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<v Speaker 1>And at one point I go, oh, this is so dumb,

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy next to me turns to me goes,

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<v Speaker 1>are you Lucretia whiskey?

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<v Speaker 2>Come and take my pain, the money, my bray. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>why think alone when you can drink it all In

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<v Speaker 2>with Ricochet's Three Whiskey Happy Hour, Join your bartenders, Steve Heyward,

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<v Speaker 2>John You, and the international woman of Mystery, Lucretia. Where

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<v Speaker 2>this lapstop it? David? Ain't you easy on the should task?

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta give me that whiskey?

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome everybody to a new episode of the Three Whiskey

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Hour. We hope you're listening on the Three Whiskey

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<v Speaker 3>all sclory how you can use it to reveal our

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<v Speaker 3>secrets to the Russians and Chinese. I am joined today

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<v Speaker 3>by my co host Steve Hayward, who has been on

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<v Speaker 3>a worldwide tour of the land of cheese, grits and gravy.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you been doing, Steve, where have you been What

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<v Speaker 3>have you been eating?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? First of all, can I just add to your

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<v Speaker 2>intro that there's no podcast that gets the signal to

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<v Speaker 2>noise ratio greater than the three Whiskey Happy Hour. No

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<v Speaker 2>I just spent it. I want to give a shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to these guys. I just spent two wonderful days

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<v Speaker 2>in Oxford, Mississippi, and it really does live up to

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<v Speaker 2>the name, you know, the home of Oldness. And there

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<v Speaker 2>is there one of these civic education centers that's been

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<v Speaker 2>quietly growing for quite a while now. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of funny. It's the Declaration of Independence Center. And

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, kind of ironic to have a

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<v Speaker 2>Declaration of Independent Center in the Deep South, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>I made a point of wearing my Abraham Lincoln socks

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<v Speaker 2>just to live dangerously. But no, it's really great people

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<v Speaker 2>they have there, and they've got this wonderful program, and

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<v Speaker 2>they had me down to give a lecture and do

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<v Speaker 2>a student seminar. And two things about it. One is

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<v Speaker 2>I did meet two faculty members who said the regular

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<v Speaker 2>listeners of this podcast, including one from the economics department,

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<v Speaker 2>who says he agrees most with you, John.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, the economists agree.

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<v Speaker 2>With me, unlike most of our listeners who you know,

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<v Speaker 2>side with lucre.

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<v Speaker 1>Have real educations.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know how many lurking economists there are listening in.

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<v Speaker 2>But now the other thing, John is I mean, as

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<v Speaker 2>many listeners will know. If you come from California or

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<v Speaker 2>New York or anywhere from the South and you say, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we do I barbecue a lot, they will, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>deport you because barbecue that is a serious subject in

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<v Speaker 2>the South, as we know, and it's part barbecue. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was with some hesitation I asked, so what do

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<v Speaker 2>people think about the McK rib And I was told, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>people love it? Is it really? And the person that

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<v Speaker 2>told me this says, personally, I think it's disgusting, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know most people love it, and it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>popular item down here in Mississippi. So it is past

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of you know barbecue, you know, smoked pork

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<v Speaker 2>bar at least in that part of Mississippi, which I

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<v Speaker 3>Mississippians are just admitting the truth when most other people lie. Lucretia,

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<v Speaker 3>what have you been up to? Where are you? Do

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<v Speaker 3>you have a nice scotch?

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<v Speaker 2>Open?

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<v Speaker 4>What have you been up to?

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<v Speaker 1>I have a nice scotch? Here you go and I

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<v Speaker 1>have had I didn't even want to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>My work is so awful. I'm just going to leave

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<v Speaker 1>it at that. But I did attend a nice, a

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<v Speaker 1>nice conference where we talked about revolution, and everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>afraid actually to talk about revolution because it was a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of conservatives and the whole idea. At least half

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<v Speaker 1>of them said at one point or another that even

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the notion of revolution made them very uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Philadelphia Siety last week, John, Yeah, you can.

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<v Speaker 2>You can tell people the name of it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we have listeners who were there, so.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and I forgot the name of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry about the people in the United States afraid of

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<v Speaker 3>talk about revolution are illegal aliens from Syria right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? You know. Leo Strauss liked to point out that

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<v Speaker 2>and he thought that was great, you know, a perfect paradox.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Lucretia, we interrupted your story about the Philadelphia Society.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I just I was. I was. Steve has to

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<v Speaker 1>most revolution to two revolutionary panels, panels that actually sort

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<v Speaker 1>of addressed the idea of revolution and didn't clutch their

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<v Speaker 1>pearls over it, as my new saying lately. The one

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<v Speaker 1>that Steve moderate, which was with with our good friend

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<v Speaker 1>now my very good friend because I love her to death,

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<v Speaker 1>Edith Jones, and Johnny's.

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<v Speaker 3>A judge of the US Court Appeals in the Fifth

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<v Speaker 3>Circuit text right right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was another guy who did Steve seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to know. I didn't know, but he was, he was okay,

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<v Speaker 1>he was fine. Oh he was a former assistant DA

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<v Speaker 2>He'd been a Zach it was Zach Smith from the

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<v Speaker 2>Me Center to Heritage Foundation, and he'd been a federal prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh no, I don't know him, but I mean the

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<v Speaker 2>ME Center I know, and our you know, our friend

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<v Speaker 2>John Malcolm is the grand Pooba there. So anyway, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was fine. But of course the real fireworks was John,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, and Judge Jones, and.

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<v Speaker 1>A judge Jones was more radical than John was. John

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<v Speaker 1>was a little it's all about me again, But.

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<v Speaker 3>You mean you mean John Eastman?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, well, I was. The

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<v Speaker 2>Bar Association came up about, you know, the problems with them,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did get a little carried away saying, I

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<v Speaker 2>want Joe McCarthy scorchedter taxic on the American Bar Association,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I want Jade Vance to give a

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<v Speaker 2>Spiro agnewtype speeches attacking law schools. That got some applause. Actually, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Williams was great. He was really, really great. He

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<v Speaker 1>talked about basically what he said was we need a

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<v Speaker 1>revolution against the uh, the destruction of our constitution in

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<v Speaker 1>the deep state and so on. It was good. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very good.

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<v Speaker 3>So I want to get to that law firm story

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<v Speaker 3>in a second. But I thought maybe what we talked

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<v Speaker 3>about first would be, I think the story of the

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<v Speaker 3>week the use by the basically the leaders of the

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<v Speaker 3>National Security Cabinet to use signal a non secure app

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<v Speaker 3>to discuss the attack on the whutis a Yemen?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what do you mean by non secure in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense that it has not.

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<v Speaker 3>Done it's not government it's not government secured for classified information, sorry, not.

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<v Speaker 1>For classified, but it is government approved for use for

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<v Speaker 1>communications that are not classified. So that's the important part.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, So you know, as I'm sure the listeners know,

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<v Speaker 3>by mistake, the it appears that Mike Watson, National Secure Advisor,

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<v Speaker 3>not only included Marco Rubio and the Secretary of Defense

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<v Speaker 3>and the head of the CIA and Tulsa Gabbed, but

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<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor of The Atlantic, And so that's

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<v Speaker 3>how it all came to light. And then after some

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<v Speaker 3>debate about what was actually in the text, Goldberg released

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<v Speaker 3>them and they had you know, I would think information

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<v Speaker 3>that ought normally be classified, like what time different weapon

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<v Speaker 3>systems were going to be used, what time the attacks

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<v Speaker 3>are supposed to land, what kind of targets were being sought.

