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<v Speaker 3>I'm Dan Pfeiffer.

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<v Speaker 2>On today's show, We're going to talk about Trump's new

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<v Speaker 2>threat to send gas prices back up at what was

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<v Speaker 2>ostensibly an affordability stop in Vegas, where he also debuted

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican argument against Abdul l Saied and other progressives.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll also talk about Abdul's general election argument, the final

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<v Speaker 2>days of the Wisconsin primary, and the new fifteen million

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<v Speaker 2>Republican resigns over inappropriate conduct with staffers, and the draft

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<v Speaker 2>to David Crowley, the Milwaukee County executive who's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>How about not the most annoying?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can do not the most annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>Pod subscriber. All right, let's get to the news. While

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<v Speaker 2>the factional war within the Democratic Party continued to rage

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<v Speaker 2>this week, the Republican president, with the record low thirty

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<v Speaker 2>eight percent approval rating, took his traveling circus to Vegas,

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<v Speaker 2>where he appeared with Governor Joel Lombardo at an event

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<v Speaker 2>where the intended message was supposed to be about the

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<v Speaker 2>Republican Party's efforts to make life easier for working Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see how they did. We'll start with Lombardo here

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Trump.

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<v Speaker 5>Quite often, when the press and the media runs them down,

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<v Speaker 5>they think about, you know, he's taking care of his

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<v Speaker 5>billionaire friends. But those billionaire friends provide jobs. So I

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<v Speaker 5>know Pastor Tye spoke about Officer abdel Nabby a few

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<v Speaker 5>moments ago. No, no, we're not booing we're not booing him.

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<v Speaker 5>He's the officer that passed away here recently.

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<v Speaker 6>So the tariffs have made us rich. Remember I used

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<v Speaker 6>to say that tariffs are.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite word. I love tariffs.

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<v Speaker 4>So my favorite word in the dictionary.

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<v Speaker 6>Tariff when gasoline, when oil goes down, and it's going

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<v Speaker 4>Rapidly, and it's happening very soon, already happening.

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<v Speaker 6>If you look today, it's seventy five dollars down to

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<v Speaker 4>And we may have to send it up again. We

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<v Speaker 4>may have to. You know what happens when we send

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<v Speaker 6>I saw polls today on television. I say, Donald's Trump

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<v Speaker 6>polls on the economy aren't good? Do The economy is

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<v Speaker 6>the greatest economy we've ever had by far.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Lots of unpack there, dan before we zero in

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<v Speaker 2>on that disciplined affordability messaging. The moment they got the

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<v Speaker 2>most attention were all the booze you just heard when

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<v Speaker 2>Lombardo invoked the name of Officer abdel Nabi, a Vegas

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<v Speaker 2>police officer who was shot and killed in the line

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<v Speaker 2>of duty on Tuesday. What do you think could have

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<v Speaker 2>possibly led the crowd to boo the name of a

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<v Speaker 2>heroic law enforcement officer and former marine.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to find a better example of the racism, jingoism,

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<v Speaker 3>Islamophobia that has become part and parcel of Republican politics,

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<v Speaker 3>even for years now, even before the Trump era. That

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<v Speaker 3>just at the mere mention of a name that sounds Muslim,

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<v Speaker 3>the crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>Boost truly truly upsetting, and and Lombardo is like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>don't boo And then Trump later says says his name

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and has to like calm the crowd down.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's shocking and been not surprising that this happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the also the thing that treatest point is,

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<v Speaker 3>like you said, I got a lot of attention. We

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<v Speaker 3>still got a lot of intention on Twitter, we got

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<v Speaker 3>some news coverage. But you and I were talking about

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<v Speaker 3>this earlier. But in twenty twelve, there was a Republican

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<v Speaker 3>primary presidential debate and they had they were doing video

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<v Speaker 3>questions submitted. I'm sure there was some like very anachronistic

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<v Speaker 3>social media a lot tie into this debate, like it

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<v Speaker 3>was a Facebook debate of something. They had a video

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<v Speaker 3>from a soldier who had served in Iraq who was gay,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was asking the Republicans if they were going

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<v Speaker 3>to roll back the progress that had been made on

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<v Speaker 3>LGBTQ rights, and the crowd booed, and it was like

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<v Speaker 3>a four day story, and every Republican had to come

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<v Speaker 3>back and say they wish they told the crowd not

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<v Speaker 3>the boot and here it just happens, and it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously this is what happens to Trump's America, and we

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<v Speaker 3>just move on.

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<v Speaker 2>You said that it was hard to find another example,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have one Tuesday. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>saw that. In the Republican primary in Michigan's eighth district,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's preferred candidate, a mere Hassan who he campaigned with

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<v Speaker 2>in person the other day at the GM plant, lost

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<v Speaker 2>to a candidate named Tom Smith, who dropped out of

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<v Speaker 2>the race a month ago. This is a mere hassan.

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<v Speaker 2>In his campaign literature it said Jesus Christ is his

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<v Speaker 2>Lord and Savior. He talks about how he's a Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy's a former veteran, former marine cop, former cop. The

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<v Speaker 2>NRCC spent money on this race, Trump endorsed, Trump appeared

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<v Speaker 2>with him, Trump endorsed him on truth Social and lost

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<v Speaker 2>to a guy that spent no money and dropped out

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<v Speaker 2>of the race a month earlier. Because his name was

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Smith.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Johnny's also a salsa magnet. He has his own

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<v Speaker 3>line of salsae.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's he's a former.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's an anti salsa vote.

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<v Speaker 3>Then maybe maybe it is anti Salicovot. And this is like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is not an insignificant deal because this is a

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<v Speaker 3>district that Trump won by two points, that has a

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<v Speaker 3>Democrat sitting at a Chris McDonald Rivet and so this

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<v Speaker 3>is a bit it would have been a potential NRCC target.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a very strong candidate. She outperformed Kama Harris by

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<v Speaker 3>nine points last time. But the reason Trump got involved

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<v Speaker 3>here with you try to get a candid they thought

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<v Speaker 3>could win. Republican voters were like, look, Trump has a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of pull, but his poll is not stronger than

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<v Speaker 3>my own personal racism. So I'm going to take the

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<v Speaker 3>defunct zombie candidate with the salsa instead.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, I'm sorry. The guy that won is the salsa.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the guy with the who won is sorry Tom Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>Is So then it was a pro salsa vote.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, yeah, I just I gonna go on on a

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<v Speaker 3>limb and say that large majorities of the republic primary

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<v Speaker 3>voters are not familiar with jar Head salsa, which was

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<v Speaker 3>named after his three sons, ter Marines, and they just

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<v Speaker 3>went with the whitest name possible, which is Tom Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>In just in case you think that we're just guessing

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<v Speaker 2>about the Islamophobia here and the racism. When Trump endorsed

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<v Speaker 2>him on truth Social it was just flooded with comments

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<v Speaker 2>from Trump supporters like have you lost your mind? Endorsing

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<v Speaker 2>Muslim candidates and no Muslims in America, no Muslims in office.

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<v Speaker 2>Or this one is a little more subtle. His name

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<v Speaker 2>gives me pause. Call me racist, but I am merely

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<v Speaker 2>being cautious. Obama comes to mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Subtle.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's just a few of the remarks. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>few of the reactions to Trump's endorsement of Amre Hasan.

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<v Speaker 2>So things are going great with the Republican on affordability.

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<v Speaker 2>How psych do you think Swing state voters already hear

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump is sending up the price of oil again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to have to send it up. And the

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<v Speaker 2>people of Nevada hearing the Republican governor saying, hey, they

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<v Speaker 2>should just be grateful to all the billionaires for providing

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<v Speaker 2>all those jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take these two things separately for a second. So

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<v Speaker 3>let's start with gas prices. Now, most of the time

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<v Speaker 3>when gas prices go up, presidents go out of their

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<v Speaker 3>way to make it clear that gas price it's a

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<v Speaker 3>global oil market. There are lots of things the president

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<v Speaker 3>is not personally responsible. Not Trump. He swings in the

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<v Speaker 3>other direction and leans in directly to say, look, I

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<v Speaker 3>am the guy me I decide whether they go up

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<v Speaker 3>or down, and I may decide to make them go

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<v Speaker 3>up again. Just FYI, that's me, Donald J. Trump, the

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<v Speaker 3>gas price raising guy. That's me, truly, And like.

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<v Speaker 2>What is he even? I guess he's I guess he's

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<v Speaker 2>referencing that he may attack Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's threatening to bam Iran again.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. But also he was in the Oval right before

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<v Speaker 2>he recorded, someone asked him about this, this potential deal

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<v Speaker 2>between Iran and Oman about the Straight of Horror moves

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, well, we kind of control it already.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of you no, he said, I'm sorry. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of open already. We control it, which is

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<v Speaker 2>also interesting because it's like, it's if we control it,

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<v Speaker 2>why is it only kind of open? The truth is, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>if they make a deal Iran and Oman about the

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<v Speaker 2>Straight of hor moves, notice we're not involved. Iran still

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<v Speaker 2>controls this straight and they will be charging a They

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<v Speaker 2>want to charge a five to seven percent fee for

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<v Speaker 2>all the tankers that go through the Straight of horor moves.

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<v Speaker 2>And Gregory brew who's an Iran expert on Twitter, was

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<v Speaker 2>just crunching the numbers and he said a five percent

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<v Speaker 2>fee assessed on outbound tankers would translate into fifty two

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars per day for the regime. So we are

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<v Speaker 2>currently spending one billion dollars a day, taxpayer dollars, all

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<v Speaker 2>fifty two million dollars a day. And I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>regime is slightly different in that they are younger and

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, so things are going great. There's also a

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<v Speaker 3>Washington Post report over the weekend that the reason why

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<v Speaker 3>of the pending deal, but because he had a blow

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and then he and then he threatened to jail

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<v Speaker 2>the person who leaked that story, which is a fake story,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also stricky to do both of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>The story isn't real, it's totally made up, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to fire the person that leaked the made up story.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're talking about the millionaire thing for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Two, Yes, let's talk about the billionaires, because several billions

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, which is also funny because it is to one,

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<v Speaker 3>he's repeating the democratic attack, which is never what you want.

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<v Speaker 3>But then he's like, the basic gist of Lombardo's message is, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>Trump is helping billionaires. He is definitely doing that. But

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<v Speaker 3>some of those billionaires they help you.

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<v Speaker 4>That.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. The old the old Republican Party, the

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<v Speaker 2>non Maga Republican Party, and the least politically popular part

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<v Speaker 2>of that party is sort of roaring back just in

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<v Speaker 2>time for the midterm election. Are you familiar with the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Burrito Debate of twenty twenty six?

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<v Speaker 3>Talk to me about this because I've really struggle to

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<v Speaker 3>keep up with it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a very This is a Twitter thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>it has involved everyone from.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I want information on Twitter things. If elig

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<v Speaker 2>You, Thank you, thank you. Well, let's just just just

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<v Speaker 2>hear me out on the people involved in this. So

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Covit of TPUSA, Charlie Kirk's producer now sort of

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<v Speaker 2>students in one of the TPOSA Chapters told him recently

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<v Speaker 2>that a burrito shouldn't cost twenty dollars. Matt Walsh of

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<v Speaker 2>The Daily Wire he was complaining about the price of groceries,

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<v Speaker 2>and Andrew colvid said, you know, I've hearing this from kids.

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<v Speaker 2>They said the brito shouldn't cost twenty dollars. Mark Tison,

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<v Speaker 2>who's the former Bush speech writer who is now you know,

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<v Speaker 2>full time warmonger on Fox News, has advised Trump to

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<v Speaker 2>fight this war. And Iron loves war, loves nothing more

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<v Speaker 2>than war. He jumped in and just like had several

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<v Speaker 2>tweets in response to Andrew Colvit that said, a burrito

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<v Speaker 2>only costs twenty dollars when you buy it on door

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<v Speaker 2>Dash because you're too lazy to walk over to Chipotle

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<v Speaker 2>or Taco Bell where you can get one. For three

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine, when I graduated, I lived on Ramen noodles,

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<v Speaker 2>had two roommates, and worked two jobs. I didn't whind

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<v Speaker 2>about affordability. I worked hard so I could one day

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<v Speaker 2>afford a better life. And then he wasn't done yet,

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<v Speaker 2>so we had another tweet crimea River. The burritos in

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<v Speaker 2>the college cafeteria are included in your meal plan, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it would have ended there. But jd Vance, back

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<v Speaker 2>from paternity leave and apparently back from swearing off shit

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<v Speaker 2>posting on Twitter, as as Susie Wiles had advised him

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<v Speaker 2>to do, decided to jump right in here and say,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised to hear Mark say this. If you've ever

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<v Speaker 2>met him in person, it's quite obvious the man has

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<v Speaker 2>never missed a burrito.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a couple of things on that one. J D

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<v Speaker 3>Vance not exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Saving a lot of burritos.

