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Speaker 1: All right, so an update on.
Speaker 2: You Detroit on the Catawba, as Jeff Taylor with the
mech Deck blog used to call us.
Speaker 1: We have the alleged.
Speaker 2: Murderer who was caught on video murdering Arena Zerutzka on
the light rail train back in August to Carlos Brown
is his name. He's accused and charged of murdering Arena Zerutzka.
That was August twenty second. He has now been indicted
on federal charges. And this is happening so often, like
part of it, I wonder, you know, is it? Is
it good optics? Good politics?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And sometimes good politics.
Speaker 2: Is the right thing to do it just they overlap, right,
And so I wonder is it you want to be
seen as fighting crime, getting tough on crime, because Republicans
are going to just hang this around the neck of
every Democrat across the country, all of the uh these
catch and release crime jurisdictions like we have in Charlotte,
and they're just going to keep hammering away at this
because it is an issue that matters to citizens. And
as I mentioned before, Republican candidates have been doing this
to Democrats ever since the Summer of fiery but mostly
peaceful riots, and they have been doing so with great success,
particularly in North Carolina state legislative races and such. Now
it doesn't really you know, it's harder to make it
work at a national level, but you can get some traction, obviously,
particularly if you have an opponent who is running who
used to be an attorney general and then became governor
and then did a whole bunch of racial equity task
for stuff.
Speaker 1: In light of the.
Speaker 2: Racial reckoning that required us to burn and loot cities
for about a year. So that may be part of it,
you know, politicking and getting these charges at a federal level,
that could be part of it. I also wonder if
part of it is a lack of confidence in the
local prosecutors and the local court system, including local jurors,
to actually follow through and hold criminals accountable. So the
federal charges would be a backstop, or maybe it would
be the first bite at the apple, right, it would
be the federal case comes forward first, and then if convicted,
the state wouldn't even bother putting de Carlos Brown on trial.
Speaker 1: They did delay one of his hearings.
Speaker 2: What are they called the rule twenty, I think is
what it's called, and we don't know why that got delayed.
It was at the request of De Carlos Brown's attorney,
which I expect the attorney to put up the best
defense they can of their client, right, So I'm not
criticizing the attorney for de Carlos Brown Junior. I suspect
what they are trying to do is get him adjudicated
as mentally impaired, right, so you can't convict by reason
of insanity. That's what I suspect the defense will be
is that he's crazy and so you can't convict him
of murder. We don't know if the district attorney is
going to seek the death penalty. Spencer, Merriweather and Mecklenburg
County has not made that announcement as far as I've
seen so far, you know, as of this morning. But
with the FEDS now coming in and indicting him, he's
got more breathing room. Also, he's got a governor in
Josh Stein that is probably not going to allow a
death penalty sentence to be carried out, even if they
were to actually go to trial at any point in
the next four or eight years that Josh Stein is
in office, if he were to win reelection. So I
don't know if that's part of the calculation. And look,
death penalty trials are much harder, takes a lot more
you know, manpower, a lot more resources, there's a high
or sort of bar to clear at sentencing. It also
is harder sometimes to get a conviction if the jury
knows that it's a death penalty case, right, so they
may not want to actually go to a sentencing phase
where that's even on the table. So they may very
well not convict on the death penalty eligible charges. All
of that is part of the calculation that has to
be made. So today we find out actually yesterday afternoon,
I guess it was that a grand jury in the
western North Carolina US District Court issued an indictment for
violence against a railroad carrier and mass transportation system resulting
in death.
Speaker 1: That is a federal charge, and so that's what's.
Speaker 2: Being used by the US Attorney in the Western District here,
which includes Charlotte. That's the charge that's being used to
go after to Carlos Brown, because otherwise, you know, just
murder is a state charge. That's why it's always the
State of North Carolina versus de Carlos Brown or whoever
the defendant is.
Speaker 1: The state is bringing those charges. Right.
Speaker 2: Brown is facing a state charge of first degree murder
in the killing of Arena Zerutzka. The family issued a
statement following the federal indictment saying the family is pleased
the federal grand jury returned the indictment against Carlos Brown, Junior.
We are hopeful for swift justice. And that's another thing.
The Feds may actually be able to try this case
more rapidly than the state, which is kind of crazy
when you think about it, because he is literally on video.
We have the entire video, it has audio as well.
