Speaker 1: Hello and welcome the Deep Blue Sea the podcast. I
Speaker 1: am Mark Underwater Ghost, Cello Hoffmeier and.
Speaker 2: I am Jay sandwich Bag Sweat Cluet. Welcome you board
Speaker 2: DeepC the Podcast. On this show, it.
Speaker 1: Never blows away, That never blows away.
Speaker 2: Not anchored by anything, never blows away and why should it?
Speaker 2: This is Deep the Podcast. On this show, We've been
Speaker 2: to the entire Deep Sea trilogy. Seen my scene. We
Speaker 2: do it again, but not today. Today we're looking at
Speaker 2: We're abandoning our year of reptiles once again for a
Speaker 2: new release. A new film, not a shock film, a
Speaker 2: killer whale film called Killer Whale? What is Killer Whale?
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty six film directed by joe Ane Breckins, starring
Speaker 2: Virginia Gardner and mel Johnson as a couple of estranged
Speaker 2: BFFs who who go on holiday vacation to Thailand where
Speaker 2: there's a Orca World World of Orca with a killer
Speaker 2: whale seed who it's just it's just eating too many people.
Speaker 2: It's just eating too many people.
Speaker 1: They've had enough of it, and trainers, trainers, everybody.
Speaker 2: Trainers who have never mentioned again. And it gets released
Speaker 2: at the same time as Maddie and Trish are out
Speaker 2: on a random jet ski in this cursed beach. It's
Speaker 2: cursed at all in the middle of nowhere and hilarity.
Speaker 2: It's used when it turns out the seed may believe
Speaker 2: that she is still in captivity because she's in the
Speaker 2: middle of this at all.
Speaker 1: Takes out, takes out of sea.
Speaker 2: Do what's the jet ski? This is just.
Speaker 1: So I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's c E t oh is how
Speaker 2: the whales name is is spelt, not how I wrote
Speaker 2: it down many times in my notes. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: a new one. This is I write.
Speaker 1: I wrote like a C do, like a C E
Speaker 1: E d o, and then like the way that's wrong,
Speaker 1: and then I just put like cee do like it's
Speaker 1: a yeah a h O.
Speaker 2: Initially see hoe ho C toe C.
Speaker 1: Whale And then I read the review and I went, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, but you know what's crazy. So
Speaker 1: I was reading about you know, killer whales or orca
Speaker 1: in captivity and they do go they they start harming themselves,
Speaker 1: they become violent.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They they have these routines where they chew on metal
Speaker 1: grates and they tear up their teeth, so they there's trauma,
Speaker 1: there's self mutilations of your aggress repetitive behavior. There their
Speaker 1: dorsal fins collapse, So it's they do experience psychosis and
Speaker 1: madness in captivity. And and so I think that's an
Speaker 1: interesting way. I think the center a plot around that's
Speaker 1: that's I feel like you could pack in a message there.
Speaker 1: But it's also quite interesting that that is what they're
Speaker 1: going for with Killer Whale. And it's not really explored,
Speaker 1: but it's a good idea.
Speaker 2: Yes, not really exploring things that I've got ideas is
Speaker 2: kind of the byline for this film. Because also we
Speaker 2: have our lead character, Matty Vintinia Gardner. She is is
Speaker 2: double opening double opening trauma in this film, during one
Speaker 2: of which one of which she is left hearing impaired. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they they that kind of comes up with like
Speaker 2: when she gets near the whale, she gets like some
Speaker 2: interference with her hearing aid a few times with the
Speaker 2: echo location, and you think, oh, it's going to be
Speaker 2: some kind of method. We're going to use this to
Speaker 2: tell when the world's coming, or use it to tear
Speaker 2: the whale away, And they don't do that. That's not Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not what happens. Like she has a hearing aid
Speaker 2: the battery runs out, that that the sound drops out
Speaker 2: at some point, you think always the rest of this
Speaker 2: film going to be in silence. No no is catailed
Speaker 2: initially immediately as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're going to go into spoilers here, We're going
Speaker 1: to be we must so before we go into sports.
Speaker 2: Do we recommend the film? Do we recommend? Is Killer Whale?
Speaker 2: A film with that? You should if you're a fan
Speaker 2: of Deep with See and the kind of films we
Speaker 2: cover from the show, is kill a Whale? For you?
Speaker 2: What do you? What? Do you? What do you think?
Speaker 1: Mark uh Okay? I would say yes, because there's ghost
Speaker 1: Cellis Cello wists and the water. Trish is just Trish
Speaker 1: gets it. There's a jet ski. I think both Virginia Gardner,
Speaker 1: I mean, she's from Falls, she's good. Mel Jarnson was
Speaker 1: in Mortal Kombat, She's gonna be in Street Fighter. Good actors.
Speaker 1: I think the idea is good. I think the Killer
Speaker 1: Whale angle is good. Is does does this movie have
Speaker 1: green screen? That is wildly noticeable?
Speaker 2: Three sixty green screen showing a show in the what
Speaker 2: do they do? The avatar and cool?
Speaker 1: Oh? The the void not the void, the the not
Speaker 1: the purge. We'll get there. Uh, the extreme noes.
Speaker 2: I think it starts with me.
Speaker 1: The the wall of l l ed screens that are
Speaker 1: save you from using a lot of green screen because
Speaker 1: you know, but it looks you can. There's a scene
Speaker 1: where the three of them are on a jet ski
Speaker 1: together and you're going, oh boy, oh you know, oh boy.
Speaker 1: I get that this movie doesn't have the biggest budget,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate what they worked around. But there's a
Speaker 1: couple of scenes like Jesu Waits, it does make you
Speaker 1: appreciate the shallows more, much like Thrash makes you appreciate
Speaker 1: Crawl more. But I gotta tell you, Jay, this trauma
Speaker 1: in sharp volume.
Speaker 2: The volume.
Speaker 1: The volume is the volume, not the extreme. This the
Speaker 1: the Okay, so we've talked about shark movies, restalked just
Speaker 1: so many shark movies start with a traumatic event and
Speaker 1: then they aren't important later. These they are not important later.
Speaker 1: And then this one, Jay.
Speaker 2: That's one important one not important.
Speaker 1: Let's but let's talk about Trish.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: So Trish is a famous influence where the eight hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty eight hundred and fifty thousand followers.
Speaker 2: But working on her her science genetics degree of some kind.
Speaker 1: Yes, working on her science genetics degree. She needed money
Speaker 1: for her degree, so she hired a dude to go
Speaker 1: knock off a cafe. But I looked in the register
Speaker 1: and I took some photos. There's like three hundred bucks
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah, at Hill.
