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Speaker 2: How's your work gone?

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Speaker 1: Good? Good, busy. I'm backed up on episodes now. I

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normally drop like my interview episodes three times a week,

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and I think I'm gonna have to drop a few

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extra because I like hammered a bunch in like a

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short space of time. And I got people going, so

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what are you gonna drop that? And I'm like, all right,

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I got I get right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I just sit I sit on them. Then I

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can take a break. What amount of questions to ask?

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Speaker 1: Well, when I'm out of questions to ask, what I

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do is I find somebody, find someone new? Oh really?

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Well yeah yeah, when I find some find find someone

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new to interview. So then it's a whole set of questions.

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Like I love Judge Napolitano's show. I like getting updates

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on you know what the intelligence community what quote unquote

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former intelligence community says about uh is saying about World

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of Fan. But he has this habit of having like

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five people on in one day and asking him the

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same question over and over again and playing the same

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clip over and over again for them to comment on.

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And I'm like, yeah, I think I think it's all

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going to be pretty similar. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: How do I pronounce your last name? I've only ever

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read it.

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Speaker 1: It's Kenyons, so it's like a really it starts with

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a K, like a k sound kean yohness. My brother

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won't pronounce it the the proper way. He just pronounces

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it phonetically because he's he's boring.

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Speaker 2: Oh he's the boring brother. You got all the spice, yeah,

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genetically speaking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the one who you like, like, has always

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had like the regular job where you know where I'm

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always I was always trying to find stuff that would

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keep me interested more than pay the bills.

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Speaker 2: I kind of want to do. I don't know where

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you want to go with this interview, and I'm always

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open to just following where the conversation goes. I believe

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in the conversation for its own sake, but I wanted

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to get a little bit contextual. I was just thinking

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about that this morning. It's like, where did I come from?

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Like I remember being nineteen and being really interested in ideas,

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and I'm in a totally different spot now, you know,

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twenty five years later or whatever. Some people don't like

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getting into biography, but at the same time. Biography kind

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of helps contextualize belief.

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Speaker 1: I can do biography. I'll just censor out stuff that

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I don't want public. Okay. I have the greatest, greatest upbringing.

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Even though I was at a classical education, it just

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wasn't the greatest upbringing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you well? First question? Did you move around

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a lot growing up?

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Speaker 1: No? No, all in one place? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Religious later?

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Speaker 1: Or grew up in grew up in the Catholic Church,

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ultra boy Catholic school. I went to a Catholic high school,

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graduated Catholic high school, and then did did as most

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post Vatican two Catholics do, fell away from fell away

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from the church, and I had to find my way

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all the way back through a Protestant phase.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, what what attracted you to Protestantism? Were you

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just kind of bereft in life and one more religion or.

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Speaker 1: No, I am. I just got to a place where

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there was something missing. I knew there was something missing. Yeah, yeah,

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do you tried Protestantism. I went to Protestant seminary for

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a while, and oh, I just yeah, I pretty much

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talked myself seminary life, my dad, my dad to seminary

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later in life too, and became a Southern Baptist minister

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and his one of the things he said when I

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started taking classes in seminary was that the hardest thing

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for most people to do when they go to seminary

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is to come out with their faith.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 1: Because you learn things that you're supposed to hide from

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the congregation, like we really don't know where a lot

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of the scriptures came from, and things like that, Like

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textual criticism. Class was hilarious because I'm sitting there and

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there are these people behind me who I can hear

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this is scary. He was shaking their faith and everything,

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and I'm just like, I'm well, I'm just I'm here

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to learn, you know, so, and I can deal with

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attacks on the faith. But you know, I just didn't

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like I didn't like the fact that I went to

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a church that I really like the people, but had

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like two church splits in like two years. In spend

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two years like this doesn't sound this doesn't sound that great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like the so called culture war. People

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are always like coming together and then splitting apart after

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two or three months, or a new world event splits

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Speaker 1: Or well, when you're when your initial premise was protesting

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against something and splitting off from a group, then unless

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you can find some some you know, solid ground, that's

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just going to keep happening. My friend Josh says, yeah,

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he became a Catholic because he just couldn't. He said,

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the protest just continued until it was splintering and splintering

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and splintering, and well, what are we a church body

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or are or do we hate each other? Are we

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the body at Christ? Or do we hate each other? Yeah,

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because because one person believes in like a visual return

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of Christ, any other person believes that you won't be

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able to see it because you know, there's this is

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a globe and he's going to appear on one side

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and you won't be able to see it on this

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side and everything. And I've heard I've heard pastors be like, well,

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you know, now that we have the Internet, technically we

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can all see it. And I'm like, it's just Anusia,

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Speaker 2: I think it's the problem of some people call it

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propositional understanding. It's like when we have when we formulate

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the world in such a way where it's discussable, it

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can also turn into something that we argue about, and

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then it becomes something we agree or disagree, and then

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our identity gets wrapped up in this one fraction of

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human experience called belief or knowledge or gnosis or however

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you frame them.

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Speaker 1: The way I looked at it was going back to

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Catholicism felt right. It felt like I was home. It's

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what my dad's side of the family way back, not

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way back, I mean just a couple of generations ago.

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she grew up in the Catholic Church, and all the

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way back in her family, so I mean. And another

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thing is it's nice to be a part of a group.

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I have this obsession where whenever I embrace something, I

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need to read everything about it and learn everything about it.

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the Catholic Church was I was not going to become

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a Catholic expert. I was just going to be one

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of those people who goes to Mass, goes to reconciliation,

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takes to Eucharist, and lives a very simple, faith filled

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life instead of what I did when I got into BROADUS,

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where it was like, well, I'm gonna there's a local

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there's a nice conservative local seminary. I'm gonna go find

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out everything that I can and yeah, it's just like

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I can only concentrate on so many things. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So then what is the role of faith if it's

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not something that you're learning about or engaging with it

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as a subject of study, What then does faith? How

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does faith operate in your life?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the way it works is I don't

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pick up the Catechism everyone. So I'll turn to some

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place I don't know that I haven't read before and

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learn something new. But it's not something where I'm going

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to like every I'm going to say, okay, this is

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in these next three hundred and sixty five days, I

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am going to read through the Catechism and I'm going

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to and the next three sixty five No, it's just

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going to be something that is I'll pick it up.

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I'll learn more as I go along, but I don't

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need to be an expert on everything. And I think

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that that's that's a problem I've had in the past,

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is I just have to be an expert on everything

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that I explore. And you know, that's one of the

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one of the problems I have with Protestantism is that,

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you know, I say this, and even close friends of

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mine where Protestants get mad. But you know, it's like, basically,

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if you're a Protestant, you can pretty much interpret the

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Bible any way you want. And when you say that,

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people are like, no, there's only one way to interpret it.

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obviously people can people are interpreting it different ways. And

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if you can just go and there's a space open

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next to the circle k in town, then anyone can

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call themselves a pastor and anyone can open up a church.

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you decide you want to go to that church. Now

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you've positioned yourself with this self taught self, you know,

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female lesbian pastor. Well, okay, what's your argument. What's the

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argument against that? If you're a Protestant. What's the argument

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against that she read the Bible in a certain way?

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be a pastor and she can be gay and be Christian. Okay,

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that Bible. Mm well I'm going I'm I'm going off

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two thousand years a tradition now, so yeah, uh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Who one problem or source of tension and discussions of politics,

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especially once you get to a certain scale, which is

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what we're facing, you can't get away from the problem

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of scale. How do you deal with eight billion people?

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an American state, You're still talking about millions of people.

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Speaker 1: How do you?

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Speaker 2: How do you govern people? In one aspect of this

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tug of war that we see explicitly on the left

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and then conservatives try to shy away from it, and

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there's a growing will and awareness on the right that

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that decisions need to be made to tell people how

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to live. You're governing people is to tell them how

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to live, and who makes that decision and who sculpts

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that and it eventually comes back to the same question

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with religion and the question of having a society that

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doesn't have a uniform religion, like who tells other people

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what to believe? Who tells other people what to do

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or not do? Like who's the decider, who's the executive

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of behavior. I'm wondering how you wrestle with that. And

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I'm curious about your political transformation from a libertarian to

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a post libertarian or wherever you're at right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, your question basically centers around one word, and that's hierarchy.

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you want to call it, there tends to be a

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rejection of that and a rejection of it politically or

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a rejection of it. Let's face it, classical liberalism wasn't

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conceived by Catholics or Orthodox people. It was conceived by Protestants,

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for better or for worse. I mean, I'm not blaming them.

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This is what the idea that they came up with.

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look back to my family. I have two sides of

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my family. One side is from the Poland Hungarian area

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that that section down there that came to be known

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as Galicia. That's where both sides of my mom's family

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came from. They came to the United States. My great

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grandparents literally came to the United States and met each other,

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and they were both from one town over from each other. Well,

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that's that's what happens when people come to a country

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and their immigrants know to go to one section, like

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western Pennsylvania, so they can they can meet, and they

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can continue and be around people that they actually know.

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through Puerto Rico to the Canary Islands to Spain, and

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what I look at is so one of the things

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the Muslim conquest of Spain seven to eleven AD and

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the reconquista that took basically seven hundred and almost seven

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hundred and seventy five years to take this take the

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country back. Now, most people would have given up. Most

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people would have been like, Okay, we're part of a

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caliphate now and we should probably convert to Islam and

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become like these people. They would offer people who converted

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to Islam didn't have to pay taxes, but most of

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they were going to take it, take the country back.

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get two inches back. I mean, they just basically decided, well,

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why did they do this? Because they were Catholics, because

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they were they had something in common, They had something

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that they had an identity that they were willing to

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unite around and fight for. And one of the problems

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with America is is that America doesn't had a unifying principle.

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and that was pretty much white Europe. And it's changed

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and now you don't really know when you ask somebody

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what an American is even say, you know someone maga,

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someone who's conservative, someone who calls himself America first their

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their idea. Yeah. I had someone contact me and say,

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you know, I'm a I'm a conservative, I said, you know,

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said I. I said, okay, so what does conservative mean?

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And they said, well, we want to return I want

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to return to the values of the founding fathers. And

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I said, okay, so you want only white men to

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vote and only landowners. Women can't vote. You're pretty much

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all Protestant and Catholics are Catholics are on the are

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on the outside. They're not being too you know, yeah

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you persecuted. Yeah, and is that what you want? And

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the person said, well, no, no, that's not what you know,

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that's not what I want. I want it all. I said, okay,

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so you want you want nineteen sixty four in nineteen

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sixty five, you want the civil rights ack, you want

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to be you want what the country became after that.

