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Speaker 2: This is a cold open.
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Speaker 5: I worked.
Speaker 4: I worked seven to seven today and my brain is bush.
Cheers to a great show. Hey, I before I'll let
you tell me how right I am, let's welcome our guests.
We have Drew Crabtree, who covers our Higher State and
the Big Ten with us, as well as Andrew McCleary,
who covers Texas Tech at the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: So both other conferences are represented.
Speaker 4: And we had acc last week with Casey and so
now we've kind of hit the gamut. Sorry, G five,
we don't have a rep for you, all right. That's
maybe foreshadowing to my opinions later on in the show.
Speaker 2: So what's going on?
Speaker 1: Guys?
Speaker 2: How are we feeling feeling?
Speaker 6: Thanks for having us on.
Speaker 5: I feel great. It's it's it's great to be here
with you know, three other knuckleheads. I can't wait to
watch watch all four of us come together and point
fingers and yell and and just really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's gonna be I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not letting Craig do it. I'm not. I'm not
gonna let him do it.
Speaker 1: What would I do? Andrew? Andrew? Let me help you?
Because it's all good, brother. We've got a Texas school
We've got to.
Speaker 5: Texas schools, schools, two Texas schools.
Speaker 4: That's right, right, right, all right, Craig, that's a that's ah,
that's good. But I don't want to get too far
down the road without you, without you talking about how you.
Speaker 1: All right? I owe it to Dan Lanning even though
he almost choked against mid game James Franklin and Penn State.
I am that worthy.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry you said his name incorrectly. It's twenty twenty
four Big Champion Dan Lanning, and that's what we've been
calling him since last season right here on this show.
Speaker 1: How hard? How hard is it? The Big Tennis? The
Pack twelve? Guy can win it? Who didn't? Who couldn't
even win the Pac twelve.
Speaker 6: I'm just sorry, Pop Pop Polk, No Organs. That's a
ridiculous team. Like I've I've got no I've got nothing
bad to say. Dan Lanning and he's got that team.
Speaker 5: Humming and bad things to say.
Speaker 6: You know, so Knight's got that team humming too, But
no that that that game was so much fun to watch.
I did tweet out when Penn State made it. Then
they got the ball back with less than two minutes
to go down a score. I'm like, I'm not going
to get my hopes up because i know this is
this is James Franklin in a big game. And then
Drew Aller throws that god awful interception. So now that
that Oregon team is good.
Speaker 1: All right, So the Heisman guy has a question. I
sort of put it out there last week in my
Heisman article because of Dylan Gabriel being on the Ducks undefeated. Yeah,
so this is what I'm asking though, Beyond the inflight
is their offset potential?
Speaker 5: Because no, no, no, go ahead and no go ahead, Robin,
I seem to be in step on it.
Speaker 2: No, you have.
Speaker 5: You have a unicorn of a player in Travis Huder,
you know, excelling at the highest levels in two different positions.
You have the best running back college football scene in
at least a decade, absolutely trucking folks for an entire season.
You know, when when you are in the same breath
as Barry Sanders. From a single season record standpoint, you know,
there is there is no those two in itself stand
apart from everybody else, like Dylan Gabriel's had a great season,
you know, and too you know, ring the big twelve
bell like Cam Scattabo probably deserves an invite. I think
I agree. But yeah, there's just there's nobody else between
those two. Like you could have a pretty pretty close
three man competition in the second tier down, but those
top two, they stand apart. There's nothing, there's no there's
no upset potential.
Speaker 1: There The only reason I was thinking about that, Like
you sometimes think about teammates that are on the same
team splitting votes and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Well, Derek has split votes with Travis Hunter, for sure.
I don't think it's enough.
Speaker 5: I think Travis un.
Speaker 4: I think Travis Hunt is gonna win. I would vote
for a gent if I had.
Speaker 1: A but same Yeah, so I would vote for Travis.
I'm a big twelve guy. There you go, see, Andrew,
I'm coming across. I'm coming across. I'm building a bridge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, just got just to rip it down from
under my kick you out. He's going to rip it
out God right from under my feet while I'm talking
to him. No, she do or might take a couple
of votes away, but I doubt it.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I feel like Travis and Ashton
are just gonna lot kind of like I guess the
only reason I'm talking about splitting boats.
Speaker 2: Is like, take what four or five people?
Speaker 1: Five?
Speaker 5: Listen, typically they take five.
Speaker 1: Ye, there's gonna be five. It comes out to Monday,
they'll announce the five candidates. But I think what's what's
interesting and what I've seen for like the last four
or five weeks in our own writers poll is Travis
and Ashton are basically splitting those one two boats. So
like that gap is so big that that was that
was my only thought with like Dylan gegirl, like does
those who splitting? Is there a possibility? To me? He's
the only one that could possibly do it? But I again,
I don't see it.
Speaker 4: All Right, let's zoom back because now we really need
to get into the meat of our discussion. We're going
to react to the games at the end, So we
have a few big picture questions that we want to
get into before we get to the actual games that
we just watched.
Speaker 2: This weekend, but the first. But Craig, you inspired.
Speaker 5: Me with that.
Speaker 1: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Should we wait until after the playoffs to do this Heisman?
Speaker 5: Crap?
Speaker 1: No, it's wait. Did you just call the Heisman something
I've been covering all season?
Speaker 2: Crap I called? I called the voting I called the
voting process.
Speaker 1: Like bugs, bunny exploding cigars.
Speaker 4: Do you know how many of these fools aren't watching?
And don't don't give a crap what we're looking at?
That are those There's a couple of fools voting before
conference championship games are being played.
Speaker 6: That's mine. That's my point with a lot of these awards,
especially the Heisman. You're giving this is the pinnacle of
individual awards in college football and honestly college sports in general.
And you're going to vote before these players play for
their conference and then obviously for a spot in the
college football playoff? Why would you vote beforehand?
Speaker 5: Like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Understand you canceling out Travis Hunter? Then? Because because here's
the deal. If because is the Heisman regular season? Because
to follow that logic, Travis Hunter, his book is complete.
He didn't compete in the conference championship, He's not in
the College Football Playoff. He may go to a bowl game,
but let's be honest, he probably won't. But like, so
when do you, like, like when did when do you
stop it? Because I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm
actually bringing up a like a valid question. I'm not
actually poking the bear for ONCET.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's a It's a very good question because
you know, obviously all the other polls and all the
the other awards and the All American and so on
and so forth, they only take into consideration the regular season.
But I would say that for like the biggest award,
that is the Heisman, you do want you want to
take in consideration. You know, whether or not they led
their team to a conference obviously not, you know, not
everything is made equal because you know Jade and Daniels
definitely did not win the then he didn't win the
SEC last year, but he had a ridiculous year. But
these players stepping up on the biggest stage, is you
want to take that into consideration. I mean, I understand
the rate, he's an aspect of it because it levels
the playing field for the most part. But for me,
I would definitely if I was a voter, I would
wait until after the conference championship.
