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celestis still your wives, incredible Kingston's and sestual potatoes for

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funerals and garments, a bulletproof our brain's ourmedium space wives.

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Speaker 2: Ten thousand new lives.

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Speaker 1: Pass through those space guys. We are the most tighest

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moments space wives making Marma space. I don't listen to

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the space christ I'm the god.

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Speaker 2: Of fifty space wife leaders.

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Speaker 1: Scull and bones Cia on the telephone, the farmland.

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Speaker 3: We bought it all.

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Speaker 1: Cover ups, delectable, hambling, walking free.

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Speaker 2: We're planning.

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Speaker 1: I bumblebees, post talk out reasoning come number eight.

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Speaker 3: We need another queen.

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Speaker 4: Mama spaces.

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Speaker 1: Ten thousand you las passed through those space guys. We

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are the most size moment space space.

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Speaker 2: Don't listen to the space Cris.

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Speaker 5: I'm the god of fifty space words. Ladies and gentlemen

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and ams monsieur has, brothers and sisters, comrades and fellow journeymen.

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Welcome to the final friend or fed the finale.

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Speaker 6: We have come full circle. We have broken the meta.

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Ladies and gentlemen. I'll tell you the story in a second,

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but thank you to Pash redneck Jay Dyer and Matt Erickson,

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who are joining us today to answer the most important

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question on the Internet today. Is Jay Dyer a friend

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or a FED? Now to clarify some terms here, friend,

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of course means he's someone who's been benefiting humanity in

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the mineral, who's working, whose contributions have extended conversations, have

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elevated humanity in some way, shape or form, or who

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was just a darn nice human being. And of course

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a FED is a dirty schmuck, someone who is doing

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the work of the all the evil people, whether they're

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on the payroll or off the payroll, because it has

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Matt Erickson once stamuless he said, you don't have to

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be on the payroll to do the work of the FED. Now,

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interesting story, and this is why this is the finale

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of this series. This whole concept of Fender Fed started

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in a Matt Erickson Kingpill discord conversation with a super

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fan of Jay Dyer who once claimed that Jay Dyer

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is a FED based on Matt Erickson's statement that you

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don't have to be in the payroll to be a FED.

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And I was part of that conversation. When I heard that,

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I was like, well, heck, if Jay Dyer can be

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a FED, then anybody could make anybody could be a FED.

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and off we went down that road. So now that

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we have Jay Dyer, the topic is Jay Dyre friend

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we have broken the metal. We have come full circle.

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I feel like we have completed the journey of the

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of the of the series. And thank you, gentlemen for

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being part of this historic Internet moment.

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Speaker 7: Uh, you're saying the person, You're saying the person was

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a hater and now is a fan.

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Speaker 6: I don't believe he's a fan Jay. I mean, we'd

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have to ask him. But I I was trying to

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understand you.

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Speaker 7: Said he's not he's the way it was worded, I

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didn't understand.

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Speaker 6: What did you say? Sorry? Uh, as someone who who

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was not a fan of yours was part of that

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conversation on mass mass discord, I Matt, you you know

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the gentleman I'm speaking of. We won't have to name names,

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but I doubt he's come. He's come full he's come

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had a Jay Dire moment. Perhaps, I mean maybe this

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was Maybe this show will cure him of it.

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Speaker 3: What's the evidence on FAID?

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Speaker 7: I always want to know because a lot of people

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like to everybody calls, everybody said, so what where's what's

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the evidence?

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Speaker 6: Well? This is so, this is this is part of

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the series, right. The series is kind of playing with

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that kind of concept where everyone gets called a fed.

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is that because you don't be on the payroll to

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in some ways, in shape or form, doing the work

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of the FED by exposing by by your attacks on

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by exposing let's say conspiracy theories, or doing some of

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the other work that somehow is actually feeding, actually doing

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the the the work of the FED, even though you

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may may or may not be on the payroll. So

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what happens with most people is they they decide that

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sort of a justification for why he's not just a

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big meani head. It's not just a personal thing. It's

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actually he's he's you know, big, uber bad guy in general,

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whether it's he's turning people away or you know, contra

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all the evidence, or he's distracting you with these conspiracies

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and stuff that don't matter, whatever sort of weird thing

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they come up with. But I think it really comes

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don't know, and I and I and so I stopped

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listening for a little bit. And then my dad, who

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one who doesn't like people who are combative, he was like,

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you need to listen to this Jay Dier guy. And

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I was like, all right, well, I guess I'll listen

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to him war, and after listening to I don't know

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five hundred hours worth of Jay Dyer, I realized that

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he is actually extraordinarily patient. He is extraordinarily accommodating because

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he has had these same conversations a million times and

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he's willing to still sit there and go through all

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of them and is which is a great service to

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the rest of us for not having to do it.

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Speaker 7: Well, appreciate it's actually peaking a little bit. It's actually

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Speaker 3: So no, it's not it's destined. Excuse me, it's not.

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Speaker 6: It's actually a well we all know that Tampa looks

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kind of like Dr Matt. Your your volume is peaking

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a little bit. If you wanted me to turn it

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into your gain, yeah, we'll play with your levels a

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Speaker 2: So I know Jay, you know. He and I communicate

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by relying on big pink beds on our bellies and

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talk of the landlines and listen to night core versions

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of twenty ten's White Girl Music, which is the highest

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form of quinonia. For all of this orthodox so I

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have not felt, you know, a FED vibe from it.

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Speaker 6: Of course, posh, that calls in question of you're a FED,

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because I mean, what we've been has been called in

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a question by by a gentleman like Joe Wilson Don

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Bacon in Austin, scott when they signed a letter to

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Pam BONDI accusing, accusing, making me the accusation that's a Russian.

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There's a Russian agents inside Rokor and other Slavonic churches

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within the United States. Hey, you know, we might all

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be Feds in some way, shape or form. We might

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be or at least agents. Maybe we should call it me.

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Speaker 2: There's food the fools for the Lord, you know, and

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the fools for Christ and Feds for Christ's Christ.

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Speaker 3: And there's also fools for FEDS that work for the FEDS.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Not not really high on the canonization priorities.

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Speaker 6: But ladies and gentlemen, if you want to send your

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super chats in and vote for a friend for a

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friend or FED. If we want to vote for Jay

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Diary being a friend or a FED, five dollars votes

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will get counted, will taler them up and I will

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read them out at the end of the show.

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Speaker 7: Well, I guess if you know, if the government is

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saying that we're potentially all Russian agents, that means that

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I'm not a that's a good argument against me being

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a US FED.

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Speaker 6: Right, we could be you could be a double agent though.

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Speaker 7: That you're not an agent, right, Like, no matter what

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you present, there's no proof because any anything that's counter

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evidence just means that you're working for the other side

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or double agent. So it's sort of a it's an

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unfalsifiable accusation that were you know, you're you work for

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the for the government.

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Speaker 4: And it's also kind of a when did you stop

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beating your wife sort of it too, because if you

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tried to defend yourself and say, no, I'm not a FED,

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well that's what effect.

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Speaker 3: Why you defend yourself. You must be a FED, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, only the real Messiah would deny his true python.

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Speaker 6: Here's so let's run down your your list of critics here, Jay,

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it was just over the last year my short list

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and anyone can add to this. It is Sam Schmoun

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of the ORBS, Trent Horne. The members of the true

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priest and Brother Nathaniel. An interesting thing about Brother Nathaniel

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is that we don't have to really worry about him

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so much anymore. Sorry, let me just do this. We

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he's removed himself now from ro Corps. Let me just

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on X for the Nathaniel says, to my letter to

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ro Corps bishops, you've all been you have all forced

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the ro Corps flock on December tenth, twenty five and

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to sharing the same cup with b. P. Saba the Antiochians,

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who says the heretical monophys Monophysios Mentophysiates share the same

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phase as Orthodox Christians. This is aposesey. Thus, in honor

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of the Holy Martyr Patriarch Flavian, who is beaten to

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death by the Monophysiates by the Rubber Council, I can

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no longer stay in the humanist, uncompromised Church of ro

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cor I am now with faithful bishops and priests who

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are loyal to the Orthodox Faith. My monastic tonsures stays

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intact by social media postings against Jews on x and

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my videos on Rumble continue and my street evangelism stays strong.

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There's nothing you can do to me plan as you

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may as heads of the Sandhidrian. All you need to do,

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all you need to know is the Lord of Jesus

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Christ is Holy Mother and the Patriarch Flavian are protecting

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me from your evil plans. You have no authority over me,

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as I am a faithful Orthodox Christian and follow the

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Lord Jesus Christ and the EXCU medical councils. I formally

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leave Rocort today. Monk Nathaniel aka Brother Nathaniel, Well.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting.

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Speaker 7: It's interesting that he doesn't say who his bishops are

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or who he's underneath, so who knows if that's even

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the case. But I mean, far more damaging than what

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he thinks of me or anyone else is the fact

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that he says in his tweets there's no such thing

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as thiosis.

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Speaker 2: Let me read that. There's no theosis taught in the Bible,

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just simple everyday things like helping others out, but.

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Speaker 7: Litched out preshypnotized underlings with slogans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's proper rubbish.

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Speaker 7: Like imagine monastics for twenty years monasticism and you don't

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know Orthodox theology one on one. I mean to me

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that says actually loon that you know, that's all the point.

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Speaker 6: He wears like he wears like three crosses on it

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on himself when he's doing his videos. Someone pointed that out.

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He's wearing like, you know, two or three crosses constantly.

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Speaker 7: It's like mission obviously clown a long time ago. I

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don't I've never understood why anybody follows.

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Speaker 2: Like, well, have you heard his song, his cover of

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adaptation of Rings of Fire about hell and homosexuality, Because

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if you haven't, I'll send it to you and you

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will understand white people followed white people what white people

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followed him? It is, I'll send you the song. You

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will you will know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: He seems to doing the Spear of the Age thing,

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which is blame the Jews for everything, right, blame Jews

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and blame Israel, and by blaming them, give them all

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the power, which is something that Matt, Matt and you,

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you and I have talked about exhaustively, which is like,

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why are you getting if you believe that Israel's this

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evil power? Da da da da da, why do you

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keep giving them power constantly? Like it's it's it's at

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some point becomes like Jew and me, and it's it's

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getting a little disturbing.

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I'm there's nowhere I hear more about Jews

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than the all the from all the people who can't

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stand them. And I'm not, I'm no great fan of Jews,

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but I'm like, I'm I'm, I'm I'm so un fond

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of them that I just don't want to hear about them.

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I don't want to. I don't want to be inundated

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with this just constantly every day. And I think that's

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probably why Brother Nathaniel picked up the audience that he did,

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by and large. And if you if you characterize yourself

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that way, if that's your brand, you were to get

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locked into that brand and you get audience captured bad.

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who had this hobby horse and who knows whether it

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was a sincere approach or not, whether we actually believed

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in it, or he's just trying to gin up engagement.

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Speaker 6: Way right now.

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Speaker 4: And it's it's like Jason saying, it's just like reverse

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worship of your when you scapegoat them, you're also that's

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a form of worshiping them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a level at which you start

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ascribing too much power to one thing. And obviously there's

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a FED element that is there to constantly compromise your

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ability to rationally talk about you know, Jewish actors. You know,

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like the recent thing with the purchase of TikTok and paramount.

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You know, that's something you can actually critique. But if

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you just scream, you know, Jews in the media, Jews

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in the media, there's no place for rational thought. And

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Jane knows this person Kurt Metzker, he describes it as,

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you know, being like a human thought, and you're there

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to ruin the actual ability by stinking to talk about things,

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by stinking everything up. And I think that's obviously people

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can legitimately crash into that and start only talking about Jews,

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and I think you're missing out many vectors that are

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very prevalent. But that's a Fed option, a Schitzo option.

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And to me, what Brother Nathaniel did there seems like

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he was looking for an excuse to get out of

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the canonical boundaries of Orthodoxy. And you know, well, you made.

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Speaker 7: I don't even think he was, though I don't. I mean,

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there's already been several road Course statements and bishop statements

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over the years that we don't really recommend or recognize

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this guys. The road Course says something like maybe six

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eight months ago about him and sort of dismissed him.

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So I've never nobody's ever really, nobody's ever really understood

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like what or where his uh monastery is, And you

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can't really be a monk without being under some uh,

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you know, headship.

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Speaker 6: Well, to my to my knowledge, he was still being

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accepted by he had he had been part of Roll Corps,

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left Ro Corps, been or been tossed out of Roll Corps,

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and came back in at some point. But to your point,

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he's being recognized or what monastery's attached to. Uh. It

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seems to be kind of a misnomer. But he's been

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one of your more vocal critics the other But from

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reading this tweet, it seems like he's he's we'll see

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what happens, but it seems like he's he's joining up

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with Archbishop Greg with a true Horsewox group, and now

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that that's also another group that's been a highly bit

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highly critically good Jay, and I'm sort of digging into

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its I was just part of your I'm it's part

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of a voice group over on your discord. I'm talking

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to someone who had found themselves participating with the true

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Orthodox group and he understands they're schismatic and he's trying to,

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you know, pull himself away out of that to be

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part of a bigger conversation. This is sort of the

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danger right now that I see because Orthodoxy is growing, right.

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Orthodoxy's certainly is getting headlines. I've got we've got clips

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and video clips we can play of people coming into

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the church and the church expanding as people are being

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brought in. However, they're not necessarily understanding of what different

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schismatic groups because they put they throw Orthodoxy on there

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and everyone goes, well, it's an Orthodox church. It's near me.