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what being an American. That's what the America was founded upon.

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It was founded upon a supremacist kind of idea, and

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people just don't want to deal with that because of

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the post war consensus after World War Two, and which

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led into things like Shelley B. Kramer Brown versus Board

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of Education, civil Rights sack to sixty four, voting right,

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I think it's voting right, sack to sixty five, things

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like that, And basically what happened was and I think

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there's a lot of people out there who've done a

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lot better work on this than I have, that basically

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the Constitution became supplanted by the civil Rights Act, because

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now you don't have a freedom of association. And Shelley

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by Kramer did that more so than where they basically said,

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you can't preclude someone from living in a community based

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upon their identity. And you know, it's not something that

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it's not something that people had a problem with up

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until that time. People self segregated pretty well. You know,

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in the Bronx, and I'm pretty well versed on New

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York City's history. And New York City used to not

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only have like Chinatown and Little Italy, but they had

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like they had a block where like Southern Germans were,

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and then a block over there were people live who

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are from West Germany, you know, who are from a

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western end of Germany, not the bundest Republic, but the

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western area of Germany. And it almost seemed like all

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of a sudden, laws were being passed to force integrate,

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to force integrate people and to make them not segregate.

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there's still a lot of like self segregation, there's still

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a lot of default the segregation. But yeah, I think

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that that's probably. I think that's probably one of the

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things that the country was founded upon which we lost

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was freedom of association. If you say you don't want

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to associate with a certain person or a certain group, now,

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well that's anathema because we've moved beyond that. We're you know,

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we live in a we're we're enlightened. And you know,

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if you don't want to live you know I live.

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I live in the rural South Blacks everywhere. I mean,

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it just is what it is. But even here we

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self segregate, you know, the they live in one specific

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part of town and usually there's and but if you

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say that, that's if I were to say, well, you know,

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and I think that's great about my town, well that's

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that's seen is problematic. That seems well, no, you can't

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have liberty if you are not free to not only

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associate with people, but disassociate from some people. And going

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back to the heredit where you started this with, how well,

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it's about community, it's about people, you trust. You want people.

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I want people to be in charge. If I'm not

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going to be in charge, which I don't really want

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to sounds like work. I want someone to be in charge.

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That is shares my values, that speaks the same kind

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of language, that speaks same language that I do, sounds

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like I do when I say it speaks the same

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language I'm talking about. We agree, We agree on things

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as soon as you start bringing in people, as soon

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as you force integrate people who have you know what

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what my friend Cryptos calls first and second order differences, Like,

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for you know, first order would be these are like

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concrete things that we believe in. This is like where

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our basis, This is where our foundation is. Second order

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second order is like well, you know, it's like, how

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are we going to build this road? How are we

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going to fund this road? Who's going to do that? Yeah?

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First order is people who you is like the you know,

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a Bible Belt Southerner Protestant Baptist and a you know

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someone who works at someone who works at MSNBC living

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next to each other, Well, how do they or their

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foundation doesn't there's nothing in common with their foundation. Of

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course they're going to clash, and you know we're forced

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you know, some who lives three thousand miles away from

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where I do, who doesn't share any of my values,

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or as I used to say it, you know you

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know Levi, who lives in Utah and is a Mormon,

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and then you have Jesse, who is a you know,

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a hardcore progressive who lives in New York City. One

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of one of either of their votes can affect each

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other's lives. How what happens politically, policy things like that.

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That's unfair to both of them. That's unfair. They shouldn't

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have to one shouldn't have to have an effect on

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the way the other one lives because they are two

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completely different cultures. And when cultures clash, you get what

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we've had here for I mean, I wouldn't say eighty years,

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I wouldn't say World War two, but not far after,

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you know, I would say after the sixties, where you

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had a massive people in the culture.

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Speaker 2: Well, at some point America was ruled by people who

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could keep the peace between all these different groups. And

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if you look like a city, look at a city

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like New York, you had a governing class, You had

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a gentry or an elite that was able to articulate,

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you know, the piece between these different groups to a

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certain extent. Right, So, and then if you look at

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someplace like Singapore that has a lot of different ethnicities,

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but still is uniformly articulated peacefully in order to be productive.

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It's not out of the realm of possibility that human

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beings can get along. Many societies have been vectors of

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many different ethnicities throughout history, and somehow there's a ruling

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elite that keeps the peace without imposing their values too

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much on any given or yeah, without infringing too much

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on the values of the people for whom they are

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the patrons. And if the American gentry or the American

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elite was able to maintain its own culture without pushing

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that culture on other people, it seems like we could

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get along a lot better. When you have something like wokeness,

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where the explicit patronage network of dividing people by the

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oppressed oppressed classes and then elevating one and denigrating the

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other in order to maintain power. That is a weak

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form of power. It's not you're no longer articulating piece

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as the elite group. I bring that up just to

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say that I don't know how we go forward with

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racial awareness, let's say, without imposing more chaos on the

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town uprooting people. Let's just say your town is half

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black or quarter black, quarter Latino, half white, or something

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like that. There's got to be a way for those

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groups to get along and to be ruled without them

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having to be segregated by forced by the state. Right,

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as long as the ruling class is able to articulate

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the peace between those groups, it should be fun. Isn't

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that ideal unless we just kind of rejigger our society

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and then you're uprooting people and then you're trashing their

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own histories.

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Speaker 1: Sure, and I think that forced forced the multiculturalism is

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just as just as much of a detriment upon the

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host culture as it is on the visiting culture. Because

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a visiting cultural some would say the invading culture. I'll

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be nice and say the visiting culture. The visiting culture

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is eventually there's a stript away too. Their identity is

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stripped away too. So you mentioned Singapore, and I've yeah,

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that's another one of my I've mentioned Singapore all the

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time too. One of the reasons I mentioned Singapore all

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the time is because they have a multi cultural Asian population.

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And you know, most people, I think most people watching

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this probably know that Asians are much more racist against

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each other than we any racist racism. We've had in

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this country like ever, But also what do they have there?

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They have corporal punishment and they have a very harsh

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rule of law. Spinning gum on the street, you will

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get you will get thrown in jail or caned. You.

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You're talking about a culture where it seems like the

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peace may be kept between a multi race, a multicultural

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society where people really don't like each other, and it's

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kept part of it may be kept by force. Now

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we also know that, like in Japan, people are very

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very polite, will you know. I have a friend who

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lives in Japan for a very long time, and he

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like would he left an iPad in the subway station

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once and like went back four hours later and it

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was still there. You know. So that's a different culture

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than what we're used to. But you're what you're describing

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is something that I've talked about here and talk about

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for here. Is to me, the only way that multiculturalism

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in this country could work in the areas where it

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is multicultural is you basically have to have a standing army.

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So I grew up in New York City. When I

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was growing up in New York City, we had two

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thousand murders a day, murders a year in New York

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City in the Yeah, two thousand murders a day. It's

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not It's not Rwanda, right, not quite, not quite. But no,

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we had we had two thousand murders a year. I mean,

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that's it's insanity. I think the top year when I

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was growing up was like twenty six hundred and one.

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Speaker 2: What decade were you growing up in?

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Speaker 1: This is late seventies, early late seventies into through the

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eighties into the early nineties. How did they clean up

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New York? Okay, well, one of the ways they did

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it was they made it too expensive. They made it

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so expensive that a lot of people couldn't live there,

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so they had to leave.

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Speaker 2: Was that you think that Are you implying that that

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was intentional or was that just kind of a market force?

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Speaker 1: I think it just it was a market force at

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the time. But when Giuliani came into power in New York,

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he did stop in frisk which as a libertarian I

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would always make fun of and now I'm like, eh,

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but he also put I remember going to New York

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in two thousand, No, it was nineteen ninety nine, so

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it's before nine to eleven, and this was during Christmas,

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and there was every other corner on like Fifth Avenue,

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there was two police police officers. So basically what they

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did was they hired an army. I think I don't

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know what it is now since twenty twenty, when a

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lot of police are retired. Now, like twenty nineteen, there

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was like forty four thousand police in New York City.

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You know, that's that's what twenty two times more than

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the population of the town I live in. Yeah, so

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that's like you're talking about, you're talking about an army,

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and that seemed to you know, if you show you

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have a show of force, it doesn't even have to

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be if you have forty four thousand police not most

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of them are probably not going to be elite tactical

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operators who can start taking down people if they pull

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out a rifle, you know, and start shooting. Famously, there

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was a shooting at the Empire State Building in I

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think it was twenty eleven, and somebody jumped out of

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a car shot somebody. The police chased, chased after him,

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stopped them, caught up to them a couple of blocks

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later and unloaded. I think it was twenty six rounds

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on him and hit them with two hit nine bystanders.

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So and I don't believe he was shooting back. And

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so it just basically tells you the like down here,

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if one off and then we have like eight cops

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in this town. If one of them has to shoot,

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they're probably going to be center mass on every shot.

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I mean, that's all these guys do you know, they're

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former military, they're you know, they're this is what this

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is their job, and they take it seriously. And so

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00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,359
when I look at when we talk about Singapore and

476
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,119
we talk about order, and we talk about multicultural societies,

477
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,240
I think they're what you're talking about is you're going

478
00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:01,400
to have to have some kind of what most people

479
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:07,559
would describe as authoritarianism, which is would be a threat

480
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,000
if you step out of line. And I think, you know,

481
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:12,599
I think we used to have that in this country,

482
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,319
and I think it was basically people were unleashed. People

483
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:22,359
were allowed to quote unquote vigilantis do vigilanti activities things

484
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,920
like that when when people stepped out of line. We

485
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:32,480
had fights between former vets of World War Two and

486
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,279
the government. In a section of Tennessee in the late

487
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,599
nineteen forties, So these are things that were in the past,

488
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,480
before we became this gigantic managerial state where everything was

489
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:50,279
about the managers that could be handled on their own,

490
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,920
but that it was all taken the post war consensus.

491
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: Really, just what do you mean by post war consensus?