Speaker 1: So would you both agree though, that you need clear
criteria to make sure that you're making the most important decision?
Speaker 4: Now, what is the criteria? Should we just change it
from week to week player to player? I think we
should evaluate Travis Hunter on one set of criteria and
ask gent on a different set, and then maybe Dvilan
Gabriel on the third set.
Speaker 2: That seems to be how we put teams in the playoffs,
so we.
Speaker 5: Might that that that seems to be how we've rearranged
college football to take. I'm gonna take my ball and
go play my game. You're gonna take your ball and
go play your game. And then I'm gonna tell you
how your game is wrong. And then I'm gonna tell
you how your game is wrong, and then we're gonna
fight some more.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much how it goes.
Speaker 4: Okay, So while we're talking about college college or sorry,
conference championship games, let's talk about that.
Speaker 5: What's the role of the championship games?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 2: So we we just watched all of our leagues finish up.
Speaker 4: We now have champions I understand what the what the
defined role of the of the championship games is as
it stands now, but we know, like all this is
a moving target, we're gonna get all this redefined moving forward.
So in your opinions, what should be the role of
these conference smanship games? What impact should they play?
Speaker 5: I mean, just like with all of this, it's going
to start with the money. Your athletic directors do not
want to give up these games because it's it's money,
plain and simple. Like they showed up. I don't think
they're ever going away. So that that's where it's going
to start and end. The conversation is with the money factor,
and the fact is these conference championships bring in money now.
Attendance at these games was noticeably different. There's plenty of
screen shots floating around on social media that you know,
maybe the crowds were not as jazz, but I'm going
to tell you right now, like Penn State and Oregon,
both two teams who were locked in to a playoff spot,
showed out in that conference title game. Obviously SMU Clemson
showed out. Georgia Texas showed out, Like you know, they
were different flavor, but you could tell nobody took it.
Nobody took it lightly. No one was just kind of
shown a Vanila game plan like they were they were
trying to win. Now, I understand the stakes of not
having to play another playoff game are real, but I
think they're going to stick around. I don't think. I
don't think they're ever going to go away.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: They might not get you a first round by in
two years, but they're they're not going anywhere.
Speaker 6: I think if if SMU had missed the cutoff, if
they were if they were left at home, I think
there would be a real conversation. Obviously, the moneymaker is
still going to rule the day, but if there is
a tangible risk of you know, my team is locked in,
but if they lose the call, if they lose their
conference title game, then they might not be locked in.
But at the same time.
Speaker 1: You know, the the.
Speaker 6: Wherewithal the fact that you have the confidence that you're
already locked in, you can take risks like what Kirby Smart,
you know, said with that fake punt. He's like, we're
locked in regardless, I'm gonna take a chance. Why not
And then obviously paid off and then they've got the
two seed. But yeah, no conference championships. I think a
lot of it is. It's still going to be like that,
that tradition of we won our conference and then obviously
the money maker. But when we get to a point,
and I think it's probably going to be within the
next few years, because I feel like they're they're going
to tinker and they're going to continue to tinker until
we get the perfect setup, which will never happen, but
they're going to continue to tinker. It will probably go
more towards a m you know, you qualify for the playoff,
but you won't get that that buy or if they
move to the sixteen team, you'll qualify for the playoff
and it will help your seating a little bit. But yeah,
it's it feels like it's still it still does kind
of feel like that they are, you know, just like
cool exhibition games. Now obviously I can speak to the
Big Ten title game because they're their audience. Participation was
a little bit down because a few overly zealous individuals
decided to buy up all of the tickets and then
they had, yeah, you know, they craft the bed against
a bad Michigan team, and all those people were you know,
without a up a creek, without a paddle, trying to
sell off their tickets for ten dollars plus obviously the
cross country aspect of it.
Speaker 1: But but I also think, like because we got this
question less than our chat, you know, like, hey, is
this right? Is this wrong? It was one of many
hornets and mess that we debated which would be fun
to bring out, and it was all safe. No one
was getting put on the list or in time out yet.
But if I look at conference championships in an era
where the Big twelve has thirty five teams, now, is
that right? Andrew eighteen, yes, eighteen, Big ten has eighteen,
SEC has sixteen.
Speaker 5: Big twelve at sixteen.
Speaker 1: Acc no one really worries about there, like in California
or something.
Speaker 6: All coast conference, right, the all coasts right?
Speaker 1: But but like, here's the deal. One of the things
I did love again being a Big twelve guy, as
I say, is you head up until the last week,
you had like nineteen in diligible for the for the playoff,
which I think is great, right, like or for that
that conference championship, And I think it, I think it
that that equates to be importance of conference champions because
everyone wants to hang a banner in their practice facility
in their stadium hate we were conference champions. Even Old
Miss has done it as a co conference champion, though
they've never played in Atlanta. But what the role is
is it brings finality to the season, and in the
era of these massively two big conferences, it does today.
These are the top teams. They may not be the
best teams, see the team that won in Charlotte last night,
but these are the top teams in the conference. So
they should get some sort of special treatment, some sort
of preference when we go to whatever that playoff one
that looks.
Speaker 4: Like I think it shows progress as well. And I
kind of chot in last night and said that I
think that tradition is important, and I think that having
something to hang your hat on for these players. For example, Yeah,
Arizona State goes out in the first round or even
in the second round, you know, and I think, by right,
you know what I mean, in their first game, they
still have this Commerence championship to hang their hats on.
They still have this Commerence championship to point to in
twenty years. Yeah, they're going to have a ring, Their
names are going to be remembered, their team's going to
be honored. Uh, they're going to be able to talk
about winning this game and it's going to be a
part of their experience because I mean, how many of
those guys are going to be NFL NFL guys. I mean,
this could be the end of the road for most
people on the roster and they don't play football again.
They move on with their lives. You know, for everybody,
football ends at some point. And so what do you
what accomplishments are we really talking about at the end
of the day. I was I was in a team
meeting for a high school team this week for a
play a semi final playoff game, and that was the message.
Speaker 2: You know, how many people in the room are never going.
Speaker 4: To play football again if you go out and you
and you don't win this football game. And so I
think this is the same thing for conference championships. But
ultimately I think it shows progress. Think about Dealingham, We'll
stick there. Are you telling me that it doesn't mean
something for that program to be able to say we
won a conference championship and that is a major stepping
stone to where we want to go. Everybody's goal is
in the national championship, right Why wouldn't it be? But
you can't just jump from its sub five hundred to
national championship in a year theoretically, right, Well, they didn't
win it, now, did they, Craig, They did not not
even close. They should They shouldn't have been there, right anyway,
that's a whole other argument. But I think that I
think that it's just a mild marker, and I think
that's why it's important.
Speaker 2: I don't think we should be rid of it.
Speaker 4: But you know, to Drew Andrews's points, the money is
what really talks, right, and so that's what's going to
hold it in place, all right. I mean, moving from
that piece, let's look at what happens with the conference
champions because right now they have automatic buys for four
out of the five. Should they, in your opinion, have
a auto buys or auto bids moving forward?
