Speaker 1: Jonathan and I were back here with a fire going,
Speaker 1: and there was multiple sasquatch around us, and they were
Speaker 1: doing you know that thing. I call it sasquatch creeping
Speaker 1: when they're you're talking, conversating, playing music, whatever, and they'll
Speaker 1: creep in. But the minute you're quiet and stop, they stopped.
Speaker 1: We could not see them, and they kept making sounds,
Speaker 1: kept knocking, and stuff kept getting closer. After a half
Speaker 1: hour went by, I was done. I decided I want
Speaker 1: to go in. So we start to walk back this
Speaker 1: is our backyard and I hit a wall like I
Speaker 1: just stopped. I wasn't scared, it wasn't fear. I just
Speaker 1: like hit a wall and just like goosebumps covered my body.
Speaker 1: It just stopped me for a minute. We could feel
Speaker 1: this run off, We could feel it wrong. It was
Speaker 1: six feet away from me at this tree, and it
Speaker 1: just takes off so fast and so strong that you
Speaker 1: could feel its feet hit the ground. It was absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2: Sarah, thanks for joining me on Bigfoot Crossroads, a platform
Speaker 2: that you're kind of familiar with, right, I am.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. It's been a really long time,
Speaker 1: probably over a decade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. I was thinking about that well ago
Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, like how long we've known
Speaker 2: one another. It's all kind of crazy that it's coming
Speaker 2: full circle at this point in life. Sarah is the
Speaker 2: other half of the Brown property in Washington. But there's
Speaker 2: much more more to you than that. You actually created
Speaker 2: the first logo for Bigfoot Crossroads years and years ago,
Speaker 2: whenever I first kicked it off with your husband Jonathan
Speaker 2: as my co host, and here we are, like you said,
Speaker 2: over a decade.
Speaker 1: Later, over a decade later.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I've ever asked you this
Speaker 2: question personally. I probably did, like, you know, fifteen years ago,
Speaker 2: but how did it start for you? Like you personally,
Speaker 2: I know the story of your property and everything, and
Speaker 2: obviously the thermal video, but like, how did all this
Speaker 2: bigfoot stuff start for you?
Speaker 1: It started on my first date with John. He brought
Speaker 1: it up on our very first date, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was funny and I was like, oh, this guy's serious,
Speaker 1: you know. And then it didn't take me long to
Speaker 1: figure Okay, maybe there's something to this because he's serious
Speaker 1: and mean, like all these family stories and presenting like
Speaker 1: some good evidence to me, you know. So not long
Speaker 1: went by when John and his brother went to Lower
Speaker 1: Lewis Falls and they heard a sasquatch, and then shortly
Speaker 1: after that is when we started hearing them here. They've
Speaker 1: probably always been here, according to the neighbors, they've been here,
Speaker 1: but we became aware of them back in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, it's been it's been a ride ever since.
Speaker 1: It took me quite a long time to be fully
Speaker 1: convinced that they were real. It actually took that daylight
Speaker 1: photo of the top of the head that I got
Speaker 1: for me to be fully convinced, because it was really
Speaker 1: hard for me to undo, you know, years and years
Speaker 1: and years of thinking it was a joke.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, once you sit back and you look at
Speaker 1: all of the evidence and everything, it's quite overwhelming, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's completely overwhelming. I mean this stuff, I know, to
Speaker 2: like someone on the outside looking in, it doesn't seem
Speaker 2: like that substantial of an argument, just based solely on
Speaker 2: the fact that, well, it's never been proven. You know,
Speaker 2: where's all the clear videos, where's the bodies, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. But if you're involved in this and really
Speaker 2: like tapped into the Bigfoot community and the Bigfoot Research community.
Speaker 2: Information piles in all the time, and you guys have
Speaker 2: been kind of changed over from the research site. It
Speaker 2: seems like you guys are more interested in collecting the
Speaker 2: stories yourselves. Talk a little bit about your YouTube channel
Speaker 2: and what you're doing with it.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, we're actually doing We actually do both. I
Speaker 1: still still document everything. I don't know if you remember
Speaker 1: the journal that I used to keep, but I still
Speaker 1: write down all activity or all possible activity. And we
Speaker 1: also have another recording project that we're doing right now
Speaker 1: with our friend Steve Edwards. So we still are collecting.
Speaker 1: But on top of that, what our goal right now
Speaker 1: with our YouTube channel is is to overwhelm the public
Speaker 1: with sasquatch story sasquatch encounters, and so we have people
Speaker 1: that collect evidence like us, and then we also have
Speaker 1: people who just had an encounter, one sighting somewhere. That's
Speaker 1: about it. That's about it. It's on sales Sasquatch on
Speaker 1: YouTube if anybody who wants to go check that out.
Speaker 1: But we have tons of evidence from our own property
Speaker 1: as well as again these stories from other people. Most
Speaker 1: of them are from Washington State, with the exception of
Speaker 1: a few people that we've have from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys are kind of focusing on the local
Speaker 2: area there, aren't you.
Speaker 1: For now? Yeah, for now we are, just because there's
Speaker 1: so much you know, I mean, we still have the
Speaker 1: tribes to We've got a lot of tribes that we
Speaker 1: have some projects lined up with. We want to get
Speaker 1: those stories out. And there's also a lot of older
Speaker 1: gentlemen that have been involved in the subject for a
Speaker 1: very long time, like John Andrews, who we did a
Speaker 1: video with not long ago. But there's some others that
Speaker 1: are getting up there in age that I would also
Speaker 1: like to film so that we can preserve their stories
Speaker 1: and their research.
Speaker 2: What's some of the things, like some of the encounters
Speaker 2: that have really stood out out of the people that
Speaker 2: you've spoken with for your YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: We just interviewed a guy, Okay, so he had a
Speaker 1: few different encounters with these creatures in his lifetime. He's
Speaker 1: up in the north northern Cascades of Washington State. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think that you're going to interview him pretty soon
Speaker 1: on your your your podcast. But his name is James,
Speaker 1: and he had a few different encounters, including a sasquatch
Speaker 1: coming in and clearing out an entire campground that they
Speaker 1: were at. But the story that I like even better
Speaker 1: is his most uh he calls it his most intense story.
