Speaker 1: All right, joining us now. It's always a pleasure to
Speaker 1: have Eric on. Eric Peters of Eric Peters autos dot com.
Speaker 1: He talks about mobility and liberty and these are things
Speaker 1: that everybody needs, whether they realize it or not. They
Speaker 1: need to have private transportation. Good to have you on, Eric,
Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for coming.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on, David and preemptive Merry Christmas
Speaker 2: to you and your family.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you. Uh yeah, we were just
Speaker 1: talking off air about the Partons. What were you what's
Speaker 1: your take on all of this stuff about uh Luigi
Speaker 1: and the things that are happening there.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of it that's fascinating to channel
Speaker 2: my inner mister Spock. One of them is the you know,
Speaker 2: the the juxtaposition between the way Luigi has been lionized
Speaker 2: in some quarters and the way the Daniel Penny, the
Speaker 2: man who intervened to prevent a serial violent criminal from
Speaker 2: attacking people again, was treated and charged, you know, and
Speaker 2: painted as some sort of a villain and of course
Speaker 2: naturally a racist because the criminal that he intervened to
Speaker 2: prevent from hurting people just happen to be black, so
Speaker 2: naturally that makes him a racist.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and I talked about that very thing yesterday.
Speaker 1: At first I talked about you know, Luigi, and then
Speaker 1: I talked about Daniel Perry, and it truly is amazing.
Speaker 1: You know, during the I didn't follow this as it
Speaker 1: was going. I didn't report on it because you know,
Speaker 1: I don't typically do that on a criminal trials and
Speaker 1: stuff is there in process. But during the process it
Speaker 1: came out that it was actually the cops who let
Speaker 1: him die. You know, he's still alive when they got there,
Speaker 1: and they chose.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to keep them exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So, but well, you know, they didn't bring any charges
Speaker 1: against them. It was all about race, and it was
Speaker 1: all about race because of Alvin Bragg, the Soros District attorney.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you look at this guy, he
Speaker 1: was a credible threat, been rested forty two times. They
Speaker 1: had a warrant out for his arrest because he'd beaten
Speaker 1: up a sixty seven year old woman and he jumps
Speaker 1: on the thing and he starts threatening to kill people.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just Daniel Perry. It was a couple
Speaker 1: of other guys, one of them was black, who subdued him.
Speaker 1: It is crazy isn't it. But that is New York,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: They'll come after I Actually I'm encouraged because in New York,
Speaker 2: in New York City, a jury acquitted in yeah, which
Speaker 2: is a remarkable thing. I think New Yorkers, as blue
Speaker 2: as New York is, have gotten tired of being accosted
Speaker 2: by violent criminals when they're trying to get to work
Speaker 2: riding the subway.
Speaker 1: That's right, enough is enough, That's right, that's absolutely That's
Speaker 1: a great point that even in New York they couldn't
Speaker 1: get that. So I think people are getting tired of that.
Speaker 1: I think they're really tired of the Soros district attorneys
Speaker 1: who want to turn a blind eye to real crime
Speaker 1: and to come after everybody for non crimes. And that's
Speaker 1: really a big part of that with Alvin Bragg and stuff.
Speaker 1: But let's talk a little bit about automobiles because things
Speaker 1: are kind of turning your way. We've got GM has
Speaker 1: now shutting down. It's Cruise robo taxi operations, Mary Bera,
Speaker 1: that you've talked about before. The CEO her vision of
Speaker 1: transforming GM into a tech driven company with fifty billion
Speaker 1: dollars from Cruise now seems to be distant, is a
Speaker 1: polite way to put it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, reality bites sometimes, doesn't it. Just a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, the CEO of the European combine Stilantis,
Speaker 2: whose name is Carlos Tavares, was fired. He was pushed
Speaker 2: out of his position because things are absolutely disastrous for
Speaker 2: Stilantis right now, and particularly for Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep and
Speaker 2: Ram Trucks, which are the formerly American brands that were
Speaker 2: bought out by Stilantis a number of years ago and
Speaker 2: which were successful. But under Tavares, they really went whole
Speaker 2: hog in on this ev thing, and they canceled all
Speaker 2: of their popular models and their popular engines, and they
Speaker 2: tried to push these electric things on people, and people
Speaker 2: don't want them. They're not buying them. Of the federal
Speaker 2: government coming in and eliminating all of the alternatives, which
Speaker 2: they're trying to do, by the way, but people still
Speaker 2: do have the option of not buying a battery powered
Speaker 2: vehicle or a hybrid vehicle which is a partially electric people,
Speaker 2: and they're not Why would they, It just doesn't make
Speaker 2: sense for most people. So, you know, now these dealers
Speaker 2: are stuck with all of this inventory that they can't sell,
Speaker 2: and some of the brands, like Chrysler, this is how
Speaker 2: bad it is. Chrysler has a minivan. That's it. It
Speaker 2: has one vehicle in its entire lineup, a minivan and Dodge,
Speaker 2: you know, which, which used to be kind of the
Speaker 2: rock Star brand because of the Charger and the Challenger.
Speaker 2: Now all it has is this little crossover called the Hornet,
Speaker 2: which isn't a bad car, there's nothing wrong with it,
Speaker 2: but people generally don't go to Dodge to buy little crossovers,
Speaker 2: you know, They'll be a Toyota or Honda for a
Speaker 2: vehicle like that. And so the other only other vehicle
Speaker 2: that they currently have in their lineup that is at
Speaker 2: all desirable is the Durango, which is a holdover. And
Speaker 2: by the way, that's the last twenty twenty five model
Speaker 2: that you can get under the Dodge or Chrysler brands,
Speaker 2: or even the Jeep brands. That's still available with the
Speaker 2: Hemiva and the supercharge version, the Helpcat version of it.
Speaker 2: They still have that. But the take home point is
Speaker 2: they've got basically two cars in their inventory. Imagine being
Speaker 2: a dealer trying to entice customers and you have no inventory,
Speaker 2: except for the inventory that people don't want. And then
Speaker 2: you know they're about to bring out this this this device.
Speaker 2: That's what I'd like to refer to electric vehicles as
Speaker 2: call the charger, which you need.
Speaker 1: To charge the charger were either it's advertising slogan the
Speaker 1: charger that needs a charge?
Speaker 2: About that, right, you know? And the same problem is
Speaker 2: besetting Jaguar, Mercedes and all of these other brandsers. And
Speaker 2: I told them off the record, people in the companies, Look, guys,
Speaker 2: what you're trying to do here is to make basically
Speaker 2: another Tesla with your badge on it. And what's the
Speaker 2: point of that. You know, you're basically eviscerating everything that
Speaker 2: made your brand something other than a Tesla.
Speaker 1: But you know, the Jaguar thing is just so cool.
Speaker 1: It looks like a pink air conditioner, you.
Speaker 2: Know, well now it looks sort of like a I
Speaker 2: don't know, like an early two thousands Chrysler Crossfire somebody
Speaker 2: stepped on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, from from the front and from the side, from
Speaker 1: the back, it looks like an air conditioning unit.
Speaker 2: And so tone deaf, you know, you were talking earlier
Speaker 2: before we got on here about you this woke mind
Speaker 2: virus as Elon Musk calls it, and he's right about that.
Speaker 2: That's actually a really good term. Uh that afflicts these
Speaker 2: car companies. You saw that ad that Jaguar put out
Speaker 2: a couple of It's another training show, you know, a
Speaker 2: story time. If you didn't know it was ostensibly for
Speaker 2: a car brand, you would look at that and go,
Speaker 2: what what what's that all about? You know, they really
Speaker 2: do believe, I think, in their minds that this is
Speaker 2: somehow going to promote and prompt people to go to
Speaker 2: a Jaguar store and buy one of their their devices.
Speaker 2: It's just it's delusional.
Speaker 1: It's a real twist on the idea of a drag race,
Speaker 1: isn't it sure?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Right? So I just see these people in dragging you
Speaker 1: race to the store to get one of these overprized
Speaker 1: Jaguar Electric Stars.
