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Welcome to the final friend or fed the finale.
Speaker 6: We have come full circle. We have broken the meta.
Ladies and gentlemen. I'll tell you the story in a second,
but thank you to Pash redneck Jay Dyer and Matt Erickson,
who are joining us today to answer the most important
question on the Internet today. Is Jay Dyer a friend
or a FED? Now to clarify some terms here, friend,
of course means he's someone who's been benefiting humanity in
the mineral, who's working, whose contributions have extended conversations, have
elevated humanity in some way, shape or form, or who
was just a darn nice human being. And of course
a FED is a dirty schmuck, someone who is doing
the work of the all the evil people, whether they're
on the payroll or off the payroll, because it has
Matt Erickson once stamuless he said, you don't have to
be on the payroll to do the work of the FED. Now,
interesting story, and this is why this is the finale
of this series. This whole concept of Fender Fed started
in a Matt Erickson Kingpill discord conversation with a super
fan of Jay Dyer who once claimed that Jay Dyer
is a FED based on Matt Erickson's statement that you
don't have to be in the payroll to be a FED.
And I was part of that conversation. When I heard that,
I was like, well, heck, if Jay Dyer can be
a FED, then anybody could make anybody could be a FED.
And that then I did the Curtis Sharbon friender fed,
and off we went down that road. So now that
we have Jay Dyer, the topic is Jay Dyre friend
er fed, and we have Jay Dre on the show,
we have broken the metal. We have come full circle.
I feel like we have completed the journey of the
of the of the series. And thank you, gentlemen for
being part of this historic Internet moment.
Speaker 7: Uh, you're saying the person, You're saying the person was
a hater and now is a fan.
Speaker 6: I don't believe he's a fan Jay. I mean, we'd
have to ask him. But I I was trying to
understand you.
Speaker 7: Said he's not he's the way it was worded, I
didn't understand.
Speaker 6: What did you say? Sorry? Uh, as someone who who
was not a fan of yours was part of that
conversation on mass mass discord, I Matt, you you know
the gentleman I'm speaking of. We won't have to name names,
but I doubt he's come. He's come full he's come
had a Jay Dire moment. Perhaps, I mean maybe this
was Maybe this show will cure him of it.
Speaker 3: What's the evidence on FAID?
Speaker 7: I always want to know because a lot of people
like to everybody calls, everybody said, so what where's what's
the evidence?
Speaker 6: Well? This is so, this is this is part of
the series, right. The series is kind of playing with
that kind of concept where everyone gets called a fed.
Uh and oftentimes, based on what Matt's said about it,
is that because you don't be on the payroll to
do the FED, to be be part of the FED,
I think the attack oftentend then becomes that you are
in some ways, in shape or form, doing the work
of the FED by exposing by by your attacks on
let's say the Roman Catholics or other interest groups, or
by exposing let's say conspiracy theories, or doing some of
the other work that somehow is actually feeding, actually doing
the the the work of the FED, even though you
may may or may not be on the payroll. So
that's I think that's the accusation, and I would seem
to be good.
Speaker 4: I would say that that in Jay's case, most likely
what happens with most people is they they decide that
they think he's a big Meani head, and so then
they have to kind of retroactively come up with some
sort of a justification for why he's not just a
big meani head. It's not just a personal thing. It's
actually he's he's you know, big, uber bad guy in general,
whether it's he's turning people away or you know, contra
all the evidence, or he's distracting you with these conspiracies
and stuff that don't matter, whatever sort of weird thing
they come up with. But I think it really comes
back to people just think that he's a big meani head.
And I know when I first started listening to you Jay,
probably I don't know, like six years ago, five or
six years ago something like that. I first started and
I was kind of like, oh man, he's really he's
really combative with people. This is almost uncomfortable sometimes, I
don't know, and I and I and so I stopped
listening for a little bit. And then my dad, who
is totally the opposite temperamentally to me, usually he's the
one who doesn't like people who are combative, he was like,
you need to listen to this Jay Dier guy. And
I was like, all right, well, I guess I'll listen
to him war, and after listening to I don't know
five hundred hours worth of Jay Dyer, I realized that
he is actually extraordinarily patient. He is extraordinarily accommodating because
he has had these same conversations a million times and
he's willing to still sit there and go through all
of them and is which is a great service to
the rest of us for not having to do it.
We could just say he's done it.
Speaker 7: Well, appreciate it's actually peaking a little bit. It's actually
not a drug rug. It's something that we bought at
a surf shop in somewhere in like Tampa Bay or something.
Speaker 3: So no, it's not it's destined. Excuse me, it's not.
Speaker 6: It's actually a well we all know that Tampa looks
kind of like Dr Matt. Your your volume is peaking
a little bit. If you wanted me to turn it
into your gain, yeah, we'll play with your levels a
little bit, of course.
Speaker 2: So I know Jay, you know. He and I communicate
by relying on big pink beds on our bellies and
talk of the landlines and listen to night core versions
of twenty ten's White Girl Music, which is the highest
form of quinonia. For all of this orthodox so I
have not felt, you know, a FED vibe from it.
Speaker 6: Of course, posh, that calls in question of you're a FED,
because I mean, what we've been has been called in
a question by by a gentleman like Joe Wilson Don
Bacon in Austin, scott when they signed a letter to
Pam BONDI accusing, accusing, making me the accusation that's a Russian.
There's a Russian agents inside Rokor and other Slavonic churches
within the United States. Hey, you know, we might all
be Feds in some way, shape or form. We might
be or at least agents. Maybe we should call it me.
We could have come up with an acre for agents.
Speaker 2: There's food the fools for the Lord, you know, and
the fools for Christ and Feds for Christ's Christ.
Speaker 3: And there's also fools for FEDS that work for the FEDS.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Not not really high on the canonization priorities.
Speaker 6: But ladies and gentlemen, if you want to send your
super chats in and vote for a friend for a
friend or FED. If we want to vote for Jay
Diary being a friend or a FED, five dollars votes
will get counted, will taler them up and I will
read them out at the end of the show.
Speaker 7: Well, I guess if you know, if the government is
saying that we're potentially all Russian agents, that means that
I'm not a that's a good argument against me being
a US FED.
Speaker 6: Right, we could be you could be a double agent though.
Speaker 7: That you're not an agent, right, Like, no matter what
you present, there's no proof because any anything that's counter
evidence just means that you're working for the other side
or double agent. So it's sort of a it's an
unfalsifiable accusation that were you know, you're you work for
the for the government.
Speaker 4: And it's also kind of a when did you stop
beating your wife sort of it too, because if you
tried to defend yourself and say, no, I'm not a FED,
well that's what effect.
Speaker 3: Why you defend yourself. You must be a FED, right.
Speaker 2: Right, only the real Messiah would deny his true python.
Speaker 6: Here's so let's run down your your list of critics here, Jay,
it was just over the last year my short list
and anyone can add to this. It is Sam Schmoun
of the ORBS, Trent Horne. The members of the true
Orthodoxy or true true Orthodox Church Liberal o C A
priest and Brother Nathaniel. An interesting thing about Brother Nathaniel
is that we don't have to really worry about him
so much anymore. Sorry, let me just do this. We
he's removed himself now from ro Corps. Let me just
add this on here in a letter he's just published
on X for the Nathaniel says, to my letter to
ro Corps bishops, you've all been you have all forced
the ro Corps flock on December tenth, twenty five and
to sharing the same cup with b. P. Saba the Antiochians,
who says the heretical monophys Monophysios Mentophysiates share the same
phase as Orthodox Christians. This is aposesey. Thus, in honor
of the Holy Martyr Patriarch Flavian, who is beaten to
death by the Monophysiates by the Rubber Council, I can
no longer stay in the humanist, uncompromised Church of ro
cor I am now with faithful bishops and priests who
are loyal to the Orthodox Faith. My monastic tonsures stays
intact by social media postings against Jews on x and
my videos on Rumble continue and my street evangelism stays strong.
There's nothing you can do to me plan as you
may as heads of the Sandhidrian. All you need to do,
all you need to know is the Lord of Jesus
Christ is Holy Mother and the Patriarch Flavian are protecting
me from your evil plans. You have no authority over me,
as I am a faithful Orthodox Christian and follow the
Lord Jesus Christ and the EXCU medical councils. I formally
leave Rocort today. Monk Nathaniel aka Brother Nathaniel, Well.
Speaker 3: It's interesting.
Speaker 7: It's interesting that he doesn't say who his bishops are
or who he's underneath, so who knows if that's even
the case. But I mean, far more damaging than what
he thinks of me or anyone else is the fact
that he says in his tweets there's no such thing
as thiosis.
Speaker 2: Let me read that. There's no theosis taught in the Bible,
just simple everyday things like helping others out, but.
Speaker 7: Litched out preshypnotized underlings with slogans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's proper rubbish.
Speaker 7: Like imagine monastics for twenty years monasticism and you don't
know Orthodox theology one on one. I mean to me
that says actually loon that you know, that's all the point.
Speaker 6: He wears like he wears like three crosses on it
on himself when he's doing his videos. Someone pointed that out.
He's wearing like, you know, two or three crosses constantly.
Speaker 7: It's like mission obviously clown a long time ago. I
don't I've never understood why anybody follows.
Speaker 2: Like, well, have you heard his song, his cover of
adaptation of Rings of Fire about hell and homosexuality, Because
if you haven't, I'll send it to you and you
will understand white people followed white people what white people
followed him? It is, I'll send you the song. You
will you will know what I mean.
Speaker 6: He seems to doing the Spear of the Age thing,
which is blame the Jews for everything, right, blame Jews
and blame Israel, and by blaming them, give them all
the power, which is something that Matt, Matt and you,
you and I have talked about exhaustively, which is like,
why are you getting if you believe that Israel's this
evil power? Da da da da da, why do you
keep giving them power constantly? Like it's it's it's at
some point becomes like Jew and me, and it's it's
getting a little disturbing.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I'm there's nowhere I hear more about Jews
than the all the from all the people who can't
stand them. And I'm not, I'm no great fan of Jews,
but I'm like, I'm I'm, I'm I'm so un fond
of them that I just don't want to hear about them.
