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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Are

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. If

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you'd like to email us, please do so at radio

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at the Federalist dot com. We love to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: Moll.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am so tired right now.

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Speaker 3: I feel energized. I feel like I could do anything.

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I haven't gotten sleep, but I feel really good. I've

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had a lot of caffeine.

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Speaker 1: I'll be up on me too. I think I've had

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five cups of coffee this morning, so I'm a little jittery.

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I'm going to do the best I can. There's so

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much to cover. It basically just happened, right, can I

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just but we just I want.

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Speaker 2: To hear where were you?

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Speaker 3: What were you doing? When did you realize it was over?

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Just tell me your situation.

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Speaker 1: I do not make predictions before the election anymore for

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a few reasons. A. I'm not that's not what I do.

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I don't read polls. I don't really care that much. B.

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I don't. People treat predictions like they're written in blood,

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and they will never let you forget them. If you're

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wrong and it's just not important for me to do. However,

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I did think Donald Trump was going to win. I

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have proof. I sent it out and text some people

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with time stamps. I did, okay, I thought, you know,

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I thought he was going to win, you know, Georgia

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for sure. I thought he was going to win Pennsylvania.

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From what I felt, I was wrong. I had him

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losing Wisconsin and Michigan. I'm not sure Michigan's called yet,

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but it looks like he's going to win there too.

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So I was a little bit off, but it wasn't

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too bad. I was largely happy with myself. Actually, Nevada also,

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I'm not sure is it called yet. I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's he's going to win that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so he did better than I thought he

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would do. But I am usually pretty cautious with my

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you know, I usually try to perveric, go right in

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the middle, try to you know, I pick a person.

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But I don't ever think it's going to be, you know,

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a runaway election. I think this. I wouldn't call it

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a complete landslide in the kind of like the nineteen

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eighty four way, but it is a it is a

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resounding victory for Donald Trump, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was telling people that I thought he would win

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and saying it on TV, which is, you know, more risky,

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And people kept on texting me and asking me what

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would happen, And even at Fox yesterday, I was talking

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to all these people and They're like, what's going to happen?

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And I'm like, he's I think he's going to win.

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But I had a much more modest understanding of what

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it would be. I thought it would be that he

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won Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, but I wasn't really sure

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about the rest of them.

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Speaker 2: I thought he would win Arizona.

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Speaker 3: I did not think he would win Nevada, just because

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they have such an effective ballot harvesting game on the

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Democrat side. And yeah, it's much much much more decisive

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and more more than anything, it's that he somehow won

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the popular vote, and he wasn't playing to win.

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Speaker 2: The popular vote.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you if you were playing to win

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the popular vote, you do a lot of campaigning. In

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California and New York. He did a little bit. They

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did like one two in New York, one in California.

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And yet it's still going to not just win a

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plurality of the popular vote, but an outright majority.

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Speaker 1: This is not a criticism of you, but I don't.

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I always feel uncomfortable talking about the popular vote because

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there is no such thing, and I think making it

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seem important undermines what the election is about. The election

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was about the whole country, and I thought, don now

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that I look at you know, after an election, sometimes

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you look at it and you're like, yeah, of course,

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I should have known he was going to run away

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with this thing. It's bigger than the electoral college number.

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It's about him winning all kinds. We're expanding Republican. How

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can I say?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 1: Every minority population became more Republican last night, right, and

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that is very important. Now we can then future podcast

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talk about whether that's a Donald Trump thing or if

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it's going to last past him. I don't know for

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sure about that. But it also is a condemnation basically

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of what the media did and said. They basically portrayed

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him as a Nazi, as a fascist. That's what all

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the conversation was about. And yet if you believe exepos,

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and I think I don't believe them very specifically, but

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in general, I think you can believe trends is that

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Jewish people voted in historic numbers for Donald Trump. Latino

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men especially that basically have turned almost republic I mean

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it's like almost. I think he'd won a majority of them, right,

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like fifty three percent or something. What other minorities, you know,

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just across the board, and even one white women. I

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want to talk about that A little bad abortion and

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how I think both of us have been saying that

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that that's that the narrative that abortion is going to

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kill Republicans across the country I think is false. So anyway,

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those are some of my my, you know, the first

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things that popped into my mind when he won.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, let's just kind of take it by.

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Speaker 1: Parts.

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Speaker 3: You were talking about whether you don't know whether this

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will last past Donald Trump, And I do think one

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of the things that made this campaign so interesting was

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the selection of JD. Vance and he in Donald Trump's

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acceptance speech last night. And I do want to just

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point out, I'm sure it's going to happen in any minute,

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but as of the taping of this podcast, Kamala Harris

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still has not conceded that she lost the election, which

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is kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's I mean, it's not even close, you know.

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Speaker 3: But Trump picked Jade Vance and in his accept in

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his acceptance speech last night, he said that he'd gotten

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a little heat for picking him initially, but that he

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clearly had made the right choice and he had such

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a brain on him when you We also saw people

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say that Kamala Harris simply didn't have enough time to

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close the deal with voters, and I would argue precisely

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the opposite. Even though she was only the nominee for

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a few short months, it was too much time. Voters,

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helped along by a complete propaganda press, seemed willing to

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have her do this coup on Biden and be installed

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as the nominee. And the more they got to know her,

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they really didn't like her. And one of her only

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decisions that she made in the entire campaign, and the

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one she said you would judge her by, was her

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selection of Tim Walls as the vice presidential nominee, and

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that was just an abject disaster. It was done with

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a wonderful rollout, with the help of the propaganda press.

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They said this was going to help Kamala win the

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Western male vote. It seemed like maybe no one in

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the Democrat Party had ever met a man, because that

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guy was created in a lab to turn men off

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from the idea of voting for her. He was very weird,

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had horrific policies like putting tampons in boys' bathrooms, having

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education czars who called for the destruction of America. I mean,

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he was really bad, and he just came off weird

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and unmanly. He had the debacle with not knowing how

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to fire his own gun that he claimed he'd had

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for years. What was his He had some other manly mistake.

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Speaker 1: But he also he lied about how his kids were conceived.

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He was just weird.

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Speaker 3: His she lied or did not know. Yeah, the circumstances

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of his children's consents.

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Speaker 1: Lied about his military service, which was to be disqualifying

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in the past. You know, I think it's immoral. Yeah.

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I don't think Shapiro changes the come this election, but

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it would make it closer. I think Pennsylvania is the

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is the key to that election in many ways, And

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I mean, you could lose Pennsylvania, maybe you win Michigan

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in Wisconsin, but that seems like a big poll. So

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all I'm saying is that, But what happened was, like

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you said, she said, this was her big decision. So

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she didn't pick Shapiro because I think because she's you know,

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the Prohamas wing didn't like it. And also he was

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pro school choice and other stuff, so you know, the

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teachers' unions.

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Speaker 3: Well he claimed to be when he ran, and then

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ls he was in office, he was not right.

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Speaker 1: So instead of picking someone who might make her look

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more moderate because she's changed her positions on a slew

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of things, excuse me, she picks someone who makes her

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look more radical, who doesn't appeal to working class people

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at all. You can put all the flannel shirts on

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you want, and then she not only loses Pennsylvania, she

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loses Michigan anyway. I mean in Dearborn, more people voted

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for Stein than voted for Kamala Harris anyway. So it's

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a her anti Israel stuff, her you know, her constant

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trying to take all sides on all things. It was

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just a disaster and she we have to admit where

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I think, at least historically speaking or my lifetime, the

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worst presidential candidate, worse than Hillary in many ways. I

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just think she was such a complete fraud. And you're

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right also about the time. Initially they created this manufacture,

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this candidate that didn't exist, Kamala Harris, kamalatt all that stuff.

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the less likely it was she was going to win

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this election. I think there were other factors, but she

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was definitely terrible.

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Speaker 3: I just want to also say that in twenty twenty,

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Joe Biden won Minnesota by like nearly eight points, and

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in twenty twenty four, with the sitting governor of Minnesota

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on the ticket, Kamala Harris only won it by like

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four points.