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<v Speaker 3>So it seems to me like a debacle. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>on the other hand, Trump has responded by not firing anybody,

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<v Speaker 3>by saying this is a story by failing media outlet,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was a distraction. So, Lucritia, why did you

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<v Speaker 3>give us your thoughts? You are in the industry as

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, here's a really really simple point. No, there was

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<v Speaker 1>not classified information in anything that went back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, and if there was, Jeffrey Goldberg should be

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<v Speaker 1>tried for treason, tried for violating the laws regarding classified information,

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<v Speaker 1>because you are not excused from the prohibition on releasing

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<v Speaker 1>or publicizing classified information just because you came about it

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<v Speaker 1>unwillingly or involuntarily. He can actually if, if, if anything

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<v Speaker 1>that was in those texts, and he tries to claim

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<v Speaker 1>that there's still some stuff he hasn't released that might

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<v Speaker 1>be deemed classified. If if he releases anything that actually

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<v Speaker 1>would fall under classification authority, which again is only Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>he could be tried and convicted for a very serious time,

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<v Speaker 1>spend decades in jail in federal prison. That's thing one.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing two. Does anybody really believe that this was a mistake? Seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>does anybody really believe that there isn't some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a think back to the whole first impeachment effort and

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<v Speaker 1>that scumbag Vinman, the little fat, little chubby Ukrainian piece

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<v Speaker 1>of you know what, remember he listened in and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he the whole point of which was to

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<v Speaker 1>undo Trump. You don't you think that all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden all of those people are gone from the State Department,

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA, the Da Da da da da. Of course

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<v Speaker 1>they're not. So someday They're going to figure out that

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<v Speaker 1>somebody on Walls's staff was responsible for this nonsense, and

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<v Speaker 1>Wallas is probably trying to protect whatever till he knows

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<v Speaker 1>who it is. And the idea that we would fire

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<v Speaker 1>anybody over something that had no adverse consequences whatsoever, none,

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<v Speaker 1>as Trump pointed out, an absolutely successful operation. And we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't fire anybody after Afghanistan or the thirteen soldiers and

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<v Speaker 1>marines and that were killed after Afghanistan, or or or

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<v Speaker 1>or who got fired ever in the Biden administration? Did

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Holder get fired after Fast and Furious? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, I'm okay, I get it, Steve. If there

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<v Speaker 1>weren't double standard students, there wouldn't be any standards at all.

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<v Speaker 1>But at some point logic has to enter into some

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<v Speaker 1>of these discussions. I'm so sick of that whole thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is all the Democrats have, and our stupid ass

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans are so dumb they won't look at it and

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<v Speaker 1>say shut up.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. It was a terrible blunder on Trump's part, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he can recover from it. And then you have

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<v Speaker 1>seven stupid Rhino senators. Establishment senators too cowardly to come

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<v Speaker 1>out and say what they really think with their name attached.

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<v Speaker 1>So they go to what the Jewish whatever the heck

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<v Speaker 1>it was, and say how awful it was. The things

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<v Speaker 1>that Vance is accused of saying on the Earth actually

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<v Speaker 1>recorded saying on the signal chat because they the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing they want is to make sure that we continue

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<v Speaker 1>to be in every war there is ever on the

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<v Speaker 1>planet so that they can keep lining their pockets with

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<v Speaker 1>defense contractor money. Sorry, okay, I'm done anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>Eve, Yeah, So four quick thoughts. My My first reaction

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<v Speaker 2>when I heard this was when did Christopher Buckley take

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<v Speaker 2>over the script for the second Trump administration? Right? This

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<v Speaker 2>is right of one of his comic novels, like The

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<v Speaker 2>DC Mess. I think you may maybe already be working

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<v Speaker 2>on a new one called Thank You for Texting Stopping.

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<v Speaker 2>But I actually do think there's something to lucretious theory

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<v Speaker 2>that there's something fishy about this. How did Jeffrey Goldberg's

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<v Speaker 2>number or signal thing get on the list for this call? Now,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's just a weird blunder. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>once Marts, what's what's the NASH security advisor's name? Marts

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<v Speaker 2>or Waltz Walls. I keep getting more confused other people welts.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe he knows. I don't think so. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a congressman from Florida. Goldberg doesn't slum it with

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<v Speaker 1>I just think we exchanged a brief conversation atos function.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows. But the the other thing is, I do

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<v Speaker 2>think this, Lucretia, is the prosecution of Goldberg. Unfortunately, the

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<v Speaker 2>merits may be solid, but I think that ship sailed

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<v Speaker 2>the Pentagon papers case fifty years ago. Now. But finally,

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<v Speaker 2>and here I think you will agree with me, is

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<v Speaker 2>and the White House saying, no, you know what, We're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to bend to the conventional wisdom and the

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<v Speaker 2>braying hounds of the media and the weak need Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>that someone has to be fired because exactly that reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Where was that? Here's what Lucretia is right, Where was

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<v Speaker 2>that chorus of accountability and the day after day media

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<v Speaker 2>pounding for any of the instances that she mentions. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's only when Republicans do it, and that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Republican presidents have a history mostly for the last fifty years,

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<v Speaker 2>of giving into that. And that's one of Trump's strength

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<v Speaker 2>is that he doesn't. So I kind of like to

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<v Speaker 2>think that this is deliberate setup, although that's working to

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<v Speaker 2>eight or ten dimensional chests, and so I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll say, what's wrong with this A simple explanation

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<v Speaker 3>that you had all these people all around the world

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<v Speaker 3>who were trying to discuss this. They couldn't use, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the government classification, the classification approved systems for

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<v Speaker 3>and so they use signal to talk about it, and

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<v Speaker 3>by mistake they added somebody who shouldn't have been on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that like just like to me, people are constantly

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<v Speaker 3>like sending you emails and texts where they put people

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<v Speaker 3>on by mistake. Why why not just say we made

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<v Speaker 3>a mistake, no harm came of it, leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're actually they are saying mostly that. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that the the the level of coincidence

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<v Speaker 1>that had to have happened for Jeffrey Goldberg of all

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<v Speaker 1>the lying, duplicitous you know, he has been behind every

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<v Speaker 1>single faux story against Trump that's been out there. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the losers and on and on it. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>guys just foul in every possible way. And his boss,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the widow of Steve Jobes is equally awful.

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<v Speaker 1>The odds of Jeffrey Goldberg, of all people, being the

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<v Speaker 1>person that somebody put the wrong number in for are

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, They're astronomical. There's just no I mean, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean, if they had added Laura Ingram by mistake, you

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<v Speaker 3>think this was true?

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Blow from Indiana?

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<v Speaker 3>That that right?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, but that that would make no

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it does kind of remind me of the press

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, what, do you do you think this

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<v Speaker 3>story has but Lucretia, do you think this story has

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<v Speaker 3>any more legs? Do you think that this is uh?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, obviously Democrats are trying to turn it into

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<v Speaker 3>a scandal. Even Hillary Clinton made an appearance, I believe,

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<v Speaker 3>writing an open saying they accused me of this and

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<v Speaker 3>this is much worse what they're doing. Do you think

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<v Speaker 3>the story is going to die out? Is it? Or

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<v Speaker 3>is it something that's more symptomatic of a bigger problem.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not tragic any problem on the Trump team. What

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<v Speaker 1>what is symptomatic of is there There is not a

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<v Speaker 1>that describes the level of hypocrisy, delusion, lack of self

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<v Speaker 1>awareness that it would take for the Democrats in general,

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<v Speaker 1>but someone like Hillary Clinton especially to actually say that

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<v Speaker 1>there's something wrong with what happened there. I mean so,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, again, Republicans as usual are are probably

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<v Speaker 1>and they're all those other things that instead of just saying,

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<v Speaker 1>shut up, look at what your side did, they have

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<v Speaker 1>to Oh, it was terrible, kind of like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>January sixth was a horrible insurrection. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>hate it. I hate Republicans. I especially hate those kind

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<v Speaker 1>I do have to say, when it comes to mistakes,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you how many times I'm assuming Steve

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<v Speaker 1>is actually texting his wife and it's never anything you know,

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<v Speaker 1>lovey dovey or anything that he's texting. But he'll text

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<v Speaker 1>me do you want to stop at da da da Dad?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm thinking uh no, because I'm two thousand miles away.

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<v Speaker 1>But then he'll write back wrong person. And he does

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<v Speaker 1>that all the time, don't you, Steve. And it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>because it comes whatever comes up first. You don't pay

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<v Speaker 3>I just keep getting Steve's mobile takeout order from McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, lucky guy yet mcgrib lover.

