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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingona Show. Thomas,
how are you doing?
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Speaker 1: Well after finishing the California series, and then covering the
nineteen eighty eight movie Dennis Hopper movie Colors for those
of you who haven't heard, and Living under a Rock.
Thomas and I watch movies and comments on them and
do our sort of own mystery science Theater three thousand
and it is available on my website from Emmy on
the Wall dot com forward slash movies links to all
the movies we've done there, and right before that, we
actually did Tryump for the Will, that nineteen thirty five
money Rife install. So there's some good stuff there. Go
check it out. All right, new topic, and this is
one that I probably brought up a year ago and
we just decided to do other stuff. So the life
and the thought of Oswald Moseley.
Speaker 2: Where do you want to start? Mosley's background going back
literally fourth centuries, there's a lot of liminal events in
British history. I mean that that that's not just some
sort of like literary trope or something like don't understand
like where Moseley ended up and like why he took
the path he did, Like you've got to understand the
trajectory of his family, Like he wasn't he wasn't an
ordinary like lesser noble or whatever. You know, it makes
perfect sense why he established but became the only viable
like fascist tendency in Britain because there were a number
of them and none of them gained any traction. Because
the people at the Helm were were bizarre people who
weren't plugged into the zeitgeist, or they were just you know,
or they were just half assed Tories who had some
admire or Mussolini, so they you know, they didn't like communism,
so like, oh I'm a fascist or you know, they
were they were these simple minded people who were kind
of taken in by Darwinist uh intellectual cultism, you know,
like Arnold Lease. And we'll get into the you know,
Mosley actually understood fascism and he actually understood like the
historical implications of it. And like I said, his he
had a storied family, but like not in the way
that people think, you know, like the kind of traditional
and punitive description of his heritages. Oh well, he was
just lesser aristocrat and as those people lost their privilege,
they became fascist. Like that doesn't make any sense and
that doesn't really track. You know, Mosley was basically middle class.
His family had a lot of money. They were an
incredible wealthy for hundreds of years, but they weren't this
powerful uh like Noble House or something, you know, and
the unreconstructed House of Commons like really until the middle
of the nineteenth century, you know, most of the UK
had like no representation in Parliament, and uh the House
of Moseley, as it were, was one of those was
part of that unrepresented demographic, you know, So they weren't
this idea that the Mosleys were, you know, these kinds
of like this kind of aristocratic faction in Parliament trying
to like deny people their uh you know, being manumented
and given the franchise. Like that's not what happened. Like
they didn't really have the franchise, you know, like it
wasn't And understand like where Moseley came from. Like you've
got to understand that peculiar kind of localism that emerged
in England, like specifically England and uh like the most leaves,
their fate was was bound up with uh clergy of
the Church of England and uh like the British military
officer Corps. Like I was kind of like the such
that they had like influence in their locale, like those
are really the people they indexed with, which makes perfect sense.
But they had this basic mistrust like both of parliament
and of like traditional nobles, and that's like where fascism
comes from, you know what I mean, Like it this
should be clear as day to anybody, like Mostly wasn't
a guy who followed fans, and he wasn't uh, he
wasn't somebody who did stuff for cloud you know, I
mean obviously like Northy, you guy, I just enjoyed being
an iconic class like you believed in everything he was saying.
And I think it's not just because like of an
anglophone person, I find Mosey to be the most relatable
of like fascist uh leaders. You know, Hitler was a
messianic personage and almost like a great con like he
It's hard to find people like that relatable, you know,
the people like Kuadrian who were like orthodox mousa head
like it doesn't it's you know, I find that to
be like literally Byzantine, you know. But you know, Mosley
is a somebody I think who doesn't really get enough
inc in America, Like the British rite about him all
the time. It's usually punitive and stupid and simple minded.
But he's kind of ignored in the United States or
such that he's granted any attention at all. People act
like it was some like weird crank or like some
or some or some like insignificant personage like George Lincoln Rockwell,
like they don't understand, they don't understand, like where he
was speaking from. The guy had tens of thousands of followers,
and for uh, for somebody after U after the the
kind of modern House of Commons after eighteen thirty two,
like after the reformats, for a for a true like
uh kind of revolutionary party like upstart party to get
like forty or fifty thousand members and for clarity, these
are like dudes paying members. Like the UK has actual parties.
