Speaker 1: Breaking down all the xys and ohs. This is I
Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Box Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I'm about hero Pox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: I'm Steve Rivera. You happen to be Blake Eager from.
Speaker 3: A Southern Arizona sports tourism and film authority.
Speaker 4: If you, guys, we have plenty of time to talk.
Speaker 4: We're going to talk to.
Speaker 2: Miss Schnell Lindsay Snell from the Athletic talking about her
Speaker 2: conversations with Tommy Lloyd here a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 2: as they get ready for the Big twelve.
Speaker 4: So I'm looking forward for that or to that.
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Speaker 2: four one forty wax poetic with us solve the world's
Speaker 2: problems if you'd like, and then we'll talk to her
Speaker 2: and then we'll take more calls. Uh So, Uh, you're
Speaker 2: hoping that you just finished WC WBC. Uh it went
Speaker 2: fairly well, right, Uh, And I called this sometime. It's
Speaker 2: you know Climber's remorse, right, You're going up you're going
Speaker 2: up and you're halfway there and so, oh god is
Speaker 2: this tough. I'm not gonna ever gonna do this, And
Speaker 2: then you get to the end you tink it. God,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to do it again.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I don't know. I mean it's like
Speaker 3: three weeks ago. Sarah Horvath, who's a director at Quino
Speaker 3: Sports Complex, and I had a conversation like, Okay, if
Speaker 3: they come here and they're like, hey, would you do
Speaker 3: this again? And we were both like each other and
Speaker 3: we were like, f no, there's absolutely no shot, right
Speaker 3: because it's just it's so much. It's overwhelming the first
Speaker 3: time out. You get to remember that was the first
Speaker 3: large project that we had both that we'd all worked
Speaker 3: on together. Hey, but you're working with It's not just
Speaker 3: like you're not bringing just a random tournament here, right,
Speaker 3: It's major League Baseball. It's putting on an Olympic event essentially.
Speaker 3: That's how much involvement there was to that. But once
Speaker 3: we were done and the reception that we had right
Speaker 3: and the ability to show Tucson as a viable market
Speaker 3: in the world of professional baseball again internationally, I would
Speaker 3: do it again.
Speaker 2: So and you learned a lot, right, I'm sure you learned.
Speaker 2: Have you had your post meetings.
Speaker 3: We worked on a little bit today from an invoice
Speaker 3: standpoint where we're at financially, and then next week we'll
Speaker 3: have a full breakdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you'll find out more this is okay,
Speaker 2: next time we got to be better at this. Yeah
Speaker 2: we did well at this.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: YEAHA so you'll be better next time. Whether you get
Speaker 2: that chance, yeah, I think we'll get that chance again.
Speaker 2: I think we'll get that chance next year. And so
Speaker 2: the big thing that we.
Speaker 3: Talked about, and we were always talking about this morning
Speaker 3: on the radio, is that this was and you've talked
Speaker 3: about this, this was a you know, catalyst for other things, right,
Speaker 3: and one of those things would be spring training baseball,
Speaker 3: you know. And it showed MLB Major League Baseball Players Association,
Speaker 3: which is a union, right that Tucson ach not only
Speaker 3: I mean can handle an event of this nature, but
Speaker 3: it is. It's a it's an extremely well run and
Speaker 3: a great facility.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you. And it looked fantastic, right
Speaker 2: I have been there forever. It looked amazing. Okay, I know,
Speaker 2: I know, I'm want to get a biased opinion. I know,
Speaker 2: because we're all biased in our own way. But if Arizona,
Speaker 2: if we're ever to get a team again, two teams, whatever,
Speaker 2: will it work?
Speaker 4: Could it work?
Speaker 3: I Mean we had this convert You asked me this
Speaker 3: question on Monday. Are we a sports town?
Speaker 4: Ali? This morning?
Speaker 3: I asked Alie and all He's like, we're absolutely sports town.
Speaker 3: It works if we buy into it as a community.
Speaker 3: Well we talked about Yeah. No, I get where you're
Speaker 3: going with it now because we talk about that, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The thing is it's the buy in. It's the buy
Speaker 3: in and what does that and what does that look like?
Speaker 3: How do we change that culture totally? You know, we
Speaker 3: we have this amazing place in the world and people
Speaker 3: sleep on two soon all the time. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: get so sick of hearing it, especially when I go
Speaker 3: through right. I mean, Phoenix looks at us like an
Speaker 3: ugly step child, and that's fine, but they've helped us
Speaker 3: out a lot. But from a culture standpoint, we I mean,
Speaker 3: we have so many things to show off to the world.
Speaker 3: We need to show up to these events. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: we need to show up to our proteins. It's not
Speaker 3: just you of a men's basketball. It's it's everything that
Speaker 3: we can if we can be successful and they're not
Speaker 3: asking for a sellout every time. If you could average
Speaker 3: three thousand fans a game Summer League team and four thousand,
Speaker 3: which is not a lot for a Winter League team,
Speaker 3: that's success at a pretty good level.
Speaker 2: It's funny you say that. As you were saying this,
Speaker 2: I was laughing because I posted something on Facebook Dottle
Speaker 2: four five years ago. I was you got to stop
Speaker 2: light right and the long line for the green to come,
Speaker 2: and there's a guy on your right trying to get in,
Speaker 2: trying to get in and waiting for you. So I
Speaker 2: stopped one day and let him in, and he didn't
Speaker 2: give me the way, thank you. He didn't do that.
Speaker 2: But as he was leaving he had one of those
Speaker 2: be kind snickers a stick or something. I said, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna be that, do that. And that's kind of
Speaker 2: what you're saying. If you want these things here, be
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you so funny.
Speaker 3: So I when I walk in my neighborhood, I always
Speaker 3: I always try to wave at everybody's rise by right.
Speaker 3: I want to try to be a good neighbor. And
Speaker 3: every time they don't wave at me. I get so frustrated.
Speaker 3: And it's like the same thing. So I take this
Speaker 3: a lot like I take in politics, Like if you
Speaker 3: didn't vote, I'm not gonna have a conversation about you
Speaker 3: with politics, right, same thing with sports. If you don't
Speaker 3: attend a vent or go to a game, I don't
Speaker 3: have there's no conversation.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: You have to invested into that moment with that thought, Oh,
Speaker 3: you called, Jim, just give us a quick call back.
Speaker 3: I was ready to say hello, and there you are.
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, hello, Jim, you're back. Who's this, Jim?
