Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys
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Speaker 2: Five stary s and me today listening, Oh watchy, lim
Speaker 2: always keep its watchy.
Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 4: Greetings, Bobo. How you doing today, sir?
Speaker 5: Not too shabby? How's going with you?
Speaker 4: Not too shabby either. There's been some little bit of
Speaker 4: shab here and there, but for the most part, I'm shabless.
Speaker 5: Nice. That's a good way to do. I gotta say, Cliff,
Speaker 5: you're not You're not too shabby always, You're never shabby.
Speaker 3: You flatter me.
Speaker 4: What do you bet? Hey, Bobo, this is your second
Speaker 4: week of a job. But what's it like being a
Speaker 4: working joe working four or five days a week or
Speaker 4: third week?
Speaker 3: Third week? Don't care how you how? You holding up?
Speaker 5: Pretty good. It's a challenging. It's the schools up here
Speaker 5: were up so long for like COVID, that the kids,
Speaker 5: I guess are just so far behind on like social
Speaker 5: structure and class etiquette. And I was talking with all
Speaker 5: the teachers today, not all of them, but several of
Speaker 5: them at lunch and they were like, they said, it's
Speaker 5: just it's just a different ballgame, full different animal of
Speaker 5: the kids now that two years, especially at this age,
Speaker 5: I was in fifth grade the day because I roam
Speaker 5: and I was in the fifth grade class, and so
Speaker 5: those kids missed, you know, like first second grade, like
Speaker 5: they just were at home, like learning over zoom and zoom. Like,
Speaker 5: you know, trying to keep a six or seven year
Speaker 5: old focus on a zoom call for seven hours a day.
Speaker 5: Whatever it was, I guess didn't really bad classroom decorum
Speaker 5: and such.
Speaker 3: No, no, trying to keep three guys in their forties
Speaker 3: and fifties focused on a zoom callege.
Speaker 4: Yeah, says our producer. Right, well, you know, I really
Speaker 4: feel like I really feel like I probably got out
Speaker 4: of teaching at a really good time, and I think
Speaker 4: today's teachers I haven't taught since before finding Bigfoot. Of course,
Speaker 4: my last year in the classroom was twenty ten. I
Speaker 4: believe you teach every day, Cliff, I do. It's different.
Speaker 4: It's different though I don't. I don't wrangle a group
Speaker 4: of thirty of them or twenty five or thirty of
Speaker 4: them every single day. And it's just a different gig now.
Speaker 4: Especially with COVID taking a break, you know, out of
Speaker 4: their education for a couple of.
Speaker 3: Years, and I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, being an elementary school teacher for so long,
Speaker 4: I've got some pretty strong opinions about the way things go.
Speaker 4: And I think generally speaking, you know that we don't
Speaker 4: have such a terrible education system here in the United States,
Speaker 4: because I see the blood, sweat, and tears that these
Speaker 4: teachers pour into the classroom every single day. But I
Speaker 4: do see that teachers in the school system in general
Speaker 4: is very easy to throw rocks at for politicians and
Speaker 4: other people who are looking for a nice scape go,
Speaker 4: but they don't understand what goes on in the trenches
Speaker 4: and in the staggering challenges that teachers have to deal with.
Speaker 4: You know, twenty five or thirty people children coming to
Speaker 4: you from a variety of backgrounds and socioeconomic conditions and
Speaker 4: language abilities and everything like that, and you have them
Speaker 4: in one class and you have to perform miracles every
Speaker 4: single day with them, and somehow it all kind of
Speaker 4: works out more or less, you know, trying to address
Speaker 4: every single student's need. And so I'm kind of happy
Speaker 4: that you're in the classroom, you know, because another thing
Speaker 4: that you and I can share together is just like
Speaker 4: being veterans of that war zone, you know, and really
Speaker 4: it's a war of love of anything.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: We support these students and children everything we can do
Speaker 4: to help them succeed and help them become better thems,
Speaker 4: you know, better people, true to themselves.
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, it's kind of tough to keep that
Speaker 5: line of trying to be firm and make them do
Speaker 5: stuff and still be like not alienated and all that,
Speaker 5: because the kids there are so sense. They're like they
Speaker 5: you know, they got like I need my space and
Speaker 5: I can just walk out of a classroom, you know
Speaker 5: and go walk around for ten minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that that that'd be kind of tough. But
Speaker 4: you know that that therein lies an opportunity for trust.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I have often said, I, if you want to to
Speaker 4: be trustworthy, you have you have to take a chance
Speaker 4: and trust, you know. And and and of course that
Speaker 4: also teaches them when they screw up, when they go
Speaker 4: fool around and do stuff that they shouldn't be doing.
Speaker 4: Then you say, okay, well here's a consequence for that.
Speaker 4: You know, our trust goes two ways here, and there's
Speaker 4: consequences to, you know, not so much disobeying. You know,
Speaker 4: it's never that kind of teacher. But you know, we
Speaker 4: had an agreement. We hadn't We had a written unwritten
Speaker 4: contract here, and you violated it. So now there's a
Speaker 4: consequence to it. And if that ain't life, man, I
Speaker 4: don't know what is, because that's the way everything works.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they're I love them. They're they're great, you know,
Speaker 5: they're they're they're fun.
Speaker 4: The challenges presented to teachers and professional educators, I don't
Speaker 4: want to just know with the teachers, because that's only one,
Speaker 4: you know, one person on the team there. You know,
Speaker 4: professional educators like yourself, you know, going into the classrooms
Speaker 4: and doing this and being done in the trenches. I
Speaker 4: can't sing praises high enough, and I think unless you've
Speaker 4: been there and seen it, you're unlikely to sing praises
Speaker 4: in that same sort of way. But I encourage every
Speaker 4: parent who has a student in public school to go volunteer,
Speaker 4: go see what it's really like, and you know, pay
Speaker 4: some dues.
Speaker 7: I guess in some ways, especially parents need to get
Speaker 7: in there and see what's going on. I know a
Speaker 7: lot of them are too busy and jobs and this
Speaker 7: and that. But they can take a day off once
Speaker 7: in a while and get in there at least once
Speaker 7: a year, you know, get in there with your kid
Speaker 7: and see what's shaken.
Speaker 4: Oh and also you know, there's really strong research that
Speaker 4: shows a direct correlation between parent involvement and student performance essentially,
Speaker 4: so even I mean I've said that to my parents
Speaker 4: all the time parent conferences or whatever. So yeah, seeving
Speaker 4: committed the classroom, do something involved with the school, show
Speaker 4: up because if you show up, that shows your student,
Speaker 4: your your child, that school is important and and you care.
Speaker 4: The family cares about it. So yeah, I think every
Speaker 4: parent should be involved to some degree. You know, you
Speaker 4: don't have to be in the classroom every week or
Speaker 4: something like that, but you know if you can come,
Speaker 4: you know, once a month or something even coming by
Speaker 4: the school, that that that actually literally will help your
Speaker 4: students perform better. Simple, the simplest things, man, the simplest
Speaker 4: things improve a student's likelihood of success. You know, in
Speaker 4: the school labyrinth that all of us are kind of
Speaker 4: put through. Anyway, we stop to hear you that you're
Speaker 4: digging your job.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's it's rewarding.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 4: And you know, what and students out there. I'm sure
Speaker 4: we have a lot of young listeners as well. If
Speaker 4: you can navigate the labyrinth of education, you too can
Speaker 4: have a big Foot podcast with one of your best
Speaker 4: friends and earn beer money on it.
Speaker 5: Young people aren't earning beer money.