Speaker 2: Unless she had arranged for the guy to rob every
Speaker 2: every like store in town, every diner, every place that night,
Speaker 2: he's going on a spree.
Speaker 1: So he's gone. Yeah, she sent him there because that
Speaker 1: one lady wasn't supposed to be there. No one was
Speaker 1: supposed to get hurt.
Speaker 2: He wasn't supposed to have a gun.
Speaker 1: The back door was like unlocked. Yeah, he shouldn't have
Speaker 1: a gun. He shouldn't have taken her necklace. The boyfriend
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been at like super agro Bro if he
Speaker 1: just would have, if he just would have sat there.
Speaker 1: That guy wasn't gonna kill anybody. He did take off
Speaker 1: his mask, which is crazy, but okay, so right to
Speaker 1: pay off for school and PhD. She has a thief
Speaker 1: going rob a diner and they're gonna split the money.
Speaker 1: So she's gonna get a buck one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: something like that. If he just doesn't blast out a town.
Speaker 1: So her plan is to knock off a diner make
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty dollars to pay off for gigantic
Speaker 1: school loans.
Speaker 2: Correct, was it specified that it was to pay off
Speaker 2: her school loans.
Speaker 1: She's in debt, she needed money for something, and.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, one hundred and fifty dollars, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: better ways of making that money.
Speaker 1: She's worked like a bar, like a college bar or
Speaker 1: something that makes a lot of cash on two weekends.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like college kids splash their cash here,
Speaker 1: cash here because they don't want their parents seeing, you
Speaker 1: know that the credit card bills. You know what, like
Speaker 1: a lot of people spend their casher because they don't
Speaker 1: want their and to see that they spent it at
Speaker 1: h and ahe bar or shamoo bar. And and then
Speaker 1: that means there's twenty five dollars in cash because of this,
Speaker 1: and you go knock them off. That'll be easy. They
Speaker 1: just walk out like this. But then something happens and
Speaker 1: a big old you know, someone gets a boyfriend gets
Speaker 1: hit by a truck.
Speaker 2: So they should have had mad e v like working
Speaker 2: in a jewelry store or something like that where there's
Speaker 2: high high end ticket out items to steal and set
Speaker 2: on the black market, and that would you could see
Speaker 2: would be open. It wouldn't be open at night, I
Speaker 2: guess you wouldn't have like a late night bank or
Speaker 2: a late night jewelry store, late night bank, and it
Speaker 2: should be on our own in a bank. Yeah, it's tricky.
Speaker 1: No, how about this, At the end of every each
Speaker 1: week they take the money out of the safe and
Speaker 1: to put it in a a depart you know, they
Speaker 1: go deposit the money. Because when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: this is rare or no. When I was in college,
Speaker 1: I was dating this manager from Chuck E. Cheese and
Speaker 1: she had to go deliver a big deposit bag into
Speaker 1: a bank. And I went with her a couple times
Speaker 1: because she was just at night, not really digging the
Speaker 1: fact that they had to do that, you know. And
Speaker 1: at our theater you had to go drop the money
Speaker 1: off in a at a bank to deposit it for
Speaker 1: you know whatever, just to put it in the bank.
Speaker 1: But that's a lot of money to be bringing.
Speaker 2: To a bank.
Speaker 1: So something like that, I just don't understand the diner
Speaker 1: aspect of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean it makes sense. As for being
Speaker 2: a job that Maddie has while she's at college, that
Speaker 2: makes sense. But yeah, the fit being a successful robbery
Speaker 2: to pay off a student loan, No, doesn't doesn't compute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's the problem with this movie because
Speaker 1: as soon as she explains the plan, I went, wait
Speaker 1: a second, and I went back and I looked at
Speaker 1: the money. That's not what you should be doing during
Speaker 1: a movie, is going Wait, she made like one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty bucks. That's not a lot of money. No, Well,
Speaker 1: like she's smart. Tricia's getting her doctricious, very smart.
Speaker 2: And so says when they got because she's she's taken
Speaker 2: Maddie on the vacation. She's paid for all of it.
Speaker 2: She's got eight hundred and fifty thousand followers on social media,
Speaker 2: and Maddie is like cooled in sick. She still works
Speaker 2: at the diner. And they weren't at a post on
Speaker 2: social media, weren't a tric post on social media, and
Speaker 2: Tricias like now we should get you fired, we should
Speaker 2: get you fired. I'm never going to be poor again.
Speaker 2: She says, like way, hmmm, hard hard hard to like.
Speaker 1: Trish, Trish, Trish and then you get taken. But and
Speaker 1: then she makes it later on at the atoll and
Speaker 1: then she goes back in the water and gets eaten
Speaker 1: by a whale that can jump, you know, that has
Speaker 1: known for coming out of the water to get seals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's distressed by a plane. She's trying to yell
Speaker 2: at a Plane's gonna.
Speaker 1: Work now, listen. I think mel Johnson's good. I think
Speaker 1: Virgin Gardener. They do. And it's easy to see why
Speaker 1: they took this movie because it's the work is on them,
Speaker 1: like it's it's all on them. And also, you know,
Speaker 1: Joeann Breckon directed this. Cafro McPhee wrote it, so you know,
Speaker 1: I think they were really proud of the all like
Speaker 1: the all female team on the film, which is awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean. And you know what though, like if this
Speaker 1: is just a way to get a movie made, because
Speaker 1: this was in Australia. We talked about how Dangerous Animals
Speaker 1: was made. You know, Sean burn is a great director,
Speaker 1: but you need to have sharks to get a movie made.
Speaker 1: The Beasts of War. He's like, well, I can find
Speaker 1: the Beast of War, so we go make a shark
Speaker 1: movie and then what is it that I keep forgetting
Speaker 1: the name of the underwater truck robbery bull movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah that was made.
Speaker 2: Because what do you keep forgetting the name fair below market.
Speaker 2: It's so specific as to what that film is.
Speaker 1: I just like River Gold Robbery movie, y River Robbery,
Speaker 1: the shark River Robbery. Oh that's good, we need that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that one. They were like, I just toss
Speaker 1: the shark in there, so I think they wanted to
Speaker 1: explore some things and then they're like, well, we can
Speaker 1: get a shark movie made. So I think it's better
Speaker 1: that they went out and made this movie. You know.
Speaker 1: Even even our guy from black Water like he he went,
Speaker 1: He's like, I can get these movies made. He's like,
Speaker 1: I would love to make a comedy or dark humor,
Speaker 1: but they won't fund it, so I can get alligator
Speaker 1: movies made. So I think, you know, he don't don't
Speaker 1: don't hate the player hit the game. So I think
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we can get this made. But when
Speaker 1: you listen, when you read the script, and you realize,
Speaker 1: like an opening minute, there's a weird old boyfriend who's
Speaker 1: super aggressive. Then he he gets his girlfriend, he destroys her,
Speaker 1: hearing permanently and then runs out on the road and
Speaker 1: then gets hit by a truck by a vengeful robber.
