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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pegaona Show.
Thomas is back and take a little one episode breakaway
from the California series.
Speaker 2: How are you doing, Thomas, I'm well, forgive the if
the copy of the recording comes out screwed up, forgive
me for that. I'm still dealing with some hardware issues
until I can upgrade my machine. It's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean, as long as we get the audio recorded, right,
who cares?
Speaker 2: So? Okay?
Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to do an episode because when we
were recording on Saturday night, the news was just breaking
about what was going on in Syria. And now that
we have a couple of days to see exactly what
is playing out, I wanted to have you, have you
on to talk about your thoughts and you know, see
where you see what you think is happening, or you know,
to give your opinion anything you want to talk about.
Speaker 2: So got right out and that thought is pretty clear,
and it disturbs me, is isn't it. People take what
emerges from official dome just at face value. Yeah, these
people claim that they're critical about, you know what official
them alleges. They claim they don't like legacy media, and
then and then they pair it uncritically everything it says,
you know, whether it's Kamala Harris is sweeping the country
or there was some sort of democracy Soros uprising in Syria,
like I mean, it's ridiculous. I mean, I don't you know,
and I find I find the whole thing really upsetting.
I mean, not for the reasons people might think, but
you know, such that myself and the people I associate
with have real allies on the ground there. I mean,
a bunch of these people got killed, you know, and
that's awful, but it should be pretty clear what Russia,
Turkey and Iran we're doing. I mean, going back really years,
but this reached kind of a critical decision point in
October and November. And I don't want to rehash the
entire conflict cycle because we'd be here all night. And
I'm just going to assume that people have knowledge of
the basic progress of hostilities from twenty eleven onward. But
basically the kind of roadmap that developed in twenty sixteen,
like September twenty sixteen was the first ceasefire, Okay, Russia
and the US broke her the ceasefire you know, between
the government of the Syrian Arab Republic, which was the
you know, the Bath regime, and this kind of constellation
of American and Israeli in Turkish proxies that the media called,
you know, the mainstream at Syrian opposite rebel group, which
was a complete mischaracterization. These guys were a bunch of
like Salafi lunatics and like Isis types. Plus it's like
make believe uh umbrella organization of Curds. I mean, curd
is a fake ethnicity. It's ridiculous. It's it's like the
Kurdish people and this kind of they're kind of this
fantasy uh anthony devised by State Department careers and Sorrows types.
There are no Kurdish people, like if you accept that
there's a Kurdish ethnicity, like literally like there's Jewish Kurds,
there's Sunny Kurds, there's Shia Kurds, there's Alo white Kurds,
there's a there's curves of about like eighteen different ethnic groups.
Like it. It's it's retarded, you know, and interestingly, like
the Turks refuse to negotiate unless it's kind of confabulated,
like Turkish representation like was excluded. Tells you a lot.
But basically the ceasefire was implemented, like the intensity of
hostilities abated. The one kind of bumping the road at
that time was there were American airstrikes that hit Syrian positions,
the Syrian Air of Army, I mean, on the seventeenth
of September, and the claim from Washington was that this
was some kind of accident, but that did derail things
for about a month. But subsequently, and this is important,
October twenty sixteen, the US, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the UAE,
and Iran they convened in Lasan, Switzerland to basically start
hashing out like what became kind of like the road
map to ending hostilities and what this was this series
of talks and negotiations in Kazakhstan, you know, called the
Astana talks, Okay, Euphemistically in diplomatic language you refer to
a summit as talks because it's non committal. This goes
back to the Cold War. But this is basically when
this was basically when the current enterprise, like what Syria
is going to be moving forward, was devised. Okay, end
of twenty sixteen, just before Christmas putin Aragon, they they
agreed to meet in Astana, Kazakhstan. Because Kazakhstan is purportedly neutral,
it's not really neutral, but they don't they don't maintain
a real military force. You know, they they don't really
participate in parapolitical intrigues any kind of direct way. But
this was what and Ernugon Pudin and the Foreign Minister
of Iran, I can't remember his name, they invoked Security
Council Resolution twenty two fifty four. Okay, as like the
Roadmap the peace, which basically called for like a gradual
transition out let me see if I any event. It
basically laid out progress towards multi party elections, a gradual
weakening of the executive and you know, an exclusion of
a constitutional mandate, that is law maic jurisprudence would be
the only source.