Speaker 4: Cliff now, because they're way better at social media than
Speaker 4: we are. They're probably earning a living.
Speaker 5: So I got some listener questions line.
Speaker 4: The Yeah it is that day. It's the Q and
Speaker 4: A Day, my favorite of the month as far as
Speaker 4: podcasting goes, where we get to get questions directly from
Speaker 4: our listeners and of course you guys listening out there.
Speaker 4: You can submit questions to us anything you want to know.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to be Bigfoot related. Most questions seem
Speaker 4: to be, but it doesn't have to be. It's not
Speaker 4: like we're a one dimensional kind of people up here.
Speaker 4: You know, we're not one dimensional folks. We do other
Speaker 4: things in our life, have other interests as well, just Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: It seems to be our favorite. So you can ask
Speaker 4: us questions. You can either write us or you can
Speaker 4: actually call us and leave a message, which is always
Speaker 4: a lot of fun. And Matt Prue will put the
Speaker 4: links to those kind of things down in the show notes,
Speaker 4: so feel free to check those out. Should we start
Speaker 4: with a call though, bobes, what do you think?
Speaker 5: Oh, you know what, I was just gonna say, Prue,
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what's part of when in, But when
Speaker 5: I told that ghost story from Hawaii about the big
Speaker 5: party at a pipeline, I actually found some pictures from
Speaker 5: from the party. I was going to send them to post.
Speaker 3: Oh, let's do it. That reminds me. We got an
Speaker 3: email from a listener named Christian who wrote to say
Speaker 3: that he loved Bobo's North Shore ghost story and said
Speaker 3: that Volcom House in the early two thousands was an
Speaker 3: exclusive spot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was, Well, Bobo was an exclusive guest there
Speaker 4: you go see us. So somebody knew what kind of
Speaker 4: what you were talking about at the Vulcom House. Vulcm House,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about. So I just
Speaker 3: sit back and listen.
Speaker 5: It's just a clothing company that had like has a
Speaker 5: diamond kind of shape logo.
Speaker 4: I just listened to your verbage cascade over my years
Speaker 4: and tickle my brain. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3: Hey, Matt.
Speaker 4: Did we get any other fun feedback from any of
Speaker 4: those episodes?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there was a message here from a listener
Speaker 3: named Brodie who says he's been a big fan for
Speaker 3: a long time and said that he loved the ghost
Speaker 3: Stories episode, thought it was a great idea, and said,
Speaker 3: I love hearing ghost stories from anyone, but from Bobo
Speaker 3: and Cliff is really such a treat. Can can we
Speaker 3: do this every year? And I think that should be
Speaker 3: the case.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys will have any new
Speaker 3: ghost stories by next year, but I'm certain we could
Speaker 3: do ghost themed episodes. We've done ghost or spooky themed
Speaker 3: episodes for Halloween for the last couple of years, so
Speaker 3: we can keep that trend going for sure.
Speaker 4: Oh you know, speaking of spooky stuff, Bob, but you
Speaker 4: saw the picture I sent you of Greg and Dana
Speaker 4: Nwkirk coming to the museum. Yeah, Oh, what a pleasure
Speaker 4: it was to connect back with them again. By the way, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I miss those guys, really really really nice folks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they came in with a couple of their friends and
Speaker 4: they were they were very, very.
Speaker 3: Impressed with the museum.
Speaker 4: They had I guess a gig in town or something
Speaker 4: and they're on they do a tour now because they
Speaker 4: have a very very strong Patreon, you know, membership sort
Speaker 4: of thing that they do when they do like I
Speaker 4: don't know what they do because I'm not a member
Speaker 4: or anything, but I know they do like member meetings
Speaker 4: kind of like I do at the museum, and they
Speaker 4: do like they used to do, like Witchy Thing of
Speaker 4: the Month club or something like that. They've got a
Speaker 4: lot of really interesting and creative ways to please their patrons,
Speaker 4: you know. But they also do a podcast now, and
Speaker 4: what a pleasure it was. I think they had a
Speaker 4: very very successful gig and they're singing the praises of
Speaker 4: the museum. So Greg and Dana sure appreciate that. In fact,
Speaker 4: when Greg and Dana were at the museum, some customers
Speaker 4: came in. They're like pointing over to where we're standing,
Speaker 4: like and I'm thinking, of course, like, oh, they recognized me.
Speaker 4: Now they didn't recognize me. They recognized Greg and Dana.
Speaker 4: They didn't know who I was, which is awesome. And
Speaker 4: then they came over and they took pictures with Greg
Speaker 4: and Dana. That's hilarious, super funny, super funny because you know,
Speaker 4: at the museum. I'm kind of used to being recognized,
Speaker 4: and so probably the only place I am recognized nowadays,
Speaker 4: honestly because people know I own it or whatever. So
Speaker 4: I thought that was awesome, pulling the rug out of
Speaker 4: from underneath my what's left and my ego. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: what a pleasure it was to hang out with them.
Speaker 4: So and of course hats off to them. You know
Speaker 4: why they're so great too, to me at least, is
Speaker 4: that they're the only paranormal sort of folks that are
Speaker 4: out there and saying, you know what, you're just projecting
Speaker 4: that onto an experience is probably not paranormal at all,
Speaker 4: or they I've also seen them say well, there's a
Speaker 4: whole lot of mental illness in the paranormal community, you know,
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, like really kind of harsh critiques
Speaker 4: of the community that they're bathing in. And I've said
Speaker 4: similar things about the Bigfoot community and stuff. And of
Speaker 4: course I get a lot of like poop flick at
Speaker 4: me because of that, but I'm sure they do as well.
Speaker 4: But they're the ones out there who are full on
Speaker 4: one hundred and ten percent paranormal, but out there with
Speaker 4: a very very skeptical eye and saying that, you know what,
Speaker 4: so much of this paranormal stuff seems to be just
Speaker 4: psychology and projection, even though other real paranormal things happen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had them on the show, right, didn't we
Speaker 5: have them on like early on? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 4: They were great guests, of course, and they have their
Speaker 4: own podcast too. It might add a Haunted Objects podcast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that's the mobile museum that travel their traveling museums.
Speaker 5: It's like Haunted Objects. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm encouraging them to make a brick and mortar.
Speaker 3: I hope they do.
Speaker 4: Now there road Dogs, Yeah, they are, they're they're they're warriors,
Speaker 4: man of what they do, traveling around doing this stuff.
Speaker 4: But they sold out. I mean there's a little theater
Speaker 4: over in albert I don't know how little it is.
Speaker 4: I've never been there, but they were they sold the
Speaker 4: place out like quite a bit in advance as well.
Speaker 4: So and uh they of course Melissa and I were
Speaker 4: invited to go down as their guests, but we we
Speaker 4: just couldn't get out our dogs. So Chie she's been
Speaker 4: kind of going through some medical stuff lately, and she
Speaker 4: had gone to the vet twice in one week, and
Speaker 4: you know, and one of one of which was the
Speaker 4: very same day, so we didn't want to like leave
Speaker 4: her and stress her out even more, so we decided
Speaker 4: to stay home. And unfortunate because I would have loved
Speaker 4: to see in greg A Dana's show and the thing
Speaker 4: they have going. I've heard great reports about it, though
Speaker 4: it's kind of like very feel good sort of positive
Speaker 4: thing centered around empowering their their their audience, I guess,
Speaker 4: you know, to do their own investigations. I wish I
Speaker 4: could have seen it.
Speaker 5: So she must be in bad shape with melissaus that.