Speaker 2: It's all very sad because Jaguar was one of those
Speaker 2: brands that was extraordinarily passionate. Liones, who was the founder
Speaker 2: of Jaguar, said that a car is the closest thing
Speaker 2: that will ever make to something that is alive, and
Speaker 2: he was absolutely right about that. You know, the evocativeness
Speaker 2: of the early designs, like a Jaguar E type. I
Speaker 2: mean that thing. It's just one of the sexiest cars
Speaker 2: ever conceived and made available.
Speaker 1: And even there's brother had had a twelve cylinder Jaguar
Speaker 1: at one point. He bought it youth.
Speaker 2: He pretty so magnificent that even though they weren't the
Speaker 2: most reliable vehicles. Somebody once quipped that a Jaguar on
Speaker 2: a lift is better than most other cars on the
Speaker 2: road because they were so beautiful just to look at.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, one of my one of
Speaker 2: my friends, his dad had an exj Sedan, you know,
Speaker 2: and we would go and pop the hood and just
Speaker 2: look at the engine. It was. It was just a
Speaker 2: just a really provocative and gorgeous thing that got you
Speaker 2: interested in the car, that it was special, it was
Speaker 2: something different, and they've just completely frittered that away.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. I used to be Jeremy Clarkson with
Speaker 1: the top gear guys. You know, he's not a jat jack,
Speaker 1: you know, And he would talk about on the movies,
Speaker 1: I'd give the Jaguars to the bad guys, especially the
Speaker 1: Bond movies. The Jags would go to the bad guys
Speaker 1: and the Aston Martin would go to a Bond or whatever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it still had this real presence, that had
Speaker 1: this real personality, and now it's got a drag personality,
Speaker 1: not the kind you would want in an automotive.
Speaker 2: Part of the sue is because they've dissipated the what
Speaker 2: would be a good way to put this, the the
Speaker 2: ethnic identity. You know, Jag was a British brand, and
Speaker 2: then it got sold off to TATSA. No offense to Tatsa,
Speaker 2: no offense to Indians, but they're not Brits, you know,
Speaker 2: and they don't understand that that cultural tradition, and so
Speaker 2: you know, now they turned the brand into this sort
Speaker 2: of drifting, anomaloust thing that really doesn't have any identity
Speaker 2: any longer. Yeah, it's this is everywhere. You know, Harley
Speaker 2: Davidson is now run by this woke German guy. You
Speaker 2: think a woke German guy understands anything about you know, Americans,
Speaker 2: and Harley Davidson's he doesn't. So you know, he's pushing
Speaker 2: these electric bikes and the idea that a guy who
Speaker 2: likes a Harley is going to want an electric scooter
Speaker 2: because that's what it is, an electric motorcycle, is a
Speaker 2: contradiction in terms if it doesn't have an engine, it's
Speaker 2: a scooter. An engine defines what a motorcycle is. And
Speaker 2: you know they're just running these these companies into the ground.
Speaker 2: And I wrote an article a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 2: about there's no consequences for this. To get back to
Speaker 2: Carlos Tavares, I think he was paid forty million dollars
Speaker 2: for the last year, that full year that he was
Speaker 2: CEO of Stlantis, So you know, the consequence for him
Speaker 2: is a cushy retirement. You know, if you or I
Speaker 2: are and competent, if we are slipshot, if we don't
Speaker 2: do a good job, anybody, you know, any ordinary person,
Speaker 2: if you're an incompetent plumber, an incompetent electrician, there are consequences.
Speaker 2: You know, you lose work, you lose money, you're probably
Speaker 2: going to lose your house. But you know, we've gotten
Speaker 2: to a point in this country where some of these
Speaker 2: CEOs are paid regardless of performance, and they're paid to
Speaker 2: such an extent that it's it's it's obscene. You know
Speaker 2: that you can get forty million dollars a.
Speaker 1: Year to destroy a contract.
Speaker 2: But it's not performing. It's performing. You're you're you're destroying
Speaker 2: the company and you're being compensated, And you know, I
Speaker 2: feel so terrible for these people who are good people
Speaker 2: who work at Chrysler and Dodge assembly plans, trying to
Speaker 2: make good cars, trying to do something productive, and they're
Speaker 2: the ones who are going to bear the consequences for
Speaker 2: the destruction of these brands.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. I don't keep up with the evolving
Speaker 1: financial ownership of these different companies. Stillantis, what was their background,
Speaker 1: what were the what was the car line that they
Speaker 1: that they owned before that?
Speaker 2: Or was it just created or no, it's you know
Speaker 2: Pouja in or no, it's it's it's a French combine.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So Pouja and Renaud merged to become within.
Speaker 2: To Cron is part of that family. It's just it's
Speaker 2: a big European combine and it was an inappropriate marriage
Speaker 2: because I mean, there's nothing wrong with Puga's or Citrons
Speaker 2: per se.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I've owned a Pugo, I would I
Speaker 1: would disagree with you there. There is something definitely wrong
Speaker 1: with Poujols.
Speaker 2: Is profoundly different. You know, how would the people who
Speaker 2: are running those companies don't really relate to and don't
Speaker 2: understand the mentality of people who are interested in a
Speaker 2: car like a V eight charger. You know, they probably
Speaker 2: regard them with contempt. You know, they look at you
Speaker 2: as a as a Roobe, as a hick, you know,
Speaker 2: some kind of redneck who wants to do burnouts and
Speaker 2: so on, which is partially true at the point.
Speaker 1: There's a lot about it that, right, there's nothing.
Speaker 2: Wrong with that, right, and that was part of the
Speaker 2: joy and fun, and it's part of what made American
Speaker 2: cars different, you know, you and I. I mean there
Speaker 2: was a stark difference when you and I were in
Speaker 2: high school. You know, if you looked at American cars
Speaker 2: over here and European cars over here. Oh yeah, it
Speaker 2: was immediately obvious what the difference was. Now they're kind
Speaker 2: of the world car and they all sort of look
Speaker 2: the same, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Imagine a company that has a product line that
Speaker 1: ranges from the dukes of hazards general lead to a citron.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: What a crazy combination of the stuff that is. And
Speaker 1: as you point out, that's really is a cultural issue.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the British cars and Jaguar and that
Speaker 1: type of thing. I remember, you know, the cheap sports
Speaker 1: cars that were around that. I bought one of them,
Speaker 1: a Spitfire, you know. But the spitfires and the mgs
Speaker 1: and things like that, you know, they had this this
Speaker 1: feel to them that I thought was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: It was this rawness, this unreliability, but it was all
Speaker 1: of this wood did They had a big personality, you know,
Speaker 1: a wood dash ten teeny tiny little car and all
Speaker 1: the rest of this stuff. All of that was part
Speaker 1: of the personality. In the same way that a Dodge
Speaker 1: charger with this big muscle, uh, you know, car is
Speaker 1: also a kind of personality as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oldmoda had a way.
Speaker 2: And you know something else that we flurried away. I
Speaker 2: just wrote an article about this the other day. It's
Speaker 2: a it's an interesting kind of an etymological shift. Remember
Speaker 2: when there were economy cars, Oh yeah, you never hear
Speaker 2: that term you used it anymore. That's been replaced by
Speaker 2: entry level and the distinction is important. You cannot buy
Speaker 2: a car, I'm pretty sure any longer a twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five mile of your car in this country for less
Speaker 2: than twenty thousand dollars. They pretty much pulled all of
Speaker 2: the economy cars off the market and at the same time,
Speaker 2: while there are a handful of economy cars or economical cars,
Speaker 2: I should say, like a good example being a Toyota
Speaker 2: Corolla hybrid. It gets fifty something miles per gallon, but
Speaker 2: the buying cost is much higher because now you're paying
Speaker 2: for this hybrid technology to do things that just an
Speaker 2: engine could do forty years ago. I referenced the Chavette
Speaker 2: of the early eighties, which was available with the diesel. Now,
Speaker 2: I know people will laugh, and back in the day
Speaker 2: people mocked the Chavette because it took what probably sixty
Speaker 2: seconds to get to sixty and its top speed wasn't
Speaker 2: much higher than that, but it was dirt cheap, and
Speaker 2: in addition to that, it was incredibly cheap to drive
Speaker 2: because it got fifty five miles per gallon. Wow, and
Speaker 2: diesel fuel at that time costs less than gasoline. That's
Speaker 2: all gone now, all of the affordable entry level kinds
Speaker 2: of cars, our economy cars, are no longer extant in
Speaker 2: this country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's absolutely true. Matter of if I think
Speaker 1: got a thing here, this is put out by not
Speaker 1: the Bee. They said America is a driving old cars
Speaker 1: than ever. Nobody can afford to maintain them. Thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: the average passenger car was about eight point four years old.
