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Good evening, This 31 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:50.120 is your host Dan Zupanski for the program True Murder, 32 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:52.840 The most shocking Killers in True crime History and the 33 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:56.000 authors that are written about them. Jimmy Jost was a 34 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.120 powerhouse in the oil and gas industry, but he was 35 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:02.040 a weakling when it came into his gorgeous, athletic longtime 36 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:05.840 lover Ronda Glover. Addicted to her sexual prowess and madly 37 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:09.400 in love, Jost gave her homes, cars, cash, and a 38 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:12.680 three hundred and fifty thousand dollars engagement ring. Their fifteen 39 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.560 years of passion and excess ended the day, Ronda drove 40 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.080 directly from the shooting range to the Austin home they 41 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.240 once shared. After pumping ten bullets into him from a 42 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:25.680 glock nine millimeter, she stood over Joe's body, splattered body 43 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:29.159 blood splattered body and shot him six more times, twice 44 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:33.000 below the waist. According to Ronda, Jost was violent, abusive, 45 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:35.680 and had threatened her life. Here for the first time 46 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:39.680 were Ronda Glover's shocking stories of drug crazed devil worship 47 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:45.840 and sexual perversity. But in a packed courtroom, prosecutors presented 48 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:49.000 shocking evidence that beautiful Ronda didn't act in self defense. 49 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:53.520 It was just hot blooded murder. Fatal Beauty with my 50 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:59.919 special guests, the immeasurable and an infamous Burrel Bear off 51 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:04.000 of Fatal Beauty, Welcome back to the program, and thank 52 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:05.919 you very much for agreeing again to be on this 53 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.000 little we program. Burl Bear. 54 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:11.000 Well, it's a pleasure to be on your show. And 55 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:13.639 having also having read your book and having had you 56 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:16.800 on my show, you have the distinction of having been 57 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:21.199 on perhaps the most horrifyingly disgusting radio broadcast I've ever 58 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:22.879 been on my life. 59 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:24.599 Well, thank you very much. 60 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.199 Reeling from your book, which is just one of the 61 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:34.639 most shocking books I've ever read in my life. 62 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:36.639 Oh my god, thank you very much. Coming from you, 63 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.599 that's very high praise, So thank you, and coming from 64 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:44.080 your vast experience, that's something too, to shock a person 65 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:48.439 of your unshockable nature. So thank you very much. Now 66 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:51.360 getting to this shockable story. This is quite a different 67 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.000 book even for you, Burl. So I got to commend 68 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:57.360 you on this for just being a very, very surprising book. 69 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.280 And it's almost like you got your legal background here 70 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:01.680 on this one. So it's impressible. 71 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:04.639 Well, you know, it's a difficult thing in the true 72 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:07.639 crime field. There's all sorts of people who read true crime. 73 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:12.639 Traditionally it's been a female driven market. More women have 74 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:16.399 traditionally bought true crime books than men, right, And a 75 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:20.199 large segment of people who read through crime books sadly 76 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:23.319 don't really care about much except the blood and the gore. 77 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.319 What I was trained to do as a journalist, to 78 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.360 what I think is important to do morally, is if 79 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.240 all you do is talk about the blood and the 80 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:36.079 gore and don't put it in any sort of context, 81 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:39.399 it might as well be porno. And porno is entertaining, 82 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:41.439 I'll admit, but you do need a little bit of 83 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:45.519 a plot line. And so the only objections that well, 84 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:47.959 I've had two objections to the book, one that it 85 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:55.160 contains too much important information, yeah, and the other is 86 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:56.839 the style I so as to write it, and I 87 00:04:57.759 --> 00:05:01.240 did use a slightly different style on this. A lot 88 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:05.120 of people watch shows like forty eight hours or sixteen 89 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:09.720 minutes or twenty twenty whether that, or like documentaries where 90 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.439 you have various people commenting on what's going on. So 91 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:15.160 I thought it would kind of be fun to do 92 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:18.680 a book that was like you were watching a documentary 93 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.600 where you have all these people commenting on what's going on, 94 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:27.279 including Ron the Glover herself. If this is the first 95 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:31.120 time I think that we've had a true crime book 96 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:36.439 