Speaker 5: I hit the wrong stinking button.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're back.
Speaker 5: Yes, So your discussion about pro sports in Tucson, as
Speaker 5: far as baseball goes and spring training more specifically, there's
Speaker 5: a fly in your ointment there that I don't think
Speaker 5: you can get out. It's probably a bird in your ointment,
Speaker 5: and that is the travel time those players. You know,
Speaker 5: when spring training shut down here it was I don't
Speaker 5: know ten years ago or more fifteen fifteen. And they're
Speaker 5: making a lot of money. They're not going to sit
Speaker 5: on a bus for three hours a day to go
Speaker 5: to a game. They've got hectic schedules, it's like we do,
Speaker 5: and those schedules don't allow for a bus ride or
Speaker 5: even a car ride, even a plane ride to Tucson
Speaker 5: on a daily basis. So that's going to be really
Speaker 5: difficult to deal with.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with them, Yeah, I tell you, I mean,
Speaker 3: I I think I can talk about this, right. So
Speaker 3: Jim's right, we're the likelihood that we're going to get
Speaker 3: a team to Tucson in that's part of the Cactus
Speaker 3: League is probably slim at this point, even if the
Speaker 3: expansion happens, not to say it never happened. So the
Speaker 3: spring training model is not going to be a home
Speaker 3: team here participating in Cactus League. It's going to have
Speaker 3: to be probably two teams from the Mexican League here
Speaker 3: in Tucson, and then you would have teams from Phoenix
Speaker 3: come down, yes, for about six to eight games, and
Speaker 3: those teams from Mexico to go back up. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the travel time and where they're at proximity now with
Speaker 3: Maricopa County, it works really well for them up there.
Speaker 3: But Gym's right, it's probably not gonna happen. Even though
Speaker 3: if you look at the Great Foot League, you're traveling
Speaker 3: three and a half hours, four hours sometimes.
Speaker 4: To play games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I see, Blake, that that might that may be
Speaker 5: viable if it's a you know, an occasional trip down
Speaker 5: for something totally different. And and the idea of spring
Speaker 5: training including the Mexican League teams, that's interesting, that'd be
Speaker 5: fun to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hold on to that thought, because I've heard
Speaker 2: a few things.
Speaker 5: You know, not a play. I played in a game
Speaker 5: in No Gallas.
Speaker 4: One time that was.
Speaker 6: Similar to that that.
Speaker 5: It was nineteen ninety five or four, one of those
Speaker 5: two when this Major League went on strike. And so
Speaker 5: come August or early September, I think it was, they
Speaker 5: called on our MSBL group to get a team together
Speaker 5: to go down and play a Mexican team that had
Speaker 5: several MLB players involved because they wanted to get reps
Speaker 5: and they thought they were going to go back into
Speaker 5: the season and you know, solved and closed down to
Speaker 5: strike and start playing the game. And so I played
Speaker 5: in the game like that, and uh, it was interesting
Speaker 5: just from the standpoint of.
Speaker 6: It is very unique.
Speaker 5: You're never gonna see anything like probably like that again.
Speaker 4: But we almost beat those guys.
Speaker 5: So that's my two cent. And what a great memory
Speaker 5: to have, right, Yeah, it was really fantastic.
Speaker 7: I was standing out.
Speaker 5: In center field for the first skinning and a half.
Speaker 4: Just my mouth was open.
Speaker 5: Those guys had grown men that were bat boys, that
Speaker 5: doubled as clowns, and I just I couldn't believe what
Speaker 5: I was seeing.
Speaker 2: Jim, thanks for the call again here, Well you should. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, we'll see what happens. I've been hearing things,
Speaker 2: you know, on the outside. Gotta be patient.
Speaker 3: Gotta be patient, Like I said, I mean, we've got
Speaker 3: a lot of things move in the right direction in
Speaker 3: a lot of different ways. And I know we talk
Speaker 3: baseball a lot, but that it exceeds just baseball, and
Speaker 3: we're you know, I wish I could scream it from
Speaker 3: the mountaintops, but we're in. This is the first time
Speaker 3: I've seen all a lot of people working coming together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well that's what you We'll pull the
Speaker 2: rope on the same all the same direction. And I
Speaker 2: think that's what Tucson finally has. Even I don't know
Speaker 2: politically or whatever, but do you have more people like you,
Speaker 2: tour and road runners and all these people all together
Speaker 2: saying we need to be together to make all this happen.
Speaker 3: I think you have a lot of people talking to
Speaker 3: each other that you didn't for a long term, right, right,
Speaker 3: So that's for whatever reason, for whatever reason it is,
Speaker 3: and you can there's plenty of instant and instances that
Speaker 3: we could probably point to, and there's some things that
Speaker 3: are probably wrong, but we point to them anyway. Uh,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's it does feel like it does feel
Speaker 3: like a change of the guard in a very positive setting.
Speaker 3: And I say proactive a lot because as a Tucson
Speaker 3: as a twoson, and I've always been known as a
Speaker 3: reactive to all the situations that are happening.
Speaker 2: So let me let me ask you this. We got
Speaker 2: about we have time times. So you're from here, you
Speaker 2: grew up here, You've went all over the country, maybe
Speaker 2: over the over the over, Yeah, I lived overseas. So
Speaker 2: what why did you come back? Because I'm Tucson, I
Speaker 2: love Tucson. I want a chance to change for the better.
Speaker 2: Is that the purpose why you came back?
Speaker 4: Really? Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 3: I mean I asked myself that a lot of times
Speaker 3: because I love some of the places. I loved living
Speaker 3: in New York, I love living in Denver. I love
Speaker 3: living Hawaii, but that would never be affordable. I love
Speaker 3: living in Sweden. But I love Tucson. I love southern Arizona.
Speaker 3: It made me who I was. And because what's because?
Speaker 3: Because why do.
Speaker 4: You love Tucson.
Speaker 3: Because it's got soul, It's got a heart, like you
Speaker 3: can stay connected to this city in so many different ways,
Speaker 3: to this region so many whereas people care about each
Speaker 3: other here, we need to take the chance to care
Speaker 3: about them. Well, that's the reason why I stay here too.
Speaker 3: I love this place. It's a big small town.
Speaker 2: It's a it me bury, and it kind of is
Speaker 2: it's everybody knows six degrees of separation. Yeah, what's Is
Speaker 2: there a misconception or perceived wrong because you talked about
Speaker 2: Phoenix having this is the bad little brother or step
Speaker 2: brother is ugly, step brother bad? They helped us a ton. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It still thought that way.