Speaker 1: Today that is thirteen point six. You know, Eric, I
Speaker 1: can remember when I was in high school, like fifty
Speaker 1: years ago, Volvo had an ad campaign talking about, well,
Speaker 1: you know, the average age of a car in Sweden
Speaker 1: is eleven years and they show a picture of a
Speaker 1: Volvo because you know, we're so reliable and all this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And I used to say to people
Speaker 1: all the time, I said, anything to do with rlie building,
Speaker 1: it has to do with socialism. They can't afford a
Speaker 1: new car. You know. We we were changing out cars,
Speaker 1: you know, after like you know, three to five years.
Speaker 1: I guess it was that Americans were switching out their cars,
Speaker 1: but you know, part of it was or that they
Speaker 1: weren't made that well. But the Volvos weren't made that
Speaker 1: much better either. It was really that the people couldn't
Speaker 1: afford to do it, because people weren't keeping the Volvos.
Speaker 1: Not long in the US. But now we got a
Speaker 1: situation where it's at thirteen point six years. And as
Speaker 1: they point out this thing, it's because of inflation, it's
Speaker 1: because of higher interest rates, it's because of a lot
Speaker 1: of other things, but it's really the government of inflation
Speaker 1: and the government expenses because of regulations adding on all
Speaker 1: kinds of unnecessary bells and whistles as you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And they got a picture of a of a truck. Here,
Speaker 1: let's see what model truck is this. This is a
Speaker 1: Silverado twenty twenty four Silverado EV Crew Cab one hundred
Speaker 1: and four thousand, two hundred and ninety one dollars. Or
Speaker 1: you can get it for just thirteen hundred and forty
Speaker 1: dollars a month financing. I can remember and date myself here,
Speaker 1: but this is, this is the ravages of inflation. My
Speaker 1: sister is a good bit older than I am. They
Speaker 1: got married nineteen sixty nine. They got a house like
Speaker 1: the mid seventies, before the big inflation kicked in at
Speaker 1: the end of the seventies, and they got in at
Speaker 1: about what was the median price of a home at
Speaker 1: that time, which is twenty five thousand dollars. Now you
Speaker 1: can't mind, yeah, now you can.
Speaker 2: You can't get an for that anymore.
Speaker 1: No, you can't get a truck for that, you know,
Speaker 1: anywhere close to it. But it's amazing and that again
Speaker 1: is all government inflation, government regulation that is pushing this
Speaker 1: stuff up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got another one for you that bears on this.
Speaker 2: I have an O two Nissan Frontier I think you
Speaker 2: and I have talked about it, which is a little
Speaker 2: compact cup truck, pretty basic when it was new. When
Speaker 2: it was new, its sticker price was just shy thirteen
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Well, I got to thinking about the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four Toyota high Lux Champ, which I think you
Speaker 2: and I have discussed. Yea, yet buy it in this country.
Speaker 2: You can buy it outside of the United States, and
Speaker 2: it costs thirteen thousand dollars. Now here's where it gets
Speaker 2: interesting to me. I plugged my thirteen thousand dollars original
Speaker 2: sticker price from my two Frontier into the Bureau of
Speaker 2: Labor Statistics calculator to find out what that would be
Speaker 2: today in today's inflated dollars. And it turns out it's
Speaker 2: about twenty three thousand dollars today, which would still be
Speaker 2: inexpensive for a new truck in this country. However, my
Speaker 2: truck is very similar to the high Lux, both basic
Speaker 2: for someone manual transmission basic trucks, except the high Lux
Speaker 2: is ten thousand dollars less than real dollars. So that's
Speaker 2: a measure of our impoverishment, you know, in order to
Speaker 2: get something comparable to what you could buy back in
Speaker 2: two thousand and two for about thirteen thousand dollars today,
Speaker 2: you know, assuming you even could you if they allows
Speaker 2: you to buy the high Lux, you know, you're paying
Speaker 2: essentially that much more to get it. You know, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's obscene, and I do my best to make
Speaker 2: people aware of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're paying ten thousand dollars in regulatory costs about Yeah,
Speaker 1: as mandates and things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And they gaslight people by portraying for They
Speaker 2: say the high Lux is unsafe, and what that means
Speaker 2: is that it's not compliant with whatever the jot NENTITTL
Speaker 2: is of the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Code as it
Speaker 2: exists pertaining to twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: model year vehicle. So what does that mean. Well, that
Speaker 2: means it doesn't have six airbags. It doesn't mean it's
Speaker 2: an uncontrollable leap. It doesn't mean it's prone to crash.
Speaker 2: I mean, heck, even that you know, the eighty two
Speaker 2: metro that we were talking about a moment ago. Of course,
Speaker 2: that be considered unsafe today too, as far as the
Speaker 2: regulatory standard school, but millions of people drove them and
Speaker 2: they didn't die in them, you know. I mean, granted,
Speaker 2: it didn't have six airbags, you know, and it didn't
Speaker 2: have all of these bells and whistles and advanced driver
Speaker 2: assistance technologies that they now require a vehicle to have.
Speaker 2: But we're paying through the nose for it, and ironically,
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, I think arguably we've gotten
Speaker 2: to a point where a lot of these safety things
Speaker 2: are making cars less safe. They're the visit sunds. You
Speaker 2: and I have talked about that, and and they're encouraging
Speaker 2: a passivity and recklessness, in my opinion on the part
Speaker 2: of the drivers who have They're habituating people to not
Speaker 2: be responsible for controlling the car. Because, after all, though
Speaker 2: I have lane keep assists, I have automated emergency braking,
Speaker 2: I have all these things, so I can peck at
Speaker 2: my screen on the you know, on the dashboard, and
Speaker 2: I can check my email, and I can play music
Speaker 2: and even watch videos instead of paying attention to my
Speaker 2: driving and not following the car ahead of me too
Speaker 2: closely and things like that.
Speaker 1: Oh, I absolutely hate that lane keep assistance. I've had
Speaker 1: died on some rental cars, and I think that is
Speaker 1: an accident waiting to have an in and of itself.
Speaker 1: But you're right these types of things, and we've seen
Speaker 1: this in the past when they put any like breaking
Speaker 1: stuff on. It didn't help with the accident rate. As
Speaker 1: you point out, it just adjust people's behavior. They want
Speaker 1: you to be less responsible. You look at the way
Speaker 1: they move the Overton window with all the stimulus checks
Speaker 1: and all the rest of this stuff. It's all about
Speaker 1: a pacification program of people in the West, and that
Speaker 1: really is what this is about. You know, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, you mentioned Stilantis and the CEO there.
Speaker 1: Now that he's gone, there's a lot of people there
Speaker 1: that are talking about, you know, the things that he
Speaker 1: did wrong. They wouldn't say it while he was still
Speaker 1: there because they get fired. But a lot of them
Speaker 1: said everybody wanted to keep the HEMI, but he was
Speaker 1: absolutely determined to get rid of it. And so some
Speaker 1: of them are saying, asking will the V eight will
Speaker 1: him me come back? What do you think will they
Speaker 1: bring back on a new management.
Speaker 2: I think it could. And the reason that I say
Speaker 2: that is because they are still making the Durango with
Speaker 2: the V eight, which means they're still making the V eight.
Speaker 2: They have not yet gotten rid of the tooling and
Speaker 2: everything that is necessary to make that engine, so they
Speaker 2: could simply ramp things up again. You know, I've seen
Speaker 2: the new a charger device, you know, the replacement for
Speaker 2: the old charger and Challenger. It's a good looking car.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: They did a really fine job with the styling of
Speaker 2: the you know, this electric charger that they've got on deck.
Speaker 2: And if they were to put the V eight in
Speaker 2: that thing, I think it would sell like gangbusters, particularly
Speaker 2: if they priced reasonably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I look at the money they could say from
Speaker 1: imitating the sound of a V eight.
