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Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jhon Favreau.
Speaker 3: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
Speaker 2: On today's show, We're going to talk about Trump's new
Speaker 2: threat to send gas prices back up at what was
Speaker 2: ostensibly an affordability stop in Vegas, where he also debuted
Speaker 2: the Republican argument against Abdul l Saied and other progressives.
Speaker 2: We'll also talk about Abdul's general election argument, the final
Speaker 2: days of the Wisconsin primary, and the new fifteen million
Speaker 2: dollars centrist plan to go to war against the Democratic
Speaker 2: Socialists of America. Fun On the Republican side, the Max
Speaker 2: Miller story has somehow become even more revolting. Another House
Speaker 2: Republican resigns over inappropriate conduct with staffers, and the draft
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson for President movement has begun. Then Dan talks
Speaker 2: to David Crowley, the Milwaukee County executive who's trying to
Speaker 2: catch Francesca hung in the Democratic primary for Wisconsin governor.
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Speaker 2: the factional war within the Democratic Party continued to rage
Speaker 2: this week, the Republican president, with the record low thirty
Speaker 2: eight percent approval rating, took his traveling circus to Vegas,
Speaker 2: where he appeared with Governor Joel Lombardo at an event
Speaker 2: where the intended message was supposed to be about the
Speaker 2: Republican Party's efforts to make life easier for working Americans.
Speaker 2: Let's see how they did. We'll start with Lombardo here
Speaker 2: talking about Trump.
Speaker 5: Quite often, when the press and the media runs them down,
Speaker 5: they think about, you know, he's taking care of his
Speaker 5: billionaire friends. But those billionaire friends provide jobs. So I
Speaker 5: know Pastor Tye spoke about Officer abdel Nabby a few
Speaker 5: moments ago. No, no, we're not booing we're not booing him.
Speaker 5: He's the officer that passed away here recently.
Speaker 6: So the tariffs have made us rich. Remember I used
Speaker 6: to say that tariffs are.
Speaker 2: My favorite word. I love tariffs.
Speaker 4: So my favorite word in the dictionary.
Speaker 6: Tariff when gasoline, when oil goes down, and it's going
Speaker 6: to go down very.
Speaker 4: Rapidly, and it's happening very soon, already happening.
Speaker 6: If you look today, it's seventy five dollars down to
Speaker 6: seventy five at dropping.
Speaker 4: And we may have to send it up again. We
Speaker 4: may have to. You know what happens when we send
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 6: I saw polls today on television. I say, Donald's Trump
Speaker 6: polls on the economy aren't good? Do The economy is
Speaker 6: the greatest economy we've ever had by far.
Speaker 2: Wow. Lots of unpack there, dan before we zero in
Speaker 2: on that disciplined affordability messaging. The moment they got the
Speaker 2: most attention were all the booze you just heard when
Speaker 2: Lombardo invoked the name of Officer abdel Nabi, a Vegas
Speaker 2: police officer who was shot and killed in the line
Speaker 2: of duty on Tuesday. What do you think could have
Speaker 2: possibly led the crowd to boo the name of a
Speaker 2: heroic law enforcement officer and former marine.
Speaker 3: It's hard to find a better example of the racism, jingoism,
Speaker 3: Islamophobia that has become part and parcel of Republican politics,
Speaker 3: even for years now, even before the Trump era. That
Speaker 3: just at the mere mention of a name that sounds Muslim,
Speaker 3: the crowd.
Speaker 2: Boost truly truly upsetting, and and Lombardo is like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: don't boo And then Trump later says says his name
Speaker 2: as well, and has to like calm the crowd down.
Speaker 3: So it's shocking and been not surprising that this happened.
Speaker 3: I think the also the thing that treatest point is,
Speaker 3: like you said, I got a lot of attention. We
Speaker 3: still got a lot of intention on Twitter, we got
Speaker 3: some news coverage. But you and I were talking about
Speaker 3: this earlier. But in twenty twelve, there was a Republican
Speaker 3: primary presidential debate and they had they were doing video
Speaker 3: questions submitted. I'm sure there was some like very anachronistic
Speaker 3: social media a lot tie into this debate, like it
Speaker 3: was a Facebook debate of something. They had a video
Speaker 3: from a soldier who had served in Iraq who was gay,
Speaker 3: and he was asking the Republicans if they were going
Speaker 3: to roll back the progress that had been made on
Speaker 3: LGBTQ rights, and the crowd booed, and it was like
Speaker 3: a four day story, and every Republican had to come
Speaker 3: back and say they wish they told the crowd not
Speaker 3: the boot and here it just happens, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: obviously this is what happens to Trump's America, and we
Speaker 3: just move on.
Speaker 2: You said that it was hard to find another example,
Speaker 2: but I have one Tuesday. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: saw that. In the Republican primary in Michigan's eighth district,
Speaker 2: Trump's preferred candidate, a mere Hassan who he campaigned with
Speaker 2: in person the other day at the GM plant, lost
Speaker 2: to a candidate named Tom Smith, who dropped out of
Speaker 2: the race a month ago. This is a mere hassan.
Speaker 2: In his campaign literature it said Jesus Christ is his
Speaker 2: Lord and Savior. He talks about how he's a Christian.
Speaker 2: Guy's a former veteran, former marine cop, former cop. The
Speaker 2: NRCC spent money on this race, Trump endorsed, Trump appeared
Speaker 2: with him, Trump endorsed him on truth Social and lost
Speaker 2: to a guy that spent no money and dropped out
Speaker 2: of the race a month earlier. Because his name was
Speaker 2: Tom Smith.
Speaker 3: Well, Johnny's also a salsa magnet. He has his own
Speaker 3: line of salsae.
Speaker 2: I did not know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's he's a former.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's an anti salsa vote.
Speaker 3: Then maybe maybe it is anti Salicovot. And this is like,
Speaker 3: this is not an insignificant deal because this is a
Speaker 3: district that Trump won by two points, that has a
Speaker 3: Democrat sitting at a Chris McDonald Rivet and so this
Speaker 3: is a bit it would have been a potential NRCC target.
Speaker 3: She's a very strong candidate. She outperformed Kama Harris by
Speaker 3: nine points last time. But the reason Trump got involved
Speaker 3: here with you try to get a candid they thought
Speaker 3: could win. Republican voters were like, look, Trump has a
Speaker 3: lot of pull, but his poll is not stronger than
Speaker 3: my own personal racism. So I'm going to take the
Speaker 3: defunct zombie candidate with the salsa instead.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, I'm sorry. The guy that won is the salsa.
Speaker 3: Yes, the guy with the who won is sorry Tom Smith.
Speaker 2: Is So then it was a pro salsa vote.
Speaker 3: Then, yeah, I just I gonna go on on a
Speaker 3: limb and say that large majorities of the republic primary
Speaker 3: voters are not familiar with jar Head salsa, which was
Speaker 3: named after his three sons, ter Marines, and they just
Speaker 3: went with the whitest name possible, which is Tom Smith.
Speaker 2: In just in case you think that we're just guessing
Speaker 2: about the Islamophobia here and the racism. When Trump endorsed
Speaker 2: him on truth Social it was just flooded with comments
Speaker 2: from Trump supporters like have you lost your mind? Endorsing
Speaker 2: Muslim candidates and no Muslims in America, no Muslims in office.
Speaker 2: Or this one is a little more subtle. His name
Speaker 2: gives me pause. Call me racist, but I am merely
Speaker 2: being cautious. Obama comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Subtle.
Speaker 2: So that's just a few of the remarks. There's a
Speaker 2: few of the reactions to Trump's endorsement of Amre Hasan.
Speaker 2: So things are going great with the Republican on affordability.
Speaker 2: How psych do you think Swing state voters already hear
Speaker 2: that Trump is sending up the price of oil again.
Speaker 2: It's going to have to send it up. And the
Speaker 2: people of Nevada hearing the Republican governor saying, hey, they
Speaker 2: should just be grateful to all the billionaires for providing
Speaker 2: all those jobs.
Speaker 3: Let's take these two things separately for a second. So
Speaker 3: let's start with gas prices. Now, most of the time
Speaker 3: when gas prices go up, presidents go out of their
Speaker 3: way to make it clear that gas price it's a
Speaker 3: global oil market. There are lots of things the president
Speaker 3: is not personally responsible. Not Trump. He swings in the
Speaker 3: other direction and leans in directly to say, look, I
Speaker 3: am the guy me I decide whether they go up
Speaker 3: or down, and I may decide to make them go
Speaker 3: up again. Just FYI, that's me, Donald J. Trump, the
Speaker 3: gas price raising guy. That's me, truly, And like.
Speaker 2: What is he even? I guess he's I guess he's
Speaker 2: referencing that he may attack Iran.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's threatening to bam Iran again.
Speaker 2: Right. But also he was in the Oval right before
Speaker 2: he recorded, someone asked him about this, this potential deal
Speaker 2: between Iran and Oman about the Straight of Horror moves
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, we kind of control it already.
Speaker 2: Kind of you no, he said, I'm sorry. He said,
Speaker 2: it's kind of open already. We control it, which is
Speaker 2: also interesting because it's like, it's if we control it,
Speaker 2: why is it only kind of open? The truth is, uh,
Speaker 2: if they make a deal Iran and Oman about the
Speaker 2: Straight of hor moves, notice we're not involved. Iran still
Speaker 2: controls this straight and they will be charging a They
Speaker 2: want to charge a five to seven percent fee for
Speaker 2: all the tankers that go through the Straight of horor moves.
Speaker 2: And Gregory brew who's an Iran expert on Twitter, was
Speaker 2: just crunching the numbers and he said a five percent
Speaker 2: fee assessed on outbound tankers would translate into fifty two
Speaker 2: million dollars per day for the regime. So we are
Speaker 2: currently spending one billion dollars a day, taxpayer dollars, all
Speaker 2: of us. Were spending this on a war that has
Speaker 2: left eighteen Americans dead, hundreds wounded, and is going to
Speaker 2: result in status quo from before the war. With the
Speaker 2: addition of now Iran controls the straight and is making
Speaker 2: fifty two million dollars a day. And I guess the
Speaker 2: regime is slightly different in that they are younger and
Speaker 2: more radical than the old regime.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so things are going great. There's also a
Speaker 3: Washington Post report over the weekend that the reason why
Speaker 3: Trump canceled his planned attack on Iran was not because
Speaker 3: of the pending deal, but because he had a blow
Speaker 3: up with Pete Heggsath over the fact that we are
Speaker 3: running out of missiles.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then he and then he threatened to jail
Speaker 2: the person who leaked that story, which is a fake story,
Speaker 2: which is also stricky to do both of those things.
Speaker 2: The story isn't real, it's totally made up, but I'm
Speaker 2: going to fire the person that leaked the made up story.
Speaker 3: So they're talking about the millionaire thing for a second.