Speaker 3: Of of of law and authority contemplated, you know by
the legislature in devising law.
Speaker 2: Something that was essential to it was that Syria wouldn't
be Balkanized, okay, like it wouldn't be divided into separate states.
The understanding was if that was allowed to happen, you
basically have these kinds of like discrete militarized zones of interest,
you know, between Turkey, the Russian Federation, his Blah Iran
and Israel, the United States. And that's exactly what's happening now,
But we're not there yet. But these Astana talks like
who represented the opposition? This is important to the rebel.
Groups that were excluded were Isis, elmuse Refront, almus Refronts,
basically al Qaeda reconstituted. It's complicated because ISIS is also
kind of al Qaeda. They're kind of there's Arkawi faction
of al Qaeda, but they were excluded. So is this
kind of like make believe her Kurdish militia command that
you know America and sists. It's like this real thing.
But those who were given the green light to negotiate
formally abaft of the opposition with the Sham legion. These
are basically with Salafi radicals, the uh Aharar al Sham.
These guys were Salafis led by Hassan of Bud and
they were after the Syrian Air of Army during the
major conlet Segle. They were probably the most powerful element
on the ground. They had tens of thousands of men
under arms, like very hardened fighters and very very committed.
The uh There's a group called Jash al Islam literally
the Army of Islam. These guys were based in the
damask A, Syria of operations. They were. They were Salafi
usually broken with the Free Syrian Army in twenty thirteen.
And the FSA is kind of one part artificial. It's
one part like like like a fake militia of like
mercenaries and terrorists, like it's one part an indigenous kind
of element of a Salafes. But they broke, I believe,
because they integral to their mission and not be on
the same side of America and Israel, like even if
it's only for the sake of you know, material like
war materials and logistical assistance and things. But they found
it what's called the Syrian Islamic Front, which I believe
is still active. Some of this is probably out of date,
but I don't have eyes on the ground there and
now there's nobody giving me or my friend's humans. And
I hope they're not dead, but they may be. But
another faction was this US proxy element they called and
I believe so called itself the Free Italy of Army.
These guys are US proxies. They claim to be pain
Syrian nationalists and secularists. I don't think that's true, but
they're basically trying to siphon off or they were they
were basically constantly with deciphon off like a sad loyalists
who you know generally were either basically like genuine moderates
or you know, members of religious minority groups who you
know naturally had a steak and the enduring survival of
the Baptist regime. But these guys the Italy the government
or the Igoid government that it borders, it borders Turkey,
it borders uh the hall A province of Turkey to
the east, as Aleppo to the south, as Tama and
Uh to the west. But this is essential because like
the Italy the government, ultimately when the Russians started pounding
the hell out of Isis, as the ceasefire came about,
they basically let these IIS fighters retreat to Italy have
been like survived, okay or I dialed like whatever, forgive
the Yeah that's Italy. Yeah, yeah, greeam me. I'm tired
of not feeling good. But these guys in iaid government
supposedly and uh, Scott River is claiming this, and Scott
River is a crank, but and I don't accept anything
he says in terms of his his kind of strategic forecasting,
because that doesn't make any sense. But when he talks
about the forces and being of a lot of these elements,
because he's a military hound a lot of the time,
that's that's true, he claims, and so do these Stratford
types that Turkey was like set of twenty sixteen, that
Turkey was basically funneling their own fighters into the Idlib
and claiming that they were refugee elements or that they
were displaced persons, some of these wigers who got who
were allowed to emigrate the Turkey, you know, under auspices
of them being a persecuted population and the PRC, which
they probably are. There's a claim that a bunch of
these guys were said to Idlib, which then became this
kind of mini Islamic state, you know, on the Turkish
frontier that also acted as this kind of like militia
in theater that they were prepping to cut loose in
the opportune moment arrived. And at the time I was
a bit skeptical of that take, but I think facts
have kind of demonstrated that it's at least partially true.