Speaker 2: Not to mention the self respect, I mean, that's it's
Speaker 2: it's you know, I never talked to Steve Caniskus, who's
Speaker 2: gone now. Caniscus was the guy at Dodge that was
Speaker 2: largely responsible for the renaissance of the muscle car and
Speaker 2: all of the stuff with the with the Hemi and
Speaker 2: the Hellcats and all of that, and that poor guy,
Speaker 2: you know, he left just after remember the Super Bowl ad,
Speaker 2: you know where you know he there was this elaborate
Speaker 2: ad showing the new elector charger and the sound that
Speaker 2: was made. And Aye, my god, I don't know what
Speaker 2: they paid him to do that head, but it cost
Speaker 2: him to self respect, I'm sure. I mean, I can't
Speaker 2: I can't imagine having been a party to that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, well it is. It is a farce,
Speaker 1: isn't it. It truly is a matter of fact that
Speaker 1: Handy says, Hey, Eric, my mom has a sixty three
Speaker 1: sports Roadster Thunderbird. He says, it's beautiful. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the thing, you know, it used to be, as you
Speaker 1: point out many times you said, yeah, it's been a
Speaker 1: kind of you know, anadized. All the styling and everything
Speaker 1: used to have real styling with these things and uglified.
Speaker 2: You know, there was a book I read years ago.
Speaker 2: I think it's called The Architecture of Doom, and it
Speaker 2: was about the Nazis and it was about these brutalist
Speaker 2: buildings that the Nazis will put together, and the Soviets
Speaker 2: did the same thing. All of these these totalitarian regimes,
Speaker 2: they uglify everything, and our our regeat It really is
Speaker 2: true there was a time when when public buildings they
Speaker 2: at least tried to make them look attractive. Now, you know,
Speaker 2: they look they have this this sort of Bauhause industrial
Speaker 2: awful almost Auschwitze, and look to them, and the same
Speaker 2: is true. You know, the same is true with cars.
Speaker 2: They're repellent. You know a lot of them have these
Speaker 2: gaping cat fish faces and you know the overaught, super
Speaker 2: hyper macho look of the trucks. And I know some
Speaker 2: people like that, but it's really difficult to find a
Speaker 2: car that makes you smile anymore. That's what you look
Speaker 2: at it and go, you know, wow, man, that's that's
Speaker 2: just a great looking car. That's that's that's a piece
Speaker 2: of art. I'd like to have that in my living room. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I'd love to have a jet or type
Speaker 2: in my living room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or on the left either way. Yeah, yeah, it is. Uh.
Speaker 1: We talk about the architecture, the brutalist architecture. That's the
Speaker 1: thing I really hate. I went to the University of
Speaker 1: South Faria that I went to open up like in
Speaker 1: the early sixties or late fifties or something, and so
Speaker 1: it's all this mid century brutalist architecture, which is just
Speaker 1: raw concrete. You know, the buildings that I went to
Speaker 1: class and from the outside that looked like a really
Speaker 1: cheap imitation of a castle or something, you know, just
Speaker 1: very uninvited, very unappealing, just awful and institutional looking. And
Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff that we have now produced
Speaker 1: in our society. Is Roger Scrutin did a great series
Speaker 1: about the importance of beauty. You know, you're talking about architecture,
Speaker 1: you're talking about art, he's talking about music and how
Speaker 1: all these things have been trashed. The word of the
Speaker 1: year and I'll just put this out there warning for
Speaker 1: the kids was a term that they developed called in
Speaker 1: shitification that what is happening to everything, whether it's how
Speaker 1: a device works or what something looks like, that pretty
Speaker 1: much encapsulates it right there.
Speaker 2: It's not elevating, it's not inspiring. It instills despair and sadness,
Speaker 2: and you know, it gives you the sense of hopelessness,
Speaker 2: and you know, this is not a healthy thing. And
Speaker 2: the people who who are driving this, I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I'm increasingly persuaded that they're malicious. There's something wrong with them,
Speaker 2: and you know they are trying to just tear everything
Speaker 2: down for the sake of it. It's a nihilist evil
Speaker 2: even mindset.
Speaker 1: I agree. Well, you know, when we look at the
Speaker 1: the the idea of Antonio Gramsey, they're going to march
Speaker 1: through the institutions. You know, he said, instead of us
Speaker 1: fighting it out in the streets with a revolution like
Speaker 1: that in Europe over class and that type of thing,
Speaker 1: we need to take over the institutions from the top down.
Speaker 1: And you know, over the years you and I have
Speaker 1: talked about this. I really do believe that these people,
Speaker 1: like this newly departed Stlantis CEO, were fully in on
Speaker 1: the game and they were willing to sacrifice their companies
Speaker 1: I think for this political agenda. I think some of
Speaker 1: the stockholders and other people had a different idea, And
Speaker 1: you know, it seemed to me like their endgame was
Speaker 1: that they were going to be one of the last
Speaker 1: one or two the be standing that they would be
Speaker 1: a favorite of a government either in France or in
Speaker 1: the United States or Germany or something like that, and
Speaker 1: they'd be given the concession to run the autonomous cars,
Speaker 1: which looks like that's what Elon Musk is going for.
Speaker 1: But I think this they they the words of George W. Bush.
Speaker 1: They misunderestimated the contempt the American people for their plan,
Speaker 1: and they're going to go out of business before they
Speaker 1: could make that happen.
Speaker 2: They have a mercenary mindset. You know, you could put
Speaker 2: these same people in charge of a toothpaste company and
Speaker 2: it would be the same thing. And you know, if
Speaker 2: you look at the automobile industry in the past, when
Speaker 2: it was when it was successful and it was something
Speaker 2: that made people feel good, you had people like Sir
Speaker 2: William Lyyant in charge of who loved cars, and you
Speaker 2: had people are we okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well okay, it's just telling hand there. It was
Speaker 1: a comment that disappeared and so okay, go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know the founder of Toyota, you know, this
Speaker 2: was a guy who really loved the vehicle and believed
Speaker 2: in it, and for him it was a family concern,
Speaker 2: you know. And a year or so ago they edged
Speaker 2: out Akio Toyota, who was the grandson of the founder.
Speaker 2: And you know, he had the guts actually to come out,
Speaker 2: you know, when it wasn't popular and to say that
Speaker 2: this push to these devices, this this this bums rush
Speaker 2: to electrify everything is going to be the end of
Speaker 2: the company, and you know, good on him for doing that,
Speaker 2: for standing up at the time that it was appropriate
Speaker 2: to do that. They are now beginning to come around.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Mazda. You know, Mazda, you know, was very,
Speaker 2: to use the word hesitant about increasing all of this
Speaker 2: electrification stuff.
Speaker 1: They were dragging their feet more than anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're smart on that part. Yeah, because they have
Speaker 2: not committed massive resources to failure as all of these
Speaker 2: other car companies have, which has been just completely disastrous.
Speaker 2: Volkswagen and Nissan are on the verge of flowing out
Speaker 2: of business because of all of the money that they've
Speaker 2: lost on pushing these electric cars. Board is not much
Speaker 2: better off, and General Motors isn't a bad way too.
Speaker 2: You know, this is a cancer that has been metastasizing
Speaker 2: across the entire industry.
Speaker 1: And we've had our rhino governor here, Bill Lee, and Tennessee,
Speaker 1: you know, gave all kinds of money to forward to
Speaker 1: do a electric plant, just as it's all circling the
Speaker 1: drain and going down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Masda CEO had made some statements. He said the
Speaker 1: range extending version of the rotary engine is only offered
Speaker 1: in certain markets and this is something you've talked about
Speaker 1: before in the past. What was it, Chevy Bolt? I
Speaker 1: think that had a gasoline engine that was just there
Speaker 1: to charge the battery. But otherwise it's fully electric drive.
Speaker 1: And you know, that would have been a perfect utilization
Speaker 1: for the Mazda rotary engines. This is so compact, wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, compact and efficient, you know, and operates at a
Speaker 2: steady speed and its only purpose is to generate electricity
Speaker 2: to feed the battery. And that's you know, that's not
Speaker 2: necessarily a bad idea. Yeah, the volt was a practical
Speaker 2: electric car, which of course is interesting. That's why they
Speaker 2: don't make it anymore, because it was actually practical. And
Speaker 2: you note that, you know, the latest thing that the
Speaker 2: engineer is. Boy, you feel bad for these guys, or
Speaker 2: at least idea the work that they have to do
Speaker 2: to try to figure out ways to kind of end
Speaker 2: run and get around everything that the government throws at them.
