Speaker 1: Welcome into Clippers Talk. I'm Adam Osland, and all right,
Speaker 1: giving the magnitude of our guests today, I'm gonna cut
Speaker 1: the shit and not get into a bunch of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tease out for later in the show.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna dive right in here as I'm joined
Speaker 1: by a comedian for the people who's genuine, relatable and
Speaker 1: down to earth, blue collar you could say, but hell no,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about. Jeff Boxworthy joining the podcast right
Speaker 1: now is one of our own Clipper Nation. He's a
Speaker 1: Clipper super fan that we are lucky to have on
Speaker 1: our side. Of course, you know him from shows like
Speaker 1: The League, Human Giant, Beep, Black Monday, The Popular How
Speaker 1: Did This Get Made? Podcasts, and of course he's the
Speaker 1: only legacy character. He's been in both Twister movies, some say. Plus,
Speaker 1: he's got a New York Times best seller out titled
Speaker 1: Joyful Recollections of Trauma. It's the wonderfully talented Paul's here
Speaker 1: joining me here on Clippers Talk. Paul, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for doing this.
Speaker 2: Adam, I am thrilled to be here, and I gotta
Speaker 2: tell you, you know, this is maybe the first time
Speaker 2: that we've really talked talk to seeing each other of talk,
Speaker 2: but you have accompanied my rides home from the stadium
Speaker 2: in moments of joy and defeat. You have been a
Speaker 2: consistent voice for me, and I just want to say
Speaker 2: thank you. I think Clipper Nation need to say thank
Speaker 2: you for an even keeled voice in the times of
Speaker 2: despair and even in the times of triumph. We have
Speaker 2: to just ride. We got a long ride ahead of us,
Speaker 2: and you are always guiding that train perfectly.
Speaker 1: You know, those times of despair are usually when I'm
Speaker 1: talking to Sean from Englewood, so I appreciate the kind words.
Speaker 1: We're hoping for better rides home this upcoming season. We're
Speaker 1: going to get into all of that, because if you
Speaker 1: guys weren't familiar enough, Paul is a real hooper. He
Speaker 1: knows ball. We were talking the DMS during the playoffs.
Speaker 1: He has a high level basketball mind. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pepper him with a ton of Clippers questions here. But
Speaker 1: I do want to start with your career, and I
Speaker 1: want to start with the league.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Admittedly I had a bit of a strain relationship with
Speaker 1: fantasy football and stop playing in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: the scoring system. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I would
Speaker 1: say I started the rehabilitation a little bit sooner than
Speaker 1: some maybe, Okay, but I didn't watch the show because
Speaker 1: I heard how good it was for my best friend,
Speaker 1: who religiously watched it, and I was scared if I did,
Speaker 1: I'd get back on the train be addicted once again
Speaker 1: to playing fantasy football and the scoring system, the head
Speaker 1: to head scoring system, I just hated. I couldn't take
Speaker 1: it because I'd end up like thirteen points and then
Speaker 1: still miss the playoffs somehow, Paul.
Speaker 2: Look, this is no nothing incap plated sports more than
Speaker 2: fantasy football. Right. You could have everything on your side,
Speaker 2: one thing goes south and you're done. You're just done.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's something that I have been doing
Speaker 2: now for a long time. I never played fantasy football
Speaker 2: before the show started. Now I can't stop playing fantasy football,
Speaker 2: mainly because people keep on asking me to be in
Speaker 2: their leagues. But it really there's so many variables to
Speaker 2: this game, and it's not unlike it's not unlike basketball,
Speaker 2: it's not unlike any sport where like it can go
Speaker 2: south at a moment's notice. You could come in a
Speaker 2: percentage point behind and lose that week. It's infuriating. It's frustrating.
Speaker 2: You could have a great season and just have one
Speaker 2: weekend where somebody goes off and knocks you out of
Speaker 2: the playoffs. It is a disgusting sport. And the worst
Speaker 2: part about it is listening to other people talk about
Speaker 2: it because it's it's so personal. It's like listening to
Speaker 2: somebody tell you their dreams. It only matters to you,
Speaker 2: but we all can understand the pain and the anguish
Speaker 2: of subbing. And thank god sleeper. I love the sleeper
Speaker 2: app for Fantasy. Tried it for basketball, don't know how
Speaker 2: I feel about it, but love the sleeper app for NFL.
Speaker 2: Now they have an auto sub, and thank God for
Speaker 2: auto sub. So now I don't have to worry if
Speaker 2: if I woke up ten minutes later and somebody is
Speaker 2: inactive who was supposed to be active the entire week.
Speaker 2: Like finally, I have a little bit of like okay,
Speaker 2: like I can rest easy. But this is a panic
Speaker 2: that just sets in and lives with me all year round.
Speaker 1: You mentioned you're in a few different leagues because people
Speaker 1: ask you. You're probably too nice. I know, our guy
Speaker 1: Chuck Mockler has you in one of his leagues. How
Speaker 1: many leagues are you in now? When you went from
Speaker 1: none to what ten thousand?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've cut it down in the years
Speaker 2: that post week because honestly, at a certain point, I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm not there. I'm not mentally there. Plus, I
Speaker 2: have two kids. I have an eight year old and
Speaker 2: a ten year old. I'm not sitting on the couch
Speaker 2: watching football all sunday. I would love to, It's not
Speaker 2: an option that's afforded to me as a parent. I
Speaker 2: gotta go out. I'm going to soccer games, I'm going
Speaker 2: to basketball tournaments. I'm out and about. I'm not like
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna come home and watch them on tape.
Speaker 2: So I'm really like, it's not like Clippers. My wife,
Speaker 2: my kids like Clippers. They'll let me get away with
Speaker 2: that football. I can't just be like. So my knowledge
Speaker 2: of football has suffered for sure. I have like ct
Speaker 2: from playing fantasy. So I think I'm about I'm in
Speaker 2: about like five leagues now, four or five. Yes, man,
Speaker 2: you know some are gonna like. But my only requirement
Speaker 2: now is if you're you have to be on the
Speaker 2: sleeper app for me to join your thing. Because I
Speaker 2: can't be jumping around to Yahoo and then going over
Speaker 2: to ESPN and then no one stop shopping for me
Speaker 2: is what I need?
Speaker 1: So I think you had people hooked with the league
Speaker 1: starting with the Eskimo Brothers.
Speaker 2: What Yeah, When did you know you.
Speaker 1: Had something special here that could last seven seasons?
Speaker 2: You know? It was always something in the back of
Speaker 2: my mind that I had confidence in because the creators
Speaker 2: of the show, Jeff Shaffer and Jackie Marcus Shaffer, they're
Speaker 2: married couple, both brilliant writers, but Jeffy come out of
Speaker 2: Seinfeld and Curb, and his approach to the show was
Speaker 2: very similar to Curb, just having a great premise, you know,
Speaker 2: terms like the Eskimo Brothers and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: then letting us improvise around it. So we really got
Speaker 2: to bring a lot of ourselves to it. But then
Speaker 2: when you look at like the work that He's come
Speaker 2: from and Jackie come from this giant comedy movie background,
Speaker 2: they were they had the football goods and they had
Speaker 2: the comedy goods, and very rarely do those two paths
Speaker 2: kind of cross. I've seen a lot of mediocre fantasy
Speaker 2: football comedy content, so I felt like when I knew
Speaker 2: something happened was in the second season because everyone had
Speaker 2: watched the first season on Netflix and after we had
Speaker 2: already been off the air, and it felt like there
Speaker 2: was an energy Oh when you guys coming back, when
Speaker 2: you're coming back so much so that when it hits
Speaker 2: like August September, everyone seems to be rewatching it again,
Speaker 2: which is which is something I love. You know, it
Speaker 2: really is truly a show that I love doing. I
Speaker 2: love that cast. I miss it. But we kind of
Speaker 2: got out when the getting was good. It was in
Speaker 2: a little dark in the football world for a bit,
Speaker 2: like it was Goodell, you know, look, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of things going on, and you know, I think the
Speaker 2: last season had me reenacting like a fight that ray
Speaker 2: Rice had with his girlfriend and an elevator in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. Now, we got out before
Speaker 2: we had to make any comment that we might regret
Speaker 2: about Colin Kaepernick, Like, like, I feel like we we
Speaker 2: avoided some of the bigger controversies that happened for a
Speaker 2: couple of years there.