I don't want to. I don't want to be inundated
with this just constantly every day. And I think that's
probably why Brother Nathaniel picked up the audience that he did,
by and large. And if you if you characterize yourself
that way, if that's your brand, you were to get
locked into that brand and you get audience captured bad.
So he seems like he's kind of a boomer lib
who had this hobby horse and who knows whether it
was a sincere approach or not, whether we actually believed
in it, or he's just trying to gin up engagement.
But that's a I'm seeing a lot of people spiraling that.
Speaker 6: Way right now.
Speaker 4: And it's it's like Jason saying, it's just like reverse
worship of your when you scapegoat them, you're also that's
a form of worshiping them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a level at which you start
ascribing too much power to one thing. And obviously there's
a FED element that is there to constantly compromise your
ability to rationally talk about you know, Jewish actors. You know,
like the recent thing with the purchase of TikTok and paramount.
You know, that's something you can actually critique. But if
you just scream, you know, Jews in the media, Jews
in the media, there's no place for rational thought. And
Jane knows this person Kurt Metzker, he describes it as,
you know, being like a human thought, and you're there
to ruin the actual ability by stinking to talk about things,
by stinking everything up. And I think that's obviously people
can legitimately crash into that and start only talking about Jews,
and I think you're missing out many vectors that are
very prevalent. But that's a Fed option, a Schitzo option.
And to me, what Brother Nathaniel did there seems like
he was looking for an excuse to get out of
the canonical boundaries of Orthodoxy. And you know, well, you made.
Speaker 7: I don't even think he was, though I don't. I mean,
there's already been several road Course statements and bishop statements
over the years that we don't really recommend or recognize
this guys. The road Course says something like maybe six
eight months ago about him and sort of dismissed him.
So I've never nobody's ever really, nobody's ever really understood
like what or where his uh monastery is, And you
can't really be a monk without being under some uh,
you know, headship.
Speaker 6: Well, to my to my knowledge, he was still being
accepted by he had he had been part of Roll Corps,
left Ro Corps, been or been tossed out of Roll Corps,
and came back in at some point. But to your point,
I don't know where he came back in, or how
he's being recognized or what monastery's attached to. Uh. It
seems to be kind of a misnomer. But he's been
one of your more vocal critics the other But from
reading this tweet, it seems like he's he's we'll see
what happens, but it seems like he's he's joining up
with Archbishop Greg with a true Horsewox group, and now
that that's also another group that's been a highly bit
highly critically good Jay, and I'm sort of digging into
its I was just part of your I'm it's part
of a voice group over on your discord. I'm talking
to someone who had found themselves participating with the true
Orthodox group and he understands they're schismatic and he's trying to,
you know, pull himself away out of that to be
part of a bigger conversation. This is sort of the
danger right now that I see because Orthodoxy is growing, right.
Orthodoxy's certainly is getting headlines. I've got we've got clips
and video clips we can play of people coming into
the church and the church expanding as people are being
brought in. However, they're not necessarily understanding of what different
schismatic groups because they put they throw Orthodoxy on there
and everyone goes, well, it's an Orthodox church. It's near me.
I was going to go to that Orthodox church. So
maybe we can talk a little bit about who are
these true Orthodox guys? Because I was completely in the
dark of this until about mid year, where I saw
some of them were attacking you. I'm like, way, what
is what is going on and then had to investigate
it from from that perspective. But if someone just is
shopping around for churches, they see Orthodox, they go to
Orthodox church, uh, and then they find out they're they're
too late, that they're a part of schismatic uh, false
false church. Who's not who's not receiving the true true communion?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's a it's kind of like the
Orthodox version of steat of Acantism. If you're a Roman
Catholic and uh, you know, it's really not worth giving
a whole lot of time and attention to these kinds
of groups. Something I've learned over several years is the
more attention and sort of response he gives a lot
of these groups, it sort of feeds into it, and
they feel themselves to be really self important, when in reality,
this is a very minuscule, tiny, tiny fraction of people.
Speaker 3: It's not a real movement.
Speaker 7: They talk about having a synod and then they'll put
up pictures on the Internet of one guy who's dead
and another guy who was the synod, you know, so
it's like it's like trailer parks, five people here and there.
It's not real synods. A lot of mentally unstable people,
a lot of people who are a schizophrenic literally, a
lot of people who are sort of spurgy, and they
recognize that there's real issues with ecumenism and the assumption
the solution is I'll go start my own parallel ecclesiastical structure.
But that's where you get into schism. And with the
church fathers, we don't typically see that there's or one.
There's procedures to win there's problems in the church, you
don't just immediately, sort of in a reactionary way, try
to set up your own jurisdiction or try to get
ordained and create your own thing. That's exactly what the
set of a contested with what's called wandering bishops or
the episcope i vgantes. And if you get into that,
if you study the history of that, whether it's all Catholics,
whether it's Anglicans, whether it's set of a contest Roman Catholics,
or whether it's these fake branches of Orthodoxy, you'll find
that that's rife with actual.
Speaker 3: Feds, spooks and kooks. So it's a wonder.
Speaker 7: It's a world of as I said, wandering bishops that's
not even worth people spending in their time in.
Speaker 2: I would like to say something. So we had this
schismatic bishop not too long ago Serbia. He's dead now,
but he split over the was it twenty to fifteen
Cyprus Synod like some type of ecumenical gathering, and he
got rather upset about that same thing as true Orthodox
like that type of thinking. But since I'm from Serbia
and I am privy to a lot of Internet conversations,
you might not have this yet, God willing it will
come by that I mean, Orthodox will spread to a
lot of people and some of them will just go
via osmosis. But people develop all sorts of theories, you know.
One was that it's an act of apostasy to have
a four part choir because you should only have one
voice singing and it should only be men. So if
you have a four part choir, you're not really worshiping God.
So that's the levels it goes to. And you know,
a lot of people from cradle Orthodox countries we are
very attuned to that type of apostasy because people who
go more liberal, they tend to just you know, not
and take anything seriously. The ones who take everything seriously,
and by seriously it means schizophrenically and with no ability
to discern anything. Just rigidity, like a pharasaic rigidity. And
I tell them, just slap of philaxury on your head.
You know you're halfway there already. You know, people are
attuned to that type of behavior. But that's what you get.
We had that here. Then obviously the bishop dies and
everyone scatters, basically because it is the same thing with Protestantism.
You know, you have very charismatic as the moment he dies,
everything that was apart because it's not actually the church.
It's just you know, demons like to pry both into
liberal and conservative impulses and you know, try to bend
them any way they can into splintering the church and
causing it.
Speaker 3: Half Pharisees and said, you sees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jesus focuses on the Pharisees. Everyone talks about,
Oh you see, he doesn't criticize the liberal No, he
focuses on the Pharisees because they're closer to the truth.
But then you know he corrects them, and the Sudduces
are just out there winging it. You deny everything except
the pentitoke, no after life, no resurrection and nothing. So
they're just so far out that there's barely any reason
to talk to them, but the paracies are close enough
that you can modify it at least try to get
them to understand.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, it's an interesting thing that God just brought
up in a recent conversation, is that the technically the
Pharisees didn't do anything wrong, like in terms of how
they were addressing the letter of the law. However, they
were missing the entire point. Like it's like, yes, okay, fine,
you're you're doing all the things, but you're doing it
you're doing an empty service. So it doesn't matter that
you're doing the things, you're doing it with the wrong spirit,
betweing it with the wrong intention.
Speaker 2: Therefore, Jesus says, you have the power to loosen, bind,
you know, but you only ever bind and never loosen.
So you keep just putting on these regulations upon regulations,
and ultimately that power is taken from them, given to
the apostles, and you know, the whole Seat of Moses thing,
and well that's lovely ecclesiastical stuff.
Speaker 4: I can't get over the notion of four part harmony
being like some sort of degenerate jacobo music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might as well have dubstep.
Speaker 4: Scrillis in the Temple Man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I did some digging. I think I understand maybe
why some of the attacks on Jay Dars happened.
Speaker 7: Remember, a lot of people that are in the Orthodox world,
they're also on meds. And I'm being one hundred percent serious,
like there are people that are on SSRIs.
Speaker 3: A lot of the people in the Orthodox.
Speaker 7: World are unstable mentally, and it makes sense. I mean,
the church is a hospital, so it's going to attract
all kinds of people that need help. But even in
the monastic world too, there are people who have mental
problems in the monastic world. So people need to be
aware of this that when you go to the Orthodox Church,
it is a haven, it's a refuge, it's a hospital
for sinners. But there's gonna be crazy people. There's gonna
be people at your church that are literally on meds
and insane. There's gonna be people that try to fight you.
There's gonna be able to punch you in the face
if you're me.
Speaker 6: So maybe we can speak to this because you obviously
you listed strong responses, Jay, and part of this whole
Orthobro movement that's been decried from let's say from the
Greece and others as well, and has been sort of
a consternation in certain Orthodox circles. I can understand why
in terms of some of the some of the worst
representatives of Orthodox you are on x and some social media,
to the point where you can question if they're actually
Orthodox or if they're actually have gone through some sort
of strict catechism. But I think there's another aspect of it,
which is which is you're getting to the point and
you're and you're hitting them hard, and you're doing the
work that many of the many people think they ought
to be doing because you're bringing more people into the
church one way or the other.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: It is certainly through debate where I've been off and
on on on the status of debate. However, it's it's
just one avenue, right, It's one thing that brings people in,
and if it brings people in, it brings people in.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 6: We're here to set the table where don't convert people.
