm picking
Speaker 1: up one of the little reflective signs. Sometimes throughout the
Speaker 1: National Forest, there's RaSE these little signs, little yellow signs
Speaker 1: and usually all they say is no vehicles beyond this point,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, that's what I'm paying picking up. But
Speaker 1: it was kind of like it wasn't it was fuzzy,
Speaker 1: it was blurry. I was like, then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it became a focus. That's where I realized it
Speaker 1: actually blinked. And when it blinked it I realized it
Speaker 1: was actually a set of eyeshine looking at me. I
Speaker 1: was like, what the heck is that? And from my
Speaker 1: distance and want to look at it was kind of
Speaker 1: setting kind of low. And my buddy Tracy was the
Speaker 1: next one behind me. I said, Tracy, what the heck
Speaker 1: is that he's seeing? He's looking right at what I'm
Speaker 1: looking at, and our head lamps wereke glued on all
Speaker 1: you see these bright looking, yellow looking eyes and they
Speaker 1: were kind of setting kind of low. And when he's
Speaker 1: noticed it, I was like, is that a freaking mountain lion?
Speaker 1: Of course I use other language at the time, because
Speaker 1: I was like kind of pumped up. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I was. I didn't know what to think. And
Speaker 1: I was like, we're staring at this and we watch
Speaker 1: it like jet off, like it chose out of the area, like,
Speaker 1: what the heck next? You know, Tracy's telling the rest
Speaker 1: of the group, guys, get up here. We got some
Speaker 1: eye shine. It was exciting because we we we just
Speaker 1: weren't able to identify it at that time. You know,
Speaker 1: it could have been anything. So we get up into
Speaker 1: the area. We all regroup and we're in that very
Speaker 1: single spot where we've seen that set eye shine, and
Speaker 1: we're all standing together in our little cusser group and
Speaker 1: we're looking down in the woods. And to keep in mind,
Speaker 1: from where we were standing, the ground did slip down
Speaker 1: settle feet and the level back out, and we're looking
Speaker 1: down there and all of a sudden, but there it
Speaker 1: is again, a good between thirty and forty feet out.
Speaker 1: Now it was in I guess what you would call
Speaker 1: a clearing because there was a lot of trees and
Speaker 1: bushes in there. But we picked up the set of
Speaker 1: eyeshine again. And even though we're looking down at it,
Speaker 1: you know, you can still tell we estimated whatever that
Speaker 1: was at that time was about maybe no more than
Speaker 1: four feet tall. But here's the interesting thing about this
Speaker 1: set of eye shine. Even though we're not picking up
Speaker 1: any physical details or seeing any shape, or anything. We're
Speaker 1: seeing the eye shine, and it was doing a sway
Speaker 1: in motion side to side pretty swiftly. You know, this
Speaker 1: is interesting. What the heck is this? And we're all
Speaker 1: focused on seeing this set of eye shine, just to
Speaker 1: see it, you know, going side to side pretty swiftly. Well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even maybe it was less than five minutes.
Speaker 1: It was somewhere between two to three minutes or so.
Speaker 1: Over to the right of that one, maybe about another
Speaker 1: four or five feet or so, another set of eye
Speaker 1: shine appeared, same color eye shine, a little larger, but
Speaker 1: also a little taller by at least two feet, easily
Speaker 1: two feet, So we have a four foot subject the
Speaker 1: swaying side to side. That like, I'm not registering what
Speaker 1: the heck this could be. And I'm very familiar with
Speaker 1: a lot of wildlife in the area. And here we are,
Speaker 1: we have a second set of eye shine that's appearing.
Speaker 1: It didn't have any movement except the eye shine blink
Speaker 1: a few times. That would make sense. Whatever we're looking at.
Speaker 1: We all had someone us had some bright lights on
Speaker 1: our heads, you know. But then again it's just we
Speaker 1: believe it was just outside of that beam of light,
Speaker 1: you know, I just it wasn't making no sense. But
Speaker 1: we're looking at two sets of eyes, one swaying inside
Speaker 1: the side, the other one just looking at us with
Speaker 1: blinking its eyes on occasions, and so you know, it's
Speaker 1: like I'm basically almost scratching my head, you know, and
Speaker 1: not at all, not during one moment in my thinking
Speaker 1: that you know, these could be squatches. I'm not even
Speaker 1: thinking about Big Port, the sasquatch or anything at the moment.
Speaker 1: Then while we're all observing this, I start kind of
Speaker 1: looking around. I start slowly panning my eyes to the right,
Speaker 1: and you can see some bushes, you can see the trees,
Speaker 1: and it's really dark. But all of a sudden, my
Speaker 1: headlamp or whatever, I'm picking up another set of eye shine,
Speaker 1: a third set of eye shine. This third set of
Speaker 1: eye shine looked like it was literally almost on the
Speaker 1: ground itself, and it's like I'm staring at it. I'm
Speaker 1: like my eyes are glued on it. And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, while I'm staring at this third set of eyeshine,
Speaker 1: I'm watching it kind of grow like raise up, and
Speaker 1: like it was slow, but it kept raising up. I
Speaker 1: watched it. I kept my eyes on it. And it
Speaker 1: came over top of the bushes, and by the time
Speaker 1: it stopped, I swear to you, is stopped another two
Speaker 1: feet over top from the six foot one, the one
Speaker 1: that we estimated to be six foot. So now here
Speaker 1: we are, we have three different sets of eyes at
Speaker 1: three different sets of height levels, a four foot, six
Speaker 1: foot and another two feet taller. So there was our
Speaker 1: eight foot. Now my buddy Tracy, he was watching some
Speaker 1: of the two and he's the one that spoke up
Speaker 1: and said, guys, we got squatches. Now, as I tell everybody,
Speaker 1: I wanted to believe that. I really did. I just
Speaker 1: needed something more to confirm that because we're just seeing
Speaker 1: eye shines. We're not seeing no physical shapes, we're not
Speaker 1: seeing no details and nothing, just eye shine. Well, it
Speaker 1: did get a little interesting because that tall one actually
Speaker 1: made a maneuver. It turned to its left, or at
Speaker 1: least appeared to it turned to its left and had
Speaker 1: taken a step or two. And then when it turned
Speaker 1: back looking right back of us, back at us, blinking
Speaker 1: his eyes. Well, I believe the light, the light and
Speaker 1: angle and position, everything just worked together all at once,
Speaker 1: because what I saw, without no mistake, without doubt, was
Speaker 1: a set of very wide, broad shoulders and a big
Speaker 1: round head sitting on top. And I'm like, you gotta
Speaker 1: be kidding me, because I knew this was not no bears.