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<v Speaker 2>I can let listeners know John that on that point

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<v Speaker 2>thecreat just made. I accidentally texted the zoom link for

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<v Speaker 2>this show tonight to John Eastman. He may show up yet,

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<v Speaker 3>Don't get John in a zoom conference.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that that part of your argument makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>not that that that random person ended up being Jeffrey Goldberg,

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<v Speaker 1>because I actually am among Steve's contacts and John Eastman

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<v Speaker 1>is actually among Steve's contacts.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the interesting story I saw about this was that

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<v Speaker 3>assuming Waltz did it and are wondering why is Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 3>Goldberg and Waltz his contacts? Yeah, Steve, any closing thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>on controversy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's over. It's the'll be something new next week.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, Well, I do have I did have to

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<v Speaker 1>Congressman Tim Burchett, Yeah, gets pull this, you know. Soy

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<v Speaker 1>boy reporter comes up to a mos iPhone. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>trust Trump's national security team to keep our war plans

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<v Speaker 1>top secret? And brgant answers? Do you trust your mother

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, So.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to use that. Okay? Well, I thought maybe

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<v Speaker 3>the second story we talked about also just came up today,

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<v Speaker 3>but you guys mentioned it earlier when you were reviewing

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<v Speaker 3>the Philadelphia Society is uh, I think unprecedented attack by

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump on some of the leading liberal law firms

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<v Speaker 3>in the country. Uh. The news out today is that

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<v Speaker 3>Paul Clement, my former co clerk for Larry Soccer, who

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<v Speaker 3>was the Solicitor General, that's the guy who argues all

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<v Speaker 3>the United States' side in the Supreme Court, has agreed

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<v Speaker 3>to represent one of these firms and to sue the

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<v Speaker 3>Trump administration on the ground that the Trump administration sanctions

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<v Speaker 3>on these firms violates their right to free speech, violates

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<v Speaker 3>the right of counsel of their clients, and punishes these

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<v Speaker 3>firms without due process. Some of the firms like Paul

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<v Speaker 3>Weiss in New York and now we just learned also

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<v Speaker 3>today SCAT and Arps. I think the largest of the

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<v Speaker 3>top corporate law firms have made deals with President Trump

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<v Speaker 3>saying that they will end their dei hiring practices, that

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<v Speaker 3>they will do probota work for the President's causes. But

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<v Speaker 3>the excuse me, but other firms like Wilmer Hale, which

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<v Speaker 3>that employed some of the prosecutors like Covington and Berlin,

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<v Speaker 3>the Special Council prosecutor under Jack Smith, or employed some

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<v Speaker 3>instead suing. So, Steve, what.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the president making a mistake? Does this go too far?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this a fair game after all the lawfare of

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, first of all, you used an interesting word,

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<v Speaker 2>you said, this is unprecedented, and if by that you

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<v Speaker 2>mean no president has ever taken as aggressively after law

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<v Speaker 2>firms as Trump is, that's probably accurate. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>mean that more broadly, I mean, I can think of

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<v Speaker 2>lots of parallel examples. Let's take just one, and you

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<v Speaker 2>may not think it really applies, but it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Truman seizing the steel industry in nineteen fifty two, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I could go through a long list of

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<v Speaker 2>Franklin Roosevelt intimidating companies, threatening to jail executives. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>this is heartball politics, and this fits with a broader

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<v Speaker 2>pattern of Trump. Trump is using the powers that have

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<v Speaker 2>the years. You can say this about the tariffs too,

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<v Speaker 2>against the left, and you know, I kind of like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I do understand that this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to understand some reasonable criticisms of it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think these a lot of these law firms richly

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<v Speaker 2>deserve it. And by the way, I think also, and

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<v Speaker 2>here's a question John for you, I think that the

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<v Speaker 2>actual step being taken is stripping them of their security

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<v Speaker 2>clearances and access to classified documents, which is important for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of their clients. It would be defense contractors,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know lots of other people clients that may

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<v Speaker 2>be individuals. They may be representing. Seems to me that's

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<v Speaker 2>entirely within the president's legitimate powers. And then the settlement

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<v Speaker 2>talks is where Trump is running a heart bargain saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you refuse to I mean, I do think

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<v Speaker 2>these law firms that refuse to a higher Republicans or

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<v Speaker 2>any alumni the Trump administration. You know, Bill Crystal Nuthers

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<v Speaker 2>had operations to blackball lawyers who'd served in the Trump

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<v Speaker 2>White House and a Trump administration and Trump won. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>They deserve to be punished for that, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they won't ever do it again. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's also costless in this sense. Uh again the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the moral equivalent. People say, well, when you get

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<v Speaker 2>a Democratic president, they'll do that to Republican big law firms,

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<v Speaker 2>and I say, name me one.

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<v Speaker 3>There's only one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I don't which is who would that be? I

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<v Speaker 2>mean Jones Day? Okay, we all right, maybe it'll be

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<v Speaker 2>tough on Jones Day, but you know our friends at

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<v Speaker 2>Constaboya McCarthy, you're not big enough for them to go

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<v Speaker 2>after and and they're not doing anything that that would

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<v Speaker 2>have you know, a security clearance would effect anyway, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm all for it. And uh, I expect you

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<v Speaker 2>may disagree and think this is worrisome, but that's because

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<v Speaker 2>you're too conventional.

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<v Speaker 3>Agrecia, what do you think about this?

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I gave my views last week. I'll quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>and it really is that you start from the premise

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<v Speaker 1>that no law firm has a right to claim some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of largest from the federal government, from the executive branch,

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<v Speaker 1>executive branch. I'm sorry, it's just that simple. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>only one law firm. I don't care. I first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that we should be that the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government should have its tendrils quite so far out. But

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly don't have a problem with pulling them back

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<v Speaker 1>when those very same grants and the grants of security

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<v Speaker 1>clearance and all those other things are being used against

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<v Speaker 1>the executive I mean, what world would you live in

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<v Speaker 1>where that wouldn't happen. I'm serious. I mean, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it just seems so obvious.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a lawyer like you, are John, and I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine this hits a little closer to home for you

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<v Speaker 1>than it does for me. But I, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that everything that Doge and Trump are doing

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<v Speaker 1>is absolutely legitimate under their executive power, absolutely legitimate. And

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen one instance yet. Maybe either you or

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<v Speaker 1>Steve brought it up last time, the sending the MS

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<v Speaker 1>and trend diagua gang bangers to El Salvador without some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of due process to prove that, as Boseberg said,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody saying oh they're not they should be able to

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<v Speaker 1>prove they're not really gang bangers. Yeah. Right. Maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>an argument to be made that that went a little

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<v Speaker 1>too far against individual rights, but I no, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see it. I don't see anything wrong with it. And

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<v Speaker 1>if democratic presidents want to retaliate next time around, if

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<v Speaker 1>they ever get in power again, which is a big if.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm okay with that too, will but they're okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe not in my lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>Well hopefully.

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<v Speaker 3>Well let me ask you. Let's go back to Steve then,

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<v Speaker 3>because he said there are examples, other examples in history,

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<v Speaker 3>would you be comfortable if the Democrats were in charge

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<v Speaker 3>using these same powers to say I don't like the

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<v Speaker 3>president of Chrysler and their view. Oh it's not even

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<v Speaker 3>called Chrysler, sorry, Stilantis Ford. I don't like that Ford's views.

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<v Speaker 3>So the US government will no longer buy Ford cars

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<v Speaker 3>and trucks for the government, and we will no longer

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<v Speaker 3>and we will investigate anybody in the government who contracts

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<v Speaker 3>with for This is what the executive order basically does

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<v Speaker 3>with regard to law firms. It only singles out specific

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<v Speaker 3>firms that had lawyers that probably you know, went after

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<v Speaker 3>the visiting president. But yeah, still it's not all law firms,

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<v Speaker 3>which would be easier, right if you said you extu

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<v Speaker 3>an executive order, any law firm that has a DEI

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<v Speaker 3>program is going to get its government tracks cut off

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<v Speaker 3>or it's classification cut off if they represent China, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, that would be I think Lucas should

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<v Speaker 3>be completely right.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think there's a problem with that. The problem

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<v Speaker 3>is what was singling out individual companies and firms because

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<v Speaker 3>they harmed the president in the past personally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but by the way, you picked bad examples, John,

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<v Speaker 2>because if the President said I don't want to buy

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<v Speaker 2>cars st the Lances, I would probably approve of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But well it's not that you know, that's a longer story.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes all the way back to the Chrysler bailout.