Speaker 2: Two, Yes, let's talk about the billionaires, because several billions
Speaker 2: also in attendance.
Speaker 3: Yes, which is also funny because it is to one,
Speaker 3: he's repeating the democratic attack, which is never what you want.
Speaker 3: But then he's like, the basic gist of Lombardo's message is, yes,
Speaker 3: Trump is helping billionaires. He is definitely doing that. But
Speaker 3: some of those billionaires they help you.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 2: I like that. The old the old Republican Party, the
Speaker 2: non Maga Republican Party, and the least politically popular part
Speaker 2: of that party is sort of roaring back just in
Speaker 2: time for the midterm election. Are you familiar with the
Speaker 2: Great Burrito Debate of twenty twenty six?
Speaker 3: Talk to me about this because I've really struggle to
Speaker 3: keep up with it.
Speaker 2: This is a very This is a Twitter thing, but
Speaker 2: it has involved everyone from.
Speaker 3: And what I want information on Twitter things. If elig
Speaker 3: she's not available, I go to.
Speaker 2: You, Thank you, thank you. Well, let's just just just
Speaker 2: hear me out on the people involved in this. So
Speaker 2: Andrew Covit of TPUSA, Charlie Kirk's producer now sort of
Speaker 2: in charge of TPUSA, said that one of their college
Speaker 2: students in one of the TPOSA Chapters told him recently
Speaker 2: that a burrito shouldn't cost twenty dollars. Matt Walsh of
Speaker 2: The Daily Wire he was complaining about the price of groceries,
Speaker 2: and Andrew colvid said, you know, I've hearing this from kids.
Speaker 2: They said the brito shouldn't cost twenty dollars. Mark Tison,
Speaker 2: who's the former Bush speech writer who is now you know,
Speaker 2: full time warmonger on Fox News, has advised Trump to
Speaker 2: fight this war. And Iron loves war, loves nothing more
Speaker 2: than war. He jumped in and just like had several
Speaker 2: tweets in response to Andrew Colvit that said, a burrito
Speaker 2: only costs twenty dollars when you buy it on door
Speaker 2: Dash because you're too lazy to walk over to Chipotle
Speaker 2: or Taco Bell where you can get one. For three
Speaker 2: ninety nine, when I graduated, I lived on Ramen noodles,
Speaker 2: had two roommates, and worked two jobs. I didn't whind
Speaker 2: about affordability. I worked hard so I could one day
Speaker 2: afford a better life. And then he wasn't done yet,
Speaker 2: so we had another tweet crimea River. The burritos in
Speaker 2: the college cafeteria are included in your meal plan, and
Speaker 2: then it would have ended there. But jd Vance, back
Speaker 2: from paternity leave and apparently back from swearing off shit
Speaker 2: posting on Twitter, as as Susie Wiles had advised him
Speaker 2: to do, decided to jump right in here and say,
Speaker 2: I'm surprised to hear Mark say this. If you've ever
Speaker 2: met him in person, it's quite obvious the man has
Speaker 2: never missed a burrito.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of things on that one. J D
Speaker 3: Vance not exactly.
Speaker 2: Saving a lot of burritos.
Speaker 3: Just I'm not here to come in on his weight,
Speaker 3: but I don't think he is at such and such
Speaker 3: a great shape that he can be casting expersions on
Speaker 3: others to calling Martise in fat on Twitter. He is
Speaker 3: possibly the most likely and popular thing Jada Vance has
Speaker 3: ever done.
Speaker 2: I know that is tough. That is tough. I did
Speaker 2: welcome him back to Twitter when he did that, I
Speaker 2: was I was very said, welcome back, welcome back to shit.
Speaker 3: Did he respond to you?
Speaker 2: He did it? He did it, But I will I
Speaker 2: will continue to try and debate him. So and then
Speaker 2: Dan Crenshaw, remember Dan Crenshaw, congressman. He just lost his primary,
Speaker 2: so he won't be coming back to Congress, so he
Speaker 2: must have felt a little liberated. He decided to tweet
Speaker 2: out of the blue just to dive into this debate.
Speaker 2: Just hearing about this dumb twenty dollars burrito debate. So
Speaker 2: just thought I'd make the losers on social media angry
Speaker 2: before going to bed. Stop whining, get a job, Eat
Speaker 2: ramen like the rest of us did in college, a
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of Ramen references on a budget
Speaker 2: with four roommates. The market doesn't care what you think
Speaker 2: something should cost.
Speaker 3: Did you eat a lot of romen in college?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: I had a ton of romen. Really, I'm like not
Speaker 2: a romen person. I like, I don't. I've probably eaten
Speaker 2: ramen like once.
Speaker 3: But we're talking when we talk about ramen like we're
Speaker 3: talking instant ramen. We're not talking you know.
Speaker 2: I know I've seen the some local it'ya we went
Speaker 2: to also also haven't had that, yeah at the at
Speaker 2: the localist. Kaya great message. I think I think they're
Speaker 2: firing on all cylinders on affordability as we head into
Speaker 2: the midterms, we lose to these people.
Speaker 3: Stop whining. It's a great message to give to voters.
Speaker 2: Stop whining. We talked about this on our on our
Speaker 2: bonus episode, and we talked about Michigan. But Mike Rogers
Speaker 2: in Michigan has a whole bunch of these comments about
Speaker 2: you know, people should be like, oh the price of coffee,
Speaker 2: Oh boo. Who still a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: bad stuff out there for Republicans on affordability. One more
Speaker 2: thing about this event before we leave the Vegas event.
Speaker 2: This might have been more important than anything Trump said.
Speaker 2: It was his new look, which is our eighty year
Speaker 2: old president appears to have grown a new head of
Speaker 2: hair overnight.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: Take a look at these photos, Dan from last week
Speaker 2: and this week. We've got a side by side again.
Speaker 2: If you're just listening, you're gonna need to start on YouTube,
Speaker 2: especially for this so that Jesus Christ. So on the.
Speaker 3: Can I do the description here? Please? Okay? So on
Speaker 3: the left, this is the quote unquote before photo. Trump's
Speaker 3: hair is kind of a shade of gray. I'd say
Speaker 3: it is stringy. It is not covering the full scalp.
Speaker 3: He looks a little bit like like a ferret that
Speaker 3: just got of the bath with alopecia. Like it's not
Speaker 3: a good look, right, And on the right the after photo,
Speaker 3: if you will. He has a lush head of hair
Speaker 3: that covers everything. It is flowing. It's also an entirely
Speaker 3: different color than the one from a few days ago.
Speaker 2: It looks like something that RFK Junior would peel off
Speaker 2: the road and eat.
Speaker 3: I think he looks like it looks like he is
Speaker 3: in a nineteen seventy shampoo commercial. Like that is some
Speaker 3: real hair there, Like he could be you know, he
Speaker 3: could be in the Partridge family. Like that is good hair,
Speaker 3: don't It is not a good color, doesn't seem real.
Speaker 3: It's going in directions that hair should not go. But
Speaker 3: it is more hair than he had a few days before.
Speaker 3: And like I said, a very different color.
Speaker 2: Looks like is it a wig? Is it?
Speaker 3: I think he's got extensions put in there. I think
Speaker 3: they got they added something, yeah, and he got it.
Speaker 3: He got it colored. I guess I matched the extensions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with a highlighter.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it is. His face also looks
Speaker 3: very different too. They all hold the different people.
Speaker 2: Did he get it sprayed with the same stuff they're
Speaker 2: using on all the statues in DC? Is that he
Speaker 2: used some of the paint from the oval for his hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is, there's a little bit of like gold
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 2: I guess anyway, I guess good for him, But that
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: I read, Ah, I read a People magazine story on
Speaker 3: this because I wanted to do real research, and in
Speaker 3: it is says we called the White House for two
Speaker 3: to get comment on the president's new hair.
Speaker 2: They did not respond, which is it's a real tell.
Speaker 3: There is Caroline Levit. She's briefing again.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: I hope someone's asking this question.
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely someone will ask it.
Speaker 3: Can you either get these TMC guys or are making
Speaker 3: they're making the rounds in DC. We got to get them.
Speaker 2: On this story, I get to say. I don't usually,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't usually buy into these various Trump conspiracies,
Speaker 2: and yeah, but it really looks like something happened.
Speaker 4: With the hair.
Speaker 3: Something. There's no one that I am the same head
Speaker 3: of hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm buying this one. I hook line and sinker,
Speaker 2: call me a resist lib, call me blue Mago, whatever
Speaker 2: it is. I believe this one. It's I can see
Speaker 2: with my own advice. Yeah, okay, thank you, thank you.
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Speaker 2: onto more important stuff. Now that the Michigan primary is
Speaker 2: nothing more important than that. Now that the Michigan primary
Speaker 2: is behind us, everyone is in spin mode and trying
Speaker 2: to project confidence about the course ahead. Here's Trump in
Speaker 2: Vegas about Abdul.
Speaker 4: Abdulah lovely gentleman. He's a man of hate, and now
Speaker 4: he's going.
Speaker 6: Around saying, no, I love everybody I love.
Speaker 7: He doesn't love everybody. Put him in office. You're gonna
Speaker 7: find out what he loves. He doesn't love Israel. He
Speaker 7: doesn't love Jewish people. He hates them. He hates them
Speaker 7: with a passion that burns in his heart and is
Speaker 7: not a fricking thing he can do about it.
Speaker 6: Filth, crime, death, destruction, embarrassment. You lose your home, you
Speaker 6: lose your apartment, and that's where the communists will take us.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. When I watch Abdul.
Speaker 6: He's full of shit.
Speaker 2: Quite what is he full of shit about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's not I know this is this is
Speaker 3: the exception to Trump's usually logical and uh well, easily
Speaker 3: understood explanations. But yeah, no, it doesn't make a lot
Speaker 3: of sense here.
Speaker 2: It is funny how and I know this is not
Speaker 2: the first time, but they really have made the full
Speaker 2: shift from socialism to communism. So they were they were
Speaker 2: flirting with both for a while and now they've just
Speaker 2: gone full They've left socialism behind.
Speaker 3: The last I would say, the day before, the day of,
Speaker 3: in the day after the Michigan primary are all sort
Speaker 3: of a blur. But didn't Trump at some point truth
Speaker 3: something about how Hailey Stevens was a socialist and Abdul
Speaker 3: was a communist.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't even know if he said Abdul was
Speaker 2: a communist. In that tweet he said he he did
Speaker 2: Abdul's full name to do some of the racism, and
Speaker 2: then then he referred to Hailey Stevens as a socialist.
Speaker 3: Socialist yet okay, but he had previously referred Abduel as
Speaker 3: a communist. So he has resked as a as a
Speaker 3: true scholar of the works of Karl Marx and Lenin.
Speaker 3: He has a very well understood distinction between communists and
Speaker 3: social so I'm sure it's being applied correctly here.