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Speaker 1: Do you know that she underperformed Donald Trump? Sorry, she

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underperformed Joe Biden in every single county in a America

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other than one in Georgia. I think there's less that's changed.

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Speaker 3: There's a pretty funny video of John King telling Jake

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Tapper russiaclusion hoaxer Jake Tapper about it, and he's just

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shocked that it's not a single county. Okay, But I

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was telling all of this about Tim Walls because I

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think Kamala Harris had a really bad October and it

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really began with that debate between Jade Vance and Tim Walls,

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and going into that debate, she had all this momentum,

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everyone was feeling really good on the Democrat side, and

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jd Vance obliterated Tim Walls and the two Democrat propagandists

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who were moderating the debate, and it just set off

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a series of things. I mean, I think Trump obviously

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would have won regardless, but it was just it was

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bad and jd Vance being the heir to the manga

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movement as a substantial leveling up in terms of who's

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following what Donald Trump has been saying in advocating.

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Speaker 1: As you know, I don't agree with jd Vance on

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a lot of stuff. I wish he wasn't the VP candidate.

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I think he was the most talented candidate running in

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the sense of being able to articulate positions. He actually,

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I think put meat on the MAGA position in a

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way that Donald Trump doesn't. But Donald Trump is also,

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in a way I think, a celebrity, a very unique

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figure in American history. I'm not sure jd Vance is

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going to have the same appeal across you know, he may.

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I don't know what's going to happen. It's still off.

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We're four years off. From that, I assume he's probably

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going to end up being the presidential candidate. Donald Trump

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is a very unique figure in American history. People underestimate

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his charisma. They completely underestimate how good he is at

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retail politics and with people. I noticed that this election

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more than ever, where he shows up at a McDonald's,

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and the way he interacts with normal people, working class people,

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all kinds of Americans is better than I think any

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candidate I've seen an American policy. You know, he's just

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great at it. I'm not sure Jade Vance is up

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at that level at all. I think it's gonna be

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very different, but he definitely is. If you're a maga person,

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he is the best choice. I think it was a

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great choice for them because he does he is the

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person who will who will who can articulate and move forward,

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move that movement forward.

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, No, it's a real issue, and it

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really annoys me when people say. You'll see some very

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bad political analysts saying stuff like, oh, if Dicky Haley

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were the nominee, she would have had this were wrapped

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up two weeks ago. It's like, how can you be

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so bad at politics and still have a profession.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right about Nicky Haley, but I do

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think other Republicans would have won this races. I think

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DeSantis wins this race as well, but I think that

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the economy is so bad, they're so incompetent, and even

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a competent, different sort of Republican like DeSantis wins the selection.

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Nicki Haley not so much because I don't think I

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think her appeal is very limited anyway, Sorry to interrupt there.

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Speaker 3: People always focus on how elite regime type figures hate

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Donald Trump, and so they talk obsessively about how polarizing

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he is. And it is true that he is polarizing.

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That is absolutely true. There are people who, like irrationally,

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are consumed with hatred for the man. But it is

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also true that he is a once in a lifetime

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kind of political talent who can bring out voters who

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would never have voted Republican in a million years. I mean,

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I love Ron DeSantis. I don't see him pull in

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the rust belt, you know, like Donald Trump did, or

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with that enthusiasm, or getting union endorsements, or being a

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transformative figure that gets Elon Musk playing on the field

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at the way he did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with that first part for sure,

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though I don't you know, I think also it's also.

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Speaker 3: Lute because we had a Republican primary. They didn't have

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a Democrat primary. There was a Republican primary.

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Speaker 5: For sure.

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Speaker 1: The primary doesn't always pick the best candidate, as you know.

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Speaker 3: See twenty twelve in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we know, okay, but well, all I'm saying is

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that I do think it's unique. I do think the

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rust belt stuff is unique. I do think the working

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class voter is unique. But I also think that and

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this is for another podcast. I think in the long run,

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it's also important to think about the sun Belt. It's

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important to think about the suburbs. It's if you've become

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just a working class party, the biggest, the fastest shrinking

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demographic in American life, that's going to be problematic for

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people in the future. But that's this for another podcast.

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Speaker 3: I think, well, but you also can grow the middle

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class in the working class through economic policies.

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Speaker 1: And I just think a lot of this class warfare

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can backfire with something. Actually, it's less talented than Donald Trump. Yeah,

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is a saying.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what I wanted to say was I think

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you're right to be concerned about what could happen after

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Donald Trump, because nobody has his political talent. I think

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it's something the Republican Party should think deeply about how

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they're going to win in the future without having someone

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sort of single handedly saving the day. But you pointed

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out that the working class is declining in America. That's

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a big part of why Trump won is that people

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agree that the working class is declining. But I was

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thinking about it as it relates to the female vote.

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For Democrats, they do not get the married women vote,

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they do get the single woman vote, and this creates

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a very perverse incentive to keep women single so that

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they will vote Democrat. And not that you need a

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study to say this, but studies show that married women

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are far happier, far more satisfied, far more successful. They

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just have much better lives than single women. So the

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fact that a political party is deeply invested in keeping

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women single and killing their offspring is just not good

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for the country. But having a party that's invested in

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growing the working class is actually good for the country.

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situation where people can work in a variety of fields.

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Speaker 2: That's good for the country.

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Speaker 1: Well, anyone. I think it's a debate for now. I

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think we should be I think working class people probably

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want their kids to get out of the working class

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and to become more successful and not have to, you know,

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struggle with paycheck to paycheck or you know, I mean

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my parents.

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Speaker 3: No, people want they want their kids, who maybe aren't

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going to be rocket scientists, to be able to form

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a family, buy a house. You're on a working class salary, Like,

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not everybody is going to have genius kids who make billions.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's talk about this another time, because

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it's just going to go into an area and long debate.

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Speaker 4: The left keeps preaching for a quality of Kamala is elected,

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but is this a dystopian America? The Watchout on Wall

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Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps unpack

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the connection between politics and the economy and how it.

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Speaker 1: Affects your wallet.

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Speaker 4: The idea that we're all supposed to end up in

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the exact same place, even after working much harder than

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they are. That's like a dystopian Kurt Vonnegut novel. Whether

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it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street. It's

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affecting you financially.

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Speaker 1: Be informed.

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Speaker 4: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris

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Speaker 3: So abortion was a major campaign issue for the Democrat

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Party and they invested heavily. They didn't really have much

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of a message other than we want to make sure

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you can kill your offspring with the least possible resistance,

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to the point that Kamala Harris was asked, should you

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moderate in any way? For instance, if a doctor or

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nurse does not want to kill another human, should they

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have the conscience rights? And Kamala Harris said, I don't

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even want to talk about hypothetical stuff. There should be

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no moderation on the right to abortion. So she put

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the right to kill your offspring as a much higher right.

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It's not even a right, but she's claiming it is

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than religious freedom, which is the first freedom in the

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US Constitution. So it was interesting that they went all

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in on that and they had actually kind of mixed results.

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You had abortion issues on the ballot. I think in

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ten states, most had a threshold of fifty percent, with

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Florida having a sixty percent threshold. Florida defeated their radical

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abortion constitutional amendment that would have enshrined abortion through all

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nine months of pregnancy, no parental rights, no conscience protections,

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taxpayer funding, just like completely extreme, But so did South

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Dakota and Braska also had initiatives that failed, and then

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other states had passage on it, which is, you know,

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it's a mixed bag, but it's not a great bag

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for people who care about unborn children and women not

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being hurt by abortion.

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Speaker 1: That's a long that's a long fight. It's not going

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to you know, we're in it for the long haul

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with that fight. But I just want to say, I

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do think it's a huge strategic blunder to make the

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election about abortion. I mean people constantly tell me, you

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know that that is you know, Dobbs is killing the

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Republican Party and so on. Well, first of all, Donald

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Trump took a very moderate position unfortunately on abortion anyway. Secondly,

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most at least this is my feeling, is that most

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women who are really you know, put abortion at the

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top of their list of issues already live in places

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where abortion is probably completely legal. Into the ninth month,

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they vote in blue states, people in red states, women

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in red states are more generally conservative and they're fine

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with some limitations on abortion. So if you have a

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direct initiative, a direct democracy initiative, yeah, they might vote

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to expand abortion. But as far as the most important,

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you know, issues in their lives, I'm sure the economy

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and the price of their groceries comes way before, you know, abortion.