Speaker 1: How do you guys take me behind the scenes a
Speaker 1: little bit with that process of scripted but semi scripted
Speaker 1: where you're still ad libbing a lot. How does that work?
Speaker 1: How do you find that balance? I guess, well, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: An interesting way of doing a show. It actually is
Speaker 2: something that that is not really done. You know, it's
Speaker 2: basically Curb in the League and maybe like a little
Speaker 2: bit of Reno NW one one. We're really base in this.
Speaker 2: But I would almost say that Curb in the League
Speaker 2: fall in different category because they are tightly scripted episodes
Speaker 2: as far as what is the plot, who's in this scene,
Speaker 2: where are we going? Like the episodes. You know, I've
Speaker 2: written a handful of League episodes, and it was harder
Speaker 2: to write than an actual script because what you really
Speaker 2: had to do was create enough stuff so the actors
Speaker 2: myself included, when you got on set you had enough
Speaker 2: to work off of, but also not enough that you
Speaker 2: couldn't go off and explore tangents like stuff like I
Speaker 2: think in like like I think I did this thing
Speaker 2: about like oh I'm Jack the Ripper, I'm cutting up
Speaker 2: losers and stuff like that's not in the script, but
Speaker 2: then we get to go off on that or like
Speaker 2: there was a thing where I'm running a marathon. Now,
Speaker 2: like when I said I'm running a marathon, They're like, oh,
Speaker 2: what a marathon. That bit was in the script. But
Speaker 2: then because I had this prop in my pocket called
Speaker 2: like like, it was like it was a gunk or
Speaker 2: junk like and I was born junk a spunk in
Speaker 2: my mouth, like that became a thing that we would
Speaker 2: run with. So really it was like if you just
Speaker 2: improvise the beats that were in the exact script, not
Speaker 2: the lines, because there were really no lines. There was
Speaker 2: more of a suggestion of dialogue. You would have a
Speaker 2: really funny script, but the power of the show was
Speaker 2: having a really funny outline that then we could expand
Speaker 2: and find different things on. Sometimes we'd stay very clean
Speaker 2: to script. Other times we'd go off on these big tangents,
Speaker 2: and then those tangents would actually develop into other plotlines.
Speaker 2: Like there was a joke I made one time with
Speaker 2: one of the girls in the show, the young girl,
Speaker 2: and I said, she said, oh, you're bald. I'm like, actually,
Speaker 2: I'm not bald. I have clear hair. It was just
Speaker 2: like a joke that I made to make Jeff and
Speaker 2: Jackie laugh, and then they left that in the show,
Speaker 2: and then like five episodes later that is now a
Speaker 2: part of my character. So that was something that was
Speaker 2: really funny, Like they would really always be incorporating stuff
Speaker 2: that we used into the show, and it was this
Speaker 2: really amazing process, and you never knew what they were
Speaker 2: going to use until you WoT to show that weekend
Speaker 2: or you know, that Wednesday, or whenever it came out.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, oh, well they use that instead of that,
Speaker 2: Oh they should have used this. There's so much stuff
Speaker 2: that was, you know, on the editing room floor. If
Speaker 2: you ever got the DVDs, you'd see tons of extended
Speaker 2: episodes and deleted scenes.
Speaker 1: Speaking of DVDs, I feel like some are missing from
Speaker 1: your catalog. I'm still trying to find Human Giant Volume
Speaker 1: two stuff in high quality, because I swear to God,
Speaker 1: the rob hu will skit where he cut his junk
Speaker 1: off for social media cloud. I know where I was,
Speaker 1: I know who I watched that with the first time.
Speaker 1: Like that is probably one of the funniest things I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2: And it's hard to find. It's incredibly hard to find.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're in this world right now where if
Speaker 2: you're if you're even a casual fan of Hollywood, you
Speaker 2: will know that these big streamers are essentially just big
Speaker 2: corporations that are looking to cut costs wherever they can.
Speaker 2: So you have a show like Willow on Disney Plus,
Speaker 2: a week after it finishes airing, they pull it off
Speaker 2: Disney Plus. You can't get it anywhere else. It's just
Speaker 2: gone or raised from existence. And you know, we were
Speaker 2: a little bit of a victim of that because they
Speaker 2: offered us a third season. Aziz had gotten parks and
Speaker 2: rec we were a little bit nervous about, well, do
Speaker 2: we have enough to do a third season? We said no,
Speaker 2: and they said, all right, well we're gonna pull off
Speaker 2: season two. So season two is lost to the masses,
Speaker 2: but we have the masters. We recently found them in
Speaker 2: a storage closet on Broadway in fifty second Street. But
Speaker 2: we were hoping that, you know, like a place like
Speaker 2: Shout Factory that does like these amazing re releases of
Speaker 2: like UHF and stuff like that will come and we
Speaker 2: could actually put together like a definitive Blu Ray Season
Speaker 2: one season two. I keep on saying it until somebody
Speaker 2: hears it, but we're going to try to really release
Speaker 2: it and give it its proper due with tons of
Speaker 2: extra stuff that we have.
Speaker 1: Let them know because it is a legendary sketch comedy show.
Speaker 1: Those who saw it remember it. Well, it's interesting you
Speaker 1: bring that up, and it's hard to find. I'm a weirdo,
Speaker 1: so I get upset when I hear like music overdubbed,
Speaker 1: of this generic stuff over DVDs because they couldn't get
Speaker 1: the royalties for the original music on like a d
Speaker 1: Austin's Creek episode or something.
Speaker 2: Even that bothers me. Well, here's the thing, and the State,
Speaker 2: the sketch comedy show. The State fell victim to that.
Speaker 2: So when you watch their show, it's completely overdubbed. They're
Speaker 2: even dubbing their voices because they were mixed in with
Speaker 2: the music. It's a mess. We came in at Human
Speaker 2: Giant right at the time of iTunes starting and YouTube starting,
Speaker 2: and there was a big mandate you have to clear
Speaker 2: all your music. So everything that we have is completely cleared.
Speaker 2: It is completely free and legally we own it. It's
Speaker 2: the right We did it the right way, and we
Speaker 2: still can't get it out. But I know what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Like shows like Moonlighting and SETV, they all kind of
Speaker 2: fall into this. They did for a long time into
Speaker 2: this category where you. Yeah, you had to change everything,
Speaker 2: you know, so you have that, you have shows just
Speaker 2: being disappeared, to mean, even Black Monday, which is a
Speaker 2: show we did for three seasons on Showtime. When Showtime folded,
Speaker 2: Black Monday just went away. I mean, hopefully we'll go
Speaker 2: to Hulu, We'll go to Netflix. But it was one
Speaker 2: of those it's a bummer because it's a great show
Speaker 2: with great guests, and you know, going back to great guests,
Speaker 2: a Human Giant we had everybody will aren't at Michael Sarah,
Speaker 2: Fred Armissen, Andy Samberg, Like we were packing that show
Speaker 2: with like all these amazing comedy people. So even from
Speaker 2: that perspective, when you look at it, you're like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: these guys really like we did. We hosted MTV for
Speaker 2: twenty four hours and people were just coming in that
Speaker 2: were just watching live on TV in their hotel rooms,
Speaker 2: like it was. John Krazinski came in and took the
Speaker 2: studio hostage. We had bands like masted On playing, and
Speaker 2: we had like actors from the Wire just because we
Speaker 2: liked the Wire. You know, it was it was a
Speaker 2: real wild.