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I was going to go to that Orthodox church. So

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maybe we can talk a little bit about who are

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these true Orthodox guys? Because I was completely in the

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dark of this until about mid year, where I saw

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some of them were attacking you. I'm like, way, what

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is what is going on and then had to investigate

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it from from that perspective. But if someone just is

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shopping around for churches, they see Orthodox, they go to

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Orthodox church, uh, and then they find out they're they're

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too late, that they're a part of schismatic uh, false

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false church. Who's not who's not receiving the true true communion?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's a it's kind of like the

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Orthodox version of steat of Acantism. If you're a Roman

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Catholic and uh, you know, it's really not worth giving

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a whole lot of time and attention to these kinds

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of groups. Something I've learned over several years is the

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more attention and sort of response he gives a lot

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of these groups, it sort of feeds into it, and

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they feel themselves to be really self important, when in reality,

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this is a very minuscule, tiny, tiny fraction of people.

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Speaker 3: It's not a real movement.

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Speaker 7: They talk about having a synod and then they'll put

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up pictures on the Internet of one guy who's dead

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and another guy who was the synod, you know, so

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it's like it's like trailer parks, five people here and there.

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It's not real synods. A lot of mentally unstable people,

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a lot of people who are a schizophrenic literally, a

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lot of people who are sort of spurgy, and they

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recognize that there's real issues with ecumenism and the assumption

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the solution is I'll go start my own parallel ecclesiastical structure.

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But that's where you get into schism. And with the

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church fathers, we don't typically see that there's or one.

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There's procedures to win there's problems in the church, you

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don't just immediately, sort of in a reactionary way, try

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to set up your own jurisdiction or try to get

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ordained and create your own thing. That's exactly what the

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set of a contested with what's called wandering bishops or

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the episcope i vgantes. And if you get into that,

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if you study the history of that, whether it's all Catholics,

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whether it's Anglicans, whether it's set of a contest Roman Catholics,

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or whether it's these fake branches of Orthodoxy, you'll find

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that that's rife with actual.

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Speaker 3: Feds, spooks and kooks. So it's a wonder.

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Speaker 7: It's a world of as I said, wandering bishops that's

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not even worth people spending in their time in.

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Speaker 2: I would like to say something. So we had this

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schismatic bishop not too long ago Serbia. He's dead now,

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but he split over the was it twenty to fifteen

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Cyprus Synod like some type of ecumenical gathering, and he

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got rather upset about that same thing as true Orthodox

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like that type of thinking. But since I'm from Serbia

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and I am privy to a lot of Internet conversations,

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you might not have this yet, God willing it will

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come by that I mean, Orthodox will spread to a

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lot of people and some of them will just go

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via osmosis. But people develop all sorts of theories, you know.

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One was that it's an act of apostasy to have

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a four part choir because you should only have one

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voice singing and it should only be men. So if

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you have a four part choir, you're not really worshiping God.

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a lot of people from cradle Orthodox countries we are

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very attuned to that type of apostasy because people who

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go more liberal, they tend to just you know, not

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and take anything seriously. The ones who take everything seriously,

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and by seriously it means schizophrenically and with no ability

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to discern anything. Just rigidity, like a pharasaic rigidity. And

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I tell them, just slap of philaxury on your head.

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You know you're halfway there already. You know, people are

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attuned to that type of behavior. But that's what you get.

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We had that here. Then obviously the bishop dies and

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everyone scatters, basically because it is the same thing with Protestantism.

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You know, you have very charismatic as the moment he dies,

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everything that was apart because it's not actually the church.

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It's just you know, demons like to pry both into

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liberal and conservative impulses and you know, try to bend

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them any way they can into splintering the church and

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causing it.

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Speaker 3: Half Pharisees and said, you sees.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jesus focuses on the Pharisees. Everyone talks about,

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Oh you see, he doesn't criticize the liberal No, he

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focuses on the Pharisees because they're closer to the truth.

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But then you know he corrects them, and the Sudduces

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are just out there winging it. You deny everything except

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the pentitoke, no after life, no resurrection and nothing. So

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they're just so far out that there's barely any reason

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to talk to them, but the paracies are close enough

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that you can modify it at least try to get

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them to understand.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, it's an interesting thing that God just brought

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up in a recent conversation, is that the technically the

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Pharisees didn't do anything wrong, like in terms of how

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they were addressing the letter of the law. However, they

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were missing the entire point. Like it's like, yes, okay, fine,

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you're you're doing all the things, but you're doing it

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you're doing an empty service. So it doesn't matter that

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you're doing the things, you're doing it with the wrong spirit,

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betweing it with the wrong intention.

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Speaker 2: Therefore, Jesus says, you have the power to loosen, bind,

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you know, but you only ever bind and never loosen.

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So you keep just putting on these regulations upon regulations,

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and ultimately that power is taken from them, given to

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the apostles, and you know, the whole Seat of Moses thing,

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and well that's lovely ecclesiastical stuff.

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Speaker 4: I can't get over the notion of four part harmony

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being like some sort of degenerate jacobo music.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you might as well have dubstep.

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Speaker 4: Scrillis in the Temple Man.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I did some digging. I think I understand maybe

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why some of the attacks on Jay Dars happened.

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Speaker 7: Remember, a lot of people that are in the Orthodox world,

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they're also on meds. And I'm being one hundred percent serious,

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like there are people that are on SSRIs.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the people in the Orthodox.

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Speaker 7: World are unstable mentally, and it makes sense. I mean,

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the church is a hospital, so it's going to attract

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all kinds of people that need help. But even in

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the monastic world too, there are people who have mental

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problems in the monastic world. So people need to be

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aware of this that when you go to the Orthodox Church,

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it is a haven, it's a refuge, it's a hospital

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for sinners. But there's gonna be crazy people. There's gonna

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be people at your church that are literally on meds

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and insane. There's gonna be people that try to fight you.

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There's gonna be able to punch you in the face

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if you're me.

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Speaker 6: So maybe we can speak to this because you obviously

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you listed strong responses, Jay, and part of this whole

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Orthobro movement that's been decried from let's say from the

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Greece and others as well, and has been sort of

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a consternation in certain Orthodox circles. I can understand why

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in terms of some of the some of the worst

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representatives of Orthodox you are on x and some social media,

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to the point where you can question if they're actually

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Orthodox or if they're actually have gone through some sort

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of strict catechism. But I think there's another aspect of it,

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which is which is you're getting to the point and

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you're and you're hitting them hard, and you're doing the

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work that many of the many people think they ought

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to be doing because you're bringing more people into the

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church one way or the other.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 6: It is certainly through debate where I've been off and

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on on on the status of debate. However, it's it's

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just one avenue, right, It's one thing that brings people in,

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and if it brings people in, it brings people in.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 6: We're here to set the table where don't convert people.

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Christ does that, but we can set the table, and

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you've been extremely effective at setting that table. So I'm

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wondering if maybe you can speak on this from a

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personal level, if some of that strong responses to you

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is both just the adversary in general working through people,

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but also that sense of pride because when we get

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into like liberalda priest and all the rest of it,

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we won't have to name names, but they seem to

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be reacting to you strongly, almost because you're doing the

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thing that they can't do, or they've been not as

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effective of doing as you have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably all the above would be my guess.

470
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Speaker 7: I mean that comment on that livestream is actually directed

471
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not so much at clergy or people that I've had

472
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,279
issues with. It was more so with a laity and

473
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people that I've encountered and people that have been kind

474
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of continuous online harassers.

475
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Speaker 3: That was really about those people.

476
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Speaker 7: For example, there was an individual who constantly harassed for

477
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about five years, and then it turned out that he

478
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:47,519
admitted that he was schizophrenic and that he was no

479
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:50,480
longer in the church. Who knows if he even was,

480
00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:53,240
So you know, you've got that. You get these people

481
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,319
who you know, do this kind of stuff. They get

482
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,799
these fixations because of whatever reasons. They feel slighted from

483
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:05,000
a debate. They feel like they're justified because they think

484
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:09,799
I'm too mean or whatever. And then and Also, you know,

485
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:13,160
if you got people that that in America's especially, a

486
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,440
lot of people are on SSRIs and so they're unstable people.

487
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: That's prescribed way, you know, too much in my view.

488
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 7: So a lot of these people who are addicted to

489
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,200
these things and they're on psychotopic drugs, they're in the church,

490
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:32,640
they have other issues going on. You know, it's it's

491
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,359
just part of I guess, Western living. So you're gonna

492
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,680
have those kinds of people, which didn't have anything really

493
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,279
to do with what I was talking about with clergy.

494
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:42,680
That was totally separate stuff. But in regards to clergy,

495
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:47,359
probably they feel like they get put in difficult positions

496
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,440
because a lot of the stuff that we've dealt with

497
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:55,480
has been pretty high tier Ruman, Catholic, Muslim, Protestant theological issues,

498
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,839
and some of them are pretty difficult. So if you're

499
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not well studied theology and you get people coming to

500
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,119
the church and they've got a lot of theology.

501
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: Questions, that puts you in a weird position.

502
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 7: Then you're forced to say, well, you know, oh well

503
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:10,559
Jay Dyer said this is this, and then you have

504
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:12,400
to say, well blah blah blah blah blah, don't listen

505
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,559
to people on the internet. Well, if I shouldn't, I

506
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:16,119
don't listen to people on the internet, then I wouldn't

507
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:17,000
have come to the Orthodox Church.

508
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:18,119
Speaker 3: So why are you telling me not to listen to

509
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:18,839
people on the internet.

510
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,759
Speaker 7: So it just creates odd situations that I don't think

511
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,000
anybody expected either, Like none of us expected for the

512
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:28,200
audience to grow like it did, and none of us

513
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,799
expected to be in a position just yapping on YouTube

514
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,759
to you know, focus so many people's possibilities for coming

515
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:38,880
to the Orthodox Church in terms of what they considered

516
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,799
as potentialities for their lives. It just it happened here

517
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,279
we are. I'm not sure what the best means and

518
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:47,720
methods is to handle it, but it is what it is.

519
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:50,960
As you saw, Yeah, that ap article just our video would.

520
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Speaker 3: Just went up. I saw that yesterday.

521
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:59,359
Speaker 6: But let's just play this briefly because I think this

522
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,400
is actually kind of edifying, especially for the online Orthodox,

523
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,440
as here we've done. Matt, you were on the conversation

524
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:10,799
I had with we had with Luigi Ben Luigi and

525
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,960
uh and Cleve Cleve Cleave to Antiquity where we talked

526
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about the author O movement, and certainly this is. This

527
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:23,599
is the attacks I find are interesting because you could

528
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,559
expect the attacks from Roman Catholics and Protestants right like

529
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,079
that seems to be normal like that, you kind of

530
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:32,200
expect that. But there's also attacks from within the church,

531
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which I find interesting to put to put it.

532
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Speaker 3: Modely, there's some sound if you're wanted to play.

533
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 6: I don't know if we can do much about that, unfortunately,

534
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:52,400
is from X we can. I can only boosts to much.

535
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 4: There's no sound at all.

536
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 6: There's no sound at all. Okay, we'll fix that. But

537
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,319
it's the essentially essentially what the what the what the

538
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,799
article is talking about is people coming to the church

539
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,319
from from online sources.

540
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 4: While you're fixing that, I actually had something I was

541
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,519
gonna say it was related to that.

542
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: Oh yep, no, go ahead.

543
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: The you were the one that really kind of brought

544
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,000
me back around to the whole like debate world, because

545
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,119
I that was that was what really brought me to

546
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,480
the church ultimately, was listening to theology debates and uh,

547
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:38,480
and I consumed all of my listening to stuff time

548
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,279
with that for a few years and then I kind

549
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:43,119
of burned out on it and sort of moved into

550
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,519
other aspects of my life, and and it was kind

551
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:49,799
of like I'd heard all of these conversations, and the

552
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,039
conversations weren't really getting new. It was just kind of

553
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:55,440
covering the same ground over and over again. And uh,

554
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:57,039
and so I kind of checked out on it for

555
00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:00,240
a while. But Jason, you're the one who who several

556
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:04,359
months ago you said there's a lot of utility to

557
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,359
this because we're kind of in like a frame breaking

558
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:12,319
time where lots of people's frames are breaking, and there's

559
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,680
lots of minds that are sort of kind of rising

560
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,640
out of the haze and looking around and being like,

561
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,799
what what am I doing here? What's going on? Looking

562
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,839
and now starting to search for truth, but they don't

563
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400
even really know where, and sometimes they don't even know

564
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,720
that they're searching for truth. They're just kind of passively

565
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:31,720
consuming content because that's what our generation does. And so

566
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:36,880
it's important that we have our guys representing our positions

567
00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:41,519
in all different facets of society. So we're meeting people

568
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:43,759
wherever they are. So if people are showing up to,

569
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,960
you know, to some podcasts with a bunch of only

570
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,799
fans chicks to listen to that, but they can stumble

571
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:53,160
across the gospel there. Well, hey, great, that's where they

572
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,759
were spending their time, and they stumbled across the gospel there,

573
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:57,400
and then they can they can pick up that thread

574
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and follow it along.

575
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Speaker 2: That you might not want to exactly condemn, you know,

576
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,559
sitting down with like prostitutes.

577
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 4: And indeed, right, isn't that interesting?

578
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:11,079
Speaker 6: Yeah?

579
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:12,599
Speaker 2: I see interesting.

580
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 6: I don't know those lepers though, Those lepers kind of

581
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,880
creepy out. But other than that, I mean, you.

582
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: Know, and in tradition of washing hands and stuff, it

583
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:23,799
gets pretty dicey.

584
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,119
Speaker 6: But here's something you can talk about, ja, because I mean,

585
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:28,559
because I feel that you're almost a victim of your

586
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,400
own success with in terms of in terms of debating,

587
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,200
because you've now said you're kind of done debating certain

588
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,680
the Roman Catholics. For example, you've done Trent Horne, You've

589
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,480
done a few notable Roman Catholic debates just this year,

590
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,000
both on Timpool and other innother locations. And it's kind

591
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,039
of you've kind of run that ground like once you've

592
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:50,400
exposed one thing, I'll give shine your shoes a bit.