Speaker 4: She's probably gonna have to have her thumb amputated, you know,
Speaker 4: her dew claw, the big infection, and there's a tumor
Speaker 4: in it and stuff they're seeing if it's cancer is
Speaker 4: there's things going on with soci. I've got that she's
Speaker 4: got some issues right now, and I'm of course we're
Speaker 4: devastated about it, but you know, so she's our everything,
Speaker 4: you know, so we're kind of like wading through the
Speaker 4: veterinarian pool at this moment. So, yeah, she goes under
Speaker 4: the knife this weekend on Sunday.
Speaker 5: We had it.
Speaker 4: We was scheduled for later in the month, but when
Speaker 4: the surgeon saw it, she she goes, you know, we
Speaker 4: need to do this sooner rather than later. Let's get
Speaker 4: this taken care of. So she's gonna go. We're gonna
Speaker 4: go cut off her dew claw, her thumb basically on Sunday,
Speaker 4: and god, I mean, her handwriting is terrible now, I
Speaker 4: can't imagine what it's going to be after she loses.
Speaker 3: So and keeping with the spooky theme, I'll pull one
Speaker 3: of the questions out of order because one of the
Speaker 3: questions was about that. But I will say too, we
Speaker 3: did that great Halloween release members only episode and people
Speaker 3: really really love that, which reminded me if you're thinking
Speaker 3: about becoming a member, dear listener, we now offer annual
Speaker 3: memberships and that's at ten percent off, so you're you're
Speaker 3: going to get like a pretty good discount. There a
Speaker 3: ten percent discount to do an annual membership. And then,
Speaker 3: like I said in the prelude to last week's episode,
Speaker 3: if you're an Apple user, make sure if you're about
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Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: This question came in. We'll jump out of order here
Speaker 3: starting with the voicemail. Since we were talking about the
Speaker 3: Halloween episode. I really thought this was fun, and so
Speaker 3: we'll pop this one in first.
Speaker 4: Okay, I see my name in capitol letters here. I'll
Speaker 4: go ahead and read this one. Bobes all right, Jen Serrata,
Speaker 4: I think, says Cliff. I just listened to your Halloween episode.
Speaker 4: This has nothing to do with Bigfoot, But I too
Speaker 4: have seen a seven foot tall easter bunny when I
Speaker 4: was seven years old. I have told no one, not
Speaker 4: even my husband of twenty five years. Please tell me
Speaker 4: the bunny you saw was pink and white.
Speaker 3: I need to know I'm not alone.
Speaker 4: I don't you know what. Honestly, it was dark, so
Speaker 4: everything in the dark is kind of like black and whitish,
Speaker 4: and actually my memory of it is also black and white.
Speaker 4: Now that I'm looking at it, I kind of got
Speaker 4: the impression it was yellowish, but that's probably from outside sources,
Speaker 4: because wasn't that a rabbit and Winnie the Pooh like
Speaker 4: yellowish and I kind of always associated that rabbit. I
Speaker 4: think there was a rabbit in that as Easter buddy,
Speaker 4: So I can't say for sure, Jen if it was
Speaker 4: pink and white. I remember it was quite large, and
Speaker 4: it was at least the size of the door. It's
Speaker 4: the door frame itself, you know. And I was younger
Speaker 4: than seven. I have to tell you that I was
Speaker 4: probably two or three or so. I've got and you
Speaker 4: know how memories are from that, you know, that long ago,
Speaker 4: that stage in your life. They're all pretty wonky, they're
Speaker 4: all pretty psychedelic, you know. I don't know what color
Speaker 4: it was. I wish I had something for you.
Speaker 3: On that one, but but.
Speaker 4: It's nice to know that I'm not alone. So I
Speaker 4: suspect there wasn't a seven foot tall bipedal rabbit in
Speaker 4: my parents' house when I was at age. I suspect
Speaker 4: it's just some weird, trippy little kid thing, you know.
Speaker 5: The bunny Man, Bubble shut the Bundy Man.
Speaker 4: Now there you go. Yeah, yeah, to talk about the
Speaker 4: South Park episode that we were we were guests on,
Speaker 4: even though we didn't get to do the voices, they
Speaker 4: took our faces and put it on South Park. I
Speaker 4: assume everybody knows about that.
Speaker 3: But I love all the Bobo lines, like when the
Speaker 3: Bubo character says, Bobo thing scary, shut up for the
Speaker 3: money Baker guys like use the therm milivager and it
Speaker 3: shows that the Bobo character goes it got all orange e.
Speaker 5: All right for that's enough Bobo.
Speaker 3: Can you watch that and laugh? Now?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I get a little mad, but I think
Speaker 5: it's it's an epic episode. I mean, without without anything,
Speaker 5: without nothing to do with it, it's still It's just
Speaker 5: I love anything to do with Cartman, and that's a
Speaker 5: Cartman one.
Speaker 3: So they did watch the Bobo character. The Bobo character
Speaker 3: should have been more like, you know, like dude, what
Speaker 3: you know, like a charismatic and assertive and you know
Speaker 3: southern California. Yeah, I'm missing words here because I've been
Speaker 3: up since like three fifteen this morning. But you know,
Speaker 3: just that sort of like hyper assertive, real charismatic, not
Speaker 3: just southern California, but you know, like, come on, guys,
Speaker 3: let's go like taking charge of things, not just kind
Speaker 3: of a sheepish only ways, because that's totally not Bobo
Speaker 3: at all. So they missed that completely and.
Speaker 5: They made money. They can look great and ren they
Speaker 5: didn't talk Cliff was normal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they didn't say one word and the whole thing.
Speaker 5: No, that was hilarious.
Speaker 3: She said she got off lucky. Some suggested it might
Speaker 3: be a critique itself. I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well so I need to Yeah, that's how they
Speaker 5: take it. It was more like they weren't They weren't
Speaker 5: letting her slide. It was kind of like an underhanded slide.
Speaker 3: I would say the primo version of Bobo on screen
Speaker 3: is the Sagot episode. Once again, I would encourage all
Speaker 3: listeners to go listen to that, or go back and
Speaker 3: listen to our recap of that in Memoriam of Bob Saggat.
Speaker 3: But Bobo was on fire that weekend and a lot
Speaker 3: of that's on camera and you can tell it like
Speaker 3: Saggot loved it.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he absolutely loved it. And you know the
Speaker 4: best part of that entire episode where the out not
Speaker 4: not the outtakes, but the special features. I don't know
Speaker 4: if those are anywhere. I don't know if they're on
Speaker 4: the DVD of the Sagot stuff that he did or what.
Speaker 4: But like those little mini episodes that they put out
Speaker 4: before the release of it, where Bobo and Sagitt go
Speaker 4: to buy a Samurai sword in Port Angelus, Washington, that
Speaker 4: that was gold. That was like top top shelf Bobo.
Speaker 3: I gotta see if I can find because those used
Speaker 3: to be online, and if they still are, I'll link them,
Speaker 3: because yeah, that was That'll show you like Bobo's telling
Speaker 3: Sagot what to do every step of the way. Sagoth's like, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: there's no sheepishness whatsoever on Bobo's part.
Speaker 4: No, it was. It was comedy gold. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 4: It was skinned Bobo in top form. Well, okay, shall
Speaker 4: we continue on with the questions here?
Speaker 3: I think we can dig into it. So we got
Speaker 3: one voicemail for this month that came in and it's
Speaker 3: from a dear friend of ours.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 3: Well, it's I do kind of remember this from previous
Speaker 3: years as we got closer to the holiday season, there
Speaker 3: was less of that. Now on our member side, we've
Speaker 3: got a ton of questions. But on the made side,
Speaker 3: since the last Q and A we recorded, we've only
Speaker 3: got one voicemail. So here it is.