Speaker 2: I will say on election day, our friends at MS now,
Speaker 2: I was just tuning in and multiple times I saw
Speaker 2: up on the screen this very pland chart that was
Speaker 2: comparing communism and socialism, just to give people rundown of
Speaker 2: the difference between the two, which is.
Speaker 3: Not where you want to be on our party right now.
Speaker 3: It's like, look, he's not a communist a socialist.
Speaker 2: I don't I you know, someone will have to correct
Speaker 2: but I don't know what the context was because they
Speaker 2: had it muted because I was working, But I'm like, what,
Speaker 2: why does it keep popping up on my screen? Anyway? So,
Speaker 2: for his part, Abdul has been doing lots of interviews,
Speaker 2: including this one with CNN's Kaitln Collins on Wednesday night.
Speaker 8: We've heard some Democrats who are worried that you cannot
Speaker 8: defeat Mike Rogers come November. How do you plan to
Speaker 8: address those concerns from people in your own party.
Speaker 9: We don't need worry we need work. Worrying and Democrats
Speaker 9: worrying is not going to the problems.
Speaker 8: She is now supporting you now that you have won
Speaker 8: the nomination? Are you going to invite her to campaign
Speaker 8: with you out on the trail?
Speaker 9: Look, we need everybody together to beat Mike Rogers. I'm
Speaker 9: grateful we had a great conversation this morning. We talked
Speaker 9: about a hard fought primary. You know, I've known the
Speaker 9: Congress froman since twenty eighteen, since we ran together. And again,
Speaker 9: whatever our different disagreements, we know that the disagreements we
Speaker 9: have with Mike Rogers and Donald Trump are so much bigger.
Speaker 8: So given how many votes she got, will should be
Speaker 8: on the campaign trail with you.
Speaker 4: Look, I should hope.
Speaker 9: So that's a choice that she gets to make. There
Speaker 9: are people like Jade Vance or Donald Trump or Mike
Speaker 9: Rogers who wanted to find America as being too small
Speaker 9: to include some kinds of people. I believe that America
Speaker 9: is big. It's open minded, it's big hearted. It can
Speaker 9: include any of us, regardless of how we pray, regardless
Speaker 9: of where our families come from, regardless of who we
Speaker 9: love or how we identify. That's the America we're building.
Speaker 9: And I think America in Michigan in particular, has an
Speaker 9: opportunity to remind us just how big we are.
Speaker 2: What do you think of Abdul's unity message? There inevitable
Speaker 2: attention he's now getting from Trump. And one thing that
Speaker 2: was on my mind as I was watching that and
Speaker 2: just sort of seeing the last couple of days play out,
Speaker 2: it seems like what Abdul has to do one of
Speaker 2: the many tasks he has now is so much of
Speaker 2: the coverage of this race and the discussion about this
Speaker 2: race is centered on him, and it feels like he
Speaker 2: needs to sort of the turn the ship so that
Speaker 2: it focuses on Trump and Mike Rogers, and I wonder
Speaker 2: if you have thoughts on how he can do that.
Speaker 3: I do so on the unity side. His message is great.
Speaker 3: I think I think you and I may have talked
Speaker 3: about this in the bonus, probably did, but it's even
Speaker 3: more true now than it was when we recorded right
Speaker 3: after the election. Abdul, Hailey, Stems, no I, mcmorro, Gresh
Speaker 3: and Whitmer, everyone involved has done an excellent shop. They've
Speaker 3: done exactly what they need to do. Even the people
Speaker 3: who are some of Abdul's biggest opponents on Twitter have
Speaker 3: come around and are tweeting out the national links for him.
Speaker 3: Everyone understands the urgency of the task among at least
Speaker 3: the political elites in the establishment, and I think that
Speaker 3: is this could have been divisive, It could have lingered on.
Speaker 3: It did not. They had the Unity breakfast, which was
Speaker 3: previously scheduled, was held this morning. Abdul and Haley hugged
Speaker 3: on camera during that when she came to the stage.
Speaker 3: I think like we were doing exceeding all expectations there.
Speaker 3: I think that is that is great. I think Trump
Speaker 3: get it. Involving himself in this race is also great
Speaker 3: for Abdul. Trump is a thirty eight percent approval rating.
Speaker 3: According to some poles in Michigan. Talk about it all
Speaker 3: the time. Come campaign with Mike Rogers, come many times,
Speaker 3: talk about it. It will only help with the voters
Speaker 3: who were skeptical of Abdul but very much disapproved of Trump.
Speaker 3: That is be very very helpful him. I think that's great.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to take a little bit. You've
Speaker 3: got to get through this immediate post primary cycle where
Speaker 3: everything is going to be about Abdul, where the race goes,
Speaker 3: can you win like you did? That has to wash
Speaker 3: out the system. I think him doing all these interviews
Speaker 3: just helps wash that out of the system early on.
Speaker 3: Instead of lingering, he's got to just make it all
Speaker 3: about Mike Rogers all the time. We got to get
Speaker 3: an add up about Mike Rodgers, got to be talking
Speaker 3: about Mike Rodgers, got to be talking about Mike Rodgers,
Speaker 3: and Trump just don't like you have to answer the
Speaker 3: questions from the press. But and I think he's done
Speaker 3: a pretty good job of this in these interviews. This
Speaker 3: is immediately pivot to Mike Rodgers, the pivotmrcrat. It is
Speaker 3: the same thing we had in Maine where it was
Speaker 3: all Graham Platner for a year and nothing about Susan Collins,
Speaker 3: and then as soon as Trey Jackson got in the race,
Speaker 3: you can really make it about Susan Collins. I think
Speaker 3: Abdul has got to do that. There should probably think
Speaker 3: of some high profile ways to do it. He could
Speaker 3: give a speech that sort of lays out the case
Speaker 3: against Mike Rodgers. You could use an ad or a
Speaker 3: video to do it. I think we'll look at one
Speaker 3: of these videos shortly. But it's just like that is
Speaker 3: the task, and it's there's a you could there's always
Speaker 3: a fear of overcomplicating these tasks because Abdul has very
Speaker 3: big visions for politics, very big visions for policy. But
Speaker 3: right now we need people to focus on who Mike
Speaker 3: Rodgers is, why he's bad, and how how much he's
Speaker 3: in Donald Trump's pocket.
Speaker 2: And I also think as he does that the images
Speaker 2: of a and the settings where he is is going
Speaker 2: to be important too. And I think he just needs
Speaker 2: to go to all the places in Michigan where maybe
Speaker 2: he didn't do as well on the primary, and like
Speaker 2: there's a duel with older people, there's a duel with
Speaker 2: more older white men and working class folks and black
Speaker 2: folks in Detroit, and like all the constituencies that supported
Speaker 2: him in the primary, like he's he's got those, He's
Speaker 2: got those folks. And as he is talking about how
Speaker 2: Mike Rogers has let down Michigan and Donald Trump has
Speaker 2: let down Michigan and will continue to do that, he
Speaker 2: should be around the kind of voters that you wouldn't
Speaker 2: think Abdul would be able to attract. I think that's
Speaker 2: probably important too.
Speaker 3: I think that that's that's the thing that I believe.
Speaker 3: They did so many podcasts about this race on Wednesday,
Speaker 3: but it is you never saw in the primary Abdul
Speaker 3: campaign do anything that was counterintuitive in terms of who
Speaker 3: supported him. Yeah, like where you know, you like, it's
Speaker 3: a classic thing. But he says all the time that
Speaker 3: these three time Trump voters come to his events and
Speaker 3: say they're supporting him. Put them in an ad. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: get to the rural areas, and he did a lot
Speaker 3: of part of it what breaks through and one of
Speaker 3: the reasons why he actually won is because he performed
Speaker 3: better than people thought he could in the upper peninsul
Speaker 3: of Michigan and because he went to that. He did
Speaker 3: four hundred and fifty campaign events, so he was doing
Speaker 3: town halls in some of these places. But that stuff
Speaker 3: just didn't get as much attention as campaigning with AOC,
Speaker 3: campaigning with Bernie, the big rallies and so just you know,
Speaker 3: kind of getting a load of the ground and doing
Speaker 3: more that stuff will be helpful.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and I would not I would stop campaigning
Speaker 2: with the streamers and maybe some And here's the thing,
Speaker 2: I don't actually think, you know, this is not a
Speaker 2: like he should campaign with the Republicans who elected Republicans
Speaker 2: who were for him, or who used to be Republicans
Speaker 2: that are now Democrats, like because I think people just
Speaker 2: don't tend to trust politicians in general, right, with the
Speaker 2: exception of like, yes, of course we talked about this yesterday,
Speaker 2: that he should like bring out Obama towards the end
Speaker 2: of the race, and people like that. But I think
Speaker 2: it's the vote. It's the voters that you're seeing with
Speaker 2: that are most important. Right, Like we're going to laugh
Speaker 2: saying this, but it's axrod always told Obama like, you
Speaker 2: got to be close to the ground, right, because you've
Speaker 2: got to be with the voters, with crowds of people
Speaker 2: in small settings, in places where again it's unexpected, and
Speaker 2: then say the thing that's going to break through about
Speaker 2: Mike Rodgers or about Trump, so that when you get covered,
Speaker 2: you have that backdrop. So the outside groups are also
Speaker 2: starting up their messaging efforts. We played the nrsc's first
Speaker 2: ad in the Bonus episode that dropped on Wednesday, set
Speaker 2: up Majority Pack, one of the mainstream democratic groups is
Speaker 2: countering with, among other things, this ad.
Speaker 10: There comes a time in life when things start to
Speaker 10: slow down, when you just don't have the same energy
Speaker 10: you had twenty years ago. But there's a way to
Speaker 10: bring some excitement back.
Speaker 11: What has not helped is the fact that the United
Speaker 11: States hasn't strongly said that military intervention is still on
Speaker 11: the table.
Speaker 10: Introducing endless war from MIC.
Speaker 9: Side effects may include death, economic hardship, and global instability.
Speaker 3: Some patients have reported fuel shortages, which may cause inflation.
Speaker 3: Endless war has not been proven to make Americans any safer.
Speaker 10: Ask your doctor if endless war is right for you.
Speaker 2: It's funny, it's clever, it's great.
Speaker 3: The log line of this ad should be the war
Speaker 3: and Iran gives Mike Rogers a four hour erection.
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be the that would be the that
Speaker 2: would be turning up the dial one one more.
Speaker 3: I actually I think that is great because it's never
Speaker 3: gonna err on TV. It's for viral purposes only. You
Speaker 3: gotta turn it up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good for cent a majority pack. You know,
Speaker 2: it's great.
Speaker 4: It's great.