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<v Speaker 3>For you, they still owe the government money.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, they all take quickly. And actually, well

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<v Speaker 2>that's a better point that two thousand and eight bailout

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<v Speaker 2>is different. But that I don't know about. But although

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<v Speaker 2>you know, actually I don't want to go off on

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<v Speaker 2>a tangent here, but some of the stuff the Obama

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<v Speaker 2>people did was absolutely outrageous. I mean, they canceled bond

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<v Speaker 2>holders with legitimate claims and threatened them if they if

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<v Speaker 2>people who had genuine legal recourse said they might actually

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<v Speaker 2>try to vindicate their financial rights to debt instruments and

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<v Speaker 2>things of that kind. I mean, it was talk about

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<v Speaker 2>lawless and I think they're parallel cases. I do. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I have some sympathy with your argument that when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to legal representation that's maybe a little different than

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<v Speaker 2>straight up commerce like selling cars or debt instruments for

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<v Speaker 2>general motors and things like that. But on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to change unless they're have their nose blooded.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's at the end of the day, I come

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<v Speaker 2>down on that side of the matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, we're not also in a We're not in a

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<v Speaker 1>what would you call it, We're not in a zero

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<v Speaker 1>sum game environment. The most of the lawfair conducted by

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<v Speaker 1>law firms in DC are conducted against Republicans, and especially

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<v Speaker 1>against Trump. And it wasn't just Trump that couldn't find representation.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also all the January sixth people and so

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<v Speaker 1>on and so forth. So if we ever had a

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<v Speaker 1>level playing field, we might be able to look at

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<v Speaker 1>this again and say, yeah, there's something kind of not

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<v Speaker 1>right about the president using his awful power as a

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<v Speaker 1>chief executive to ruin an industry or ruin a law

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<v Speaker 1>firm or whatever it might be. But we're not in

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<v Speaker 1>a level playing field. And I kinda I know this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a constitutional argument, but I tend to agree with

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<v Speaker 1>Steve on that if you don't punish them somehow, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe look at it as the Morrison versus

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<v Speaker 1>Olsen scenario, where what did it take to finally get

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't the Court fixed who fixed the situation with

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<v Speaker 1>the Independent Council. It was Democrats who saw what happened

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<v Speaker 1>when it was turned against them. Now, the Court was

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<v Speaker 1>terribly wrong in their decision on that one. But it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to be more or less a mood issue,

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<v Speaker 1>because hey, this is a really stupid idea, because look

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<v Speaker 1>what they're doing with it. You know, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>might apply here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Democrats thought the Independent Council was only meant

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<v Speaker 2>to be applied against Republicans, And when I was applied

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<v Speaker 2>against I often sometimes wondered if ken Starr dragged that

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<v Speaker 2>thing out with the intent of killing it off. He

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<v Speaker 2>succeeded exactly, and so for that maybe I'll think more

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<v Speaker 2>kindly of him.

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<v Speaker 3>But okay, okay, maybe one more topic before we go

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<v Speaker 3>to our deep think part of the podcast, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is a lot of action on the Court's front involving

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<v Speaker 3>the future of the administrative state. So on one level,

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<v Speaker 3>this week, the administration suffered a defeat in the DC Circuit,

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<v Speaker 3>where the DC Circuit is the appeals court sitting in Washington, DC,

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<v Speaker 3>which upheld Judge Boseburg's temporary restraining order on the Trump

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<v Speaker 3>administration from continuing to deport anyone under the Alien Enemies Act.

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<v Speaker 3>So chalk that up as a loss in raising questions

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<v Speaker 3>about how far can which we talked about last week,

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<v Speaker 3>How far can federal judges go in second guessing the

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<v Speaker 3>decisions of the political branches on how to protect our

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<v Speaker 3>national security. But just today the d C Circuit, same

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<v Speaker 3>three judges that decided that case handed a big win

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<v Speaker 3>to the Trump administration by upholding the firing of a

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<v Speaker 3>member of the National Labor Relations Board and basically saying

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<v Speaker 3>Humphrey's Executor, which still allows these independent commissions to remain

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<v Speaker 3>free of presidential control, was headed for the dustbin. Even

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<v Speaker 3>though the Supreme Court has yet to overall Humphrey's Executor,

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<v Speaker 3>that d C Circuit basically said its time is over

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<v Speaker 3>based on what's been going on in the last twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five years. This would be a cardinal win for the

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<v Speaker 3>Trump administration to establish their principle that there are no

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<v Speaker 3>independent regulatory agencies. They're all under presidential control.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the vote, John was a three zero or two.

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<v Speaker 3>To one, two to one. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 3>get into the judges in the depinion on Judge Boseburg,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a judge appointed by George H. W. Bush,

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<v Speaker 3>Karen Henderson, who voted to uphold the ban on the

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<v Speaker 3>Venezuelan flights, but she also voted to strike down the

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<v Speaker 3>constitutionality of the independent regulatory agency. She's the she would

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<v Speaker 3>be the person in the middle. She'd be the Anthony

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<v Speaker 3>Kennedy of YEA. Then the balancer Judge Judge Walker. I

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<v Speaker 3>started coughing and laughing because people can't see Lucretia doing

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<v Speaker 3>her imitation of the karate kid right now, so chopping up.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what. But Judge Walker, Justin Walker, who

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<v Speaker 3>was appointed by Trump, voted to overturn Judge Boseburg and

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<v Speaker 3>so he was in dissent, but he wrote the main

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<v Speaker 3>opinion in the case about the nl RB. And Judge

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<v Speaker 3>Patricia Millett, who is I believe it. Yeah, she's an

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<v Speaker 3>Obama appointee. She voted uphold Judge Bosberg but also uphold

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<v Speaker 3>these independent agencies. So it's really Judge Henderson, the Bush

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<v Speaker 3>appoint to, who you know went between the two the

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<v Speaker 3>conservative legal sides typical.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, Steve, what's.

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<v Speaker 3>Your thought on the latest goings on the latest efforts

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<v Speaker 3>by Trump to expand presidential power and how he's faring

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<v Speaker 3>in the courts. What do you think is going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, I can't really say about the

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<v Speaker 2>immigration case. I don't sort of know enough about how

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<v Speaker 2>that law works and what the grounding of that might

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<v Speaker 2>be on the firing part. Though. My question now is

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I asked what the vote was. If it

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<v Speaker 2>was three zero, I could see the Supreme Court declining

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<v Speaker 2>to hear an appeal and say, you know what, we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna let the DC Circuit do the dirty work on

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<v Speaker 2>this so we don't have to do it. But if

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<v Speaker 2>it's two to one, I don't know, or maybe somebody

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<v Speaker 2>will create a circuit split somewhere else and they'll have

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<v Speaker 2>to take it up. But pretty bold. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't read that opinion, but you tell me it's pretty bold.

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<v Speaker 2>A DC circuit to say, as you characterize it, Humphreys

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<v Speaker 2>is a dead letter. Uh, And you're just going to

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<v Speaker 2>say the we're going to save the Supreme Court the

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<v Speaker 2>trouble of having to do it, and so that could

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<v Speaker 2>be potentially huge.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the Descent says that the Descent says you're

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<v Speaker 3>not allowed to overturn Humphreys. Only the Supreme Court can

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<v Speaker 3>overturn humph.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have to uphold it.

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<v Speaker 3>Who do you think you are?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? So no, No, they're very aware of what they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine that it's such a wild wild West out there

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<v Speaker 1>right now, in the whole land of the judiciary, that

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<v Speaker 1>I think people think they can do whatever the hell

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<v Speaker 1>they want to. If you want to know my opinion

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<v Speaker 1>about it, Let's see how far we can go before

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<v Speaker 1>it all comes crashing down. There's my deep, deep theory

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I mean to get my point, John, seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole idea again that these these judges like Boseburg,

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<v Speaker 1>whose daughter, by the way, is employed by directly by

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<v Speaker 1>a legal legal aid fund that gets money from USAID

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<v Speaker 1>and guess who they represent Ms thirteen and trendi Agua

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter. Why on earth did that guy not recuse himself?