Speaker 2: Because we're going to get to restructure.
Speaker 7: This thing soon.
Speaker 4: And I'll just I'll just throw it out there. I
don't think they should have automatic bie weeks. They should
just get into the field thoughts, gentlemen around the table.
Speaker 5: I'll see you up. I'll see it up to Drew first.
Speaker 6: No, I'm right there with you. I think automatic bids
is the best route and then re then seating everything
like March madness. Because as much as I love seeing
Boise State with a three next to them or Arizona
State with a four next to them, as much as
I like to see that as a you know, just
general fan of college football, I'm not entirely certain that
the third and fourth best teams in the country.
Speaker 1: It's not real nine to twelve according to the committee's rankings,
or State is number nine, Arizona State is twelve.
Speaker 6: Right, and then Clemson sixteen or something like that. It
should definitely be something like that. Yeah, it should be.
It should definitely. I'm fine with giving him automatic bids
because you won your conference, you are not a part
of one of the three lesser conferences, and you know,
Ohio probably should have made it, but.
Speaker 5: You know, we respect in this space exactly.
Speaker 1: He was not talking about Brady Oaks Ohio, that Ohio, the.
Speaker 8: Other Ohio, the proper Ohio, the but they.
Speaker 6: Definitely should look at that. Obviously this year, that would
benefit Notre Dame, who lost the Northern Illinois and obviously
does not have that conference title conference title. So it'd
be interesting if they tried to put that kind of
criteria over them and cap them at five. But automatic
buys just taste funny because it makes it look like
Penn State. If they ever get over their big, big
game nonsense, they are gonna or could if they ever did,
they would have a pretty good path to the finals.
Speaker 5: Honestly, So, I would like to remind the three of you,
which I'm sure you guys remember this, but anybody listening,
our current format was set up by Notre Dame's ethic director,
mister Sanki himself, who was complaining about, you know, not
being respected, which is ludicrous. But that's a steparate discussion.
As terms of the playoff formatting. I actually like the buys.
And here's why we just spent the last however many
years in the fourteen world complaining about the first round matchups. Oh,
they're just they're blowouts. They're blowouts, the blowouts. That's all
we get, blowouts in the first round, right, Okay, Well,
if we take number nine and number twelve and we've
automatically given them a buy to the next round. Now,
in theory, this television product, which we all believe is
the goal here, we're trying to maximize a television product.
Their goals. I understand. No, no, no, no, you are
telling me the committee is doing this. The committee doesn't care.
The folks who put mini care. The committee does not care.
The folks who put this bracket together want to orchestrate
the best television product. So now we have that, okay
in theory. Now we're still probably gonna get a lot
of blowouts. I mean, it's just gonna happen when you play. Yeah,
when you play eleven games, not all of them are
gonna be close. But when you have eleven games and
nine of them are close as opposed to three of
the games and two of them are blowouts, the two
blowouts get left in the dust there. So I'm fine
with it. I also think it it emphasizes each conference
in a way that doesn't make the rest of the
sport feel like it's just a two conference league running everything,
even though we all know they have the most power
and influence. This for lack of you know, lack of
better terms, this puts respect on all of for the ACC,
for the Big twelve, and even the G five. Like
the G five, as fans of the sport, we have
been clamoring for them to get a shot at the
big boys, and now they're rightfully at the table getting
a shot with the big boys. As a matter of fact,
I'm willing to say, if you're not a fan of
any of these schools, you're probably rooting for Boise State
to win the whole thing because you just want to
see it blow up in everybody's face. So I'm good
with the first round bias here for your conference champions.
I know it's convoluted, it's messy. I've been trying to
explain it to my oldest son for like two straight
weeks now and he still doesn't fully understand it.
Speaker 1: So can you explain to me?
Speaker 2: Can you show just show him.
Speaker 4: Show him one of those Reese Davis tutorial videos they
have for overtime or the playoff, playoff.
Speaker 5: Wart dude, We've tried, We've done.
Speaker 2: They bring them out over and over again.
Speaker 9: Yes, So it's like, like, like whatever it is, I
think ni L the transfer portal we've talked about this
kind of.
Speaker 1: Throughout the year has closed the gap. Mm hm, big
ten sec. They're still be honest, there's still a gap,
but the gap is a lot smaller, and that G
five Big twelve acc is a lot closer. My biggest thing,
My biggest issue is forty one percent, actually forty one
point sixty seven percent, if you want to get the
math correct, of those spots are already locked in my
conference champions. Do we need five? Five seems too many?
If if we're going to stay at twelve and Rob,
I'm kind of I know one jumping ahead a little
bit in the agenda, but like I'm bringing these two
ideas together. Yeah, if we want to make it up, sorry,
now go ahead.
Speaker 4: I think first of all, giving automatic bye weeks to
finish off that conversation with Andrew.
Speaker 1: I was going to finish the conversation. Then you writ
me off, so rude.
Speaker 4: I'm not buying a sick or Now, well, you know
you you send We talk about the agenda, and you say,
you know what, Rob.
Speaker 2: You're the host, run the show, and here you are
doling out questions.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm I'm I'm weaving the tangled web.
Speaker 4: Look, if we're going to give buys to give us
a better TV product, then we have.
Speaker 2: Totally sold out on putting together a fair tournament.
Speaker 5: And I completely disagree. I don't disagree with you on
that statement at all, that none whatsoever we are in
sync there, but it's the decision makers to be have
made it clear to everybody they want to create a
fascinating television product. That's what they're that's what they're looking
for here.
Speaker 2: You just said you're okay with it. I'm not okay
with it.
Speaker 1: I don't want up the fascinating television products.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the committee, Craig, nobody limits the committee
off limits in this discussion.
Speaker 1: Andrew brought up the committee.
Speaker 4: I'm going to just they are the root of all
evil and the problem with this whole situation.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Okay, anyway, going back to my thought,
because I was so, the.
Speaker 2: G five doesn't deserve to get get automatically in.
Speaker 1: We need there champions.
Speaker 5: You're just gonna invite an anti law an anti trust
lawsuit if you G five like that.
Speaker 4: Okay, So just so then we then were just shopping
at the four, because boys, you would have gotten in
this year with.
Speaker 1: Four right right, accoud been left a would have only
gotten one.
Speaker 5: Way.
Speaker 2: Oh god, they're not here to defend themselves.
Speaker 1: But but here's the deal. Auto bids work. Just go four.
Speaker 5: I'm totally on board with four.
Speaker 1: Go to four because that's fine what you have. Let's
be honest. This was a comment that got some folks angry.
You have the big two and you have everyone else.
Let the everyone else fight for those two now. More
often than not, I believe in Brett or Mark. You
have heard me say that a number of times. Andrew,
I believe he will set them, set the Big twelve
up in position, or more often not, they will get it.
Jim Phillips is driving the Titanic dright into the iceberg
with the acc and that is why the Mountain West
soon to be the Pac twelve or whatever the heck
they're going to call it. We'll take that fourth spot,
but stop with five.