Speaker 1: He's just three hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: He gets he said stood there for ages, giving the
Speaker 2: necklace back, and he gets the necklace back, and then
Speaker 2: they're still just stood there, and I get that both
Speaker 2: of them are like high on adrenaline at this situation
Speaker 2: and the ringing in their ears from the shotgun. But
Speaker 2: he just gets mowed down and no one sees the comment.
Speaker 2: He gets crazy. He gets meet Joe blacked right in
Speaker 2: front of her. I just want one, I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He gets taken out from the side, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: hell yeah, And that's different. We don't we don't see
Speaker 2: that kind of thing like that. I thought the opening
Speaker 2: traule was going to be because she's a cellist, she's
Speaker 2: got a cell and then she had lost her hearing.
Speaker 2: That's the opening trauma, not like oh and also this
Speaker 2: guy not around anymore, And it comes like straight after
Speaker 2: the like opening trauma that doesn't really go anywhere, which
Speaker 2: is the dolphin the whale trainer in Na sea World
Speaker 2: yet like there on her own, she's been doing nights,
Speaker 2: she's been working every shift available. She's she's locking up.
Speaker 2: She goes to like say good night to the whale,
Speaker 2: and the whales not around anywhere. So what do you do?
Speaker 2: You get in the tank. Of course that's what you do.
Speaker 2: You can't see the whale from from on the side,
Speaker 2: so you get in the tank where your visit a
Speaker 2: t will be so much better. And then she gets heaten.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I hate it's so bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah. None. And so I was reading interviews about this
Speaker 1: film before it was made, before I watched it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, they like went all out.
Speaker 1: They planned everything. They built us a toll. Everything's practical,
Speaker 1: they planned all the eye lines. None of that works.
Speaker 1: There scenes where like the characters are looking at two
Speaker 1: completely different things. Yep, and listen. They made the movie.
Speaker 1: They got experienced. It's awesome. But yeah, that opening scene, Jay,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is this? Does this lady just like
Speaker 1: bone like when Mary and Courtyard gets her legs bitten
Speaker 1: off by a killer whale. Then she becomes a bare
Speaker 1: knuckle boxer promoter, Like that's the movie I want that
Speaker 1: didn't do this? Yeah, she's never mentioned again. The janitor
Speaker 1: just dies.
Speaker 2: Jay just dies, just reaching for a cup eating it's
Speaker 2: just trying to clean out the tank.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, trainers died at this place, and you're just
Speaker 1: like mostiple this cup.
Speaker 2: The security guard cools up someone and it happened again.
Speaker 2: Not even there's another guy gone. So I'll get out
Speaker 2: of the fish.
Speaker 1: What does the guy say? He gets mad about it? Right,
Speaker 1: he goes. What does he yell again? Get rid of
Speaker 1: that damn fish? So he do they purposely drop it in?
Speaker 1: That a toll?
Speaker 2: I that's been dicks?
Speaker 1: What they so?
Speaker 2: This god knows he sees the people that have broken
Speaker 2: in and follows them. I'll teach these kids a lesson.
Speaker 2: I'll let their way out right where they are. I
Speaker 2: don't think so. I think it's that's just gotta be
Speaker 2: well pine. That's just got to be a fluke.
Speaker 1: But it's stuck in there, correct, Yes, so.
Speaker 2: I think it must have jumped in. It's gone over
Speaker 2: the perimeter. I'll keep on saying. And it's like stuck
Speaker 2: in there, and it thinks it's in a tank.
Speaker 1: How did it go? So it was in the open ocean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's by this point, it's psychotic, it's very aggressive, and it's.
Speaker 2: It's been in captivity for twenty years and it lost
Speaker 2: its calf two years ago. It's having a bad.
Speaker 1: Time, yeah, and it just gets stuck. And then these
Speaker 1: two ladies and a dude pop up and a seado.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they must have maybe it followed them, like
Speaker 2: followed the jet ski there?
Speaker 1: Did it jump into that? If it could get in?
Speaker 1: And can it get out? Knock get out?
Speaker 2: It can get out? But this is this is the
Speaker 2: it's not well established sides. There's no Yeah, they come
Speaker 2: up on a rock and you're thinking, oh, that rock's
Speaker 2: going to disappe it like the Shallows. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: the Shallows too. This film is trying to be the
Speaker 2: Shallows too, and it fails. But I think the whale
Speaker 2: sees the jet ski, follows the jet ski, jumps into
Speaker 2: the into the enclosure after the jet ski into the
Speaker 2: perimeter sorry, and then thinks it's trapped in there because
Speaker 2: it's a phrased whale. I don't know, yeah, and then
Speaker 2: doesn't think you can get out because it's not used
Speaker 2: to being in the open ocean. It's what's the short
Speaker 2: sank thing. It's institutionalized.
Speaker 1: Who gets Brooks Brooks Brooks is himself Brooks is.
Speaker 2: But it's not Wait, no, it's not trapped because it is. No. Well, no,
Speaker 2: at the end, wayt spoilers right at the end that
Speaker 2: when the jetski crashes, that's inside the perimeter. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: so she goes down, she gets the bad She she
Speaker 2: like stabs the world and the eye down with the
Speaker 2: jets and then it just swims away. It just swims away.
Speaker 1: Where are these rocks from?
Speaker 2: There's a perimeter, but is the is the perimeter fully
Speaker 2: there underwater? It must be just.
Speaker 1: It's not just like the ocean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, famously, rocks don't float. That's what they're known for.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. Yeah, this is we just needed that is
Speaker 2: not explained. Very few things are. So what bothered me
Speaker 2: about this film is it sets up as as you
Speaker 2: point out, it establishes like workers in captivity very bad,
Speaker 2: don't do it, they don't like it, not a good thing.
Speaker 2: And it establishes that Tito is a victim in all
Speaker 2: of this. No, she's been kept for twenty years, lost
Speaker 2: the calf, gone insane, so established that she is not
Speaker 2: not this She has become a mindless killer, but she's
Speaker 2: not like this monster, And so you feel sorry for
Speaker 2: the whale. You think watching it, I was thinking, how
Speaker 2: are they gonna land this plane, how are they gonna
Speaker 2: like get get out of this situation without just killing
Speaker 2: the whale because the whale is trying to kill them.
Speaker 2: They can't kill the whale because they've set the whole
Speaker 2: whole way up that it's it's not a monster, it's
Speaker 2: a victim. And so they they don't kill the killer whale.