Speaker 1: Bears don't have shoulders. Bears from their heads sloped straight down,
Speaker 1: this went out. These were very wide and broad, and
Speaker 1: here it is eight feet tall. What the heck else
Speaker 1: is this going to be? And this is where, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of relating to what Tracy said, I don't know
Speaker 1: what gave him the thought that these are squatches. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw something different than I did,
Speaker 1: but from after seeing that shape, I was convinced that
Speaker 1: these word squatches and what else would they have been?
Speaker 1: I mean because after observing that, it wasn't long after
Speaker 1: that where it looked like all three of them turned
Speaker 1: off and disappeared further into the darkness. And after disappearing,
Speaker 1: we decided, okay, guys, let's head back to camp. But
Speaker 1: we're walking along and you can hear the treat, you know,
Speaker 1: you can hear in the woods, like like limbsnapping and
Speaker 1: you know, whatever they're stepping on. Kimmy, Kimmy was the
Speaker 1: only one that ever expressed anything that's any type of
Speaker 1: fear or nervousness. However, it was exciting for everybody. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, maybe could I felt scared? Would
Speaker 1: I could I have felt fear? I think if I
Speaker 1: observe all that by myself, it could have been a
Speaker 1: different situation. But I think because having other people with
Speaker 1: me was a whole different scenario. But Jimmy was the
Speaker 1: one that was like that after we started walking away,
Speaker 1: She's like, she started freaking out, like guys are following us.
Speaker 1: I say, they're just walking through the woods. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they're following us. I mean. But we made it back
Speaker 1: to camp, and we were back at camp, we were talking.
Speaker 1: We still stayed talking about this, and we were still
Speaker 1: trying to talk and trying to debunk it, you know.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't again after we got back to camp
Speaker 1: and we were finally settling down. Me and Tracy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me and Tracy were the only ones. And this is
Speaker 1: what we kicked. We kicked ourselves, I know, I do.
Speaker 1: I'm kicking myself with the butter about from this till
Speaker 1: this very day, because me and Tracy were the only
Speaker 1: ones that had night vision in our backpacks, and not
Speaker 1: once during the whole situation. Did we ever think about
Speaker 1: pulling our night vision devices out to get a better
Speaker 1: observation and so yeah, yeah we had them, but we
Speaker 1: never thought about pulling them out. So yeah, we were
Speaker 1: pretty much kicking ourselves in the butt over all this,
Speaker 1: and like we could have learned a little bit more,
Speaker 1: we could have seen a little bit more, got some
Speaker 1: better details. But we did go back the next day
Speaker 1: and we went to the very same spot and we
Speaker 1: actually did a height comparison and come to find out
Speaker 1: from what we estimated, Yeah, our height comparison with our
Speaker 1: estimates were pretty much on point. You know, me and
Speaker 1: Chlas Stanley were the tallest ones there. He was probably
Speaker 1: about six He's probably about six two six three. I'm
Speaker 1: only about six foot. But you know, going into the
Speaker 1: same spot where we've seen the tallest one, you know,
Speaker 1: we raised our hands above our head from whoever was
Speaker 1: standing all over on the edge of the roadway at
Speaker 1: the distance that we were seeing on that, uh, everything
Speaker 1: was pretty much on point, the distance, from the views,
Speaker 1: the height, and yeah, we were pretty good. I think
Speaker 1: we were pretty good on estimating everything. Everything was pretty
Speaker 1: close to be an accurate there. And but yeah, again
Speaker 1: that's what we all witnessed together. I wasn't alone, so
Speaker 1: there was five others that seen all this. And one
Speaker 1: other little fun fact about this I thought was exciting
Speaker 1: when I learned about this was Cliff Stanley that was
Speaker 1: with us, had his camp order out. He was actually
Speaker 1: filming the whole situation the whole time. And when I
Speaker 1: learned about this, I was excited. But after observing what
Speaker 1: he pulled up and put together on film, was like
Speaker 1: it was a major drag. I mean, it was a
Speaker 1: major letdown because all you see is pretty much us
Speaker 1: in the film reacting and being excited about this. And
Speaker 1: now some people claim, I don't know. I just don't
Speaker 1: see it. Some people claim they seen the eyes ghine,
Speaker 1: they seen what we were. It's just in the video.
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. I mean the video as
Speaker 1: far as I know, it's still on YouTube on the
Speaker 1: Cliff Stanley's YouTube channel. I hadn't looked at it in forever.
Speaker 1: But some people claim that you could see the eyeshine
Speaker 1: and what we were seeing in that film. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. But that was twenty fourteen May third or
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. One thing I want to jump ahead and
Speaker 1: continue on with in that same section of woods just
Speaker 1: a year later, just around the corner as well. Because
Speaker 1: where this took place was We're still on our way
Speaker 1: out from the lake. We didn't have much further to
Speaker 1: go to the main forest road and head back to camp.
Speaker 1: But again just a year later in twenty fifteen, during
Speaker 1: the hunting season. It was November of twenty fifteen, right
Speaker 1: around the corner. I was camping out during the hunting season.
Speaker 1: I do that a lot during that season. Yes, it
Speaker 1: gets cold around November, but it was actually comfortable whether
Speaker 1: I was by myself and there was nobody else around.
Speaker 1: Usually there's a lot of people that camp out there
Speaker 1: during not the season. Well, in that particular era, it
Speaker 1: was just me and I was near at the camp.
Speaker 1: It was dead quiet, and then after it got dark,
Speaker 1: I had a fire going. I had like twelve days
Speaker 1: shotgun leaning up against my blazer. Well, I have to
Speaker 1: sit there again. It was very quiet, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: it's boring, it's quiet. I'm not tired. I decided to
Speaker 1: grab my spotlight and walk, you know, grab it without
Speaker 1: turning on. I walk out to the middle of the
Speaker 1: fourth road in total dark, you know, Like I tell everybody,
Speaker 1: I do this quite often, even when I've camped with others.
Speaker 1: I'll bring them out into the middle of woods without
Speaker 1: no light, just kind of sit there for maybe a minute,
Speaker 1: kind of chill, listen, look around. And of course, as
Speaker 1: I got out to the road, I'm standing there in
Speaker 1: the middle of the road and I'm you know, standing
Speaker 1: there in total darkness just listening. Keep in mind, is
Speaker 1: still dead quiet. I'm not hearing not one thing. You
Speaker 1: can probably hear a mouse part out here, that's how
Speaker 1: quiet it was. But so I decided, okay, my spotlight.
Speaker 1: I decided to start shining at the tree line across
Speaker 1: from me, well over to my left. As soon as
Speaker 1: I pulled the trigger on the spotlight, immediately I spook
Speaker 1: up a deer, because you know, all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you can hear the sound of a deer jump out
Speaker 1: of the bushes and run off, like, oh cool, I
Speaker 1: spooked the deer, you know. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I continued paying my spotlight from my left over to
Speaker 1: my right, and as I approached the one between the
Speaker 1: one and two o'clock position. As soon as I got
Speaker 1: to that spot, all of a sudden, whatever was inside
Speaker 1: that tree line, I mind the tree line was probably
Speaker 1: twenty feet from where I was standing. But when I
Speaker 1: got to that spine, what everyone's inside that tree line,
Speaker 1: I promise you was extremely heavy and on two feet,
Speaker 1: because what I heard next was bipedal steps walking away,
Speaker 1: and I described them sometimes with a sound of a
Speaker 1: crunch and a pump at the same time you can hear.