Speaker 6: Four.
Speaker 4: I'm good with four. Two no, no, no, no no, I'm good
with four and sixteen as well. I think that that
those numbers are so much cleaner. It makes no sense
to me. There's no math here, right, Were's not supposed
to do math on this on the show. That's what
we said said last week, like, I don't know, yeah exactly, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in either case, with twelve or sixteen.
Speaker 5: We had five powerful We had five power conferences when
they had five. So it made sense. That's it, that's it.
Speaker 2: It made sense at the time.
Speaker 6: So yeah, announced the initial twelve team, didn't they say
six conference champions or something?
Speaker 5: Yes? Now, yes, and then they reduced it when the
PAC twelve broke, So yes, the idea was to get
all all of the P five conferences and then still
have the at large bid for the G five. So right.
Speaker 1: So so here's my question, and maybe this is a
director to Tony. If we just start calling it the
Power three, would Jim Phillips actually fight his way out
of the wet paper bag to try to like get
himself into the power flour or would he just be in.
Speaker 5: Like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: You would say whatever his scriptwriter wrote, right.
Speaker 5: And still Butcher that the problem is your mark. As
much as the Big twelve is seems very confident in
him as a commissioner, there is still a mountain to
climb to get in the same brick as the Big
ten the SEC from a resources standpoint, because those numbers
are just going to exponentially grow annually. So yes, it
sounds great, I will always stop for the Big twelve
no matter what. But reality says they still have a
long way to go to get anywhere close to being
locked in the same group as those two when it
comes to resources, power and influence.
Speaker 6: Losing parents in Oklahoma really really hurt and then obviously
cannibalizing what they could from the Pac twelve. But yeah, no,
I think eventually, I think eventually they'll they'll garner that respect,
and especially if Arizona State ends up moving on this year,
they'll definitely garner that respect because I feel like this
year they were behind the eight ball at all times.
It felt like it was BYU's you know, party, and
then they trip down the stretch and then everyone's just
like the Big twelve is just there.
Speaker 1: It was tough though. It's like Bay who was like
going so quick, they stumble quick and it's like, gone, well.
Speaker 5: This goes back.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 4: The argument that preseason rankings control everything, which is a
load of crap because it all matters where you start
and how quickly you can climb where you're going to
end up. So with somebody like Arizona State who's picked
at the bottom of the league, it took them so
long to climb they literally had to win it.
Speaker 5: There's no other way.
Speaker 4: They're not gonna They're not gonna climb their way in
even if eye tests and strength to schedule and other
metrics had been in their favor.
Speaker 6: Yep, that lost of Texas Tech wasn't wasn't pretty. But
then obviously the loss to Cincinnati who but they also
didn't have.
Speaker 5: The starting quarterback. Yeah, you could try to excuse that
one away, and.
Speaker 4: You can try, but they don't. The committee doesn't like
that argument this year.
Speaker 5: Now, and that's the that's I know, we're not talking
about the committee because the personnel change on the committee.
We have to make sure we don't hold historical decisions
from the committee on very long because there's turnover in
that room every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's okay.
Speaker 2: So are we good with four?
Speaker 1: Audi?
Speaker 2: Were good with four out of its? Everybody agree that
Drew I.
Speaker 6: Can live with it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fine, that's fine. I got no problem.
Speaker 1: I would I would.
Speaker 6: I always always stump for more group of five. But
I do understand that there are there are definitely some
years that the group of five is nowhere close, Like
we got lucky this year with Boise State, you know,
in Ashton genty and you know they still have a
strength of schedule like eighty something, Like what are they
going to do in the second round game, it will
still be fun. But yeah, no, even if we got
a twelve and thirteen and oer mac teams and SMU,
they'll be fine. One's gonna lose.
Speaker 1: Okay, So quick question for Andrew, mm hmm, I think
Oklahoma and Nebraska want to redo that? Would that help
elevate the Big twelve status?
Speaker 5: Again? It probably would. I don't think Nebraska truly wants
to redo. They're just like Oklahoma. You know, both of
them are Woody Harrelson from zombie Land, just wiping their
tears away with all of their money. So while yes,
they Nebraska especially has been living in college football purgatory
for decades now, and Oklahoma went from being a big
fish in a little pond to a average slass fish
in a much bigger pond. Uh, they're not average.
Speaker 1: You're nicer than I am.
Speaker 10: They'll be fine. Yeah, they'll be fine. Yeah, they'll be okay, No,
they want They're going to be fine. They have a
good defense. They have a really good defense. And you
know how easy it is. I'm gonna the old J. C.
Speaker 4: Sherbert words again, how easy it is to recruit offense
to Norman.
Speaker 1: Give me a break, I looked at it at Oklahoma's
offense this year, and it looks like it's difficult.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, do you know how easy it is
to pick that though?
Speaker 4: Just look at what they just look at them historically,
like that's a that's teed up to recruit offense over there,
just walking through all the Heisman trophies in the case.
Speaker 1: Seth Latrell should have worked the air raids should work
at Oklahoma. But that was that's not what.
Speaker 2: That's not what. That's not what Jackson Arnold was recruited
to do.
Speaker 1: And why do we fire youself?
Speaker 4: That's that's that's not his skill set because hired a
guy when Levy left another levee like like guy he
did it. He hired a different type of guy. It
was the wrong move. You get three quarters of the
way into the year and go, oh crap, this doesn't
match the personnel, see you, and now the portal blows
it up and they lose your personnel anyway, so.
Speaker 2: You just hit the reset button.
Speaker 1: Great, okay, all right, so.
Speaker 4: Four autobids, let's go of the let's go to the
next the next checkbox here twelve or sixteen.
Speaker 8: Sixteen, Drew, I would be fine with sixteen. I I
don't mind twelve, but I'm fine with sixteen, just so
that it really levels the playing field.
Speaker 1: How much more? How much more? How many more games count? Now?
Think about it that way, like, like how many.
Speaker 2: Now we're going to be debating four lost teams?
Speaker 6: Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: Who cares well Alabama finally gets in, then miss might
finally get in. Then maybe Andrew. And Andrew is going
to take the volunteer for that that copboard show. He's
going to take that job. He's going to send him
to Oxford, and Robin Craig gonna be stuck at home.
Speaker 2: I don't like he's about the second one.
Speaker 7: Twelve.
Speaker 5: I can no, no, no, I don't. I don't think.
So I really thought about this that like sixteen seems inevitable.
So I've been trying to like get there, and I
want to make a compelling argument for twelve. But the
fact is, like there's not much difference between twelve and sixteen,
because so we go down to sixteen this year. So
what you take the three SEC teams in Miami is
what you just added, So like, yeah, you just got
a lot more compelling games, you know, Miami.
Speaker 4: You had three national title contenders in Miami. Though, if
you add if you add those four teams in.
Speaker 5: Now, I'm pretty sure when you lose to Kentucky, Bandy,
Ole Miss and you still find a way to accumulate
three more losses. And so we had nine losses between
three teams. Like you know whatever, I'm not I'm not
here to debate Rob on the SEC merits. But Miami
would be the perfect chaos agent for a playoff because
they could they could truly outscore anybody in a single game.