593
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,160
Is I was sleeping on Vatican too. I didn't I

594
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:56,359
knew Vatican too. I knew I knew what it was

595
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,440
in general, but I didn't know the extent of what

596
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,440
Vatican To really was preaching, especially in terms of all,

597
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,119
you know, we're all worshiping the same God. I feel

598
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:09,880
that's a complete and total defeater for the Roman Catholics,

599
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,360
Like there's there's no way, there's no way back out

600
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,519
of that, because there's because they have no other authority

601
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,880
other than the pope. So they're kind of stuck in

602
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,239
this in their in their rigid hiretical structure. It's like, well,

603
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:24,639
and as you just did with the trand Horn video

604
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,679
recently where he trend horns, is like, what is His

605
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:36,840
comment was, ah, everything remind me. It's a everything that's

606
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,679
is irrefutable as obvious or something to that effect. And

607
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,119
it's like this complete and total circular argument that the

608
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,960
RCS find themselves in. And I feel this is this

609
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:50,239
is this is like the under underskirting of why people

610
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,239
are are leaving those churches and coming to Orthodoxy because

611
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,199
they're finding that you go there, you get the smoke machines,

612
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,519
you get the bridge over troubled water or John Len's

613
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:02,880
imagine or this bad theology, and they can't get out

614
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,079
of it, Like the no, there's no escape other than orthodoxy.

615
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,199
Orthodoxy becomes at the golden paratry for there.

616
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,079
Speaker 7: Well, the thing to point out first is that it's

617
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extremely historically ignorant.

618
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: To say that debate is bad.

619
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:21,639
Speaker 7: I mean, the Church father is extensively debated all the time.

620
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,239
They debated their opponents across the board, whether they were atheists, pagans,

621
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,920
whether they were historians, whether they were anophicite, you know,

622
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:34,920
whether they were schismatics. Like, debates are a massive portion

623
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:41,199
of these patristic writings up here, and not everybody was

624
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,920
a bishop that engaged in these debates. So you know,

625
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,559
there's nothing inherently wrong with debate. Proverbs talks about debating

626
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:51,679
our cause with our neighbor. There's many places in the

627
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,800
Wisdom of syrac There's many places in the dourocanonical text

628
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,440
that talks about the advantage of debating, hashing out issues,

629
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,559
et cetera. So it's a lot of ignorance I think

630
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,960
that would lead somebody to say that debate is inherently bad.

631
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:06,880
And probably for a lot of people that comes from

632
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,079
a place of kind of insecurity or they feel like

633
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,400
they don't have that. You know, it's just there's going

634
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,039
to be haters if you're talented as something. I don't

635
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,159
really care that much about debate. Honestly, it's not my

636
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,199
favorite thing to do. I will do it. It's enjoyable

637
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:25,519
at times. It does get old. So certainly it's not

638
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:28,920
the you know, essence of the faith, it's not what

639
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,239
it's all about. But it isn't necessary to have people

640
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,960
out here defending the position. And it surprises me that

641
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,639
more Orthodoxed people were not, you know, when I started

642
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:40,599
doing this kind of stuff, that more people weren't doing it,

643
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:44,079
because you know, if you know the other positions very well,

644
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:47,719
like Protestants, bor Catholicism or Islam, they're not that hard

645
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,719
to debate or to argue against.

646
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,039
Speaker 3: So it does work. It is effective. Everybody can see

647
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:53,480
that now.

648
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 7: And it also is not necessary to always be putting

649
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,519
on a nice face or to put on a pretenses,

650
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:03,039
you know, especially if that's not who you really are.

651
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,199
Some people are actually made to be aggressive, to be

652
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,599
agro if you look at the Book of Acts, Saint

653
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:12,199
Paul debates daily in the synagogues against the Jews, trying

654
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,440
to prove that the Messiah is Christ from the scriptures.

655
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,880
So there's nothing inherently wrong with debating. It's all throughout

656
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,159
the scriptures, so it speaks i think more too, in

657
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:27,639
insecurities or deficiencies, and the people who would question it

658
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,360
if you're really you know, deep into the patristic and

659
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,719
theological context of the you know, first thousand years of Christianity,

660
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,599
like it's it would be just preposterous to say that

661
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,039
debating is somehow bad.

662
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make any sense.

663
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:47,119
Speaker 7: But beyond that also, yeah, I mean it's just one

664
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:50,920
tool of one arena in one area. It's a signpost.

665
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,719
It's not the essence of what Orthotristianity.

666
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:54,559
Speaker 3: Is by far.

667
00:37:56,639 --> 00:38:02,519
Speaker 2: I'd like to add another potential again, vector of why

668
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:07,880
people might be supposed to debates. One is general nicety,

669
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:14,679
you know, because we've lost Christianity as as the foundation

670
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,199
of civilization. Now we have niceties, we who we have,

671
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,719
you know, good manners, and that's about it. And debates

672
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,480
can get quite rowdy. I think that's one of them.

673
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,440
And maybe the whole fear of inter religious you know,

674
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:35,599
strife and violence. Maybe that. But I think also a

675
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,960
very important one for America is this very Protestant e

676
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:46,559
view of you know, converting people, you know, Matthew is

677
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:50,760
the phrase earlier. You know, Jesus converts people. We don't

678
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,800
convert people. I haven't converted a single person in my life.

679
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,599
That's true. But we're also not monogists. And I call

680
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:05,000
it tachical monogism when you know, I ascribe, you know,

681
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,840
whatever I do, right though, that's just God doing it.

682
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,920
But then you use excuses for the things you're maybe

683
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:17,280
not so fond of admitting. But it's not about just

684
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:24,199
being academic. There are different troubles that people face, depending

685
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,679
on the time of their life, the area they're from,

686
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:31,079
et cetera, et cetera. Sometimes it's intellectual boundaries that keep

687
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:34,039
you know, you have to deal with this scientific theory

688
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:39,280
or this historic you know, explanation doesn't really work out

689
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,400
as far as you know, so you need intellectual input

690
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,679
in order to you know, do away with that. But

691
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,519
sometimes obviously it's just spiritual. It's just that you're trying

692
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:55,440
to make excuses for sin. It's not that simple, and

693
00:39:55,519 --> 00:40:00,039
that monogism, tactical monogism, you know, jumps in when you

694
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:03,239
don't feel like doing something, they say, well, you know,

695
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,800
I leave it up to God. I will pray for you,

696
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,199
you know, in a smiley face. I think those things

697
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:14,039
are combined because I remember back in high school we

698
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:19,360
had a shift in teachers. We had this thing once

699
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,800
a week you would pick either to go to religious

700
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,199
studies for a class, or civic civics or a class

701
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:29,760
once a week. And we got this woman who was

702
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,800
who had a master's in philosophy and specifically, you know,

703
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:40,400
went for Orthodox studies. Great woman, you know, very humble,

704
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:44,239
you know, the type who had no jewelry, no nothing,

705
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,960
but she was very, very nice. And with me in

706
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,920
class was this fellow who was in the same grade

707
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:56,880
who got into the whole new atheist and both of

708
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,360
us being teenagers at the time, you know, he got

709
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,159
very roud, not in any inappropriate sense, but in the

710
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,360
argumentative sense. And you know, me, as a fellow classmate,

711
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,599
I did nothing, nothing, and he would just say, well

712
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,840
why does this What he said, I think, well, why

713
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:15,519
is the mark of cane black skin or something like that,

714
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:20,920
because he heard that online obviously, so at one point

715
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,639
I snap and I start arguing with it. And obviously

716
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,039
his arguments were rubbish. So that wasn't a big achievement

717
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:33,320
for me, but it showed that her timidity, especially as

718
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,280
a woman extraordinarily appropriate on her own, But then you

719
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,800
also need someone to be more aggressive at aetain point,

720
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:46,039
because again demons are very multifaceted and will get at

721
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:50,000
any angle. You know, try to make you more timid,

722
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,960
try to make you more aggressive, try to make you

723
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:58,199
more argumentative, whatever it takes for you to fumble. So

724
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,760
we also as as members of the church, need to

725
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:08,880
have different talents utilized. Some are just diplomatic, others more

726
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,039
you know, again, argumentative, And there's a place for it.

727
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:19,480
There is no single singular approach, and it's not also

728
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,679
shouting at people to to you know, repent and accept

729
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,920
Christ did did did? What do you think you're doing?

730
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,920
You know, that's part of you know, Jesus combats You

731
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,440
just throw like a hand grenade there and you know,

732
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:37,960
if it explodes, Jesus, who'd done it? So I think

733
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,599
those are also the factors that play into the whole

734
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:48,239
way of thinking, well.

735
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 6: I think we've we've been we've been cursed with since

736
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:56,159
you know, is a sort of idea of Jesus meeking

737
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,480
mild right, So you have almost to Christ being debated.

738
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:01,960
I I I broke it down to saying, like a

739
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:04,679
lot of people worship Bob Christ. You know, they they

740
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,199
they venerate Bob Christ or Moyshi Christ. You know, Bob

741
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,440
Christ is a heck of a guy. He's super nice, lovely,

742
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,039
got to have over dinner. He's going to bring the

743
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:15,159
fish and the wine, and you know, God bless him.

744
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:19,360
But he's not Christ. He's not He's not truly Jesus.

745
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,559
And this seems to be permitting through most of the

746
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:27,360
prostant churches or the or the non denominat dominational yeada

747
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,639
YadA YadA churches in the West, and that seems to

748
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:33,719
be what's dying out here in Australia. Like present of

749
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,079
my parish just bought an Anglican church that basically I

750
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:40,960
had no had no attendees. That's happening across Australia, and

751
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:44,159
Australia was an Anglican country for a very long time,

752
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,440
very long time, and it's dying out, like there's just

753
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,159
nobody left to go to these churches. In fact, when

754
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,920
my uh when they were looking into buying churches down

755
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,199
here for our parish, it was like they're like, which

756
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:01,599
Anglican church would you Like, there's many on offer, right,

757
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,639
So it's it's this is happening. It's not just conjecture

758
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:08,760
on the internet. A lot of these churches are dying out,

759
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,960
and but yet the faithful people who want to have

760
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,159
a connection to to to christian or to Christianity or religion,

761
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:19,599
that's not dying out. In fact, that's getting stronger. So

762
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,039
the this is kind of where we get to. You know,

763
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:28,280
if we were doing it to say that the debate

764
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,079
is wrong, then my patron Saint Saint Elijah. The problet

765
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:38,880
Elijah is wrong is he basically he torched people who

766
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,760
are who are leading the country astray what we were

767
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,039
I think people are not dealing with on some levels.

768
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,960
How late it is in the game. You know, I

769
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,119
always finished every stream office, which is it's with the

770
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,920
quote from Father Serve and Rose, it's later than you think.

771
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,920
It's much later than we think. Like this whole Western

772
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,480
civilizational let's say global Homi secular state is collapsing in

773
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:06,480
real time and it's up to us or who's listened

774
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,079
to this, to get on it now. Like this is

775
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,239
not there's no more waiting game left. This is happening.

776
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:16,559
And if your state has basically been controlled by demons,

777
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,440
which is pretty obvious, then it's on us to do something,

778
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:23,719
and if we don't do anything, then that's also on us.

779
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:30,079
Speaker 2: You know. I work for Andrew Andrew Wilson, and he

780
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:35,920
in a debate called someone a snake, and I talked

781
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,199
to him afterwards and they said, you know, that's not

782
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:46,920
very christ like Jesus called people densus. He was nicer

783
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,440
than Jesus, if you can imagine it. And then especially

784
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,800
one of my favorite things is the whole Elijah episode

785
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,239
with the prophets of ve just mogging them.

786
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:02,119
Speaker 4: And after he them and after the fire came down

787
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:04,079
from heaven consumed the sacrifices. I think a lot of

788
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:07,000
people don't read the rest of that passage because then

789
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,360
Elijah and the people took them down and Elijah slaughtered

790
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,960
all of them, literally killed them all.

791
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: He does that a bit. Yeah, And can I say

792
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,360
fire of heaven isn't actual fire. It's lightning lightning here,

793
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:26,760
So yeah, it's not a pillar of fire. There are

794
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,400
pillars of fire, it's just not fire of heaven. That

795
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,199
you can see how someone gets from lightning to calling

796
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,199
it fire of heaven. You know, not many leaps and

797
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:42,239
bounds to understanding the phraseology. But yeah, like Saint Elijah

798
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,400
and even Saint Elijah at one point falters right and says,

799
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:52,079
God just can't take this anymore because his whole people

800
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:58,280
basically have fallen into such depths of depravity and didn't

801
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,119
worship that even he couldn't handle it. And he was

802
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,320
in the desert, so he wasn't, you know, in the

803
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,800
very midst we have to understand that he again, he

804
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,360
wasn't spegging out, was doing his job very well. Actually,

805
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,360
But I I hate just the whole nicety. Now we

806
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,159
shouldn't take well. Jesus called people vipus, so I get

807
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:27,079
to say, you know, get to go full Shimunian on them.

808
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,679
That's that's all. That's the other extreme of things. But

809
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,039
that it's not just your mother.

810
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: Was doing with the Shia, your son of the devil.

811
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: I can't help find that funny. I'm sorry.

812
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 6: Let's deal with Sam for a second. And Sam armored ancelor.

813
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 4: He's clean.

814
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 7: Nas all are welcome, ladies and orbs. It's orbs as well.

815
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,119
Speaker 6: It's just you seem to having this bring it back

816
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:29,960
to you, Jay for a second. You seem to have

817
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,960
this effect right this. I think there's a Trent Horn

818
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,400
effect as well. Where and again the victim of your

819
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,719
own success in terms of debate, where you debate these

820
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,719
these gentlemen and you destroy them and and you destroy

821
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,760
their worldview so so concisely that they go crazy to

822
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,559
the point where they're starting to starting to see orbs.