And the Rea the remaining elements to the twenty sixteen,
the Astana Talks or these guys called themselves the Levant Frauds.
They were another Turkish proxy. They were like a broad
spectrum Sunni militia. And these guys call themselves the Mushaden Army.
These guys have murky origins and the ops of ISIS.
But other than that, not much is known about them.
They're definitely like the proxies of somebody, but it's not known. Okay.
So the first round of the Astana talks officially started
in twenty seventeen. The Astana process, as it was called,
it was in super visual terms. Again, it was dedicated
to supporting the framework laid out by Security Council Resolution
twenty two fifty four. What came out of it was
an agreement between Russia and Turkey to joint form a
joint monitoring body to enforce the cease fire and oversee
the implementation of the resolution. And this is important because
even though a lot of this fell apart, Turkey and
Russia sustained that strategic cooperation despite some maintenance in theater
where they were down arranged in one another or their
proxies were The Turks are really really duplicatous. Turkey's basically
allied with Israel in theater, but they've also got to
play nice with the Russians to some degree, owing the
reasons of energy independence and other things. And plus the
Turks always hedge to their bets. So this is complicated,
and a lot of people mits read what's being telegraphed.
But from twenty seventeen onward, Ergov and Putin were basically
on the same page. What the fate of Syria was
going to be a massive betrayal of Asad. The Syrian
allites and the men who under arms were obeying the
orders of Russian commanders a company level and higher. I
find this to be totally disgusting. If people, if you
want to tell me that I'm slandering the Russians, I
don't care. I mean, this is I'm not blind about this.
But you know, so the Russians from that point on
were from basically twenty seventeen have been saying, look, we're
gonna We're gonna preside over some sort of change in government.
But it has to exclude terrorists. It's got to exclude
elements that are nothing more than American clients who are
masquerading as some sort of legitimate representation of some sort
of Syrian people and that Syria had to remain like
an integral republic. The Russians don't actually mean that the
Russians want Syria to be carved up, which is what
they're doing to it now with the Turks and with
the Iranians and with Israel. But their alibi is that, Hey,
we wanted we wanted an integral Syria and America and
Israel and Turkey wouldn't let that happen. So we're just
trying to salvage what remains of, you know, the rules
based in the National Order as it has devised a
solution to the Syrian crisis, which was Resolution twenty two
fifty four. That's complete cap They're not doing that, but
that's that was the platform, if you will, in the
alibi for everything they were doing. From twenty seventeen onward.
Spring of twenty seventeen, the United Nations brokeer further talks
between a. Sad and his people and the normal opposition,
which was constituted by those elements that I just outlined
and described a minute ago. The opposition, they were represented
by what became called the High Negotiations Committee. ASAD is
represented and this is very significant by Bashar Jaafari. Jaafar
is the permanent representative at the UN in New York City.