Christ does that, but we can set the table, and
you've been extremely effective at setting that table. So I'm
wondering if maybe you can speak on this from a
personal level, if some of that strong responses to you
is both just the adversary in general working through people,
but also that sense of pride because when we get
into like liberalda priest and all the rest of it,
we won't have to name names, but they seem to
be reacting to you strongly, almost because you're doing the
thing that they can't do, or they've been not as
effective of doing as you have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably all the above would be my guess.
Speaker 7: I mean that comment on that livestream is actually directed
not so much at clergy or people that I've had
issues with. It was more so with a laity and
people that I've encountered and people that have been kind
of continuous online harassers.
Speaker 3: That was really about those people.
Speaker 7: For example, there was an individual who constantly harassed for
about five years, and then it turned out that he
admitted that he was schizophrenic and that he was no
longer in the church. Who knows if he even was,
So you know, you've got that. You get these people
who you know, do this kind of stuff. They get
these fixations because of whatever reasons. They feel slighted from
a debate. They feel like they're justified because they think
I'm too mean or whatever. And then and Also, you know,
if you got people that that in America's especially, a
lot of people are on SSRIs and so they're unstable people.
Speaker 3: That's prescribed way, you know, too much in my view.
Speaker 7: So a lot of these people who are addicted to
these things and they're on psychotopic drugs, they're in the church,
they have other issues going on. You know, it's it's
just part of I guess, Western living. So you're gonna
have those kinds of people, which didn't have anything really
to do with what I was talking about with clergy.
That was totally separate stuff. But in regards to clergy,
probably they feel like they get put in difficult positions
because a lot of the stuff that we've dealt with
has been pretty high tier Ruman, Catholic, Muslim, Protestant theological issues,
and some of them are pretty difficult. So if you're
not well studied theology and you get people coming to
the church and they've got a lot of theology.
Speaker 3: Questions, that puts you in a weird position.
Speaker 7: Then you're forced to say, well, you know, oh well
Jay Dyer said this is this, and then you have
to say, well blah blah blah blah blah, don't listen
to people on the internet. Well, if I shouldn't, I
don't listen to people on the internet, then I wouldn't
have come to the Orthodox Church.
Speaker 3: So why are you telling me not to listen to
people on the internet.
Speaker 7: So it just creates odd situations that I don't think
anybody expected either, Like none of us expected for the
audience to grow like it did, and none of us
expected to be in a position just yapping on YouTube
to you know, focus so many people's possibilities for coming
to the Orthodox Church in terms of what they considered
as potentialities for their lives. It just it happened here
we are. I'm not sure what the best means and
methods is to handle it, but it is what it is.
As you saw, Yeah, that ap article just our video would.
Speaker 3: Just went up. I saw that yesterday.
Speaker 6: But let's just play this briefly because I think this
is actually kind of edifying, especially for the online Orthodox,
as here we've done. Matt, you were on the conversation
I had with we had with Luigi Ben Luigi and
uh and Cleve Cleve Cleave to Antiquity where we talked
about the author O movement, and certainly this is. This
is the attacks I find are interesting because you could
expect the attacks from Roman Catholics and Protestants right like
that seems to be normal like that, you kind of
expect that. But there's also attacks from within the church,
which I find interesting to put to put it.
Speaker 3: Modely, there's some sound if you're wanted to play.
Speaker 6: I don't know if we can do much about that, unfortunately,
is from X we can. I can only boosts to much.
Speaker 4: There's no sound at all.
Speaker 6: There's no sound at all. Okay, we'll fix that. But
it's the essentially essentially what the what the what the
article is talking about is people coming to the church
from from online sources.
Speaker 4: While you're fixing that, I actually had something I was
gonna say it was related to that.
Speaker 3: Oh yep, no, go ahead.
Speaker 4: The you were the one that really kind of brought
me back around to the whole like debate world, because
I that was that was what really brought me to
the church ultimately, was listening to theology debates and uh,
and I consumed all of my listening to stuff time
with that for a few years and then I kind
of burned out on it and sort of moved into
other aspects of my life, and and it was kind
of like I'd heard all of these conversations, and the
conversations weren't really getting new. It was just kind of
covering the same ground over and over again. And uh,
and so I kind of checked out on it for
a while. But Jason, you're the one who who several
months ago you said there's a lot of utility to
this because we're kind of in like a frame breaking
time where lots of people's frames are breaking, and there's
lots of minds that are sort of kind of rising
out of the haze and looking around and being like,
what what am I doing here? What's going on? Looking
and now starting to search for truth, but they don't
even really know where, and sometimes they don't even know
that they're searching for truth. They're just kind of passively
consuming content because that's what our generation does. And so
it's important that we have our guys representing our positions
in all different facets of society. So we're meeting people
wherever they are. So if people are showing up to,
you know, to some podcasts with a bunch of only
fans chicks to listen to that, but they can stumble
across the gospel there. Well, hey, great, that's where they
were spending their time, and they stumbled across the gospel there,
and then they can they can pick up that thread
and follow it along.
Speaker 2: That you might not want to exactly condemn, you know,
sitting down with like prostitutes.
Speaker 4: And indeed, right, isn't that interesting?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I see interesting.
Speaker 6: I don't know those lepers though, Those lepers kind of
creepy out. But other than that, I mean, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and in tradition of washing hands and stuff, it
gets pretty dicey.
Speaker 6: But here's something you can talk about, ja, because I mean,
because I feel that you're almost a victim of your
own success with in terms of in terms of debating,
because you've now said you're kind of done debating certain
the Roman Catholics. For example, you've done Trent Horne, You've
done a few notable Roman Catholic debates just this year,
both on Timpool and other innother locations. And it's kind
of you've kind of run that ground like once you've
exposed one thing, I'll give shine your shoes a bit.
Is I was sleeping on Vatican too. I didn't I
knew Vatican too. I knew I knew what it was
in general, but I didn't know the extent of what
Vatican To really was preaching, especially in terms of all,
you know, we're all worshiping the same God. I feel
that's a complete and total defeater for the Roman Catholics,
Like there's there's no way, there's no way back out
of that, because there's because they have no other authority
other than the pope. So they're kind of stuck in
this in their in their rigid hiretical structure. It's like, well,
and as you just did with the trand Horn video
recently where he trend horns, is like, what is His
comment was, ah, everything remind me. It's a everything that's
is irrefutable as obvious or something to that effect. And
it's like this complete and total circular argument that the
RCS find themselves in. And I feel this is this
is this is like the under underskirting of why people
are are leaving those churches and coming to Orthodoxy because
they're finding that you go there, you get the smoke machines,
you get the bridge over troubled water or John Len's
imagine or this bad theology, and they can't get out
of it, Like the no, there's no escape other than orthodoxy.
Orthodoxy becomes at the golden paratry for there.
Speaker 7: Well, the thing to point out first is that it's
extremely historically ignorant.
Speaker 3: To say that debate is bad.
Speaker 7: I mean, the Church father is extensively debated all the time.
They debated their opponents across the board, whether they were atheists, pagans,
whether they were historians, whether they were anophicite, you know,
whether they were schismatics. Like, debates are a massive portion
of these patristic writings up here, and not everybody was
a bishop that engaged in these debates. So you know,
there's nothing inherently wrong with debate. Proverbs talks about debating
our cause with our neighbor. There's many places in the
Wisdom of syrac There's many places in the dourocanonical text
that talks about the advantage of debating, hashing out issues,
et cetera. So it's a lot of ignorance I think
that would lead somebody to say that debate is inherently bad.
And probably for a lot of people that comes from
a place of kind of insecurity or they feel like
they don't have that. You know, it's just there's going
to be haters if you're talented as something. I don't
really care that much about debate. Honestly, it's not my
favorite thing to do. I will do it. It's enjoyable
at times. It does get old. So certainly it's not
the you know, essence of the faith, it's not what
it's all about. But it isn't necessary to have people
out here defending the position. And it surprises me that
more Orthodoxed people were not, you know, when I started
doing this kind of stuff, that more people weren't doing it,
because you know, if you know the other positions very well,
like Protestants, bor Catholicism or Islam, they're not that hard
to debate or to argue against.
Speaker 3: So it does work. It is effective. Everybody can see
that now.
Speaker 7: And it also is not necessary to always be putting
on a nice face or to put on a pretenses,
you know, especially if that's not who you really are.
Some people are actually made to be aggressive, to be
agro if you look at the Book of Acts, Saint
Paul debates daily in the synagogues against the Jews, trying
to prove that the Messiah is Christ from the scriptures.
So there's nothing inherently wrong with debating. It's all throughout
the scriptures, so it speaks i think more too, in
insecurities or deficiencies, and the people who would question it
if you're really you know, deep into the patristic and
theological context of the you know, first thousand years of Christianity,
like it's it would be just preposterous to say that
debating is somehow bad.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 7: But beyond that also, yeah, I mean it's just one
tool of one arena in one area. It's a signpost.
It's not the essence of what Orthotristianity.
Speaker 3: Is by far.
Speaker 2: I'd like to add another potential again, vector of why
people might be supposed to debates. One is general nicety,
you know, because we've lost Christianity as as the foundation
of civilization. Now we have niceties, we who we have,
you know, good manners, and that's about it. And debates
can get quite rowdy. I think that's one of them.
And maybe the whole fear of inter religious you know,
strife and violence. Maybe that. But I think also a
very important one for America is this very Protestant e
view of you know, converting people, you know, Matthew is
the phrase earlier. You know, Jesus converts people. We don't
convert people. I haven't converted a single person in my life.
That's true. But we're also not monogists. And I call
it tachical monogism when you know, I ascribe, you know,
whatever I do, right though, that's just God doing it.
