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<v Speaker 1>His interview is with someone I've known for my entire

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<v Speaker 1>well almost my entire life, and he has known me

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<v Speaker 1>his entire life, and unfortunately for me, he has gone

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<v Speaker 1>on to do great things and has now got me

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<v Speaker 1>in his shadow because he wrote a book first, and

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<v Speaker 1>the book is called Escaping the Drift. And the guest

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<v Speaker 1>is my brother, John Gafford. John, Welcome to the Mandy

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<v Speaker 1>Connell Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first off, I just want to start out by

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<v Speaker 2>saying how proud we all are of you from Lake City, Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>because we just you know, anytime you just done so

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<v Speaker 2>good for yourself and you know, it's amazing, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just kidding. I don't want to talk like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys, you have to understand John, that my long

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<v Speaker 1>ago accent is something of its own character on this

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<v Speaker 1>show because I've ever gotten I've never actually played the

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<v Speaker 1>audio of me and I don't even know if you

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<v Speaker 1>know this, like Chuck. Right after Chuck and I got married,

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<v Speaker 1>I found one of the videos from this and Lusty

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<v Speaker 1>Festival and I showed it to him. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my husband, he's not a man of few words. When

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<v Speaker 1>I got done showing him the talent portion, he sat

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<v Speaker 1>there and it kind of looked like he had just

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<v Speaker 1>watched me murder someone. It was so crazy and unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, I don't know what I was expecting,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't that so for you to bust on

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<v Speaker 1>the scene right now with that, it's just a little

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<v Speaker 1>taste of what we're looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, the only the only time I used that

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<v Speaker 2>accent anymore is when I try to sneak through your

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<v Speaker 2>passion producers on your birthday with that exact accent yearly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I figured, you know, this is a freebie. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have to seek past anybody today, so I would

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<v Speaker 2>just go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>So what about you made you want to write a book?

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<v Speaker 1>Where did the book come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a couple of things. Number one, As you well know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have a lot of success in my life

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<v Speaker 2>until I was in my early thirties, and I spent

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<v Speaker 2>so much of my early life, uh, drifting along just

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<v Speaker 2>with the currents, and and much of my life was

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<v Speaker 2>decided by the whims and just what other people wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to happen to me. And that included when you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I for a corporate restaurant chain that would just pick

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<v Speaker 2>up the phone and move me all over the country

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<v Speaker 2>every three months. It seemed like it. You know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was always me wanting somebody else to kind of save me,

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<v Speaker 2>jumping from girlfriend to girlfriend where it was like, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we've been dating for two weeks, Yes, we should move

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<v Speaker 2>in together because that seems like a good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, John, I stopped learning their names at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, I'll just when one sticks. And one

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<v Speaker 1>finally did, and she is a stellar human being, so

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<v Speaker 1>the right one stuck. But yeah, you did scharn and

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<v Speaker 1>burn through some you know girlfriends then.

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<v Speaker 2>Now they did. So if I could go back, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody says what are your regrets? And I love when

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<v Speaker 2>you hear Hilo entrepreneurs say, I have no regrets because

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<v Speaker 2>everything that happened to me in my life has gotten

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<v Speaker 2>me to the place where I am now, and I

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<v Speaker 2>love that. I don't subscribe to that. I look back

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<v Speaker 2>and I say, Man, if I wouldn't have spent so

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<v Speaker 2>much time just drifting along, where would I be now?

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<v Speaker 2>Like if I would have gotten serious in taking control

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<v Speaker 2>of my life prior to when I did, where would

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<v Speaker 2>I be? And so this is like, if I could

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<v Speaker 2>have a time machine and go back and smack myself

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<v Speaker 2>in the head. I always say this is my user's

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<v Speaker 2>manual to my dipstick twenty seven year old self and

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<v Speaker 2>just say, just do this and everything will work out

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<v Speaker 2>the way that you want. And not to mention that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think feel like ever since COVID, there's been

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<v Speaker 2>this apathy that just runs through everybody. And I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't get talked about a lot, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's just like people just like, man, if

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<v Speaker 2>the government can lock me in my house and just

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<v Speaker 2>take everything away I want to do, like when is

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<v Speaker 2>the other shoe going to drop? And I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>restaurants a lot, because it used to be, especially here

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<v Speaker 2>in Vegas, because we have every unbelievable restaurant on the

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<v Speaker 2>planet here, and it used to be every time you

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<v Speaker 2>would go out, you would just have impeccable food, impeccable service.