823
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,920
Let's get let's get to the Sam Shuman situation a

824
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,679
little bit. But I feel that it's it's this is

825
00:48:52,840 --> 00:49:00,199
indicative of these half in, half out Orthodox people. I

826
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:04,159
don't like the accusations of you're not true Christian Orthodox,

827
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,719
et cetera. What I don't I don't have the authority

828
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,880
to say that. And I also don't I think that's

829
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,039
that's sort of around even more than fed in certain

830
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:14,880
in certain circles. But it does seem to be a

831
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,519
thing right where. I mean, we just had the recent

832
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,639
U remind me of his name. Uh, there was just

833
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:30,440
that scandal with prophets Red Vaughan right right where Red

834
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:34,559
Vaughn comes in. He he says he's gonna be Orthodox, uh,

835
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:38,840
and then of course you know, goes off his own way.

836
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,400
Right There's I think we're gonna start seeing more and

837
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,599
more of that as as you know, this is sort

838
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:48,280
of a fair father, Sir from Rose Point of the

839
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,719
Orthodoxy in the religion in the future. But as we're

840
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,880
moving into this period where Orthodoxy becomes more clickable in

841
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,519
some ways. In one way, it's good. It's going to

842
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:01,920
bring people to the church, which is great, but it's

843
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,280
also going to bring in a lot of people who

844
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:08,119
maybe don't belong. And I hate to say that, because

845
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:10,719
it's not so much that Orthodoxy isn't for you, It

846
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,960
just maybe that Orthodoxy isn't for you yet, And that

847
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,000
seems to be a big sticking point that.

848
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 3: Will happen now. It's a great point, and we've seen

849
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,199
that a lot.

850
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 7: It happened to me in two thousand and seven when

851
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,320
I almost came in and went through the catechumen it,

852
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,440
but I wasn't ready to become Orthodox yet, so I

853
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,519
had a lot of you know, tonistic and even still

854
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:34,239
probably perhaps Augustani and Calvinistic baggage back then that I

855
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,280
just didn't understand how to rework it and retool the

856
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,920
whole system and make it work. And even right now

857
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,320
we see Latinizing people who are young converts that are

858
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,920
kind of in the same position I was in back

859
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,559
in two thousand and seven, And you know, it takes

860
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:49,480
a long time to work through a lot of these issues.

861
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:52,079
Even if you spend a lot of time writing theology.

862
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,920
So even somebody like myself that put a lot in

863
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,199
a lot of time in my twenties into that, like

864
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,800
it was still you know, taking me a lot of

865
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,800
time to work through. And also it's not all intellectual.

866
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,920
It's also beyond just the books and the figuring it out.

867
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,880
There's a lot of personal growth maturation that you love

868
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,679
to go through. You have to go through some hard times,

869
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:14,519
You got to go through people dying, You got to

870
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,480
go through stuff that happens as you get older. That

871
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,480
also is part of I think becoming Orthodox, as I'm sure.

872
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 3: You guys could relate.

873
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,119
Speaker 7: So we will unfortunately see people who you know, come in,

874
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:32,920
they get fascinated, they see a fad, a trend, and

875
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,000
then they you know, go to the liturgy, they have

876
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:37,800
a bad experience with the priest, you know, something like that,

877
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:38,159
and then.

878
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:40,599
Speaker 3: They decide it's bad. That kind of stuff is going

879
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:40,960
to happen.

880
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,039
Speaker 7: There's going to be people who just you know, don't

881
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:45,840
want to do it, or feel like they've been sold

882
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,199
a bad you know, a lemon.

883
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:51,559
Speaker 3: You know, there's all kinds of possibilities here.

884
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 7: But overall, I think still you know, the majority of

885
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,599
the people that that tend to move in the into

886
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:59,760
the direction of worthodox you tend to be pretty serious.

887
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,880
I think the great thing about Orthodoxy is that also

888
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,639
it's pretty good at filtering out bad apples because you know,

889
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:08,760
it takes time.

890
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 3: You can't just like a Southern Baptist.

891
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 7: Walk down the aisle and you know, Billy Graham hands

892
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,920
you pieces of pizza and you say the Center's prayer

893
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,880
and you're saved. Right, Like, it's a lot more of

894
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,880
a serious thing. So there's a pretty good filtering mechanism

895
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,559
for phonies. And you know, but there will be people,

896
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:31,519
like you said, who trickle out to run Catholicism or

897
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:33,119
trickle out to whatever heresy.

898
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: There's also a general point to be made about nascent

899
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:44,440
movements in general. Again, if you have something that's starting out,

900
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,800
so in the US, for a long time, Orthodoxy was

901
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:53,000
something that was done by immigrants right from Orthodox country,

902
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:58,320
so then you would start to get the trick right.

903
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:03,239
And again, any movement will start with people who are

904
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,360
very serious about it.

905
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: Right.

906
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 2: You can think of political ideologies, you can think of

907
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:13,480
you know, social movements or something like that. But before

908
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:16,760
it's popular, people will join it because they believe it.

909
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:22,280
But then it starts gaining steam and gaining momentum, and

910
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,360
as it continues to do so, that's when people who

911
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,480
are there to grift on it start getting in, you know,

912
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:35,079
people who have their own ambitions, they start getting in.

913
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,760
But then also there's another level of hurdles that arises

914
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,920
when it becomes so popular. Then that again people come

915
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,400
in by osmosis and aren't really serious about the whole thing.

916
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,079
It's just the thing to do. That's that was a

917
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,199
huge problem when the new atheists came up. You know,

918
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,559
you're Christian, I suppose, so you know, you don't know

919
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,320
anything about it. You haven't really thought about it, haven't

920
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:05,079
investigated anything. You just kind of are because that's what

921
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:09,000
people do. And then when you get challenged, you're on

922
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:14,840
very weak footing. And I think that part of the

923
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,639
reason why Orthodoxy is growing well in the US is

924
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,039
that we're still pretty much in Maybe the Grifti's come in,

925
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,119
but it's still pretty young in terms of converting people

926
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:32,360
to be prepared. You can't have this level of debate

927
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:39,639
that JA engages in, especially with the general public it's

928
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,800
not for everyone. Some topics maybe you know, for certain

929
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,880
segments of populations, and then you know, hey, I get

930
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,800
the point about you know, Vatican too, I get the

931
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:56,159
point about, you know, faith versus works and stuff. But

932
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,079
comprehensiveness is something you can only have the luxury of

933
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:07,119
having in the early stages. Once it grows, it will

934
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:12,480
stop being so so well, you know, defined and protected,

935
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,639
So be prepared for that. And that's also again, demons

936
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:21,360
will use any single opportunity. If you remember the sorry

937
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,239
with Saint Anthony the Great, you know, a demon saying,

938
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,639
you know, you can't outfast me because ident' eat, you

939
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,039
can't have more vigil than me because I don't sleep.

940
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:38,239
You know what was it? But one thing you beat

941
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,719
me at is you know you don't have pride, which

942
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,159
was a trap basically to get him to be proud.

943
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,400
So anything, anything, even great success in your spiritual advances,

944
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:58,119
will be used. Let alone, like your intellectual querries, you know,

945
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:03,519
your spiritual journey in it's more nation form. Just be

946
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:09,039
aware that it's not just a simple schema that undergoes

947
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:12,320
you know, and you have your little notebook and you

948
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,880
can check everything and now you're good. Now the demons

949
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,199
don't have any way to get.

950
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,119
Speaker 4: There's another layer to this as well, that is, I

951
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:23,280
don't think it's going away anytime soon. The introduction of

952
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:29,119
digital space and social media and the sort of ongoing

953
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,960
twenty four to seven social engagement world that you know,

954
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,920
once upon a time we just you just have physical space,

955
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,960
and when you go interact with someone, it typically you're

956
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,320
like intentionally going out of your way to go to

957
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,599
a physical place where a bunch of people are gathered,

958
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,159
and then obvious physical constraints, there's limits to the number

959
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:49,119
of people that can be there, and that colors the

960
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,719
shape of the sorts of social interactions and the growth

961
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,920
and organic emergence of movements and stuff. Now having a

962
00:56:57,639 --> 00:57:01,280
having this digital real estate, we can also engage in

963
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,000
that is in many ways it's much more democratized, so

964
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,840
you can get way more people who suddenly show up

965
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,000
in some kind of weird niche space than than than before.

966
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,679
That creates a whole new set of opportunities and challenges.

967
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 6: Well, it's something that you, Matt, you and I have

968
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,840
talked about quite often with AI and I know there's

969
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:29,599
some prominent thinkers in the Orthox space space that are

970
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,320
diligiently against AI. And I can understand why, right, I

971
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,199
think the people who are designing all of this stuff

972
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:39,079
are full of demons. However, we can't stop it from

973
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:41,360
being developed, we can't stop it from being proliferated, we

974
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,000
can't stop it from being out in the public. What

975
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:46,239
we can do, however, is inject Christ into it as

976
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,960
much as possible, and not just any Christ. We're talking

977
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,199
about Jesus Christ. We're not talking about Bob or Moyschy Christ.

978
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:54,000
We're talking about Jesus Christ and an Orthodox perspective. This

979
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:58,639
gets us to what I've been starting to push for people.

980
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,320
One is to is to all the prodigal son to return,

981
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,159
repent and rebuild or redeem. The other the other being

982
00:58:05,159 --> 00:58:07,920
as a correllary to the vengeful son, the other being

983
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:13,079
the full spectrum Orthodox dominance, full spectrum Orthodox dominance. And

984
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:16,480
that doesn't mean pushing it down people's throats. That means

985
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,000
bringing that that that that level of separation from six

986
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:23,239
degrees down to two degrees, where everyone in your family

987
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:25,760
is has some Orthodox people in there that are going

988
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,280
to people's houses and seeing some icons on the on

989
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,360
the on the on the wall. You know, people have

990
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,920
their prayer, prayer ropes. It's the coutrement, right. There was

991
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,239
someone who said, I think that maybe have been uh,

992
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:45,719
it might have been Saint Uh. I'm blanking on the name.

993
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,320
But whoever said it is that Orthodoxy is the most

994
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,360
materialistic church in some ways we have the most stuff,

995
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,199
Like it's all about the things, but it's not the

996
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,599
things that are that are in here important. But in

997
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:04,840
a materialistic world. I just saw a video clip on

998
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,679
thing on TikTok where some young girls like talking about

999
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:10,599
get all your Orthodox stuff right, get your icon, get

1000
00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:13,039
you this, get you that. I'm like, yeah, well, hey,

1001
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,440
if that works, it works. Like we're I think we're

1002
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:21,880
past the point of being per clutching about who's using

1003
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,239
which icon or how they're us you know, obviously how

1004
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:27,599
they're using it in the in the and the let's say,

1005
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,519
the intentions behind it are important, but getting it out

1006
00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:34,199
there in the public where where everyone is seeing it

1007
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,320
is a powerful marketing tool. And we have to be

1008
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,480
part of the twenty first century. It's it's no good

1009
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,000
thinking that we're somewhere in the in the in the

1010
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:44,440
in the second century, second in the second century, and

1011
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:46,840
we're dealing with the second century problems. We're in the

1012
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,639
twenty first century and we and we better start acting

1013
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:54,840
like it, which brings us to it, brings us to

1014
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,199
guys like Jay Dyer, Jay Dyer, Andrew Wilson. Uh, you

1015
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:02,079
know other prominent members who are shaking things up. We're

1016
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:05,280
rattling trees who are upsetting people. But it's like, yeah,

1017
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,320
it's twenty first century. It's an upsetting world. Like you

1018
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:13,000
have what what's the disturbing number? We saw about two

1019
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:18,119
interesting quotes. One that's something like three out of five

1020
01:00:18,239 --> 01:00:21,840
women in America have only fan accounts.

1021
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:28,599
Speaker 2: Or right, but anything about only fans, how much they earn,

1022
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,280
and how many are on there? I think, is there

1023
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,880
to be a trap well that for you to for

1024
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:37,639
other women the thing? Oh so this is much more

1025
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:41,599
viable and popular than I thought.

1026
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:47,039
Speaker 7: Jayo muted, Well, the real study is where they did

1027
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:48,880
a period had study to show that three of those

1028
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:58,920
five accounts are almost always Pasha's soccer accounts.

1029
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:01,679
Speaker 3: I mean, possibly wearing a fuck.

1030
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 8: Do you think I'm sexy? Do you think I'm lovely?

1031
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:11,199
Come on, baby, let me know. Just raking it in lads.

1032
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,719
Sorry to all the lives I've destroyed, but hey, it's

1033
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:15,880
it's that's the way.

1034
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,039
Speaker 6: Hey, you know those curtains, those those Serbian curtains are

1035
01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:22,320
not sheep folks. It's there you go.

1036
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:29,239
Speaker 4: The other ones are are are Indian guys from running

1037
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,159
AI accounts.

1038
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:37,519
Speaker 2: I love you very much. They're so masculine accounts. Remember

1039
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:41,719
the masculine that turned out to be from India. I

1040
01:01:41,719 --> 01:01:45,719
think if someone knows the game, it's the Indian bro.

1041
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:49,079
Speaker 4: Those guys can griff like no one else.

1042
01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm apologizing for the thought. I always have to

1043
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,320
make sure I don't go full bulk. And Jason, I

1044
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:04,119
talked to you.

1045
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 6: I gave you the green lights. You know, Hey, if

1046
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,039
this is if this is our, if this is our

1047
01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:10,400
a Swan song on YouTube, let it be the Swan song.

1048
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:13,639
Let's go, let's go out. Listen. It's blazing Halo glory.

1049
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:21,119
Speaker 2: Regular family discussions in Serbia are sed posting online. So

1050
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,039
I always have to keep myself.

1051
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 6: Apparently you are both voice maxing and looks maxing posh.

1052
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,400
So that's sad. When he says it about me, you know,

1053
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,400
he's telling on he's telling on himself, really.