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I think it was a huge mistake for them to

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make that the central issue in their campaign. I also

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want to mention that I was very happy to see

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Florida you know, the abortion. I think it was amendment

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for not reaching the threshold. But I have to say

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it is disconcerting the fifty seven percent of people in Florida,

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a very conservative state, though thought it was a good idea,

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and also that direct democracy initiatives are completely un American

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and should not exist at all. This is not how

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we do things in this country. And I hate them.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, agreed, And you see it. It's ludicrous when you're

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having something like amending your constitution to enshrine killing children

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through nine months of pregnancy with no protect like this

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is not something that direct democracy was built for. Not

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that you shouldn't have or that you know this is

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this is a good example of the problems with direct democracy.

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But also it's a good reminder that legislatures need to

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be mindful of where their people are when they're enacting laws.

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Speaker 1: Also, yeah, another kind, if I can bring this up.

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they asked voters, are you worried about democracy or something

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of that nature, like is that a leading an important issue,

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or it's a democracy in a good place or not,

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or it's democracy in danger or not by the other candidate. Whatever.

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It was, more people who voted for Trump were worried

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about the future of democracy than on the blue side,

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which makes complete sense to me because Kamala Harris was

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a completely she was a threat to the constitutional order

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in all kinds of ways that would be with us

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in perpetuity, not Donald Trump. So it is funny that

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their main issue, this democracy thing, actually backfired on. It's

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like when they invented, didn't they invent the fake fake news? Like,

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and then Donald Trump took it and made it his.

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I feel like this is in a way like that

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issue as well.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking if someone asked me what I voted on,

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I don't know if I would say foreign policy or democracy.

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And I don't like that word democracy to describe the

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attacks on the Republic that we're seeing from Democrats right now,

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but it's the closest word of the options that they

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would provide. Right So, if you're concerned about violations of

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speech rights, we are enduring the worst censorship in the

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history of the country right now. So if you care

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about the First Amendment, you're going to vote for Trump.

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If you care about just like the culture of censorship

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that's out there, you're going to vote for Donald Trump.

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If you care about the law fair that was waged

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against Donald Trump and so many hundreds, more than fourteen

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hundred other Republicans, you're going to vote for Donald Trump.

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This was what they tried to do. Bankrupt him, imprison him,

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remove him from the ballot. If you care about democracy,

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you're voting for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Well, can I add to that? Obviously, that's all true.

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I believe that law everything you said, the lawfair, But

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forget you know, he's at least he can get big lawyers.

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He's a powerful man. What about the abortion protester who's

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in jail. What about the school board that are called

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you know, people who are against this COVID authoritarianism or

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are called terrorists by the you know, by by by

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the administration, et cetera. I mean, their their weaponization of

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the Justice Department went after people who can't even defend

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themselves at all. And to me, that is just horrifying.

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And let's not forget the court packing. Let's not forget

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the like you say, not just the censorship, but having

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the VP say that hates speeches and't protected and then

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and then not back off that position, or the destruction

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of the filibuster. There were so many things they wanted

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to do that would have destroyed federalism, that would have

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destroyed overturned thousands of state laws. I mean, they were

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a Democrats are a massive threat to the constitutional order.

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They want to destroy it. So yeah, I mean that

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that made sense to me.

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Speaker 3: This is Mollie Hemingway encouraging you to listen to my

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk about the media's reaction to

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what happened. I don't watch a lot of cable news,

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but I watched, so you know, things are going well

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for Republicans when people start switching over to MSNBC and

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see what's going on from Fox, you know. And I

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did not watch like Joy read for an extended period

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of time ever, And it is the bubble that they

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live in, the things they say, it is completely detached

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from reality. And then it made me think that people

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who watch those channels for their news are also completely

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detached from reality, and that's why they react and the

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way they do when they lose an election. They just

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can't process the people, how other people think, or why

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they think that way. And instead of talking about, you know,

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the idea like maybe we shouldn't call Republicans Nazis because

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it doesn't really work and it's not really true, instead

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the discussion was like, why are these people all voting

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for Nazis? Like they still can't get it through their

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heads why they lose and it is it's pretty incredible.

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I don't think it's going to be fixed. Anytime soon.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I think this is a big agenda item

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for the next four years. So I don't watch television news,

476
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which is funny because I work in television news. But

477
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unless I'm in makeup, like right before a show, I

478
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,240
don't really watch it. It's just hard for me to

479
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,240
get my news and information that way. And while I

480
00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,400
was on Fox earlier in the day for Outnumbered up

481
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,200
in New York, I flew home and was not on

482
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,440
Fox last night, so I was getting most of my

483
00:26:07,519 --> 00:26:09,880
news from Twitter, which I just find it'd be a

484
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,599
much more efficient and if you follow the right people,

485
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,319
you kind of know what's going on in each state.

486
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,920
And in a way, I find television news to be

487
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,279
too slow for the information that I want to get.

488
00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:23,319
So that served me really well throughout the night. And

489
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then in the wee hours, I did turn on MSNBC

490
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and CNN, and I made it over to Fox around

491
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:33,559
two thirty or something. Was the first time I saw them.

492
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So I do want to say Steve Cornaki on MSNBC

493
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,920
is fantastic. He was doing the kind of number crunching

494
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:45,599
that I wanted to see you know, he would dive

495
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,920
deep into Okay, this county, here's what the Kamala Harris

496
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,640
team needed, here's.

497
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: What they got.

498
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: And he would do that over and over and over

499
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again throughout all the different swing states.

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Speaker 1: And it was can I say something, those guys who

501
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,960
like touched the screen and do all the counties and stuff.

502
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,319
I think they're great on all three networks, honest, on

503
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,880
all of the three news networks, Like they do a

504
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,079
really good job, and they're the most informative and most

505
00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:13,160
effective people on these channels. I think, Yeah, I.

506
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Speaker 3: Am not a typical TV watcher. Obviously I don't do it.

507
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,680
But if I in my world, it would just be

508
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,240
that it would be very little analysis and more of

509
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:26,160
the type where you say, oh maybe people don't like

510
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,200
being gold racist, and more of just the numbers and stuff.

511
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,000
But it was weird to go from that with Steve

512
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:38,440
Kornaki being so helpful and informative and unbiased and just

513
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,119
like a normal human being, and then you would cut

514
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,440
to these panels that would be various shades of far left,

515
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:49,680
all trying to figure out what was going on, and

516
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,119
they had a big barrier of seemingly never having spoken

517
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,359
to a Republican in their entire lives, which was weird

518
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,799
because one of them was like the former Republican chairman

519
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,680
who became a Democrat like twenty years ago, Michael Steele,

520
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,759
and I honestly feel they could have just improved so

521
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,400
much had they met a single Republican voter, much less

522
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,400
the one hundreds or thousands that they should meet in

523
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,039
order to do political punditry.

524
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Speaker 1: It's crazy that they don't have any Trump supporter on

525
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,720
these stations. I mean, CNN has one, but MSNBC doesn't.

526
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,640
They bring in all these former conservatives such a grift,

527
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,680
but anyway, they do not. And I am fine if

528
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,240
you know, you want to have someone who, you know,

529
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,920
some conservatives, doesn't like Trump, whatever, But if you don't

530
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,279
have a Trump supporter, then your viewers are not getting

531
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,480
They're just not getting not a full picture. They're not

532
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,000
getting any picture. You're in a bubble.

533
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,039
Speaker 3: So yeah, so we're talking about having people who represent

534
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:52,119
a majority of the country at this point, right, So

535
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,119
Donald Trump won a majority of votes of people who voted,

536
00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:02,119
and MSNBC literally has zero row people representing that. They

537
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,440
have various shades of extremism on the other side, not

538
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:07,599
even like a normal Democrat.

