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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us for this special episode of Dogman
Encounters Radio. I really appreciate you being here. For tonight's show.
We've got a guest who's been a regular on the show.
He's been on several times and he's actually a fan favorite.
Whether he wants to admit it or not, he probably won't,
but that's the truth. That's how it is. Of course,
I'm talking about Al Santa Riga. And we've got another
guest who I've known about for quite some time. I've
known that he's been a dog Man researcher for the
North American dog Man Project. Well for quite some time.
I've kicked on the idea of asking him to come
on the show. I wasn't sure what his response would be,
but recently I asked him about doing a show with Alan.
He luckily agreed to come on and do this. So
for tonight's show, what we're going to do is we've
got a specialist here, Al from New York State when
it comes to dog man encounters. And we also have
a specialist here, Patrick from Texas who they're both going
to be here to share a case files, answer questions,
general questions about both of the regions, and all kinds
of other things. Well, without any further ado, let's bring
them in here now, Alan, Patrick, thanks so much for
being here.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having us, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Vick, Oh, You're welcome. You are welcome. Now. You've been
on the show several times, like I said, but I'm
sure there are people listening who miss those episodes. With
that in mind, please tell us about yourself.
Speaker 4: Yes, my name is al Stan Ariga. I'm the director
of the Broxville Paranormal Society, the New York State Sasquash Organization,
the New York State UFO Project, and the New York
State dog Man Project. I'm also Region three director from
the North American dog Man Project Animal fon men.
Speaker 2: Goodness gracious, Al, do you have time to eat?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Starting to wonder there, how about you?
Speaker 3: Patrick, Patrick Bryan, I'm the Texas State rep for the
North American dog Man Project. Prior to joining the project
about a year and a half ago. I'm mainlyized and
paranormal investigations, but something brought me to the dog man
community and I really do like it here. Well, that's great.
That sure beats so alternative. Now, you've been on the
show several times, like I said, talking about a lot
of dog man related to topics with me. But here's
the subject that we've never broached. I'm sure it's not
lost in you that a lot of the listeners will
like to try their own hand of being dogman investigators.
But what is it about being a dogman investigator that
you don't think most of those people have considered when
it comes to doing this kind of work.
Speaker 4: But fear factor, You really put yourself in harm's way,
you do when you go out there looking for these creatures.
They are not a gentle, huggable, lovable creatures by any
stretch of the imagination. I don't believe their bloodthirsty killers either,
at least not all the time. I mean, I've walked
down out of the woods many times. But yeah, I
really tried to turn people away from doing that, you know,
going out looking for him and putting themselves in harm's way,
because you know, I Vic and I had this conversation recently.
I think Patrick was in the conversation on the feed
we had One time on the NADP there was a
guy who wanted to go out and I said to him,
I said, you know, explain to me what you think
you know, because there's a lot of bid information out there,
and explain to me what you think you need to
protect yourself and in any sort of situation. And he
really couldn't answer any of those questions and he kind
of went went away. I haven't heard from him since.
But I'm just and I wasn't trying to put the
guy on the spot or be mean to I just
wanted to know what kind of info he had, because
I didn't want him going out there with bad information,
you know, And I wanted to set them straight. You
know what you need, if you're really going to go
out there and do this, what you need to protect
yourself in a bad situation. But I'm not going to
tell people what they need to go out there and
do this and have them go out on my account
because they think, you know, Al told me to do
this and then go out there and get themselves killed
or injured, you know. So it's just it's something I
don't recommend telling people to do, and I never tell
anybody where my locations are because I don't want anyone
going there and you know, trying to investigate and ended
up getting themselves killed on my account, That's just the
way I feel about it.
Speaker 2: You know, Al, I'm so glad you made the points
that you did, because it really sticks to my craw
there are so many people who head into the field
or trying to find a dog man without having answered
those questions that you told us about asking that man.
It's crazy to go out to put yourself in the
presence for to try to put yourself in the presence
of one of these things without having the answers to
those questions in just without any question, just knowing those
answers right away. If you haven't put enough thought into
doing this to know the answers to those questions that
you just brought up, it's insandity head into the woods
and try to put yourself into the presence of a
dog man. There's so many people that go out there
and do this without planning, with reckless abandon I mean,
it's just a wonder that more people don't get hurt
or even killed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know I and I you know, like
I said, I wasn't trying to be mean to the
guy or make it make a fool out of them.
I just wanted to make I wanted to hear what
he thought he knew, just to set him straight, because
you really should get a second opinion on what you
think you know, just to make sure that everybody you're
talking to who you believe to be. And I hate
this word experts because I'm not an expert by any
stretch of the imagination. But make sure everybody's on the
same page of Joe of ex is telling you this,
and why is telling you that? And somebody is wrong,
don't go out you.
Speaker 2: Know, Oh definitely. Yeah, it's crazy to think that anyone
would be an expert in the dogman field unless they
can just call on up at will and tell you
every last thing about them, which no one can, then
you can't be an expert.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, like I said, As again, I
just wanted to know what this gentleman thought he knew.
And I guess he must be. He may have taken
it the wrong way. Being from New York, I have
a tendency of coming across the wrong way. I don't
know why, but people tend to always take me the
wrong way. And I didn't mean to offend him or
belittle him by any stretching imagination. I just wanted to
make sure he knew what he was getting into and
he had the right information in his back pocket that
he would need to be out there well.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a delicate subject. You handled it in
a delicate way. It's a shame that you had to
look out for his best interest when he didn't. He
was ready to go out there with reckless abandon and
you had to cover for him to make sure that
he was ready. It really is a shame that he
didn't put more thought into that than that. Patrick, do
your field investigations ever follow you home? In other words,
have you had any dog mean related nightmares or other
issues that were brought on from doing.
Speaker 3: What you do? Todate? I have not. I'm not going
to rule out that possibility though. Actually, if I could,
could I circle around back to what I was talking
about with that conversation. He mentioned that he's not an expert.
Nobody in this field is an expert. But if I
have al giving me advice on how to proceed with
a situation. I am definitely going to listen to that.
And with that gentleman being scared off by Al asking
a couple of questions, he was in no way, shape
or form ready to go look for dog man.
Speaker 2: You're right, really good point. Like I said, I just
shudder to think about all these people who put themselves
in their presence out there, who just are totally unprepared.
If you're unprepared for going to the store because you
forgot your list, that's one thing. If you're unprepared to
put yourself in the presence of a dog man, totally different.