Speaker 1: I don't know that my imitation is not the best,
Speaker 1: but that's exactly the best way I know how to
Speaker 1: describe it. It's a crunch and a pump as every
Speaker 1: step it took, and you can hear it. And it
Speaker 1: was going away from me. But when I heard this again,
Speaker 1: I minded there was nobody else around. I was standing
Speaker 1: by myself. I'm very vulnerable. When I heard this, my
Speaker 1: heart like raised up in my broke and I felt
Speaker 1: again very vulnerable. When I heard this, I started walking backwards,
Speaker 1: and with a spotlight on the tree line, and with
Speaker 1: my office hand reaching down to my keys that were
Speaker 1: on my belt loop in that panic button, make sure
Speaker 1: my car was unlocked. And as I started to edge around,
Speaker 1: make sure I wasn't walking, you know, make sure I
Speaker 1: knew I was walking. I kept looking back, you know,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I got back into my campsite,
Speaker 1: and I probably threw another log or two in the fire.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I actually probably instantly for
Speaker 1: some reason, I instantly calmed right back down, like Okay,
Speaker 1: that fear went away, and I sat down after throwing
Speaker 1: a couple more logs of fire, making the fire a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger. I'm sitting there, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: doing my final relaxation, catch my breath. I was like,
Speaker 1: listen or running from my head what I just heard,
Speaker 1: you know. I was like bears, like I said, I
Speaker 1: like I was talking to you guys earlier about bears.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of close encounters with bears, some close,
Speaker 1: a lot more more distant than anything. But I could
Speaker 1: tell you I don't care if you have a five
Speaker 1: to seven hundred pound black bear. They're not going to
Speaker 1: crunch a thump in the on the ground. Uh, They're
Speaker 1: not going to be that heavy. Whatever this was had
Speaker 1: some extreme mass and weight as a step. And again
Speaker 1: this was Bipuedle, without doubt. I promised you it was
Speaker 1: by Budle. But I'm listening and I'm running through running
Speaker 1: through my head. I was like, if this meant any
Speaker 1: harm to me. It had every opportunity to run out
Speaker 1: of that tree line to sack me like a football player,
Speaker 1: you know, and I crowd probably could have been a garner,
Speaker 1: But I got to realize that it was going away
Speaker 1: from me. It was going away. Now. With this being said,
Speaker 1: one thing I like to point out about this was
Speaker 1: look at twenty fourteen and look at twenty fifteen. Each
Speaker 1: situation had a deer involved just prior to having that experience.
Speaker 1: So my question that I asked myself, did I interrupt something?
Speaker 1: Did I interrupt or hunt? It's believed that bigfoot does
Speaker 1: like to eat or feed on deer. Well, there was
Speaker 1: a deer just before we had the encounter. Maybe that
Speaker 1: small one was spying on that deer that was nearby,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that small one was getting ready to
Speaker 1: make the charge. I don't know. I had to like, oh,
Speaker 1: these are just brandom plots that run through my head.
Speaker 1: But again it's been said that they take deear and
Speaker 1: they eat deer. So again, both situations had a deer
Speaker 1: prior to happening. What was happening. So that's one thing
Speaker 1: I like to question myself and think about from time
Speaker 1: to time. You know, were we or did I interrupt
Speaker 1: a hunt, you know. So twenty fourteen fifteen, same section.
Speaker 1: It woods just around the corner. So, but that was
Speaker 1: one of the things, you know, I talked about and
Speaker 1: I bring up from time to time, you know. So
Speaker 1: but yeah, you could ask Tracy Arnold. He'll he'll throw
Speaker 1: you in on that. He remembers a lot of that too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but yeah, that's my story and I'm sticking
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 4: Actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now there's actually a documentary. They actually some good
Speaker 1: friends of mine that have their own production team and
Speaker 1: they actually have a TV series on Paraflets, which is
Speaker 1: actually the the paranormal network of of It's like Netflix,
Speaker 1: but it's more of a paranormal there's a lot of
Speaker 1: big shows on it as well, but Paraflets, they actually
Speaker 1: have a TV series on there, and uh, they actually,
Speaker 1: my friends said, they have their own production team. They
Speaker 1: actually put together a film for their first their new
Speaker 1: TV series called Hometown Haunts, but it's titled The Beast
Speaker 1: of Elkhorn Lake, which I was their first one day
Speaker 1: film an interview Twitter and if you watch that again,
Speaker 1: you can find it on YouTube. It's full the full episode,
Speaker 1: the full show on there. It's called the Beast of
Speaker 1: elfho On Lake. And of course that was based off
Speaker 1: of my twenty fourteen car. So but again, there's other
Speaker 1: things that happened along the way or before that, you know,
Speaker 1: in between. I've had rocks thrown at me and I've
Speaker 1: heard all kinds of interesting things here and there. So again,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that was the twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: Char That's cool. I think one of the questions I had,
Speaker 2: We know, Bobby and I know, since we are from Illinois,
Speaker 2: the deer, the whitetail deer in Illinois are much larger
Speaker 2: than they are down here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 2: And are is it the are the black bears? Are
Speaker 2: they bigger up there than they are down here? I mean,
Speaker 2: is it uncommon or unheard of to have an eight
Speaker 2: foot tall standing black bear? That sounds pretty odd. That
Speaker 2: sounds more grizzly.
Speaker 1: Like right right. Well, here's the thing when it comes
Speaker 1: to black bears, if you do your like online research,
Speaker 1: your average black bear, even a five hundred pound black bear,
Speaker 1: is going to stand about six week doll Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the general.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: And they're generally not traveling as a group.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's very rare. Most of the time. If
Speaker 1: you have a black bear a mother, If you have
Speaker 1: a female that has cubs, that's a different story. The
Speaker 1: cobs are only near the mama, but no males and
Speaker 1: females travel separately. I'm sure there's some occasions where you
Speaker 1: will see them together. It depends. I think that's a
Speaker 1: very rare occasion, however, but there are some black like
Speaker 1: I will tell you for a fact that we have
Speaker 1: some monster black bears up here. I have seen very
Speaker 1: large fifteen inch black bear tracks here in the National Forest.
Speaker 1: So there is some monster black bears up here. But
Speaker 1: as far as when you go look at the state
Speaker 1: hunting records, I believe Pennsylvania has over an eight hundred
Speaker 1: pound black bear. Virginia has over seven hundred pound black bear.