Speaker 1: And this guy's a combat vet. You know, he trained combat.
Speaker 1: He's fought the drug cartels down in Central America. Like
Speaker 1: he knows, uh, he knows combat. He knows you know, stealthiness,
Speaker 1: all of that. He's a hunter. And there was some
Speaker 1: sasquatch flanking him and his friend one time for miles
Speaker 1: as they left the woods. When he tells a story,
Speaker 1: he just, you know, the goosebumps come over him and
Speaker 1: it's just was quite traumatizing for him. And he just
Speaker 1: speaks about how he's never been up even his times
Speaker 1: in war, he's never been up against anything like that
Speaker 1: in the woods. I just really love that story because
Speaker 1: that's how I like. People always question, how come there's
Speaker 1: no videos, how come we don't, you know, have all
Speaker 1: of a body. How come we don't see them very often?
Speaker 1: And people do see them all the time. But I
Speaker 1: think their number one rule is to be stealth and elusive,
Speaker 1: and there is no other creature that is as good
Speaker 1: at it that is on this planet. In my opinion.
Speaker 2: Your property became famous for the thermal video footage that
Speaker 2: kind of propelled you guys right into the heart of
Speaker 2: the bigfoot world. So, living on a property that's known
Speaker 2: to have at least occasional activity, what sort of things
Speaker 2: are like common occurrences around your place? But then like,
Speaker 2: how often do you guys really encounter these things there?
Speaker 1: Okay, so we hear them often. We hear them quite often.
Speaker 1: John heard the female. I think this was four or
Speaker 1: five nights ago. Now, John heard the female what he
Speaker 1: believes was the female in the woods talking. We hear
Speaker 1: them all the time, but the decade or the sightings
Speaker 1: are like once a decade. I mean, that's so rare
Speaker 1: that you see one. And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: knew that I saw one on May tenth, May tenth
Speaker 1: of this year. But we believe that it's the same
Speaker 1: male that keeps that we keep seeing because the height
Speaker 1: of it, For one, the height keeps popping up. So
Speaker 1: the creature in the thermo video appears to be about
Speaker 1: the same height as the one in the daylight photo
Speaker 1: that I got. And in that daylight photo, he's got
Speaker 1: two colors going on on his head right, like that
Speaker 1: reddish color. And then there's like some discoloration going on
Speaker 1: on his head. Well, when I saw him on May tenth,
Speaker 1: he was about six hundred feet away, but still I
Speaker 1: knew zact what I was looking at. And he was
Speaker 1: two colors it was. It was orangutan red, like a
Speaker 1: bronzish color, and then like a blondish grayish bronze color.
Speaker 1: We have a red German shepherd that's getting very old,
Speaker 1: and this sasquatch had almost the same two colorings on it,
Speaker 1: so I think it's the same male that we're working with.
Speaker 1: I did see another sasquatch that one time through thermal
Speaker 1: that was significantly shorter and didn't have the collar head
Speaker 1: and it was swaying. That was the first one I
Speaker 1: ever saw. And then other common things that we hear
Speaker 1: is we hear wood knocks, and we hear rock clacking,
Speaker 1: and then we also hear lots of mimicking of sounds,
Speaker 1: lots of coyote mimicry. They'll mimic anything. I believe that
Speaker 1: they even mimic machinery, you know, or you'll hear about
Speaker 1: car door slams in the middle of the forest. I
Speaker 1: think that they mimic whatever they can. We actually heard
Speaker 1: a really good impression of an ambulance One time when
Speaker 1: our window was open. It was the heat of the
Speaker 1: summer and there was no cars coming or anything, and
Speaker 1: we hear an amazing impression of an ambulance and it
Speaker 1: was walking down our fence line. Oh wow, and our
Speaker 1: reaction is what caused it to stop. So it's mostly
Speaker 1: things like that, and then we hear a lot of
Speaker 1: weird sounds too, just sounds that we're not sure what
Speaker 1: else it could be, you know, right.
Speaker 2: Can you talk a bit more about the maintent sighting,
Speaker 2: like how that happened and everything.
Speaker 1: So Jonathan and I were sitting down in this area
Speaker 1: that we call the rock pit. There's all these stacked stones,
Speaker 1: and our property sits up on like a small hill,
Speaker 1: and there's a rig that wraps around our entire property,
Speaker 1: and uh, the ridge goes down into a valley and
Speaker 1: then the river wraps around the valley. And so Jonathan
Speaker 1: and I were sitting down in this rock pit where
Speaker 1: you overlook the whole valley and you can see into
Speaker 1: this tree line which is east of our property. And
Speaker 1: you're familiar with the east side of our property, that's
Speaker 1: where the most activity is. That's where a lot of
Speaker 1: the resources are. What people need to understand is our
Speaker 1: our our property is a funnel to some very very
Speaker 1: valuable resources, including a very large black walnut grove. Creeks,
Speaker 1: you know, an amazing spring fed creek that is has
Speaker 1: a lot of wild mint going through it, so it's
Speaker 1: like extremely clean, like you could drink it, you know.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of resources down there. But John
Speaker 1: and I were sitting here and I was looking across
Speaker 1: the field while he was talking, and it was right there.
Speaker 1: It was right there, and then it was gone, and
Speaker 1: the sun was shining right on him. I knew exactly
Speaker 1: what I was looking at when I saw him, and
Speaker 1: I saw his head and everything, and it was so
Speaker 1: fast that I don't know which way he went. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he went right, left or up, you know,
Speaker 1: up down. I have no clue he was gone. I
Speaker 1: was high on adrenaline for a while after that. That was.
Speaker 1: That was quite something else. That was like the time
Speaker 1: that I went to Notts Very Farm with my sister
Speaker 1: and we read roller coasters, we rode roller coasters all day.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt. I was just like so high
Speaker 1: on adrenaline that it made me made me want more,
Speaker 1: you know, And I was like, man, I want to
Speaker 1: see one closer. Now they don't let you see them though.