Speaker 2: They stab the killer whale in the eye and then
Speaker 2: it swims away. But it's horrific. She really goes for it.
Speaker 2: You get whales of pain and whales. That was not intentional.
Speaker 2: I just felt so whales, the whale, whales, whale well
Speaker 2: well and just swims away, and I felt so bad
Speaker 2: for her. Well, I get it because she's already she's eaten.
Speaker 2: She's killed at least four people that we've seen in
Speaker 2: this film, many more prior to the events of this film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably a customer a week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a high turn I mean it's probably
Speaker 2: more staff because of the once you get closer, But
Speaker 2: that's a high turnover. You know, that's not good. That's
Speaker 2: that's poor employee retention. I think, yeah, yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 2: Not good. See, I wasn't satisfied with how with how
Speaker 2: the film dealt with the whale being a victim, but
Speaker 2: just like just stabby in the eye. It's fine, it's
Speaker 2: still alive, but it's it's life hasn't improved at all.
Speaker 2: It's gotten significantly worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so now it's just psychotic and with one eye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, psychotic, half blind out in the world, do it
Speaker 2: kill a whale? Two? Coming this next spring.
Speaker 1: I was holding that underwater Cello ghosts would come out
Speaker 1: and help.
Speaker 2: I was hoping at some point somebody would make an
Speaker 2: Orca Orchestra reference, but that also didn't happen.
Speaker 1: You know what's you know what's crazy too? Is all right,
Speaker 1: it's a fall, which was Virginia Gardner's. Then you realize
Speaker 1: that she was sleeping with her friends. Ah, what is it?
Speaker 1: She was sleeping with her friend's boyfriend for a while.
Speaker 1: Bait rules, Yeah, shark bait sleeping with boyfriend. Blackwater abyss
Speaker 1: sleeping with boyfriend pregnant. You know, Belius, Blackwater just has
Speaker 1: a pregnancy subplot and no cheating, which is refreshing.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's no bunch of anyway.
Speaker 1: So you know, the restock is good because it doesn't
Speaker 1: have a second half turn, which is kind of nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: This is the craziest thing I've This is the craziest
Speaker 1: of all of them.
Speaker 2: Jay.
Speaker 1: It's not just like a cheating I slept at your boyfriend.
Speaker 2: I always his death for three hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: And you're just going, what like, she did not have
Speaker 1: to get that off her chest, Like, that's not that's
Speaker 1: not something you tell.
Speaker 2: Somebody or like, imagine, wait until you survived.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, so you so you hired a guy to
Speaker 1: steal like one hundred and fifty bucks to pay massive
Speaker 1: loans and you split it with them.
Speaker 2: It worked. She hasn't got any debts anymore. She's and
Speaker 2: she's successful social media influence doing her degree. So this
Speaker 2: was the right decision to make. Evidently, it's if if
Speaker 2: she done that and then not gone jet skiing, then
Speaker 2: that's gold achievement were done. The mistake here wasn't the
Speaker 2: hiring the guy to pay it and it was going
Speaker 2: on there was taking a trying to make up for
Speaker 2: going on vacation. That's the mistake she made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like her guilt got to her. I guess, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take you here to look at this whale.
Speaker 2: That your favorite whale that you and.
Speaker 1: Your boyfriend loved. You very aggressive. You're very aggressive boyfriend.
Speaker 1: I just want to get that out there, man. And
Speaker 1: then you have the kid from the Descendants riding jet
Speaker 1: skis around.
Speaker 2: That's who that is.
Speaker 1: And then he takes her phone. He's a stranger who
Speaker 1: takes a woman's phone away from her and hides it.
Speaker 2: And then somehow causes her to forget that it exists.
Speaker 2: At this phone is established anyway, I was thinking of
Speaker 2: a different de Descendants. I was thinking of that the
Speaker 2: George Cluney film. Ah, different thing. So, yeah, there's there's
Speaker 2: two phones in this one of them waterproof established early on,
Speaker 2: made a whole whole scene to say, this is a
Speaker 2: phone that is waterproof, she uses it all the time.
Speaker 2: And another phone not waterproof, in a plastic bag. One
Speaker 2: phone that is waterproof put in jet ski. Jet ski suck.
Speaker 2: The other phone not waterproof in a plastic bag. Lost,
Speaker 2: but bag important. So we have a phone is all
Speaker 2: in our mind because the bag is still here. But
Speaker 2: they forget the existence of the waterproof phone and the
Speaker 2: jet ski for an hour. That's an hour of film time.
Speaker 2: This is like two days of in movie time. And
Speaker 2: when they remember that the phone exists. It's so easy
Speaker 2: to get it's not a problem to get it at all.
Speaker 2: They just go and get it, and.
Speaker 1: Then they got it.
Speaker 2: This is a kind of film where a kind of
Speaker 2: script where like things are problems until the script needs
Speaker 2: them to happen, and it's not a problem anymore. It's
Speaker 2: all very possible. We can get there. Just gotta swim
Speaker 2: and yeah, there you're there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, phones down here anytime anybody else swims, it's horrifying.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And they're on a pizza float.
Speaker 2: They're an inflatable pizza which has a rope on it
Speaker 2: has a bit like a string. There's not tied to anything,
Speaker 2: but what it's like drifting away and getting tat despite
Speaker 2: not being tied to anything. And then the whale at
Speaker 2: one point is able to grab the rope and pull
Speaker 2: it hard enough that it rips it off of the
Speaker 2: inflatable and starts deflating it instead of just pulling the
Speaker 2: inflatable towards the whale. It it's again, it's magic. Plot
Speaker 2: is what do we need to seem to do in
Speaker 2: the plot, Well, that's what it's going to do. Bothered me.
Speaker 2: We like to be positive on this show. But these
Speaker 2: things all bothered me when I watched this film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an odd duck, this is an odd will.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the budget was for the film,
Speaker 2: but I think they did a good job. It's I'm
Speaker 2: guessing not huge. Ah.
Speaker 1: They got good actors though, that's the thing. Like, they
Speaker 1: got good actors who have been in some big properties.
Speaker 2: I like the Virginia Gardener in Full she was the
Speaker 2: influencer and now she's graduated to not being the influencer.
Speaker 2: In the film, she's the lead. That's I feel like
Speaker 2: that's the step up. So Mel Johnson, the next one
Speaker 2: of these she does, she won't be the influencer more,
Speaker 2: should be the lead.
Speaker 1: The next the next revival film. Yeah, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: research this movie too, but there's not much out there.
Speaker 2: It's hard to research because this is called kill a way.
Speaker 1: Because do you want to hear what I found?
Speaker 2: I'd love to please.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they shot it on a Brisbane soundstage. They
Speaker 1: the production design process began not with spectacle, but with clarity.
