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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys

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<v Speaker 1>are your favorites, so light say subscribe and raid it.

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<v Speaker 2>Five stary s and me today listening, Oh watchy, lim

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<v Speaker 2>always keep its watchy.

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<v Speaker 3>And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.

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<v Speaker 4>Greetings, Bobo. How you doing today, sir?

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<v Speaker 5>Not too shabby? How's going with you?

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<v Speaker 4>Not too shabby either. There's been some little bit of

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<v Speaker 4>shab here and there, but for the most part, I'm shabless.

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<v Speaker 5>Nice. That's a good way to do. I gotta say, Cliff,

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<v Speaker 5>you're not You're not too shabby always, You're never shabby.

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<v Speaker 3>You flatter me.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you bet? Hey, Bobo, this is your second

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<v Speaker 4>week of a job. But what's it like being a

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<v Speaker 4>working joe working four or five days a week or

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<v Speaker 4>third week?

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<v Speaker 3>Third week? Don't care how you how? You holding up?

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<v Speaker 5>Pretty good. It's a challenging. It's the schools up here

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<v Speaker 5>were up so long for like COVID, that the kids,

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<v Speaker 5>I guess are just so far behind on like social

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<v Speaker 5>structure and class etiquette. And I was talking with all

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<v Speaker 5>the teachers today, not all of them, but several of

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<v Speaker 5>them at lunch and they were like, they said, it's

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<v Speaker 5>just it's just a different ballgame, full different animal of

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<v Speaker 5>the kids now that two years, especially at this age,

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<v Speaker 5>I was in fifth grade the day because I roam

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<v Speaker 5>and I was in the fifth grade class, and so

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<v Speaker 5>those kids missed, you know, like first second grade, like

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<v Speaker 5>they just were at home, like learning over zoom and zoom. Like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, trying to keep a six or seven year

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<v Speaker 5>old focus on a zoom call for seven hours a day.

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<v Speaker 5>Whatever it was, I guess didn't really bad classroom decorum

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<v Speaker 5>and such.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, trying to keep three guys in their forties

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<v Speaker 3>and fifties focused on a zoom callege.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, says our producer. Right, well, you know, I really

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<v Speaker 4>feel like I really feel like I probably got out

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<v Speaker 4>of teaching at a really good time, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>today's teachers I haven't taught since before finding Bigfoot. Of course,

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<v Speaker 4>my last year in the classroom was twenty ten. I

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<v Speaker 4>believe you teach every day, Cliff, I do. It's different.

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<v Speaker 4>It's different though I don't. I don't wrangle a group

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<v Speaker 4>of thirty of them or twenty five or thirty of

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<v Speaker 4>them every single day. And it's just a different gig now.

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<v Speaker 4>Especially with COVID taking a break, you know, out of

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<v Speaker 4>their education for a couple of.

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<v Speaker 3>Years, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, being an elementary school teacher for so long,

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<v Speaker 4>I've got some pretty strong opinions about the way things go.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think generally speaking, you know that we don't

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<v Speaker 4>have such a terrible education system here in the United States,

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<v Speaker 4>because I see the blood, sweat, and tears that these

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<v Speaker 4>teachers pour into the classroom every single day. But I

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<v Speaker 4>do see that teachers in the school system in general

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<v Speaker 4>is very easy to throw rocks at for politicians and

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<v Speaker 4>other people who are looking for a nice scape go,

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<v Speaker 4>but they don't understand what goes on in the trenches

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<v Speaker 4>and in the staggering challenges that teachers have to deal with.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, twenty five or thirty people children coming to

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<v Speaker 4>language abilities and everything like that, and you have them

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<v Speaker 4>in one class and you have to perform miracles every

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<v Speaker 4>single day with them, and somehow it all kind of

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<v Speaker 4>works out more or less, you know, trying to address

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<v Speaker 4>every single student's need. And so I'm kind of happy

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<v Speaker 4>that you're in the classroom, you know, because another thing

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<v Speaker 4>that you and I can share together is just like

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<v Speaker 4>being veterans of that war zone, you know, and really

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<v Speaker 4>it's a war of love of anything.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>We support these students and children everything we can do

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<v Speaker 4>to help them succeed and help them become better thems,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, better people, true to themselves.

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<v Speaker 5>You know. Yeah, it's kind of tough to keep that

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<v Speaker 5>line of trying to be firm and make them do

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<v Speaker 5>because the kids there are so sense. They're like they

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<v Speaker 5>you know, they got like I need my space and

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<v Speaker 5>I can just walk out of a classroom, you know

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that that that that'd be kind of tough. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know that that therein lies an opportunity for trust.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I have often said, I, if you want to to

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<v Speaker 4>be trustworthy, you have you have to take a chance

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<v Speaker 4>and trust, you know. And and and of course that

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<v Speaker 4>also teaches them when they screw up, when they go

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<v Speaker 4>fool around and do stuff that they shouldn't be doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you say, okay, well here's a consequence for that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, our trust goes two ways here, and there's

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<v Speaker 4>consequences to, you know, not so much disobeying. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's never that kind of teacher. But you know, we

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<v Speaker 4>had an agreement. We hadn't We had a written unwritten

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<v Speaker 4>contract here, and you violated it. So now there's a

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<v Speaker 4>consequence to it. And if that ain't life, man, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know what is, because that's the way everything works.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, they're I love them. They're they're great, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>they're they're they're fun.

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<v Speaker 4>The challenges presented to teachers and professional educators, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to just know with the teachers, because that's only one,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, one person on the team there. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>professional educators like yourself, you know, going into the classrooms

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<v Speaker 4>and doing this and being done in the trenches. I

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<v Speaker 4>can't sing praises high enough, and I think unless you've

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<v Speaker 4>been there and seen it, you're unlikely to sing praises

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<v Speaker 4>in that same sort of way. But I encourage every

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<v Speaker 4>parent who has a student in public school to go volunteer,

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<v Speaker 4>go see what it's really like, and you know, pay

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<v Speaker 4>some dues.

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<v Speaker 7>I guess in some ways, especially parents need to get

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<v Speaker 7>in there and see what's going on. I know a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of them are too busy and jobs and this

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<v Speaker 7>and that. But they can take a day off once

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<v Speaker 7>in a while and get in there at least once

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<v Speaker 7>a year, you know, get in there with your kid

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<v Speaker 7>and see what's shaken.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh and also you know, there's really strong research that

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<v Speaker 4>shows a direct correlation between parent involvement and student performance essentially,

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<v Speaker 4>so even I mean I've said that to my parents

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<v Speaker 4>all the time parent conferences or whatever. So yeah, seeving

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<v Speaker 4>committed the classroom, do something involved with the school, show

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<v Speaker 4>up because if you show up, that shows your student,

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<v Speaker 4>your your child, that school is important and and you care.

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<v Speaker 4>The family cares about it. So yeah, I think every

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<v Speaker 4>parent should be involved to some degree. You know, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to be in the classroom every week or

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<v Speaker 4>something like that, but you know if you can come,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, once a month or something even coming by

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<v Speaker 4>the school, that that that actually literally will help your

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<v Speaker 4>students perform better. Simple, the simplest things, man, the simplest

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<v Speaker 4>things improve a student's likelihood of success. You know, in

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<v Speaker 4>the school labyrinth that all of us are kind of

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<v Speaker 4>put through. Anyway, we stop to hear you that you're

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<v Speaker 4>digging your job.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, it's it's rewarding.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, what and students out there. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>we have a lot of young listeners as well. If

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<v Speaker 4>you can navigate the labyrinth of education, you too can

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<v Speaker 4>have a big Foot podcast with one of your best

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<v Speaker 4>friends and earn beer money on it.

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<v Speaker 5>Young people aren't earning beer money.

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<v Speaker 4>Cliff now, because they're way better at social media than

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<v Speaker 4>we are. They're probably earning a living.

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<v Speaker 5>So I got some listener questions line.

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<v Speaker 4>The Yeah it is that day. It's the Q and

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<v Speaker 4>A Day, my favorite of the month as far as

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<v Speaker 4>podcasting goes, where we get to get questions directly from

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<v Speaker 4>our listeners and of course you guys listening out there.