Speaker 6: Hey, Cliff Bobo and Matt Scott Dieter early here, longtime page,
Speaker 6: first time caller. My question for you is this, what
Speaker 6: was your age when Bigfoot captured your focus? And if
Speaker 6: you could go back in time, what words of wisdom
Speaker 6: would Cliff, Bobo and Matt of today go back and
Speaker 6: tell yourselves at the start of your journey in Sasquatry.
Speaker 6: Thanks in advance for your answers, and thanks for letting
Speaker 6: us patrons get to virtually hang out with you all
Speaker 6: twice a week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Scott's cool man. I like that guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I'd say for me, I was five, I'd say
Speaker 5: stay the course or on the right path.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think I became first interested in like
Speaker 4: when I was, you know, five years old approximately give
Speaker 4: or take a year. Actually went to kindergarten at four
Speaker 4: years old, you know, so I'm not sure, you know,
Speaker 4: somewhere in there, four or five, six years old, somewhere
Speaker 4: in there, because I was watching monster stuff. My mom
Speaker 4: was into the universal monsters and stuff. But I can't
Speaker 4: say that it became a focus of mine. I forget
Speaker 4: the word that Scott used, but it was something like that,
Speaker 4: like a focus or something. It wasn't a focus of
Speaker 4: mine until college, you know, Like I was like about
Speaker 4: twenty or twenty two or something like that at the time,
Speaker 4: and that's where I kind of jumped in the pool
Speaker 4: and never came up for air again, essentially, and I've
Speaker 4: been drowned ever since. In the beginning days, it was
Speaker 4: just an interest because I loved monsters, and you know,
Speaker 4: I think were wolves particularly scared me as a little boy,
Speaker 4: and to me, a bigfoot thing was very werewolfy, you know.
Speaker 4: And I've always kept those odd, eccentric interests. I'm kind
Speaker 4: of a weird guy. I always have been. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: there you go, and that's probably it. But as far
Speaker 4: as advice, I may have given myself the advice to
Speaker 4: pursue a degree in paleoanthropology because I think that my
Speaker 4: interest in paleo anthropology is pretty high and I think
Speaker 4: that has a whole lot to do with the subject.
Speaker 4: I think, and I've said I think I even said
Speaker 4: it last week or the week before. Is like, I
Speaker 4: think anybody who takes this bigfoot subject seriously really should
Speaker 4: study human origins. It's very insightful. I think learning about it,
Speaker 4: it creates a ton of insight for you as far
Speaker 4: as sasquatches go. Yeah, so I think I probably would
Speaker 4: have encouraged myself to do that, But knowing me, I
Speaker 4: wouldn't listen. I don't listen to advice. I'm not very
Speaker 4: good at that. It's like, you can't tell me what
Speaker 4: to do. Come on, no one's telling me what to do,
Speaker 4: not even myself exactly exactly. I remember one time I
Speaker 4: was driving on finding Bigfoot, and you were, you were,
Speaker 4: as you often did, criticizing my driving.
Speaker 5: No I was, I was teaching.
Speaker 4: Well, whatever you were doing, I'm just thinking, oh man,
Speaker 4: I remember that. So many, so many good and bad
Speaker 4: memories just flooded back to me and paralyzed my tongue
Speaker 4: for a moment. But this particular time, I remember the quote.
Speaker 4: And I still say this to this day, because you know,
Speaker 4: I was like driving and there's painted lines on the
Speaker 4: road and stop signs and things like that. And you
Speaker 4: you said you're gonna let paint tell you what to do. Nope, yeah,
Speaker 4: kindam Actually, but I didn't remember that time got pissed
Speaker 4: at me for doing something for the way I was driving,
Speaker 4: and you reached over and and you wrench the wheel
Speaker 4: out of my hand while I was driving.
Speaker 5: No, no, I was just I was just moving your hands.
Speaker 5: I could honk the horn.
Speaker 4: You have your memories.
Speaker 3: I have mine.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, it was scary. It's like, no, you don't
Speaker 4: get to you don't get to grab the wheel when
Speaker 4: I drive.
Speaker 5: If you were listening, Cliff, I wouldn't have had to
Speaker 5: good point.
Speaker 3: It is my fault. I drove Bobo to and from Knoxville,
Speaker 3: and I didn't hear a single complaint. So either he's
Speaker 3: calm down, you're a good driver, I'll take it. I
Speaker 3: thought Bobo was gonna say that his advice to his
Speaker 3: younger self would be like, whatever you do, don't sell
Speaker 3: a trailer. Someday you did say it was your biggest
Speaker 3: regret ever in life.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: And Cliff's advice to his younger self was, whatever you do,
Speaker 3: don't let your friends park their trailer on your property.
Speaker 3: I've already broken that rule.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: You know what's in my garage right now? A trailer? No, yeah,
Speaker 4: but you know whose it is. It's Gary's, it's my neighbor.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, it's yeah.
Speaker 4: Gary's got this huge trailer's like forty like it's I
Speaker 4: think it's literally forty five feet long. It's it's like
Speaker 4: nicer than like most of you know, apartments. But that's
Speaker 4: how he rolls. And he went up to Alaska for
Speaker 4: a few months. He drags it around and you know,
Speaker 4: and he's, uh, he put it in there to redo
Speaker 4: the top and it's been in there for five four
Speaker 4: or five four days, five days and he's over halfway
Speaker 4: done with.
Speaker 5: It now due what.
Speaker 4: With redoing the entire top of the uh of the trailer.
Speaker 4: Oh dang, Well, you and I were intended. Well, Gary's
Speaker 4: like that man. Gary's that kind of guy. Or it's there,
Speaker 4: he's going to get it done. And when he asked
Speaker 4: me if he could put it in there because because
Speaker 4: it's raining here, you know, it's it's fall, it's winter,
Speaker 4: it's raining crazy now, And I said, well, I'll ask Melissa.
Speaker 4: You know, although we just got rid of a trailer
Speaker 4: and it's by going and kind of sheepishly asked Melissa,
Speaker 4: so uh, Gary asked if he could put his trailer
Speaker 4: in there. Shees, Oh, yeah, that's no problem. It won't
Speaker 4: be there lung. It's like, oh all right. So yeah,
Speaker 4: he was tearing out the top and redoing like all
Speaker 4: those things that you were telling us. That telling me
Speaker 4: that we had to do to your trailer, but we
Speaker 4: didn't understand what to do, like he apparently does.
Speaker 5: His didn't have a structural damage and stuff. His is
Speaker 5: just you know, it's in good shave. It's just peel
Speaker 5: it and mine I had to like replace all the
Speaker 5: ply would.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's doing some of that.
Speaker 4: I guess. I guess what is that crappy plywood? It's like,
Speaker 4: you know, a press board, you know, basically that's kind
Speaker 4: of the roof in there. There were two leaks in there,
Speaker 4: so he's doing a little bit of that. But nonetheless,
Speaker 4: I just thought, how ironic is that traded one for
Speaker 4: the other. Although Gary's will probably be gone by the
Speaker 4: end of the week or so because he doesn't let
Speaker 4: anything sit undone, you know, which is great, a great
Speaker 4: neighbor to have. But until like it's, you know, eight
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning on a Saturday, and you get
Speaker 4: a call, Hey, can you help me with this? It's
Speaker 4: of course I can. You know, I've got to get
Speaker 4: up and go.