Speaker 1: They commissioned a detailed scale model. The I don't know, okay,
Speaker 1: they they commissioned a detailed scale so they want a
Speaker 1: clear vision of what they were making. So I know what,
Speaker 1: So if you're producing a movie with a very limited budget,
Speaker 1: it's smart doing what they did. So they commissioned a
Speaker 1: detailed scale model the atoll, creating a physical map that
Speaker 1: defined geography, distance, the sitelines, and character movement. The model
Speaker 1: became a constant reference point across departments, from stunts and
Speaker 1: visual effects to camera and production design, ensuring the spatial
Speaker 1: logic remain consistent throughout the film, which it doesn't that
Speaker 1: this thing is so deep and it differs in size,
Speaker 1: but whatever, only the elements the characters physically interact with
Speaker 1: would be built. Everything else would be extended digitally grounded
Speaker 1: in scans of the real sets. So then they allowed
Speaker 1: the team to work efficiently within an Australian budget while
Speaker 1: still delivering scale.
Speaker 2: The reasonult is with an Australian budget.
Speaker 1: That's what it says. The film is a film. The
Speaker 1: result is a film that privileges interaction over illusion. This
Speaker 1: film is shaped through a female gaze focused on agency,
Speaker 1: empathy and consequence rather than objectification.
Speaker 2: Although my wife did point out there was quite a
Speaker 2: lot of cleavid shots. When she pointed out, I was like,
Speaker 2: but it was written by a direct by a lady.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 1: I feel like Shallows is less. It is like she
Speaker 1: because she starts, she goes surfing, right, yeah, and she
Speaker 1: has her top, but then she takes set off slowly
Speaker 1: to like tie up her wounds. So it makes sense
Speaker 1: why she does that, and I feel like it's less. Yes,
Speaker 1: you put a woman in a bikini for ninety minutes
Speaker 1: in a movie, it's a choice, but this one, I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot more butt shots than this one.
Speaker 1: And I'm not being weird. I watched this with Megan too,
Speaker 1: and like like she's like, well there's another one, and
Speaker 1: like like you're you know, like your wife said. So
Speaker 1: it's so I'm reading all this and like the thematic
Speaker 1: framing reflects a broader generational anxiety. Beneath the surface tension lie.
Speaker 1: Beneath the surface tension lies the story about powerlessness inherited
Speaker 1: crises and young people force to navigate disasters set in
Speaker 1: motion long before they arrived.
Speaker 2: Inherited crisies. Didn't inherit this crisis that's talking about the
Speaker 2: the whale, because like no, they calls they did it,
Speaker 2: They went there. They caused the friendship rift between them. Uh,
Speaker 2: I want to see this film that they're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and imagine reading all this before you watch it.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm pretty pumped this like I'm ready,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to rock. Because that's the one interview I found.
Speaker 2: I tried to lower your expectations with three Nights. Oof.
Speaker 1: That's it is oof because but you know, even in
Speaker 1: the trailer they show the the the underwater ghost cello
Speaker 1: player ghosts like this is odd, but cello's not even important.
Speaker 1: I don't even know why the cello subplot is in here.
Speaker 2: It's I think it's it's not like at some point
Speaker 2: in the script it was vital, and then through revisions
Speaker 2: it just became like, yeah, she's a cellist. And then
Speaker 2: it makes extra sad that she does her harry because
Speaker 2: she's she's musician and there's no famous musicians who were deaf,
Speaker 2: not not a one. I can't think of any Uh.
Speaker 1: She doesn't even play chords or anything during the movie
Speaker 1: to soothe the whale.
Speaker 2: No, she doesn't have a cello with us.
Speaker 1: Isn't a Bond film where they use a cello?
Speaker 2: They going to toboggan in a cello case in Oh God,
Speaker 2: I want to say that I don't manage the secret Service.
Speaker 2: I want to say, maybe don't.
Speaker 1: They don't even have this. They don't have a cello boat,
Speaker 1: which one has the cellist in it? Also Jay Trish,
Speaker 1: Hey you're grieving your boyfriend, let's go to this living
Speaker 1: Daylights there. That's the Dalton one, right, Yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: with the cello lady.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did I think it was a different one.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: There's a toboggan as an actual tobogan, not a cello toboggan,
Speaker 2: and much secret service, whereas that it does has a
Speaker 2: cellow case toboggan.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's so many snow chases in that franchise, so.
Speaker 2: It's just, yes, too many. It's easy to.
Speaker 1: Mix them up. But okay, So Trisha's like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: going on vacation. I'm gonna get you fired from your job.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a bunch of pills and we're just
Speaker 1: gonna on our first night there, we're gonna get pilled
Speaker 1: up and.
Speaker 2: Draw messed up, break into SeaWorld.
Speaker 1: Your next Like the rest of the trip's gonna be
Speaker 1: a nightmare because you're hungover in sunburn. Like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: get the urge, but like these also, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: it's just because of the age of the characters, but
Speaker 1: they're about thirty and so it's not in the.
Speaker 2: Movie they're supposed to be that's sposed to be like
Speaker 2: twenty two, I think, Yeah, but like.
Speaker 1: I guess since they're ball thirty, you're just there's like
Speaker 1: a weird disconnect. Like listen, I've gone to things before
Speaker 1: and just partied the first night and had it wrecked,
Speaker 1: but like I haven't.
Speaker 2: I never did that.
Speaker 1: Florida, So yeah, it's it's like it's just and then
Speaker 1: she hooks up with this dude and then they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go jet ski and then I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: good plan, but.
Speaker 2: Just create this.
Speaker 1: It's they don't even mention how that the killer killer
Speaker 1: whale gets in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or how it gets out or where it goes
Speaker 2: off towards uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Tricia need to die because like Trisha
Speaker 1: made a jump for it, and then how do we
Speaker 1: kill her while she goes and stands in the water
Speaker 1: and gets.
Speaker 2: Eat I think given that she orchestrated straight the death
Speaker 2: of sorry, the death of Chad, she had to narratively
Speaker 2: morally be eaten by a whale. Yeah, I wish it was.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Jay, let's say the same thing happens to
Speaker 1: you and me, and you explain this. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so Jay, you hired a random person.
Speaker 2: I thought there'd be more money there. I thought there'd
Speaker 2: be tens of thousands of pounds in this diner. In
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty popular diner, people go like students. I
Speaker 2: know it's prominent graduation. I know. I know that everyone
Speaker 2: in town has kids and they're all at this graduation ceremony.
Speaker 2: And the diner is going to make no money right now.
Speaker 2: That's why it's perfect time to rob it. But no
Speaker 2: one's going to be No one's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be Oh the guy shows up with this cap on,
Speaker 3: everyone's going to be here.