It doesn't just have brandings. It's not like the Republican Party,
which is at the actual party, you know. And before
mostly these these schismatic uh you know, kind of self
declared fascists and national socialists. They'd clock uh at peak,
like four or five hundred dues paying members like most
of you. Was a serious guy and there's a reason why,
you know, he was targeted the way he was and
there's a reason why. Uh, you know, he he got
an audience with uh, with Gurbles and and some of
these other third personages. He wasn't a joker, but you know,
and also too, like I it's not most of these counterfactuals.
There wasn't jumping around it. But I'll get into the
a more kind of coherent narrative in a moment. But
a lot of these kind of factual speculat relations about
what would have happened, and you know, if Edward the
eighth hadn't advocated, and if the War Party hadn't prevailed
in the UK, or alternatively, if Sea Lion had actually
been a serious, we devised mission to conquer the United Kingdom,
you know, by by force of arms by the German Reich.
Like like Mosley absolutely like would have been the man
that the Reich looked to the you know, to act
as as kind of like a proxy regime, you know,
in no small measure because Mosley he wasn't really a
fringe figure, you know, like he was he was like
a very respectable guy. You know, like he became something
of a fringe figure, particularly after the War Party was
able to you know, kind of shut down any all opposition,
you know, in the House of Commons as well as
in in the national media and everywhere else. But you
know what, but mostly was dangerous to the War Party
precisely because he he wasn't like this fringe character, you know,
and he wasn't and he was he wasn't just like
the scion of of like a respectable family who went
on some crazy lark, you know, like Rockwell or something like.
He was a serious fascist. It wasn't. It wasn't a
you know, some kind of some kind of theatrical protus posture.
But like the background of fascism in Britain is strange.
The first true like self identified like British Fascist Party
was literally like the British FASCISTI who then became the
British Fascists and then in twenty three like they they
they incorporated after the Muslims march on her own. It
was a lady who formed the organization. It was Rotha
interned Ormon. Very strange lady, very much, I mean to
be crashed very much, kind of like a butcher lesbian.
I mean, it's just like a fact she'd volunteered in
World War One as an ambulance driver and she was
under a pretty heavy fire. You know. She was like
a serious person, but she was like this weird eccentric
and she was uh. She was born to uh, an
officer who had stood with the Essex Regiment, who was
kind of like the Essex Regiment was kind of the
pride of like the British Army infantry for a long time,
you know, and her uh, her mom was Blamed Simmons,
who was another aristocrat. Her maternal grandfather had been a
field marshal. You know, these people were extraordinarily wealthy, okay,
and she was kind of like the strange like lesbian daughter.
She was like she actually was one of the founders
for all practical purposes or like the scouting movement, like
the boy and Girl Scouts in Britain they call it
something different. I think they call it like the girl Guides.
But you know, so she was, uh, she was kind
of like one of these. She was kind of just
like rich kid aristocrat, you know, and like aristocrats do,
like you know, she she was all about national service
when the Great War came, but then she developed a
hero worship of Mussolini, which for context, you know, really
up through the Four Powers packed you know really in
until the late nineteen thirties, like Mussolini was viewed as
like this kind of heroic personage in the UK, and
it's considered less kind of like moderating influence contra Germany,
you know who uh really after after Disraeli's tenure, you know,
like we got into in our World War two series.
You know, the Germans were cast as as in in
the most like in the blacks colors imaginable, but uh,
Mussolini wasn't colored the same way in British media quite
the contrary, and the people like wrote the Ormond, they
they basically admired Mussolini for his anti communism, like she
was not a sophisticated person in any sense, you know,
which seems in congruous maybe, But there's something to the
cliche of you know, it's almost like any python, like
like these British aristocrats who actually aren't cultured and aren't educated.
