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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for joining us for this special episode of Dogman

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Encounters Radio. I really appreciate you being here. For tonight's show.

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We've got a guest who's been a regular on the show.

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He's been on several times and he's actually a fan favorite.

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Whether he wants to admit it or not, he probably won't,

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but that's the truth. That's how it is. Of course,

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I'm talking about Al Santa Riga. And we've got another

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guest who I've known about for quite some time. I've

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known that he's been a dog Man researcher for the

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North American dog Man Project. Well for quite some time.

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I've kicked on the idea of asking him to come

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on the show. I wasn't sure what his response would be,

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but recently I asked him about doing a show with Alan.

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He luckily agreed to come on and do this. So

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for tonight's show, what we're going to do is we've

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got a specialist here, Al from New York State when

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it comes to dog man encounters. And we also have

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a specialist here, Patrick from Texas who they're both going

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to be here to share a case files, answer questions,

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general questions about both of the regions, and all kinds

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of other things. Well, without any further ado, let's bring

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them in here now, Alan, Patrick, thanks so much for

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being here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having us, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Vick, Oh, You're welcome. You are welcome. Now. You've been

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on the show several times, like I said, but I'm

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sure there are people listening who miss those episodes. With

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that in mind, please tell us about yourself.

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Speaker 4: Yes, my name is al Stan Ariga. I'm the director

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of the Broxville Paranormal Society, the New York State Sasquash Organization,

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the New York State UFO Project, and the New York

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State dog Man Project. I'm also Region three director from

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the North American dog Man Project Animal fon men.

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Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, Al, do you have time to eat?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Starting to wonder there, how about you?

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Speaker 3: Patrick, Patrick Bryan, I'm the Texas State rep for the

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North American dog Man Project. Prior to joining the project

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about a year and a half ago. I'm mainlyized and

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paranormal investigations, but something brought me to the dog man

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community and I really do like it here. Well, that's great.

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That sure beats so alternative. Now, you've been on the

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show several times, like I said, talking about a lot

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of dog man related to topics with me. But here's

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the subject that we've never broached. I'm sure it's not

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lost in you that a lot of the listeners will

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like to try their own hand of being dogman investigators.

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But what is it about being a dogman investigator that

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you don't think most of those people have considered when

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it comes to doing this kind of work.

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Speaker 4: But fear factor, You really put yourself in harm's way,

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you do when you go out there looking for these creatures.

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They are not a gentle, huggable, lovable creatures by any

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stretch of the imagination. I don't believe their bloodthirsty killers either,

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at least not all the time. I mean, I've walked

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down out of the woods many times. But yeah, I

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really tried to turn people away from doing that, you know,

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going out looking for him and putting themselves in harm's way,

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because you know, I Vic and I had this conversation recently.

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I think Patrick was in the conversation on the feed

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we had One time on the NADP there was a

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guy who wanted to go out and I said to him,

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I said, you know, explain to me what you think

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and explain to me what you think you need to

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protect yourself and in any sort of situation. And he

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really couldn't answer any of those questions and he kind

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of went went away. I haven't heard from him since.

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But I'm just and I wasn't trying to put the

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guy on the spot or be mean to I just

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wanted to know what kind of info he had, because

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you know, And I wanted to set them straight. You

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know what you need, if you're really going to go

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out there and do this, what you need to protect

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yourself in a bad situation. But I'm not going to

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tell people what they need to go out there and

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do this and have them go out on my account

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because they think, you know, Al told me to do

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this and then go out there and get themselves killed

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or injured, you know. So it's just it's something I

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don't recommend telling people to do, and I never tell

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anybody where my locations are because I don't want anyone

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going there and you know, trying to investigate and ended

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up getting themselves killed on my account, That's just the

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Speaker 2: You know, Al, I'm so glad you made the points

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that you did, because it really sticks to my craw

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there are so many people who head into the field

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or trying to find a dog man without having answered

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those questions that you told us about asking that man.

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presence for to try to put yourself in the presence

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of one of these things without having the answers to

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those questions in just without any question, just knowing those

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answers right away. If you haven't put enough thought into

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doing this to know the answers to those questions that

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you just brought up, it's insandity head into the woods

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and try to put yourself into the presence of a

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dog man. There's so many people that go out there

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and do this without planning, with reckless abandon I mean,

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it's just a wonder that more people don't get hurt

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know I and I you know, like

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guy or make it make a fool out of them.

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I just wanted to make I wanted to hear what

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he thought he knew, just to set him straight, because

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you really should get a second opinion on what you

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think you know, just to make sure that everybody you're

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talking to who you believe to be. And I hate

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this word experts because I'm not an expert by any

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stretch of the imagination. But make sure everybody's on the

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same page of Joe of ex is telling you this,

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and why is telling you that? And somebody is wrong,

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don't go out you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Oh definitely. Yeah, it's crazy to think that anyone

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would be an expert in the dogman field unless they

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can just call on up at will and tell you

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every last thing about them, which no one can, then

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you can't be an expert.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, like I said, As again, I

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just wanted to know what this gentleman thought he knew.

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it the wrong way. Being from New York, I have

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a tendency of coming across the wrong way. I don't

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know why, but people tend to always take me the

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wrong way. And I didn't mean to offend him or

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belittle him by any stretching imagination. I just wanted to

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make sure he knew what he was getting into and

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he had the right information in his back pocket that

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he would need to be out there well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a delicate subject. You handled it in

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a delicate way. It's a shame that you had to

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look out for his best interest when he didn't. He

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was ready to go out there with reckless abandon and

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you had to cover for him to make sure that

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he was ready. It really is a shame that he

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didn't put more thought into that than that. Patrick, do

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your field investigations ever follow you home? In other words,

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have you had any dog mean related nightmares or other

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issues that were brought on from doing.

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Speaker 3: What you do? Todate? I have not. I'm not going

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to rule out that possibility though. Actually, if I could,

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could I circle around back to what I was talking

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about with that conversation. He mentioned that he's not an expert.

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Nobody in this field is an expert. But if I

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have al giving me advice on how to proceed with

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a situation. I am definitely going to listen to that.

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And with that gentleman being scared off by Al asking

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a couple of questions, he was in no way, shape

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or form ready to go look for dog man.

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Speaker 2: You're right, really good point. Like I said, I just

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shudder to think about all these people who put themselves

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in their presence out there, who just are totally unprepared.

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If you're unprepared for going to the store because you

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forgot your list, that's one thing. If you're unprepared to

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put yourself in the presence of a dog man, totally different.

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It's just frustrating, it really is. Al. What does your

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wife think about all the time you spend in the

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field investigating these things. Has she ever asked to go

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into the field with you on an investigation?

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Speaker 4: Oh? God, no, she will never come out into the

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middle little woods with me. She always I invite her

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and my son all the time because they're big skeptics,

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you know, And I said, just come with me, just

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and they're both like, oh, we have better things to

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do than the hike four miles in the woods at

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the dead of night and sit and freeze our butts off.

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you know, so I take a lot of abuse for

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my family.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a shame considering how many times you've seen

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these things. I wish they'd believe you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean they've even come to the house, so,

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I mean, I don't know what. I don't know what

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else to tell.

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Speaker 3: Them, you know.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, i'd say, so you had one under your

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front porch any more intense than that? Do your kids

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know what dog men are in that their daddy investigates

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cases where eye witnesses have seen them.

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Speaker 3: Actually, my daughter she is twenty and is actually one

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of the researchers from my team here in Texas. My

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son is twelve, and he is already asking to go

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out when he's old enough.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what are your thoughts on that? Do you ever

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get a little nervous having your daughter out there and

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possibly being in a situation where she could get hurt?

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Speaker 3: Well? With us, the researchers actually do more of the time,

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date and location and specifically location where we need to

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be at. They very rarely go out into the field,

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whereas we kind of do. Run a difference between the

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investigation investigators and the researcher. My son is definitely wanting

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to go to the investigator route, and that one does

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make me a little nervous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why. We all think back to

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how we were when we were eighteen or capable enough,

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old enough to do things like this. Then we remember

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how bulletproof we thought we were. So yeah, that shouldn't

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make anyone nervous any father, right.