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<v Speaker 1>I told you he was corrupt as hell. You didn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe me, John, But anyway, my point really is bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than that, and that's that right now people are judges

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<v Speaker 1>are acting in ways that nobody ever thought they ever

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<v Speaker 1>could conceivably do, and they're getting away with it. So

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<v Speaker 1>hell why not? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I don't I think the story arc here, John,

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<v Speaker 2>If I you know, an optimistic predition is this again,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a parallel with the new deal, and here

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do a historical analogy just to annoy

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<v Speaker 2>Lucretia before we get to our main subject, which will

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<v Speaker 2>annoy her analogy.

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<v Speaker 4>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, you know, the story arc of the

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<v Speaker 2>New Deal was is the Supreme Court had a mixed

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<v Speaker 2>record in Roosevelt's first term. They upheld some New Deal things,

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<v Speaker 2>they thumped hard on some others, but then in the

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<v Speaker 2>second that completely surrendered. And I think if Trump is persistent,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's nothing if not persistent, I think his odds

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<v Speaker 2>improve of either forcing the Court to back him up

634
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.719
<v Speaker 2>with well considered and so many of their moves are.

635
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<v Speaker 2>It seems to me much more prepared and grounded in

636
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the law than the first term. And or Congress is

637
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<v Speaker 2>going to start saying, you know, we can't have instability

638
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>and terror policy. Maybe we need to revise the delegation

639
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.679
<v Speaker 2>of tariff setting the presidents that we've had in place

640
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.960
<v Speaker 2>for forty fifty years, which in my mind would not

641
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.360
<v Speaker 2>necessarily be a bad thing anyway. So that's what I think.

642
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<v Speaker 2>I think Trump's going to win most of these battles

643
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day.

644
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I think one thing that's remarkable is

645
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.880
<v Speaker 3>how much success Trump is having, and he's reflected in

646
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:49.840
<v Speaker 3>the opinion polls, which we talked about a little bit

647
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:55.639
<v Speaker 3>in the last week. Brings to the forefront the last

648
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 3>issue for our podcast, a topic we rarely talk about,

649
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:03.760
<v Speaker 3>which is on this podcast. Although I can't wait to

650
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.719
<v Speaker 3>hear what Lucretia has to say, what's wrong with the

651
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.519
<v Speaker 3>Democratic Party?

652
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, how much time should.

653
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 3>We got about you know, good balance left on the show?

654
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 3>What should the Democratic Party be doing? And part of

655
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<v Speaker 3>this is raised by we can't help the shadow freud.

656
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.480
<v Speaker 3>We enjoy reading all these stories in the press about

657
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:28.320
<v Speaker 3>how the Democratic parties in disarray, confused, doesn't know what

658
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 3>to do. There are several bell weather elections on Tuesday

659
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 3>for two Republican House seats that have been vacated and

660
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:43.880
<v Speaker 3>a election for the Wisconsin Supreme Court, which will probably,

661
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 3>depending on that will have a big say on whether

662
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:52.159
<v Speaker 3>Democrats in the Wisconsin Legislature engage in severe partisan cherrymandering

663
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 3>that could flip the House. At the same time, you

664
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<v Speaker 3>have Democrats winning some minor last week, some minor state

665
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 3>races here and there, one in my home state of Pennsylvania.

666
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I actually can't believe that the county where this election

667
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:13.760
<v Speaker 3>happened to actually voted for a Democrat. But they did, Yeah, but.

668
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.960
<v Speaker 2>By like seven hundred votes. I mean it was very close.

669
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:19.119
<v Speaker 3>And this is Trump country. I mean I've been this

670
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.599
<v Speaker 3>is Trump. This is like basically Amish country.

671
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<v Speaker 2>This is ly I know. But look, I mean this

672
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>is very typical off your elections. After a new president

673
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.519
<v Speaker 2>comes in of another party, the minority party often picks

674
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<v Speaker 2>off seats that they otherwise wouldn't win just because they're

675
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Speaker 2>more motivated and they turn out people. It's easier for

676
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.639
<v Speaker 2>them to turn out people, and Republicans if they're in

677
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.840
<v Speaker 2>power or Democrat that they stay home in larger numbers. So, look,

678
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:46.800
<v Speaker 2>the turnout is half in those elections, John and what

679
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.280
<v Speaker 2>it was some time. Yeah, I think this is in

680
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 2>this case, it was half of what it was just

681
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:55.119
<v Speaker 2>four months ago in November. So I think it's I mean, look,

682
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:57.719
<v Speaker 2>you don't like to lose. A win is better than losing.

683
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>And I think the Florida I think Republicans will hang

684
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:03.079
<v Speaker 2>on in Florida, but it'll be a lot closer, and

685
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Democrats will say, look how close it is. And Trump

686
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.480
<v Speaker 2>was unpopular, and so I think that's a you know,

687
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 2>I think that's all ephemera myself. I think more interesting

688
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 2>is the clash between This is why I'm so interested

689
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.480
<v Speaker 2>in the abundance agenda that's suddenly getting all this publicity

690
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.440
<v Speaker 2>right now. The celebrities and the Democratic Party and the

691
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 2>base is excited about this tour of Bernie and AOC,

692
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 2>And what it looks like to me is Bernie has

693
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<v Speaker 2>already said he's not going to run again because he's

694
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:35.719
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eighty years old, and I think he

695
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 2>is passing the torch to Alexandria Okazia Cortes, and I

696
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.800
<v Speaker 2>think she's going to run. I think what for president.

697
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:46.760
<v Speaker 3>In the next election.

698
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think is old enough.

699
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she is. She will be. And by the way,

700
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the clue of this will be if she

701
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<v Speaker 2>decides not to run against Chuck Schumer for the Senate

702
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 2>in New York, which he's terrified about and there's been

703
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:01.920
<v Speaker 2>talking of for a long time, and that will have

704
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:04.599
<v Speaker 2>to be decided within a few months, I suspect. And

705
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<v Speaker 2>so that's going to mean she's gonna run for president probably.

706
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<v Speaker 2>So the progressives are, the grassroots are very excited. But

707
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<v Speaker 2>meanwhile you have the thinkers of the Democratic Party. You know,

708
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 2>both of them might like to say, it's not that small,

709
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.000
<v Speaker 2>but you know some that you and I know John,

710
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know if you've met Ruy to

711
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.880
<v Speaker 2>share at Ai, who's you know, an old social democrat,

712
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:29.480
<v Speaker 2>small pe, not insane progressive who had to go to

713
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>AEI because the Center for American Progress essentially kicked him out.

714
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:38.159
<v Speaker 2>And he's been saying, for instance, democrats are nuts to

715
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<v Speaker 2>go along with the climate change crazy people. And then

716
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.920
<v Speaker 2>lately he's been saying, look, if Democrats want to get

717
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:47.360
<v Speaker 2>back in the game and restore their fortunes, somewhere where

718
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Democrats run a city badly, they should fix it and

719
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.760
<v Speaker 2>show that they can govern competently where a lot of

720
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:56.159
<v Speaker 2>people live. And good luck with that. By the way,

721
00:40:56.199 --> 00:40:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've heard the news Los Angeles,

722
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.679
<v Speaker 2>the city of Lost Aigle Angels is a billion dollars

723
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 2>in the red. They're not even bothering asking Washington for

724
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.519
<v Speaker 2>a bailout. They're asking Gavin Newsom for a bailout, which

725
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I think he can write out of his own check

726
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 2>book myself. But okay, but look the abundance. Guys are

727
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 2>all saying, golly, we over regulate things. This is really

728
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:22.400
<v Speaker 2>bad and it's been funny to watch Ezra Kline, who's

729
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, a real piece of work, do the media

730
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.159
<v Speaker 2>blitz here in the last week about the new book

731
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:30.599
<v Speaker 2>he's written with Derek Thompson from the Economists, and they go,

732
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.400
<v Speaker 2>they're saying things that people like me have been saying

733
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 2>for forty years about why the regulatory process is perverse.

734
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.079
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, if you're an egalitarian, it disproportionately hurts.