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<v Speaker 4>You can submit questions to us anything you want to know.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't have to be Bigfoot related. Most questions seem

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<v Speaker 4>to be, but it doesn't have to be. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>like we're a one dimensional kind of people up here.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we're not one dimensional folks. We do other

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<v Speaker 4>things in our life, have other interests as well, just Bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 4>It seems to be our favorite. So you can ask

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<v Speaker 4>us questions. You can either write us or you can

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<v Speaker 4>actually call us and leave a message, which is always

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of fun. And Matt Prue will put the

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<v Speaker 4>links to those kind of things down in the show notes,

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<v Speaker 4>so feel free to check those out. Should we start

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<v Speaker 4>with a call though, bobes, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, you know what, I was just gonna say, Prue,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure what's part of when in, But when

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<v Speaker 5>I told that ghost story from Hawaii about the big

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<v Speaker 5>party at a pipeline, I actually found some pictures from

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<v Speaker 5>from the party. I was going to send them to post.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, let's do it. That reminds me. We got an

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<v Speaker 3>email from a listener named Christian who wrote to say

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<v Speaker 3>that he loved Bobo's North Shore ghost story and said

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<v Speaker 3>that Volcom House in the early two thousands was an

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<v Speaker 3>exclusive spot.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was, Well, Bobo was an exclusive guest there

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<v Speaker 4>you go see us. So somebody knew what kind of

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<v Speaker 4>what you were talking about at the Vulcom House. Vulcm House,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what you're talking about. So I just

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<v Speaker 3>sit back and listen.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just a clothing company that had like has a

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<v Speaker 5>diamond kind of shape logo.

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<v Speaker 4>I just listened to your verbage cascade over my years

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<v Speaker 4>and tickle my brain. I don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>Did we get any other fun feedback from any of

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, there was a message here from a listener

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<v Speaker 3>named Brodie who says he's been a big fan for

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<v Speaker 3>a long time and said that he loved the ghost

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<v Speaker 3>Stories episode, thought it was a great idea, and said,

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<v Speaker 3>I love hearing ghost stories from anyone, but from Bobo

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<v Speaker 3>and Cliff is really such a treat. Can can we

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<v Speaker 3>do this every year? And I think that should be

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<v Speaker 3>the case.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you guys will have any new

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<v Speaker 3>ghost stories by next year, but I'm certain we could

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<v Speaker 3>do ghost themed episodes. We've done ghost or spooky themed

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<v Speaker 3>episodes for Halloween for the last couple of years, so

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<v Speaker 3>we can keep that trend going for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you know, speaking of spooky stuff, Bob, but you

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<v Speaker 4>saw the picture I sent you of Greg and Dana

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<v Speaker 4>Nwkirk coming to the museum. Yeah, Oh, what a pleasure

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<v Speaker 4>it was to connect back with them again. By the way, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I miss those guys, really really really nice folks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Impressed with the museum.

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<v Speaker 4>They had I guess a gig in town or something

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<v Speaker 4>and they're on they do a tour now because they

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<v Speaker 4>have a very very strong Patreon, you know, membership sort

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<v Speaker 4>I thought that was awesome, pulling the rug out of

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<v Speaker 4>So and of course hats off to them. You know

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<v Speaker 4>out there and saying, you know what, you're just projecting

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<v Speaker 4>or they I've also seen them say well, there's a

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<v Speaker 4>and stuff like that, like really kind of harsh critiques

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<v Speaker 4>similar things about the Bigfoot community and stuff. And of

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<v Speaker 4>me because of that, but I'm sure they do as well.

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<v Speaker 4>But they're the ones out there who are full on

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred and ten percent paranormal, but out there with

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<v Speaker 4>so much of this paranormal stuff seems to be just

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we had them on the show, right, didn't we

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<v Speaker 5>have them on like early on? Yeah? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because that's the mobile museum that travel their traveling museums.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like Haunted Objects. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm encouraging them to make a brick and mortar.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope they do.

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<v Speaker 4>man of what they do, traveling around doing this stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>But they sold out. I mean there's a little theater

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<v Speaker 4>So and uh they of course Melissa and I were

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<v Speaker 4>very same day, so we didn't want to like leave

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<v Speaker 4>to see in greg A Dana's show and the thing

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<v Speaker 4>they have going. I've heard great reports about it, though

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<v Speaker 4>it's kind of like very feel good sort of positive

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<v Speaker 5>So she must be in bad shape with melissaus that.

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<v Speaker 4>She's probably gonna have to have her thumb amputated, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>her dew claw, the big infection, and there's a tumor

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<v Speaker 4>there's things going on with soci. I've got that she's

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<v Speaker 4>the knife this weekend on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>So and keeping with the spooky theme, I'll pull one

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<v Speaker 3>of the questions out of order because one of the

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<v Speaker 3>really really love that, which reminded me if you're thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about becoming a member, dear listener, we now offer annual

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<v Speaker 3>going to get like a pretty good discount. There a

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<v Speaker 3>ten percent discount to do an annual membership. And then,

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<v Speaker 3>get any of that. Only Apple does, and so there's

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<v Speaker 3>no need to give them additional money. So ten percent

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<v Speaker 3>discount's now available for annual memberships. And if you're thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about becoming a member and you're an Apple listener, just

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<v Speaker 4>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 3>This question came in. We'll jump out of order here

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<v Speaker 3>starting with the voicemail. Since we were talking about the

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<v Speaker 3>Halloween episode. I really thought this was fun, and so

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I see my name in capitol letters here. I'll

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<v Speaker 4>go ahead and read this one. Bobes all right, Jen Serrata,

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<v Speaker 4>I think, says Cliff. I just listened to your Halloween episode.

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<v Speaker 4>This has nothing to do with Bigfoot, But I too

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<v Speaker 4>have seen a seven foot tall easter bunny when I

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<v Speaker 4>was seven years old. I have told no one, not

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<v Speaker 4>even my husband of twenty five years. Please tell me

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<v Speaker 4>the bunny you saw was pink and white.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to know I'm not alone.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't you know what. Honestly, it was dark, so

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<v Speaker 4>everything in the dark is kind of like black and whitish,

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<v Speaker 4>and actually my memory of it is also black and white.

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<v Speaker 4>Now that I'm looking at it, I kind of got

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<v Speaker 4>the impression it was yellowish, but that's probably from outside sources,

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<v Speaker 4>because wasn't that a rabbit and Winnie the Pooh like

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<v Speaker 4>yellowish and I kind of always associated that rabbit. I

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<v Speaker 4>think there was a rabbit in that as Easter buddy,

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<v Speaker 4>So I can't say for sure, Jen if it was

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<v Speaker 4>pink and white. I remember it was quite large, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was at least the size of the door. It's

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<v Speaker 4>the door frame itself, you know. And I was younger

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<v Speaker 4>than seven. I have to tell you that I was

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<v Speaker 4>probably two or three or so. I've got and you

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<v Speaker 4>know how memories are from that, you know, that long ago,

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<v Speaker 4>that stage in your life. They're all pretty wonky, they're

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<v Speaker 4>all pretty psychedelic, you know. I don't know what color

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<v Speaker 4>it was. I wish I had something for you.

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<v Speaker 3>On that one, but but.

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<v Speaker 4>It's nice to know that I'm not alone. So I

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<v Speaker 4>suspect there wasn't a seven foot tall bipedal rabbit in

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<v Speaker 4>my parents' house when I was at age. I suspect

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<v Speaker 4>it's just some weird, trippy little kid thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>The bunny Man, Bubble shut the Bundy Man.

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<v Speaker 4>Now there you go. Yeah, yeah, to talk about the

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<v Speaker 4>South Park episode that we were we were guests on,

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<v Speaker 4>even though we didn't get to do the voices, they

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<v Speaker 4>took our faces and put it on South Park. I

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<v Speaker 4>assume everybody knows about that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I love all the Bobo lines, like when the

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<v Speaker 3>Bubo character says, Bobo thing scary, shut up for the

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<v Speaker 3>money Baker guys like use the therm milivager and it

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<v Speaker 3>shows that the Bobo character goes it got all orange e.

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<v Speaker 5>All right for that's enough Bobo.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you watch that and laugh? Now?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I get a little mad, but I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's it's an epic episode. I mean, without without anything,

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<v Speaker 5>without nothing to do with it, it's still It's just

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<v Speaker 5>I love anything to do with Cartman, and that's a

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<v Speaker 5>Cartman one.

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<v Speaker 3>So they did watch the Bobo character. The Bobo character

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<v Speaker 3>should have been more like, you know, like dude, what

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like a charismatic and assertive and you know

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<v Speaker 3>southern California. Yeah, I'm missing words here because I've been

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<v Speaker 3>up since like three fifteen this morning. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just that sort of like hyper assertive, real charismatic, not

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<v Speaker 3>just southern California, but you know, like, come on, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>let's go like taking charge of things, not just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a sheepish only ways, because that's totally not Bobo

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<v Speaker 3>at all. So they missed that completely and.