1054
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 2: Right, So okay, but we didn't go back to Sam

1055
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:47,159
shamoon I, I don't think he's a FED.

1056
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 3: Uh, he's too he's too unhinged to be a FED.

1057
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,400
He has to be like a rovocateur or something if

1058
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:56,719
he was.

1059
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he doesn't have this to ability to be

1060
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,920
a FED, even in the capacity of a provocateur, because

1061
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,840
there's just no continuity other than being very angry at people.

1062
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,239
And I think that's much more easily ascribed to him

1063
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,679
being Assyrian than to being a plant.

1064
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 6: Yeah. Orb maxing is having the chat or maxing.

1065
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: With all maxing. Just to be clear that that's a

1066
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:32,559
very popular thing in like paraanormal activity circles like wolves

1067
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:39,320
and just just bloody clean the plates. It's basic lighting

1068
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:45,119
and dust part so as someone who loves watching or.

1069
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 3: Maybe ghosts are just dusty, maybe they don't clean up.

1070
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: Maybe the maybe it's the ghosts who couldst platonism and

1071
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,199
later with his orbs and circle being perfect and it's.

1072
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 3: All black ghosts and there.

1073
01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 6: You ashy was just ashy the.

1074
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:15,199
Speaker 2: N word ghosts. Wait wait, wait, we can make.

1075
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:18,559
Speaker 6: Bypop just ashy. Why don't why don't you get your

1076
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:21,039
cast by ass and some lotion to see if you

1077
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:22,800
can clear that up all of a sudden you go

1078
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,039
for white ghost to a black ghost. I can see

1079
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:26,480
you at night.

1080
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:35,119
Speaker 4: Who invited Jasmine Crockett Jason. I think that there's a

1081
01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:39,039
problem with this panel. I think that you. I think

1082
01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:42,360
that you rigged it. I think you.

1083
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: I think you.

1084
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:50,199
Speaker 4: I think you, uh, you tilted the fields.

1085
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,239
Speaker 3: Not enough people that think I'm fed or what.

1086
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, somebody's gonna have to take the pro fed side,

1087
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,960
and I'll take I'll take the prof.

1088
01:04:59,320 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: Prove I'm a fed.

1089
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 6: Well, you know, Jay, Here's here's here I got. Actually,

1090
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:08,679
I have proof already already set up. Obviously, you are

1091
01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:12,880
doing the work of the Apple Juice community and the

1092
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:15,719
Juice Consortium. If you don't want to talking.

1093
01:05:15,519 --> 01:05:20,559
Speaker 7: About soda, cokes, pepsis, all that stuff that is just

1094
01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:22,480
pure death juice, man get rid of that.

1095
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:24,239
Speaker 3: You need to stop drinking all that right away.

1096
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 7: And a lot of people are addicted to those things.

1097
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,559
And the easiest way to stop that addiction, people say,

1098
01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:32,679
is to start drinking things like Perier, and that will

1099
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,960
wean you off of the sort of addiction that you

1100
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:39,320
might have just to your palette being tickled by the bubbles.

1101
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,280
Don't do this right anymore. Start winging yourself off of that.

1102
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,679
Totally get rid of cokes. There's no reason at all

1103
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:47,599
to drink.

1104
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,599
Speaker 3: High fructose coke syrup. I mean, it's just now.

1105
01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:52,639
Speaker 7: First of all, it's not even it doesn't taste good.

1106
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,559
It's just all mad science creation, made in a lab stuff.

1107
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 3: None of that is real food drink the science soda

1108
01:06:06,199 --> 01:06:06,599
I see.

1109
01:06:06,679 --> 01:06:11,159
Speaker 6: Obviously, Jay, uh. First of all, that's just that's the

1110
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:19,280
case against that's anti mega matt that's some deep cuts

1111
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,239
against your entire brand. That's some anti Maga centemons. That

1112
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,039
means die Coke's off the table. We're not gonna hear

1113
01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:28,199
any of that, sir. Second of all, obviously, Jay, you're

1114
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,559
you're working for that. You're working for the Fruit Juice,

1115
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,920
the Fruit, the Juice Consortium, the juice, the juice. I

1116
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,719
work for the Jews, work for the juice. Obviously you're

1117
01:06:37,719 --> 01:06:42,639
getting money from the juice to fight. So yeah, London

1118
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:44,199
obviously is full of juice. People.

1119
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:50,039
Speaker 7: Come on, big Big Juice is battling against Nazi big soda.

1120
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:53,079
Speaker 4: This is glaring anti chad behavior.

1121
01:06:53,320 --> 01:07:09,239
Speaker 9: Fighting against Fanta fascists.

1122
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:13,159
Speaker 5: Mid the orange ish, the gorgeoush It's like it's it

1123
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:14,880
tastes like orange, but isn't it orange.

1124
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 6: It's amazing, isn't it. Yeah, it's a little bit of

1125
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,320
Orange Julip. I come from the city of Orange julip

1126
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:21,840
where there's a big giant orange in the middle of

1127
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,039
the city. And these we sell these, we sell these

1128
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:27,480
orange milkshakes. Orange milkshakes. Sure, yeah, it gives you, it

1129
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:28,840
gives you special visions.

1130
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 7: Well, you know, Doctor Pepper contributed to the work of

1131
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:33,679
doctor Mangelo.

1132
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:34,519
Speaker 3: They work together.

1133
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Mangola cribbed most of his stuff of Dr Pepper. Craig, Wait, wait, wait,

1134
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,920
is this that type of science started in America? And

1135
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:46,719
the gems are like, who is that? That sounds very intriguing?

1136
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,679
Speaker 4: Am I being treated to fake news here? Or is

1137
01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:56,159
this is this real? You didn't get doctor Pepper? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1138
01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:57,960
I know. I was wondering if Doctor Pepper was actually

1139
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,760
a reference to an actual guy he was named after

1140
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,880
him or something, you know, like like, uh, I grew

1141
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,000
up Seventh Day Adventists and uh so Kellogg's doctor Hardy.

1142
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 6: He got hit in their head with our big, really

1143
01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:13,039
really big spiritual rock, so.

1144
01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:15,519
Speaker 4: In the nose, in the nose, got hit in the

1145
01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:19,119
nose of the rock and started having visions. I grew up,

1146
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:20,840
like you know, eating corn flakes and stuff, and then

1147
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:24,359
I learned that that doctor Kellogg invented corn flakes because

1148
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:26,680
he wanted young boys to stop masturbating and he thought

1149
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:29,319
the bacon and eggs were making him too horny.

1150
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 6: The boy from Ever, the boys from Brio, that's what

1151
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,680
we're we're basically investigating, and the boys from Brio coming

1152
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,960
over and just the Italian Brio boys, uh making in

1153
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,680
roads into into communities. Let's talk about that for a second.

1154
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,720
Let's let's talk about the the infiltration of ideology into

1155
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:54,279
the church. Because one thing that you know, Buck Johnson

1156
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:56,880
the money, but the money Buck Johnson, Buck the stuff

1157
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,920
Johnson his head is that uh, orthodoxy is the is

1158
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:06,119
the is a dialectic destroyer that you bring these ideologies

1159
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:08,880
were based on these dialectics into the church and basically

1160
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,520
it eradicates them. Father T. Qualls that said something very

1161
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:16,800
very similar. This seems to be the consternation where you know,

1162
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,680
some of the early attacks, the BBC attacks on Father

1163
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:27,319
Moses McPherson, Buck Johnson, Father John Whiteford. Was this inclusion

1164
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:30,079
now there another trying to attack on multiple levels? Right

1165
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:34,640
where were infiltrated by Russian spies and were anti Semits,

1166
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:39,239
anti Semits and all the all the evil white things,

1167
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:44,439
right this. Uh, but yet when you're inside of the church,

1168
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,159
you understand how it kind of destroys these ideologies from

1169
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:49,760
the inside out because you can't have you can't you

1170
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,560
can't hold a dialectical structure within within the within the church,

1171
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,840
within the true Church. It doesn't It just doesn't work.

1172
01:09:56,159 --> 01:10:00,640
So any thoughts on that, gentleman, The the the external

1173
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:07,479
tacks of So I can understand somewhat from a materialistic

1174
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,000
point of viewpoint how for example, there's glass ceilings for

1175
01:10:11,039 --> 01:10:13,319
women in the church. They can't become priests, they can't think,

1176
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:17,000
there's there's there's certain things they can't do. There's taboos.

1177
01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:21,600
Of course, the church stands on homosexuality or on lust

1178
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:26,079
in general. Uh, you know, the idea that that the

1179
01:10:26,079 --> 01:10:29,800
the Orthodox churches is the true Israel seems to fly

1180
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:34,880
in the face of certain certain groups. Any thoughts on that?

1181
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:39,840
So this content sort of continued external attack, which I

1182
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,560
also think is driving people to the church in a

1183
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,359
in a weird way.

1184
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:50,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there are right and wrong.

1185
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,199
Speaker 7: There are situations at times where you have to take

1186
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,239
a true versus false.

1187
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,520
Speaker 3: Position, but there's also false dialectics.

1188
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,319
Speaker 7: Both things exist, so fALS electics like are you with

1189
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,680
the Zionists or with Hamas right?

1190
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:06,279
Speaker 3: Are you?

1191
01:11:07,319 --> 01:11:09,279
Speaker 7: Do you believe in faith or you believe in works?

1192
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:11,399
Do you believe in grace? You believe in law? Do

1193
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,239
you believe in tradition or you believe in the Bible.

1194
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:19,640
A lot of what Americans, Evangelicals, Protestants you know, are

1195
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,960
faced with is a lot of dialectics. And even Roman

1196
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,600
Catholics who those kinds of issues do a little bit

1197
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,960
better than the Protestant Evangelicals, even they still got kind

1198
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,680
of get caught up in some of the wealth. God's

1199
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,840
absolutely simple. He can't be you know, there can't be energies.

1200
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,920
So that's also another kind of dialectic of absolute simplicity

1201
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:40,880
in God versus real multiplicity, that kind of stuff. So,

1202
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,399
I mean, there's always the potentiality for dialectics, even amongst

1203
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:49,119
more sophisticated Roman Catholic people. But for the majority of

1204
01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:52,800
American kind of you know, evangelical minded people, it's just

1205
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,840
sad that so many things, even to the point of

1206
01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:00,520
the fake two party left right, Democrat Republican system ealectics.

1207
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,199
Speaker 3: So people you know that.

1208
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:06,119
Speaker 7: Are having that whole boomer mind matrix of the false

1209
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:09,720
dialectics collapse, are then starting to think, hey, wait a minute,

1210
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,119
maybe there's options that I'm not even familiar with that

1211
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:14,720
aren't Protestant or Papists.

1212
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 3: Maybe there's something orthodox that's unique.

1213
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 6: You know.

1214
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 3: Same Maximus says.

1215
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 7: That, you know, ever since the Fall, we've kind of

1216
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:26,399
been caught up in dialectics to speak metaphysically, and then

1217
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,119
ultimately Christianity then resolves a lot of these dialectics through

1218
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:35,039
the trinity being you know, one and many, through there

1219
01:12:35,079 --> 01:12:39,560
being synergy and harmony between church and state ideally not

1220
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,960
a battle. You know, man and women complement each other.

1221
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:48,079
They're not enemies. We're not feminists versus anti feminists. We're

1222
01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:53,000
true patriarchy where the you know, genders have true synthesis.

1223
01:12:53,079 --> 01:13:01,000
So yeah, just down the list, right, I mean, it

1224
01:13:01,079 --> 01:13:03,680
just constantly dissolves these false dilectrics.

1225
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 4: You can see a lot of the even the based

1226
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,800
politics guys themselves wind up just kind of being a

1227
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:15,079
continuation of this dialectic thinking because they they they think

1228
01:13:15,119 --> 01:13:17,560
that to be base is just to take the opposite

1229
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,119
of whatever the Libs think exactly. And so then you

1230
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:23,439
wind up becoming a dogmatic anti Zionist, you become a

1231
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:27,199
dogmatic anti Semite or a dogmatic anti black or anti

1232
01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:30,960
woman or whatever, and you just assume you just create

1233
01:13:31,039 --> 01:13:33,800
kind of like a negative liberalism, which is which is

1234
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,840
itself just a reflection of liberalism. You're still operating within

1235
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:37,600
that same frame.

1236
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, so much of the diffident right exactly fell into that,

1237
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,960
especially back to the twenty sixteen seventeen alt right era,

1238
01:13:44,079 --> 01:13:47,319
people just fell into this, like to the point where

1239
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:50,279
they started moving more and more towards progressivism. Oh, let's

1240
01:13:50,279 --> 01:13:55,279
have ubi, let's adopt what was that guy's name, You'll.

1241
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,159
Speaker 4: Chain your Yang Andrew Yang Yang.

1242
01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:06,279
Speaker 3: Yang Yang's socialism and all. It just got so stupid.

1243
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, let's and let's even consider oh maybe actually, uh,

1244
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:16,079
what's the California guy. Maybe he's based seguso avenusom, I

1245
01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:19,239
mean just retarded stuff like what like well, I think

1246
01:14:19,279 --> 01:14:23,880
there's there's there's this gay pro you know, Skittles abortion

1247
01:14:25,039 --> 01:14:29,119
guy gonna be based it's just retarded. So but that's

1248
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,239
the dissonant, right, like you said, just fell into this.

1249
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:34,880
I'll oppose anything for the sake of opposing it, and

1250
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,439
it just becomes nothing. So there's no that's just that's

1251
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,720
the problem with the Nietzschean right too, right, the Nietzschean

1252
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,680
ride ends up just kind of being leftist.

1253
01:14:43,119 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 6: Well, so part of my work has been talking about

1254
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,560
like sort of the liberal frame. This comes from father Serve,

1255
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:54,680
from his work in nism uh, and it's extension of

1256
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,159
that where people kind of think liberalism is just the

1257
01:14:58,279 --> 01:15:02,159
left or just this, you know, libertarianism or picker group.