of this nature where the killer provides running commentary to 97 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:37.879 help the entire book. 98 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.279 Yeah, definitely. I thought out of necessity you created this 99 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.720 book as well because of its very unique nature, and 100 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:50.519 then very much like a very important book where there 101 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:53.480 never can be too much important information. This is so 102 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:57.680 thorough and so much. You're known for your subtext, that's 103 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.040 for sure, but this one is very very necessary, and 104 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.240 you can see it buildings as the book progresses after 105 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:06.600 even the third of the book, and you can see 106 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:10.920 that you're getting ah, You're seeing as what should be 107 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:14.839 a historical time in law where a case like this 108 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.199 in a very very conservative state like Texas at a 109 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:21.759 very I guess crucial time, you know, because things have 110 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:24.920 developed over the years, even in that state, and looking 111 00:06:24.959 --> 00:06:27.680 at this and what is insanity and what you know, 112 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.959 a really good examination of what it is not an 113 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.600 emotional examination, and then you have just to throw in, 114 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.600 you know. The complexity is having this woman, like you say, 115 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.839 telling the story from her perspective, in and out of 116 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.000 probably sanity so incredible. 117 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.920 One of the reviews of the book that I appreciated 118 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:50.839 that I think it was perhaps it was on the 119 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.680 True Crime book Reviews, said that the reviewer said that 120 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:55.800 while they were reading the book the book, at first 121 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.879 they thought perhaps some of the material I was putting 122 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:02.360 in there was like filler or something. But then they 123 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:04.600 realized by the time they got the end of the 124 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:07.680 book that I didn't put anything in there that was filler. 125 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:11.399 Everything in this book is there on purpose. It's not 126 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:14.399 just a fill up space. And if you want to 127 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:17.639 skip over and stuff that you don't find interesting, go 128 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:22.560 right ahead, but you'll miss what the book is really about. 129 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:25.720 And there's some people, I admit, that really don't care 130 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.319 about the social context of members. They just want to 131 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.839 hear about how many wounds there were, you know, and 132 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.680 that sort of thing. But the one thing I found 133 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.439 especially fascinating about this story for those who I'm familiar 134 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:42.800 with it, is that the real reason that Ronda Glover 135 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:48.480 killed Jimmy Joe's never came out at the trial. It 136 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:52.120 never came out of the newspaper. They were never allowed 137 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:54.519 to even mention it at the trial. 138 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:55.879 Yes, never was. 139 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.199 And the only place that you will find the full 140 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.560 story on why she killed. 141 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:05.759 Him because in this book, yeah there is a why. Yeah, 142 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:08.120 if there is any why, for sure. Well, okay, let's 143 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.879 go back on this incredible story, because let's assume that 144 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:13.839 some people don't know this story at all, and so 145 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:18.120 let's go back to the rodeo star. The very beautiful 146 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:19.680 Ronda Glover let. 147 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.639 Me she was and she I went and visited her 148 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.680 in prison, which is a rather unnerving experience. But she's 149 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:30.600 very pleasant, still attractive, better looking than she appears to 150 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:35.279 be on the TV show Snapped, where she didn't look 151 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:36.919 as good on that TV show as she did what 152 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.559 I went to see her. She's still an attractive woman 153 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:42.200 and as you can see from the photograph, she was 154 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:48.279 dropped dead. Gorgeous, incredibly attractive woman, very vivacious, personality. And 155 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:51.440 my daughter once made a comment that if if someone's 156 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:58.080 crazy in bed, probably crazy everywhere else too, And yeah, 157 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:01.840 that might occur applied to her to Ronda as well. 158 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.200 So let's go back, and it's absolutely beautiful and the 159 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.759 bright woman, Ronda Glover, and you will have a very 160 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:12.840 wealthy and nice guy named Jimmy Chose and he've been 161 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:15.639 going with another woman named Ronda for about eight years. 