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<v Speaker 5>They made money. They can look great and ren they

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<v Speaker 5>didn't talk Cliff was normal.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they didn't say one word and the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 5>No, that was hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>She said she got off lucky. Some suggested it might

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<v Speaker 3>be a critique itself. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well so I need to Yeah, that's how they

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<v Speaker 5>take it. It was more like they weren't They weren't

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<v Speaker 5>letting her slide. It was kind of like an underhanded slide.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say the primo version of Bobo on screen

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<v Speaker 3>is the Sagot episode. Once again, I would encourage all

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<v Speaker 3>listeners to go listen to that, or go back and

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<v Speaker 3>listen to our recap of that in Memoriam of Bob Saggat.

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<v Speaker 3>But Bobo was on fire that weekend and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of that's on camera and you can tell it like

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<v Speaker 3>Saggot loved it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, he absolutely loved it. And you know the

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<v Speaker 4>best part of that entire episode where the out not

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<v Speaker 4>not the outtakes, but the special features. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if those are anywhere. I don't know if they're on

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<v Speaker 4>the DVD of the Sagot stuff that he did or what.

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<v Speaker 4>But like those little mini episodes that they put out

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<v Speaker 4>before the release of it, where Bobo and Sagitt go

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<v Speaker 4>to buy a Samurai sword in Port Angelus, Washington, that

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<v Speaker 4>that was gold. That was like top top shelf Bobo.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta see if I can find because those used

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<v Speaker 3>to be online, and if they still are, I'll link them,

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<v Speaker 3>because yeah, that was That'll show you like Bobo's telling

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<v Speaker 3>Sagot what to do every step of the way. Sagoth's like, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no sheepishness whatsoever on Bobo's part.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it was. It was comedy gold. It was ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>It was skinned Bobo in top form. Well, okay, shall

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<v Speaker 4>we continue on with the questions here?

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<v Speaker 3>I think we can dig into it. So we got

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<v Speaker 3>one voicemail for this month that came in and it's

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<v Speaker 3>from a dear friend of ours.

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<v Speaker 5>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's I do kind of remember this from previous

426
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<v Speaker 3>years as we got closer to the holiday season, there

427
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<v Speaker 3>was less of that. Now on our member side, we've

428
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<v Speaker 3>got a ton of questions. But on the made side,

429
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<v Speaker 3>since the last Q and A we recorded, we've only

430
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<v Speaker 3>got one voicemail. So here it is.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, Cliff Bobo and Matt Scott Dieter early here, longtime page,

432
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<v Speaker 6>first time caller. My question for you is this, what

433
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<v Speaker 6>was your age when Bigfoot captured your focus? And if

434
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<v Speaker 6>you could go back in time, what words of wisdom

435
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<v Speaker 6>would Cliff, Bobo and Matt of today go back and

436
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<v Speaker 6>tell yourselves at the start of your journey in Sasquatry.

437
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<v Speaker 6>Thanks in advance for your answers, and thanks for letting

438
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<v Speaker 6>us patrons get to virtually hang out with you all

439
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<v Speaker 6>twice a week.

440
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Scott's cool man. I like that guy.

441
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. I'd say for me, I was five, I'd say

442
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<v Speaker 5>stay the course or on the right path.

443
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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I think I became first interested in like

444
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<v Speaker 4>when I was, you know, five years old approximately give

445
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<v Speaker 4>or take a year. Actually went to kindergarten at four

446
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<v Speaker 4>years old, you know, so I'm not sure, you know,

447
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<v Speaker 4>somewhere in there, four or five, six years old, somewhere

448
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<v Speaker 4>in there, because I was watching monster stuff. My mom

449
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<v Speaker 4>was into the universal monsters and stuff. But I can't

450
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<v Speaker 4>say that it became a focus of mine. I forget

451
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<v Speaker 4>the word that Scott used, but it was something like that,

452
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<v Speaker 4>like a focus or something. It wasn't a focus of

453
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<v Speaker 4>mine until college, you know, Like I was like about

454
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<v Speaker 4>twenty or twenty two or something like that at the time,

455
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<v Speaker 4>and that's where I kind of jumped in the pool

456
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<v Speaker 4>and never came up for air again, essentially, and I've

457
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<v Speaker 4>been drowned ever since. In the beginning days, it was

458
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<v Speaker 4>just an interest because I loved monsters, and you know,

459
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<v Speaker 4>I think were wolves particularly scared me as a little boy,

460
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<v Speaker 4>and to me, a bigfoot thing was very werewolfy, you know.

461
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<v Speaker 4>And I've always kept those odd, eccentric interests. I'm kind

462
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<v Speaker 4>of a weird guy. I always have been. Yeah, and

463
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<v Speaker 4>there you go, and that's probably it. But as far

464
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<v Speaker 4>as advice, I may have given myself the advice to

465
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<v Speaker 4>pursue a degree in paleoanthropology because I think that my

466
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<v Speaker 4>interest in paleo anthropology is pretty high and I think

467
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<v Speaker 4>that has a whole lot to do with the subject.

468
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<v Speaker 4>I think, and I've said I think I even said

469
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<v Speaker 4>it last week or the week before. Is like, I

470
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<v Speaker 4>think anybody who takes this bigfoot subject seriously really should

471
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<v Speaker 4>study human origins. It's very insightful. I think learning about it,

472
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<v Speaker 4>it creates a ton of insight for you as far

473
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<v Speaker 4>as sasquatches go. Yeah, so I think I probably would

474
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<v Speaker 4>have encouraged myself to do that, But knowing me, I

475
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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't listen. I don't listen to advice. I'm not very

476
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<v Speaker 4>good at that. It's like, you can't tell me what

477
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<v Speaker 4>to do. Come on, no one's telling me what to do,

478
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<v Speaker 4>not even myself exactly exactly. I remember one time I

479
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<v Speaker 4>was driving on finding Bigfoot, and you were, you were,

480
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<v Speaker 4>as you often did, criticizing my driving.

481
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<v Speaker 5>No I was, I was teaching.

482
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<v Speaker 4>Well, whatever you were doing, I'm just thinking, oh man,

483
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<v Speaker 4>I remember that. So many, so many good and bad

484
00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:40.079
<v Speaker 4>memories just flooded back to me and paralyzed my tongue

485
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<v Speaker 4>for a moment. But this particular time, I remember the quote.

486
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<v Speaker 4>And I still say this to this day, because you know,

487
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<v Speaker 4>I was like driving and there's painted lines on the

488
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<v Speaker 4>road and stop signs and things like that. And you

489
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<v Speaker 4>you said you're gonna let paint tell you what to do. Nope, yeah,

490
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<v Speaker 4>kindam Actually, but I didn't remember that time got pissed

491
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<v Speaker 4>at me for doing something for the way I was driving,

492
00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:06.319
<v Speaker 4>and you reached over and and you wrench the wheel

493
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<v Speaker 4>out of my hand while I was driving.

494
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<v Speaker 5>No, no, I was just I was just moving your hands.

495
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<v Speaker 5>I could honk the horn.

496
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<v Speaker 4>You have your memories.

497
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<v Speaker 3>I have mine.

498
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<v Speaker 4>Man, Yeah, it was scary. It's like, no, you don't

499
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:19.680
<v Speaker 4>get to you don't get to grab the wheel when

500
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<v Speaker 4>I drive.

501
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<v Speaker 5>If you were listening, Cliff, I wouldn't have had to

502
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<v Speaker 5>good point.

503
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<v Speaker 3>It is my fault. I drove Bobo to and from Knoxville,

504
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<v Speaker 3>and I didn't hear a single complaint. So either he's

505
00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 3>calm down, you're a good driver, I'll take it. I

506
00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.000
<v Speaker 3>thought Bobo was gonna say that his advice to his

507
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<v Speaker 3>younger self would be like, whatever you do, don't sell

508
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<v Speaker 3>a trailer. Someday you did say it was your biggest

509
00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:46.599
<v Speaker 3>regret ever in life.

510
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<v Speaker 5>It is.

511
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<v Speaker 3>And Cliff's advice to his younger self was, whatever you do,

512
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<v Speaker 3>don't let your friends park their trailer on your property.

513
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<v Speaker 3>I've already broken that rule.

514
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<v Speaker 5>You know.

515
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<v Speaker 4>You know what's in my garage right now? A trailer? No, yeah,

516
00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:03.519
<v Speaker 4>but you know whose it is. It's Gary's, it's my neighbor.

517
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<v Speaker 5>I was gonna say, it's yeah.

518
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<v Speaker 4>Gary's got this huge trailer's like forty like it's I

519
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:12.039
<v Speaker 4>think it's literally forty five feet long. It's it's like

520
00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.480
<v Speaker 4>nicer than like most of you know, apartments. But that's

521
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<v Speaker 4>how he rolls. And he went up to Alaska for

522
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<v Speaker 4>a few months. He drags it around and you know,

523
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<v Speaker 4>and he's, uh, he put it in there to redo

524
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<v Speaker 4>the top and it's been in there for five four

525
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<v Speaker 4>or five four days, five days and he's over halfway

526
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<v Speaker 4>done with.

