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Speaker 1: What is up, fellows, sickos and apparently hard woodies. I

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am Dana Valley coming at you with the one, the only,

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the certified fantabulous, mister Grant Hughes. We are entering the

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final stretch post draft of our off season. Look aheads

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for every single team. We have three more to get

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to as you're watching this, and we're onto the Toronto Raptors.

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Fun team to talk about, or maybe a confusing team

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to talk about. I should say, Grant before we belly

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flop in, how the heck are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm confused? Let's we should let's unconfuse ourselves. The Raptors

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are as you describe them.

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Speaker 1: So sort of the my like just overarching question for

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them is what is the endgame? Not overall but this

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season they haven't gotten prohibitively expensive, but they're not cheap.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The brandon Ingram trade sends mixed messages like were they

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being opportunistic? But then they extended him for like the

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three years and one whatever it ended up being. They

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were heavily involved, at least tangentially. And the Kevin Durant

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sweepstakes and the roster you look at it has a

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lot of talent, but also this overlap and some redundancies.

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My gut thing before we dive into their vitals, or

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my gut feeling is this is a team that's clearly

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trying to accelerate its position in the east. Grant, do

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you agree with that or do you think that it's

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more open ended than that.

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Speaker 2: No, I think I would mostly agree with that, And

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you can sort of trace that back to like what

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their return package was Frognanobi. Remember, you know they go

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quickly and bear it as the headliners, and that's that

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wasn't the pick heavy package that maybe they could have

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gotten elsewhere. So I think you're right, and I would say, like,

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weren't weren't they the team that we used to just

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like it became a bit of saying like pick a direction?

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Were they? Were they like high on the list of

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teams We used to say that about all the time.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if I did. Maybe you

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did because I was so project six' nine. Pilled, yeah

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but SO i might have been. Hot I'VE i, think.

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Speaker 2: Well there was that that was their defining feature for

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a long. TIME i felt, like, Yeah, NO i think

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they're hard to figure. Out they like you, said they

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have considerable, Talent like there's real starting level, talent and

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Maybe barnes is quite a bit better than, that and

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Maybe ingram even is better than. That but it do

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you feel though that it's just like it it's, good not,

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great AND i just don't know how it becomes great

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other than Maybe Scotty barnes is a high volume forty

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percent three point shooter or something like.

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Speaker 1: That that's like THE i hate going back to the

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shooting for, him but he does so much else well

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already that it's like if he hits his pull up

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jumper at a more consistent, clip or starts shooting thirty

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eight percent on like five three point attempts per game or,

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something it completely changes the trajectory of this, team which

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if the margin for popping is kind of that, small

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it's almost a good. Thing but it's also as you're sitting,

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here AND i tend to consider myself As Scotty barnes,

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OPTIMIST i don't know that you can, say, oh, like

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The raptors clearly have like the best player on what

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would be a team that can contend to come out

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of The east over the next few, years.

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Speaker 2: RIGHT i THINK i think, That, yeah that's the the,

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again it's the, good not, great and and and it's

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just like how do you how do you change? That and,

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look parody is the thing now and especially in The.

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East so maybe maybe very good is enough to catch you,

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know the right kind of run and you do a Pacers.

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Uh but but, like, YEAH i don't, know we should

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get into let's get into kind of well the nuts

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and bolts.

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Speaker 1: Here the final hindsight is twenty twenty thing is The

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pelicans giving up that PACER's pick looks. Egregious but when

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you trace it back to The raptors giving up that

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PACER's pick and the Brandon ingram, trade that's. One that's,

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man that's a missed. Opportunity either's a trade asset or

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you couldn't have known that was gonna happen To.

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Speaker 2: Halliburton but that's what are you gonna?

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Speaker 1: Do that's a weird what? If, yeah they're? Vitals did

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you want to you want to take us through this team's?

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Speaker 2: Vitals happy To? Uh so they are in the tax

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uh and just about three and a half million under

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the first apron and that those calculations include uh new.

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Uh as we discussed on that the draft seemingly ill

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Fitting Colin Murray boyles and all the non guaranteed deals

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that doesn't include Though Chris bouchees free. Agent, hold do

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you want to just start talking About Chris bouchet right

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now or should we go through the rest of the vitals?

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Speaker 1: Here do you think he gets the max or just

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close to?

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Speaker 2: IT i, mean if you're the Only canadian to win

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a title for The, RAPTORS i say, Yes, uh can

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he get the thirty percent? Escalator is that possible if

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you're not on a rookie?

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Speaker 1: Skill can you include language that gives him forty five

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percent of the cap when when he Wins Defensive player

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of The.

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Speaker 2: Year, yeah or like just a couple all NBAS i don't.

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Speaker 1: KNOW i hope we have first time watchers and listeners

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have no idea why this is a? Bit.

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Speaker 2: YEAH i hope this gets cut and just aggregated and sent.

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AROUND i, Mean Chris bouche's people should be all over this.

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Speaker 1: Negotiations they're going to bring this clip to, negotiations, like all, Right, well.

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Speaker 2: So if it is not the, max The raptors also

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have the probably the mini mid level five point seven.

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Million they could act that without cutting any. Salary what

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do you, Think, well is he back and what do

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you think that looks like contract? Wise if he, is

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and do THE i, mean, look, hey, Shooting we've will

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mention it, Again. Chris one of the Things Chris bousche

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can do is, shoot and and The raptors need, that

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especially up, Front so like you would think he's someone

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they should. Prioritize BUT i just don't know if there's

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a number that's going to make sense for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Involved doesn't it feel like maybe a two, year like

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a one plus one at the midle like the mid,

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level so fourteen point one, million and then the set

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like the escalator rais or maybe two for thirty or,

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something just because that's a very movable, contract especially if it's.

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Expiring AND i, think, yeah you could say that they

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have other contracts if you look At, barrett if you

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look At, perle that are easy to. Move but if

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you value those players more long, term you need that

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you don't have like That Bruce brown salary slot, anymore,

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right or The Kelly olynik of just like these expendable,

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players AND i don't Think Chris bouchet is expendable because

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you mentioned it's a, bit but it's also you just

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meant the front court right, now, like, yeah you would

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need his stretch at the four of the.

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Speaker 2: Five it's a bit born out of the truth a little.

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Bit so's a couple other things. Here they have all

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their own future. Firsts they can trade up to four

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of those this, summer AND i guess that's five if

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you count the guy they just, Drafted Marie. Boyles they,

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WERE i, MEAN i. Don't you probably have this on

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a slide if you're, watching but like they, Were they've

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been mentioned and a lot of you, know the honest

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stuff seemed just as real as any honest stuff ever

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got so far this, summer and THE kd stuff we mentioned.

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Earlier they do seem. Ambitious and so that's WHY i

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wonder about someone Like bouchet is it's just, like, WELL

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i don't, know are they? Are their sites set on bigger,

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things and they'll circle back to someone we believe is

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the most important player on the.

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Speaker 1: Roster, well so before we get into the extent like extension,

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ELIGIBLE i actually think that whether it's him or if

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you were able to open up the full mid level

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powder at this point for you honest maybe next, summer

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which they could in theory do having that extra salary

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on the books that you attached. To, okay who are

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you sending? Out but to make the math work without

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having to give up you, know maybe if you're going

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to The bucks and you're you wind up giving, them

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you prefer to give up draft equity rather than one

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of A quickly and A Barn's And i'm just naming

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like the more expensive. Players, now if you feel That

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ingram And barnes And peerl AND. Rj barrett and all

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those guys are just sort of not interchangeable but, expendable

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you don't need, that like to Make Chris bouchet a.

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Priority BUT i actually think that if you're looking to

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make a bigger, trade he can either be using a

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mid en trained by himself to match salary or he

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kind of gets you over the math hump in one

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of those bigger. Deals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah and then, again LIKE i feel Like i've had

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this thought about a lot of, Players bouchet is kind

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of like right in that pocket of WHERE i think

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you're gonna have to go mid level or better because

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somebody out there is probably gonna offer that or. Something

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you know WHAT i, Mean like he's there's a honestly

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blood Of. GOD i mean maybe, not but you know

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WHAT i mean that that feels like a THOUGHT i

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Speaker 1: Offseason, Yeah i've like, wondered is he, like if he's

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falls into the bigger mid level maybe not getting all of,

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it but does he get more than the mini mL

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Speaker 2: TEAM I i, YEAH i think. So And i'm not

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like we're not doing a bit. Anymore LIKE i think

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he is like the mid. LEVEL i would would give

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make threes as the center is, like that's that's more

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than a five point seven million dollar player to.

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Speaker 1: Me our first extension candidate for, THEM i would think

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is also their most important Ochaiak boji can sign his

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rookie stale. Extension these are the max numbers just for,

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reference so when we're talking about throwing out other. Numbers

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four years and one hundred and ninety point five or

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five years and two hundred and forty six point. Seven

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they could include the ALL nba escalator that gets him

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to five and two ninety six if they want how

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Much it's a twofold QUESTION i have for, You, grant

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how much do you think he's worth if you were

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to sign him to an Extension and are you okay

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signing him and then effectively taking him off the table

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for trade talks this season because of the way that

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the poison pill provision.

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Speaker 2: Works so, yeah that is an interesting aspect of it

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THAT i hadn't given a ton of. Thought, actually there's

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a prediction piece that we're collaborating on that will probably

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long since have come out when this episode goes. Up but,

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LIKE i think he's someone that the three AND d

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seems to be. There he's a little undersized for that,

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position so not. Perfect but he's also a guy, that

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like was traded eighteen months into his rookie scale contract

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for a basically The jazz basically, said we'd just rather

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have another first rounder instead of. You so it's like

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he's been kind of close to not being out of the,

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league but like being someone that the team essentially like

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he wasn't the main part of that deal between Utaon

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toronto felt more like a throw, in and it felt, like,

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oh that's like a low moment for his. STOCK i

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say all that to just sort of, contextualize like he

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might be someone that's like if you offered him four

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that would feel. Low but he's also been close to

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like this could be it or like you, know like

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really slipping down into like you're a minimum guy after

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this rookie scale deal's. Over SO i do think he

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could be, had and If I'm, Toronto i'm very much

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interested in like anything up to like four for. Sixty

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at this, POINT i don't know if he would if

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he would sign, that because if he has another year

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like last, year then he probably just beats that number

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Speaker 1: Factors, yeah It's i'm also not like fully used to

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what are the three AND d like plus not much

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else guys going to get and parties like would you

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say no to twenty million dollars a? Year and that's

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so if he's making twenty million in what does this

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extension kick in twenty twenty, six twenty twenty, Seven so,

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like what is that in terms of the one hundred

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and seventy million.

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Speaker 2: Dollars that's like twelve.

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Speaker 1: Percent, honestly that's PROBABLY i might let it go into

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restricted free agency if like the four for sixty maybe

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four for, SEVENTY i might just pounce If I'm toronto

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anything above. That what we know about restricted free agency

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so far is that even teams with cap space mostly

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steer clear of. Them SO i would probably be, Like,

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okay if you have a good year and you can make,

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more we have to match an offer, sheet so be.

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It AND i might prefer to keep the trade optionality

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open because at four for eighty or even four for seventy,

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five it feels like that deal is less likely to

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turn into team.

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Speaker 2: Friendly it's, YEAH i don't. KNOW i THINK i think

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what the MORE i think about, it and what you

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MAY i think they lowball him and then he probably says,

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no and then you just use restricted free agency as

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the tool that it's supposed to. BE i think maybe

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that that's my bit my likelyest outcome.

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Speaker 1: Here would you before you move. On would you face

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four for seventy if that gets him to, sign would

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you do that as the raptors or would you prefer

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a way FOR rfa at That because you mentioned four for,

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SIXTY i THINK i might.