Speaker 1: Time hashtag Human Giant Forever. And then the movie that
Speaker 1: could have been the laptop gets stolen multiple times.
Speaker 2: My gosh, yeah, you know the store. This is a
Speaker 2: nuts story. So you know, one of our fans of
Speaker 2: the show was Ben Stiller and this producer that Ben
Speaker 2: worked with, Mike Rosenstein. He's amazing. He produces the Eric
Speaker 2: Andre Show. Now made this great movie called Have a
Speaker 2: Good Trip, all about like LSD and mushrooms, and Mike
Speaker 2: showed it to Ben. Ben was like, we are one
Speaker 2: hundred percent on board. Whatever you guys want to do,
Speaker 2: let's go do it. And we had this idea, like
Speaker 2: a an idea that took place at a comic con
Speaker 2: where you know, I played my own twin Rob was
Speaker 2: like a like a Michael Knight from Night Writer type
Speaker 2: of like David Hasselff kind of hacked an actor and
Speaker 2: it was just kind of like heist and in kind
Speaker 2: of a little bit of like using internet fame to
Speaker 2: get back in the good races of America. So that
Speaker 2: was like the plan and asas was kind of behind
Speaker 2: this big giant issue that we had.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a damn shame the what If series?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and it got And so both times we've
Speaker 2: written a bunch our laptop got stolen and this is
Speaker 2: again before the iCloud and all this sort of stuff,
Speaker 2: like we didn't back anything up, we lost it. So
Speaker 2: then we got another computer started doing it, and then
Speaker 2: our director's car got broken into and that loptop was stolen,
Speaker 2: and we're like, all right, if this start has been
Speaker 2: stolen twice, maybe it wasn't the movie for us to do.
Speaker 1: This is fair. The movie gods have spoken here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the podcast gods have spoken, and they have declared how
Speaker 1: did this get made to be one of the greatest
Speaker 1: shows of all time? Oh? Earlier today I'm listening to
Speaker 1: because I watched a lot of stupid movies, like you
Speaker 1: guys doing the Room, and I know you have a
Speaker 1: virtual live tour right now, and Troll two's coming up
Speaker 1: on Friday, which of course is an all timer that
Speaker 1: you're doing. I was listening to Shark Attack three meg ladon.
Speaker 2: I think you're.
Speaker 1: Alive internationally over in Europe for that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what a poll by you guys.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, well, you know, actually that was a
Speaker 2: all right. So we have an amazing producer. Her name
Speaker 2: is April Hallie. She has been finding these movies for us. Now.
Speaker 2: The interesting thing about that that Shark Attack three that
Speaker 2: was actually in the States. But here's the thing that
Speaker 2: was interesting. It was the only show that we ever
Speaker 2: have done where we were a part of a festival.
Speaker 2: So people weren't buying tickets to come see how did
Speaker 2: this get made? They were just coming to see a show.
Speaker 2: And I think they saw, Oh, it's Jason Manzukis, it's
Speaker 2: June Diane Rayfield, it's Paul Sheer, let's go see this
Speaker 2: comedy show. And we were so nervous, right, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like what this is. We we did a little informal
Speaker 2: poll like the audience. It was like, you know, of
Speaker 2: the small house as far as how many people could
Speaker 2: actually even fit in there. And I would say like
Speaker 2: one third of the audience knew what the show was.
Speaker 2: The rest of them did it. And we're like, oh man,
Speaker 2: we got to walk them through Shark Attack three. Thank god.
Speaker 2: Shark Attack three is pretty easy to explain. Tsunami happens,
Speaker 2: Sharks get stuck in a supermarket. There's your movie, and
Speaker 2: then a bunch of supermarket workers, including a a guy
Speaker 2: who's holding a supermarket up for ransom or taking you know,
Speaker 2: stealing the cash registers. Is in there as well, wild
Speaker 2: movie absurd.
Speaker 1: I would like to pitch you something since I have
Speaker 1: you locked in the elevator for a second. I would
Speaker 1: love to hear a how did this get made? Type
Speaker 1: of episode regarding a Clippers roster, maybe, like how did
Speaker 1: this team get put together? Why are they drafting all
Speaker 1: over Candy? Why is Pete Chill cut on this team?
Speaker 2: Brian? Like, what are we doing? Guys? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Here was the thing. Here's what I'll say about that.
Speaker 2: It would we would have the same amount of confusion
Speaker 2: as we did about Shark Attack Free. Like sometimes there
Speaker 2: are no good answers to these questions like this is it? Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing. I came from New York. I
Speaker 2: grew up in New York. I was a Knicks fan
Speaker 2: my entire life. Came out to LA and really wanted
Speaker 2: to have a team that I would you know, that
Speaker 2: would be a part of my life as I lived
Speaker 2: out here. I knew I wasn't going to go back
Speaker 2: and wanted my kids to be invested in the team.
Speaker 2: And you know, so I got involved with the Clippers,
Speaker 2: but I had no knowledge of like their history. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I like Blake Griffin. He seems cool.
Speaker 2: This is interesting, Like you know, there was like a
Speaker 2: newness to it. And man, when I read The Curse,
Speaker 2: that is a that book is just I mean that
Speaker 2: is talking about it. I mean that is a how
Speaker 2: to this get made? Of the Clippers? The every element
Speaker 2: of it is like I had to put it down
Speaker 2: at points back. I can't take any more of this.
Speaker 2: This is just It is a tragedy. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is put this up next to like Shakespeare's greatest works.
Speaker 1: It seemed to be cruel and unusual punishment until Steve
Speaker 1: Balmer came along with this scene. In the last ten years,
Speaker 1: he has them pointed in the right direct.
Speaker 2: You mentioned coming over from New York.
Speaker 1: Did you have to shed any past fan ships or
Speaker 1: allegiances to the Knicks or the Nets, or was it
Speaker 1: that easy to come as a no?
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I will always be a Knicks fan
Speaker 2: at heart in the sense that I love the Knicks.
Speaker 2: I grew up with the Knicks. But I love like
Speaker 2: Patrick Ewing, John Starks, you know, Charles Oakley, like that
Speaker 2: those were my Knicks, right, I love like that team
Speaker 2: was amazing, and then the Knicks kind of did that
Speaker 2: thing to me. That almost it's almost an unlike. Well,
Speaker 2: it's interesting because it's very similar to the Clippers. You know,
Speaker 2: you have this weird owner that's kind of manipulating things.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're reaching the right way, sometimes they're not. They're
Speaker 2: so close, they're so far away. And it was a given,
Speaker 2: you know, give and take. And I thought when I
Speaker 2: came to LA that, oh the Clippers, what what a relief.
Speaker 2: They're on the upward. You know, got Doc, got Blake,
Speaker 2: We're going and and you know, still there were some issues.
Speaker 2: You know. The one that I have had the hardest
Speaker 2: time kicking ultimately is the Jets. I haven't really found
Speaker 2: my team. My kids love the Kansas City Chiefs, so
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm a Chiefs fan. I'll be a Chiefs fan.