539
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:08,599
Speaker 2: You're just still kind of like crazy.

540
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,319
Speaker 3: And then CNN has maybe one or two. So CNN

541
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,000
has that one guy who's fantastic, Scott Jennings, and then

542
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,400
there's a guy David something so bad with names, who

543
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,880
I kind of thought might have been a Trump supporter.

544
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,400
And then they have people who are like literally Jonah Goldberg,

545
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:33,640
you know, someone who's consumed with hatred for Donald Trump,

546
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,839
and that motivates everything he's going to say. I want

547
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,759
to say something on that. I was so rude to

548
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,400
him recently because he was saying that he didn't believe

549
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,400
Jade Vance protected his family when Donald Trump got shot,

550
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,480
and I was saying something like, you're not, like, you

551
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,640
don't understand how real men react to threats to their family.

552
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,519
And then I had a couple more things that were

553
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:04,720
really rude, and then he was so rude back to me,

554
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,279
like really really like over the top, and I was like, gosh,

555
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,160
why is he being so rude? And then I realized, oh,

556
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,559
I really kind of have destroyed him over the last

557
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,119
several years, and I realized that it was a bit

558
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,680
of punching down, and so I just was thinking, Molly,

559
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:26,720
these never Trump people. They simply do not matter anymore.

560
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,240
Like I won and they lost, and I can just

561
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:32,839
like move on and I don't need to keep fighting

562
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,440
that battle.

563
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: Sorry you, and you you were rude to me. Yesterday

564
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,240
I was online. I made a completely innocuous statement. I said,

565
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,839
everyone's saying this is the biggest comeback ever in politicalist

566
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,640
and I said, that may be so. I literally said

567
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,000
that may be so. But let's not forget Nixon also

568
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,559
had this great come back in sixty eight. Let's not

569
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,559
forget that one is a pretty big one too. And boy,

570
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,680
you you sicked your minions on me. I had to

571
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,240
deal I had to deal with like hundreds of people. Listen,

572
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,480
it's okay to to say that someone did something good

573
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:11,599
other than Donald Trump occasionally now getting dunked on by

574
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,839
a million people.

575
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Speaker 3: Were a fan of Nixon history. It's just that he

576
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,559
was not. He didn't go through any of the things

577
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:20,279
that Trump went.

578
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: But not to labor this, but I think that the

579
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,960
bad things happened Trump, and they are horrible. Someone trying

580
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,200
to kill you is a horrible things, I know. But

581
00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,960
all those things kind of helped him become almost a

582
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,880
folk hero to a lot of people. Where Nixon was

583
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,119
left for dead after losing California gaventorial race his own

584
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,960
party rejected, and whereas Trump was never rejected by the

585
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,039
Republican Party voters. So, but that's not important. I was

586
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,279
just trying to make some historical parallels. Just jumped down

587
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,599
my throat. Relax, I'd like to.

588
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: I'm feeling very.

589
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,559
Speaker 3: Sinfully proud of all of my commentary from the last

590
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:02,759
eight years, in part because it was so difficult to

591
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:06,440
say it in a sea of opposition. But when they

592
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,880
went after Trump with law fair, even in the darkest days,

593
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,960
I would always say publicly and on live national television,

594
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:16,160
this is going to help him, you know, in the

595
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,599
moment when everyone was like, oh, it's over, blah blah blah.

596
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,759
And I feel very vindicated about that.

597
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,279
Speaker 1: It seems like a million years ago that happened, and

598
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:29,359
it was only like months ago, you know, but they

599
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:32,680
were all those cases were so weak and so transplant

600
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,240
apparently political. I definitely think it helped him. And the

601
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,519
assassination attempts they're horrifying, Honestly, the violence is really horrifying,

602
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,240
and I'm worried that it's not going to end here.

603
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,400
But that also helped him in a way that I

604
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,799
think that moment where he put up his fist that

605
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,000
probably won him the election. I don't know, you know,

606
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,160
that was a moment where everyone was like, man, they're

607
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,359
trying to kill this dude, you know, and he didn't

608
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,440
run away. And the way he said fight, fight, fight,

609
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:03,480
I mean, you don't have to like the guy to

610
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:06,400
just admit that that's pretty awesome and that's an awesome

611
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,079
moment in American history.

612
00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: Well, you think about what Barack Obama said about how

613
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:14,279
Donald Trump only cares about himself, and that has been

614
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:17,519
a common refrain from people who don't understand Donald Trump

615
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:20,240
for a long time. But in that moment he just

616
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,680
exploded that. It was like, oh my gosh, he's doing

617
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,880
this at great personal sacrifice, including threats to his very life.

618
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,519
Stop saying he only cares about himself. On the stage

619
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:37,559
last night, Dana White was highlighting how much the family

620
00:33:37,799 --> 00:33:42,359
had suffered for what Donald Trump has accomplished here, and

621
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:42,880
I think.

622
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: It was worth it.

623
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: I mean, people should be pointing this out that what

624
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,799
the left has done to Donald Trump and other Republicans

625
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,839
is really it's really awful and it needs to be rejected.

626
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,720
Oh On that note, I think one thing that's important

627
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,400
about this victory and that it came after all of

628
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,079
this stuff that was thrown at Donald Trump, and that

629
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,640
it was such a decisive victory, is that one of

630
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,400
the big problems in the country sort of like many

631
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,760
of the big problems in the country, started in twenty

632
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,000
sixteen when the media and other Democrats refused to accept

633
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:23,400
the legitimacy of Donald Trump's first election to office. And

634
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,519
they had maybe like a few hours of soul searching

635
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,000
where they said, oh, maybe we didn't really understand the

636
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:31,599
electorate or what motivated them, and then they said, nope,

637
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,079
it was that Donald Trump colluded with Russia to steal

638
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:39,239
the election. And that launched everything. It launched the Molar probe,

639
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,039
it launched the resistance in every single federal agency. It

640
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:46,480
gave excuses for the media to publish a bunch of

641
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,480
anonymous sources that were wrong, that were liars. And now

642
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,880
they simply have to accept the legitimacy of this election.

643
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,000
I'm not saying that they will. I'm saying they need

644
00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:00,440
to be made to accept the legitimacy of this election.

645
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,280
Every regime figure has to respect this, and if they

646
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,360
don't they need to be dealt with forcefully.

647
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: I saw Jonathan Chate, you know, a big figure in

648
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:17,000
the Russia collusion stuff, conspiracy theory, talking about this election

649
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:21,039
and basically conceding that it is over, and I congratulated

650
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,400
him on this is I think the first election he's

651
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:27,880
in his career that he's ever admitted that the GOP

652
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,800
had legitimately won two thousand and oh twenty sixteen. No,

653
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,639
I agree with you. I think this one is too

654
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:41,760
big for there to be another Russia collusion hoax. And

655
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,960
even if there were, the media no longer is believed

656
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,119
at all, and no one would even believe them if

657
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:49,480
it were true, which it wouldn't be. Of course.

658
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,079
Speaker 3: One of the things that makes me optimistic. I was

659
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:56,199
actually talking to my kid about this, how people in

660
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,599
DC they end up getting so wrapped up into continuing

661
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,880
their job that they don't solve the problems that they

662
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,239
set out to solve. You know, they if they were

663
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,960
to solve it, then they wouldn't be able to make

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00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,440
a living. And I said, I think we really have

665
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,639
a unique opportunity in the next few years. You know,

666
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:20,000
I've been doing media criticism for decades, and I think

667
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,000
we have an opportunity to truly destroy the corrupt propaganda

668
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:25,880
press in the next four years. I'm not saying it

669
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,360
will happen. I'm just saying I could see it happening,

670
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,000
and if that happens, I've kind of written myself out

671
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,440
of a job, and it would be the most joyous

672
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,480
writing out of a job in history. I would love

673
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,440
to not need to do media criticism anymore, like I

674
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,119
dream of it. But I really think we have this opportunity.