Speaker 2: It's you all get off me a little good.
Speaker 3: I mean twoson in view Phoenix as this rivalry where
Speaker 3: Phoenix is like, we don't even know you exist, right,
Speaker 3: We view La and Houston and Denver and and you know,
Speaker 3: Dallas is our rivals where we're just like, no, we
Speaker 3: hate you guys, and they're like, yeah, cool, okay whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just think that we if we ever get a
Speaker 3: chance to step back and look at other places around
Speaker 3: the country or even the world that are doing things correctly,
Speaker 3: that we don't need to reinvent the wheel, and we go, Okay,
Speaker 3: what are they doing? Well, how how do we do
Speaker 3: the same thing? Well, it's funny you say that, because
Speaker 3: isn't that what Tommy saying? Getting it back to the
Speaker 3: stuff that we don't do. That's just trying to make
Speaker 3: it better and see what you're doing. And there's no
Speaker 3: there's no apocasty or whatever word that's not the right
Speaker 3: word in in imitating what others do. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: how I got to college. This is a live mike.
Speaker 4: You know that. I don't care what are they going
Speaker 4: to come back? Yeah? Yeah, I probably should say that.
Speaker 3: No, you're absolutely right, And I think Tommy's just seeing
Speaker 3: like you want a coach to be open and vulnerable
Speaker 3: and honest with the community that he's representing, and because
Speaker 3: you want him to feel like he's a part of
Speaker 3: it so he doesn't leave. I think one thing we've
Speaker 3: talked about in the past is that We don't want
Speaker 3: Arizona to be a stepping stone for college coaches to
Speaker 3: come here and then go on. You've got to create
Speaker 3: a culture that they feel like this is their home.
Speaker 3: Like we talked about John Miller. Sean Miller was great.
Speaker 3: I never felt like he was a two son in No.
Speaker 3: I always felt like he you know, sure, Tommy feels
Speaker 3: like he's two.
Speaker 2: So Tommy Tucson, Sean, Sean would know. Sean not that
Speaker 2: he was looking for the next bus out, but he was,
Speaker 2: you know, he said he knew the schedule.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was the one way trip. I'm
Speaker 3: not taking that bus. But when the bus comes on
Speaker 3: and jumping on that bus.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay, let's take a break here to come back
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Speaker 1: the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 4: Hey, welcome back to win the ball your own good Rivera.
Speaker 2: You will blake ainger now when the phone we have
Speaker 2: Lindsay Schnell from the Athletic Lindsay you there. I am fantastic.
Speaker 2: You're hard to find. You know that you're like a
Speaker 2: movie target.
Speaker 7: I'm elusive, you know, just like all the best players.
Speaker 3: We needed to kill us some nil money to get
Speaker 3: you on the show.
Speaker 7: So well, really would work is if you guys had
Speaker 7: invited me like in studio, like giving me another reason
Speaker 7: to come to sunny Arizona because at my house in Portland, Oregon,
Speaker 7: it's currently pouring rain.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well that's always poored in Portland. But it's
Speaker 2: a great place. It's a great place. You can always
Speaker 2: come back. We're fine, We're fine down here. It's nice today,
Speaker 2: it's gonna rain tomorrow. Said, how was your trip down
Speaker 2: here last time? I think it was two weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and you were able to see practice and talk to Tommy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, my trip was great. It was the second stop
Speaker 7: on my what I'm calling my PAC twelve tour because
Speaker 7: the PAC twelve lives on in my heart. I was
Speaker 7: at UCLA first. I also popped over to Irvine. Obviously
Speaker 7: they're not they don't have PAC twelve history, but and
Speaker 7: then came down to Arizona to talk to Tommy, sit down
Speaker 7: with Caleb g Love and Henry Vasser, and it was great.
Speaker 7: You know, it's because I have spent so many years
Speaker 7: covering Gonzaga and so still every time I see Tommy
Speaker 7: in an Arizona shirt, I'm a little thrown off, you know,
Speaker 7: And I feel like every time I look at his bench,
Speaker 7: I'm like, wait, that's another Zag on there. Yeah, but
Speaker 7: really fun to see them and not surprised at all
Speaker 7: that the success that I've had.
Speaker 4: Under him, so real quick before Blake comes up.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I saw him say hello to you,
Speaker 2: and I think if they know each other from the past,
Speaker 2: totally makes sense if he was if you were up
Speaker 2: with the Zags a few times and he was there forever,
Speaker 2: so that makes sense. So you're not you're not unfamiliar
Speaker 2: with his demeanor and his personality because he's got that personality.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely knowing him a long time. He also, my
Speaker 7: dad had a background in coaching in the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 7: so Tommy knows my dad too. Like, uh, but it
Speaker 7: really does go back to I've watched I've been around
Speaker 7: Gonzaga a lot, and you know, written numerous times about
Speaker 7: him bringing over these guys that we had never heard
Speaker 7: of from various countries, and what do you know, he
Speaker 7: turns them into first round NBA picks. So I've been
Speaker 7: familiar with him and his style and your pointing his
Speaker 7: personality such a player's coach for a long time.
Speaker 3: Hey, Lindsay, this is Blake. Great to have you on.
Speaker 3: I love Portland, my family, my uncle's there, my cousins
Speaker 3: are there. I've probably spent too much time at mcminimon's
Speaker 3: to talk about on the air, but I do love Portland.
Speaker 3: I love the Great Northwest. So just staying on, Tommy,
Speaker 3: Because you spent so much time with Gonzaga, what was
Speaker 3: the feeling when he left Gonzaga came to Tucson to
Speaker 3: take the u OF job. Were you guys excited that
Speaker 3: he was moving on to the next step or were
Speaker 3: you upset that you were losing arguably the greatest assistant
Speaker 3: coach in college basketball at that time.