Speaker 2: I don't have an LA team. I would like to
Speaker 2: have an LA team. My wife won't let me root
Speaker 2: from Matt Stafford because he didn't like Matt the way
Speaker 2: that Matt Stafford laughed when that purporter fell off stage
Speaker 2: after they won the Super Bowl. Like She's like, Noah,
Speaker 2: I can't room for that guy. So we are a
Speaker 2: little teamless. But Aaron Rodgers, you know, look, I could
Speaker 2: check in on the Jets like Aaron Rodgers perfect example, like,
Speaker 2: you know, just like that's Jets in a nutshell from
Speaker 2: Gino Smith and every person that was going to be
Speaker 2: something it turned out to be nothing. And I was
Speaker 2: a Yankee fan growing up. But Yankees now I feel
Speaker 2: like it's too cliche to even like because when I
Speaker 2: was growing up, it was like Dave Winfield and Don
Speaker 2: and and you know, it's like and it wasn't like
Speaker 2: the you know, and then of course it became like
Speaker 2: the Derek Jeter. But now it's like, oh, it's it's
Speaker 2: like the Lakers. The Lakers of baseball is the Yankees,
Speaker 2: you know, And so it's hard to be like, I'm
Speaker 2: a Yankees fan baseball kind of an I'm out the
Speaker 2: door on.
Speaker 1: Is it strange at all? Have you caught any agree
Speaker 1: for taking any s from Lakers fans celebrity friends, because
Speaker 1: the majority of them are Lakers fans. Here, if you
Speaker 1: are famous in LA, you're a Laker fan. You're not
Speaker 1: with the Clippers. How's that relationship been like for you?
Speaker 1: Have you had any interesting interactions?
Speaker 2: You know, when my when the Clippers do something that
Speaker 2: is bad or bad to my Laker fan friends, I
Speaker 2: get my phone's blowing up everything. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: what you signed hard and what you got Westbrook like
Speaker 2: that kind of you know, everyone's got a pipe in,
Speaker 2: you know, even like Bomber says, there's too many yurinals.
Speaker 2: What you know, it's like it's anything to engage and
Speaker 2: enrage me. I will say this in the comedy scene,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of Clippers fans. I think that's
Speaker 2: because comedy people are underdogs. They root for the underdogs.
Speaker 2: It's hard to root for like the the jock, right,
Speaker 2: you want to be the person who kind of comes up.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've said too much. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 2: on repeating it because people hate it when I say it.
Speaker 2: But I would say this, the Lakers are a Hollywood
Speaker 2: team and the Clippers are an LA team, and and
Speaker 2: there is I think there's a truth to that. I
Speaker 2: think even now at the into a dome like that
Speaker 2: is I think very much what we're trying, what we're
Speaker 2: kind of pulling across, it's like it it does feel
Speaker 2: like you're going to a movie premiere. Sometimes when you
Speaker 2: go to the Lakers games, they drop the curtains. You're
Speaker 2: watching a trailer for you know, you know whatever some
Speaker 2: you know Michael Bischer battleship too, you know. And and
Speaker 2: then meanwhile you have the Clippers who you go to
Speaker 2: into a dome and they have every jersey of every
Speaker 2: like high school squad and and you know, you have
Speaker 2: Bomber like working about buses and getting people into the
Speaker 2: stadium in thirty dollars seats and about the fans. They're
Speaker 2: redoing the the the parks across the country, like you know,
Speaker 2: I've made across LA. It's like they're investing in LA
Speaker 2: and I think that that actually is paying off huge
Speaker 2: dividends with kids and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like a ground roots movement. We know
Speaker 1: the Lakers have the past, who's going to have the future.
Speaker 1: And with the Clippers having their own home now with
Speaker 1: into a dome, I believe I had some intel on this.
Speaker 1: You've gotten a tour, a private tour of into a dome?
Speaker 1: Is that has that occurred yet?
Speaker 2: Well, like so I not as so much a private tour,
Speaker 2: but I got to be at the end of a
Speaker 2: dome the night that it opened, the Bruno Mars night,
Speaker 2: so I got there before anyone was let in and
Speaker 2: to see it completely like literally completely empty, but ready,
Speaker 2: like ready to go was a mind blown experience. You know,
Speaker 2: of course check out my seats, my season tickets. I
Speaker 2: you know, I love the club level stuff. I the screen,
Speaker 2: I don't I can't express to you why it's so amazing,
Speaker 2: but holy cow, when you see that screen, it is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't like it sounds silly, like
Speaker 2: when I heard people talking about the screen, Oh, the
Speaker 2: screen and the screen, like, yeah, who cares the screen?
Speaker 2: I've been to Doubt, I've been to the Cowboys Stadium.
Speaker 2: I've seen that screen is unlike anything I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: I don't know the clarity, it's close, it's small, it's intimate,
Speaker 2: the remote controls and the like. Everything is done to perfection.
Speaker 2: And I love that they are just rocking through concerts
Speaker 2: right now to get it ready. Like I feel like
Speaker 2: by game day it's everything's gonna be ironed out and
Speaker 2: ready to go.
Speaker 1: It's almost feeling like augmented reality, like we have some
Speaker 1: other lens when we go into that arena and we're
Speaker 1: seeing something that is not supposed to be real. But
Speaker 1: caliper Nation is benefiting.
Speaker 2: When I got a last year, maybe two years ago,
Speaker 2: my friend Phil Lord, who you often will see court
Speaker 2: side there Lord Miller. They you know, Lego movie twenty one,
Speaker 2: Jump Street, Spider Verse. They invited him because he has
Speaker 2: these amazing seats to take a look at the boxes,
Speaker 2: you know, at the into a Dome. So they basically
Speaker 2: created an into a dome across the street from Crypto
Speaker 2: and you could walk around and that was really interesting
Speaker 2: because you know, they're selling this high level boxes and
Speaker 2: what you saw on there was I mean, it really
Speaker 2: blew my mind and it got me excited about this
Speaker 2: world that Bomber was building because the person said, you know,
Speaker 2: Steve Bomber is the type of guy where you'll say,
Speaker 2: well this, we love this, and we also love this,
Speaker 2: like pick one, and he's like both. And that's what
Speaker 2: it feels like. When you're in the into a Dome.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, it's not like no expense was spared.
Speaker 2: It was like no two expenses were spared. Like every
Speaker 2: thing feels like it's this and that, you know, And
Speaker 2: I think that that's what is kind of overwhelming about it,
Speaker 2: but also incredibly personal and small and fun.
Speaker 1: He's delivered on everything within his control. There's nothing you
Speaker 1: can do about some of the injury luck the Clippers
Speaker 1: have had, but when it is in their control, I
Speaker 1: feel like they have had this franchise you know, at
Speaker 1: the top when it comes to taking care of the
Speaker 1: fans here, I want to get you.
Speaker 2: I will say this taking care of the players, Like again,
Speaker 2: injury things are out of our control. But practice facilities,
Speaker 2: the way that they built this facility, the stuff they
Speaker 2: have there, Like you know, when you talk to like
Speaker 2: people like Reggie Jackson would say, like what goes on
Speaker 2: you know, behind the scenes in that you know, Like
Speaker 2: it sounds silly to say, but like every type of
Speaker 2: peanut butter you would possibly want when you make a
Speaker 2: peanut butter and jelly, these small things that I think
Speaker 2: make a huge difference to players, like like it makes
Speaker 2: you not only you know, it's a reason to play there,
Speaker 2: it's a reason to do it for me. I know,
Speaker 2: when I get to work on a set that's got
Speaker 2: great stuff, it's like it just makes the entire experience
Speaker 2: more enjoyable. And when you're busting your ass like these
Speaker 2: guys are, to also be taken care of on that
Speaker 2: level too, is pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Great selling point for free agents and Clippers. I hear
Speaker 1: the uh, the road locker room team is actually well
Speaker 1: taken care of too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, because that's that's how you do your fishing,
Speaker 2: right You get people go, oh man, what's going on here? Right?