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<v Speaker 3>Just I'm not here to come in on his weight,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't think he is at such and such

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<v Speaker 3>a great shape that he can be casting expersions on

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<v Speaker 3>others to calling Martise in fat on Twitter. He is

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<v Speaker 3>possibly the most likely and popular thing Jada Vance has

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<v Speaker 3>ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that is tough. That is tough. I did

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<v Speaker 2>welcome him back to Twitter when he did that, I

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<v Speaker 2>was I was very said, welcome back, welcome back to shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he respond to you?

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<v Speaker 2>He did it? He did it, But I will I

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<v Speaker 2>will continue to try and debate him. So and then

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Crenshaw, remember Dan Crenshaw, congressman. He just lost his primary,

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<v Speaker 2>so he won't be coming back to Congress, so he

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<v Speaker 2>must have felt a little liberated. He decided to tweet

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<v Speaker 2>out of the blue just to dive into this debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Just hearing about this dumb twenty dollars burrito debate. So

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<v Speaker 2>just thought I'd make the losers on social media angry

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<v Speaker 2>before going to bed. Stop whining, get a job, Eat

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<v Speaker 2>ramen like the rest of us did in college, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of a lot of Ramen references on a budget

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<v Speaker 2>with four roommates. The market doesn't care what you think

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<v Speaker 2>something should cost.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you eat a lot of romen in college?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a ton of romen. Really, I'm like not

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<v Speaker 2>a romen person. I like, I don't. I've probably eaten

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<v Speaker 2>ramen like once.

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<v Speaker 3>But we're talking when we talk about ramen like we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking instant ramen. We're not talking you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I've seen the some local it'ya we went

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<v Speaker 2>to also also haven't had that, yeah at the at

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<v Speaker 2>the localist. Kaya great message. I think I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>firing on all cylinders on affordability as we head into

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<v Speaker 2>the midterms, we lose to these people.

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<v Speaker 3>Stop whining. It's a great message to give to voters.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop whining. We talked about this on our on our

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<v Speaker 2>bonus episode, and we talked about Michigan. But Mike Rogers

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<v Speaker 2>in Michigan has a whole bunch of these comments about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people should be like, oh the price of coffee,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boo. Who still a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>bad stuff out there for Republicans on affordability. One more

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<v Speaker 2>thing about this event before we leave the Vegas event.

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<v Speaker 2>This might have been more important than anything Trump said.

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<v Speaker 2>It was his new look, which is our eighty year

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<v Speaker 2>old president appears to have grown a new head of

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<v Speaker 2>hair overnight.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a look at these photos, Dan from last week

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<v Speaker 2>and this week. We've got a side by side again.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're just listening, you're gonna need to start on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>especially for this so that Jesus Christ. So on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I do the description here? Please? Okay? So on

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<v Speaker 3>the left, this is the quote unquote before photo. Trump's

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<v Speaker 3>hair is kind of a shade of gray. I'd say

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<v Speaker 3>it is stringy. It is not covering the full scalp.

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<v Speaker 3>He looks a little bit like like a ferret that

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<v Speaker 3>just got of the bath with alopecia. Like it's not

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<v Speaker 3>a good look, right, And on the right the after photo,

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<v Speaker 3>if you will. He has a lush head of hair

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<v Speaker 3>that covers everything. It is flowing. It's also an entirely

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<v Speaker 3>different color than the one from a few days ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like something that RFK Junior would peel off

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<v Speaker 2>the road and eat.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he looks like it looks like he is

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<v Speaker 3>in a nineteen seventy shampoo commercial. Like that is some

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<v Speaker 3>real hair there, Like he could be you know, he

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<v Speaker 3>could be in the Partridge family. Like that is good hair,

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<v Speaker 3>don't It is not a good color, doesn't seem real.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going in directions that hair should not go. But

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<v Speaker 3>it is more hair than he had a few days before.

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<v Speaker 3>And like I said, a very different color.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks like is it a wig? Is it?

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's got extensions put in there. I think

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<v Speaker 3>they got they added something, yeah, and he got it.

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<v Speaker 3>He got it colored. I guess I matched the extensions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with a highlighter.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean it is. His face also looks

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<v Speaker 3>very different too. They all hold the different people.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he get it sprayed with the same stuff they're

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<v Speaker 2>using on all the statues in DC? Is that he

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<v Speaker 2>used some of the paint from the oval for his hair.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there is, there's a little bit of like gold

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<v Speaker 3>to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess anyway, I guess good for him, But that

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<v Speaker 2>I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I read, Ah, I read a People magazine story on

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<v Speaker 3>this because I wanted to do real research, and in

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<v Speaker 3>it is says we called the White House for two

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<v Speaker 3>to get comment on the president's new hair.

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<v Speaker 2>They did not respond, which is it's a real tell.

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<v Speaker 3>There is Caroline Levit. She's briefing again.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope someone's asking this question.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, definitely someone will ask it.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you either get these TMC guys or are making

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<v Speaker 3>they're making the rounds in DC. We got to get them.

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<v Speaker 2>On this story, I get to say. I don't usually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't usually buy into these various Trump conspiracies,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, but it really looks like something happened.

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<v Speaker 4>With the hair.

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<v Speaker 3>Something. There's no one that I am the same head

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<v Speaker 3>of hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I'm buying this one. I hook line and sinker,

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<v Speaker 2>call me a resist lib, call me blue Mago, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is. I believe this one. It's I can see

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<v Speaker 2>with my own advice. Yeah, okay, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>nothing more important than that. Now that the Michigan primary

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<v Speaker 2>is behind us, everyone is in spin mode and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to project confidence about the course ahead. Here's Trump in

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas about Abdul.

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<v Speaker 4>Abdulah lovely gentleman. He's a man of hate, and now

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<v Speaker 4>he's going.

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<v Speaker 6>Around saying, no, I love everybody I love.

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<v Speaker 7>He doesn't love everybody. Put him in office. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 7>find out what he loves. He doesn't love Israel. He

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<v Speaker 7>doesn't love Jewish people. He hates them. He hates them

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<v Speaker 7>with a passion that burns in his heart and is

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<v Speaker 7>not a fricking thing he can do about it.

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<v Speaker 6>Filth, crime, death, destruction, embarrassment. You lose your home, you

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<v Speaker 6>lose your apartment, and that's where the communists will take us.

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<v Speaker 4>One hundred percent. When I watch Abdul.

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<v Speaker 6>He's full of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite what is he full of shit about?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's not I know this is this is

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<v Speaker 3>the exception to Trump's usually logical and uh well, easily

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<v Speaker 3>understood explanations. But yeah, no, it doesn't make a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of sense here.

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<v Speaker 2>It is funny how and I know this is not

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<v Speaker 2>the first time, but they really have made the full

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<v Speaker 2>shift from socialism to communism. So they were they were

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<v Speaker 2>flirting with both for a while and now they've just

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<v Speaker 2>gone full They've left socialism behind.

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<v Speaker 3>The last I would say, the day before, the day of,

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<v Speaker 3>in the day after the Michigan primary are all sort

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<v Speaker 3>of a blur. But didn't Trump at some point truth

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<v Speaker 3>something about how Hailey Stevens was a socialist and Abdul

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<v Speaker 3>was a communist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I don't even know if he said Abdul was

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<v Speaker 2>a communist. In that tweet he said he he did

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<v Speaker 2>Abdul's full name to do some of the racism, and

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<v Speaker 2>then then he referred to Hailey Stevens as a socialist.

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<v Speaker 3>Socialist yet okay, but he had previously referred Abduel as

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<v Speaker 3>a communist. So he has resked as a as a

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<v Speaker 3>true scholar of the works of Karl Marx and Lenin.

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<v Speaker 3>He has a very well understood distinction between communists and

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<v Speaker 3>social so I'm sure it's being applied correctly here.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say on election day, our friends at MS now,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just tuning in and multiple times I saw

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<v Speaker 2>up on the screen this very pland chart that was

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<v Speaker 2>comparing communism and socialism, just to give people rundown of

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between the two, which is.

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<v Speaker 3>Not where you want to be on our party right now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, look, he's not a communist a socialist.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I you know, someone will have to correct

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know what the context was because they

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<v Speaker 2>had it muted because I was working, But I'm like, what,

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<v Speaker 2>why does it keep popping up on my screen? Anyway? So,

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<v Speaker 2>for his part, Abdul has been doing lots of interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>including this one with CNN's Kaitln Collins on Wednesday night.

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<v Speaker 8>We've heard some Democrats who are worried that you cannot

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<v Speaker 8>defeat Mike Rogers come November. How do you plan to

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<v Speaker 8>address those concerns from people in your own party.

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<v Speaker 9>We don't need worry we need work. Worrying and Democrats

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<v Speaker 9>worrying is not going to the problems.

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<v Speaker 8>She is now supporting you now that you have won

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<v Speaker 8>the nomination? Are you going to invite her to campaign

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<v Speaker 8>with you out on the trail?

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<v Speaker 9>Look, we need everybody together to beat Mike Rogers. I'm

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<v Speaker 9>grateful we had a great conversation this morning. We talked

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<v Speaker 9>about a hard fought primary. You know, I've known the

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<v Speaker 9>Congress froman since twenty eighteen, since we ran together. And again,

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<v Speaker 9>whatever our different disagreements, we know that the disagreements we

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<v Speaker 9>have with Mike Rogers and Donald Trump are so much bigger.

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<v Speaker 8>So given how many votes she got, will should be

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<v Speaker 8>on the campaign trail with you.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I should hope.

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<v Speaker 9>So that's a choice that she gets to make. There

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<v Speaker 9>are people like Jade Vance or Donald Trump or Mike

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<v Speaker 9>Rogers who wanted to find America as being too small

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<v Speaker 9>to include some kinds of people. I believe that America

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<v Speaker 9>is big. It's open minded, it's big hearted. It can

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<v Speaker 9>include any of us, regardless of how we pray, regardless

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<v Speaker 9>of where our families come from, regardless of who we

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<v Speaker 9>love or how we identify. That's the America we're building.

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<v Speaker 9>And I think America in Michigan in particular, has an

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<v Speaker 9>opportunity to remind us just how big we are.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of Abdul's unity message? There inevitable

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<v Speaker 2>attention he's now getting from Trump. And one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>was on my mind as I was watching that and

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of seeing the last couple of days play out,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like what Abdul has to do one of

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<v Speaker 2>the many tasks he has now is so much of

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<v Speaker 2>the coverage of this race and the discussion about this

509
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<v Speaker 2>race is centered on him, and it feels like he

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<v Speaker 2>needs to sort of the turn the ship so that

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<v Speaker 2>it focuses on Trump and Mike Rogers, and I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if you have thoughts on how he can do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I do so on the unity side. His message is great.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think you and I may have talked

515
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<v Speaker 3>about this in the bonus, probably did, but it's even

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<v Speaker 3>more true now than it was when we recorded right

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<v Speaker 3>after the election. Abdul, Hailey, Stems, no I, mcmorro, Gresh

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<v Speaker 3>and Whitmer, everyone involved has done an excellent shop. They've

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<v Speaker 3>done exactly what they need to do. Even the people

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<v Speaker 3>who are some of Abdul's biggest opponents on Twitter have

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<v Speaker 3>come around and are tweeting out the national links for him.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone understands the urgency of the task among at least

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<v Speaker 3>the political elites in the establishment, and I think that

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<v Speaker 3>is this could have been divisive, It could have lingered on.

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<v Speaker 3>It did not. They had the Unity breakfast, which was

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<v Speaker 3>previously scheduled, was held this morning. Abdul and Haley hugged

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<v Speaker 3>on camera during that when she came to the stage.

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<v Speaker 3>I think like we were doing exceeding all expectations there.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is that is great. I think Trump

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<v Speaker 3>get it. Involving himself in this race is also great

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<v Speaker 3>for Abdul. Trump is a thirty eight percent approval rating.