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<v Speaker 2>It was amazing. But now it seems like those experiences

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<v Speaker 2>are few and far between because people are just going

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<v Speaker 2>through the motions. And it's not just restaurants, it's everybody

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<v Speaker 2>you deal with, from retail to my business in real estate.

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<v Speaker 2>People just seem to be going through the motions, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is my mission is to wake as many people

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<v Speaker 2>up from that as I can, to take control of

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<v Speaker 2>their life. Because now if you look at what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>with AI coming down the pipe, if you're not completely

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<v Speaker 2>in control of your life, I promise you you're not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna like where it winds up. I mean, did you

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<v Speaker 2>see the new the robot thing for your house the

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<v Speaker 2>other day? Did you see this thing come out? What?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see this? No?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? There is now a show?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a robot you can buy shipping Q one that

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<v Speaker 2>you can buy for either twenty thousand dollars like flat

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<v Speaker 2>by it, or you can release it for five dollars

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<v Speaker 2>a month and it will do all your household chortes.

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<v Speaker 1>I want that so bad. I want it now. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I want for Christmas. Buy that for your sister.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, we're here, like Justin's time is here now. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a job where it's or or you're

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<v Speaker 2>living a life that other people get to decide what

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<v Speaker 2>happens to you, you got to figure it out right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a lot of what the book is.

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<v Speaker 1>So the book is fantastic, although it does scamp on

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<v Speaker 1>significant details about the genuinely powerful. Inflame of your sister,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I got a glancing blow, but you

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<v Speaker 1>probably could have thrown in a couple of chapters there.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have really sales would have taken off like

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<v Speaker 1>a shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, well, here's the problem, right, You've got

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<v Speaker 2>to have some it seems like anymore, you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>have some massive setback to really sell a book. And

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<v Speaker 2>in this one, it was everything that I did to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Book two will be everything you did to me, including

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<v Speaker 2>hitting me with the Sears catalog, which you struck me

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<v Speaker 2>with that many times, walked me underneath that iron table

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<v Speaker 2>as a baby like jail, and I couldn't jailing.

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<v Speaker 1>You were smiling in that photos, No I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was grinting my teeth in with terror in me

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<v Speaker 2>is what I've done. So yeah, that'll be booked two.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, there it does talk about you in the book,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly when it comes to telling the truth, which, as

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<v Speaker 2>we both know, is something I struggle with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>a lot as a kid, right, And I'm very honest

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<v Speaker 2>about that because step one of kind of getting from

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<v Speaker 2>where you are to where you want to be is

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<v Speaker 2>radical honesty. And that's where the book starts and as

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, you know, you'll remember our father kind of

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<v Speaker 2>did a number on our mother and the divorce, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of a weird dichotomy where we lived

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<v Speaker 2>in We were fake rich, Yeah, we lived in the

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<v Speaker 2>richiest neighborhood, but we were broke.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah we had them plenty broke, Yeah, we had no plenty.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a really nice house and a real nice neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 1>but we literally had no money. I've talked about that before,

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<v Speaker 1>and it creates this weird situation. And I think you

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<v Speaker 1>probably got it more because you were so young where

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<v Speaker 1>no idea about those difficulties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so you start lying about stuff, and when

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<v Speaker 2>you start lying to other people about things, that leads

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<v Speaker 2>to then lying to yourself and not being honest with

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<v Speaker 2>where you really are. And so you know, the book

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of a journey talk stories from my life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not, but it really is a user's manual based

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<v Speaker 2>on the stories from that. So starting with radical honesty.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you don't know where you are and

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<v Speaker 2>you're not honest about where you are, it's like when

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the parking garage and you have your phone

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<v Speaker 2>and you're trying to get directions, but it can't hook

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<v Speaker 2>up to the satellite. You can't get directions on where

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go because it doesn't know where you

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<v Speaker 2>are right So you've got to take through radical honesty,

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<v Speaker 2>decide where am I and what did I do? What

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<v Speaker 2>influence did I have to get here? You know, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the first things about this book being radically honestly

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<v Speaker 2>rat honesty. I love it. So when you write a

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<v Speaker 2>book to a publisher, you get reviews from some places,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly called Publishers Weekly, and I got a review. I

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<v Speaker 2>got a call from publisher. I said, we got a

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<v Speaker 2>review on the book. It's coming out tomorrow, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, bear in mind before it even comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>They're normally pretty hard on nonfiction self help books. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was warned about this, and I read the review

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<v Speaker 2>and it was not exactly kind, and I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of bummed about it. And then I went to Ben

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<v Speaker 2>and I read it again the next day, and I

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<v Speaker 2>love this review. And I'm going to tell you I