675
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,159
They were so bad this cycle you thought they could

676
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:51,360
not get any worse. They had every reason to change,

677
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,079
and nothing changed. Like the best you can say about

678
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:57,800
it is that two billionaire owners of two big papers

679
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:03,079
declined to endorse. That's the full extent of the remorse

680
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,400
we've seen from corporate media about their lies and their

681
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,719
propaganda and their deception and their complete ridiculous manipulation of

682
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,199
the truth. And the cool thing is, they lost, but

683
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,639
they it's not sufficient that they lose and then they

684
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:18,920
get to moderate.

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00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: The next debate.

686
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,679
Speaker 3: It's not sufficient that they lost this election and they

687
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,039
still get to set the terms of the debate. We

688
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,760
need to think through how to truly destroy them, how

689
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,960
they need to be not listened to, not followed. I

690
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,599
think we actually have to build and develop a strategy

691
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:39,920
and game plan. They're destroying the country, and it's great

692
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,440
that they lost this battle, just like they lost the

693
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,920
twenty sixteen battle. But it's a big war and they

694
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,920
need to be dealt with much more decisively.

695
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: Skeptical things will change, so I will say this, and

696
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,679
we've disagreed before. Part of their destruction in this cycle

697
00:37:57,519 --> 00:37:59,920
I think was Jdvan's going on these shows and dunking

698
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:04,039
on the reporters of this kind of media. I believe

699
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:06,880
that many people who watch did not even could not

700
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,480
even understand what the other side was doing, and he,

701
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,920
because he was on there and he was effective and

702
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,559
he's smart, kind of dunk on them. Now I agree

703
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:19,360
with you in general, but I don't think things will change,

704
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,320
and I don't think they'll be destroyed. They'll become a

705
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,880
niche market for the left wing of America continuing. Remember,

706
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,320
for like a day or two, there's going to be

707
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,480
a reckoning over the Russia collusion thing. I remember this

708
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:31,199
big story in Axios. Not a single person paid a

709
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:35,199
price for it. Nothing changed. The owner of a newspaper

710
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,880
doesn't endorse, but the entire paper is filled not just

711
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,280
with hardcore leftists, pro Hamas people. There are at least

712
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,239
four people at that paper who hate America with you know,

713
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:48,519
and a pro terrorists. I mean, that's not going to

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change overnight. The support staff, the editors, all those people

715
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are are complete nuts.

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Speaker 2: Let me say there are two things though here.

717
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Speaker 3: One is there's a difference between being one out of

718
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literally thousands of elected Republicans who can actually fight the

719
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corporate media, which is what you have with Jdvans and

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Donald Trump talked about that last night. He said he

721
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was the only guy who's ever relished taking on the media.

722
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And it's great that Jdvance, one out of thousands of Republicans,

723
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,920
holds his own in these debates with left wing propaganda press.

724
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There are thousands who don't. And also even the best

725
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JD is still operating on their terms of debate.

726
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Speaker 2: He has to.

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Speaker 3: I think about this all the time because I have

728
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to do it on TV. You have to deal with

729
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,400
their falsehood and you have to spend some time doing

730
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that just to get to the part where you can

731
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advocate for your own views.

732
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Speaker 2: What if we had a media that.

733
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Speaker 3: Didn't make you dig out of a ditch for five

734
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minutes before you could talk about what was motivating the country.

735
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What if we had a media that talked deeply about

736
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energy policy or trade policy, and did it in a

737
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way that was fair so that people could just have

738
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discussions about the best ways to approach foreign policy. They

739
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set the terms of the debate so clearly and so fully,

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And I want to also explain a little bit about why.

741
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Speaker 2: So.

742
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Speaker 3: I've worked for a few large media corporations, and when

743
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you do that, you go through defamation training, defamation law training.

744
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And one of the defenses that you can have in

745
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:22,159
a defamation lawsuit is if you were saying something false

746
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:24,679
but it came from the New York Times or Washington Post,

747
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,519
that's a defense. It's not a defense if you say

748
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:34,519
something false but it came from a less left wing publication.

749
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The courts tend to view the New York Times and

750
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the Washington Post as legitimate and other places as illegitimate.

751
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:46,199
This creates such an unfair system where if the New

752
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,239
York Times and the Washington Post claimed that Donald Trump

753
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,280
stole the twenty sixteen election by colluding with Russia, you

754
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,880
can talk about that all day long, all night long,

755
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:59,880
for years on end. But if some other media out

756
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,800
that says, I think something hinky happened with the Get

757
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,239
out the Vote operations in Philadelphia, and you say that,

758
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,880
even if it's one hundred percent true, you are at

759
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,400
risk for a defamation lesson. So the power they have

760
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:18,000
isn't just in what they're publishing and what their own

761
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:21,199
readers or own viewers are saying. It's in the fact

762
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that they can dramatically supersize it in a way that

763
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other media outlets can't. Combine that with a massive censorship

764
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industrial complex, where outlets like New York Times and Washington

765
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,880
Post they can lie about COVID, they can lie about Israel,

766
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,719
they can lie about Russia, they can lie about Brett Kavanaugh.

767
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,880
They can literally create out of thin air a rape

768
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,239
hox against a Supreme Court justice and it goes global right.

769
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,000
They can do the George Floyd stuff, they can do

770
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,760
the Covington stuff, and they get a perfect one hundred

771
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,800
percent rating from the censorship industrial complex. And if you

772
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,280
debunk those things, you get a third And then that

773
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,599
affects how much you'll be shared on Facebook sensors one

774
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:07,519
and they amplify the other, and Google sensors one and

775
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:10,559
they amplify the other. So it's not sufficient to just say, oh,

776
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:14,960
the media lost. They need to be destroyed. They're destroying

777
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,840
the country, They're destroying the terms of debate, and I

778
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,119
think there's a rare opportunity here to take them out.

779
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,159
And I also think that means that we should be

780
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:25,880
praising Elon Musk right now. If he had not purchased

781
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,000
Twitter and turned it into X, a free speech platform,

782
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,679
this election might have gone dramatically differently. I mean, he

783
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,440
also is getting praise for putting his own name and

784
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,119
reputation and money on the line in Pennsylvania. He deserves

785
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,880
a lot of credit for that too, But the free

786
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speech issue, it might have saved the country.

787
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in many ways a hero. I don't like

788
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,559
everything he does and says, but the very fact that

789
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:54,679
he believes in the neutral principle of free expression for everyone.

790
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,480
People attack him on Twitter, I always laugh. He's letting

791
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:00,000
you say what you want about him on that platform.

792
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,800
Shouldn't that Doesn't that mean that he really cares about

793
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,559
free speech? I think. I think what he did with

794
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,800
X is amazing. I wish I wish that he would

795
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,639
also invest and maybe he is in journalism and journalistic

796
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,679
institutions that are real on the right, because I think

797
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,320
that's one of the biggest problems the right has. There's

798
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not enough money for some deep journalism to agree with that.

799
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

800
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Speaker 3: I was going to say thank you and please donate

801
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to the Federalist I believe it's Federalist dot com slash donate.

802
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,800
On that note, I would like to give some praise

803
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,719
to the staff on this issue. I was thinking about

804
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,760
this graph that's going around that shows Democrats in twenty twelve,

805
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twenty sixteen, and twenty twenty four.

806
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Speaker 2: Had a pretty stable vote tally, and.

807
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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty it was dramatically higher, and Republicans, by contrast,

808
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kind of had steady growth with a dramatically higher not dramatic,

809
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:57,280
like a less dramatic increase in twenty twenty. And people

810
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,719
are like, what is going on here? And I am

811
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so happy to see the entire theory of my book

812
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,920
in one graph, Rigged, which was about the twenty twenty

813
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,239
election and about how hundreds of laws and processes were

814
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,960
changed to sort of unnaturally increase the vote totals in

815
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Democrat strongholds in swing states, and I go through it

816
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,960
in the book in detail, and it was a deeply reported,

817
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,480
deeply researched look very quickly after the election about what

818
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,760
actually happened in Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, in Georgia. And there

819
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are no conspiracy theories in the entire book. It's all

820
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:38,239
about what actually happened, and it explains what happened and

821
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,280
also explains how you could have such a different result

822
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here in twenty twenty four, from that reporting, we built

823
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:47,320
out a reporting team at the Federalists with reporters on

824
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:55,679
the ground in covering swing states Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania,

825
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:01,199
and we tenaciously looked at how election were being administered there,

826
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what was going on, and our reporting. We were just

827
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nominated for a Now Journalism Prize, which is a really

828
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impressive prize that I hope we win here next week.