But then you use excuses for the things you're maybe
not so fond of admitting. But it's not about just
being academic. There are different troubles that people face, depending
on the time of their life, the area they're from,
et cetera, et cetera. Sometimes it's intellectual boundaries that keep
you know, you have to deal with this scientific theory
or this historic you know, explanation doesn't really work out
as far as you know, so you need intellectual input
in order to you know, do away with that. But
sometimes obviously it's just spiritual. It's just that you're trying
to make excuses for sin. It's not that simple, and
that monogism, tactical monogism, you know, jumps in when you
don't feel like doing something, they say, well, you know,
I leave it up to God. I will pray for you,
you know, in a smiley face. I think those things
are combined because I remember back in high school we
had a shift in teachers. We had this thing once
a week you would pick either to go to religious
studies for a class, or civic civics or a class
once a week. And we got this woman who was
who had a master's in philosophy and specifically, you know,
went for Orthodox studies. Great woman, you know, very humble,
you know, the type who had no jewelry, no nothing,
but she was very, very nice. And with me in
class was this fellow who was in the same grade
who got into the whole new atheist and both of
us being teenagers at the time, you know, he got
very roud, not in any inappropriate sense, but in the
argumentative sense. And you know, me, as a fellow classmate,
I did nothing, nothing, and he would just say, well
why does this What he said, I think, well, why
is the mark of cane black skin or something like that,
because he heard that online obviously, so at one point
I snap and I start arguing with it. And obviously
his arguments were rubbish. So that wasn't a big achievement
for me, but it showed that her timidity, especially as
a woman extraordinarily appropriate on her own, But then you
also need someone to be more aggressive at aetain point,
because again demons are very multifaceted and will get at
any angle. You know, try to make you more timid,
try to make you more aggressive, try to make you
more argumentative, whatever it takes for you to fumble. So
we also as as members of the church, need to
have different talents utilized. Some are just diplomatic, others more
you know, again, argumentative, And there's a place for it.
There is no single singular approach, and it's not also
shouting at people to to you know, repent and accept
Christ did did did? What do you think you're doing?
You know, that's part of you know, Jesus combats You
just throw like a hand grenade there and you know,
if it explodes, Jesus, who'd done it? So I think
those are also the factors that play into the whole
way of thinking, well.
Speaker 6: I think we've we've been we've been cursed with since
you know, is a sort of idea of Jesus meeking
mild right, So you have almost to Christ being debated.
I I I broke it down to saying, like a
lot of people worship Bob Christ. You know, they they
they venerate Bob Christ or Moyshi Christ. You know, Bob
Christ is a heck of a guy. He's super nice, lovely,
got to have over dinner. He's going to bring the
fish and the wine, and you know, God bless him.
But he's not Christ. He's not He's not truly Jesus.
And this seems to be permitting through most of the
prostant churches or the or the non denominat dominational yeada
YadA YadA churches in the West, and that seems to
be what's dying out here in Australia. Like present of
my parish just bought an Anglican church that basically I
had no had no attendees. That's happening across Australia, and
Australia was an Anglican country for a very long time,
very long time, and it's dying out, like there's just
nobody left to go to these churches. In fact, when
my uh when they were looking into buying churches down
here for our parish, it was like they're like, which
Anglican church would you Like, there's many on offer, right,
So it's it's this is happening. It's not just conjecture
on the internet. A lot of these churches are dying out,
and but yet the faithful people who want to have
a connection to to to christian or to Christianity or religion,
that's not dying out. In fact, that's getting stronger. So
the this is kind of where we get to. You know,
if we were doing it to say that the debate
is wrong, then my patron Saint Saint Elijah. The problet
Elijah is wrong is he basically he torched people who
are who are leading the country astray what we were
I think people are not dealing with on some levels.
How late it is in the game. You know, I
always finished every stream office, which is it's with the
quote from Father Serve and Rose, it's later than you think.
It's much later than we think. Like this whole Western
civilizational let's say global Homi secular state is collapsing in
real time and it's up to us or who's listened
to this, to get on it now. Like this is
not there's no more waiting game left. This is happening.
And if your state has basically been controlled by demons,
which is pretty obvious, then it's on us to do something,
and if we don't do anything, then that's also on us.
Speaker 2: You know. I work for Andrew Andrew Wilson, and he
in a debate called someone a snake, and I talked
to him afterwards and they said, you know, that's not
very christ like Jesus called people densus. He was nicer
than Jesus, if you can imagine it. And then especially
one of my favorite things is the whole Elijah episode
with the prophets of ve just mogging them.
Speaker 4: And after he them and after the fire came down
from heaven consumed the sacrifices. I think a lot of
people don't read the rest of that passage because then
Elijah and the people took them down and Elijah slaughtered
all of them, literally killed them all.
Speaker 2: He does that a bit. Yeah, And can I say
fire of heaven isn't actual fire. It's lightning lightning here,
So yeah, it's not a pillar of fire. There are
pillars of fire, it's just not fire of heaven. That
you can see how someone gets from lightning to calling
it fire of heaven. You know, not many leaps and
bounds to understanding the phraseology. But yeah, like Saint Elijah
and even Saint Elijah at one point falters right and says,
God just can't take this anymore because his whole people
basically have fallen into such depths of depravity and didn't
worship that even he couldn't handle it. And he was
in the desert, so he wasn't, you know, in the
very midst we have to understand that he again, he
wasn't spegging out, was doing his job very well. Actually,
But I I hate just the whole nicety. Now we
shouldn't take well. Jesus called people vipus, so I get
to say, you know, get to go full Shimunian on them.
That's that's all. That's the other extreme of things. But
that it's not just your mother.
Speaker 3: Was doing with the Shia, your son of the devil.
Speaker 2: I can't help find that funny. I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: Let's deal with Sam for a second. And Sam armored ancelor.
Speaker 4: He's clean.
Speaker 7: Nas all are welcome, ladies and orbs. It's orbs as well.
Speaker 6: It's just you seem to having this bring it back
to you, Jay for a second. You seem to have
this effect right this. I think there's a Trent Horn
effect as well. Where and again the victim of your
own success in terms of debate, where you debate these
these gentlemen and you destroy them and and you destroy
their worldview so so concisely that they go crazy to
the point where they're starting to starting to see orbs.
Let's get let's get to the Sam Shuman situation a
little bit. But I feel that it's it's this is
indicative of these half in, half out Orthodox people. I
don't like the accusations of you're not true Christian Orthodox,
et cetera. What I don't I don't have the authority
to say that. And I also don't I think that's
that's sort of around even more than fed in certain
in certain circles. But it does seem to be a
thing right where. I mean, we just had the recent
U remind me of his name. Uh, there was just
that scandal with prophets Red Vaughan right right where Red
Vaughn comes in. He he says he's gonna be Orthodox, uh,
and then of course you know, goes off his own way.
Right There's I think we're gonna start seeing more and
more of that as as you know, this is sort
of a fair father, Sir from Rose Point of the
Orthodoxy in the religion in the future. But as we're
moving into this period where Orthodoxy becomes more clickable in
some ways. In one way, it's good. It's going to
bring people to the church, which is great, but it's
also going to bring in a lot of people who
maybe don't belong. And I hate to say that, because
it's not so much that Orthodoxy isn't for you, It
just maybe that Orthodoxy isn't for you yet, And that
seems to be a big sticking point that.
Speaker 3: Will happen now. It's a great point, and we've seen
that a lot.
Speaker 7: It happened to me in two thousand and seven when
I almost came in and went through the catechumen it,
but I wasn't ready to become Orthodox yet, so I
had a lot of you know, tonistic and even still
probably perhaps Augustani and Calvinistic baggage back then that I
just didn't understand how to rework it and retool the
whole system and make it work. And even right now
we see Latinizing people who are young converts that are
kind of in the same position I was in back
in two thousand and seven, And you know, it takes
a long time to work through a lot of these issues.
Even if you spend a lot of time writing theology.
So even somebody like myself that put a lot in
a lot of time in my twenties into that, like
it was still you know, taking me a lot of
time to work through. And also it's not all intellectual.
It's also beyond just the books and the figuring it out.
There's a lot of personal growth maturation that you love
to go through. You have to go through some hard times,
You got to go through people dying, You got to
go through stuff that happens as you get older. That
also is part of I think becoming Orthodox, as I'm sure.
Speaker 3: You guys could relate.
Speaker 7: So we will unfortunately see people who you know, come in,
they get fascinated, they see a fad, a trend, and
then they you know, go to the liturgy, they have
a bad experience with the priest, you know, something like that,
and then.
Speaker 3: They decide it's bad. That kind of stuff is going
to happen.
Speaker 7: There's going to be people who just you know, don't
want to do it, or feel like they've been sold
a bad you know, a lemon.
Speaker 3: You know, there's all kinds of possibilities here.
Speaker 7: But overall, I think still you know, the majority of
the people that that tend to move in the into
the direction of worthodox you tend to be pretty serious.
I think the great thing about Orthodoxy is that also
it's pretty good at filtering out bad apples because you know,
it takes time.
Speaker 3: You can't just like a Southern Baptist.
Speaker 7: Walk down the aisle and you know, Billy Graham hands
you pieces of pizza and you say the Center's prayer
and you're saved. Right, Like, it's a lot more of
a serious thing. So there's a pretty good filtering mechanism
for phonies. And you know, but there will be people,
like you said, who trickle out to run Catholicism or
trickle out to whatever heresy.
Speaker 2: There's also a general point to be made about nascent
movements in general. Again, if you have something that's starting out,
so in the US, for a long time, Orthodoxy was
something that was done by immigrants right from Orthodox country,
so then you would start to get the trick right.
And again, any movement will start with people who are
very serious about it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: You can think of political ideologies, you can think of
you know, social movements or something like that. But before
it's popular, people will join it because they believe it.
But then it starts gaining steam and gaining momentum, and
as it continues to do so, that's when people who
are there to grift on it start getting in, you know,
people who have their own ambitions, they start getting in.
But then also there's another level of hurdles that arises
when it becomes so popular. Then that again people come
in by osmosis and aren't really serious about the whole thing.
