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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm Vin and Code are hard to

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get on. I've I've tried. It's not and it's gonna happen.

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And look, I'm not busy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's it. They're just busy.

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Speaker 1: And I know how it is because I can't, you know,

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keep up. So it's it's it's tough. I think maybe

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if the weather's nicer, it's a good place to visit

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for a weekend, I'll get Vin, maybe bring the family

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down or something like that. Same thing with Cody. I'd

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love to have him come down and enjoy the island

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for a couple of days as part of being on

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the podcast.

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Speaker 2: You know, that would be nice. So so Vinnie, Cody,

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if you're listening, Yeah, someone's for you.

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Speaker 1: I think we'll have them on. I mean, i'd even

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like to have like Jason Poulan or like Christian, like

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Welter or trying to think who else. Pretty much you

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should have Christian and Nick if you can.

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Speaker 2: The mechanic. Yeah, those guys were crazy. Yep, they were crazy.

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They were wild man wild. They would eat anything, yeah, anything.

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It was rotting. Yeah. Nick was a beast, wasn't he

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a beast? Like? Nick would go out every night to

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bars and just knock people out. Yep, he would punch

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it just because he couldn't go home until he did.

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He was a sweetheart too, make at it. Was a

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big hearty guy. But when he drank, he was I'd

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go to the bar with him, right and I put

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my credit card or whatever behind the bar, you know,

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like we were gonna go belly up, start drinking, and

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we'd start drinking, and then he he would get a

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little crazy, and then he'd like hit like boom, upper

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cut through the ribs to you. Yeah, and yeah, he

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got real handsy. I'd leave the card there and just

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go home, like I'm not dying tonight. Crazy. Yeah, he

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was nuts.

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Speaker 1: Him and Christian were both crazy, both great guys, but

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beautiful when they went out drinking.

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Speaker 2: Man, it was just a matter of time, matter of time.

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I was just as bad. I wasn't. I wasn't getting

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into altercations. You know, no, me neither.

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Speaker 1: I never been like that, misbehaving maybe not you, not

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trying to hurt anyone except for you when you were younger.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember this digging it up. It's just like churning.

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Speaker 1: I'm just totally doing I just I guess I think, man,

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I felt like growing up, I had like a lot

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of anger issues just thinking about being like a teenage

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felt like I was maybe it had some anger issues

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and I had younger.

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Speaker 2: Siblings an alcoholic. Yeah, that's true, so I definitely did.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder how how that shakes out, Like what's normal,

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because we used to fight all the time.

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of you. Maybe not at night after dinner.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not with him because he was younger. Maybe probably

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me and my brother Dan probably fought a little bit more.

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I think sometimes we both would.

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Speaker 2: Beat me up, beat you up, Yeah, I remember that.

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and then they'd beat me up for doing that. Yeah.

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would be in like the front bucket seat, and you know,

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we'd be like, hey, you know how much longer I'm

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being real annoying?

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Speaker 2: My father's screaming in the back? Yeah, reaching back.

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Speaker 1: I won't eat words because you can't use those words anymore.

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and he'd be trying to he'd be trying.

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Speaker 2: To hit us the third seat in the back, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I remember one time, man, I signaled to my

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brother Danny, who was sitting next to me, and Michael

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we've we like punched them up real bad, like.

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I did, and I saw I reached over the top

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of the seat. I couldn't read, and I couldn't with

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just so he wouldn't be screaming. And then we let

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it go. And he was like, you know, when you're

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not letting out any sound, but you're crying, And that's

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exactly what happened, like when you're struggling tied up. That's funny.

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victims as well while we're at it. I don't now,

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but that's common stuff. Like I don't I don't harbor

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anything for that as a matter of fact, right, I

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think you're right. I don't think it's a I don't

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feel like I was like a mass murderer when I

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was a kid or anything. You know, I worked for

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a guy or I had a friend. I won't say

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who that I worked for, but his brother used to

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torture him when he was younger. Yeah, yeah, like literally, man,

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you know you got tortured, didn't You know? I didn't

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get tortured, but yeah, did you gotred?

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Speaker 1: We always fallow fist and cuffs and rarely see, we

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never really fought like that. No one in our family

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you know who punched me right back in the face?

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in the face since.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, you punched a guy in the face

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in your hand swelled up. Yeah you got his tooth

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was in your back of your hand.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I was hitting him. Yeah, yeah, your hands.

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This guy in the double yellow line in the middle

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of the road and I was walking with a girl

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and uh, she screamed and it snapped me out of it.

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of you were like so angry you didn't even know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even I remember he told me exactly that the

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next day that he was in like a blackout of

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I wasn't happened to him.

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Speaker 2: I mean I was drinking, but I wasn't drunk. Oh

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he's dead. He's dead. I killed him, but they never

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caught me. Yeah. Yeah, that's the moral of the story.

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I got rid of the tooth, the evidence, get rid

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of all that. It wasn't in his hand, but he

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must have got like he must have. I got an

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insizor right in the in the somewhere.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm telling you, by the next day it

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Speaker 2: It was like it got like bit by a cat

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type swollen. It was disgusting. And then I went, yeah,

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I was Steppenwolf was playing like theirs, and uh, I

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went to go, uh, I don't know, play one of

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the games like where you throw the thing into the

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fish tank or whatever. And uh, the carnie, who was

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like a junkie drying out there was like, holy shit,

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your fucking hand looks bad. And then I grabbed something.

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was disgusting. Man, I almost passed out. I remember the

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smell of fried dough, the sound of the calliope, and

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it's time to check in. You know. That's a good story. Man,

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I never heard that part. I forgot about that. It's good, though.

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I feel bad about punching the guy in the face. Yeah, yeah,

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no one ever looked well some people like that. I

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would feel bad too. You should feel bad. I do,

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But it makes a good storm. It's great. I feel

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that bad. At least you didn't get your face punched in.

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it might as well be his face getting punched, you know.