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<v Speaker 2>love it because obviously it was written by human being

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<v Speaker 2>that has their own view and their lens of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that they said in the

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<v Speaker 2>review is this quote. It said that my advice can

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<v Speaker 2>cometimes sometimes come off as trite because I refuse to

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledge the myriad systemic issues, and I present all problems

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<v Speaker 2>as solvable. And I was like, you better believe I

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<v Speaker 2>do that. Absolutely I do, because much like on your store,

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<v Speaker 2>your show, right, I have the podcast I've been doing

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<v Speaker 2>now for four years, and I have had people sit

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<v Speaker 2>in the studio with me and go over unbelievable stories

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<v Speaker 2>of wild success that according to the myriad systemic issues,

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<v Speaker 2>they have no business being anywhere near this step. So

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely believe that all problems are solvable. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't believe that, I'm gonna be honest with this

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<v Speaker 2>book is not for you. Yeah, right, if you are

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<v Speaker 2>somebody the beliefs you can save yourself, because nobody's coming

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<v Speaker 2>to save you. Now. That was one of the mistakes

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<v Speaker 2>that I made, and I talk about a lot as

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, you know. It was kind of like John

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<v Speaker 2>c Riley from Step Brothers, where I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to get in the family business. Yet I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>go to go to law school. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell I was thinking when I was younger. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like. No, I'm just gonna work with Dad someday

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<v Speaker 2>doing what He's a lawyer and you're an idiot, so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you're going to do here. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as soon as I got to the conclusion

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<v Speaker 2>that nobody was gonna come save me, then that's when

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<v Speaker 2>I started really saving myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I have some questions on our text line for you.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, the book is Escaping the Drift.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes out when two days Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be about Tuesday everywhere everywhere books are Yes, you

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<v Speaker 2>can buy it everywhere, including the audio book, which I

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<v Speaker 2>will say was one of the most difficult things I've

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<v Speaker 1>You should have let me do it. I would have

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<v Speaker 1>Escaping the Drift you can pre order it now. I

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<v Speaker 1>to John's Escaping the Drift podcast page, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>not on iHeartMedia, where your sister works. Throwing that out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry about me. I'll I'll handle it. All My

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<v Speaker 1>companies succeed without you. I don't know if it is

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<v Speaker 1>or not. Here we go, let me ask some questions.

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<v Speaker 1>You're ready from little to a speed round of questions

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<v Speaker 1>from the text line, are you ready? H Mandy? I

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<v Speaker 1>know I have my own theme song for the show?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I know you have your own theme song? No? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's one Mandy. Did your parents like Mandy better than you?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a question for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Father? Yes, mother, No, that is so accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fair accurate?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that fair?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah? Yuh? Hey, John, was Mandy really a problem child? No,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the problem child. He was the one who

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't know. And here's the thing. Let me just say

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<v Speaker 1>this about John, and this is he talks about this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in the book. But I think you almost gloss

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<v Speaker 1>over the way you were careening through life when you

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<v Speaker 1>were younger and John started working. How old when you

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<v Speaker 1>got your first job?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was a kid, I was young, fifteen. You're hustling. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he's been working this whole time. But there

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<v Speaker 1>was a period of like twelve years where you would

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<v Speaker 1>have like five different W two's every time you filed

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<v Speaker 1>your taxes because you have that many different jobs. So

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<v Speaker 1>to nowhere where he is now, and I didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>like sing your praises about the fact that you're one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most you know, successful real estate brokers in Nevada,

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<v Speaker 1>and that you've built this massive business and that you

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<v Speaker 1>invest in all these other companies and that you're incredibly successful.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you have someone in your life that is

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<v Speaker 1>many young people and John, I'm just going to say it,

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<v Speaker 1>this book should speak two young men. It should speak

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<v Speaker 1>to those eighteen nineteen year olds who's who's honestly their

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<v Speaker 1>teen years were screwed by COVID. This is the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of book that you buy them and say, someday you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to go, I'm sick of doing what I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Pick up the book and read it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's got the it's an instruction manual.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. It's a user's manal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is. Uh, Mandy, what is your favorite memory

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<v Speaker 1>of your brother. I'll tell you my favorite memory of

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<v Speaker 1>my brother. It was when he was, I believe in

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<v Speaker 1>fourth grade. He was in the play at Epiphany Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>School and he needed a costume. So my mom, being

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<v Speaker 1>the theater person, did what she did. She went to

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<v Speaker 1>Goodwill and she got a bunch of different pieces to

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<v Speaker 1>home and she's showing John here, I got you all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, and he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, this is so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Where'd you get it? And my mom said, I got

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<v Speaker 1>it at Goodwill? And my fourth grade brother says, did

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<v Speaker 1>anyone see you go in there? And I will never

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<v Speaker 1>forget that? But you know what done? That's because you

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<v Speaker 1>were one of those people that you always want the

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<v Speaker 1>and you've got it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, that speaks exactly to the problem we had

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<v Speaker 2>growing up as kids, which was we didn't have any

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<v Speaker 2>money and you and it would be mortifying for those

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, they would have been well, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I shocked them from you nony years.