527
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<v Speaker 5>It now due what.

528
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<v Speaker 4>With redoing the entire top of the uh of the trailer.

529
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<v Speaker 4>Oh dang, Well, you and I were intended. Well, Gary's

530
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<v Speaker 4>like that man. Gary's that kind of guy. Or it's there,

531
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<v Speaker 4>he's going to get it done. And when he asked

532
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<v Speaker 4>me if he could put it in there because because

533
00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:46.400
<v Speaker 4>it's raining here, you know, it's it's fall, it's winter,

534
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:51.079
<v Speaker 4>it's raining crazy now, And I said, well, I'll ask Melissa.

535
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<v Speaker 4>You know, although we just got rid of a trailer

536
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<v Speaker 4>and it's by going and kind of sheepishly asked Melissa,

537
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<v Speaker 4>so uh, Gary asked if he could put his trailer

538
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<v Speaker 4>in there. Shees, Oh, yeah, that's no problem. It won't

539
00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:08.799
<v Speaker 4>be there lung. It's like, oh all right. So yeah,

540
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.039
<v Speaker 4>he was tearing out the top and redoing like all

541
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:13.960
<v Speaker 4>those things that you were telling us. That telling me

542
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.720
<v Speaker 4>that we had to do to your trailer, but we

543
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<v Speaker 4>didn't understand what to do, like he apparently does.

544
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<v Speaker 5>His didn't have a structural damage and stuff. His is

545
00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:23.839
<v Speaker 5>just you know, it's in good shave. It's just peel

546
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<v Speaker 5>it and mine I had to like replace all the

547
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<v Speaker 5>ply would.

548
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

549
00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's doing some of that.

550
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<v Speaker 4>I guess. I guess what is that crappy plywood? It's like,

551
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<v Speaker 4>you know, a press board, you know, basically that's kind

552
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<v Speaker 4>of the roof in there. There were two leaks in there,

553
00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:38.160
<v Speaker 4>so he's doing a little bit of that. But nonetheless,

554
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<v Speaker 4>I just thought, how ironic is that traded one for

555
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<v Speaker 4>the other. Although Gary's will probably be gone by the

556
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:44.039
<v Speaker 4>end of the week or so because he doesn't let

557
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<v Speaker 4>anything sit undone, you know, which is great, a great

558
00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:49.440
<v Speaker 4>neighbor to have. But until like it's, you know, eight

559
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<v Speaker 4>o'clock in the morning on a Saturday, and you get

560
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<v Speaker 4>a call, Hey, can you help me with this? It's

561
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<v Speaker 4>of course I can. You know, I've got to get

562
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<v Speaker 4>up and go.

563
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<v Speaker 3>You had to answer Scott's question, like, I started looking

564
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<v Speaker 3>into it hard at about so I would say twenty

565
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 3>years old, although I really started going out in the

566
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<v Speaker 3>field and getting pretty intense with that at like twenty two,

567
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<v Speaker 3>so maybe the age twenty doesn't count, but thereabouts twenty

568
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<v Speaker 3>to twenty two. And the advice I would give myself,

569
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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty fortunate to have a pretty steel trap memory,

570
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.039
<v Speaker 3>but of course I don't know what things I might

571
00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.920
<v Speaker 3>have forgotten, because if I did, I wouldn't have forgotten them.

572
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<v Speaker 3>And so my advice to my younger self would be

573
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<v Speaker 3>take copious notes all the time. And I do have them.

574
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:32.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm staring at like a three drawer file cabinet right

575
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.559
<v Speaker 3>now that is full of notebooks, and all of those

576
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:38.000
<v Speaker 3>notebooks are full. But I didn't start doing that until like,

577
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.200
<v Speaker 3>for gosh, twenty ten, twenty eleven, and I still could

578
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 3>be better about it, But those early days, like, yeah,

579
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<v Speaker 3>I would say, take copious notes, write everything down. It'll

580
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.000
<v Speaker 3>all matters someday, like at least on a personal level,

581
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:52.920
<v Speaker 3>like I would love to have that stuff.

582
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wish I did a bit. I wish I

583
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.039
<v Speaker 4>do a better job now, honestly, but you can only

584
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<v Speaker 4>do so much.

585
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<v Speaker 3>That is what I've been learning.

586
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<v Speaker 4>Indeed, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff

587
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.440
<v Speaker 4>and Bogo. Will be right back after these messages.

588
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<v Speaker 5>This one comes from Heidi Campbell, High Globo and Matt.

589
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:20.039
<v Speaker 5>I was wondering if you think that sasquatches are self aware? Also,

590
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:21.799
<v Speaker 5>what do you think of sabsquatch would do if they

591
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:25.039
<v Speaker 5>found a freestanding mirror in the woods where they recognize

592
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.599
<v Speaker 5>their own reflection, make funny faces, or check the mirror

593
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 5>high into the trees. You guys are beyond awesome. I

594
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:36.519
<v Speaker 5>like that keeping it squatchy and socow. Heidi, Yeah, that's

595
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:39.359
<v Speaker 5>been done a lot, and of course they've encountered mirrors

596
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:43.039
<v Speaker 5>plenty of times out there, like reflective windows. I believe

597
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:44.839
<v Speaker 5>they're self aware. I think they. I mean, we don't

598
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.039
<v Speaker 5>know for sure yet, but I think they are.

599
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:49.680
<v Speaker 4>I would think so too. I think all ape species

600
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:52.319
<v Speaker 4>are actually and they're at least as smart as the

601
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:54.680
<v Speaker 4>other apes. Maybe even a little bit more a third

602
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:58.319
<v Speaker 4>little closer related to us. Who knows, But yeah, I

603
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:00.480
<v Speaker 4>think that they would be a self aware to at

604
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.319
<v Speaker 4>least some degree, and aware of others and what are

605
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 4>similar to them and what's not similar to them, and

606
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:07.799
<v Speaker 4>that kind of stuff. But what would they do if

607
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.319
<v Speaker 4>they ran across a mirror, I don't know. I think

608
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:13.720
<v Speaker 4>that the ones deep in the woods, they might be very,

609
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 4>very surprised by it, of course, you know, like you

610
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.119
<v Speaker 4>see these videos of gorillas and whatever seeing a mirror

611
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 4>for the first time. But the ones a little bit

612
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 4>closer to town, they've probably seen their reflection a couple of times,

613
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:26.640
<v Speaker 4>as Bobo said, you know, whether it's walking by a

614
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<v Speaker 4>vehicle or a house or something like that.

615
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:31.880
<v Speaker 5>Or lakes and pause just like when there's no win

616
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:35.480
<v Speaker 5>it's smooth and glassy, and they they've definitely seen the

617
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<v Speaker 5>reflections and ponds and stuff.

618
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you would think so, right at some point or another.

619
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<v Speaker 4>Whether they noticed it or not is another question I

620
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:45.160
<v Speaker 4>guess as well. But I would think they would probably

621
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<v Speaker 4>be very very self aware in some ways. You know.

622
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 3>I think if you passed in front of a mirror

623
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:54.039
<v Speaker 3>and saw him self, he'd start flexing. No, that's Bobo,

624
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.559
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I would think that they'd be self aware,

625
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:00.960
<v Speaker 3>and that to Bobo's point that just through actions of

626
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:03.160
<v Speaker 3>fishing and things of that nature, they've probably seen their

627
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.000
<v Speaker 3>own reflection in water or slow moving creeks or rivers,

628
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:08.680
<v Speaker 3>things like that. I think there's plenty of opportunities in

629
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<v Speaker 3>nature with water at least to see your own reflection,

630
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<v Speaker 3>let alone, and especially vehicles. Like there's a story that

631
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<v Speaker 3>comes to mind. I've probably told her before, but there

632
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<v Speaker 3>was a guy that I interviewed once who had a

633
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<v Speaker 3>really close extended siding where he was in the driver's

634
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<v Speaker 3>side of his vehicle and his vehicle was parked, and

635
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<v Speaker 3>the thing walked up basically to like the driver's side

636
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<v Speaker 3>headlight and leaned over and was staring. And he had

637
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<v Speaker 3>said to me, he said, you know, in retrospect, I

638
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<v Speaker 3>don't know if it could see me, because it was

639
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<v Speaker 3>right like pre dawn, so it was twilight, but the

640
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<v Speaker 3>sun hadn't broken over the horizon or over the treetops yet,

641
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<v Speaker 3>so it was light but not daylight yet. And he said,

642
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<v Speaker 3>you know, under those conditions, like it might have only

643
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<v Speaker 3>seen the reflection of itself in the sky on that

644
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<v Speaker 3>windshield because it was dark ish, you know, like it

645
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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have seen him clearly in there because he wasn't

646
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:01.559
<v Speaker 3>illuminated the human and so he was like, I wonder

647
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<v Speaker 3>if it was just staring at this glassy reflective surface

648
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<v Speaker 3>and didn't even realize there was a person in there. Fully,

649
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.160
<v Speaker 3>so who knows, But circumstances like that, you think, yeah,

650
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<v Speaker 3>they'd have to see their own reflections.