162 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:20.919 When he meets this Ronda two, Ronda Glover, and he 163 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:24.519 falls for her like the proverbial ton of bricks or 164 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:29.120 several tons of bricks or several large bank ballasts. Once 165 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:35.879 he experiences Ronda, he's hooked his best friend, who we 166 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:38.279 talked to a great deal. In the book Rocky to borrow. 167 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.399 As he points out about Jimmy, he and Jimmy had 168 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:44.519 a lot of common Jimmy was incredibly wealthy, Rocky wasn't, 169 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:46.080 but the two were best friends. 170 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:46.320 Either. 171 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:49.720 There was his vast difference in their income levels, but 172 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:54.240 they shared a great commonality, and that is they were 173 00:09:54.279 --> 00:09:57.720 the kind of guys that when it came to women, 174 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:01.200 they weren't in the conquest, they weren't the number of women, 175 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:06.120 none of that nonsense. If they met a beautiful woman 176 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:12.360 who was sexually incredible. They were toasts. That was it. Uh, 177 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:15.639 they that woman could It wasn't that they could do 178 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.799 no wrong, because I said, they could do all the 179 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:23.120 wrong they wanted. And it didn't pattern. Rondick could leave 180 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.279 Jimmy and go off with somebody else for an extended 181 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:28.120 period of time, brun out of money and call him 182 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:32.559 and go Jimmy, Bam, he's right there. Yeah, I mean 183 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.799 that that was it. And as as Rocky, he said, 184 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:38.440 you know, I'm sure women can see him coming a 185 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:41.639 mile away. Uh. 186 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:41.159 Uh. 187 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:46.159 They they had just become subservient to these these women. 188 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:51.279 If the women are sexually incredible and they don't cheat 189 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:53.360 on them, they're loyal to them and they'll do anything 190 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:57.639 for him. And that's the way Jimmy was with with Ronda. 191 00:10:59.240 --> 00:10:59.320 Uh. 192 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:03.000 Jimmy was kind of a passive sort of guy, pacifistic, 193 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:08.200 you know, fun loving, and one of the characteristics is 194 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:10.159 despite the fact that he had a lot of money, 195 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:14.519 he was very egalitarian. He did not see social differences 196 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:17.799 to people he did and he wasn't hoity toity, shall 197 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:20.360 we say it, didn't see themselves better than anybody else. 198 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:23.440 He could hang out with the yard guy or a 199 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.000 king or a prince, didn't make any difference. He'd go 200 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:29.000 to a restaurant, he might have fight the vallet after 201 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:34.320 dinner with him. You know, he could relate to anybody. Unfortunately, 202 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:42.000 as time went on, Jimmy started joining Ronda in some 203 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:46.679 of her more recreational drug experiences. The difference between the 204 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.000 two is, while they both wound up having predictable amounts 205 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:55.840 of delusions, et cetera, being an over indulgence, particularly distribulance, 206 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:01.639 will cause you know, very forms of temporary coosis. If 207 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:06.600 you also have mental illness, those psychoses aren't temporary. There 208 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:11.399 in line is the big difference. Uh, Ronda had ongoing psychosis. 209 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.399 Jimmy could get wacko and have delusions, but then uh 210 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.679 he'd stop. You know, he could do you know, I 211 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.200 would like they say, ninety five percent of the people 212 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.720 who drink will never be alcoholics. Ninety five percent of 213 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:29.120 people who use recreational drugs will ever readrug addicts. Most 214 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:32.320 people who will use any kind of drug, maybe they'll 215 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:34.440 use it two years and get bored and they'll stop. 216 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.639 Most people in treatment or in treatment because they'll have 217 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:40.519 got mad Adam and said him there, not the community 218 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:41.120 to be there. 219 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:41.720 Uh. 220 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:46.559 She went off several times to metal institutions, treatment centers, 221 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:53.679 et cetera. Multiple diagnoses of treatable metal illnesses. But unfortunately Ronda, 222 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:57.919 as with many people, chose not to take her medications 223 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:03.480 and you to drake and use recreational drugs on top 224 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.600 of her unfortunate mental condition. To put those two together 225 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:09.120 and you've got real problems. 226 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:14.200 What was she diagnosed with and what exactly and when 227 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:17.279 was this? I mean, we're talking about a relationship that 228 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:20.720 spent fifteen years between these two, So let's go back 229 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.840 to the beginning. Did she have a history of mental 230 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:26.919 illness when she was a teenager? And then when she 231 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:29.200 diagnosed a little bit later, what was the diagnosis? 