That's not just like a trophe or it's not just
something that you know, the middle classes like to kind
of hold out is as as some it's there's some
kind of you know, slam on on people who they
resent for for posturing as their betters. You know, the
she was not She was not an educated nor intelligent
person in real sense, and so like her her like
fascist outfit, it was basically just like this kind of
like Tory. It was basically like this Mussolini fan club
of like aristocratic Tories, you know. And uh, she literally
established this British fascist outfit. She placed an ad in
uh what was then kind of like the dominant like
right wing alternative paper in the UK you just called
The Patriot, you know. She said she was like looking
for anti communist partisans who wanted to you know, basically
basically constituted a pressure group, you know, to force some
more serious uh posture against the Soviet Union, which uh
in early on that was like a big rallying point
of the Tories is that like, well, you know, labor
is gonna they're they're they're too soft on Sovietism and
this is like a fifth column and in the empire
and you know, all this all this kind of stuff.
So that was later on, and we're talking like much later,
you know, like a decade subsequent the most of the
male membership of the British Fascists defected the b u F.
But by that point the organization. Miss Ormond's organization was
kind of like existed in name only, but just for
context they I think it's relevant the uh and famously
UH mostly said UH mostly referred early on to the
British Fascist just quote three old ladies and a couple
of office boys and uh, which wasn't the really inaccurate
the success of organization not It wasn't a successive organization.
I don't mean like linear, I mean in linear terms.
I don't mean that it was. It came from the
same ideological persuasion or head membership in common. The The
kind of subsequent iteration of a national socialist or fascist
tendency in the UK was the Imperial Fascist League. It
was found y Arnold Leise in nineteen twenty nine. People
are familiar with like our lineage, our lineage being people
of the right. They probably know Les because like it's
an elderly guy like in the fifties, and he made
a habit of slandering Francis Perker Yaki in right wing
press despite having never met him. By that point, Lease
was a total nobody. And Yaqui. Famously, he used to
go on claiming that, like Yaqui was Jewish, then he
claimed that Yaqui was part black. Then he claimed that
he was an Indian, like an American Indian, and Yaki
Yaki fantasy said like, I don't know who this camel
doctor is. What's his name? Laos and Leeds literally was
a camel doctor, like he was a veterinarian and his
specialty was diseases afflicting cammels, like I'm not kidding. And
his claim to fame was that he'd met Julius Striker
during some lark to Germany, and Striker was a crude
guy with Striker also was like a cutting satirist and
like a skilled artist, and just like a tough bastard,
even though he was something of a vulgarian and a
dummy otherwise, like Lea said, none of those skills and
he had none of that insight, like he was just
a fucking idiot, you know. So Lesa's whole thing was well,
because I know how campmebls breed, and I know how
you know, traits are inhritable, you know, in camel populations,
but to extrapolate like zoological principles like human populations, so
the Jews are just like evil race, you know, And
they have you know, bad racial characteristics, and you know
we need to breed the right kind of race, you know,
just like abject, abject, objectly moronic bullshit, you know, reducing
politics to the principles of animal husbandry. Well, the Imperial
fans this league. They're like lasting legacy. They had an
incredibly dope, like heraldic standard. It was like the Union
jack with like a hack and crewis like in the
center in black. It like looks incredibly cool. But other
than that, it was, uh, it was like an embarrassment
the b UF famously. Uh. They shut them down through
a lot of ledgered Man and through direct action. And
one of the things Mosley did, Uh, Mosley hit a
very gang to a streak. You have black shirts. They
dress up as communists, and then when the Imperial Fascist
League and hold meetings, they'd assault and like beat the
fuck out of everybody and then like LEAs to grow
on saying like this was mostly and like mostly be
like what are you an insane person? You got you
got moved on by the Reds. You gotta you gotta,
you know, provide better security for yourself. What's the matter
with you? What kind of outfit are you? Which is
kind of brilliant and it's uh in in in and
it's gaslighting. But that was that was Uh. The Imperial
Fascist League had like an outsized profile in those small
part because people like the Board of Jewish Deputies and
and and some of these left wing UH newspaper types.