Speaker 2: They came up with this idea of the plug in
Speaker 2: hybrid to deal with these electric car mandates. And of
Speaker 2: course Michael redguard rig and the guy who's currently in
Speaker 2: charge of the EPA, was bemoaning the fact that people
Speaker 2: aren't plugging these things in. In other words, they're not
Speaker 2: tethering them to the core, which is from their point
Speaker 2: of use, a problem as opposed to know, people just
Speaker 2: want to get in their cars and.
Speaker 1: Drive, well, they want it plugged in because that's their
Speaker 1: whole game, is a centralized control. They want you plugged
Speaker 1: into a centrally controlled grid. We've talked about that forever
Speaker 1: as well. But you know, the mas the CEO just
Speaker 1: came out, he said. Americans primarily want gas cars. He said,
Speaker 1: even at the end of the decade, he believes traditional
Speaker 1: gas cars and mild hybrid models will make up about
Speaker 1: two thirds of Mazda's annual sales. He thinks that plug ins,
Speaker 1: plug in hybrids, and evs will represent the remaining third.
Speaker 1: In other words, most vehicles will still have gas engines
Speaker 1: five years from now. And when he talks about the
Speaker 1: mild hybrid models, I think what he's talking about is,
Speaker 1: you know, the the rotary engine. They're charging batteries which
Speaker 1: were not allowed to have in this country, and the
Speaker 1: Europeans are shutting this down because they come up with
Speaker 1: this absolutism, you know, zero emissions, and it's the same
Speaker 1: kind of destructive authoritarian absolutism as zero covid COVID.
Speaker 2: Yeah. At the core of this, the problem I think is, well,
Speaker 2: there are many problems. One of the fundamental problems really
Speaker 2: isn't range, which everybody talks about so much. It's the
Speaker 2: wait time associated with the charge. Yes, yeah, and this
Speaker 2: is just not acceptable, you know, And they try very
Speaker 2: hard to equivocate and rationalize, and they'll talk about, well,
Speaker 2: you know, you could recover what was the latest figure,
Speaker 2: something like, you know, ten miles in a couple of
Speaker 2: minutes or something like that. Well, that's not going to
Speaker 2: take you very far. And I can put you know,
Speaker 2: it literally takes seconds to pump one gallon of gas
Speaker 2: into a car, and that one gallon will take the
Speaker 2: typical car thirty miles. And you know, if you pump
Speaker 2: four or five gallons, which takes two minutes maybe less
Speaker 2: than that, now you can go a couple hundred miles.
Speaker 2: Most people are just not going to accept standing there
Speaker 2: or being tethered to some charger at a sheets. I mean,
Speaker 2: you want to sit in at sheets for fifteen or
Speaker 2: twenty minutes, and it's not just once a week. Again,
Speaker 2: you know, you get into circle the drained kind of
Speaker 2: synergistic problem because the range isn't much to begin with,
Speaker 2: which means you have to charge often. And since you
Speaker 2: don't get much charge unless you're willing to wait a
Speaker 2: really long time, you start out with even less range.
Speaker 2: So now you have to end up at the sheets
Speaker 2: or the Walmart or wherever this fast charger is and
Speaker 2: you know, sit there. I mean imagine that a couple
Speaker 2: of times a week, maybe even three times a week,
Speaker 2: having to go park at a sheets, you know, for
Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes or for a half hour. Who's going
Speaker 2: to willingly do that?
Speaker 1: Well? You know, and Elon Musk is actually doubling down
Speaker 1: on this thing because he's creating this elaborate thing. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've seen it in California. It's like this, you know,
Speaker 1: retro futuristic, like drive in theater, you know, where people
Speaker 1: it's a destination where people are going to go to
Speaker 1: hang out and meet and do social stuff and all
Speaker 1: the rest of this stuff for a very very long time.
Speaker 1: But he can't reproduce that everywhere, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't have that kind of time, you know, are
Speaker 1: you right?
Speaker 2: You got to go to work? Yeah, you know what
Speaker 2: kind of fantasy world of these people living.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, I know what kind of fantasy world
Speaker 1: he lives in.
Speaker 2: Right, he's a multi billionaire, so you know he for him,
Speaker 2: work is optional. He can't if he wants to. Most people,
Speaker 2: on the other hand, have got to be someplace, that's right.
Speaker 2: You know, they're expected to be at their employer and
Speaker 2: ready to work at a certain time of the day.
Speaker 2: They have appointments, they have to keep things of that nature.
Speaker 2: That's just life. You know. They don't have an extra
Speaker 2: hour a week to budget just sitting around to wait somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he knows that. I mean, it's one of
Speaker 1: the things that he's focused on with this doge, things
Speaker 1: like we're not gonna let people work from home, that
Speaker 1: type of you've got to be there and and so
Speaker 1: he pushes that with his employees. But when it comes
Speaker 1: to him, he's like in the top twenty on the
Speaker 1: Diablo video game worldwide, So he's got plenty of time
Speaker 1: on his hand when he's when he's not being a billionaire, right,
Speaker 1: that's right, when he's not hanging out in mar Alago,
Speaker 1: he's got other people running the companies for him.
Speaker 2: But I'd be interested to see whether now that you
Speaker 2: know he's good friends with Donald Trump, whether Trump is
Speaker 2: going to rescind the seventy five hundred dollars tacks kick
Speaker 2: back and and eliminate all of the carbon credits that
Speaker 2: have given Elon Musk so many of his billions. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we began by talking about how GM
Speaker 1: was bailing out of this autonomous cruise thing, but he
Speaker 1: is doubling down on it and saying that's going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, the wave of the future. Nobody's going to
Speaker 1: have any gasoline cars, and nobody's going to be driving
Speaker 1: their cars, and he's going to own everybody's car and
Speaker 1: as we've talked about many times, rent it to you
Speaker 1: by the ride. Meanwhile, the Mazda CEO says, customers just
Speaker 1: looking for affordable solutions rather than electrified solutions. That's the
Speaker 1: government's desire for you. They're looking for better value, he's said,
Speaker 1: and they're looking for reliable internal combustion engines. Boy, he's
Speaker 1: spot on, absolutely spot on.
Speaker 2: And I also want the spontaneity that attends the freedom
Speaker 2: of movement that we have taken for granted for so long,
Speaker 2: which I think it's beginning to dawn. On people we
Speaker 2: ought not to take for granted? What do I mean
Speaker 2: by that? You know, if I wanted to after we're
Speaker 2: done with our interview, I can just jump in my
Speaker 2: truck and go somewhere. You know, I don't have to
Speaker 2: think about, well have I charged it up enough? And
Speaker 2: have I got enough range to go where I want
Speaker 2: to go? And if I get there, do I have
Speaker 2: time to wait? You know, we as a culture have
Speaker 2: enjoyed this magnificent, wonderful benefit of just being able to
Speaker 2: go wherever we want to go, whenever we feel like it.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't have to plan your life around
Speaker 2: it because you just put some gas that didn't go.
Speaker 2: You could literally drive across the country if you felt
Speaker 2: like it, just just because you know, I wanted to
Speaker 2: take that away from us.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it really is. You know, when when
Speaker 1: Karen and I got married forty four years ago, he
Speaker 1: went to London and the UK to kind of hang out,
Speaker 1: and we got this ticket to ride the public transportation,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like you get a discount for
Speaker 1: doing it, so you could ride the buses, and you
Speaker 1: could ride the subway and everything. In a lot of cases,
Speaker 1: it was kind of convenient, but when it came to
Speaker 1: buses and you had to get somewhere else or to
Speaker 1: a train, you know, just setting around waiting for their schedule,
Speaker 1: and it's like wow, you know, I'm just used to
Speaker 1: jumping in a car and going in doing what I want.
Speaker 1: The distances weren't that large, but you know, they're further
Speaker 1: than you could walk. But it was such a straining thing.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was really annoying. I got a couple of comments
Speaker 1: here when to get to audi Modern Retro Radio dot com.