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Speaker 2: WAIT i think If I'm, Toronto i'm doing like four

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for forty five or four for forty just to see.

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Speaker 1: He's been up and down to your, point that's.

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Speaker 2: WHAT i, Mean like he. Might that's life changing. Money

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you lock in forty million, Dollars LIKE i just, Again

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I'm i'm very much persuaded by like he. Was there

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was a minute there where it was, LIKE i don't

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know if this guy's going to, stick and maybe that's

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something that motivates him to take a lower. Offer UH.

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Speaker 1: Rj barrett's, EXTENSION i think we can run through the

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next two pretty quickly because they feel it's just something

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to keep an eye. On but his new, deal he

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signed an. EXTENSION a new deal kick in during his

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twenty twenty seven twenty twenty eight, season at which time

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he'd be age twenty. Seven as of right, now he

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can sign for up the three years and one hundred

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and forty three point three million, dollars which would take

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him through two thousand and thirty two and thirty. One

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this doesn't Like i'd be shocked if he got an.

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EXTENSION i don't know where you're. At maybe the numbers.

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Lower this is just the max that they could offer.

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Him maybe it's lower than, That BUT i don't know

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what you would want that Would, Okay, yeah we want

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to be in THE. Rj barrett business for the next half.

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Speaker 2: Decade, RIGHT i don't think he's the caliber player you

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do that, for especially now with the in the apron,

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era AND i, think, like, what how bad is it

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if he's almost a thirty million dollar expiring salary in

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twenty six twenty, Seven, LIKE i don't feel like that's

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a bad outcome if you're The.

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Speaker 1: Raptors and then if he pops this year for some,

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reason under whatever context you want to frame it, as

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you could just extend him then like on a forty year,

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extension he probably still signs. It, like looking at what

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the money is annually, HERE i don't think He's you're

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in danger of seeing him price himself out of extension.

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Speaker 2: Talks, no, RIGHT i.

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Speaker 1: Agree Yakub peertl also falls under this as, well with

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a little rogue like yellow thing behind. HIM i don't

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know WHAT i did there YEARS i don't. Know, YEAH

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i don't know WHAT i. Did so he can extend

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for as A so he kind of has a couple

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options because he does have that player option at the

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end of his deal That barrett. Doesn't soas of right,

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now you could extend him for three years an eighty

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eight point five, million then that would kick in during

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twenty twenty seven twenty. Eight but if he declines his

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player option for twenty six twenty, seven you could extend

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him for four years and one hundred and twenty two

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point three. Million, AGAIN i don't think he should sign

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an extend like his an extension like for the full.

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Years i'm not saying they have to give him the

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max here would take him like through his age thirty

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four season. POTENTIALLY i just they seem very married To Yaka.

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Purl they didn't want to include him For Kevin. Durant

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they gave up what was that the number eight pick

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to get him, back and there's been like some rumblings

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that they might just extend. Him to. Me i'm just just, wait, Guys,

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like let's see what this roster look. Likes together before

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you decide. That, yakob WHO'S i want to make it,

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clear is very, good very, useful especially on. Offense BUT

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i think there's gonna maybe come a point where they

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need a different look at.

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Speaker 2: Center, defensively he's A he's kind of another example of

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the good not great issue here where it's like you're

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fine If Yaka pearl is your starting, center you're probably

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not fine if you're paying. Him what we're talking like

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those max numbers we have up, there that's, LIKE i

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DON'T i don't know what kind of roster you're building

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out if you're maxing even you, know max is LIKE

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a means fifty different. Things but Like purl is just

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not someone that can make a huge chunk and you'll

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be a very good, team you. Know if that's an,

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Oversimplification but that's kind of Where i'm out on.

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Speaker 1: It is there any number for him where where if

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he was Like i'll sign for three and forty, five

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does that what's the? Fight?

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Speaker 2: Uh, Yeah oh, YEAH i think that'd be fine because

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that's a LOWER i, mean that's less than he's making

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now and next year and the CAP's going, up So i'm.

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GOOD i, mean, also you've got his age thirty four

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season in twenty nine to, thirty so this is coming

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up his age thirty LIKE i this, Season so why

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are we, like we must assume that he's going to

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have some decline in there, Too and he's not a

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guy that can, lose you, know half a step and

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still be, like, oh he's. Great that's not where.

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Speaker 1: He would you do it for net neutral money where

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it's like he still wants the nineteen to five per

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year for let's say three with.

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Speaker 2: The cap going, up you could probably talk me into,

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that just just because it really is like less, money you,

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know relative to how much you're allowed to. Spend But

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i'm not Going i'm not giving him a, RAISE i don't.

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Think maybe that's the simplest way to put.

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Speaker 1: It if the past is, prologued, though they probably are

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going to extend him and give him a raise as.

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Speaker 2: Well they do really like, HIM i, mean but he

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seemed like a, great like locker room. GUY i guess

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MAYBE i made. Stuff we don't.

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Speaker 1: Know of the three primary extension eligible, players Ak, Bajie,

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perdle And, barrett who do you think is most likely

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to get?

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Speaker 2: One Probably perdle just because he's the.

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Speaker 1: Guy logic would dictate it's Ak bajie just because the

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rookie scale, stuff but it feels like it would Be pertle.

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Speaker 2: Too, Right he's never getting. Away they did it, once not,

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again all.

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Speaker 1: Right so now we get into just kind of like

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the meat and potatoes of their. Offseason and there are

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some notes on screen if you're, watching what do, you

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Mister Grant hughes view as their single biggest need it.

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Speaker 2: It has to be, Shooting And i'm open to the,

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idea LIKE i joked about, it BUT i Think barnes

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can be, better even though that's like not the thing

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you have him out there to do as like option,

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one AND i, Think, ingram maybe the volume will be there,

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FINALLY i don't, know maybe maybe after so many nights

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it was last, year, right well that's WHAT i mean it, Was,

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yeah it. Was it was a career. HIGH i forget

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what the number, was maybe close to six attempts a,

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game JUST i don't have my proprietary three point attempts

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per game up in front of, me but for memory

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serves it. Was it was more than he'd ever shot

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and and like, quickly my there's there's like, upside like

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Maybe Grady dick just you, know in addition to some

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of the playmaking flashes we saw like two off seasons,

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ago is is just gonna be a knock down. Guy

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there's ways, Forward BUT i still am just like you

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need someone out there maybe and Maybe agbaji like replicates

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what he. Did it's still in need until it isn't

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like maybe this will you know next next summer will

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have a different, take but that's really. It and then

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secondarily like are we like what do you think about

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the playmaking Between quickly And? Barnes are We are we good?

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There because that like that's part that's related to the

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shooting issue, too in kind of in a can you

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can you generate enough good ones for your subpar shooters

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to just you know be more productive than they the

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percentages suggest that's kind of a related.

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Speaker 1: THING I i still feel like they could maybe use

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like a floor general, type not in the starting, lineup

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but just to manage the game when you're not gonna

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have these multiple ball. Handlers i'm, like if you're gonna

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start to Stagger ingram And barnes And barrett And, quickly

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you could use just sort of a you, know the

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names that'll come up will be Like Tyas jones or

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just someone to come in and manage the. Game BUT

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i also recognize that like having a bunch of on

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ball decision makers who maybe AREN'T a plus, passers but

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they're good, enough like you can figure out the Like,

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Oh Oklahoma city is a perfect, example they don't have

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and their offense goes through you, know these peaks and.

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Valleys but Like Shake, Eiler alexander's fantastic and he's better

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as a playmaker THAN i think anyone on The, raptors

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but they don't have like an a plus plus passer

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on the rotation right.

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Speaker 2: Now, YEAH i. AGREE i would say that, though like

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The raptors defense could be a, strength but it isn't

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gonna be what The thunders. Was and so if you

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do have those playmaking issues where it's like point to

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the really really great passer on The raptors, roster like

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just like you can't really point to that person on The,

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thunders it matters more if your offense is is hamstrung

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in that, way if your defense isn't like the greatest

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of all. Time, so LIKE i do think they just.

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DON'T i, mean news, flash The rappers don't have the

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margin for error that the thunder do. Offensively SO i

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know you don't like me to break, news BUT i just.

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Speaker 1: Did it also feels like the other thing, too they

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could use like better rim, protection just because right now

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you're looking At perdle just as a rim. Protector he

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had those really good seasons In San, antonio but since

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then it has fallen. Off do you believe in Mog

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bo would like take any of. That There's Chris bouchet

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if you bring them. BACK i know they Have Colin

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Murray boyles, now but it just feels like they could

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use a reserve big at. LEAST i, Mean i'd actually

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prefer to come from the starting, center to be, Honest

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but that's another need that they and ideally you would

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figure out a way to check that box in one

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BUT i don't. Know you, know are you Getting Al

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horford Or Brook lopez Or Miles turner and free? Agency probably.

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Speaker 2: Not, yeah we already hit on the game manager. Guard,

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WELL i feel, like you know we're doing needs, here

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but like there is kind of there's quite a bit

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to like, here just because they're gonna have like plus

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players pretty deep down the. Rotation just in, GENERAL i

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just again we're. Talking if we're talking, CEILING i just

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DON'T i don't know how high that.

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Speaker 1: IS i think if you had to isolate it, too

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like this is something they need to, do because you're,

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right they are deep and just like If Grady dick

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continues to get, better if If jamal shed gets, better

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maybe you hit On Jacoby. WALTER i think what they need,

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though is of all the. PLAYERS i think of every

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single player we've, Mentioned Akbaji barnes like quickly is the

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most bankable shooter on this, team and you might have

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like Maybe Brandon ingram has sort of a high floor

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and then questionable ceiling in that. DEPARTMENT i think they

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just need to come in, here like get someone to

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come in here and even if he's not one of

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your top six, guys just can get up threes and make,

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threes like can you Get, yeah they can't Get Malik.

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Beasley they're not gonna bring Back Gary. Trent they can't

469
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,440
afford him, anyway probably Like sam Or Luke, canard like

470
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,400
just taking a flyer On Lindy. Waters it feels like

471
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,960
again because as you, mentioned they have so much. Talent

472
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,359
i'm open to the idea that maybe this team can

473
00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:13,160
just be. Better and one of my questions, here like

474
00:21:13,279 --> 00:21:15,079
unless you would just have any other, names like to see.

475
00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:18,759
That LIKE i GUESS i have two. Questions it starts

476
00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:20,799
with before getting into will they be involved in a big?

477
00:21:20,839 --> 00:21:24,000
Trade is do you think people are, overthinking including, us

478
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,240
the redundancies on this roster when you're looking at The,

479
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,119
barns The, barrett The pearle of it all in terms

480
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,599
of the space that they all want to.

481
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 2: Occupy, NO i. DON'T i. DON'T i think that's a real.

482
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:42,680
Issue that is again like all the, talent the talent,

483
00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:45,519
is it's a high level of. Talent the fit is not,

484
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,400
great especially now that you're Introducing Murray, boyles, who LIKE

485
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,359
i know he's a rookie and like he wasn't gonna

486
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,559
be odds are he wasn't gonna be a helpful player,

487
00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:55,960
anyway at least this. Year but like, that just there's

488
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,599
a lot of guys that occupy the same space and

489
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,759
it's gonna be difficult to sort of create some room to,

490
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,640
BREATHE i think unless something. Changes AND i also think

491
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,599
the fact that they have been you want to be,

492
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,359
ambitious but the fact that they've been involved in talks

493
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,680
of regarding like big name players suggest that they kind

494
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,680
of also think, that, like you, know as, CONSTRUCTED i

495
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,799
don't know how if this is gonna, work. RIGHT i don't.

496
00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:23,319
Know Maybe i'm reading too much into, that BUT i

497
00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:26,920
don't think that's an unfair conclusion to jump.