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Speaker 3: That's actually my team is quite a bit of a family.

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My daughter's the researcher for my team. My son in

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law is an investigator, his cousin is an investigator for us,

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and his cousin's wife is a researcher slash investigator for

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us as well.

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Speaker 2: Wow, a lot of family members. That's great, yeh. Keeping

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it in the family.

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Speaker 3: Definitely want people that can you know you're going to

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have your back when you're out there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, you know when you're dealing with something like this.

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All right, now, you've prepped some case files that you're

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going to share with us tonight.

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Speaker 4: Please do that now, Okay, vic, I didn't really know

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how many case files you wanted me to pull, So

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what I did was I pulled four and I kind

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of edited them to make them shorter because I didn't

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know how much time we were going to have. Three

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of the case files you actually gave to me to

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interview the the witnesses and were I'm sure they were

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on I remember they were on your show. And one

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of them came from a paranormal friend of mine who

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lives across the river here in Orange County. Some couple

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reached out to him and he pointed him in my direction.

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So I'm going to start with the one that was

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in Orange County. I received, I received the I received

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the report on October nineteen, twenty twenty. We're going to

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call the witness Paul. All the names have been changed

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protect the identity of the witnesses, and it was The

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time was twelve thirty am. The location was West Point

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US Military Academy in Orange County, New York, now West Point.

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It is a federal property and they really shouldn't have

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been on there. They could have gotten arrested. But these

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were college kids that were off for the summer and

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they wanted to go and camp at West Point. They

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knew a location on the outside of the fence which

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was broken, and they had snuck in through the broken fence.

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So on the date it happened was August twenty twenty.

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Of the witness said there was a group of six

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of them, three men, three women, and they snuck onto

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the grounds of West Point to go camping overnight, and

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at dusk, they began to start hearing movement all around them.

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Thinking it was the military police, they put up their

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hands and surrendered and said, okay, you got us, you

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know what I mean, Come out and arrest us. But

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no one ever came out to arrest them, which made

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them very confused. So the men grabbed their fleshlights and

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started to look to see who was out there. And

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what they did was they actually seen shadows moving from

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tree to tree, and they weren't really sure what they

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were dealing with at the time. And then one point

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later on in the evening, they started to hear howling

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and growling, and the girls got scared and they said, okay,

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you know, maybe it's time for us to leave. And

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just as they started to leave, they heard creatures. What

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they heard was a group of animals running towards them.

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They didn't know what was coming at them at that point.

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They just heard something charging at him through the woods,

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like three or four different animals charging at him. So

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they took off, running for that hole in the fence.

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And when they got into the hall of the fence

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and they looked back, they could see what they looked like,

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what they described to me as were wolves. They said

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they looked like werewolves. They were nine feet tall, they

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were black, and they the guys jumped in there. Everybody

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jumped in their cars and they got away. But the

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guys went back the next day to get all their

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gear because they had set up the tents and everything

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and they had their gear there. But they when they

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ran out, they were leaving everything behind. They just like,

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we're getting out of here, because they didn't know what

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was coming at him. They didn't sound like, you know,

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I heard of elephants coming at him. And when they

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went back the next day, the guys went back the

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next day, they found their tents shredded into a million pieces,

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all three tenths and their backpacks and their equipment and

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everything was just thrown all over the woods. So after

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I interviewed this this gentleman over the phone, I actually

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drove out to Orange County. It's not really that far

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from me West Point and I drove out and I

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met him, Paul, and his girlfriend Wendy we'll call her Wendy,

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at the local diner, and we talked and I took

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a very long, detailed report. Like I said, I didn't

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want to get into intricate and all the and all

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the information because I had I had put four reports

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together for tonight and I didn't know much time we

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were going to have. But when I went there and

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we sat there, we talked, and we were I was

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there for like two hours with them, and I filled

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you know, it was just a ton of stuff recorded,

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a ton of stuff everything. We actually went back to

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this road where they had parked their cars on how

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they were they sneak in, you know, and it's a

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dead end road off of a off a back row.

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It's a back road. It's a dead end road. And

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from the street you can see the fence where the

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fence was broken, you know, where you can sneak in.

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But from the other side, the way the hedge rows

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were growing and the bushes and the shrubs were growing,

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you couldn't tell if you were on the inside. You

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couldn't tell the fence was broken. You could only tell

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from the outside. Now, he invited me to go in

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with him. He was going to show me location, but

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at the time, I was a federal employee and I

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didn't want to get arrested on federal property, so I

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chose not to go in. But yeah, that you know,

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when they were telling me the story, his girlfriend, Wendy,

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she was she broke down and she was crying, hysterical,

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and he had goose bumps. He had tears in his eyes.

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And I could see these kids were serious as a

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heart attack. You know, what they thought they seen were

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a group of werewolves chasing him out of the woods.

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It's now, I had never heard of dog men being

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on the grounds at West Point. Now, people have to understand,

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West Point is twenty five square miles of property. They

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do reenactment work, were reenactments on it all the time,

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and I've heard of bigfoots being on there in West Point,

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but I had never heard of any dogmen until this

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one experience. Man, Yeah, it was did these kids were

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you know, they were college kids. They were off for

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the summer, and they said let's go, you know, sneak

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on the property and have a camp out. But they

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didn't expect to run across what they ran across that night.

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They were probably but it was all said and done,

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they were probably wishing it was the MPs coming to

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arrest them.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure they were yeah, mentally scarred, yes.

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Speaker 4: Mentally scarred, yes, I mean they were. They were, especially

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at least Wendy. She was really in bad shape. I

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don't know about the other guy's girlfriends, but the couple

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that I interviewed and I hung out with, both of

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them were mentally scarred. Yeah, like they're just like, you know,

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like when I tried to explain to them what these

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creatures were, like, they're not were wolves. They don't They're

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not humans will turn into to you know, were wolves.

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They're these are creatures that are here. They're flesh and

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blood and.

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Speaker 3: They could be.

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Speaker 4: Killed, you know, if you know where to shoot them.

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And I said, but you know, they just wanted you

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out of that area that night because you guys didn't

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get away from them. And I tried, and I tried

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to emphasize this, you guys didn't get away from them.

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They just drove you out because if they wanted you,

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they would have gotten all six of you, you know,

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which scared them even more when I told them that,

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but I was being honest with.

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Speaker 3: Them, you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure, And I'm glad you told them that, just

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telling them the truth, which is what they need to know. Yeah, definitely.

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What other case files do you have for us?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, the other ones were you were you were

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the one who hooked me up with these people, and

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it was I received this on eight fifteen twenty And

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we'll call the witnesses Rachel and Lindsay and their their

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encounter happened on five twenty five, two thousand and seven,

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right two, yeah, two thousand and seven, So it must

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have came. I must have got it years later. Ten

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It was ten thirty at night the when the accounter happened.

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It happened out on Suffolk County and Long Island, New York.

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And the witnesses went on to explain to me that Rachel,

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she was only like eleven years old at the time,

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and her and her girlfriend Lindsey were at their summerhouse,

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Rachel's summerhouse on Long Island, and they had to use

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the restroom, and the only restroom in the house was working,

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that was working was down in the basement, and as

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they were coming up out of the basement window.

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Speaker 3: They seen.

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Speaker 4: Leaning against the tree or behind a tree, a creature

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that they said looked like a werewolf. And that's the

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common theme, and most of these reports. Everybody calls them werewolves,

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you know. But the creature hadn't seen them at that

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point until Lindsey had made a noise. She gasped, and

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she made a noise, and then the creature seen them,

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and the preacher stepped out into the moonlight, and that's

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when they got a really good look at it. And

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they said the creature was about nine feet tall, it

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had red eyes, it was black in color, and when

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it noticed the girls, it stood stepped out from underneath

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the from behind a tree, and the girls ran up

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to the main house upstairs and told their parents. Rachel

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told their parents what had happened. Yeah, you got to

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remember that these girls are only eleven years old at

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this time, and told the parents what happened. And the

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father actually went out with a flashlight and looked out there.