It's just the thing to do. That's that was a
huge problem when the new atheists came up. You know,
you're Christian, I suppose, so you know, you don't know
anything about it. You haven't really thought about it, haven't
investigated anything. You just kind of are because that's what
people do. And then when you get challenged, you're on
very weak footing. And I think that part of the
reason why Orthodoxy is growing well in the US is
that we're still pretty much in Maybe the Grifti's come in,
but it's still pretty young in terms of converting people
to be prepared. You can't have this level of debate
that JA engages in, especially with the general public it's
not for everyone. Some topics maybe you know, for certain
segments of populations, and then you know, hey, I get
the point about you know, Vatican too, I get the
point about, you know, faith versus works and stuff. But
comprehensiveness is something you can only have the luxury of
having in the early stages. Once it grows, it will
stop being so so well, you know, defined and protected,
So be prepared for that. And that's also again, demons
will use any single opportunity. If you remember the sorry
with Saint Anthony the Great, you know, a demon saying,
you know, you can't outfast me because ident' eat, you
can't have more vigil than me because I don't sleep.
You know what was it? But one thing you beat
me at is you know you don't have pride, which
was a trap basically to get him to be proud.
So anything, anything, even great success in your spiritual advances,
will be used. Let alone, like your intellectual querries, you know,
your spiritual journey in it's more nation form. Just be
aware that it's not just a simple schema that undergoes
you know, and you have your little notebook and you
can check everything and now you're good. Now the demons
don't have any way to get.
Speaker 4: There's another layer to this as well, that is, I
don't think it's going away anytime soon. The introduction of
digital space and social media and the sort of ongoing
twenty four to seven social engagement world that you know,
once upon a time we just you just have physical space,
and when you go interact with someone, it typically you're
like intentionally going out of your way to go to
a physical place where a bunch of people are gathered,
and then obvious physical constraints, there's limits to the number
of people that can be there, and that colors the
shape of the sorts of social interactions and the growth
and organic emergence of movements and stuff. Now having a
having this digital real estate, we can also engage in
that is in many ways it's much more democratized, so
you can get way more people who suddenly show up
in some kind of weird niche space than than than before.
That creates a whole new set of opportunities and challenges.
Speaker 6: Well, it's something that you, Matt, you and I have
talked about quite often with AI and I know there's
some prominent thinkers in the Orthox space space that are
diligiently against AI. And I can understand why, right, I
think the people who are designing all of this stuff
are full of demons. However, we can't stop it from
being developed, we can't stop it from being proliferated, we
can't stop it from being out in the public. What
we can do, however, is inject Christ into it as
much as possible, and not just any Christ. We're talking
about Jesus Christ. We're not talking about Bob or Moyschy Christ.
We're talking about Jesus Christ and an Orthodox perspective. This
gets us to what I've been starting to push for people.
One is to is to all the prodigal son to return,
repent and rebuild or redeem. The other the other being
as a correllary to the vengeful son, the other being
the full spectrum Orthodox dominance, full spectrum Orthodox dominance. And
that doesn't mean pushing it down people's throats. That means
bringing that that that that level of separation from six
degrees down to two degrees, where everyone in your family
is has some Orthodox people in there that are going
to people's houses and seeing some icons on the on
the on the on the wall. You know, people have
their prayer, prayer ropes. It's the coutrement, right. There was
someone who said, I think that maybe have been uh,
it might have been Saint Uh. I'm blanking on the name.
But whoever said it is that Orthodoxy is the most
materialistic church in some ways we have the most stuff,
Like it's all about the things, but it's not the
things that are that are in here important. But in
a materialistic world. I just saw a video clip on
thing on TikTok where some young girls like talking about
get all your Orthodox stuff right, get your icon, get
you this, get you that. I'm like, yeah, well, hey,
if that works, it works. Like we're I think we're
past the point of being per clutching about who's using
which icon or how they're us you know, obviously how
they're using it in the in the and the let's say,
the intentions behind it are important, but getting it out
there in the public where where everyone is seeing it
is a powerful marketing tool. And we have to be
part of the twenty first century. It's it's no good
thinking that we're somewhere in the in the in the
in the second century, second in the second century, and
we're dealing with the second century problems. We're in the
twenty first century and we and we better start acting
like it, which brings us to it, brings us to
guys like Jay Dyer, Jay Dyer, Andrew Wilson. Uh, you
know other prominent members who are shaking things up. We're
rattling trees who are upsetting people. But it's like, yeah,
it's twenty first century. It's an upsetting world. Like you
have what what's the disturbing number? We saw about two
interesting quotes. One that's something like three out of five
women in America have only fan accounts.
Speaker 2: Or right, but anything about only fans, how much they earn,
and how many are on there? I think, is there
to be a trap well that for you to for
other women the thing? Oh so this is much more
viable and popular than I thought.
Speaker 7: Jayo muted, Well, the real study is where they did
a period had study to show that three of those
five accounts are almost always Pasha's soccer accounts.
Speaker 3: I mean, possibly wearing a fuck.
Speaker 8: Do you think I'm sexy? Do you think I'm lovely?
Come on, baby, let me know. Just raking it in lads.
Sorry to all the lives I've destroyed, but hey, it's
it's that's the way.
Speaker 6: Hey, you know those curtains, those those Serbian curtains are
not sheep folks. It's there you go.
Speaker 4: The other ones are are are Indian guys from running
AI accounts.
Speaker 2: I love you very much. They're so masculine accounts. Remember
the masculine that turned out to be from India. I
think if someone knows the game, it's the Indian bro.
Speaker 4: Those guys can griff like no one else.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm apologizing for the thought. I always have to
make sure I don't go full bulk. And Jason, I
talked to you.
Speaker 6: I gave you the green lights. You know, Hey, if
this is if this is our, if this is our
a Swan song on YouTube, let it be the Swan song.
Let's go, let's go out. Listen. It's blazing Halo glory.
Speaker 2: Regular family discussions in Serbia are sed posting online. So
I always have to keep myself.
Speaker 6: Apparently you are both voice maxing and looks maxing posh.
So that's sad. When he says it about me, you know,
he's telling on he's telling on himself, really.
Speaker 2: Right, So okay, but we didn't go back to Sam
shamoon I, I don't think he's a FED.
Speaker 3: Uh, he's too he's too unhinged to be a FED.
He has to be like a rovocateur or something if
he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he doesn't have this to ability to be
a FED, even in the capacity of a provocateur, because
there's just no continuity other than being very angry at people.
And I think that's much more easily ascribed to him
being Assyrian than to being a plant.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Orb maxing is having the chat or maxing.
Speaker 2: With all maxing. Just to be clear that that's a
very popular thing in like paraanormal activity circles like wolves
and just just bloody clean the plates. It's basic lighting
and dust part so as someone who loves watching or.
Speaker 3: Maybe ghosts are just dusty, maybe they don't clean up.
Speaker 2: Maybe the maybe it's the ghosts who couldst platonism and
later with his orbs and circle being perfect and it's.
Speaker 3: All black ghosts and there.
Speaker 6: You ashy was just ashy the.
Speaker 2: N word ghosts. Wait wait, wait, we can make.
Speaker 6: Bypop just ashy. Why don't why don't you get your
cast by ass and some lotion to see if you
can clear that up all of a sudden you go
for white ghost to a black ghost. I can see
you at night.
Speaker 4: Who invited Jasmine Crockett Jason. I think that there's a
problem with this panel. I think that you. I think
that you rigged it. I think you.
Speaker 2: I think you.
Speaker 4: I think you, uh, you tilted the fields.
Speaker 3: Not enough people that think I'm fed or what.
Speaker 7: Yeah, somebody's gonna have to take the pro fed side,
and I'll take I'll take the prof.
Speaker 3: Prove I'm a fed.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, Jay, Here's here's here I got. Actually,
I have proof already already set up. Obviously, you are
doing the work of the Apple Juice community and the
Juice Consortium. If you don't want to talking.
Speaker 7: About soda, cokes, pepsis, all that stuff that is just
pure death juice, man get rid of that.
Speaker 3: You need to stop drinking all that right away.
Speaker 7: And a lot of people are addicted to those things.
And the easiest way to stop that addiction, people say,
is to start drinking things like Perier, and that will
wean you off of the sort of addiction that you
might have just to your palette being tickled by the bubbles.
Don't do this right anymore. Start winging yourself off of that.
Totally get rid of cokes. There's no reason at all
to drink.
Speaker 3: High fructose coke syrup. I mean, it's just now.
Speaker 7: First of all, it's not even it doesn't taste good.
It's just all mad science creation, made in a lab stuff.
Speaker 3: None of that is real food drink the science soda
I see.
Speaker 6: Obviously, Jay, uh. First of all, that's just that's the
case against that's anti mega matt that's some deep cuts
against your entire brand. That's some anti Maga centemons. That
means die Coke's off the table. We're not gonna hear
any of that, sir. Second of all, obviously, Jay, you're
you're working for that. You're working for the Fruit Juice,
the Fruit, the Juice Consortium, the juice, the juice. I
work for the Jews, work for the juice. Obviously you're
getting money from the juice to fight. So yeah, London
obviously is full of juice. People.
Speaker 7: Come on, big Big Juice is battling against Nazi big soda.
Speaker 4: This is glaring anti chad behavior.
Speaker 9: Fighting against Fanta fascists.
Speaker 5: Mid the orange ish, the gorgeoush It's like it's it
tastes like orange, but isn't it orange.
Speaker 6: It's amazing, isn't it. Yeah, it's a little bit of
Orange Julip. I come from the city of Orange julip
where there's a big giant orange in the middle of
the city. And these we sell these, we sell these
orange milkshakes. Orange milkshakes. Sure, yeah, it gives you, it
gives you special visions.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, Doctor Pepper contributed to the work of
doctor Mangelo.
Speaker 3: They work together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Mangola cribbed most of his stuff of Dr Pepper. Craig, Wait, wait, wait,
is this that type of science started in America? And
the gems are like, who is that? That sounds very intriguing?
Speaker 4: Am I being treated to fake news here? Or is
this is this real? You didn't get doctor Pepper? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I know. I was wondering if Doctor Pepper was actually
a reference to an actual guy he was named after
him or something, you know, like like, uh, I grew
up Seventh Day Adventists and uh so Kellogg's doctor Hardy.