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<v Speaker 2>I could carry I could carry dude. One of my

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<v Speaker 2>the most random things. That's like my fas.

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<v Speaker 1>I will ask one more question before we wrap this up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not gonna Should I make him play out

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<v Speaker 1>the day? Do we have somebody to play out the day? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got somebody to play out the day. You're off

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<v Speaker 1>the hook. Oh I can't because you're you're slightly behind me.

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<v Speaker 1>This texter ass to hang on one second. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to decide who talks faster, you or your brother. We

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<v Speaker 1>should have a speed race.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Well, and they didn't get the other one

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<v Speaker 2>this fast, you did not get a word in x

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<v Speaker 2>ys ever, So this is a learned of behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a competition in her household. No, I would

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<v Speaker 1>like you to sort of point out Donald Trump. You

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<v Speaker 1>have an interesting relationship with Donald Trump. Tell people about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was one of eighteen people that was chosen

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<v Speaker 2>to be on the Season three of The Apprentice. We

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<v Speaker 2>was twenty years ago talking about how many touchdowns you

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<v Speaker 2>scored for Polkai. But I do talk about how I

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<v Speaker 2>got on the show, and it was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>that were just excelling at a different level. Sure, and

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<v Speaker 2>when I was on the show, but net worthwise, I

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<v Speaker 2>hustled my way to get on there, right. I just

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<v Speaker 2>I talked my way on and being in that experience

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<v Speaker 2>made me be like, okay, wait a second, you're really

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<v Speaker 2>not living up to your own God given potential here,

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<v Speaker 2>and you got to change what you're doing. And I

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that and how to analyze and get around

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<v Speaker 2>and how to level up by partnerships, mentors, mastermind groups, meetups,

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<v Speaker 2>And I give you really detailed instructions on how to

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<v Speaker 2>locate those things. But the key is you. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>to go locate him. Nobody's gonna if you're waiting at

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<v Speaker 2>home for somebody knock on the door and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>to change your life, it's not going to happen. You

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<v Speaker 1>Last question, was Mandy always as cool as she is now?

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously my audience invested. I'm just kidding. I made him

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<v Speaker 1>do this, John. I was like, you have to ask

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you this. When we were many many,

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<v Speaker 2>many many years ago, when Manny was at Florida State

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<v Speaker 2>we're telling it, Oh we're telling it. Oh yeah, So

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<v Speaker 2>many worked at Mandy worked at a place called the

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<v Speaker 2>Flamego Cafe, and some guy had decided when they got

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<v Speaker 1>We only eight hundred bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>That this guy was like, whatever it was, ate her books,

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<v Speaker 2>just buy everything, and so Mandy as with back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, but you were, you know, nineteen years old

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<v Speaker 2>and didn't have an ID. Mandy, we could buy a

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<v Speaker 2>Mandy to buy speer. So we were to her house.

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<v Speaker 2>She wasn't there, and she's like she saw at Flamingo.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend and I went there. We went and got her.

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<v Speaker 2>She's so drunk. Carried her out of Flamingo like carried

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<v Speaker 2>her out like weekend at Bernie's Arm of Arm. We

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<v Speaker 2>walk into Mike's beer barn. I take her id, I

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<v Speaker 2>place it between her fingers of her right hand, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we I just kind of we flick it on

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<v Speaker 2>the counter as we're holding her up, completely pasted out.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy sells us the beer. And the best part

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<v Speaker 2>of the story is we're trying to get your get

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<v Speaker 2>her upstairs into her apartment after this fiasco and get

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<v Speaker 2>her home, and we can only get her halfway into

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<v Speaker 2>And she still talks to me after that, which so yes,

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<v Speaker 2>she is the coolest pescial.

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<v Speaker 1>She left me laying in the open door of my apartment,

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<v Speaker 1>just left me there, all right. Buy the book by

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<v Speaker 1>the book John Dafford Escaping the Drift. I put a

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<v Speaker 1>link on the blog today. Could you talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>a little brother? I'll talk to you again soon

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, ma'am I'll see as soon