498
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,759
Speaker 1: To, no not at. All and SO i guess my

499
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,559
question to you, is let's just assume we KNOW kd

500
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,799
is now off the. Table let's Say yiannis is off the.

501
00:22:35,799 --> 00:22:38,839
Table is there any sort of star that could technically

502
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,480
become available that would move you as The raptors to

503
00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:44,200
think again about all, right, yeah looking at future pick

504
00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:48,119
some of these salaries, HERE i can start throwing names at, you, like,

505
00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:50,240
so as an, example one would be if he becomes,

506
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,279
available which the way this team is, Operating i'm assuming

507
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,799
Not Trey, Young like that's not a Name i'm looking.

508
00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,200
At but what, if, again doesn't look like he's gonna come,

509
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,920
Available like what If LaMelo ball.

510
00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:02,519
Speaker 2: That was gonna because then you're talking about the volume

511
00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,160
shooting and then like the floor general aspect of, it

512
00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:09,839
like jaw was another, name but like there's that's not reason. Shooting,

513
00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:11,680
YEAH i don't think that's the right way to go

514
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,880
and then like you can't really assuming quickly would probably

515
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,519
be going. Out BUT i don't like those two. Together

516
00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:17,759
what ABOUT i don't.

517
00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:20,279
Speaker 1: Know Kobe white, team that's a pretty easy salary to Mat.

518
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,319
Speaker 2: Kobe white's gonna be the guy that we go, like,

519
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,000
well if that top tier is not, there he'd be pretty.

520
00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:26,920
GOOD i think he's gonna fit a. Lot he's, Good,

521
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,599
well he'll come up more than once probably and it already. Has,

522
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,200
YEAH i Like Kobe white. There i'm trying to, think,

523
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,680
like what About Derek? White do you, Know I'm i'm

524
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,240
happy to Send Derek white do.

525
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,799
Speaker 1: It off of everything that they need, though because that's

526
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,960
not an all in. Trade but that's, oh you've given

527
00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:44,000
up the equivalent of multiple first round picks and a

528
00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:44,680
salary at that.

529
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: Point, no but he is just purely additive because he

530
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,240
would give you the spacing and he has proved to

531
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,880
be someone that will he can get them up at

532
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,440
high volume if that's what you want him to. DO

533
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:54,920
i don't know if that's the best use Of Derek.

534
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,559
White he is not going to be the guy that

535
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,200
runs lots and lots of pick and rolls like. That

536
00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,519
you're you, know is in control of the, OFFENSE i don't,

537
00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:05,960
think but, yeah like it's a it's a pretty small,

538
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,839
crop right Like Trey Young LaMelo or like even like

539
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,400
maybe maybe available types that those teams just kind of

540
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,680
signaled that, no, right like, right you, know, yeah, YEAH

541
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,960
i don't like would they be if for some reason

542
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,680
the heat, Pivot like are they A Tyler hero?

543
00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:25,799
Speaker 1: Team is that too? Redundant With Emmanuel? QUICKLY i mean you?

544
00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: Could you know the issue with him is he's gonna

545
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,240
get targeted a, lot AND i guess you've got some

546
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,279
of the defensive infrastructure to mitigate. That is he someone

547
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,799
that you want like at the controls all the? TIME

548
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,880
i know he had a great scoring, season BUT i

549
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:40,920
don't know if he's the guy.

550
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,079
Speaker 1: EITHER i think if you're Keeping barnes And, quickly like

551
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,160
you just have enough of. That if you're Adding, HERO

552
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,440
i would feel better about, That like If, ingram whether

553
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,240
he's still there or, Not LIKE i feel better about

554
00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:54,759
that passing trio THAN i Do Ingram Quickly barns if

555
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:57,200
that that's more of a HOW i feel About ingram.

556
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,400
Type they also could like Star, bit like what If

557
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,119
Karl Anthony towns was available that's a lot of, money

558
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,799
but for what this team could use on.

559
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: OFFENSE i, mean between him And, ingram do we have

560
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,720
the two guys that we've begged to shoot more threes

561
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,039
on the same over the last few, years on the same, roster,

562
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,079
RIGHT i, mean the theory of Carl oft would make, sense, like,

563
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:20,359
oh he's gonna space the floor like so different From

564
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,000
perdole in almost every. Way but if he's like you

565
00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:27,400
just have to like in the trade, call there has

566
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,559
to be like a caveat, that like you must shoot

567
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,319
a threes a game or this is rescinded forever and

568
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,599
you have to go play in The philippines like this

569
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:35,640
SOMETHING i don't.

570
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: Know, yeah That's do you have any any other names

571
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,400
that are worth talking?

572
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,599
Speaker 2: Like it feels like probably would be ONE i would

573
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:44,839
look at pretty. Hard we already talked about maxing him,

574
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,359
Out but, YEAH i think IF i were, Them i'm

575
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,920
still trying to improve on the, margins AND i already

576
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,839
see myself talking myself into this, team like when we

577
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,720
go back and do the auction like the as currently,

578
00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:58,279
constructed But i'm just trying to improve like the, shooting

579
00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:00,599
the spacing on the, margins maybe getting a better protect

580
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,039
like no one that breaks the bank And i'm kind

581
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,759
of saving my ad like because they have a lot

582
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:07,519
of assets and movable. SALARY i am waiting for that

583
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:10,240
next no brainer guy to become, Avent like what if

584
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,640
it's what if it's the honest what if It's Jaron Jackson.

585
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,640
JUNIOR i know the rebounding would be pretty, bad but

586
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,400
like he would make a lot of sense on this.

587
00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:19,559
Team it just feels like that's the route they should.

588
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:22,200
Go and maybe they were trying to be more opportunistic

589
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,440
by being involved For Kevin, DURANT i, mean look at

590
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,240
what he ultimately went. For maybe they thought that they

591
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:30,359
could get him for number nine And barrett and like

592
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,519
other salaries they didn't. Want although the structure of any

593
00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:35,440
deal like almost felt like it had to be two

594
00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:38,000
of their core salaries for, Them and it makes me

595
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:40,039
wonder why They maybe they were and we didn't hear about.

596
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:41,960
It they should have been in On Desmond baine because

597
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,200
you could put together something similar to What orlando. DID i,

598
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,799
mean if you're willing to put those picks on the,

599
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:49,920
TABLE i Think toronto might be less willing to give

600
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,000
up unprotected in the future Than orlando Because orlando's got

601
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:55,319
a little bit more of a track. Record but Like

602
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,279
bain is someone that there's your three point volume that

603
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,000
LIKE i and he can actually like would he be

604
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,319
the best pick and roll playmaker on the, team it'd be, Close.

605
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,799
Speaker 1: Like they they don't have the nas read would make

606
00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:09,519
a lot of sense here and assigned in, trade but

607
00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:11,160
they just then you got to get onto the first,

608
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,519
apron WHICH i guess is somewhat doable for. Them that'd

609
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,319
be an interesting name if they could get, him and

610
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,920
that shouldn't cost you. Everything what about this is an everything?

611
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,799
GUY i don't know if he does enough of, defensively,

612
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,079
sure but the rim protection in the space that like Bam,

613
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:28,920
adebayo like if the heat just completely, pivot he.

614
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: WOULD i think he's also six foot.

615
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: Nine he feels like A toronto, player, right he.

616
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: Does feel like A toronto. Player, yeah you.

617
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,039
Speaker 1: Have anything else on this team out? THERE i think

618
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:39,559
they have the chance to be really interesting this, offseason

619
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:41,799
but there they are sufficiently confusing as.

620
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:44,279
Speaker 2: Hell, yeah they need a you know, what we haven't

621
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,119
tried this one out. YET i think they need a

622
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,240
player that's better than anyone they currently, have and that's

623
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:54,519
to like really make. Noise and, uh that's why they

624
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:57,359
were on The durant And giannis trail for a minute,

625
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,720
there BECAUSE i think they know that.

626
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: We are on to The New Orleans pella can't help

627
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:06,799
themselves team of just doing things that feel self destructive or.

628
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,039
POINTLESS i, don't, Man, grant we have so much to

629
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:12,640
get to with this, Team so first and, foremost how

630
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,039
the heck are?

631
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:16,839
Speaker 2: You i'm feeling real. Glad we JUST i don't know

632
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,519
why left The pelicans for, now because there's quite a

633
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:21,720
bit more to talk about post draft that we should get.

634
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:26,279
Speaker 1: Into so this team is SENDING i guess not mixed,

635
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:29,599
messages But i'll say curious. MESSAGES i don't know what they're,

636
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,039
doing and that was kind of true, beforehand AND i

637
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:35,319
feel worse about it because it doesn't seem like they

638
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,039
know what they're doing or understand where they are in The.

639
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:41,599
West they already TRADED. Cj McCollum And Kelly olenik to

640
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,839
get Back Sadik bay And Jordan, poole so they just

641
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,079
have this have you noticed they have like this weird

642
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,839
trend of we're gonna get a little bit cheaper in

643
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,279
the internal adding off long term money that to feel

644
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:54,839
like they constantly make those types of.

645
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,039
Speaker 2: Trades it's a, Strategy, dan you know it's a bit

646
00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:01,279
of a. Zag, yeah what did you before we go any?

647
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,759
DEEPER i know we hated what they did On draft?

648
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,720
Night what did you think just of the McCollum pool?

649
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,680
TRADE i, like in, you what did it's signal to?

650
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: You If Jordan poole was on an expiring, CONTRACT i

651
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,680
would get it more because there's just more shake and

652
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,319
wiggle and more passing than maybe at least compared to

653
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,119
lasting Than chee. McCollum and With Dejonta murray, out that

654
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,279
would make a lot of. Sense but like he has

655
00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:27,799
the extra year on his deal and over the past

656
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:30,960
what four, seasons he's had two good. Ones, Yeah and

657
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,920
so it just felt like a very weird. Move where

658
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,720
did you end up on? That so that.

659
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: The REASON i asked is BECAUSE i hate it more

660
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,920
after the draft stuff that we really didn't, like because

661
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,119
it feels, like, oh you're just kind of throwing away

662
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,640
years and. Dollars like, SO i think there's a good

663
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,680
argument That pool will just be a better player than

664
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,519
McCollum this coming season at like just given their, ages

665
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:58,400
given like maybe there will be more talent Around pool

666
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,720
than he had In. WASHINGTON i feel like that's like

667
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,279
just by, default well and, well The pelicans be. Healthy

668
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:07,160
if they're, healthy if, healthy giant asterisk at the top

669
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,839
of the, screen if healthy for everything we. Say but

670
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:13,960
so so that was like that didn't really bother. Me it's, like, well,

671
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,799
OKAY i first liked. It liked it more For washington,

672
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:19,960
obviously just because you're cutting that year off of, salary

673
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000
and then you move on From, pool who has all

674
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,119
of my general like unseeriousness. Questions, Uh but for for The,

675
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,920
PELICANS i thought it was. Okay it was like a decent.

676
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,160
Gamble Maybe pool has another level to get. To he's,

677
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,279
younger like he's a more dynamic three point, shooter like

678
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,319
all that stuff made it. Okay but then as just

679
00:30:36,359 --> 00:30:38,839
a part as it became clear that that was part

680
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,119
of a larger set of transactions that are sort of

681
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:43,759
signaling what this team thinks it is and what it

682
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:49,799
thinks about timelines and patients and just general LIKE i don't, know,

683
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,599
uh being. Careful it just was trying to think of

684
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:59,720
like a better phrase for, that like, Discretion uh if

685
00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:02,799
in it now feels, like, oh that's. You guys are

686
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:04,880
just kind of making mistakes left and. Right you. Don't

687
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,200
it's what you think about yourself is not what you

688
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,079
should be thinking about.