492
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:04,119
Speaker 1: So after World War Two, it seems like it was

493
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:10,359
decided that, as my friend Thomas says, being too right

494
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:16,119
wing is criminal, and right wing would be associated with

495
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,680
having an opinion on other races except white. You're pretty

496
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,759
free to have opinions on the white race. That's that's

497
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,720
not a problem. Let's see. Well, I think about the

498
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,440
book The Authoritarian Personality by A. Doorno and the and

499
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,920
the Frankfurt School. What do they talk about is that

500
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,519
people who go to people are too religious, people who

501
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:49,480
are too concentrated to have too many kids, people who

502
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,319
just basically what classically how the values that this country

503
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,079
was founded upon, and those have been criminalized, not and

504
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,079
I'm not talking about if you go to church, you're

505
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,880
going to go you're going to go to jail. Now

506
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,319
people look upon you differently. They look upon you, like suspiciously,

507
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:13,960
like you know, you like Well, the whole point of

508
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,480
the authoritarian personality was to come up with the f scale,

509
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:18,640
which was you take this test and it'll tell you

510
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,759
how apt you are to be a fascist towards fascism.

511
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,599
And what was you know, the question of what was fascism?

512
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:30,440
That didn't even matter to the people who were writing this.

513
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:35,000
They just basically said, what looks like traditional families need

514
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,680
to be destroyed, and they set out on doing that

515
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:52,000
and basically tearing down every custom and cultural the cultural

516
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:56,839
heritage that built the country. And the post war consensus

517
00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,720
is basically that, you know, liberalism is the way forward.

518
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:05,160
The people who are in charge, they know better we

519
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,839
you know, listen the whole manager James Burnham is manager

520
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:15,079
or revolution. And yeah, and you you see that. You

521
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,720
anyone who talks about you know, hey, you know, maybe

522
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,160
maybe black people would be better off living around black people,

523
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,200
maybe they maybe we should or here's it, here's an

524
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,319
easier one. Maybe we need to cut off funding, Maybe

525
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:37,359
we we need to people need to be able to

526
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,880
sink or swim on their own. Well no, no, because

527
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,039
of white because of white history. These people are downtrodden.

528
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,640
It's your fault that they can't get get by where

529
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:53,559
you know, we have over fifty years now of money

530
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:57,000
flowing into certain communities, and it doesn't seem to it

531
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,799
seems to have made things worse. And I think in

532
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:03,440
the late fifties Thomas Soul said that the divorce rate

533
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,559
in white families was higher than in black families. So

534
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,920
what happened? I mean, this post this post war consensus

535
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:17,280
that just basically said, basically is liberalism. It was Francis

536
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,119
Fukiyama in the nineteen nineties saying that you know, history,

537
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,239
you know, end of history is here. It's all liberalism

538
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,519
from here on. Now. Well, liberalism seems to be coming

539
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:31,079
crashing to the ground. And we're recording this on January

540
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:34,360
twenty eighth. Trump has been in office for eight days,

541
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,440
and Trump is eight days of being the most anti

542
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,400
liberal president since Nixon.

543
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,519
Speaker 2: Anti liberal or anti FDR anti.

544
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: The same thing. Okay, oh yeah, well, well well let

545
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,760
me status Well yeah, let's call anti. Let's call it

546
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,159
anti post war consensus. Okay, it's an anti anti he

547
00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:03,039
you know, you can also call like the New Deal

548
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:06,719
regime or what did he he called it the other day?

549
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,000
He referred to it as the new Deal?

550
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,639
Speaker 2: Did he literally something?

551
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:14,039
Speaker 1: Really?

552
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: So he's calling it out.

553
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:20,599
Speaker 1: He referred to the New Deal something I can't. I

554
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:27,159
retweeted it. So yeah, so it looks like he's seeking

555
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:33,239
to dismantle all of this and it's probably the biggest

556
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,800
attack on the post war consensus. This this this post

557
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,599
war regime that we've had, and it's working. And I

558
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:46,760
think the reason it's working is people want it. People

559
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,119
people are that's what they elected him to do. And

560
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:52,159
I think that there are even people in power. You

561
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,199
can see it with the tech elites, the way they've

562
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,440
changed and they want to see there. A lot of

563
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,199
them are behind him now and we're really not seeing

564
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,360
a lot of pushback. I mean, look, Pete hag Seth

565
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,800
got was confirmed fifty to fifty in advance, had to

566
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,039
come in. But you know, somebody like somebody like Bessent

567
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:20,000
he he was almost over. He's talking about like ending

568
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,320
the ending the i r S. Yeah, he's taught. He's

569
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:28,440
talking about bitcoin. You know. So it's like, Okay, something

570
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:33,920
is happening here, and it looks like he has the

571
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,400
mandate to start dismantling what has been built since since

572
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,480
the New Deal, since the New Deal regime. Well, that

573
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,000
brings me FDRs fifteen years.

574
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,039
Speaker 2: That brings into question. It's It's one thing to dismantle

575
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,519
that which is persisted for fifty eighty years. But what

576
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:53,320
are people left with?

577
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: What?

578
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,079
Speaker 2: What is the identity? What is the American identity? Post FDR?

579
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,199
What happens to all those disaffected government employees. Maybe they'll

580
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:10,800
get like Jarvin either prophesied or suggested, you just give

581
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,000
them enough money to go buy a house on a

582
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,360
lake and write their novels. You don't kill them, you

583
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,679
don't persecute them. You just send them out to pasture

584
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,719
so they won't be a problem. But there's still a

585
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:26,320
conception of what we are as a country after dismantling.

586
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:28,639
What came to a head, you know, started with FDR

587
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:30,400
and came to a head with Biden. Biden was the

588
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:39,760
perfect representative of that entire system, headless, sclerotic, mumbling, nobody's

589
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:44,320
in control of anything. We're just going to promote identity.

590
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,000
Promote identity. Sniff little children, because we're devouring your children.

591
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,920
We're literally devouring the next generation in order to afford

592
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,840
all this stuff. So it came to a head. Trump

593
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:57,280
Just a side note, it might be some sort of

594
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,639
mandate from heaven that he was shot at and not

595
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,719
got shot because I think that stealed like it hardened

596
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,960
the entire had twenty twenty not happen, I don't think

597
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,400
he would have had the will and the force and

598
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,840
the just complete an utter mandate to do what he's doing.

599
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,119
I don't know how far he's going to do it,

600
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:20,360
But so if he goes after he takes part the irs,

601
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,559
he kicks all the illegals out, starts with the worst

602
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:25,800
of the worst, and then kind of increases it from there.

603
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:30,119
I heard that he cut off federal funding to schools today,

604
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:32,760
So that's going to do a chain reaction with this

605
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:40,159
bloated bureaucratic mechanism called colleges higher education. But what is

606
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:42,000
going to be left in the rubble? So there's going

607
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:44,599
to be the rubble of the deep state. Like do

608
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,639
you have any opinions or thoughts or intuitions about like

609
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,320
how that really does unfold? Like what are we going

610
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,679
to be left with? What is the American identity post Trump?

611
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,719
Or And don't we need some sort of story there

612
00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,679
to keep us together?

613
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah, you need you always need a narrative. You

614
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,719
always you always need a narrative. A what is uh

615
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,119
what do they call it? A load bearing myth? Yeah,

616
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:13,519
I think that's what they call it. Yeah, you need

617
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:17,280
a myth. So what happens after Make America Read Again? Well,

618
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:21,159
let's start with I disagree with Yarvid in that I

619
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,320
think that there has to be like one or two

620
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,519
people that you make an example of, and I'm talking

621
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:27,039
about you put them on trial and you put them

622
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:29,920
in jail. I don't know who that is. I mean

623
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,960
I would immediately say someone like Fauci, someone like Mark Milly,

624
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,039
somebody who had you know, who was way up in

625
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:43,599
the food chain, someone whose name people knows. Because you

626
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:46,840
don't want people to want to You want people to

627
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,760
think twice about doing it in the future. But you do,

628
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,280
you know, get rid of some of these people. I mean,

629
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,440
you can fire them all, pay them for give them

630
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,320
a year, sever and something like that. It's perfectly fun.

631
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:01,239
I don't think you have to give them like you know,

632
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,119
like the d D like the former d DR people

633
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,519
got like you got pensions and everything. I don't know

634
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:11,039
at this point, I don't know that we can pay

635
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:14,559
for that. So you can give them a year, that's

636
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,760
that's fine. That they'll have time. And a lot of

637
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,119
them have been working from home and have two jobs anyway,

638
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:21,960
that's that's come out, so you know, as long as

639
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,679
they didn't quit their other job, they'll still have an

640
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:29,360
income fitting And but yeah, I I I guess the

641
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,719
question is is if you are dismantling all of this,

642
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,880
if you were saying, Okay, we're going to go after

643
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,639
this managerial regime, We're going to go after the unelected

644
00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:42,280
officials who were always there, who are the ones who

645
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,239
you know, can manufacture the manufacture of the war in

646
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,760
u current manufacture, the coup manufacture, but make it to

647
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,800
the point where a leader of a country has no

648
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,039
choice but to invade another country. And people want to say, well,

649
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:00,800
you always have a choice is not to do that.

650
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,039
You don't know your history and you don't know people.

651
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,000
But yeah, I think that's that's an issue. Is right

652
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:15,639
now we're eight days in and we see a lot

653
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:19,679
being torn down. I mean, he's doing you have to admit,

654
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,440
he's doing way more than you thought he was going

655
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,000
to do, right, I mean, to me, if he just

656
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:29,960
pardoned the J six prisoners, that would be like enough,

657
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,000
if he shut the ball, if he just pardoned the

658
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:38,039
J sex prisoners and shut yeah, that'd be enough that

659
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,480
I mean. But he's really it seems like the people

660
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,079
around him were ready for this. I mean he had

661
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:48,159
he was flying osprey there. I saw the video of

662
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:52,039
osprey's being flown over the southern border. Okay. I talked

663
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:56,800
to a friend of mine who's was in the military,

664
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:03,360
and he said, you don't get those things out of it.

665
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,360
You don't get those things off the ground without like

666
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,000
two weeks planning. At least usually it's a month. So

667
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:13,159
there were things, there were things that were happening, things

668
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:16,119
in motion before he even took office. And we know

669
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:19,239
that because I mean he sent he sent what's his name,

670
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,360
I can't remember the guy's name, Whitkough to Israel to

671
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:28,760
you know, tell him hey stop, you know, make the

672
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,360
deal for the hostages. We did that before he even

673
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,599
took office. So he's doing all this stuff. Is he

674
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:40,079
going to completely tear down the managerial regime that has

675
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:45,360
been a leviathan since the nineteen thirties, I don't know.

676
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:48,760
It's gonna be really difficult. So you have to have

677
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,480
some way to push it forward. You have to have

678
00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:54,000
some way that after the four years is over. Well,

679
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,840
you also have to have the will to do it.