Speaker 7: Well, I don't have a dog in the fight, so
Speaker 7: I don't know that I felt in particular way, but
Speaker 7: I don't think that anyone was surprised. I think that
Speaker 7: was the big thing. Obviously, what he helps you build and
Speaker 7: maintain there in Spokane was incredible, and everyone knew that
Speaker 7: he was going to be a head coach someday. But
Speaker 7: I remember when everything was going on and his name
Speaker 7: was being thrown around obviously, like James Stogmeyer's name was
Speaker 7: being thrown around, and who could forget Gilbert Arenas's you
Speaker 7: know comments that What I recall is everyone at Gonzaga
Speaker 7: was so excited for him, and everyone there, remember, you know,
Speaker 7: was saying like Gilbert A. Renas is crazy, He's going
Speaker 7: to be an incredible hire. And if you had watched
Speaker 7: him coach at Gonzaga with Mark Few four years and
Speaker 7: I think you see this now with he's lead assistant,
Speaker 7: it was really a partnership, you know. And Few was
Speaker 7: the first person to give Tommy credits talk about how
Speaker 7: important he was to their program. So I think there's
Speaker 7: no question that everyone in Spokane, uh was bummed because
Speaker 7: they loved him, and Spokane is such a like a
Speaker 7: small big city type type feeling. But I know that
Speaker 7: everyone was excited for him and no one is surprised
Speaker 7: again at his success. What I really want to know
Speaker 7: is when they're going to start scheduling home and home
Speaker 7: with each other so you can get a Gonzaga Arizona
Speaker 7: matchup every year.
Speaker 2: You and everybody else wants to know that, in fact,
Speaker 2: they should They should have met in the Bahamas and
Speaker 2: didn't write right, I'm sure did you ask him that question?
Speaker 4: One? And I'm sure we don't want it to happen.
Speaker 7: I actually didn't ask him that. It's funny because I
Speaker 7: should have. But I have to tell you, guys, I'm
Speaker 7: a huge Oregon State women's basketball fan. I'm an Oregon
Speaker 7: State alum, and women's basketball is like that ugo that
Speaker 7: I really care about. And I had wanted an Oregon
Speaker 7: State Gonzaga regular women's game forever and then got that
Speaker 7: because the PAC twelve collapse and Oregon State had to
Speaker 7: join the WCC and they went down to the wire,
Speaker 7: the organ saying Gounzaga women three times this season. Two
Speaker 7: of them went overtime, and I was like, man, I
Speaker 7: wanted this matchup forever, but it's not very good for
Speaker 7: my health. So it's very possible that a lot of
Speaker 7: people in Spokane would feel that same way if we
Speaker 7: got Arizona Gunzega regularly.
Speaker 2: Sure, and that friendship bight end if they actually played.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, did you play in Oregon? Did
Speaker 2: you play hoops in high school?
Speaker 7: I was a high school basketball player. Yeah, not in college,
Speaker 7: but yes, I just played high school basketball. Lots of
Speaker 7: good memories with that.
Speaker 2: Well, the reason I asked is because when I was
Speaker 2: at USA Today in the late eighties earty nineties, there
Speaker 2: was a team in Oregon one of the cities there that.
Speaker 4: Was number one forever.
Speaker 7: Oregon City was John Oregon City High School.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: John Pitts was the high school editor. I was along
Speaker 2: with those rides in the top twenty five stuff, and
Speaker 2: I remember that distinctly thirty some years ago.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Oregon City High School girls basketball, they were a
Speaker 7: powerhouse for a long time. It's funny because we're talking
Speaker 7: on the day that the high school basketball tournaments have started,
Speaker 7: and so Oregon City is not in it this year,
Speaker 7: but I'm excited to go watch those games. You know.
Speaker 7: I think that you guys know this because you live
Speaker 7: in a city that loves basketball. And I've always felt
Speaker 7: that about the city of Portland, but also like the
Speaker 7: state of Oregon loves basketball and has a great appreciation
Speaker 7: for women's basketball, and I think a big part of
Speaker 7: it is because of what a dominant high school program
Speaker 7: they had in Oregon City for so long.
Speaker 2: I was, Okay, so now we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: the reasons why you came down, And I guess did
Speaker 2: you your story come out to preview the Big Twelve.
Speaker 7: It has not come out yet. My piece on Caleb
Speaker 7: Love will come out next week. I'm still doing some
Speaker 7: reporting for it, but excited to write it. Had a
Speaker 7: great conversation with him. I think he is such an
Speaker 7: interesting character in college basketball. He's had quite the journey
Speaker 7: and you know, no matter how deep arison it goes
Speaker 7: in the tournament, right the journey is going to be
Speaker 7: over soon. So just interesting to chat with him and
Speaker 7: hear his reflections on everything.
Speaker 3: Did you we don't get we didn't We don't get
Speaker 3: access like you did.
Speaker 2: You know throughout the year. You know how you know
Speaker 2: how it is, and we're jealous. I'll just tell you that.
Speaker 2: But but did you find out more about Caleb? You know,
Speaker 2: he's good, He's really good on good days, really mediocre
Speaker 2: on some days. And we're wondering why didn't he make
Speaker 2: the NBA last year or they didn't want him or whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm probably talking too fast here, but that's why he
Speaker 2: came back. Do you think he has a shot and
Speaker 2: and it's not up to him to that he has
Speaker 2: a shot, but what is his what are his deficiencies?
Speaker 4: If he's not.
Speaker 7: Well I think that his his issues have been like
Speaker 7: the same throughout college in terms of shot selection and inconsistency.
Speaker 7: But it was interesting because talking to him when I
Speaker 7: sat down with him, he told me that he thinks
Speaker 7: he's gotten so much better with shot selection, which I
Speaker 7: think everyone agree with. And then on top of that,
Speaker 7: he said, you know, as a freshman, like when a
Speaker 7: coach told me that was a bad shot, I wasn't.
Speaker 7: I didn't really want to hear that. He said, Now
Speaker 7: I can not only do I hear that and I
Speaker 7: understand it, but I can identify it myself. So we
Speaker 7: sat down right after the Utah game. He had played
Speaker 7: very well in that game, scored well, shot well, but
Speaker 7: he said he went back to his apartment that night,
Speaker 7: watched film that night and identified like five shots that
Speaker 7: He's like, I should not have taken that shot. I
Speaker 7: should have passed the ball. And I thought that that
Speaker 7: showed a lot of growth. There are so many opportunities
Speaker 7: to play professional basketball after college for men's players. I
Speaker 7: think he's going to get a shot, and it might
Speaker 7: similar to college, it might take him a while to
Speaker 7: find his footing. I wouldn't be shocked if he wound
Speaker 7: up on a G League roster, or he went overseas
Speaker 7: for a year or two to kind of find his
Speaker 7: professional legs. But I do think that he has learned
Speaker 7: a lot about perseverance over the course of his college career,
Speaker 7: and I think that that will serve him really well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tommy swears by him. It was funny we talked
Speaker 2: about this. Were you here for Senior Day Senior Week.