Speaker 3: You had to answer Scott's question, like, I started looking
Speaker 3: into it hard at about so I would say twenty
Speaker 3: years old, although I really started going out in the
Speaker 3: field and getting pretty intense with that at like twenty two,
Speaker 3: so maybe the age twenty doesn't count, but thereabouts twenty
Speaker 3: to twenty two. And the advice I would give myself,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty fortunate to have a pretty steel trap memory,
Speaker 3: but of course I don't know what things I might
Speaker 3: have forgotten, because if I did, I wouldn't have forgotten them.
Speaker 3: And so my advice to my younger self would be
Speaker 3: take copious notes all the time. And I do have them.
Speaker 3: I'm staring at like a three drawer file cabinet right
Speaker 3: now that is full of notebooks, and all of those
Speaker 3: notebooks are full. But I didn't start doing that until like,
Speaker 3: for gosh, twenty ten, twenty eleven, and I still could
Speaker 3: be better about it, But those early days, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I would say, take copious notes, write everything down. It'll
Speaker 3: all matters someday, like at least on a personal level,
Speaker 3: like I would love to have that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish I did a bit. I wish I
Speaker 4: do a better job now, honestly, but you can only
Speaker 4: do so much.
Speaker 3: That is what I've been learning.
Speaker 4: Indeed, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
Speaker 4: and Bogo. Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 5: This one comes from Heidi Campbell, High Globo and Matt.
Speaker 5: I was wondering if you think that sasquatches are self aware? Also,
Speaker 5: what do you think of sabsquatch would do if they
Speaker 5: found a freestanding mirror in the woods where they recognize
Speaker 5: their own reflection, make funny faces, or check the mirror
Speaker 5: high into the trees. You guys are beyond awesome. I
Speaker 5: like that keeping it squatchy and socow. Heidi, Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: been done a lot, and of course they've encountered mirrors
Speaker 5: plenty of times out there, like reflective windows. I believe
Speaker 5: they're self aware. I think they. I mean, we don't
Speaker 5: know for sure yet, but I think they are.
Speaker 4: I would think so too. I think all ape species
Speaker 4: are actually and they're at least as smart as the
Speaker 4: other apes. Maybe even a little bit more a third
Speaker 4: little closer related to us. Who knows, But yeah, I
Speaker 4: think that they would be a self aware to at
Speaker 4: least some degree, and aware of others and what are
Speaker 4: similar to them and what's not similar to them, and
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. But what would they do if
Speaker 4: they ran across a mirror, I don't know. I think
Speaker 4: that the ones deep in the woods, they might be very,
Speaker 4: very surprised by it, of course, you know, like you
Speaker 4: see these videos of gorillas and whatever seeing a mirror
Speaker 4: for the first time. But the ones a little bit
Speaker 4: closer to town, they've probably seen their reflection a couple of times,
Speaker 4: as Bobo said, you know, whether it's walking by a
Speaker 4: vehicle or a house or something like that.
Speaker 5: Or lakes and pause just like when there's no win
Speaker 5: it's smooth and glassy, and they they've definitely seen the
Speaker 5: reflections and ponds and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you would think so, right at some point or another.
Speaker 4: Whether they noticed it or not is another question I
Speaker 4: guess as well. But I would think they would probably
Speaker 4: be very very self aware in some ways. You know.
Speaker 3: I think if you passed in front of a mirror
Speaker 3: and saw him self, he'd start flexing. No, that's Bobo,
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would think that they'd be self aware,
Speaker 3: and that to Bobo's point that just through actions of
Speaker 3: fishing and things of that nature, they've probably seen their
Speaker 3: own reflection in water or slow moving creeks or rivers,
Speaker 3: things like that. I think there's plenty of opportunities in
Speaker 3: nature with water at least to see your own reflection,
Speaker 3: let alone, and especially vehicles. Like there's a story that
Speaker 3: comes to mind. I've probably told her before, but there
Speaker 3: was a guy that I interviewed once who had a
Speaker 3: really close extended siding where he was in the driver's
Speaker 3: side of his vehicle and his vehicle was parked, and
Speaker 3: the thing walked up basically to like the driver's side
Speaker 3: headlight and leaned over and was staring. And he had
Speaker 3: said to me, he said, you know, in retrospect, I
Speaker 3: don't know if it could see me, because it was
Speaker 3: right like pre dawn, so it was twilight, but the
Speaker 3: sun hadn't broken over the horizon or over the treetops yet,
Speaker 3: so it was light but not daylight yet. And he said,
Speaker 3: you know, under those conditions, like it might have only
Speaker 3: seen the reflection of itself in the sky on that
Speaker 3: windshield because it was dark ish, you know, like it
Speaker 3: wouldn't have seen him clearly in there because he wasn't
Speaker 3: illuminated the human and so he was like, I wonder
Speaker 3: if it was just staring at this glassy reflective surface
Speaker 3: and didn't even realize there was a person in there. Fully,
Speaker 3: so who knows, But circumstances like that, you think, yeah,
Speaker 3: they'd have to see their own reflections.
Speaker 4: Well, what do you think they would do if they
Speaker 4: saw a mirror? I kind of think it would just
Speaker 4: like be annoyed by it. I think I think that
Speaker 4: we're annoying the Sasquatches.
Speaker 5: I talked to someone that watched one that would see
Speaker 5: it come up, and it was one of those big
Speaker 5: fish eye mirrors, like the you know, like like people
Speaker 5: have on hair print terms with their driva comes out
Speaker 5: on a hairprint turn on the road. These guys had
Speaker 5: one on a dirt road and that they saw twice
Speaker 5: the big looking in the mirror like pointing at it stuff,
Speaker 5: pointing at itself. Yeah, like you know, touching the touching
Speaker 5: the mirror which finger was and all that.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, what made me think about the
Speaker 3: flex to make that joke? Do you remember there was
Speaker 3: a long term witness case from the nineteen nineties near Oreville, California,
Speaker 3: and the woman had said that the big male would
Speaker 3: come out like display for her and it would stand
Speaker 3: there like flex its muscles and stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't remember that.
Speaker 5: Lots of animalsts display. See.
Speaker 3: I think if it came out and flexed, if Bobo
Speaker 3: flex back, it would run away, like the story I
Speaker 3: told on a previous episode where a friend of mine
Speaker 3: was on an early PFRO expedition in the Olympic Peninsula
Speaker 3: with Bobo, and he told me that they're having some
Speaker 3: pretty aggressive activity at this tree line and that Bobo
Speaker 3: bluff charged it, beating his chest and screaming, and they
Speaker 3: heard this huge thing tear off and run away. Everyone
Speaker 3: else was terrified, and so Bobo like charged it right away.
Speaker 3: And my buddy said that Bobo just turned to the
Speaker 3: group and said, yeah, that usually freaks him out.
Speaker 4: It doesn't freak anybody out.
Speaker 3: Dog pile.
Speaker 5: Erect right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Heidi's a good listener, a good number of
Speaker 3: ours and so appreciate that question.
Speaker 4: Oh, a member, but asking questions on this side of
Speaker 4: the fence. Interesting, cool, thanks Heidi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's sent in member questions via DM before on
Speaker 3: the Patreon side. That one came into the email, so
Speaker 3: I'm assuming since it came through the regular route that
Speaker 3: it was meant for the main show.
Speaker 4: We might be running out of regular listeners. Everybody's going
Speaker 4: over to the membership.
Speaker 3: Side if they know what's good for them, if they
Speaker 3: want them AD free episodes and now ten percent annual discounts, and.
Speaker 4: The pictures, don't forget the pictures, and you made a
Speaker 4: video for him now, and there's all sorts of stuff
Speaker 4: happening on that side of the fence. All right, we
Speaker 4: let's op to the next question here. This one's froms
Speaker 4: Palo Tourette, just wondering about the different types of relati
Speaker 4: hominoids across the globe sasquatch, alma, yetti a, ringpindec, et cetera.