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But if I remember correctly, Rachel's parents' house bordered uh

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preserve out on Long Island, so there was, like her,

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right across the street from our house was a nature preserve.

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So when the father went out and looked. He didn't

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see anything. The creature was gone. And you know, and

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you know I'm trying. I was trying to stick with

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stuff from New York, you know. Oh sure, yeah, all

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the reports. I just figured you wanted me to pull

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stuff that was from New York. So that's what I

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was pulling, you know. But like again, like I said,

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I edited everything down. I didn't know how intricate you

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want to get. We really didn't have a long discussion

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on this, so I edited a lot of stuff out

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because I had four of them that I wanted to

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discuss tonight, you know. And so the next one I received,

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This one goes back to twenty nineteen, and the well

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called the witness Janet. It was. The time was one

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o'clock in the morning. The location was Tioga County, New York.

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Tioga County is western New York. It's north west of

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New York, bordering Pennsylvania. And Janet was driving home from

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a veterin area's office on around eighty nine, late one

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evening with her girl, with her neighbor and her neighbor's dog.

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They had just brought her neighbor's dog to a vet

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and arian emergency vet. When Janet seen up along the

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road in the middle of the road a figure. She

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didn't know what it was. At first, she thought it

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was a large dog. And then the creature stopped in

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the middle of the road and Janet pulled up to

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it and looked at it, and it looked at Janet,

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and she described the creature of being about forty inches

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at the shoulder. This particular creature never stood up on

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two legs. It constantly stayed down on all fours. And

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she said it was about forty inches at the shoulder,

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and you could add like another ten inches for its

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head above its shoulders. She said, from nose to tail,

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it was about six foot long. And when I spoke

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to Janet on this, I said, are you sure you

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just didn't see a large wolf, you know, because that's

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not that big from nose to the tip of the

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tail six feet long, And she said, no, this thing

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was not like any wolf she had ever seen before.

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And they just locked eyes for she said it felt

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like time had states had stopped and she was just

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there for like she said, she felt like you they

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were there for like an hour, but it was only

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like three minutes. And she described the creature. Let's see,

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she said, yeah, less than three minutes. And again this

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creature was black in color, black with black eyes. She said,

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this creature at black eyes. And yeah, the Route eighty

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nine up in Cayuga County when you get upstate New York,

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these truck routes don't have any lights on them, and

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they're infamously pitch black. And even when you're driving with

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your high beams on, it's still really hard to see

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on these roads because they're so dark. Because up in

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Cayuga uh Tioga Tayo, Tioga County, I can't even pronounce it.

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It's an Indian name. You're talking about the Adirondeck Mountain Range,

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and the ad ad Arondeck Mountain ranges six million acres,

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so you know, there's the mountains are large up there

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and vast. So you know, she just happened to be

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at the wrong place at the wrong time and just

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thing just stepped out into the middle of the road

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right in front of our car.

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Speaker 2: That sure, it's a bad place to break down too.

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Speaker 4: Oh God, don't even say that. That was the least

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last thing you want to do is break down on

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those roads. Absolutely, yeah, and the last one I got again.

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It's comes I received it in September seventeen of twenty eighteen.

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And the whatness his name, we'll call him Bill. The

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encounter actually happened on February second, twenty eighteen, around eight pm.

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This location was Boone County, New York. Boom County again

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is northwest that borders along the Pennsylvania's actually Boone County

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is the county in front of Tyoga County. It's like

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right next to Tyoga County. And again you have the

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mountain range, the Adirondack Mountain Range running through this county.

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And on this particular night, Bill heard some howey coming

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from the from the woods. And he's a farmer and

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he had cows and you know, some livestock, and the

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livestock was scared, and he had heard he had heard

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this howeing and he thought it was coyotes. And he

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went and he got a neighbor, and we'll call him Jerry.

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And Jerry and Bill loaded up their shotguns thinking they

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were just going to drive out to the out to

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the woods and take care of these noose coyotes. That's

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what they thought they were going to deal with. When

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they got into Bill's quad runner, and they headed up

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the road and when they got up the road, they

477
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seen the creature. Billy describes the creature as a werewolf again.

478
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,519
He said to him that looked like a were wolf,

479
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:41,119
and it stood about nine feet tall, large cane nine head.

480
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:44,680
He said. The head was really large with pointed ears

481
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,119
on the top of its heads. Its eyes were he said.

482
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:53,279
He described his eyes of this creature as being yellowish orange.

483
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,400
He said it looked yellowish orange. And he said he

484
00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:02,000
was built like a bodybuilder who we really really long

485
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:08,000
arms and brought big hands and broad shoulders. It was

486
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:13,480
black and gray, this particular creature, and he had very large, sharp,

487
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:18,759
pointy teeth. At one point, the creature stepped out from

488
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:24,920
behind a tree and his from his neighbor Jerry, shot

489
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,079
it with the shotgun. He said when he shot it

490
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:33,880
with the shotgun that this creature actually jumped thirty feet

491
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:38,599
across the road and fifteen feet up in the tree. Now,

492
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:44,200
people don't people don't realize that these creatures can jump

493
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,079
far far distances. I believe that they can jump up

494
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:55,039
to sixty feet either straight up or straight straight across

495
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:59,039
if they want to. It's just a lot of reports

496
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:02,039
I've taken over the is where these creatures have jumped

497
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,680
massive amounts of distance. And what most people don't realize

498
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,839
it are that local wolves are regular. Local wolves can

499
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,880
jump about ten twelve feet straight up in a year.

500
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,880
So if creature like this to jump fifteen feet up

501
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,119
in a tree is easy. I mean, granted it was

502
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,240
wounded because Jerry had shot it with the shotgun, but

503
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:30,759
I don't think that people give these creatures enough credit.

504
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:34,039
Like when people see these creatures from a distance and

505
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:35,920
they say, oh, we were about you know, we were

506
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,160
about fifty feet away. They don't realize that if this

507
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:45,000
creature wanted you, it could probably jump fifty feet and

508
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,839
get you in a blink of an eye. It never

509
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,519
has to take off running. If it just explodes and

510
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:55,440
jumps at you, it just takes you down like that.

511
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,839
So they got in the quad Runner and they turned

512
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,559
around and they started to drive off.

513
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:00,319
Speaker 3: He said.

514
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 4: At that point the creature began to chase them, and

515
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,880
he described the creature's energy. He said the creature had

516
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,599
an evil energy about him. He was the only one

517
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:15,359
out of all of them that mentioned the creature's energy.

518
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:20,799
Billy really felt a negative energy from this particular creature

519
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:23,880
that they were dealing with up there in Boone County.

520
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,359
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that point up again. There's so

521
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,640
many people I talk with where at first they basically

522
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,759
make it clear that they think they got away from

523
00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:37,039
the dog man they encountered. But one of the things

524
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,079
I do was just to make sure they understand that

525
00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:43,680
that's not the case. You were so greatly outclassed that

526
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,480
the fact he got away as a testament to the

527
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,880
fact that the dog man didn't want you. And bouncing

528
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,960
back to al to Rachel's account, Okay, my heart sank.

529
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:59,160
I mean, people have some things wrong about dog mean encounters.

530
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,640
Is all too easy to think, for example, that if

531
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,319
you have an encounter at home, that's gonna be the

532
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:07,240
best place to have an encounter. But in so many

533
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,800
ways that can be the worst place to have an encounter,

534
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,079
because if you're out in the woods, way out in

535
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:15,480
the woods, wherever it is, you don't live there, you

536
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,440
can avoid the place. You get out of there one piece. Okay,

537
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,400
I've never going back. Well, if you're at home and

538
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:28,280
have an encounter, obviously totally different matter. To highlight it,

539
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:32,719
there was a young man, this was years ago. This

540
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,239
was about ten years ago or so. I think there

541
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,400
was a young man who and by young men, I

542
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,840
mean I think he was probably twelve or thirteen ish.