Speaker 2: I don't think that was when you were here. But
Speaker 2: when he talked about his son and Tommy Lloyd, it
Speaker 2: was like, Yeah, it's business as usual. Liam's with the
Speaker 2: team and blah blah blah, kill love. I love the kid.
Speaker 2: He's been through so much. It was like Love was
Speaker 2: his son and Liam he's over there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I definitely I get that vibe. It's interesting, like
Speaker 7: you guys, don't you guys are at the games all
Speaker 7: the time. But one thing that really has struck me
Speaker 7: throughout the year is because I watch Arizona on TV
Speaker 7: all the time, is the way that the broadcasters talk
Speaker 7: about how Tommy loves Caleb also, and I think that
Speaker 7: that's obvious, and I think that goes back to what
Speaker 7: we were saying about Tommy being a player coach, like
Speaker 7: guys just like to be around him. That's a huge
Speaker 7: part of why he has been such a successful international recruiter.
Speaker 7: I mean when you think about he would go into
Speaker 7: these countries where he didn't it's not like he knows
Speaker 7: a ton of people, but his ability to build relationships
Speaker 7: right away. And I definitely think that when Caleb came
Speaker 7: to Arizona from North Carolina, he was looking for that.
Speaker 7: You know, he was not he was I don't know
Speaker 7: that he was at rock bottom, but he was not
Speaker 7: in a great place. And so to be able to
Speaker 7: build that relationship. And what I'm really struck by when
Speaker 7: I've watched Caleb the last couple of years, and especially
Speaker 7: the second half of this season, is I think he
Speaker 7: looks like a little kid a lot when he plays.
Speaker 7: I mean that as a compliment, because he just has
Speaker 7: a smile on his face. He's playing with a lot
Speaker 7: of joy, and I think that that comes partially because
Speaker 7: of the system he's playing and then the coach he's
Speaker 7: playing for that there's just a level of comfort there.
Speaker 2: Did you so you knew Tommy as an assistant, right,
Speaker 2: so you spend some time with him was assistant. So
Speaker 2: do you notice any difference now that he's the head coach.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, it's so funny because one of my
Speaker 7: personal gripes when I watched basketball is I hate when
Speaker 7: assistant coaches stand up all the time. He needs to
Speaker 7: stand up all the time at Gonzaga, but now he
Speaker 7: gets to stand up all the time as the head coach.
Speaker 7: It's just a different vibe obviously because he's in charge.
Speaker 7: But I don't think his personality has changed at all.
Speaker 7: And I would say that both from like watching practice
Speaker 7: at Gonzaga and watching in Arizona, watching his sideline demeanor. Obviously,
Speaker 7: it's different when you're the person in charge, and I'm
Speaker 7: sure behind closed doors, you know, like when you are
Speaker 7: the guy that you're the last line of defense and
Speaker 7: you've got to be the decision maker. But I think
Speaker 7: that he is who he is. He's really authentic, and
Speaker 7: that's a big part of why he's had success as
Speaker 7: a head coach because he hasn't changed. I also think
Speaker 7: a lot about there's so many we can all think
Speaker 7: of examples of when a highly coveted assistant became a
Speaker 7: head coach and whatever that highly coveted assistant was known
Speaker 7: for when he was an assistant, he like stops doing
Speaker 7: that as a head coach, and that's not the case
Speaker 7: with Tommy. Like Tommy was a player's guy also as
Speaker 7: an assistant. And that's also the culture that they had
Speaker 7: at Gonzaga. You know, they talk a lot about culture
Speaker 7: and how tight knits they are, and so he's going
Speaker 7: to bring that and he's doing the exact same thing,
Speaker 7: maybe just with his own spin on it. But I
Speaker 7: think that is a big part of why he's been successful.
Speaker 7: And that's part of why you look on his bench
Speaker 7: and there these former Gonzaga guys there, you know, had
Speaker 7: like him, mccarnowski being a grad assistant. I mean, that's
Speaker 7: someone who was like a legend in college basketball and
Speaker 7: he played at Gonzaga. And Shim was telling me about
Speaker 7: how he wound up on Tommy's staff. That guys who
Speaker 7: had gone zagatizes to him want to come work with
Speaker 7: him again at Arizona. I think also speaks to like
Speaker 7: he's the same person.
Speaker 4: Right right.
Speaker 2: I wrote a story about to him two three years ago.
Speaker 2: I think it was when he first came on, I thought,
Speaker 2: and I told him to spread up. He was the
Speaker 2: perfect guy to replace Sean because he's that personable guy
Speaker 2: he'll wrap his arm around you and say everything's gonna
Speaker 2: be okay, be tough on you when he needs to be.
Speaker 2: And if you know Sean, I'm sure you've met him
Speaker 2: a few times giving your job.
Speaker 4: He was a tough dude. He was a tough dude.
Speaker 2: He was tough on his players, YadA YadA, and that
Speaker 2: transition needed somebody like Tommy to embrace the guys who stayed.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely well. And I joked with Brent Brennan, the
Speaker 7: Arizona football coach, who I've known forever because he was
Speaker 7: an Oregon State football assistant. Love love coach, b Love,
Speaker 7: his wife, his kids, known them all forever that when
Speaker 7: they hired him, I was like, Arizona has like the
Speaker 7: three coolest coaches in the biggest sports in men's basketball, Tommy,
Speaker 7: Brent Brennan with football, and of course Adia Barnes, who
Speaker 7: I've been friends with before she got into coaching at Arizona.
Speaker 7: So I think that the athletes there have it really good.
Speaker 7: You want, and I think, especially in this day and
Speaker 7: age of players getting paid and you know, into eligibility
Speaker 7: if you go to the transfer portal, you need head
Speaker 7: coaches that can relate to players that can talk to them,
Speaker 7: like have real conversations one on one. And I completely
Speaker 7: agree with you that that's the type of person Tommy is.
Speaker 7: And when you have that relationship, and Caleb and I
Speaker 7: talked about this, and you have that relationship, it's a
Speaker 7: lot easier than for them to give you some hard
Speaker 7: truths about your game, about your life, you know, because
Speaker 7: you know that they are invested in you.
Speaker 2: Right right, right, Well, lindsay, now, I'm assuming you're going
Speaker 2: to get to the tournament here in a couple of
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, right I am.