651
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<v Speaker 4>Well, what do you think they would do if they

652
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<v Speaker 4>saw a mirror? I kind of think it would just

653
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<v Speaker 4>like be annoyed by it. I think I think that

654
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<v Speaker 4>we're annoying the Sasquatches.

655
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<v Speaker 5>I talked to someone that watched one that would see

656
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<v Speaker 5>it come up, and it was one of those big

657
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<v Speaker 5>fish eye mirrors, like the you know, like like people

658
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<v Speaker 5>have on hair print terms with their driva comes out

659
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<v Speaker 5>on a hairprint turn on the road. These guys had

660
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<v Speaker 5>one on a dirt road and that they saw twice

661
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<v Speaker 5>the big looking in the mirror like pointing at it stuff,

662
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<v Speaker 5>pointing at itself. Yeah, like you know, touching the touching

663
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<v Speaker 5>the mirror which finger was and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, what made me think about the

665
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<v Speaker 3>flex to make that joke? Do you remember there was

666
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<v Speaker 3>a long term witness case from the nineteen nineties near Oreville, California,

667
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<v Speaker 3>and the woman had said that the big male would

668
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<v Speaker 3>come out like display for her and it would stand

669
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<v Speaker 3>there like flex its muscles and stuff.

670
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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I don't remember that.

671
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:13.640
<v Speaker 5>Lots of animalsts display. See.

672
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<v Speaker 3>I think if it came out and flexed, if Bobo

673
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<v Speaker 3>flex back, it would run away, like the story I

674
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<v Speaker 3>told on a previous episode where a friend of mine

675
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<v Speaker 3>was on an early PFRO expedition in the Olympic Peninsula

676
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<v Speaker 3>with Bobo, and he told me that they're having some

677
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<v Speaker 3>pretty aggressive activity at this tree line and that Bobo

678
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 3>bluff charged it, beating his chest and screaming, and they

679
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:38.359
<v Speaker 3>heard this huge thing tear off and run away. Everyone

680
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.319
<v Speaker 3>else was terrified, and so Bobo like charged it right away.

681
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<v Speaker 3>And my buddy said that Bobo just turned to the

682
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<v Speaker 3>group and said, yeah, that usually freaks him out.

683
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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't freak anybody out.

684
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<v Speaker 3>Dog pile.

685
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<v Speaker 5>Erect right.

686
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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, Heidi's a good listener, a good number of

687
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<v Speaker 3>ours and so appreciate that question.

688
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<v Speaker 4>Oh, a member, but asking questions on this side of

689
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<v Speaker 4>the fence. Interesting, cool, thanks Heidi.

690
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's sent in member questions via DM before on

691
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<v Speaker 3>the Patreon side. That one came into the email, so

692
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm assuming since it came through the regular route that

693
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:16.359
<v Speaker 3>it was meant for the main show.

694
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<v Speaker 4>We might be running out of regular listeners. Everybody's going

695
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<v Speaker 4>over to the membership.

696
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<v Speaker 3>Side if they know what's good for them, if they

697
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<v Speaker 3>want them AD free episodes and now ten percent annual discounts, and.

698
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<v Speaker 4>The pictures, don't forget the pictures, and you made a

699
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<v Speaker 4>video for him now, and there's all sorts of stuff

700
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.119
<v Speaker 4>happening on that side of the fence. All right, we

701
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<v Speaker 4>let's op to the next question here. This one's froms

702
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<v Speaker 4>Palo Tourette, just wondering about the different types of relati

703
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:43.240
<v Speaker 4>hominoids across the globe sasquatch, alma, yetti a, ringpindec, et cetera.

704
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<v Speaker 4>And the European Scandinavian tales of similar creatures. Do you

705
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.720
<v Speaker 4>think the tales of wood wos, Stallo et cera were

706
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:55.000
<v Speaker 4>similar creatures or something else? And what's your take on

707
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:58.559
<v Speaker 4>there being any left in the deep forests. Love the podcast.

708
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:02.480
<v Speaker 4>It's refreshing to hear a concent learned discussion between three

709
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.839
<v Speaker 4>people passionate about the subjects. What podcast is this guy

710
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:06.400
<v Speaker 4>listen into?

711
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<v Speaker 3>With the Scandinavian stuff, to me, the big market difference,

712
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<v Speaker 3>and with what I would refer to as the sort

713
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.480
<v Speaker 3>of various manifestations of the wild man archetype. The reason

714
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:19.400
<v Speaker 3>that those differ so greatly than the Sasquatch is that

715
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<v Speaker 3>if you look at the Sasquatch subject, you have an

716
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<v Speaker 3>unbroken timeline going back at least as far into oral

717
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<v Speaker 3>tradition as we can look, even further back in things

718
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.640
<v Speaker 3>that can be dated, like artistic representations, and then as

719
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:35.960
<v Speaker 3>soon as the written word is brought to North America,

720
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<v Speaker 3>we have who knows how many thousands or potentially tens

721
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.559
<v Speaker 3>of thousands in various written forms of testimonies of modern

722
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:50.480
<v Speaker 3>encounter or citing claims. And it's not just some folkloric representation,

723
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:53.920
<v Speaker 3>but you could say, at the very least that this

724
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:57.200
<v Speaker 3>person who has a name claimed to see this thing

725
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.359
<v Speaker 3>at this place, on this day, at this time, and

726
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.599
<v Speaker 3>there's many, many, many thousands of those on record, Versus

727
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 3>something like characters in Skandinavian folklore or other traditions like

728
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<v Speaker 3>these are representative characters that may or may not have

729
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:16.280
<v Speaker 3>represented something that actually lived in the objective world, in

730
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.960
<v Speaker 3>the environment. But there is no history of claims you

731
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<v Speaker 3>can't stack up, you know, volumes of testimony. There's no

732
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:28.320
<v Speaker 3>body of physical evidence, whether you know trace evidence or

733
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<v Speaker 3>multimedia evidence like vocalization recordings, photograph videos, et cetera. And

734
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<v Speaker 3>so it is something that comes up a lot when

735
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<v Speaker 3>people say, wow, this is just a manifestation of the

736
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<v Speaker 3>wild man archetype, because isn't the sasquats just like the troll,

737
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.639
<v Speaker 3>just like you know in Kdu and the epic of Gilgamesh,

738
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:46.960
<v Speaker 3>this that and the other. It's like, well, there are

739
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.320
<v Speaker 3>certainly representative characters in folklore that are variants of the

740
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.119
<v Speaker 3>wild man, but that's markedly different than saying there's volumes

741
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:02.559
<v Speaker 3>of modern and historical e witness testimony coupled with mountains

742
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:07.480
<v Speaker 3>of trace evidence, some physical evidence like hair, multimedia evidence,

743
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<v Speaker 3>and so you know, I don't think there's anything to

744
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<v Speaker 3>the Scandinavian or European folklore for that reason, although it

745
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Speaker 3>might have represented something in the past, I don't think

746
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:18.400
<v Speaker 3>they're still around, if they ever were.

747
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<v Speaker 5>I've gotten some good reports out of there, out of

748
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<v Speaker 5>Sweden and Norway and Finland, and almost all more from

749
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<v Speaker 5>military guys on exercises.

750
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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I've gotten reports as well, and in fact,

751
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<v Speaker 4>I pulled one up really fast as you were talking there, Matt. Yeah,

752
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<v Speaker 4>I don't have a lot of reports from Norway in

753
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:36.320
<v Speaker 4>that general, but I do have a couple, and this

754
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:38.639
<v Speaker 4>one here actually came with a little bit of physical evidence.

755
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<v Speaker 4>This was submitted to me back in Let's see, what

756
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<v Speaker 4>was a date, December third, twenty twenty one. This guy,

757
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<v Speaker 4>his name is Stewart. I'm not going to say his

758
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.360
<v Speaker 4>last name, doesn't matter. He was outside of a town

759
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<v Speaker 4>called Vang, Norway, and he gave me the road and

760
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.440
<v Speaker 4>Google map positions and all this sort of stuff, and

761
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:00.679
<v Speaker 4>he basically said that it wasn't really encounter, but he

762
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:03.280
<v Speaker 4>did find some footprints in the snow and he had stopped.