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<v Speaker 3>According to some poles in Michigan. Talk about it all

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<v Speaker 3>the time. Come campaign with Mike Rogers, come many times,

534
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<v Speaker 3>talk about it. It will only help with the voters

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<v Speaker 3>who were skeptical of Abdul but very much disapproved of Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>That is be very very helpful him. I think that's great.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's going to take a little bit. You've

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<v Speaker 3>got to get through this immediate post primary cycle where

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<v Speaker 3>everything is going to be about Abdul, where the race goes,

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<v Speaker 3>can you win like you did? That has to wash

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<v Speaker 3>out the system. I think him doing all these interviews

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<v Speaker 3>just helps wash that out of the system early on.

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<v Speaker 3>Instead of lingering, he's got to just make it all

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<v Speaker 3>about Mike Rogers all the time. We got to get

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<v Speaker 3>an add up about Mike Rodgers, got to be talking

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<v Speaker 3>about Mike Rodgers, got to be talking about Mike Rodgers,

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<v Speaker 3>and Trump just don't like you have to answer the

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<v Speaker 3>questions from the press. But and I think he's done

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty good job of this in these interviews. This

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<v Speaker 3>is immediately pivot to Mike Rodgers, the pivotmrcrat. It is

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing we had in Maine where it was

552
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<v Speaker 3>all Graham Platner for a year and nothing about Susan Collins,

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<v Speaker 3>and then as soon as Trey Jackson got in the race,

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<v Speaker 3>you can really make it about Susan Collins. I think

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<v Speaker 3>Abdul has got to do that. There should probably think

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<v Speaker 3>of some high profile ways to do it. He could

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<v Speaker 3>give a speech that sort of lays out the case

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<v Speaker 3>against Mike Rodgers. You could use an ad or a

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<v Speaker 3>video to do it. I think we'll look at one

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<v Speaker 3>of these videos shortly. But it's just like that is

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<v Speaker 3>the task, and it's there's a you could there's always

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<v Speaker 3>a fear of overcomplicating these tasks because Abdul has very

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<v Speaker 3>big visions for politics, very big visions for policy. But

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<v Speaker 3>right now we need people to focus on who Mike

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<v Speaker 3>Rodgers is, why he's bad, and how how much he's

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<v Speaker 3>in Donald Trump's pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also think as he does that the images

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<v Speaker 2>of a and the settings where he is is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be important too. And I think he just needs

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<v Speaker 2>to go to all the places in Michigan where maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't do as well on the primary, and like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a duel with older people, there's a duel with

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<v Speaker 2>more older white men and working class folks and black

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<v Speaker 2>folks in Detroit, and like all the constituencies that supported

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<v Speaker 2>him in the primary, like he's he's got those, He's

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<v Speaker 2>got those folks. And as he is talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Rogers has let down Michigan and Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>let down Michigan and will continue to do that, he

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<v Speaker 2>should be around the kind of voters that you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>think Abdul would be able to attract. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably important too.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that's that's the thing that I believe.

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<v Speaker 3>They did so many podcasts about this race on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is you never saw in the primary Abdul

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<v Speaker 3>campaign do anything that was counterintuitive in terms of who

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<v Speaker 3>supported him. Yeah, like where you know, you like, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a classic thing. But he says all the time that

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<v Speaker 3>these three time Trump voters come to his events and

589
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<v Speaker 3>say they're supporting him. Put them in an ad. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 3>get to the rural areas, and he did a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of part of it what breaks through and one of

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<v Speaker 3>the reasons why he actually won is because he performed

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<v Speaker 3>better than people thought he could in the upper peninsul

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<v Speaker 3>of Michigan and because he went to that. He did

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<v Speaker 3>four hundred and fifty campaign events, so he was doing

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<v Speaker 3>town halls in some of these places. But that stuff

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<v Speaker 3>just didn't get as much attention as campaigning with AOC,

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<v Speaker 3>campaigning with Bernie, the big rallies and so just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of getting a load of the ground and doing

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<v Speaker 3>more that stuff will be helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, and I would not I would stop campaigning

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<v Speaker 2>with the streamers and maybe some And here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't actually think, you know, this is not a

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<v Speaker 2>like he should campaign with the Republicans who elected Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>who were for him, or who used to be Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>that are now Democrats, like because I think people just

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<v Speaker 2>don't tend to trust politicians in general, right, with the

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<v Speaker 2>exception of like, yes, of course we talked about this yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>that he should like bring out Obama towards the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the race, and people like that. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's the vote. It's the voters that you're seeing with

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<v Speaker 2>that are most important. Right, Like we're going to laugh

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<v Speaker 2>saying this, but it's axrod always told Obama like, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to be close to the ground, right, because you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to be with the voters, with crowds of people

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<v Speaker 2>in small settings, in places where again it's unexpected, and

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<v Speaker 2>then say the thing that's going to break through about

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Rodgers or about Trump, so that when you get covered,

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<v Speaker 2>you have that backdrop. So the outside groups are also

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<v Speaker 2>starting up their messaging efforts. We played the nrsc's first

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<v Speaker 2>ad in the Bonus episode that dropped on Wednesday, set

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<v Speaker 2>up Majority Pack, one of the mainstream democratic groups is

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<v Speaker 2>countering with, among other things, this ad.

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<v Speaker 10>There comes a time in life when things start to

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<v Speaker 10>slow down, when you just don't have the same energy

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<v Speaker 10>you had twenty years ago. But there's a way to

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<v Speaker 10>bring some excitement back.

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<v Speaker 11>What has not helped is the fact that the United

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<v Speaker 11>States hasn't strongly said that military intervention is still on

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<v Speaker 11>the table.

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<v Speaker 10>Introducing endless war from MIC.

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<v Speaker 9>Side effects may include death, economic hardship, and global instability.

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<v Speaker 3>Some patients have reported fuel shortages, which may cause inflation.

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<v Speaker 3>Endless war has not been proven to make Americans any safer.

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<v Speaker 10>Ask your doctor if endless war is right for you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny, it's clever, it's great.

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<v Speaker 3>The log line of this ad should be the war

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<v Speaker 3>and Iran gives Mike Rogers a four hour erection.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that would be the that would be the that

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<v Speaker 2>would be turning up the dial one one more.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually I think that is great because it's never

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<v Speaker 3>gonna err on TV. It's for viral purposes only. You

643
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:37.880
<v Speaker 3>gotta turn it up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's good for cent a majority pack. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's great.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like those establishment hills can you know, can

648
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<v Speaker 2>come through once in a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is There is a very smart, clever person

650
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<v Speaker 3>somewhere in the digital department who had this idea, and

651
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<v Speaker 3>I really applaud the leadership for letting this idea see

652
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<v Speaker 3>the light of day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was great. So Trump didn't just mention Abdul

654
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<v Speaker 2>in Vegas. He also told the crowd that quote, the

655
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<v Speaker 2>communists in Wisconsin have a woman who wants Thanksgiving abolished

656
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<v Speaker 2>and says police exists to uphold white supremacy. He was speaking,

657
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<v Speaker 2>of course, about Francesca Hong, who I interviewed on Tuesday show.

658
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<v Speaker 2>Later you'll hear Dan's interview with her primary opponent, David Crowley,

659
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<v Speaker 2>who was mounted a last ditch effort along with Governor

660
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Tony Evers to beat the front runner in Tuesday's big primary.

661
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Evers told reporters on Thursday that someone who has to

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<v Speaker 2>spend all their time explaining old tweets doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>very good shot at winning. Crowley has also circulated a

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<v Speaker 2>polling memo arguing that the race is closer than people think,

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<v Speaker 2>drawing some comparisons in that memo to some of the

666
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<v Speaker 2>polls in Michigan, the primary polls that sort of over

667
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.680
<v Speaker 2>estimated Abdual support in that race and drew parallels in

668
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 2>some of the Wisconsin pulling. I know you spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>Crowley thoughts on his chances and how the race is closing,

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00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 2>and that polling memo.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to say how the race is closing because,

672
00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.880
<v Speaker 3>as Michigan taught us, we really are flying blind here

673
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 3>and no real idea, and because it's even hard to

674
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.960
<v Speaker 3>decouple exactly why the polls were all wrong. Like there's

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<v Speaker 3>John Cohen, who was a polling guy. I talked to

676
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<v Speaker 3>this on Puller Coatsay, But he's a polling guy for

677
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<v Speaker 3>the posts. He worked at survey Monkey. Now he's got

678
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.039
<v Speaker 3>his own firm, but he went through and analyzed all

679
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 3>the polls. And the short version is they're all different.

680
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:18.880
<v Speaker 3>They're all wrong for different reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, cool, Cool.

682
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:22.160
<v Speaker 3>It's not like one clear error. There's some where they

683
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.839
<v Speaker 3>misjudged how much mail was in the place, there's some

684
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 3>that would that oversampled younger, all kinds of different reasons.

685
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:32.000
<v Speaker 3>So it's very confusing to know, which means that we

686
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<v Speaker 3>don't really know what's happening in Wisconsin. It is possible

687
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<v Speaker 3>that one point that that was made in this is

688
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<v Speaker 3>that all of the polls except one in Michigan were

689
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<v Speaker 3>online text to text to web poles, and so that

690
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<v Speaker 3>those poles do have a potential for get over sampling

691
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<v Speaker 3>more educated, more engaged voters that may have benefited Abdul

692
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<v Speaker 3>that the same thing could be the city you get

693
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<v Speaker 3>to get the same pop situation in Wisconsin in those poles. Now,

694
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<v Speaker 3>Hong is leading by a lot more in these polls

695
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<v Speaker 3>than Abdulah, so even a polling error of the same

696
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<v Speaker 3>size would still have her winning by double digits. But

697
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<v Speaker 3>Crowley's memo is interesting because they basically maps the polling

698
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<v Speaker 3>to the the turnout by age in the twenty eighteen

699
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<v Speaker 3>and twenty twenty two Wisconsin primaries, And if you do

700
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.519
<v Speaker 3>that with their polls, it gets you to thirty two

701
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:33.360
<v Speaker 3>thirty two. We'll see, so hard to know. There has

702
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:37.360
<v Speaker 3>been a lot of attention for the last week on

703
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:43.679
<v Speaker 3>Hong and her her comments, her response to comments you

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00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:47.400
<v Speaker 3>have Bernie Sanders to you on our Wednesday night pod

705
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:51.840
<v Speaker 3>saying that he's not endorsing her real questions about her electability. So,

706
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.320
<v Speaker 3>if there is an actual opportunity for this race to close,

707
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:57.920
<v Speaker 3>and Crowley has the resources to actually pull this off,

708
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<v Speaker 3>it's happening in the right political envi for him. But

709
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<v Speaker 3>it may be too little, too late.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I have to be honest, like, I

711
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<v Speaker 2>have more doubts about Han's ability to win the general

712
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:14.119
<v Speaker 2>than maybe almost any other candidate we've talked about. I

713
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.159
<v Speaker 2>could be wrong, you know. I mean, I'm not telling

714
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>anyone how to vote, but I just I want to

715
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 2>make sure everyone in Wisconsin is, you know, clear about

716
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.039
<v Speaker 2>the risks here, like even not knowing anything else. She's

717
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.679
<v Speaker 2>running as a Democratic Socialist in a state that Donald

718
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Trump won twice, one of the closest, most competitive states

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<v Speaker 2>in the country. She has advocated for abolishing prisons and

720
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<v Speaker 2>the police, who, she said, as Trump mentioned, exists to

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00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.079
<v Speaker 2>uphold white supremacy. And then I mean, you heard my

722
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.039
<v Speaker 2>interview with her, like when I gave her the chance

723
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.440
<v Speaker 2>to walk back those statements, she kind of did, but

724
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.079
<v Speaker 2>she also gave like, at best, a muddled answer where

725
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 2>she talked about like having met with justice impacted individuals,

726
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 2>which is not a phrase people use. There's the Bernie thing.

727
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>They're like, it's just you know, just just today, Zorn

728
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<v Speaker 2>Mamdani was in at some event in New York and

729
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<v Speaker 2>was asked what part of the DSA platforms that he

730
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<v Speaker 2>disagrees with, and immediately, immediately, very clearly, he said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I break from them on public safety because we need

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<v Speaker 2>our police force, and we need our prisons. We need

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<v Speaker 2>public safety. Clear like right, out of the gate and

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<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna have taken those positions in the past. Right, Again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not about like you have bad tweets. It's not

736
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<v Speaker 2>just about the Thanksgiving thing. We've all heard about that.

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00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 2>But if you're gonna have those tweets, then like you

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00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of need a pretty clear answer of why you've

739
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<v Speaker 2>evolved since then, how your views have changed. You either say,

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<v Speaker 2>oh I met with people, I changed my mind, whatever else,

741
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<v Speaker 2>and like it just doesn't. I do not have the

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<v Speaker 2>confidence when I listened to her answers that she is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to win an incredibly tough state.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Now again, maybe she will, maybe she'll improve

745
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:02.559
<v Speaker 2>as it can, but makes me a little nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like what I like to say questions what electability is.