689
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: Yourself and It's, look this isn't a shot At Derek,

690
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,240
queen WHO i have questions Because i've seen, him like

691
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:16,240
basically he's a cross Between Greg Greg munroe And nicole

692
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:18,960
Jokicch and that's just, LIKE i don't, know you talk

693
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,480
about weird range of. Outcomes if you believe in the

694
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:24,240
jump shot like that he can space the, floor the

695
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:27,759
passing is. Insane it's like very interesting. Player but The

696
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:30,920
Jordan poole acquisition becomes a little bit more curious when

697
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,279
you Have jeremiah fears right because The Jontai murray's gonna come. Back,

698
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:39,759
additionally the move THAT i think is, inexplicable, unforgivable however

699
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:42,240
you want to frame, it is giving up so number

700
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,559
twenty three then an unprotected, first which will end up

701
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:48,240
being more favorable Of New orleans Or milwaukee next. Summer

702
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,759
you cannot even if you think The bucks are gonna be,

703
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:54,400
good Because giannis is still there as The New Orleans

704
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,480
pelicans who have Watched Zion williamson season in and season

705
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,240
out miss a whole bunch of. TIMES i even, like

706
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,839
you might just send out the number seven pick like, that.

707
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,759
Speaker 2: You might send out the number one pick right like

708
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:08,200
this is.

709
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,559
Speaker 1: Sorry and you did it to get like that type

710
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:13,720
of upside on a pick to get the number ten.

711
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:17,359
Pick it just doesn't make any type of, Sense like,

712
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,240
You Derek queen needs to basically become a superstar.

713
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: If they had reached For queen at seven instead Of

714
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,799
fears because you've Got pool in the bag, Already like

715
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:31,359
that would be, risky but do that do that instead,

716
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,400
right like and keep and keep your your twenty six

717
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,400
on like that is just like IF i was trying

718
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,960
to think, of like, okay so is there a way to, spin, like,

719
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:43,559
well now we can't tank as a, positive LIKE i

720
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,119
guess as a fan, base like maybe they're, like, okay

721
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,000
they're going for. It but it reminds me of like

722
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,960
my freshman year of, COLLEGE i hate math AND i

723
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:53,160
signed up for a math class that was at eight a.

724
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:54,839
M AND i was, like, well Now i'm gonna have

725
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,480
to go because other like BECAUSE i don't, know like

726
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,880
that was my logic at the. TIME i don't know

727
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,960
and saying it out loud is like that doesn't Because

728
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,240
i'm gonna skip. It if it's, otherwise Like i'm gonna

729
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,440
have to get, Up i'm gonna have to. Go it

730
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,400
won't be an. Option now it's, like, well we can't.

731
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,400
Tank we gave up this. Pick we're gonna have to play.

732
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,160
It like it's just like you've just removed the safety

733
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:17,640
net and like you've fallen off the trapeze like several

734
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,599
times in the most in the recent, Years AND i

735
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,200
just like don't understand what the logic could possibly be

736
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:26,240
on that you could get if he's your, guy take

737
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,640
him at, Seven, LIKE i just, don't, like what are we?

738
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,079
Speaker 1: DOING i maybe it works, out but like we can

739
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:35,480
reasonably assume that maybe The bucks will be like late,

740
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:39,119
teens early, twenties what is the pathway in the west

741
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:41,759
for the pel Like zion has to remain healthy and then,

742
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:45,759
presumably though aren't you playing a bunch Of Derek queen

743
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:48,559
and jeremih like these rookies that will be on developmental?

744
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:52,559
Curves that is still such a wild. Transaction and to be,

745
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,039
fair the off season isn't. Done BUT i know you

746
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,359
said you hate. Math we're gonna go through some cap

747
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,599
vitals for them entering the off. Season, now did you

748
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:00,440
want to take us through?

749
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,079
Speaker 2: Them, Yeah so they should be a little more than

750
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:05,759
eight million dollars below the. Tax that's sixteen million below

751
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:08,920
the first apron which does Include Jeremih fears And Derek queen's,

752
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,880
contracts does Include Bruce. BROWN i should annunciate doesn't Include Bruce.

753
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,639
Brown they can technically use the bigger mid, level the

754
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,000
full fourteen point one, million but they're unlikely to enter the.

755
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:24,199
Tacks they don't do. That it would be a shock

756
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,719
if they, did although they they've done some shocking things so.

757
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: Far imagine if this is the team they go into

758
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,000
the tax.

759
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,599
Speaker 2: For, right they're, like this is the one we believe in,

760
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:36,599
It like we Love Trey murphy And Herb jones as

761
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,239
much as the next. Guys and also we've been on

762
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,760
the record of Like zion's really spectacular when he's. Healthy

763
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,800
it's still The, West like what are we? Doing just

764
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,360
good luck. Fellas they can trade up to three first

765
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,119
after The queen, Deal so that's twenty, eight thirty and thirty.

766
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:56,599
Speaker 1: TWO i just have one word of, advice don't don't

767
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,920
up any of those. PIGS i, mean.

768
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,079
Speaker 2: Like Joe jumars is in charge Now Troy weaver is

769
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:10,719
making some. Decisions if you were concerned at those names

770
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,119
being put in, charge like, initially what are you thinking

771
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:17,239
now that that that these transactions have taken? Place like

772
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,639
are you like it's? Unbelievable how how much more TERRIFIED

773
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:25,920
i would? Be just, like this is the worst case.

774
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,519
Outcome it's it's. All it's like it's happening.

775
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,519
Speaker 1: Already what IT'S i just don't. Understand so let's throw

776
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:33,840
away the trade that that, like or the the unprotected

777
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,880
nature of the. Pick how do, you as The, pelicans

778
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,079
when you've seen the downside of your best player In

779
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:42,639
zioni Li umpson in his, health you just don't have

780
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,599
a first round pick next? Year how do you let?

781
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:46,880
That that's insane to?

782
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: Me do you like do you think do you think

783
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,599
they went To atlanta and, said like we'd like the top,

784
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,880
four top five lottery protect this pick In atlanta's like

785
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,000
no unprotected or no.

786
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: Deal like first of, all the fact that Bans sal

787
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,760
wasn't hired AND i apologize IF i butchered the pronunciation last,

788
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,880
name that he just wasn't hired immediately as a lead

789
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,239
basketball executive In. Atlanta remember there was a reporting that

790
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,360
they're looking for someone over, him and they're still looking

791
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,079
for someone over. Him this dude is clearly a genius

792
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,159
and he deserves another raise and promotion.

793
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: Immediately, yeah pult him in charge of like the state

794
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,800
Of georgia or. Something clearly he's got to figure it.

795
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: Out this isn't even a trade that The kings would have.

796
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,119
MADE i don't even think The bulls would have made.

797
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:28,920
It like do you know how bad that?

798
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: IS i, mean it just IT'S i don't. Know maybe

799
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,480
they were, like, Hey orlando traded too unprotected two unprotected future,

800
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,480
first like what's one and we're gonna get our. Guy

801
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:43,119
we're gonna move ten. SPOTS i JUST i don't know

802
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:44,920
what the precedent is for this. One we should have

803
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:47,119
we should have looked around to, see, like what's the

804
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:49,000
most someone's given up to move up ten?

805
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: Spots was it probably like the False tatum, deal, right

806
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,239
that was like two. Spots, well so you're looking at

807
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,000
the specific, jump, okay.

808
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah or just like a big jump like but also

809
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,280
like to move up to. Thirteen it's not like it's

810
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,159
not like you're moving up to two because it's a

811
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,440
two player. Draft we got to get too like that

812
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:09,719
if you if you, would if there, WERE i would

813
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,960
be less shocked if there had been a trade involving

814
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,000
an unprotected first to move up to like three from you,

815
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:19,760
KNOW i don't, know fifteen or sixteen like the if

816
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,280
The thunder or that's a bad example because they're unprotected

817
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,760
first or worthless to other. Teams but like The pelicans,

818
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,440
SPECIFICALLY i don't. KNOW i, mean we're just circling, around

819
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:30,480
LIKE i Just i'm just struggling to explain.

820
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: This the other QUESTION i had Is i'm assuming they

821
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,679
were just sure that he wasn't gonna drop any, Lower

822
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:39,239
like you couldn't have gotten number fifteen from, them because

823
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,360
were The hawks of The spurs gonna Take And i'm,

824
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,679
ASSUMING i, MEAN i guess negotiating With Sam presty would

825
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:46,280
probably be. Worse do we want The pelicans doing? That

826
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,599
But i'm just curious as to which team was gonna

827
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:51,920
Take Derek queen BECAUSE i don't know that Maybe atlanta

828
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,440
was going to and this offer just rolled in on

829
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:57,519
like this is too good for us to pass. Up i's,

830
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:59,360
like you couldn't you have just aimed a little bit,

831
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,159
lower rather than trying to move up ten spots and

832
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:04,000
maybe not giving up an unprotected twenty twenty six first

833
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:05,079
route back or.

834
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,159
Speaker 2: Yeah again or again it would have been. Dumb but

835
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,199
take him at seven and you still have your twenty

836
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,719
six first and like maybe you get fears at. THIRTEEN

837
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,000
i don't, know like maybe or not thirty it wouldn't

838
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,239
have had, thirteen but like maybe you'd make another trade

839
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,599
at some somehow where you end up with Fears and,

840
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,760
honestly LIKE i don't with pool on, board like you,

841
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,360
could you'd have been fine without without. Fears like where

842
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,119
did You coucionis? Go didn't he pick like twentieth or

843
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,719
something like move up a couple spots and get him

844
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:31,199
if you need a.

845
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,679
Speaker 1: Card The Brooklyn nets kept all five of their, picks

846
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,079
like you couldn't have gotten one of those picks of

847
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,639
like some like just taking a taking a massive swing

848
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,159
and rather than giving up the unprotected twenty. Six let's

849
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:43,239
talk some extensions before we get into needs and what

850
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,800
the rest of the off season might look. LIKE i

851
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,519
think this guy is the most important. One Herb jones

852
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:50,199
is extension. Eligible he can sign for up to three

853
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,440
years and sixty seven point eight million that would kick

854
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,960
in during twenty seven to twenty, eight his age twenty nine,

855
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,119
season and then run through twenty twenty, nine twenty and.

856
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:03,159
Thirty he could just wait for a longer deal next

857
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:05,599
summer where he would be eligible for four, years AND

858
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:07,960
i think it'd be about ninety three point four, Million

859
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,280
so that would kick the can, Down like the extension

860
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,639
would kick in at the same, time but you would

861
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:15,639
have him under contract for a year. Longer just for,

862
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,679
context his max's salary and an extension whether he signs

863
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,800
in year one of the, extension whether he signs it

864
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:24,239
this summer or next, summer is twenty point nine, million

865
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,360
which is eleven point one percent of the salary. Cap

866
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:30,639
and so If i'm The pelicans, GRANT i Am i'm

867
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:33,039
letting him choose his own. Adventure, well not, Really i'm

868
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:37,559
offering him this. Extension If i'm Herb, jones AM i taking?

869
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: IT? I, well he the only reason is because he

870
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,920
had a major injury and missed a ton of time last,

871
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,920
year and he's, LIKE i gotta lock this. Up but

872
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:49,519
If i'm, Him i'm, like this isn't enough for. Me

873
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,599
like neither of these are, like maybe things change if

874
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:54,320
he has a bad year and he like he gets

875
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,159
the same offer at the end of next. Season, uh

876
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,480
but even, then it's Like i'm A i'm a starting

877
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:04,599
wing that has shown some offense And i'm one of

878
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,440
the best defensive players in the. League like this isn't

879
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,280
enough and that's JUST i don't know how you can't change.

880
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: That now it becomes a question for The pelicans of

881
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:17,039
let's say they keep him and then you can offer

882
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:20,800
four and ninety three the following. Summer is that enough

883
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,280
to get? Him AND i think the answer could still

884
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,119
reasonably be.