Speaker 2: It looks like those establishment hills can you know, can
Speaker 2: come through once in a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is There is a very smart, clever person
Speaker 3: somewhere in the digital department who had this idea, and
Speaker 3: I really applaud the leadership for letting this idea see
Speaker 3: the light of day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was great. So Trump didn't just mention Abdul
Speaker 2: in Vegas. He also told the crowd that quote, the
Speaker 2: communists in Wisconsin have a woman who wants Thanksgiving abolished
Speaker 2: and says police exists to uphold white supremacy. He was speaking,
Speaker 2: of course, about Francesca Hong, who I interviewed on Tuesday show.
Speaker 2: Later you'll hear Dan's interview with her primary opponent, David Crowley,
Speaker 2: who was mounted a last ditch effort along with Governor
Speaker 2: Tony Evers to beat the front runner in Tuesday's big primary.
Speaker 2: Evers told reporters on Thursday that someone who has to
Speaker 2: spend all their time explaining old tweets doesn't have a
Speaker 2: very good shot at winning. Crowley has also circulated a
Speaker 2: polling memo arguing that the race is closer than people think,
Speaker 2: drawing some comparisons in that memo to some of the
Speaker 2: polls in Michigan, the primary polls that sort of over
Speaker 2: estimated Abdual support in that race and drew parallels in
Speaker 2: some of the Wisconsin pulling. I know you spoke to
Speaker 2: Crowley thoughts on his chances and how the race is closing,
Speaker 2: and that polling memo.
Speaker 3: It's hard to say how the race is closing because,
Speaker 3: as Michigan taught us, we really are flying blind here
Speaker 3: and no real idea, and because it's even hard to
Speaker 3: decouple exactly why the polls were all wrong. Like there's
Speaker 3: John Cohen, who was a polling guy. I talked to
Speaker 3: this on Puller Coatsay, But he's a polling guy for
Speaker 3: the posts. He worked at survey Monkey. Now he's got
Speaker 3: his own firm, but he went through and analyzed all
Speaker 3: the polls. And the short version is they're all different.
Speaker 3: They're all wrong for different reasons.
Speaker 2: Cool, cool, Cool.
Speaker 3: It's not like one clear error. There's some where they
Speaker 3: misjudged how much mail was in the place, there's some
Speaker 3: that would that oversampled younger, all kinds of different reasons.
Speaker 3: So it's very confusing to know, which means that we
Speaker 3: don't really know what's happening in Wisconsin. It is possible
Speaker 3: that one point that that was made in this is
Speaker 3: that all of the polls except one in Michigan were
Speaker 3: online text to text to web poles, and so that
Speaker 3: those poles do have a potential for get over sampling
Speaker 3: more educated, more engaged voters that may have benefited Abdul
Speaker 3: that the same thing could be the city you get
Speaker 3: to get the same pop situation in Wisconsin in those poles. Now,
Speaker 3: Hong is leading by a lot more in these polls
Speaker 3: than Abdulah, so even a polling error of the same
Speaker 3: size would still have her winning by double digits. But
Speaker 3: Crowley's memo is interesting because they basically maps the polling
Speaker 3: to the the turnout by age in the twenty eighteen
Speaker 3: and twenty twenty two Wisconsin primaries, And if you do
Speaker 3: that with their polls, it gets you to thirty two
Speaker 3: thirty two. We'll see, so hard to know. There has
Speaker 3: been a lot of attention for the last week on
Speaker 3: Hong and her her comments, her response to comments you
Speaker 3: have Bernie Sanders to you on our Wednesday night pod
Speaker 3: saying that he's not endorsing her real questions about her electability. So,
Speaker 3: if there is an actual opportunity for this race to close,
Speaker 3: and Crowley has the resources to actually pull this off,
Speaker 3: it's happening in the right political envi for him. But
Speaker 3: it may be too little, too late.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I have to be honest, like, I
Speaker 2: have more doubts about Han's ability to win the general
Speaker 2: than maybe almost any other candidate we've talked about. I
Speaker 2: could be wrong, you know. I mean, I'm not telling
Speaker 2: anyone how to vote, but I just I want to
Speaker 2: make sure everyone in Wisconsin is, you know, clear about
Speaker 2: the risks here, like even not knowing anything else. She's
Speaker 2: running as a Democratic Socialist in a state that Donald
Speaker 2: Trump won twice, one of the closest, most competitive states
Speaker 2: in the country. She has advocated for abolishing prisons and
Speaker 2: the police, who, she said, as Trump mentioned, exists to
Speaker 2: uphold white supremacy. And then I mean, you heard my
Speaker 2: interview with her, like when I gave her the chance
Speaker 2: to walk back those statements, she kind of did, but
Speaker 2: she also gave like, at best, a muddled answer where
Speaker 2: she talked about like having met with justice impacted individuals,
Speaker 2: which is not a phrase people use. There's the Bernie thing.
Speaker 2: They're like, it's just you know, just just today, Zorn
Speaker 2: Mamdani was in at some event in New York and
Speaker 2: was asked what part of the DSA platforms that he
Speaker 2: disagrees with, and immediately, immediately, very clearly, he said, oh,
Speaker 2: I break from them on public safety because we need
Speaker 2: our police force, and we need our prisons. We need
Speaker 2: public safety. Clear like right, out of the gate and
Speaker 2: if you're gonna have taken those positions in the past. Right, Again,
Speaker 2: it's not about like you have bad tweets. It's not
Speaker 2: just about the Thanksgiving thing. We've all heard about that.
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna have those tweets, then like you
Speaker 2: kind of need a pretty clear answer of why you've
Speaker 2: evolved since then, how your views have changed. You either say,
Speaker 2: oh I met with people, I changed my mind, whatever else,
Speaker 2: and like it just doesn't. I do not have the
Speaker 2: confidence when I listened to her answers that she is
Speaker 2: going to be able to win an incredibly tough state.
Speaker 2: You know. Now again, maybe she will, maybe she'll improve
Speaker 2: as it can, but makes me a little nervous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like what I like to say questions what electability is.
Speaker 3: Electability is an unknowable concept because the candidates who win
Speaker 3: are always elected on the candidates or lose are unelectable,
Speaker 3: and it's so it's all theory. It's a self fulfilling
Speaker 3: theoretical concept. However, you can make some educated guesses on
Speaker 3: which candidate might be better. Those guesses could be wrong,
Speaker 3: but you can look at the partisanship of the state,
Speaker 3: a candidate's skills they're where their issue agenda maps to
Speaker 3: the state. Are they within the mainstream and the state.
Speaker 3: Outside of the mainstream and the state, there's a pretty
Speaker 3: fair amount of pulling, which shows that, particularly in swing states,
Speaker 3: the label of democratic socialism is a anvil on your candidacy.
Speaker 2: Which again which she embraces right, Like, it's not it's
Speaker 2: not like she's being tagged DSA unfairly or whatever. Like
Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, I'm running as a Democratic socialist, ye.
Speaker 3: And so like, obviously this is up to the people
Speaker 3: of Wisconsin. They will side and then everyone ourselves included,
Speaker 3: everything we can to nominee win, whether that's whether that's
Speaker 3: Hong or Crowley. But yeah, I don't think anyone is
Speaker 3: wrong to be concerned that she is likely to is
Speaker 3: a steeper hill for her to climb in what is
Speaker 3: going to be a very very tough race than someone else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I've also heard people say, well, she's
Speaker 2: you know, why is she so far ahead in the polls,
Speaker 2: And clearly she's like run an inspiring campaign that's attracted
Speaker 2: a lot of support. I think that is that is true, clearly,
Speaker 2: But it's also been an unusually calm primary like the
Speaker 2: last debate. They didn't really go after her or each
Speaker 2: other that much, like for various reasons, whatever it may be,
Speaker 2: that's just it certainly was not like the Hailey Stevens
Speaker 2: Abdul lsa ED primary, where they kind of previewed Hailey
Speaker 2: Stephens previewed some of the attacks that Abdul might get,
Speaker 2: and Abdul, you know, certainly attacked her as well. But
Speaker 2: like this one has been kind of quiet in Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: so she has not had to face what she surely
Speaker 2: will face from the Republican Party who are just sitting
Speaker 2: there and like getting excited about about a general election.
Speaker 2: So the stuff that everyone's bringing up now, it's not like,
Speaker 2: you know, just nervous Democrats are doing it just for
Speaker 2: fun or just to be mean or whatever. It's because
Speaker 2: it's definitely coming from Republicans and she just hasn't faced
Speaker 2: it yet.
Speaker 3: Sure, Keypine has clearly caught fire. She has inspired people.
Speaker 3: She's to have been much more inspiring than all the
Speaker 3: other candidates who were running. I mean, Crowley had to
Speaker 3: drop out of the race originally, yes, and then came
Speaker 3: back in the race. And I do like you and
Speaker 3: I as political professionals can look at this and make
Speaker 3: this assessment of why we think someone is more electable
Speaker 3: than someone isn't. If you're just a regular voter in
Speaker 3: Wisconsin who is hurting, who is frustrated, You're angry at
Speaker 3: the establishment, your finances are hurt, and you have this
Speaker 3: inspiring candidate who has a very powerful personal story of
Speaker 3: politics and offering this progressive agenda, I fully understand why
Speaker 3: they would back that person. And I understand why be
Speaker 3: skept of either people like us or Governor Torni Evers,
Speaker 3: who has said publicly that she does not think she
Speaker 3: can win. Why you would not take that to the bank,
Speaker 3: because these people have told you in election after election
Speaker 3: to put aside what you want for something else because
Speaker 3: that gives his a better chance of winning. And then
Speaker 3: those candidates lose. And so I like, this is not
Speaker 3: what you were doing. But there's no real upside in
Speaker 3: yelling the voters for making a decision that I understand
Speaker 3: why they come to that decision, even if I think
Speaker 3: it maybe makes it less likely they get the outcome
Speaker 3: they want in the end because of the politics.
Speaker 4: Of the state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like, I know you're saying that, but I'm
Speaker 2: certainly not yelling at anyone I'm just saying, you're informing
Speaker 2: them if you have not gone to if you have
Speaker 2: not gone to the ballot box yet, just you know,
Speaker 2: do some research on this, think about this, because this
Speaker 2: is not and like and I'm the same person who
Speaker 2: made an argument for Abdul in the Michigan primary who's
Speaker 2: the left candidate, And I've done so in many other
Speaker 2: cases as well, and this is the one that really
Speaker 2: rings some bells for me, raises some alarms. Whatever the
Speaker 2: bad man.
Speaker 3: And just so that people understand the stakes, the Tom Tiffany,
Speaker 3: the Republican, is an election denier who would then be
Speaker 3: governor of Wisconsin when they are certifying the votes of
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty eight presidential election. And Wisconsin, as I've
Speaker 3: said before, as a state that's been decided by one
Speaker 3: point five of the last seven presidential elections, so it'll
Speaker 3: be right within the insurrection zone most likely.