You know, they'd say they they'd hold them out as
an exam but I mean very much like today, you know,
they hold them. I was like, Oh, we're being subverted
from abroad. You know, this is this is this is
the Germans, this is the Hunts trying to you know,
undermine and meddle in our in our affairs. You know,
the UH during a moment of uh, I guess amicability
in nineteen thirty two when the BUF and we haven't
gotten there yet but we will in a minute, when
the BUF was very much ascendant, they'd made something of
a peace offering to the Imperial Fascist League by like
allowing their members essentially patch over, you know, the Imperial
Fascist League like turn this down, and so mostly returned
to like having his people's like like smash them, you know,
like it was leaves then and and and later in
his later in his life. And I'm not going to
dignify it by calling it a courier. But he as
this typically today with like right wing schismatics, he had
like delusions of his own significance. You know, It's like
this guy had a couple hundred members like the b
U f Atars with tens of thousand strong, you know,
like Moseley in a moment of you know again like
in in a moment of a charitable impulse like offered
him you know, uh a chance that it kind of
cloud and respectability, and of course, like what would he do,
like leaves turns it down owing to some delusion that
you know, he was actually a relevant personage. But but lease,
like I said, the reason why like he uh when
when Yaqui went to Europe, you know, and Yaki famously
approached Moseley himself and they didn't get along at all,
and and mostly very much was a cold warrior by
that point. And I think there was some degree of
jealousy and of Yaki and his intellect, but also resentment
at the fact that you know, we THINKU the hell
is an American trying to dictate, you know, the European scene,
how how we should do things and conceptualize you know,
theory and policy and praxis. But you know, Lise, uh,
Lise was still kind of like floating around the fringes
of of the you know, of of the right wing resistance.
You know, because even even then, you know, like, uh,
some of these marginal figures could kind of carve out
some sort of niche and that's exactly what he did.
But getting to Mosely, the kind of the fortunes of
the Moseley family, it began with Nicholas Mosey. Really he
was born in or near Manchester. It's not clear, but
Manchester became the like the ancestral home of the Mosleys,
like when they when they acquired their their aristocratic cedigree.
I'll gett into how that developed in a moment. But
Nicholas Moseley was born on fifteen twenty seven, and uh,
for a brief period he was a Lord Mayor of London,
which is different than the Mayor of London. Like the
Lord Mayor it still exists, although now it's large like
a ceremonial office. The Lord Mayor of the City of
London is like the administrator like of you know, what's
now the financial district of you know, the City of
London in those days it had a directly military obligation
and Nicholas Moseley during that time Britain's main adversary was Spain,
and this was kind of the beginning of the Mosely
families involvement with affairs revolving around the security of the
British Isles. And this endured for centuries and in eighteen
one of the reasons why the left hated Oswald Mosey
so much during eighteenth during the Chartist riots in eighteen
forty eight, his great grandfather and his great grandfather's brother,
they'd organized the these strike breaking attacks like on the
Chartists and on like the eighteen forty eight revolutionaries, you know,
like the Mosey family, they like literally like way went
back centuries of them like crushing like left wing radicals.
You know. It's became like their role, you know, and
that started really with Nicholas Mosey's role as Lord Mayor,
you know. And again in those days, this wasn't just
a ceremonial office Lord Mayor of London, you know, he baans.
He was responsible for planning and organizing you know, what
amount of like a civil defense, a civil defense schema
in anticipation of you know, possible like invasion from the continet. Okay,
the Moseleys became very very rich. Manchester was a center
of uh the world trade and manufacture. Nicholas Moseley became
a very wealthy merchant, and UH he became a member
of the Worshipful Company of Cloth Workers, which was basically
like a guild and like a corporatist UH firm that
UH set prices and established standards for the industry. You know.