It's just frustrating, it really is. Al. What does your
wife think about all the time you spend in the
field investigating these things. Has she ever asked to go
into the field with you on an investigation?
Speaker 4: Oh? God, no, she will never come out into the
middle little woods with me. She always I invite her
and my son all the time because they're big skeptics,
you know, And I said, just come with me, just
and they're both like, oh, we have better things to
do than the hike four miles in the woods at
the dead of night and sit and freeze our butts off.
You know, but you know, she doesn't really believe encryptids,
you know, so I take a lot of abuse for
my family.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a shame considering how many times you've seen
these things. I wish they'd believe you.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I mean they've even come to the house, so,
I mean, I don't know what. I don't know what
else to tell.
Speaker 3: Them, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, i'd say, so you had one under your
front porch any more intense than that? Do your kids
know what dog men are in that their daddy investigates
cases where eye witnesses have seen them.
Speaker 3: Actually, my daughter she is twenty and is actually one
of the researchers from my team here in Texas. My
son is twelve, and he is already asking to go
out when he's old enough.
Speaker 2: Wow, what are your thoughts on that? Do you ever
get a little nervous having your daughter out there and
possibly being in a situation where she could get hurt?
Speaker 3: Well? With us, the researchers actually do more of the time,
date and location and specifically location where we need to
be at. They very rarely go out into the field,
whereas we kind of do. Run a difference between the
investigation investigators and the researcher. My son is definitely wanting
to go to the investigator route, and that one does
make me a little nervous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why. We all think back to
how we were when we were eighteen or capable enough,
old enough to do things like this. Then we remember
how bulletproof we thought we were. So yeah, that shouldn't
make anyone nervous any father, right.
Speaker 3: That's actually my team is quite a bit of a family.
My daughter's the researcher for my team. My son in
law is an investigator, his cousin is an investigator for us,
and his cousin's wife is a researcher slash investigator for
us as well.
Speaker 2: Wow, a lot of family members. That's great, yeh. Keeping
it in the family.
Speaker 3: Definitely want people that can you know you're going to
have your back when you're out there.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, you know when you're dealing with something like this.
All right, now, you've prepped some case files that you're
going to share with us tonight.
Speaker 4: Please do that now, Okay, vic, I didn't really know
how many case files you wanted me to pull, So
what I did was I pulled four and I kind
of edited them to make them shorter because I didn't
know how much time we were going to have. Three
of the case files you actually gave to me to
interview the the witnesses and were I'm sure they were
on I remember they were on your show. And one
of them came from a paranormal friend of mine who
lives across the river here in Orange County. Some couple
reached out to him and he pointed him in my direction.
So I'm going to start with the one that was
in Orange County. I received, I received the I received
the report on October nineteen, twenty twenty. We're going to
call the witness Paul. All the names have been changed
protect the identity of the witnesses, and it was The
time was twelve thirty am. The location was West Point
US Military Academy in Orange County, New York, now West Point.
It is a federal property and they really shouldn't have
been on there. They could have gotten arrested. But these
were college kids that were off for the summer and
they wanted to go and camp at West Point. They
knew a location on the outside of the fence which
was broken, and they had snuck in through the broken fence.
So on the date it happened was August twenty twenty.
Of the witness said there was a group of six
of them, three men, three women, and they snuck onto
the grounds of West Point to go camping overnight, and
at dusk, they began to start hearing movement all around them.
Thinking it was the military police, they put up their
hands and surrendered and said, okay, you got us, you
know what I mean, Come out and arrest us. But
no one ever came out to arrest them, which made
them very confused. So the men grabbed their fleshlights and
started to look to see who was out there. And
what they did was they actually seen shadows moving from
tree to tree, and they weren't really sure what they
were dealing with at the time. And then one point
later on in the evening, they started to hear howling
and growling, and the girls got scared and they said, okay,
you know, maybe it's time for us to leave. And
just as they started to leave, they heard creatures. What
they heard was a group of animals running towards them.
They didn't know what was coming at them at that point.
They just heard something charging at him through the woods,
like three or four different animals charging at him. So
they took off, running for that hole in the fence.
And when they got into the hall of the fence
and they looked back, they could see what they looked like,
what they described to me as were wolves. They said
they looked like werewolves. They were nine feet tall, they
were black, and they the guys jumped in there. Everybody
jumped in their cars and they got away. But the
guys went back the next day to get all their
gear because they had set up the tents and everything
and they had their gear there. But they when they
ran out, they were leaving everything behind. They just like,
we're getting out of here, because they didn't know what
was coming at him. They didn't sound like, you know,
I heard of elephants coming at him. And when they
went back the next day, the guys went back the
next day, they found their tents shredded into a million pieces,
all three tenths and their backpacks and their equipment and
everything was just thrown all over the woods. So after
I interviewed this this gentleman over the phone, I actually
drove out to Orange County. It's not really that far
from me West Point and I drove out and I
met him, Paul, and his girlfriend Wendy we'll call her Wendy,
at the local diner, and we talked and I took
a very long, detailed report. Like I said, I didn't
want to get into intricate and all the and all
the information because I had I had put four reports
together for tonight and I didn't know much time we
were going to have. But when I went there and
we sat there, we talked, and we were I was
there for like two hours with them, and I filled
you know, it was just a ton of stuff recorded,
a ton of stuff everything. We actually went back to
this road where they had parked their cars on how
they were they sneak in, you know, and it's a
dead end road off of a off a back row.
It's a back road. It's a dead end road. And
from the street you can see the fence where the
fence was broken, you know, where you can sneak in.
But from the other side, the way the hedge rows
were growing and the bushes and the shrubs were growing,
you couldn't tell if you were on the inside. You
couldn't tell the fence was broken. You could only tell
from the outside. Now, he invited me to go in
with him. He was going to show me location, but
at the time, I was a federal employee and I
didn't want to get arrested on federal property, so I
chose not to go in. But yeah, that you know,
when they were telling me the story, his girlfriend, Wendy,
she was she broke down and she was crying, hysterical,
and he had goose bumps. He had tears in his eyes.
And I could see these kids were serious as a
heart attack. You know, what they thought they seen were
a group of werewolves chasing him out of the woods.
It's now, I had never heard of dog men being
on the grounds at West Point. Now, people have to understand,
West Point is twenty five square miles of property. They
do reenactment work, were reenactments on it all the time,
and I've heard of bigfoots being on there in West Point,
but I had never heard of any dogmen until this
one experience. Man, Yeah, it was did these kids were
you know, they were college kids. They were off for
the summer, and they said let's go, you know, sneak
on the property and have a camp out. But they
didn't expect to run across what they ran across that night.
They were probably but it was all said and done,
they were probably wishing it was the MPs coming to
arrest them.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure they were yeah, mentally scarred, yes.
Speaker 4: Mentally scarred, yes, I mean they were. They were, especially
at least Wendy. She was really in bad shape. I
don't know about the other guy's girlfriends, but the couple
that I interviewed and I hung out with, both of
them were mentally scarred. Yeah, like they're just like, you know,
like when I tried to explain to them what these
creatures were, like, they're not were wolves. They don't They're
not humans will turn into to you know, were wolves.
They're these are creatures that are here. They're flesh and
blood and.
Speaker 3: They could be.
Speaker 4: Killed, you know, if you know where to shoot them.
And I said, but you know, they just wanted you
out of that area that night because you guys didn't
get away from them. And I tried, and I tried
to emphasize this, you guys didn't get away from them.
They just drove you out because if they wanted you,
they would have gotten all six of you, you know,
which scared them even more when I told them that,
but I was being honest with.
Speaker 3: Them, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, And I'm glad you told them that, just
telling them the truth, which is what they need to know. Yeah, definitely.
What other case files do you have for us?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, the other ones were you were you were
the one who hooked me up with these people, and
it was I received this on eight fifteen twenty And
we'll call the witnesses Rachel and Lindsay and their their
encounter happened on five twenty five, two thousand and seven,
right two, yeah, two thousand and seven, So it must
have came. I must have got it years later. Ten
It was ten thirty at night the when the accounter happened.
It happened out on Suffolk County and Long Island, New York.
And the witnesses went on to explain to me that Rachel,
she was only like eleven years old at the time,
and her and her girlfriend Lindsey were at their summerhouse,
Rachel's summerhouse on Long Island, and they had to use
the restroom, and the only restroom in the house was working,
that was working was down in the basement, and as
they were coming up out of the basement window.
Speaker 3: They seen.
Speaker 4: Leaning against the tree or behind a tree, a creature
that they said looked like a werewolf. And that's the
common theme, and most of these reports. Everybody calls them werewolves,
you know. But the creature hadn't seen them at that
point until Lindsey had made a noise. She gasped, and
she made a noise, and then the creature seen them,
and the preacher stepped out into the moonlight, and that's
when they got a really good look at it. And
they said the creature was about nine feet tall, it
had red eyes, it was black in color, and when
it noticed the girls, it stood stepped out from underneath
the from behind a tree, and the girls ran up
to the main house upstairs and told their parents. Rachel
told their parents what had happened. Yeah, you got to
remember that these girls are only eleven years old at
this time, and told the parents what happened. And the
father actually went out with a flashlight and looked out there.
But if I remember correctly, Rachel's parents' house bordered uh
preserve out on Long Island, so there was, like her,
right across the street from our house was a nature preserve.
So when the father went out and looked. He didn't
see anything. The creature was gone. And you know, and
you know I'm trying. I was trying to stick with
stuff from New York, you know. Oh sure, yeah, all
the reports. I just figured you wanted me to pull
stuff that was from New York. So that's what I
was pulling, you know. But like again, like I said,
I edited everything down. I didn't know how intricate you
want to get. We really didn't have a long discussion
on this, so I edited a lot of stuff out
because I had four of them that I wanted to
discuss tonight, you know. And so the next one I received,
This one goes back to twenty nineteen, and the well
called the witness Janet. It was. The time was one
o'clock in the morning. The location was Tioga County, New York.
Tioga County is western New York. It's north west of
New York, bordering Pennsylvania. And Janet was driving home from
a veterin area's office on around eighty nine, late one
evening with her girl, with her neighbor and her neighbor's dog.
They had just brought her neighbor's dog to a vet
and arian emergency vet. When Janet seen up along the
road in the middle of the road a figure. She
didn't know what it was. At first, she thought it
was a large dog. And then the creature stopped in
the middle of the road and Janet pulled up to
it and looked at it, and it looked at Janet,
and she described the creature of being about forty inches
at the shoulder. This particular creature never stood up on
two legs. It constantly stayed down on all fours. And
she said it was about forty inches at the shoulder,
and you could add like another ten inches for its
head above its shoulders. She said, from nose to tail,
it was about six foot long. And when I spoke
to Janet on this, I said, are you sure you
just didn't see a large wolf, you know, because that's
not that big from nose to the tip of the
tail six feet long, And she said, no, this thing
was not like any wolf she had ever seen before.
And they just locked eyes for she said it felt
like time had states had stopped and she was just
there for like she said, she felt like you they
were there for like an hour, but it was only
like three minutes. And she described the creature. Let's see,
she said, yeah, less than three minutes. And again this
creature was black in color, black with black eyes. She said,
this creature at black eyes. And yeah, the Route eighty
nine up in Cayuga County when you get upstate New York,
these truck routes don't have any lights on them, and
they're infamously pitch black. And even when you're driving with
your high beams on, it's still really hard to see
on these roads because they're so dark. Because up in
Cayuga uh Tioga Tayo, Tioga County, I can't even pronounce it.
It's an Indian name. You're talking about the Adirondeck Mountain Range,
and the ad ad Arondeck Mountain ranges six million acres,
so you know, there's the mountains are large up there
and vast. So you know, she just happened to be
at the wrong place at the wrong time and just
thing just stepped out into the middle of the road
right in front of our car.
Speaker 2: That sure, it's a bad place to break down too.
Speaker 4: Oh God, don't even say that. That was the least
last thing you want to do is break down on
those roads. Absolutely, yeah, and the last one I got again.
It's comes I received it in September seventeen of twenty eighteen.
And the whatness his name, we'll call him Bill. The
encounter actually happened on February second, twenty eighteen, around eight pm.
This location was Boone County, New York. Boom County again
is northwest that borders along the Pennsylvania's actually Boone County
is the county in front of Tyoga County. It's like
right next to Tyoga County. And again you have the
mountain range, the Adirondack Mountain Range running through this county.
And on this particular night, Bill heard some howey coming
from the from the woods. And he's a farmer and
he had cows and you know, some livestock, and the
livestock was scared, and he had heard he had heard
this howeing and he thought it was coyotes. And he
went and he got a neighbor, and we'll call him Jerry.
And Jerry and Bill loaded up their shotguns thinking they
were just going to drive out to the out to
the woods and take care of these noose coyotes. That's
what they thought they were going to deal with. When
they got into Bill's quad runner, and they headed up
the road and when they got up the road, they
seen the creature. Billy describes the creature as a werewolf again.
He said to him that looked like a were wolf,
and it stood about nine feet tall, large cane nine head.
He said. The head was really large with pointed ears
on the top of its heads. Its eyes were he said.
He described his eyes of this creature as being yellowish orange.
He said it looked yellowish orange. And he said he
was built like a bodybuilder who we really really long
arms and brought big hands and broad shoulders. It was
black and gray, this particular creature, and he had very large, sharp,
pointy teeth. At one point, the creature stepped out from
behind a tree and his from his neighbor Jerry, shot
it with the shotgun. He said when he shot it
with the shotgun that this creature actually jumped thirty feet
across the road and fifteen feet up in the tree. Now,
people don't people don't realize that these creatures can jump
far far distances. I believe that they can jump up
to sixty feet either straight up or straight straight across
if they want to. It's just a lot of reports
I've taken over the is where these creatures have jumped
massive amounts of distance. And what most people don't realize
it are that local wolves are regular. Local wolves can
jump about ten twelve feet straight up in a year.
So if creature like this to jump fifteen feet up
in a tree is easy. I mean, granted it was
wounded because Jerry had shot it with the shotgun, but
I don't think that people give these creatures enough credit.
Like when people see these creatures from a distance and
they say, oh, we were about you know, we were
about fifty feet away. They don't realize that if this
creature wanted you, it could probably jump fifty feet and
get you in a blink of an eye. It never
has to take off running. If it just explodes and
jumps at you, it just takes you down like that.
So they got in the quad Runner and they turned
around and they started to drive off.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 4: At that point the creature began to chase them, and
he described the creature's energy. He said the creature had
an evil energy about him. He was the only one
out of all of them that mentioned the creature's energy.
Billy really felt a negative energy from this particular creature
that they were dealing with up there in Boone County.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that point up again. There's so
many people I talk with where at first they basically
make it clear that they think they got away from
the dog man they encountered. But one of the things
I do was just to make sure they understand that
that's not the case. You were so greatly outclassed that
the fact he got away as a testament to the
fact that the dog man didn't want you. And bouncing
back to al to Rachel's account, Okay, my heart sank.
I mean, people have some things wrong about dog mean encounters.
Is all too easy to think, for example, that if
you have an encounter at home, that's gonna be the
best place to have an encounter. But in so many
ways that can be the worst place to have an encounter,
because if you're out in the woods, way out in
the woods, wherever it is, you don't live there, you
can avoid the place. You get out of there one piece. Okay,
I've never going back. Well, if you're at home and
have an encounter, obviously totally different matter. To highlight it,
there was a young man, this was years ago. This
was about ten years ago or so. I think there
was a young man who and by young men, I
mean I think he was probably twelve or thirteen ish.
He was in bed one night and he heard something
out on the street and got out of bed, walked
over to the window and he just parted the drapes
enough to be able to look out, and the street
was lit by street lights, but he still couldn't see
all that well. Well, as he's looking around, just felt
like he was sneaking a peek. Everyone else seemed to
be asleep, and he was just looking out there, trying
to see what he could to try and identify what
made this noise, and also just to take a look
at how things looked late at night. Well, all of
a sudden, he noticed motion across the street between two houses,
so he's focused on that area, and then out of
the shadows came this dog man. He didn't know what
dog mean to wear back then, But out of the shadows,
he said, came a werewolf. And the werewolf walked out
to the street, and as he's watching it, he's kind
of tightening up that hole that he's peeking through the
dreaps to try and look at this quote unquote werewolf. Well,
all of a sudden, the werewolf just snapped its head
up and locked eyes right on his position, like it
was staring right into his eye because he only had
one eye, I'm sure looking out the drapes there. Well,
after it did that, just a split second after it
did that, it made haste coming all the way across
the street in his direction and across his front yard
towards his house, and he just tightened the drapes back
together so he couldn't be seen. And just imagine the
horror of seeing that. You see a dog man coming
across the street, it looks up and seemingly looks right
at you, even though you're peeking through a hole in
the small hole in the drapes. Imagine the horror of that.
So now you've got to lay in your bed the
rest of the night and you're just lit listening for
any hint that this thing has broken into your house,
and it's probably heading up the stairs, heading your way.
It knows what room you're in. Just imagine the horror
of that. So that's why I say, having an encounter
at home, that's got to be one of the worst
places to have an encounter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and I agree with you. I mean,
your house is your home, is your safe space. So
when you have a bad experience at home with any
of these cryptids or just anything paranormal in general, it
really it really robs you of that that feeling of
being safe and snug in your own home, but the
windows closed and the doors locked and under your covers
and stuff like that. I mean, I know when I
spoke to Rachel, she was only eleven years old, and
she said she had nightmares for years, you know. And
the same thing with a Billy. Billy actually went on
to try to get professional help because it was so bad.
It was so bad with him, you know, it really
messed him up so bad seeing something like that. I mean,
and there's a lot more to Billy's story. I ended
it up, Like I said, I congensed a lot of
stuff for the show tonight and know how long we're
going to go. But so yeah, no, and this stuff
stays with you for your whole life, especially at a
young age. It stays with you for your whole life,
and whenever you talk about it, or read about it
or hear about it, you relive those experiences like they
happened yesterday.
Speaker 2: Oh sure you do. Yeah, it's really unfortunate too.
Speaker 4: Yes, good it is.
Speaker 2: Patrick. Are you still with us? I am good man.
Sorry to take so much time away from you when
you have so many interesting things to share as well.
Please do that now. I know you've got some case
files that you've prepped to share tonight also, so please
do that.
Speaker 3: We'll do. My team is actually starting out for the
special Response Teams for the NADP, so I kind of
get more intense encounters. There is such a thing. My
first case is actually in Tennessee. It's about an hour
and a half away from the l B L which
I'm sure everybody here has heard of. Her case is
really interesting to me because it actually kind of gets
away from the norms of dog men, whereas a lot
of people think, you know, dogmn are migratory animals, kind
of moving back and forth. She seems to have had
a pack set up on her property. I'll call her
Laura for for anonymity, but she's had the full gambit
of you know, waking up in the middle of the
night to dog man tapping on her cabin window, you know,
livestock disappearing, watching her actually some of the cooler photos
that I've gotten from her and involve her working in
the yard and you can see in the background there's
a dog man hiding. She's well, let me say that
her case is actually the exception, not the example. I've
actually spoken with you about her before, Vic. This is
the lady that was shooting at dog man so much
that they've gotten used to her. And I didn't even
think that would be possible, because most of the time
when a shooting occurs, that the encounter gets much much worse.
And in her case, I don't know if it's the
calibers or she's using because she's using very small calibers
that I don't know if it's just not phasing the
dog man, or if she has something else entirely going on.
But about Midsummer she started leaving water out for them
and has actually kind of gotten to where they almost
have like a homeostasis going on with the encounter. We
actually brought in a PhD in etheology, which is animal behavior.
I'm really interested in getting doctor Reid involved with this
case to get more understanding about maybe the motive behind
dog Man and the way they approach us. She's had
since then, she since the summer, she still gets watched
quite a bit, but they don't approach them at all,
whereas before she was literally terrified that one of them
was after her daughter. And she's had stuff where her
car got damaged from a dog man, just stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You know, Wow, poor thing. Life's difficult enough without having
problems like that to deal with.
Speaker 3: Right well, especially since she actually sold everything she owned
to move to this property in Tennessee with her family,
so there is no egress out of that.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I'd say not that's horrible. What's she going
to do?
Speaker 3: Actually, we're actually looking to set up a long term
surveillance type of investigation there. We've run into a few
hiccups with power there. Her property is more or less
homesteadish and runs on a generator. So we're gathering up
enough solar equipment to be able to run full time
surveillance twenty four to seven there and maybe find a
little bit more piece for there that if she decides
to stay, or if she can leave, or if she
needs to leave, then she'd I mean, what's more important
your belongings or your family?
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, no doubt about that, And unfortunately it
sounds like she's awfully or remote and nicely. That definitely
doesn't help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's, like I said, probably about an hour and
a half drive from the LBL up in the mountains.
She does have quite a bit of topography to her
land and quite a bit of running water, and it
does seem to be prime time habitat for dog man.
And even what makes it even worse than that is
she had a temporary site set up for her cabin
to be, but they were going to build a homestead
what looks to be where the den for the dogmen are.
So definitely a lot of rethinking going on in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say, so that's not good, right.
Speaker 3: My second case file is one that actually brought me
to the n a DP. Fair warning, this might be
a little gruesome for some people in the chat if
you're listening, kind of your discretion is advised. A friend
of mine's dad passed away under some very odd circumstances.
It's still an ongoing investigation, so I'm just gonna say
it's between Dallas and the Oklahoma border. But his case
is very similar to the Christopher Whiteley case, wherein he
left out of his house and he was an older gentleman.
But he walked the store every day, got himself a drink,
got himself pack of cigarettes, and then he went back
to the house and he did this every day. Last summer,
he went out one day and never came back. They
found his body about half a mile away seven days later,
in very very bad shape. Both of his femurs were snapped,
which there's no animals in that area that are capable
of snapping the human femur. He was very much so dismembered,
no signs of scavenging from anything, and he was found
about one hundred and fifty yards off the road, up
against a woodline. So that's really kind of what got
me into dogmens because I remember growing up watching Unsolved
Mystery and being that kid that wasn't really interested in
the true crime parts of it, but the cryptid stuff,
now that was cool. And that's, like I said, that
just kind of dawned me back to the Michigan dog Man,
And when I found out about that, I went digging
and found the NADP and joined up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a pretty gruesome keys. Some of these encounters,
they don't end well with the eyewitness going a way unscratched,
and the dog man had in its way. Sometimes it
does get ugly, but then again, we don't know for
sure what it was it did that. It's possible it
could have been something besides a dog man, maybe another cryptid,
but sure does point in the direction of it being
a dog man.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, Like I said, this kind of it reminds
me too much of the Christopher Whiteley case, where you know,
he went from his house to walk a quarter mile
to the road to get a ride work, and they
found him a half mile in the other direction, unlived
in a pretty gruesome manner and wedged up underneath scrub brush.
That was either his last attempt to try to get
away or he was stashed there, but nothing had eaten
on him. And the way he was killed, it's not
really indicative of natural wildlife in that area. I know.
A couple of years later they came back out and
said it was a mountain line that did it. But
the way he died is not the way a mountain
line takes out prey or people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say not. Yeah, that's really tragic and unfortunate.
What about the other case files you have ready to share.
Speaker 3: With this Those are the only two that I brought tonight.
Actually got another gentleman up in Oklahoma that I've actually
talked with you about, but I have not cleared it
with him as to whether or not I can talk
about his story here tonight. Obviously, in the NAVP, we
have a contract that we sign that if a witness
does want us to talk about it, then I definitely will.
But if they want their want to remain anonymous completely,
then I will absolutely respect that.
Speaker 2: Well that's good, that's really good. That's how it should be. Well,
I've got some questions for you too. Then, Well, if
you could do an investigation in the state you've never
researched in before, what state would that be then?
Speaker 4: Why? Oh, man, I would have to say Montana because
I like the Rocky Mountains and it's just all that wilderness.
Do you know, There's more there that meets the eye,
and I just love to be up in the mountains.
I was I think I should have been born a
mountain man, you know. But uh, yeah, now Montana that's
where I want to go. I would definitely go to Montana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful country. Understand why that was your choice?
And everyone listening in the live chat. Now's the time
for you to type your questions that you have for
Alan Patrick and all caps that way, I won't miss them. Patrick,
you've never had a dog me inciting. How much concern
do you have regarding what a siding of your own
might do to your interest in investigating them?
Speaker 3: Honestly, I've I've kind of taken the uh we'll cross
that bridge when we get there. But I am definitely
had an interesting past to where I do really well
under pressure, well, especially scary situations, you know, kind of
just tying back to my paranormal investigation. Uh, so I'm
not too concerned learned about it. I also don't look
forward to it at the same.
Speaker 2: Time, you know, understandably, So.
Speaker 3: I mean an encounter is definitely going to come with
the territory of what I'm doing, but I'll hold off
on it as long as possible.
Speaker 2: Now I can understand that, I can understand why. Let's
get to the first question now from the live chat.
It's from Andras Carrizales, and Andres wants to know I
guess this is directed towards you. Patrick. Did either keys
show any signs with something colliding with the person in question?
From the side or behind them.
Speaker 3: No. With the Christopher Whiteley case, his throat was torn out.
With the other case, it appears that's the same way
that he passed away. But we they actually had to
wait like four months for a bone report to come back.
He was that predated upon, But it looks like that
was the straw that did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why. That's a very delicate area.
I've got one here for you, Al from Jimmie hec
and Jimmie wants to know Al mentioned dog men jumping.
Have either Al or Pat seen them jump? And if so,
how far? Please?
Speaker 4: No, I've never seen them jump. But I know from
being out there and investigating and just working with regular
wolves and seeing how high a regular regular wolves can jump,
you would be amazed how high they get up there,
And so I would, and I just say something that
size ipeatedly. I'm with those kind of haunches. They're just
made for exploding and jumping, you know. I just you know,
like tigers can jump eighteen twenty feet straight up in
the air, So I you know, I don't think these
things would have any problem jumping at great distances. I
really don't. It's just one man's opinion. No, I've never
seen him jump. That's the short answer.
Speaker 2: Sorry, No, that's a good answer. If you haven't seen them,
then nothing more you can do to describe that. The
next question up is from baby Girl and she wants
to know what's the scariest dog meaning encounter you investigated.
I'm not sure if this is for you al or
for Patrick, but take your pick either one.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Pat.
Speaker 3: I would actually say for out come wise, I would
have to go with my case north of Dallas and
that being the possible fatality. As far as like far
reaching effects on the witness and the area of it,
I would have to go with an Oklahoma case. So
that was handed where the gentleman definitely does seem to
be suffering with some trauma from.
Speaker 2: That, and understandably so poor guy. That's horrible. Looks like
The next question is from the Truth and he wants
to know. Hello, Vic Patrick, do you think dogmen are
natural animals?
Speaker 3: Thanks? I do, honestly, as far back as they've been
documented in our history, I believe that they are very
much so connected with the Sonocephaly, and I think that
over time we've either forgotten about him or our history
is forgotten about him, and I think they're still very
much so here.
Speaker 2: That's a good hYP offices it is. We're going to
ask you this next question now, it's from Enrique, and
Enrique wants to know what do you guys think a
dog man is.
Speaker 4: I think a dogmin is an interdimensional creature. I think
it comes here to hunt. We have a lot of
prey here and I think they're they're a super predator.
As far as being in our realm, I've spoken to
a lot of Native American tribes in the in this
area and they all say that you know that these
creatures walk between worlds like the Sasquatches. And I've been
lucky enough to be invited to symposiums and get to
sit down what world renowned psychics will happen to be
sitting at my table, and I asked them. I asked
them all the same question, where where do you believe
these creatures come from? And every single one of them,
to a person, says they're interdimensional. So I think when
they're here in our realm, they're flesh and blood and
they can be killed. I know they can be killed,
they have been killed. But I also think, like the Sasquatch.
No one's ever found a body in the woods or
a skeleton or anything like that, and I think there's
a reason for that. And the Native Americans believe that
they walk between worlds.
Speaker 2: Well, if they can do that, they sure is one
heck of an advantage. It really is. Looks like Darth
reeven two point zero has the next question, Oh, send
this one your direction here, Patrick. He wants to know
do all cryptids fight each other in groups?
Speaker 3: Honestly, I would have to say no on that. We
do have reports of dogmen and bigfoot fighting, but I've
never heard of like brakes running together, or when to
go or anything of that that that sort, So I
would definitely have to go with no.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that now?
Speaker 4: I think when you have two from from premiere predators,
like a dog man in a big foot, I think
if they do crosspads, yes, there'll be a territorial sight.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: I've researched an account out of uh it was in
North Carolina where the dog men were driving the Cherokee
Native Americans out of the woods because they were hunting
in the dog man territory. So the Native Americans came
up with a plan to go to the Sasquatch's sacred
sites where their burial mounds, take a skull from the Sassquatch,
put it on a stick in the dog Man territory,
and when the Sasquatches found out that the skull was missing,
they started a big war with the dog men, and
the Native Americans thought this would be a good way
for one of these two to be driven away. Unfortunately,
it didn't work out for them because the fight ended up,
you know, coming down onto their location where they were
camped out, and they were the ones that ended up
having to get out of dodge because these two creatures
were going at it. As far as wind goes and
rakes and stuff like that, I don't think they fight
each other, No, But as far as the premiere predators
like the dogmen in the Bigfoot, yeah I think they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think I've ever heard a story about
numbers of dog Men fighting numbers of Sasquatch, but I
have heard that story that you just mentioned, so well,
I guess maybe that is proof that sometimes that does happen,
if that story is true, because we're ever gonna know,
but yeah, if it is, that's all the proof we need.
Then this next question is from Alex Ventura. He wants
to know where's the video evidence. There's never any This
is why skeptics always win. Well, huh, Al's laughing and
I'm laughing too, because he knows. Al knows, I know,
Patrick knows there is video evidence, video evidence. I would
blow your socks off. But just because you haven't seen
that evidence, that doesn't mean it's not out there. So yeah,
that's my take on that. I shouldn't have answered that question.
My two cents out there, but it's all right. I
couldn't help us, but let's throw this out. I think
Al's chomping at he wants to No, I.
Speaker 4: Agree with you. I tell people this all the time,
VIC people I meet, it's imposium and I say, where's
the photographic evidence? Where's the video evidence? And I say,
just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
It's out there. Believe me, it's out there. People have
these creatures on their property. People filmed them all the time,
but they don't release that evidence to anybody because you know,
it was bad enough back in the day with photoshopping.
Now a AI, no one's ever going to believe any
video is real anyway, So I put it out there
and be ridiculed by people for no reason. But it's
out there, Alex, It's definitely out there. Believe me. I've
seen it. I know Vick has seen it, and it's
out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely is what your syn on that their, Patrick.
Speaker 3: Actually, I have seen photographic evidence of dog Man from
the NDP that absolutely crystal clear. This is dog Man.
He's right here. And you show it to a skeptic
and they'll turn around and tell you, oh, that's a
scene from Dog Soldiers. And you take them and show
them the wolves from Dog Soldiers and they don't look
anything alike. But it still got to be that. I
think sometimes skeptics just want to be skeptics. And I
also think that a lot of people, when they're having encounters,
the last thing on their mind is I should pull
out my camera and take a picture of this thing
that's scaring me half to death.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Those really good points.
Speaker 4: Yeah, excellent flight, Patrick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. This next question is from a Lean Mirror
Douglas and Delane wants to know do you think the
reported popping sounds could be some physical calibration from being
on four feet to two. Their arms are described as long,
and I'm wondering if it might semi received to be
on all.
Speaker 4: Fours sure an answer yes.
Speaker 3: I would actually have to agree with that answer wholeheartedly.
Speaker 2: Well, that was easy. This next question fromdeed Truth it
kind of touches on what you just answered two questions ago.
He wants to know what do you feel is the
best piece of dog mean evidence that you saw.
Speaker 3: I'll take it that. Honestly, the best evidence I've ever
seen was taken from a trial camera from an investigation
that the NADP has done. I believe it was done
in Ohio, but don't quote me on that. But you
can actually see, like the back of the shoulder on
the dog man is wounded, and it is about as
crystal clear as you can ever get from a trail camera.
And to me, that did it right there? You know
that that was the proof that I needed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like you highlighted, there's some really incredible evidence
out there, as clear as if you since your dog
out the back door, it stops about ten feet away,
turns around to look at you, and you've got a
camera up just filming it. But like you said, I mean,
just because the evidence is out there and you haven't
seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I can't say
that enough. I hear that all the time, and it's
a really weak idea that just because you haven't seen
it it's not out there. It just doesn't make any sense.
Let's find a question for al here. Let's find a
good one here. This one's from Bang Bang. She wants
to know, now, did you ever go back into the
same woods you were headed to before you got stopped
by the men in black?
Speaker 4: Yes? I have been back in those woods years later,
but yes I have been back in those woods. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: I was wonder if you're going to answer that question.
Speaker 4: Well, it's been years so and I'm retired now, so.
Speaker 2: I get it. I do. Patrick. Baby girl wants to
know what's the tallest dog man you heard about?
Speaker 3: I've heard of ten plus foot now, I've heard encounters
on this channel actually that go upwards of twelve, but
personally hearing from an eyewitness themselves in person, ten plus foot.
Speaker 2: Well that's tall enough right there. That's right, boy, it
really is. Let's find the question for now.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Andre's here as Alas wants to know, did any cases,
have the witnesses see the dog man with the invisible chemo?
Speaker 3: No, No, I haven't heard any of them. Now.
Speaker 2: I've heard our witnesses report that, but it really is
few and far between when it happens.
Speaker 4: Very really, and every dog man I've ever seen didn't
have any kind of invisible camo on them either. So
you know, just from my perspective as an eyewitness.
Speaker 2: Now well, that answers that one Patrick A Scent of
Phoenix wants to know. How do you think dogmen evaded,
being sided and captured are the normal flesh and blood
creatures or supernatural?
Speaker 3: I definitely believe there are normal flesh and blood creatures
too while they're here. My opinion difference difference a little
bit to ols. Like I said, I think they are
from here. They've been here all along, and we've just
forgotten about them over time. As far as evading or
being cited, honestly, I think they're Their motivation to be
around us is more curious than anything. And most of
the time when one of the tricks that we implore
is to have a camera facing behind you, and most
of the time that's where you're going to find your
document is behind you. Just checking you out.
Speaker 2: You have the thought of having one of these things
creeping up behind you. That doesn't give you the warm
and fuzzies. But like you said, that's how they normally do.
That's their mo. Now, I've got a question for you
from D Truth and D wants to know there's been
a lot of Werewolf movies and TV series with Rakes.
Do you think it's a soft disclosure or just coincidence?
Speaker 4: No, I think it's soft disclosure, absolutely. Yeah, you know,
I don't think. I don't believe in coincidence. The truth.
I don't think there are any coincidences. I've been in
this game too long to believe in coincidences.
Speaker 2: Good Man, I can understand why you might think that.
I can see good arguments both ways. Yeah, absolutely both ways.
But yeah, I think you're probably right there. Now, how
about one from Bad Pup for you Patrick. He wants
to know how many different types of dog mean and
squatch are there things. I know of many different types each.
Speaker 3: As far as I've recognized, there's three different types for
dog Man. Of course, you got your just normal standing
upright canid, You've got your hyena type, and then you've
got your type three the giant van helsing style werewolf.
As far as Squatch, I am actually got that first
in Fasquatch. I think it's gotten a lot of attention,
and it didn't really feel drawn to that.
Speaker 2: That's a good, honest answer, that's always appreciated. Let's try
one more question and direct this one. Now. It looks
like Scott Langhorst wants to know can wear wolves and
dog meen breed with each other?
Speaker 4: I don't believe. So no, I don't believe that were
wolves actually exist. I don't believe that people actually turn
I mean, you know, if you want to consider a
skin walker or a wind to go a were wolf,
you know that can shape shift. But that's more supernatural
than a human turning into well upright canine creature. Now
I don't believe.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that does seem like one heck with Stretch.
I'll never say anything's impossible in this crazy world, but
it really does seem like one heck was Stretch that
that could be possible. It really does, so I agree
with you there. All right, Let's try one more question here.
This one's for Pat. It looks like Lene Rameiro Douglas
wants to know what about dog men and their behaviors
unsettles all of you the most. What do you find
to be the most frightening about them?
Speaker 3: Honestly, as a hunter myself, I would say that their
ability to sneak up on you from behind like a
game warden does. That's definitely unsettling. Like I said, most
of the pictures we get are from them walking or
them coming up from behind you, and you never hear
them coming, and that's just like a game warden.
Speaker 2: How about you, al, what do you have to say
about that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd have to I'd have to say the same
thing that Patrick Patrick said, because just list October I
was out with my cousin and we had a dog
man go off in the woods. It set off a
pack of coyotes. But we weren't there for the dog man.
We were there for the sasquatches. And when we came
down off of the high plateau, that same dog man,
I believe, came over to where we were and he
was standing no further than a hundred feet behind us,
up on a small hill, and we didn't hear him
come across, and he screamed so loud that it went
through my cousin, who was standing behind me and through me.
And it was crazy because my cousin's father told me
before I left the house, bring him home in one piece.
When this thing went off, and I felt it was
directed at me personally that I was back in the
woods and he wasn't happy about it. But I wasn't
on the dog Man's side of the woods. I was
on the Sasquatch one of the woods. But I remember
turning to my cousin right then and there and I
was like, Okay, we have a four mile hike out.
We're not gonna stop for water or breaks. We're gonna
We're gonna take this sixty pound packs and walk out
of these woods NonStop. Because I didn't want the dog
Man to flank us and get in front of us,
because there was only one way out and I didn't
want to have to, you know, try to fight my
way out of there that night, you know. And it
was it was crazy night, and the screams were so loud,
and it was the last thing I expected to run
into was the dog Man. And I think because the
dog Man was out that night and prowling about that
nothing else was.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That was that was It was very you know, and
you know, my cousin is very sensitive, like psychic sensitive,
and he's very it's got very good control over his emotions.
And the kid. He never shook the kid at all.
It's only a twenty year old kid, you know, and
it never shook him at all. Like he didn't give
it a second thought because I'm so confident in my
ability to get us in and out, you know that
he just said, Okay, I'm with cousin Al, We'll be fine.
But I you know, when it went off the first
time and I sent you guys audio tonight, victim you
could listen to it, I felt that was directed at
me as well, even though we were miles away up
on a high rit on a high plateau. And then
when it came over and it was only one hundred
feet behind us, I mean, if that thing wanted us,
it probably could have jumped off that little hill onto
my cousin, you know, and then onto me, and it
could have had his bolt and it could have flanked
us at any time it wanted to. But I think
it followed us out. Honestly, we both felt its energy
behind us. And again, you know, they give off a
negative vibe, you know, and I think they do that
because they feed off our fear. But we weren't afraid.
We just we took our time and we hiked out.
And I'm an old dude, you know, and I'm carrying
a sixty pounds pack four miles NonStop. I've never done
that before, but that night, I was going to push
you to the limit because I wanted to get him
out of there on one piece. So, yeah, the way
they creep up on you, I mean for creature that
big and that heavy. And I always think people underestimate
their weight as well. You know, they say, oh, it's
about seven feet twelve three, four hundred pounds. I think
there are a lot heavier than people think they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes two of us. I think people will
underestimate their weight all the time. I really do. Yeah, well,
it's about time for us to get after your gentlemen
before we do. Now, what would be the best way
for dogming witnesses who have had dogman encounters in New
York State to report their encounters to you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: They could. They could report it on the New York's
the NADPH New York State Chapter website, or they could
hit me up directly on the Facebook, on Messenger, you know,
if they if they want to just talk to me personally,
because being the regional Tree director, I have to deal
with you know, states all the way from Maine all
the way down to Maryland, you know, so there's a
lot of states involved. So yeah, I mean, you know,
they could just they could they could post it on
the an ADP page, or they could just reach out
to me directly.
Speaker 2: Well, that makes it really easy, It really does. And
poor Al it doesn't look like the coffee is wearing off.
It looks like it's worn off.
Speaker 4: Can you hear it in my voice?
Speaker 2: No, I can see it. I can see. You've been
it for a long time. I know. So you got
me feeling sorry for you.
Speaker 4: Oh no, Vick, I'm fine, believe me. I'm so signed. Absolutely, yeah,
I'm good. Good, let's go another hour.
Speaker 2: Okay, No, I can't do that to you. That'd be horrible.
Although I do enjoy a company, of course. You're welcome. Patrick.
How about you? How about Texas eye witnesses. What's the
best way for them to contact you about their encounters?
Speaker 3: The best way to contact me directly is on Facebook
through our Texas state chapters of the North American dog
Man Projects page, or you can hit me up on
Facebook and I know you can't see me here, you
can search me. I'm wearing a white polo bald heads sunglasses.
Can't miss me from Longview, Texas. That or you can
contact me straight through the North American North American Document
Projects webite. All so kind of a shameless plug here.
The pictures I was telling you all about those are
on that website and the evidence files.
Speaker 2: We have MP.
Speaker 3: Three's, we have some short videos, we have pictures, and
actually another shameless plug for the NADP is where we're
now eleven thousand members worldwide. Definitely a lot of different
points of view on the problem, and that's that's a
good thing in my opinion, because that lets us really
get a three hundred and sixty degree view on how
to solve this problem.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of minds are almost always better
than one, so that's a good point. Well, gentlemen, I
can't thank you enough for coming on the show and
sharing these keys files and answering all these questions. I
really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Vic, Yeah, thank you for having us.
Speaker 4: And if I could, if I could just say Vic,
the NADP is a better place Patrick has come aboard.
He's really top notch uh uh.
Speaker 3: Rap, thank you.
Speaker 2: Gonna make me blush though, Well that means a lot
coming from you, Al, It really does.
Speaker 4: I don't know what how much it means, but but
I'm sincere what I say. He's definitely, uh you know,
a big piece to the puzzle. He's a hell of
a hell of investigator and a researcher, and we're better off.
We're a better off organization having him with us.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, I've learned a lot from Al over
my time with the group. Uh, Kenny Shane, you know,
Todd uh, Brian Bowden. I mean you get you get
to you get to really talk with the legends in
the field, and they really bring you up to their
level pretty quick. So I definitely got to say thank
you to y'all guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a wealth of knowledg He's being humble,
but no matter what Al says here to be humble,
it does mean a lot when he says something like that.
It really does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't say it if it didn't mean it.
Believe me. It's the kind of guy I am.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, you see what you mean. That's a
good quality. Well, gentlemen, Like I said, thanks again so
much for your time. Remember, if I can never help
you two out, so I have to do is just
let me know because I'll be more than happy to
be there for you.
Speaker 3: The same for you Vic.
Speaker 2: Well, that's appreciated.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Vic, Thank you for having us. It was
my pleasure to be here. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. Thanks again so much, guys, and have a
great night.
Speaker 4: Good night, good night, everybody, good night, everybody.
Speaker 2: All right, that's a wrap. That's for wrap for another show.
But before I get out of here, just to put
it out there, if you've had a dog mean encounter
that you need help with, or maybe you'd like to
be a guest on this show, if you go to
Dogmancounters dot com mid a report, I'll be more than
happy to reach out to you and schedule a consultation
with you on the phone so I can find out
what's either wrong and what's giving you trouble, or find
out more about your encounter and schedule a show.
Speaker 3: Recording with you.
Speaker 2: But having said that, thanks again so much everyone for listening.
I really do appreciate it. Then, have a great night,