680
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:57,920
You have to have the will to keep it going

681
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,480
for four years, you'll and then you get have to

682
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:03,440
find a way to sell what this new thing is

683
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,400
to do. Yeah, yeah, And I think Trump is the

684
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,880
perfect guy to do that because he's the ultimate salesman. Yeah.

685
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,480
I mean there are people, there are people who are

686
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:14,440
always going to hate him, no matter what. Friend of

687
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,840
mine contacted me the other day. He works through some

688
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,039
federal contracts and everything. And his neighbor is you know,

689
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,239
typical progressive liberal but works for the government, has been

690
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,679
working for home and says, I'm not returning to work.

691
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,159
I don't want to go to I don't want to

692
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:33,360
work anywhere but from at home, and I don't want

693
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,800
to go into an office where I'm gonna have to

694
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,519
look at his face on the wall. So you have

695
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:38,320
people who are.

696
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:41,199
Speaker 2: Just especially that photo of that face steering down.

697
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: It's so it's so good, it's so perfect. Because if

698
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,400
you put that in every government office, Oh, who's going

699
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,480
to be able to look at that every day? You know,

700
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:54,679
if you hate him, if you think he's literally hitler,

701
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:56,239
how are you going to be able to look at

702
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,840
him every day? But yeah, it's just if you're going

703
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,000
to continue this dismantling, which I mean, I think if

704
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,320
you have the will to do it, you can do

705
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,599
it in a couple of months. But I don't know

706
00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:10,920
that anyone has the will to do that. But you know,

707
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,320
if it takes a while, well you're going to have

708
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,440
to pass this on to somebody else, and you're going

709
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,119
to have to find that narrative. I think he can

710
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:20,960
find the narrative. I think he can sell it to

711
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:26,400
the people. If if Washington is a ghost town and

712
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,599
you know, Cash Patel is turning the FBI building into

713
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:34,519
a museum to the deep State, I think there are

714
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,760
enough people who are going to celebrate that. Really, all

715
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,519
he has to do is come up with a name,

716
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:41,239
whatever it is.

717
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,079
Speaker 2: Well, but you know, yeah, but no, well it's it's

718
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:49,480
just it's a really big problem. Well, you have the

719
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:53,679
boomer generation going out now, so they have what another

720
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,199
twenty five years in power. They're just going to hold

721
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,880
onto the less And I was being a little facetious there,

722
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:04,360
but you know, but their narrative is based on America

723
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:10,360
the righteous, the victors of World War Two, the protectorate

724
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:14,400
of the global order. We make sure that all the

725
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:20,920
shipping lanes are clean. But if America completely withdraws from that.

726
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,760
That's the whole story. But you saw a few months

727
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,599
ago when Darryl Cooper went on to Tucker Crossman's podcast

728
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:32,199
and Tucker spoke a big game about Darryl, and Darryl

729
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,559
just did a little potshot, facetious potshot against Churchill, against

730
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:40,119
this myth, this founding myth that we are going to

731
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,800
protect the world from any further holocaust and we are

732
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,719
the righteous ones and we are the leaders of the world.

733
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,840
That narrative. I don't know if you can replace that narrative,

734
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,199
but that narrative is definitely long in the tooth, and

735
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:59,400
you need a narrative of similar proportions, maybe not good

736
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:04,960
versus e proportions, but similar weight, similar unifying power in

737
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:09,320
the wake of dismantling that previous narrative, Like, how do

738
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,559
you follow that narrative with another narrative so that that

739
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:16,400
narrative is still People are really defensive about that narrative,

740
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:20,320
So you're gonna have a hard time selling anything else

741
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,920
or even attacking it. But it's kind of it's devolving

742
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,400
on its own. A lot of the a lot of

743
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,320
the things that were sticking points that led to twenty

744
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,440
twenty and the apiosis or the zenith or the meridian

745
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:38,519
of wokeness about the civil rights about you know, these

746
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:43,320
these values of diversity, equity and inclusion and equity could

747
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,559
have been just equality. But it's still the same kind

748
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:49,000
of post war consensus, that whole narrative, like what do

749
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:53,639
we have that has the same sort of will? I mean,

750
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:00,559
what is it? Entrepreneurialism, individualism, do your own thing? Like,

751
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:05,119
what is what is it that electrifying narrative going to

752
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:09,280
be that is going to take the takeover from that

753
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,719
post war consensus, which is a really big, strong narrative.

754
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: Right well, And I think one of the things that

755
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,760
Darryl did was he exposed how much people love their myths,

756
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,679
how much they need them, I mean so much, so

757
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,199
much so that I mean, look, how many people have

758
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,320
just discredited themselves using the term woke right, they had

759
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,519
to create the only that that term. Lindsay came up

760
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:35,199
with that term. I don't know if Lindsay actually came

761
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,719
up with him a couple years ago. It didn't catch on,

762
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:45,280
and then it's like, oh, well, here's our shot. Because

763
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:52,360
progressives and liberals seek to tear down myths, you know,

764
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,639
tear down the myth of the founding, all these myths.

765
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:58,760
That means anyone who's trying to tear down a myth

766
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,440
is just a liberal. It is just a le there

767
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:03,159
just woke. Well, there are some myths that need to

768
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:08,559
be torn down. I'll give you an easy one. Over

769
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:12,920
the past like ten years, the myth of Reagan has

770
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,440
really suffered, has really suffered a lot of people look

771
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:22,519
back on Reagan now and they'll talk about amnesty, the

772
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:27,000
what's the one, the eighty six gun ban which BA

773
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:32,199
which basically made it so that machine guns now, if

774
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:33,639
you want to own a machine gun, you have to

775
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:36,199
put is like twenty five thirty thousand dollars. You can't

776
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:41,360
manufacture new ones, things like that. So, but also just

777
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,280
that Reagan, Reagan really didn't do anything to tear down

778
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,840
the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union fell, fell it from

779
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,840
its own weight. And once you realize that, once people

780
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,039
started realizing that, it's like, so, what did Reagan do? Really?

781
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,960
I mean, he was give amnesty to a lot of

782
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,679
a lot of people who are here illegally or people

783
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:04,000
who were or here who you know, hadn't done hadn't

784
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:09,199
gone through the process properly and just a host of

785
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,039
other things. And he, you know, also paved the way

786
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:16,599
for you know, for Clinton, for Clinton to come in there.

787
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,000
And I don't know if he paved the way so

788
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:23,519
much Clinton. I think Clinton was inevitable. Clinton was because

789
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:26,840
when you have when you have a managerial regime, it's

790
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,280
going when you have a regime where it's just managers,

791
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,920
where you don't have that where there are no experts.

792
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,400
You know, Thomas likes to talk about if Elon Musk

793
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,119
was fifty years ago, Elon Musk sixty years ago, Elon

794
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:40,599
must be working in the government. Government used to go

795
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:43,320
out and find the smartest people, drag them in and

796
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,039
say we need you. You know, but all of these

797
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,159
look at the smartest people in the world, what do

798
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,280
they They're all like tech entrepreneurs. They're all entrepreneurs. They

799
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,039
they I think they saw in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one,

800
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,400
the writing on the wall was this thing is going

801
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,840
to hell? Were we just we just defeated the Soviet

802
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,920
Union and now they want to go into war in

803
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,400
the Middle East, you know, the first Iraqi invasion. And

804
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:12,519
you know, you have someone like Bill Clinton who is

805
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:17,719
just I mean, is a pig. You're you're basically bringing

806
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:26,119
in somebody who's just no, I've just he's he's not

807
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:31,639
a statesman. George H. W. Bush was ten times the

808
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:34,079
statesman that he was. At least you looked at him

809
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:37,119
and you thought, Okay, this person knows something. Then you're

810
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,599
going to bring in some guy who was running drugs

811
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:43,079
through Mina, Arkansas, was running the drug trade through Mina, Arkansas.

812
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,639
It's like, come on, come on. And then you bring

813
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:48,920
George W. Bush in there, and you're like, Okay, now

814
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,039
we have somebody who we have a Bush, we have

815
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:56,000
a legacy. And then what a couple of years in

816
00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:59,719
they stopped giving him his drugs and he just like

817
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,760
a bumbling full go look at the debates from two

818
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,119
thousand and look at the debates in two thousand and

819
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:08,880
four and the debates in two thousand and four. He

820
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,880
can't even talk. He's like stumbling over himself all the time.

821
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,199
He's laughing, he's doing laugh tells and all sorts of

822
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:14,800
weird things.

823
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, so all the experts are the competent people

824
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,800
flood government, leaving government to continue on with just managers.

825
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: It's just people and the only thing, the only job

826
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,400
of the managers is to perpetuate government. It's not to

827
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,239
make government better, it's not to make government more efficient.

828
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:41,320
It is to just make sure the government keeps existing,

829
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,519
so they have jobs and they have some level of power.

830
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:47,000
I mean, you know what happened. You've seen in your

831
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,719
personal life working wherever you've worked, where somebody gets a

832
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,679
little bit of power and they immediately start it gets

833
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,840
to their head and they start abusing it, and it's like, well,

834
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:01,239
you know, I can do this now. So tearing down

835
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,519
I honestly believe in order to go forward, in order

836
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:08,880
for you talked about, you know, what does the future

837
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,719
look like? We tear all this down, and now we

838
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,199
need a new myth. I don't think we can have

839
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:16,960
a new myth until we destroy that old myth. I

840
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,440
think the myth of World War two needs to be destroyed,

841
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:22,239
not that Hitler was a good guy, but that there

842
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,599
were no good guys, That sixty million people died, where

843
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,639
when all people had to do was sit down at

844
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:41,000
a table and talk and yeah, you that has to

845
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:45,039
be destroyed. It the myth that World War Two had

846
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:47,360
to happen, and that when it did happen, it was

847
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,840
a good thing and that you know, anybody really but

848
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:54,559
Russia want so the Union won? I mean, what did

849
00:52:54,599 --> 00:53:01,199
we win? Responsibility for Europe? I guess and responsibility for Europe?