There really isn't any doubt, right, like I am like
when it comes to the death penalty. I in my life,
I have gone back and forth on this. I used
to support it, now not so much. And it's not
for any other reason. Then I don't trust the government.
That's what it comes down to for me is I
don't trust the government, and I don't think the government
should be taking the lives of innocent people. And there
are too many examples of the government doing just that. However,
in this case, I'm not really sure what other evidence
could possibly come to light except for somebody, you know,
I don't know, admitting that they're actually to Carlos Brown Junior,
or they did some AI manipulation of the video or
something like. I don't know what else you could present
that would say, yeah, they got the wrong guy.
Speaker 1: They got the right guy.
Speaker 2: They got him within like six minutes of the initial
nine to one one call. He was on the platform,
he had the murder weapon, he had her blood all
over it, He had his blood because he cut himself
when he stabbed her again on video, completely unprovoked, no
communication between him and the victim. If convicted on the
federal charge, he could get life in prison or the
death penalty, and then, according to Queen City News, also
a maximum fine of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars
and supervised release for up to five years. So I'm
not really sure why you would get released if it's
I mean, I guess maybe they could sentence him to
less than life in prison and then the supervised release
for up to five years would tack on at that point.
Speaker 1: But if this guy walks.
Speaker 2: After a certain amount of time, like if he gets
like a fifteen year sentence or a twenty year sentence
or something, which like I don't know, I guess it
could happen. Defense attorneys present evidence that he's insane, he
didn't know what he was doing, and maybe the judge
takes mercy on him and says, well, you're on medication now,
and you know, fine, will let you out after thirty
years or something. So that's the way that could go down.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Randall dropped off. I was going to get to Randall.
Speaker 2: By the way, you disagree with anything I have to say,
you are at the front of the line. That's always
been the policy. I always prefer to take people that
disagree with me. So no need to be afraid, be
not afraid. Okay, I go to you always. Republican leaders
and families of homicide victims are calling for change after
a weekend of violence, which really could be just about
any weekend in Charlotte now Mecklemburg County, Republican leaders did
a press conference yesterday saying that the upcoming election is
a time to bring in new leadership focused on public safety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this would be the time to do it. Everybody.
Speaker 2: People who are sick and tired of crime, of feeling unsafe,
or as the city officials will tell us, the perception
of crime.
Speaker 1: It's your perception. You deluded people.
Speaker 2: You think you're unsafe when you're actually not because of
social media. It's the media. To quote the philosopher Chris Rock,
it's the media, right. The media is the one that
robs you at gunpoint, at the ATM.
Speaker 1: Do people still use ATMs? Like I don't even see
them anymore.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I'm trying to think of the last
ATM I've actually seen, Like that was a pretty I
mean as far as like you know, the the long
arc of history, Like I remember when ATM's like this
was going to be, these things were going to be everywhere.
People were like, oh, I'm going to get an ATM machine.
Like that's really the only place I see them now, right,
it's at like pawn shops, vape shops, and convenience stores,
the little ATMs and stuff. Anyway, I guess now everybody's
just going digital, right Venmo. So the time to get
tough on crime via new leadership, to send people into
office with this as their priority is now for the
city of Charlotte. Okay, this is the election coming up
in a couple of days, Like we got what two
weeks or so before the election. Democrats say they are
also advocating for safety measures just through different avenues, which
kudos to Katie Salt at WBTV for recognizing in this
case at least, that just because people have different avenues
to get someplace doesn't mean they necessarily disagree on the destination.
This has been an argument that I have been making
for thirty years. So when you know you have a
difference of approach, you're like, hey, I want all kids
to be at grade level in reading in math, and
I think this is the best way we go about
doing that. And then I am called all sorts of
names because I don't agree with you and the path
that you want to take to get to the same destination.
Assuming that you're not lying that you want to go
to the same destination of all kids being at grade
level and reading in math or above. Right, assuming that
we have the same goal, we're disagreeing on how best
to achieve that goal, And so I don't call you
names because you want to take this other route to
get there. I disagree with that route, and I'm going
to try to make the arguments against that path. But
when I say I want to go this other path,
and you say, well, Pete, you're a Nazi, you're a fascist,
you're a racist, or a homophobe, or you hate children
and you hate the poor, whatever, Like all of these
ad hominem attacks that people have been throwing at conservatives
for differences in policy approaches, differences in the avenues preferred.