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about that in the Bible.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you could back it up somewhere somewhere. This

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a little bit. So why did some of the bikes

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built not go to the customer, like the Yeah, we've

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addressed a Jets bike. You know, there's something that we've

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made a commission.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've addressed this a few times.

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Speaker 1: So nine to nine percent of the bikes we've built

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really have gone towards the customers. We have a small

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handful even with what my father has. But in the

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early days, we built bikes as tribute in between the

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bikes we were building for companies. Over a period of time,

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every single bill was for a company, and quite often

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they would introduce a charity, so we got paid and

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we were able to help people out, if that makes

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any sense, you know.

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Speaker 2: And so but the ones we kept are like the

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MLB bike I got back through a sweepstakes. They did

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a sweepstakes on the MLB network.

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Speaker 1: People want it. I bought it back from them. The

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build off bikes. I did my deal so I could

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keep them. A lot of people know about the Yankees'

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bike here because that got damaged me and my father

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restored it, kind of tweaked it, and I ended up

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buying that one back. So you know, there's a handful

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of bikes out there that we have that were either

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some sort of tribute, like on my father's side, like

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the fire bike.

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Speaker 2: Like no one bought the fire bike.

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to nine to eleven and the three hundred and forty

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three firemen that died in it. And so you know

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some of that stuff like that that my father has

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a lot of those bikes. That's why he has so

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many of those because that first season we built a

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lot of bikes like that was more entertainment without the

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without the marketing side of it, without these corpor Once

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the company started coming in and realized what the show

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much more corporate and those bikes lived with the corporations because,

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to be honest with you, they still use those bikes

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for marketing and advertising. The bike never like that it's

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a character from the show. So just like say the

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Miller Electric bike, that was like an early and that

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was a really good brand because we were using the

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Miller Electric welders forever and so that bike now still

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travels around. People see it and they remember it being built,

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so it has a marketing you know, then it starts

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up a conversation and then they're using it as a

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marketing tool.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's like how you get brands in people's mouths, and

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that's that's how they do. So these bikes really they

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work forever. It's crazy, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I think with that, Paul, just being here at

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your showroom when you know there's people coming in the summer.

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Speaker 2: Well how much is it? Is it for sale? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they don't know what I'm doing here because

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I got like this crazy building full of signs and

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these wild motorcycles and I'm in the middle of Long

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Beach Island where no one thinks I belong, you know.

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Speaker 2: Just they're like, what are you doing here?

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Speaker 1: And then they think, well, you must sell motorcycles, you

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know if they're not familiar, and I just sell hats

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and t shirts. Yeah, these bikes are not for sale. No,

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they're not for sale. I'm trying to Actually, I would

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you know, I've talked about this. I wouldn't mind getting

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a few back. I just don't want to pay the

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Paul Junior price because.

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Speaker 2: Right, oh you got to go through like a third party. Yeah,

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some guy who was sweatpants. I wonder if Nate. I

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wonder if Nate make some phone calls for me. Yeah,

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see what we can do. Nate's got money on his voice.

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You need someone like me to knock on the door. Yeah,

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even though we're recognizing Yeah, let's just cut him a breake, honey,

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you hate that bike anyways. Good.

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Speaker 3: You know a lot of people here are asking, like,

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getting the crew together for another build?

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Speaker 2: Is that something you guys would do? I mean I

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would do that. I would love to do that.

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I hadn't really seen him in so long, and I

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really couldn't help but think about the potential for doing

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something together again. I don't know if like a whole

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build like we did on American Chopper, but even to

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have do little product jicks together and stuff would be fun.

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You know, everybody's getting a little older. It's nice to like.

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Speaker 2: Collaborate, Yeah, collaborate, maybe help each other out a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You know, Rick, he's he's doing his distillery, you know,

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stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe do something for that can help him drink it

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and I can help him drink it.

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Speaker 1: Which, by the way, he still hasn't set me any samples.

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So doing anything with Rick I'm not now, I'm not

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doing anything with Rick. Yeah, No, I mean I would

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like to do something like even with then and Cody,

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like all these guys if and I've thought about this

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because it would be cool to get everyone back together

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and do like.

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Speaker 2: A legit big build. It's just logistically very challenging, but

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I think it would make great content. I think the

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fan base would love it, especially if we got back together.

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I'll tell you why. Sure, you figure out something that

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you could build a little quicker or just a part

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of him.

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Speaker 1: No, it's fine, but tell you why, because I feel

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like the fun is still there.

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Speaker 2: You see how me and him are together and we

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like to have fun.

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Speaker 1: You bring all these other guys in and that that

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dynamic comes right back into play.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right away from twenty years ago, ten years ago,

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are goofing around, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Rick's roll would be the same when Vin's

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here as it was back in the day. It's just

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it's just personalities and the way we talk, you know.

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I think Vin would have so much fun on this podcast, dude.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, it'd be cool. I don't I should

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have elaborated. If you guys like spend a week and

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just did it, you know, like the you know, Vinnie

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remembers everything. And he and I traveled together a lot. Yeah,

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so you know we were like the B squad, right yep,

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and we traveled quite a bit. And he he whenever

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I go to his shop, he reminds me of the

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things that we used to do.

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Speaker 2: I remember a lot of them. Sometimes they need a

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bell rung, and some I don't remember at all. You know,

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he's clear. Yeah's it's been like that. Vinnie Renny remembers everything,

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even from when we were younger. He remembers everything. You know.

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My brother Danny's like that. We're talking. We were dogging

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to how he stirs the pot. But he's like that.

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He remembers, like he.

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Speaker 1: Remembers my stats from football, what games we played, who

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we played. I can't it's all just one game in

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my head, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Pretty much. He also used to pick winners for my dad,

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right gambling. Yeah, it was it was like six. Yeah,

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we jumped.

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Speaker 1: Because when it came to the memory thing, my brother

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Danny has a really good memory.

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Speaker 2: For perfect or pure photographic Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that, like that's what makes Vinnie such a

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good mechanic, because when you teach him something, he retains it,

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and then he probably improves upon it or he applies

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it in different areas, and you know, you build upon that.