Speaker 2: And for the people of Wisconsin too, you have a
Speaker 2: chance in twenty twenty six to have a Democratic trifecta
Speaker 2: in the state of Wisconsin for the first time. So
Speaker 2: aside from just like stopping stopping the steal in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty eight, like, there's just a chance to have a
Speaker 2: democratic governor and democratic legislature to get a lot of
Speaker 2: shit done for that, like going to make people's lives
Speaker 2: better in Wisconsin, which is amazing.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So between Abdul and Hung there's been a lot
Speaker 2: of consternation among more moderate Democrats this week. I just
Speaker 2: heard some. Then there's the centrisk group Third Way, which
Speaker 2: took that up a notch on Thursday with an announcement
Speaker 2: in the New York Times that they're planning to spend
Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars between now and twenty twenty eight too
Speaker 2: quote discredit Democratic Socialism. The group's president, John Cowen said
Speaker 2: they are preparing for war and that while the effort
Speaker 2: won't go after individual candidates, it will involve opera research
Speaker 2: into the DSA. What do you think, Dan, good use
Speaker 2: of time and money, John.
Speaker 3: There are many reasons why the DSA has gained prominence
Speaker 3: in recent years. One of those is that Democrats feel
Speaker 3: let down by the money establishment in our party. And
Speaker 3: so it's hard for me to believe that the money
Speaker 3: to establishment announcing in the New York Times a fifteen
Speaker 3: million dollar campaign against the DSA is going to do
Speaker 3: anything other than reinforce the DSA's argument about where the
Speaker 3: Democratic Party is failing, that it's voters. It is counterproductive.
Speaker 3: It is going to add best case scenario, it's lighting
Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars. It could be used to recruit and
Speaker 3: train candidates for grassroots orizing lighting that on fire. That's
Speaker 3: best case naro. Most likely case scenario to me is
Speaker 3: it just strengthen the DSA's hand. It's just I just
Speaker 3: do not understand it. You know, when I talk to
Speaker 3: Amanda Littman, who runs Run for Something, which is one
Speaker 3: of the most important organizations the Democotic Party, a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago, I think she told me her yearly budget
Speaker 3: is seven million dollars. So think about what else that
Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars could go to.
Speaker 2: It's wild and like, you know, I know that Matt
Speaker 2: Bennett third Way sort of responded to you and said,
Speaker 2: and he's fronted to me and was like, we're also
Speaker 2: supporting candidates, and we have a think tank and we
Speaker 2: have some exciting ideas. It's like and that that may
Speaker 2: well be true, but that's not what anyone's hearing about.
Speaker 2: When there's a story pitch to The New York Times
Speaker 2: about a fifteen million dollar plan to go to war
Speaker 2: with the DSA, you know, I just like, that's that's
Speaker 2: what's that's what you're choosing to have breakthrough. I just
Speaker 2: think that the whole the whole plan here from the
Speaker 2: from the centrists is it feels very an nachronistic old
Speaker 2: school like if you don't like DSA and your war.
Speaker 2: And it's not just DSA, because there's they're talking about
Speaker 2: Democratic Socialist of America besides Francesca Hung who we just
Speaker 2: talked about a lot of these A lot of what
Speaker 2: they've been going to war against is democrats who aren't DSA,
Speaker 2: who they just believe are too far left and is
Speaker 2: particularly in Israel, yes, and then some other issues as well,
Speaker 2: but so like and then they call it the in
Speaker 2: the in the piece, they call it the DSA dodge,
Speaker 2: which is candidates who explicitly aren't running as DSA candidates
Speaker 2: but still seem too far left for them. So they're
Speaker 2: like tagging those candidates with it too. But it's like
Speaker 2: and then and they're talking about opera research and the
Speaker 2: DSA platform, like the DSA platform. Who's running on the
Speaker 2: fucking national DSA platform. How many candidates are actually in
Speaker 2: America running on the DSA platform, Like none of the
Speaker 2: you know, Mamdani was breaking with a lot of the
Speaker 2: DSA platform. He was like the big DSA person AOC
Speaker 2: is not DSA. Like it's if you don't like the left,
Speaker 2: go after or make an argument against the policies that
Speaker 2: people on the left are proposing that you don't think
Speaker 2: are popular or the right policy or whatever. Like if
Speaker 2: you're upset about medicare for all, talk about medicare for all.
Speaker 2: If you don't like abolishing ice, talk about abolishing ice.
Speaker 2: If you have a problem with the Israel policy, talk
Speaker 2: about the policy. But the tendency of a lot of
Speaker 2: centrists to just like attack DSA and this it's just
Speaker 2: it's really I think it's totally counterproductive, totally kind of productive.
Speaker 3: If you believe as I do, that we need to
Speaker 3: have a big ten party that includes a bunch of
Speaker 3: candidates who are to the right of me personally and
Speaker 3: probably the right to a lot of Democrats and less
Speaker 3: of the show to be able to win in states
Speaker 3: like Montana, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Arkansas, right, if we need
Speaker 3: to be able to ever get to the place where
Speaker 3: you have a government majority, we're going to need a
Speaker 3: very big tent that has a bunch of people with
Speaker 3: views we don't agree with on all of them. Don't
Speaker 3: agree with all their views. If you believe that, you
Speaker 3: believe that we will if we just keep it nominating
Speaker 3: candidates too liberal for the states, that we will keep
Speaker 3: losing those states. What you need to do is you
Speaker 3: need to instead of telling voters that their choice is
Speaker 3: wrong or stupid, you have to give them another better choice.
Speaker 3: And so therefore you need a You need candidates. You
Speaker 3: need ideas that speak to the exact things that are
Speaker 3: fueling the rise of these DSA candidates livid anger at
Speaker 3: the establishment. I don't just mean Chuck Schumer, n A,
Speaker 3: Keim Jeffries. I mean the political, economic, cultural establishment of
Speaker 3: this country, of a political economic system that has let
Speaker 3: them down. You need candidate who can speak to with
Speaker 3: real ideas that mean something to people, talk to speak
Speaker 3: to their economic pain. Right, you need to be like
Speaker 3: you have to actually, what Third Way is trying to
Speaker 3: do here, which is just I think, is they are
Speaker 3: trying they are trying to treat the symptoms and not
Speaker 3: the cause. If you believe that this is a huge problem,
Speaker 3: they're going about the exact what they are going to
Speaker 3: do is, I think, have the exact opposite effect of
Speaker 3: what they want. I just just at a time in which,
Speaker 3: if you talk to anyone who's running grassries organizations right now,
Speaker 3: big donors to the Democratic Party are not giving to
Speaker 3: Democratic Party infstructure the way they had before. They are
Speaker 3: scared of Trump. They're pissed about twenty twenty four. They
Speaker 3: think their money was let on fire by super PACs
Speaker 3: who spend a billion dollars in ads, and so they
Speaker 3: are not funding the sort of groups to the level
Speaker 3: they were in Trump one point zero, like groups like
Speaker 3: Run for Something, Swing Left v to say of America,
Speaker 3: those sorts of groups. And so the fact that this
Speaker 3: one group is that come into fifteen million dollars going
Speaker 3: to spend it on this instead of the things we
Speaker 3: actually need to win races and build power in this
Speaker 3: country and a fight back against Trump, is just so infuriating.
Speaker 2: Also, there's a lot of other groups, and some of
Speaker 2: them are new, like more center left, modern groups whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it, who've been working to like
Speaker 2: recruit and help and train some of the candidates who
Speaker 2: are frontline candidates who are you know, further to the
Speaker 2: right than most people in the audience. Right They're they're
Speaker 2: running all over the country right now, and there's some
Speaker 2: good there and like no problem with them, and some
Speaker 2: of them are really great exciting young candidates like do that.
Speaker 2: But third way, in particular, like over the last year,
Speaker 2: like eighty percent of the time I've heard them come up,
Speaker 2: it's when they've been yelling about fucking Hassan Piker and
Speaker 2: Zora Mumdani And it's just like, is that what you
Speaker 2: want to be known for? Like just yelling about Hassan
Speaker 2: fucking Piker all the time, Like that's what they like
Speaker 2: had their big splashy Wall Street Journal op ed about it,
Speaker 2: and then they yelled about it again and they're still
Speaker 2: yelling about It's just like enough, Just talk about what
Speaker 2: you're for, talk about your vision, talk about your policies,
Speaker 2: talk about some exciting candidates. Try to have that breakthrough.
Speaker 2: So we talked on Tuesday show about the abuse allegations
Speaker 2: against Ohio House Republican Max Miller, the former son in
Speaker 2: law of Senator Bernie Moreno. H somehow things have gotten
Speaker 2: even worse. Miller refused to drop out in an utterly
Speaker 2: bizarre interview with Jake Tapper, who opened the conversation by
Speaker 2: asking about an allegation that Senator Moreno had recently made
Speaker 2: which is that Miller had recently held his daughter's favorite
Speaker 2: blue Bunny stuffed animal hostage. Miller denied the allegation and
Speaker 2: told Moreno to please stop the lies. But Mother Jones's
Speaker 2: Abby Vasulis, who's covered the story in depth, reported on Thursday,
Speaker 2: then Miller's alleged withholding of the bunny was quote part
Speaker 2: of a pattern of behavior and not a single incident.
Speaker 2: And she goes through it's like a fucking year and
Speaker 2: a half of Max Miller trying to withhold this bunny
Speaker 2: from his daughter. It's like, it's it. I can't even
Speaker 2: believe I'm saying the words. It's like such a fucked
Speaker 2: up story. Here's a clip from Miller's interview with Jake
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, so you see what we're talking about.
Speaker 12: This is nothing more than an individual who's being politically
Speaker 12: vindictive and talking about a blue bunny. If any of
Speaker 12: these things were true, Jake, a judge would have taken
Speaker 12: our baby girl out of my hands. What you have
Speaker 12: is a very sadly politically motivated scenario to where you know,
Speaker 12: people want to see me go away.
Speaker 11: There is a police report from the suspected child abuse
Speaker 11: incident in February involving your daughter, and that report details
Speaker 11: that the child protection team says that your child had
Speaker 11: to write classical fracture and quote a bruise that accompanies
Speaker 11: the injury that appears to be in a handprint and
Speaker 11: appears to have been inflicted unquote. Now, your ex wife
Speaker 11: stated to police that your child told her in the
Speaker 11: days leading up to the discovery of the injury, quote
Speaker 11: daddy kill you. Can you explain why your child may
Speaker 11: have said those things?
Speaker 12: Jick, I wish you could talk to my beautiful baby girl.
Speaker 12: She can't string together sentences like that. She's two and
Speaker 12: a half years old.
Speaker 4: She doesn't have.
Speaker 12: The ability to articulate any of what you just said.
Speaker 12: That is an entire fabrication of the truth. I have
Speaker 12: actual video, actual documentation.
Speaker 11: Didn't you just tell me that to invest that she
Speaker 11: had said that she was scared to go to mommy's house?
Speaker 2: She knows and I have video of it.