Speaker 1: It's just so rare. It's just so incredibly rare. We're
Speaker 1: trying to also get people to talk about this publicly
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of people that fear ridicule with
Speaker 1: their stories, you know that, like, would you say it's safe,
Speaker 1: it's safe to call the number one percent of people
Speaker 1: actually report their sightings. It's not much more than that.
Speaker 1: All of the people that we come across have not
Speaker 1: reported their sightings. I know one person that's my friend Ariel,
Speaker 1: who has reported hers when she was young. From when
Speaker 1: she was young. Most people don't report it. And we're
Speaker 1: trying to get people comfortable with this because it's backwards.
Speaker 1: If you think about it, if somebody were to tell
Speaker 1: you that they saw a unicorn or something so rare,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be looked at as so crazy, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It should be looked at as, man,
Speaker 1: you're freaking lucky. And I want people to feel lucky
Speaker 1: that they saw a sasquatch because it really is. It's
Speaker 1: an amazing thing and most people in their lifetime are
Speaker 1: never We're going to get that opportunity.
Speaker 2: I mean, how long was it since your last siding
Speaker 2: of one on your property?
Speaker 1: Ten ten years before, so ten years once per decade, Yeah, a.
Speaker 2: Ten year gap. And you live on property that they
Speaker 2: frequent and travel through.
Speaker 1: And that we hear them all the time, almost almost
Speaker 1: once a month at least. We you know, sometimes there
Speaker 1: will be a couple months of dry spell, but for
Speaker 1: the most part, we hear them so frequently, whether it's
Speaker 1: a mile and a half away or you know, right
Speaker 1: out the tree line. The episode that happened this was
Speaker 1: September fifteenth of twenty twenty three. This is the closest
Speaker 1: set I've ever been to one Behind our property, there's
Speaker 1: about one hundred and twenty feet of wooded area, and
Speaker 1: this is the wooded area. This is one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty feet that you see between Jonathan and his breath
Speaker 1: and the sasquatch on the ridge in the thermal video.
Speaker 1: So sometimes in the summer we put a fire out there,
Speaker 1: and we've had people come camp out there too, and
Speaker 1: they'll usually come in and knock on trees if there's
Speaker 1: like campers and tents back here. Jonathan and I were
Speaker 1: back here with a fire going and there was multiple
Speaker 1: sasquatch around us, and they were doing you know that
Speaker 1: thing I call it sasquatch creeping when they're you're talking, conversating,
Speaker 1: playing music, whatever, and they'll creep in. But the minute
Speaker 1: you're quiet and stop, they stop. You know, they can
Speaker 1: play that game all day. They'll do that for so
Speaker 1: long if they have to. We could not see them,
Speaker 1: and they kept making sounds, kept knocking, and stuff kept
Speaker 1: getting closer. After a half hour went by, I was done.
Speaker 1: I decided I want to go in. So we start
Speaker 1: to walk back and I'm six feet from exiting the
Speaker 1: tree line into our this is our backyard, and I
Speaker 1: hit a wall. Like I just stopped, and like I
Speaker 1: wasn't scared, It wasn't fear. I just like hit a
Speaker 1: wall and just like goosebumps covered my body. It just
Speaker 1: stopped me for a minute, you know, And then I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my gosh, what in the world.
Speaker 1: We could feel this run off, We could feel it
Speaker 1: right up. It was six feet away from me at
Speaker 1: this tree and it just takes off so fast and
Speaker 1: so strong that you could feel its feet hit the ground.
Speaker 1: And this It's incredible how fast this thing scaled the yard.
Speaker 1: So I have a lot of shrubs and trees and
Speaker 1: things like that in the backyard, and I also have
Speaker 1: a chicken coop, a chicken coop. This thing scaled everything
Speaker 1: in seconds. It was absolutely incredible. That's the closest I've
Speaker 1: ever been to one. And people ask me how did
Speaker 1: they smell, And on that occasion, I didn't smell one.
Speaker 1: So I don't think that they always smell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a thing that an odor that
Speaker 2: possibly gets released on certain situations, like when they're excited
Speaker 2: or something. But I don't think it happens all the time.
Speaker 2: That running into that invisible wall that you're talking about, though,
Speaker 2: that's something that's commonly talked about among bigfooters, you know,
Speaker 2: running into the wall.
Speaker 1: That happened to me on November seventh of just this
Speaker 1: month too, November seventh, I was going to the front
Speaker 1: yard and it was pitch black out there again east
Speaker 1: side of the property. And as soon as I cleared
Speaker 1: this old house that's on our property, as soon as
Speaker 1: I cleared this old outhouse that's there, I hit that wall.
Speaker 1: I hit it so hard that my body just naturally
Speaker 1: took a sharp turn to the right, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's time to it's time to go back in.
Speaker 2: Have you ever felt like you were in danger on
Speaker 2: your property?
Speaker 1: The only time was I told you about this years ago.
Speaker 1: This was probably I would say twelve years ago. But
Speaker 1: I was down by the creek one day and there
Speaker 1: was this like overwhelming sense of I don't know, like
Speaker 1: I was just really got really fearful. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I was just extremely fearful. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: all of these knocks started coming from all over, like
Speaker 1: all over the tree lines around this valley, like far
Speaker 1: and close, just beating on trees, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: what in the world is going on? What are they doing?
Speaker 1: I couldn't see any of them, but there were multiple
Speaker 1: individuals beating on trees while I'm down there. And I
Speaker 1: exited the tree line and got out into the open
Speaker 1: field and came home. And by the time I got
Speaker 1: back home, I was crying. I was in tears, and
Speaker 1: I can't explain that. I don't know why. I just
Speaker 1: felt like maybe something was stalking me or something. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, and I'm not saying that it was a Sasquatch.
Speaker 1: I don't think that Sasquatch typically are like that, especially
Speaker 1: not the ones here. But I just can't answer that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I don't know if
Speaker 1: something was warning me, if they were warning me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't answer that. That's like the most intense feeling
Speaker 1: that I've ever had here, and that it was just
Speaker 1: at one time. And you know, I go to that
Speaker 1: area often, it's not a bad area, but it was
Speaker 1: just something about that day. There was something there that
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a safe, a safe thing.