Speaker 6: He got hit in their head with our big, really
really big spiritual rock, so.
Speaker 4: In the nose, in the nose, got hit in the
nose of the rock and started having visions. I grew up,
like you know, eating corn flakes and stuff, and then
I learned that that doctor Kellogg invented corn flakes because
he wanted young boys to stop masturbating and he thought
the bacon and eggs were making him too horny.
Speaker 6: The boy from Ever, the boys from Brio, that's what
we're we're basically investigating, and the boys from Brio coming
over and just the Italian Brio boys, uh making in
roads into into communities. Let's talk about that for a second.
Let's let's talk about the the infiltration of ideology into
the church. Because one thing that you know, Buck Johnson
the money, but the money Buck Johnson, Buck the stuff
Johnson his head is that uh, orthodoxy is the is
the is a dialectic destroyer that you bring these ideologies
were based on these dialectics into the church and basically
it eradicates them. Father T. Qualls that said something very
very similar. This seems to be the consternation where you know,
some of the early attacks, the BBC attacks on Father
Moses McPherson, Buck Johnson, Father John Whiteford. Was this inclusion
now there another trying to attack on multiple levels? Right
where were infiltrated by Russian spies and were anti Semits,
anti Semits and all the all the evil white things,
right this. Uh, but yet when you're inside of the church,
you understand how it kind of destroys these ideologies from
the inside out because you can't have you can't you
can't hold a dialectical structure within within the within the church,
within the true Church. It doesn't It just doesn't work.
So any thoughts on that, gentleman, The the the external
tacks of So I can understand somewhat from a materialistic
point of viewpoint how for example, there's glass ceilings for
women in the church. They can't become priests, they can't think,
there's there's there's certain things they can't do. There's taboos.
Of course, the church stands on homosexuality or on lust
in general. Uh, you know, the idea that that the
the Orthodox churches is the true Israel seems to fly
in the face of certain certain groups. Any thoughts on that?
So this content sort of continued external attack, which I
also think is driving people to the church in a
in a weird way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there are right and wrong.
Speaker 7: There are situations at times where you have to take
a true versus false.
Speaker 3: Position, but there's also false dialectics.
Speaker 7: Both things exist, so fALS electics like are you with
the Zionists or with Hamas right?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 7: Do you believe in faith or you believe in works?
Do you believe in grace? You believe in law? Do
you believe in tradition or you believe in the Bible.
A lot of what Americans, Evangelicals, Protestants you know, are
faced with is a lot of dialectics. And even Roman
Catholics who those kinds of issues do a little bit
better than the Protestant Evangelicals, even they still got kind
of get caught up in some of the wealth. God's
absolutely simple. He can't be you know, there can't be energies.
So that's also another kind of dialectic of absolute simplicity
in God versus real multiplicity, that kind of stuff. So,
I mean, there's always the potentiality for dialectics, even amongst
more sophisticated Roman Catholic people. But for the majority of
American kind of you know, evangelical minded people, it's just
sad that so many things, even to the point of
the fake two party left right, Democrat Republican system ealectics.
Speaker 3: So people you know that.
Speaker 7: Are having that whole boomer mind matrix of the false
dialectics collapse, are then starting to think, hey, wait a minute,
maybe there's options that I'm not even familiar with that
aren't Protestant or Papists.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's something orthodox that's unique.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Same Maximus says.
Speaker 7: That, you know, ever since the Fall, we've kind of
been caught up in dialectics to speak metaphysically, and then
ultimately Christianity then resolves a lot of these dialectics through
the trinity being you know, one and many, through there
being synergy and harmony between church and state ideally not
a battle. You know, man and women complement each other.
They're not enemies. We're not feminists versus anti feminists. We're
true patriarchy where the you know, genders have true synthesis.
So yeah, just down the list, right, I mean, it
just constantly dissolves these false dilectrics.
Speaker 4: You can see a lot of the even the based
politics guys themselves wind up just kind of being a
continuation of this dialectic thinking because they they they think
that to be base is just to take the opposite
of whatever the Libs think exactly. And so then you
wind up becoming a dogmatic anti Zionist, you become a
dogmatic anti Semite or a dogmatic anti black or anti
woman or whatever, and you just assume you just create
kind of like a negative liberalism, which is which is
itself just a reflection of liberalism. You're still operating within
that same frame.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so much of the diffident right exactly fell into that,
especially back to the twenty sixteen seventeen alt right era,
people just fell into this, like to the point where
they started moving more and more towards progressivism. Oh, let's
have ubi, let's adopt what was that guy's name, You'll.
Speaker 4: Chain your Yang Andrew Yang Yang.
Speaker 3: Yang Yang's socialism and all. It just got so stupid.
Speaker 7: Yeah, let's and let's even consider oh maybe actually, uh,
what's the California guy. Maybe he's based seguso avenusom, I
mean just retarded stuff like what like well, I think
there's there's there's this gay pro you know, Skittles abortion
guy gonna be based it's just retarded. So but that's
the dissonant, right, like you said, just fell into this.
I'll oppose anything for the sake of opposing it, and
it just becomes nothing. So there's no that's just that's
the problem with the Nietzschean right too, right, the Nietzschean
ride ends up just kind of being leftist.
Speaker 6: Well, so part of my work has been talking about
like sort of the liberal frame. This comes from father Serve,
from his work in nism uh, and it's extension of
that where people kind of think liberalism is just the
left or just this, you know, libertarianism or picker group.
I see it as one big giant frame that contains
all these ideologies because they all come they all reduced
down to nominalism individualism. Uh, you know, let's say post
Enlightenment thinking in one way, shape or form. There's different
levers to it. So some some ideologies turn up the
crank on on certain aspects and dead and others, but
they all fall in the same frame and that frame
and this is sort of also parallel thinking to Dougan,
that's the frame you got to break so in order
to think outside of it. It's it's a it's a
major extraction because you realize that your entire reality that
you've grown up with in the West is a false reality.
It's this liberal reality that it's nothing personal. You can
you can choose to be whatever you want as long
as it's liberal. This is why all world governments kind
of look the same, right outside of a few notable exceptions,
and even then, like they're kind of in service that
Saudi Arabia is in servius service of the liberal liberal frame.
It's not like, yes, they have a monarchy, but you know,
come on, right.
Speaker 2: So when you can get traditionally Islamic to hold a
nazela concert, and I think that's.
Speaker 6: Peak or or w or WWE events. As long as
wood are fully covered, right, they're in skin tight skin suits.
As long as they're in skin tight skin suits in
cat suits, they're fine. They can perform. It's just don't
bear a shoulder. That's that's that's a. That's a.
Speaker 4: It was weird when I was in I was in
Turkey around twenty years ago or so, and it was
kind of surreal going around traveling around the country and
seeing how frequently I would see women wearing both full
complete head coverings, including just the slit for the eyes,
with a mini skirt. It was it was like, what's
happening here?
Speaker 3: Like America during COVID.
Speaker 4: That's true. It was a foreshadowing.
Speaker 2: I think Turkey is number one in terms of the
number of sexual partners people have. So Turkey has never.
Speaker 6: Been cousins because they're fine with that.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, they're not as bad as certain other ones,
but they're bad. But Turkey isn't really that and never
has been very traditionally Islamic because they were too powerful
to actually be restrained.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: So you have these people, you know, these moms coming
from Arabia, well you know, you really you know a
lot of them have just mustaches, and like in Sunni
Islam you're supposed to shave off the mustache and just
have a beard. You can have a very very thin mustache,
and a lot of them just had mustaches. And they're like, Okay,
you go and tell the Saltan that and good luck
because you're you're probably not coming back. So that's the
thing with Turkey. But but honestly, the house has sold
a lot of these Gulf countries. They're not trad It's
very difficult to be very trad and just extraordinarily wealth.
That that was the case with a lot of monarchies
in Europe as well. But I think we again the
dichotomies we spoke about earlier. A lot of them stem
from the fact that what is conservative or thought of
as conservative in the West is modernism, and then liberalism
is postmodernists. That's how I see it, right, So think
about you know, discussing the Bible and exegesis. You know,
postmderns say, well, you can never know what it was
means really, and then the modern is the conservative position.
There's no no, you just know it. You just look
at them and you know what it means. That's it.
Because we are so far gone from traditional Christian thinking
that we are left with two modern ways of thinking.
And I think that's why the discourse is so low level.
And I'm not sure how it will be fixed or
if it will be fixed. That's not mine to say.
But honestly, if you're thinking for one single source of
why things are so low level, it's because it's all modern.
And modernism is not about thought. It's just about spinning
around your presuppositions into whatever you think needs to be done.
It's very like like communists that they don't believe in truth.
It's only materialism, you know, So what you can be
the biggest capitalist ever. As long as you just go
after the revolution, the methodology might be in question. The
t loss, especially like the Fabians and such people. They
don't care that you're going to sacrifice people. They're materialists,
they're full materialists. They don't care about life or death.
What matters is the religious truth that you have this
progression of historic materialism. I think that's a term that
goes towards this utopia. And they will do anything, not
just gulags. They will become what's called in the Labor Party,
you know the Blue Labor and the Tony Blairs, who
were one of the most radical people who have ever
occupied the position of Prime Minister Britain. But he managed
to come off as a moderate. So he has done
the worst things. He established the Supreme Court. You think here,
British Supreme Court. That's the thing from I think two
thousand and nine. But if you think, oh, it's Britain
and Supreme Court, that must be hundreds of years ol. No, no, no.
So if he destroys everything, bloods of the country with immigrants,
h makes up you know it. Pig's breakfast of British politics.
And he's still seen as two right wing for the
Labor Party. This is howies were.
Speaker 3: Hey, Jason is I'm gonna have to go ahead and
check out.
Speaker 6: I appreciate him. Yeah, no, absolutely, man, I appreciate you man.