Speaker 7: I'm not. I'm not going anywhere for conference tournaments. I'm
Speaker 7: enjoying them all from my couch. But I'll be in
Speaker 7: Seattle for the first round. I really want Arizona to
Speaker 7: be there too, but I think they're going to go
Speaker 7: to Denver and then San Francisco the West Regional. So
Speaker 7: I'm excited. It's the best time of year, you guys,
Speaker 7: You guys know that you live and breathe it. We
Speaker 7: have we have the best jobs, and this is really
Speaker 7: when we know that. When we're sitting courtside, that's the
Speaker 7: best part, right. We have such good seats to all
Speaker 7: these great games, right now.
Speaker 4: We just look for the stories because they have to
Speaker 4: you know. We go for a reason and that's the
Speaker 4: stories too. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, well, thank you, Lindsay.
Speaker 2: I probably see you on the road at some point
Speaker 2: on the West.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 7: Alrighty, sound like a game plan.
Speaker 4: Thank you, appreciate it.
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Speaker 4: Well, welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Steve RIVERTA your Blake Eager good show today.
Speaker 4: We have ten minutes to screw it up. I can
Speaker 4: do that fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3: I am pretty sure if you give me ten minutes,
Speaker 3: I can screw up pretty much anything.
Speaker 2: I Hey, that was a great I thought she's great.
Speaker 2: You know, I was gonna call her a beat writer
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 6: Of A.
Speaker 2: Talked about Adia, talked about Brennan, talked about Tommy.
Speaker 3: A lot of similar qualities and all three of them. Right,
Speaker 3: We've talked about that both on air and off there,
Speaker 3: that they're just they seem like good people, good, good personalities,
Speaker 3: good human beings. Now they just got to coach and
Speaker 3: win some games. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see what happens
Speaker 3: here in the next few months. Tommy doesn't win a
Speaker 3: national championship, he's out of here.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 3: Some people think that, I know we were talking about
Speaker 3: he's got to know. Anything less than us sweet sixteen
Speaker 3: is not it's not worthy. Blah blah blah. Let them coach, man, coach.
Speaker 4: We'll see.
Speaker 3: We'll judge at the end of the year and see
Speaker 3: what happens. I do think that he's got to find
Speaker 3: some magic with these guys.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're looking at that roller coaster is starting
Speaker 3: to come back down. Yeah, I think you you got
Speaker 3: to tie up some defensive qualities. I think the exposure
Speaker 3: on us not being able to shoot the three ball
Speaker 3: last game, I mean they were just like, essentially just
Speaker 3: go shoot whatever you want. So I talk about this
Speaker 3: all the time. I'm sure the listeners are pretty tired
Speaker 3: of it. I think with you two, okay, give me
Speaker 3: the three three. Give me three things that are not good,
Speaker 3: and then we'll talk. I'll be the Elon Musk. Give
Speaker 3: me fine things you know you did last week, but
Speaker 3: three things that are the bads.
Speaker 4: And give me three things that are the goods.
Speaker 3: Bads right now, over the course of this last seven
Speaker 3: game stretch, I think defensive intensity you saw, you saw
Speaker 3: it a lot with Houston and we still lost that game,
Speaker 3: But that was you saw that. You saw it, and
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it again since. A guard rebounding I
Speaker 3: don't think.
Speaker 7: I don't think.
Speaker 3: I mean if especially if you look at last game again.
Speaker 3: I've said this on the air. I miss asu game
Speaker 3: and haven't gone back and watched it, so maybe my
Speaker 3: perspective changes a little bit. But our guards rebounding last game,
Speaker 3: I saw it weren't at the level that it needed
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then I'm going to say this and might be
Speaker 3: crazy looking for an extra pass. I think we've gotten
Speaker 3: complacent with some of our shots.
Speaker 4: Selection. You have three things that I didn't even have
Speaker 4: two of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'm completely wrong, and I'm okay with that,
Speaker 3: but those are the three things that stick out.
Speaker 4: It gives me five things now because they can't.
Speaker 3: Defend the three well, I think in defensive intensity is
Speaker 3: going to give you par so they're kind of umbrellas.
Speaker 3: Umbrellas that they can't shoot the three. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're absolutely, but we haven't been able to shoot three
Speaker 3: all years. Well, so going into the tournament, you're not
Speaker 3: gonna be able to change that. Mister Blake. That's one
Speaker 3: of the flowers that I'm listening. Okay, give it to you,
Speaker 3: So now give me the three that you like. They
Speaker 3: play unselfishly for you of eighteen even though you want
Speaker 3: more one want one more pass. I think shot selections
Speaker 3: at time is questionable, but I think they play unselfishly.
Speaker 3: Like you don't see Caleb at this point trying to
Speaker 3: take over as many games as you did early in
Speaker 3: the season or last season. Guys are stepping up at
Speaker 3: different roles. Any guy can go out there and be
Speaker 3: kind of the guy at the game of the game.
Speaker 4: I should say.
Speaker 3: You know one I didn't mention is I think you
Speaker 3: saw a much better version of Townsend last game. If
Speaker 3: we can get him staying in that it's going to
Speaker 3: be difficult. But if you can get him staying in
Speaker 3: that role and you can get ten quality minutes from him,
Speaker 3: I think we're much better.
Speaker 4: Without question. Here's the problem.
Speaker 3: I hate that word if because sure if, because he's
Speaker 3: had twenty some games and you got that one game,
Speaker 3: you think, oh there's hope. Okay, yeah, It's like looking
Speaker 3: at a ballplayer at the end of his career that
Speaker 3: gives you a little guy slight look into his past
Speaker 3: and you're like.
Speaker 4: He's still got it. The next game, you're like, he
Speaker 4: doesn't have it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, and and that's better to have it than
Speaker 3: not have it, right at least for one game. I
Speaker 3: think that needs to happen as well as is my
Speaker 3: X factor that is not happening with Delorso. Who can't
Speaker 3: who can't shoot enough to Tommy's liking and can't hit
Speaker 3: enough to his liking? Yeah, I mean, listen, he barely
Speaker 3: played the first half against Kansas. I think he hit
Speaker 3: that big three in the second half. Uh, he's too
Speaker 3: overwhelmed in these big games. Is it overwhelmed or is
Speaker 3: he just not? I mean, you can't ask the guy
Speaker 3: to put on more weight or muscle. He just got
Speaker 3: switched around. Well, that's it. He's over Martinez the same
Speaker 3: way when he gets on. I love Martinez has a
Speaker 3: great view of the court. I think from a view standpoint,
Speaker 3: he knows where the ball is and like one guy
Speaker 3: runs into him and it's like an oh poop moment.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Well, so those two tooth did you give
Speaker 3: me a third.
