Speaker 1: Hi, It's me Dan Zupansky, host of True Murder. I
Speaker 1: want to tell you about the hit podcast Cold. This season,
Speaker 1: the host Dave Cowley investigates the disappearance of Sherry Warren,
Speaker 1: a young mother looking for a fresh start. Recently divorced,
Speaker 1: she had moved back in with her family, found a
Speaker 1: great new job and even a new boyfriend. Her life
Speaker 1: was turning around and she was happy for the first
Speaker 1: time in a long time. But on a crisp October
Speaker 1: evening after work, Sherry said goodbye to her co workers,
Speaker 1: left the office and was never heard from again. All
Speaker 1: eyes quickly turned towards her ex husband. He had a
Speaker 1: history of violence and had previously lured another woman into
Speaker 1: the woods and beat her with a tyrarn. But there
Speaker 1: was also another man that piqued the interest of investigators,
Speaker 1: Sherry's new boyfriend, a former reserve police officer who also
Speaker 1: had a dark history of sexual violence. The two men
Speaker 1: closest to Sherry swore they loved her and promised to
Speaker 1: protect her, but did one of them murder her. I'm
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Speaker 2: Today rain drizzled over the canyon of the South Fork
Speaker 2: of the Ogden River. It pattered on the canvas top
Speaker 2: of Heidi Posnin's jeep as she drove up Utah State
Speaker 2: Highway thirty nine on the morning of Friday, June fourth,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one. She was on her way to meet
Speaker 2: the strange man who had for weeks been calling her
Speaker 2: demanding they go on a date. I can't see it,
Speaker 2: but I'm doing air quotes. She turned right off the
Speaker 2: highway at the entrance to the Meadows Campground, crossed a
Speaker 2: short bridge over the river, barely more than a creek, really,
Speaker 2: and stopped next to a camper trailer on the far side.
Speaker 2: A pair of Sheriff's deputies dressed as fishermen stepped out
Speaker 2: to greet her.
Speaker 3: And I said what should I do? And he said, well,
Speaker 3: just pull across the street and then leaves the jeep.
Speaker 3: Part likes the sideways, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: As Heidi's describing this to me decades later, she's using
Speaker 2: her hands to show the positions of her jeep and
Speaker 2: the trailer. How the deputies told her to park next
Speaker 2: to them, but to reverse out after the caller arrived
Speaker 2: and passed by her position to block him from getting
Speaker 2: back across the bridge to the road. She was the
Speaker 2: cheese on the mouse trap, and.
Speaker 3: They said make sure when he comes up, identify, make
Speaker 3: sure that he's the right person.
Speaker 2: Two miles down the canyon, back in the direction of Huntsville,
Speaker 2: her husband, John Posneen, waited at another campground called Magpie.
Speaker 2: The sheriff was with him, along with the deputy Halver Bailey.
Speaker 2: They all watched the highway as the clock ticked toward
Speaker 2: the time for Heidie's date to arrive. A little after
Speaker 2: ten am, a red and white half ton pickup truck
Speaker 2: passed Magpie. Going up the canyon toward Meadows. John Posny
Speaker 2: saw a logo printed on the truck's door.
Speaker 3: And a dummy. He was driving his dad's business. Truck,
Speaker 3: said Hartman Plumbing, and when they drove passed Magpie, John
Speaker 3: sith he immediately knew who it was.
Speaker 2: Hartman Plumbing and Heating belonged to a man named Bill Hartman.
Speaker 2: John knew Bill. They had golfed together at the Ogden
Speaker 2: Golf and Country Club. Bill was also a fellow member
Speaker 2: of the Weber Club. The caller had told Heidi he
Speaker 2: had seen her at the Weaber club. It clicked for John.
Speaker 2: He recognized the man at the wheel of the pickup
Speaker 2: as Bill Hartman's oldest son, Carrie Hartman. The sheriff tried
Speaker 2: to radio the two undercover deputies who were with Heidi
Speaker 2: at Meadows to let them know the caller would soon
Speaker 2: reach them, but the radio didn't work in the narrow canyon.
Speaker 2: Heidi had no idea who the young man in the
Speaker 2: pickup truck was when he turned off the highway, drove
Speaker 2: across the bridge and stopped next to her.
Speaker 3: Jee No, because I never paid any attention to him before.
Speaker 3: I didn't notice him.
Speaker 2: Before the young man rolled down his window. Heidi saw
Speaker 2: he had brown hair, green eyes, and appeared clean cut,
Speaker 2: like a cop or military man. Kind of forgettable.
Speaker 3: It is high, I can't remember exactly. And then I said,
Speaker 3: why would you pick on an old lady like me?
Speaker 3: And he made some remark that I was a sexier
Speaker 3: pretty or something. You know, you're not an old lady
Speaker 3: at this point though, No, gosh, no, but I was
Speaker 3: way older than he was. I already had kids, you know, teenagers,
Speaker 3: So yeah, I was an old.