763
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:06.760
<v Speaker 4>He got out to stretch his legs because he'd been

764
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<v Speaker 4>the car for like six hours. Took a couple of

765
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:12.880
<v Speaker 4>pictures of the snow tracks and he's no idea what

766
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.639
<v Speaker 4>they could be. And you know, they don't look that bad.

767
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:18.440
<v Speaker 4>You know, I've seen way way worse. In fact, a

768
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:20.760
<v Speaker 4>couple of these look like they have toes in them,

769
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<v Speaker 4>you know, So what is going on? Out there, and

770
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<v Speaker 4>that's not the only report out of Norway I've ever gotten.

771
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<v Speaker 4>They are very rare, and I don't you know, and

772
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<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of Norway and I've never been there.

773
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<v Speaker 4>Of course, I know there's forests there, but I think

774
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:35.079
<v Speaker 4>a lot of Norway is not forested at all. It's

775
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 4>just kind of icy planes and stuff. And I could

776
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.920
<v Speaker 4>be very wrong about that. But you know what I'll do,

777
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<v Speaker 4>Matt is I will go ahead and send you these

778
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<v Speaker 4>and you can post more of the membership side. But

779
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.960
<v Speaker 4>they don't look that terrible. They might just be misidentifications.

780
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<v Speaker 4>And of course I'm just looking at photographs of something

781
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<v Speaker 4>in the snow. But you know, not bad.

782
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 3>Not bad.

783
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:57.960
<v Speaker 4>I've seen way worse bigfoot stuff come in, that's for sure, I.

784
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<v Speaker 5>Mean to be.

785
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.599
<v Speaker 3>The big demarcation would be if we just use this

786
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:05.360
<v Speaker 3>platform alone and rented a theater, we could fill that

787
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.880
<v Speaker 3>theater with people who at least claim to have seen

788
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 3>a sasquatch in the last ten years. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

789
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.760
<v Speaker 3>and that's just or probably the last five years, you

790
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.519
<v Speaker 3>know it. We would be excluding a lot of people,

791
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<v Speaker 3>like if we vetted with our most cynical sense, the

792
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.440
<v Speaker 3>people that we believe the most, we would still fill

793
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.599
<v Speaker 3>that theater, and we would exclude a lot of things

794
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:27.639
<v Speaker 3>that we're like, I don't know about that one. Whereas

795
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:31.679
<v Speaker 3>you look at these other places where there's just no history,

796
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:34.760
<v Speaker 3>and all the claimants that you can scrape up at

797
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:39.760
<v Speaker 3>least who've offered their story or testimony somewhere publicly might

798
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.199
<v Speaker 3>be between half a dozen and a dozen, and a

799
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.159
<v Speaker 3>lot of the times it's like, well they're anonymous, and

800
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:48.039
<v Speaker 3>so you can't even connect the name or the place

801
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.719
<v Speaker 3>to it. So it gets more and more difficult. Versus

802
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:55.400
<v Speaker 3>in North America, it's it's overwhelming. Nount you know, absolutely

803
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:57.840
<v Speaker 3>gree one hundred percent. But there's stuff, you know, I

804
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.400
<v Speaker 3>think that the Stallo and all the that kind of stuff,

805
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.599
<v Speaker 3>like the these trolls I guess of Norway. I think

806
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<v Speaker 3>that I think that's some sort of cultural echo of

807
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.840
<v Speaker 3>these of some sort of relad hominoid being around that area,

808
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:12.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, in the not too distant pass. You know,

809
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<v Speaker 3>it could be ten or fifteen thousand years ago, but

810
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Speaker 3>that's pretty recent as far as you know that kind

811
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:19.960
<v Speaker 3>of thing goes. So I wouldn't be a bit surprised,

812
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.599
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't be a bit surprised. Yeah, but interesting stuff.

813
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<v Speaker 4>I don't see there's any I don't see any reason

814
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<v Speaker 4>to totally discount the idea that trolls and stuff are

815
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<v Speaker 4>echoes of these sort of things, you know, of some

816
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:33.760
<v Speaker 4>sort of relati hominoid being around in those particular areas.

817
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<v Speaker 4>And I think that after the discovery of a couple

818
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:40.320
<v Speaker 4>of these sasquatches or Yetty's or ring Mendex even something,

819
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<v Speaker 4>when we start making some inroads into this fact basically

820
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:48.599
<v Speaker 4>that we're not the only you know, we're not the

821
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<v Speaker 4>only hominoid left standing, I think that it's going to

822
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<v Speaker 4>open a lot of doors and a lot of opportunities

823
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<v Speaker 4>for Folklorus, for example, to step out of the shadows

824
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<v Speaker 4>and start of applying them, or work in working with

825
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<v Speaker 4>anthropologists and trying to get something done on that front.

826
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<v Speaker 4>I think i'd be fascinating. Yeah, okay, Bob, do you

827
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<v Speaker 4>want to take the next one there?

828
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? Here we got David p. Has anyone ever used

829
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 5>tracking dogs to find or a tree of bigfoot? Bloodhounds

830
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.360
<v Speaker 5>and most hunting dogs are able to follow since a

831
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<v Speaker 5>day or two after being present. Yeah, I mean John

832
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<v Speaker 5>Green had tracking dogs lined up back in the sixties

833
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.599
<v Speaker 5>up in the Bluff Creek area, and they used them

834
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<v Speaker 5>up in British Columbia. Other people have used tracking dogs,

835
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<v Speaker 5>and there's stories of them, you know, getting obliterated, like

836
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.599
<v Speaker 5>the Sasquatch just tearing into the pack and killing a

837
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 5>bunch of the dogs. Are all the dogs, But the

838
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.199
<v Speaker 5>probably more common theme is that the dogs won't they won't,

839
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:49.679
<v Speaker 5>they won't track it for this wine and get all scared,

840
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:51.880
<v Speaker 5>run back to the truck. Stuff like that.

841
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, dogs have been used a couple of times. Just

842
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.599
<v Speaker 4>this past week. I'm preparing this past week, I was,

843
00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:59.559
<v Speaker 4>I was at the shop at the North American Bigfoot

844
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.480
<v Speaker 4>Center and I was, I'm preparing a new exhibit on

845
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:06.679
<v Speaker 4>the Bossburg events because it was such a seminal important,

846
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:12.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, find I guess investigation. All the big folks

847
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:14.239
<v Speaker 4>were there, you know, in the big early days, you know,

848
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.800
<v Speaker 4>Bob Titmas was there. Ivan Marx was involved in this.

849
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:20.679
<v Speaker 4>Although common misconception is that Ivan Mark found those prints,

850
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 4>he did not. Ivan Marx found a second set of

851
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.280
<v Speaker 4>prints when he was out with Renee the Hinden cruising

852
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:28.920
<v Speaker 4>around looking. The first set of prints were found in November,

853
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.760
<v Speaker 4>I think November twenty fourth, by a guy who was

854
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.199
<v Speaker 4>thrown some trash away at the dump. I forget his name,

855
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:35.440
<v Speaker 4>Dan something. If I remember right, I have to look

856
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:39.400
<v Speaker 4>it up in my notes, But I have some pretty

857
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:43.480
<v Speaker 4>interesting archival footage from back in the day at Bossburg,

858
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 4>like taken on the scene, probably Ivan Marx, I'm not

859
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:49.760
<v Speaker 4>really sure. It came to me through a number of

860
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.559
<v Speaker 4>different corridors. A guy named Jean out on the East

861
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:56.480
<v Speaker 4>Coast gave it give it to me, but he gave

862
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.119
<v Speaker 4>me a copy of it to help him identify people

863
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:00.639
<v Speaker 4>in it and what he was like at because he

864
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.239
<v Speaker 4>didn't know he had got the footage from Peter Burn

865
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.159
<v Speaker 4>and and so going through it, I immediately recognized it

866
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 4>as well. Shoot, that's that's the Bossburg events, you know,

867
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.320
<v Speaker 4>And there's really interesting things in there. There's there's footage

868
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.679
<v Speaker 4>of some of the footprints in the ground. There's a

869
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:17.760
<v Speaker 4>footage of the dump where all that stuff was found,

870
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.440
<v Speaker 4>with some footprints there and in the snow. There's even

871
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 4>footage of the hand prints that were discovered at the site.