747
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Electability is an unknowable concept because the candidates who win

748
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:13.920
<v Speaker 3>are always elected on the candidates or lose are unelectable,

749
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:17.559
<v Speaker 3>and it's so it's all theory. It's a self fulfilling

750
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:22.320
<v Speaker 3>theoretical concept. However, you can make some educated guesses on

751
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.280
<v Speaker 3>which candidate might be better. Those guesses could be wrong,

752
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 3>but you can look at the partisanship of the state,

753
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.239
<v Speaker 3>a candidate's skills they're where their issue agenda maps to

754
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 3>the state. Are they within the mainstream and the state.

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00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.679
<v Speaker 3>Outside of the mainstream and the state, there's a pretty

756
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<v Speaker 3>fair amount of pulling, which shows that, particularly in swing states,

757
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:47.719
<v Speaker 3>the label of democratic socialism is a anvil on your candidacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Which again which she embraces right, Like, it's not it's

759
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 2>not like she's being tagged DSA unfairly or whatever. Like

760
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.239
<v Speaker 2>she's like, yeah, I'm running as a Democratic socialist, ye.

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<v Speaker 3>And so like, obviously this is up to the people

762
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<v Speaker 3>of Wisconsin. They will side and then everyone ourselves included,

763
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 3>everything we can to nominee win, whether that's whether that's

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<v Speaker 3>Hong or Crowley. But yeah, I don't think anyone is

765
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:15.559
<v Speaker 3>wrong to be concerned that she is likely to is

766
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<v Speaker 3>a steeper hill for her to climb in what is

767
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<v Speaker 3>going to be a very very tough race than someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and look, I've also heard people say, well, she's

769
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<v Speaker 2>you know, why is she so far ahead in the polls,

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<v Speaker 2>And clearly she's like run an inspiring campaign that's attracted

771
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of support. I think that is that is true, clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also been an unusually calm primary like the

773
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<v Speaker 2>last debate. They didn't really go after her or each

774
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<v Speaker 2>other that much, like for various reasons, whatever it may be,

775
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>that's just it certainly was not like the Hailey Stevens

776
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<v Speaker 2>Abdul lsa ED primary, where they kind of previewed Hailey

777
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<v Speaker 2>Stephens previewed some of the attacks that Abdul might get,

778
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<v Speaker 2>and Abdul, you know, certainly attacked her as well. But

779
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<v Speaker 2>like this one has been kind of quiet in Wisconsin,

780
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:03.760
<v Speaker 2>so she has not had to face what she surely

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00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:07.079
<v Speaker 2>will face from the Republican Party who are just sitting

782
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.639
<v Speaker 2>there and like getting excited about about a general election.

783
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<v Speaker 2>So the stuff that everyone's bringing up now, it's not like,

784
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, just nervous Democrats are doing it just for

785
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:19.320
<v Speaker 2>fun or just to be mean or whatever. It's because

786
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<v Speaker 2>it's definitely coming from Republicans and she just hasn't faced

787
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<v Speaker 2>it yet.

788
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<v Speaker 3>Sure, Keypine has clearly caught fire. She has inspired people.

789
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<v Speaker 3>She's to have been much more inspiring than all the

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00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.880
<v Speaker 3>other candidates who were running. I mean, Crowley had to

791
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<v Speaker 3>drop out of the race originally, yes, and then came

792
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:37.719
<v Speaker 3>back in the race. And I do like you and

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<v Speaker 3>I as political professionals can look at this and make

794
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 3>this assessment of why we think someone is more electable

795
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.440
<v Speaker 3>than someone isn't. If you're just a regular voter in

796
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.079
<v Speaker 3>Wisconsin who is hurting, who is frustrated, You're angry at

797
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:51.199
<v Speaker 3>the establishment, your finances are hurt, and you have this

798
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:54.440
<v Speaker 3>inspiring candidate who has a very powerful personal story of

799
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<v Speaker 3>politics and offering this progressive agenda, I fully understand why

800
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<v Speaker 3>they would back that person. And I understand why be

801
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<v Speaker 3>skept of either people like us or Governor Torni Evers,

802
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.159
<v Speaker 3>who has said publicly that she does not think she

803
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<v Speaker 3>can win. Why you would not take that to the bank,

804
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:12.119
<v Speaker 3>because these people have told you in election after election

805
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 3>to put aside what you want for something else because

806
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 3>that gives his a better chance of winning. And then

807
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 3>those candidates lose. And so I like, this is not

808
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<v Speaker 3>what you were doing. But there's no real upside in

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<v Speaker 3>yelling the voters for making a decision that I understand

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<v Speaker 3>why they come to that decision, even if I think

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<v Speaker 3>it maybe makes it less likely they get the outcome

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<v Speaker 3>they want in the end because of the politics.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the state.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like, I know you're saying that, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not yelling at anyone I'm just saying, you're informing

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<v Speaker 2>them if you have not gone to if you have

817
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.960
<v Speaker 2>not gone to the ballot box yet, just you know,

818
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<v Speaker 2>do some research on this, think about this, because this

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<v Speaker 2>is not and like and I'm the same person who

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<v Speaker 2>made an argument for Abdul in the Michigan primary who's

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<v Speaker 2>the left candidate, And I've done so in many other

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<v Speaker 2>cases as well, and this is the one that really

823
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<v Speaker 2>rings some bells for me, raises some alarms. Whatever the

824
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<v Speaker 2>bad man.

825
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<v Speaker 3>And just so that people understand the stakes, the Tom Tiffany,

826
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<v Speaker 3>the Republican, is an election denier who would then be

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<v Speaker 3>governor of Wisconsin when they are certifying the votes of

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty twenty eight presidential election. And Wisconsin, as I've

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<v Speaker 3>said before, as a state that's been decided by one

830
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<v Speaker 3>point five of the last seven presidential elections, so it'll

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<v Speaker 3>be right within the insurrection zone most likely.

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<v Speaker 2>And for the people of Wisconsin too, you have a

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<v Speaker 2>chance in twenty twenty six to have a Democratic trifecta

834
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<v Speaker 2>in the state of Wisconsin for the first time. So

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<v Speaker 2>aside from just like stopping stopping the steal in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight, like, there's just a chance to have a

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<v Speaker 2>democratic governor and democratic legislature to get a lot of

838
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<v Speaker 2>shit done for that, like going to make people's lives

839
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<v Speaker 2>better in Wisconsin, which is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Patze America is brought to you by Quince. Remembered the

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<v Speaker 1>excitement of shopping for back to school close. I still

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So between Abdul and Hung there's been a lot

879
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.519
<v Speaker 2>of consternation among more moderate Democrats this week. I just

880
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.960
<v Speaker 2>heard some. Then there's the centrisk group Third Way, which

881
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 2>took that up a notch on Thursday with an announcement

882
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.079
<v Speaker 2>in the New York Times that they're planning to spend

883
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:59.800
<v Speaker 2>fifteen million dollars between now and twenty twenty eight too

884
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:04.280
<v Speaker 2>quote discredit Democratic Socialism. The group's president, John Cowen said

885
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.079
<v Speaker 2>they are preparing for war and that while the effort

886
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.360
<v Speaker 2>won't go after individual candidates, it will involve opera research

887
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:13.199
<v Speaker 2>into the DSA. What do you think, Dan, good use

888
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:16.639
<v Speaker 2>of time and money, John.

889
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.400
<v Speaker 3>There are many reasons why the DSA has gained prominence

890
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:28.360
<v Speaker 3>in recent years. One of those is that Democrats feel

891
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:32.840
<v Speaker 3>let down by the money establishment in our party. And

892
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:36.199
<v Speaker 3>so it's hard for me to believe that the money

893
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 3>to establishment announcing in the New York Times a fifteen

894
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:42.719
<v Speaker 3>million dollar campaign against the DSA is going to do

895
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:47.679
<v Speaker 3>anything other than reinforce the DSA's argument about where the

896
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 3>Democratic Party is failing, that it's voters. It is counterproductive.

897
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 3>It is going to add best case scenario, it's lighting

898
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:58.119
<v Speaker 3>fifteen million dollars. It could be used to recruit and

899
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 3>train candidates for grassroots orizing lighting that on fire. That's

900
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.960
<v Speaker 3>best case naro. Most likely case scenario to me is

901
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.840
<v Speaker 3>it just strengthen the DSA's hand. It's just I just

902
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.320
<v Speaker 3>do not understand it. You know, when I talk to

903
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.079
<v Speaker 3>Amanda Littman, who runs Run for Something, which is one

904
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 3>of the most important organizations the Democotic Party, a few

905
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.199
<v Speaker 3>weeks ago, I think she told me her yearly budget

906
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:21.039
<v Speaker 3>is seven million dollars. So think about what else that

907
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Speaker 3>fifteen million dollars could go to.

908
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:27.079
<v Speaker 2>It's wild and like, you know, I know that Matt

909
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Bennett third Way sort of responded to you and said,

910
00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and he's fronted to me and was like, we're also

911
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:34.760
<v Speaker 2>supporting candidates, and we have a think tank and we

912
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.000
<v Speaker 2>have some exciting ideas. It's like and that that may

913
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:41.559
<v Speaker 2>well be true, but that's not what anyone's hearing about.

914
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.000
<v Speaker 2>When there's a story pitch to The New York Times

915
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 2>about a fifteen million dollar plan to go to war

916
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 2>with the DSA, you know, I just like, that's that's

917
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.840
<v Speaker 2>what's that's what you're choosing to have breakthrough. I just

918
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:56.000
<v Speaker 2>think that the whole the whole plan here from the

919
00:45:56.440 --> 00:46:01.280
<v Speaker 2>from the centrists is it feels very an nachronistic old

920
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:05.360
<v Speaker 2>school like if you don't like DSA and your war.

921
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>And it's not just DSA, because there's they're talking about

922
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Democratic Socialist of America besides Francesca Hung who we just

923
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:14.039
<v Speaker 2>talked about a lot of these A lot of what

924
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:17.800
<v Speaker 2>they've been going to war against is democrats who aren't DSA,

925
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:21.880
<v Speaker 2>who they just believe are too far left and is

926
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.360
<v Speaker 2>particularly in Israel, yes, and then some other issues as well,

927
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 2>but so like and then they call it the in

928
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 2>the in the piece, they call it the DSA dodge,

929
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:34.880
<v Speaker 2>which is candidates who explicitly aren't running as DSA candidates

930
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 2>but still seem too far left for them. So they're

931
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:38.960
<v Speaker 2>like tagging those candidates with it too. But it's like

932
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.480
<v Speaker 2>and then and they're talking about opera research and the

933
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:45.119
<v Speaker 2>DSA platform, like the DSA platform. Who's running on the

934
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.840
<v Speaker 2>fucking national DSA platform. How many candidates are actually in

935
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.559
<v Speaker 2>America running on the DSA platform, Like none of the

936
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, Mamdani was breaking with a lot of the

937
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.960
<v Speaker 2>DSA platform. He was like the big DSA person AOC

938
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.840
<v Speaker 2>is not DSA. Like it's if you don't like the left,

939
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:06.880
<v Speaker 2>go after or make an argument against the policies that

940
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.000
<v Speaker 2>people on the left are proposing that you don't think

941
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:13.159
<v Speaker 2>are popular or the right policy or whatever. Like if

942
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.920
<v Speaker 2>you're upset about medicare for all, talk about medicare for all.

943
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.440
<v Speaker 2>If you don't like abolishing ice, talk about abolishing ice.

944
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:20.199
<v Speaker 2>If you have a problem with the Israel policy, talk

945
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.639
<v Speaker 2>about the policy. But the tendency of a lot of

946
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 2>centrists to just like attack DSA and this it's just

947
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:31.480
<v Speaker 2>it's really I think it's totally counterproductive, totally kind of productive.

948
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<v Speaker 3>If you believe as I do, that we need to

949
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:36.119
<v Speaker 3>have a big ten party that includes a bunch of

950
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:40.039
<v Speaker 3>candidates who are to the right of me personally and

951
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:41.880
<v Speaker 3>probably the right to a lot of Democrats and less

952
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 3>of the show to be able to win in states

953
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:49.119
<v Speaker 3>like Montana, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Arkansas, right, if we need

954
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:50.440
<v Speaker 3>to be able to ever get to the place where

955
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:52.119
<v Speaker 3>you have a government majority, we're going to need a

956
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.360
<v Speaker 3>very big tent that has a bunch of people with

957
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.960
<v Speaker 3>views we don't agree with on all of them. Don't

958
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:59.920
<v Speaker 3>agree with all their views. If you believe that, you

959
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Speaker 3>believe that we will if we just keep it nominating

960
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.119
<v Speaker 3>candidates too liberal for the states, that we will keep

961
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.920
<v Speaker 3>losing those states. What you need to do is you

962
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.599
<v Speaker 3>need to instead of telling voters that their choice is

963
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:13.400
<v Speaker 3>wrong or stupid, you have to give them another better choice.