850
00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:03,400
And then what we give give half of it away

851
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,760
to communism? Who we give half of it away to

852
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,840
the to the group that's going to be our enemy

853
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,480
for the next forty one forty three years? Okay? Why

854
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:15,920
that happened? And then you split Europe down the middle

855
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,280
and you have one people living on one side and

856
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,440
people living on another. And you know, I've read books

857
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:25,840
that were written back at the time over which side

858
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,159
would it be better to live on? Would it be

859
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,960
better to live on the side where there's communism? But

860
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:33,960
Stalin isn't telling you you don't have to stop you know,

861
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,559
you don't have to stop being a Hungarian or you

862
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:38,480
live on the other side, you live on the other

863
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:42,079
side of the wall where you're it's trying to turn

864
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:47,159
you into this homogeneous soup of you know, post liberal ideology,

865
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,760
which is really weird. And the way you can tell

866
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,079
this is whenever Germany has elections, look at how the

867
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:59,159
former East Germany votes. They vote conservative, They don't fall

868
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:01,440
for the woke stuff. They don't. Well, the Wolke stuff

869
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,239
doesn't go there.

870
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: And by conservative you mean for Germany.

871
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: Were right wing? Yeah, yeah, immigrants out this weaponized immigration

872
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,159
that you know, the immigration into Europe is much different

873
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:19,280
than the immigration that we have here. Immigration into Europe

874
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,920
is icy as a punishment where they just basically went

875
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,840
into Africa and went into the Middle East and took

876
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,679
every every former gi hottist and empty the mental institutions

877
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,519
and said go to Europe and punished to Europeans for

878
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:43,519
I mean, what World War two? Being white? I don't know, yeah, close,

879
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:46,880
it seems like it's you know, Barbara and respector who

880
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,159
was the head of the PADEA. I think that was

881
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:53,719
the NGO she moved to. She was an American Jew

882
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,079
who moved to Sweden and in two thousand and nine

883
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:00,280
twenty ten, she was on record as saying Europe has

884
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:05,480
to become multicultural or it won't survive. I'm sorry, is

885
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,719
that a threat? If the Europe doesn't become multicultural, we're

886
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,760
going to kill it? Or what does that mean? How

887
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:17,880
is multi How is a multicultural Europe good for Europe?

888
00:55:18,119 --> 00:55:19,719
Or is it only good for one group? Or is

889
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,960
it only good for a certain people of a certain ideology.

890
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see Trump's insofar as he goes as

891
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,199
far as he wants to go or further than we

892
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,360
expected him to go, and does it successfully, you know,

893
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,599
there's going to be some broken eggs whatever that means.

894
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:48,079
I can see Europe growing either testicles or backbone. And

895
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:54,719
I think that his more isolationist, I don't like that word,

896
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,880
but more American centric rather than globalist, as opposed to

897
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:05,960
globalist attitude, demeanor, and activity will allow Europe to stand

898
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,400
on its own, to not be basically vassal states or

899
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,760
you know, just the the progenitors of American idealism, you know,

900
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,239
like the cutting edge of what America wishes it was.

901
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,079
Then they would have to kind of their leadership, or

902
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,840
at least the people will force the leadership to take responsibility,

903
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,440
and then they can kind of figure out what they've been,

904
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:35,039
Like what is the European identity? I don't know. I'm

905
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:37,760
the American who like we were fighting the Russians and

906
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,000
then we won. Europe was just they were half Russian

907
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,159
and half American and then they were what like what

908
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,840
are they now? Like a theme park?

909
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we got the European Union which turns

910
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,800
them into one thing. And I think it was interesting interesting.

911
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,639
I think Trump said yesterday that he's not going to

912
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,239
deal with the European Union, going to deal with with

913
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:06,119
the individual states. Really, yeah, which is what needs to happen.

914
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:09,840
You know, European Union is the facto open borders. I know,

915
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,480
people who are European, who are citizens of European Union,

916
00:57:13,519 --> 00:57:15,800
they can go anywhere they want, they can try there

917
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,880
is so and then once you let people in and

918
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,920
you give them residency, so you have the flooding across

919
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:32,239
the flooding across the Mediterranean from Africa, then you they

920
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,400
go in, they get there. The people who run I

921
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:42,880
mean Germany seems to me it's Germany suicidal. They if

922
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:46,519
they want to the AfD party, which to me seems

923
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:52,719
like like maybe like American from forty years ago. I mean,

924
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:56,280
this isn't like a a not a party that would

925
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,840
even be anything close to national socialism or anything like that,

926
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,800
where they just want to stop immigration. They talk about

927
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:07,480
getting rid of them, like making them illegal. Then they're

928
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:09,280
run by like the head of it is like a

929
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,159
lesbian or yeah, like in spokes.

930
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,639
Speaker 2: German government or the elites and the European Union are

931
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:17,119
wanting to get rid of that party?

932
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:22,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I think the European Union was what

933
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:26,639
they wanted. They wanted an they wanted a united Europe

934
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:31,599
under their ideology, where I would say, when I look

935
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:35,599
at Europe historically, you want Europe to be the separate

936
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:40,679
countries under their each individual ideologies. But apparently people have

937
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:42,960
looked back and said, well, over the last century, that

938
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,280
didn't work out too good. I remember when I remember

939
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:51,119
when the wall fell, when that's it November November ninth,

940
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:58,159
nineteen ninety, nineteen eighty nine, when when you saw East

941
00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:01,119
Germans coming over coming through the wall and they started

942
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:05,400
breaking the wall down, and they started talking about German

943
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,679
German reunification. I remember my dad going, well, they better

944
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,800
they better start planting trees on the side of the

945
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,800
CHAMSI lease, so the Germans can march in in the shade.

946
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:19,880
Like throwing this back in history, because if a united

947
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,079
Germany is a threat to everyone, or or you know,

948
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,760
look at Spain after the Spanish Civil War, which may

949
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,119
may have been one of the most brutal wars in

950
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:33,719
the history of mankind. When you study it closely, you

951
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:40,400
it's hard to even talk about the Franco after that

952
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,599
war just said we're on our own here, I mean,

953
00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:47,559
and he did business with NATO and everything, but he

954
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:49,920
basically said, we are not going to have communism or

955
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,719
we're not going to have leftism here. And after he died,

956
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,400
they did everything, I mean, the people were assassinated to

957
00:59:56,519 --> 00:59:58,599
make that country what it is now. And now you

958
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:06,920
have Franco and Franco and and Primo Rivera. Their their

959
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,239
body is taken out of the Valley of the Fallen

960
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:16,199
and disinterred. And because we can't, we can't celebrate Franco

961
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:20,320
and what he did. Why because he because he he

962
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,519
was one of his country was one of two countries

963
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:29,280
that really gave the left, gave communism a black eye

964
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,880
in the twentieth century. The first, for instance, so that

965
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,119
no one no one even knows about because they hide

966
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:39,000
it so well, the Finnish Civil War, but the but

967
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:42,159
the Spanish Civil War after that, look at so Frank.

968
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:47,320
So anyone who says Spain is for the Spanish, or

969
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:51,559
says German Germany's for Germans, or says Americans for America

970
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,679
Americas for Americans, which I'll admit is a much more

971
01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:57,840
difficult definition. We have to you know, we have to

972
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,519
talk considering you know, I would say, you know, Europeans,

973
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:07,760
then those people are those people are called Nazis, those

974
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:13,199
people are called fascists. And I think countries are better

975
01:01:13,239 --> 01:01:18,480
off when when they're when their stock gets to decide

976
01:01:18,519 --> 01:01:21,280
what what is happening in the inside of them, rather

977
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:26,559
than occupying forces. After a World War they killed sixty

978
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:30,840
to eighty million. Yeah, possibly those are high numbers, but

979
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,400
I mean there's a possibility that it was that high.

980
01:01:33,519 --> 01:01:34,679
Daryl says, sixties.

981
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. America for Americans again, we go back to a

982
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:46,039
place where I mean just practically you can have a

983
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:49,599
ruling elite that's ethnically homogeneous, and I would even I

984
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:52,280
wouldn't even go say American for if we go with

985
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:58,000
America for Americans, we're saying probably wasps in charge, and

986
01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:00,199
then a bunch of ethnic groups that kind of of

987
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,320
fill in niches. And then you can't rid America of

988
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,079
the Native Americans and the blacks. You can't rid the blacks.

989
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:12,679
They have every claim to anybody who's here any less

990
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:16,599
than them, But there can be how do I it's

991
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:19,360
really it's really difficult to even talk about it racially

992
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,840
like some sort of cast system. But it gets back

993
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,440
to the flip side of the post war consensus about

994
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:34,639
liberal seeing any sort of non globalist solidarity, or any

995
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:39,840
sort of non propositional solidarity, any sort of genetic or

996
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:48,800
ethnic solidarity, or even realism or even scientific discussions around

997
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:53,079
the differences of race as fascism. Like, it's not just

998
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:56,840
tearing down the post war consensus, but it's also ridding

999
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,199
the world of this boogeyman of fascism, whatever it is,

1000
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:05,519
and really reconstructing whatever it was that is, well the

1001
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:11,599
gravitational force of that black, dark evil thing of fascism,

1002
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,440
and really examining, well, what is it, what is it,

1003
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:20,920
what can it be? And is it necessarily genocidal? Is

1004
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:26,119
it necessarily conflict oriented? Because we do have to America

1005
01:03:26,159 --> 01:03:29,679
can't go back to it. It never was ethnically pure

1006
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:35,039
or homogeneous. It was never homogenous. Then in the fifties

1007
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,480
on a media level, it was kind of homogenized a

1008
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:41,760
little bit. But we are kind of children of the

1009
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,159
nineties in a way. We are kind of we have

1010
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:47,159
to make some sort of peace. So I mean, I

1011
01:03:47,159 --> 01:03:49,400
guess I'm just trying to figure out how do you

1012
01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:52,800
have non fascist fascism or how do you have a

1013
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:59,800
right that isn't isn't whatever fascism means, And then you

1014
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:01,360
have because you're going to have to get the liberals

1015
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,599
on board too, because the liberals are the inheritors of

1016
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:08,360
the elite systems, and you can't just destroy them. They're

1017
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:13,079
gonna still be the ones teaching children. You can restrain

1018
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:18,599
them to put like, you know, gag orders around certain

1019
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,199
ideologies that they propagate, but they're still the smartest, you know,

1020
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:25,960
block of people on average, So they're still going to

1021
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,360
be taking over your managerial sector. And you can't get

1022
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:34,440
away from managerialism managerialism either because of just how many

1023
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:37,239
people there are that need to be managed. There still

1024
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,639
has to be some sort of managerial buffer. So I

1025
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:44,800
just don't know, like, what is this fascism that, what's

1026
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,719
wrong about it? What's real about it? And where do

1027
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,000
we go from here? And what part of that is ethnic?

1028
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:51,519
And how do you deal with the fact that we

1029
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:53,800
are multi ethnic multicultural.