735
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:44.840
<v Speaker 2>The further down you get on the income scale, the

736
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:46.719
<v Speaker 2>more it hurts people. Right, It's why we can't have

737
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:51.280
<v Speaker 2>you affordable housing in California. Do you know, by the way, John,

738
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:56.000
<v Speaker 2>that the Civitas people are all over this. The greater

739
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:58.760
<v Speaker 2>metropolitan area of Houston in the last seven eight years

740
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:03.199
<v Speaker 2>has built more year than the entire state of California

741
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.159
<v Speaker 2>every year. So just one city in Texas builds more

742
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:09.519
<v Speaker 2>housing than all of California. There's something obviously wrong there.

743
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 2>Everybody knows what it is, and Ezra client has done

744
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 2>got the receipts. And it does annoy me that these

745
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:19.360
<v Speaker 2>guys act like they're discovering this problem for the first

746
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:21.800
<v Speaker 2>time because part of their they don't want to acknowledge.

747
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.639
<v Speaker 2>The Conservatives are right. I also think a big defect

748
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<v Speaker 2>here is and I've only read, by the way, it's

749
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<v Speaker 2>not the only book. This other one I just got

750
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 2>today is Why Nothing Works by some guy named Mark

751
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Dunkelman at Brown University. You know, who killed progress and

752
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 2>how to bring it back? And I've dipped in it

753
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.599
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and it's there's no acknowledgement. The conservatives

754
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.159
<v Speaker 2>have been saying this for forty to fifty years, and

755
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.920
<v Speaker 2>they act like they're discovering this problem of over regulation

756
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.440
<v Speaker 2>for the first time. But they go into great detail

757
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:55.840
<v Speaker 2>about you know, what are the reasons why Obama, sorry Biden,

758
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>appropriated forty two million dollars for rural broadband access and

759
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:02.840
<v Speaker 2>as of today, and that was four years ago, as

760
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.559
<v Speaker 2>of today, zero houses anywhere in the country have been

761
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.320
<v Speaker 2>connected to broadband, And then go through all the steps

762
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 2>involved why it can't happen, and it's oh, this guy

763
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:16.320
<v Speaker 2>does tell the story of what's his name, you know,

764
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 2>the mayor of New York in the eighties. The guy

765
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.199
<v Speaker 2>used to say, how am I doing? Cotch? How they

766
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.519
<v Speaker 2>spent fourteen million dollars to try and fix the skating

767
00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:25.960
<v Speaker 2>rink and central a skating rink in Central Park and

768
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:27.840
<v Speaker 2>there was a big flop and then to tear it up.

769
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<v Speaker 2>And finally Trump comes in and says, I'll do it

770
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<v Speaker 2>for seven million, and by the way, if I can

771
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 2>come in cheaper, I get to keep the savings. And

772
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.079
<v Speaker 2>he did. He came in, you know, very quickly in

773
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.039
<v Speaker 2>a few months and built the thing back. And that's

774
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:41.519
<v Speaker 2>part of the Trump legend, right And you know, then

775
00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you something right there. The last thing I'll

776
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:44.400
<v Speaker 2>say about.

777
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<v Speaker 1>This is, I bet they never said that about Trump

778
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 1>in the book.

779
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh this book they do. I mean this, this book

780
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.159
<v Speaker 2>actually tells the story in some detail of Trump coming

781
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:52.760
<v Speaker 2>in and doing.

782
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:54.360
<v Speaker 1>It, but not the Abundance Book.

783
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I've got very far in it. Thereafter

784
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:03.360
<v Speaker 2>some there's a different lineup. I think that there. It

785
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:08.519
<v Speaker 2>reminds me a little bit of the ferment among conservatives

786
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:11.440
<v Speaker 2>in the late seventies early eighties, like, well, there's a

787
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 2>real parallel here, because Klein said we need supply side

788
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 2>progressivism a couple of years ago, and I had a

789
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:17.880
<v Speaker 2>joke about that because I heard him say it, and

790
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I raised my hand and said, do you have a napkin?

791
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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a curve? If you don't have a

792
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:24.400
<v Speaker 2>napkin at a curve. It's not really supply side anything.

793
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:29.000
<v Speaker 2>It's just sparkling neoliberalism. And everybody laughed except him. He's

794
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 2>a real humorless twit.

795
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.519
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, he'd probablyn't understand what you were referring to us.

796
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<v Speaker 3>What he probably didn't understand you were referring.

797
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<v Speaker 4>To, like the laugh of curve.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well you might be right, he might. It might

799
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<v Speaker 2>have totally gone over his head. It wouldn't surprise me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he is the guy twenty years ago, in

801
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<v Speaker 2>his bush hating face who said one of the TV

802
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 2>shows got our constitution. Nough, it's over one hundred years old.

803
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>It's really obsolete. It was just ludicrous how ignorant the

804
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.840
<v Speaker 2>guy is, but pretty typical. My point is is, I

805
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<v Speaker 2>think it's it's interesting. I've actually been close to some

806
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:02.800
<v Speaker 2>of the people who have been pushing this direction for

807
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.519
<v Speaker 2>a long time, like Rui to Shia and my pals

808
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:07.880
<v Speaker 2>at the Breakthrough Institute really incubated a lot of this

809
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:11.559
<v Speaker 2>thought among smarter left of centered people. They're going to

810
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<v Speaker 2>get nowhere with the Democratic Party grassroots, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the important things about you know, the supply

812
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.280
<v Speaker 2>side revolution was you had Jack Kemp and ultimately Ronald Reagan,

813
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.280
<v Speaker 2>who said, you know what, you guys have a great idea,

814
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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to make it part of a campaign.

815
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<v Speaker 2>I can't think of a single Democrat who will grab

816
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<v Speaker 2>these ideas and say, you know what, we need a

817
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<v Speaker 2>serious reform of all this stuff that our team has

818
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.920
<v Speaker 2>been building up for the last fifty sixty years. And

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<v Speaker 2>last point, sorry I went on too long. Lucretia Blin

820
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<v Speaker 2>was on Gavin Newsom's podcast just two or three days ago,

821
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<v Speaker 2>and Klein went through some of this stuff and he

822
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<v Speaker 2>brought California and Newsom. Instead of capitulating like he did

823
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Kirk on DEI and other stuff, Newsom said, well,

824
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<v Speaker 2>you got to understand the circumstances here are really responsible.

825
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.079
<v Speaker 2>In other words, he weasel out of it. I mean,

826
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:03.719
<v Speaker 2>there's anybody who want to grab this, except he can't

827
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:07.559
<v Speaker 2>because he's been running California into the ground. And by

828
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<v Speaker 2>the way, here we are saying we're going to lift

829
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<v Speaker 2>all the regulatory requirements to rebuild the fire zones. There

830
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:17.199
<v Speaker 2>have only been four building permits issued so far to

831
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<v Speaker 2>rebuild houses in all the places that have burned down

832
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.119
<v Speaker 2>down in the LA Area four and you know, in

833
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>three months, so he'd had to put up or shut up.

834
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<v Speaker 2>And I think he knows he can't. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's nobody of the charisma and seriousness of say that

836
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<v Speaker 2>you saw in Jack Camp in seventy nine and eighty

837
00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:34.840
<v Speaker 2>who's going to take up this cause? And so I

838
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:36.400
<v Speaker 2>think it's going to hit the wall. But it's fun

839
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<v Speaker 2>to watch and interesting, and you know, as all the

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<v Speaker 2>I mean every other page, I'm saying that's right, And

841
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:44.719
<v Speaker 2>I heard three things you guys are wrong about and

842
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.079
<v Speaker 2>but still I kind of like to see this. Sorry,

843
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<v Speaker 2>And the lucretia.

844
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:54.280
<v Speaker 3>Lucretia is this abundance idea that intellectual life preserver the

845
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:59.159
<v Speaker 3>Democratic part should be reaching for or if not? And

846
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.840
<v Speaker 3>I saw you taking your head many times while Steve

847
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.400
<v Speaker 3>was talking if not, what should the Democratic Party do

848
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 3>to win an election someday for the press.

849
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<v Speaker 1>I do believe that you asked me that question before

850
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:13.159
<v Speaker 1>the election. And what would I do if I was

851
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:15.920
<v Speaker 1>advising the Democratic Party? I don't even remember what I said.