Speaker 1: Good to see you there. He says. Reason CEOs are
Speaker 1: destroying their own companies' brands is because the New World
Speaker 1: Order United Nations puppets. They wouldn't be in those positions
Speaker 1: if they weren't. I agree, sort of. Prosessions says getting
Speaker 1: ads on live shows now rumble is starting to suck
Speaker 1: like that. Every product we get goes fast before it's banned.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was happening. I didn't know we're
Speaker 1: getting I'm not seeing any revenue from that.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, people are willing to sell out, you know, particularly
Speaker 2: if they're hands at a really big check.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a horrendous thing. You know, I've never
Speaker 2: had somebody offer me a billion dollars, you know, to
Speaker 2: sell out, and you know, being honest, who knows I would?
Speaker 2: Hope I wouldn't. It's an awfully tempting thing.
Speaker 1: Well, you know that was always a thing that you
Speaker 1: remember the game Scruples. I don't know if you ever
Speaker 1: played that or not, but we, yes, I do, we
Speaker 1: played it. In After a while, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a pattern here. You know, they got the
Speaker 1: same types of things that are going on, and will
Speaker 1: you do it for this amount of money? How about
Speaker 1: for that amount of money? You know, And so they
Speaker 1: start changing the dollar amounts and just tweaking it slightly
Speaker 1: to say, you know, what's your selling point.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you know, we
Speaker 2: have to live with ourselves. And if you have any
Speaker 2: kind of a conscience, and you're going to look at that
Speaker 2: man in the mirror or that woman in the mirror
Speaker 2: and either are going to be happy with what you
Speaker 2: see or not. And that's not something that you can
Speaker 2: put a price on.
Speaker 1: That's right. And I know as a Christian, one day
Speaker 1: I'm going to stand before God face to face. It's
Speaker 1: going to be more frightening than the mirror. I got
Speaker 1: to tell you that, uh isn't going to help you.
Speaker 2: Then that's right.
Speaker 1: Another comment here and it disappeared. I think, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: here it does Wes Robertson. He says an automotive industry
Speaker 1: collapse could send the US into a depression of me
Speaker 1: thinks we're the evs, a monkey wrench that was thrown
Speaker 1: into the system for that purpose.
Speaker 2: What do you think it could well be? And you know,
Speaker 2: we've got about a month until the Orange Man ascends
Speaker 2: to the Purple and it will be very interesting to
Speaker 2: see what he does. You know, I would like to
Speaker 2: see him make cars great again, you know, forget America.
Speaker 2: One way he could make America great again is by,
Speaker 2: among other things, ending the chicken tacks that prevents a
Speaker 2: lot of these manufacturers from importing these affordable vehicles, particularly
Speaker 2: small trucks, into this country. He could do that. You know,
Speaker 2: how about letting Americans buy that thirteen thousand dollars Toyota
Speaker 2: Highlux champ. Can you imagine what a boon that would
Speaker 2: be to some young person who wants to start a
Speaker 2: contracting business.
Speaker 1: You know, oh, I great, that would be great. But
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll do it because he's all about
Speaker 1: stopping imports.
Speaker 2: You know, that's right. And you know, again that's what
Speaker 2: we call law enforcement of clue. You know, we'll see
Speaker 2: what he does. You know, we've had a couple of
Speaker 2: I wrote it. I think he probably saw what I
Speaker 2: wrote about his awful choices to be the next surgeon general.
Speaker 2: And then that other the guy, the thug that he
Speaker 2: had tapped to be the head of the DEA. Luckily
Speaker 2: that guy had to bow out. But that horrendous Covidian
Speaker 2: kabuki a pusher that he's tapped to be the surgeon general.
Speaker 2: What does that tell you about you? Why would he
Speaker 2: choose those people? Of all the people that he could
Speaker 2: have chosen, he chose people like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh she's awful, absolutely awful. You've got a
Speaker 1: couple of a couple of things there about it. But
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at he likes to go everywhere.
Speaker 1: He says, well, future, whether we're going to destroy build
Speaker 1: this country back, we're going to do drill, baby, drill.
Speaker 1: That's his favorite phrase. He says that all the time. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, he left the Paris Climate Accord in and
Speaker 1: when we talk about shutting down the economy completely. That's
Speaker 1: what that's about.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can throw a monkey wrench into the automotive
Speaker 1: industry and shut it down, But if you want to
Speaker 1: shut down all industry and all manufacturing, that's what the
Speaker 1: purpose of the Paris Climate Accord is. And it was
Speaker 1: a treaty, and it was a treaty that we got
Speaker 1: into because Obama and John Kerry said we're in it,
Speaker 1: and there wasn't. Trump wouldn't do anything to stop that,
Speaker 1: and neither would any of the senators. Nobody would call
Speaker 1: it out. They all pretended that we were in it.
Speaker 1: And a clause that was put in there that I
Speaker 1: think was put in there just for the United States, says, well,
Speaker 1: if you decide that you're going to get out of
Speaker 1: the Paris Agreement, you got to wait four years. And
Speaker 1: so Trump says, Okay, I'm going to get out of it,
Speaker 1: but I can't do it then until just after the
Speaker 1: election in twenty twenty. And of course that we were
Speaker 1: out of it for maybe a month or something, you know,
Speaker 1: before Biden puts us back in. They don't have the
Speaker 1: authority to put us in this. But when you look
Speaker 1: at what has been done to the UK, for example.
Speaker 1: I mean they're shutting down all of their not just
Speaker 1: their their coal power plants, but they're shutting down the
Speaker 1: coal plants that they use to make steel, and they're
Speaker 1: shutting down the mines. It's complete de industrialization.
Speaker 2: They're criminalizing farming, that's right, that's right, because they want
Speaker 2: to want to throttle the foodsply that's right. No, it's
Speaker 2: literally it's literally a depopulation agenda. It's an impoverishment agenda.
Speaker 2: And the common denominator is that all of these people
Speaker 2: who are pushing this are people who are at the
Speaker 2: very apex of the pyramid and who have creosis like wealth,
Speaker 2: and they'll be immune from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the apex predators.
Speaker 2: A stickability of it, you know. They it's not to worry.
Speaker 2: I've got my bunker with my thousands and thousands of
Speaker 2: gallons of diesel fuel and my generators, and I've got
Speaker 2: all the food I could possibly want for the next
Speaker 2: fifty years. It's for you and me and all of
Speaker 2: the deplorables to deal with this new dark age that
Speaker 2: they want to that they want to create, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want a feudal society, they want a technocratic
Speaker 1: feudal society, which is, you know, their new spin on it.
Speaker 1: Seth Lander again, thank you very much for the tippy says,
Speaker 1: Happy holidays, everybody. Just got an eighty four dodge Ram
Speaker 1: Custom one hundred three eighteen kubic inch for my sixteen
Speaker 1: year old son. Good, simple and easy to work on.
Speaker 1: Great for learning mechanics. And if your son can learn that,
Speaker 1: that's going to be learn that. Learn how to work
Speaker 1: on the car, and learn a little bit about how
Speaker 1: to make how to use a three D printer, and
Speaker 1: you're set forever.
Speaker 2: Prittor part means a great engine, not a super powerhouse,
Speaker 2: but a good, rugged, reliable engine and something that can
Speaker 2: literally be rebuilt from the oil pan to the carb breader.
Speaker 2: You know, if you learn how to use some big tools,
Speaker 2: you can do it for about one thousand bucks the
Speaker 2: machine machine costs and parts.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's going to be the way of
Speaker 1: the futures is people are starting to get out of
Speaker 1: what they're trying to and trap us in.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And so you got an article because you you focus
Speaker 1: very uh carefully and always have on this so called
Speaker 1: pandemic stuff from the very beginning of the nonsense about it.
Speaker 1: You got an article up there about the rumors about
Speaker 1: pardoning Faunci. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2: Uhh, well, the president was set with Nixon. You know
Speaker 2: people have talked about, well, how can you partner somebody
Speaker 2: who hasn't been charged, let alone convicted of anything. Well,
Speaker 2: that that happened with Nixon's Nixon was informally charged, let
Speaker 2: alone convicted of anything, but Jerry Ford pardoned him in advance.