So I applaud the recognition that we're arguing over different
courses to take, and maybe we could apply this very
same logic to all other disagreements. How about that? Does
that sound like a good idea? How about that? If
we all agree that we want to live in a
safe society, and you want to take path A, I
want to take Path B, let's talk about why path
A is better than B, and I'll talk about why
B is better than A.
Speaker 1: And that can be the focus of the debate.
Speaker 2: But that means that you can't just like try to
shout me down, tell me to shut up, call me
a bunch of names, ostracize me just because I have
a different approach.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Think of it like I am the little button you
press on the Google Map, you know, on the alternate route. Right,
Like you say, hey, I want to get here, I
want to get home, and it gives you the route,
and I come along and say, well, you know what,
I would take this other route over here.
Speaker 1: I'm just offering this alternative route.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: You don't call Google Maps racist, I don't know. Maybe
you do, I don't know. But it's a non sequitur argument.
It doesn't follow, okay, but again, just wanted to point
out give credit to the reporter here for recognizing that
they're just different avenues and maybe this standard this approach
will also apply to Republicans when they disagree on the
different avenue, like, for example, immigration, Hey, why don't we
not have tons of illegal immigrants?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: How about we enforce immigration law? We want immigrants to come,
we want them to do so legally. Again, that's assuming
that we both are okay with having a legal process,
and we're like, you're not actually just covertly arguing for
open borders.
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chat with Brian, my old friend Brian.
Speaker 1: How are you, Brian?
Speaker 3: Pretty good?
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, I'm okay. I'm all right. You got
any big plans for Halloween?
Speaker 3: I'll just give out a little bit of candy and
a home for the kids. Yeah. I love doing that.
Speaker 2: Do you do do you make them ring the bell
or do you go like at the down to the
drive or down at the end of the driveway.
Speaker 3: No, they come up back. I'd like to see the
little kids in the costume, specially debabies. They so beautiful.
I love to see what they what they wear. And
so I get his I wonder I just scare him.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I so what my mom used to do
for the older kids, she would make them stand back
on the lawn and she would throw all the candy
up in the air and make them have to pick
up all the candy.
Speaker 1: Off the lawn.
Speaker 3: That was a riot in your front.
Speaker 1: That would have been yeah, exactly. Well, if we had
the big candy bars, I think it might have been. Yeah,
but we never did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right,
So what's what's going on?
Speaker 3: Well, I was agreeing with you. I can't believe it,
but I was agreeing with you about the process as
far as when they're disagreeing or they want the same
the same outcome but want to travel different streets for it. Yeah,
you know what I mean. And so and so I
think that that's that's that's the give and take pretty
much of what our what our country is supposed to
be about. But you know, and you and you said,
you know, if you don't don't agree with me, you
don't have to shout me down and call me this
and call me that. But that is exactly what the
president does. You know, he has note Takorum about that stuff.
If you don't agree with him, then he's trying to
do all kinds of stuff to you. Ridicu you all
kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that in twenty fifteen during the Republican primary,
where he would just make up all of these nicknames
for all the Republicans, And yeah, I oppose that at
the time. I did not like that approach at all.
And I lost that. I lost that, but I lost
the argument. I lost that debate. I lost it in
the primary, and then when Trump won, I lost it
in the general election as well. And now he's been
part of our political scene for a decade. And you know, look,
and there are people. I will tell you what the
Trump supporters told me back when I was saying what
you're saying. They told me that they have already been
called all of these names they have from the left
and the media. You know, Mitt Romney was the next hitler.
John McCain was the next hitler, like everybody is always
called all of these names. And they finally said, you
know what, We're going to hire somebody that is now
going to deal with our opponents in the manner in
which they deal with us.
Speaker 3: Okay, So now let me ask you this then, because
I believe the majority room, that's what our country is now.
Speaker 2: No, it's not no, it's not majority rules. That's why
we have the electoral college.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, fine, but if I got more, if I
got more Democrats in the in the House, in the
Senate than what you have Republicans more so than than
that of the Democrats are going to push their agenda,
and they're going to have their agenda.
Speaker 1: Well, not in the Senate, not in the Senate.
Speaker 2: Right in the House, yes, you're correct, in the House,
but over in the Senate. No, you get the legislative filibuster.