He's also the ambassador to Russia and all accounts he
is still in that role. If I'm mistaken, somebody will
correct me when you upload this. Basically, the Syrian government
at these Geneva talks, they said they'd abide the implementation
of Resolution twenty two fifty four as long as there
was a commitment to the United States to accept basically
like the Syrian Arab Republic government, you know, the Assad regime,
as long as they be acknowledged that they were engaged
in a war against terrorism and any kind of political
transition had to focus on, you know, counter terrorism and
the objectives incident to this soundgoing campaign against terrorism in
Syria being realized. Okay, And this bought the Assad regime
some time, and that was honest. The Syrians were on
the front lines of what was called the war on terror,
I mean, more than anybody else, except arguably people in
Iraq who were down range of Salafi extremists. But the February,
as the Astana talks reconvened in twenty seventeen, there's a
document produced that formalized monitoring of the ceasefire, that set
up a joint operations group between like formed by Russia,
Turkey and Iran. And it included confidence building measures as
to you know, representatives of the formal opposition as well
as the Assad government who would be able to participate
in some sort of direct role beyond merely observational. What
this led to, This led to an agreement for demarketing
what was called the escalation zones. And this is key, okay,
spring of twenty seventeen, in May, this is the fourth
round of the talks, and the stunned Kazakhstan, Russia I
ran in Turkey. They signed this memorandum. This was all
very above board, establishing four de escalation zones, the largest
uh The largest zone was basically the what became the
lib government and it included Hama, Aleppo and Latakia, but
the alb government again and this was basically like the
Turkish occupation zone and all the name okay. The other
three zones with a Hams government uh An opposite and
controlled Stronghold and Guta, and one along the Jordan's Siria border,
which is essentially a demilitarized zone. Okay, so this was
when the fix was in. I don't think I don't
think the Russians were planning to whack Aside at this point,
but I think that's pretty much when the sea was planted. Okay,
and uh, I think the Department of State is so ignorant,
like it was over in a State, they this like
just went over their head. They they weren't paying attention
to it. If you read the dispatches from the time,
they didn't understand the implications of it. They seemed totally
illiterate on the way the Erdogan regime does a business
and what their strategic interests are and their kind of
duplicateousness born of you know, strategic necessity. If you look
at what the Turks want to pomplished, I mean, they
should be fairly obvious, you know, even accounting for the
kind of double speak that's you know, intrinsic, not just
the conflicts like the one that was underwing in Syria,
but also the the kind of Russian and the Turkish
diplomatic cultures. But you know, the there was also like
you know, this this idea of a no fly zone
being established, a suspension of all like a suspension of
all like military flights, not just warplanes, you know. And
this obviously was a way to essentially like cut like
the United States and Israel out of it as much
as possible. And I mean obviously that wasn't honored about it.
This was basically the Iranians, the Russians, and the Church
trying to corral like world opinion while they had you know,
well well they well they had the UN's endorsement and
in official terms, you know, to kind of try and
provide credibility to the whole thing. The Syrian government at
the last minute refused to sign off from the memorandum
because they figured out what was underway, you know, and
a lot of the rebel groups also, they were they refused,
enough of them refused to sign that the uh, the
formal opposition, like their representation collectively refused to sign because
like they realized too that like this was this was
gonna be the end of them, because they like they
only really existed because of American and is real American
and Israeli patronage. They claimed, oh, this leaves too many
loopholes for us to be attacked under Osmin's a counter
terrorism But it's like but you've got are terrorists. You know,
it's not it's not a loophole. But this was further
kind of buttressed like this model and this kind of
privileging of the Russian and Turkish and Iranian because you know,
much as the UN might ordinarily want to exclude the Iranians, like,
it wasn't possible in this case. You know, it was
they either they had to accept the they had, they
had to accept Russian and Turkish overtures like with Iran
or not at all. But uh, Stefan de Mistura, he's
that un hancho who was a he's an Italian Swede
and he was he was something he's certain in the
Italian government in some capacity. But he went on a
record saying that, you know, the Astana talks are like
a real roadmap to peace and we basically need to
like see this through. A bunch of the American proxies
within the Free Seroni pronumber like started boycotting the talks outright.
But this, uh, but it basically continued in arnest from
that point forward. Okay, fast forward a bit, because they
don't want to boor ebody to death. Things really changed
and became set in Stone twenty eighteen, the new Year's
the Russians canvene the quote Syrian Dialogue, Syrian National Dialogue
Congress in Sochi, and uh, you know again, it was
clear that's kind of quorum. Like Turkey, Iran, Russia was
more robust than people who were hoping for a different
outcome would would would hope for and pining for. September
that year, there was the Italy Memorandum. Basically Putin signed
off with Aragon on a quote buffer zone in Italy.