Speaker 1: That even North Carolina's got washedon black bear. They got
Speaker 1: seven hundreds of pound black bears there. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say that Florida doesn't have them. Uh, they do
Speaker 1: have smaller black bearers there. I'm not sure what region,
Speaker 1: but after doing some past studies, Florida does have black bears,
Speaker 1: but they're more I guess they're more smaller.
Speaker 2: They're not as big, but I've seen a couple of
Speaker 2: I've seen a couple of pretty big ones in the
Speaker 2: O'calla National Forest when we were showing up at the
Speaker 2: research area.
Speaker 5: And I've got trail can pictures of a big one
Speaker 5: going through my crash.
Speaker 2: Oh oh nice, nice and down here in Port Saint Lucie.
Speaker 2: I in our subdivision when I live in a cookie
Speaker 2: cutter subdivision, there's six hundred and forty seven houses, I
Speaker 2: believe in our subdivision, and our houses are only like
Speaker 2: eight feet apart, or feet apart, twelve feet apart or whatnot.
Speaker 2: But in our subdivision, across the street from the clubhouse,
Speaker 2: one day, I was riding bike through the neighborhood at night,
Speaker 2: and I heard a bear. You know, I heard that room, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, And and I went back in the next day.
Speaker 2: I told all that night, I told my wife and
Speaker 2: I know what I heard. And then I told the
Speaker 2: neighbor and we were we were new, we were new
Speaker 2: to this neighborhood at the time. And they're like, no,
Speaker 2: you didn't hear no bear. You may have heard an alligator,
Speaker 2: by the way. I'm like, no, I heard a bear.
Speaker 2: And two days later, on the edge of our subdivision,
Speaker 2: by the roundabout, black bear was sighted across in Gatland,
Speaker 2: which goes to the corner of our roundabout, and I
Speaker 2: ended up, you know, like put my finger in his eye, like, man,
Speaker 2: I know what I heard. I know what I heard.
Speaker 2: But they're doing so much, there's doing so much development
Speaker 2: here and just tearing everything thing down so fast that
Speaker 2: the wildlife here has nowhere to go. They've theory to
Speaker 2: become a problem in our subdivisions everywhere.
Speaker 1: See, that's funny you bring that up because the guests
Speaker 1: I had on my podcast just the other night yesterday,
Speaker 1: I believe it was, well, no, yeah, a couple of
Speaker 1: nights ago. He told me his story from back when
Speaker 1: he was twelve years old, twelve, thirteen years old. I
Speaker 1: don't remember much of the details, but we were talking.
Speaker 1: That's part of what we were talking about in discussion.
Speaker 1: And back like see back when he was twelve, that
Speaker 1: was I guess for him. That was back in the seventies,
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, he's like he's like six. He's
Speaker 1: around sixty years old now, I believe so. But yeah,
Speaker 1: back he said he made that's the one thing he
Speaker 1: made a point of that back when he was twelve
Speaker 1: years old down in Florida. This particular neighborhood where all
Speaker 1: this stuff was going on, like the big Foot stories
Speaker 1: of him, what he's seen, and what was being heard
Speaker 1: around the town. And you know, he said it wasn't
Speaker 1: it was a small town. He said, this is long before.
Speaker 1: He said, if you go to that place now, it's
Speaker 1: all grown up and one the whole thing. One of
Speaker 1: the things that ran through my mind the whole time
Speaker 1: I'm listening to everything he's talking about. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you push you know, wonder why
Speaker 1: this big Foot, you know, Pete off, because you're pushing
Speaker 1: them out of his territory. You know, you're you know,
Speaker 1: we weren't having and we're closing on them. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like my job, well, my previous job, I was
Speaker 1: working for Amazon as the delivery driver. And some of
Speaker 1: the neighborhoods I go into, I'm going into these well
Speaker 1: populated subdivisions right just right outside of the city. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm walking down a set of stairs
Speaker 1: after dropping off a package and I got a deer
Speaker 1: about to run me over and I see herds the
Speaker 1: deer running through these subdivisions, like well populated subdivision. I said,
Speaker 1: these do you have nowhere else to go because these
Speaker 1: these houses are built where they used to be grown.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's people don't realize that.
Speaker 2: They got to have somewhere to go, and then people
Speaker 2: complain like it's their fault that their homes are destroyed.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, what do you think we're dealing
Speaker 2: with with with with with these big good saspects? What's
Speaker 2: what's your opinion on what you think they are? It's
Speaker 2: kind of a question for you and the chat, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you what do you guys think
Speaker 2: that that we're dealing with. There's there's all kinds of theories,
Speaker 2: but oh yeah, absolutely what people think.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm glad you asked that because I
Speaker 1: I like to ask a lot of my guests the
Speaker 1: same questions and I'm not going to dismiss any of them,
Speaker 1: and I respect all responses. And but you know, again,
Speaker 1: I have my own and just when I speak my
Speaker 1: when I speak my own thoughts and opinions on it,
Speaker 1: by no means am I trying to make myself out
Speaker 1: to be factual on this. It's basically, my answers come
Speaker 1: from my conclusions off of what I study and what
Speaker 1: I observe, and you know, and the more and more
Speaker 1: I dig and research. You know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: people are, how they research, or where they're picking their
Speaker 1: information up. I'm only going based off of what I
Speaker 1: research and what I'm digging too, and I'm listening to
Speaker 1: other stories and other eyewitness descriptions, and the more and
Speaker 1: more I hear about it, it just keeps building more
Speaker 1: and more on top of what I believe. But again,
Speaker 1: my belief, my conclusion is I believe they are some
Speaker 1: type of primate. But with that being said, I'm very
Speaker 1: careful on this because I want people to understand. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they're a gorilla. I'm not saying they're a chimpanzee.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there a rangutang. But I believe they
Speaker 1: are in some form or type of primate, also undiscovered, unclassified,
Speaker 1: you know, in the primate world. Because when I hear
Speaker 1: people say, oh, they're human, they're not primated, they're human. Well,
Speaker 1: let's look at the scientific point of view. You know,
Speaker 1: you guys want to use science and say they're this
Speaker 1: and they're not that. Well, scientifically speaking, me and you
Speaker 1: we're human primates, you know, you know, so you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's different classification of primates. There's a long large
Speaker 1: range of primates in this world. Again, as human beings
Speaker 1: were classified as primates. And that's regardless if you believe
Speaker 1: in evolution or not. I don't think that has anything
Speaker 1: to do with the evolution because I have a I
Speaker 1: try to stay away from an evolution. But you know,
Speaker 1: again I'm using science scientifically speaking or signed terms, you know,
Speaker 1: for how you want to look at them. And I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get into there's a lot of all
Speaker 1: the details. I won't really get into because I don't
Speaker 1: have my notes for me. There's certain things I bring
Speaker 1: up and present at my presentations when I speak at events.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, with that being said, without getting too
Speaker 1: far into a deep explanation on it, I will say
Speaker 1: I believe it is some type of primate, But again
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's equivalent to our No species are
Speaker 1: promise that we know that exists.