So your national title favorite in a given year runs
into a Miami and you get a sixty three to
sixty game, and Miami just happens to win because they
get the last possession. So sixteen's fine. I don't think
it's much different than twelve. So that's fine with me.
And we'll still have the same debate between fifteen, sixteen
and seventeen and that's fine too. Just like I am
now for old Miss South Carolina, Miami, Bama. I'm not
going to lose sleepover the fact that you let yourself
get into this position. But that's just how I feel
about it. You know, if SMU would have been left out,
I personally would have felt like there would have been
like I would have felt it would have wrong. Smu
and Drew made a good point that now we've thrown
conference championship games into jeopardy, but I still would have
fallen ultimately on the side of like, well, don't don't
lose to Crimson. I'm saying lost three games and you
lost to them, you know, so I wouldn't fine with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And to be fair with both Alabama and Oldness,
even though I do feel how VAMA should be in
don't lose to Oklahoma, don't lose to Bandy, don't love
to Kentucky. It's you know, and that's why we can
have the mate. It sucks, right, but it's like, don't make.
Speaker 5: It right, don't put yourself in position with no doubt
a right.
Speaker 4: So what if you don't put yourself in position and
the and the refs make incredibly naturally recognized terrible calls
and don't have your starting quarterback for half the game?
Speaker 5: All right? Well, so first off, that what happens in
that case, if memory serves me correct, that call happened
in what the second quarter, the first quarter? Maybe the
pick six?
Speaker 2: There was two pick six. There was two pick sixes that.
Speaker 5: Were wiped off the board.
Speaker 2: Actually one for a they called it unsports like conduct.
Speaker 4: They didn't even call it a blind side block, which
was ridiculed, which was ridiculous.
Speaker 5: That was that was.
Speaker 4: In the third That one was in the third quarter.
The call that the call that most people don't talk
about in that game. They we're talking about South Caroline
LSU for anybody who didn't pick it up. That is
absolutely atrocious. Is on South Carolina has a chance to
ice the game late in the fourth quarter if they
get a first down and they and Robbie Ashford throws
a forty yard pass that's complete to Delvon Campbell, and
they called it offensive PI on a receiver that's running
in space with no defenders anywhere near him.
Speaker 2: And the the.
Speaker 4: The analysts, the rules expert, everybody comes on the air
and goes, we have no idea what they're talking about.
This doesn't exist. We've looked at it everywhere every way
that you can. So there was there was more than one.
It was more than the two pick sixes that they
wiped off the board.
Speaker 5: You're right.
Speaker 4: It was the ice the game, and it was no
starting quarterback in the second half.
Speaker 5: That's fine.
Speaker 2: In that case, you don't control it.
Speaker 5: I understand that what you did control was not putting
away Alabama when you are so uh that's her again,
So like yes, and that's and that's the thing is,
if you have won maybe two games in this current format,
those can be you know, you're in position to not
really be touched. Essentially, you're not really on the cut line.
Miami obviously got cut with two losses, but in a
case nothing to stand on exactly, so it's pretty clear cut.
But yeah, once you get past two, there's there's gonna
be one in there that's you don't really have a
defense for.
Speaker 4: So unless we got to sixteen and then it's gonna
have to get past three, right, well, then it's three
and four.
Speaker 1: So quick question. Georgia loses an overtime, they're still in.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean the one, well, yeah, they want
to beat Texas. Yeah, they're in.
Speaker 1: You're I'm saying, I'm saying if they lost to Georgia,
the three losses.
Speaker 6: Yeah they still be. One of those losses was avenged
by beating Texas the first time around.
Speaker 5: So exactly was Yeah, I think they still probably would
have been.
Speaker 2: Made the statement.
Speaker 4: They made the statement that they weren't going to punish
commerce champion losers, although they dropped un l V four spots.
Speaker 10: It did.
Speaker 6: I think it just meant about in the playoff, not
just in general.
Speaker 4: Well, again again, the consistent the consistency factor is not
really here.
Speaker 1: So question for drew U n l V better than Purdue.
Speaker 6: Football wiser job wise, but I think they would. I
think they would be Purdue pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but the resources, yeah, resources, Big Ten resources,
what you're going to.
Speaker 1: Do well, the thing is good.
Speaker 6: Sorry, but like you know, going to Purdue, which you
know obviously you know you're alluding to the bury odom.
Jumping to Purdue, you you don't have expectations. You feel
the team. If you make a bowl game, they will
build you a statue like that. That's the thing about
Purdue is it's it's it is the bottom of the
wrong in the Big Ten, and like they'll run into
a big win every now and then. If you know,
if urban Meyer decides to come back to coaching, they'll
end up beating him by four scores or something like that.
But I think the job wise is probably better good
for him to get back into the power for game
after the after fizzling out with Missouri. But yeah, no,
I think I think it's it's good for him and
good for Purdue. I like, but what he was doing
over there with UNLV, you know, nineteen wins over the
last two years.
Speaker 1: The interestancy of Marion comes both of them. Yeah, because
because I think that's gonna that's gonna be key, Like
what's that does he look like? For whatever? Gram Harrell
run message board, you know whatever. Graham Harold did not work.
Brian Walters did that work. And the interesting part is,
like Walters is a very olden disciple, so it's like
there's some alignment there, so that will be interesting.
Speaker 4: All right, Let's move to our reactions to the college
football Playoff. As we now know that it sits locked
in place Oregon one, Georgia two, Boise State three, and
Arizona State at four. There's not much we can say
about those unless we want to make an argument about
the seating order with three and four. But so let's
go to the games that we're actually gonna see in
a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Craig has the lines for us.
Speaker 4: And then we'll kind of give some we'll kind of
open it up to give instant reactions to what's the
what are the most compelling games, what's grabbing your attention?
What do you like or not like about these lines.
I'll just make an overarching statement before he gives them.
None of them are under a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Friday night we have number ten Indiana versus number
seven in Notre Dame in South ben Notre Dame is
giving eight points. The winner of that will face Georgia. Saturday,
we have a triple header, big noon kickoff, so no
white out.
Speaker 5: So they are doing they are doing what they are.
Speaker 8: Yea.
Speaker 5: They sure are wide out unlocked right, yeah, great, maybe
it'll snow.
Speaker 2: I don't know who locked it up.
Speaker 1: Number eleven s m U is going to number six
Pence State. Somehow Penn State is favored by it in
the half hammer and eight and a half. When you're there,
we'll get Boise the afternoon game. Number twelve Clemson. We'll
go to our Austin to play number five Texas Texas. Yes, well,
Franklin Barbecue. We'll bring Andrew with us and we will break.
Speaker 5: Franklin barbecue is tremendous, Yes, tremendous.
Speaker 4: Can you say can you say that line one more
time for the matchup of the Orange teams.
Speaker 1: Casey, I'm sorry, brother, I love you, but all right,
all right, all right is getting eleven points in that one.