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You know, that's part of being having a good mechanical

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kind of mind, especially for different types of cars and engines,

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and you have to have an aptitude for that type

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of stuff and a memory, I think is really important.

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Speaker 4: Me.

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Speaker 2: He's a dedication to doing the right job. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, doing the correct job, doing the job right. Yeah,

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doing the job right, yep, Yeah, definitely. Do you guys

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ever go back and watch old episodes of the show.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't really, but I saw the Black Widow episode.

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I gotta tell you, I love watching old episodes and

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I never do. I don't know why, really, I didn't

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never liked watching them before, But now, like I watched

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the Black Widow episode, the first one hour.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and man, dude, we should watch them.

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Speaker 1: Pretty far removed, right, You're completely removed. You're watching it

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for like almost a different person.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I am. We all know, we all are,

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you know, I know? Is it twenty years now some

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of those Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Like perspective is, like me and Dad aren't in that position.

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I'm watching it almost just like almost purely as a viewer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no fresh show. Yeah, it's like the show

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changed for me, dynamic changes. What do you like about

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it when you go and see it. I love seeing

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myself young.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's not that I like I feel any

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kind of way like oh I got to be young.

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I just like seeing myself at that stage, with the

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way I talked, the way I looked, how much weight,

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much more weight I had, you know, like it's how

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we were, you know, and it's like we're I like

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how you know, I was watching like a clip the

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other day that we posted, and I'm just I keep

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like we're yelling across the shop or something, and I'm

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just looking so young.

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Speaker 2: You know. I had my hair, I had a vitality, vitality.

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Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, it's been like how

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many people can say that their history has been preserved

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in this capacity in which ours has for like well

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over a decade of our adult lives.

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Speaker 2: Think about it.

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Speaker 1: That is like there's like three hundred episodes or however

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many episodes we did chronologically, I mean for ten years.

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Speaker 2: It went on. So if you starting to begin and

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go to the end of We're ten years older. Yeah,

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you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's like, that's a massive body of

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my life. Yeah, you know, with some really high light moments. Sure,

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it's a transition for being a young man to a

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middle aged man.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: No, that's good, old fart, old fart man. A lot

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of people are saying, how good you look, Mike. They're like, man, Mike,

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they're lying, nah, I've been seeing that, like amost almost

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every video we put up that has you in it,

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they're like, mikey looks so good.

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Speaker 2: It's like and they only because I used to look

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so bad. Right now I look so so really well.

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Speaker 3: I think you and I were talking off cameras like

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it's it's not so much what you are doing, but

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what you what you aren't doing anymore, because obviously we

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talked to you know, you're not drinking anymore. But you

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know a lot of people were wondering, like popping. Yeah, no,

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more of the hard stuff, huh.

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Speaker 2: And more of the hard stuff. Yeah. I ruined it

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for myself. Yeah yeah, I can't even have a fucking beer. Yeah. Yeah.

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Everybody was dancing and dancing and having a good time.

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At the my niece's sweet sixteen the other night. And

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it's not that I feel like I really want to drink,

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it said, I'm not in the same everybody. Everybody's in

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a better mood. Oh, they're in a way better mood

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than me. I mean really, that's the skinny of it.

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I won't deny that, but I mean, I'm not in

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a bad mood, you know what I mean, it's just

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you're on a different page. Yeah, And a lot of

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people don't take me up on being a d D.

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You don't drive anyways, they do. But this, uh, what

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was I going to say? Oh the other day I

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was at a friend's house and his girlfriend was there

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and I don't know why, but she poured these shots

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of red wine that were like two ounce or you know,

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like the party shots that were plastic and I was like,

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I don't drink and she's like, come on, it's just

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a sip. And then I pan mind it, you know.

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But it's just so some people don't understand it all. Yeah,

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they just think you're weak, Yeah, which is partially correct.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know, you know some people will and be like, oh,

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just wine, and it's like you've gone so many years.

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What would one even do, Like, if I'm gonna have one,

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I'm gonna want twenty.

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Speaker 2: The next thing, you know, the table's flipped over. Oh yeah, yeah,

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it's either flipped over or I'm under it with no clothes. Yep.

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I lost all my money in poker to one of

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my friends. You know, right, you still have a friend.

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We'd get drunk and we'd cheat each other at blackjack.

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Oh yeah, every weekend and one of them, one of

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us would wind up with the other one all their money.

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It's rotten.

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Speaker 3: We talked about you guys, talked about Hudson, Paul's son.

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Oh yeah, man, I've only been working with I've only

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been working with Paul for a couple of years. And

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that guy, that kid's get yeah old bean sprout man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he is.

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Speaker 3: He's giant, does he? He doesn't show any interest or

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does he know about the show? We talked about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wat, he doesn't know.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't watch it. He doesn't really care. You have

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knows he knows what I have? Zero riz zero mad,

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he said, zero riz. No, No, he never watches The

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show Man and I don't ever try and get him to.

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You know, I don't really care because Eventually he'll know

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how cool I am, you know, and uh, you know,

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But for right now, I just like him the way

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he is. Man, I'm not trying to make him feel

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any kind of way. He knows because we travel and

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you know, he sees the what people come up and

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we take you know, random places all the time, at

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restaurants or wherever. So it's not like he last night

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at the restaurant people wanted photographs, right, Yeah, he thought

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that was pretty cool. Actually, yeah, I think so, you know,

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he he I'll pull him in. He kind of likes

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I pull him in.

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Speaker 2: Nothing.

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Speaker 1: He's not a hamm or anything. He just likes that

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he's with d Yeah that's cool and that's so that's cool.

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So it's good.

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Speaker 2: Eventually he'll watch it. I think he'll enjoy it. You

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try to give him a little slack to learn, like

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figure out what he likes.

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Speaker 1: I think if it was different people and not us,

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like if someone else had done American Chopper like the

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way we did and it was removed, I think he

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would like that show because you see how he is

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with that stuff.