He basically signed over Italy the Turkish influence. Okay, this
is like your zone of influence, you know. Subsequent twenty
nineteen August twenty nineteen, the United States and Turkey came
to the table. They agreed to a quote buffer zone
in northern Turkey, which they claimed mcclaimed, Well, this will
preempt a Turkish invasion of SDF held territory STFs. Another
one of these like fake US proxies. They're like this
left wing cult that there's like Ado Marxist who they've
literally got like a feminist constitution, like it's ridiculous, but
this is the demilitarized zone between Turkey and Syria America
pretends that it's some sort of like woke utopia, when
in reality it's the de militarized zone and the fact
that Turkey got called got carved up while the State
Department has thumb up his ass, like just looking stupid.
This was like their way pretending that like they had
something to do with what was being hashed out. And
you know, basically this was the holding pattern from twenty
nineteen to the president. There was prisoner exchanges. You know,
POW's the Syrian Constitutional Committee, which was charged with drafting
a model for like a new multi party government, was
convened at the United Nations Office at Geneva in twenty nineteen.
You know, opposition meeter, opposition leaders met with elements of
the Asagregiam, which, in hindsight, after what happened these past
several weeks, it was clear these are the these are
the guys that they were going to tolerate remaining like
in their official capacities. After that, you're basically it was
no more common ground. There's kind of this, uh, there's
kind of the standoff. You know, the Syrian Arab Republics representatives,
you know, they they continued to participate because I think
they realized if they didn't, they would have marginalized themselves
even further. But the UH it was in twenty twenty
one that was kind of the final that's kind of
a final, final formal meeting of the Stenta Process group.
And again like the Russians, the Turks, the Iranians, they reiterated,
there's also representatives from Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq. There's a
joint statement and this is key from Iran, Russia and
Turkey saying they're opposed to any separatist plans that quote
undermined a unified Syria. But then lo and behold, you
know the war saw up between Israel and Hamas and
then his Blah in October twenty twenty three. Okay, now
as the world wide in to Lebanon and the Golan Heights,
the Israelis got smacked down in southern Lebanon. So they
came to the ceasefire and just in November, you know
this like this past November, and the ceasefire was signed
by Israel and Lebanon, and his Blah gave the Lebanese
foreign minister like cart Bloch and negotiate and this agreement
it mandated a sixty day halt to hostilities, whereby Israel
will draw from southern Lebanon, his blood will withdraw north
of the Latani River. But as soon as this was underway,
Israel started violating the ceasefire line with Syria that it
held in nineteen seventy four, and they started building permanent structures.
So basically Israel was acting as if like the Syrian
state had already collapsed. Immediately after this, like his blah agreement,
you know. And then just the other day, supposedly there's
this uprising against a sad The Russians are claiming, oh,
Israel invaded the Golan Heights and this destabilized everything, and
somehow his blass stood down. Iranian state media was saying,
you're going to see, you know, foreign troops entering Syria,
but don't be afraid. They're not gonna harm religious minorities.
I mean, it's obvious what happened here, you know. And
then immediately like Lavrov was at Doha when this was
going on, and when it wasn't clear what was happening,
and this obnoxious Limey reporter he was like saying, like wait, wait,
we got to talk about human rights and what's the future,
it looks like of Syria when the Russians are no
longer there, and like Lavrov just kind of started smirking
at him, saying, I look, I realized that your business
is drawing attention with this kind of you know, hysterical language.
But he's like, Russia is not going anywhere, you know,
He's like, that's not happening. And then immediately the Kremlin,
you know, after they were done pretending that there was
some sort of civil war underway, they declare, oh Asagee dead,
but you know, we've just reached a deal about our
naval bases. You know these guys.
Speaker 4: Uh it goes to show you that doing business with
the Russians like doing business in America, They've got no
honor man Like, they'll once you out of your usefulness,
they'll just whack you.
