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<v Speaker 1>Hi, It's me Dan Zupansky, host of True Murder. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell you about the hit podcast Cold. This season,

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<v Speaker 1>the host Dave Cowley investigates the disappearance of Sherry Warren,

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<v Speaker 1>a young mother looking for a fresh start. Recently divorced,

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<v Speaker 1>she had moved back in with her family, found a

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<v Speaker 1>great new job and even a new boyfriend. Her life

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<v Speaker 1>was turning around and she was happy for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time in a long time. But on a crisp October

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<v Speaker 1>evening after work, Sherry said goodbye to her co workers,

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<v Speaker 1>left the office and was never heard from again. All

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<v Speaker 1>eyes quickly turned towards her ex husband. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>history of violence and had previously lured another woman into

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<v Speaker 1>the woods and beat her with a tyrarn. But there

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<v Speaker 1>was also another man that piqued the interest of investigators,

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<v Speaker 1>Sherry's new boyfriend, a former reserve police officer who also

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<v Speaker 1>had a dark history of sexual violence. The two men

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<v Speaker 1>closest to Sherry swore they loved her and promised to

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<v Speaker 1>protect her, but did one of them murder her. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Today rain drizzled over the canyon of the South Fork

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<v Speaker 2>of the Ogden River. It pattered on the canvas top

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<v Speaker 2>of Heidi Posnin's jeep as she drove up Utah State

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<v Speaker 2>Highway thirty nine on the morning of Friday, June fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy one. She was on her way to meet

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<v Speaker 2>the strange man who had for weeks been calling her

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<v Speaker 2>demanding they go on a date. I can't see it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm doing air quotes. She turned right off the

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<v Speaker 2>highway at the entrance to the Meadows Campground, crossed a

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<v Speaker 2>short bridge over the river, barely more than a creek, really,

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<v Speaker 2>and stopped next to a camper trailer on the far side.

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<v Speaker 2>A pair of Sheriff's deputies dressed as fishermen stepped out

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<v Speaker 2>to greet her.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said what should I do? And he said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>just pull across the street and then leaves the jeep.

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<v Speaker 3>Part likes the sideways, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>As Heidi's describing this to me decades later, she's using

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<v Speaker 2>her hands to show the positions of her jeep and

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<v Speaker 2>the trailer. How the deputies told her to park next

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<v Speaker 2>to them, but to reverse out after the caller arrived

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<v Speaker 2>and passed by her position to block him from getting

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<v Speaker 2>back across the bridge to the road. She was the

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<v Speaker 2>cheese on the mouse trap, and.

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<v Speaker 3>They said make sure when he comes up, identify, make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that he's the right person.

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<v Speaker 2>Two miles down the canyon, back in the direction of Huntsville,

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<v Speaker 2>her husband, John Posneen, waited at another campground called Magpie.

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<v Speaker 2>The sheriff was with him, along with the deputy Halver Bailey.

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<v Speaker 2>They all watched the highway as the clock ticked toward

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<v Speaker 2>the time for Heidie's date to arrive. A little after

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<v Speaker 2>ten am, a red and white half ton pickup truck

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<v Speaker 2>passed Magpie. Going up the canyon toward Meadows. John Posny

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<v Speaker 2>saw a logo printed on the truck's door.

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<v Speaker 3>And a dummy. He was driving his dad's business. Truck,

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<v Speaker 3>said Hartman Plumbing, and when they drove passed Magpie, John

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<v Speaker 3>sith he immediately knew who it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Hartman Plumbing and Heating belonged to a man named Bill Hartman.

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<v Speaker 2>John knew Bill. They had golfed together at the Ogden

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<v Speaker 2>Golf and Country Club. Bill was also a fellow member

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<v Speaker 2>of the Weber Club. The caller had told Heidi he

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<v Speaker 2>had seen her at the Weaber club. It clicked for John.

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<v Speaker 2>He recognized the man at the wheel of the pickup

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<v Speaker 2>as Bill Hartman's oldest son, Carrie Hartman. The sheriff tried

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<v Speaker 2>to radio the two undercover deputies who were with Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>at Meadows to let them know the caller would soon

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<v Speaker 2>reach them, but the radio didn't work in the narrow canyon.

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi had no idea who the young man in the

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<v Speaker 2>pickup truck was when he turned off the highway, drove

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<v Speaker 2>across the bridge and stopped next to her.

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<v Speaker 3>Jee No, because I never paid any attention to him before.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't notice him.

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<v Speaker 2>Before the young man rolled down his window. Heidi saw

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<v Speaker 2>he had brown hair, green eyes, and appeared clean cut,

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<v Speaker 2>like a cop or military man. Kind of forgettable.

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<v Speaker 3>It is high, I can't remember exactly. And then I said,

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<v Speaker 3>why would you pick on an old lady like me?

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<v Speaker 3>And he made some remark that I was a sexier

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<v Speaker 3>pretty or something. You know, you're not an old lady

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<v Speaker 3>at this point though, No, gosh, no, but I was

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<v Speaker 3>way older than he was. I already had kids, you know, teenagers,

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I was an old.