543
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,039
He was in bed one night and he heard something

544
00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:53,000
out on the street and got out of bed, walked

545
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,719
over to the window and he just parted the drapes

546
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,639
enough to be able to look out, and the street

547
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:03,400
was lit by street lights, but he still couldn't see

548
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,639
all that well. Well, as he's looking around, just felt

549
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:11,039
like he was sneaking a peek. Everyone else seemed to

550
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,519
be asleep, and he was just looking out there, trying

551
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,760
to see what he could to try and identify what

552
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,159
made this noise, and also just to take a look

553
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:23,360
at how things looked late at night. Well, all of

554
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,559
a sudden, he noticed motion across the street between two houses,

555
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,599
so he's focused on that area, and then out of

556
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:32,599
the shadows came this dog man. He didn't know what

557
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:35,440
dog mean to wear back then, But out of the shadows,

558
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:42,119
he said, came a werewolf. And the werewolf walked out

559
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,199
to the street, and as he's watching it, he's kind

560
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,320
of tightening up that hole that he's peeking through the

561
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,440
dreaps to try and look at this quote unquote werewolf. Well,

562
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,519
all of a sudden, the werewolf just snapped its head

563
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:58,840
up and locked eyes right on his position, like it

564
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,840
was staring right into his eye because he only had

565
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,679
one eye, I'm sure looking out the drapes there. Well,

566
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:08,719
after it did that, just a split second after it

567
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,360
did that, it made haste coming all the way across

568
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,000
the street in his direction and across his front yard

569
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,719
towards his house, and he just tightened the drapes back

570
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,039
together so he couldn't be seen. And just imagine the

571
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:29,519
horror of seeing that. You see a dog man coming

572
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:33,079
across the street, it looks up and seemingly looks right

573
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:35,400
at you, even though you're peeking through a hole in

574
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,159
the small hole in the drapes. Imagine the horror of that.

575
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,199
So now you've got to lay in your bed the

576
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,360
rest of the night and you're just lit listening for

577
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,199
any hint that this thing has broken into your house,

578
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,760
and it's probably heading up the stairs, heading your way.

579
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,599
It knows what room you're in. Just imagine the horror

580
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:55,960
of that. So that's why I say, having an encounter

581
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,840
at home, that's got to be one of the worst

582
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,960
places to have an encounter.

583
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and I agree with you. I mean,

584
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:07,599
your house is your home, is your safe space. So

585
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:10,400
when you have a bad experience at home with any

586
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,199
of these cryptids or just anything paranormal in general, it

587
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,079
really it really robs you of that that feeling of

588
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,519
being safe and snug in your own home, but the

589
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:26,280
windows closed and the doors locked and under your covers

590
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,760
and stuff like that. I mean, I know when I

591
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,559
spoke to Rachel, she was only eleven years old, and

592
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,880
she said she had nightmares for years, you know. And

593
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,639
the same thing with a Billy. Billy actually went on

594
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,840
to try to get professional help because it was so bad.

595
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:48,280
It was so bad with him, you know, it really

596
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,840
messed him up so bad seeing something like that. I mean,

597
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,960
and there's a lot more to Billy's story. I ended

598
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,320
it up, Like I said, I congensed a lot of

599
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,199
stuff for the show tonight and know how long we're

600
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,679
going to go. But so yeah, no, and this stuff

601
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:05,920
stays with you for your whole life, especially at a

602
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,360
young age. It stays with you for your whole life,

603
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,159
and whenever you talk about it, or read about it

604
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,719
or hear about it, you relive those experiences like they

605
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,960
happened yesterday.

606
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,679
Speaker 2: Oh sure you do. Yeah, it's really unfortunate too.

607
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:27,199
Speaker 4: Yes, good it is.

608
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: Patrick. Are you still with us? I am good man.

609
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,719
Sorry to take so much time away from you when

610
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,000
you have so many interesting things to share as well.

611
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,519
Please do that now. I know you've got some case

612
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:42,960
files that you've prepped to share tonight also, so please

613
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,320
do that.

614
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 3: We'll do. My team is actually starting out for the

615
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,480
special Response Teams for the NADP, so I kind of

616
00:38:55,519 --> 00:39:01,239
get more intense encounters. There is such a thing. My

617
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:07,079
first case is actually in Tennessee. It's about an hour

618
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,599
and a half away from the l B L which

619
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:16,039
I'm sure everybody here has heard of. Her case is

620
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:19,199
really interesting to me because it actually kind of gets

621
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,480
away from the norms of dog men, whereas a lot

622
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,599
of people think, you know, dogmn are migratory animals, kind

623
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:31,280
of moving back and forth. She seems to have had

624
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,039
a pack set up on her property. I'll call her

625
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:40,639
Laura for for anonymity, but she's had the full gambit

626
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,119
of you know, waking up in the middle of the

627
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:50,239
night to dog man tapping on her cabin window, you know,

628
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:57,840
livestock disappearing, watching her actually some of the cooler photos

629
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,119
that I've gotten from her and involve her working in

630
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,239
the yard and you can see in the background there's

631
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:11,840
a dog man hiding. She's well, let me say that

632
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,000
her case is actually the exception, not the example. I've

633
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,760
actually spoken with you about her before, Vic. This is

634
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,400
the lady that was shooting at dog man so much

635
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,239
that they've gotten used to her. And I didn't even

636
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,880
think that would be possible, because most of the time

637
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,760
when a shooting occurs, that the encounter gets much much worse.

638
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,519
And in her case, I don't know if it's the

639
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,480
calibers or she's using because she's using very small calibers

640
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,280
that I don't know if it's just not phasing the

641
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,719
dog man, or if she has something else entirely going on.

642
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,440
But about Midsummer she started leaving water out for them

643
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:02,599
and has actually kind of gotten to where they almost

644
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:09,159
have like a homeostasis going on with the encounter. We

645
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:15,920
actually brought in a PhD in etheology, which is animal behavior.

646
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:22,159
I'm really interested in getting doctor Reid involved with this

647
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,880
case to get more understanding about maybe the motive behind

648
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:33,480
dog Man and the way they approach us. She's had

649
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,239
since then, she since the summer, she still gets watched

650
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,880
quite a bit, but they don't approach them at all,

651
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,000
whereas before she was literally terrified that one of them

652
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:54,880
was after her daughter. And she's had stuff where her

653
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,880
car got damaged from a dog man, just stuff like that.

654
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:07,119
Speaker 2: You know, Wow, poor thing. Life's difficult enough without having

655
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:08,679
problems like that to deal with.

656
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 3: Right well, especially since she actually sold everything she owned

657
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,320
to move to this property in Tennessee with her family,

658
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:19,480
so there is no egress out of that.

659
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I'd say not that's horrible. What's she going

660
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:25,199
to do?

661
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: Actually, we're actually looking to set up a long term

662
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:35,599
surveillance type of investigation there. We've run into a few

663
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:40,000
hiccups with power there. Her property is more or less

664
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,239
homesteadish and runs on a generator. So we're gathering up

665
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,519
enough solar equipment to be able to run full time

666
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:57,320
surveillance twenty four to seven there and maybe find a

667
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,039
little bit more piece for there that if she decides

668
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:05,480
to stay, or if she can leave, or if she

669
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:08,440
needs to leave, then she'd I mean, what's more important

670
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,760
your belongings or your family?

671
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, no doubt about that, And unfortunately it

672
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,039
sounds like she's awfully or remote and nicely. That definitely

673
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:20,599
doesn't help.

674
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's, like I said, probably about an hour and

675
00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:28,960
a half drive from the LBL up in the mountains.

676
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:34,679
She does have quite a bit of topography to her

677
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,800
land and quite a bit of running water, and it

678
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,119
does seem to be prime time habitat for dog man.

679
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:46,320
And even what makes it even worse than that is

680
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,559
she had a temporary site set up for her cabin

681
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:53,440
to be, but they were going to build a homestead

682
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,639
what looks to be where the den for the dogmen are.

683
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,599
So definitely a lot of rethinking going on in that.

684
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say, so that's not good, right.

685
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: My second case file is one that actually brought me

686
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,840
to the n a DP. Fair warning, this might be

687
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,360
a little gruesome for some people in the chat if

688
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:31,079
you're listening, kind of your discretion is advised. A friend

689
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:36,079
of mine's dad passed away under some very odd circumstances.