1258
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,439
I see it as one big giant frame that contains

1259
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,279
all these ideologies because they all come they all reduced

1260
01:15:09,359 --> 01:15:14,079
down to nominalism individualism. Uh, you know, let's say post

1261
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:17,039
Enlightenment thinking in one way, shape or form. There's different

1262
01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:19,720
levers to it. So some some ideologies turn up the

1263
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,560
crank on on certain aspects and dead and others, but

1264
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,279
they all fall in the same frame and that frame

1265
01:15:26,319 --> 01:15:29,159
and this is sort of also parallel thinking to Dougan,

1266
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:32,520
that's the frame you got to break so in order

1267
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,399
to think outside of it. It's it's a it's a

1268
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:40,319
major extraction because you realize that your entire reality that

1269
01:15:40,359 --> 01:15:42,960
you've grown up with in the West is a false reality.

1270
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,880
It's this liberal reality that it's nothing personal. You can

1271
01:15:47,239 --> 01:15:49,600
you can choose to be whatever you want as long

1272
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,479
as it's liberal. This is why all world governments kind

1273
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,680
of look the same, right outside of a few notable exceptions,

1274
01:15:56,119 --> 01:15:58,239
and even then, like they're kind of in service that

1275
01:15:58,319 --> 01:16:02,560
Saudi Arabia is in servius service of the liberal liberal frame.

1276
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,720
It's not like, yes, they have a monarchy, but you know,

1277
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,039
come on, right.

1278
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,319
Speaker 2: So when you can get traditionally Islamic to hold a

1279
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:16,680
nazela concert, and I think that's.

1280
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 6: Peak or or w or WWE events. As long as

1281
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:30,119
wood are fully covered, right, they're in skin tight skin suits.

1282
01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:32,960
As long as they're in skin tight skin suits in

1283
01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:36,159
cat suits, they're fine. They can perform. It's just don't

1284
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,720
bear a shoulder. That's that's that's a. That's a.

1285
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,359
Speaker 4: It was weird when I was in I was in

1286
01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:45,600
Turkey around twenty years ago or so, and it was

1287
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,479
kind of surreal going around traveling around the country and

1288
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,199
seeing how frequently I would see women wearing both full

1289
01:16:52,359 --> 01:16:55,079
complete head coverings, including just the slit for the eyes,

1290
01:16:55,279 --> 01:17:01,079
with a mini skirt. It was it was like, what's

1291
01:17:01,119 --> 01:17:01,720
happening here?

1292
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 3: Like America during COVID.

1293
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,279
Speaker 4: That's true. It was a foreshadowing.

1294
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 2: I think Turkey is number one in terms of the

1295
01:17:13,119 --> 01:17:18,319
number of sexual partners people have. So Turkey has never.

1296
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:20,279
Speaker 6: Been cousins because they're fine with that.

1297
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,239
Speaker 2: So, yeah, they're not as bad as certain other ones,

1298
01:17:24,279 --> 01:17:29,359
but they're bad. But Turkey isn't really that and never

1299
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:33,760
has been very traditionally Islamic because they were too powerful

1300
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:34,960
to actually be restrained.

1301
01:17:36,039 --> 01:17:36,239
Speaker 6: You know.

1302
01:17:36,399 --> 01:17:39,159
Speaker 2: So you have these people, you know, these moms coming

1303
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:44,239
from Arabia, well you know, you really you know a

1304
01:17:44,279 --> 01:17:46,800
lot of them have just mustaches, and like in Sunni

1305
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,520
Islam you're supposed to shave off the mustache and just

1306
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,920
have a beard. You can have a very very thin mustache,

1307
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,880
and a lot of them just had mustaches. And they're like, Okay,

1308
01:17:57,039 --> 01:18:00,319
you go and tell the Saltan that and good luck

1309
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:05,520
because you're you're probably not coming back. So that's the

1310
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,199
thing with Turkey. But but honestly, the house has sold

1311
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:14,840
a lot of these Gulf countries. They're not trad It's

1312
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,760
very difficult to be very trad and just extraordinarily wealth.

1313
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,760
That that was the case with a lot of monarchies

1314
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:29,119
in Europe as well. But I think we again the

1315
01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:35,239
dichotomies we spoke about earlier. A lot of them stem

1316
01:18:35,279 --> 01:18:38,319
from the fact that what is conservative or thought of

1317
01:18:38,359 --> 01:18:43,119
as conservative in the West is modernism, and then liberalism

1318
01:18:43,239 --> 01:18:48,359
is postmodernists. That's how I see it, right, So think

1319
01:18:48,399 --> 01:18:54,079
about you know, discussing the Bible and exegesis. You know,

1320
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,600
postmderns say, well, you can never know what it was

1321
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:00,479
means really, and then the modern is the conservative position.

1322
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,800
There's no no, you just know it. You just look

1323
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,279
at them and you know what it means. That's it.

1324
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:11,600
Because we are so far gone from traditional Christian thinking

1325
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,119
that we are left with two modern ways of thinking.

1326
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:20,439
And I think that's why the discourse is so low level.

1327
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:27,159
And I'm not sure how it will be fixed or

1328
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:30,840
if it will be fixed. That's not mine to say.

1329
01:19:31,119 --> 01:19:36,600
But honestly, if you're thinking for one single source of

1330
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,720
why things are so low level, it's because it's all modern.

1331
01:19:41,279 --> 01:19:45,600
And modernism is not about thought. It's just about spinning

1332
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:50,600
around your presuppositions into whatever you think needs to be done.

1333
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,880
It's very like like communists that they don't believe in truth.

1334
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,960
It's only materialism, you know, So what you can be

1335
01:19:58,039 --> 01:20:01,560
the biggest capitalist ever. As long as you just go

1336
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,800
after the revolution, the methodology might be in question. The

1337
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:12,520
t loss, especially like the Fabians and such people. They

1338
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,600
don't care that you're going to sacrifice people. They're materialists,

1339
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:20,680
they're full materialists. They don't care about life or death.

1340
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:26,479
What matters is the religious truth that you have this

1341
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:32,680
progression of historic materialism. I think that's a term that

1342
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:37,399
goes towards this utopia. And they will do anything, not

1343
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:42,039
just gulags. They will become what's called in the Labor Party,

1344
01:20:42,039 --> 01:20:45,479
you know the Blue Labor and the Tony Blairs, who

1345
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,720
were one of the most radical people who have ever

1346
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:53,239
occupied the position of Prime Minister Britain. But he managed

1347
01:20:53,279 --> 01:20:57,680
to come off as a moderate. So he has done

1348
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:03,159
the worst things. He established the Supreme Court. You think here,

1349
01:21:03,279 --> 01:21:05,760
British Supreme Court. That's the thing from I think two

1350
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,960
thousand and nine. But if you think, oh, it's Britain

1351
01:21:09,079 --> 01:21:12,119
and Supreme Court, that must be hundreds of years ol. No, no, no.

1352
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,600
So if he destroys everything, bloods of the country with immigrants,

1353
01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:22,399
h makes up you know it. Pig's breakfast of British politics.

1354
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:27,319
And he's still seen as two right wing for the

1355
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:31,279
Labor Party. This is howies were.

1356
01:21:31,399 --> 01:21:33,399
Speaker 3: Hey, Jason is I'm gonna have to go ahead and

1357
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:33,800
check out.

1358
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,279
Speaker 6: I appreciate him. Yeah, no, absolutely, man, I appreciate you man.

1359
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:42,680
Thanks so much for Jay. Anyone last last thoughts on conclusion.

1360
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:49,520
Speaker 3: I'm a FED, so I.

1361
01:21:45,079 --> 01:21:48,600
Speaker 4: Am hopefully your welfare.

1362
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,399
Speaker 7: Even I have exposed that I'm a FED, and I

1363
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:52,720
oppose me now, so.

1364
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,239
Speaker 2: Profess is for your father, Confessor, I'm sorry.

1365
01:21:57,159 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 6: He's officially on the Peterfield pay roll for but pay

1366
01:22:01,399 --> 01:22:03,600
you can put me on your payroll by sending your

1367
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,960
money over to stream labs and PayPal. I appreciate you, Jay,

1368
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,119
thanks so much for you got so much. We'll have

1369
01:22:09,279 --> 01:22:13,680
you get We'll have you on again. Okay, gentlemen, now

1370
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:14,920
there's three, so.

1371
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,520
Speaker 4: Let's have a lord I had. I had a couple

1372
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,279
of thoughts that that that Togh kicked up here, I'm

1373
01:22:24,279 --> 01:22:28,039
sort of related. First thought is, uh, so you're you're

1374
01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:31,119
talking about how Tony Blair is like he casts himself

1375
01:22:31,159 --> 01:22:35,159
as a conservative, but in reality he's he's actually extremely progressive,

1376
01:22:35,319 --> 01:22:38,439
in a revolutionary in a certain sense. And then, uh,

1377
01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:42,119
I remember when the when the realization struck me here

1378
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:45,960
in the States back. This was probably in twenty eighteen,

1379
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,880
twenty nineteen, something like that. That this is when the whole

1380
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,479
like conservative liberal, the whole thing was starting to break

1381
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,960
down for me, and I realized that the the the

1382
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,680
Lib's response to Trump was actually a conservative disgust response

1383
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:01,199
when he showed up. It was it was our institutions,

1384
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:03,319
all the all the progress that we've made, we need

1385
01:23:03,319 --> 01:23:05,640
to we need to try to conserve all of this,

1386
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,279
We need to protect it from the barbarian at the gates.

1387
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,079
And he's going to roll back all of our norms

1388
01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:14,239
and all of our institutions and all that sort of thing.

1389
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:19,199
And so you have these people who who recoil at

1390
01:23:19,279 --> 01:23:24,880
the suggestion of the recoil at the visage of a conservative,

1391
01:23:25,319 --> 01:23:29,399
but then they themselves are performatively playing the role of

1392
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,319
conservative in the current dialectic.

1393
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 2: Yes, you see, but that's not I don't see that

1394
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,239
as conservative. I understand what you mean, like the Discuss

1395
01:23:39,319 --> 01:23:45,319
response like that, but that's Jordan Peterson thinking like people

1396
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:49,319
are disgusted at many things, like the most progressive person

1397
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:53,920
is disgusted by things, mostly by normal things. But a

1398
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:59,920
Discuss response is an immune response. Immune all immunological response. Right,

1399
01:24:00,119 --> 01:24:04,840
So whatever threatens your system is what you're going to be.

1400
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:10,439
You will revile that. And for conservatives that's going to

1401
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:15,159
be one thing. For liberals another thing for progressive completely.

1402
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,199
You know a third thing. I have a working theory

1403
01:24:19,239 --> 01:24:22,960
called the triple horseshoe theory. You might it's very short

1404
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:28,840
to explain, but my thesis is you have the three

1405
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:35,319
daughters of the French Revolution, liberalism, fascism, and socialism. And

1406
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,880
you will hear, for example, the horseshoe theory usually coming

1407
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:43,479
from liberals like libertarians slash liberals, that type of liberal

1408
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,399
who will tell you, well, you go to the left,

1409
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,079
you go to the right, you get to the same thing.

1410
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:56,479
And I think that's because the operative principle is individualism

1411
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,600
and liberty and that type of thing. So the other

1412
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,840
two seem like the same thing too, But the same

1413
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,119
thing goes for the other two. If you're a socialist,

1414
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:12,840
you see both liberals and fascists, as you know non egalitarians,

1415
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,880
so they might as well be the same thing, and

1416
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,680
they will conflate. For the fascists, you see both the

1417
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,279
liberals and the socialist as these are the generates who

1418
01:25:22,279 --> 01:25:26,039
are coming to destroy our heritage and our people and

1419
01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:28,920
stuff like that. And I don't mean that in a

1420
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,279
healthy traditionalist way. I mean that in a revolutionary ideological

1421
01:25:33,279 --> 01:25:38,600
way that fascists think, because fascism is like a modernistic traditionalism.

1422
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,359
So I rejected as nonsense.

1423
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:48,359
Speaker 6: Todd Well fashion fascist fascism. Fascists are just socialists who

1424
01:25:48,399 --> 01:25:51,920
want to hold on to hierarchy, like yeah, yeah, for

1425
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:54,039
some form of hierarchy.

1426
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:59,279
Speaker 2: Most of them will literally reconvalescent, you know, socialists like

1427
01:25:59,359 --> 01:26:03,079
Mussolini themselves socialist, and they realize, oh, this doesn't work,

1428
01:26:04,279 --> 01:26:07,680
so let's try to tweak it. But they get to

1429
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,199
that point like I again, I'm not a I'm not

1430
01:26:10,319 --> 01:26:13,520
a git in the sense that I don't have the

1431
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:18,079
depth to understand that fascism isn't a synonym for authoritarianism.

1432
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:21,439
It's a natural ideology in and of itself, so that

1433
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,399
people switch to that also have the famous MOUs what

1434
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:29,239
is it called pivot to the right? Right, same thing right.

1435
01:26:29,279 --> 01:26:33,039
Speaker 6: All liberalism breaks down to everything coming out of the

1436
01:26:33,039 --> 01:26:35,439
liberal frame. This is this is why a substantiate the

1437
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:39,039
liberal frame, containing all the ideologies, libertarianism, all the rest

1438
01:26:39,039 --> 01:26:42,800
of it. What they're in denial of some some some

1439
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,079
ideologies are annihil of it, and some others lead into it.