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<v Speaker 2>Lady Carry Hartman was twenty two to Heidie's thirty six,

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<v Speaker 2>and he.

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<v Speaker 3>Kept looking at that trailer, and he was getting a

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<v Speaker 3>little nervous, and he said, I'm gonna just pull up there.

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<v Speaker 3>Why don't you follow me up there by?

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<v Speaker 2>Up there, Carrie went farther into the campground behind a

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<v Speaker 2>line of trees out of side of the road. He

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<v Speaker 2>drove past her up around a bend. Heidi put her

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<v Speaker 2>jeep in reverse, pulled out and blocked the narrow road

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<v Speaker 2>just as the deputies had instructed. She then leaped from

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<v Speaker 2>the jeep and rushed into the safety of their trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>The deputies told her to stay put, then went to

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<v Speaker 2>stand next to the jeep. Heidi poured herself a cup

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<v Speaker 2>of coffee. With shaking hands, she listened for the sound

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<v Speaker 2>of the pickup. It returned after a few minutes. Heidi

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<v Speaker 2>peeked out the window as the deputies pulled Carry out

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<v Speaker 2>of the truck and placed him under arrest. They frisked him,

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<v Speaker 2>finding a small knife in his pocket. Then they tried

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<v Speaker 2>to call their backup down at the Magpie campground, only

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<v Speaker 2>to discover their radios didn't work in the canyon either,

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<v Speaker 2>so the deputies piled into Kerry's truck and drove it

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<v Speaker 2>and him down the canyon to meet with the sheriff.

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<v Speaker 3>I stayed awhile because I was all nervous. I guess whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd had my coffee, and then I got in the

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<v Speaker 3>cheap and I drove down and they were already gone.

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<v Speaker 2>So only later did Heidi learn from her husband John

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<v Speaker 2>what had happened. When Carrie had arrived in handcuffs at Magpie, John,

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<v Speaker 2>she told me, had turned to the sheriff.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, boy, you'd like to smack him in the mouse,

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<v Speaker 3>And he says, well, look the other way. So they

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<v Speaker 3>had him already out, and John touched him and he

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<v Speaker 3>was embarrassed. He looked down and he says, I wish

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<v Speaker 3>you had a gun and shoot me. Really yeah, he

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<v Speaker 3>said that because he was embarrassed. He was ashamed.

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<v Speaker 2>John Posneen had punched Carry Hartman in the face while

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<v Speaker 2>the sheriff and his deputies looked the other way. Needless

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<v Speaker 2>to say, this wasn't legal. The deputies had then taken

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<v Speaker 2>Carry to the Weaver County Jail in Ogden, where they'd

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<v Speaker 2>booked him on suspicion of making threatening phone calls. A

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<v Speaker 2>minor misdemeanor charge didn't quite match the gravity of the

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<v Speaker 2>whole situation. Carrie provided a handwritten statement admitting to what

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<v Speaker 2>had happened. I called the lady and said, would you

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<v Speaker 2>meet me at a time and place. If not, some

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<v Speaker 2>harm would come to your husband's car and possibly him.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not Carrie's voice, but they are his words read

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<v Speaker 2>by a voice actor. Even today, Heidi downplays this seriousness

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<v Speaker 2>of what happened well.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he really hadn't done anything other than met me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm here to tell you there was something much

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<v Speaker 2>more ominous behind those phone calls, something that makes Heidie's

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<v Speaker 2>mouth go dry and her hands fidget when she really

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<v Speaker 2>stops to think about it. This season isn't about Heidie Posny,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said earlier, It's about the disappearance of Shuri Warren.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a reason we're starting with Heidi instead of Shari.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because Carrie Hartman, the man who tried to lure

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi up that canyon, would years later meet, befriend, and

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<v Speaker 2>woo Shari Warren. So now we're going to follow Carrie's

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<v Speaker 2>path to see how he and Shari first came together.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on, because from here everything escalates. Our story begins

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<v Speaker 2>with a phone call.

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<v Speaker 3>Boys on the phone seit I was sexy. He had

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<v Speaker 3>made literally thousands of those types of calls.

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<v Speaker 2>He follows the women, gets to know him and then

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<v Speaker 2>hit them. Then don't recording your body that I found everything.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of missing girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Escalates.

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<v Speaker 3>She was beaten, stabbed until the knife broke, and shot

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<v Speaker 3>twice in the head.

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<v Speaker 2>Shari Warren disappeared in the fall of nineteen eighty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Her friends and family say she's not the type to

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<v Speaker 3>just run away. She wouldn't leave for child.

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<v Speaker 2>No one can say just what happened to Shari. No

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<v Speaker 2>one's faced charges for her disappearance, not her ex husband,

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck Warren.

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<v Speaker 3>Money was a big issue in Chuck. He told her,

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<v Speaker 3>if I can't have you, nobody's going to. I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Shuri's boyfriend Carrie Hartman be careful with him.

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<v Speaker 3>He had two dispositions, Doctor Jekyll mister Hyde.

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<v Speaker 2>He could be the nicest guy you ever wanted me,

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<v Speaker 2>but he also had that sinister side.

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