Speaker 2: Like and and of course it would be it's only
Speaker 2: smart to really take care of both sides because you like,
Speaker 2: you know, Bomber can't go out, no one can make
Speaker 2: a you can go out and say, oh hey, come
Speaker 2: over to us, come come play, you know whatever it is,
Speaker 2: but you can show them what it would be like,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Not tampering, just to have locker room for the road
Speaker 1: team exactly speaking about this Clippers team, what's to come
Speaker 1: this season? But also I want to go back a
Speaker 1: little bit because my last episode we were talking a
Speaker 1: lot about Paul George in recent comments he made or
Speaker 1: his father made on podcast P and some of the
Speaker 1: disappointing comments he made regarding them being the B team
Speaker 1: in LA.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you this, you will not find a
Speaker 2: bigger PG defender. I love PG. I think that PG
Speaker 2: stepped up when Kawhi went down. I thought PG took
Speaker 2: the leadership role on his back. He led the team,
Speaker 2: made people play well, He had an energy, he had
Speaker 2: fun I was a supporter of PG. Were there issues
Speaker 2: with him, absolutely, like anybody right, No one's perfect, right.
Speaker 2: But he did his job. I thought he was a
Speaker 2: team player. Everything that he has done in this offseason
Speaker 2: has soured me so greatly on him because it's revisionist history.
Speaker 2: I know as a podcast P fan, he's gonna talk
Speaker 2: some stuff, and you would say, like PG, go to
Speaker 2: media training, figure out what your thing is, because here's
Speaker 2: the thing.
Speaker 1: LA.
Speaker 2: We're chill, it's cool, nice weather, weed is available. You
Speaker 2: go to Philly, those fans are cold. They got an edge.
Speaker 2: I'm from the East coast. Philly's got an edge. New
Speaker 2: York we think we got an edge. Philly got an edge. Right,
Speaker 2: it's cold, and they take it's it's what they got.
Speaker 2: There's no two teams, you know, even in LA. Even
Speaker 2: in California we got like five teams. They was like,
Speaker 2: it's all or nothing. He makes one comment on one
Speaker 2: podcast and then a week later pulls it back and
Speaker 2: says something else like they're gonna eat him alive. And
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a part of me it's like
Speaker 2: somebody send up a warning flag to PG because his
Speaker 2: exit here has been bad. I also think and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go out on a limb and say one more thing.
Speaker 2: I know you don't want to talk about it. I do,
Speaker 2: I do, please, I will say this. Where I find
Speaker 2: it to be irresponsible is as somebody who has a
Speaker 2: podcast go back and edit it out, go back and
Speaker 2: say not everything is for air, you know what. We
Speaker 2: may be pushed too hard there because I think at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, when the facts are there,
Speaker 2: the facts are there, and I think that a lot
Speaker 2: of people have. If you it's just like do you
Speaker 2: want to dig a little bit deeper? I think everyone
Speaker 2: wants to make a point. You let them go for nothing.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, but what what was the other option? Right?
Speaker 2: We get tied up in contracts that then we can't
Speaker 2: make another move, And in my opinion, we ran it back.
Speaker 2: We ran back three times. It didn't work. It couldn't work.
Speaker 2: Did it work in moments, yes? Could it work maybe,
Speaker 2: but we tried it for three times. Like at a
Speaker 2: certain point you have to go, maybe we should date
Speaker 2: somebody else. Has nothing to do with PG. It is
Speaker 2: about the organization. And we made a move that yes
Speaker 2: we got nothing back, but we do have next year
Speaker 2: next free agency where We're not going to be tied
Speaker 2: up in contracts like we have an old team. I
Speaker 2: mean that's everything too, we have an old team. Like
Speaker 2: that was I think a forward thinking move, and everyone
Speaker 2: looks at it so myopically like we should have just,
Speaker 2: you know, we should have just gotten something. We should
Speaker 2: have gotten a why don't get a you know, it's
Speaker 2: like it's like it's it's not like it's like it's
Speaker 2: a lack of knowledge of even how like contracts and
Speaker 2: the NBA works. It's who was even out there that
Speaker 2: we're gonna get this package from Golden State That is nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean, is that would be like, oh, well, you
Speaker 2: got this kind of crap package. It's like, all right,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Better to get flexibility. That's what they got and Nick
Speaker 1: batoon back Aaron Derek Jones Junior, a guy who just
Speaker 1: locked up Paul George Chris Dunns.
Speaker 2: A great move.
Speaker 1: Looks like they actually have an identity for the first
Speaker 1: time I can say in a while, Paul, because to me,
Speaker 1: it's always felt like they have one with overwhelming talent
Speaker 1: when it's available. But I don't exactly know what type
Speaker 1: of team they are now they're leaning into defense.
Speaker 2: Well, let me let me bring one thing to you,
Speaker 2: because somebody articulated it to me the other day and
Speaker 2: I thought it was a beautiful way of talking about
Speaker 2: this team. There. I think, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: review what this person said because I think it's just
Speaker 2: a good point and I hadn't really heard it say.
Speaker 2: The team really was built around Kawhi, And the mistake
Speaker 2: with that is that Kawhi fits in wherever he is
Speaker 2: fit in on the Raptors kind of perfectly. He fit
Speaker 2: into their system. It wasn't built around him, and the
Speaker 2: team probably should have been building around uh PG in
Speaker 2: a weird way, right, and then Kawhi could have just
Speaker 2: sought it in and fit really well. Instead, they kind
Speaker 2: of built around Kawhi. I think for Kawhi's style of play,
Speaker 2: Harden is a better partner for him. I think that
Speaker 2: Harden played really well for us last year. It took
Speaker 2: him a beat to get used to it. But I
Speaker 2: also think it was tricky to figure out where his
Speaker 2: place was within those three. I think this year is
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot cleaner. I think when you look
Speaker 2: at the playoffs, I think Harden PG had no excus
Speaker 2: use not to step up with Harden, who was playing
Speaker 2: at I thought max efficiency in the playoffs except for
Speaker 2: one game, you know, Harden at one bad game, because
Speaker 2: the same can't be said for Peach had two good games. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so now I feel like, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 2: be like these are guys Harden will take that, like
Speaker 2: Harden will play his side, or you can play hard offense.
Speaker 2: And I like it. And then we have these guys
Speaker 2: who actually want to play defense, because that's been this argument, right,
Speaker 2: Like I'm too tired to do both, you know, we
Speaker 2: need to. Like, so we got Harden, who's gonna be
Speaker 2: our point guard, you know, got that. We got Kawi
Speaker 2: will do his thing. But I like this build. It
Speaker 2: reminds me of not in well, I mean a little bit.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen team
Speaker 2: where you have like these guys you know, like Trez
Speaker 2: and uh you know and Pat Bev. You know, these
Speaker 2: guys who are you know, just pushing their way in
Speaker 2: making it known, being a menace, making it hard on
Speaker 2: other teams. I still think we're lacking that, like powder
Speaker 2: Keg guy who I think and I would love it
Speaker 2: to be bones, you know. I I hope there's I
Speaker 2: hope there's room for bones on this team. I think
Speaker 2: there could be, you know, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: but we have a lot, We have a lot of guys. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: our young guys get kind of tossed to the side.
Speaker 2: I love tea man. There's a lot of good stuff
Speaker 2: surrounding this team. It's just like, can we get over
Speaker 2: whatever issues held us back? We know that during the
Speaker 2: doc era there were locker room issues, right, I feel like,
Speaker 2: if I'm reading the tea leaves a little bit, there
Speaker 2: were locker room and front office issues last year. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's gone away, but maybe it is.
Speaker 2: I think we've we've gotten rid of some stuff we've
Speaker 2: had some like was it addition by some traction we've
Speaker 2: you know, And and I think we're playing with a
Speaker 2: bunch of guys who just want to prove a point.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad that we kept Norm Powell. I'm glad
Speaker 2: that we've kept a bunch of these guys.