Speaker 2: So it certainly could be done, and it would provide
Speaker 2: a really interesting way for Donald Trump to claim his
Speaker 2: hands are tied and he can't do anything to bring
Speaker 2: Fauci to account. Never mind that Fauci basically ran the
Speaker 2: country for the last year of Trump's presidency, well while
Speaker 2: Trump stood by his side like a kind of spray
Speaker 2: Tan Wooden Indian. Yeah, he did absolutely nothing about it.
Speaker 2: You know, I wonder whether you know there's a terment
Speaker 2: in pro wrestling. It's called kfeb. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: I'm pronouncing it correctly, but it's just basically about these
Speaker 2: guys who are orchestrating their performance, you know, for the
Speaker 2: benefit of the crowd. And you've got you've got the face,
Speaker 2: the you know, the good guy Hulk, and then you've
Speaker 2: got to heal the bad guy, Iron Cheek.
Speaker 1: You know what Trump was referring to.
Speaker 2: He said, that's it, you know, And so Iron Sheek
Speaker 2: would hit Hulk over the head with the folding chair,
Speaker 2: and you know, the halt would stagger, you know, like
Speaker 2: he was going to fall, and then you know, and
Speaker 2: and then he'd recover his strength, and you know, then
Speaker 2: he'd come back and he'd slammed the sheet to the
Speaker 2: ground and everybody would share because the good guy won.
Speaker 2: And you know, I wonder whether that what's going on
Speaker 2: with Biden and Trump. You know, maybe they sit behind
Speaker 2: the curtain together and they have a beer together. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised. And if Biden does part in fauci,
Speaker 2: that will be evidence of that having happened. In other
Speaker 2: pieces of evidence, we'll see whether Trump actually does issue
Speaker 2: a blanket pardon to people who actually deserve it and
Speaker 2: for whom the pardon power was intended, meaning those people
Speaker 2: that Trump threw under the bus for the January sixth
Speaker 2: so called insurrection, who've been rotting in jail for nearly
Speaker 2: four years, who at most were guilty of disturbing the peace,
Speaker 2: and maybe trespassing, the kinds of things you and I
Speaker 2: would have gotten a ticket for, not litt alone be
Speaker 2: thrown in a cage.
Speaker 1: Oh, it disgusts me, you know. And one of the
Speaker 1: guys that was rounded up, and I talked about this earlier,
Speaker 1: how they're accelerating the arrests of people even after the election,
Speaker 1: and immediately before the election, none of the judges would say, well,
Speaker 1: we'll do a continuous and see what's going to happen
Speaker 1: if Trump's going to pardon people. But you know, one
Speaker 1: of the guys cowboys for Trump, he said, this is
Speaker 1: the greatest entrapman in history. And it was an entrapment
Speaker 1: by Trump. And you know, his lawyers telling him, oh, no,
Speaker 1: you can't do anything about it. Is that non violent
Speaker 1: behavior of what people did is expressly permitted in the
Speaker 1: First Amendment to peacefully assemble and redress your grievances. To
Speaker 1: peacefully assemble and redress your grievances is protected. But he
Speaker 1: didn't have the backbone to do anything about it because
Speaker 1: he's got a lawyer telling him, Hey, they're going to
Speaker 1: come after you. Well they came after him anyway, And
Speaker 1: so I think it's a good thing that you know,
Speaker 1: the Hunter Hunter Biden pardon is going to essentially, I think,
Speaker 1: force him to do something about it. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you look at the the total betrayal of these
Speaker 1: people and how you know, Republicans in general have just
Speaker 1: run from it. There's only a couple of them that
Speaker 1: even bothered to go to the prisons, and you know,
Speaker 1: talk about the horrific conditions that are there. But you know,
Speaker 1: this is something Eric, I've seen all my life, the
Speaker 1: CIA going in orchestrating coups and then training the dictator
Speaker 1: that they put in to run a secret police. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is you know, this is a pattern that has
Speaker 1: gone on all my life with a CIA.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but it's more blatant now, and it's more controus.
Speaker 2: You know, I think they're playing with dynamite. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, you see things. Everybody sees things like this
Speaker 2: egregious cretan Hunter Biden and various other people like that
Speaker 2: literally getting away with like appalling horrific crimes involving real
Speaker 2: harm to real people. And meanwhile, people who haven't harmed anybody,
Speaker 2: and you know who are guilty of it most some
Speaker 2: sort of a minor jaywalking style technical foul and fraction
Speaker 2: are prosecuted to the nth degree for things like that,
Speaker 2: and people are really getting tired of it, I think,
Speaker 2: And I think this is one good thing about Orange
Speaker 2: Man is I do think he's sort of set in
Speaker 2: motion a populist uprising, you know. And I just hope
Speaker 2: that this populist uprising isn't channeled in the wrong direction
Speaker 2: and then becomes the pretext for something even more awful
Speaker 2: than we've been dealing with for the past four years.
Speaker 1: Well, the problem with the popular uprising is that it's
Speaker 1: idle worshiped, you know, you know, and I saw it
Speaker 1: with some of the Tea Party stuff earlier on, you know,
Speaker 1: when they said the tax enough already and we got
Speaker 1: to cut taxes and all our And there's an echo
Speaker 1: of that with Doge and that nonsense that, and I
Speaker 1: think that's going to be a bunch of nonsense. There's
Speaker 1: not anything that you know, Musk and Ramaswami can make.
Speaker 1: All the recommendations that they want, doesn't mean anything. I've
Speaker 1: seen one commission after another over the last thirty or
Speaker 1: forty years make all kinds of recommendations, but it requires
Speaker 1: Congress to act on it. We can't even get Mike
Speaker 1: Johnson to allocate some money to help the people who
Speaker 1: are freezing to death. Literally, we had somebody who died
Speaker 1: from the cold. He won't do anything to help them,
Speaker 1: but he'll keep channeling the money to foreign wars. No
Speaker 1: problem foreign governments. You know, he doesn't have any problem
Speaker 1: with that. So they're not going to do anything to
Speaker 1: seriously reform it. And the vast bulk of the money
Speaker 1: that's being spent, even if you were to say they
Speaker 1: were going to cut back on the on the wars
Speaker 1: and turned industrial complex, the vast bulk of the money
Speaker 1: is there with entitlement programs that they would have to
Speaker 1: change the law on. So there's not really anything that's
Speaker 1: going to happen with any of that.
Speaker 2: I agree ultimately, I think this is just industrial policy,
Speaker 2: you know, Soviet style command and control, and it just
Speaker 2: comes down to, well, which which person is going to
Speaker 2: direct this sovietized economy and in what direction will it be.
Speaker 2: It's not let's return to a free market model, one
Speaker 2: in which people are free to transact with one another
Speaker 2: non coercibly. That's an anthem can have that you know,
Speaker 2: it's always got to be at the direction of some
Speaker 2: some leader and you're right about the cult of personality
Speaker 2: that's surrounding Trump. I saw something the other day. You
Speaker 2: may have seen it as well. Apparently they're going to
Speaker 2: erect some god awful statute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, several stories. I yeah, fight fight fighting thing or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it is. I'm already going to spray paint
Speaker 2: the thing gold to.
Speaker 1: They keep saying that they are not guilty of idolatry.
Speaker 1: But if it looks like it, it walks like it,
Speaker 1: it stands like it, it looks like it's idolatry to me,
Speaker 1: I tell you it's They just keep going down that road.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. You know that it's been
Speaker 1: a misdirection. Just like the Tea Party, they started focusing on, well,
Speaker 1: we're taxing of already. Okay, so what do we do
Speaker 1: about this? Are we going to cut some programs or
Speaker 1: what do you want to talk about? They didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk about that, and they didn't want to talk
Speaker 1: about the proper role of government, and neither does Trump.