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Speaker 2: He likes process. He likes dynamic like our you know,

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patient kid, Yeah, and tedious and patient. Yeah, we watched

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the Silent Film the other day. It was like an

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hour and thirteen minutes. He liked it. He liked it really.

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Yeah for a kid, you wouldn't think that, No, you wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: But he's got like a he's just interesting like that. Yeah,

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very very creative mind, very creative.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was he in the minecraft, right, Yeah, he's

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in the mind because that movie just came.

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Speaker 2: He just came out. Yeah, not yet, we have.

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Speaker 1: We were we were at the sweet sixteen party for

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my nieces the day it broke every Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks phenomenal. It looks like a great movie,

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you know, like this, the way it's done, the characters

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they picked to play.

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Speaker 1: The roles, it's j Jesus. We were actually thinking about

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maybe going tonight.

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Speaker 2: We should just go. We should go. Let's go. I'll

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go see theater. You know. It's easier than watching the

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game get played, because it makes me sick after like

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twenty minutes. It does.

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Speaker 1: It gets your equilibrium kind of like you know, if

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they're moving around too fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they spin, but I guess you get used to that, right,

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Otherwise kids would be puken all day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know I was always against video games,

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but I feel like in in certain measure it's good.

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And I'll tell you his reading is improved because he

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has he's had to read things in order to play

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the game, and it's forcing them. So I think it

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really helped him along, you know. It gave him like

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a practical application to like learn to read.

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Speaker 2: He read the whole Silent film. Oh he did. Yeah,

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he's been doing great with that stuff. Man. Yeah. Wow.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons we moved here because when

470
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,000
we came here, we were having he was he was

471
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,160
struggling a little bit in Montgomery. Now this is three

472
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,680
years ago, so he was much younger. But once we

473
00:21:58,759 --> 00:22:01,559
came here, Man, it just in the past year he's

474
00:22:01,599 --> 00:22:04,680
really come around and he's like straight a's now. And

475
00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:06,279
that's the reason why we came to the It's.

476
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: Good just for the schools here. It's the CIR. It

477
00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:13,240
is the CIR. Schools are really good here.

478
00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:15,759
Speaker 1: They are and it's ten kids, two teachers, you know.

479
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,799
I mean it's it's it's better than some private schools.

480
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:20,400
I'll tell you that much from it right now.

481
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,519
Speaker 2: It really is. He gets any everything he needs, no shit,

482
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:25,720
and he loves school.

483
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 1: Can't even believe it. Man, I just hated school. I

484
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,319
mean I hated school in a way that just I

485
00:22:31,319 --> 00:22:33,920
would like try and be pretend I was sick all

486
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,279
the time when I was a kid, you know.

487
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 2: And he loves it, man, social does can't imagine, you know,

488
00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:41,279
is that really hated school?

489
00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: You know?

490
00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:44,759
Speaker 1: I think that's a lot when it comes to developing

491
00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:47,319
it because it was an uphill battle for me. I mean,

492
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,720
I wasn't good academically, and we had a lot going

493
00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:52,200
on as kids, So I feel like things were a

494
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,279
little tough at home, and so we had like a

495
00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:58,799
lot of stress and I just and I was the oldest,

496
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,440
so probably saw more early on, and that just always

497
00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:06,000
was carried with me. So I brought it to school

498
00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:08,000
with me, you know, and I just didn't feel secure.

499
00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:11,759
Speaker 2: I think you bring it home, it flows downhill, you know.

500
00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:13,519
Beat up his younger brother.

501
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:21,079
Speaker 1: I really I wasn't bringing up, so he's wondering if

502
00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:24,079
he should be first? Like what have I blocked out

503
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:24,839
of my mind?

504
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:33,839
Speaker 2: All? What kind of horrors? Uh?

505
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: This is a cool picture of someone sent let me

506
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,119
get the name here, Shelley. She found these at an

507
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,920
antique store and she bought them. Check these out. You

508
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,000
guys were Pez dispensers. We want we're antique.

509
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:53,519
Speaker 1: I got, I got, I got, you know, yeah, I

510
00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:56,160
think so. You know what's so interesting about these pet dispensers.

511
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,160
We were the first.

512
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,319
Speaker 2: Living Pez dispensers. They took a chance on us.

513
00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: So, in other words, all the other Pez dispensers that

514
00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:05,799
they had done, people had already passed on so that

515
00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:08,319
they couldn't tarnish the Pez name. That was their that

516
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,839
was their branding theory. And when they came to us,

517
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:11,759
the show was so big.

518
00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:15,079
Speaker 2: I think they just threw their morals out the window.

519
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,880
Not really, but you know, they were like, we're gonna

520
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,720
take a chance on you guys, and they may have

521
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:21,119
made us the first living Pez dispenser. So we were

522
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,480
alive while we were a Pez yep. And I never

523
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,759
got a DWI never got tarnish it. Well, how about that.

524
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: All never got arrested for what he used to do. Well,

525
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,799
that's cool. That's a little fun fact about that. So Shelley,

526
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:38,079
hang on to those Pez.

527
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, hang out of those they're gonna be I'll tell you,

528
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:41,559
I'll be honest with you. I bet you really can't

529
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:43,920
find them. And And here's the thing too, Shelley, be

530
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,160
careful with that because if you bump them, one or

531
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,039
two will come out, and if you don't want to

532
00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:50,880
open it, if it's still sealed, it may not be.

533
00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: Then you're gonna just it's gonna look terrible. There's no

534
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,119
way to get us back in the in the compartments.

535
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,640
That's the collection dealer guy.

536
00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: That's right, because you've had that, I think, Yeah, when

537
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,440
they're all intact like that, I think that's much rarer

538
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,200
than other ones.

539
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, where fall seniors on his side, you know, and

540
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,039
you want to keep it sealed, right, So, yes, it

541
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:12,480
looks good.

542
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: You don't need to take them out. It looks it's

543
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,839
like it's already framed up right in the case.

544
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 3: So you thought it was cool looking to post that

545
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,000
picture up because it's a it's a great picture, and

546
00:25:20,039 --> 00:25:21,160
they're in good shape, you know.