Speaker 2: So you think that, I think, yeah.
Speaker 1: I.
Speaker 5: Lean more to be in early human ancestors, some type
Speaker 5: of neander or something. You know, nobody's ever seen the
Speaker 5: Neanderthal in real life, only what they.
Speaker 3: Make them look like in a museum so.
Speaker 5: I I lean more towards early human descendent basically, But
Speaker 5: again that's just my theories. I have nothing to back
Speaker 5: it up with my imagination.
Speaker 1: Now, now I like his response because I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: Because of course we know for a fact the air
Speaker 1: fases exist. Nothing is almost I could say everybody. I'll
Speaker 1: say almost everybody, and somewhere down the lines you're not
Speaker 1: going to probably see it in the database. But I
Speaker 1: believe a majority of people in this world have in
Speaker 1: the NFL DNA in them. Now, a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't realize this, like, okay, the neand of AAL DNA
Speaker 1: did not come into existence, or was it discovered or
Speaker 1: was able to be recognized, I should say, so, it
Speaker 1: wasn't till the nineties. It wasn't till the early to
Speaker 1: mid nineties to the end of all DNA was actually
Speaker 1: recognized and studied and put out there. But so, you know,
Speaker 1: how many people in this world have the DNA running
Speaker 1: through them somewhere along the line, because the end of
Speaker 1: all were a type of people. You know, people don't
Speaker 1: realize that.
Speaker 3: So they were a type of people. But if you look.
Speaker 5: At their bone structure, their bone structure looks more very
Speaker 5: similar to the structure of a great eighth than it
Speaker 5: does a human bone.
Speaker 1: Structure, right, which is usually larger and denser.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot thicker, denser bones. But yeah, when you
Speaker 3: go to the SMITHSONI and they make them look exactly
Speaker 3: like a human.
Speaker 5: Right, I just think a lot of the early humans
Speaker 5: may be didn't.
Speaker 3: Disappear. They maybe they were hiding in the woods, right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that that that that kind of like literally
Speaker 2: you know, joins with my my next question about you know,
Speaker 2: where are these things going when they're not in transit,
Speaker 2: you know, when they are just kind of hunkered down
Speaker 2: and not traveling or whatnot. And I look on Google
Speaker 2: Earth a lot. In our in our research areas, and
Speaker 2: we have we have big swaths of cypress trees. You
Speaker 2: can see the different colors and you can see the
Speaker 2: difference in the cypress. But in these groups of cypresses,
Speaker 2: there are different trees in the middle, which suggests in
Speaker 2: the middle of this little cypress swamp there's a drier
Speaker 2: area with different trees growing out of it that a
Speaker 2: normal human being would not make that trek because of
Speaker 2: the gats and the snakes and you just don't know
Speaker 2: it is. I was literally tall at telling my son
Speaker 2: Ryker when me and him went out, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: my theory is going back there in the day because
Speaker 2: look at that water. You can't see two inches in it.
Speaker 2: It's black, and we got gators all over this this
Speaker 2: state down here in the south, and when you look
Speaker 2: back on Google Earth, it's it's it's different trees. It's
Speaker 2: this pine and oak trees in the center of these cypress,
Speaker 2: which means there's a higher ground, it's a drier ground.
Speaker 2: And I got out with my son and we started
Speaker 2: looking and literally within thirty seconds we've seen about three
Speaker 2: nine inch footprints, one in halfway in the water and
Speaker 2: half out, another one about two and a half to
Speaker 2: three feet coming up the bank, and another one at
Speaker 2: the edge of the road coming well.
Speaker 1: Nine inches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they count like they kind of looked like female.
Speaker 2: They were slender than the normal wide you know, flintstone
Speaker 2: club foot looking, you know, big boxy they were. They
Speaker 2: were slender looking. I mean, you know, it could very
Speaker 2: well have been a youngster. I know, where we go,
Speaker 2: nobody in their right mind is walking barefoot, right.
Speaker 1: Right, There's no one.
Speaker 5: There's there's some rednecks and hipbilities in Florida, but most of.
Speaker 1: Them, Yeah, you would think that, Yeah, if they lived
Speaker 1: down there, they would know better. Yeah, did anybody in
Speaker 1: the southern state like Florida, Louisiana, Georgia, even certain parts
Speaker 1: of South Carolina Because I was in South Carolina. I
Speaker 1: go to South Carolina every October. And the friends of
Speaker 1: mine that I usually meet up with down there, I
Speaker 1: mean I've they took me a tour and in their
Speaker 1: back property, showing me the wild boars and the hares
Speaker 1: and everything. And there's also a section of woodsal bands
Speaker 1: boo down there by the swamp, and they haven't seen
Speaker 1: one in there for a long time, but there's they
Speaker 1: used to be gators down there in South Carolina. They
Speaker 1: showed me where the gators used to be sparred to
Speaker 1: scene it. But their main thing is the wild the
Speaker 1: wild boards, you know, because they showed me. You know,
Speaker 1: they used to show me a lot just like you
Speaker 1: could see. There was old barbed wire French and they
Speaker 1: used to show me all the snag hair that came
Speaker 1: from the bar on the boards. Because I got another
Speaker 1: buddy of mine that hunts down there. He's always shooting
Speaker 1: boards down there. You know and uh, but yeah, you
Speaker 1: can see the wild boards, like like on the on
Speaker 1: the bamboo, there's certain like scrapes and marks on there.
Speaker 1: Like I was like my friends was like, this is
Speaker 1: this is from their tuxt this is where they rubbed
Speaker 1: their tuxt on here, you know, like oh cool, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it was kind of educational, you know, like
Speaker 1: because we don't have as far as I know not
Speaker 1: it's like we don't have wild boards or you know
Speaker 1: up here in Virginia. Really, I think if you go now,
Speaker 1: I believe if you go to the Eastern Shore that
Speaker 1: runs down into North Carolina, like North Carolina supposed he
Speaker 1: has has farh hogs and stuff. But I don't know
Speaker 1: how popular they are down there. But I know for
Speaker 1: my research and from what other hunters have told me,
Speaker 1: yeah they're in North Carolina, so maybe they might be
Speaker 1: in parts of Virginia. But then again, I got some
Speaker 1: friends of mine that are involved a bit. But buddy
Speaker 1: mine here, he's a veteran. When he goes up to Ohio,
Speaker 1: I guess on his father's property they have him up
Speaker 1: in Ohio. So I don't know, maybe we do have him.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just haven't never seen no evidence
Speaker 1: myself of a wild board here in Virginia. But yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he goes up to Ohio and then you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, North Carolina, South Carolina. Yeah, but it.