Speaker 2: Earlier today I made on Instagram on the Instagram account
Speaker 2: my friend Jonathan Dodd, artist Extraordinary, had done a rendition
Speaker 2: of my first sighting that I had through the night vision.
Speaker 2: He heard me being interviewed on Bigfoot Society podcast and
Speaker 2: shared the artwork with me, told me I could use
Speaker 2: it if I wanted to. So I went and I
Speaker 2: found the original report that I had submitted to Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Encounters dot com Bauck years and years ago, whenever it
Speaker 2: happened two thousand and two, and I just kind of
Speaker 2: overlaid the text, you know, on the artwork or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I hadn't read that report in a really long time.
Speaker 2: And as I was reading through it. I noticed that
Speaker 2: I specifically mentioned that I was with a group of researchers,
Speaker 2: a small group. There was like four of us, I think,
Speaker 2: and two of them were female. And I put that
Speaker 2: in the report because back then I was told that
Speaker 2: women attract Bigfoot for whatever reason, they seem to have
Speaker 2: better luck. I know at your house, there's you and
Speaker 2: your family, which consists of women in Jonathan.
Speaker 1: Don't discount David.
Speaker 2: Right, But does activity increase whenever the men are gone.
Speaker 1: No, not that I've noticed. No. They've probably known John
Speaker 1: since he was young.
Speaker 2: This is family property, right.
Speaker 1: This is family property. Yeah, generations of family. And again
Speaker 1: we're on tribal lands. John is tribal a lot of people,
Speaker 1: including David Ellis. I was just talking to Shane Corson
Speaker 1: about this last night on the phone, and him and
Speaker 1: David Ellis both think that a big reason why they're
Speaker 1: often on towards the front yard on the east side
Speaker 1: of the property is because David Jonathan's uncle, who's there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you how you're if you want
Speaker 1: to talk about this or whatnot, or if you're you
Speaker 1: feel like some of your listeners might be too sensitive.
Speaker 1: But David is very autistic, and he's a genius. But
Speaker 1: he does the same routine every day. He does the
Speaker 1: same exact thing on Mondays. Every Monday he eats the
Speaker 1: same thing. Every Tuesday, he eats the same thing. He
Speaker 1: does the exact same thing every day. And I think
Speaker 1: that they find comfort in that these creatures are the
Speaker 1: masters of reading body language, and I think that there's
Speaker 1: something very disarming about somebody who is autistic like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think they definitely have the ability
Speaker 2: to read somebody's if they're dangerous or not, you know,
Speaker 2: the aggression that a person has or whatever. If they're
Speaker 2: a hunter, you know, they treat them a certain way
Speaker 2: compared to a child. And I know that they've always
Speaker 2: seemed to be fascinated with children. I know there's you know,
Speaker 2: of course, the horror stories out there that they kidnap
Speaker 2: people and eat them and everything else. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think you're right.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I think that Sasquatch are
Speaker 1: kind of like people, and I think that naturally it
Speaker 1: is not in their nature to harm humans. But I
Speaker 1: do think that every once in a while, just like humans,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a Jeffrey Dahmer, You're gonna get you know,
Speaker 1: those bad things. And also also I can't discount the
Speaker 1: fact that some of these groups that I hear about,
Speaker 1: like in Alaska and things like that, these groups that
Speaker 1: are more aggressive or even on the border of violent.
Speaker 1: I often wonder if something happened to them, if there
Speaker 1: was too much human encroachment or something that caused them
Speaker 1: to be like that.
Speaker 2: Or even if human encrushment is kind of still new
Speaker 2: to them compared to where it is other places. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the biggest incident in all my years of big footing
Speaker 2: outside of you know, my own personal you know, the
Speaker 2: first sighting that I had and things like that. But
Speaker 2: whenever we went down to Texas that time and my
Speaker 2: friend Roddy saw one, and I mean it just completely
Speaker 2: rocked him. He was not ready for that. That night
Speaker 2: was the most intense activity I've ever experienced. I Mean,
Speaker 2: there was a group of us there and they just
Speaker 2: did not care. They did not care at all. And
Speaker 2: the weird thing about it was the individual that was there.
Speaker 2: I still believe there was more than one. I think
Speaker 2: there was two of them down there, but we only
Speaker 2: saw one. It had the opportunity to leave and it
Speaker 2: didn't stayed there and waited for more to come.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: But this was in an area which was a hunting area,
Speaker 2: to be fair, and there was access to a creek.
Speaker 2: It was like a spillway underneath a dam, so there
Speaker 2: was people there. But the area that we were at
Speaker 2: was kind of like the entrance to the public hunting
Speaker 2: grounds that was only opened certain times of the year.
Speaker 2: There's only you know, so many months you can even
Speaker 2: get back there. And I don't think a lot of
Speaker 2: people hunted back there. It didn't seem to have a
Speaker 2: lot of traffic at least I could be completely wrong,
Speaker 2: but I don't think they were used to seeing people.
Speaker 2: I don't think they were used to having people in
Speaker 2: that area. I think they felt like, you guys are
Speaker 2: in our territory, and they were not bashful about it
Speaker 2: at all. And we went back the next day and
Speaker 2: some time after or we left, which I want to
Speaker 2: say it was like one thirty. It was between one
Speaker 2: thirty and three am whenever we left the area, and
Speaker 2: they were still around. They weren't making any more vocalizations
Speaker 2: or anything, so there wasn't any really point for us
Speaker 2: being there anymore. So we all loaded up and went
Speaker 2: back to camp. The next morning, about ten am, we
Speaker 2: went back and the entire place was just destroyed. I
Speaker 2: don't have any other way to put it. Like brush
Speaker 2: and saplings were all ripped out of the ground. A
Speaker 2: tree that was like right next to where I had
Speaker 2: my vehicle parked. It looked like, I don't even know
Speaker 2: how to explain it. It was like some if you
Speaker 2: can just imagine I'm not saying this is what happened,
Speaker 2: but if you can just imagine somebody chopping down a
Speaker 2: tree with rocks. It was just like busted and torn
Speaker 2: and everything. And this tree was a big, tall, you know,
Speaker 2: pine tree. I mean it was probably I don't know,
Speaker 2: fifty sixty feet tall, and it would have fallen, but
Speaker 2: it like got hung up in the branches and the
Speaker 2: vines of other trees and didn't fall. But it was
Speaker 2: like right literally right where my vehicle had been parked.