547
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 2: It's in the box.

548
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got like, yeah, once I've been pulled up

549
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,559
here here, I got like cases of them. I could

550
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,000
sell them. I could sell them to you hitting more.

551
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:31,920
It's a really good condition.

552
00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, Like the lens of the plastic in

553
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,720
the front hasn't yellowed right, not on those you know

554
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:46,480
what bike is that, Paul? That is no idea.

555
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: Oh it's some random just a yeah, it's like everything,

556
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,839
you know, like a t Rex with a paint, nothing

557
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,640
like gotcha, nothing purpose built, I mean, nothing like theme.

558
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,039
We use a lot of generics back then because there

559
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,519
was a separation between American Chopper, yeah, the television show

560
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:09,960
and Orange County Choppers, you know what I mean yep,

561
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:13,720
So we couldn't use like the fire Bike on that

562
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:18,160
we would need to get permission from Discovery. So for

563
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,079
a while we weren't able to use the bikes, and

564
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,079
then we did this co branded deal with them, and

565
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,240
then we were able to both use the bikes, and

566
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:27,279
then we supported them they supported us, meaning.

567
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:27,839
Speaker 2: The two brands.

568
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: But all the while, Dude, Orange County Choppers remained ninety

569
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:38,519
five percent of the market and American Chopper did pretty well,

570
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:42,839
but it never was able to keep up with our authenticity.

571
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: Of what we were.

572
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: You know, people wanted the shirts we wore, the hats

573
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,759
we wore. They didn't want some variation of it, and

574
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:48,599
we were very sick.

575
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: They wanted the OCC logo and brand as opposed to

576
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,160
the American Chopper.

577
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: And it's wild to man because it's simple logo American Chopper.

578
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: They must have done a bad job promoting. I don't

579
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,720
think so. I think we did a good job. That's

580
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:03,599
the difference. You know.

581
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,519
Speaker 1: We we marketed ourselves with we just said, you know

582
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:08,880
what we were coming from the mentality of like when

583
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,160
you go to the motorcycle shows, everyone wears their own

584
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,680
shirts for their own companies. So when we came into television,

585
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,160
we had a mentality like we're branded. You know what

586
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,920
I'm saying it is, but you know, we just carried that.

587
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,000
That that translated through the show. And then those simple

588
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,279
shirts with the sword on the back and the OCC

589
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,480
logo on the front was like king dude, one color,

590
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,240
simple as you can make a shirt.

591
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,559
Speaker 2: We'll have three of those, right and they're tathered. I

592
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,519
can't wear them out of the house. Oh really, rags, rags,

593
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:42,880
but really the most comfortable shirt of Wow, those are

594
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,000
the first shirts we ever made. I think you guys

595
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,839
were shooting for the stars there. The first one went

596
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,559
to China. No no, no, you didn't go to China.

597
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: No, we didn't go to China, but we were the

598
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,640
first shirts we ever made to sell. We brought to

599
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,519
Daytona and it was of my Spider Man bike, which

600
00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:03,240
precedes the Black Widow. And it had the logo in

601
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,720
the middle of a spider, a spider in the middle

602
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,200
of a logo. And and that was our first shirts

603
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,079
ever and nobody even knew who we were when we

604
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,799
brought those out. We barely sold any And then when

605
00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:15,759
the show hit, we did the occ logo with that

606
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,599
sword on the back. Black shirts, white print, simple, you know,

607
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,839
pimp shirt, pimp shirt.

608
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:27,279
Speaker 2: It was pimp it was by by today's standards of design.

609
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:28,839
It's kind of streamlining, cool looking.

610
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we got to talk about Paul Senior.

611
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,920
I know he gets brought up a lot. I can

612
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,079
tell you from a fan's perspective, right. I was watching

613
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:40,160
one of the episodes, I think when you guys went

614
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:45,400
on when Leno and he's backstage and he's like tasting

615
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:46,599
some of the food.

616
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: And spitting it out. I don't know what it is

617
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,519
doing on camera. Yeah, and he's like making a famous

618
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:55,000
thing to do. I just thought it was so funny

619
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,920
he did that. Yeah, his entire iron working career too.

620
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,759
This guy Bob, remember Bob, Yeah, yeah, Bob. He told

621
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:04,920
me that like one time. My dad just took an

622
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,640
apple from him, took a bite out of it, and

623
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,160
then threw it against the wall next to him. And

624
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,240
when he was telling the story, he was he didn't

625
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:12,799
think it was funny, you know, like he thought it

626
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:15,759
was absolutely most ridiculous thing anybody had ever done. But

627
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:19,960
I started laughing, Yeah, Dad, it was funny. That kind

628
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,480
of stuff is, I gotta tell you, man.

629
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,119
Speaker 1: Certainly, our sense of humor comes from our father on equivocally,

630
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:29,119
the what we think is funny, how we say things,

631
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:31,200
how we tell jokes, all of it.

632
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:34,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's a dynamic, right, it's all a little sick.

633
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,000
I think we watched him speak a lot of AA

634
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,519
meetings growing up, Right, we went to a lot of.

635
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I don't think that's where we learned it.

636
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:46,960
I think we learned it just at dinner time before bed,

637
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:51,079
you know. Yes, so right, I'm chasing you back to

638
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:54,039
your bed down the hallway to whack you think.

639
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: About how much AA taught you as far as telling

640
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,359
a story beginning, middle and end. Yeah, I try not

641
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,720
to leave you out in key details that are frustrating.

642
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,240
There were a lot of those stories, Like everybody was

643
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,319
a storyteller there back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

644
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,640
I just thought that was an interesting kind of influence. Yeah,

645
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,720
maybe not dad so much, but meeting. Yeah, and then

646
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,240
going to a meetings as kids. You're not supposed to

647
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:19,480
do that. Well, they were kids, they were like Alatine,

648
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:22,599
they were, but we'd see it on an open meeting, right,

649
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,079
I'm pretty pissed off to that. Yeah.