Speaker 5: Would sure be easier to find friends and cracks around
Speaker 5: here if we didn't. Oh yeah, man, they they will
Speaker 5: tear the ground that happen. I mean, you get up
Speaker 5: and the worst and it's just lousy recalled.
Speaker 3: They'll come right up to you.
Speaker 2: Wont Jeff, Yeah, and Bobby were in Neil Calnaster four.
Speaker 2: This is We got video of it as well on
Speaker 2: our on our Facebook page. We were in Bobby, side
Speaker 2: by side. We came up off the trail and got
Speaker 2: on a main dirt road and here come these three
Speaker 2: pigs just walking on up case. We were parked, but
Speaker 2: it's running this. The pig walks over to my side
Speaker 2: and just starts chewing on the on the tread on
Speaker 2: the tire while we're well, we're He's like and this big.
Speaker 2: These pigs are strong. How much is your cambot away?
Speaker 3: Oh god, I think it weighs about pretty heavy pigs
Speaker 3: of quid.
Speaker 2: This pig was backing this cabota by on the tread
Speaker 2: man I was like, my goodness.
Speaker 1: Hey, better than better the tire than your lake and
Speaker 1: they will.
Speaker 3: Scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Oh my god, Yeah, I know you're delicious.
Speaker 4: Close.
Speaker 2: Would you like to gow course? Would you like to
Speaker 2: get to a bigfoot? I mean, let's sasquatch or bigfoot?
Speaker 2: I mean it's well for me, I would you want
Speaker 2: to be safe, but you want to get as much
Speaker 2: detail as you can, like smell pores, you just the
Speaker 2: dirt and the critter is crawling in the hair. For me,
Speaker 2: is you know, like but you could do that from
Speaker 2: Afar too, you know, with someone with with with a
Speaker 2: good lens. But yeah, I feel like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I've been five feet from one, but I
Speaker 2: didn't want to look at I didn't spend time looking
Speaker 2: at it. I turned around and ran both times. I
Speaker 2: I didn't I I didn't want to see it. It
Speaker 2: was a monster to me. Yeah, and as an I
Speaker 2: want that opportunity again. That's why we do what we do.
Speaker 2: You know, like, what's your what's your ideal distance to
Speaker 2: soak in all that information and process everything you're seeing
Speaker 2: and get questions answered that you wonder.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll put it to you this way and this
Speaker 1: probably won't make sense. I don't want to be face
Speaker 1: to face. And then again at the same time, I would, hey,
Speaker 1: I would welcome it. If it happens, let it happen.
Speaker 1: But because you know, you hear all these stories, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want. Nobody wants to be put in harm's way,
Speaker 1: you know, because we don't understand these beings, you know,
Speaker 1: if we encounter them, if we have the like I've
Speaker 1: heard stories right here from Virginia where individuals have been
Speaker 1: face to face, you know, and I believe these are
Speaker 1: the stories I've heard where I believe them because you know,
Speaker 1: I don't believe everything I hear. But when I hear
Speaker 1: certain stories, I get drawn into these stories. When I
Speaker 1: get drawn into these stories where I'm visualizing what's happening,
Speaker 1: I tend to believe those stories. But not every story
Speaker 1: I hear. I get like that. But there are stories
Speaker 1: that came from Virginia here where the people had close encounters.
Speaker 1: I personally have never been faced to face that close,
Speaker 1: but I've always imagined it. I've always thought about it.
Speaker 1: So my thing is if it happens, I pray that
Speaker 1: I don't get harmed, you know, because again we don't
Speaker 1: understand it. People say, oh, they're hard with Well, it's
Speaker 1: just like any wild animal, even a snake, a venomous snake.
Speaker 1: Don't put you, don't put yourself in that situation, or
Speaker 1: don't put them in a position where they have to
Speaker 1: strike at you.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: But just like a snake, more people get hurt running
Speaker 5: from that snake, and they just get hurt.
Speaker 1: From the snake that or if your corner them, like
Speaker 1: you know, we have we have copper heads and rattlesnakes
Speaker 1: that are most venomous snakes up here in Virginia. Now,
Speaker 1: like in my old neighborhood I grew up in, individual
Speaker 1: was in his cross space or basement or whatever, all
Speaker 1: space and cornered a copperhend. You know, copperhead was down
Speaker 1: in his crass space, but he cornered it. Of course,
Speaker 1: that's venomus. Sneak is going to protect yourself. It's going
Speaker 1: to struck that he so as I tell people, just
Speaker 1: like with any species of wildlife, I don't care if
Speaker 1: it's a bear. Bears ain't gonna bother you. Just leave
Speaker 1: them alone, let them go about their business. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they get nosy and curious, they come into your camp whatever.
Speaker 1: Most of the time you just make noise and scare
Speaker 1: them out and they'll run off on the most part.
Speaker 1: But again, any bit of wildlife, just don't put yourself
Speaker 1: in that position to where they are forced to protect themselves,
Speaker 1: because you know, wildlife is gonna be wildlife. Raccoon, Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, my father used to hunt records. He's told
Speaker 1: me stories about what they'll do to a dog. They'll
Speaker 1: shred a dog to pieces.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't go ahead, damn say.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I was just going to add that. Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I've seen play that places I
Speaker 1: worked at where we would you know, people I work
Speaker 1: with will go outside of the break room at night
Speaker 1: and the raccoons come around because people know they feed
Speaker 1: them crackers and stuff. And the raccoons they look cute
Speaker 1: and harmless, fat and cuddly. You know, you hand them rack.
Speaker 1: You're hearing them a cracker, you know, you know they're not.
Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of false advertising, because again they're
Speaker 1: wild animals and they will destroy you if they want to.
Speaker 1: You know, so keeping this, especially if you see him
Speaker 1: during the daytime. When it comes to a raccoon, stay
Speaker 1: away because it could be rabbit.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people give us snakes a
Speaker 2: bad rap. Some people think they're gross and simon whatnot.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and then that's why, you know, everybody's got
Speaker 2: their opinion. But I think, you know, I think these uh,
Speaker 2: these cotton mouths, you know, these water markets and have
Speaker 2: kind of been given a bad rap down here because
Speaker 2: Bobby and I Bobby almost stepped on one unknowingly he
Speaker 2: was in front of me.
Speaker 3: If Jim has stopped me, I had a probably stepped right.
Speaker 2: On inches inches and this thing did not want This
Speaker 2: thing did not want to bite. I was within inches
Speaker 2: with it of it, and all it did was it
Speaker 2: coiled up and laid its head on its back and
Speaker 2: opened its mouth. We filmed, you know, we were videotaping
Speaker 2: with the phone. Oh my god. We were just we
Speaker 2: practically stepped them, not not a foot away. We practically
Speaker 2: stepped on this guy and this little tiny brook of
Speaker 2: you know, water. And I took my walking stick video
Speaker 2: in it, and I'm like trying to show him along.