Speaker 2: And that's what they did in my opinion, and uh,
Pepe Escobar I used to have respect for him, but
as this was going on, he was like dropping State
Department cap and saying like, Asaude is done, Like the
Russians are finished. You know, they've been kicked out of
the Middle East, and like, what are you talking about? Like,
how could you think that you don't realize what's going
on here. I mean, I think some of these guys
are basically paid for by you know, NGOs and things
who are very insinuated into the American diplomatic establishment. But
a lot of these people are just ignorant. They for
all the time they spend trying to hold themselves out
as these as these kind of strategic analysts, they don't
know what they're talking about. And they CNN to them
is like a source of legitimate information. But you know,
for context about what Israel did hear, because I'm sure
people who are aren't into geography or whatever might not
realize whether the Golan Heights are significant, you know, going
back to the Sixth Day War in June sixty seven,
Israel captured the Golan on June ninth into the June tenth.
It's too it's two distinct areas. It's the Golan Heights proper,
which I was service of about a thousand square kilometers.
Then there's the slopes of the Mount Herman range, which
is about one hundred square kilometers. But this is uh,
this is key because in operational terms, I mean, you
can dump in direct fire on either Israel or or Lebanon,
depending on you know who who you're down range of.
But also Israel needed Laban's wrong, and the ceasefire line
ultimately called the Purple line, you know, has been this
point of contention ever since and most Dayan who is
the defense minister in in up to the seventy three war,
and then he was he was he went down in
disgrace because the claim from Tel Aviv was that, you know,
he he failed to predict probable movements by the Syrian
Arab army. But you know, he said, uh, you know,
he said eighty percent of the classes with Syria and
the run up to sixty seven were deliberately provoked. Because
he said that, you know, the it was, the idea
was the was the provoked hostilities, you know, not just
to push back the mainline of resistance, but to be
able to build Jewish settlements, you know, and and capture
living space literally. But I mean this is held. This
it held for forty four years after the nineteen seventy
four agreement. It was implemented, you know, the disengagement agreement,
and like all of a sudden, now even before before asades,
even like in the grave or before there's even talk
of of replacing the the Bath regime. They're just like
flavoringly violating the demarcation line. And then Yahu said, oh,
the Syria of army abandoned their positions, so like we
thought that, you know, there might be a crisis situation emergent,
so you know, we had we had to advance. But
you know, it's obvious what happened here the Russian ends,
the Turks, the Iranians. What happened is Israel realized that
they had to bring an end to this conflict, okay,
and because that conflict and the Ukraine wore the same thing,
as the situation is coming to a natural end in Ukraine.
The Israelis as well as Kiev. They said, I'm certain
of this, okay, Asad's got to go and we get
the Golan Heights, you know, that's our prerequisite, that's the
pre wreck to negotiations. And the Russians are like, what
do we care? You know, the Turks realize this is
a way to get a permanent toe hold in Syria
and no longer have to you know, play politics about it.
And the Iranians realize, you know, they a lot of
Shia don't even view Alohites. I mean, granted this is
like some of the more extremest elements among them, but
a lot of those guys constitute the hes Bla core.
They don't even do the Alohites as like real Maslims,
which they probably aren't. They're probably a called in Christians.
But they didn't care about hanging a side out to dry.
They're like, we smacked down the IDF. You know, we've
got a concord now with the Shia, with the Sunnis,
you know, through Hamas. So this is like win win
for us, you know. So that that's basically what happened, okay,
and uh, I mean, I guess the positive is that
like America, Losism looks stupid, but I mean America always
loses and looks stupid, you know. But that's that's basically
the breakdown of what happened. You know, the Syrian state
was dismantled by the Russians and the Turks, the Iranians
and Hesbla. They realize, like, you know, this act sally
is good for us, or it can work for us,
you know, because we you know, we we once again
as we did in two thousand and six. You know,
we basically like fourth and Israeli withdraw because we beat
them again, you know. And uh, their view is like,
as long as we have you know, as long as
we've got guarantees from the Salafis, like what do we care,
you know, like our heartland as I Ran, Iraq and
and Uh and Lebanon and so long it's like there's
not a tech theory like war underway, and so long
as like we're not being treated by whatever Suni majority
governments in Syria like we don't care, and like the
Russians ever are back too. So there you go, That's
what happened.