Speaker 2: Lady Carry Hartman was twenty two to Heidie's thirty six,
Speaker 2: and he.
Speaker 3: Kept looking at that trailer, and he was getting a
Speaker 3: little nervous, and he said, I'm gonna just pull up there.
Speaker 3: Why don't you follow me up there by?
Speaker 2: Up there, Carrie went farther into the campground behind a
Speaker 2: line of trees out of side of the road. He
Speaker 2: drove past her up around a bend. Heidi put her
Speaker 2: jeep in reverse, pulled out and blocked the narrow road
Speaker 2: just as the deputies had instructed. She then leaped from
Speaker 2: the jeep and rushed into the safety of their trailer.
Speaker 2: The deputies told her to stay put, then went to
Speaker 2: stand next to the jeep. Heidi poured herself a cup
Speaker 2: of coffee. With shaking hands, she listened for the sound
Speaker 2: of the pickup. It returned after a few minutes. Heidi
Speaker 2: peeked out the window as the deputies pulled Carry out
Speaker 2: of the truck and placed him under arrest. They frisked him,
Speaker 2: finding a small knife in his pocket. Then they tried
Speaker 2: to call their backup down at the Magpie campground, only
Speaker 2: to discover their radios didn't work in the canyon either,
Speaker 2: so the deputies piled into Kerry's truck and drove it
Speaker 2: and him down the canyon to meet with the sheriff.
Speaker 3: I stayed awhile because I was all nervous. I guess whatever.
Speaker 3: I'd had my coffee, and then I got in the
Speaker 3: cheap and I drove down and they were already gone.
Speaker 2: So only later did Heidi learn from her husband John
Speaker 2: what had happened. When Carrie had arrived in handcuffs at Magpie, John,
Speaker 2: she told me, had turned to the sheriff.
Speaker 3: He says, boy, you'd like to smack him in the mouse,
Speaker 3: And he says, well, look the other way. So they
Speaker 3: had him already out, and John touched him and he
Speaker 3: was embarrassed. He looked down and he says, I wish
Speaker 3: you had a gun and shoot me. Really yeah, he
Speaker 3: said that because he was embarrassed. He was ashamed.
Speaker 2: John Posneen had punched Carry Hartman in the face while
Speaker 2: the sheriff and his deputies looked the other way. Needless
Speaker 2: to say, this wasn't legal. The deputies had then taken
Speaker 2: Carry to the Weaver County Jail in Ogden, where they'd
Speaker 2: booked him on suspicion of making threatening phone calls. A
Speaker 2: minor misdemeanor charge didn't quite match the gravity of the
Speaker 2: whole situation. Carrie provided a handwritten statement admitting to what
Speaker 2: had happened. I called the lady and said, would you
Speaker 2: meet me at a time and place. If not, some
Speaker 2: harm would come to your husband's car and possibly him.
Speaker 2: That's not Carrie's voice, but they are his words read
Speaker 2: by a voice actor. Even today, Heidi downplays this seriousness
Speaker 2: of what happened well.
Speaker 3: Because he really hadn't done anything other than met me.
Speaker 2: But I'm here to tell you there was something much
Speaker 2: more ominous behind those phone calls, something that makes Heidie's
Speaker 2: mouth go dry and her hands fidget when she really
Speaker 2: stops to think about it. This season isn't about Heidie Posny,
Speaker 2: as I said earlier, It's about the disappearance of Shuri Warren.
Speaker 2: But there's a reason we're starting with Heidi instead of Shari.
Speaker 2: It's because Carrie Hartman, the man who tried to lure
Speaker 2: Heidi up that canyon, would years later meet, befriend, and
Speaker 2: woo Shari Warren. So now we're going to follow Carrie's
Speaker 2: path to see how he and Shari first came together.
Speaker 2: Hold on, because from here everything escalates. Our story begins
Speaker 2: with a phone call.
Speaker 3: Boys on the phone seit I was sexy. He had
Speaker 3: made literally thousands of those types of calls.
Speaker 2: He follows the women, gets to know him and then
Speaker 2: hit them. Then don't recording your body that I found everything.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of missing girls.
Speaker 2: Escalates.
Speaker 3: She was beaten, stabbed until the knife broke, and shot
Speaker 3: twice in the head.
Speaker 2: Shari Warren disappeared in the fall of nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 3: Her friends and family say she's not the type to
Speaker 3: just run away. She wouldn't leave for child.
Speaker 2: No one can say just what happened to Shari. No
Speaker 2: one's faced charges for her disappearance, not her ex husband,
Speaker 2: Chuck Warren.
Speaker 3: Money was a big issue in Chuck. He told her,
Speaker 3: if I can't have you, nobody's going to. I'm not.
Speaker 2: Shuri's boyfriend Carrie Hartman be careful with him.
Speaker 3: He had two dispositions, Doctor Jekyll mister Hyde.
Speaker 2: He could be the nicest guy you ever wanted me,
Speaker 2: but he also had that sinister side.
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