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to be here at the graduation. No one's
Speaker 1: going to be at this restaurant. And that's why everyone
Speaker 1: pre gamed. Everyone pre gamed at the diner. Everyone went
Speaker 1: and they got their evening meal. You know how you
Speaker 1: celebrate graduation at a diner. That's that's how you do it.
Speaker 2: Yes, he cap on, he's come, he's come from graduation
Speaker 2: wearing his cap on rope and then he gets killed
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't have to die a lot of car
Speaker 1: I remember my high school graduation. I went to Applebee's
Speaker 1: and I wore a short sleeved white shirt and you know,
Speaker 1: and you know since around the area there's a lot
Speaker 1: of scientologists and they wear like the white button up,
Speaker 1: short sh shirt. And my brother looked at me and
Speaker 1: he goes, you look like a scientologist. Like that's my
Speaker 1: one memory from my high school graduation set Applebee's and
Speaker 1: you look like it. I don't know why, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so but I didn't go to a diner jay, is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I went to like a pop in
Speaker 1: restaurant beforehand.
Speaker 2: I I don't My graduation was like during the day early,
Speaker 2: so I don't remember if we went. I know my
Speaker 2: granddad cried, is my memory of my graduation, because like
Speaker 2: the first person in my family to graduate from university,
Speaker 2: I got an award and he didn't know I was
Speaker 2: gontar he cried, So.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, we have such stories yea. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, no one's going to be here, so
Speaker 1: let's rob it. And this is like a PhD candidate.
Speaker 1: I mean, I maybe don't have a lot of street
Speaker 1: smarts you have book smarts, but she also seems pretty
Speaker 1: savvy with things, but she is quite impulsive. Yeah, hey
Speaker 1: go rob my friend's diner when no one's there.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, we we have to get past that. It's
Speaker 2: not it doesn't it's not gonna make any sense. I
Speaker 2: can't fathom how it would like. It just doesn't work.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: I will tell you, I was waiting for her to
Speaker 1: be like, I wanted you dead, so I hired a
Speaker 1: person to come rob, a person to kill you so
Speaker 1: that I could date your boyfriend.
Speaker 2: And now I brought you here to feed you to
Speaker 2: a whale.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's like, wait, you hired a hitman
Speaker 1: to come shoot me when I was working at the diner,
Speaker 1: but then you actually killed the person you were sleeping.
Speaker 2: With, and then you waited a year.
Speaker 1: Because the robber was actually in love with me with you,
Speaker 1: So it's like a weird triple cross. Now you're telling
Speaker 1: me this on a toll.
Speaker 2: Well, the whole plan was like the whole the hit
Speaker 2: was just out on Chad and he wasn't supposed to
Speaker 2: go to the diner. The guy was just supposed to
Speaker 2: kill Chad, and so the Chad went to the diner,
Speaker 2: and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna kill Chad. And
Speaker 2: the thing she's sorry for is the hearing loss.
Speaker 1: So she was gonna kill Chad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one knows, just Chad because Chad used to
Speaker 2: date Trish. Now he's don't Trish to go for Maddie, Chad.
Speaker 1: Chad's an angry fellow.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, this is.
Speaker 1: An odd one. This is odd one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what though, I like Thrash, but it
Speaker 1: does make me appreciate Crawl more. And this movie makes
Speaker 1: me love the Shallows more.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yes, I feel like if we watch, if we
Speaker 2: want shocked, but again, we might appreciate this more. Whoa, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a chain of films.
Speaker 1: So and it ends with a great white but yeah,
Speaker 1: so we all right, But like Shallows, Blake Lively is
Speaker 1: just there with a bird and it's the tide is
Speaker 1: going up and down. She's timing things. There's other surfers,
Speaker 1: you steal stuff, there's people who come back the next day. Stephen,
Speaker 1: Stephen the seagull Like, there's there's a stitching scene, There's
Speaker 1: there's a narrative there. Also, the shark's there because of
Speaker 1: the way all carcass and she's there because she want
Speaker 1: to honor her mom's memory, and she stays out a
Speaker 1: little too late, Like that's you know what's kind of
Speaker 1: crazy is that doesn't seem hard to I haven't written anything,
Speaker 1: so I can't say anything. But it's like, hey, how
Speaker 1: is she on this beach? Well? Her and mom served
Speaker 1: that she wants honor her memory? Okay, how does she
Speaker 1: like sew up her stuff? She's a nursing student and
Speaker 1: she's on sabbatical. Okay, well is she there by herself
Speaker 1: while she's with a friend, But like, I don't know, her
Speaker 1: friend got drunk? Okay, well that's cool. What else is there?
Speaker 1: Like why is the shark there? Whale carct so they
Speaker 1: at least explain why she's on the rock.
Speaker 2: I feel like this film could be fixed, at least
Speaker 2: partially if they they show the whale jumping into the
Speaker 2: prom to get them and then show that it's don't
Speaker 2: tell us, show us that it's trapped in there, show
Speaker 2: it like circling and just being stuck in there, and
Speaker 2: then it ends not with it being stabbed in the eye,
Speaker 2: but with Maddie figuring out how to get Tito out
Speaker 2: of the perimeter, like using herself as bait or whatever
Speaker 2: to like, so it can free Willy over the over
Speaker 2: the rock and then it's out and it's free. And
Speaker 2: so the end of the film is Tito is out, hooray, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Trish died, Yeah, Josh died, Maddie scarred for life whatever,
Speaker 2: but she like, and the metaphor there is not only
Speaker 2: has Maddie freed Sito, she's freed herself from what was
Speaker 2: keeping her back and not graduating, not doing her shallow recital.
Speaker 2: This whole experience is freed, not just the whale but herself.
Speaker 2: That I feel like would work, But because we're missing
Speaker 2: seeing the whale going into the perimeter and out of
Speaker 2: the perimeter, two things that must have happened, but we
Speaker 2: are not sure. The swims off into the distance. We
Speaker 2: don't see it anymore. It just goes intil it can't
Speaker 2: and it's not that big of an adult. I feel
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Would help the movie's crazy, because like.
Speaker 2: I don't know how the hearing had come into it,
Speaker 2: but that could be used some way, Like she can
Speaker 2: use the hearing aid and it's then she can embrace
Speaker 2: that new aspect of her life where she can't hear anymore.
Speaker 2: That's not going to hold her back. That's what's gonna
Speaker 2: help propeller forward somehow. I don't know. I haven't written
Speaker 2: the script, are in it, but that's where I would
Speaker 2: start trying to make this film better.
Speaker 1: And actors are good. Remember Rigidita Gardner and Halloween. She
Speaker 1: was like her and that little guy were like probably
Speaker 1: my favorite part. I don't really even like that movie,
Speaker 1: and I thought she was good, and they're good in Fall?