1440
01:26:46,119 --> 01:26:49,039
Is the force doctrine, there's something that Andrew Wilson talks about. Right,

1441
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:51,920
you need force to a substantiate these ideas because it's

1442
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:56,640
because it is not reality. It is not reality. People

1443
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:03,039
will naturally associate themselves with reality without any other pressure

1444
01:27:03,159 --> 01:27:05,840
other than like, well, obviously this meant that, you know,

1445
01:27:06,119 --> 01:27:08,239
men and women like each other. Men and women want

1446
01:27:08,279 --> 01:27:10,479
to be with each other. Therefore men and women should

1447
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,760
be with each other. You don't, you don't need authorities

1448
01:27:13,039 --> 01:27:16,319
forcing you to be around around you know, if you're

1449
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:19,920
a young man, you want to be around around young women.

1450
01:27:20,079 --> 01:27:27,760
It's it's a weird thing that happens, right, So it's right, well, yeah,

1451
01:27:28,199 --> 01:27:30,439
there are there are things that that people can do

1452
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,199
to dissuade you from that prospect. But you know, you

1453
01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:36,760
get what I'm saying, right, Natural things happen naturally. The

1454
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:40,600
natural order begets natural order, it demands it, even the

1455
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,880
sense of justice, which I think is coming to a

1456
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,640
head now. This is this is kind of similar I've

1457
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,279
talked about with the eventual son, the problem, the vengeful son.

1458
01:27:49,359 --> 01:27:51,760
The spirit of this new age is that it's going

1459
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,359
to feel good. And what people are going to code

1460
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:58,319
vengeance for, They're going to code vengeance as justice. The

1461
01:27:58,399 --> 01:28:00,680
problem is they don't. They don't have the breaks or

1462
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,279
the discernment in the culture to understand what justice is.

1463
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,880
So now just you know, hanging hanging people by the

1464
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:12,319
by lamp posts. Who you know, we can we can look,

1465
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,520
we can go down the list and go, yeah, these

1466
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,800
people ought to have justice. Uh, when we get into

1467
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:23,079
the true situation code quote here on YouTube, there are

1468
01:28:23,159 --> 01:28:26,720
many people who deserve to have a great deal of

1469
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,079
justice delivered on to them. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna.

1470
01:28:30,279 --> 01:28:33,560
I'm not gonna shy away from that. However, where do

1471
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,199
you stop? That becomes a question, right, and we since

1472
01:28:37,239 --> 01:28:40,439
we've lost the discernment of where to stop, it becomes

1473
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,680
all against all, very very quickly.

1474
01:28:43,279 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 2: And there that that's a playground for the demonic right,

1475
01:28:48,359 --> 01:28:52,960
the sense of we have to deliver justice because as

1476
01:28:53,039 --> 01:28:56,960
you said, where to stop, because it usually doesn't just

1477
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:03,119
not stop, it tends to intensify and society. But just

1478
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:06,760
to be clear on a couple of things, we don't

1479
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,760
have the idea of natural law in Orthodoxy. That's a

1480
01:29:10,399 --> 01:29:16,560
Catholic Aristotle, you know, influenced thing. So we don't approach

1481
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:22,000
natural law in that sense. But we have the idea

1482
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,279
of justice and justice etymological. I did a whole stream

1483
01:29:26,359 --> 01:29:31,399
on it. Justice is order, and what how you perceive

1484
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,640
order is going to be reliant on your metaphysics, on

1485
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:40,600
your religion. So if you have something like a Greco

1486
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:45,560
Roman system, you know, a nobleman coming over and just

1487
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:50,600
kicking a slave in the face, that's just because that's

1488
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:54,119
the order of things. He is ontologically superior to the

1489
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:59,840
to the slave. You know, they believe in this aristocratic

1490
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,880
ontology and that ties into their entire metaphysical system. Same

1491
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:08,000
thing we would see in India even today, although you know,

1492
01:30:08,199 --> 01:30:13,239
lessened a bit, but still very active the caste system. Right,

1493
01:30:13,319 --> 01:30:16,439
the untouchables are untouchables by virtue of the comic circle.

1494
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,680
So you have this whole metaphysics informing what your idea

1495
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:26,119
of order is and what justice is. Now, for justice

1496
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,880
is so that therefore tied to the truth, and the

1497
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:34,600
truth is Christ. So that's how we should form our

1498
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:38,760
idea of justice. Right, whatever you do to another person,

1499
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:42,239
you do to Christ. That is what he says, not

1500
01:30:42,399 --> 01:30:48,000
what I say. Not some you know, deep philosophical you know, extrapolation.

1501
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:50,319
He says, what you do to the least of these

1502
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:55,359
to me, you know, you fed me, you given me drink,

1503
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,600
et cetera, et cetera, because they're made in his image.

1504
01:30:59,119 --> 01:31:03,760
That's a metaphysical reality and onto logical. So the justice

1505
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,760
we we we lack right now is because there's no

1506
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:14,479
metaphysics mm hmm. There's just ideological presuppositions and that's it.

1507
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:18,119
And that that just spins in a circle. And you know,

1508
01:31:18,399 --> 01:31:23,520
damn any uh you know objection to it because it's obvious,

1509
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:24,680
it's self evidence.

1510
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,560
Speaker 6: That's I'm sorry, mad I'm gonna kick this over to

1511
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,239
you for a second because I want you to explain,

1512
01:31:31,279 --> 01:31:32,840
to turn the other cheek for a second, and then

1513
01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:34,560
whatever you want else you want to talk about it.

1514
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:39,920
But the that's why I say that the core I've

1515
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:44,119
done I did a mini series and early last year

1516
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:49,000
we're talking about civilizational destroyers. Right things that cia civilizational killers.

1517
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:53,560
One is individualism, but the grandfather of all civilizational killers

1518
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:57,319
is nominalism. With the reduction of everything down to the

1519
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:03,239
material and and component parts. Is a civilizational destroyer. Now

1520
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,359
it makes sense that was developed by a mercantile navy,

1521
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:12,399
UH civilization, the British UH back in the sixteen hundreds.

1522
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,760
It makes sense to produce every from their perspective, to

1523
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,119
reduce everything down to material parts, because that's what you're

1524
01:32:18,199 --> 01:32:21,359
what you're selling, right, You're you You've you've made your

1525
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,800
entire culture a mercantile culture. So now if you want

1526
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:26,600
to build rubber boots, well you need to go to

1527
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:30,000
places where there was rubber, extract the rubber, produce the rubber,

1528
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,920
bring to factory, produce the producer boots, put on a market,

1529
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:36,079
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You're breaking all these

1530
01:32:36,119 --> 01:32:40,039
things down to it's almost atomic uh materia. But when

1531
01:32:40,039 --> 01:32:43,039
you extend that into the into metaphysical categories and you

1532
01:32:43,119 --> 01:32:48,680
assume them, suddenly you get modern day scientism, which is

1533
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,600
evolution and all these other things. You're stuck with what

1534
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:55,239
is and now you have to reverse engineer what is

1535
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:59,039
into what it could be in terms of component parts. Well,

1536
01:32:59,399 --> 01:33:02,199
it doesn't work because that's why you get dinosaurs have

1537
01:33:02,319 --> 01:33:04,119
feathers now, because you could think, well, now the new

1538
01:33:04,199 --> 01:33:07,840
claim is, well, chickens were dinosaurs, therefore dinosaurs must have

1539
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:12,199
feathers because because freaking chickens, right, And that's where you

1540
01:33:12,279 --> 01:33:12,800
lose people.

1541
01:33:13,239 --> 01:33:16,119
Speaker 10: It's the bones, because you can tell because of the bones.

1542
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:20,520
It's stupid and and it fools you until you do

1543
01:33:21,119 --> 01:33:23,239
the most rudimentary And this is what the whole point

1544
01:33:23,279 --> 01:33:25,439
of this whole series friend or Fed was about, is

1545
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:29,000
questioning your priors. The moment you question one prior and

1546
01:33:29,119 --> 01:33:33,640
pull one little thread, the entire stack collapses. And that

1547
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:35,640
is what is terrifying people.

1548
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:41,039
Speaker 6: I understand why that is. We're not just attacking an

1549
01:33:41,119 --> 01:33:45,119
idea or a concept or a person or a tightly

1550
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:49,039
held belief you might have about something. We're attacking entire

1551
01:33:49,239 --> 01:33:52,359
world views. And I've been through this. It's not freaking

1552
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:56,399
fun to realize not just you're wrong about an opinion

1553
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,560
or a fact or a thing, No, you're wrong about reality.

1554
01:34:01,239 --> 01:34:04,119
And to have that reality cascade happened to you. For

1555
01:34:04,279 --> 01:34:09,359
most people is basically are you're basically attacking their family,

1556
01:34:10,039 --> 01:34:12,920
and they will fight you as if you're you know,

1557
01:34:13,079 --> 01:34:16,319
you're you're punching Grandma at the table like it's it's

1558
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:20,239
it's that visceral. So I I I get why why

1559
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:24,920
these conversations aren't popular, but what they need to happen,

1560
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:28,000
and they need to happen on an individual basis and

1561
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:32,039
in family groups and around a coffee hour. You need

1562
01:34:32,119 --> 01:34:35,800
to attack all these held these health traditions, because if

1563
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:40,520
you think it's just left and right or you know, uh, Democrat, Republican,

1564
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,439
you're not getting it. You're in the frame. You've got

1565
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:45,359
to break the frame. And the only way to break

1566
01:34:45,399 --> 01:34:49,239
the frame is understand that your ideas of individualism, nominalism,

1567
01:34:49,359 --> 01:34:52,920
your whole concept of reality is askew. It's not reality.

1568
01:34:54,159 --> 01:35:00,279
Speaker 2: Western civilization is just virtualism. That's what we're being to someone,

1569
01:35:00,319 --> 01:35:04,560
even someone like Tucker Carls, Right, that's what he keeps saying.

1570
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:09,880
Mm hmmm, Uh, that's not true. First of all, I

1571
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:17,399
keep saying, like communism is a Western idea, Communism Marxism, right,

1572
01:35:18,119 --> 01:35:21,640
It's antecedents come from France, and then Marx sort of

1573
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:28,159
creates this successful branding procedure. But it's it's not an

1574
01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:34,960
Eastern thing. Engles wasn't wasn't Russian, neither was Marx. Uh,

1575
01:35:36,399 --> 01:35:41,640
you can get it, but it's funded.

1576
01:35:41,399 --> 01:35:46,079
Speaker 4: Why there was mm hmm. There was just this spot

1577
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:49,159
that I had a while back that I'm part of

1578
01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:50,760
this isn't original. A lot of people have made this

1579
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:54,399
observation that liberalism is is a derivative of of Christianity.

1580
01:35:55,039 --> 01:35:57,479
It's like a hallowed out derivative of Christianity, where it's

1581
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,880
it's wanting to retain the it's wanting to retain the superstructure,

1582
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:04,039
but it has taken out the heart of it because

1583
01:36:04,359 --> 01:36:07,640
and what it's done is it's taken the personhood of

1584
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:12,840
Christ and replaced it with the individual. This abstract conception

1585
01:36:13,239 --> 01:36:17,359
of a hypothetical individual that every single time you hear,

1586
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,399
like a libertarian or something talk about the rights of

1587
01:36:20,399 --> 01:36:22,319
an individual, they're not talking about the rights of of

1588
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:25,760
of that individual. They're talking about the rights of the

1589
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:27,880
abstract individual.

1590
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 2: The ethereal individual.

1591
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And so this is why it it's kind

1592
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,720
of ironic that the almost like paradoxical that the more

1593
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,840
the more, the deeper and deeper into materialism that that

1594
01:36:39,039 --> 01:36:42,119
we've we've dived as a as a as a civilization,

1595
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:47,720
the more abstracted and decontextualized and atomized we've become.

1596
01:36:48,079 --> 01:36:52,520
Speaker 2: Because that's the only option, right, Yeah, you can't if

1597
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:57,159
you're going to assimilate, you have to release the strictions.

1598
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 4: Right, right, And if you don't have and if you

1599
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,920
don't have the person who have Christ, if you lose

1600
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:03,960
that concept of personhood by removing Christ from it, then

1601
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:08,359
you necessarily don't have an incarnated worldview. Your your worldview

1602
01:37:08,399 --> 01:37:13,039
by definition, cannot be incarnated. It's incoherent, it will not cohere.

1603
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,800
And so then you start chasing yourself around in circles

1604
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:18,800
and you get these debates conservative versus progressive that are

1605
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:22,079
ultimately just kind of there is no coherence to them

1606
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,520
because you don't you're not, they're not. Neither one is

1607
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:28,479
grounded in anything. They're they're they're they're trying to to

1608
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,479
uh like invent themselves in real time.

1609
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 2: It's like a checkpoint in video games. Right, We've got

1610
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:39,239
to this particular point with these particular conclusions. So we

1611
01:37:39,319 --> 01:37:42,199
have a save game now, so we can only go

1612
01:37:42,319 --> 01:37:42,720
back to that.

1613
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:44,319
Speaker 6: Right.

1614
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 2: Uh, that's how I think of it at least. Uh.

1615
01:37:49,279 --> 01:37:52,720
And you you cannot question any of those things because

1616
01:37:52,760 --> 01:38:00,439
those are the evident self evidence. And when we talk

1617
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:05,920
about individualism, there is no such thing because there's no

1618
01:38:06,199 --> 01:38:11,000
such concept. As you said, it's an ethereal individual, but

1619
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:16,960
all of us are products of our time. That's also

1620
01:38:17,039 --> 01:38:21,199
how you know, part of how we see theosis, Right,

1621
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:26,079
you were affected by it Ontologically, you're affected by participating

1622
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:29,359
in the energies of either God or the demons. Right,

1623
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:33,640
that changes you. And in different settings you are, you know,

1624
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:40,760
exposed to different levels of either and obviously God knows

1625
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:44,159
how to you know, factor in your ignorance and everything.