690
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,320
It's still an ongoing investigation, so I'm just gonna say

691
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:47,239
it's between Dallas and the Oklahoma border. But his case

692
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,920
is very similar to the Christopher Whiteley case, wherein he

693
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,280
left out of his house and he was an older gentleman.

694
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:01,280
But he walked the store every day, got himself a drink,

695
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:04,480
got himself pack of cigarettes, and then he went back

696
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:10,239
to the house and he did this every day. Last summer,

697
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:15,960
he went out one day and never came back. They

698
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:22,519
found his body about half a mile away seven days later,

699
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:30,079
in very very bad shape. Both of his femurs were snapped,

700
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:33,960
which there's no animals in that area that are capable

701
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:40,320
of snapping the human femur. He was very much so dismembered,

702
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:46,000
no signs of scavenging from anything, and he was found

703
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,719
about one hundred and fifty yards off the road, up

704
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:55,159
against a woodline. So that's really kind of what got

705
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:59,559
me into dogmens because I remember growing up watching Unsolved

706
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:02,840
Mystery and being that kid that wasn't really interested in

707
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,119
the true crime parts of it, but the cryptid stuff,

708
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:09,199
now that was cool. And that's, like I said, that

709
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,679
just kind of dawned me back to the Michigan dog Man,

710
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:16,000
And when I found out about that, I went digging

711
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:19,519
and found the NADP and joined up.

712
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:27,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a pretty gruesome keys. Some of these encounters,

713
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,880
they don't end well with the eyewitness going a way unscratched,

714
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,920
and the dog man had in its way. Sometimes it

715
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,039
does get ugly, but then again, we don't know for

716
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:38,840
sure what it was it did that. It's possible it

717
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,880
could have been something besides a dog man, maybe another cryptid,

718
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,639
but sure does point in the direction of it being

719
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:46,320
a dog man.

720
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:50,679
Speaker 3: Right. Well, Like I said, this kind of it reminds

721
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,159
me too much of the Christopher Whiteley case, where you know,

722
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,880
he went from his house to walk a quarter mile

723
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,440
to the road to get a ride work, and they

724
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,280
found him a half mile in the other direction, unlived

725
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,880
in a pretty gruesome manner and wedged up underneath scrub brush.

726
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,840
That was either his last attempt to try to get

727
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:19,920
away or he was stashed there, but nothing had eaten

728
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,400
on him. And the way he was killed, it's not

729
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:32,320
really indicative of natural wildlife in that area. I know.

730
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,119
A couple of years later they came back out and

731
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:35,920
said it was a mountain line that did it. But

732
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:38,920
the way he died is not the way a mountain

733
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,719
line takes out prey or people.

734
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say not. Yeah, that's really tragic and unfortunate.

735
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:53,960
What about the other case files you have ready to share.

736
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: With this Those are the only two that I brought tonight.

737
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:03,400
Actually got another gentleman up in Oklahoma that I've actually

738
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,639
talked with you about, but I have not cleared it

739
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:07,280
with him as to whether or not I can talk

740
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:14,519
about his story here tonight. Obviously, in the NAVP, we

741
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:20,119
have a contract that we sign that if a witness

742
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:23,119
does want us to talk about it, then I definitely will.

743
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:26,079
But if they want their want to remain anonymous completely,

744
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,199
then I will absolutely respect that.

745
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: Well that's good, that's really good. That's how it should be. Well,

746
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,679
I've got some questions for you too. Then, Well, if

747
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,039
you could do an investigation in the state you've never

748
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,960
researched in before, what state would that be then?

749
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 4: Why? Oh, man, I would have to say Montana because

750
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,880
I like the Rocky Mountains and it's just all that wilderness.

751
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,079
Do you know, There's more there that meets the eye,

752
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,400
and I just love to be up in the mountains.

753
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,400
I was I think I should have been born a

754
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,679
mountain man, you know. But uh, yeah, now Montana that's

755
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,920
where I want to go. I would definitely go to Montana.

756
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful country. Understand why that was your choice?

757
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:19,360
And everyone listening in the live chat. Now's the time

758
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,239
for you to type your questions that you have for

759
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,639
Alan Patrick and all caps that way, I won't miss them. Patrick,

760
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,360
you've never had a dog me inciting. How much concern

761
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,360
do you have regarding what a siding of your own

762
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,519
might do to your interest in investigating them?

763
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,599
Speaker 3: Honestly, I've I've kind of taken the uh we'll cross

764
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:43,880
that bridge when we get there. But I am definitely

765
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,519
had an interesting past to where I do really well

766
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:53,119
under pressure, well, especially scary situations, you know, kind of

767
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:58,840
just tying back to my paranormal investigation. Uh, so I'm

768
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,599
not too concerned learned about it. I also don't look

769
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:04,840
forward to it at the same.

770
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: Time, you know, understandably, So.

771
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: I mean an encounter is definitely going to come with

772
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:20,159
the territory of what I'm doing, but I'll hold off

773
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:21,519
on it as long as possible.

774
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: Now I can understand that, I can understand why. Let's

775
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,880
get to the first question now from the live chat.

776
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:33,599
It's from Andras Carrizales, and Andres wants to know I

777
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,960
guess this is directed towards you. Patrick. Did either keys

778
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,800
show any signs with something colliding with the person in question?

779
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,440
From the side or behind them.

780
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 3: No. With the Christopher Whiteley case, his throat was torn out.

781
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,519
With the other case, it appears that's the same way

782
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,800
that he passed away. But we they actually had to

783
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,559
wait like four months for a bone report to come back.

784
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,760
He was that predated upon, But it looks like that

785
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,760
was the straw that did it.

786
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why. That's a very delicate area.

787
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,800
I've got one here for you, Al from Jimmie hec

788
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:25,800
and Jimmie wants to know Al mentioned dog men jumping.

789
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,639
Have either Al or Pat seen them jump? And if so,

790
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:30,360
how far? Please?

791
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 4: No, I've never seen them jump. But I know from

792
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:48,599
being out there and investigating and just working with regular

793
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,920
wolves and seeing how high a regular regular wolves can jump,

794
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,960
you would be amazed how high they get up there,

795
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:03,760
And so I would, and I just say something that

796
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:09,760
size ipeatedly. I'm with those kind of haunches. They're just

797
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:15,400
made for exploding and jumping, you know. I just you know,

798
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,960
like tigers can jump eighteen twenty feet straight up in

799
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,840
the air, So I you know, I don't think these

800
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,039
things would have any problem jumping at great distances. I

801
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,760
really don't. It's just one man's opinion. No, I've never

802
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,400
seen him jump. That's the short answer.

803
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 2: Sorry, No, that's a good answer. If you haven't seen them,

804
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,239
then nothing more you can do to describe that. The

805
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,360
next question up is from baby Girl and she wants

806
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,760
to know what's the scariest dog meaning encounter you investigated.

807
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,840
I'm not sure if this is for you al or

808
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,639
for Patrick, but take your pick either one.

809
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Pat.

810
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 3: I would actually say for out come wise, I would

811
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,440
have to go with my case north of Dallas and

812
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:11,920
that being the possible fatality. As far as like far

813
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,400
reaching effects on the witness and the area of it,

814
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,920
I would have to go with an Oklahoma case. So

815
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,840
that was handed where the gentleman definitely does seem to

816
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,239
be suffering with some trauma from.

817
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 2: That, and understandably so poor guy. That's horrible. Looks like

818
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,360
The next question is from the Truth and he wants

819
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,400
to know. Hello, Vic Patrick, do you think dogmen are

820
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:43,440
natural animals?

821
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:50,039
Speaker 3: Thanks? I do, honestly, as far back as they've been

822
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:54,239
documented in our history, I believe that they are very

823
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,880
much so connected with the Sonocephaly, and I think that

824
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,800
over time we've either forgotten about him or our history

825
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,320
is forgotten about him, and I think they're still very

826
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,119
much so here.