Speaker 4: That's the problem. That's the problem. There's not enough.
Speaker 3: Likes when you have five. Listen, I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 3: I think you have time. We have ten minutes raw
Speaker 3: this out. I think I think they have been pushing
Speaker 3: the ball a little bit, which is great to see
Speaker 3: that on an offensive slide where I think for a
Speaker 3: little bit it gets stagnant. So they are running a
Speaker 3: little bit more running and gunning. But okay, so now,
Speaker 3: guess what. You'll have to have an opponent that likes
Speaker 3: to run. If you don't have an opponent that doesn't
Speaker 3: like to run, guess what, you ain't gonna run. I
Speaker 3: like this more. I like this team more than it's
Speaker 3: coming off right now. By the way, Oh, I'm just kidding,
Speaker 3: but you're absolutely right. When I have to break down
Speaker 3: the positives and negatives outweigh it. But I still think
Speaker 3: this is a sweet sixteen, maybe an elite elite eight team.
Speaker 3: Holy mold, I know, and that sounds a little bit
Speaker 3: like a Homer. It just depends on who we are.
Speaker 3: I like our matchups. I've seen us. I mean, we
Speaker 3: get punched in the face, we punched back. We haven't
Speaker 3: found a way to win though, and that's kind of
Speaker 3: the scary.
Speaker 4: Thing for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you punch back sometimes, Yeah, I mean, what's the
Speaker 3: combined what's our combined score of our last five losses?
Speaker 4: But they're not without it. They're not big. They're not big.
Speaker 4: I mean I was stay Bluise out of the water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not big. And that's a never started team.
Speaker 3: They'll stay close the players.
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to poop poo Arizona because I
Speaker 2: agree with you. They can get to the sweet sixteen.
Speaker 2: Then who knows after that because confidence and matchups mean
Speaker 2: a lot. I just think that they're too inconsistent to
Speaker 2: hold out hope, like if if this happens, if this happens,
Speaker 2: if this happens, like I joke on the show, if
Speaker 2: I hit six ball balls on the super Ball super
Speaker 2: you know, the power Ball.
Speaker 3: No, I want you to keep it. It was nice,
Speaker 3: it was it was nice knowing you. Yeah, listen, here's
Speaker 3: a point to you. And you said this early on
Speaker 3: when we're talking about the X factor. This is probably
Speaker 3: a month ago or three weeks ago on the Steam
Speaker 3: and you said Bryant, Carter Bryant is kind of the
Speaker 3: X factor, right, And you're looking at this last stretch.
Speaker 3: Who hasn't played great Carter Bryant. And it's true, he's
Speaker 3: got to be on the floor, but he's got to
Speaker 3: find a way to score to be relevant. That's the
Speaker 3: whole thing though. This whole team is a great stew Yeah.
Speaker 3: When all when all the when all the flavors are working,
Speaker 3: they haven't been working. We got a call, Hello, you're
Speaker 3: on the air and on the ball.
Speaker 4: Who's this?
Speaker 5: Hey, Brennan's brick.
Speaker 4: How you doing, Rick? How are you? What's the word?
Speaker 6: Well, I'm just listening to you gentlemen chatting. But uh,
Speaker 6: this team here, and one of the things I think
Speaker 6: that I've noticed lately is like you ever driven a
Speaker 6: car where the air pressure and with some of the
Speaker 6: tires just isn't right in the same Yeah, And I
Speaker 6: feel like these guys. One guy's got a full air
Speaker 6: pressure thirty five psi and the other guys maybe at
Speaker 6: twenty seven. And when they're playing them, they're all having
Speaker 6: a balance. They are a hard team to beat. But
Speaker 6: the problem is maintaining the consistence tea and showing that
Speaker 6: up and down the court so they get on the
Speaker 6: safe go ahead.
Speaker 3: You have to get us on the same page. Okay, Rick,
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you, but don't don't you think
Speaker 3: that opponents.
Speaker 4: Play a part in that?
Speaker 2: And everybody was really happy, all giddy eleven and one look,
Speaker 2: they're blaming really well, we're gonna win this championship to
Speaker 2: play Houston for the first place lead, and then they
Speaker 2: get beat And then I said to people even before
Speaker 2: that game that the back end of this tournament, back
Speaker 2: end of this conference, tournament of comfort season is going
Speaker 2: to be a hell. It's going to be hell to
Speaker 2: pay because all the good teams are there. Guess what's
Speaker 2: up ahead, Rick, all good teams.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But here's something about tournaments, postseason tournaments, And I think
Speaker 6: Mouton had something, had sorted this philosophy. It was great
Speaker 6: if you win the tournament, but you don't want to
Speaker 6: burn out in the Big twelve tournament. And then when
Speaker 6: you get to Thursday, year Friday, the following week of
Speaker 6: a sudden, you're still dragging. And I think you want
Speaker 6: to play well, you want to put the best effort
Speaker 6: out there. But if you lose in the tournament, you know,
Speaker 6: the Big twelve tournament, now you're not is I say upset?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well, he upset it sure as go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well, he didn't even like the tournament. He didn't want
Speaker 2: any part of that tournament.
Speaker 6: No, because he felt like his teams were burning out well.
Speaker 2: And they already proved themselves over eighteen games. You know
Speaker 2: what else do we have to prove? We won the
Speaker 2: damn league? Why do we have to do it again?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 6: And now they're playing even more games, Yeah, which is
Speaker 6: going to be even more stressful on not just their
Speaker 6: owner but everybody playing. So it's it's going to be
Speaker 6: an interesting if they can all maintain their balance, they
Speaker 6: can control the opposition if they were all This isn't
Speaker 6: the same, This.
Speaker 2: Is super a second record this This show was being
Speaker 2: held in Lawrence, Kansas, And we're the host of the
Speaker 2: host of the show in Lawrence, Kansas, and we followed Kansas.
Speaker 2: Don't you think that if you called and said the
Speaker 2: same things about k you it fit.
Speaker 3: If this happens and we do, all the tires fit
Speaker 3: and all the pressures were fine, we'd be able to
Speaker 3: handle o their teams. Same in Houston, same in Iowa State.
Speaker 3: Everybody has this thought in this league because they're all
Speaker 3: kind of equal. But they're asking if this if that
Speaker 3: is that, if this tire this, this am I wrong?