1030
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,639
Speaker 1: I don't know how we got into fascism, but I

1031
01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:01,639
mean I'll run with it. I mean, all I see

1032
01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:06,920
fascistm is is the is nature is how nature is run.

1033
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,119
People want to be around people who they want to

1034
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:13,639
be around, and all groups are like that, and forcing

1035
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:19,840
them to integrate is well. I think forcing them integrate

1036
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,519
is not fair to any of them, to either group

1037
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:26,480
or or whatever, however many groups it is. And I

1038
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:33,400
think multiculturalism has without an authoritarian bent, has proven to

1039
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:38,320
be a failure. I don't I don't think it's a

1040
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,440
coincidence that every time Bernie Sanders talks about a country

1041
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:47,000
that he, you know, thinks is like Norway or Sweden.

1042
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,280
Before they were weaponized with immigration from Africa and the

1043
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:55,960
Middle East, these were countries that were homogeneous. A country

1044
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:59,360
like Iceland, a country like I've been to Iceland. They

1045
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,519
have a have an app, a dating app there that's

1046
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:05,679
not for dating. It is to put your name and

1047
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,800
your potential partner's name in so you can find out

1048
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:14,360
how related you are, because that's that's what that island is.

1049
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,360
It's an island at three hundred thousand people who are

1050
01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:20,559
basically all related to each other. That's why they there's

1051
01:06:20,599 --> 01:06:23,800
no murder rate there when there is a murder, When

1052
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,119
there is a murder, it's usually somebody who's visiting there.

1053
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:31,440
It's also a different culture, it's a different people it's

1054
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:36,679
a Northern European people, and they they're also a gigantic

1055
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,239
call it. It's called a welfare state, kind of a

1056
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:45,559
welfare state. But also people don't have a tendency to

1057
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:49,760
be okay with welfare when it's for their family. And

1058
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,400
you know, that's one of the problems you have here

1059
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,039
is as soon as you start welfare here, well now

1060
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:59,760
you have what twenty special interest groups vying for it,

1061
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,519
saying it they deserve it more than another group. It

1062
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:04,519
should be more. I should get more of it here.

1063
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:09,000
This group over here they're doing too well to have it.

1064
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:13,360
I mean, I just think that homogeneity is, you know,

1065
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:19,719
people who can embrace a culture, then those are the

1066
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:22,440
people that should be together. And if that's called fascism,

1067
01:07:22,519 --> 01:07:25,519
I mean, if so be it. Whatever. Most people just

1068
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:33,639
wanted to associate fascism with with Mussolini's Italy or Nazi Germany,

1069
01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:37,159
and I mean they were national socialists and they were

1070
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,320
very different from the Italians in their belief and in

1071
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,679
their structure. So you know, fascism is just basically a

1072
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:49,400
fjard of it at this point for people, it's a

1073
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,719
hurl at people to shut them down, to just shut

1074
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:56,559
anyone who wants to have a conversation that is opposed

1075
01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:01,320
to the post war consensus or liberalism or progressivism, than

1076
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:07,760
they're they're a fascist. And that's fine. I don't I'll

1077
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,519
take all the names as long as there is like, well,

1078
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:13,280
why are you calling me this? If you're calling me

1079
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,039
this because I believe this, well I believe this. Whatever

1080
01:08:16,119 --> 01:08:18,000
label you want to put on to it is fine.

1081
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:20,479
But when you do something like when when the wolk

1082
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,920
right thing came around, I mean that was just literally

1083
01:08:23,239 --> 01:08:28,399
like after October seventh, I noticed this, uh, this new

1084
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:35,399
propaganda that because the first people who were openly protesting

1085
01:08:36,119 --> 01:08:40,880
Israel's response in Gaza were like leftists on campus, like

1086
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,199
what you would consider campus leftists, anyone on the right

1087
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:46,800
who actually was like yeah, this is wrong too, Well,

1088
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:52,359
you're just a leftist then, or if you say, if

1089
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:57,720
you try to talk about how like where where the

1090
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:04,279
like maybe what the backgrounds of everyone in the Frankfort

1091
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:07,680
school was, you know, A wait a minute, now you're

1092
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,920
you're now you're identifying people by their by what they are,

1093
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:14,760
like like like the left does with white people. So

1094
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,359
now you're woke. So you're a leftist. Now, okay, whatever.

1095
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:24,319
I mean, I'm whatever, how do you do this with

1096
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:27,439
people in the United States? It's in the United States.

1097
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,439
I think it's very easy. We have to allow people

1098
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,960
to have freedom of association and people to move wherever

1099
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,640
they want, and we have to allow for some kind

1100
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,840
of de facto secession. If not, Djeri, I mean, if not,

1101
01:09:40,199 --> 01:09:43,640
you know, real secession. And I think that's really the

1102
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,920
only way going forward. And I think you're seeing you're

1103
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,000
seeing it already. I think you really started to see

1104
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,520
it in twenty twenty when I mean, you know how

1105
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,319
many people I knew personally move who moved to Florida

1106
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,000
in twenty twenty to get away from the COVID regime

1107
01:09:59,239 --> 01:10:02,760
of states they were in or soon after in twenty

1108
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,279
twenty one. I mean, I lived right outside of Atlanta

1109
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:07,880
in twenty twenty one, and I couldn't get out of Atlanta,

1110
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,600
get out of that area quick enough because it was

1111
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,159
still it was still bad. It was even the governor.

1112
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:17,880
Even though the governor would would be like, all right,

1113
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,079
you know, know all this COVID resime stuff goes away,

1114
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,560
you still had them pushing mandates. You still have I mean,

1115
01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:30,399
like vaccine mandates for selling companies Oh, it's okay for you.

1116
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:32,399
You know, you're a private company. You can do whatever

1117
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,880
you want if you want to mandate that they have

1118
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,600
to work, but then they would put pressure on them

1119
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,520
to do it. So I think the easiest thing is

1120
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,520
that people just need to break up and people need

1121
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,159
to go and and I know of I know this happening.

1122
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,880
I know it happening in one place specifically where it

1123
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,239
seems to be very organic, where it wasn't planned. I

1124
01:10:53,279 --> 01:10:56,239
know another place where it's a planned community. And as

1125
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:00,319
soon as as soon as like post war consensus, people,

1126
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,359
you know, liberals, people who've butt into the liberal progressive

1127
01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:07,960
worldview find out, they immediately say they're fascists. Oh look

1128
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,239
at all these fascists moving into the same community so

1129
01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:12,359
they can all be together. What are they planning on doing.

1130
01:11:14,119 --> 01:11:17,359
Maybe they're just planning on getting away from you. Maybe

1131
01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:22,640
it's just that simple. Maybe these people think that, yeah,

1132
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,199
you people are you know, the people in the White House,

1133
01:11:26,279 --> 01:11:29,239
this deep state are going to cause World War III,

1134
01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:32,800
and that missiles are going to fly, and that nukes

1135
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,880
are going to fly, and they're getting somewhere where they

1136
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,880
think that they can wait it out and they won't

1137
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:42,159
touch them. Why don't you mind your business? Just mind

1138
01:11:42,199 --> 01:11:45,159
your business. I don't care what these people do in

1139
01:11:45,159 --> 01:11:48,479
New York. I would love to see New York waldoff

1140
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,880
and watch them meet each other. Because they can't produce anything.

1141
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:54,840
They can't grow their own food. They can't They rely

1142
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,039
on everything from the outside. They rely on basically everything

1143
01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:02,600
from all the people they hate. You know, the area

1144
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,600
I live in is one of the big If you

1145
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,359
buy eggs in this country, a good chance comes from

1146
01:12:09,359 --> 01:12:13,039
the area I live in. Beef two. Okay, what if

1147
01:12:13,079 --> 01:12:18,039
we just stop that? Okay, you where's your food coming from?

1148
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,439
It doesn't have to be like that. All you need

1149
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,119
to do is all we need to do is leave

1150
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:27,159
each other alone. We can even trade, we can even

1151
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:31,600
do we can even trade, we can do business. But

1152
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,159
when it comes to our culture, leave us alone and

1153
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:37,880
you can have your culture up there. And I still

1154
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,239
think there's going to be problems with that. I still

1155
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:44,039
think that, you know, if they'll look over and be like,

1156
01:12:45,279 --> 01:12:47,720
you know, these progressives will be like, okay, so we

1157
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,119
split up and we don't have to deal with these

1158
01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:51,159
people anymore. We can make all the laws we want

1159
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:54,199
and everything about you know, abortion up to nine months

1160
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:56,439
and one day we don't care. Wait a minute, they

1161
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:01,079
banned abortion over there. They can't. But then again, there's

1162
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:04,319
people on this side of the this side who would

1163
01:13:04,359 --> 01:13:06,640
be like, look, they have abortions to nine months and

1164
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:11,000
one day we have to go do something. Yeah, you can't.

1165
01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:14,279
You can't get away from this. So what is what?

1166
01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:18,000
What is the answer? I don't know what the answer

1167
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:21,800
is to that impulse now when I know that there

1168
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,359
are there are cultures all over the world that completely

1169
01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:29,039
offend me. Yet if I had control of the government,

1170
01:13:29,079 --> 01:13:32,159
I would not want to go over there and even

1171
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:35,479
engage them. I just would not do business with them,

1172
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:39,520
not have any relations with them whatsoever. I'm willing to

1173
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:44,720
leave people alone. The problem is is that one thing

1174
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,720
these progressives and liberals and post war consensus people has proven,

1175
01:13:49,159 --> 01:13:53,800
have proven they're never going to leave us alone.

1176
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: So I mean, what is the how do you impose

1177
01:13:57,079 --> 01:14:04,000
restraints answers? Yeah, it's like I've been going through mentious

1178
01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:11,479
mollbugs work Again, there's these really fun somebody through unqualified

1179
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:15,640
reservations into an Orson Wells AI. So you have Orson

1180
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,279
Wells reading IRB and it's hilarious. It's very funny, buddy,

1181
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:24,560
I was listening through why I'm not a libertarian, and

1182
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,760
he just he kind of gets into he gets into

1183
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,399
the circular logic of like a minimum government or what

1184
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,840
restrains government? How do you have a limited government, because

1185
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,000
you need to have a government that limits government, So

1186
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:39,079
ultimately you don't really have a limited government. You have

1187
01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:43,479
a total government that decides to leave some things alone, apparently,

1188
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,079
And I think that from the liberal point of view,

1189
01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:51,720
the classical liberal point of view, they I think that

1190
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,159
everybody wants power. Everybody wants to be able to tell

1191
01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:56,720
her everybody else wants what to do. And the liberals

1192
01:14:57,239 --> 01:14:59,199
edge on that is to say, I'm going if you

1193
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:02,039
give me all the power, that was cool. If you

1194
01:15:02,039 --> 01:15:04,960
give me all the power, I'll tell everybody else not

1195
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:05,600
to do anything.