So he was very much like uh like he was
very much like a self made capitalist. Okay. And what
he did with some of that money is for thirty
five hundred pounds in fifteen ninety six he purchased a
lordship and scenery of Manchester. And this was easy to
come by if he greased the right poems because Manchester
it was basically an unimportant market town. I mean it
was important, became important economically because I'm monopoly on the
wool trade. But in terms of the way aristocrats and
this was still this was before the Reform Acts that
you know, kind of transformed the House that Commons into
like a normal parliament like in those days. This was
the this was these are the days where he still
had like you had like literally empty burrow was it
were like, you know, some aristocrat like you know, dating
back to like the eleven hundreds or something like, he
was able to monopolize, you know, an entire voting block
and the House of Commons you know, like based on
some ancient charter of some like then worthless land. So
I mean there was no relationship between you know, the
the productivity of of a territory and its representation in Parliament.
So if a guy like Nicholas Modley, who's like just
like some rich guy, is like, yeah, I want to
buy like a lordship in Manchester, like a house of lord,
would be like go ahead, you know, like whatever turns
you want, you know. Butlins Noodly was smart a lot
of the things, Like with this great wealth he had accumulated,
not only did he like basically buy himself into a lordship,
he hired Inigo Jones, who was at the time, I'm
like the top architect in England, and uh he hired
him to build and design and build. His is a
manor house, which is hawf End Hall. Okay, now I
think it's an art museum. It still exists, Okay, but
that was like that was like Mosley Manner essentially in
Ago Jones. He was the first. Uh he was He
wasn't just like this this top architect in England, but
he was the first. He was the first architect of
the modern era to like employ uh the conventions of
Classical Roman and Italian Renaissance architecture like in Britain. You know,
since it was a big deal and it was no
small matter to like have him design your manor house,
you know, like this this conferred a lot of clout
for context. The uh. The Queen's house, well, you to
be one of the royal residences. It's in Greenwich, London.
It's been repurposed a bunch of times, and it's obviously
historic building and like it's it's no longer like a
royal residence, but at the time it was, and he
designed that, Okay, so I mean this was this is
a big deal. The uh. He also he'd been involved
in like designing stuff for the stage, and he was
buddied with Ben Jonson and Johnson was uh. He's considered
basically the most significant playwright other than Shakespeare. Probably his
most notable works are every Man in his Humor, the
alchemist Bartholomew Bartholomew Fair. So you know this this is
a kind of company that knew as Moses was keeping,
you know, and not I mean very deliberately too. Like
when Nicholas Mosely got married, he got married in the
city of London. You know, he was obviously trying to
like establish some kind of you know, familial presence there.
It didn't take because the Moss ended up basically after
his sinecure, like the Moses were once again like relegated
in Manchester. But you know, the aside, like their great wealth,
the family managed to kind of skate on the cloud,
captured by the you know, the great patriarch Nicholas for
a very long time. The uh and yeah he uh.
Owing to his uh service as Lord Mayor, he was
knighted by Queen Elizabeth the First and subsequent to his
knighthood he was the High Sheriff of Lancashire. So he
was an accomplished guy. And there's a significant too, because
again this dude was an upstart capitalist, you know, like
he wasn't really a noble and like that didn't really
happen in those days. You know, he was one of
the first to essentially like make that jump so again
when you read uh, when he when you read some
of these like left wing histories that deal with Moseley
produced in the UK, I mean like they talk about
him like he's bas least some like lesser version of
King Charles or something. Who oh, he became a fascist
because he lost his noble type. That like that's nonsense,
Like it's not what he was at all. And frankly,
a man like that, like such as the caricature is
painted like, wouldn't have been attracted to fascism in the
first place. I don't think like it wouldn't it wouldn't
track with anything but the uh, like I mentioned uh
a minute ago, the the the Chartist and the Peterloo massac,
the Chartist Rise, the Peterloo massacre, these were and aren't
gonna held out as like the great sins like the
Moseley family the peterlu massacre. On August sixteenth, eighteen nineteen,
there was this mass demonstration uh, demanding parliamentary representation. Okay,
it was basically a precursor to like the Chartist movement
that kind of peaked in eighteen thirties, and it's and
it's kind of final. It's kind of final. Zenith was
eighteen forty eight. But there's this crowd of uh like
tens of thousands of people. Obviously, the UH the crown
was terrified to some kind of some kind of Jacob
and style revolt. Cavalry assembled as well as uh you know,
chartered UH men under arms. This armed element assaulted the crowd,
including like a recharged like dead into the center of it.