872
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.840
<v Speaker 4>And you know, Ivan Marx was involved. So everybody assumes

873
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:28.800
<v Speaker 4>that it was not a real A lot of that

874
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 4>stuff was fake because Ivan Marx later went on and

875
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.760
<v Speaker 4>apparently faked a piece of footage that Peter Burn basically

876
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.639
<v Speaker 4>busted and found out that the footage was not taken

877
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.440
<v Speaker 4>at the location that Ivan Marx did, and the creature

878
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.400
<v Speaker 4>wasn't as big, and the local some local kids, I guess,

879
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.960
<v Speaker 4>knew where they had taken it. So but it buried

880
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 4>in this footage. To get back to the question for David,

881
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:52.960
<v Speaker 4>here buried in this footage is Ivan Marx putting tracking

882
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:56.320
<v Speaker 4>dogs on the scent of the tracks, which would be

883
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:59.480
<v Speaker 4>a very weird thing to do if if he hoaxed

884
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:02.039
<v Speaker 4>those I might thinking about it. But yeah, even back

885
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.320
<v Speaker 4>in nineteen sixty nine and nineteen seventy, after John Green

886
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 4>did that stuff in the nineteen sixties, they were still

887
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:08.840
<v Speaker 4>trying to do it, but to no avail.

888
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:11.239
<v Speaker 5>Where we used that dog. In Texas, we had that

889
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.199
<v Speaker 5>trained tracking dog.

890
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:15.360
<v Speaker 4>I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, one of our fine

891
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:19.920
<v Speaker 4>Bigfoot episodes. We got a this company out in Texas.

892
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't remember what they're called, what the name of

893
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:24.599
<v Speaker 4>the company was, but they trained dogs for police and

894
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:26.480
<v Speaker 4>military and all that sort of stuff, and they did

895
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:29.400
<v Speaker 4>kind of a crash course training with their dogs for

896
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 4>an episode of Finding bigfoot. Where they trained it on.

897
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:36.480
<v Speaker 4>They got some primate and then undisclosed what kind of primate,

898
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.440
<v Speaker 4>but it was a type of monkey, and I think

899
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 4>a little bit of the chimpanzee or something like that,

900
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:42.199
<v Speaker 4>which would be illegal to have. So I'm not sure

901
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 4>that maybe I'm incorrect about that, because these things are

902
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.079
<v Speaker 4>highly protected and all that stuff, and you can't have

903
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Speaker 4>even hair samples from them. I found that out by

904
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:51.159
<v Speaker 4>asking a zoo for hair samples and they said, we

905
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:51.679
<v Speaker 4>can't do that.

906
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:54.639
<v Speaker 5>Here's why Why couldn't they? What was the why?

907
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 4>All great apes are endangered at this point and you

908
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:02.440
<v Speaker 4>can't have any pieces of endangered animal essentially to simplify it,

909
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:05.280
<v Speaker 4>then there's probably more, you know, intricate details with the law,

910
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 4>but that's basically the gist. But they had some access

911
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.920
<v Speaker 4>somewhere to something or other. So they trained these dogs

912
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:13.679
<v Speaker 4>to q in on primates. And of course we got

913
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:15.440
<v Speaker 4>hits out in the woods. You know, we heard knocks

914
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:17.719
<v Speaker 4>and these dogs were queuing into something and according to

915
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 4>the trainers, they would not have done so dogs don't lie,

916
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:21.800
<v Speaker 4>as they told me.

917
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we got that killer Ohio, how that that dog

918
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.639
<v Speaker 5>went nuts? You almost lost your hand. You remember that.

919
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:30.559
<v Speaker 3>Oh, the dog did not like me.

920
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 5>That's right, holding the walkie talkie had a weapon.

921
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:34.079
<v Speaker 3>I forgot about that.

922
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:34.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

923
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 4>We had these black walkie talkies, you know, and the

924
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:39.880
<v Speaker 4>kind of the standard you know, production walkie talkies that

925
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:42.159
<v Speaker 4>we were using. And I reached for it. The dog

926
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 4>thought it was a gun and it flipped out. It

927
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:45.320
<v Speaker 4>flipped out.

928
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.360
<v Speaker 5>It was not hit lunch you and the guy. The

929
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 5>guy just caught it in time, like he pulled the

930
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.800
<v Speaker 5>leash back on the other way. He goes, Dude, I

931
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 5>mean it got within a foot of your hand. It

932
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:55.559
<v Speaker 5>was just going to tear your hand just right off.

933
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:57.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would not have been good. I used that

934
00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:58.320
<v Speaker 3>hand often.

935
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:06.000
<v Speaker 5>That's what she said. Some kid was busting it out today.

936
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.679
<v Speaker 5>That's what she said. I was like, like, can you

937
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:11.559
<v Speaker 5>a little my suckle? Like, man, kid, you don't know

938
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:13.480
<v Speaker 5>how hard I have to hold back back every day.

939
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:15.039
<v Speaker 3>He'll never stop.

940
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:16.480
<v Speaker 5>Now. I didn't tell him that.

941
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:20.719
<v Speaker 4>Well, anyway, there there you go, David. I hope that

942
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:25.360
<v Speaker 4>answers a question to some degree. So stay tuned for

943
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.440
<v Speaker 4>more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be

944
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:36.599
<v Speaker 4>right back after these messages. And now the next one

945
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.719
<v Speaker 4>comes from George Eto or Ito. I don't know which one,

946
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.480
<v Speaker 4>but both of them, both these guys, both these Georges

947
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.079
<v Speaker 4>are asking the question, if you were walking in the

948
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.599
<v Speaker 4>woods and you encountered a human or a bigfoot, which

949
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:50.880
<v Speaker 4>would you be more scared of. I would be more

950
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:53.000
<v Speaker 4>scared of another human because you don't know what their

951
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:53.800
<v Speaker 4>intentions are.

952
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.599
<v Speaker 3>I would say that you equally don't know what the

953
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.199
<v Speaker 3>sasquads in are.

954
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:01.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. I was gonna say the same thing as sasquatch,

955
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:03.920
<v Speaker 5>except it's way bigger and more dangerous.

956
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:07.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, walking in the woods and I've encountered other people

957
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 4>on the trail, and I'm not necessarily jumpy scared, you know,

958
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 4>but I'm cautious because again, you don't know who these

959
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.320
<v Speaker 4>weirdos are out there. I'm one of those weirdos out there,

960
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:19.639
<v Speaker 4>and I'm harmless. Most weirdos are harmless, which is great.

961
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:21.800
<v Speaker 4>But you know, when I take the trash out at night,

962
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.880
<v Speaker 4>because I live in the woods, and sometimes those things

963
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:27.400
<v Speaker 4>around here, you know, we all like, wouldn't it be

964
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:29.000
<v Speaker 4>cool if this happened? You know how many times have

965
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 4>all three of us on the call and most of

966
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:32.480
<v Speaker 4>our listeners been driving down a road at night, and

967
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:34.719
<v Speaker 4>then thinking what would it look like if a sasquatch

968
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:36.920
<v Speaker 4>ran across the road infurnmans, you know, like I do

969
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:41.440
<v Speaker 4>that all the time. And one of those weird fantasy

970
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:43.280
<v Speaker 4>things I do is when I take the trash out,

971
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.960
<v Speaker 4>or if I go outside at night for whatever reason,

972
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:48.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, to take the dog out or whatever. You know,

973
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:52.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm looking across the yard and thinking how scary would

974
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:56.039
<v Speaker 4>it be to see a big man shaped shadow dash

975
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 4>across the yard or something off into the woods. That

976
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.880
<v Speaker 4>would scare me, then scare me more than just about anything,

977
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:05.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, that man shaped thing, because humans are horrifyingly

978
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 4>terrifying and dangerous, and to amplify that by making it

979
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:11.519
<v Speaker 4>eight feet tall, I don't know, it would be more.

980
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:13.360
<v Speaker 4>I'd be more scared of a bigfoot because I have

981
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.719
<v Speaker 4>not been walking in the woods and saw a sasquatch

982
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:20.079
<v Speaker 4>do anything. So that'd be a brand new novel experience

983
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:21.639
<v Speaker 4>for my brain to try to wrap around where I

984
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:23.760
<v Speaker 4>have actually run across people in the woods lots and

985
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.039
<v Speaker 4>lots of times on hiking trails and stuff, and that's

986
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:30.119
<v Speaker 4>much less frightening, although way off trail that'd be something else.