Speaker 1: I like, sorry to tell you guys, Paul Sheer knows
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, it's a great analysis. I feel in
Speaker 1: a similar similar way with you about more defined roles
Speaker 1: with Kawhi next to James Harden, where you know who
Speaker 1: James Harden is. I don't know, or I didn't know
Speaker 1: who Paul George was going to be each and every night.
Speaker 2: Is he going to play like a superstar?
Speaker 1: Is he going to just try to blend him play
Speaker 1: like a role player?
Speaker 2: Who is he?
Speaker 1: And then you have this I don't know, redundant or
Speaker 1: similar skill set with Kawhi Leonard where James Harden and
Speaker 1: Kawhi are so different in the way they play, and
Speaker 1: Harden has always elevated guys around him so well. Before
Speaker 1: it beats Zooboss went down with that cap injury I
Speaker 1: think in early January where the Clippers went to that
Speaker 1: rut for about a month and a half playing five
Speaker 1: hundred ball, he and Harden had a great connection going.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that now with Big Zoo being back.
Speaker 2: Well Zoo you know has been I mean knock on
Speaker 2: wood like, he's very injury not and the team that
Speaker 2: gets a lot of injuries, he is very very rare
Speaker 2: to get him that one playoffs with the Sons. I
Speaker 2: forget the year, I mean all the years blend together now,
Speaker 2: But but I agree with you. I think the thing
Speaker 2: that again, I don't know that. I watched PG talk
Speaker 2: to Serge Ibaka about a game, and it was like
Speaker 2: watching two people speak a foreign language. I did not
Speaker 2: understand what they were like. I'm like, wow, they are
Speaker 2: at such a high level of discourse about what's happening.
Speaker 2: But I can say that it felt to me always
Speaker 2: like PG needed permission to step up. I think Harden
Speaker 2: reads the room and goes, Okay, that's not working. I'll
Speaker 2: take over and and you know, and I think that
Speaker 2: you know where we'd gotten into trouble in the past
Speaker 2: two is you know, Kaui is known for that amazing
Speaker 2: shot that they took on the you know it was in
Speaker 2: Toronto that you know, following that fade it goes in,
Speaker 2: you know, that beautiful shot. But there was a period
Speaker 2: of time where we're like, just give the ball to Kwai,
Speaker 2: let it go. And I don't think that Harden will
Speaker 2: always give it to him, nor do I think that
Speaker 2: Kawhi will take it from him to be like I
Speaker 2: got this last shot. I think that there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of a different mentality between those two guys. It's
Speaker 2: like they're both not afraid to take the shot. They
Speaker 2: both can give and take, but they're not waiting for
Speaker 2: somebody to say, Okay, it's your turn, now it's my
Speaker 2: turnout where I felt like sometimes the PG Kawhi connection
Speaker 2: felt a little like Tiki Taky like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it's underscored by coach flu having
Speaker 1: it to tell Paul George, you're one of the best
Speaker 1: players in the league. I need you to be that guy,
Speaker 1: not somebody who thinks of himself as a number two.
Speaker 1: Because skill set wise, you can do everything. So what's
Speaker 1: the issue here? So no one should have to tell
Speaker 1: a guy that you're paying that much money to be
Speaker 1: a superstar, that you are a superstar. It is clear
Speaker 1: to everyone, so take over in those moments. And I
Speaker 1: do think that two man game people are calling it
Speaker 1: twenty one with Uno, with James Harden, with those number
Speaker 1: two with Kawhi Leonard. I don't know what the new
Speaker 1: nicknames are going to be. Two and three connection era
Speaker 1: is over, So yeah, uh, what did you think about
Speaker 1: if East a Zoo Boss Game resigned on that deal,
Speaker 1: because to me that it still feels like a steal
Speaker 1: having him on the team, even for this number that's
Speaker 1: coming in after this season.
Speaker 2: A no brainer, A no brainer right the to me,
Speaker 2: Zoo is a completely underrated player, even though when you
Speaker 2: look at like the list of stats, when you look
Speaker 2: at the rebounds, when you look at his percentage points
Speaker 2: across the board, he is in like the top five.
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's interesting. He doesn't make noise, but
Speaker 2: he is a dominant force in the league that no
Speaker 2: one really recognizes. I think he is amazing for a team.
Speaker 2: I think that whatever Harden did with him. I had
Speaker 2: heard that Hardened after practice would be all right, Zoo,
Speaker 2: you're with me, and they would practice for two more hours.
Speaker 2: And he saw that out there. You saw that connection
Speaker 2: between the two of them and only going to get better,
Speaker 2: you know. And I just hope that we still have
Speaker 2: more years of Harden kind of being as good as
Speaker 2: he is. But here's the thing. I've grown to like Harden.
Speaker 2: If you told me two years ago like Harden, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be so psyched. But I do believe that like
Speaker 2: his style play fits in really good here. He's somebody
Speaker 2: who's happy here and he doesn't play like this is
Speaker 2: gonna say that people will roast me for this, but
Speaker 2: I don't feel like he plays hardball, like where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm worried about him getting like he's got his own
Speaker 2: pace and static. He's somebody that I feel like can
Speaker 2: exist a little bit longer in this game. Like so
Speaker 2: his age doesn't worry me. I'm not like, oh, he's
Speaker 2: only got one or two more seasons left. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wild for saying that. Maybe I've just drunk
Speaker 2: drunk the because I have to. You know, it's a vision.
Speaker 1: It's not getting worse, Like he can read the game
Speaker 1: as well as.
Speaker 2: Ever, and I just feel like he he sets a
Speaker 2: tone and in a great way, the way that you know,
Speaker 2: the way Step sets a tone, Like he just has
Speaker 2: a a confidence to him, and even when it's not working,
Speaker 2: there is something like like I don't there's moments with
Speaker 2: certain players on this team in the past where I'm
Speaker 2: like it's not working, but yet like they don't seem
Speaker 2: to acknowledge it's not working, like I think Harden does
Speaker 2: seem to. Like Harden will be like, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is not working for me. I'm gonna not take fifteen
Speaker 2: more shots. You know. It's like it's like he like,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's what I what I really love
Speaker 2: about this past season was like the way that norm
Speaker 2: would we would be tanking, you know, it would be up,
Speaker 2: we'd be down, and then you know, and then and
Speaker 2: then norm would come in and just be this silent,
Speaker 2: this this assassin just get us back in the game
Speaker 2: every time. But it was like that was you know,
Speaker 2: for them to just be like, we're just feeding, We're
Speaker 2: gonna feed you. And he That's what I love about
Speaker 2: Norma is that he could just come off the bench
Speaker 2: and and knows his role gets right in. It doesn't
Speaker 2: need any ego stroking. He's just he's a player.
Speaker 1: Really interested to see how he We mentioned Zobots, Terrence Man,
Speaker 1: guys like that having bigger roles this season, you would assume,
Speaker 1: of course without Paul George or more opportunities to score
Speaker 1: and get buckets. What are your overall expectations for this season?
Speaker 1: What's their ceiling you think, Paul, because we mentioned James
Speaker 1: Harden and Kawhi Leonard, I don't think when either of
Speaker 1: those guys have been relatively healthy in their careers, their
Speaker 1: teams have missed the playoffs. So this is you would
Speaker 1: hope that they're healthy enough they can both play sixty
Speaker 1: plus games this season. Should that be the case, where
Speaker 1: do you think this team ends up.
Speaker 2: I think we've opened ourselves up to a really interesting roster.
Speaker 2: It feels like an ego less roster in a way.
Speaker 2: I'm curious about, you know, Button coming back. I love him.
Speaker 2: Interesting they came back, When he came back, and how
Speaker 2: he came back. I don't know if there's anything more
Speaker 2: there underneath it, but he's back, and I'm excited for that.