Speaker 1: Does al Jelani stay there as some kind of king
over the ashes very possible. We I've been seeing today
reports and you don't know whether they're they're true or
not of just Israel. It seems like Israel and the
United States for the last twenty four hours has just
been decimating every bit of infrastructure, taking out the navy,
taking out basically anything that they possibly can. Why would
why would Israel and you know, why would US Israel
want to do that?
Speaker 2: Because moving forward, I mean, they're just they're just covering
their bases because they don't want they don't want some
like rump element what was the Syrian Arab army actually
making this into a civil war. They they want they
want Syria to be like basically like a four powers
occupation zone, you know, and that's what it's becoming. And
they don't want any they don't want any uncertainty there.
So they're basically going to deprive Syria proper. They're going
to deprive like whatever this new Syrian government is of
any kind of like arms of its own, and uh,
you know again they don't they don't want a bunch
of like military, They don't want a bunch of like
they don't want a bunch of you know, heavy weapons
lying around, and they don't want a much of armor
and and and and warships around that you know, could
be appropriated if things go to hell again. I mean
that's why you know it's now they don'tant anything to
happen in Syria, not that you know right now. It's
in everybody's interests and not provoke hostilities, you know, in
the terms the Russians and the Iranians aren't, So that
leaves these kind of unknown quantities and they don't know
either this like Salafi element that like has the government
you know, they want to disarm them as much as possible,
at least in terms of their ability to must have
combined arms or something. That's why.
Speaker 1: Do you think any promises that you talk about Russia,
Turkey and Iran was the US Israel in on this
at all giving promises to Russia of anything in Ukraine?
You know, you can have the you can have the
areas you want in Ukraine as you'r as this thing
is winding down, we Iran, We'll take the heat off
of you and you know, we'll just it'll.
Speaker 2: Was there.
Speaker 1: And do you think there was any kind of bartering
on the United States Israel?
Speaker 2: And oh yeah, definitely, except the multi came from Israel.
And this one guy I can't remember his name, does
this one? Uh? Does this one? There's this one guy
who's like kind of like a minister without portfolio for
like the the Biden regime, and he's been doing he's
been going back and forth between here in Israel, and
he's also got links to Ukraine and stuff. Obviously. I mean, like, yeah,
I think he definitely has taken a role and the
israelis absolutely have and Israel essentially controls Kiev. But I
mean America, the American diplomatic corp Are like total idiots,
Like nobody listened to them, nobody takes them seriously. They
don't know what the fuck's going on. So yeah, I
mean the people who nominally represent like the regime's interest
and they've been like, yeah, definitely doing that. But I'm
not gonna credit department to stay with that because those
people are too stupid to live. But yeah, definitely, and
the you know, that was basically why. That's also why,
like the Zelenski's a total piece of shit. But when
he's like, you know, the war can't indy it, like
this is part of what he was talking about, you know,
like until like this gets resolved, because this is the
other frauds, you know, like we can't commit to anything
because the whole point of this war anyway was we're
gonna tie on the Ivans and we're gonna pose attrition
and we're not gonna stop until we can like eke
out concessions in theater being Israel and the levant in Syria.
So yeah, definitely, But I mean it's clear when it happened,
Like I said, I don't I'm not, I don't know,
have some kind of like, I'm not some augurs if
there should be obvious to people, I think, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after we disconnected on Saturday night, it just immediately
the only thing that came to my mind was that
a deal was made with Russia to give them what
they want in Ukraine, since they're not going to have
any ports in Syria anymore, leave Iran alone. Turkey would
have more influence with their proxies in the in the
north of northern what is Syria, and then Israel would
have more influence with themselves and their proxies in southern Syria.
It just seemed like this was like horse trading. And
I mean, I could definitely completely wrong, but that that
seems exactly what it was.
Speaker 2: You're right with the exception that Russia absolutely is keeping
their ports. Russia is never giving up those ports. Russia
will go to general war before they give up those ports.
Their access to the Eastern Mediterranean and thus to Africa
are reliant upon those ports. They will never give them up.