827
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: That's a good hYP offices it is. We're going to

828
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,960
ask you this next question now, it's from Enrique, and

829
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:18,320
Enrique wants to know what do you guys think a

830
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:19,119
dog man is.

831
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 4: I think a dogmin is an interdimensional creature. I think

832
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,360
it comes here to hunt. We have a lot of

833
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,639
prey here and I think they're they're a super predator.

834
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:41,920
As far as being in our realm, I've spoken to

835
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,480
a lot of Native American tribes in the in this

836
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:49,039
area and they all say that you know that these

837
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:54,440
creatures walk between worlds like the Sasquatches. And I've been

838
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:59,280
lucky enough to be invited to symposiums and get to

839
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,679
sit down what world renowned psychics will happen to be

840
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,239
sitting at my table, and I asked them. I asked

841
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,639
them all the same question, where where do you believe

842
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,800
these creatures come from? And every single one of them,

843
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,880
to a person, says they're interdimensional. So I think when

844
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,239
they're here in our realm, they're flesh and blood and

845
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,239
they can be killed. I know they can be killed,

846
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:26,599
they have been killed. But I also think, like the Sasquatch.

847
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,480
No one's ever found a body in the woods or

848
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:33,239
a skeleton or anything like that, and I think there's

849
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,760
a reason for that. And the Native Americans believe that

850
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,079
they walk between worlds.

851
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,039
Speaker 2: Well, if they can do that, they sure is one

852
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:46,119
heck of an advantage. It really is. Looks like Darth

853
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:49,639
reeven two point zero has the next question, Oh, send

854
00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:52,519
this one your direction here, Patrick. He wants to know

855
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,960
do all cryptids fight each other in groups?

856
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 3: Honestly, I would have to say no on that. We

857
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:06,760
do have reports of dogmen and bigfoot fighting, but I've

858
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,639
never heard of like brakes running together, or when to

859
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,960
go or anything of that that that sort, So I

860
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,800
would definitely have to go with no.

861
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:20,559
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that now?

862
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:28,599
Speaker 4: I think when you have two from from premiere predators,

863
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:30,920
like a dog man in a big foot, I think

864
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,960
if they do crosspads, yes, there'll be a territorial sight.

865
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 3: I know.

866
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:42,679
Speaker 4: I've researched an account out of uh it was in

867
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:48,840
North Carolina where the dog men were driving the Cherokee

868
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,760
Native Americans out of the woods because they were hunting

869
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,960
in the dog man territory. So the Native Americans came

870
00:56:57,039 --> 00:57:02,760
up with a plan to go to the Sasquatch's sacred

871
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:08,000
sites where their burial mounds, take a skull from the Sassquatch,

872
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,159
put it on a stick in the dog Man territory,

873
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,119
and when the Sasquatches found out that the skull was missing,

874
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:19,280
they started a big war with the dog men, and

875
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,559
the Native Americans thought this would be a good way

876
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,719
for one of these two to be driven away. Unfortunately,

877
00:57:25,719 --> 00:57:28,760
it didn't work out for them because the fight ended up,

878
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:32,400
you know, coming down onto their location where they were

879
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,440
camped out, and they were the ones that ended up

880
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,480
having to get out of dodge because these two creatures

881
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:42,360
were going at it. As far as wind goes and

882
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,960
rakes and stuff like that, I don't think they fight

883
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,920
each other, No, But as far as the premiere predators

884
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,800
like the dogmen in the Bigfoot, yeah I think they do.

885
00:57:57,159 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think I've ever heard a story about

886
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:05,039
numbers of dog Men fighting numbers of Sasquatch, but I

887
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:09,599
have heard that story that you just mentioned, so well,

888
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,000
I guess maybe that is proof that sometimes that does happen,

889
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:16,039
if that story is true, because we're ever gonna know,

890
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,239
but yeah, if it is, that's all the proof we need.

891
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:26,360
Then this next question is from Alex Ventura. He wants

892
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,920
to know where's the video evidence. There's never any This

893
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,079
is why skeptics always win. Well, huh, Al's laughing and

894
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:39,079
I'm laughing too, because he knows. Al knows, I know,

895
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,159
Patrick knows there is video evidence, video evidence. I would

896
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:45,800
blow your socks off. But just because you haven't seen

897
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,639
that evidence, that doesn't mean it's not out there. So yeah,

898
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:53,119
that's my take on that. I shouldn't have answered that question.

899
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,599
My two cents out there, but it's all right. I

900
00:58:56,639 --> 00:59:00,519
couldn't help us, but let's throw this out. I think

901
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:03,320
Al's chomping at he wants to No, I.

902
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 4: Agree with you. I tell people this all the time,

903
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,519
VIC people I meet, it's imposium and I say, where's

904
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:13,119
the photographic evidence? Where's the video evidence? And I say,

905
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,679
just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

906
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:20,599
It's out there. Believe me, it's out there. People have

907
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:27,239
these creatures on their property. People filmed them all the time,

908
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:31,119
but they don't release that evidence to anybody because you know,

909
00:59:31,519 --> 00:59:36,880
it was bad enough back in the day with photoshopping.

910
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,599
Now a AI, no one's ever going to believe any

911
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:43,639
video is real anyway, So I put it out there

912
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:47,280
and be ridiculed by people for no reason. But it's

913
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,800
out there, Alex, It's definitely out there. Believe me. I've

914
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,199
seen it. I know Vick has seen it, and it's

915
00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:55,719
out there.

916
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:01,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely is what your syn on that their, Patrick.

917
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:08,199
Speaker 3: Actually, I have seen photographic evidence of dog Man from

918
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:15,840
the NDP that absolutely crystal clear. This is dog Man.

919
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:20,960
He's right here. And you show it to a skeptic

920
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,960
and they'll turn around and tell you, oh, that's a

921
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,960
scene from Dog Soldiers. And you take them and show

922
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,400
them the wolves from Dog Soldiers and they don't look

923
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,559
anything alike. But it still got to be that. I

924
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:39,039
think sometimes skeptics just want to be skeptics. And I

925
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:43,119
also think that a lot of people, when they're having encounters,

926
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:46,679
the last thing on their mind is I should pull

927
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:48,559
out my camera and take a picture of this thing

928
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:50,039
that's scaring me half to death.

929
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:53,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Those really good points.

930
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, excellent flight, Patrick.

931
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. This next question is from a Lean Mirror

932
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,440
Douglas and Delane wants to know do you think the

933
01:01:03,559 --> 01:01:07,199
reported popping sounds could be some physical calibration from being

934
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:10,599
on four feet to two. Their arms are described as long,

935
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:13,639
and I'm wondering if it might semi received to be

936
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:14,159
on all.

937
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 4: Fours sure an answer yes.

938
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 3: I would actually have to agree with that answer wholeheartedly.

939
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:33,159
Speaker 2: Well, that was easy. This next question fromdeed Truth it

940
01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:36,360
kind of touches on what you just answered two questions ago.

941
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,639
He wants to know what do you feel is the

942
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:40,840
best piece of dog mean evidence that you saw.

943
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 3: I'll take it that. Honestly, the best evidence I've ever

944
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,199
seen was taken from a trial camera from an investigation

945
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,760
that the NADP has done. I believe it was done

946
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,440
in Ohio, but don't quote me on that. But you

947
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:04,159
can actually see, like the back of the shoulder on

948
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:08,960
the dog man is wounded, and it is about as

949
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,119
crystal clear as you can ever get from a trail camera.

950
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:16,320
And to me, that did it right there? You know

951
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:18,760
that that was the proof that I needed.

952
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like you highlighted, there's some really incredible evidence

953
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,760
out there, as clear as if you since your dog

954
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,280
out the back door, it stops about ten feet away,

955
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,159
turns around to look at you, and you've got a

956
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:36,199
camera up just filming it. But like you said, I mean,

957
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,360
just because the evidence is out there and you haven't

958
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,400
seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I can't say

959
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,079
that enough. I hear that all the time, and it's

960
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:48,320
a really weak idea that just because you haven't seen

961
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,679
it it's not out there. It just doesn't make any sense.