Thanks so much for Jay. Anyone last last thoughts on conclusion.
Speaker 3: I'm a FED, so I.
Speaker 4: Am hopefully your welfare.
Speaker 7: Even I have exposed that I'm a FED, and I
oppose me now, so.
Speaker 2: Profess is for your father, Confessor, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: He's officially on the Peterfield pay roll for but pay
you can put me on your payroll by sending your
money over to stream labs and PayPal. I appreciate you, Jay,
thanks so much for you got so much. We'll have
you get We'll have you on again. Okay, gentlemen, now
there's three, so.
Speaker 4: Let's have a lord I had. I had a couple
of thoughts that that that Togh kicked up here, I'm
sort of related. First thought is, uh, so you're you're
talking about how Tony Blair is like he casts himself
as a conservative, but in reality he's he's actually extremely progressive,
in a revolutionary in a certain sense. And then, uh,
I remember when the when the realization struck me here
in the States back. This was probably in twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen, something like that. That this is when the whole
like conservative liberal, the whole thing was starting to break
down for me, and I realized that the the the
Lib's response to Trump was actually a conservative disgust response
when he showed up. It was it was our institutions,
all the all the progress that we've made, we need
to we need to try to conserve all of this,
We need to protect it from the barbarian at the gates.
And he's going to roll back all of our norms
and all of our institutions and all that sort of thing.
And so you have these people who who recoil at
the suggestion of the recoil at the visage of a conservative,
but then they themselves are performatively playing the role of
conservative in the current dialectic.
Speaker 2: Yes, you see, but that's not I don't see that
as conservative. I understand what you mean, like the Discuss
response like that, but that's Jordan Peterson thinking like people
are disgusted at many things, like the most progressive person
is disgusted by things, mostly by normal things. But a
Discuss response is an immune response. Immune all immunological response. Right,
So whatever threatens your system is what you're going to be.
You will revile that. And for conservatives that's going to
be one thing. For liberals another thing for progressive completely.
You know a third thing. I have a working theory
called the triple horseshoe theory. You might it's very short
to explain, but my thesis is you have the three
daughters of the French Revolution, liberalism, fascism, and socialism. And
you will hear, for example, the horseshoe theory usually coming
from liberals like libertarians slash liberals, that type of liberal
who will tell you, well, you go to the left,
you go to the right, you get to the same thing.
And I think that's because the operative principle is individualism
and liberty and that type of thing. So the other
two seem like the same thing too, But the same
thing goes for the other two. If you're a socialist,
you see both liberals and fascists, as you know non egalitarians,
so they might as well be the same thing, and
they will conflate. For the fascists, you see both the
liberals and the socialist as these are the generates who
are coming to destroy our heritage and our people and
stuff like that. And I don't mean that in a
healthy traditionalist way. I mean that in a revolutionary ideological
way that fascists think, because fascism is like a modernistic traditionalism.
So I rejected as nonsense.
Speaker 6: Todd Well fashion fascist fascism. Fascists are just socialists who
want to hold on to hierarchy, like yeah, yeah, for
some form of hierarchy.
Speaker 2: Most of them will literally reconvalescent, you know, socialists like
Mussolini themselves socialist, and they realize, oh, this doesn't work,
so let's try to tweak it. But they get to
that point like I again, I'm not a I'm not
a git in the sense that I don't have the
depth to understand that fascism isn't a synonym for authoritarianism.
It's a natural ideology in and of itself, so that
people switch to that also have the famous MOUs what
is it called pivot to the right? Right, same thing right.
Speaker 6: All liberalism breaks down to everything coming out of the
liberal frame. This is this is why a substantiate the
liberal frame, containing all the ideologies, libertarianism, all the rest
of it. What they're in denial of some some some
ideologies are annihil of it, and some others lead into it.
Is the force doctrine, there's something that Andrew Wilson talks about. Right,
you need force to a substantiate these ideas because it's
because it is not reality. It is not reality. People
will naturally associate themselves with reality without any other pressure
other than like, well, obviously this meant that, you know,
men and women like each other. Men and women want
to be with each other. Therefore men and women should
be with each other. You don't, you don't need authorities
forcing you to be around around you know, if you're
a young man, you want to be around around young women.
It's it's a weird thing that happens, right, So it's right, well, yeah,
there are there are things that that people can do
to dissuade you from that prospect. But you know, you
get what I'm saying, right, Natural things happen naturally. The
natural order begets natural order, it demands it, even the
sense of justice, which I think is coming to a
head now. This is this is kind of similar I've
talked about with the eventual son, the problem, the vengeful son.
The spirit of this new age is that it's going
to feel good. And what people are going to code
vengeance for, They're going to code vengeance as justice. The
problem is they don't. They don't have the breaks or
the discernment in the culture to understand what justice is.
So now just you know, hanging hanging people by the
by lamp posts. Who you know, we can we can look,
we can go down the list and go, yeah, these
people ought to have justice. Uh, when we get into
the true situation code quote here on YouTube, there are
many people who deserve to have a great deal of
justice delivered on to them. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna.
I'm not gonna shy away from that. However, where do
you stop? That becomes a question, right, and we since
we've lost the discernment of where to stop, it becomes
all against all, very very quickly.
Speaker 2: And there that that's a playground for the demonic right,
the sense of we have to deliver justice because as
you said, where to stop, because it usually doesn't just
not stop, it tends to intensify and society. But just
to be clear on a couple of things, we don't
have the idea of natural law in Orthodoxy. That's a
Catholic Aristotle, you know, influenced thing. So we don't approach
natural law in that sense. But we have the idea
of justice and justice etymological. I did a whole stream
on it. Justice is order, and what how you perceive
order is going to be reliant on your metaphysics, on
your religion. So if you have something like a Greco
Roman system, you know, a nobleman coming over and just
kicking a slave in the face, that's just because that's
the order of things. He is ontologically superior to the
to the slave. You know, they believe in this aristocratic
ontology and that ties into their entire metaphysical system. Same
thing we would see in India even today, although you know,
lessened a bit, but still very active the caste system. Right,
the untouchables are untouchables by virtue of the comic circle.
So you have this whole metaphysics informing what your idea
of order is and what justice is. Now, for justice
is so that therefore tied to the truth, and the
truth is Christ. So that's how we should form our
idea of justice. Right, whatever you do to another person,
you do to Christ. That is what he says, not
what I say. Not some you know, deep philosophical you know, extrapolation.
He says, what you do to the least of these
to me, you know, you fed me, you given me drink,
et cetera, et cetera, because they're made in his image.
That's a metaphysical reality and onto logical. So the justice
we we we lack right now is because there's no
metaphysics mm hmm. There's just ideological presuppositions and that's it.
And that that just spins in a circle. And you know,
damn any uh you know objection to it because it's obvious,
it's self evidence.
Speaker 6: That's I'm sorry, mad I'm gonna kick this over to
you for a second because I want you to explain,
to turn the other cheek for a second, and then
whatever you want else you want to talk about it.
But the that's why I say that the core I've
done I did a mini series and early last year
we're talking about civilizational destroyers. Right things that cia civilizational killers.
One is individualism, but the grandfather of all civilizational killers
is nominalism. With the reduction of everything down to the
material and and component parts. Is a civilizational destroyer. Now
it makes sense that was developed by a mercantile navy,
UH civilization, the British UH back in the sixteen hundreds.
It makes sense to produce every from their perspective, to
reduce everything down to material parts, because that's what you're
what you're selling, right, You're you You've you've made your
entire culture a mercantile culture. So now if you want
to build rubber boots, well you need to go to
places where there was rubber, extract the rubber, produce the rubber,
bring to factory, produce the producer boots, put on a market,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You're breaking all these
things down to it's almost atomic uh materia. But when
you extend that into the into metaphysical categories and you
assume them, suddenly you get modern day scientism, which is
evolution and all these other things. You're stuck with what
is and now you have to reverse engineer what is
into what it could be in terms of component parts. Well,
it doesn't work because that's why you get dinosaurs have
feathers now, because you could think, well, now the new
claim is, well, chickens were dinosaurs, therefore dinosaurs must have
feathers because because freaking chickens, right, And that's where you
lose people.
Speaker 10: It's the bones, because you can tell because of the bones.
It's stupid and and it fools you until you do
the most rudimentary And this is what the whole point
of this whole series friend or Fed was about, is
questioning your priors. The moment you question one prior and
pull one little thread, the entire stack collapses. And that
is what is terrifying people.
Speaker 6: I understand why that is. We're not just attacking an
idea or a concept or a person or a tightly
held belief you might have about something. We're attacking entire
world views. And I've been through this. It's not freaking
fun to realize not just you're wrong about an opinion
or a fact or a thing, No, you're wrong about reality.
And to have that reality cascade happened to you. For
most people is basically are you're basically attacking their family,
and they will fight you as if you're you know,
you're you're punching Grandma at the table like it's it's
it's that visceral. So I I I get why why
these conversations aren't popular, but what they need to happen,
and they need to happen on an individual basis and
in family groups and around a coffee hour. You need
to attack all these held these health traditions, because if
you think it's just left and right or you know, uh, Democrat, Republican,
you're not getting it. You're in the frame. You've got
to break the frame. And the only way to break
the frame is understand that your ideas of individualism, nominalism,
your whole concept of reality is askew. It's not reality.
Speaker 2: Western civilization is just virtualism. That's what we're being to someone,
even someone like Tucker Carls, Right, that's what he keeps saying.
Mm hmmm, Uh, that's not true. First of all, I
keep saying, like communism is a Western idea, Communism Marxism, right,
It's antecedents come from France, and then Marx sort of
creates this successful branding procedure. But it's it's not an
Eastern thing. Engles wasn't wasn't Russian, neither was Marx. Uh,
you can get it, but it's funded.
Speaker 4: Why there was mm hmm. There was just this spot
that I had a while back that I'm part of
this isn't original. A lot of people have made this
observation that liberalism is is a derivative of of Christianity.