A couple of dozen people died, several hundred were injured.
The uh Moseley family played a direct role in organizing,
UH the forces that suppressed this UH mass protest and
even into the UH like even into the late nineteen
fifties when uh Moseley was staging his comeback. You know,
this was uh Moses mostly is the descendant of, you know,
the the brutes of the Peter Low massacre. It's it's
really strange, but that's UH, I mean that that's that's
kind of the way the UK is. The UH. The
Mosleys started to lose, Interestingly, they started to lose their
h influence in Manchester after the after the reform of
Parliament really from like eighteen thirty two to like the
eighteen fifties. You know, the Moseley family was in a
strange positions. On the one hand, they made their fortune
through industry, but they purchased noble title. So in Manchester,
local merchants and industrialists they had to pay what was
called the tolladge to the Moseley estate and amount of
kind of tax not just on goods entering the municipality,
but if you want to make use of a stall
or a market space like you you you would you
would literally like pay rent to the House of Mosley,
you know. Leading the charge against this system were u
with a contingent of Jewish merchants in Manchester. Mosley's grandfather
very much. This kind of like very very hostile situation
developed between like the House of Moseley and the Manchester
Jewish community, which is really interesting, you know, and that
that that endured, you know it uh And because the
Moslees weren't and when they appealed to when they when
they appealed to the House of Lords, you know again
until uh, until the mid nineteenth century, Manchester didn't even
have representation in the House of Commons. And then after
it did, you know, basically like the true aristocracy there
their view was like we don't care about you, Like,
what what is the Manchester? Who are the Mosles? You know,
so they couldn't count any support from London. Their fellow
industrialists resented them because to them locally they were like
this aristocratic clan that taxed people. So the Molees basically
their allies became the Church of England and like the
local military contingent. Yeah, which again completely tracks with how
you know Oswald mostly viewed the world. You know, this
is like a constantly like middle class problem. You know,
it doesn't matter that there's like a kind of the
near of like nobility like hung on it, you know.
And uh, I'm not somebody who resourced a class analyses
to describe fascism, but uh, there is an aspect of that,
you know, particularly in a place like England, you know,
that can't be denied. So it's kind of like this
perfect storm of shit, you know, kind of like conspiring
to design like how the life of Oswald Mosley would develop,
you know, particularly when you consider that you know, he
was born, he was of the Lost Generation who fought
World War One. You know, he he didn't live in
real poverty in the inner war years. But he wasn't
exactly well off. He was like suffering like everybody else was.
You know. His family quite literally like had like this
running vendetta and vice versa with like the local Jewish community.
I mean it's it's like multiple like faded, like take
the path that he did, you know. And there's something
I uh and the big fan of see Us Lewis,
Like I'm not into like total kind and stuff like that,
Like I like Somerset mom, and I like see Us Lewis.
And not to go too off track, but something both
of them right about, you know, reading between the lines.
It's about how like if you're English, like specifically English,
you know like these these kinds of like liminal and uh,
historical phenomena like dictate your life and like you can't
like escape from it. And I think that's really true,
you know, like it's not really like that in America.
I mean yeah, like you can't like familial tragedies of
a way of like reaching out across generations and the
past is a way of insinuating himself into the present,
like especially if you're from like a prestigious family. But
it's not quite the same, you know, like in like
in England. So like the whole issue with Mosley and uh,
going back literally centuries, his family's reputation as kind of
like enforcers of the ancient regime like people in the
twentieth century. To them, that might have well have been yesterday,
and they're like, you know, look at this son of
a bitch. He's you know, he's he's he's responsible for
the Peterle massacre in those two century ago. It doesn't
matter only it might be a little bit yesterday. And
other societies, even you know, even even other like ancient
European culture is like they're not like that. You know,
there's something there's something peculiar about England and that that
that really can't be denied, you know, I don't think
but that uh yeah mostly was uh you know. And
so this was they like the family kind of became
this uh, they came very committed to kind of like
traditional like English sensibilities, you know, like uh, they were
cut off like despite this, despite being this family that
made their fortune an industry, like, uh, they were in
this weird like market town. They weren't in like industrial
London or something, you know. They uh And again, like
the the the true aristocrats at Westminster, like wanted nothing
to do with them. You know, in three hundred years
only two Mosleys were elected to Parliament. You know they
they didn't contribute anybody from their ranks to academia, Like
they weren't any Moseles who were like artists or architects.