Speaker 2: Like something destroyed this tree and tried to push it
Speaker 2: over to block where I had just parked the night before.
Speaker 2: And I've never seen anything like it. I mean, it
Speaker 2: was just crazy. And I've often thought over the years
Speaker 2: that that response was because it was a group that
Speaker 2: wasn't used to people, because most of my research was
Speaker 2: conducted in a national park with campgrounds where these things
Speaker 2: were used to people. They didn't act aggressive, they didn't
Speaker 2: really care about hiding themselves that much, and it was
Speaker 2: just entirely different behaviors to me. So I sometimes wonder if,
Speaker 2: like the whole Alaskan thing being sort of the last frontier,
Speaker 2: you know, and these areas where you have a lot
Speaker 2: of like major wilderness going on, if maybe that's the
Speaker 2: cause of the differences in behavior, where they're just not
Speaker 2: used to the encroachment, they're not used to having people
Speaker 2: living around them and stuff, and they're still trying to
Speaker 2: actively and aggressively push them out.
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of it seems like the encounters that people have of
Speaker 1: the sasquatch that live on the outskirts of society are
Speaker 1: more docile. They're not They're not the same as sasquatch
Speaker 1: that our way you got to you gotta go a
Speaker 1: couple of days to get to them, right.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: John Andrews recordings are a really good example of that.
Speaker 1: Those are out in the middle of nowhere where he
Speaker 1: got those recordings, and I just can't see us getting
Speaker 1: recordings like that here. I mean, we have some recordings
Speaker 1: that I don't know how it's possible other people didn't hear,
Speaker 1: but to have those constant roars and stuff, that would
Speaker 1: be something different, and it seems like that's more out there.
Speaker 1: I've heard that there's a place called Gold Bar in Washington,
Speaker 1: and I've heard that there's a group there that is
Speaker 1: quite aggressive, and that's actually not as rural as you'd think,
Speaker 1: so I wonder what went on there, But they're known
Speaker 1: for being very aggressive.
Speaker 2: Well you know in southeastern Oklahoma. They're also known as
Speaker 2: being aggressive there, and I think it has a lot
Speaker 2: to do with the area because down there in particularly,
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's not just there, there's other
Speaker 2: places like this, but it's kind of one of those
Speaker 2: areas where if you hear something, you know, sneaking around
Speaker 2: on your property at night, you just step outside and
Speaker 2: fire around off at it. That's just the way that
Speaker 2: the people are down there. You definitely don't want to
Speaker 2: go trespassing down there. And I wonder if they've, you know,
Speaker 2: encounter that type of behavior from humans, you know, humans
Speaker 2: taking shots at them and you know, being aggressive acting
Speaker 2: towards them, and you just have to kind of think
Speaker 2: about how they perceive your actions, because, like you were saying,
Speaker 2: they're masters of reading body language, so how are are
Speaker 2: actions coming across to them? Which I think that's like
Speaker 2: why you have a lot of situations with hunters, because
Speaker 2: hunters are in that hunting mentality at the time, and
Speaker 2: the bigfoot doesn't know that, you know, the hunter is
Speaker 2: necessarily only hunting a deer. They just know that a
Speaker 2: human's out there with a gun and they're hunting.
Speaker 1: Did you hear about that encounter where that guy he
Speaker 1: had dropped down in the feet man, I want to say,
Speaker 1: this is Oklahoma, I'm probably botching that. But this guy
Speaker 1: dropped down in the fetal position and there was a
Speaker 1: male and a female there and he wanted to toss
Speaker 1: the female his apple, you know, just to try to
Speaker 1: de escalate the situation. And he said that in order
Speaker 1: to get to the apple, he had to pass his
Speaker 1: gun that was on his hip, and every time his
Speaker 1: hand would go close to the gun, the sasquatch the
Speaker 1: mail would growl. So I just find that so significant,
Speaker 1: like they know what that is. Yeah, but he was
Speaker 1: don't you dare, don't you touch that? If you touch that,
Speaker 1: you know, you're done. I think that's another thing. People
Speaker 1: need to be very careful when they encounter uh sasquatch.
Speaker 1: You know, we had somebody suggested on our channel recently
Speaker 1: that you do that you put both hands up. She said,
Speaker 1: it's a universal sign for mountain men, you know, you
Speaker 1: put you both hands up and show your palms. And
Speaker 1: I think that's probably a good idea.
Speaker 2: I mean that was you know, taught by Robert Morgan
Speaker 2: in the seventies. You know, oh really yeah, if you
Speaker 2: encounter that was his whole thing, Like, if you encounter
Speaker 2: as sasquatch, put your palms to the sky, show that
Speaker 2: you're on.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea, yeah.
Speaker 2: Which I don't necessarily know that they would know, you know,
Speaker 2: me are meaning behind it. Just like whenever people talk
Speaker 2: about like X formations and tree formations. I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: think that if they are responsible for those, that they're
Speaker 2: meant for us and that we know what they mean exactly.
Speaker 2: We just kind of put our own definitions on them.
Speaker 1: I think that it's just a trail marking, don't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I've got my reasons, you know, I've
Speaker 2: done the work before, let's hear it. I mean so like, okay,
Speaker 2: so a lot of X formations that I ran across personally,
Speaker 2: I noticed that there was another limb involved. It wasn't
Speaker 2: always an X formation. Sometimes it formed what I call
Speaker 2: an artist easel because it was like an A with
Speaker 2: an extended crossbar and extended you know, legs and everything.
Speaker 2: And while it kind of looks like an X, I
Speaker 2: get it, but if you lined up just right and
Speaker 2: look through the hole, you would see another formation in
Speaker 2: the distance, usually not too far away. And it seemed
Speaker 2: like it just kind of certain formations led to certain
Speaker 2: geographical features. I'll put it that way.
Speaker 1: I would agree with that.
Speaker 2: There was also a formation that, like I don't really
Speaker 2: hear people talking about very much. I call it a
Speaker 2: crossbar or a doorway because it makes like basically the
Speaker 2: frame of a door out in the woods, very easy
Speaker 2: to spot if you're looking for him. I don't know
Speaker 2: what those represent. They didn't point directly towards anything that
Speaker 2: I saw that. There was a couple that I found
Speaker 2: that pointed towards fence lines. If that top limb that's
Speaker 2: broken over is actually a pointing device, but you know,
Speaker 2: that's just speculation. I never got to ask a Bigfoot
Speaker 2: exactly what it meant.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that I would call them rooms, the
Speaker 1: blueprints that were on the florist floor of the east
Speaker 1: side of our property. Yeah, it was like the diameter
Speaker 1: of the trees was I would say, between four and
Speaker 1: six inches, and it was it would be like four
Speaker 1: or five trees that were on the ground forming a
Speaker 1: perfect square or a shape like that, you know, like
Speaker 1: each end of each log met up till it formed
Speaker 1: a shape and enclosed shape. And then off of that
Speaker 1: there was another room, and then another room, and there
Speaker 1: were four different what looked like rooms. That's one of
Speaker 1: the most odd things that I've ever found here.
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think that's for? You know,
Speaker 2: because I.
Speaker 1: Have no idea. I can't even begin to speculate. It's
Speaker 1: just one of the weirdest things I've ever found. And
Speaker 1: there's no possible there's not a person in the world
Speaker 1: that would see that and say that that happened naturally.
Speaker 1: It's impossible, right.
Speaker 2: But it's also something where it's it's not like standing up,
Speaker 2: so if you're like in an upright position or like
Speaker 2: you're looking through the trees, you're not going to see it.
Speaker 2: It's down on the ground so like it has to be.
Speaker 1: It looked like blueprints to a house. Yeah, it just
Speaker 1: looks like you know, that's what it looked like. Like.
Speaker 2: Did you ever check to us see if it matched
Speaker 2: the layout of your property?
Speaker 1: Somebody said that befoor, no it doesn't. But somebody asked that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not the first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be super creepy.
Speaker 1: It would be creepy. I don't know how i'd feel
Speaker 1: about that if that was the case.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you guys go outside at nighttime
Speaker 2: like the whole like.
Speaker 1: I'm not scared of them. I'm not scared of this group.
Speaker 1: They could have snapped my neck a hundred times over
Speaker 1: by now if they wanted to.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 1: If they're not my friends, I'm not saying they're my
Speaker 1: forest friends or anything like that. They're they're wild and everything,
Speaker 1: and I have a I have a healthy respect, you know,
Speaker 1: a fearful respect for them. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I know that they're not going to hurt me.
Speaker 2: Have you ever tried any like I don't want to
Speaker 2: say gifting, but like leaving objects or anything. Have they
Speaker 2: ever interacted in any way?
Speaker 1: So I tried painting sticks one time, like tribal designs
Speaker 1: and stuff on them. And I left them in the
Speaker 1: woods and they disappeared. But I don't know what happened
Speaker 1: to them. Anything could have happened, right. It seems like
Speaker 1: with a lot of sasquatch activity, things like that will
Speaker 1: reappear in the same spot. I never had that happen,
Speaker 1: So I don't know what I do. Sometimes a few
Speaker 1: times a year, I would say four or five times
Speaker 1: a year is I will go buy a bag of
Speaker 1: organic apples and I will leave those. And I was
Speaker 1: told by an old man who had them frequent his
Speaker 1: property that you never placed them on the ground. They
Speaker 1: won't eat them off the ground. You always put them
Speaker 1: on a stump or something higher up. They're not they
Speaker 1: don't appreciate their ground on their food on the ground,
Speaker 1: he said. So I always put them higher up, and uh,
Speaker 1: they're always gone the next day. But I don't look.
Speaker 1: I don't you know how I feel about cameras. Cameras
Speaker 1: don't work, So I just leave it, you know, I
Speaker 1: just kind of do it as I guess, maybe like
Speaker 1: a peace offering or something. I don't know, but you know,
Speaker 1: just like I feed all the wildlife around here, I've
Speaker 1: got a lot of bird flocks and stuff. I just
Speaker 1: I just like doing that every once in a while.
Speaker 1: But other than that, we don't really gift.
Speaker 2: There is this lady that I interviewed on the podcast
Speaker 2: before that had sent me some pictures from her property
Speaker 2: and something we don't know what, but there's a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff going on. I have my reasons to believe
Speaker 2: that it was bigfoot activity. But one of the things
Speaker 2: that she sent me was these pictures of tomatoes that
Speaker 2: had been like strong like speared onto little tiny broken
Speaker 2: tree branches on a tree like eight to ten feet
Speaker 2: up in the air where I mean, it had to
Speaker 2: have been something with hands to do it, Like, there's
Speaker 2: no other way it could have happened.
Speaker 1: Like they were keeping them there for later.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never encountered the stuff that she
Speaker 2: had happening on this property, like I've never heard ste.
Speaker 1: They're all different, aren't they. Yeah, it seems like all
Speaker 1: situations like ours, it's all a little different.
Speaker 2: But your situation is unique in the perspective that it's
Speaker 2: native land, it's family land, and the belief is they
Speaker 2: have been there traveling through that property for a very
Speaker 2: long time, long before you guys were there. Do you
Speaker 2: guys hear stories from like neighbors and other people still?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. I wish that I could get all
Speaker 1: these people on camera. A few of them are willing,
Speaker 1: but most most just you know, they're they're just still
Speaker 1: uncertain about going on camera. But there's a woman that
Speaker 1: lives down the street. You remember the fisherman we used
Speaker 1: to always talk to you about, right, it's his sister.
Speaker 1: She told me that they used to walk on the house,
Speaker 1: that there was a young one that would walk on
Speaker 1: top of the house and she would hide in her bed.
Speaker 1: She'd pull her covers over her head because it scared
Speaker 1: her so bad.
Speaker 2: That's just crazy. But like, I mean, it's the same
Speaker 2: stuff that I.
Speaker 1: Hear, not that long ago. It's not long ago either,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, this woman's in her late fifties,
Speaker 1: early sixties.
Speaker 2: I would say, I mean, how how are the people
Speaker 2: around there? Like what are they like whenever it comes
Speaker 2: to the subject. Are they just like yeah this, like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like are they just talking
Speaker 2: about it, like.
Speaker 1: Like it's like it's any animal, wild animal, right? A
Speaker 1: lot of people do. However, a lot of people put
Speaker 1: blanket statements over tribes, like you'll say the natives believe this,
Speaker 1: That's not true because within this tribe even you know,
Speaker 1: even within this family Jonathan's father comes from a huge family,
Speaker 1: and even his sisters, his brothers and sisters, there's even
Speaker 1: different beliefs within them. Some people believe that it's a
Speaker 1: thing that walks between worlds. Some people think that it's
Speaker 1: an ancient type of human. Some people don't believe in
Speaker 1: them at all, and some people get really offended by it.
Speaker 1: They do not want to have any any talk about it,
Speaker 1: you know, but it varies. There's no blanket, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no agreement. However, the people that are aware of them,
Speaker 1: for the most part, they talk about it like it's nothing.
Speaker 2: I just know the native communities here that you know,
Speaker 2: I was a part of whenever I was big footing,
Speaker 2: were very like it was like they weren't filling out
Speaker 2: siding reports, they weren't going on camera and talking about it.
Speaker 2: But if they knew you or knew someone that kind
Speaker 2: of vouched for you, you know, they'll talk about it
Speaker 2: around a campfire or something. They'll tell you a story
Speaker 2: or whatever, and they were just all it's just very
Speaker 2: matter of fact, just these things are out there and
Speaker 2: we deal with them on a regular basis, and we
Speaker 2: don't want the attention. We don't want people, you know,
Speaker 2: ridiculing us. And that's just the way it was, and
Speaker 2: stuff happened all the time, and from my understanding, sightings
Speaker 2: and encounters still happen all the time in those communities,
Speaker 2: like on a regular basis. Like it's it's not I
Speaker 2: think there's like one hundred and something sighting reports on
Speaker 2: the BFRO database for Oklahoma. But people I know that
Speaker 2: are you know, tuned into the Bigfoot world in Oklahoma
Speaker 2: right now, fifty to one hundred sidings every year happen
Speaker 2: easily that they hear about. And that's just the ones
Speaker 2: they hear about. So it's just mind blowing. There was
Speaker 2: one small Native American community here that had a town
Speaker 2: hall meeting about it because they are coming in every
Speaker 2: night and like raiding trash cans and being a nuisance
Speaker 2: and causing problems and they're trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: to do about it.
Speaker 1: Oh, that happened on the Skokomish reservation here. They were
Speaker 1: raiding some trash cans for a while, even in broad daylight.
Speaker 2: I mean, why do you think they do that? Do
Speaker 2: you think it's just like, are they really forced to?
Speaker 1: I think maybe sometimes they just get so comfortable with
Speaker 1: the people and they know that, you know, after observing
Speaker 1: for so long, they know that those people aren't going
Speaker 1: to hurt them. These sasquats here, they know I'm not armed,
Speaker 1: I'm never you know, they know that I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm going to run for my life if one it's
Speaker 1: too close for me. I'm not gonna you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna hurt. I'm not gonna harm them or anything
Speaker 1: like that. They know that, and I think that they
Speaker 1: know that with I don't know of a Native American.
Speaker 1: I haven't met one that would ever shoot one. I
Speaker 1: think that that's probably against all beliefs full stop, you know,
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, because uh, yeah, that's just
Speaker 1: I've never ever heard anybody suggest that, just like I've
Speaker 1: never heard anybody here suggest that they were an ape.
Speaker 1: That is one belief that is lacking. Nobody thinks they're
Speaker 1: an ape.
Speaker 2: So I just had Kathy Strain on recently, again, someone I've.
Speaker 1: Known for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, love Kathy, and you know, she's a scientist and
Speaker 2: she is part of kind of a scientific based research
Speaker 2: group whose objective is to harvest a specimen to prove
Speaker 2: their existence so they can provide legal protection for the
Speaker 2: species and recognition. And man, oh man, people who are
Speaker 2: not happy with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean to each his own. I
Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, I don't want to. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. I would never do that. That would
Speaker 1: not even cross my mind. And let me just tell you,
Speaker 1: I think that. I hope that if okay, if this
Speaker 1: is to be, I'm okay if they're left undiscovered. I
Speaker 1: like the mystery. I love chasing the biggest mystery on Earth.
Speaker 1: It is so fun and it's just fun to uncover.
Speaker 1: It's fun to listen to people talk, it's fun to
Speaker 1: put puzzle pieces together. I'm okay if they're never discovered.
Speaker 1: If they are, I'm going to quote my friend Jack
Speaker 1: Bauers and say that I would rather have a walk
Speaker 1: count in front of a semi truck and there'd be
Speaker 1: too many people as witnesses for it to be confiscated. However,
Speaker 1: I look at it like this, If that happens, whether
Speaker 1: if somebody takes a specimen or if one walks out
Speaker 1: in front of a truck. What is that going to do.
Speaker 1: That's going to give us a body, but it's not
Speaker 1: going to teach us anything. We're not going to know
Speaker 1: how large their territories, how often they breed, what they eat,
Speaker 1: what they require. We're going to learn nothing about that.
Speaker 1: And I think that it's going to be a complete
Speaker 1: and utter destruction of the economy. It's going to be
Speaker 1: just like the Northern spotted owl what it did to
Speaker 1: the economy in Oregon. I mean, it destroyed logging overnight,
Speaker 1: and I think that this would absolutely devastate our economy.