650
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: My wife's being you know, like, hey, you can't, you

651
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,200
can't talk about what you're heard in the meetings.

652
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: You're right, had all the names, right, they were like gangsters,

653
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,359
you know, Anxiety John Yeah, yeah, had a last name.

654
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,480
You're right in the room, angry Freddy as angry fred

655
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:47,039
leaving the fuck alone. He's only been sober ten years.

656
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:51,200
His wife and kids fucking hate him. They wanted to

657
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:56,519
kill him or die right, oh man, but really good

658
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,319
stories in there, you know. Yeah, so I think with you.

659
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:02,480
When I was in rehab, I tried telling some of

660
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,279
those stories and they'd blow the whistle. They'd be like,

661
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:09,559
oh no, glorification, glorification, Like what the fuck? Man? I

662
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:13,400
can't express how much, you know, just rolling up, you know,

663
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:16,000
you feel it like kind of the glue is still wet,

664
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,799
but it's dry, and put that thing in your mouth

665
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,720
and like the first pull you know, is that how

666
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:26,559
you're talking? Man? You were ruining people, they were probably

667
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,519
And I was in with a lot of heroin addicts, yeah,

668
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:36,319
or or or oxycon. Oh yeah, those are tough man. Yeah.

669
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:38,880
I was only in there with two drunks and one

670
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:46,440
looked like Johnny Cash. Really. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. I'm

671
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,480
all better now. Good. That's a good thing.

672
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,599
Speaker 3: And I'm watching your dad and just cracking up because

673
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,039
I'm like, that is the stuff my dad does.

674
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,599
Speaker 2: Did you guys? Hear that a lot where it's like, man,

675
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,039
that just reminds me of my family.

676
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that dad reminds everybody of their dad.

677
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:07,160
And because you know, especially from that generation of fathers,

678
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,000
it was a it's a different generation. They really they

679
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:13,720
were brought up different. What was acceptable was a whole

680
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,759
different thing. And they didn't give his They didn't care

681
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,319
as much about what you thought. That way everybody's worried

682
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:21,039
these days.

683
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:29,119
Speaker 2: About the greatest generation. Didn't give you want to nurture them. No,

684
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,880
they were like iron you get a whack in front

685
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,240
of other people. They wouldn't even think for no reason,

686
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:36,839
for no reason, so other people know that whack your

687
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,079
kids like they do.

688
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: No, they were never bad. My father was not like that.

689
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,880
He you know, he was probably tougher verbally growing up.

690
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: His upbringing. Oh yeah, his upbringing. I think his upbring

691
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:49,000
was different.

692
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:54,839
Speaker 1: The kids got beat in my father's generation, and that

693
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,160
was a way of, you know, the old school way

694
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,960
of like making sure they were going to turn out okay.

695
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: He stayed in line.

696
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think some people got ruined in the process,

697
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,240
to be honest with you, Oh yeah, but they didn't

698
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,720
know their parents didn't know any better.

699
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,319
Speaker 2: See where you couldn't put your kids on anything. Like

700
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:15,079
everybody's got their kids on everything now, you know. Yeah right, yeah,

701
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:18,200
But like the hyperactive kids aren't as prevalent anymore, you know.

702
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,559
And I think if I had one of those, I

703
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,319
beat the ship out of him today, you know. And

704
00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:24,279
I wouldn't let him take any any of those pills,

705
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,079
just you know what I mean, just to be a

706
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:32,400
good parent. Well, I'll tell you, man, I bet you would, Mike,

707
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:35,480
I bet I would. I probably would, Man, take them,

708
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,319
take the pills, take the sleep.

709
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: Your dad was jacked, man, and like he still is

710
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:42,920
if you see clips, he still is.

711
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,319
Speaker 2: But there's a scene and you're in it. You're a

712
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:48,079
fan of the show. Yeah, and you you were why

713
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:51,000
I brought Nady. You were. So there's the scene where

714
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,640
you're in the gym with him that I don't trust

715
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,160
you anymore.

716
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: Had he always been I mean, he had to have

717
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:02,240
always been working out, because you or is in a

718
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,559
mix of him constantly working out and just having this

719
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,559
natural like strength and build because yeah, no.

720
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,039
Speaker 1: He always worked out. Well, no, he didn't always work out.

721
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:13,360
He drank a lot back in the early days, and

722
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,119
he worked a lot. But you know, when he got sober,

723
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,880
I was ten, so that was forty years ago, and

724
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,840
at that time is when he started paying attention to

725
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,079
his health. He started working out, made gym equipment for

726
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,719
the basement and got pretty pretty beat big man. When

727
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,119
I was in my teen years, actually when I was fourteen,

728
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,280
we had a pretty extravagant gym.

729
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: We did homemade. We did yeah all together, Yeah, like

730
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,599
all weird stuff. I thought everybody had him in the basement,

731
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,320
you know, they just have a dumbbell or something.

732
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, no machines and everything, because he'd make it. He'd

733
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,440
make everything angle iron tubing, so he made all the machines.

734
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:51,079
Speaker 2: Wow.

735
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, So all of our equipment he made it the

736
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,960
steel shop, even made stuff for the gym later on

737
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,239
in the in the school. But like, you know, as

738
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,079
far as bench and you know any you know, dip

739
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:03,320
bars and you.

740
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,679
Speaker 2: Know, cable machines, he made all that he did. We

741
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,400
never bought that. He would bolt it right to the floor.

742
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:09,599
That's awesome.

743
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty cool man. That's all we ever used.

744
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,480
Bars and yeah, cables.

745
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

746
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 3: Now did you guys like, because you know you're seeing

747
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,960
your dad and he's got all this stuff, did that

748
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:22,159
influence you guys at all?

749
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: Well?

750
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,679
Speaker 1: I started working out with him when I was like

751
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:28,960
like thirteen or something, fourteen, and then we had a

752
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,800
powerlifting team. We traveled everywhere and all these different meats

753
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:33,880
for like two years.

754
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, dude. We were in drug Free Powerlifting Association,

755
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:39,480
that's right. And I got all kinds of records.