It's like a hallowed out derivative of Christianity, where it's
it's wanting to retain the it's wanting to retain the superstructure,
but it has taken out the heart of it because
and what it's done is it's taken the personhood of
Christ and replaced it with the individual. This abstract conception
of a hypothetical individual that every single time you hear,
like a libertarian or something talk about the rights of
an individual, they're not talking about the rights of of
of that individual. They're talking about the rights of the
abstract individual.
Speaker 2: The ethereal individual.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And so this is why it it's kind
of ironic that the almost like paradoxical that the more
the more, the deeper and deeper into materialism that that
we've we've dived as a as a as a civilization,
the more abstracted and decontextualized and atomized we've become.
Speaker 2: Because that's the only option, right, Yeah, you can't if
you're going to assimilate, you have to release the strictions.
Speaker 4: Right, right, And if you don't have and if you
don't have the person who have Christ, if you lose
that concept of personhood by removing Christ from it, then
you necessarily don't have an incarnated worldview. Your your worldview
by definition, cannot be incarnated. It's incoherent, it will not cohere.
And so then you start chasing yourself around in circles
and you get these debates conservative versus progressive that are
ultimately just kind of there is no coherence to them
because you don't you're not, they're not. Neither one is
grounded in anything. They're they're they're they're trying to to
uh like invent themselves in real time.
Speaker 2: It's like a checkpoint in video games. Right, We've got
to this particular point with these particular conclusions. So we
have a save game now, so we can only go
back to that.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's how I think of it at least. Uh.
And you you cannot question any of those things because
those are the evident self evidence. And when we talk
about individualism, there is no such thing because there's no
such concept. As you said, it's an ethereal individual, but
all of us are products of our time. That's also
how you know, part of how we see theosis, Right,
you were affected by it Ontologically, you're affected by participating
in the energies of either God or the demons. Right,
that changes you. And in different settings you are, you know,
exposed to different levels of either and obviously God knows
how to you know, factor in your ignorance and everything.
So that's that's a whole separate issue. But would I
be myself fifty years ago had I been born fifty
years ago? No, No, because I changed anything, you wouldn't
be you, right, Right, you can change so things that
are much less impactful, rather than you know, me having
access to all of the books and stuff I found
on the Internet that here in survey I just couldn't find. Right,
all the languages I have been able to learn is
because I had the Internet. Right. So the music you
listened to a couple of days ago, we had a
stream and on Garrett Dawn's channel, And I said, the
only way even the richest person in the world a
couple of hundred years ago but listened to like classical
music was to have this giant orchestra of highly trained,
expensively equipped, and highly coordinated people would perform it for you.
So it would happen every once in a while for
even the richest person. And I can just go and
tap a couple of times on my my phone screen
and there you go. It's blastom into my ears. Right,
that's part of what forms you. What music you listen
to really really forms what films you watch, what content
you consume on a regular basis intellecture also what forms
you you have. You have communists from from from history.
If they had never heard of Marx, they wouldn't have
been Marxists.
Speaker 6: It's interesting, especially from the from the from the Isteran
European school, like for example, you know Chopin. It's not
as a Valkan in Poland, but as he's Chopin is
like a national hero, right mean Choppins.
Speaker 2: Chopins like like chopping.
Speaker 6: Yeah, broccoli, bloody, bloody poles. But to your point, most
polls have have never heard I mean, now maybe modern pores,
but quatrical they wouldn't have well, list.
Speaker 2: That ends list right from France, list from Hungary right,
et cetera. And obviously Russians have lots of big ones.
But again when you think about things with bark, lots
of people would have heard his like pieces for the organ, right,
because it would have played in church, but even then
pretty much localized to where he was. Because he didn't
his works didn't become famous until after his death. So
then people will say, oh, but this is a civilization
of produced X Y, and say, okay, but how many
people will participants in that exact thing. How much is
it the chicken? How much is it the a? The
same thing with intellectual products. Right, I've heard so many
bloody Englishman say things like England never gave birth to
a tyrant, and you're like, interesting theory. I think there's
this Cromwell guy, you know, I'm not sure if you've
heard of him.
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, there's the entire British imperial system.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's that's not top tyranny. That's just
you know, the product of its time.
Speaker 6: Really, you know, I mean, yeah, that's that's the interesting
thing that we talked about for for the last almost
two years, I've been talking about the the city of
London and the involvement. That's even the the idea that
Matt and I've floated out that the American Empire hasn't
even started and when you look at like things like
Sofur and America just basically reclaiming the control of its
own currency for the first time.
Speaker 3: It's entire history history.
Speaker 6: These I ideas of there being this global American empire
kind of fade away, right, It's formally you have this thing.
It's certainly the military wing of the of the global Alliance,
but it's it's exactly, but it's not the controlling branch
of it. And now we're starting to see in me
this is somebody we can talk about with you, Posh,
since you're out there. I mean Europe is is we
just now had reports that the the EU did the
the to the dumb thing. Now they have frozen Russian assets.
Speaker 11: They both has been cast. The vote has been cast.
They changed the rulings so that they didn't have to
have a unanimous rule. Yeah, the vote has been cast,
and they have now.
Speaker 6: Definitely frozen Russian assets and euroclear and in European banks, which.
Speaker 2: I know. I just if the Russians are gone and say, shoot.
Speaker 6: Well, not only of that. Here's here's the craziest thing
is that not just of course, the Russian response is
gonna be lawsuits and international rules based orders now and
the windows. We watch the big the big, big response,
Paush is We're waiting to see is how China, Saudi Arabia,
and India are gonna respond, because I guarantee you, if
you are any country that might be on the outs
of our being have been slandered by the European Union
in the last oh no, five minutes, you're gonna pull
your money out. And so now the European Union is
going to go bankrupt incredibly fast. This is something I've
been tracking, We've I've been talking about since last year.
We've been tracking the bond markets in Japan. Uh and
now they're they're in they're in the death Now somebody
saying we're going to break international the international rules based order.
We're gonna break it now, and still blame Trump and
all the rest of them for what they're doing in Venezuela,
which to me is like what what Trump and them
are doing in Venezuela are peanuts? Like literally like what
are you talking?
Speaker 2: It's we're talking that it's nothing compared to what's happening
in Europe.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: So there's one country that was very opposed to the
whole thing, called Belgium, probably because they'll get the ship
for it, right, the euroclear thing, Oh dear so, But
we have expert people like Ursula vonder Leon who as
a Defense Minister of Germany wanted to have their armored
vehicles up to a regulation to be able to be
operated by pregnant. So we're dealing with top tier strategic thinking.
Oh high, Oh yeah, it's just the peak of European thought.
As they said, Kayak Calas and Mark Rutter and all
these people like them as pathetic bunch. You can imagine
for the I don't know, for those of you who
are in the chat and maybe not following politics that much,
you know what it's like when an American president reaches
like thirty five percent approval rating, and it's like seeing
as they see you as the devil. Meanwhile, people like
Starma and Macrown and Mats Okay, not Mats, he's in
the twenties, but Starmer and Macarena in the low teens
of approval ratings. So we see you are falling apart. Basically,
they have no energy. They can import some from America.
All the things promised about the weapons they're not even
reduced yet. So all the things they're buying to give
Ukraine aren't coming. They will come in maybe a couple
of years.
Speaker 6: Good luck with that.
Speaker 2: But it's such such a such a ridiculous thing we're
dealing with, and it's because the entire ideological system is
will crumble if Russia gets an obvious win, because all
the people in power have wasted such billions upon billions
of euros, pounds or whichever currency they might be using
on this project, and you lost. So your entire face
is like, it's we the West, We are the keepers
of peace and justice across the world and everything. And
then this Petrol State sorry gas station you know with
you feed you.
Speaker 6: Really and is now and is now the most powerful
military in the world.
Speaker 2: Yes, because you forced them to be.
Speaker 6: I know, and I know Americans don't like hearing this
when I bring this up, and Matt, I'm gonna kick
it to you for a second because I know you're
you're the Trump standing in the room, and I've been
very clear about this. I'm I'm generally speaking ambivalent because
my position is being in a Canadian living in Australia,
no one wants to hear them about me on domestic policy.
But when we talk about about geopolitics, I can weigh
in the the the stunning effects of this, and I
know Matt, you and I listened to the same people.
I think this is coordinated because if you're if if,
if Europe, or the the bank of the Sea of London,
whatever spooky, wooky group you want to call it, right,
is the enemy that that is, that is on the
front lines being defeated. What they're being defeated. They literally
just defeated themselves, the the the I don't think people
understand the extent of this Euroclear decision. This Euroclear decision
is is worse than the bombs dropped on here, Nagasaki,
in Hiroshima. This is an economic death knel for Europe.
It's brutal. I'm still trying to process how e f
and stupid this is because it's basically saying to the
rest of the world, you cannot trust us rules based
international rules based order.
Speaker 2: By yeah, can I shortly say before Matt gets in,
the entire project is born out of desperation. As I said,
they don't have any other option if they want to
stay in power for at least a bit longer. Their
position is barely better than the Lenskaps because they will
look fools at the end of Someone asked me earlier
to say the great no gand of the gray fool
you not. I'm just saying what was repressed, And then
Russia just passed like.
Speaker 7: No, no.
Speaker 2: What they'll get from that is you said, Russia is right,
so sorry, and Europe is gandal trying to defend the
little hobbits is But as you said, it's a massive
financial blunder coming from a region of the world that
has intentionally de industrialized, leaving itself mostly to services and finances.
Speaker 6: It's Volkswagen Volk just close their plant in Dresden for
the first time. I think, I think right. It was
established by I've been tracking. I honestly thought that the
bond market collapse would happen. I knew it was going
to happen in a sorry, Matt, We'll kick to you
right right after this. Uh, eventually we should just we
should just do this, posh. You and I just just
traded Matt.
Speaker 2: Eventually, Matt will get