Speaker 11: But now you're saying that she's not capable of saying
Speaker 11: daddy kill you. I mean, it seems like she's either
Speaker 11: because able to say one but not the other.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense, Jake, to.
Speaker 12: Be very direct, this is incredibly disturbing.
Speaker 2: My first thought when I when I first saw this,
Speaker 2: was like, this little girl is going to grow up
Speaker 2: and like this is going to be on the internet.
Speaker 2: This is like in the public. It's just I cannot
Speaker 2: believe that a father would like bring this into the
Speaker 2: public sphere to talk about in any way, shape or form,
Speaker 2: as opposed to just staying quiet, dropping out doing whatever
Speaker 2: it is is. It is evil.
Speaker 3: It is basically sociopathic. Yeah, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 3: if your boys had like a thing they had sleep
Speaker 3: with hat.
Speaker 2: I mean, we we have put a fucking air tag
Speaker 2: in bear Bear and I once, I once like drove
Speaker 2: to Charlie's school at night to try to locate it
Speaker 2: because he had forgotten it at school. If we, like,
Speaker 2: if we flew somewhere as a family and forgot bear
Speaker 2: Bear when we landed, Emily or I would be like
Speaker 2: have to get on a plane to go back to
Speaker 2: Los Angeles to get them to get the bear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jack, who's five now, but he had he still
Speaker 3: sleeps with But it's kitty Cat, which is a kitty cat.
Speaker 3: And at once we were in a hotel and I
Speaker 3: didn't take it out of the bed before housekeeping came
Speaker 3: and they took all the sheets.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 3: And the efforts that we just we went to to
Speaker 3: try to be kitty Cat returned safe and sound. But
Speaker 3: just the idea, like.
Speaker 2: People who don't have kids, who are listening, like, I
Speaker 2: know you think we sound crazy, but like when you
Speaker 2: have kids, it is it is.
Speaker 3: It is like it's their whole world.
Speaker 2: It's just it is.
Speaker 3: There is the thing that gives them comfort. It's the
Speaker 3: thing they want when they sleep, it's the thing they
Speaker 3: want when they're upset, when they get hurt, they get
Speaker 3: that thing. And the idea that a parent would hold
Speaker 3: that hostage is a point of leverage over their estrange
Speaker 3: spouse is psychotic. It is someone like, it is soulless behavior.
Speaker 3: It's truly. The whole thing is the whole thing is horrifying.
Speaker 3: It's horrifying for this girl. Just the idea that this
Speaker 3: fucking asshole wants to be in Congress so much that
Speaker 3: he's putting his family through this, putting his daughter, his
Speaker 3: two and a half year old daughter through this is
Speaker 3: it's horrifying. It's fucking horrifying.
Speaker 2: Trump was asked again today Thursday in the Oval if
Speaker 2: he called on Miller to drop out again. He said,
Speaker 2: I'm not getting involved. Trump owns anything. Mike Johnson is like, oh,
Speaker 2: it'll go through the Ethics Committee. A bunch of Republican senators,
Speaker 2: to their credit, I guess because their colleagues with Bernie Marino,
Speaker 2: have all called on him to drop out and said that.
Speaker 2: You know, I just said Tim Shee from Montana be like,
Speaker 2: He's this is disgusting, Like what you doing. So you
Speaker 2: got a bunch of Republican senators calling to drop out,
Speaker 2: but like you're not seeing it in the House of course,
Speaker 2: or from Mike Johnson or from Donald Trump. And this
Speaker 2: guy is just gonna I mean, do you think he
Speaker 2: drops out? Do you think he do you think Democrats
Speaker 2: have a chance of beating him?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 3: I hope so Democrats very much have a chance of
Speaker 3: beating him. So this is the district that Trump won
Speaker 3: by eleven. He has until Monday to get off the ballot.
Speaker 3: If it happens after Monday, then the county chairs cannot
Speaker 3: replace him on the ballot. And so there was a poll.
Speaker 3: This hole is put up a Republican firm because the
Speaker 3: people who want to win the republic want their republics
Speaker 3: to keep the majority really won him off the race,
Speaker 3: but that poll had John Poindexter, the Democrat, winning by
Speaker 3: fourteen points. Last week they had Pointdexter up by five points,
Speaker 3: so and that eighty seven percent of people in the
Speaker 3: district were aware of their allows. So yes, I think
Speaker 3: if Miller stays in this Democrats, I think this would
Speaker 3: be most likely be a flip. And that's in a
Speaker 3: Trump eleven district.
Speaker 2: Good fuck him, But honestly, losing is not enough the guy,
Speaker 2: but Tommy said this on Tuesday, but he should be
Speaker 2: in jail. Miller isn't the only House Republican in trouble
Speaker 2: this week. North Carolina is Chuck Edwards, also in the House,
Speaker 2: has ended his re election campaign in a very competitive
Speaker 2: seat after the House Ethics Committee released a twenty five
Speaker 2: page report finding that he engaged in quote persistent, unprofessional
Speaker 2: and inappropriate conduct towards two young female staffers that includes
Speaker 2: quote lavish and recurrent gifts, making comments regarding the staffers
Speaker 2: appearance and dress, inviting them to intimate dinners and vacations,
Speaker 2: and sending notes regarding his effusive affection some examples. This
Speaker 2: has been reported by Axios some great original reporting there
Speaker 2: giving the staffers each a personalized handgun, one pink and
Speaker 2: one blue, telling one of the staffers in a goodbye
Speaker 2: note that she'd quote written a complex chapter in my
Speaker 2: heart and ending a staff for a custom jigsaw puzzle that,
Speaker 2: once solved, revealed an invitation to dinner and an Adam
Speaker 2: Sandler show. Edwards, who has been married since nineteen eighty,
Speaker 2: maintained that nothing inappropriate or sexual took place. What kind
Speaker 2: of what kind of message would you would you send
Speaker 2: in a in a custom puzzle?
Speaker 3: Damn, I've actually john you supressed. I thought about this
Speaker 3: for a long time.
Speaker 2: Do you wondered how I can.
Speaker 3: Deliver this message to you? And I figured I now
Speaker 3: realized that puzzle is the best way to do it,
Speaker 3: and this would be a puzzle. You'd put it together.
Speaker 3: What you would see is your phone. It's on your
Speaker 3: phone to the grass the Twitter app on the bottom.
Speaker 3: Party would say discretion is the better part of valor.
Speaker 2: I didn't even I didn't even know this was out
Speaker 2: there till till it happened.
Speaker 3: There's been a it's been a very busy week of
Speaker 3: Republican assholes doing terrible things, and so I'm not surprised
Speaker 3: the custom puzzle didn't hit your radar?
Speaker 2: Are we going to Is this a this is gonna
Speaker 2: be ademocratic pickup?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: Yes? Actually this is is a swing seat. And there's
Speaker 3: a very strong Democratic candidate here. I think his name
Speaker 3: is Jimmie Aker. The Jennifer Palmery actually mentioned to me
Speaker 3: when I talked to her about long play. Oh nice,
Speaker 3: not exciting Democratic candidates.
Speaker 2: Okay, great well, Chuck Edwards, good riddance. All right, One
Speaker 2: more item to discuss Tucker twenty twenty eight. It has begun.
Speaker 2: On Saturday, newlywed Marjorie Taylor Green posted a photo with
Speaker 2: her husband and Thomas Massey, Joe Kent, the guy who
Speaker 2: had quit the Trump administration over Iran, the national security guy.
Speaker 2: They were all gathered around a table at Tucker Carlson's
Speaker 2: compound in Maine. MTG's caption said Trump betrayed his no
Speaker 2: more foreign Wars promise and that quote the movement has begun.
Speaker 2: Kent later told the Young Turks, as one does, that
Speaker 2: a third party was in the works and that they
Speaker 2: were trying to convince Tucker to run in twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 2: but so far he has said he won't. On Tuesday,
Speaker 2: Tucker reposted MTG's photo with the caption Maga was trade
Speaker 2: we all were, It's time for a new path forward.
Speaker 2: He then told people to tune into his Wednesday episode
Speaker 2: where he laid out his ten point vision for America.
Speaker 2: Sounds pretty, sounds pretty. I'm going to run in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty eight. What do you think though? Trial balloon, total bluff,
Speaker 2: something real.
Speaker 3: A weird time to announce this, but early next year,
Speaker 3: I have we be taking a leave of absence to
Speaker 3: work on ballot access for this group, because I think
Speaker 3: this is exactly what we want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're talking about a unity ticket. They
Speaker 2: want they want like someone on the left. They want
Speaker 2: a left populace and a right popular.
Speaker 3: I think the left populace would be Well, here's.
Speaker 2: The thing, like when you look at did you I
Speaker 2: don't know, if you looked at Tucker's ten point vision.
Speaker 3: I did not know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So there's some of the stuff that we have, you know,
Speaker 2: played him saying and maybe even agreed with on you know,
Speaker 2: anti war, anti war in Iran, especially Epstein file stuff.
Speaker 2: But then there's the like you know, the low Then
Speaker 2: then then there's the sort of there's the Maha stuff
Speaker 2: in there. There's like low birth rate and then there's
Speaker 2: like no more immigrants. Well we will, we wait and
Speaker 2: figure out what's going on. So I just think that
Speaker 2: there's I think that you know, a lot of more
Speaker 2: moderate types, establishment types believe in horseshoe theory, and I
Speaker 2: think in some areas horseshoe theory is correct. But I
Speaker 2: think that some of the far rights views, particularly on immigration,
Speaker 2: are just going to be anathema to even the most
Speaker 2: left wing folks.
Speaker 3: And to be in all, I made a joke about
Speaker 3: aout access to explain why I would be doing that,
Speaker 3: just to be clear, Like there's been there's been a
Speaker 3: lot of talk of Tucker Carlson being a formidable presidential
Speaker 3: candidate because of his media skills, because he maybe because
Speaker 3: male was media skills. He that is, was always under
Speaker 3: the assumption he would be a the Republican nominee. Tucker
Speaker 3: Carlson a third party candidate is a gift to Democrats
Speaker 3: like you cannot imagine, because it's he's going here. There
Speaker 3: aren't a lot of potential John as Off, aoc Kamala Harris,
Speaker 3: Gavin Us, some Josh Shapiro voters who're voting for Tucker Crlson.
Speaker 3: But there are a lot of disillusion Trump twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four voters who might vote for Tucker Carlson. Yes, that's
Speaker 3: how you win. So that would be very good news,
Speaker 3: Like we should encourage this. This would be great. It
Speaker 3: is even if it's unlikely to come to fruition. Balt
Speaker 3: Axis is very very hard to get. It takes. None
Speaker 3: of these people seem like actual nuts and bolted doer types.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a bunch of idea guys. But it
Speaker 3: it does speak to how much the Maca coalition has
Speaker 3: truly fractured under trump second term, right because of Epstein,
Speaker 3: proparentally because of the war, that there are these incredibly
Speaker 3: prominent people with large audiences who have soured on Trump
Speaker 3: and it doesn't show up in the polling, because the
Speaker 3: polling as if there are maga voters and mega voters
Speaker 3: to voters meets Trump voters, and so once you stop
Speaker 3: being a Trump Republican, you stop telling posters you're a
Speaker 3: mega voter. So but it is like there's a real
Speaker 3: split here and Trump is losing control of the coalition
Speaker 3: that elected him, and that's good news for Democrats too.