852
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:21.760
<v Speaker 1>But here's the problem I see with the column the

853
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:27.599
<v Speaker 1>center left, more thoughtful Democrats trying to convince their party

854
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:31.719
<v Speaker 1>not to be radical nut jobs. The problem is the

855
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:37.760
<v Speaker 1>inherent contradictions between what the party claims to claims in

856
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.719
<v Speaker 1>a public way to stand for and what they really believe.

857
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:42.639
<v Speaker 1>And I'll give you an example that actually comes from

858
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.239
<v Speaker 1>one of the articles Steve sent us. Forgive me, but

859
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna read a little bit of it. But you know,

860
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.079
<v Speaker 1>in how in this house we believe signs it make

861
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:53.559
<v Speaker 1>you just want to go, bring the doorbell, punch the

862
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:56.880
<v Speaker 1>person in the face when they answer. But you know

863
00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:00.559
<v Speaker 1>they're all over These people get a set by the

864
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:04.239
<v Speaker 1>waymen I say those things, John, we get negative comments

865
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:09.360
<v Speaker 1>when I talk about people in the face. And yeah,

866
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:09.639
<v Speaker 1>but on.

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<v Speaker 3>This side, I thought our listenership went up every time

868
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 3>you wanted to physicize, because.

869
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:16.199
<v Speaker 1>More people like it than don't. But some people do

870
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:19.559
<v Speaker 1>get upset. Those people are probably very similar to the

871
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.280
<v Speaker 1>ones I'm going to describe here. In a moment it

872
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>says that that you know this in this house, we

873
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:28.920
<v Speaker 1>believe it. Basically, I just the crippling problem, he says,

874
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 1>of the abundance agendas agenda's viability on the left liberalisms.

875
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Forgive me for this liberalism's mutation into an elaborate status

876
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:44.880
<v Speaker 1>game for affluent climbers, whose putative beliefs are almost entirely

877
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:49.559
<v Speaker 1>a matter of blaring fashionable catchphrases which signal their moral

878
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:54.960
<v Speaker 1>superiority while leaving unchanged the material conditions of those supposedly

879
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.599
<v Speaker 1>in need. That is what Trump honed in on in

880
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.679
<v Speaker 1>a way nobody ever thought was possible. He went to

881
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.960
<v Speaker 1>places we talked about this before, like Brooklyn, you know what,

882
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to hand you anything. I'm just gonna

883
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.760
<v Speaker 1>set the conditions that mean that if you try, you

884
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:16.239
<v Speaker 1>can be successful. Democrats don't care about the poor. They

885
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.199
<v Speaker 1>don't care about people struggling. They don't care about the

886
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.400
<v Speaker 1>middle class. They just want to look like they care

887
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.880
<v Speaker 1>about the middle class. My favorite silly anecdote about this

888
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>is from Al Gore who's sitting with his family when

889
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 1>he is still married to Tipper and you know, their kids,

890
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:36.639
<v Speaker 1>and they're sitting at an outdoor restaurant in Washington, d C.

891
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.079
<v Speaker 1>And some homeless guy comes up and asks for food

892
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:42.559
<v Speaker 1>or money. I forget this has been a long time, obviously,

893
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:48.239
<v Speaker 1>and one of the kids says to dad, Daddy, can

894
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.920
<v Speaker 1>we give this guy some money? And he says no, no, no,

895
00:49:52.039 --> 00:50:00.119
<v Speaker 1>much better that we support government policies that help homelessness.

896
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

897
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's your liberal, that's your Democrat. They don't give

898
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 1>a damn about anybody suffering. What you guys can take

899
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:17.519
<v Speaker 1>a picture quick, Steve. All right, So, in case you're

900
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:22.559
<v Speaker 1>wonder why we're all laughing our ghost of a podcast,

901
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:28.079
<v Speaker 1>what do you call the usurper's changed his screen zoom

902
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:35.719
<v Speaker 1>screen name to Jeffrey Goldber for The Atlantic. Sorry and

903
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:39.119
<v Speaker 1>completely you know, derailed my my dietrap. But that's okay,

904
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you guys. You guys know how I feel about this,

905
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and so talking about how you might address these many

906
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:50.360
<v Speaker 1>problems homelessness, lack of housing. We're not building green energy,

907
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:54.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, takes how many years to uh let's see

908
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:59.119
<v Speaker 1>the the light rail system or whatever the hell it's

909
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.639
<v Speaker 1>called in California is supposed to be done speedil speed

910
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:05.320
<v Speaker 1>rail in twenty It was supposed to be done in

911
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:08.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, and they only recently what laid the first

912
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:09.039
<v Speaker 1>piece of track.

913
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna well, if they're lucky, yeah, I mean they're

914
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:14.400
<v Speaker 2>now saying, is that another seven billion dollars to lay

915
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 2>half the track by the year twenty thirty. So it's

916
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 2>ridiculous why.

917
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's the abundant. Why can't we do this?

918
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Why it is nothing working? But you know how I

919
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:27.679
<v Speaker 1>would love to know how much they spent on environmental

920
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:28.679
<v Speaker 1>impact studies.

921
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Only just that Oh my god, Oh it's oh, I know,

922
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:33.280
<v Speaker 2>I know a little bit.

923
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.440
<v Speaker 1>And I would actually relate it. My last thing I'll

924
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:38.880
<v Speaker 1>say about this, John, is I would relate it to

925
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:43.159
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing going on with Tesla's where you have

926
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:47.039
<v Speaker 1>these lefties who claim that all they care about is

927
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the planet and and ending fossil fuels and we all

928
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.719
<v Speaker 1>have to drive electric cars. And I think that stupid

929
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Mayor Karen Bass Bass whatever name is, said that she's

930
00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:00.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna give preference to building permits that claim to build

931
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 1>houses that are all electric. You know, they never end

932
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:11.239
<v Speaker 1>with the nonsense, but you know they're out there destroying Tesla's,

933
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:15.840
<v Speaker 1>destroying Tesla dealership, destroying people who probably bought Teslas. Not me,

934
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:18.920
<v Speaker 1>not me, let me just make that absolutely there, but

935
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:22.280
<v Speaker 1>people who probably bought Teslas because they hear about the

936
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.199
<v Speaker 1>environment and they want to drive an electric car. And

937
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's the typical. The leftists are dumb, Their

938
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:33.960
<v Speaker 1>ideology is stupid, and they can't think. So you got

939
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:35.880
<v Speaker 1>all those things together, you try to come in and

940
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.239
<v Speaker 1>sort of convince them that this would be the way

941
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:42.440
<v Speaker 1>perhaps to achieve the goals you have. They're not their goals. Yeah,

942
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:44.480
<v Speaker 1>they're not their goals. That's the problem.

943
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<v Speaker 2>See, I think John, to answer your opening question and

944
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:50.800
<v Speaker 2>then we maybe close out as I think there's a

945
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:55.519
<v Speaker 2>huge opening for some clever Democrat office seeker or holder

946
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Speaker 2>to say, let's make liberalism great again, and by that

947
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean they to bring up how or to their

948
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:04.559
<v Speaker 2>own party that liberals used to build stuff. You know,

949
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.320
<v Speaker 2>the California that Lucretian I grew up in when we

950
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.599
<v Speaker 2>were very small kids. But it was Pat Brown's governor,

951
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Jerry's dad, old fashioned new deal builder. So what was

952
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.559
<v Speaker 2>going on in the you know, fifties and we're born

953
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:18.239
<v Speaker 2>in sixties, is we were building a big water project.

954
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 2>We were building dams, we were building lots of highways

955
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:22.480
<v Speaker 2>we both lost.

956
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 1>State highways, which we were wonderful.

957
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and and school lots of schools, and boy, you

958
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.639
<v Speaker 2>could build housing like crazy in the state. And really

959
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:33.199
<v Speaker 2>it's it was up until the time the no growth

960
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:35.800
<v Speaker 2>movement started, which really did start here in California in

961
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:39.320
<v Speaker 2>the seventies. You know, home prices in San Francisco. I

962
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:40.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you know this, John, home prizes in

963
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 2>San Francisco were about the same as the median price

964
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:45.920
<v Speaker 2>for the country as a whole. It was actually a

965
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.719
<v Speaker 2>reasonable place to live. And it all started when the

966
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:51.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, the environmental movement going, this is the big

967
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:53.840
<v Speaker 2>thing they would have to turn on to be serious

968
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.440
<v Speaker 2>about this, They'd have to turn on the environmental movement.