Speaker 4: And the European Scandinavian tales of similar creatures. Do you
Speaker 4: think the tales of wood wos, Stallo et cera were
Speaker 4: similar creatures or something else? And what's your take on
Speaker 4: there being any left in the deep forests. Love the podcast.
Speaker 4: It's refreshing to hear a concent learned discussion between three
Speaker 4: people passionate about the subjects. What podcast is this guy
Speaker 4: listen into?
Speaker 3: With the Scandinavian stuff, to me, the big market difference,
Speaker 3: and with what I would refer to as the sort
Speaker 3: of various manifestations of the wild man archetype. The reason
Speaker 3: that those differ so greatly than the Sasquatch is that
Speaker 3: if you look at the Sasquatch subject, you have an
Speaker 3: unbroken timeline going back at least as far into oral
Speaker 3: tradition as we can look, even further back in things
Speaker 3: that can be dated, like artistic representations, and then as
Speaker 3: soon as the written word is brought to North America,
Speaker 3: we have who knows how many thousands or potentially tens
Speaker 3: of thousands in various written forms of testimonies of modern
Speaker 3: encounter or citing claims. And it's not just some folkloric representation,
Speaker 3: but you could say, at the very least that this
Speaker 3: person who has a name claimed to see this thing
Speaker 3: at this place, on this day, at this time, and
Speaker 3: there's many, many, many thousands of those on record, Versus
Speaker 3: something like characters in Skandinavian folklore or other traditions like
Speaker 3: these are representative characters that may or may not have
Speaker 3: represented something that actually lived in the objective world, in
Speaker 3: the environment. But there is no history of claims you
Speaker 3: can't stack up, you know, volumes of testimony. There's no
Speaker 3: body of physical evidence, whether you know trace evidence or
Speaker 3: multimedia evidence like vocalization recordings, photograph videos, et cetera. And
Speaker 3: so it is something that comes up a lot when
Speaker 3: people say, wow, this is just a manifestation of the
Speaker 3: wild man archetype, because isn't the sasquats just like the troll,
Speaker 3: just like you know in Kdu and the epic of Gilgamesh,
Speaker 3: this that and the other. It's like, well, there are
Speaker 3: certainly representative characters in folklore that are variants of the
Speaker 3: wild man, but that's markedly different than saying there's volumes
Speaker 3: of modern and historical e witness testimony coupled with mountains
Speaker 3: of trace evidence, some physical evidence like hair, multimedia evidence,
Speaker 3: and so you know, I don't think there's anything to
Speaker 3: the Scandinavian or European folklore for that reason, although it
Speaker 3: might have represented something in the past, I don't think
Speaker 3: they're still around, if they ever were.
Speaker 5: I've gotten some good reports out of there, out of
Speaker 5: Sweden and Norway and Finland, and almost all more from
Speaker 5: military guys on exercises.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I've gotten reports as well, and in fact,
Speaker 4: I pulled one up really fast as you were talking there, Matt. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't have a lot of reports from Norway in
Speaker 4: that general, but I do have a couple, and this
Speaker 4: one here actually came with a little bit of physical evidence.
Speaker 4: This was submitted to me back in Let's see, what
Speaker 4: was a date, December third, twenty twenty one. This guy,
Speaker 4: his name is Stewart. I'm not going to say his
Speaker 4: last name, doesn't matter. He was outside of a town
Speaker 4: called Vang, Norway, and he gave me the road and
Speaker 4: Google map positions and all this sort of stuff, and
Speaker 4: he basically said that it wasn't really encounter, but he
Speaker 4: did find some footprints in the snow and he had stopped.
Speaker 4: He got out to stretch his legs because he'd been
Speaker 4: the car for like six hours. Took a couple of
Speaker 4: pictures of the snow tracks and he's no idea what
Speaker 4: they could be. And you know, they don't look that bad.
Speaker 4: You know, I've seen way way worse. In fact, a
Speaker 4: couple of these look like they have toes in them,
Speaker 4: you know, So what is going on? Out there, and
Speaker 4: that's not the only report out of Norway I've ever gotten.
Speaker 4: They are very rare, and I don't you know, and
Speaker 4: I think a lot of Norway and I've never been there.
Speaker 4: Of course, I know there's forests there, but I think
Speaker 4: a lot of Norway is not forested at all. It's
Speaker 4: just kind of icy planes and stuff. And I could
Speaker 4: be very wrong about that. But you know what I'll do,
Speaker 4: Matt is I will go ahead and send you these
Speaker 4: and you can post more of the membership side. But
Speaker 4: they don't look that terrible. They might just be misidentifications.
Speaker 4: And of course I'm just looking at photographs of something
Speaker 4: in the snow. But you know, not bad.
Speaker 3: Not bad.
Speaker 4: I've seen way worse bigfoot stuff come in, that's for sure, I.
Speaker 5: Mean to be.
Speaker 3: The big demarcation would be if we just use this
Speaker 3: platform alone and rented a theater, we could fill that
Speaker 3: theater with people who at least claim to have seen
Speaker 3: a sasquatch in the last ten years. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's just or probably the last five years, you
Speaker 3: know it. We would be excluding a lot of people,
Speaker 3: like if we vetted with our most cynical sense, the
Speaker 3: people that we believe the most, we would still fill
Speaker 3: that theater, and we would exclude a lot of things
Speaker 3: that we're like, I don't know about that one. Whereas
Speaker 3: you look at these other places where there's just no history,
Speaker 3: and all the claimants that you can scrape up at
Speaker 3: least who've offered their story or testimony somewhere publicly might
Speaker 3: be between half a dozen and a dozen, and a
Speaker 3: lot of the times it's like, well they're anonymous, and
Speaker 3: so you can't even connect the name or the place
Speaker 3: to it. So it gets more and more difficult. Versus
Speaker 3: in North America, it's it's overwhelming. Nount you know, absolutely
Speaker 3: gree one hundred percent. But there's stuff, you know, I
Speaker 3: think that the Stallo and all the that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: like the these trolls I guess of Norway. I think
Speaker 3: that I think that's some sort of cultural echo of
Speaker 3: these of some sort of relad hominoid being around that area,
Speaker 3: you know, in the not too distant pass. You know,
Speaker 3: it could be ten or fifteen thousand years ago, but
Speaker 3: that's pretty recent as far as you know that kind
Speaker 3: of thing goes. So I wouldn't be a bit surprised,
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a bit surprised. Yeah, but interesting stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't see there's any I don't see any reason
Speaker 4: to totally discount the idea that trolls and stuff are
Speaker 4: echoes of these sort of things, you know, of some
Speaker 4: sort of relati hominoid being around in those particular areas.
Speaker 4: And I think that after the discovery of a couple
Speaker 4: of these sasquatches or Yetty's or ring Mendex even something,
Speaker 4: when we start making some inroads into this fact basically
Speaker 4: that we're not the only you know, we're not the
Speaker 4: only hominoid left standing, I think that it's going to
Speaker 4: open a lot of doors and a lot of opportunities
Speaker 4: for Folklorus, for example, to step out of the shadows
Speaker 4: and start of applying them, or work in working with
Speaker 4: anthropologists and trying to get something done on that front.