962
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,559
Let's find a question for al here. Let's find a

963
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:59,679
good one here. This one's from Bang Bang. She wants

964
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:02,159
to know, now, did you ever go back into the

965
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:04,880
same woods you were headed to before you got stopped

966
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,000
by the men in black?

967
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:12,159
Speaker 4: Yes? I have been back in those woods years later,

968
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:16,960
but yes I have been back in those woods. Yeah, absolutely.

969
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 2: I was wonder if you're going to answer that question.

970
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:28,079
Speaker 4: Well, it's been years so and I'm retired now, so.

971
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:32,159
Speaker 2: I get it. I do. Patrick. Baby girl wants to

972
01:03:32,199 --> 01:03:34,840
know what's the tallest dog man you heard about?

973
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:41,519
Speaker 3: I've heard of ten plus foot now, I've heard encounters

974
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:45,239
on this channel actually that go upwards of twelve, but

975
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:50,280
personally hearing from an eyewitness themselves in person, ten plus foot.

976
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,239
Speaker 2: Well that's tall enough right there. That's right, boy, it

977
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,760
really is. Let's find the question for now.

978
01:03:58,920 --> 01:03:59,239
Speaker 3: Now.

979
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:02,559
Speaker 2: Andre's here as Alas wants to know, did any cases,

980
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:06,280
have the witnesses see the dog man with the invisible chemo?

981
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 3: No, No, I haven't heard any of them. Now.

982
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,119
Speaker 2: I've heard our witnesses report that, but it really is

983
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:20,320
few and far between when it happens.

984
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 4: Very really, and every dog man I've ever seen didn't

985
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:28,719
have any kind of invisible camo on them either. So

986
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,440
you know, just from my perspective as an eyewitness.

987
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:38,719
Speaker 2: Now well, that answers that one Patrick A Scent of

988
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:41,559
Phoenix wants to know. How do you think dogmen evaded,

989
01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:44,960
being sided and captured are the normal flesh and blood

990
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,880
creatures or supernatural?

991
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 3: I definitely believe there are normal flesh and blood creatures

992
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:56,239
too while they're here. My opinion difference difference a little

993
01:04:56,239 --> 01:04:58,760
bit to ols. Like I said, I think they are

994
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,679
from here. They've been here all along, and we've just

995
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:06,119
forgotten about them over time. As far as evading or

996
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:15,320
being cited, honestly, I think they're Their motivation to be

997
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,960
around us is more curious than anything. And most of

998
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,079
the time when one of the tricks that we implore

999
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,519
is to have a camera facing behind you, and most

1000
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:29,400
of the time that's where you're going to find your

1001
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,599
document is behind you. Just checking you out.

1002
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,599
Speaker 2: You have the thought of having one of these things

1003
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:39,639
creeping up behind you. That doesn't give you the warm

1004
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:42,840
and fuzzies. But like you said, that's how they normally do.

1005
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,960
That's their mo. Now, I've got a question for you

1006
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,719
from D Truth and D wants to know there's been

1007
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,679
a lot of Werewolf movies and TV series with Rakes.

1008
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:56,119
Do you think it's a soft disclosure or just coincidence?

1009
01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:02,119
Speaker 4: No, I think it's soft disclosure, absolutely. Yeah, you know,

1010
01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:05,239
I don't think. I don't believe in coincidence. The truth.

1011
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:10,760
I don't think there are any coincidences. I've been in

1012
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,360
this game too long to believe in coincidences.

1013
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,159
Speaker 2: Good Man, I can understand why you might think that.

1014
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:22,679
I can see good arguments both ways. Yeah, absolutely both ways.

1015
01:06:22,719 --> 01:06:25,960
But yeah, I think you're probably right there. Now, how

1016
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:30,639
about one from Bad Pup for you Patrick. He wants

1017
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:32,840
to know how many different types of dog mean and

1018
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,559
squatch are there things. I know of many different types each.

1019
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 3: As far as I've recognized, there's three different types for

1020
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,239
dog Man. Of course, you got your just normal standing

1021
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,920
upright canid, You've got your hyena type, and then you've

1022
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:55,559
got your type three the giant van helsing style werewolf.

1023
01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:59,719
As far as Squatch, I am actually got that first

1024
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,599
in Fasquatch. I think it's gotten a lot of attention,

1025
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:09,199
and it didn't really feel drawn to that.

1026
01:07:09,199 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: That's a good, honest answer, that's always appreciated. Let's try

1027
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,639
one more question and direct this one. Now. It looks

1028
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:20,960
like Scott Langhorst wants to know can wear wolves and

1029
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:22,800
dog meen breed with each other?

1030
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:28,519
Speaker 4: I don't believe. So no, I don't believe that were

1031
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:31,840
wolves actually exist. I don't believe that people actually turn

1032
01:07:32,119 --> 01:07:33,920
I mean, you know, if you want to consider a

1033
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,920
skin walker or a wind to go a were wolf,

1034
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:43,039
you know that can shape shift. But that's more supernatural

1035
01:07:43,239 --> 01:07:49,760
than a human turning into well upright canine creature. Now

1036
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:50,480
I don't believe.

1037
01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that does seem like one heck with Stretch.

1038
01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:57,800
I'll never say anything's impossible in this crazy world, but

1039
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:00,440
it really does seem like one heck was Stretch that

1040
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,679
that could be possible. It really does, so I agree

1041
01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:08,280
with you there. All right, Let's try one more question here.

1042
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,760
This one's for Pat. It looks like Lene Rameiro Douglas

1043
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,639
wants to know what about dog men and their behaviors

1044
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,600
unsettles all of you the most. What do you find

1045
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,119
to be the most frightening about them?

1046
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 3: Honestly, as a hunter myself, I would say that their

1047
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,279
ability to sneak up on you from behind like a

1048
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:36,079
game warden does. That's definitely unsettling. Like I said, most

1049
01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:39,279
of the pictures we get are from them walking or

1050
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:43,279
them coming up from behind you, and you never hear

1051
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:46,640
them coming, and that's just like a game warden.

1052
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 2: How about you, al, what do you have to say

1053
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:52,119
about that?

1054
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd have to I'd have to say the same

1055
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,960
thing that Patrick Patrick said, because just list October I

1056
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:04,359
was out with my cousin and we had a dog

1057
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,760
man go off in the woods. It set off a

1058
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,000
pack of coyotes. But we weren't there for the dog man.

1059
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:12,960
We were there for the sasquatches. And when we came

1060
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:19,199
down off of the high plateau, that same dog man,

1061
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:22,720
I believe, came over to where we were and he

1062
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,840
was standing no further than a hundred feet behind us,

1063
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,479
up on a small hill, and we didn't hear him

1064
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:35,119
come across, and he screamed so loud that it went

1065
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:38,279
through my cousin, who was standing behind me and through me.

1066
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:46,479
And it was crazy because my cousin's father told me

1067
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,640
before I left the house, bring him home in one piece.

1068
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,960
When this thing went off, and I felt it was

1069
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,039
directed at me personally that I was back in the

1070
01:09:58,039 --> 01:10:00,960
woods and he wasn't happy about it. But I wasn't

1071
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,800
on the dog Man's side of the woods. I was

1072
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,319
on the Sasquatch one of the woods. But I remember

1073
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:08,079
turning to my cousin right then and there and I

1074
01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:11,840
was like, Okay, we have a four mile hike out.

1075
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,119
We're not gonna stop for water or breaks. We're gonna

1076
01:10:16,359 --> 01:10:20,119
We're gonna take this sixty pound packs and walk out

1077
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:23,199
of these woods NonStop. Because I didn't want the dog

1078
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:25,399
Man to flank us and get in front of us,

1079
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,600
because there was only one way out and I didn't

1080
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,439
want to have to, you know, try to fight my

1081
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:35,000
way out of there that night, you know. And it

1082
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:38,880
was it was crazy night, and the screams were so loud,

1083
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:42,359
and it was the last thing I expected to run

1084
01:10:42,399 --> 01:10:46,359
into was the dog Man. And I think because the

1085
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:49,880
dog Man was out that night and prowling about that

1086
01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:51,279
nothing else was.