Winner of that one's going to face Arizona State. And
then in the nightcap, Uh, we will pray for you, Drew.
You get there safely. Number nine Tennessee, we'll travel to
Columbus to face number eight Ohio State. This number does
not make any sense to me at all. Ohio State
getting seven and a half. I don't know if this
is like Ryan Day on third base getting these numbers.
I'm not sure what happens here. But the winner of
this one will get oar again. So John, I'll kick
it to you, okay, all right.
Speaker 5: So my my initial thought on all of this is
like when I finally saw the bracket, like I was
truly giddy inside. I used to dream of a college
football playoff in high school, in college like I used
to dream of stuff like this, and now seeing it
is like just a childhood moment like unlocked for me.
So I have a good point, like I am super
giddy about the matchups, Like the point spreads are pretty significant,
but I mean Vegas knows a lot. Vegas has never
handicapped a college football playoffs, so you know, there there's
a good chance they could be wildly incorrect with these
in a multitude of ways.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be wrong about something. Oh yeah, there's no
way they're just nailing.
Speaker 5: All of this.
Speaker 8: Own.
Speaker 5: So I'll leave my My only thought for that Ohio
State game is I do I do fear there might
be a little bit more orange in that stadium. Then
then maybe Columbus might be accustomed to And if Ohio
State gets off to a slow start and starts getting
booed in the first quarter after the last time they
showed up at home, that would be quite a scene
to unfold. But out of the first round matchups, Clemson
Texas to me, is the standout game.
Speaker 1: Tell me, what are you seeing there? I don't I
don't see it.
Speaker 5: Well, first off, the orange clashes is hideous, like right orange, Yeah,
I've thrown up horrible color matchup, just a horrible color matchup.
But you know, Texas has yet to show us anything substantial. Like, yes,
they handled Texas A and M in an electric environment,
but man like, they tried really hard to give Texas
a and m that game.
Speaker 1: They've lost Georgia. They gave, they gave, they gave Georgia
the game Saturday, talked about it in the first half. Yes,
you can cash.
Speaker 5: In, right, So Texas is obviously talented. That's not what
yeah Clemson is. Clemson is talented. They have like the
first half of the a c C Championship game, and
Davos said as much that they finally played their best
football of the season and now they didn't put together
for four quarters and it almost it almost got them.
But if that team that showed up in the first
half in Charlotte shows up in Austin, Texas will have
its hands full like Clemson still has.
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Speaker 1: Know, can I respond to Andrew real quick?
Speaker 5: I will allow it.
Speaker 1: Clemson will be held under two hundred and fifty yards
and Texas will win by at least fourteen.
Speaker 5: Points, fourteen points.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 4: Look, I talked to Clemson fans today who were on,
who were at the ACC Championship last night, and they
said they might beat us by four scores.
Speaker 2: They are concerned.
Speaker 5: I'm here to tell you, man like Dabo is not
afraid of any stage. And yes, Clemson, Clemson has shown
us enough this year to show us like they can
get run out of any building. Like I just I
think that here's a.
Speaker 4: Couple of things to watch. Here's a couple of things
to watch in that one. Okay, Phil Maffa was hurt
last night. He has a shoulder injury. And then Haynes,
the backup quarter, the backup running back, goes down about
three quarters the way through the game. I'll be interested
to see how healthy they are in the backfield, the Tigers.
The other side of that is as I'm gonna all right,
here's why I was wrong segment, Because we haven't we
haven't had one. I'm just gonna make one statement. We
have this every week. It's everybody's favorite segment on the show.
When I got about how wrong I I'm gonna reverse
course for this one. Texas needs to play Arch because
because I have said.
Speaker 2: Over and over.
Speaker 4: Quinn's team, but did you say Clemson's Clemson's weakness. Clemson's
weakness in multiple occasions this year has been quarterbacks with legs,
and I think that if you if you give Arch
more opportunities than a trick play, I want to see
at least the package that he got against Texas A
and M if not, if not, more of a looked
than that, because I think if he gets out and
starts moving, uh, it's gonna call them some problems. It's
in case he said on here a couple of weeks ago.
I mean, he's a Clemson guy. If you just use
your tight ends to occupy Barrett Carter, then you kind
of take him out of the out of the game.
Speaker 2: Then then it just becomes a simple It just becomes
simple math at that point.
Speaker 1: Question one last question for Andrew, what is Clemson's record
against SEC teams this year? Would be and to okay,
thank you, and and and so I'm gonna say here's
the one that I'm most looking forward to. Who are
we not talking about? Kurt sign Indiana?
Speaker 2: Now, granted, talking about the mid off.
Speaker 1: Now, granted, the Battle of Indiana's the biggest thing to
happen since Indiana became a state, because what else happens
in Indiana? Drew, you will agree nothing but but but
but but if, but if anyone's going to take Kirby's
no one believes in us, it's going to be Kurt Signetti.
And my god, how fun would that be if the
Hoosier's knock off touchdown?
Speaker 6: Jesus right, Like Kurt Signetti obviously that first you know
that basketball game, he's like produce sucks. And so it
was a high state in Michigan. I'm like, you went
too and one, which is not bad, that's better than
Indiana usually does. But you're going against Notre Dame. This
you know that is that there's no other college football,
you know, anything in Indiana outside of Notre Dame. You
get South in Indiana and that's about it. And like you,
that's it. It's it's literally you want to be the
David and Goliath. You want to take down the big boys,
like you. You tried in Columbus and I I when
I was there, they fought value Le, but they were
just overmatched. And if you you really want to, you
really want to show you're about it, go to go
to South Bend, go to win it. I'm like, I'm
I'm really looking forward to that one because you know,
I love Curtis Rourke. You know, coming from Ohio, you
know the Maple Missile, I'm not coming from Oisle, was
from Canada, but you know he transferred from Aisle after
winning the MAC m v P a couple of years ago.
The Maple Missile. That's like, could you tell me a
single skill position player on that team? Like they they
ball out with a bunch of Indiana guys.
Speaker 5: Distributes the ball.
Speaker 4: Well that's why I can't say one guy because it
goes everywhere.
Speaker 1: M h.
Speaker 6: And like obviously Curtis Rourke against that, that secondary is
going to be a lot of fun to watch.
Speaker 4: They maybe, but the secondary, their secondary that is, yeah,
they are good.
Speaker 5: They're good, but.
Speaker 6: Like like I was, you know, I think their name
really hasn't played too many people.
Speaker 5: Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Thet I got lit up, I got lit up in
l A.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Polly wapped the Navy and Army. That's about it. Yeah,
Like they went this.
Speaker 4: Against USC if USC's offense knew how to put anybody
on the ground that you take fourteen points off the
board for for a Notre Dame where they ran to kickoffs,
I mean two interceptions.
Speaker 2: Back the length of the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ridiculous. Yeah. I just want to last question from
my Big Ten insider James Franklin. Does he finally get
a winner? Is he going to find a way to
screw it up and cry it and and go crying
about it in the post game?