And yeah, you need sixty votes, So you would have
to get sixty either you'd have to elect sixty Democrats
or you would need to get bipartisan support.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well we'll put it this way. Trump running,
we won a whole lot of states in this last election, right, yeah.
As a matter of fact, what they call it is
an overwhelming man date. Is that correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what the That's what Trump is saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that he has an over yeah, over woman mandate.
But okay, if he had that in that election, why
are the Republican Party now going back and trying to
do all this redistrict key if he if he won
all that, So that lets me know that the Republican
Party knows that they have done a shabby job and
they and they're about to be voted out. Okay now that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, so I can answer that for you.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're actually asking me, like, do you
want to know the explanation, let.
Speaker 3: Me ask you something. What am I asking you? What
am I asking you? To make sure that you got
the right question, because.
Speaker 2: Well, you you asked me like, then why are they
doing the redistricting?
Speaker 1: That's what you asked me.
Speaker 3: If if it was a landslide victory as they called it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a landslide. Nobody.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's saying a landslide because a landslide
is generally ten percentage points.
Speaker 1: You said mandate. Now hang on, brien, Yeah, you said.
Speaker 3: They have an overwhelming mandate, right, and you're saying, hey,
this is a land.
Speaker 2: No, those are different things. A landslide is ten percentage
points margin of victory. That's yes, theoretical, that's not no,
it's actually that's not that's not theoretical.
Speaker 1: That's actually very specific. It's very data driven.
Speaker 2: That's what the That's what a landslide means in political
reporting at least so the But the the mandate that
they're claiming is because they won all of the seven
swing states, right, because all of the other states are
you know, we know how they're going to break Republican
or Democrat generally. So we had seven swing states. We
thought there would be a split. That's where the battleground
fight was. And Trump won all of those. That's why
they call it a mandate. What's that with Texas a
swing state?
Speaker 3: Was Texas a swing state?
Speaker 1: No? Texas is not a swing sta.
Speaker 3: So why why do you got to go and redistrict Chexas?
Is North Carolina swing state?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: North Carolina is considered a swing state win since two thousand? Okay, yeah, right, yeah,
and they change you know, swing states. You know what
state is a swing state? It changes based on people themselves,
right See so Brian, that's why. See this is why
I asked you whether you actually wanted an answer to
the question. So if you're yes, if you're asking me
why the Republicans are redistricting, I'm happy to tell you
the reasons why they're doing it.
Speaker 3: I know you're going to tell me some craps they redistrict.
They tell you why becaucause they don't want him to
lose the control of the House.
Speaker 1: And yes, no, no, that right.
Speaker 3: You don't have to tell me, they tell you, right.
Speaker 2: No, that's and that's what I was Yeah, that that
is what I was going to say, Brian. Is that
that's why they are doing it is to is to
try to preserve the Republican majority in the US House.
Because in the midtermin life cheating, man, it's not it's
actually not cheating. Cheating is breaking the rules. No, Brian,
cheating is breaking the rules, and no rules have been broken.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, why do you think California? Wait, Brian,
why do you think, Brian?
Speaker 2: Why do you think California is putting a referendum to
their voters to suspend their constitutional requirement for an independent
redistricting commission.
Speaker 1: Well, why are they doing that?
Speaker 3: I don't live in California. I have no clue.
Speaker 2: Well, you don't live in Texas either, but you seem
to know a lot about that, So California.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I just said I'm ask you because
Texas was always in the news. Now California's not in
the news like Texas.
Speaker 2: California, Actually, Brian, California is in the news because California, Brian, Brian, California, Brian,
California is proceeding with its referendum because of what Texas did.
California then know that. Okay, so you have heard of
California in the news. Okay, good, so.
Speaker 1: The reason why?
Speaker 2: But Brian all, I'm saying, Brian, this is not going
to be a got your point here. I'm I'm just
letting you know that California is doing what it's I do.
You just said you don't follow the news. You said
you don't follow this stuff. You don't know this stuff.
So I'm trying to give you the information. Don't ask
me questions if you don't want the answers.
Speaker 3: No, you don't have the answers I do.
Speaker 2: You just keep talking and you ask these questions and
you pose these k No, Brian, you pose you don't
have it.
Speaker 1: I asked me, whyan I asked Brian. I asked you
why is Brian?