756
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: I got state and national record for bench press when

757
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,360
I was fourteen.

758
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, bench press like six and seventy five pounds. No,

759
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:46,880
I think I did.

760
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,079
Speaker 4: No.

761
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: No, when I was fourteen, I benched like three fifty

762
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,519
five what.

763
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had mute and I was fourteen? Were you serious? Yeah? Yeah,

764
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,039
he's always walking around with like a vest on, like

765
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,559
a leather vest with like Gene Simmons kind of you

766
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:00,519
were were team.

767
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just when I when I was in

768
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,880
my when I was in high school, I benched more

769
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,920
weight than in any of the football players in high school.

770
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry.

771
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: When I was in middle school, I out benched everyone

772
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,000
in high school pretty much.

773
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: Were you like, yeah, yeah, I was like, I don't know,

774
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,679
I don't even work and play pickleball. That's all I do.

775
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,199
I should I want to.

776
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: I want to get back into the gym because I

777
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,639
feel like I got to start building that up because

778
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,159
it's going to be harder and harder to hold on

779
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:34,119
to it as I get older, you know. Yeah, but yeah, man,

780
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:36,280
we traveled. We had a great team of people. We

781
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,599
won a lot of meats.

782
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:41,559
Speaker 2: Then a lot of people farting high protein would We

783
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,119
had a tuttle shuttle. We had the van, had a

784
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:52,199
van with all the TV inside v c R shuttle. Man.

785
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: That was my high school that was my high school ride.

786
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,639
That's what I brought my senior year. That's how I

787
00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:58,760
got back and forth to school. That was quite a fun,

788
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:04,119
probably a shagging spirit we're not talking. I don't know anything.

789
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:05,280
I was too young.

790
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,679
Speaker 3: Were you involved with the lifting too, I mean that

791
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,280
blows my mind, but I didn't know any of that.

792
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were. We were hardcore, man. Yeah, I think

793
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,000
all of our friends, everybody was just something I think

794
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:18,840
we did because there wasn't much to do, and then

795
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,880
you'd spend your other time like polluting your system, you know,

796
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:24,960
drinking forties outside the dollar fifty movie. So it kind

797
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,280
of like and you wouldn't even head out then, you

798
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,840
know what I mean. Because you were young, you could

799
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,599
bounce kind of bounce back. Yeah.

800
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:35,519
Speaker 1: Man, I remember, like just man just playing football and

801
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:38,239
working out and travel in and powerlifting.

802
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: They were we would do different We would do the.

803
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: Triple lifts, deadlift, squad and bench as well, but mostly

804
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,480
bench press competitions.

805
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,119
Speaker 2: They were all over.

806
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,079
Speaker 1: It was popular back then, like because it was like

807
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:50,960
a thing to do, you know, and man, it was

808
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,039
all kinds of crazy.

809
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: We go to all these different crazy events in the team.

810
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,159
We would have so much fun on the road, man, Yeah,

811
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,599
make the Collis was so much fun. It was a

812
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:01,840
sky the cause he he had a good bench. He

813
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,480
was a big Greek guy. Oh dude, let me tell

814
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,440
you something. He was like the funny you know when

815
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,880
people have no filter at all and it's just hou

816
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,360
yeah yeah yeah, like like yeah, but just saying crazy

817
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,360
things and being really funny, you know, like in public

818
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,800
and stuff. Yeah. We had a fun travel. We had

819
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,239
a good team. Man, you should have Nick on. That

820
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,239
guy will talk for six hours. Yeah you will, Yeah

821
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,480
you will, right, Yeah, you're gonna have to. Man, they

822
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,679
eat blue jays over there, like I shouldn't see sparrows.

823
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,079
Yeah they did, Man, I saw blue jays really geez

824
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:46,039
Okay though, oh gosh, man, Nick would be He's the

825
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:49,519
kind of guy that he would like go into the

826
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:52,239
house and then you would walk down the hallway and

827
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,800
he would like be he would be taking a dump

828
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,639
with the door open.

829
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

830
00:38:56,679 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: He never it didn't matter if there was twenty people

831
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,880
there company. Yeah. I don't know what that is. Some

832
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,199
people can't because I my old roommate he always left

833
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:10,159
the door when he was taking a ship and he

834
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,920
just couldn't ship without the door open. Wow. Yeah, Like

835
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,679
there's a certain feeling of openness and freedom that leads

836
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:18,920
into the next room that helps your balance things move. Yeah,

837
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,760
I feel what the fuck are you doing because I'm

838
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,760
sharing rent with this guy. You know, what are you doing? Yeah?

839
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,800
It was Andy? Yeah, oh boy, you shouldn't have said

840
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,840
his name. He's knocking. And Andy ended up being one

841
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,960
of our guys yep, on the crew, a premiere cameraman, right,

842
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,960
but he came Yeah, but he was at first, he

843
00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:43,719
was a PA. First, he was a PA worked up

844
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,760
camera assistant, and now he is not only a cameraman

845
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,119
but a director. Yeah.

846
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:49,519
Speaker 1: Man, So he came up through the show. A lot

847
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,440
of people came up through the show. Yeah, they got

848
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,400
their careers started on American Chopper yep.

849
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: And they owe us, they owe us money. We should

850
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:08,239
have a call in right now, yeah, yeah, caller. Yeah.

851
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,559
What about sports? You said I played football. I was

852
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,079
like a good football player. What another position?

853
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm full back and linebacker inside linebacker, full back.

854
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I played well. So in my school we had my.

855
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,159
Speaker 1: Senior year, we had like eighteen kids on the team

856
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:27,880
and we played we'd play schools that had like fifty

857
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,119
four seventy four kids four strings, right, yeah, and I

858
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:35,440
remember we played like Monroe, Woodbury and the ref But

859
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,000
you know, we came out to the field to do

860
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:37,719
like the coin.

861
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 2: Toss rival team, right, yeah, league team that would win

862
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,559
the States Lot.

863
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they were just so much bigger than us.