Speaker 2: He had no desire to be aggressive. He just wanted
Speaker 2: to be left alone. I'm trying to push him off
Speaker 2: of where we are, and he's like, Noah, I'm good,
Speaker 2: just just leave me alone. And it wasn't until we
Speaker 2: stepped back then he was like slithered away. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think if you step them one, yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, I ain't got time for this, you know,
Speaker 2: get off me type of thing.
Speaker 1: I don't, don't.
Speaker 2: I've came across three hogs on my solo adventures down
Speaker 2: here in the swamps. Every single one of them. As
Speaker 2: soon as they see me, they acted like I had herpes.
Speaker 2: They ran as fast as they could. They just uh,
Speaker 2: they were gone. You know, they wanted nothing to do
Speaker 2: with me. They they looked at me and they're like, no,
Speaker 2: this guy's bad news.
Speaker 3: They just they bacon on your breath.
Speaker 2: They smelled bacon on Uh. So I haven't had any
Speaker 2: any issues with any of the wild animals that are
Speaker 2: not except they're not animals. It's ticks. There's ticks are
Speaker 2: our nightmare. There are nemesis.
Speaker 1: You guys, get ticks up there, Oh my gosh. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're terrible.
Speaker 2: And the cans are four there. I'll drive three hours
Speaker 2: to go up there and be in the wood ten
Speaker 2: minutes and turn around and go three hours back home
Speaker 2: because when you get covered with one hundred ticks, your
Speaker 2: day's over. Yeah, your day is over. And I always
Speaker 2: bring up.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you those are ey Oh absolutely talking about
Speaker 1: ticks real quick. Not to get too far off with
Speaker 1: the cold, extreme cold temperatures we're having right now, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is going to help out a little bit later
Speaker 1: on when the weather does start from going back up.
Speaker 1: So so, yeah, because our last the last couple of
Speaker 1: years are terrible. Ticks, extremely terrible, and ticks is the
Speaker 1: last thing I usually think about, but I do check myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've had a lot of ticks here in the last
Speaker 1: few years. But I'm hoping because of these temperatures a
Speaker 1: lot colder than what we've had we've have been getting
Speaker 1: the last few years, I'm hoping it does some good
Speaker 1: on that part. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, man, it's been a great show. It's been a
Speaker 2: great show, a joy to talk with you, and I
Speaker 2: probably got more things you could probably share with us.
Speaker 2: I think we'll go ahead and wrap it up tonight
Speaker 2: because some people live in other time zones and they've
Speaker 2: got things to do. But it was really a joy
Speaker 2: to have you on. Hopefully some of that sometimes you know,
Speaker 2: we can have you back on, we can pop over
Speaker 2: on your podcast sometimes.
Speaker 1: You know. Oh I would love that, yeah, because you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, I know you mentioned you've had a
Speaker 1: encarnter there. I would love to hear about that as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, just just a real quick shout out.
Speaker 2: So we will never see Jimmy here. Yes you will, Kathy,
Speaker 2: Yes you will. It'll happen. I promise it will happen.
Speaker 1: What was what was she saying?
Speaker 2: She said, we'll never see Jimmy here in uh and
Speaker 2: up up there where she lives.
Speaker 5: Uh, he's been up there hundreds of times, Kathy. I
Speaker 5: have pictures to prove it, pictures on my phone of
Speaker 5: me and Jimmy out in the woods.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, we have, uh had a lot
Speaker 2: of fun tonight, and like I said, we would love
Speaker 2: to come over and and and hang out with your
Speaker 2: channel to.
Speaker 1: Absolutely you know.
Speaker 2: I've reached out to you a while back in the past,
Speaker 2: just chatting and getting to know, you know, networking and whatnot.
Speaker 2: And and I've of you probably for.
Speaker 3: A couple of years now, I think, oh for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: You've always seemed to have everything going for you as
Speaker 2: far as what you're presenting what you're putting out and
Speaker 2: the information you have, and you're put together pretty well.
Speaker 2: We are fly by the seat of Bobby's pants if
Speaker 2: I'm usually not wearing them, and and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just it's just I wearing pants today. Uh, but
Speaker 2: you know, it's nice to see somebody. I would consider
Speaker 2: yourself a veteran of research because I've been doing this
Speaker 2: a lot longer we have, and we've got to always
Speaker 2: learn from people that's got more experience. And I think
Speaker 2: that's one of the things that what you're doing, what
Speaker 2: we're doing, reaching out and trying to network with people
Speaker 2: and hear their encounters, hear their shows, talk about their experiences,
Speaker 2: talk about their projects that are involved with bigfoot and
Speaker 2: cryptids and whatnot. There's no wrong answers in this. You
Speaker 2: can have a belief that they're flesh and blood, but
Speaker 2: that's your belief. That's not a fact. If it poops
Speaker 2: in the woods and it bleeds in the woods, it's
Speaker 2: it can be other. But that's that's neither here nor there.
Speaker 2: I just think that you know, in this subject, if
Speaker 2: you aren't open minded to bigfoot alone, you're gonna limit
Speaker 2: yourself to what you're actually looking for. Meaning, if you
Speaker 2: don't believe tree stock structures have anything to do with bigfoot,
Speaker 2: and you could be walking by fifty of them, you're
Speaker 2: not really doing all the research that you could be
Speaker 2: doing because you're getting information you're walking right yet by
Speaker 2: We don't know for a fact. I don't know for
Speaker 2: a fact that bigfoot make tree structures, But we have
Speaker 2: seen tree structures where footprints walked right up to x's,
Speaker 2: took a right turn in front of that X, right
Speaker 2: up to it, took the right turn behind it, directly
Speaker 2: behind it, and walked away. Meanwhile, it broke off everything
Speaker 2: thing else in its path up to that X, but
Speaker 2: it did not break that down.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That was one of the things I was going to
Speaker 2: ask you. What your experience with your encounter, you know,
Speaker 2: with what you experienced, What factually can you say about
Speaker 2: your experience that can be added to the puzzle of
Speaker 2: I think what's real? I mean, I'm a knower, Bobby's
Speaker 2: a knower. A lot of people on here are knowers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I've come across a lot of interests
Speaker 1: and structures and formations some that I will tell you
Speaker 1: that I believe we're built by something with hands and
Speaker 1: a possable thumbs, something grip and have the intelligence to
Speaker 1: combine and woven various structure or sticks or whatnot. However,
Speaker 1: when that being said, the one thing I always tell people,
Speaker 1: because we did not witness what created or made it,
Speaker 1: I always say, there's got to be that possibility and
Speaker 1: big point would only be our last consideration. So I'll
Speaker 1: never dismiss a structural information and say Bickford didn't do it.