Speaker 2: I found it interesting in relation to Vance, because when
Speaker 2: I took a look at Tucker's ten point vision for America,
Speaker 2: a lot of the policies and a lot of the
Speaker 2: things he was saying are our views that JD. Vance
Speaker 2: has espoused in some way over the last several years
Speaker 2: in post MAGA transformation. And I also found interesting the
Speaker 2: Washington Post story Thursday that reported Trumps a few weeks
Speaker 2: ago told a bunch of donors in the Oval office,
Speaker 2: which wild plays for donors, just sitting in the Oval office,
Speaker 2: he told them the quote, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: we need to elect JD. So then, and the story
Speaker 2: also said that one advisor has told the Post that
Speaker 2: he settled on JD now and that a bunch of
Speaker 2: other advisors say no, no, no, he's still He's still
Speaker 2: working it out between j D and Rubio. And then
Speaker 2: he was just asked Thursday in the Oval about this story.
Speaker 2: He said, did you say that? Is that true about JD?
Speaker 2: And he said no, so he denied it. But I
Speaker 2: do think that JD. Vance is eyeing the Tucker movement
Speaker 2: here and is probably trying to mend fences, or at
Speaker 2: some point we'll try to mend fences with Tucker, to
Speaker 2: try to head this off, and you know JD. Vance
Speaker 2: is going to try to pull the like what Trump
Speaker 2: administration seemed like a real failure to me. And I
Speaker 2: was just being a good soldier and I was the
Speaker 2: vice president, so of course I wasn't going to speak
Speaker 2: up at the time. But everyone knew how I felt
Speaker 2: about the war and Iran. Everyone knew how I felt
Speaker 2: about the Epstein files. That was very clear, and all
Speaker 2: the stories. But what was I supposed to do? But
Speaker 2: here I am standing shouldered or shoulder with Tucker and
Speaker 2: MTG and all the rest of the game.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the problem for that idea, which is he
Speaker 3: still has to go to work in the same building
Speaker 3: at Donald Trump every day.
Speaker 2: What during the campaign? Yeah, yes, and maybe Trumps's unless
Speaker 2: he's locked out of the way at that point.
Speaker 3: And Trump has still will still have access to his
Speaker 3: truth social account and yeah, we'll still talk to portus
Speaker 3: every day. So think about how hard it was in
Speaker 3: her own mind for Kamala Harris to break with Joe
Speaker 3: Biden and all she was gonna have to do with
Speaker 3: was an awkward conversation in the Oval office. Trump will
Speaker 3: just trash him on true social and so yeah, like
Speaker 3: in his mind, he thinks he could run away from Trump,
Speaker 3: but I think that has much harder practically with the
Speaker 3: practical reality of a campaign as the sitting vice president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more likely is that Tucker moves to him and
Speaker 2: embraces him again and then he heads it off that way.
Speaker 2: But we'll see, all right when we come back. Dan's
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Milwaukee County executive and Democratic candidate
Speaker 3: for Wisconsin Governor David Crewley. David, Welcome to the pod.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. Glad to be here.
Speaker 3: My co host John Favreau talked to your opponent, Francesca
Speaker 3: Hong earlier this week, and with early voting underway in
Speaker 3: the primary election only a few days away, it's a
Speaker 3: great to get an opportunity to talk to you both
Speaker 3: about where the election stands and the issues that matter
Speaker 3: to Wisconsin voters. This race, for a lot of folks
Speaker 3: out there in the country, and I think even for myself,
Speaker 3: is kind of flying under the radar until a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago when we had candidates dropping out, candidates
Speaker 3: getting back in, and now you know there's some intense
Speaker 3: focus here. But maybe for those who have not paid
Speaker 3: that much attention, can you explain you were in the
Speaker 3: race for a long time, you got out of the race,
Speaker 3: you got back in the race, Who explained the circumstances
Speaker 3: behind that, and where the race stands right now with
Speaker 3: a few days ago to the election.
Speaker 13: Absolutely, and I want people to bear with me. I've
Speaker 13: been traveling across the states. Some of voices a little
Speaker 13: cracky a little bit, but I made a decision. I
Speaker 13: make decisions based off of facts, based off of data,
Speaker 13: and so when I decided to suspend my campaign. It
Speaker 13: was based off of what we had in front of us,
Speaker 13: but as you can imagine, we've learned so much information.
Speaker 4: Information was changing consistently, and every.
Speaker 13: Day we ended up learning that the facts and the
Speaker 13: data that we were relying on was pretty much false.
Speaker 13: And so when the Lieutenant governor decided to end her
Speaker 13: campaign due to her campaign finance struggle struggles, we knew
Speaker 13: that we had to get back in this race, right,
Speaker 13: And I'll be honest with you, I didn't make this
Speaker 13: decision lightly.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 13: It's a very difficult decision to not only suspend your campaign,
Speaker 13: but to come back. And if it wasn't for a
Speaker 13: good push from my wife, my better three quarters Erica,
Speaker 13: as well as you know, the Lieutenant governor getting out,
Speaker 13: you know, we understood what was at stake, and so
Speaker 13: we needed to make sure for me that we have
Speaker 13: a great candidate that can ultimately defeat Tom Tiffany this
Speaker 13: upcoming November, which requires someone who has executive experience, who's
Speaker 13: been able to govern and actually build coalitions across this state.
Speaker 3: When Governor Tony Evers, who was supporting your candidacy, was
Speaker 3: asked that Francisco Honk could win, he said, probably not.
Speaker 3: Is that your assessment as well? Do you think that
Speaker 3: if she is a nominee, we Democrats cannot defeat Tom Tiffany,
Speaker 3: the Republican candidate November?
Speaker 13: Well, the governor has his right to his own opinion,
Speaker 13: but I will say this is the first time that
Speaker 13: I've seen the governor agree with the Republican Governors Association
Speaker 13: agree with turning point USA, because they're spending millions of
Speaker 13: dollars on her behalf to prop her up as the candidate.
Speaker 13: And as I travel across this state, you know, people
Speaker 13: are afraid of socialism in Wisconsin, and so they want
Speaker 13: somebody who's going to be pragmatic, who's going to get
Speaker 13: things done. And that's why I believe and truly understand
Speaker 13: why Governor Evers thought that I was the best candidate.
Speaker 13: You know, I've had the opportunity to work with him
Speaker 13: for a very long time, and he trusts my judgment,
Speaker 13: he trusts my leadership and my abilities.
Speaker 3: Is the main problem with her candidacy in your view, Honks?
Speaker 3: Is so sciation with the DSA or is it something
Speaker 3: else about our candidacy that makes her a particularly vulnerable
Speaker 3: Democrat against Tiffany?
Speaker 13: You know, When I think about this race, I don't
Speaker 13: look at myself as them as opponents. I'm not running
Speaker 13: against anybody, right, I'm running for the votes of Wisconsin
Speaker 13: ights across this state, and so I'm focused on what
Speaker 13: I've been able to deliver. I'm the only candidate that
Speaker 13: not only served you know, in the state legislature as
Speaker 13: a state representative, as a legislative staffer, so I know
Speaker 13: exactly how our state capital works. But I've been leading
Speaker 13: the largest community, largest county in the state of Wisconsin,
Speaker 13: representing nineteen different cities and villages.
Speaker 4: Close to a million people.
Speaker 13: And I know that folks want somebody who's not just
Speaker 13: going to talk about a vision as far as what
Speaker 13: we need to do in the future, but they want
Speaker 13: to know who's going to deliver. And I think at
Speaker 13: the end of the day, the foundation of this campaign
Speaker 13: is who's going to be able to get things done?
Speaker 4: And I'm the only candidate in this race to do.
Speaker 3: So let's talk about some issues were there differences between
Speaker 3: you and Hung. I want to start with data centers.
Speaker 3: You do not support a moratorim on data center, although
Speaker 3: you have for posed some guardrails that you think should
Speaker 3: be put in place. A recent Marquette University poll showed
Speaker 3: that eighty eight percent of Democrats had concerns about data
Speaker 3: centers three quarters of all Wisconsin voters. Talk to me
Speaker 3: about why you oppose what seems to be a very
Speaker 3: popular idea in a data center moratorium.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that people hear more toorium.
Speaker 13: They think we're going to stop what's already being built,
Speaker 13: and we can't do that, right, And so for me,
Speaker 13: a moretorium is short term thinking but doesn't address the
Speaker 13: long term concerns that Wisconsin Knights have about these data centers.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 13: I do believe that data centers should have to pay
Speaker 13: their way, pay for their utility usage, pay for energy
Speaker 13: and grid upgrades. And I actually call it the Beyonce approach.
Speaker 13: Now you may be wondering, what does beyonce hi idea?
Speaker 3: You got me there, But it's an.
Speaker 13: Acronym bring your own new clean energy, right, And so
Speaker 13: they need to be building, you know, solar, they need
Speaker 13: to be building when they need to be building data stores.
Speaker 13: So what's not being you know, passed on to the
Speaker 13: cost of the consumers here in the States. You know,
Speaker 13: our clean air and water doesn't stop at Wisconsin. So
Speaker 13: we need to make sure that we have the guardrails,
Speaker 13: particularly for what's already in place, especially with the fact
Speaker 13: that not only she served in the State Assembly and
Speaker 13: she's currently there, and they left session without actually protecting
Speaker 13: our community.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what we should.
Speaker 13: Be focusing on versus allowing it to be a political
Speaker 13: football that stills being kicked down the road when the
Speaker 13: next governor is sworn in in January of twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3: While there is obviously a tremendous popular support for a
Speaker 3: moratorium or stopping data centers or however you want to
Speaker 3: think about it, there are elements of the Democratic Coalition
Speaker 3: who think there are some benefits. They're particularly building trade unions.
Speaker 3: Do you think there are potential economic benefits for communities
Speaker 3: for data centers to be built if the guardrails that
Speaker 3: you put in place, your Beyonce approach, if you will,
Speaker 3: is put in place.
Speaker 4: I do think that.