885
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,639
Speaker 2: No, yeah it depends on what kind of year he,

886
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,079
Has and then like that obviously would well if if

887
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:31,119
he has a terrible, year is that offer, even like

888
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:33,239
what what would have to happen for that offer to

889
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,239
for The pelicans to be, like oh, no that's that's

890
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,679
too much for. Him something.

891
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,199
Speaker 1: Bad so if you're The pelicans and he turns down

892
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,000
the three year extension this, summer WHICH i think he,

893
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:46,119
should maybe he doesn't BECAUSE i feel like the like

894
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:48,199
the mid end type of free agent to b's are

895
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:50,119
still trying to figure out the lay of the land

896
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:53,320
and how they're going to spend their. Money if he says,

897
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,159
NO i think you have to trade him as The,

898
00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:58,519
pelicans BECAUSE i can't RISK i know we're two years.

899
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,800
Out maybe you see how this and goes and figure

900
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,280
it out the trade. Time but you already gave him

901
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,280
control of your twenty six, picks so we know in

902
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,039
theory they're not going to trade. Him but like you

903
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:08,800
have to have a serious discussion about. That if he

904
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,599
says no to this, extension, right, well it's it's a

905
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:12,199
it's a.

906
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: Little bit like The Kobe White Io De Sun mu

907
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,000
like situation we've been talking about with The bulls foreverywhere

908
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,920
like those were great deals that they. Signed those guys

909
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,920
too are too small to, extend so we have to

910
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,800
talk about trading those. Guys same exact situation, HERE i.

911
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,400
THINK i, Mean white's a really good, player just very.

912
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,079
Different but herb is in that same level of, like,

913
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,119
yeah you you a good. Job you signed him to

914
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,199
a really cheap, deal and now you might be forced

915
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,679
to move him or lose him for, nothing like we

916
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,119
got to figure then we got to figure that one

917
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:42,519
out in THE cbo because.

918
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: It almost looks they, do because it almost looks better

919
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,679
like let's Use io as an. Example so if your,

920
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,639
average if your salary and an extension is going to

921
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,800
check in under like the league average for that, year

922
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,559
you can just extend for one hundred and forty percent

923
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,440
of the average annual salary like the league average. Salary

924
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,760
so like For, io yeah he might be worth, more

925
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,239
but coming off the salary he's making, now which is under,

926
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,960
EIGHT i think he can sign for close to like

927
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,599
four years and ninety million if that was the Deal

928
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:13,159
Herb jones was on. Too that just seems like a

929
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:16,519
far bigger jump than when you're, okay Like i'm already

930
00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:18,920
in the mid, teens SO i don't have like, so,

931
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:21,679
yes this extension is worth, more but it doesn't seem

932
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,800
like per, Year but it doesn't seem like as big

933
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,760
of a jump because so it's it almost put about

934
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,119
hoof in The pelican's if he was even, cheaper even

935
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:29,920
though would have been less, money because the optics of,

936
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,519
wow look at how much extra money this is?

937
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:35,119
Speaker 2: It? Right, yeah that's a good. POINT i predict he.

938
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:36,559
Speaker 1: Won't sign the. Extension what about.

939
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: YOU i would be very surprised if he.

940
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,679
Speaker 1: Did AND i, look at this, point you probably can't

941
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:42,679
move him because you're trying to be, good. Right Jordan

942
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:44,800
poole's extension l's well grant how that came back around

943
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,039
pretty quickly as of right now because of the extension,

944
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:49,840
rules since he was just, traded even though it hasn't been.

945
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,800
FINALIZED i think one hundred and five percent is the

946
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,559
max Rays so he could get three years and one

947
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:57,800
hundred and sixteen million about year one salary in that

948
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,280
deal thirty five point seven that is nineteen point one

949
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,039
percent of the. Cap if he waits six, months he

950
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:05,639
could actually sign four three years and one hundred and

951
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:09,360
fifty four plus. Million that year one salary's forty seven

952
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,719
point seven, million that's twenty five point four percent of the.

953
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,280
Cap either deal would kick in during twenty twenty seven

954
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,000
twenty twenty, eight when he's only aged twenty. Eight i'm

955
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,840
only including this because, one we need stuff to talk,

956
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,360
about but, TOO i don't know what The pelicans are.

957
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,599
Like did they acquire him with the intention of exp

958
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:27,920
LIKE i don't think he would get the three years

959
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,679
and one hundred and fifty million dollar. Number if he,

960
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,239
Will i'd be shocked if they do that. AGAIN i have.

961
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: Questions no, WAY i think even the three to one.

962
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:38,800
Fifteen i'm Not i'm not offering him an. Extension i'll

963
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,679
just like blow the lid off now this. Year if

964
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,559
he has a great season this, year then we can

965
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:47,559
we can talk about. IT i just think in, GENERAL

966
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,519
i WOULD i would expect to see fewer, players fewer

967
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:56,239
non super duper stars getting extensions with two years left

968
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,480
on their. DEALS i just think like they go bad too,

969
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:02,039
often and teams are gonna BE i think correctly too

970
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:04,760
scared off by like the worst outcomes of those types

971
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,440
of extensions for the wrong like tier of player that,

972
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:10,360
like And pool is just someone you've got him under

973
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,679
guaranteed contract for two full, Seasons LIKE i JUST i

974
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,079
think you need to use that year for more, information

975
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,559
especially for The. Pelicans and it's kind of like this

976
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:21,320
will be one OF i don't, know Like washington is

977
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,239
just a different, Situation like this will be the first

978
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,920
time he's really IN i, Mean zion's, there but like

979
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,960
in a major role on a team that's trying to be. Good,

980
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,440
uh because he was in such a smaller role with The.

981
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,079
Warriors Like i'm gonna need to see something Before i'm.

982
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:35,000
Not i'm just not talking extension this.

983
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: Year it would have to be like a three, years like,

984
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,440
yeah like give me three years and sixty and then

985
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,079
it's like well like, that, yeah, yeah something like. That

986
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,039
it's but, yeah you haven't he hasn't played for your team,

987
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,079
yet so, like, YEAH i think you could make he Said,

988
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,880
washington even if they were trying to be. Good you

989
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,360
don't extend him off of last season alone and The

990
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,239
pelicans not having a sample with, Him it'd be. Bonkers,

991
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,079
uh there's no other like super notable extension cadaites me

992
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:01,199
to talk. About so let's get into big needs. Questions

993
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:02,880
where where do you want to take this with? It

994
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:05,880
because look, THIS i think this you, said it's good

995
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,719
that we waited this entire structure for us and commentary

996
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,000
would have looked and sounded completely different had the draft

997
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,000
night trades specifically never. Happened where do you want to

998
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:15,280
go with?

999
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: THIS i, MEAN i Think i'm tempted always to start

1000
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,119
With zion and the challenges that building a team around him.

1001
00:45:24,119 --> 00:45:26,679
Presents this is just you can recycle this from like

1002
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,800
any time we've talked about him over the, years where

1003
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,719
you have to put very specific player types around, him

1004
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,119
and then his unavailability makes it hard to have those

1005
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,920
players like play the bulk of the minutes when he's

1006
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,440
not out, there because it's like they're kind of all

1007
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,639
built to play like off of a unique skill set

1008
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:45,239
that he, has so that manifests in the first THING

1009
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,719
i think we talked about as the, playmaking because If

1010
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,360
zion is not out, there then the offense is running

1011
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:58,000
Through Jordan poole And derek queen to and or other

1012
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:01,440
Rookie Jeremiah, fears who is like an exciting young. Player

1013
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,000
but it's just, like if you're trying to win this,

1014
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:05,679
year you cannot put the ball in the hands of

1015
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:07,960
a rookie point guard whose decision making is if he

1016
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,079
and he can't shoot like that's he would have been

1017
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,920
a phenomenal tank commander like In. Brooklyn if you want

1018
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,519
to just give him thirty eight minutes and let him,

1019
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,760
grow maybe he'll become, great but he's gonna be. Damaging so,

1020
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,039
YEAH i think the playmaking is a. Problem and that's

1021
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:25,280
to say like they have some real. Strengths, otherwise we

1022
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,280
haven't talked About Trey murphy And Herb jones on the,

1023
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,239
wing for, example very.

1024
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: Much their wing rotation can still be too and like

1025
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:33,199
If murray comes back this. Season, like there's a lot

1026
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,599
of interesting perimeter stuff with this, Team BUT i, like

1027
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,679
do they have enough defense on the, Roster, like because

1028
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:42,639
if you're gonna Play zion And queen, together you need

1029
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:45,559
those other three players on the court to be WHAT

1030
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,599
i would say eighty fifth percentile. Defenders Herb jones. Done

1031
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,679
if you want to Throw Jose alvarado mix that, in okay.

1032
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,079
DONE i don't know If Trey murphy's there, yet but

1033
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,559
he becomes important then to the spacing Because Herb jones

1034
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:01,199
And Jose varado are both questionable. Shooters there's like and,

1035
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,199
look they Have Eves, mecie who's like kind of more

1036
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:04,800
of the traditional big, look AND i thought him And

1037
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,480
zion figured out a lot of stuff together last. YEAR i,

1038
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:11,199
like you're You're Willie. Green what is your Best, like

1039
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:13,239
what is the five man unit you were turning to

1040
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,159
leaning on the hardest as of right?

1041
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:20,039
Speaker 2: Now, well your your definites Are, Zion, Murphy HERB i

1042
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:24,639
GUESS mesi and then a. Pool RIGHT i think is

1043
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:27,119
that probably you're you're you're starting five.

1044
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: And maybe you're.

1045
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,119
Speaker 2: Closing maybe you close With zion at, CENTER i don't,

1046
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:32,639
Know and you put another who's who else are you

1047
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:34,599
putting out? There because it's like if IT'S i just

1048
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:37,400
don't Like queen And zion together at, all but you

1049
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,559
almost have to play them together at some, point so.

1050
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:42,639
Speaker 1: We try, it, right which is like that's why trading

1051
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,840
the pick, though is also bonkers because that works like

1052
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:48,280
counter to we need to try this out even though

1053
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,559
it might not look. Good at the first sign of

1054
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:52,719
it not, working you bail out BECAUSE i was, like

1055
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,159
we don't own our own, pick like we need to.

1056
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: WIN i, mean, also if you're if you're trying to

1057
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,079
win and you need to, win you're not starting or

1058
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,760
closing With queen Or fears on the. COURT i. DON'T

1059
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:02,639
i don't, THINK i.

1060
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 1: Like right unless there's Another, again the off season isn't.

1061
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,679
Over it hasn't even technically, started like the league year

1062
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:11,480
has not reset, yet so there's other moves they could.

1063
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:13,199
Make but LIKE i even find, myself do you think

1064
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:15,599
that they have enough shooting now when you Have? Pool

1065
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,079
there's question marks With fears And, queen though you Have.

1066
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:20,960
MURPHY i, mean you do Have Jordan, hawkins but like

1067
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,599
his efficiency has been all over the place to like

1068
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:26,159
be where they're at and still a question to be, like,

1069
00:48:26,159 --> 00:48:28,159
oh do they have enough shooting Around zion is?

1070
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 2: Weird, Yeah murphy is the only guy That I'm i'm

1071
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,960
just like pencil him. IN i, mean he is a

1072
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,239
plus shooter that like actually bends the defense POOL i

1073
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,719
think his self created, threes like, yeah that might be,

1074
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,599
there that might be. There and Then. HAWKINS i still

1075
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:47,719
like What hawkins can. Do he's just if you play

1076
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,559
him then you have massive, defense like massive defensive. Questions

1077
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,320
if you play him with, pool forget, It like that's

1078
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,000
just that's really hard to make it.