Speaker 6: You know, I'm really I'm back and forth with him.
I'm like, on one hand, I'm like, I want you
to do something to show everybody that you're just not
this something right, You're just not the guy that beats
up on Rutgers in Maryland every year but loses to
you know, High State Michigan and anybody else with a pulse.
But on the other hand, good lord, you had your
opportunity against the Oregon like that right there at the
beginning of the game. It looked like Oregon was gonna
just run them right out the building. They clawed back,
did a great job, and then obviously the al interception
at the end.
Speaker 4: But I just think what they did against the Oregon
is a good thing, Yeah, because I think it gives
them confidence and I think it's motivating for this for
this game because now they've seen a little bit of
what the offense can do when they open it up.
Speaker 1: I think the Ducks got bored.
Speaker 4: That's fine, but that doesn't matter in the in the
locker room. Nobody's in the locker room saying, oh, we
scored because they were bored with us.
Speaker 1: Now you've got your head coach making excuses, oh, this
is a JV setup in the press conference and they
had too many penalties that we had more penalties. So
like to me, it's those built in excuses. A team
will replicate their head coach.
Speaker 4: The good defense they've always and the defenses was always
kept them in And so I'm not really concerned about SMU,
like just just scoring left and right on them. I
think Jenny's is gonna get his and they're gonna score.
But I actually like Penn State in this one. The
most intriguing game to me is the one in Columbus.
If I'm if I'm grabbing one. If there's one that
gets my attention the most, it's definitely that game, because
I think that you have two teams who are a
little bit uncertain to me, a little Jekyl and Hyde
to me.
Speaker 1: And I think I saw I think Ryan Davey drops
a bomb in Tennessee.
Speaker 2: This is the This is the most I do.
Speaker 4: Either you can get you can get one side of
either team showing up. So this is kind of where
I feel like there's the most variation of possible results,
because you can get good Ohio state and he does
drop a bomb, or you can get their higher state
we just saw.
Speaker 1: You can get killed and killed down takes care of
Nko and those deeps or.
Speaker 4: Or or you can get a deal in Sampson type
of game where he gets he gets lathered early and
and Nico makes the necessary throws, not not wins the
game with his arm, but he makes the necessary throws
and and Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Tennessee play as well.
Speaker 4: Or you can get the best version of both teams,
and I think you get a relatively even matchup. I
would go to a High State because I think has the
best talent in the.
Speaker 1: Touch two touchdowns and an amazing recap from Drew.
Speaker 2: We always get an amazing recap from Drew regardless of
what the result is.
Speaker 1: But I don't know fourteen points.
Speaker 2: I don't know it's gonna be fourteen points.
Speaker 1: Ye, Hype and Nico, we're gonna show I am.
Speaker 6: I'm yeah. I'm definitely very interested to see if Ryan
Day does this stupid smooth brain nonsense. That's like, we
have to beat them at their own game. Tennessee wins this.
Speaker 1: But the thing is like, he's not playing Michigan. He
won't do that, right.
Speaker 6: You're not playing Michigan, who is your boogeyman, which is
the stupidest thing in the world. But that that I
definitely understand the apprehension when it comes to Ohigh State
in this game because of what we just saw, the
bad taste in your mouth, the fact that Michigan has
two NFL defensive tackles and Ohigh States, like, let's just
run it right at them instead of spread it out
when we scored in about a minute. Now, we're just
gonna keep running at those defensive tackles, like so.
Speaker 1: They don't want to play Oregon until the semi final.
That that was a whole deal. It's like, let's let's
just wait, let's get a home game.
Speaker 6: The thing is like with Tennessee is obviously really good
at running the ball, Dylan Samson is a ridiculous running back.
A high stage run defense is really good, and like
they do really, really, really well when it comes to
corraling those running backs. And then yeah, Caleb Downs, Oh
my goodness, you can not say enough good things about him.
He's ridiculous. Like he is about as sure as a
tackler dog.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's he's all right.
Speaker 6: It looks good, but like it's it's going to come
down to for me, the the you know, in the trenches.
Just as cliche as it gets. High State still got
that messed up offensive line. Losing you know, Josh Simmons
and Seth McLaughlin, who was having arguably an All American season.
Losing those two has screwed everything up. They looked all
right in the Indiana game. They did a good job
of corraling those those solid Hoosier defensive linemen, but it
could not get anything going against Michigan, which is you know,
part of the course the last four years. James Pearce terrifies,
terrifies me.
Speaker 1: He had.
Speaker 6: You know, he's still a freak of nature and he's
probably going to go, you know, top ten at the
worst in the NFL draft. If Day and Chip Kelly
remember that he's on that sideline and prepare for it,
then yeah, bu guys will do all right. Will Howard
will be able to overcome that one. What in the
world are you doing? Will play and you know the
second they'll be able to test that secondary with you know,
Jeremiah Smith, who's not seventeen unfortunately like Ryan Williams, but
he's seventeen. Brian Williams is seventeen. Did you not know?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 4: Bonus questions? Man, bonus question? Dude, do you miss do
you miss McCord?
Speaker 6: I don't. Actually, I still will take Will Howard and
his boneheaded play over.
Speaker 1: As a Buckeye this year.
Speaker 6: Sorry.
Speaker 1: How would cam Woard look as a Buckeye this year?
I'm just curious, curious.
Speaker 6: I was stumping so hard.
Speaker 2: I'm undefeated, That's how I would look.
Speaker 5: You. I wouldn't have mattered against Michigan because I didn't
let the quarterback throw the ball against would have been undefeated.
Speaker 4: That's true because cam Ward cam Woard makes magical things
happen on all schedule plays and so.
Speaker 1: Championship, come on, it was.
Speaker 6: I was really stumping for for cam Woard. Like when
when he initially transferred to Washington State.
Speaker 1: You put money in the collective.
Speaker 6: At that time? No, because I don't have money.
Speaker 1: Wait, hang on, hang on, he said at that time,
meaning there was another time he may.
Speaker 6: You can't. You can't field this roster with you know,
nobody helping million. That's correct, verifying, but yes, that's a
very expensive roster to keep all those guys from going
pro and wanting to beat Michigan.
Speaker 1: And is Judkins gonna like say, like I need to
raise every time like House the plays like he's gonna
need money for their trunk game. He's going to need
more money for the second. I mean, allegedly he did
that an old mess. I cannot confirm any of that.
Speaker 6: I've heard anything negative about him when it comes to
a high state, like they've said he's been a model citizen.
Speaker 1: It shows what a sen is in Columbus versus Oxford.
I mean, Lena is running. I mean, these boys are
in bed early. Everything is good. No one's going on,
all right, all.
Speaker 2: Right, all right, Hey, we have time for one more thing.
Speaker 4: I just want to remind you guys to go on
X and follow at Drew crab through twelve and at
CFP four. Underscored us to get Andrew there and you
can pick up Big twelve and Big ten coverage as
we look into the playoffs, and you know you want
to get in on that early before the SEC eliminates
the rest of the field.