1196
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: Right.

1197
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 2: If you give me all the power, then I'll protect

1198
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,239
you from people who will tell you what to do.

1199
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:13,119
So I'm going to tell everybody what to do.

1200
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: You know.

1201
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 2: It's that repressive tolerance thing. And because there's a even

1202
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,600
if you talk about just the whites, you have the

1203
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,520
whites that want to control everybody and the whites who

1204
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,479
want to be left alone because they're smart enough to

1205
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,800
get along to go along. And then there's the midwits

1206
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,960
who want to have this really cozy managerial state that

1207
01:15:37,399 --> 01:15:41,439
gives lip service to some sort of deracinated patriotism. It's

1208
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,840
not tied to the land, it's not tied to any

1209
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,279
given people. It's tied to these ideas, and anybody who

1210
01:15:47,359 --> 01:15:51,560
can plug these ideas into their head can just become

1211
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,279
a liberal. And that's who belongs in this country, and

1212
01:15:54,319 --> 01:15:56,800
everybody else doesn't belong in the country. But they still

1213
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:01,520
want to control, They want to control the Overton window.

1214
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,560
I love it. It's it's hilarious to me that the

1215
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,720
people who were kicked out of the left for being

1216
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:10,079
moderates are now trying to police the right for not

1217
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:11,159
being moderate enough.

1218
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: Always happens, and I.

1219
01:16:13,119 --> 01:16:17,079
Speaker 2: Understand, I understand the impulse, But the right still does

1220
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:20,960
need to make the case for itself clearly to people

1221
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,399
who are scared or who are who have bought into

1222
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:31,600
this deep fear that's implanted within liberalism of authority. Like

1223
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:36,439
the right, the authoritarians need to articulate what true authority is.

1224
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,760
And I see a lot of it. I try not

1225
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,600
to make it identity politics, but I see a lot

1226
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,560
of it. And this is this isn't about women or men.

1227
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,000
But I see a lot of liberals who have forsaken

1228
01:16:49,079 --> 01:16:54,760
authority or have just deep daddy issues. Ultimately they end

1229
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:58,279
up acting out like this more and more feminized sort

1230
01:16:58,279 --> 01:17:02,840
of war mongering, which is about reputation destruction, because they

1231
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,680
don't really have a sense of obedience and authority or

1232
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,840
loyalty either. They have these ideas. And one of the

1233
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:14,119
things that attracts me to the online right, the dissident right,

1234
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,600
whatever it's morphing into is that you have a number

1235
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:24,319
of different men, specifically men who've kind of decided to

1236
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:30,359
stand on their own feet and make peace with hierarchy

1237
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:35,239
and then start to experiment with scaling that hierarchy. And

1238
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:38,159
I see the liberals being really really scared of hierarchy

1239
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:41,640
for psychological reasons, but also because they don't think that

1240
01:17:43,399 --> 01:17:48,239
I they don't think that hierarchy should exist anymore, or

1241
01:17:48,279 --> 01:17:52,039
they should be at the top of the hierarchy. So

1242
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:56,800
I wonder what your explorations of that is, or your

1243
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:57,800
point of view on that is.

1244
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:04,520
Speaker 1: That was a lot yeah crap, no, yeah, well yeah.

1245
01:18:05,319 --> 01:18:07,600
Once you start thinking about these things and you realize

1246
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,560
just how complicated they are you can just go you

1247
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,680
can just talk for minutes and you're just like a

1248
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,039
circle and came out. I went all the way out there,

1249
01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:22,600
came back here understanding. Oh no, of course. You know.

1250
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,359
One thing I would say is you start off talking

1251
01:18:24,359 --> 01:18:28,399
about the gatekeepers, how you have these the left left

1252
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,239
me types and they come over id the intellectual dork

1253
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:35,439
web types who come over and immediately start to.

1254
01:18:35,359 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 2: Pure my people. Just to be totally.

1255
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: Clear there, they're a bunch of dorks. It's fine, I'm

1256
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,600
a dork too. There's a lot of things I'm a

1257
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,359
dork on, all right. But you know, one thing that

1258
01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:47,920
I noticed about the left and the right just hasn't

1259
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,840
figured out. I guess if there's one thing, one message

1260
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:55,239
that I would like to put out there is when

1261
01:18:55,239 --> 01:18:59,840
the left has power, they not only get their radicals elected,

1262
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,439
they patronize their radicals. I mean, they become patrons to

1263
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:08,000
their radicals. They'll give them six figure no show jobs,

1264
01:19:08,079 --> 01:19:12,039
and I mean all sorts of things. The right cancels

1265
01:19:12,039 --> 01:19:17,680
their radicals. Anyone to the right of Jonah Goldberg and

1266
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,680
like the con inc kind of world is, they're going

1267
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,119
to try and cancel you. And that's one of the

1268
01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:27,920
things where the left left me kind of people. That's

1269
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,680
what they seek to do, is anyone to their right. Well,

1270
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,520
this is dangerous because classic I remember a couple of

1271
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,520
years ago James Lindsay put out he said, talking about

1272
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:44,720
the woke that classical liberalism is going to be what

1273
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:49,520
destroys it. And classical liberalism hasn't even started yet. And

1274
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,279
there's this, there's this, this meme that's gone around forever,

1275
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,840
like real communism has never been tried. Real libertarianism, it's

1276
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,960
like real So what real classical liberalism has never been tried.

1277
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,279
I think we tried it. I think it's been going on.

1278
01:20:03,319 --> 01:20:06,680
I mean, I think classical liberalism was a big inspiration

1279
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,600
on the founding of this country. And they study even

1280
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,279
though a lot of them were Christians, and a lot

1281
01:20:12,319 --> 01:20:16,279
of them were Bible believing Christians, seven day creationist Christians,

1282
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,000
they bought into a lot of the Enlightenment. They also

1283
01:20:19,039 --> 01:20:23,239
bought into a lot of English legal theory going all

1284
01:20:23,239 --> 01:20:26,359
the way back to the Magna Carta and individual rights.

1285
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:32,760
And I agree with individual rights within a collective. If

1286
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:37,720
your individuality, if you wanting to be an individual, destroys

1287
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:41,640
the collective, destroyed it starts to if too many people

1288
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,159
decide they want to become individuals and they don't care

1289
01:20:44,199 --> 01:20:48,760
about the people around them, Well, I mean, this is

1290
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:53,359
what a multicultural society breeds is. You just don't care

1291
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,119
about your own You don't care about people who are

1292
01:20:56,119 --> 01:20:59,359
from somewhere else, who are from a different culture as

1293
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,760
much as you your own people. And you can even

1294
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,840
see that in liberalism, and you can see where you

1295
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,039
get people kicked out of liberalism all the time. Or

1296
01:21:08,039 --> 01:21:09,760
you have the left left me kind of people who

1297
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,359
walk out of liberalism all the time, but most of

1298
01:21:12,399 --> 01:21:16,000
the time they're pushed out because they started. You know,

1299
01:21:16,279 --> 01:21:20,960
oh you know I'm a radical feminist. Well no, now

1300
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,479
I'm a turf. Yeah. It's like I mean, I remember

1301
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,359
one time I was just like I just can't get

1302
01:21:25,399 --> 01:21:27,680
down with this like trend stuff, and the person called

1303
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,239
me a turf, and I'm like, you think I'm a

1304
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:34,760
radical feminist? Are you in? Are you insane? This is

1305
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,640
what your bubble is teaching you. I mean that you

1306
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,600
would call me a radical feminist someone who I would

1307
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,760
repeal the Nineteenth Amendment in a second if I had

1308
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,239
the power to do it. I mean, sorry, it's.

1309
01:21:47,119 --> 01:21:49,039
Speaker 2: Just if you think.

1310
01:21:51,079 --> 01:21:55,319
Speaker 1: Ever since the nineteenth Amendment has has been passed, we've

1311
01:21:55,319 --> 01:21:59,039
only had one elected vice president or president with facial

1312
01:21:59,039 --> 01:22:02,199
hair JD. Events.

1313
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:04,119
Speaker 2: He's the first one.

1314
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:07,520
Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe, maybe that's a sign that things are changing.

1315
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,520
Speaker 2: The bearded the bearded statesman return it.

1316
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: You're going to say something apodraz No, it's.

1317
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 2: A if you look at the pattern of the left

1318
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,920
left mes and I guess I kind of had the

1319
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:28,880
same pattern in some form or again the I d

1320
01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:32,560
W or kind of how I came into this conversation

1321
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,880
and the framework that I was using until I kept

1322
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,960
on asking questions. But the thing, the pattern of their

1323
01:22:40,079 --> 01:22:44,920
cancelation is that the liberal that decides to stand on

1324
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,880
a line or to defend a boundary, whether that's the

1325
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:53,199
differences between men or women, or I don't know, any

1326
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:57,560
sort of encroachment on yeah, any sort of We want

1327
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,399
to erode hierarchy, but we don't want reality. So I'm

1328
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,560
going to make my stand here. Invariably, it's the line

1329
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:09,680
that they draw that gets them kicked out. And it's

1330
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:14,840
really interesting, it's fascinating psychology because then they get really wary,

1331
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,000
they go into the homeless camp, and then they at

1332
01:23:18,039 --> 01:23:20,439
once start to try to draw lines, you know, and

1333
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,840
try to like arrange the deck chairs for everybody else,

1334
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:27,399
arrange the furniture. But they're always really you can kind

1335
01:23:27,399 --> 01:23:30,600
of sense this fear or this wariness in the very

1336
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:34,279
least against the boundary drawing that the right is willing

1337
01:23:34,319 --> 01:23:38,680
to accept, Like they don't want the boundaries drawn. So

1338
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,880
there's still there's still liberals in that they don't want boundaries,

1339
01:23:42,359 --> 01:23:46,439
they want some So they're still trying to figure out,

1340
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:49,279
like they're in this gray area of like they want

1341
01:23:49,319 --> 01:23:52,439
some boundaries, not other boundaries. They want to negotiate boundaries,

1342
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,199
and I'm there too, I'm like, well, who's going to

1343
01:23:54,279 --> 01:23:57,439
draw the boundaries? And like, ultimately I would like this

1344
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:02,359
kind of libertarian marketplace that will allow people to collectively,

1345
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,239
you know, live their lives and leave other people alone.