829
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Our team is just incredible, just wonderful investigative reporters. They

830
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:19,760
got on the ground, they interviewed the sources, and they

831
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had a really good handle of what was happening, not

832
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,599
just defensively in terms of improving laws and processes for

833
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:33,440
election integrity, but on the ground challenges and also what

834
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was happening with ballot chase, And I think ballot chase

835
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is the undercovered story of this election. The Trump campaign

836
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,239
in RNC outsourced it to third party groups and you have,

837
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,639
I forget all their names, just like some American Various

838
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:50,639
America packs, you know, ned Ryan had one that was

839
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handling a lot of Wisconsin and Nevada, huge wins there.

840
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,400
Sentinel was handling Montana and Pennsylvania, huge wins there. Charlie

841
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,840
Kirk Arizona, I think that's well. I think we'll have

842
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,000
to wait what two weeks for the idiots there to

843
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:09,840
get the vote total. But if you followed our reporting,

844
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you understood what was going on, and pretty much we

845
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,920
had the field to ourselves. Nobody else was covering it.

846
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Nobody else got the story about twenty twenty like we

847
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,119
did with Rigged. And I'm just very very happy. It

848
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:25,559
was very hard to write that, very hard to publish that.

849
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I faced a lot of professional punishment, I guess you'd say,

850
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for writing a book about the twenty twenty election being

851
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a problem, and I am just so happy about how

852
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it turned out.

853
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Speaker 1: Congratulations, it's a great book.

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Speaker 1: How did you feel about this election as far as

877
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as far as ballot you know, security, as far as

878
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all the issues that were a problem. Then did they

879
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get better in most states?

880
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Speaker 3: Are so one of the challenges is that things got

881
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better in red states, they did not necessarily get better

882
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,280
in blue states. I saw I haven't checked this out yet,

883
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but I saw a tweet saying that every state that

884
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does not require voter ID went to Kamala. I don't

885
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think that's true because I don't think Pennsylvania requires voter

886
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,159
ID and it did not go for Kamala. But there

887
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are ongoing issues, even the fact that, like I just said,

888
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Arizona is not going to know the results for whoever

889
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knows how long.

890
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Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.

891
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Speaker 3: Florida put a lot of work into election integrity after

892
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the two thousand election disaster, and every year they've worked

893
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to improve it, including in the last few years. You know,

894
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,280
Rohndescantis signed a bill that actually puts teeth behind fighting

895
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election fraud, actually set up an office to go after

896
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people who commit election fraud. You know, just having the

897
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,519
office makes it less likely that you're going to do it.

898
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It's just saying we're serious about this. And they also

899
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tallied their results within an hour. And it's however, I mean,

900
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how many millions of people live in Florida. It's a

901
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massive state.

902
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Speaker 1: I mean, every stage should be following Florida's lead. It

903
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:25,199
seems to me, you know, I don't understand. I mean

904
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I do understand why, but.

905
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Speaker 3: And the point is it took them twenty four years

906
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to get to where they are right now. So it's

907
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not something where you just pass a law like Georgia

908
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:36,840
passed a law to slightly improve their elections. Georgia has

909
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,960
a long way to go, but they've made a start

910
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and Texas has made a start. But every state should

911
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,039
just be constantly thinking about election integrity issues and how

912
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to improve the situation. And these long delays on vote

913
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tallies are not befitting a great country like ours.

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Speaker 1: Two things on what you just said. One is, let's

915
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talk about Florida for a second. I don't know if

916
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people realize that since Ron de Santis has taken you know,

917
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has been governor of Florida, he's completely that state has transformed.

918
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Obama won that state in twenty twelve, Ron DeSantis barely

919
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won in twenty eighteen, and now it was Donald Trump

920
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:24,960
came closer to winning New York, then Kamala Harris came

921
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to winning Florida. That's how red Florida is. It is

922
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,039
a destination state for hundreds of thousands of people. Is

923
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It's an amazing transformation of that state, which was always

924
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like the you know, swing state to watch. You know

925
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that in Ohio also has obviously turned Republican, so that

926
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is kind of an amazing thing. And second, with the

927
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counting of votes in California, they take forever as well.

928
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In these House races, do we know? Do we know

929
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,840
Republicans right now? I think they're ahead, but I'm not

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00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,760
sure that that stands what's going to happen there.

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Speaker 3: That is one of those situations where we legitimately won't

932
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know for a while. But Republicans were very worried they

933
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:06,599
were going to lose the House, and they had some

934
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:10,719
early losses in New York and even Alabama. The courts

935
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:17,719
created a district for Democrats down there. So late last night,

936
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the Republicans who I was speaking with started to feel

937
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much more optimistic about keeping the House.

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Speaker 1: So but I don't know.

939
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know the fint it's going to

940
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be narrow.

941
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Speaker 3: But even just having control means that instead of Hakeem

942
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:36,760
Jeffries spewing his hate and being able to launch another impeachment,

943
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,519
you know, he'll have to wait a couple of years

944
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until Republicans the House.

945
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's another election in two years. You know,

946
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,440
people is just just a continuum and constantly going on.

947
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,079
There is no you know, people act like they won. Yeah,

948
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you won, but it becomes very difficult very quickly. Though

949
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I am, as you know, somewhat critical of Donald Trump,

950
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I am extremely happy, hopefully, and I hope this happens,

951
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that the Republicans won the Senate and that the judicial

952
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:11,480
system will hopefully be again restocked with many constitutionalists and originalists.

953
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,639
Hopefully he has a list handy from some Federalist Society,

954
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:20,719
secret Federalist Society person who will have the youngest, most fit,

955
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:25,119
zealous originalists waiting to be on the court if need be.

956
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

957
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 3: Well, this is an issue though, because unfortunately a lot

958
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,039
of the conservative legal movement was kind of a wall

959
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,239
for the last four years as rule of law was

960
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,840
destroyed in this country, and I don't know what that

961
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,679
means for who Trump is going to listen to about.

962
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,440
And in the book I wrote with Carrie Sebreno, we

963
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,360
showed how the list that was a big part of

964
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,639
Donald Trump's success with Supreme Court justice nominations was not

965
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,119
I mean, yes, it's true the Federalist Society and Leonard

966
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:57,679
Leo participated in that, but it was not their list.

967
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,760
It was originally designed by Don McKee and the first

968
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,079
General Counsel for the Trump administration and had input from,

969
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:08,559
you know, lots of other people. So I think the

970
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,559
people who maybe did something in the last few years

971
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:13,920
when it came to the attacks on rule of law

972
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,920
and these horrific attacks on Republican election lawyers who have

973
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:24,840
been disbarred or faced crippling legal battles, people who did

974
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,119
anything for the j six protesters who were so over

975
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:35,199
prosecuted and over convicted, I think those people have more

976
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,840
of Trump's s hear for when it comes to nominations. Yeah.

977
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: Two more topics that just hit me. One is that

978
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,559
we didn't even mention is immigration and the border. I

979
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:48,639
think that that has always I don't think polls properly

980
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:54,840
reflect how people are. Just I think a poor the lawlessness,

981
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,760
the anarchy of it, you know, setting aside, you know,

982
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:03,440
other problems in cities that are overwhelmed with newcomers and

983
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,239
stuff like that. I think that that's always a dry

984
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,559
I thought that one twenty sixteen election for Donald Trump.

985
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:11,320
I don't think that won him this election. I think

986
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,320
it was more about the economy, but I think that

987
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,480
was still a big part of it, and people underestimate

988
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:20,440
how important it is. Even if you're pro immigrantgration, which

989
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,280
I am, that you want a legal you know, you

990
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,920
want law, you want order, you want assimilation, you want

991
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,280
things to work to help and benefit the United States.