Speaker 1: But I will also will say that he did not
Speaker 1: do it. You know, either he did or he did
Speaker 1: it again. We we would have to be observant or
Speaker 1: witnesses to that. But uh, but again I always believe
Speaker 1: there's that possibility with most of what we find, uh,
Speaker 1: because I mean I've come across a lot of crazy
Speaker 1: stuff on the woods, and yeah, I have a collection
Speaker 1: of tracks I've gotten over the years, and uh, I
Speaker 1: still have some of those tracks, but I've actually given
Speaker 1: some of them way for souvenirs that some of my
Speaker 1: past events that I hoped so but because you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of want that put out there. You know,
Speaker 1: I haven't found the track in a while, and I'm
Speaker 1: out there in the wist part of it. I find
Speaker 1: impressions and promising things, but I haven't found anything good
Speaker 1: enough to really cast again. You know, I'm sure I
Speaker 1: will eventually again, but it's going to take some time,
Speaker 1: but real quick. One of the things, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys travel or like the venture elsewhere, but
Speaker 1: I've got my group camp out coming up in May.
Speaker 1: I wanted to throw the invitation out, the invitations out
Speaker 1: to you guys.
Speaker 3: You want to be a part of that awesome It's.
Speaker 1: Very squatchy area. We will be doing some filming during
Speaker 1: that time, so I'm we only have fun.
Speaker 3: What part of are you in?
Speaker 1: I'm only I'm over in the Shenandoah Valley. It's the
Speaker 1: western part of the state. Yeah, but the camp location
Speaker 1: is going to be uh well, I'm not gonna mention
Speaker 1: the whole thing right off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be in the you know, it's out
Speaker 1: here in the Shanado Valley. So we do it. It's
Speaker 1: an invite. I only do it invite only. I only
Speaker 1: share the location with those who really seriously going to
Speaker 1: be there. So if you guys wanted to be up there,
Speaker 1: I'll definitely share the GPS coordinates with you.
Speaker 3: So in West Virginia a lot, and it's really gorgeous
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're in Virginia, but where we can't back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well we can't at it is close to
Speaker 1: West Virginia, but still here in Virginia.
Speaker 2: H awesome, absolutely great show. I want to thank everybody
Speaker 2: in the chapter coming out all. We had a lot
Speaker 2: of friends and family in there, fellow researchers, people we've
Speaker 2: been out with, people we hang out with people. Respect
Speaker 2: are our mods, Diane and Cashew are We couldn't do
Speaker 2: a show without him, not not coordinated in an actual
Speaker 2: quality show. And Bobby. Bobby was on point tonight with
Speaker 2: whatever topic and site you were bringing up. He was
Speaker 2: popping it up as you were talking about it, like
Speaker 2: live feed editing.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: That was awesome to see that. You know, you were
Speaker 2: talking about your website and he popped it right up
Speaker 2: for everybody to see, so they didn't have to what
Speaker 2: do he say?
Speaker 1: What do you say?
Speaker 2: That was on point?
Speaker 3: Wow, that was I was trying to say, Diane because
Speaker 3: she's usually the one that has to yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: And it didn't help that Daniels. Yeah, yeah, we were
Speaker 3: able to have a little time to get it up there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I saw I saw you post up on
Speaker 1: pap up a little. A couple of comments on there.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't pay attention to that. I could
Speaker 1: catch that.
Speaker 3: One of them was a question sometime. They asked the
Speaker 3: win was the.
Speaker 5: Conference and I I clicked on one of the links
Speaker 5: and it said I believe it was the sixth through
Speaker 5: the ninth, June sixth to ninth.
Speaker 1: Maybe oh for my event, yes, yes, oh, June twentieth
Speaker 1: and the twenty first.
Speaker 3: Oh goodness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a.
Speaker 2: Couple of weeks earlier.
Speaker 3: Talking about the conference, so.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, I mean there is. I'll lets her thinking
Speaker 1: about West Virginia because I'll be speaking at West Virginia,
Speaker 1: the West Virginia BIS Festival June sixth, seven and eight.
Speaker 1: It's a oh no, excuse me, let me back up.
Speaker 1: June sixth, seventh, eighth. I'll be in Marionville, Pennsylvania. It's
Speaker 1: a huge festival. I'll be speaking there. Then my event
Speaker 1: June twentieth and twenty first in June here in Virginia,
Speaker 1: and then West Virginia Suton, West Virginia is June twenty sixth, seventh,
Speaker 1: and twenty eighth is the Sutton, West, Virginia Bigfoot Festival,
Speaker 1: another huge event. So June's going to be very busy
Speaker 1: a month. I'll be speaking at events and hosting my event.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, my event is. If you want information,
Speaker 1: just look me up Daniel Baignoire on Facebook ecbro O
Speaker 1: ninety eight or go to my website VA Bigfootcon dot com.
Speaker 3: So that was the question. Can you please let me
Speaker 3: know the date and time for the event in George
Speaker 3: or in Virginia?
Speaker 1: So oh yes, June twenty Yeah, go to VA Bigfootcon
Speaker 1: dot com. Or find me on Facebook Daniel bin Wall
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, sorry, so yeah, or email me at E. C.
Speaker 1: B r O ninety eight at gmail dot com. So
Speaker 1: I'm not hard to find. I'm all over social media.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, everybody thanks in the chat, everybody at our
Speaker 2: our Facebook pages at bigfootour Shines, so she'll be big Foot,
Speaker 2: Bigfoot four Shines podcast channel, watching every watching everywhere you
Speaker 2: are watching. Thank you guys for coming out and spending
Speaker 2: time with us and hanging out. It was fun, it
Speaker 2: was enlightening, and it was chill.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: When when you have a good guest on the show
Speaker 2: is so much easier than Uh. Then I get all
Speaker 2: anxiety built up right before we go live, you know,
Speaker 2: and I have no fingernails. They're down, they're down to
Speaker 2: the second though.
Speaker 1: You know, I get this, I get it. I'm the
Speaker 1: same way I I I totally understand. I can relate
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 3: Yes, when fingernails, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, thank everybody for showing up. And Danielle,
Speaker 2: I'll put you back. I'll put you backstage for just
Speaker 2: a second because every time I do this any other time,
Speaker 2: when I end the live stream, it shuts everybody off.
Speaker 2: So I didn't know if you wanted to chat afterwards
Speaker 2: or if you want to go right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, oh no, that's right. Yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: hanging around. I don't have going on.
Speaker 2: All right, I'll I'll see if this works and then
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens. All right, everybody, thanks for stopping in.
Speaker 2: We'll let you guys know shortly who our next guest is.
Speaker 2: I've got three or four people. They're lined up, but
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get their schedules so match our schedules.
Speaker 2: And sometimes, you know, being in a different time zone,
Speaker 2: we have to alter our schedules if we really want
Speaker 2: to have them on in the first place. So there's
Speaker 2: a there's a give and take of thing. But we'll
Speaker 2: let everybody get out of here. Everybody have a great night.
Speaker 2: We'll see you next time later, Bob.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah,