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Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist

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Radio Hour. I'm Att Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at The

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Our guest today is US Representative Mark Harris, a Republican

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representing North Carolina's eighth Congressional district and a member of

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the Subcommittee on the Constitution and Limited Government. The committ

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held a hearing this week on legislative reforms to end

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lawfare by state and local prosecutors, and it was quite

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a hearing. Sir, thank you so much for joining us

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on the Federalist Radio app.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Matt. It's a pleasure to be

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with you.

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Speaker 1: It is a pleasure to have you with us. Give

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us a little overview because I know there were some

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sparks on this, but this I can't think of too

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many more important things than dealing with the weaponization of

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our justice system in America. As we've seen over and

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over again the last four years.

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Speaker 2: Well, there were some sparks, as you can imagine, during

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the hearing. We actually had the hearing earlier in the

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week and then the next day came back for a

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markup of bills in the process, and so it was

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a great conversation I felt like during the midst of

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the hearing, just to be able to distinguish these issue

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us that we're facing with the lawfare that has taken place.

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I think the American public has seen it. I think

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they recognized it. I think when they elected a majority

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of us in the US House and we flipped the

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Senate and we put Donald Trump back in the White House.

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I do think a very important part of that was

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because the American people have been rejecting really this whole

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idea of the weaponization that we have seen of the

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Department of Justice under the Biden administration, and really this

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whole attitude that has to come to a halt. And

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I think that Pambondi and her selection as Attorney General

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is going to really and truly begin to make a

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difference there. And so the conversation, as we've seen in

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many of these hearings, seems to be really just wanting

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to ignore what has taken place during the Biden administration.

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My friends on the other side tend to just want

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to attack Donald Trump. They want to attack Elon Musk,

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even in these hearings concerning this whole issue of lawfare.

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So it was something to see.

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Speaker 1: For sure, no doubt about it. In this is not

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a winning strategy for the Democrats. We have seen over

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and over again. I mean, we can talk about this further,

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the politics of it, which is one thing, you know,

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not learning the lessons of course of November in this country,

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of the November election. But your chairman, Chip Roy was

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a former assistant US attorney of course, opened his opening statements,

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he said, every American deserves to have a justice system

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that has divorced from the political whims of elected office holders,

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political parties, and personal vendettas. That is exactly what we

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have seen in the past last four years in the

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Biden administration in this country. You laid it all out

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in this hearing.

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Speaker 2: No question and many of the things that we talked about,

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even one of the questions that I asked of the witness,

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mister Epstein. Epstein, really was to talk about statements that

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he had made about protocols that were not followed on

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the Raid of mar Lago and all of the things

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that took place, and he highlighted very clearly things that

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were done that were improper. And it just led to

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again throwing the spotlight on the fact that you didn't

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have to follow a protocol, you didn't have to follow

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rule of law. It was a matter that the Justice

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Department did whatever they wanted to do, however they wanted

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to do it to try to build a case. And

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then of course we had the problem beyond that of

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what's going on in these attorney generals, which really does

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set a very dangerous president. And I would think, and

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we tried to express this in the hearing, you're setting

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a precedent if we don't do something to remove this

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lawfare of what's going to stop a strong Republican attorney

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general from going after an individual who's a Democrat simply

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because of their political persuasion. And so this is something

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that really has got to rise above having an R

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or a D by your name, because there's a desperate

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need in this country without law and order, without an important,

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you know, nonpartisan Department of Justice. American people can't have

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confidence in our whole judicial system, and I think that

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is critical in our day. We've got to restore confidence

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and trust in the American people in all of our

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branches of government. And I think that's that's part of

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what we were seeking to address in this.

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Speaker 1: You would think that the Democrats would be all on

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board for this, because remember they have spent they spent

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an entire election, of course, as they tried to lock

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up the Republican's candidate for president. They have tried to

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do everything they could to stop him. But they should

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want an equal balance of justice, the end of weaponization

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of justice, because do they not believe that this could

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happen to them? What did they say when asked that

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very important question.

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Speaker 2: Well, they really don't have an answer as far as

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the problem, Matt. They don't have an answer. Their answer

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is to simply go back and attack Donald Trump. And

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in some cases they tried to replead their case, if

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you will, showing videos of one of the cases there

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in New York. I think when Donald Trump was convicted

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by that jury of their one of those cases in

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New York, and they wanted to replay that. So they

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just kind of want to replay history. They want to

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rewrite history. That the problem boils down to this. Their

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policies stink, and the American public does not respond to

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their policies. American public does not vote for them. And

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if you can't win at the ballot box, your only

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alternative is to go to the courts and try to

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shop the judge that's going to rule in your favor.

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And that seems to be the game they play. We've

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seen it in elections, we've seen it in civil cases.

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We've seen it now in criminal cases, where they are

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just taking the law way out of bounds in order

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to go after their political opponents. And that's a real

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problem because they can't win at the ballot box.

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Speaker 1: Well, Representative Paris, I would say strongly suggest that they've

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been successful doing that, and they're still successful at doing it.

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Look at the policies again, the Trump administration has put

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together an ambitious list and agenda that the American people

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voted for in November, and now you see at every

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turn it's the appeal to the court of their convenience

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basically to try to push out these policies. Now, what

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you really examine, I think is so important. Along with

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the lawfare against the president who was candidate Trump when

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all of this stuff was going on. A lot of

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the stuff was going on. This is happening at the

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state and local levels. Just wrote a piece for the

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Federalists this week about the phony, fake elector's case. That's

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a huge issue that remains unresolved. Did that come up

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in the hearing? How these Republican alternate electors who had

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every right to do what they did in twenty twenty

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to preserve the position of President Trump should he prevail

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in lawsuits, they have been the subject of a targeted

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witch hunt by these leftist prosecutors in Wisconsin, in Arizona

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and elsewhere. Did that come up during the hearing.

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Speaker 2: I don't recall that specifically. It may have, I'll be

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honest with you. The hearing, there's a strategy that's been

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employed by the Democrats on our committee at this point,

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and the strategy is to offer amendment after amendment after

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amendment after amendment and draw out this process really of

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things that are not even necessarily relevant to the matters

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at hand, knowing that they don't have the votes to win,

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but to drag out and this particular hearing ran a

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little over six hours. The other day there was a

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hearing that ran about seven and a half to eight

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hours by this process that they're using. So don't recall

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specifically you mentioned what you're mentioning coming up. It could have,

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but I just honestly can't recall it this moment that

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it did you.

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Speaker 1: As you said, it was a lengthy hearing, A lengthy

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hearing made that much longer by the gimmicks and the

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tricks of the Democrats on this committee. It goes back

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to this thing does not happen in a vacuum. There's

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a lot of money that's involved in these campaigns that

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continue to thwart the basic premises that we have under

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the Constitution about justice. And it's happening all over the country,

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is it not.

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Speaker 2: It is happening all over the country. And we see

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it when you have these unelected individuals in some cases

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that are pushing their agendas, and of course someday some

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cases it's elected individuals. I think we saw that happening

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with District Attorney Bragg in New York. We saw that

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happening with the Attorney General in New York. People that

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have gone into too as part of a campaign process

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that we're going to go after this individual. That is

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no way for our government to operate. That is no

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way for our system of justice to be able to

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operate if we're going to preserve this republic. And I

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think again, as we mentioned, the American people see it,

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they see through it. I think probably the greatest jury

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decision that's ever been made was the decision and the

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largest jury ever were the American people that spoke on

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November fifth of twenty twenty four when they looked and

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recognized what President Trump had been put through, and they said, look,

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we recognize the bogus actions of these prosecutors and all

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the things they have tried to do, and you know,

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we're trying to take simple steps. Primarily, one of the

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things that we were trying to talk about in that

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was getting when somebody doing their job, such as mart

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Meadows for instance, who was working for the president, and

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you have state prosecutors that decide to make this a

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political point that they're going to run on, then somehow

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we need to be able for these folks to get

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their case to federal court in hopes of getting some

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kind of justice. Because when you have things going on,

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we've seen it in Georgia. We've seen it in Arizona.

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All these kind of things that are happening. We want

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to be able to move beyond that. We want to

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be able to get it in a system where we

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at least have hopes that we can have appeals, they

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can make it up to the Supreme Court.

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this is a tough ask because it's early on in

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the process, and I know you're working toward this on

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your committee. I know Attorney General Pam Bondi is working

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through this at the Department of Justice. Do you believe

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there will be true accountability? I think of the long

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list of names who the American people who really do

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value justice blind justice in America. They see players like

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even your own colleagues on the left side of the aisle.

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Adam Schiff, who blatantly lied you know, has been censured

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because of his his activities, his conduct. You see the

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prosecutions in the DC Office. You see what happened in

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Manhattan with the you know, the Banana Republic show trial.

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Will any of these folks ever be held accountable? Do

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you believe?

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Speaker 2: I hope they will be. Matt, I'll be honest with you.

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I think that there is such a volume of material

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here of things that this administration is seeking to work through.

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I have all the confidence in the world and Attorney

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General BONDI. I think the American public in many ways,

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when they watched her handle her confirmation hearings, they saw

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somebody that was in complete control of what she was doing,

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and she responded so well. And I think the American

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people have confidence in her. And I do think that

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she's going to do all she can to clean up

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the Justice Department, and I believe hold accountable as they

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do uncover things. I know. One of the things that

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we talked about in the early weeks of me joining

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the Judiciary Committee, this is my first term in Congress

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that I'm honored to be on the Judiciary Committee with

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Chairman Jordan. One of the things that we talked about

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early on when we were discussing what would happen this

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year was bringing in the once the administration was in place,

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bringing in some of the folks that had taken these seats,

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and allow them to testify to us, and allow us

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to ask questions about what they had found inside their department. Again,

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to shine the light on it, and again, I believe,

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to move public opinion, to expose the realities because these folks, listen,

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they must be prosecuted to the full extent of the

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law if they have broken the law. And again, many

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people have been the victims of this kind of lawfare.

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And I think you do have a justice Department at

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the present that wants to get to the bottom of it.

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perhaps to what ever happening. Again, if we did have

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some prosecutions.

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Speaker 1: That moved forward, well, this subcommittee can definitely help. You're

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already doing the heavy lifting, taking the testimony, getting the records.

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But I tell you you could not have joined a

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more important committee as the Judiciary Committee. You know, I

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don't think most Americans fully understand how important the work

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of what you know, the chairman Jim Jordan has done,

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of course, comer in oversight, and I think of representative style,

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your colleague as well from Wisconsin regarding House administration, those

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three committees have done just tremendous work in shining a

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light getting the word out about just how dangerous this

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operation has been in terms of the weaponization of justice.

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What what would you like to see ultimately your subcommittee

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accomplished because you're dealing with, you know, the really the

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roots of this matter.

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Speaker 2: I think our subcommittee has an opportunity to look at

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a myriad of things that are happening. I mean, we've

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we've got needs in our judicial system that I think

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our committee is going to have the opportunity to deal with.

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We have we have rogue judges that I think are

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going to need to be called into account. And I

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know that's some of the conversation that's going on right

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now appear in Congress, But I really think that really

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getting our Justice Department back to what I touched on earlier,

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where there is a strong increase in confidence in the

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American people that there are competent people, and there are

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people that are going to believe justice is blind, that

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are not looking for a person's politics to determine whether

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or not we're going to move forward with prosecution or

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whether we're just going to turn a blind eye to it.

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And act like it didn't happen. I think the biggest

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thing that our committee can do is to restore the

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confidence in the American people that there is a new

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sheriff in town, there is a new administration that is

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seeking to get things back in order. And I think

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this President is doing that. I mean, he is across

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the board, not only just through what we're doing in

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the Judiciary Committee, but he's moving forward and his promises made,

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promises kept. And I think this is an important piece

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of the overall picture of restoring confidence in leaders. You know,

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one of the questions I've been asked over the last

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day or two is what were you feeling when you

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were in that room Tuesday night and the President was

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delivering that joint address. And I said, one of the

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things that was going through is how grateful I am

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that we truly have a president, a leader, a visionary

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back in the White House that can cast a vision

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and then can challenge us. And we in Congress have

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got to come alongside and keep moving that agenda forward.

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Speaker 1: Well, indeed, the adults in the room have finally arrived.

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You're dealing with children. I mean, what we saw Tuesday

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night from the Minority Party in this country was just

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nothing more than toddler tantrums at times. That seems to

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be all they have to offer. So I asked this

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question of the work that you're doing on this subcommittee,

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the work the you know, the Judiciary Committee is doing

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what you were trying to do accomplish in Congress in

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dealing with the weaponization of justice? Can you sustain the

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onslaught from the accomplice media that is propaganda pressed that

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is working alongside of course always has in concert with

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this temper tantrum left.

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Speaker 2: I think we can. I think we can overcome that.

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There are so many media outlets now such as your

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podcast here in other ways that are getting the word out,

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getting the truth out, that is making common sense. And

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I think the more that we are getting the word out,

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I think we are going to be able to overcome

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the onslaught. There's no question that the media has been

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in the pockets of the left, and they've been using

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them and using them quite well. And to your point,

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they've also learned how to use this system and have

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found a level of success of as they say, sue

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till it's blue, and they don't continue, no doubt, to

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use the courts. But again, we've got to continue to

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put the right people on the courts who have the

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right understanding, and that's of all of our courts, from

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our local, state, federal. We've got to have people in

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those places of responsibility that are going to truly follow

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the Constitution, are going to understand the importance of just

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how fragile this republic is, and so much of it

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does ride on the confidence and the trust being restored

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in people for what we're doing. So the more that

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we can find those alternative sources of media to get

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that word out, the better off we're going to be.

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Speaker 3: Should we officially shut down the Postal Service? The Watchdout

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on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris

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helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy and

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how it affects your wallet. The Postal Service had a

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not believe in the United States, and it still couldn't

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make money after the email revolution. They didn't change a thing.

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Should it be bought out by a big tech firm

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like Amazon, Whether it's happening in DC or down on

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Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 2: Be informed.

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Speaker 3: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris

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Markowski on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: You've been very generous of your time. I know you've

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got a standing appointment here, so I'll just ask this

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final question. I'd be remiss if I didn't ask a

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representative Congress who's representing the great state of North Carolina.

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How are you folks doing? Because you know you were

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in the headlines. The state was in the headlines every

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day during the horrible hurricane and storms and the damage

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that was done. How are you doing? And have you

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seen a shift in assistance from the Biden administration FEMA

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efforts to the Trump administration FEMA efforts.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question. I appreciate you asking it,

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and we certainly continue to covet the prayers of folks

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for the people in western North Carolina. They're still recovering.

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In fact, a team from my church is actually restoring

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a house even this week up in Boone, North Carolina.

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And there's so many groups that are working North Carolina.

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Baptist on Mission Samaritan's Purse, and that's one of the

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things that I saw mat I had the privilege of

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flying with the President on Air Force One down to

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Asheville his first trip after his inauguration when he went

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to Ashville on his way to California to the wildfires.

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And what I saw that day really was a shift

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that began that again is restoring confidence in people. He

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told it like it was. He exposed the shortfalls of

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FEMA and what they had done, and he basically looked

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at us and said, you know, each state has got

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to be the ones to lead in their own recovery.

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And because the bottom line is FEMA is not getting

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it done from Washington, d C. And the people in

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the states know the individuals there, they know the resources there,

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and he said, we're going to get the support, We're

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going to get the money to you, but the folks

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within the state need to be the ones taking the lead.

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And for lack of a better word, they FEMA needed

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to get out of the way. If they weren't going

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to help, they were actually hurting the process. So, yes,

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we have seen some things that have stepped in. This

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administration has been highly sensitive to what's going on there.

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We are seeing recovery of folks getting back in their

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homes and we're very grateful for that, but there's this

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is going to not be a matter of weeks and months.

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This is going to be years to really rebuild towns

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and help rebuild the lives of these people who lost everything.

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Speaker 1: Well, God bless you all. I know that, I know

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that is the case. We've seen it so many times before.

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You know, the media comes in as all kinds of

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stories and the spotlights for the first week they go away.

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Your problems are still there. You're still doing the heavy

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lifting that it takes to rebuild these communities, and God

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bless you in those efforts.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for asking about that, and thank you

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for your continued encouragement and supporting that.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I want to thank my guest today, Representative Mark Harris, Republican,

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representing North Carolina's eighth congressional district. He's a member of

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the Subcommittee the House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on the Constitution

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and Limited Government. They are doing very important work. The

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committee held a hearing this week a couple as a

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matter of fact, on legislative reforms to end lawfare and

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state and local prosecutors. Like I said, extremely important work.

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You've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.

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I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll

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be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of

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freedom and anxious the Friend.

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Speaker 2: I heard the fame, voice the Reason, and then it

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faded away.