992
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:34,880
However many people you want coming in legally and the

993
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,039
other thing, I don't know if you have anything to

994
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:38,559
add to that, or do you want to talk about

995
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:38,960
that at all.

996
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 3: Just one of the things that really hurts me about

997
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:47,519
how evil our corrupt propaganda press is is how they

998
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:52,519
characterize people optimistically hoping for change on this issue of

999
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:55,239
the border or the economy. So they listen to Donald

1000
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,519
Trump saying I'll fix these things that are destroying your lives,

1001
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,719
and they go That makes me feel good and I'm

1002
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,480
going to vote for that person. And then these lying

1003
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,159
liars at the New York Times and NBC and all

1004
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:11,000
these other outlets, they say dark and dystopic message from

1005
00:55:11,079 --> 00:55:15,880
Trump sways Americans. It's like, screw you, you know, having

1006
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,159
a country where you feel like your children aren't going

1007
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:22,039
to be raped by the people that bad, like leaders

1008
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:24,960
of other countries let go from their prisons so that

1009
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,239
they could cross the border because it's so easy.

1010
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,599
Speaker 2: That doesn't you know it.

1011
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: Is a very hopeful thing to think, like, oh, I

1012
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:33,599
might be able to protect my children from all of

1013
00:55:33,639 --> 00:55:36,679
this insanity, or even like you know, having daughters who

1014
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,920
play sports and you don't want them to have to

1015
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,199
play against men. That's dark. I mean, the thing that's

1016
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,800
happening is dark. The optimism you feel about it's One

1017
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,079
of my family members said that, So this was before

1018
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,559
this was last night, before Trump was declared a victor.

1019
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:55,159
But he said, I think, you know, if Trump wins,

1020
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:58,480
I'm going to move to America. This person lives in America.

1021
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:01,480
But he was saying we He's like, I miss America.

1022
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:05,360
I miss how great this country was, and I want

1023
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:07,800
it to happen again. And I think you know, if

1024
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,360
Trump is elected, I'm going to move to America. And

1025
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,360
he just meant like we might have a shot at

1026
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,679
preserving this great country.

1027
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,199
Speaker 1: I do think that Donald Trump pulls a big part

1028
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,239
of the normy vote, the normy suburban vote. I think,

1029
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:23,960
like white suburban women. He won them despite you know,

1030
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:27,320
all this stuff about him being anti woman. And remember

1031
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,480
these ads right at the end about how women have

1032
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:31,760
to sneak into the voting booth and lie to their

1033
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,559
husbands about like this is such a demented view of

1034
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:37,159
marriage and demented view of conservatives and the demented view

1035
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:39,920
of men. Right, they clearly hate men.

1036
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:45,079
Speaker 3: They were basically saying, your husbands are toxic abusers. And

1037
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,079
by the way, totally doesn't match with my experience where

1038
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:51,280
in twenty sixteen I asked Mark to vote for Donald Trump,

1039
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,320
told him he didn't have to tell me, he just

1040
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,840
should do the right thing. He went and voted, came

1041
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,880
home and loudly announced that he had voted for Evan mcmaffin.

1042
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:03,159
So the idea that I would have to hide, you know,

1043
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:06,480
hide my Columblan vote from him, it just doesn't match.

1044
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:10,079
Speaker 1: One of the other the other things I thought was

1045
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:13,239
interesting on this immigration issue is that like Latino vote

1046
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,239
is obviously trending towards Republicans, and I just from personal

1047
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:21,039
experience with my own immigrant parents, immigrants do not like

1048
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,480
when who come here legally and follow the process and

1049
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:28,039
do things correctly. Do not like when other people do

1050
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:31,719
not follow that same path. The idea that Latinos are

1051
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,280
all offended because you don't want illegal immigration is insane.

1052
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,920
First of all, Hispanic people are not just one group.

1053
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,679
They come from many different countries. There's many different traditions

1054
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:48,159
and cultures and ideas people are not so I was

1055
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:50,519
thinking about this as well. The nice thing about this

1056
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:54,320
election that I liked is that it was much more individualized, like,

1057
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,000
it was much more diverse. Trump has a much more

1058
00:57:57,039 --> 00:58:00,840
diverse coalition than the usual and I think that's good

1059
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,239
for America because people should not be voting because of

1060
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,519
their skin color a certain way, or because even you know,

1061
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,239
or because of their ethnicity. They should do it on

1062
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,360
an individual basis. So and the last thing on the

1063
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,400
immigration thing also is that I'm a big proponent of immigration,

1064
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,440
and illegal immigration hurts my position more than anything because

1065
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,159
it turns people off to the very idea of others

1066
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:22,400
coming here, and there is a movement within the right

1067
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,559
that is becoming more right skeptical of immigration as a whole.

1068
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:29,280
And I don't think that that's good for America. But

1069
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,760
I understand why it's happening so right, I don't know.

1070
00:58:33,239 --> 00:58:34,840
I'm so tired. I don't know what I'm talking about.

1071
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,400
One last thing, oh you hear is Taylor Swift Cardibi.

1072
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,800
Can you believe that did not move the election to

1073
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:45,840
Kamala I When will they learn that celebrity endorsements do

1074
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,840
not matter? I don't think they matter. I don't think

1075
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,000
people listen to them.

1076
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: Different idea about that, which is I do think celebrity

1077
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:58,000
endorsements can mean something, but our understanding of Like to me,

1078
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:03,000
I would absolutely pay attention to Taylor Swift and Cardi

1079
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:07,960
b On like a skin cream endorsement. If they were

1080
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:10,119
like this changed my life, I'd be like, those are

1081
00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:13,519
beautiful women. I will try out that skin cream. If

1082
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,199
Taylor Swift and Cardi ber are like this is a

1083
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:19,000
good politician, it almost works the opposite for me. I'm like, well,

1084
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:21,880
no offense to these women. And I know they're impressive

1085
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,159
in their careers, but they seem to have bad judgment

1086
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,599
in that area, j Lo bad judgment. So it almost

1087
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:30,840
works the opposite. Like my neighbor. I had a neighbor,

1088
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,119
unfortunately he died, and he was such a loyal Democrat

1089
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:36,880
that I would just look at his signs and then

1090
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:40,400
write it down and vote against the people for the

1091
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,679
local races like school board and city council. I was like,

1092
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:47,320
always love this neighbor, but if he is for these people,

1093
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:48,559
they need to be voted out.

1094
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: The only celebrity endorsement that matters was Haul Cogan's Let's

1095
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:52,920
be honest.

1096
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:56,559
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's not but I wasn't thinking Hulk. But

1097
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,079
I do think, and this is going to put you

1098
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:04,559
into apoplex dick rage. When RFK Junior endorsed Trump, I

1099
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:07,960
don't think that he had enough votes to really matter,

1100
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:10,199
although maybe maybe he did in some of these states.

1101
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:13,159
I was even noticing he got more votes than Jill

1102
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:17,800
Stein in some state. You know, he's not even really eligible.

1103
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,199
Speaker 1: And I think these are disaffected people voting because the politics.

1104
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:24,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, it just like opened up the window of

1105
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,599
possibility where people were thinking, wait a minute, RFK Junior,

1106
01:00:28,639 --> 01:00:31,039
And you know, you have tons of a variety of

1107
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:34,159
viewpoints about him out there, But it just kind of

1108
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:37,719
showed that something different was happening. When Elon Musk went

1109
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:41,360
all in on Trump and so did some other like

1110
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,679
billionaire tech bro types. They didn't just endorse him, they

1111
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,119
just went all in and made the case. People like

1112
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:52,360
David Sachs, I think that those are that like an

1113
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,920
Elon is a celebrity of a different type. Also, I

1114
01:00:56,039 --> 01:01:00,440
personally have friends personally who voted for Trump because of Elon.

1115
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,239
These are people who voted for Biden, and they feel

1116
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,320
so strongly about free speech and his fight for free

1117
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,119
speech that it moved them. And so in the celebrity

1118
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:14,800
kind of diminishes Elon Musk. He's just such a transformative figure.