964
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.159
<v Speaker 3>And so therefore you need a You need candidates. You

965
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:20.159
<v Speaker 3>need ideas that speak to the exact things that are

966
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:24.920
<v Speaker 3>fueling the rise of these DSA candidates livid anger at

967
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:26.880
<v Speaker 3>the establishment. I don't just mean Chuck Schumer, n A,

968
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:32.760
<v Speaker 3>Keim Jeffries. I mean the political, economic, cultural establishment of

969
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:34.880
<v Speaker 3>this country, of a political economic system that has let

970
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 3>them down. You need candidate who can speak to with

971
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 3>real ideas that mean something to people, talk to speak

972
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:45.599
<v Speaker 3>to their economic pain. Right, you need to be like

973
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.679
<v Speaker 3>you have to actually, what Third Way is trying to

974
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:51.719
<v Speaker 3>do here, which is just I think, is they are

975
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:55.800
<v Speaker 3>trying they are trying to treat the symptoms and not

976
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:59.159
<v Speaker 3>the cause. If you believe that this is a huge problem,

977
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 3>they're going about the exact what they are going to

978
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:03.960
<v Speaker 3>do is, I think, have the exact opposite effect of

979
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.400
<v Speaker 3>what they want. I just just at a time in which,

980
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:09.000
<v Speaker 3>if you talk to anyone who's running grassries organizations right now,

981
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.119
<v Speaker 3>big donors to the Democratic Party are not giving to

982
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.800
<v Speaker 3>Democratic Party infstructure the way they had before. They are

983
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:18.320
<v Speaker 3>scared of Trump. They're pissed about twenty twenty four. They

984
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:20.239
<v Speaker 3>think their money was let on fire by super PACs

985
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:22.559
<v Speaker 3>who spend a billion dollars in ads, and so they

986
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.800
<v Speaker 3>are not funding the sort of groups to the level

987
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.159
<v Speaker 3>they were in Trump one point zero, like groups like

988
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Run for Something, Swing Left v to say of America,

989
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:33.480
<v Speaker 3>those sorts of groups. And so the fact that this

990
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:36.079
<v Speaker 3>one group is that come into fifteen million dollars going

991
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:37.760
<v Speaker 3>to spend it on this instead of the things we

992
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:42.079
<v Speaker 3>actually need to win races and build power in this

993
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 3>country and a fight back against Trump, is just so infuriating.

994
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Also, there's a lot of other groups, and some of

995
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.119
<v Speaker 2>them are new, like more center left, modern groups whatever

996
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.960
<v Speaker 2>you want to call it, who've been working to like

997
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.480
<v Speaker 2>recruit and help and train some of the candidates who

998
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.440
<v Speaker 2>are frontline candidates who are you know, further to the

999
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:01.159
<v Speaker 2>right than most people in the audience. Right They're they're

1000
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:03.239
<v Speaker 2>running all over the country right now, and there's some

1001
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>good there and like no problem with them, and some

1002
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:10.079
<v Speaker 2>of them are really great exciting young candidates like do that.

1003
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.239
<v Speaker 2>But third way, in particular, like over the last year,

1004
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.079
<v Speaker 2>like eighty percent of the time I've heard them come up,

1005
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:20.599
<v Speaker 2>it's when they've been yelling about fucking Hassan Piker and

1006
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Zora Mumdani And it's just like, is that what you

1007
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 2>want to be known for? Like just yelling about Hassan

1008
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.480
<v Speaker 2>fucking Piker all the time, Like that's what they like

1009
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.800
<v Speaker 2>had their big splashy Wall Street Journal op ed about it,

1010
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:35.320
<v Speaker 2>and then they yelled about it again and they're still

1011
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.280
<v Speaker 2>yelling about It's just like enough, Just talk about what

1012
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.760
<v Speaker 2>you're for, talk about your vision, talk about your policies,

1013
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.280
<v Speaker 2>talk about some exciting candidates. Try to have that breakthrough.

1014
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.440
<v Speaker 2>So we talked on Tuesday show about the abuse allegations

1015
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:50.760
<v Speaker 2>against Ohio House Republican Max Miller, the former son in

1016
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.679
<v Speaker 2>law of Senator Bernie Moreno. H somehow things have gotten

1017
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:58.800
<v Speaker 2>even worse. Miller refused to drop out in an utterly

1018
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:03.039
<v Speaker 2>bizarre interview with Jake Tapper, who opened the conversation by

1019
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:07.719
<v Speaker 2>asking about an allegation that Senator Moreno had recently made

1020
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:11.760
<v Speaker 2>which is that Miller had recently held his daughter's favorite

1021
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:16.199
<v Speaker 2>blue Bunny stuffed animal hostage. Miller denied the allegation and

1022
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:20.079
<v Speaker 2>told Moreno to please stop the lies. But Mother Jones's

1023
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Abby Vasulis, who's covered the story in depth, reported on Thursday,

1024
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.280
<v Speaker 2>then Miller's alleged withholding of the bunny was quote part

1025
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:29.960
<v Speaker 2>of a pattern of behavior and not a single incident.

1026
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.440
<v Speaker 2>And she goes through it's like a fucking year and

1027
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:36.679
<v Speaker 2>a half of Max Miller trying to withhold this bunny

1028
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.840
<v Speaker 2>from his daughter. It's like, it's it. I can't even

1029
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:43.199
<v Speaker 2>believe I'm saying the words. It's like such a fucked

1030
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:48.400
<v Speaker 2>up story. Here's a clip from Miller's interview with Jake

1031
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday, so you see what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 12>This is nothing more than an individual who's being politically

1033
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 12>vindictive and talking about a blue bunny. If any of

1034
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:59.639
<v Speaker 12>these things were true, Jake, a judge would have taken

1035
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:02.039
<v Speaker 12>our baby girl out of my hands. What you have

1036
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:07.360
<v Speaker 12>is a very sadly politically motivated scenario to where you know,

1037
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:08.840
<v Speaker 12>people want to see me go away.

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00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:12.119
<v Speaker 11>There is a police report from the suspected child abuse

1039
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.000
<v Speaker 11>incident in February involving your daughter, and that report details

1040
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:18.239
<v Speaker 11>that the child protection team says that your child had

1041
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:21.719
<v Speaker 11>to write classical fracture and quote a bruise that accompanies

1042
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:24.679
<v Speaker 11>the injury that appears to be in a handprint and

1043
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:27.400
<v Speaker 11>appears to have been inflicted unquote. Now, your ex wife

1044
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:29.880
<v Speaker 11>stated to police that your child told her in the

1045
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.679
<v Speaker 11>days leading up to the discovery of the injury, quote

1046
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<v Speaker 11>daddy kill you. Can you explain why your child may

1047
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<v Speaker 11>have said those things?

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<v Speaker 12>Jick, I wish you could talk to my beautiful baby girl.

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<v Speaker 12>She can't string together sentences like that. She's two and

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<v Speaker 12>a half years old.

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<v Speaker 4>She doesn't have.

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<v Speaker 12>The ability to articulate any of what you just said.

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<v Speaker 12>That is an entire fabrication of the truth. I have

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<v Speaker 12>actual video, actual documentation.

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<v Speaker 11>Didn't you just tell me that to invest that she

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<v Speaker 11>had said that she was scared to go to mommy's house?

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<v Speaker 2>She knows and I have video of it.

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<v Speaker 11>But now you're saying that she's not capable of saying

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00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:11.320
<v Speaker 11>daddy kill you. I mean, it seems like she's either

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<v Speaker 11>because able to say one but not the other.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make sense, Jake, to.

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00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:18.960
<v Speaker 12>Be very direct, this is incredibly disturbing.

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<v Speaker 2>My first thought when I when I first saw this,

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00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:26.960
<v Speaker 2>was like, this little girl is going to grow up

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00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:29.920
<v Speaker 2>and like this is going to be on the internet.

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00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:33.079
<v Speaker 2>This is like in the public. It's just I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>believe that a father would like bring this into the

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00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:44.400
<v Speaker 2>public sphere to talk about in any way, shape or form,

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00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:48.559
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to just staying quiet, dropping out doing whatever

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00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:50.880
<v Speaker 2>it is is. It is evil.

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<v Speaker 3>It is basically sociopathic. Yeah, I mean, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if your boys had like a thing they had sleep

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<v Speaker 3>with hat.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we we have put a fucking air tag

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<v Speaker 2>in bear Bear and I once, I once like drove

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00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.960
<v Speaker 2>to Charlie's school at night to try to locate it

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00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.639
<v Speaker 2>because he had forgotten it at school. If we, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if we flew somewhere as a family and forgot bear

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00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Bear when we landed, Emily or I would be like

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00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:19.519
<v Speaker 2>have to get on a plane to go back to

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00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles to get them to get the bear.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Jack, who's five now, but he had he still

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<v Speaker 3>sleeps with But it's kitty Cat, which is a kitty cat.

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<v Speaker 3>And at once we were in a hotel and I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't take it out of the bed before housekeeping came

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00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:35.239
<v Speaker 3>and they took all the sheets.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>And the efforts that we just we went to to

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<v Speaker 3>try to be kitty Cat returned safe and sound. But

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<v Speaker 3>just the idea, like.

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<v Speaker 2>People who don't have kids, who are listening, like, I

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00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.280
<v Speaker 2>know you think we sound crazy, but like when you

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00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:51.920
<v Speaker 2>have kids, it is it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It is like it's their whole world.

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00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:54.159
<v Speaker 2>It's just it is.

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<v Speaker 3>There is the thing that gives them comfort. It's the

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00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:58.280
<v Speaker 3>thing they want when they sleep, it's the thing they

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00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:00.400
<v Speaker 3>want when they're upset, when they get hurt, they get

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<v Speaker 3>that thing. And the idea that a parent would hold

1100
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<v Speaker 3>that hostage is a point of leverage over their estrange

1101
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:13.920
<v Speaker 3>spouse is psychotic. It is someone like, it is soulless behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>It's truly. The whole thing is the whole thing is horrifying.

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00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:21.679
<v Speaker 3>It's horrifying for this girl. Just the idea that this

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00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.719
<v Speaker 3>fucking asshole wants to be in Congress so much that

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00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:28.760
<v Speaker 3>he's putting his family through this, putting his daughter, his

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00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.960
<v Speaker 3>two and a half year old daughter through this is

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<v Speaker 3>it's horrifying. It's fucking horrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was asked again today Thursday in the Oval if

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<v Speaker 2>he called on Miller to drop out again. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not getting involved. Trump owns anything. Mike Johnson is like, oh,

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00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:50.519
<v Speaker 2>it'll go through the Ethics Committee. A bunch of Republican senators,

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<v Speaker 2>to their credit, I guess because their colleagues with Bernie Marino,

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00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.559
<v Speaker 2>have all called on him to drop out and said that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I just said Tim Shee from Montana be like,

1115
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:01.360
<v Speaker 2>He's this is disgusting, Like what you doing. So you

1116
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:03.400
<v Speaker 2>got a bunch of Republican senators calling to drop out,

1117
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:05.599
<v Speaker 2>but like you're not seeing it in the House of course,

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00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:10.079
<v Speaker 2>or from Mike Johnson or from Donald Trump. And this

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<v Speaker 2>guy is just gonna I mean, do you think he

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<v Speaker 2>drops out? Do you think he do you think Democrats

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00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:17.960
<v Speaker 2>have a chance of beating him?

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<v Speaker 7>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>I hope so Democrats very much have a chance of

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00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.880
<v Speaker 3>beating him. So this is the district that Trump won

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<v Speaker 3>by eleven. He has until Monday to get off the ballot.

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<v Speaker 3>If it happens after Monday, then the county chairs cannot

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00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:35.719
<v Speaker 3>replace him on the ballot. And so there was a poll.