Speaker 2: We need that. We've missed that last year. I think
Speaker 2: that it will be a fun season for everyone who's
Speaker 2: predicting that we're going to be twelfth or thirteenth, I
Speaker 2: think that's absolute insanity unless something goes horribly wrong. But
Speaker 2: this is a team that is going to be a
Speaker 2: defensive pest. You are not going to want to play us,
Speaker 2: and I think that that's what we need to lean into.
Speaker 2: That identity is what we need to figure out. I
Speaker 2: think that Tie, in a weird way, has a lot
Speaker 2: more landscape to play with. He doesn't have to worry
Speaker 2: about a dissatisfied Russ. He doesn't even have to even
Speaker 2: worry about it. Dissatisfied Marcus Morris, I know, has been
Speaker 2: gone for a little bit, but like you know, or
Speaker 2: and he doesn't have to know PJ Tucker, Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: but PJ. Like, here's the thing about PJ. It feels
Speaker 2: like PJ could be dissatisfied and they're like that whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like you know, and by the way
Speaker 2: they put him in, they put they played plaoffs and
Speaker 2: he wasn't bad, like like you know, he wasn't but yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, right, it could have been worse. And I
Speaker 2: but I feel like some egos have been released. I
Speaker 2: think that it's a cleaner relationship with our two guys,
Speaker 2: and I don't see anyone else on the team worried
Speaker 2: about it. I feel like what I'm actually interested in
Speaker 2: is what what are the who am I looking out for?
Speaker 2: I'm looking out for too. Mobamba does like that's interesting
Speaker 2: to me. You know, I want to see if that's
Speaker 2: a guy that we can really rely on. I mean,
Speaker 2: I still miss Hertenstein, you know, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: what a bummer, I mean to trade him for a while,
Speaker 2: I mean, and then you know, and by the way,
Speaker 2: I've never heard picked all your guys. Man, we took
Speaker 2: all your guys. I love Reggie, love Reggie. Reggie worked out,
Speaker 2: Reggie worked out. But you know, but I'm looking at it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, this is this is this is
Speaker 2: an interesting team. You know. I love how co You know,
Speaker 2: Coffee to me is a fun guy. He I think
Speaker 2: really stepped up last year. I love the new guys.
Speaker 2: I'm curious camp Christy, like, there's a lot of lot
Speaker 2: of interesting stuff. By the way, and now this is
Speaker 2: where I get to be a bad Clippers fan. Who
Speaker 2: is the dude who went off in Summer League that
Speaker 2: we all loved? And Jordan Miller? Jordan Miller? What's going
Speaker 2: on with Jordan Miller right now? And I'm sorry that
Speaker 2: I'm not I am Do we know as he is?
Speaker 1: Hey, you were the one with him on the red carpet. No,
Speaker 1: I think he's a training camp guy. He's on a
Speaker 1: two way contract right now. I think it's gonna depend
Speaker 1: on how this season goes. Like he's in a position
Speaker 1: on the team where there are some wings that he'd
Speaker 1: have to fight through to get playing talent. But I
Speaker 1: think Paul, if he bawls out a training camp, if
Speaker 1: he looks good at Hawaii after dominating in the G
Speaker 1: League last year, it wasn't just Summer league.
Speaker 2: He was averaging twenty two points in the G League,
Speaker 2: that's eighth in the league.
Speaker 1: Then he dominates summer league. It's like you have to
Speaker 1: throw more challenges at him and see where his ceiling is.
Speaker 1: I think if he plays really well on training camp,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a shot.
Speaker 2: That And that's the attitude that I want this team
Speaker 2: to have, right And I feel like that's what we
Speaker 2: get with Derek Jones, with you know, Chris Dunn. Like
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, we're in the zone where
Speaker 2: it's like all right, and I do and I look,
Speaker 2: there's a lot you know, there's some been some tricky
Speaker 2: pickups too that we've had, right, some pickups of guys
Speaker 2: who have a little bit of a pass that's like oof,
Speaker 2: you know, and you know, or or it's like is
Speaker 2: this second chance a minute? Like you know, we can
Speaker 2: lean into and find some some you know, sign find
Speaker 2: some diamonds in the in the in the rough, you know.
Speaker 2: And I just feel like chips when we are playing
Speaker 2: not for the chip, but with a chip on our shoulder,
Speaker 2: we're a better team totally.
Speaker 1: They have been able to outperform expectations. You mentioned guys
Speaker 1: talking about them being the twelfth seed, not even being
Speaker 1: a playing team this season. I don't think that bulletin
Speaker 1: board material will be lost on this Clippers team. I
Speaker 1: don't think missing out on playing in Team USA, even
Speaker 1: for someone who is so hyper focused and meticulous about
Speaker 1: everything he does and doesn't hear the outside noise and
Speaker 1: isn't on social media, I don't think Kawhi Leonard is
Speaker 1: gonna forget about missing out on that time at TMOSA.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, chances are there is going to be
Speaker 2: a season where Kawhi is rare to go. And by
Speaker 2: the way, last season he was great, you know in
Speaker 2: that new blow up, like what he's got, like, let's
Speaker 2: just call it. Let's call it out for what it is.
Speaker 2: He is. You know, he's got a degenerative knee disease. Right,
Speaker 2: that's just that's just the what it is, right, It's
Speaker 2: it's not can't heal, It's got to be managed. I
Speaker 2: think he's doing a great job at it. So anytime
Speaker 2: anyone goes, oh, he sits, he sits, he sits. But
Speaker 2: every person that wants to talk about Kawhi, why would
Speaker 2: you sign that guy? He's always getting injured. Every person
Speaker 2: who says that is also the same person who says, well,
Speaker 2: they should trade him to the Warriors. Oh, they should
Speaker 2: trade him over here. Why we would take him? The
Speaker 2: reason why you want to take him is because you
Speaker 2: know what we know, which is but the one year
Speaker 2: where it doesn't happen or you know, it's the year
Speaker 2: that you have to be like whoa, And it sucks.
Speaker 2: It sucks for him that he is so good and
Speaker 2: is dealing with this chronic thing. But that's what it is.
Speaker 2: It's not He's not streak closed, He's not anything. He's
Speaker 2: the only guy I've seen that like I feel like
Speaker 2: like Lebron like understands his body, but he just has
Speaker 2: dealt that hand. That's his hand, unfortunately. But the upside
Speaker 2: is just as high as the downside.
Speaker 1: You know, when Kawhi is healthy. I think Lawrence Frank
Speaker 1: said it best when they signed him to that three
Speaker 1: year extension this past season, is like anybody can get hurt,
Speaker 1: but not everyone. When they're healthy, can be a top
Speaker 1: five player in the league and be I think a
Speaker 1: top ten player all time when it comes to a
Speaker 1: playoff series. I don't know if there's ten guys I
Speaker 1: would take over Kawhi Leonard in that setting, like he
Speaker 1: is a killer.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we're talking about a killer at this age. Like, again,
Speaker 2: you take away the injury of the same injury, it's
Speaker 2: always the same injury. It's a variation of the same injury, right,
Speaker 2: you know. It's like like but it's like he was
Speaker 2: putting up those numbers, he was playing to that high level.
Speaker 2: It's not like he's getting worse. The injury is what
Speaker 2: has to be managed, not It's not like, oh, well
Speaker 2: he's getting slower, he's getting his this he's he's the guy.
Speaker 2: When he's the guy, he's the guy. And you know, honestly, like,
Speaker 2: if you're betting on this team, that's the bet you
Speaker 2: gotta take.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I don't want to let you
Speaker 1: go before asking you about the book, not that you
Speaker 1: need any help promoting it for me. You've been on
Speaker 1: Compare and everything, and it's a New York Times bestseller,
Speaker 1: but Joyful Recollections of Trauma, Yes, because it's an autobiography
Speaker 1: and I know there was some heavy content in there
Speaker 1: and difficult subject matter, and you were very revealing, like
Speaker 1: is there a balance between the cathartic nature of it
Speaker 1: and just being so open and vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know. Look, my goal is this. I
Speaker 2: am a comedian, I'm an actor. I'm first and foremost.