Like basically they they were a family of uh, of soldiers,
of parsons of uh you know, businessman who had good
hustle and we're been at making money. You know, this
very much like the middle class like backbone of England.
You know it's uh Moseley himself. That's not good, okay.
Mosey was born in November sixteenth, eighteen ninety six. His
mom was twenty one year old Catherine Heathcote, known as Mud.
It was a very difficult birth. It was eighteen hours
and it almost killed as it almost killed Maud his mother.
His dad was Oswald Ernald Moseley. He was basically a
functioning alcoholic. He was a kid. He was a gambler,
a womanizer. He was known for having a filthy mouth
and being something of a hooligan, like even even in
the middle age, like he'd get in trouble for brawling
and just for you know, kind of crazy annex you
know that you'd associate with some kind of unhinged frat boy.
When Oswald Mosley was born, his father telegrammed basically everybody
he knew, you know, and you know, he seemed to
be incredibly proud of the fact his wife had born
him his son. And in Maud's diary she expressed with relief,
you know that it was a boy, because obviously the
kind of the purpose of the of the pregnancy it
was to produce in error. But other than the fact
that Wald Moley was happy that he had a son,
he seemed basically uninterested in his family, you know. And
like Oswald Moseley later he talked about his family, I
mean not so much an idealized terms, but he'd insists
that he had this like happy home life, which it
seemed to be anything but the case. You know, like
he like his mom doted on him by all accounts,
but you know, he had this his parents from this
like loveless marriage. His dad again, it was like this cattish,
kind of mean guy who like didn't really have any
interest in his kids, you know it. His father has
been a boxer too, like he Uh, he was an
accomplished featherweight boxer, you know, reputation is kind of a bully,
you know, like not not a happy upbring. Mosley was
known as Tom or Tommy by his whole family, presumably
to distinguish himself from his father. Eventually, the uh the
parents separated without uh formula again to formally seeking divorce.
And it was understood pretty much by everybody that it
was it was well Moseley's compulse of promiscuity that led
to it. I guess Wald mose like any reasonably attractive woman,
like under a certain age, like he tried to nail her,
you know, I mean that uh, you know, like I
said it, it seems it seems like a very unhappy home.
And Oswald Moseley himself, he was something of a compulsive
woman ezer too, uh, I mean mental of an inherent
inherit the sins of the father. Moseley's kids liked him.
Oswald Moseley's kids and and and he seemed to be
like an engaged father. But it unlike his dad. But
he he he had similar problems with you know, improperly
you know, pursuing these kinds of extramarital affairs, you know.
And this uh like Mosley's mom, whatever her shortcomings, she
did like live by kind of like the values of
the family. Like she was she was very much like
a churchgoer, very much a believer, you know, uh, very
much kind of discussed by the infidelities of her of
her husband that that had to be a weird environment
to grow up in. I mean, frankly, I mean, I
mean that that kind of that kind of infidelity is
gonna is gonna be hard on kids anyway. But frankly,
like most most guys who grew up with with a
father like that, like the mother just kind of tolerates it,
you know, and she doesn't really care that much because
you know, she's somebody like Lady Bird Johnson was, and
it's like, well that you know, I've got mine, so
what do I care? Like, you know, I got a
good life, and I got I got a husband with
a prestigious role. Like it's got to be very strange
to have a father who's a true cat and a
mom who's like, you know, like a church going basically
like modest, you know, proper lady like I I'm sure
that lad some screwy psychological vagaries. But where are we at? Yeah?
I really don't like going fifty minutes, but I'm not
feeling great. And before I get into most of these
wars service and stuff like, I kind of want to
save that for the second episode. Again, I'm sorry to
be abrupt. I'm just I'm not feeling well today. No problem,
not a problem at all.
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