Speaker 2: So make sure that you go and follow them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they says you go in and follow them now
so that you can get that coverage.
Speaker 2: So as you can get that coverage.
Speaker 4: We we really enjoyed having you both on as a
nod always to last word we want. We want to
close with our segment the last word, Craig tell us
who who we've been missing this year and why that's
a part of our part of our last word. As
you get ready to play the ode to what was
the SEC on CBS, I.
Speaker 2: Will I'll let you know that in the first round.
Speaker 7: I just want to say I really miss Brent Wesberger
and Gary Danielson. Those guys, I mean, no Alabama would
have been in the playoffs if Gary Danielson could have
had a chance every week at three thirty to just
talk about the job killing the bore this stuff, and
now we have to watch that's a new going to
happy mail.
Speaker 5: Gary Bron this year.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's weird. I still think it's weird.
Speaker 4: I think we've talked all year about that was great,
Craig by the way, like kudos your oscars and the mail.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 4: We've talked all year about how great it's been for
ESPN to work these windows, especially with the great job.
The way it's really been staggered. I mean it's been
it's been really really good. It's given us, it's given
us a an overlapping.
Speaker 1: Said too many noon games. I also say he needs
more night games.
Speaker 2: They need to get it together.
Speaker 5: And uh, Kirby left the state at Georgia four times
and told his SEC commissioner that he played too many
road games. So everybody, everybody in the SEC is complaining.
Speaker 1: Yes, listen that Mercedes, Benz Andrew they're not.
Speaker 5: And then South.
Speaker 2: This is not just a this is not just an SEC.
It's not an SEC argument.
Speaker 4: Because Texas schedule was soft, Missouri schedule was definitely soft,
and they and they screwed.
Speaker 2: It up that eighteen shot at the playoffs You've.
Speaker 5: Got eighteen teams in one conference and you play eight
conference games like you're gonna get some soft schedule.
Speaker 1: Listen, Old Dominion and Liberty and who else did you play? Akron?
I don't even know who's South Carolina? Are you talking
to me?
Speaker 2: Are you talking to me?
Speaker 5: Are you talking to me?
Speaker 2: With the top fifteen strength of schedules? Still after playing
those teams, get out of people play?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 2: How many times? How many times do play two?
Speaker 4: How many times we played two Power five Power four opponents?
And then two cupcakes as opposed to three like most
people do.
Speaker 1: Listen, we play our cupcakes at neutral site because we
god forbid we would play clumpson in neutral Yeah, we
get into it forbid. We would play between the hedges
or at.
Speaker 4: The favorite who's your favorite team of commentators for the playoff?
Is it McDonald, Ackleroy, McGrath, Jones, Jones and Kesnitch, past
of or check, Ken, Gregor Or or Fowler, Herbstreet and Rug?
I think that's all of the teams.
Speaker 1: Andrew and Drew go first.
Speaker 5: Ju Let you have it.
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I forgot Bob was Shoes and Lewis Riddick and Chris
but I don't know, I think, and also Joe Tests,
Jesse Palmer, and Teddy George. Sorry they only have them
in here once. The ones that I mentioned before are
doing double duty.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure. Honestly, I don't really pay too much
attention to it, especially since I was in Columbus not
hearing the commentators for six of the home games.
Speaker 1: I mean, Marv.
Speaker 6: So I do love Platt and Gus Johnson, but he's
been off this year.
Speaker 5: It's so weird they make all those new games in Ohio.
He lost his juice and.
Speaker 4: They have none of the they have and Fox has
no playoff games in the In the opening round, it's
all the ESPN guys except for on Saturday.
Speaker 2: The Noon and the four are both.
Speaker 5: On t N.
Speaker 2: T mm hmmm, And man.
Speaker 5: I think, are they still Is it still an ESPN
crew though?
Speaker 1: They just You've got the A C C. You've got
the a CEC crew at noon.
Speaker 4: Yep, and then past de or check McGregor as a
four for Clinton Texas. Yeah, I think give me foul
herp shooting rod like that's the easy pick.
Speaker 8: There's a there's a lot of soldiers with those guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't go wrong with them. They do a
great job. I really used to like Joe Tests. Joe
Test seems like he's become more of the SEC machine
that he works for, which is a shame. He was
calling the Big twelve game and they were doing a
great job and talking about everything, and then towards the
end of the game he says, all right, well, now
we we're transitioning to a heavyweight fight in Atlanta where
the SEC Championships being played. And I'm like, Joe Test,
like respect the game a little bit. I will tell
you though, McDonough and McElroy. Yes, they might be. They
might be. They might be my favorite.
Speaker 1: I can't stand Greg like like Greg, really no, I can't.
Speaker 5: And that's it. That's a South Lake Carol legend. You
put some respect on Greg's name.
Speaker 1: No, he's no. I listen. I love Sean, I love
Miley McGrath. Can we bring back Todd Blackwood because I
like Todd a hell of a lot better than I do
Greg Greg. Greg's like that nerdy kid who's always raised
his hand and like has to give you every right
answer no matter what. So like, stop, Craig, that's me.
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for that.
Speaker 1: And I also I also have to give a shout
out to my boy Quint Kesnich big lacrosse guy, also
covers wrestling stuff like that, but like he's phenomenal. Who's
asking me this morning?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 6: One thing do we do we do? Bate? I know
this is obviously college football? Do we do baseball in here?
Do we like baseball?
Speaker 1: Craig, it's lacrosse?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well.
Speaker 1: And those everybody else baseball?
Speaker 6: The one Soto Domino has finally falling?
Speaker 1: Oh where do you go?
Speaker 5: I went to breaking news?
Speaker 6: He went to the Cincinnati now the New York Mets.
Fifteen years, seven hundred and sixty five million.
Speaker 4: I have to immediately, we have to sign off so
I can text people that I've been saying this too
for weeks.
Speaker 2: Who are Yankees that just insist that I was going
to be wrong.
Speaker 6: I'm so disapinted that he didn't choose the Reds. What
the heck? Man?
Speaker 5: I should have came back to the Nats. Man, the
Nats love him here and he loved being here, but
the Nats don't have set deep That's that's that's your
baseball talk.
Speaker 2: I have breaking news in the MLB right here on
this podcast.
Speaker 1: I have one one question. In our group chap before
there was something about any agenda or rundown for the
pod or we're just gonna let Craig roll alive grenade
out and Rob promised to keep us on track, so
I would ask Andrew and Drew, did Rob keep us
on track with my grenades?
Speaker 2: You were?
Speaker 5: You were offended by how much Rob try to keep
you on that listen.
Speaker 1: I was trying to keep it together for Brent and Gary. Okay,
this has been really hard.
Speaker 2: This has been It just means more football and coffee.
Speaker 4: I'm Rob Williams at Rob Williams GCP. He is Craig
and Michael MCMICHAELH seven. You can find him in Gary
Danielson's DMS and we will see you next week as
we take a deeper dive into these first round matchups.
Have a great week. We'll see you next time.