1079
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: Work it feels like if you had to dilute this

1080
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,480
down to an archetype of, player it feels like they

1081
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:05,280
might need unless you think it's someone in the front

1082
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,480
court who's Not queen Or mec that you believe is

1083
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:09,800
a better fit next To zion on that front, line

1084
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,280
or it needs to be sort of this hybrid like

1085
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,800
wing player who's you, know like a just as an,

1086
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,880
example we just talked about him with The, raptors just

1087
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,440
like In o Chaiak, baji just to come in eat

1088
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,480
innings and not torpedo your defense or your. Offense it

1089
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,559
feels like they need more of those players With i'll,

1090
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:29,280
say here's the best, way like the simplified way of saying.

1091
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,639
It they need more players that have fewer glaring.

1092
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,639
Speaker 2: Weaknesses, yeah they got a lot of one way guys

1093
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,599
or guys that are, like, well definitely give you this singular,

1094
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:41,880
skill but you're gonna have to make up for his

1095
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,760
deficiencies in these like four other. Areas that's just that's

1096
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,719
a tough thing to. Juggle and also that is just

1097
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,039
not the mark of a team that is, gonna, LIKE

1098
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:54,920
i don't, know there's not gonna win fifty games or,

1099
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,800
whatever which it's certainly more in danger of making that

1100
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,159
pick that they owe very very high than they are

1101
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:02,599
of really having it figured. Out there's just too. Many

1102
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,960
it's hard to find the lineup that you're, LIKE i

1103
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,400
think THAT i can see that closing in the second

1104
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,519
round of the playoffs or. SOMETHING i JUST i don't

1105
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:12,039
know if that group is there.

1106
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: Some free agents THAT i think they could consider just

1107
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,639
as like they can come in and they would, Help

1108
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,519
like A Torrim Prince jake La ravia could be pretty

1109
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:22,639
interesting on the. Scene Chris bouchet would totally work on this.

1110
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:24,360
TEAM i KNOW i name him for, everybody but like

1111
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,440
he actually Works tate's Naz. Reid but that's like that

1112
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,719
now you're inside and trade. Territory so what other picks

1113
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:31,559
you're giving?

1114
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 2: Up all Of.

1115
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:35,559
Speaker 1: Jayshawn tate for the defense because he can guard up

1116
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:38,000
the offense could be a little bit. Questionable those are

1117
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,000
just like the price. RANGES i think THE w shopping

1118
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,960
in is sort of the mini mL e. Range probably

1119
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,760
not a reunion With Larry Nance junior or. Anybody there's just,

1120
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,199
like like you could look at some of the pure

1121
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,000
shooters if you wanted, to BUT i don't know if

1122
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,599
they have enough like defense to go Down and if

1123
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,400
you're gonna go the pure shooting, route it's, okay just

1124
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,920
lean Into Jordan hawkins.

1125
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 2: And give him the. Chance, YEAH i agree.

1126
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,679
Speaker 1: Anything like any like trade. TARGETS i just. Don't this

1127
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,719
team should not be trading any more first round, Picks

1128
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,880
So i'm just not LIKE i can't even get into

1129
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,159
trades for. Them, Yeah AND i guess this does signal

1130
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:13,679
Because Joe dumars did say that they were gonna remain

1131
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,400
committed To Zion is they've kind of clearly signaled now, That,

1132
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,000
Okay zion is still the centerpiece of this team and

1133
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:21,199
he will be on the roster Through february's trade.

1134
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: DEADLINE i was just gonna, say, like is this one

1135
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,960
we need to, like what's what's the percentage chance that

1136
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:31,320
we get To february And zion Is is it more

1137
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,800
likely That zion is very much available or that he's

1138
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,360
still totally like untouchable at the trade, deadline BECAUSE i

1139
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,000
think it's more likely That dumars has to face facts

1140
00:51:41,039 --> 00:51:43,000
and be, like we just are gonna have to try

1141
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:43,440
to move this.

1142
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,599
Speaker 1: GUY i think it's more likely that what you're laying

1143
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:49,280
out that he would be considered like, Gettable BUT i

1144
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,000
just don't know if that's because to consider him untouchable

1145
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:54,320
is how good is he? Playing how healthy is? He

1146
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,239
it just feels like you're betting on for m to be,

1147
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,039
untouchable he has to be, healthy and to just bet

1148
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,719
on his health at this point it's UN i love

1149
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,039
seeing Peaks ion on the, court but, like we don't

1150
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:06,039
have enough evidence that it's going to. Sustain my final,

1151
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:10,360
question this, team do you find that more intriguing? Offensively

1152
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,840
right than? Defensively it feels like they have more holes

1153
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,639
on the defensive.

1154
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:18,119
Speaker 2: End, now oh, yeah, yeah definitely this should be an offensive.

1155
00:52:18,159 --> 00:52:21,840
Team Like zion one of the ten best men that

1156
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,960
might be selling him short offensive players in the. League

1157
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,400
when he's. HEALTHY i Think murphy could just if he

1158
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,079
stays hell, again if, healthy If murphy could be. PHENOMENAL

1159
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:33,679
i think even guys Like fears, like there's Real, hawkins

1160
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,960
there's real there's real punch. Here if they can make

1161
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,159
it work and if they're willing to just concede on

1162
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,159
the defensive, End, yeah this is an offensive. TEAM i

1163
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:44,440
would be shocked if if they, just you, know if

1164
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,639
they had a higher defensive rating ranking wise than. Offensive

1165
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:48,719
it's a little bit of a somber.

1166
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: Occasion it's our final, offseason looking all thirty teams were

1167
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,639
talking about individually their own, episodes even though some of

1168
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:57,079
them were combined in the podcast feed on YouTube though

1169
00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:00,480
thirty individual. Videos but we're talking about The washington which

1170
00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:02,840
is you, KNOW i don't think people this podcast is

1171
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,679
not doesn't fall under that. Bucket people aren't used to

1172
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,519
talking about The Wizards grant And rosie, terms but we

1173
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,000
are about, to and we have been for a little.

1174
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,239
WHILE i feel like that's a great place to. Start

1175
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:17,719
are they plotting something big following this? Season? Grant when

1176
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,199
you look at the when they made The Jordan poole

1177
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,119
For Encadig bay FOR. Cj, mccollm And Kelly olynic, trades

1178
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,000
it sets them up for. NOW i want to put

1179
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,360
an emphasis on potentially because a lot will depend on

1180
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,360
where it's their draft, pickland what moves they made this last.

1181
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,480
Season but they can currently have over one hundred million

1182
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:35,840
dollars in cap. Space that's that's not what it used

1183
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,159
to be because like you can't even technically like that's

1184
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,519
less than two max deals if you're signing the right free,

1185
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:44,119
agent like the ten. Points but that is so much

1186
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:46,320
flexibility and it wasn't not that it wasn't on our.

1187
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,400
Radar we knew they'd be, flexible but they just wiped so,

1188
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:53,119
much just raw salary off their twenty twenty six cap.

1189
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:55,679
Sheet and so are They, like does this mean that

1190
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,119
they're getting ready to do something huge after this?

1191
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: SEASON i THINK i think it means that they. Are it's,

1192
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000
like are they gonna sign a max guy and then

1193
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:11,320
maybe figure out how to get to or something. LIKE

1194
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,280
i don't think that's the. PLAY i do think it's

1195
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,039
just an extreme version of What brooklyn, did except that

1196
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,480
The wizards already have like five interesting young players That

1197
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:25,559
brooklyn did not have as it entered this offseason as the.

1198
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:28,519
Like AND i also don't Think washington's gonna be the

1199
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:33,039
only team with max plus money next. Summer but it,

1200
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:35,840
weirdly AND i don't mean this as like a discouraging

1201
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:39,199
thing For wizards, fans but that one hundred million dollars

1202
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,519
potentially in cap space is kind of like where the

1203
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:46,519
rebuild will actually start and it's not, like, well they

1204
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:49,639
already have sar And carrington and like some interesting players

1205
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:53,639
And Trey. JOHNSON i, LIKE i think, though that that

1206
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:58,599
hundred million dollars in room is maybe where they where

1207
00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:01,719
they really, start like wielding, power LIKE i just in

1208
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,320
whatever form that. Takes that might mean taking on more bad.

1209
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,400
Deals that might mean being just a crazy facilitator and

1210
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,599
you're getting you're trying to build a pickall like The

1211
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:11,960
thunder or The jazz have or something like that with.

1212
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,239
IT i don't think it's gonna be you know, what

1213
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,239
let's go get, like let's let's sign Like KEVIN nba, Guys,

1214
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,360
yeah Like kevin Ran, Right that's that doesn't feel like

1215
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:23,960
it to. Me what do you if you had to,

1216
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,320
guess what do you think that that that one hundred

1217
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,519
million dollars is gonna go TO.

1218
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: I think it's honestly gonna be substantially less by the

1219
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,360
time that the summer comes, around BECAUSE i think that

1220
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,119
this is the front office led By Will dawkins And Michael.

1221
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:37,559
Winger it's just proven they're gonna be opportunistic and they

1222
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:40,599
kind of sore away here to like get out of

1223
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:42,639
a deal In Jordan poole's that could it looks fine

1224
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:44,880
now after last, season but he had a better, year

1225
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:46,400
did a lot better out of the pick and. Roll

1226
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,400
we saw signs of that changing after his first, season

1227
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,360
like excuse me during the latter run of his first

1228
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,960
season In. Washington but, like you just had this opportunity

1229
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,840
to not really give up anything that was a value

1230
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,559
to you long term and create this. Flexibility and what

1231
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:02,800
you're doing now is we're all looking at this in

1232
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,960
twenty twenty six, terms and we're gonna get to. This

1233
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,239
we don't need to spend too much time on. It

1234
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,880
but now you just have all these massive expiring contracts

1235
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,360
to do stuff with right.

1236
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah and LIKE i think just generally when the

1237
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:19,239
current state of the league is like there's a fair

1238
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,559
amount of panic and like rash action happening because teams are.

1239
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:27,159
Inflexible if you have this kind of, flexibility it's like a.

1240
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,800
Superpower it's just it's like you you can make anything,

1241
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,119
happen and you'll you'll be dealing with teams that are

1242
00:56:33,159 --> 00:56:35,320
desperate and you're gonna have. Leverage you're gonna be dealing

1243
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,880
with teams that want to do something that cannot happen

1244
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,480
unless you facilitate. It it is very much Like brooklyn

1245
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,440
and and SO i think you're right, though like they

1246
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,599
can start doing stuff that's the deadline if they if

1247
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:47,440
they will they play that.

1248
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: Game take on fifty million dollars in extra money for

1249
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:51,840
like this, summer and then you could use the other

1250
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:56,440
fifty next. Summer. Easy do you want to take us

1251
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,480
through their cap, fitles? Sir.

1252
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah so they they're gonna be about twenty eight million

1253
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,599
under the tax thirty five million or a little bit

1254
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:07,159
more below the first. Apron they already do have fourteen

1255
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,480
roster spots spoken, for which kind of makes that. Amazing

1256
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:12,280
that tells you that this is LIKE i, mean With

1257
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,679
middleton and, McCollum to still be in that position is pretty.

1258
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:18,960
Impressive with the rest of the roster that doesn't Include Malcolm,

1259
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,599
brogden doesn't include any guaranteed money For Rishawn. Holmes they

1260
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:27,519
can spend the FULL mL if they want. To the draft,

1261
00:57:27,519 --> 00:57:30,440
ASSETS i mean they've so they have an obligation to

1262
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,880
The knicks in twenty six with top eight. Protection we

1263
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,440
can talk a little bit more about that if you.

1264
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,920
Want they can still trade up a bunch of the

1265
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,320
first if they want. To they can have roughly a

1266
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,320
dozen extra seconds from other teams coming in through twenty thirty.