987
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say of all the people that I've

988
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.960
<v Speaker 3>interviewed and the ones who've had close encounters, no one

989
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:38.159
<v Speaker 3>ever expressed to me that they saw the sasquatch and

990
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:40.719
<v Speaker 3>said like, oh, thank god, boy, am I glad to

991
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.480
<v Speaker 3>see you. I thought you might be a person. They're

992
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:49.159
<v Speaker 3>usually quite terrified, and so the vast majority of people

993
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:51.559
<v Speaker 3>that have an encounter on foot, especially if it's close,

994
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:55.320
<v Speaker 3>are terrified, which I just don't think you get that

995
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:58.679
<v Speaker 3>reaction even with scary people. And you know, we've had

996
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:00.760
<v Speaker 3>our own encounters with those, all three of us. There's

997
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:03.159
<v Speaker 3>a whole bonus episode about that, by the way, so

998
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:06.000
<v Speaker 3>if you're not a member, there's an episode with some

999
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 3>of those stories. But yeah, I think it would be

1000
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:11.079
<v Speaker 3>more frightening to run into a sasquatch at close range

1001
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 3>than a person.

1002
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.840
<v Speaker 4>Although way off the trail. I imagine my two miles

1003
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.360
<v Speaker 4>off trail or something like that running across a person

1004
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:20.519
<v Speaker 4>out there just like walking along. That'd be a little unnerving,

1005
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 4>to be sure.

1006
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.760
<v Speaker 3>I've had that happen, but it wasn't super weird or unnerving.

1007
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:29.159
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, one time, my wife and I and Jeff Thomas,

1008
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:32.440
<v Speaker 3>we were hiking and we walked into this poor guy's camp.

1009
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:36.079
<v Speaker 3>He was an archery season had just started, and so

1010
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:38.239
<v Speaker 3>I was like, well, you know, we'll be getting out

1011
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:40.800
<v Speaker 3>of the woods before like hunting season starts in earnest,

1012
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.000
<v Speaker 3>and so I'd say, but you know, obviously we don't

1013
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:44.760
<v Speaker 3>want to mess with anyone's hunt. It was kind of

1014
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:47.800
<v Speaker 3>our last squatching chance of the year. So there was

1015
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.840
<v Speaker 3>this gnarly roadless trail liss drainage, and I was like,

1016
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:52.599
<v Speaker 3>we're going to go way back in here because there's

1017
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.239
<v Speaker 3>no way there's going to be somebody back there. And

1018
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:56.840
<v Speaker 3>sure enough, there was a guy back there. He'd been

1019
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.039
<v Speaker 3>hammot camping. He was already starting to pack up, so

1020
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:02.199
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't like we erupted his hunt. But I had

1021
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:04.039
<v Speaker 3>a good chat with him. Super nice guy. But I

1022
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.840
<v Speaker 3>was like, man, you're you're a hardy dude to hunt

1023
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.559
<v Speaker 3>all the way back here, because it's a long haul

1024
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:11.159
<v Speaker 3>to get back to the vehicle. You know, if he

1025
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.840
<v Speaker 3>got something, but get all the archery gear and camo

1026
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:16.239
<v Speaker 3>and everything, but it is the last place you would

1027
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.360
<v Speaker 3>have ever expected to see a person. For sure.

1028
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wouldn't worry me to see a hunter. Imagine,

1029
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:23.159
<v Speaker 4>you know, a guy wearing I don't know, like a

1030
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:30.239
<v Speaker 4>like a torn white T shirt. Nothing else. Okay, do

1031
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:31.480
<v Speaker 4>we have any more of these matt.

1032
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:36.079
<v Speaker 3>Yes, for sure, we have one more question. So here

1033
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:37.480
<v Speaker 3>is the final question.

1034
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:43.000
<v Speaker 5>It's all yours, bobs, okay. Sean herm is, Hey, guys,

1035
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.039
<v Speaker 5>when you go out big footing and you spend the

1036
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.840
<v Speaker 5>night out, do you keep a fire going to deturb

1037
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:50.679
<v Speaker 5>bears or mountain lions? Do you sleep with your boots

1038
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:53.360
<v Speaker 5>on if you gotta run out of the campsite? Thanks,

1039
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.559
<v Speaker 5>love the show. I don't sleep with my boots on

1040
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.280
<v Speaker 5>or anything like that. Never keep a fire going to

1041
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.039
<v Speaker 5>the turb bears or mountains, I'll know no one never

1042
00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 5>does for that reason.

1043
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:06.400
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't care about bears and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>They can come into camp if they want. I just

1045
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:10.760
<v Speaker 4>try to keep it clean camp so they won't want

1046
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:12.639
<v Speaker 4>to come in. But no, I don't keep a fire

1047
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<v Speaker 4>going that night. I just let it die out or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we almost never use a fire unless it's extremely cold,

1049
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.599
<v Speaker 3>Like we just keep a dark camp and no lights,

1050
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:24.079
<v Speaker 3>no fire, nothing like that. And even if it is

1051
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:25.920
<v Speaker 3>extremely cold, yeah, we let it go out before we

1052
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.199
<v Speaker 3>get a bit. I've never slept with boots on, you know,

1053
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.599
<v Speaker 3>if they want to mess with me while I'm asleep. Hey,

1054
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.400
<v Speaker 3>that's why I'm here. Yeah, yeah, I don't sleep.

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00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:33.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1056
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.039
<v Speaker 4>I would even like put sweatpants on or whatever, like

1057
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:40.320
<v Speaker 4>pajamas basically because if I'm tucking in for the night, okay,

1058
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:41.920
<v Speaker 4>And if I have to go outside and in my

1059
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.559
<v Speaker 4>pajamas or my sweatpants or whatever I'm wearing, that's cool.

1060
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:48.400
<v Speaker 4>No one's around, who cares, you know, no big deal.

1061
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:50.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I would say if you have to run,

1062
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.960
<v Speaker 3>either you're running after something, in which case you're not

1063
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.000
<v Speaker 3>going to catch it. Because if you're running out of

1064
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:58.639
<v Speaker 3>a campsite because something interesting has coming to camp and

1065
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:00.480
<v Speaker 3>you're trying to catch up with it, that's not going

1066
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:01.920
<v Speaker 3>to happen in the woods in the dark. And if

1067
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:05.079
<v Speaker 3>you're running away from something, the last thing you want

1068
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:06.840
<v Speaker 3>to do is run off into the woods in the dark.

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00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:10.599
<v Speaker 3>You probably wouldn't run your vehicle, so boots might not

1070
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:13.960
<v Speaker 3>help too much with the runover to the vehicle. So no,

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00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:14.880
<v Speaker 3>no boots for me.

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00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.000
<v Speaker 4>Remember Tumbleweed Bubs, Remember that guy? Oh I remember the name,

1073
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 4>my bud Tumbleweeds. Yeah, he's dead now. Unfortunately, he died

1074
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 4>like last year and he was one of my best

1075
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.039
<v Speaker 4>friends for a long long time. He told you, one

1076
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.880
<v Speaker 4>of the weirdest guys ever, one of the weirdest, like legit,

1077
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:31.400
<v Speaker 4>one of the weirdest people I've ever ever met. It

1078
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:35.320
<v Speaker 4>would it totally fit in into you know, the island

1079
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.320
<v Speaker 4>Misfit toys, that is Bobo's like friend circles and humble

1080
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:40.400
<v Speaker 4>stuff like he just like one of the weirdest guys.

1081
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:44.239
<v Speaker 4>I knew that his name was Mike Johnson, literally the

1082
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:46.639
<v Speaker 4>least weird name I've ever heard in my entire life

1083
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:48.800
<v Speaker 4>for the most bizarre individual I'd ever met.

1084
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:50.039
<v Speaker 3>He's fantastic.

1085
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.239
<v Speaker 4>But he told me he would only sleep on couches

1086
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:53.840
<v Speaker 4>even though he had a bed, And one of the

1087
00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:55.480
<v Speaker 4>things he would do is he would always sleep with

1088
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.920
<v Speaker 4>his shoes on, he told me, in case he needed

1089
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:01.119
<v Speaker 4>to get up and go. Just like it's so whenever

1090
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.760
<v Speaker 4>this question reminds me a lot of tumbleweeds, So hats

1091
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.960
<v Speaker 4>off to you tumbles wherever you are. Anyway, there we go.

1092
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.000
<v Speaker 4>That is that the last one for the episode?

1093
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:11.800
<v Speaker 3>Here, that's the last one for this episode. And then

1094
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:13.519
<v Speaker 3>we got a bunch of member questions.

1095
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.159
<v Speaker 4>To get to right on, right on, Well, let's go

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00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:16.679
<v Speaker 4>do that then.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, folks, thanks so much for sending me your questions.

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<v Speaker 5>We're gonna kick it over to the Patreon section now,

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<v Speaker 5>and but for all of you that joined us today

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<v Speaker 5>or tonight, whatever time you're listening to, thank you very

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<v Speaker 5>much and keep it squatchy.

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