Speaker 2: I asked you, Brian, I asked you why California is
going ahead with its referendum? And you did not know,
And so I was going to tell you why. So
I know this piece of information. You do not know
this piece of information which is relevant to the discussion,
but you don't want to know the information, and it's
not even that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: If you would just let me tell you.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna overtalk me?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes I will. It's my show. Brian.
Speaker 2: No, Brian, Brian, here's the thing. When you call up
and ask me, see, why are you going to talk
over me?
Speaker 1: Brian? Are you going to keep talking over it?
Speaker 3: Answer the question?
Speaker 1: No, you're not. No, you're not. You're not answering the question.
Speaker 3: I said. I was trying to, But you're not letting
me know.
Speaker 1: Brian.
Speaker 2: Nobody's not letting you talk. You've been on the air
now for almost nine minutes, okay, And I will tell
you just.
Speaker 3: As a answer a question.
Speaker 1: What was the question? That's what was the question to you?
Speaker 3: The question to me that you put to me was
that why was California doing what they're doing?
Speaker 1: And you said you didn't know, you don't live in California.
Speaker 3: I told you I didn't know, yes, because I wanted
to hear what you had to do.
Speaker 1: Oh stop it, Brian, See this is Brian. Now you're
just lying.
Speaker 2: Why do you got a deal in bad faith? We
were having a perfectly nice conversation, Brian.
Speaker 1: All right, Brian, we're done.
Speaker 2: I was having a perfectly nice conversation with you about Halloween.
Speaker 1: Why couldn't you just because?
Speaker 2: And I did that purposely because I wanted to see
if you could actually engage in a civil manner, in
a good faith manner, and you did, see, so I
know you have this ability, okay, but for some reason
when it comes to the political issues, you just you
cannot act in good faith. I asked you a question
about California, and here's the thing. It wasn't even that
big of a deal, but it is. It's illustrative of
the breakdown here, which is I asked you why is
California doing its referendum? And you said you didn't know,
and then I was going to answer, and you just
steamrolled and kept blabburn on, and now you claim that
you do know. The only point I was making is
California was proceeding with its referendum to remove the constitutional
requirement that they have an independent redistricting commission do their maps.
They're doing that because they're following the rules. See, California
is following their rules, which is what you said you
wanted Texas to do. And I brought up California as
an example of a state following the rules, hence not cheating.
If they were to cheat, they would just ignore the
Independent Redistricting Commission and they would just draw the maps
and break the law.
Speaker 1: But they're not doing that. They're following the.
Speaker 2: Rules, just like Texas is following the law the rules.
They're not cheating either, North Carolina following our rules. We
are allowed to do this, not cheating. That was the
only point I was making. It's not even that big
of a deal. But you just couldn't shut up long
enough for me to just say that simple thing, and
we could have proceeded on.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
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other question that Brian asked, and this is this is
like I've told Brian this before, I believe stop asking questions.
Just make the assertion. Right, ask a question if you
don't know the answer to it. But if you do
know an answer to a question and you're simply using
it as some sort of a rhetorical setup for an argument,
we can move the conversation along much faster if you
just make the assertion. But I understand a lot of
people don't like doing that because then it puts a
stake in the ground you know, you plant a flag there, and.
Speaker 1: Now you have to defend that position.
Speaker 2: And if you're just asking, then it allows you to
kind of duck out after the answer comes in.
Speaker 1: So that's why.
Speaker 2: I've told Brian, just make the assertion, make the statement,
you know, state your position. The answer to his question
that he probably also knows the answer to on this
one is why are the Republicans or why did Texas redistrict?
And they're doing it to try to protect the House
majority for the Republicans. And they've said that North Carolina
lawmakers just redistricted for the exact same reason, and they
said that. They've all said it, so nobody's hiding from it.
Nobody's saying the quiet part out loud. Everybody's just saying,
that's why we're doing it. Now, why are they doing it?
Because number one, the party that controls the White House
tends to lose in the midterms. That's the historical trend,
and they are trying to to not have that trend
realized again. Number Two, they know if Democrats take over
the House, they're going to impeach Donald Trump for some
other stuff, and they're going to lauch investigations.
Speaker 1: They're going to block his agenda. All of that.
Speaker 2: Number three, the census count in twenty twenty was error ridden.
They undercounted red states, overcounted blue states, and finally, number four,
they included in that census count a lot of illegal immigrants,
which then puffed up the numbers for Democrats.
Speaker 1: That's the answer.
Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for this episode.
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