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<v Speaker 3>This hole is put up a Republican firm because the

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<v Speaker 3>people who want to win the republic want their republics

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<v Speaker 3>to keep the majority really won him off the race,

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00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.760
<v Speaker 3>but that poll had John Poindexter, the Democrat, winning by

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen points. Last week they had Pointdexter up by five points,

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<v Speaker 3>so and that eighty seven percent of people in the

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00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 3>district were aware of their allows. So yes, I think

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<v Speaker 3>if Miller stays in this Democrats, I think this would

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<v Speaker 3>be most likely be a flip. And that's in a

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<v Speaker 3>Trump eleven district.

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<v Speaker 2>Good fuck him, But honestly, losing is not enough the guy,

1139
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<v Speaker 2>but Tommy said this on Tuesday, but he should be

1140
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<v Speaker 2>in jail. Miller isn't the only House Republican in trouble

1141
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:16.800
<v Speaker 2>this week. North Carolina is Chuck Edwards, also in the House,

1142
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.800
<v Speaker 2>has ended his re election campaign in a very competitive

1143
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:22.079
<v Speaker 2>seat after the House Ethics Committee released a twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>page report finding that he engaged in quote persistent, unprofessional

1145
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and inappropriate conduct towards two young female staffers that includes

1146
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:37.000
<v Speaker 2>quote lavish and recurrent gifts, making comments regarding the staffers

1147
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.360
<v Speaker 2>appearance and dress, inviting them to intimate dinners and vacations,

1148
00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:44.480
<v Speaker 2>and sending notes regarding his effusive affection some examples. This

1149
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:47.599
<v Speaker 2>has been reported by Axios some great original reporting there

1150
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:52.440
<v Speaker 2>giving the staffers each a personalized handgun, one pink and

1151
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:55.320
<v Speaker 2>one blue, telling one of the staffers in a goodbye

1152
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.320
<v Speaker 2>note that she'd quote written a complex chapter in my

1153
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:03.119
<v Speaker 2>heart and ending a staff for a custom jigsaw puzzle that,

1154
00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:07.199
<v Speaker 2>once solved, revealed an invitation to dinner and an Adam

1155
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.639
<v Speaker 2>Sandler show. Edwards, who has been married since nineteen eighty,

1156
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:17.599
<v Speaker 2>maintained that nothing inappropriate or sexual took place. What kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what kind of message would you would you send

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<v Speaker 2>in a in a custom puzzle?

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<v Speaker 3>Damn, I've actually john you supressed. I thought about this

1160
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<v Speaker 3>for a long time.

1161
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Do you wondered how I can.

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00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Deliver this message to you? And I figured I now

1163
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:29.440
<v Speaker 3>realized that puzzle is the best way to do it,

1164
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:32.519
<v Speaker 3>and this would be a puzzle. You'd put it together.

1165
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:36.599
<v Speaker 3>What you would see is your phone. It's on your

1166
00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:40.039
<v Speaker 3>phone to the grass the Twitter app on the bottom.

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00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:42.519
<v Speaker 3>Party would say discretion is the better part of valor.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even I didn't even know this was out

1169
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:49.920
<v Speaker 2>there till till it happened.

1170
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:52.719
<v Speaker 3>There's been a it's been a very busy week of

1171
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:56.400
<v Speaker 3>Republican assholes doing terrible things, and so I'm not surprised

1172
00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:58.199
<v Speaker 3>the custom puzzle didn't hit your radar?

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00:58:58.360 --> 00:58:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Are we going to Is this a this is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be ademocratic pickup?

1175
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:00.960
<v Speaker 4>Now?

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00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:04.400
<v Speaker 3>Yes? Actually this is is a swing seat. And there's

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00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.880
<v Speaker 3>a very strong Democratic candidate here. I think his name

1178
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:09.159
<v Speaker 3>is Jimmie Aker. The Jennifer Palmery actually mentioned to me

1179
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:11.079
<v Speaker 3>when I talked to her about long play. Oh nice,

1180
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:12.360
<v Speaker 3>not exciting Democratic candidates.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great well, Chuck Edwards, good riddance. All right, One

1182
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.920
<v Speaker 2>more item to discuss Tucker twenty twenty eight. It has begun.

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<v Speaker 2>On Saturday, newlywed Marjorie Taylor Green posted a photo with

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<v Speaker 2>her husband and Thomas Massey, Joe Kent, the guy who

1185
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:32.760
<v Speaker 2>had quit the Trump administration over Iran, the national security guy.

1186
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:36.119
<v Speaker 2>They were all gathered around a table at Tucker Carlson's

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00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:41.159
<v Speaker 2>compound in Maine. MTG's caption said Trump betrayed his no

1188
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<v Speaker 2>more foreign Wars promise and that quote the movement has begun.

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00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Kent later told the Young Turks, as one does, that

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<v Speaker 2>a third party was in the works and that they

1191
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:53.320
<v Speaker 2>were trying to convince Tucker to run in twenty twenty eight,

1192
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:56.519
<v Speaker 2>but so far he has said he won't. On Tuesday,

1193
00:59:56.599 --> 01:00:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Tucker reposted MTG's photo with the caption Maga was trade

1194
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.039
<v Speaker 2>we all were, It's time for a new path forward.

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01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:06.480
<v Speaker 2>He then told people to tune into his Wednesday episode

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01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:10.119
<v Speaker 2>where he laid out his ten point vision for America.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds pretty, sounds pretty. I'm going to run in twenty

1198
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:17.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight. What do you think though? Trial balloon, total bluff,

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<v Speaker 2>something real.

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01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:23.559
<v Speaker 3>A weird time to announce this, but early next year,

1201
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:24.679
<v Speaker 3>I have we be taking a leave of absence to

1202
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.199
<v Speaker 3>work on ballot access for this group, because I think

1203
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:28.400
<v Speaker 3>this is exactly what we want.

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01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they're talking about a unity ticket. They

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01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.519
<v Speaker 2>want they want like someone on the left. They want

1206
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:37.199
<v Speaker 2>a left populace and a right popular.

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01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I think the left populace would be Well, here's.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing, like when you look at did you I

1209
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:43.239
<v Speaker 2>don't know, if you looked at Tucker's ten point vision.

1210
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:44.280
<v Speaker 3>I did not know.

1211
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:45.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:48.480
<v Speaker 2>So there's some of the stuff that we have, you know,

1213
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:52.559
<v Speaker 2>played him saying and maybe even agreed with on you know,

1214
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:58.679
<v Speaker 2>anti war, anti war in Iran, especially Epstein file stuff.

1215
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.800
<v Speaker 2>But then there's the like you know, the low Then

1216
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:05.760
<v Speaker 2>then then there's the sort of there's the Maha stuff

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01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:09.119
<v Speaker 2>in there. There's like low birth rate and then there's

1218
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:12.679
<v Speaker 2>like no more immigrants. Well we will, we wait and

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01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:14.679
<v Speaker 2>figure out what's going on. So I just think that

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01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:17.920
<v Speaker 2>there's I think that you know, a lot of more

1221
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:22.039
<v Speaker 2>moderate types, establishment types believe in horseshoe theory, and I

1222
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:26.800
<v Speaker 2>think in some areas horseshoe theory is correct. But I

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01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:32.320
<v Speaker 2>think that some of the far rights views, particularly on immigration,

1224
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:35.039
<v Speaker 2>are just going to be anathema to even the most

1225
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:36.559
<v Speaker 2>left wing folks.

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<v Speaker 3>And to be in all, I made a joke about

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01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:40.639
<v Speaker 3>aout access to explain why I would be doing that,

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01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:45.239
<v Speaker 3>just to be clear, Like there's been there's been a

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01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:48.039
<v Speaker 3>lot of talk of Tucker Carlson being a formidable presidential

1230
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:52.280
<v Speaker 3>candidate because of his media skills, because he maybe because

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01:01:52.480 --> 01:01:57.360
<v Speaker 3>male was media skills. He that is, was always under

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01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:01.440
<v Speaker 3>the assumption he would be a the Republican nominee. Tucker

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01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Carlson a third party candidate is a gift to Democrats

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01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.920
<v Speaker 3>like you cannot imagine, because it's he's going here. There

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01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:13.159
<v Speaker 3>aren't a lot of potential John as Off, aoc Kamala Harris,

1236
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:15.800
<v Speaker 3>Gavin Us, some Josh Shapiro voters who're voting for Tucker Crlson.

1237
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:18.320
<v Speaker 3>But there are a lot of disillusion Trump twenty twenty

1238
01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:20.719
<v Speaker 3>four voters who might vote for Tucker Carlson. Yes, that's

1239
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:23.760
<v Speaker 3>how you win. So that would be very good news,

1240
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:26.360
<v Speaker 3>Like we should encourage this. This would be great. It

1241
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:28.920
<v Speaker 3>is even if it's unlikely to come to fruition. Balt

1242
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:32.079
<v Speaker 3>Axis is very very hard to get. It takes. None

1243
01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:35.760
<v Speaker 3>of these people seem like actual nuts and bolted doer types.

1244
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:42.119
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of a bunch of idea guys. But it

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01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:45.199
<v Speaker 3>it does speak to how much the Maca coalition has

1246
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:49.920
<v Speaker 3>truly fractured under trump second term, right because of Epstein,

1247
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:52.239
<v Speaker 3>proparentally because of the war, that there are these incredibly

1248
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.599
<v Speaker 3>prominent people with large audiences who have soured on Trump

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01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.480
<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't show up in the polling, because the

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01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:01.920
<v Speaker 3>polling as if there are maga voters and mega voters

1251
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:04.400
<v Speaker 3>to voters meets Trump voters, and so once you stop

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01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.679
<v Speaker 3>being a Trump Republican, you stop telling posters you're a

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01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.599
<v Speaker 3>mega voter. So but it is like there's a real

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01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:12.000
<v Speaker 3>split here and Trump is losing control of the coalition

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<v Speaker 3>that elected him, and that's good news for Democrats too.

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<v Speaker 2>I found it interesting in relation to Vance, because when

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<v Speaker 2>I took a look at Tucker's ten point vision for America,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the policies and a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>things he was saying are our views that JD. Vance

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<v Speaker 2>has espoused in some way over the last several years

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<v Speaker 2>in post MAGA transformation. And I also found interesting the

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Post story Thursday that reported Trumps a few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago told a bunch of donors in the Oval office,

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<v Speaker 2>which wild plays for donors, just sitting in the Oval office,

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<v Speaker 2>he told them the quote, at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to elect JD. So then, and the story

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<v Speaker 2>also said that one advisor has told the Post that

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<v Speaker 2>he settled on JD now and that a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>other advisors say no, no, no, he's still He's still

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<v Speaker 2>working it out between j D and Rubio. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he was just asked Thursday in the Oval about this story.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, did you say that? Is that true about JD?

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<v Speaker 2>And he said no, so he denied it. But I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that JD. Vance is eyeing the Tucker movement

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<v Speaker 2>here and is probably trying to mend fences, or at

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<v Speaker 2>some point we'll try to mend fences with Tucker, to

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<v Speaker 2>try to head this off, and you know JD. Vance

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<v Speaker 2>is going to try to pull the like what Trump

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<v Speaker 2>administration seemed like a real failure to me. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was just being a good soldier and I was the

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<v Speaker 2>vice president, so of course I wasn't going to speak

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<v Speaker 2>up at the time. But everyone knew how I felt

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<v Speaker 2>about the war and Iran. Everyone knew how I felt

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<v Speaker 2>about the Epstein files. That was very clear, and all

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<v Speaker 2>the stories. But what was I supposed to do? But

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<v Speaker 2>here I am standing shouldered or shoulder with Tucker and

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<v Speaker 2>MTG and all the rest of the game.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, here's the problem for that idea, which is he

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<v Speaker 3>still has to go to work in the same building

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<v Speaker 3>at Donald Trump every day.

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<v Speaker 2>What during the campaign? Yeah, yes, and maybe Trumps's unless

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<v Speaker 2>he's locked out of the way at that point.