Speaker 13: We should be looking at how we can extract as
Speaker 13: much from these data centers versus data centers extracting from
Speaker 13: our natural resources and our people. And so when I
Speaker 13: think about the construction of data centers, we need to
Speaker 13: make sure onealizing union, labor we need prevailing wages, We
Speaker 13: need community benefit agreements, and not just in the communities
Speaker 13: that data centers are in, but for the entire state
Speaker 13: of Wisconsin, because we're all going to be affected in
Speaker 13: some type of capacity, and so we could leverage these
Speaker 13: data centers for our local municipalities, government, our farmers, our
Speaker 13: legacy industries, our small businesses, our public schools. We should
Speaker 13: be looking at those opportunities moving forward, because they're already here.
Speaker 3: Another issue is school vouchers. Hong has called for the
Speaker 3: elimination of Wisconsin's school voucher program has been in place
Speaker 3: for decades now. My understanding is that you are not
Speaker 3: for eliminating it, but you're also not for expanding it.
Speaker 3: Talk a little b outbout your position on school vouchres.
Speaker 13: Well, when it comes down to our public schools, I'm
Speaker 13: a public school graduate.
Speaker 4: I want to be very clear about that.
Speaker 13: I have three daughters and all of them go to
Speaker 13: market public schools. One just graduated from public schools, and
Speaker 13: we'll be attending one of our university system public university
Speaker 13: system schools this year. And so when it comes down
Speaker 13: to voutures, when people say we're just going to get
Speaker 13: rid of them, I don't think they're being honest about
Speaker 13: the situation or really realistic. I mean, one, this is
Speaker 13: going to up end not just you know, these children's learning,
Speaker 13: but also families. But what will this do actually to
Speaker 13: the public school system in the city of Milwaukee. We
Speaker 13: have about sixty to seventy thousand students total. Half of
Speaker 13: those kids are actually in the voucher program. And so
Speaker 13: if you were to eliminate the voucher program, and we
Speaker 13: just did a two hundred and fifty million dollar referendum
Speaker 13: to make sure that we have enough students, I mean
Speaker 13: enough resources for those students.
Speaker 4: How are we going to send thirty thousand of those
Speaker 4: students to the public schools.
Speaker 13: They don't have the buildings, they don't have to teach
Speaker 13: the teachers, they don't have the support systems. And so
Speaker 13: we have to focus on how do we rebuild our
Speaker 13: schools to where they become the school of choice. But
Speaker 13: we have to hold vultures accountable. They have to be transparent,
Speaker 13: and they need to be held to the same standards
Speaker 13: of our public schools. And so just to say that
Speaker 13: we're going to end this is not really being realistic
Speaker 13: or honest with the public.
Speaker 4: To be honest with you. Okay.
Speaker 3: Another issue in this seems like a high class problem
Speaker 3: for the people of Wisconsin is there's a big debate
Speaker 3: about what to do with the two point five billion
Speaker 3: dollars for plus. Yeah, and there was a deal that
Speaker 3: was struck between the Republicans and Governor Evers that ultimately
Speaker 3: died in the Senate, but involved using that money and
Speaker 3: tax rebate checks to wisconsinights and some money for special education.
Speaker 3: I think you were the one candidate in the gubernatorial
Speaker 3: race who said they would have signed that deal. Can
Speaker 3: you talk to me about why why you think that
Speaker 3: would have been a good deal.
Speaker 13: Well, I would have signed that deal because that means,
Speaker 13: Dan it would have been bipartisan. That means that Republicans
Speaker 13: and Democrats would have actually voted for it to actually
Speaker 13: get to my desk for me to sign. The reason
Speaker 13: why the governor didn't sign it is because it didn't pass.
Speaker 13: And I hope it didn't pass because this is what
Speaker 13: different districts wanted versus us playing politics. You know, there
Speaker 13: are a lot of people who are desperate the look
Speaker 13: looking for someone that helped them provide them relief. When
Speaker 13: it comes down to property taxes, childcare, How do they
Speaker 13: afford their premiums when it comes to the healthcare, afford
Speaker 13: the groceries on their table? And so we know that
Speaker 13: our community is desperate and we need to provide some
Speaker 13: type of relief. And so yes, I would have signed
Speaker 13: that if it would have passed, because that means that
Speaker 13: we would have gotten a bipartisan deal. And when you
Speaker 13: think about divided government, I know what it's like to
Speaker 13: have to lead and make sure that we're taking care
Speaker 13: of everybody in this state. I didn't agree with everything
Speaker 13: in that bill. There are things in that bill that
Speaker 13: I absolutely like, but it's about how do we make
Speaker 13: the biggest positive impact in people's lives at this moment,
Speaker 13: especially when they're being under attacked by this federal government.
Speaker 3: Recognizing that that was the deal that was on the table,
Speaker 3: That was the bipartisan deal that compromises necessary in divided
Speaker 3: government in an ideal world, what would you do with
Speaker 3: that surplus if you could just wave a wand make
Speaker 3: a decision as potentially future governor David Crowley.
Speaker 4: Oh man, if I could wave a wand I'll be
Speaker 4: the govern right, But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with how many wines on the show, Unfortunately.
Speaker 13: I mean for me when you want you want to
Speaker 13: provide relief, and we want to make sure that we're
Speaker 13: taking care of our young people.
Speaker 4: So I think about, you know, our property taxes.
Speaker 13: By making sure that we're investing in public education, that
Speaker 13: will help naturally ease the property tax pressures that property
Speaker 13: tax payers are facing each and every single day because
Speaker 13: we've had to go to referendum to make up the
Speaker 13: support from the state that we have lost over the
Speaker 13: few decades. It's about making sure that we can invest
Speaker 13: in childcare. Right there are a lot of people who
Speaker 13: are making decisions whether or not they're going to go
Speaker 13: to work or if they're going to stay at home
Speaker 13: because it's not affordable nor is it accessible. And we
Speaker 13: know that the next governor has to be ready on
Speaker 13: day one because there's going to be a lot of
Speaker 13: holes to feel due to the federal government making good
Speaker 13: decision to have cuts across the board for each community
Speaker 13: across this country. And so when it comes down to healthcare,
Speaker 13: we have to make sure that we're taking care of
Speaker 13: our most vulnerable populations, and especially in our rural communities
Speaker 13: as well, because we've seen clinics as well as hospitals closing.
Speaker 4: But this is about.
Speaker 13: You know, when I think about this surplus, you know,
Speaker 13: I always want to bring more people to the table.
Speaker 13: I was told that if you don't have a seat
Speaker 13: at the table, you're on the menu. And you think
Speaker 13: about our young people, they feel like they've been on
Speaker 13: the menu. Our older adults are farmers, you know, are teachers.
Speaker 13: They've all been on the menu because nobody is actually
Speaker 13: listening to them and allowing them to lend their voices
Speaker 13: to the solutions. And that's how we're going to move
Speaker 13: forward in order to create the sustainability that we need
Speaker 13: across Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: All across the country, particularly in democratic primaries, there's been
Speaker 3: this this anti establishment further right established candidates co associated
Speaker 3: with the establishment have lost. I know you have strongly
Speaker 3: rejected the label of establishment candidate in this race, but
Speaker 3: I think it is fair to say that you have
Speaker 3: the support of the city and governor, you're the support
Speaker 3: of congresswomen. When more, I think to some people it
Speaker 3: felt like your return to the race was the product
Speaker 3: of the establishment coming together to defeat Francesco Long you
Speaker 3: got back in evers endorseshoe moments later. Maybe you can
Speaker 3: talk to me a little bit about how you feel
Speaker 3: about potentially having that label, why that label doesn't fit you,
Speaker 3: and how you plan to be a voice of change
Speaker 3: in an election where people are very much looking for
Speaker 3: something different than what they have.
Speaker 13: Well, you know, I like how people throw the establishment
Speaker 13: thing out there. I was not endorsed by a you know,
Speaker 13: a congressional member until I got back into this race,
Speaker 13: or you know us senator right.
Speaker 4: I wasn't endorsed by any of these things. And for me, the.
Speaker 13: Frustration is because you know, I've worked my entire life,
Speaker 13: you know, not to be labeled, not to be placed
Speaker 13: in a box. You know, my parents were great, loving parents.
Speaker 13: My father was a master electrician mine my mother was
Speaker 13: a jane of all trades that I lost a couple
Speaker 13: of years ago, and they taught me the value of
Speaker 13: hard work, to be resilient and to get back up,
Speaker 13: you know, when someone knocks you down. But they also
Speaker 13: suffered from drug addiction to mental health. I was evicted
Speaker 13: three times before I graduated high school. For at least
Speaker 13: fifteen years of my life, I moved every single year,
Speaker 13: and I've worked extremely hard to be where I am,
Speaker 13: And so it does get a little frustrated because I
Speaker 13: didn't get in this race to protect the establishment. I
Speaker 13: got into this race to protect the people, to let
Speaker 13: folks know that they deserve to have a seat at
Speaker 13: the table. And then I'm willing to come and have
Speaker 13: the tough conversations to make sure that we're following our
Speaker 13: state's model and moving Wisconsin forward.
Speaker 3: So we're a few days before the election. The polls
Speaker 3: have shown Hog with a sizable lead. Now, the polls
Speaker 3: were not particularly accurated in Michigan. The other day, your
Speaker 3: campaign put out a memo suggesting the races closer than that.
Speaker 3: Where you Where do things stand right now? What's your
Speaker 3: path to victory between now and Tuesday?
Speaker 13: Our path to victory is making sure that we're talking
Speaker 13: to as many voters as possible.
Speaker 4: And when you look at all of the.
Speaker 13: Past polls that we have seen, who's been leading in
Speaker 13: this race has been undecided voters, and we know that
Speaker 13: we can consolidate many of these undecided voters. When folks
Speaker 13: understand that I have the endorsement of not just only
Speaker 13: Governor Tony Evers, congresswomen win more, but the different amount
Speaker 13: of labor unions that we have, they're starting to understand
Speaker 13: that there is a path for it. And you know
Speaker 13: what we've learned, particularly from Michigan, is that no one
Speaker 13: thought that we'll be staying up until Wednesday morning to
Speaker 13: figure out who lost this race. The polls were wildly off,
Speaker 13: and so this race is much closer than many people
Speaker 13: may think. But just because I have the support of
Speaker 13: the sitting governor and so many other great groups and
Speaker 13: progressive leaders across this state doesn't mean it's going to
Speaker 13: be a walk in the park. I'm going to work
Speaker 13: extremely hard traveling across this state to earn every single vote.
Speaker 13: Over this weekend, we were in ryan Lander, Hudson Superior Bayfield,
Speaker 13: and We're seeing hundreds of people come out as we're
Speaker 13: doing our rallies, and so I'm energized, I'm fired up,
Speaker 13: I'm ready to go, and I'm going to continue to
Speaker 13: do everything I need to do for the next five
Speaker 13: days to win this race.
Speaker 3: That seems like a great place to end it. David,
Speaker 3: thanks so much for joining us. Good luck in the
Speaker 3: final stretch.
Speaker 4: Here, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: That's our show for today. Thanks to David for coming on.
Speaker 2: Alex will be back on the feed on Sunday with
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