Speaker 4: I think i'd be fascinating. Yeah, okay, Bob, do you
Speaker 4: want to take the next one there?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Here we got David p. Has anyone ever used
Speaker 5: tracking dogs to find or a tree of bigfoot? Bloodhounds
Speaker 5: and most hunting dogs are able to follow since a
Speaker 5: day or two after being present. Yeah, I mean John
Speaker 5: Green had tracking dogs lined up back in the sixties
Speaker 5: up in the Bluff Creek area, and they used them
Speaker 5: up in British Columbia. Other people have used tracking dogs,
Speaker 5: and there's stories of them, you know, getting obliterated, like
Speaker 5: the Sasquatch just tearing into the pack and killing a
Speaker 5: bunch of the dogs. Are all the dogs, But the
Speaker 5: probably more common theme is that the dogs won't they won't,
Speaker 5: they won't track it for this wine and get all scared,
Speaker 5: run back to the truck. Stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dogs have been used a couple of times. Just
Speaker 4: this past week. I'm preparing this past week, I was,
Speaker 4: I was at the shop at the North American Bigfoot
Speaker 4: Center and I was, I'm preparing a new exhibit on
Speaker 4: the Bossburg events because it was such a seminal important,
Speaker 4: you know, find I guess investigation. All the big folks
Speaker 4: were there, you know, in the big early days, you know,
Speaker 4: Bob Titmas was there. Ivan Marx was involved in this.
Speaker 4: Although common misconception is that Ivan Mark found those prints,
Speaker 4: he did not. Ivan Marx found a second set of
Speaker 4: prints when he was out with Renee the Hinden cruising
Speaker 4: around looking. The first set of prints were found in November,
Speaker 4: I think November twenty fourth, by a guy who was
Speaker 4: thrown some trash away at the dump. I forget his name,
Speaker 4: Dan something. If I remember right, I have to look
Speaker 4: it up in my notes, But I have some pretty
Speaker 4: interesting archival footage from back in the day at Bossburg,
Speaker 4: like taken on the scene, probably Ivan Marx, I'm not
Speaker 4: really sure. It came to me through a number of
Speaker 4: different corridors. A guy named Jean out on the East
Speaker 4: Coast gave it give it to me, but he gave
Speaker 4: me a copy of it to help him identify people
Speaker 4: in it and what he was like at because he
Speaker 4: didn't know he had got the footage from Peter Burn
Speaker 4: and and so going through it, I immediately recognized it
Speaker 4: as well. Shoot, that's that's the Bossburg events, you know,
Speaker 4: And there's really interesting things in there. There's there's footage
Speaker 4: of some of the footprints in the ground. There's a
Speaker 4: footage of the dump where all that stuff was found,
Speaker 4: with some footprints there and in the snow. There's even
Speaker 4: footage of the hand prints that were discovered at the site.
Speaker 4: And you know, Ivan Marx was involved. So everybody assumes
Speaker 4: that it was not a real A lot of that
Speaker 4: stuff was fake because Ivan Marx later went on and
Speaker 4: apparently faked a piece of footage that Peter Burn basically
Speaker 4: busted and found out that the footage was not taken
Speaker 4: at the location that Ivan Marx did, and the creature
Speaker 4: wasn't as big, and the local some local kids, I guess,
Speaker 4: knew where they had taken it. So but it buried
Speaker 4: in this footage. To get back to the question for David,
Speaker 4: here buried in this footage is Ivan Marx putting tracking
Speaker 4: dogs on the scent of the tracks, which would be
Speaker 4: a very weird thing to do if if he hoaxed
Speaker 4: those I might thinking about it. But yeah, even back
Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty nine and nineteen seventy, after John Green
Speaker 4: did that stuff in the nineteen sixties, they were still
Speaker 4: trying to do it, but to no avail.
Speaker 5: Where we used that dog. In Texas, we had that
Speaker 5: trained tracking dog.
Speaker 4: I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, one of our fine
Speaker 4: Bigfoot episodes. We got a this company out in Texas.
Speaker 4: I don't remember what they're called, what the name of
Speaker 4: the company was, but they trained dogs for police and
Speaker 4: military and all that sort of stuff, and they did
Speaker 4: kind of a crash course training with their dogs for
Speaker 4: an episode of Finding bigfoot. Where they trained it on.
Speaker 4: They got some primate and then undisclosed what kind of primate,
Speaker 4: but it was a type of monkey, and I think
Speaker 4: a little bit of the chimpanzee or something like that,
Speaker 4: which would be illegal to have. So I'm not sure
Speaker 4: that maybe I'm incorrect about that, because these things are
Speaker 4: highly protected and all that stuff, and you can't have
Speaker 4: even hair samples from them. I found that out by
Speaker 4: asking a zoo for hair samples and they said, we
Speaker 4: can't do that.
Speaker 5: Here's why Why couldn't they? What was the why?
Speaker 4: All great apes are endangered at this point and you
Speaker 4: can't have any pieces of endangered animal essentially to simplify it,
Speaker 4: then there's probably more, you know, intricate details with the law,
Speaker 4: but that's basically the gist. But they had some access
Speaker 4: somewhere to something or other. So they trained these dogs
Speaker 4: to q in on primates. And of course we got
Speaker 4: hits out in the woods. You know, we heard knocks
Speaker 4: and these dogs were queuing into something and according to
Speaker 4: the trainers, they would not have done so dogs don't lie,
Speaker 4: as they told me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got that killer Ohio, how that that dog
Speaker 5: went nuts? You almost lost your hand. You remember that.
Speaker 3: Oh, the dog did not like me.
Speaker 5: That's right, holding the walkie talkie had a weapon.
Speaker 3: I forgot about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We had these black walkie talkies, you know, and the
Speaker 4: kind of the standard you know, production walkie talkies that
Speaker 4: we were using. And I reached for it. The dog
Speaker 4: thought it was a gun and it flipped out. It
Speaker 4: flipped out.
Speaker 5: It was not hit lunch you and the guy. The
Speaker 5: guy just caught it in time, like he pulled the
Speaker 5: leash back on the other way. He goes, Dude, I
Speaker 5: mean it got within a foot of your hand. It
Speaker 5: was just going to tear your hand just right off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would not have been good. I used that
Speaker 3: hand often.
Speaker 5: That's what she said. Some kid was busting it out today.
Speaker 5: That's what she said. I was like, like, can you
Speaker 5: a little my suckle? Like, man, kid, you don't know
Speaker 5: how hard I have to hold back back every day.
Speaker 3: He'll never stop.
Speaker 5: Now. I didn't tell him that.
Speaker 4: Well, anyway, there there you go, David. I hope that
Speaker 4: answers a question to some degree. So stay tuned for
Speaker 4: more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be
Speaker 4: right back after these messages. And now the next one
Speaker 4: comes from George Eto or Ito. I don't know which one,
Speaker 4: but both of them, both these guys, both these Georges
Speaker 4: are asking the question, if you were walking in the
Speaker 4: woods and you encountered a human or a bigfoot, which
Speaker 4: would you be more scared of. I would be more
Speaker 4: scared of another human because you don't know what their
Speaker 4: intentions are.
Speaker 3: I would say that you equally don't know what the
Speaker 3: sasquads in are.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I was gonna say the same thing as sasquatch,
Speaker 5: except it's way bigger and more dangerous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, walking in the woods and I've encountered other people
Speaker 4: on the trail, and I'm not necessarily jumpy scared, you know,
Speaker 4: but I'm cautious because again, you don't know who these
Speaker 4: weirdos are out there. I'm one of those weirdos out there,
Speaker 4: and I'm harmless. Most weirdos are harmless, which is great.