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<v Speaker 3>And Trump has still will still have access to his

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<v Speaker 3>truth social account and yeah, we'll still talk to portus

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<v Speaker 3>every day. So think about how hard it was in

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<v Speaker 3>her own mind for Kamala Harris to break with Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Biden and all she was gonna have to do with

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<v Speaker 3>was an awkward conversation in the Oval office. Trump will

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<v Speaker 3>just trash him on true social and so yeah, like

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<v Speaker 3>in his mind, he thinks he could run away from Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think that has much harder practically with the

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<v Speaker 3>practical reality of a campaign as the sitting vice president.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, more likely is that Tucker moves to him and

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<v Speaker 2>embraces him again and then he heads it off that way.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll see, all right when we come back. Dan's

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<v Speaker 3>Joining me now is Milwaukee County executive and Democratic candidate

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<v Speaker 3>for Wisconsin Governor David Crewley. David, Welcome to the pod.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me. Glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>My co host John Favreau talked to your opponent, Francesca

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<v Speaker 3>Hong earlier this week, and with early voting underway in

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<v Speaker 3>the primary election only a few days away, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>great to get an opportunity to talk to you both

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<v Speaker 3>about where the election stands and the issues that matter

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<v Speaker 3>to Wisconsin voters. This race, for a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 3>out there in the country, and I think even for myself,

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of flying under the radar until a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of weeks ago when we had candidates dropping out, candidates

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<v Speaker 3>getting back in, and now you know there's some intense

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<v Speaker 3>focus here. But maybe for those who have not paid

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<v Speaker 3>that much attention, can you explain you were in the

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<v Speaker 3>race for a long time, you got out of the race,

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<v Speaker 3>you got back in the race, Who explained the circumstances

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<v Speaker 3>behind that, and where the race stands right now with

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<v Speaker 3>a few days ago to the election.

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<v Speaker 13>Absolutely, and I want people to bear with me. I've

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<v Speaker 13>been traveling across the states. Some of voices a little

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<v Speaker 13>cracky a little bit, but I made a decision. I

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<v Speaker 13>make decisions based off of facts, based off of data,

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<v Speaker 13>and so when I decided to suspend my campaign. It

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<v Speaker 13>was based off of what we had in front of us,

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<v Speaker 13>but as you can imagine, we've learned so much information.

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<v Speaker 4>Information was changing consistently, and every.

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<v Speaker 13>Day we ended up learning that the facts and the

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<v Speaker 13>data that we were relying on was pretty much false.

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<v Speaker 13>And so when the Lieutenant governor decided to end her

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<v Speaker 13>campaign due to her campaign finance struggle struggles, we knew

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<v Speaker 13>that we had to get back in this race, right,

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<v Speaker 13>And I'll be honest with you, I didn't make this

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<v Speaker 13>decision lightly.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 13>It's a very difficult decision to not only suspend your campaign,

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<v Speaker 13>but to come back. And if it wasn't for a

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<v Speaker 13>good push from my wife, my better three quarters Erica,

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<v Speaker 13>as well as you know, the Lieutenant governor getting out,

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<v Speaker 13>you know, we understood what was at stake, and so

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<v Speaker 13>we needed to make sure for me that we have

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<v Speaker 13>a great candidate that can ultimately defeat Tom Tiffany this

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<v Speaker 13>upcoming November, which requires someone who has executive experience, who's

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<v Speaker 13>been able to govern and actually build coalitions across this state.

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<v Speaker 3>When Governor Tony Evers, who was supporting your candidacy, was

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<v Speaker 3>asked that Francisco Honk could win, he said, probably not.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that your assessment as well? Do you think that

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<v Speaker 3>if she is a nominee, we Democrats cannot defeat Tom Tiffany,

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<v Speaker 3>the Republican candidate November?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, the governor has his right to his own opinion,

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<v Speaker 13>but I will say this is the first time that

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<v Speaker 13>I've seen the governor agree with the Republican Governors Association

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<v Speaker 13>agree with turning point USA, because they're spending millions of

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<v Speaker 13>dollars on her behalf to prop her up as the candidate.

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<v Speaker 13>And as I travel across this state, you know, people

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<v Speaker 13>are afraid of socialism in Wisconsin, and so they want

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<v Speaker 13>somebody who's going to be pragmatic, who's going to get

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<v Speaker 13>things done. And that's why I believe and truly understand

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<v Speaker 13>why Governor Evers thought that I was the best candidate.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, I've had the opportunity to work with him

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<v Speaker 13>for a very long time, and he trusts my judgment,

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<v Speaker 13>he trusts my leadership and my abilities.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the main problem with her candidacy in your view, Honks?

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<v Speaker 3>Is so sciation with the DSA or is it something

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<v Speaker 3>else about our candidacy that makes her a particularly vulnerable

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<v Speaker 3>Democrat against Tiffany?

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<v Speaker 13>You know, When I think about this race, I don't

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<v Speaker 13>look at myself as them as opponents. I'm not running

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<v Speaker 13>against anybody, right, I'm running for the votes of Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 13>ights across this state, and so I'm focused on what

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<v Speaker 13>I've been able to deliver. I'm the only candidate that

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<v Speaker 13>not only served you know, in the state legislature as

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<v Speaker 13>a state representative, as a legislative staffer, so I know

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<v Speaker 13>exactly how our state capital works. But I've been leading

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<v Speaker 13>the largest community, largest county in the state of Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 13>representing nineteen different cities and villages.

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<v Speaker 4>Close to a million people.

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<v Speaker 13>And I know that folks want somebody who's not just

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<v Speaker 13>going to talk about a vision as far as what

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<v Speaker 13>we need to do in the future, but they want

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<v Speaker 13>to know who's going to deliver. And I think at

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<v Speaker 13>the end of the day, the foundation of this campaign

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<v Speaker 13>is who's going to be able to get things done?

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm the only candidate in this race to do.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's talk about some issues were there differences between

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<v Speaker 3>you and Hung. I want to start with data centers.

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<v Speaker 3>You do not support a moratorim on data center, although

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<v Speaker 3>you have for posed some guardrails that you think should

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<v Speaker 3>be put in place. A recent Marquette University poll showed

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<v Speaker 3>that eighty eight percent of Democrats had concerns about data

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<v Speaker 3>centers three quarters of all Wisconsin voters. Talk to me

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<v Speaker 3>about why you oppose what seems to be a very

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<v Speaker 3>popular idea in a data center moratorium.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think that people hear more toorium.

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<v Speaker 13>They think we're going to stop what's already being built,

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<v Speaker 13>and we can't do that, right, And so for me,

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<v Speaker 13>a moretorium is short term thinking but doesn't address the

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<v Speaker 13>long term concerns that Wisconsin Knights have about these data centers.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 13>I do believe that data centers should have to pay

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<v Speaker 13>their way, pay for their utility usage, pay for energy

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<v Speaker 13>and grid upgrades. And I actually call it the Beyonce approach.

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<v Speaker 13>Now you may be wondering, what does beyonce hi idea?

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<v Speaker 3>You got me there, But it's an.

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<v Speaker 13>Acronym bring your own new clean energy, right, And so

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<v Speaker 13>they need to be building, you know, solar, they need

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<v Speaker 13>to be building when they need to be building data stores.

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<v Speaker 13>So what's not being you know, passed on to the

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<v Speaker 13>cost of the consumers here in the States. You know,

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<v Speaker 13>our clean air and water doesn't stop at Wisconsin. So

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<v Speaker 13>we need to make sure that we have the guardrails,

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<v Speaker 13>particularly for what's already in place, especially with the fact

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<v Speaker 13>that not only she served in the State Assembly and

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<v Speaker 13>she's currently there, and they left session without actually protecting

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<v Speaker 13>our community.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that's what we should.

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<v Speaker 13>Be focusing on versus allowing it to be a political

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<v Speaker 13>football that stills being kicked down the road when the

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<v Speaker 13>next governor is sworn in in January of twenty twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>While there is obviously a tremendous popular support for a

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<v Speaker 3>moratorium or stopping data centers or however you want to

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<v Speaker 3>think about it, there are elements of the Democratic Coalition

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<v Speaker 3>who think there are some benefits. They're particularly building trade unions.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think there are potential economic benefits for communities

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<v Speaker 3>for data centers to be built if the guardrails that

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01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:44.439
<v Speaker 3>you put in place, your Beyonce approach, if you will,

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01:12:44.720 --> 01:12:45.399
<v Speaker 3>is put in place.

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<v Speaker 4>I do think that.

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<v Speaker 13>We should be looking at how we can extract as

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01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:52.479
<v Speaker 13>much from these data centers versus data centers extracting from

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01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:55.640
<v Speaker 13>our natural resources and our people. And so when I

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01:12:55.680 --> 01:12:58.880
<v Speaker 13>think about the construction of data centers, we need to

1470
01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:03.079
<v Speaker 13>make sure onealizing union, labor we need prevailing wages, We

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01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:07.239
<v Speaker 13>need community benefit agreements, and not just in the communities

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01:13:07.239 --> 01:13:10.039
<v Speaker 13>that data centers are in, but for the entire state

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01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:12.399
<v Speaker 13>of Wisconsin, because we're all going to be affected in

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01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:15.600
<v Speaker 13>some type of capacity, and so we could leverage these

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01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:19.960
<v Speaker 13>data centers for our local municipalities, government, our farmers, our

1476
01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:25.319
<v Speaker 13>legacy industries, our small businesses, our public schools. We should

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01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:28.600
<v Speaker 13>be looking at those opportunities moving forward, because they're already here.

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01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:31.279
<v Speaker 3>Another issue is school vouchers. Hong has called for the

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01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:34.560
<v Speaker 3>elimination of Wisconsin's school voucher program has been in place

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01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:38.079
<v Speaker 3>for decades now. My understanding is that you are not

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01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:40.279
<v Speaker 3>for eliminating it, but you're also not for expanding it.

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01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:42.079
<v Speaker 3>Talk a little b outbout your position on school vouchres.

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01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:44.720
<v Speaker 13>Well, when it comes down to our public schools, I'm

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01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:45.840
<v Speaker 13>a public school graduate.

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01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:47.600
<v Speaker 4>I want to be very clear about that.

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01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:50.119
<v Speaker 13>I have three daughters and all of them go to

1487
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:53.640
<v Speaker 13>market public schools. One just graduated from public schools, and

1488
01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:58.279
<v Speaker 13>we'll be attending one of our university system public university

1489
01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:01.079
<v Speaker 13>system schools this year. And so when it comes down

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01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:03.159
<v Speaker 13>to voutures, when people say we're just going to get

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01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:06.600
<v Speaker 13>rid of them, I don't think they're being honest about

1492
01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:09.640
<v Speaker 13>the situation or really realistic. I mean, one, this is

1493
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:13.079
<v Speaker 13>going to up end not just you know, these children's learning,

1494
01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:15.840
<v Speaker 13>but also families. But what will this do actually to

1495
01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:18.760
<v Speaker 13>the public school system in the city of Milwaukee. We

1496
01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:22.800
<v Speaker 13>have about sixty to seventy thousand students total. Half of

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01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:26.000
<v Speaker 13>those kids are actually in the voucher program. And so

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01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:29.159
<v Speaker 13>if you were to eliminate the voucher program, and we

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01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:32.960
<v Speaker 13>just did a two hundred and fifty million dollar referendum

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01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:34.800
<v Speaker 13>to make sure that we have enough students, I mean

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01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:36.399
<v Speaker 13>enough resources for those students.

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01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:38.720
<v Speaker 4>How are we going to send thirty thousand of those

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01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:40.000
<v Speaker 4>students to the public schools.

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01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:42.279
<v Speaker 13>They don't have the buildings, they don't have to teach

1505
01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:45.319
<v Speaker 13>the teachers, they don't have the support systems. And so

1506
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:47.600
<v Speaker 13>we have to focus on how do we rebuild our

1507
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:50.239
<v Speaker 13>schools to where they become the school of choice. But

1508
01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:53.680
<v Speaker 13>we have to hold vultures accountable. They have to be transparent,

1509
01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:56.079
<v Speaker 13>and they need to be held to the same standards

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01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:58.680
<v Speaker 13>of our public schools. And so just to say that

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01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:01.760
<v Speaker 13>we're going to end this is not really being realistic

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01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:04.319
<v Speaker 13>or honest with the public.

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01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:05.640
<v Speaker 4>To be honest with you. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Another issue in this seems like a high class problem

1515
01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:09.840
<v Speaker 3>for the people of Wisconsin is there's a big debate

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01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:11.960
<v Speaker 3>about what to do with the two point five billion

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01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:15.880
<v Speaker 3>dollars for plus. Yeah, and there was a deal that

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01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:19.199
<v Speaker 3>was struck between the Republicans and Governor Evers that ultimately

1519
01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:21.800
<v Speaker 3>died in the Senate, but involved using that money and

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01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:27.079
<v Speaker 3>tax rebate checks to wisconsinights and some money for special education.

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01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:29.920
<v Speaker 3>I think you were the one candidate in the gubernatorial

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01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:32.199
<v Speaker 3>race who said they would have signed that deal. Can

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01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:35.199
<v Speaker 3>you talk to me about why why you think that

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01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:36.479
<v Speaker 3>would have been a good deal.