And if Turkey and Iran and UH even if Turkey
and Iran and hashed something out, if if American Israel
had had tried to finesse some way to turn the
Salafi element on the Russians and like banish their their
Mediterranean fleet like the Russia. The Russians would have started
just like dumping fire on them. Yeah, they would have
been like, oh, that's not happening. But yeah. Otherwise, yeah,
you're right, that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if Russia does keep their ports, then it
should be obvious to everybody what how this happened. I
mean to believe anyone who believes that Syria was taken
in basically five days by you know, a rebel basically groups,
and that the country falls and Aside has to leave
and it wasn't some kind of deals weren't made all
over the place for this to happen. You got to
be out of your mind. I mean, no one's going
to take No one could take Syria in five days
unless something really fucked up happen.
Speaker 2: What's also disgraceful, you know again, the guys who actually
fought this, you know, the Eagles of the Whirlwind, you know,
they're those guys are basically national socialists. You know, they're
the Syrian Social Nationalist Party, which ASAD brought into the
government in about twenty fifteen. I think I might be
off on that. It might have been later, but before
that they've been excluded. It's like extremist element. And those
guys fought and a bunch of them died, you know,
And that's those guys are if you're any kind of
if you if you're gonna real right winger, like, those
are your guys, you know, and is you know, they
they're they're the ones who they're they're the big losers
in this and the ones who got backstabbed as well
as Asad, who was a great man and the kind
of the you know, and he was a reluctant air
to a dynasty that was a great dynasty. This is
very very bad man and it's very it's a very
sad thing. But it's not you know, I mean it's
like it was.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: It was offensive to me again like just people like
parroting what like MSNBC SAIDs it's like what are you like?
Are you are you? Are you mental?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Are you you know? So No, I was upset by
the whole thing. I was not even melodramatic or something,
but yeah, I mean that's what that that's what transpired.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people people compare try to people tried to compare
this to Kadafi getting overthrown. I'm like, this is so
much worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is so much worse, and it's also nothing
like that, like I just you know, like the on
the one hand, I mean, yeah, the Syrian people are
gonna suffer terribly, and there was you know, like brave
soldiers like like I said, these these these guys egos
to the Whirlwind Militiam and others. But you know, I mean,
at least, uh, at least the incoming administration isn't going
to be able to like wage these irrational zionist wars.
It's gonna be at least like a decade and a
half before they could do that at scale, and with
successive complex cycle they're like less able to intervene directly.
There's just like not the forces and being there's not
the political will, like anybody thinks like America is like
winning is like out of their fucking mind, you know.
So I mean that that is good. You know, the
regimes getting weaker, it's less able to hurt people. It's
less able to you know, as as it goes down
over these next like one hundred and fifty years or whatever,
it's going to continue to harm people and destabilize things.
But it's becoming like less and less respective, less and
less serious, more and more reliant on mercenaries because they
can't muster their own forces and beings. So that's good,
you know, it has blood. Victory is good, you know.
And Russia, however, I might feel about the way the
Russians conduct their politics and the duplicity therein. You know,
it's essential that Russia remain in the Near East as
a direct counterweight to Israel and America. So I mean
those those things, uh like, like like America the regime,
the American regime lost here, but that that's not the
end all be all of everything. There's other tragedies here.
I mean that that's that's a good thing. Where there's
where there's tragedies inherent as well. So yeah, that's that's
the breakdown of it, all right.
Speaker 1: I got a storm rolling and that's about ready to
take to mess with my satellite, so plugs don't get
out of here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, The best place to find me is on substack.
That's what my podcast is is and other good stuff
and a very active chat. It's real Thomas seven seven
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I'm gonna be out of town from Thursday morning until
the morning of the sixteenth, So the next few days
I'm gonna try and dip into the panel discussion with
you fellows on Friday while I'm on the road. But
other than that, it's probably gonna be a minute, like
you know, just like a week or something before I
do anything fresh, So just everybody be aware of it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Take care. Yeah,