Speaker 1: Trump wants to make this all about loyalty to himself,
Speaker 1: and he's not making this even when you look at
Speaker 1: this talk about getting revenge and things, and he says well,
Speaker 1: success is going to be our revenge. And yet at
Speaker 1: the same time throughout that interview, interwoven through it is
Speaker 1: this undercurrent of I'm going to get even with these
Speaker 1: people instead of instead of saying, okay, we're going to
Speaker 1: have a truce and we're going to re establish a
Speaker 1: rule of laws so the victor doesn't get to jail
Speaker 1: his political enemies. They're not going to do that, and
Speaker 1: they're not going to fix the economy, and you know,
Speaker 1: all of this drill baby, drill stuff. I really think
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with it? Eric, I think they're
Speaker 1: going to come in. You know, we got as a
Speaker 1: tag team match. And so you've got the Democrats like
Speaker 1: Biden and all the rest of them. They come in
Speaker 1: with prohibition, right, they got prohibition on crypto, they got
Speaker 1: prohibition on energy use. Trump is going to come in
Speaker 1: and say we're going to open up everything and everybody
Speaker 1: can do whatever they want to with crypto, and you
Speaker 1: can use whatever form of energy you want, but you'll
Speaker 1: pay a carbon tax or you'll have to pay for
Speaker 1: carbon sequestration, which my buddies have already set up a
Speaker 1: business to monetize that, and my buddies have already set
Speaker 1: up a business to tokenize everything, and so I think
Speaker 1: that's the danger. You know, it was one pastor said
Speaker 1: God's delivered us from money to challenge us with another.
Speaker 1: They're going to come at us with the same agenda,
Speaker 1: but they're going to do it in a subversive way
Speaker 1: to make you think that it's going to be, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's just an open market freedom type of thing, and
Speaker 1: you know, but it's going to be that type of approach.
Speaker 2: I think, Well, I agree, And the people who would
Speaker 2: ordinarily be apt or inclined to resist question it if
Speaker 2: it were say Biden or Harris we're promoting it, will
Speaker 2: accept it because it's their guy who's who's imposing it.
Speaker 2: One of the great worries that I've got. You know,
Speaker 2: Trump's selection campaign really hinged on this, you know, this
Speaker 2: tsunami of illegals that have been entering the country over
Speaker 2: the past four years. How exactly is he going to
Speaker 2: identify and deport all of these people? How exactly is
Speaker 2: he going to do.
Speaker 1: That national ib right.
Speaker 2: My fear is he can sue some sort of a
Speaker 2: papers please Passport checkport regime on us, you know, in
Speaker 2: the name of apprehending and identifying all of these non
Speaker 2: citizen aliens who are in the country. And I think
Speaker 2: unfortunately a lot of you know, these gung home mega
Speaker 2: people will say, yeah, we got to do that. So
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to have a new apparat like
Speaker 2: we got with the Homeland Security apparat under Bush, you know,
Speaker 2: after nine to eleven. So you know, now Americans are
Speaker 2: used to having to deal with these blue shirted goons
Speaker 2: to get on an airplane. Well, soon, are they're going
Speaker 2: to get used to having to deal with goons wearing
Speaker 2: other kinds of sh at every border, at every state
Speaker 2: or when they drive across the county line? Are they
Speaker 2: going to get used to having to stop at a
Speaker 2: checkpoint and move to the satisfaction of some government goon
Speaker 2: that they're an American citizen. I think it's a possibility.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, it is a possibility. Take a look at
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I mean, you know, we've got and
Speaker 1: they're still pouring it on with the job's stuff. Right.
Speaker 1: So DeSantis and Republicans in Florida say, we're going to
Speaker 1: have mandatory you verify, Mandatory you verify to get a job.
Speaker 1: We're going to have to have an ID and biometric
Speaker 1: ID to fly anywhere. The real idea is kicking in
Speaker 1: next year under Trump. Right, the Republicans have always pushed
Speaker 1: back against, but now they're going to bring it in
Speaker 1: under Trump. Biometric IDs with TSA. They want control so
Speaker 1: they can have jobs because illegals are taking our jobs away.
Speaker 1: They want to have a voter ID. It's ID I
Speaker 1: D ID. Even online, you know, we got we can't
Speaker 1: control our kids access to social media, so we need
Speaker 1: to have an online idea to get onto social media
Speaker 1: or whatever. All of this stuff is pushed towards an
Speaker 1: I D. And interestingly enough, every one of those things
Speaker 1: that I mentioned are sore points with conservatives because Biden
Speaker 1: has come in and made these things worse for the
Speaker 1: most part, and so now Trump will come in. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a problem solution, problem solution, and they hand this
Speaker 1: stuff off like a relay baton with each other.
Speaker 2: Right, It's it's quite worrisome. You know, there's this authoritarian
Speaker 2: law and order undercurrent that that is behind MAGA, and
Speaker 2: it really bothers me. It's something that has long bothered
Speaker 2: me about the Conservatives.
Speaker 1: Oh you must love Tom Homan. What fuck that guy is?
Speaker 1: He's a stereotypical bad sheriff in town, isn't he Well,
Speaker 1: it's amazing, you know.
Speaker 2: Don't go by what they say, go by what they do.
Speaker 2: You know. I got into a lively debate with the
Speaker 2: number of people over this guy. I think his name
Speaker 2: is Chad Honis. Oh yeah, this guy was one of
Speaker 2: the most brutal of the COVID thugs he had. Not
Speaker 2: only did he have this pastor or arrested in Florida
Speaker 2: for having the effrontery to allow people who wanted to
Speaker 2: attend his services.
Speaker 1: We're almost out of time. Yeah, I told everybody he's
Speaker 1: perfect the DEA, because the DEA doesn't respect for the constitution.
Speaker 2: Just tell us, wasn't he wasn't doing anything more than
Speaker 2: opening the doors and saying, hey, if you want to
Speaker 2: come in and worship, you're free to do so. Not
Speaker 2: only did he have that man arrested, but he publicly
Speaker 2: shamed him. He had a big press conference where he
Speaker 2: denounced him for being a threat to public health. Oh
Speaker 2: I still granted, I agree all the person and Trump
Speaker 2: chose him. Think about what that says about Trump.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, hang on care and keep it going
Speaker 1: for a second. And the other part this is. A
Speaker 1: listener pointed out to me, said, his father in law
Speaker 1: was a billionaire who is convicted of a crime that
Speaker 1: Trump pardoned. So that's how this democrat who is so
Speaker 1: heavily connected with all these other people, that's how he
Speaker 1: got his name in the hat. Because that's all it takes,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Eric, It's truly amazing before we go tell
Speaker 1: people about your side, anything that you want to tell
Speaker 1: people about there, Eric, it's kind.
Speaker 2: Of eclectic for those who aren't familiar with it. You know,
Speaker 2: I call it the world's best libertarian car site because
Speaker 2: as far as I know, it's the only libertarian car site. So,
Speaker 2: you know, when we get into all sorts of things,
Speaker 2: we get into the stuff that other car sites get into,
Speaker 2: which means car reviews, technical stuff, things having to do
Speaker 2: with what's going on in the business. But we also
Speaker 2: have a lively conversation going on there about the things
Speaker 2: that you and I talk about about, political things, some
Speaker 2: of them tie into cars, some of them don't, But
Speaker 2: all of these things are kind of related when you
Speaker 2: really think about it, And so that's what I try
Speaker 2: to do there. I try to have a synergistic kind
Speaker 2: of bringing together of all these common themes and try
Speaker 2: to explain to people how they're related and they're not
Speaker 2: separate things that aren't connected, because they really are connected.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: You talk about real cars, you don't talk about these
Speaker 1: hyper cars that are out there. Although even the real
Speaker 1: cars that they are starting to get hyper expensive, aren't they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even the hyper cars aren't that interesting anymore. You know.
Speaker 2: Back in the day, you know, a Ferrari or a
Speaker 2: Lamborghini was really a spectacular car. I mean again, just
Speaker 2: like with the jag you lift the look at that
Speaker 2: beat Paul of engine, you know, and and they had
Speaker 2: all this just interesting styling. Now they're all the same
Speaker 2: plastic insect shapes. You know. It's like this insect versus
Speaker 2: that insect. And the only thing that they will bring
Speaker 2: to the table is well, this one is two tenths
Speaker 2: of a second faster through the quarter mile. That's that's
Speaker 2: basically it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm waiting to get my praying mantis, you know,
Speaker 1: that's the one that's got the attachment. This. You get
Speaker 1: a clover in front of you, that's your your thing
Speaker 1: about somebody that's like a left winding bandit. You get
Speaker 1: a clover in front of you, you can use that praying
Speaker 1: mantis thing to grab them and flip them behind you.
Speaker 2: Something that would be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would do, I would do always great. Talking
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