232 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:32.720 What she was when she was a young young adult, 233 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:35.799 she was well, she was already into self medicating and 234 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:39.279 recreational drug use in high school cetera, which is not unusual. 235 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:44.360 But in the early nineties, et cetera, she already was 236 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:50.240 having problems with alcoholism and stimula stimular use cocada, cetera, 237 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:53.200 which is not uncommon. But she had feenured that she 238 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:58.279 had a diagnosed metal illness, which the diagnosis has changed somebody. 239 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:04.120 She was diagnosed bipolar disorder, and then later she was 240 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:11.639 diagnosed with what's called psychosis NOS, which means psychosis not 241 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:18.320 otherwise specified, meaning they could not keep her long enough 242 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:23.600 to do an appropriate diagnosis. They could tell she knows, 243 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:28.360 you have to have someone under appropriate care or examination 244 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:32.080 long enough to determine, you know, it's like if you 245 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:36.519 were vomiting, vomiting, but we don't know exactly why we 246 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:39.559 haven't been able to nail it down well. In most states, 247 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:45.080 you can't involuntarily keep someone in a mental institution over say, 248 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:49.919 seventy two hours, unless they are either suicidal or homicidal 249 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:53.519 threat to themselves or others. Well as she was neither. 250 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:56.360 Even though her mother did a lot of efforts to 251 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.679 try to get her help, and then so did her 252 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.840 other friends, they couldn't keep her beyond a certain amount 253 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.879 of times. She was in Betty Ford's for her Alcoholismhen 254 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.240 she was out of there. And she can present herself 255 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.120 very well. I mean, she's not continually wackled ninety nine 256 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:16.200 percent of time. When I went to all jumping him. 257 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:19.480 When I went to see her, it was very charming, 258 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:24.000 very gracious, amusing, and yet I knew that if there 259 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.919 were probably certain phrases I could say or topics I 260 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:32.960 could bring up, it would trigger And sure enough, there 261 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.000 were certain things I could say, and exactly as predicted 262 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:42.480 by various experts, the eyes would blaze and she'd be 263 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.840 right back per separating on her delusions. But you can 264 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:49.080 snap her out of that also by changing the topic, 265 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.960 so it's you know, it's something that a professional would 266 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:57.879 have to deal with. Sadly, she came to believe some 267 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:02.600 very extreme and dangerous delusions. They're wound up costing word 268 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:03.480 for his life. 269 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:06.360 Now, okay, tell us before you tell us the delusions, 270 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:10.879 tell us basically what some of her well, before you 271 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.960 talk about the delusions involving Jimmy Joyce, tell us just 272 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:17.960 in general, some of the delusions she had that seemed 273 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.039 to have been or some of the characteristics that manifested 274 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:22.960 herself in her mental illness. You know, what was it 275 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:25.919 these grandiose thoughts. Tell us a little bit about her 276 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.080 character and the kinds of things she'd be hallucinating or 277 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:30.720 being deluded about. 278 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.039 Well in the early times when they were living together 279 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:39.279 in Austin, early on, before before they split up, Before 280 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.360 she lifts he s Houston and before there was any 281 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.360 real perceived danger from her, she would call the police 282 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:49.480 several times a week, thinking they were burglaries in process 283 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:53.559 in her hall, or if there were bodies buried in 284 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:59.399 the backyard, or that the bodies in the wall, or 285 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:04.880 that Jimmy had had killed people. But they asked her 286 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:06.759 whis and while she was reading a true crime book 287 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:08.640 and she saw pictures of one of the suspects and 288 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:13.240 he kind of looked like like, yeah, turned one time 289 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:16.359 he'd taken their son to the movies, but she thought 290 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.240 he killed him and buried him and you know, put 291 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:22.680 him in the attic turn another with the movies. But 292 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:25.720 every time they'd ask Jimmy, you're are you okay? Are 293 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:28.759 you worried about this? And Jimmy would always say, Hey, 294 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:32.279 it's okay, She'll be fine in a little bit. I 295 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:36.720 can always calm her down. I'm not in any danger 296 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:40.759 from her. 