1119
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:17,400
It's kind of guy that makes you feel happy to

1120
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,800
be alive at the same time as he's alive on earth.

1121
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,320
And some people hate him. I get that, but I

1122
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,840
think most normal people say I find him worth listening

1123
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,119
to about things.

1124
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,639
Speaker 1: I think people underestimate as well how bad Biden was

1125
01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:37,000
for the economy. The moment that he killed the presidency

1126
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:40,119
and lost and Kamala lost was the moment that they cramped.

1127
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,840
They idiotically cramped through this massive spending bill that you know,

1128
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:50,880
sparked inflation. More than that, Kamala had insane economic ideas

1129
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,079
like taxing unrealized capital gains. This would destroy the country.

1130
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:56,719
All these investors. There's not an investor on earth who

1131
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,119
thinks that's a good idea. Right, you can't underestimate and

1132
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:01,840
people will probably You see what happened with the stock

1133
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,920
market this morning. It went, you know, it likes Donald

1134
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,280
Trump for a reason. And so I mean, I obviously

1135
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,039
they're not going to like Taris and stuff like that,

1136
01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:14,199
but you know, Amel is even nuttier. So I think

1137
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:17,360
that's maybe why a lot of the tech bros. I'm

1138
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:18,840
not saying it's the only reason, but I think a

1139
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,639
lot of them care about that as well. Do you uh?

1140
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,199
I think that is that it? Do you want to

1141
01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:25,559
talk about more? Okay? Do you want to talk about culture?

1142
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:28,440
Do we should we even bother talking about culture? Doesn't

1143
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:29,960
even care about culture?

1144
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 4: All right?

1145
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: I have a few things, do you do? Not totally?

1146
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:35,119
Speaker 2: Okay?

1147
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 3: So I have become a Joe Rogan listener in the

1148
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:39,559
last ten days.

1149
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:42,079
Speaker 1: So, by the way, this RFK thing, we're going to

1150
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:43,679
talk about this because I.

1151
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 3: Look forward to it because I am and I'm not.

1152
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,159
I am surprised by how much that make America Healthy

1153
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:54,320
again message resonated with me and my friends. But I

1154
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,320
don't know if I disagree with you on his kookiness

1155
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,000
on a lot of stuff. So we can talk about

1156
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:01,920
that later. But I think we see what he's doing

1157
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:08,679
before we can discuss it. So, Joe Rogan, I watched

1158
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,119
the Trump interview, I did the Vance interview, I did

1159
01:03:12,119 --> 01:03:16,519
the Elon Musk interview. It's like nine hours total, I think,

1160
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,800
And I usually only watched things while I'm rowing, and

1161
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,840
so I figured out how to make I figured out

1162
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,400
how to make that work while I'm rowing. So this

1163
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:28,280
luddite is getting better. And then the only other thing

1164
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,519
is that a long time ago, a listener had recommended

1165
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:34,679
The Diplomat with Carrie Russell and said she thought I would.

1166
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,519
Speaker 2: Like it, and that is true. I like it.

1167
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: Really.

1168
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 3: It's a little raunchy, like I can't I'm you know,

1169
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,320
there's some spicy scenes and stuff and some bad language,

1170
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:46,960
but I am enjoying it.

1171
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: While I row interesting, I watched a few movies. I

1172
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,320
watched Lifeboat. It's an earlier Alfred Hitchcock movie about these

1173
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,960
people stuck on a lifeboat. After their Did you do that?

1174
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 3: Because it was mentioned in Only Murders in the Building?

1175
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,559
Speaker 1: Was it? Yeah, it might have been because it was

1176
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:07,119
my wife's suggestion, and we watched that invite. When I

1177
01:04:07,159 --> 01:04:09,559
say we watched that show, my wife watches and I'm

1178
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:14,039
on the phone. I watched a documentary called Silicone Cowboys,

1179
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:18,079
which is about like compac and the fight against IBM

1180
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:20,320
when they made those like IBM ripoff computers. It's just

1181
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,199
an interesting thing if you're into that. Boys in the

1182
01:04:22,239 --> 01:04:25,039
Boat did you see that one? It's like the Rocky

1183
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:26,480
of rowing movies. Crew.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say I highly recommend Boys in

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the Boat. It is a wonderful film. I watched it

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on my flight home from Venice this summer, and at

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the recommendation of my youngest kid who had seen it,

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and everyone I know who's watched it loves it.

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Speaker 1: Really I found it a little bit tropy and a

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little bit a little bit dragged, a little bit. I

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felt like I wanted to know more about the rower.

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I just felt like it was a little uneven. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I expect it to like it, as it was

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so many other things. David Harsani is wrong.

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Speaker 2: It's a good, good film, isn't wrong. I loved when

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you it was that George Clooney made it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, George Clooney made it. I love it. I love

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when you attacked me when we were talking about Nixon

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and this guy goes, you're going to get Ratio. I

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live to be Ratio. I love the people.

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Speaker 2: You're like good.

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Speaker 1: That's why I said it. And I watched a movie,

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an Australian movie that was is all older, like twenty

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ten with Guy Pearson some other Australian actors called Animal Kingdom.

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Have you ever heard of this movie? Now? Listen. It

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is not safe for work kind of a movie. It

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is violent and all that, but I thought it was

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really really fantastic. There's an American TV show based on

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it that went on for like eight seasons that I

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never heard of before, with Ellen Barkin or something. But

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I found it to be really really interesting. So I

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recommend that people are going to get angry when they

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watch it, but whatever, I think it was good boy.

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What a crazy, crazy election season that was?

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Speaker 2: Huh well, I just want.

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Speaker 3: To congratulate everybody who made it through. It wasn't as

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glorious as twenty sixteen. In one way, because that was

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such a surprise. But there was something extremely cathartic about

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watching the results last night, and so I hope everyone

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enjoyed that. And there's a lot of work to be

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done to save the country, but it's a little bit

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easier now.

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Speaker 1: Listen ed ed Eddie. This is for Eddie's scary. But

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I you know, I don't like Trump, but the Democrats

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deserve to lose this election more than anyone ever deserved

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to lose one. They deserved it for lying, they deserved

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it for tearing the country apart with their Nazi stuff,

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they deserved it for the corrupt way the media acted.

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So I was very happy to see them lose for sure.

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I'd like to mention that I do have a book

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coming out soon, which I you know, honestly, and I'm

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not just saying pat myself on the back. I think

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explains a lot of how the left became this PARANOI,

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you know, has adopted this paranoia about politics, completely unable

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to debate issues and always just you know, accusing you

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of sedition or something terrible rather than being able to debate.

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And it didn't happen overnight, It's happened over decades and

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hopefully I think my book which is called The Rise

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of Blue and on how Democrats became a part of

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conspiracy theorists, and I.

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Speaker 3: Haven't read it yet, but I know that your stuff

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is always so good and so readable and so funny

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and just wonderful. So everyone should buy it The Rise

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of Bluing on wherever they buy their books.

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Speaker 2: And do you think we can talk about it? Maybe?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe next week or a week after that. I

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think would be great if we could. I will send

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you a copy. Of course, you're thanked, and the acknowledgments

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as always.

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Speaker 2: That's great. So now I now I'll have to say

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it's good no matter what.

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Speaker 1: I Yeah, that's why I put everyone in the acknowledgments now,

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like thank everyone. Now. I used to, you know, the

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acknowledgements used to be like three pages for my books.

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And I'm like, I can't keep doing this because what

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happens is you always forget someone and they get mad.

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So what I do now is just I mentioned people

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who have who I worked with and helped me, like you,

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But then I just say friends and family and stuff

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like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I feel that the same way. Like the first time

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I wrote a lot, because I thought I would only

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write one book, the one I wrote with Carrie Savorino,

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but then I just keep on writing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, great, and thank you for that. Molly's

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very kind of you. And as always, if you'd like

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to email the show, please do so at radio at

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the Federalist dot com. We get great mail and we

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look forward to hearing from you. Until next time. Be

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lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray. Same same,