1087
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1088
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 4: That was that was It was very you know, and

1089
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,760
you know, my cousin is very sensitive, like psychic sensitive,

1090
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:05,760
and he's very it's got very good control over his emotions.

1091
01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:08,520
And the kid. He never shook the kid at all.

1092
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,640
It's only a twenty year old kid, you know, and

1093
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,880
it never shook him at all. Like he didn't give

1094
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:16,920
it a second thought because I'm so confident in my

1095
01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:19,920
ability to get us in and out, you know that

1096
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:23,479
he just said, Okay, I'm with cousin Al, We'll be fine.

1097
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,399
But I you know, when it went off the first

1098
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,560
time and I sent you guys audio tonight, victim you

1099
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,600
could listen to it, I felt that was directed at

1100
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,359
me as well, even though we were miles away up

1101
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,159
on a high rit on a high plateau. And then

1102
01:11:38,199 --> 01:11:41,079
when it came over and it was only one hundred

1103
01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:44,960
feet behind us, I mean, if that thing wanted us,

1104
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,520
it probably could have jumped off that little hill onto

1105
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,840
my cousin, you know, and then onto me, and it

1106
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,199
could have had his bolt and it could have flanked

1107
01:11:55,239 --> 01:11:59,199
us at any time it wanted to. But I think

1108
01:11:59,239 --> 01:12:03,520
it followed us out. Honestly, we both felt its energy

1109
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,479
behind us. And again, you know, they give off a

1110
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,239
negative vibe, you know, and I think they do that

1111
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,840
because they feed off our fear. But we weren't afraid.

1112
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,760
We just we took our time and we hiked out.

1113
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,680
And I'm an old dude, you know, and I'm carrying

1114
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,159
a sixty pounds pack four miles NonStop. I've never done

1115
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:27,199
that before, but that night, I was going to push

1116
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:29,640
you to the limit because I wanted to get him

1117
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,760
out of there on one piece. So, yeah, the way

1118
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,680
they creep up on you, I mean for creature that

1119
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,520
big and that heavy. And I always think people underestimate

1120
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,159
their weight as well. You know, they say, oh, it's

1121
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:45,439
about seven feet twelve three, four hundred pounds. I think

1122
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,119
there are a lot heavier than people think they are.

1123
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes two of us. I think people will

1124
01:12:52,039 --> 01:12:55,800
underestimate their weight all the time. I really do. Yeah, well,

1125
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,760
it's about time for us to get after your gentlemen

1126
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,720
before we do. Now, what would be the best way

1127
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,840
for dogming witnesses who have had dogman encounters in New

1128
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,199
York State to report their encounters to you?

1129
01:13:07,319 --> 01:13:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1130
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 4: They could. They could report it on the New York's

1131
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:14,600
the NADPH New York State Chapter website, or they could

1132
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,760
hit me up directly on the Facebook, on Messenger, you know,

1133
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,640
if they if they want to just talk to me personally,

1134
01:13:22,039 --> 01:13:26,319
because being the regional Tree director, I have to deal

1135
01:13:26,359 --> 01:13:28,640
with you know, states all the way from Maine all

1136
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,920
the way down to Maryland, you know, so there's a

1137
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:36,039
lot of states involved. So yeah, I mean, you know,

1138
01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:37,960
they could just they could they could post it on

1139
01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:41,000
the an ADP page, or they could just reach out

1140
01:13:41,039 --> 01:13:41,760
to me directly.

1141
01:13:43,119 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: Well, that makes it really easy, It really does. And

1142
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,079
poor Al it doesn't look like the coffee is wearing off.

1143
01:13:50,119 --> 01:13:52,039
It looks like it's worn off.

1144
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 4: Can you hear it in my voice?

1145
01:13:55,279 --> 01:13:57,520
Speaker 2: No, I can see it. I can see. You've been

1146
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,199
it for a long time. I know. So you got

1147
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:01,359
me feeling sorry for you.

1148
01:14:01,359 --> 01:14:06,199
Speaker 4: Oh no, Vick, I'm fine, believe me. I'm so signed. Absolutely, yeah,

1149
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:08,920
I'm good. Good, let's go another hour.

1150
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,520
Speaker 2: Okay, No, I can't do that to you. That'd be horrible.

1151
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:20,119
Although I do enjoy a company, of course. You're welcome. Patrick.

1152
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:22,520
How about you? How about Texas eye witnesses. What's the

1153
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,239
best way for them to contact you about their encounters?

1154
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 3: The best way to contact me directly is on Facebook

1155
01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:34,760
through our Texas state chapters of the North American dog

1156
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,199
Man Projects page, or you can hit me up on

1157
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:42,640
Facebook and I know you can't see me here, you

1158
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:48,199
can search me. I'm wearing a white polo bald heads sunglasses.

1159
01:14:48,399 --> 01:14:53,520
Can't miss me from Longview, Texas. That or you can

1160
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:57,359
contact me straight through the North American North American Document

1161
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,800
Projects webite. All so kind of a shameless plug here.

1162
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:04,560
The pictures I was telling you all about those are

1163
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,439
on that website and the evidence files.

1164
01:15:08,119 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 2: We have MP.

1165
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 3: Three's, we have some short videos, we have pictures, and

1166
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,760
actually another shameless plug for the NADP is where we're

1167
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:23,920
now eleven thousand members worldwide. Definitely a lot of different

1168
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:28,880
points of view on the problem, and that's that's a

1169
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,960
good thing in my opinion, because that lets us really

1170
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,319
get a three hundred and sixty degree view on how

1171
01:15:35,319 --> 01:15:38,119
to solve this problem.

1172
01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:40,159
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of minds are almost always better

1173
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:44,279
than one, so that's a good point. Well, gentlemen, I

1174
01:15:44,319 --> 01:15:46,159
can't thank you enough for coming on the show and

1175
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:49,239
sharing these keys files and answering all these questions. I

1176
01:15:49,279 --> 01:15:50,319
really appreciate it.

1177
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 3: Thank you, Vic, Yeah, thank you for having us.

1178
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,520
Speaker 4: And if I could, if I could just say Vic,

1179
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,720
the NADP is a better place Patrick has come aboard.

1180
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:05,880
He's really top notch uh uh.

1181
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Speaker 3: Rap, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Gonna make me blush though, Well that means a lot

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coming from you, Al, It really does.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what how much it means, but but

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I'm sincere what I say. He's definitely, uh you know,

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a big piece to the puzzle. He's a hell of

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a hell of investigator and a researcher, and we're better off.

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We're a better off organization having him with us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, I've learned a lot from Al over

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my time with the group. Uh, Kenny Shane, you know,

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Todd uh, Brian Bowden. I mean you get you get

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to you get to really talk with the legends in

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the field, and they really bring you up to their

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level pretty quick. So I definitely got to say thank

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you to y'all guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a wealth of knowledg He's being humble,

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but no matter what Al says here to be humble,

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it does mean a lot when he says something like that.

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It really does.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't say it if it didn't mean it.

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Believe me. It's the kind of guy I am.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know, you see what you mean. That's a

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good quality. Well, gentlemen, Like I said, thanks again so

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much for your time. Remember, if I can never help

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you two out, so I have to do is just

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let me know because I'll be more than happy to

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be there for you.

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Speaker 3: The same for you Vic.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's appreciated.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Vic, Thank you for having us. It was

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my pleasure to be here. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. Thanks again so much, guys, and have a

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great night.

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Speaker 4: Good night, good night, everybody, good night, everybody.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's a wrap. That's for wrap for another show.

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But before I get out of here, just to put

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it out there, if you've had a dog mean encounter

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that you need help with, or maybe you'd like to

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be a guest on this show, if you go to

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Dogmancounters dot com mid a report, I'll be more than

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happy to reach out to you and schedule a consultation

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with you on the phone so I can find out

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what's either wrong and what's giving you trouble, or find

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out more about your encounter and schedule a show.

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Speaker 3: Recording with you.

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Speaker 2: But having said that, thanks again so much everyone for listening.

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I really do appreciate it. Then, have a great night,