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Ronda and her child were missing for an 337 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:42.079 extended period of time. No one knew where they were. Uh, 338 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:44.559 and that was a problem. 339 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:48.079 Ron She's supposed to when she's supposed to hand the 340 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:53.240 child over to protection services anyway, because because she had 341 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.640 her restrictions or something about the condition she had she 342 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:59.200 had broken it was wasn't that the well, yeah, she. 343 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:01.599 Had she had, she broke into condition. She was supposed 344 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:06.480 to turn the child over to her over to her mother. Instead, 345 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:11.920 she took off and actually she tried to get across 346 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:16.880 to Canada, across the Canadian border, but the tabs on 347 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:19.440 her car. It was the new car that Jimmy had 348 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.640 bought her, and it just had the paper license and 349 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.200 that isn't good enough for leaving the country or getting 350 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:28.880 into Canada. So they turned her back around and said 351 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:30.960 she was on her way home. Well, she didn't come 352 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.799 home and they didn't know where she was. In fact, 353 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:38.000 when Jimmy's body was found, it was Ronda's aunt who 354 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:42.200 had gone to Jimmy's house looking for Rondo. Why was 355 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:43.400 she look by Rondo? 356 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:44.839 Why was she talking there? 357 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.960 Because Ronda and Jimmy was still close. Maybe Jimmy knew 358 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:52.000 where she was. Maybe Jimmy had her from her, you know. 359 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:57.039 Right, So this is the July twenty fifth, two thousand 360 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:00.880 and four, and so who finally, so the her friend 361 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:04.480 finds the uh the body, or she doesn't actually. 362 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:07.799 Tell me about it. The the aunt, you know, looking 363 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:11.200 for Ronda, and the child decides to, you know, go 364 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:15.119 buy Jimmy's house and the garage is opened, the cars there. 365 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:17.599 She rings the bell, rings the bell, there's no answer. 366 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:20.200 Comes back the next day, there's still no answer. She's 367 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:24.119 a little concerned that, you know, maybe something bad has happened. 368 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:26.559 Calls the police. The police go in and that's when 369 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:33.240 they find Jimmy quite dead upstairs in the hallway with 370 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:35.160 several bullets in him. And he's been dead for a 371 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:39.160 couple of days, right, and now they don't know what's happened. 372 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:45.759 They don't know if if Ronda is in danger, if 373 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:48.359 the kids in danger. You no one knows for sure 374 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:52.920 exactly what's going on now. Rocking the borrow Jimmy's best friend. 375 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:55.920 Now he hasn't seen Jimmy in a couple of years. 376 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:58.240 They had a little bit of a falling out over Ronda, 377 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:02.400 actually over something that happened. And then all of a sudden, 378 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:07.599 the Clear Blue Rocky gets a beautiful two thousand dollars 379 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:13.960 gifts from Jimmy planting for his garden, and he calls Jimmy. 380 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:16.039 He said, man, this is great to hear from you. 381 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:19.119 Let me take you out. The two guys who've been 382 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:21.559 best friends, who hadn't seen each other for years, So 383 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:26.319 spent the afternoon together bumming around the farmer's market or whatever, 384 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:28.880 having a wonderful time, just like the good old days. 385 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:33.680 And let me buy you dinner. So Simmy says, well, okay, 386 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:35.839 Because they're like in their shorts and T shirts and stuff. 387 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:38.359 It was a hot Texas day. So take me by 388 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:40.799 the house, let me shower, change my clothes. You do 389 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:42.920 the same, and give me a call when you're reading, 390 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:44.680 come pick me up and we'll go out for dinner. 391 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:46.039 Right. 392 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:49.559 So Rocky goes home, shower, shaves, gets off the phone. 393 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:56.359 No answer, no answer, no answer. That's because Jimmy's dead. Ye, 394 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.400 finally he gets I get to eat. What the hell 395 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:01.839 is going on, Jimmy, pull on me here? Finally gets 396 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.359 a call, you know, like a y or so later 397 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:10.880 for the cops and the Savarrow. Jimmy Joseph is dead. 398 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.440 We've found his cell phone. There's about like fifteen calls, 399 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:16.960 and you're experienced to be here. The last person saw 400 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:20.480 him alive, Rocky says, hell, no, I'm not the last 401 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:22.559