Speaker 1: It would shut everything down. So I think that these
Speaker 1: people are eager to have a body because they want
Speaker 1: to understand. But I don't know how much understanding that
Speaker 1: would actually give us. If that makes we still won't
Speaker 1: know about their behavior, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're not you're not out to shoot one
Speaker 2: never you're not pro camera.
Speaker 1: I was for years, you know, I had thoroughly documented
Speaker 1: for years. I tried placing cameras everywhere. I put thermal
Speaker 1: cameras fifteen feet up in trees overlooking the valley. I
Speaker 1: put tiny cameras that were they used Wi Fi. This
Speaker 1: is when Wi Fi cameras first came out, I would
Speaker 1: say eight nine years ago. You know those little ones
Speaker 1: that I think they were called like view cameras, and
Speaker 1: I would say they're about an eight and a half
Speaker 1: or an inch and a half foot, sorry an inch
Speaker 1: and a half tall by like an inch wide, and
Speaker 1: they ran off Wi Fi and they were motion cameras.
Speaker 1: And I put them covering this ridge, I put them
Speaker 1: covering the tree line. I put those cameras everywhere, and
Speaker 1: I tried for years to gather some sort of camera evidence,
Speaker 1: and they avoid those like the plague. It did not
Speaker 1: matter what kind of camera. And even like there was
Speaker 1: one day where I waited, I was like, okay, there's
Speaker 1: we don't get days over here that are over one hundred.
Speaker 1: We just don't get that. But there was one coming
Speaker 1: up one time where it was going to be super hot,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, I know for sure they're
Speaker 1: not going to be on this side of the river.
Speaker 1: They're going to be up in the springs, up by
Speaker 1: the springs, right because there's no they don't drink. They
Speaker 1: don't drink stale creek water. They like that water. So
Speaker 1: I waited till this day and I planted this camera
Speaker 1: and no, they avoided it like the plague, and as
Speaker 1: soon as I would remove any of these cameras, they
Speaker 1: would show us that they were using this area again.
Speaker 1: And so I think that cameras, for whatever reason, I
Speaker 1: don't think that it has to be a paranormal thing
Speaker 1: why they know they're there. I think that it could
Speaker 1: just be their senses. They're heightened senses. I think that
Speaker 1: they can see them, smell them, feel them, all of
Speaker 1: those things when it comes to these cameras, and they
Speaker 1: just don't work. We've had multiple comments on our YouTube
Speaker 1: channel from people saying and where I live in Washington State,
Speaker 1: they're known as pest and we use trail cameras to
Speaker 1: keep them away. And I had another woman say trail
Speaker 1: cameras are what we use for repellent because of how
Speaker 1: they are here in Washington State. There's different people that
Speaker 1: don't know each other saying that's what works. If they're
Speaker 1: being obnoxious, you keep them away with trail.
Speaker 2: Cameras, no shooting, no cameras, you're recording audio. What is
Speaker 2: your goal in all of this? What are you wanting
Speaker 2: to accomplish? Whenever it's all said and done with and
Speaker 2: you're no longer involved in this. What do you want
Speaker 2: to have accomplished?
Speaker 1: I just want people to know the truth if they're
Speaker 1: after it. I guess there's a fantastic creature out there
Speaker 1: that's very rare and it's the most amazing creature that
Speaker 1: I am aware of, and I would like to know
Speaker 1: more about it, And for those people out there that
Speaker 1: also want to know about it, I want them to
Speaker 1: know as well. You know, I feel like I'm in
Speaker 1: this situation, this amazing situation I was given where they're
Speaker 1: in my yard, and it would be a shame if
Speaker 1: I didn't talk about that, if I didn't share that.
Speaker 1: So I think that's why it's just to for those
Speaker 1: that want to know, you know, give them just a
Speaker 1: little glimpse of who they are. I think that's about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to say one more thing about cameras that
Speaker 1: I've learned. Cameras work if you're holding it, if it's
Speaker 1: on you, they work. Like every time I hear oh
Speaker 1: I heard there's a new drail campfload of coming out
Speaker 1: of or you know, I'm just like, you know, right,
Speaker 1: no way, no it. They don't work. But what we
Speaker 1: have learned, so the daylight photo I got, I was
Speaker 1: holding the camera. The footage that Jonathan and Ben got,
Speaker 1: they were holding the camera, Patterson, Gimblin holding the camera,
Speaker 1: Freeman holding the camera, planting stuff in their uh in
Speaker 1: their homes, in their uh in their you know, territory.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. So I think my goal is to
Speaker 1: get some good thermal equipment. We have yet to get
Speaker 1: a good thermal camera since John captured that, So I
Speaker 1: would like to get better thermal footage than what we
Speaker 1: have right now. But in order to do that, you
Speaker 1: got to be holding that camera.
Speaker 2: Do you guys have the thermal footage on your YouTube channel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do. It's on there. I think it's called
Speaker 1: like the best thermal footage ever of a Sasquatch.
Speaker 2: It's on It's not clickbait, that's the truth, just for
Speaker 2: the record.
Speaker 1: So it's on Salis Sasquatch channel on YouTube. And they
Speaker 1: can also find the daylight photo that I got there
Speaker 1: that is under a video titled new bigfoot Sighting on
Speaker 1: Indian Reservation.
Speaker 2: And this footage was obtained years and years ago, but
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it has been put through the ringer.
Speaker 2: I'm one of the people that put it through the ringer.
Speaker 2: I you know, I never went, you know, on site
Speaker 2: or anything, but a lot of other people did, including
Speaker 2: Phil Polling a pair of breakdown and he gave it
Speaker 2: his stamp of approval. And I mean, if there's a
Speaker 2: blemish in something, if there's a weak point in the armor,
Speaker 2: Phil will find it.
Speaker 1: He's so good at what he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Sarah, thanks for joining me again. It was Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was good talking to you, and of course, you
Speaker 2: know we'll talk again. We talk pretty regularly now, but yeah,
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I look forward to our upcoming project together absolutely.
Speaker 2: And if you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot and
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