Speaker 2: My job is to entertain, right, And that's how I
Speaker 2: took this book. I'm gonna talk about stuff that's maybe dark,
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit difficult, but I give you one
Speaker 2: sentence of that and the next sentence is going to
Speaker 2: be a joke. It's a balance, right, And I feel
Speaker 2: like that's what I really strove to do. Like I
Speaker 2: when I was writing it, I was thinking about how
Speaker 2: would I tell you this story. I'm gonna make it fun.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna just sit here and trauma dump on you.
Speaker 2: The book isn't therapy. The book is, if anything, a
Speaker 2: reflection of therapy. And also like looking back and having
Speaker 2: these kind of insane fun moments and different backdrops are
Speaker 2: put behind them. So you know that was my job
Speaker 2: is to make this book a fun read and maybe
Speaker 2: it will take you to different spots. And that's good too.
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, I think you can. You know,
Speaker 2: it's joyful recollections. Trauma not just trauma. You're just trauma recollections.
Speaker 2: You know. The audiobook is super fun because we pop
Speaker 2: in clips from how did this get made? There's some
Speaker 2: live readings of it, but yeah, it's it. To me,
Speaker 2: it's it's I've been so thrilled to hear people's reactions
Speaker 2: to it, and everyone's reactions are completely different. The only
Speaker 2: person that I need a reaction from, though, is the
Speaker 2: people I dedicated it to, which was I dedicated it
Speaker 2: to Steve Bomber, Tylu and the Clippers organization. I put it.
Speaker 2: It's in the back of the book, you know, and
Speaker 2: I and I made sure it's in there. I wanted
Speaker 2: to tell Bomber and Tie that when I saw them
Speaker 2: at the Bruno Mars thing, but I acted too cool.
Speaker 2: And I appreciate how I acted because there's also a
Speaker 2: whole section in that book about how I embarrassed myself
Speaker 2: in front of people I really like. So I played
Speaker 2: it good. I got a high five from Bomber because
Speaker 2: I fact checked or I name checked. Go Factor Yourself
Speaker 2: or his new web series, which is amazing to watch.
Speaker 2: If you've not watched it, get on his fact based
Speaker 2: YouTube channel show where he's just like laying down information.
Speaker 2: It is awesome and I love time. I love time.
Speaker 1: God bless Steve ballmer TYLERU, the Clippers organization. I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you this because I've always wondered this with
Speaker 1: comedians and I've never had a chance to really talk
Speaker 1: to anyone like this in this format. How do you decide?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I know it's different for everyone. Louis c. K may
Speaker 1: say some stuff that nobody else is gonna say. Uh,
Speaker 1: how do you decide where your threshold is, what's permissible,
Speaker 1: what you're okay with? Like obviously no Clippers shokes, But
Speaker 1: how do you decide?
Speaker 2: You know? I think you know, for me, different points
Speaker 2: in my life, I will probably find different things funny. Right.
Speaker 2: I hope to always mature, help to always grow. But
Speaker 2: I think I was taught very early on that you
Speaker 2: punch up, you don't punch down. And and I hope
Speaker 2: that if I am if I'm saying something that might
Speaker 2: be controversial, if I'm saying something that may not be
Speaker 2: a popular opinion, that I am smart enough to defend
Speaker 2: it and not just take a very cliche point of
Speaker 2: view about it. I think a person that I look to,
Speaker 2: and again I'm not a stand up, but the person
Speaker 2: I look to that does that really well is Bill Burr.
Speaker 2: Like he will say some very divisive things, right, But
Speaker 2: at the end of fifteen minutes, when he explains why
Speaker 2: he said that thing, if you don't agree with him,
Speaker 2: you at least see his point. And I feel like
Speaker 2: that's like and I think that. I think where comedy
Speaker 2: goes bad is when it's lazy, like and oftentimes lazy
Speaker 2: points of view, like when you look through your history
Speaker 2: of oh that person was canceled for this joke or this.
Speaker 2: I don't think you're finding anybody can't for any jokes.
Speaker 2: I think what you're finding people getting ripped apart for
Speaker 2: is being lazy, not actually having a fully defined point
Speaker 2: of view. It's like it's like there are these hack jokes,
Speaker 2: you know, like I when I was growing up, it
Speaker 2: was like, oh, these types of people are bad drivers.
Speaker 2: It's like it's it's like where I grew up with
Speaker 2: like polish jokes. It's like, well, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's just it's not interesting. It's not
Speaker 2: a point of view, it's it's it's just kind of
Speaker 2: like different, different, different, different is bad. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think as long as you you could say
Speaker 2: anything you want, as long as you aren't lazy about
Speaker 2: you know about saying it, and I think that that.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are go, kude, there
Speaker 2: anything anymore. It's like you could say whatever you want
Speaker 2: because there are movies like you know, you look at
Speaker 2: like something like Bruno or Borat, and like these movies
Speaker 2: are saying the people always said like, oh, you can't
Speaker 2: make Blazing Saddles again you could. That movie has a
Speaker 2: defined point of view. Borat has a defined point of view.
Speaker 2: South Park has a defined point of view. Like these
Speaker 2: shows know what they're saying. I think where comedy gets
Speaker 2: in trouble is when you don't know what you're saying
Speaker 2: and you're just saying something for a reaction, for titillation,
Speaker 2: beautifully put.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna use that for the
Speaker 1: teas or the Paul George Parker, I've got a lot
Speaker 1: to pick at here he is the great pulse Here again.
Speaker 1: The book is Joyful Recollections of Trauma and check it
Speaker 1: out on Friday. How did this get made? Virtual live tour?
Speaker 1: They're doing troll too, which if you didn't know, it's
Speaker 1: an all time banker. When it comes best of the
Speaker 1: worst movies.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for having me. This was
Speaker 2: a blast, Like I said, keep on doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2: I love this new layout. By the way, I noticed
Speaker 2: that I've been psyched to see it, and yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean this we got any exciting season here, so I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm ready for it. I'm ready. I know football
Speaker 2: season starting, but I'm like, let's go. I need I
Speaker 2: need to get I need to see these guys back
Speaker 2: out there again.
Speaker 1: Well, you're helping me greatly with the show, not just
Speaker 1: by coming on, but now it's like, oh, I'd go
Speaker 1: to Frankie Muons and be like I had Paul Sharon.
Speaker 2: You know, I know you have Carl tart on all
Speaker 2: the time, and Carl is the best Carl. Julie Bowen, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Julie Bowen. I just did Hollywood Squares with Julie Bowen.
Speaker 2: It's good. It's I know there are there are Clipper
Speaker 2: fans out there, and I will say that, you know,
Speaker 2: if I could ever get to talk to to Jillian,
Speaker 2: I would be like, you lose us, Like you you
Speaker 2: have people like like I'm not looking for free tickets,
Speaker 2: like I don't care about it, but like, there are
Speaker 2: there's talent there, there's stuff to jump off of, you know,
Speaker 2: and you know. I think there's a lot of diverse faces.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of fun faces. It's like
Speaker 2: you got it, Like just lean into us, you know,
Speaker 2: because it's like we're there and we are passionate Clippers fans.
Speaker 1: Paul, she's a part of clipernation and willing to help
Speaker 1: in any way he can. This Clippers team is gonna
Speaker 1: be a fun season. We're all looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to this all day long. Paul,
Speaker 1: you more than delivered for me. I don't deserve you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for doing this. Yere our Clippers Talk.
Speaker 1: So man uh for Paul's sheer, I'm out a mouslins
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: This has been another episode of Clippers Talk. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to you guys next time.