Speaker 4: But you know, when I take the trash out at night,
Speaker 4: because I live in the woods, and sometimes those things
Speaker 4: around here, you know, we all like, wouldn't it be
Speaker 4: cool if this happened? You know how many times have
Speaker 4: all three of us on the call and most of
Speaker 4: our listeners been driving down a road at night, and
Speaker 4: then thinking what would it look like if a sasquatch
Speaker 4: ran across the road infurnmans, you know, like I do
Speaker 4: that all the time. And one of those weird fantasy
Speaker 4: things I do is when I take the trash out,
Speaker 4: or if I go outside at night for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: you know, to take the dog out or whatever. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm looking across the yard and thinking how scary would
Speaker 4: it be to see a big man shaped shadow dash
Speaker 4: across the yard or something off into the woods. That
Speaker 4: would scare me, then scare me more than just about anything,
Speaker 4: you know, that man shaped thing, because humans are horrifyingly
Speaker 4: terrifying and dangerous, and to amplify that by making it
Speaker 4: eight feet tall, I don't know, it would be more.
Speaker 4: I'd be more scared of a bigfoot because I have
Speaker 4: not been walking in the woods and saw a sasquatch
Speaker 4: do anything. So that'd be a brand new novel experience
Speaker 4: for my brain to try to wrap around where I
Speaker 4: have actually run across people in the woods lots and
Speaker 4: lots of times on hiking trails and stuff, and that's
Speaker 4: much less frightening, although way off trail that'd be something else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say of all the people that I've
Speaker 3: interviewed and the ones who've had close encounters, no one
Speaker 3: ever expressed to me that they saw the sasquatch and
Speaker 3: said like, oh, thank god, boy, am I glad to
Speaker 3: see you. I thought you might be a person. They're
Speaker 3: usually quite terrified, and so the vast majority of people
Speaker 3: that have an encounter on foot, especially if it's close,
Speaker 3: are terrified, which I just don't think you get that
Speaker 3: reaction even with scary people. And you know, we've had
Speaker 3: our own encounters with those, all three of us. There's
Speaker 3: a whole bonus episode about that, by the way, so
Speaker 3: if you're not a member, there's an episode with some
Speaker 3: of those stories. But yeah, I think it would be
Speaker 3: more frightening to run into a sasquatch at close range
Speaker 3: than a person.
Speaker 4: Although way off the trail. I imagine my two miles
Speaker 4: off trail or something like that running across a person
Speaker 4: out there just like walking along. That'd be a little unnerving,
Speaker 4: to be sure.
Speaker 3: I've had that happen, but it wasn't super weird or unnerving.
Speaker 3: But yeah, one time, my wife and I and Jeff Thomas,
Speaker 3: we were hiking and we walked into this poor guy's camp.
Speaker 3: He was an archery season had just started, and so
Speaker 3: I was like, well, you know, we'll be getting out
Speaker 3: of the woods before like hunting season starts in earnest,
Speaker 3: and so I'd say, but you know, obviously we don't
Speaker 3: want to mess with anyone's hunt. It was kind of
Speaker 3: our last squatching chance of the year. So there was
Speaker 3: this gnarly roadless trail liss drainage, and I was like,
Speaker 3: we're going to go way back in here because there's
Speaker 3: no way there's going to be somebody back there. And
Speaker 3: sure enough, there was a guy back there. He'd been
Speaker 3: hammot camping. He was already starting to pack up, so
Speaker 3: it wasn't like we erupted his hunt. But I had
Speaker 3: a good chat with him. Super nice guy. But I
Speaker 3: was like, man, you're you're a hardy dude to hunt
Speaker 3: all the way back here, because it's a long haul
Speaker 3: to get back to the vehicle. You know, if he
Speaker 3: got something, but get all the archery gear and camo
Speaker 3: and everything, but it is the last place you would
Speaker 3: have ever expected to see a person. For sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't worry me to see a hunter. Imagine,
Speaker 4: you know, a guy wearing I don't know, like a
Speaker 4: like a torn white T shirt. Nothing else. Okay, do
Speaker 4: we have any more of these matt.
Speaker 3: Yes, for sure, we have one more question. So here
Speaker 3: is the final question.
Speaker 5: It's all yours, bobs, okay. Sean herm is, Hey, guys,
Speaker 5: when you go out big footing and you spend the
Speaker 5: night out, do you keep a fire going to deturb
Speaker 5: bears or mountain lions? Do you sleep with your boots
Speaker 5: on if you gotta run out of the campsite? Thanks,
Speaker 5: love the show. I don't sleep with my boots on
Speaker 5: or anything like that. Never keep a fire going to
Speaker 5: the turb bears or mountains, I'll know no one never
Speaker 5: does for that reason.
Speaker 4: No, I don't care about bears and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: They can come into camp if they want. I just
Speaker 4: try to keep it clean camp so they won't want
Speaker 4: to come in. But no, I don't keep a fire
Speaker 4: going that night. I just let it die out or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we almost never use a fire unless it's extremely cold,
Speaker 3: Like we just keep a dark camp and no lights,
Speaker 3: no fire, nothing like that. And even if it is
Speaker 3: extremely cold, yeah, we let it go out before we
Speaker 3: get a bit. I've never slept with boots on, you know,
Speaker 3: if they want to mess with me while I'm asleep. Hey,
Speaker 3: that's why I'm here. Yeah, yeah, I don't sleep.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I would even like put sweatpants on or whatever, like
Speaker 4: pajamas basically because if I'm tucking in for the night, okay,
Speaker 4: And if I have to go outside and in my
Speaker 4: pajamas or my sweatpants or whatever I'm wearing, that's cool.
Speaker 4: No one's around, who cares, you know, no big deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would say if you have to run,
Speaker 3: either you're running after something, in which case you're not
Speaker 3: going to catch it. Because if you're running out of
Speaker 3: a campsite because something interesting has coming to camp and
Speaker 3: you're trying to catch up with it, that's not going
Speaker 3: to happen in the woods in the dark. And if
Speaker 3: you're running away from something, the last thing you want
Speaker 3: to do is run off into the woods in the dark.
Speaker 3: You probably wouldn't run your vehicle, so boots might not
Speaker 3: help too much with the runover to the vehicle. So no,
Speaker 3: no boots for me.
Speaker 4: Remember Tumbleweed Bubs, Remember that guy? Oh I remember the name,
Speaker 4: my bud Tumbleweeds. Yeah, he's dead now. Unfortunately, he died
Speaker 4: like last year and he was one of my best
Speaker 4: friends for a long long time. He told you, one
Speaker 4: of the weirdest guys ever, one of the weirdest, like legit,
Speaker 4: one of the weirdest people I've ever ever met. It
Speaker 4: would it totally fit in into you know, the island
Speaker 4: Misfit toys, that is Bobo's like friend circles and humble
Speaker 4: stuff like he just like one of the weirdest guys.
Speaker 4: I knew that his name was Mike Johnson, literally the
Speaker 4: least weird name I've ever heard in my entire life
Speaker 4: for the most bizarre individual I'd ever met.
Speaker 3: He's fantastic.
Speaker 4: But he told me he would only sleep on couches
Speaker 4: even though he had a bed, And one of the
Speaker 4: things he would do is he would always sleep with
Speaker 4: his shoes on, he told me, in case he needed
Speaker 4: to get up and go. Just like it's so whenever
Speaker 4: this question reminds me a lot of tumbleweeds, So hats
Speaker 4: off to you tumbles wherever you are. Anyway, there we go.
Speaker 4: That is that the last one for the episode?
Speaker 3: Here, that's the last one for this episode. And then
Speaker 3: we got a bunch of member questions.
Speaker 4: To get to right on, right on, Well, let's go
Speaker 4: do that then.
Speaker 5: Okay, folks, thanks so much for sending me your questions.
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