1267
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,599
Two they do have an odd number of like weird

1268
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,920
protections on a lot of their, picks and like they

1269
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,559
still have like The Horror Crux warriors. Pick is that

1270
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:49,960
still a?

1271
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,239
Speaker 1: Thing, yeah so they get it if it falls between

1272
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,039
twenty one and thirty, right, yeah, Okay but so other than,

1273
00:57:57,039 --> 00:57:59,960
That nick's obligation with top it with like they're gonna

1274
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:03,000
keep that, pick, Right so that turns into that turns

1275
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,559
into two seconds in twenty six and twenty. Seven but

1276
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:07,519
it does make if you wanted to trade a first

1277
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,320
your first. Allowable you're working with twenty twenty, eight two

1278
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,400
thousand and, thirty two thousand and thirty. Two so and

1279
00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:15,239
you do have The warriors pick that you could include as,

1280
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,199
well SO i think they would be into they, got,

1281
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,880
well they had The memphis pick this year that they,

1282
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,159
got like they could trade the equivalent that's already been,

1283
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:24,559
burned like of five first round picks this. Summer, basically

1284
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:25,239
if IF.

1285
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:27,239
Speaker 2: I put the number of first round picks traded by

1286
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,519
The wizards in the next, calendar you're at point. Five

1287
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,239
would you take the over or Under i'm.

1288
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: Traded i'm gonna say, under And i'm gonna follow it

1289
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,519
up with. It IF i set the over under of

1290
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:41,400
one point five first round picks acquired over the that's

1291
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,320
a you're take any over the.

1292
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,159
Speaker 2: Under that's an, over, sir that's a hard.

1293
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: Over two and a half?

1294
00:58:46,719 --> 00:58:50,199
Speaker 2: Over why not five and a? Half, okay go under?

1295
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:51,719
There bad, line bad, line too.

1296
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:55,559
Speaker 1: Easy they have no extension candidates, well of note it's,

1297
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:57,800
like but they. Do they could extend like any of

1298
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,599
the veterans that are basically on their. Roster my question

1299
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:03,280
for this, team, though is just what are those contracts

1300
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,960
going to be used? For like you Have middleton expiring

1301
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:09,079
at thirty three point, three McCullum's expiring at thirty point,

1302
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:12,679
Seven smart expiring at twenty one point, Six Kelly olynock

1303
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,559
expiring at thirteen point four and then The Rashaun holmes.

1304
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:18,440
Thing he's only guaranteed fifty k and you have enough

1305
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,880
expiring contracts where it's what we don't need is thirteen

1306
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,960
point three. Million but, like if you just need to

1307
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,719
guarantee part of that to make another trade happen and

1308
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,719
take back like more money or a player that you

1309
00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:31,039
have interested in so that you save these expiring contracts

1310
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:34,519
of players who might look maybe not, McCollum but LIKE

1311
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,400
i could see a team absolutely trading For smart And

1312
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,559
middleton and giving up value to get them in the

1313
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:40,880
middle of the year if they're playing well.

1314
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,559
Speaker 2: Enough, yeah it's a. POSSIBILITY i actually was, floating not really,

1315
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:48,039
seriously but like could they buy these guys? Out and

1316
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:50,400
just LIKE i don't think that's realistic because you're not

1317
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,760
really getting anything for. That maybe maybe if they like

1318
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,079
mc If middleton for, example just isn't healthy and you're, like,

1319
00:59:57,159 --> 00:59:59,320
okay let's do him a favor and maybe like in

1320
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,480
the second half of year he can help, somebody but,

1321
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:02,480
like who what do they?

1322
01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:04,559
Speaker 1: Care the problem with, that, though is so how many

1323
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:09,599
teams are those guys not eligible to sign with because they, Out,

1324
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,119
yeah isn't there only one team in the second? Apron

1325
01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:14,320
is that only a second apron? Restriction so if it's

1326
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,199
only a second apron, restriction that's not a big. DEAL

1327
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:16,480
i thought it.

1328
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:18,719
Speaker 2: MIGHT i can't remember if it's the first apron or second.

1329
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,800
Apron definitely the second, apron but BUT i don't know

1330
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:22,519
if it's also the.

1331
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,039
Speaker 1: First uh, So but it's just so if you're The, wizards,

1332
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:29,320
like how are you kind of treating These you're not

1333
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,519
extending any of these? Guys i'd be shocked if that.

1334
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:34,199
Speaker 2: Happens, no because this whole thing we've been talking about

1335
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:37,199
for them is the flexibility next, summer like you're and

1336
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,920
just their, veterans, like what do You there's, NO i

1337
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,760
don't know what the number even is that you would

1338
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,960
want them back on that they would be even willing to,

1339
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:48,079
consider just Because washington still is a long ways, away

1340
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,360
and if You're middleton and you might have another good

1341
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:54,239
one to two, years like what You're you're Not you're

1342
01:00:54,239 --> 01:00:55,760
not extending. HERE i don't think.

1343
01:00:56,719 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: Are you more open to as The? Wizards are you

1344
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:03,800
referring to use those expiring contracts to make moves this

1345
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,079
summer or is it something because there are some, guys

1346
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:09,960
even McCollum, himself that you could view as having individual

1347
01:01:10,039 --> 01:01:12,840
value that you would rather wait to make those decisions

1348
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,519
until the middle of the. Season you're kind of just focusing, On,

1349
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:17,000
okay what do we need and how do we want

1350
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,559
to use our mid level? Here, well, WELL i just.

1351
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 2: Want to tell, like let's take McCollum for, Example, like

1352
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,719
is there a scenario where you can trade him in

1353
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:31,159
season and not take back money for twenty six twenty, seven, right,

1354
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:33,559
like because it's hard to have that?

1355
01:01:33,639 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: Works, well you know what's interesting, Though so like let

1356
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,280
you smart as the, example or Maybe Kelly, Olinick so

1357
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,039
like the salaries that aren't too too expensive because of

1358
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:45,440
where The wizards are at, Financially, LIKE i think they

1359
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,880
could take the way it's. Computed had Tip prime. Too

1360
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,840
porak for telling me that it's not seven and a half,

1361
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,000
MILLION i think they could take it back like eight

1362
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,320
and a half million extra on top of those. Numbers

1363
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,079
so let's Use Kelly olinick thirteen point four. Million you

1364
01:01:56,119 --> 01:01:58,199
could take back a player making twenty one or twenty two.

1365
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:00,079
Million if there's a team that wants to get off

1366
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,760
and save money or is trying to navigate the. Aprons

1367
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,760
and by the, way it looks like so first apron

1368
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,519
teams are the ones that if you're in the first

1369
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,960
apron can. Slide so it's like if you're maybe mid

1370
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,199
season you didn't trade, them, sure but right now IT'S

1371
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:14,119
i don't know what that necessarily does For middleton or

1372
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:18,000
McCollum Or smart like of who like they're, options BUT

1373
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:19,960
i think that's you, know if you're looking At, Smart

1374
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,480
olynic or Even that's Why Rashaun holmes's deal is interesting

1375
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,719
is you can take back so much, Money, like if

1376
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,719
you Like Rashaun, holmes you could guarantee like like seven

1377
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:31,920
and a half, million and you could take back double

1378
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,000
that plus two hundred and fifty thousand. Dollars you can

1379
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:37,199
take back a fifteen million dollar player basically by guaranteeing

1380
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:39,400
seven and a half million of his. CONTRACT i don't

1381
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,960
have like a name that brings to mind like, immediately

1382
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:43,960
but if a team is looking to save, money like

1383
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,519
that is something you could absolutely.

1384
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:49,119
Speaker 2: Do so you're viewing it as, like, well we can

1385
01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:53,000
use these guys to take back larger numbers that say

1386
01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:56,159
that are also expiring ideally from a team that really

1387
01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:58,679
needs to cut its payroll and we'll get a second

1388
01:02:58,679 --> 01:03:00,880
out of it or something like. That that's kind of what.

1389
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: You, are a player that you, like what IF i

1390
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,360
don't know why you necessarily Do like let's Say phoenix

1391
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,880
wants to get rid Of Grayson allen and so like

1392
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,800
you could guarantee whatever you Need Rashawn's holmes's deal so

1393
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,280
that they're saving money off Of Grayson allen's number immediately

1394
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,960
and they're getting out of that entire. Contract are they giving,

1395
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,440
you LIKE i don't know what they're giving you as

1396
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:21,159
partably Giving rigadaro or. Something, yeah you could do something like.

1397
01:03:21,199 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 2: That, YEAH i could see. That, YEAH i think like

1398
01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:29,880
it would Be this is what's, interesting is like it'd

1399
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,360
be okay if all these guys just expired and came

1400
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,400
off the, Books like that would be a, Fine like

1401
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,519
they're Not washington's not mad at that at. All in,

1402
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:39,159
fact like that might be pretty likely in a lot

1403
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:41,760
of these. Cases but, Yeah i'm with you. NOW i

1404
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,400
think YOU'VE i do see some some possibilities.

1405
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,199
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah like a team like let's Say cleveland trying

1406
01:03:47,239 --> 01:03:49,039
to straddle the second, Apron like do you get a

1407
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:52,199
like A Max strus out of, this or are you

1408
01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:54,880
interested In DeAndre hunter like or those the or what

1409
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,119
are you getting? Compensated if the Players Isaaca coro and

1410
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:00,559
now it's different because he's making just like a so

1411
01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:02,480
like you could get maybe a player that you actually,

1412
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:04,880
like and if you're just helping these teams like save

1413
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,719
money off their tax. Bills the other question here before

1414
01:04:07,719 --> 01:04:09,920
we get into, needs do you think that there will

1415
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,280
Be i've Seen Malcolm brogden's name floated a lot for

1416
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,920
the MINI mla. TEAMS i kind of thought he'd be

1417
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,119
able to make more than. That is there a if

1418
01:04:17,159 --> 01:04:20,440
you're The wizards or one it's? Twofold is there a

1419
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,480
sign and trade market For Malcolm? Brogden and if you're The,

1420
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,119
wizards do you offer him like just enough above market

1421
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:27,159
where it's like ten million or twelve million or? Something

1422
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:28,599
and THEN i hope that you could just flip him

1423
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,000
for seconds or something like that in the middle of the.

1424
01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:34,159
Speaker 2: YEAR i kind of like that the ladder approach you laid.

1425
01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:37,239
OUT i think he's a tricky player just BECAUSE i,

1426
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,559
mean when you bounce around as much as he has

1427
01:04:40,199 --> 01:04:42,920
in recent years and have missed as much time as he.

1428
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,920
Has it's like maybe it's just, like, yeah you're you're

1429
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,519
not that far from being a vet minimum guy at this.

1430
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:52,440
Point BUT i do think if you have the ability,

1431
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,880
again just like it's not because he's worth ten million a,

1432
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,880
year it's because you could use him With Rashaun holmes

1433
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,039
and like you you, know it's it's an asset preservation.

1434
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,559
THING i Think washington has has the luxury of being

1435
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:07,239
able to do. That but, YEAH i think it's it's

1436
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,199
there in the weird situation just generally of like half

1437
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:14,679
of the roster is almost just like an asset kind

1438
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:17,599
of thing and with some veteran like you, KNOW i

1439
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:20,400
don't know influence as a, positive and the other half

1440
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,480
is like we kind of need these guys to. Pop

1441
01:05:22,639 --> 01:05:25,480
like there's this weird like there's not a lot of

1442
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:26,639
middle ground guys on this.

1443
01:05:26,679 --> 01:05:30,639
Speaker 1: TEAM i WOULD i was just, yeah THERE'S i Think

1444
01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:34,320
i'm with you, There so let's talk. Needs what do

1445
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,480
You there's so many young, players and we talked a

1446
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,480
lot post draft about how there seems like there's a

1447
01:05:38,519 --> 01:05:40,480
nice balance between their young players when you look at

1448
01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:45,320
just positionally Saw Cool, Bali Trey, Johnson Bub, Carrington Keishawn.