969
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:59.079
<v Speaker 2>And I think they're too terrified of that because it's

970
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:01.719
<v Speaker 2>they're too powerful. They give too much money to Democrats,

971
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:03.519
<v Speaker 2>and so that's why they're not going to do it.

972
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.159
<v Speaker 3>So my my little read on it, not having read

973
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:09.599
<v Speaker 3>these books, but read some of the articles and commentary,

974
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:13.480
<v Speaker 3>is that this is just another species of Democrats wishing

975
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 3>they had Obama back, because what they describe is Obama's

976
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:22.599
<v Speaker 3>pitch right, Oa, no drama, Obama. You know, he would

977
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:24.840
<v Speaker 3>make the government work work. They just want the government

978
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:27.719
<v Speaker 3>to work more efficiently. They don't want to change their values.

979
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.519
<v Speaker 3>So that's what Obama said he was going to do, right,

980
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:33.480
<v Speaker 3>he was going to be you know, their you know,

981
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:35.440
<v Speaker 3>their version of let.

982
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Me remind you of the rollout of Obamacare.

983
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:42.119
<v Speaker 3>John, Yeah, no, I'm not saying actually he was that

984
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:44.280
<v Speaker 3>good at it, but that was what they thought he was.

985
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:47.280
<v Speaker 1>And remember how much he pressed pressed the idea that

986
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:52.039
<v Speaker 1>it was the government and not individual uh, innovation, hard work,

987
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.440
<v Speaker 1>initiative and all of that that that. You know, Remember

988
00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:59.599
<v Speaker 1>you didn't build it. I think Obama build it.

989
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Aama's promise to the way Democrats. So Obama was that

990
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:07.559
<v Speaker 3>he would make government more effective, but at the same

991
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.599
<v Speaker 3>time he would still push all their values of diversity

992
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.679
<v Speaker 3>and you know, climate change. Isn't this basically just a

993
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:18.800
<v Speaker 3>Isn't there another Obama out there who can make this

994
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:22.199
<v Speaker 3>same pitch? Anyway, that's my small read on it. We

995
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:26.280
<v Speaker 3>are coming towards the end of the show, so Lucretia,

996
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:28.639
<v Speaker 3>do you have our Babylon be headlines?

997
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:32.199
<v Speaker 1>I do, And remember I said something really dumb last time,

998
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:34.360
<v Speaker 1>which was that the Babylon Bee wasn't going to be

999
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.599
<v Speaker 1>funny anymore because there was really nothing. But man, did

1000
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:40.280
<v Speaker 1>they hit it out of the park. So we didn't

1001
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:46.880
<v Speaker 1>talk about Pete Haigsa's tattoo, but which turns out to say,

1002
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:53.320
<v Speaker 1>underneath his Christian tattoo, there's a tattoo that in Arabic

1003
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:57.920
<v Speaker 1>that called what that says infidel And of course everybody's

1004
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.280
<v Speaker 1>upset about this, and this is just a terrible because

1005
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:03.599
<v Speaker 1>it's going to make the Muslim world think that, you know,

1006
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:06.639
<v Speaker 1>we were enemies of them. Of course we're enemies of

1007
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the Muslim world. Islam is the greatest source of evil

1008
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:12.079
<v Speaker 1>in the world today and every thinking person knows it. Okay,

1009
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:16.679
<v Speaker 1>that being said, concerns raised as hag Seth Unveil's new

1010
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:24.800
<v Speaker 1>kill all Kamis forehead tattoo, okay, British and then then

1011
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 1>of course you know that Starmer is going to abolish

1012
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:33.920
<v Speaker 1>all make illegal the ownership of all ninja swords by summer.

1013
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:36.840
<v Speaker 3>When I saw that, I thought that was actually the

1014
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.079
<v Speaker 3>baton behavo. That's actually true.

1015
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Real, actually true. So British Prime Minister announced this prosecution

1016
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:48.119
<v Speaker 1>of King Arthur for pulling dangerous sword from Stone.

1017
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Well. I also liked the picture they did of the

1018
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:53.119
<v Speaker 2>ninja protest in London. It's just the blank.

1019
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:56.760
<v Speaker 3>Test, Okay.

1020
00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Back to the beginning conversation about Signal hag Seth kicking

1021
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:02.800
<v Speaker 1>him self. We're not just getting thirteen soldiers killed and

1022
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:08.280
<v Speaker 1>giving eighty billion dollars in weapons to terrorists. Not funny.

1023
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Political neutrality. We didn't talk about the PBS hearings either,

1024
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:13.400
<v Speaker 1>but not that much to say.

1025
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, oh yeah, sorry that we only had an hour.

1026
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, political neutrality of PBS questioned after new footage of

1027
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Elmo keying cybertruck.

1028
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Well there was the other one too, where it was

1029
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:30.679
<v Speaker 2>an NPR or maybe it was. PBS presents full range

1030
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:33.159
<v Speaker 2>of view, from partially comedy to fully commy.

1031
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:40.480
<v Speaker 1>So true. Jasmine Crockett says she was just criticizing GOP

1032
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.440
<v Speaker 1>policies when she called Governor Abbott honky boy in the

1033
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:50.480
<v Speaker 1>wheelchair whose legs don't work. Sometimes I think we have

1034
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:51.760
<v Speaker 1>to do an entire.

1035
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Well do we have to?

1036
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Journalist? Just happy to be included in group text for once?

1037
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:05.679
<v Speaker 1>That was pretty funny. Last one I get. This one

1038
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:07.760
<v Speaker 1>isn't the funniest one. I shouldn't have saved it for last,

1039
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:11.360
<v Speaker 1>but I'll say it anyway. Another security breach hunter, Biden

1040
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:15.000
<v Speaker 1>discovered to still be living in White House tool shed.

1041
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:21.519
<v Speaker 1>So they're back. They're back. Oh wait, there was one

1042
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:27.199
<v Speaker 1>for you, Steve, hold on you. State allows I get

1043
00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:31.320
<v Speaker 1>two more. Sorry, State allows open alcohol containers in cars

1044
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:34.519
<v Speaker 1>for parents teaching teenagers how to drive.

1045
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's.

1046
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Inside. It's yeah, I know, federal judge rules. God overstepped

1047
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:48.079
<v Speaker 1>his authority. Adam and Eve can return.

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<v Speaker 4>To Eden that one, okay, Steve, Well, it's my turn.

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<v Speaker 4>They always drink your whiskey, Neat and Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>So, in light of what the Christy was saying about

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00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:05.960
<v Speaker 2>the Aldhore liberal hypocrisy, I'm instead of doing a custom ending,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go straight to music landing and it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be phil oaks. Love me. I'm a liberal.

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<v Speaker 1>I died when I shot John Lennon.

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<v Speaker 2>That tears ran.

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<v Speaker 5>Down by Fie and I cried when I saw Chay

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<v Speaker 5>as though I lost the father of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Now come out and I see he had it come

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<v Speaker 2>in the.

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<v Speaker 1>God what the time?

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<v Speaker 3>Sound though? Love me, Love me.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a go to pro choice Sally recycle my hands

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00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:58.320
<v Speaker 5>and job you love the dead, A funny gunstaff down

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00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:03.800
<v Speaker 5>st talk from my bird of the Shine. Let's go

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01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:05.679
<v Speaker 5>hang a little bit too far?

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01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:11.159
<v Speaker 2>So love me, love I give.

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01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:24.800
<v Speaker 3>I cheer.

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<v Speaker 5>When Clinton was chosen my faith, I don't do anything

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<v Speaker 5>to say I stood.

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01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:36.920
<v Speaker 2>My cats don't say too much more.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love blacks and Latin noise as.

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<v Speaker 5>Fun as the trouble of the song don't Love Me,

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<v Speaker 5>Love Me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a Giver.

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<v Speaker 2>Ricochet joined the conversation. Ye