Speaker 1: Is she good in Fall?
Speaker 2: So this.
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. I mean, listen, a movie
Speaker 1: was made, people got paid well I'm rhyming, and we
Speaker 1: came up with the term of what what did you
Speaker 1: call it? Underwater? Wait river?
Speaker 2: I mean there are worse titles. There's like Ark the
Speaker 2: Shark and saw Women's Prison Massacre is the name of
Speaker 2: a film we haven't covered yet. You said, oh yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: Uh you know what movie is rough when you go
Speaker 1: to like explain a plan and it takes twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: then you freeze halfway through it and you just you know.
Speaker 1: So on an episode of Movies from the Flicks with Norber,
Speaker 1: we were talking about Fled and every time I tried
Speaker 1: to explain the plot, I just stopped and I was like, gosh,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. I think the good I feel like
Speaker 1: even the movies that are really like Inception, you could
Speaker 1: probably explain that pretty quickly. They go to they go
Speaker 1: in as billionaires playing to praising idea. It's like a
Speaker 1: rob like it's like it's a heightst film but with
Speaker 1: memories whatever. So you can explain that. But when you
Speaker 1: try to explain this movie, which it.
Speaker 2: Should be a much simpler premise because it's just there's
Speaker 2: you know, it's a creature. I guess there's so many
Speaker 2: creature features, there's so many shock or well films to
Speaker 2: try and differentiate from each other. The way they do
Speaker 2: that is making the plot overly convoluted, maybe because like
Speaker 2: we've had you know, Jewels is very simple. There's a
Speaker 2: shark in the water. The town don't like it. Like
Speaker 2: the premise there is, there's a shark. It's a coastal
Speaker 2: town they make money from in the summer. There's a
Speaker 2: shark there in the summer. They want to get out
Speaker 2: of the shark. Very simple. Every film that's been made
Speaker 2: since then has to be a little bit more difficult,
Speaker 2: a little bit more complicated, Like even Jewels too, as
Speaker 2: a shark but also a regatta. Uh, and so it's
Speaker 2: it's little there's a shark there, but there's been a
Speaker 2: shark before, so they don't believe there's a shark there
Speaker 2: as much. And it's kids like Shark Jewels three put
Speaker 2: it's in sea world and a baby shark and yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's getting more complicated because there's there's a baby
Speaker 2: shark and a shark and the baby shark is captured.
Speaker 2: But then tight and j got a Jaw's revenge Jos
Speaker 2: four is so simple, so straight forward as a shark.
Speaker 2: Its vengeful after this family. It was the killeryone in
Speaker 2: this family. Why, I don't know. Is it the same
Speaker 2: shock from the first film? No? Relative unclear, It's it
Speaker 2: follows them across the world to try and kill. Films
Speaker 2: just get more complicated, trying to be less like Jaws.
Speaker 2: I guess. So I mean what I was less to
Speaker 2: less complicated than like Chews of Revenge?
Speaker 1: Why does it need trauma?
Speaker 2: They always need? They don't need it, but it establishes
Speaker 2: a horror film.
Speaker 1: Why in the restock does her sister have to get
Speaker 1: murdered by her boyfriend really doesn't like? What does that
Speaker 1: do when you're fighting a shark.
Speaker 2: A it. It adds nothing to it doesn't. It's not
Speaker 2: related to being a shark film. It's just a gut punch.
Speaker 2: It's just you're watching it it. Yeah, that would be
Speaker 2: shocking in any film. I feel like any any film
Speaker 2: where like the characters were having a fun time and
Speaker 2: then the next scene one of them is is a
Speaker 2: victim of domestic abuse. There's no film like, Yeah, that
Speaker 2: makes sense. That's not Jerry.
Speaker 1: Why did she have to set up a robbery? Jay?
Speaker 2: I got nothing market. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: This atoll arises when the water is at a certain point.
Speaker 1: These rocks will be covered soon, so it's a ticking
Speaker 1: clock to get to the jet ski.
Speaker 2: To get over two days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get to right, Let's go from the rock
Speaker 1: to another rock to the jet ski and let's work
Speaker 1: our way. We got to get to the jet ski
Speaker 1: because we could drive away on it.
Speaker 2: The phones in it, Yeah, the phones in it, the
Speaker 2: phones in it.
Speaker 1: And then that gets wiped out and then you drive
Speaker 1: it and then you get on this but guess what,
Speaker 1: the water singings, what do we do? That'd be amazing
Speaker 1: if at the end of it, the atoll gets completely
Speaker 1: you know, submerged, and then the whales swims away.
Speaker 2: I just I also love that it's cursed. It's a
Speaker 2: cursed beach. It's a curse the toll, Like some stuff
Speaker 2: happened there, we don't know what, but it's cursed. A
Speaker 2: great okay.
Speaker 1: And then at the end, does she played cello again
Speaker 1: or she playing imagine that in her head?
Speaker 2: I think it was because it's cut between she's being
Speaker 2: airlifted out on the helicopter and then you see her
Speaker 2: playing the cello with one empty seat in the audience,
Speaker 2: and like, is that empty seat for Trish or for Chad,
Speaker 2: which one of the two people she's lost as such?
Speaker 2: Is that one seat for and because one of them
Speaker 2: was supportive and gave her a cello necklace that almost
Speaker 2: killed her underwater? Uh? Yeah. I choose to believe that
Speaker 2: she makes it back and does play the yellow because
Speaker 2: that's a happier ending rather than just she's imagining it.
Speaker 2: And the empty emptc is of course for chat because
Speaker 2: Trisha killed him unintentionally, but still of the two, and
Speaker 2: she goes to the murder victim rather than the murderer,
Speaker 2: we're accomplice. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Huh, how hard is it? You're just you're it's a
Speaker 1: good plot. Why do you need that? It's not even
Speaker 1: that important because then they're like they're kind of getting
Speaker 1: each other's backs.
Speaker 2: It's just something like dramatic tensions because there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of whale in the film, so you got to
Speaker 2: fill it with something else.
Speaker 1: But to be fair too, like the Edge, they go
Speaker 1: on a plane trip, but Baldwin's sleeping with Anthony Hopkins's wife,
Speaker 1: and so there's tension there.
Speaker 2: Why save that from Mamma Weir?
Speaker 1: Why? I don't know. The Crawl doesn't have that, Like
Speaker 1: there's some estrangement, but they start working together and there's.
Speaker 2: A lot more there's a lot more gator in Crawl
Speaker 2: than there is whale in Killer Whale.
Speaker 1: And I know, and don't get me started, Like that
Speaker 1: movie has like a thirteen million dollar budget, so it's
Speaker 1: not big.