Speaker 6: No, But I think overall, I think Arizona's talent is
Speaker 6: a lot better than people get them credit for it.
Speaker 6: And if they focus on what they do well and
Speaker 6: they control the pace of the game, and they can
Speaker 6: do that when they're all playing at the same pace,
Speaker 6: when they're all synchronized. Okay, I think this is as
Speaker 6: good as probably the top ten teams in the country
Speaker 6: when I play.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going on Amazon right now a Magic wand
Speaker 3: Magic one. How is it gonna cost me?
Speaker 4: Thanks? Careful, Thanks to be careful there to give you
Speaker 4: your card? I need your credit card?
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, Rick, you get a Magic wand, but it's
Speaker 3: not gonna be the one you were thinking.
Speaker 4: So do you understand what I'm saying? If this, Yeah,
Speaker 4: if this place.
Speaker 3: Was in Kansas or in Aames or whatever, because they're
Speaker 3: all capable right there, all talented, and they all have
Speaker 3: the same philosophy. If this and this with this, I
Speaker 3: just think and you we had a different conversation a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago about this about Big twelve tournament.
Speaker 3: I actually think our Big twelve tournament play is a
Speaker 3: little bit more important to you of A, and I
Speaker 3: keep saying us the uve A because the confidence side
Speaker 3: of it right now, So if they can go out
Speaker 3: there and get a revenge win against let's say Kansas,
Speaker 3: if they win tonight and then you move on and
Speaker 3: you're playing for a championship, I think that gets them
Speaker 3: back onto the right track a little bit.
Speaker 4: And let's let's just all.
Speaker 3: Be honest right now, Steve, Thank god we don't live
Speaker 3: in Lawrence, Kansas, right because have you ever been to Kansas?
Speaker 3: I've been to Lawrence a few times, I know, and
Speaker 3: it's it's brilliant cold. But I think you're right, And
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you as an athlete, and obviously
Speaker 3: I think the answer is what I think you're gonna say,
Speaker 3: is the confidence factor that's more than people know. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's true when you talk about the game's ninety percent
Speaker 3: mental on ten percent physical. When you're at the level
Speaker 3: they are at now, if they can get that confidence
Speaker 3: back as a group, it changes the whole perspective. Okay,
Speaker 3: So let me give you this scenario, because that's I
Speaker 3: go back to twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. I think it
Speaker 3: is Arizona's very up and down not so good, Sean
Speaker 3: Miller sayings, I'm not sure I can coach these guys.
Speaker 3: It's been a tough season with with Raleigh, with Trier
Speaker 3: and with Lauri market or was it eight and eight year? Okay,
Speaker 3: so they they ripped through the pack twelve tournament, beating
Speaker 3: people bad, junking over USC blah blah blah, and you
Speaker 3: think we're back, We're back, right, Oh god, these guys
Speaker 3: are playing out of their mind. Four days later, what happens? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you lose and that group never really fully melded together identity.
Speaker 3: But you do have three NBA players on your team
Speaker 3: and your roster in college, and I mean the year
Speaker 3: before you can talk about the same thing with market
Speaker 3: in right, I mean, how does market and not touch
Speaker 3: the ball in the last what eight minutes of a game?
Speaker 4: Past the sweet sixteen?
Speaker 2: You're exactly right, So how does that confidence go? That's
Speaker 2: why I don't believe in momentum. I have this three
Speaker 2: game roll. Okay, what does that mean?
Speaker 3: I agree with what you're saying, Steve, and I don't
Speaker 3: mean to cut you off. And we talk about this
Speaker 3: all the time. This team is built differently because they're
Speaker 3: not relying on a single player or two players to
Speaker 3: win the game. They're relying on a unit to win, right,
Speaker 3: So when we look back on that eight and Ralegh,
Speaker 3: Atkins and Trier, you're looking at one of those three
Speaker 3: players take over the game.
Speaker 4: Same same thing.
Speaker 3: Well, you're not with the love I mean, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't think you're I'm not the first fight. I'm
Speaker 3: looking for the first This is a fight.
Speaker 4: You have no idea about my past.
Speaker 3: We're in good shape, no, But I mean you're looking
Speaker 3: at this team as a full unit. You looked at
Speaker 3: last game Bradley took over for a little while. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're looking but this is a unit. And that's why
Speaker 3: I guess I'm a little bit more confident. And I
Speaker 3: do talk about momentum a lot. I know you hate that,
Speaker 3: but there is a sense of confidence that creates momentum
Speaker 3: when you step on the floor.
Speaker 2: And that's that's why there are two different words confidence
Speaker 2: and momentor two different things. But I do love the
Speaker 2: confidence stuff. By the way, I hope you're enjoying your
Speaker 2: last show ever.
Speaker 3: In this show, Yeah, it's weird because I keep saying
Speaker 3: I have a lot of momentum and people are like,
Speaker 3: what do you mean, I'm like, you know, like confidence,
Speaker 3: they're two different words. Last show. I got this fleet
Speaker 3: bud right in front of me. I will not use it,
Speaker 3: and I will make sure it's my last show.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 4: In mind too, we're going on.
Speaker 3: If I'm going down, you're going down to Yeah, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: So thanks for being here. You're not going to show
Speaker 3: up tomorrow. You have work to do, but really, you
Speaker 3: have a you have. I don't want to be I
Speaker 3: don't want to keep being an afterthought. I don't want
Speaker 3: to get a text like my buddy. You guys don't
Speaker 3: love me even call me to day before.
Speaker 2: Come on, dude, we can get That's why the show
Speaker 2: is what it is Forget names and things like that.
Speaker 4: What's your name again? Yeah, it doesn't matter. That's why
Speaker 4: I can't say Center in Arizona.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sports tourism film right exactly. I don't know what
Speaker 3: the hell up to side. Well, good to see you again.
Speaker 2: Of course we're gonna have Dave silver and tomorrow and
Speaker 2: then Jay on Friday.
Speaker 4: Get ready for tomorrow's game, right, get over there? Yeah? Whoever?
Speaker 4: Six thirty? I think six thirty. The calendar is five, yeah,
Speaker 4: five thirty. It might be Pacific time, right. Yeah, of
Speaker 4: course we're back on Pacific time, right Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I got a race to the to the house
Speaker 2: and once okay, okay, thanks again, thank you, see you
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure. Okay, thanks okay, thanks every much
Speaker 4: for everybody for calling in.