1626
01:38:44,279 --> 01:38:50,119
So that's that's a whole separate issue. But would I

1627
01:38:50,279 --> 01:38:53,680
be myself fifty years ago had I been born fifty

1628
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:59,640
years ago? No, No, because I changed anything, you wouldn't

1629
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:03,039
be you, right, Right, you can change so things that

1630
01:39:03,159 --> 01:39:07,560
are much less impactful, rather than you know, me having

1631
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:10,840
access to all of the books and stuff I found

1632
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:15,520
on the Internet that here in survey I just couldn't find. Right,

1633
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,239
all the languages I have been able to learn is

1634
01:39:18,319 --> 01:39:24,319
because I had the Internet. Right. So the music you

1635
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:29,399
listened to a couple of days ago, we had a

1636
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:35,000
stream and on Garrett Dawn's channel, And I said, the

1637
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:40,239
only way even the richest person in the world a

1638
01:39:40,279 --> 01:39:43,760
couple of hundred years ago but listened to like classical

1639
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:48,640
music was to have this giant orchestra of highly trained,

1640
01:39:49,279 --> 01:39:54,840
expensively equipped, and highly coordinated people would perform it for you.

1641
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:59,000
So it would happen every once in a while for

1642
01:39:59,239 --> 01:40:01,359
even the richest person. And I can just go and

1643
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:05,560
tap a couple of times on my my phone screen

1644
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:09,880
and there you go. It's blastom into my ears. Right,

1645
01:40:11,039 --> 01:40:13,359
that's part of what forms you. What music you listen

1646
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:18,319
to really really forms what films you watch, what content

1647
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:22,760
you consume on a regular basis intellecture also what forms

1648
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,880
you you have. You have communists from from from history.

1649
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,760
If they had never heard of Marx, they wouldn't have

1650
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:30,680
been Marxists.

1651
01:40:31,399 --> 01:40:34,640
Speaker 6: It's interesting, especially from the from the from the Isteran

1652
01:40:35,039 --> 01:40:38,600
European school, like for example, you know Chopin. It's not

1653
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,640
as a Valkan in Poland, but as he's Chopin is

1654
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:47,159
like a national hero, right mean Choppins.

1655
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:50,640
Speaker 2: Chopins like like chopping.

1656
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:58,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, broccoli, bloody, bloody poles. But to your point, most

1657
01:40:58,359 --> 01:41:01,680
polls have have never heard I mean, now maybe modern pores,

1658
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:07,439
but quatrical they wouldn't have well, list.

1659
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:13,159
Speaker 2: That ends list right from France, list from Hungary right,

1660
01:41:14,039 --> 01:41:17,119
et cetera. And obviously Russians have lots of big ones.

1661
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:23,319
But again when you think about things with bark, lots

1662
01:41:23,319 --> 01:41:27,439
of people would have heard his like pieces for the organ, right,

1663
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:31,159
because it would have played in church, but even then

1664
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:34,720
pretty much localized to where he was. Because he didn't

1665
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:39,000
his works didn't become famous until after his death. So

1666
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:43,920
then people will say, oh, but this is a civilization

1667
01:41:44,039 --> 01:41:46,760
of produced X Y, and say, okay, but how many

1668
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:50,520
people will participants in that exact thing. How much is

1669
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:53,479
it the chicken? How much is it the a? The

1670
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:58,920
same thing with intellectual products. Right, I've heard so many

1671
01:41:59,079 --> 01:42:05,640
bloody Englishman say things like England never gave birth to

1672
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:13,640
a tyrant, and you're like, interesting theory. I think there's

1673
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:17,800
this Cromwell guy, you know, I'm not sure if you've

1674
01:42:18,079 --> 01:42:18,720
heard of him.

1675
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, there's the entire British imperial system.

1676
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's that's not top tyranny. That's just

1677
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:29,399
you know, the product of its time.

1678
01:42:31,279 --> 01:42:34,119
Speaker 6: Really, you know, I mean, yeah, that's that's the interesting

1679
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:37,800
thing that we talked about for for the last almost

1680
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,720
two years, I've been talking about the the city of

1681
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:44,239
London and the involvement. That's even the the idea that

1682
01:42:44,319 --> 01:42:47,680
Matt and I've floated out that the American Empire hasn't

1683
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:49,560
even started and when you look at like things like

1684
01:42:51,319 --> 01:42:55,720
Sofur and America just basically reclaiming the control of its

1685
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:56,880
own currency for the first time.

1686
01:42:56,920 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 3: It's entire history history.

1687
01:42:59,239 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 6: These I ideas of there being this global American empire

1688
01:43:04,199 --> 01:43:07,279
kind of fade away, right, It's formally you have this thing.

1689
01:43:07,319 --> 01:43:11,800
It's certainly the military wing of the of the global Alliance,

1690
01:43:12,279 --> 01:43:16,039
but it's it's exactly, but it's not the controlling branch

1691
01:43:16,119 --> 01:43:17,920
of it. And now we're starting to see in me

1692
01:43:18,039 --> 01:43:19,720
this is somebody we can talk about with you, Posh,

1693
01:43:20,119 --> 01:43:24,079
since you're out there. I mean Europe is is we

1694
01:43:24,279 --> 01:43:27,239
just now had reports that the the EU did the

1695
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:31,880
the to the dumb thing. Now they have frozen Russian assets.

1696
01:43:33,399 --> 01:43:36,520
Speaker 11: They both has been cast. The vote has been cast.

1697
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:38,880
They changed the rulings so that they didn't have to

1698
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:44,840
have a unanimous rule. Yeah, the vote has been cast,

1699
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:45,720
and they have now.

1700
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 6: Definitely frozen Russian assets and euroclear and in European banks, which.

1701
01:43:54,279 --> 01:43:58,079
Speaker 2: I know. I just if the Russians are gone and say, shoot.

1702
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,800
Speaker 6: Well, not only of that. Here's here's the craziest thing

1703
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:05,800
is that not just of course, the Russian response is

1704
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:09,680
gonna be lawsuits and international rules based orders now and

1705
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:14,399
the windows. We watch the big the big, big response,

1706
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:18,159
Paush is We're waiting to see is how China, Saudi Arabia,

1707
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:21,479
and India are gonna respond, because I guarantee you, if

1708
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,199
you are any country that might be on the outs

1709
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,960
of our being have been slandered by the European Union

1710
01:44:28,039 --> 01:44:31,119
in the last oh no, five minutes, you're gonna pull

1711
01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:35,119
your money out. And so now the European Union is

1712
01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:38,479
going to go bankrupt incredibly fast. This is something I've

1713
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,239
been tracking, We've I've been talking about since last year.

1714
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:45,119
We've been tracking the bond markets in Japan. Uh and

1715
01:44:45,279 --> 01:44:47,439
now they're they're in they're in the death Now somebody

1716
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:51,319
saying we're going to break international the international rules based order.

1717
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:55,359
We're gonna break it now, and still blame Trump and

1718
01:44:55,399 --> 01:44:57,119
all the rest of them for what they're doing in Venezuela,

1719
01:44:57,479 --> 01:45:00,119
which to me is like what what Trump and them

1720
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:04,119
are doing in Venezuela are peanuts? Like literally like what

1721
01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:04,640
are you talking?

1722
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:08,399
Speaker 2: It's we're talking that it's nothing compared to what's happening

1723
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:08,920
in Europe.

1724
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 6: Right.

1725
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 2: So there's one country that was very opposed to the

1726
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:20,000
whole thing, called Belgium, probably because they'll get the ship

1727
01:45:20,119 --> 01:45:28,399
for it, right, the euroclear thing, Oh dear so, But

1728
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:35,079
we have expert people like Ursula vonder Leon who as

1729
01:45:35,359 --> 01:45:41,600
a Defense Minister of Germany wanted to have their armored

1730
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:45,520
vehicles up to a regulation to be able to be

1731
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:53,880
operated by pregnant. So we're dealing with top tier strategic thinking.

1732
01:45:54,800 --> 01:46:02,520
Oh high, Oh yeah, it's just the peak of European thought.

1733
01:46:04,119 --> 01:46:08,319
As they said, Kayak Calas and Mark Rutter and all

1734
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:12,199
these people like them as pathetic bunch. You can imagine

1735
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:15,079
for the I don't know, for those of you who

1736
01:46:15,159 --> 01:46:18,600
are in the chat and maybe not following politics that much,

1737
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:22,880
you know what it's like when an American president reaches

1738
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:27,159
like thirty five percent approval rating, and it's like seeing

1739
01:46:27,319 --> 01:46:33,960
as they see you as the devil. Meanwhile, people like

1740
01:46:34,119 --> 01:46:40,760
Starma and Macrown and Mats Okay, not Mats, he's in

1741
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:45,560
the twenties, but Starmer and Macarena in the low teens

1742
01:46:46,159 --> 01:46:51,279
of approval ratings. So we see you are falling apart. Basically,

1743
01:46:52,399 --> 01:46:56,359
they have no energy. They can import some from America.

1744
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,840
All the things promised about the weapons they're not even

1745
01:47:00,039 --> 01:47:04,039
reduced yet. So all the things they're buying to give

1746
01:47:04,199 --> 01:47:08,640
Ukraine aren't coming. They will come in maybe a couple

1747
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:09,079
of years.

1748
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 6: Good luck with that.

1749
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:17,279
Speaker 2: But it's such such a such a ridiculous thing we're

1750
01:47:17,359 --> 01:47:22,560
dealing with, and it's because the entire ideological system is

1751
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:28,760
will crumble if Russia gets an obvious win, because all

1752
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:33,760
the people in power have wasted such billions upon billions

1753
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:39,359
of euros, pounds or whichever currency they might be using

1754
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:46,199
on this project, and you lost. So your entire face

1755
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:50,000
is like, it's we the West, We are the keepers

1756
01:47:50,039 --> 01:47:54,119
of peace and justice across the world and everything. And

1757
01:47:54,279 --> 01:47:59,239
then this Petrol State sorry gas station you know with

1758
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:00,720
you feed you.

1759
01:48:02,399 --> 01:48:05,439
Speaker 6: Really and is now and is now the most powerful

1760
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:06,319
military in the world.

1761
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:08,479
Speaker 2: Yes, because you forced them to be.

1762
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,600
Speaker 6: I know, and I know Americans don't like hearing this

1763
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:15,119
when I bring this up, and Matt, I'm gonna kick

1764
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:17,279
it to you for a second because I know you're

1765
01:48:17,399 --> 01:48:23,119
you're the Trump standing in the room, and I've been

1766
01:48:23,239 --> 01:48:27,119
very clear about this. I'm I'm generally speaking ambivalent because

1767
01:48:27,159 --> 01:48:29,119
my position is being in a Canadian living in Australia,

1768
01:48:29,279 --> 01:48:31,680
no one wants to hear them about me on domestic policy.

1769
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:34,680
But when we talk about about geopolitics, I can weigh

1770
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:40,359
in the the the stunning effects of this, and I

1771
01:48:40,479 --> 01:48:42,760
know Matt, you and I listened to the same people.

1772
01:48:43,239 --> 01:48:45,399
I think this is coordinated because if you're if if,

1773
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:49,239
if Europe, or the the bank of the Sea of London,

1774
01:48:49,399 --> 01:48:52,159
whatever spooky, wooky group you want to call it, right,

1775
01:48:52,359 --> 01:48:54,800
is the enemy that that is, that is on the

1776
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:58,319
front lines being defeated. What they're being defeated. They literally

1777
01:48:58,399 --> 01:49:03,199
just defeated themselves, the the the I don't think people

1778
01:49:03,359 --> 01:49:08,600
understand the extent of this Euroclear decision. This Euroclear decision

1779
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:14,760
is is worse than the bombs dropped on here, Nagasaki,

1780
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:19,439
in Hiroshima. This is an economic death knel for Europe.

1781
01:49:20,239 --> 01:49:26,560
It's brutal. I'm still trying to process how e f

1782
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:31,000
and stupid this is because it's basically saying to the

1783
01:49:31,079 --> 01:49:34,920
rest of the world, you cannot trust us rules based

1784
01:49:35,039 --> 01:49:36,399
international rules based order.

1785
01:49:37,079 --> 01:49:41,560
Speaker 2: By yeah, can I shortly say before Matt gets in,

1786
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:49,199
the entire project is born out of desperation. As I said,

1787
01:49:50,199 --> 01:49:53,399
they don't have any other option if they want to

1788
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:56,680
stay in power for at least a bit longer. Their

1789
01:49:56,760 --> 01:50:01,520
position is barely better than the Lenskaps because they will

1790
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:05,840
look fools at the end of Someone asked me earlier

1791
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:11,600
to say the great no gand of the gray fool

1792
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:20,520
you not. I'm just saying what was repressed, And then

1793
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:21,680
Russia just passed like.

1794
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:25,119
Speaker 7: No, no.

1795
01:50:25,359 --> 01:50:29,319
Speaker 2: What they'll get from that is you said, Russia is right,

1796
01:50:30,199 --> 01:50:33,520
so sorry, and Europe is gandal trying to defend the

1797
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:39,920
little hobbits is But as you said, it's a massive

1798
01:50:40,399 --> 01:50:45,479
financial blunder coming from a region of the world that

1799
01:50:45,640 --> 01:50:52,880
has intentionally de industrialized, leaving itself mostly to services and finances.

1800
01:50:55,680 --> 01:51:02,279
Speaker 6: It's Volkswagen Volk just close their plant in Dresden for

1801
01:51:02,359 --> 01:51:07,760
the first time. I think, I think right. It was

1802
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:11,840
established by I've been tracking. I honestly thought that the

1803
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,439
bond market collapse would happen. I knew it was going

1804
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:16,960
to happen in a sorry, Matt, We'll kick to you

1805
01:51:17,119 --> 01:51:22,399
right right after this. Uh, eventually we should just we

1806
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:24,239
should just do this, posh. You and I just just

1807
01:51:24,359 --> 01:51:25,720
traded Matt.

1808
01:51:26,279 --> 01:51:27,680
Speaker 2: Eventually, Matt will get