Speaker 2: That's probably more than this film. Mat Yeah, that's true,
Speaker 2: I guess, but.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's an odd it's an odd one.
Speaker 1: Actors are good.
Speaker 2: What should this film have been called? Other than Killer Whale?
Speaker 2: Kill a Whale is a lazy title.
Speaker 1: It should be called The bull Shark River robbery. Wait,
Speaker 1: what is it?
Speaker 2: But yeah, river robbery.
Speaker 1: H Cello. The Whaling.
Speaker 2: I reviewed this simplue print review and I used the
Speaker 2: term bad friend mammoth mammalian marine mama. That's the term
Speaker 2: I used to describe the whale. This movie's crazy. Sorry
Speaker 2: mammoth what mammoth mammalian marine mama. I don't know why
Speaker 2: I did that, but it made me laugh, so I
Speaker 2: kept it in.
Speaker 1: That's all you gotta do, Jay, and here we are
Speaker 1: and here we are.
Speaker 2: So do you think that the characters in Killer Whale
Speaker 2: are deeper than those in deepsy Well.
Speaker 1: I think this movie is deeper in general because of
Speaker 1: the issue how it tackles it doesn't but the themes
Speaker 1: of Killer Whale is going insane. I think that's an
Speaker 1: interesting idea, and it's deeper. Deep Blue Sea doesn't have
Speaker 1: much depth, so I think the idea of a real
Speaker 1: life situation is very interesting. So I'm saying it's a
Speaker 1: little deeper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think there is more character back story
Speaker 2: here in Deep we don't have a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: Carter and Susan haven't gone on a date. That's kind
Speaker 2: of the history that we have in Pussy. Yeah. I agree, Okay, bluer?
Speaker 2: Are they? Are they sadder than Deepussy? I feel like
Speaker 2: Maddie isn't living a happy life. She's living quite a
Speaker 2: sad life. Yeah, it's taken quite and the other way.
Speaker 1: The circumstances are quite set. She kills her boyfriend and
Speaker 1: then she takes her on a trip where she's probably
Speaker 1: gonna die.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, she's been living with that guilt for a year.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think these characters, these characters don't really register
Speaker 1: as like cellist or anything, So I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say it's bluer, Okay, Like I think when Janice is
Speaker 1: depressed about Whitlock dying and like that hits hard, like
Speaker 1: this one doesn't have any of that.
Speaker 2: Is that the unhappiest moment Inde Bussy is Yeah? I
Speaker 2: think so? Yeah. When the when the door shuts and
Speaker 2: she whales, she whales? Are they more sorry? They're more
Speaker 2: lost here? I think? Yeah, because they don't really know
Speaker 2: where they are. Josh knew where they were. Josh died, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Josh did dead.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, and when you know, when when she lies,
Speaker 1: when she reveals the truth, she's kind of just lost,
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean, she's like and she loses
Speaker 1: her compass and a friend.
Speaker 2: So and listeners, If this is your first time listening
Speaker 2: to this show, welcome, because this is deep. We see
Speaker 2: the podcast every time we cover a new film, I
Speaker 2: go through and I watch it again and determine how
Speaker 2: deep all the action takes place at, how blue everything
Speaker 2: on the screen is, and how much of it takes
Speaker 2: place at sea. Deep with sea is, of course, on average,
Speaker 2: approximately fourteen and a half meters of forty seven and
Speaker 2: a half feet deep, thirty percent blue, and about eighty
Speaker 2: nine percent of it takes place at sea. Mark. Do
Speaker 2: you think Killer Whale is deeper, bluer, and more at
Speaker 2: sea than deep?
Speaker 1: We see no, yes, no.
Speaker 2: Right, we've been doing this too long, so in terms
Speaker 2: of depth, it's pretty much all on the surface. They
Speaker 2: go under a little bit, they go up a little bit.
Speaker 2: As this works out, being point one nine four meters,
Speaker 2: I've got to be that specific ero point six four
Speaker 2: feet up in the air. I've got to be that
Speaker 2: specific because that is one millimeter higher than Orca, the
Speaker 2: other killer whale film we've done, oh man, the only
Speaker 2: other killer whale film we've done. They are next to
Speaker 2: each other. This is now seventy first in the ranking,
Speaker 2: and Orca is seventieth and it is a couple of
Speaker 2: centimeters lower than the Racan or from below the Racken Racan.
Speaker 2: We never quite good to have that.
Speaker 1: Movie is great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. Blueness, It is blue and deeper.
Speaker 2: Seed is fifty three point nine percent blue, so it
Speaker 2: is bluer than the last Shark, less blue than Avatar
Speaker 2: The Way of Water. It is eleventh in our blue ranking,
Speaker 2: so very blue, very blue, given that we've done a
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty nine films at this point. Wow, and
Speaker 2: see it is at sea quite a bit, but not
Speaker 2: as much as you see A sixty one point three
Speaker 2: percent of it is at sea, which is so it's
Speaker 2: more at sea than Shark Attack three Megalodon and less
Speaker 2: at sea. It's next to it again, doesn't see an
Speaker 2: Orca aucus sixty three point three three, so it's adjacent
Speaker 2: to Walker in two different columns on our graph twenty
Speaker 2: first film at sea on the ranking. That's that's Killer Whale.
Speaker 2: As I said, I have reviewed it over at Blueprint Review.
Speaker 2: If you want to read some of these thoughts as
Speaker 2: well as having listened to them go do that over
Speaker 2: at Blueprint review dot co dot UK. Mark, do you
Speaker 2: have anything you're a plug?
Speaker 1: Ah? Yeah, got a good movie. I did a thing
Speaker 1: for Chase Serrano and then movie songs and flicks podcast.
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Speaker 2: Next week, wouldn't you know it's a chapter on deep
Speaker 2: the Shark blows up. We've got to the sharp Bloor.
Speaker 2: That's a fun episode. Simon Apleton back as a guest
Speaker 2: on that one. We had a fun time with him.
Speaker 2: To come back next week for that, and then we're
Speaker 2: back to reptiles the week after. And who knows, Deep
Speaker 2: Water might get UK released at some point and then
Speaker 2: we'll cover it then. Still waiting, ready, still waiting. But
Speaker 2: as for look, I want to see the film, Mark,
Speaker 2: let me see this film.
Speaker 1: I love at the end when I.
Speaker 2: Would be so annoyed it's been out for like three
Speaker 2: weeks or something. Anyway, I'll see it sometimes hopefully so Yeah.
Speaker 2: But as for Killer Whale, I have been Jake Lute.
Speaker 1: And I'm a calf fire.
Speaker 2: I will Deep Blue see you next week