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01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:38.880
<v Speaker 13>Well, I would have signed that deal because that means,

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01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:41.880
<v Speaker 13>Dan it would have been bipartisan. That means that Republicans

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01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.079
<v Speaker 13>and Democrats would have actually voted for it to actually

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01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:47.960
<v Speaker 13>get to my desk for me to sign. The reason

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01:15:48.039 --> 01:15:50.720
<v Speaker 13>why the governor didn't sign it is because it didn't pass.

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01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:53.880
<v Speaker 13>And I hope it didn't pass because this is what

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01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:58.000
<v Speaker 13>different districts wanted versus us playing politics. You know, there

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01:15:58.000 --> 01:15:59.920
<v Speaker 13>are a lot of people who are desperate the look

1533
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:02.880
<v Speaker 13>looking for someone that helped them provide them relief. When

1534
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:06.319
<v Speaker 13>it comes down to property taxes, childcare, How do they

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01:16:06.680 --> 01:16:09.239
<v Speaker 13>afford their premiums when it comes to the healthcare, afford

1536
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:11.640
<v Speaker 13>the groceries on their table? And so we know that

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01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:13.960
<v Speaker 13>our community is desperate and we need to provide some

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01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:16.880
<v Speaker 13>type of relief. And so yes, I would have signed

1539
01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:19.399
<v Speaker 13>that if it would have passed, because that means that

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01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:22.079
<v Speaker 13>we would have gotten a bipartisan deal. And when you

1541
01:16:22.119 --> 01:16:24.920
<v Speaker 13>think about divided government, I know what it's like to

1542
01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:27.079
<v Speaker 13>have to lead and make sure that we're taking care

1543
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:30.439
<v Speaker 13>of everybody in this state. I didn't agree with everything

1544
01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:32.479
<v Speaker 13>in that bill. There are things in that bill that

1545
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:35.119
<v Speaker 13>I absolutely like, but it's about how do we make

1546
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:40.960
<v Speaker 13>the biggest positive impact in people's lives at this moment,

1547
01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:44.159
<v Speaker 13>especially when they're being under attacked by this federal government.

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01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:47.000
<v Speaker 3>Recognizing that that was the deal that was on the table,

1549
01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:49.680
<v Speaker 3>That was the bipartisan deal that compromises necessary in divided

1550
01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:52.720
<v Speaker 3>government in an ideal world, what would you do with

1551
01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:55.319
<v Speaker 3>that surplus if you could just wave a wand make

1552
01:16:55.319 --> 01:16:58.199
<v Speaker 3>a decision as potentially future governor David Crowley.

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01:16:58.039 --> 01:16:59.680
<v Speaker 4>Oh man, if I could wave a wand I'll be

1554
01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:00.800
<v Speaker 4>the govern right, But.

1555
01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, with how many wines on the show, Unfortunately.

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01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:07.359
<v Speaker 13>I mean for me when you want you want to

1557
01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:09.319
<v Speaker 13>provide relief, and we want to make sure that we're

1558
01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:10.640
<v Speaker 13>taking care of our young people.

1559
01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:13.159
<v Speaker 4>So I think about, you know, our property taxes.

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01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:16.000
<v Speaker 13>By making sure that we're investing in public education, that

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01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:19.840
<v Speaker 13>will help naturally ease the property tax pressures that property

1562
01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:22.880
<v Speaker 13>tax payers are facing each and every single day because

1563
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:25.239
<v Speaker 13>we've had to go to referendum to make up the

1564
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:27.840
<v Speaker 13>support from the state that we have lost over the

1565
01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:30.640
<v Speaker 13>few decades. It's about making sure that we can invest

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01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:33.079
<v Speaker 13>in childcare. Right there are a lot of people who

1567
01:17:33.119 --> 01:17:35.199
<v Speaker 13>are making decisions whether or not they're going to go

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01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:37.520
<v Speaker 13>to work or if they're going to stay at home

1569
01:17:37.880 --> 01:17:41.880
<v Speaker 13>because it's not affordable nor is it accessible. And we

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01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:44.560
<v Speaker 13>know that the next governor has to be ready on

1571
01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:46.479
<v Speaker 13>day one because there's going to be a lot of

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01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:49.840
<v Speaker 13>holes to feel due to the federal government making good

1573
01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:52.640
<v Speaker 13>decision to have cuts across the board for each community

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01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:56.039
<v Speaker 13>across this country. And so when it comes down to healthcare,

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01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:57.479
<v Speaker 13>we have to make sure that we're taking care of

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01:17:57.479 --> 01:18:01.119
<v Speaker 13>our most vulnerable populations, and especially in our rural communities

1577
01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:04.520
<v Speaker 13>as well, because we've seen clinics as well as hospitals closing.

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01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:05.920
<v Speaker 4>But this is about.

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01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:08.520
<v Speaker 13>You know, when I think about this surplus, you know,

1580
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:10.399
<v Speaker 13>I always want to bring more people to the table.

1581
01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:12.079
<v Speaker 13>I was told that if you don't have a seat

1582
01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:14.000
<v Speaker 13>at the table, you're on the menu. And you think

1583
01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:16.000
<v Speaker 13>about our young people, they feel like they've been on

1584
01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:19.720
<v Speaker 13>the menu. Our older adults are farmers, you know, are teachers.

1585
01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:22.199
<v Speaker 13>They've all been on the menu because nobody is actually

1586
01:18:22.239 --> 01:18:25.079
<v Speaker 13>listening to them and allowing them to lend their voices

1587
01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:27.079
<v Speaker 13>to the solutions. And that's how we're going to move

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01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:30.600
<v Speaker 13>forward in order to create the sustainability that we need

1589
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:32.079
<v Speaker 13>across Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 3>All across the country, particularly in democratic primaries, there's been

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01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:39.279
<v Speaker 3>this this anti establishment further right established candidates co associated

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01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:42.520
<v Speaker 3>with the establishment have lost. I know you have strongly

1593
01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:46.520
<v Speaker 3>rejected the label of establishment candidate in this race, but

1594
01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I think it is fair to say that you have

1595
01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:49.880
<v Speaker 3>the support of the city and governor, you're the support

1596
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:53.199
<v Speaker 3>of congresswomen. When more, I think to some people it

1597
01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:57.079
<v Speaker 3>felt like your return to the race was the product

1598
01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:01.560
<v Speaker 3>of the establishment coming together to defeat Francesco Long you

1599
01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:05.560
<v Speaker 3>got back in evers endorseshoe moments later. Maybe you can

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01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:06.920
<v Speaker 3>talk to me a little bit about how you feel

1601
01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:09.479
<v Speaker 3>about potentially having that label, why that label doesn't fit you,

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01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:12.079
<v Speaker 3>and how you plan to be a voice of change

1603
01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:14.760
<v Speaker 3>in an election where people are very much looking for

1604
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:15.760
<v Speaker 3>something different than what they have.

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01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:19.760
<v Speaker 13>Well, you know, I like how people throw the establishment

1606
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:22.720
<v Speaker 13>thing out there. I was not endorsed by a you know,

1607
01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:26.000
<v Speaker 13>a congressional member until I got back into this race,

1608
01:19:26.119 --> 01:19:28.600
<v Speaker 13>or you know us senator right.

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01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:32.039
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't endorsed by any of these things. And for me, the.

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01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:36.199
<v Speaker 13>Frustration is because you know, I've worked my entire life,

1611
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:38.319
<v Speaker 13>you know, not to be labeled, not to be placed

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01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:41.840
<v Speaker 13>in a box. You know, my parents were great, loving parents.

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01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:44.399
<v Speaker 13>My father was a master electrician mine my mother was

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01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:46.199
<v Speaker 13>a jane of all trades that I lost a couple

1615
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:48.399
<v Speaker 13>of years ago, and they taught me the value of

1616
01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:50.840
<v Speaker 13>hard work, to be resilient and to get back up,

1617
01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:53.439
<v Speaker 13>you know, when someone knocks you down. But they also

1618
01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:56.119
<v Speaker 13>suffered from drug addiction to mental health. I was evicted

1619
01:19:56.159 --> 01:19:58.720
<v Speaker 13>three times before I graduated high school. For at least

1620
01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:01.760
<v Speaker 13>fifteen years of my life, I moved every single year,

1621
01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:05.119
<v Speaker 13>and I've worked extremely hard to be where I am,

1622
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:07.800
<v Speaker 13>And so it does get a little frustrated because I

1623
01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:10.000
<v Speaker 13>didn't get in this race to protect the establishment. I

1624
01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:12.800
<v Speaker 13>got into this race to protect the people, to let

1625
01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:15.279
<v Speaker 13>folks know that they deserve to have a seat at

1626
01:20:15.279 --> 01:20:17.880
<v Speaker 13>the table. And then I'm willing to come and have

1627
01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:20.720
<v Speaker 13>the tough conversations to make sure that we're following our

1628
01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:22.640
<v Speaker 13>state's model and moving Wisconsin forward.

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01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:24.960
<v Speaker 3>So we're a few days before the election. The polls

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01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:28.439
<v Speaker 3>have shown Hog with a sizable lead. Now, the polls

1631
01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:33.600
<v Speaker 3>were not particularly accurated in Michigan. The other day, your

1632
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:36.279
<v Speaker 3>campaign put out a memo suggesting the races closer than that.

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01:20:36.319 --> 01:20:38.039
<v Speaker 3>Where you Where do things stand right now? What's your

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01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:39.640
<v Speaker 3>path to victory between now and Tuesday?

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<v Speaker 13>Our path to victory is making sure that we're talking

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01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:44.159
<v Speaker 13>to as many voters as possible.

1637
01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:46.079
<v Speaker 4>And when you look at all of the.

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01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:48.840
<v Speaker 13>Past polls that we have seen, who's been leading in

1639
01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:52.279
<v Speaker 13>this race has been undecided voters, and we know that

1640
01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:55.640
<v Speaker 13>we can consolidate many of these undecided voters. When folks

1641
01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:58.640
<v Speaker 13>understand that I have the endorsement of not just only

1642
01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:02.880
<v Speaker 13>Governor Tony Evers, congresswomen win more, but the different amount

1643
01:21:02.880 --> 01:21:06.720
<v Speaker 13>of labor unions that we have, they're starting to understand

1644
01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:09.159
<v Speaker 13>that there is a path for it. And you know

1645
01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:11.520
<v Speaker 13>what we've learned, particularly from Michigan, is that no one

1646
01:21:11.520 --> 01:21:14.319
<v Speaker 13>thought that we'll be staying up until Wednesday morning to

1647
01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:17.640
<v Speaker 13>figure out who lost this race. The polls were wildly off,

1648
01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:20.880
<v Speaker 13>and so this race is much closer than many people

1649
01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:23.760
<v Speaker 13>may think. But just because I have the support of

1650
01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:26.520
<v Speaker 13>the sitting governor and so many other great groups and

1651
01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:29.319
<v Speaker 13>progressive leaders across this state doesn't mean it's going to

1652
01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:31.239
<v Speaker 13>be a walk in the park. I'm going to work

1653
01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:35.159
<v Speaker 13>extremely hard traveling across this state to earn every single vote.

1654
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:39.640
<v Speaker 13>Over this weekend, we were in ryan Lander, Hudson Superior Bayfield,

1655
01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:43.520
<v Speaker 13>and We're seeing hundreds of people come out as we're

1656
01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:46.800
<v Speaker 13>doing our rallies, and so I'm energized, I'm fired up,

1657
01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:48.960
<v Speaker 13>I'm ready to go, and I'm going to continue to

1658
01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:50.880
<v Speaker 13>do everything I need to do for the next five

1659
01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:52.520
<v Speaker 13>days to win this race.

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<v Speaker 3>That seems like a great place to end it. David,

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01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:56.000
<v Speaker 3>thanks so much for joining us. Good luck in the

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01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:56.800
<v Speaker 3>final stretch.

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01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:57.840
<v Speaker 4>Here, Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our show for today. Thanks to David for coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>Alex will be back on the feed on Sunday with

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation with ms now's Chris Hayes, have a good weekend. Everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Pozive America is a Crooked media production. Our show is

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<v Speaker 2>produced by Austin Fisher, Saul Ruben, McKenna Roberts, and Ferris Safari,

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<v Speaker 2>with Ree Cherlin, Elijah Cone and Adrian Hill. Our team

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<v Speaker 2>includes Matt de Grote, Ben Hefcote, Jordan Cantor, Charlotte Landis

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<v Speaker 2>Krol pel Avive, David Toles, Mia Kelman, Ryan Young and

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<v Speaker 2>Naomi Single. Our staff is probably unionized with the Writers

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<v Speaker 2>Guild of America East