864
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,639
And you know, the ref said, hey, listen, okay. You

865
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:49,159
know however it shook out. He said, look, if you guys,

866
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:51,079
if anyone gets hurt, you got to forfeit the game.

867
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: That's how we started the game.

868
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,519
Speaker 1: Wow, because we couldn't have less than eighteen kids to play.

869
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,679
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And how do you do

870
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,440
that with football?

871
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: It's like, oh dude, it was brutal. But I loved it, man.

872
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,239
I love football. I loved I loved fullback. I love linebacker.

873
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,079
I was captain of the team from from what I

874
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,559
started playing till my last senior year. So I was

875
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,599
got of the team every year from I think I

876
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:14,719
started playing in what sixth grade and stopped playing, and

877
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,119
you know, lave my senior year.

878
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: Wow, captain fullback.

879
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: So you're scoring touchdowns and tacks, crushing heads, getting concussions,

880
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,440
breaking fingers.

881
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: He was an animal. Yeah, it sounds like I was

882
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,119
an animal. He was an animal.

883
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: I had like a you know, I was really hard

884
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,400
to take down and I hit people as hard as

885
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,199
I could every time, and it would wear people out sometimes.

886
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 2: I even wore myself out a few times. Sure, Sure,

887
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:43,559
I remember one time you got hit and you had

888
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,400
a concussion. That it did probably a couple of times. Yeah,

889
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,400
but it was on like a kickoff. That's when you

890
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,480
could really melee, you can, that's where you get Oh no, No.

891
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: They moved me up to varsity and just for a game,

892
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,559
and they would put me on special teams and uh.

893
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:04,119
And I was like it was like a kickoff return, dude,

894
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:06,360
And I was like watching.

895
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 2: The guy running with the ball. I was back a

896
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,320
little further, dude, and some big guy just level beating

897
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:16,239
first play varsity. Oh man cleaned my clock. Dude, I

898
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,119
was out. I mean he must have saw mark, you know. Yeah.

899
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,519
Speaker 1: So but I was a big kid man. I was

900
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:25,719
always Uh. I was always really strong and fast.

901
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 2: For my side. I think you should have went to

902
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:32,400
the hospital that time. Yeah, I probably should. My ears

903
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,280
was still his hands, he just had I felt bad

904
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,320
for him. I remember, like, holy shite, like tunnel back

905
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,199
in the game. No, but this was before concussions message,

906
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,760
before concussions were expected. Yeah.

907
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like like heat exhaustion was what you

908
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:56,239
expected during practice. You were practicing now like, good lord,

909
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,000
if it's like ten percent humidity, they bring in and

910
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:02,000
they sit you down, we're going to we're going to

911
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,519
the basement of them, which I understand people did you

912
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:08,119
know sometimes kids overheat or stuff. It's it's there's it's

913
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,519
been a little unsafe in the past. But we certainly

914
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:14,000
come from that that old school way of you know,

915
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:19,559
doing uh, you know, triples in the summer ninety degrees

916
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,840
when we were playing we're in camp for football, you know,

917
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:22,960
or the bull ring.

918
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, law that did they Yeah, we just keep crushing.

919
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:29,239
The table blows. Yeah, Like the coach gives everybody a

920
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,159
number in a circle and the guy in the middle

921
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:34,239
was chopping his legs, going in a circle himself, and uh,

922
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,199
at random he gets hit. Yeah, so you get blind

923
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,199
sided one. Oh yeah, man, I can't see where that helps.

924
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,239
But it was nice hitting somebody. You know, so you

925
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,119
played too, I did, but I didn't like it. It's

926
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:51,400
not a killer, man, not a killer, a killer killing.

927
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,119
I'm a killer. He channeled it into a pickleball. Right

928
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,239
right now, I am stuffing out of like eighty five

929
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:05,679
year old women. It's true, it's true. Have you checked

930
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:07,599
out the new indoor one. I was there the other day.

931
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:08,679
How is it? That's great? Man?

932
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I was there right now. No offense

933
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,760
to you, fellas. Yeah, No, it's really good man. It's

934
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:20,119
it's beautiful inside. It's five minutes from here, and it's

935
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,559
you know, conditioned, air conditioned and heated in the winter,

936
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,079
so no wind, no wind, it's nice. Actually, I just

937
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,360
got back in. I took two months off. I got

938
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,679
like a pickleball elbow thing that, and then we got

939
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,039
busy with trying to get out of our house and

940
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:39,000
buying another house, and so I just took them two

941
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:40,760
months off and I just got back into it. And

942
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,159
I wasn't sure if I was going to get back

943
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:46,119
into it, but I'm pretty I'm already hooked. Yeah, And

944
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:47,800
I was overdoing it.

945
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: So I needed the two months off because for like

946
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,519
a year, I was just I was playing way too much.

947
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: I got good, but it takes its toll, you know

948
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,840
what I mean. Like I would play two hours hard,

949
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,440
and then they would be like, hey, we got these

950
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,239
guys coming to you, gotta you want to stay and play,

951
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,599
and I'd end up playing like four hours like that stuff,

952
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:07,880
and it's too much. And I and I overdid it,

953
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,079
So I'm trying to go like every other day.

954
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: Now. No, that's still good. Yea active, Yeah, that's it.

955
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:15,119
That's it. I gotta just move. But I felt so

956
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:15,760
good being there.

957
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: It realieves a lot of stress too, because I'm a

958
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,840
very physical player, so I go, I go for everything

959
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,679
over the court, you know, the stressful. Yeah, but no,

960
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,039
when it comes to football, man, you know, Michael would

961
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:31,440
have been really good, but he just didn't.

962
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:33,199
Speaker 2: He didn't have He didn't like to hurt people. No,

963
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,119
I don't want to hit somebody. You gotta you gotta

964
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,880
be okay with her back football. Yeah, it's funny. You

965
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,039
want to hit your friends so bad? Yeah yeah, yeah,

966
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,679
you don't feel as bad. No, no, because you're like

967
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:54,920
something they said last night, take it out on him. Yeah, right,