1449
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,119
George there's that symmetry there almost maybe not a true

1450
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,960
it would that would depend on bub not a true

1451
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,840
floor general of the. Bunch and that's still What i'm

1452
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,480
kind of looking at with this. Team is is there

1453
01:05:56,519 --> 01:05:58,320
a way to do you just want a veteran in,

1454
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,639
here because that's not even Really malcolm Brock, in it's

1455
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:03,320
certainly not. Smart or do you take a is there

1456
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,039
a second draft guy out there that you would want

1457
01:06:06,039 --> 01:06:07,559
to try and get in on and try, out or

1458
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:10,519
you just take a weird flyer on just like a you,

1459
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:11,079
know kind of a.

1460
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: PROJECT i think it is a huge, need AND i

1461
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,159
think the WAY i would address it is by Having

1462
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,840
carrington just try to be that guy with the benefit

1463
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,639
of the veterans you just mentioned who aren't that, guy

1464
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:28,360
but like our good influences that can help him in other,

1465
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,199
ways because because like the alternative like having a having

1466
01:06:32,199 --> 01:06:34,880
A jones or Like Chris paul is not coming, here

1467
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,000
but like just we gotta go Get Chris paul right

1468
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:41,320
like he kind of LIKE i DON'T i, understand, like,

1469
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,239
yeah this is this is gonna be more helpful for

1470
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,599
guys Like sar and like more dependent. Players BUT i

1471
01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:49,159
think the upside of like maybe bub like takes a

1472
01:06:49,239 --> 01:06:51,840
leap because you really just you, KNOW i mean he

1473
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,119
played a ton last year, too like.

1474
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,599
Speaker 1: And there's roys like when like his live, dribble it's

1475
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:01,159
not super he's not super quick with, it but like there's, there.

1476
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: Right AND i think you you try to nurture, that

1477
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:05,800
and you you and you let him fail a lot

1478
01:07:06,039 --> 01:07:08,679
and you just have the support system around. Him is

1479
01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:11,239
is are the veterans we're talking. ABOUT i don't like

1480
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,239
the idea of bringing in a veteran like floor general over,

1481
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,519
him even though that would make the team, better like,

1482
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,079
probably but because that's also kind of not the. POINT i.

1483
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:21,800
THINK i think you're still just kind of mining these

1484
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,239
young players and seeing what they can do in like,

1485
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,199
big big minute roles and if they, fail they. Fail

1486
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:28,719
but LIKE i don't you know WHAT i, Mean LIKE

1487
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,599
i don't want the veteran point guard on this. TEAM

1488
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:31,119
i don't.

1489
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:33,159
Speaker 1: Think, NO i don't. Be you can.

1490
01:07:33,199 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 2: Be he can be a bench. Guy he can be

1491
01:07:34,519 --> 01:07:36,519
like a ceremonial vet that just sits. There BUT i

1492
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:37,400
don't want to playing Over.

1493
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: Carington, yeah it would be more so it's like if

1494
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,760
you could get Tie jerome like with the with the mid,

1495
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,400
Level sure bring him off the bench and he's like

1496
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,840
also he's not super old in his like twenties or

1497
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,519
is it a SECOND i call him a second draft?

1498
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:51,639
Guy like what If detroit is trying to make a huge,

1499
01:07:51,639 --> 01:07:53,320
move can you get in on just trying Out jade

1500
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,480
And ivy or do you think sure is that you

1501
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,119
would be open to that or do you view that

1502
01:07:57,159 --> 01:07:58,800
AS i was gonna, say it's that like too central

1503
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,239
to where oh if you Get jade And ive like,

1504
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,840
now like we got to really try and play like

1505
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,760
he's extensional as well right, now so you really have,

1506
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,599
to you, know invest playing time in.

1507
01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:09,039
Speaker 2: HIM i MEAN i would almost View, IVY i know

1508
01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:10,679
he's been in the league, longer but as like A

1509
01:08:10,719 --> 01:08:13,239
carrington player of LIKE i would be you can't kind

1510
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:14,880
of do it with both of. Them but like the

1511
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,159
theory of if we they should be Targeting ivy type

1512
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:21,239
second draft players just and just like throw them out

1513
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:23,560
there because LIKE i don't, know the odds Of ivy

1514
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:27,159
being An All star are PROBABLY i would say are

1515
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:29,800
comparable To carrington becoming An All star at some. Point

1516
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,960
so like now you've got two shots at. It you

1517
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,279
don't want him to overlap too, much if that makes any.

1518
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,720
Sense but, yeah that's certainly the player type you're looking

1519
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,840
at second draft guys that that aren't hopefully going to

1520
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,319
get in the way of the ones you use that

1521
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:45,760
are on their first. Draft still With, Washington.

1522
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: Kobe buffkin could be. INTERESTING i don't land any that

1523
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,920
would be a really good name if, man If memphis

1524
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,239
was looking to cut, money can you Get Scottie Pippen.

1525
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:56,239
Jr that'd be?

1526
01:08:56,279 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 2: FUN i mean that he's just. GOOD i mean that

1527
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,840
might be a. Problem do you know.

1528
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: What Veteran i'd be okay? With he doesn't really fall

1529
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,600
under the realm of floor, general BUT i think as

1530
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,319
someone who can be like a pace and tone, Center

1531
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,079
like just Having Lonzo ball on this team would be super.

1532
01:09:11,119 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: Fun, Right he's another guy that would make it, easier

1533
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,720
like it would Help carrington and not get in the

1534
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,199
way Of, CARRINGTON i, think and the other guys. Too

1535
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:20,680
he's just an, additive like connective guy that that would makes.

1536
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 1: Sense AND i don't know are they second? Draft is

1537
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,119
he second draft material? Yet but Like Kiante george From,

1538
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:28,079
UTAH i.

1539
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 2: Mean is getting, Close LIKE i don't, KNOW i Think

1540
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:34,800
utah would view him kind of similarly right right to

1541
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,720
How washington views Like carrington and some of their other young.

1542
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,520
Guys like maybe next year at this, time it'd be

1543
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,800
a different. Conversation uh but.

1544
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,039
Speaker 1: But, yeah THE i don't have a ton on this

1545
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:46,800
team BECAUSE i think that they've done such a good

1546
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,960
job of making it clear what their goal is and

1547
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,479
then positioning themselves for the, future and they're just set

1548
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,720
up to continue developing these. Guys BUT i think what

1549
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,880
could help streamline their development is, like can you get

1550
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,239
some more just higher volume dead eye shooting out of

1551
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:02,760
the wing? Spots that's NOT i, KNOW. Cj mccollm will

1552
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,800
get them. Up Chris, middleton that's not really what he.

1553
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,720
Does Keyshawn. George will the volume or the efficiency be?

1554
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,159
There so they wanted to get in for a, shooter

1555
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,720
like whether it's by trade or just signing someone off

1556
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,000
the free agent, market like if they like if they

1557
01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:18,279
wanted to Be, hey we're gonna Give gary Tran junior

1558
01:10:18,319 --> 01:10:22,000
A molik, busy like an inflated one plus one, Sure

1559
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:23,960
like if that's, like if that's the rout you want to,

1560
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,880
know just to open up the floor for the Players

1561
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,319
i'm most concerned about with that, is you, know Bub,

1562
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,600
Gulbali Alex Sar Trey johnson of course like to just

1563
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,760
make sure that he has every level to. Explore BUT

1564
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,239
I i have to, say AND i don't mean to sound,

1565
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:38,319
shocked BECAUSE i think they've telegraphed ever since this new

1566
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:40,800
front office took over that this is gonna be a

1567
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,760
franchise that operates with. FORETHOUGHT i can't say enough good

1568
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,479
things about how well they've. Gone we don't know what

1569
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,239
it's gonna turn. Into it's like a lot of it

1570
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:50,479
is still very much, theoretical including the players on the,

1571
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,000
roster but The Wizard's front office has done a heck

1572
01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:56,760
of a job just positioning this organization for the utmost.

1573
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: Flexibility, YEAH i would SAY i would agree with all

1574
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,359
that and add that like it is a process versus

1575
01:11:03,359 --> 01:11:06,720
results kind of analysis for, me because, like, yeah they

1576
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,640
they had two high lottery picks OR i mean one

1577
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,199
high lottery pick and another lottery pick in a twenty

1578
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:14,520
twenty four draft that just you, know too, Bad like

1579
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,279
they're just you, Know sorr may or may not become

1580
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,840
a high end. Starter same With, carrington same With. George

1581
01:11:22,199 --> 01:11:26,159
but like the process that yielded those, picks like really

1582
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:28,359
probably starting with the beeal trade a couple of years,

1583
01:11:28,399 --> 01:11:31,239
ago it was just, Like, okay we've got adults running

1584
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:34,159
the running the show, now and like with them With,

1585
01:11:34,319 --> 01:11:37,720
charlotte like these Like doormats are are and like these

1586
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,119
like kind of like unambitious nine and ten Ced chasers

1587
01:11:41,159 --> 01:11:43,960
are like reforming, themselves and maybe we're not that far

1588
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,199
away from The east being kind of, like, oh this

1589
01:11:46,279 --> 01:11:49,159
is the conference with all the like there's there's there's

1590
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:51,239
twelve good teams in. It. Now you know.

1591
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: There will always be like A bulls or A, pelicans

1592
01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:57,279
but it does feel like that's increasingly becoming an. Outlier

1593
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,520
and it was never the, rule but it felt like

1594
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,720
it was more easy to spot the franchises that would

1595
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,119
kind of screw themselves. Over and it's getting a lot

1596
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:04,760
harder to do.

1597
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,319
Speaker 2: That, yeah that is Not washington, anymore.

1598
01:12:07,039 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 1: Got anything else on? Them are you ready to take?

1599
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:09,279
Us take us out?

1600
01:12:09,399 --> 01:12:12,239
Speaker 2: HERE i think we've sufficiently praised The wizards and it's

1601
01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:14,960
all been Sincere it's just it's, just, uh it's. Weird

1602
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,600
it has it wasn't that way for a long, time

1603
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:18,600
but here we are what.

1604
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,560
Speaker 1: Other NATIONAL Nba podcasts even gave you twenty minutes on

1605
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,159
The Washington.

1606
01:12:22,199 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 2: WIZARDS i feel like we've been in the good graces

1607
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,000
of a lot of wizardsdom because we like Blaw Cool

1608
01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:30,159
bali so much and have always liked him so, much

1609
01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:32,279
and there's no better way to endear yourself than to.

1610
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: Like and we were pumping the brakes on The Alex

1611
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,840
saar disappointment, too where it's like you AND i are

1612
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,439
similar in the sense like for the first two years

1613
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,840
of a, career we're very eye. Testy it's, like, OH

1614
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,760
i don't, care they can't finish through. Contact look at

1615
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,760
what he did with this Past like he shot this

1616
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:45,960
from three FOR x amount of.

1617
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: Games, yeah shot forty two percent from two and he's a.

1618
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:49,399
Center don't.

1619
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:53,119
Speaker 1: Care he's grabbing and going, yeah like, yeah, side, yeah.

1620
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 2: Right we just we're just eye test. Guys that's that's

1621
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what our numbers.

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Speaker 1: Even.

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Speaker 2: Really, no thanks everybody for, listening for. Watching make sure

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you rate a, review, subscribe doing all the helpful things

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leave us a, comment let us know what you think

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about The, wizards because whatever you, think it's not as

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positive as what we, think and we like The wizards,

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first so we like The wizards before it was. COOL

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i think it's gonna do. It tell your, friends tell your.

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