1346
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,840
But it's just there's so much middle ground. How do

1347
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:13,600
we carve up that? How do how do we keep

1348
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:17,239
people from imposing boundaries on other people? Well, you need

1349
01:24:17,279 --> 01:24:19,640
a boundary maker to do that, So you're back in

1350
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,359
this circular logic with authoritarianism. I just get lost in

1351
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,039
this question.

1352
01:24:26,079 --> 01:24:30,319
Speaker 1: But it always comes back to some form of monarchy.

1353
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:32,640
Whether you want to call it CEO, whether you want

1354
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:33,840
to call it a king, whether you want to call

1355
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:39,920
it executive. Yeah, executive. You want someone to make decisions,

1356
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:42,239
to be the final arbiter, so that you have someone

1357
01:24:42,279 --> 01:24:47,279
to blame it on. Tell me right now, who were

1358
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:52,439
on January nineteenth before Trump took office. Name me the

1359
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,760
person in the government working in the government, elected or

1360
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,680
not elected, who is responsible for what the government has become.

1361
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:04,680
You can't do it. That's what managerialism is. It's just

1362
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,840
as endless group of men. You know. I remember people saying,

1363
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,319
you know, talk about every once in a while, you'll

1364
01:25:10,319 --> 01:25:12,840
have some idiots about, you know, overthrow the government. I'm like,

1365
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,920
how would you do that. There's no head to the snake.

1366
01:25:17,399 --> 01:25:22,600
There's no head to the snake. You could I'm not

1367
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:27,000
advocating this, I'm using this as an example. You can

1368
01:25:27,039 --> 01:25:29,760
blow up Congress while it's in session. Does that end

1369
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:36,279
the government? We've had a president assassinated before, we've had multiple,

1370
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:39,439
but I mean, at least in nineteen sixty three, did

1371
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:43,600
that end the government? No? It is this monster that

1372
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:48,760
just keeps going because it's managerial. There's no one at

1373
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:52,319
the top now in a monarchy, sure, if a monarch

1374
01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:57,520
is deposed, is deposed, you have someone who steps in

1375
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,479
and takes their place. Okay, at least you know who's

1376
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,239
in charge. At least you know who's making the decisions.

1377
01:26:04,279 --> 01:26:08,880
At least you know who to blame you. I used

1378
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:10,760
to say this in my libertarian days. It was like,

1379
01:26:11,159 --> 01:26:15,279
I think local government is preferable to any kind of

1380
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:20,279
government because you're going to know where your mayor lives. Yeah,

1381
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,800
so you can reach out and touch your You can

1382
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,159
reach out and touch them. And what I mean by

1383
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:26,920
that is you can knock on his door and say, hey,

1384
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:31,239
I don't agree with this, that any other way. But yeah,

1385
01:26:31,279 --> 01:26:37,159
I mean until that's the one thing. Yeah, in my opinion,

1386
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:39,119
one of the reasons World War One was fought was

1387
01:26:39,159 --> 01:26:43,720
to end monarchies, was to end you know, and any

1388
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,399
kind of monarchical power. I mean, you still had monarchies after,

1389
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,800
but they were very parliamentary. I mean even you even

1390
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:55,000
if you go back centuries in Spain, the courts has

1391
01:26:55,039 --> 01:26:59,960
pretty much their their version of a parliament ran everything,

1392
01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:03,319
and even their elites. When you really dig into their history,

1393
01:27:03,359 --> 01:27:07,079
elites were pretty much moving, always moving the king and

1394
01:27:07,359 --> 01:27:11,359
queen one way or another. But you still have one

1395
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,840
person to blame. You still have one person. You you're

1396
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:22,279
you're gathered, you're you're organized around one person. And that's

1397
01:27:22,279 --> 01:27:25,119
what the most that's what the most important thing, in

1398
01:27:25,119 --> 01:27:27,439
my opinion, that's what the most important thing is is

1399
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:32,800
one person making the decisions. And I think that person

1400
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:37,720
should have should maybe even have a stake, a financial stake.

1401
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:43,239
And how well the society society does take Liechtenstein. For

1402
01:27:43,399 --> 01:27:47,560
most people don't even know about Lichtenstein. His little principality

1403
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:52,079
in the middle in Germany, and it's independent. They have

1404
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:54,319
a king. I think his name is alois Now. His

1405
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,640
dad was Hans Adams the Second and I read I

1406
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:01,560
read Hans Adams the second book, the third, The State,

1407
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,399
and the third Millennia, and is really really good. I mean,

1408
01:28:04,399 --> 01:28:09,359
this is a guy who basically said, if you don't

1409
01:28:09,359 --> 01:28:11,399
want to pay taxes, you don't have to pay taxes.

1410
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,359
He owns his own he's the CEO of a major

1411
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,880
of an international corporation which pretty much funds the whole

1412
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:23,479
this whole principality of twenty to thirty thousand people. Okay,

1413
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:25,800
they've sent people off to war before, but they haven't

1414
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:31,520
been pulled into war what why not. You know, Hans

1415
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,439
Harman Hoppat when he wrote his book Democracy, The God

1416
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:38,039
They Failed, very popular book. I I think everyone should

1417
01:28:38,079 --> 01:28:41,199
read it because he at least makes the argument. In

1418
01:28:41,279 --> 01:28:46,720
the beginning. He takes the stance that monarchy is preferable

1419
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,960
to democracy, and he explains why. And he I mean,

1420
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,800
he doesn't just explain it in a page. He takes

1421
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,960
chapters to explain, Okay, this is the way democracy works,

1422
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,920
this is the way monarchy works. And you know what

1423
01:28:59,039 --> 01:29:03,800
he basically is his whole goal. And then through a

1424
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,159
speech of his from nineteen ninety seven called what must

1425
01:29:06,199 --> 01:29:10,319
be Done, which sounds a lot like Lenin's what is

1426
01:29:10,359 --> 01:29:12,720
to be Done? And I mean democracy of the God

1427
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,399
that Failed is taken from communism, the God that Failed.

1428
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:22,039
His he studied under Habermas in Germany, so I mean

1429
01:29:22,119 --> 01:29:24,960
he came out of communism, and you know, he embraced

1430
01:29:25,039 --> 01:29:28,760
libertarianism in our hoo capitalism eventually, I can't go as

1431
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,279
far as in our capitalism makes absolutely no sense to me,

1432
01:29:31,319 --> 01:29:34,920
and it's globalism to me. It's globalist in nature. But

1433
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:39,319
what he said was in his speech what must be done,

1434
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,560
is that we need to get down to ten in

1435
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,079
the United States, it needs to be ten thousand ligtensteins.

1436
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:48,840
You need ten thousand city states. That's the way you

1437
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:51,680
have order. You have a bunch of people who come together.

1438
01:29:52,039 --> 01:29:55,159
You can still have you can still have a confederation

1439
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:59,239
like the country, like how the country started. Where if

1440
01:29:59,239 --> 01:30:03,600
there's any feign if there far an adversary, any foreign threats.

1441
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,439
But as long as you don't have this big, gigantic,

1442
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:17,159
powerful monol, this leviathan that is you know, always swims left,

1443
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:21,439
as Jarvin says, which it does, then you can you

1444
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:28,159
can concentrate on organizing around what you have in common,

1445
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,680
not what your differences are. I mean, basically our governance

1446
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:36,159
now is based upon what our differences are. It's how

1447
01:30:36,199 --> 01:30:43,319
do you deal with different warring factions within within a pology.

1448
01:30:44,399 --> 01:30:50,600
And they just sure, when Europe was individual countries, you

1449
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,159
have the European Union, and you had Germans and you

1450
01:30:53,159 --> 01:30:56,560
had Frenchmen. You had sure there were wars, they were

1451
01:30:57,119 --> 01:31:03,079
very local, small wars. Every once in a while, you know,

1452
01:31:03,279 --> 01:31:05,039
some people be like, well, what about thirty years War?

1453
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:09,680
What about yeah? You know until yeah, but you know

1454
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,840
about that because that was an anomaly. You don't know

1455
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,359
about the little skirmishes. You don't know about the border

1456
01:31:16,399 --> 01:31:19,920
skirmishes because that was something that happened all the time.

1457
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,199
But you know about you know, most people don't know that,

1458
01:31:23,319 --> 01:31:26,319
like China and India right now are trading shots on

1459
01:31:26,359 --> 01:31:29,720
their border. They're trading they're fighting on their own border.

1460
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,680
People don't know that China and Vietnam shoot at each

1461
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,920
other at the on the border they share all the time.

1462
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:40,199
Why because it's not it that's that's the way it is.

1463
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,960
That's the way that that part of the world works.

1464
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:45,760
And that's the way Europe used to work. And we

1465
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:49,800
didn't get World Wars until we had to. You know,

1466
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:55,840
some powerful people decided that monarchy needed to be broken

1467
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:59,000
down and we needed to enter into this age of

1468
01:32:00,079 --> 01:32:04,439
American liberalism of yeah yeah, and you know, you saw

1469
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,319
what what was what were the white blood cells against that,

1470
01:32:07,359 --> 01:32:10,840
It was fascism. And then and then you had that

1471
01:32:13,319 --> 01:32:18,119
monster up north called communism and you know this the

1472
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:22,800
Revolution in nineteen seventeen, which just changed everything. Because not

1473
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:26,600
only is Europe or certain European states being attacked after

1474
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:30,720
World War One to become, you know, to become to

1475
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:34,399
change what they are, but they also have the threat

1476
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:39,520
of an international, an international thinking kind of. I mean,

1477
01:32:40,319 --> 01:32:43,840
it's anyone who says that Russia was that Soviet Union

1478
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,520
wasn't going to invade Europe is absolutely the same. I mean,

1479
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:52,079
they were on the side of the regime in uh,

1480
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:55,640
on the side of the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War,

1481
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,720
and the Republicans were the Republicans in name only. Their

1482
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:02,760
biggest allies were commune and anarchists and left liberty tarians.

1483
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:08,760
So yeah, to believe that if Spain would have lost,

1484
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,520
if Franco would have lost the Spanish Civil War in

1485
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:15,760
nineteen thirty nine, so Union would have had been on

1486
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:19,800
the north, been organized on the north, and would be

1487
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:23,840
organized and would have basically Gibraltar and the south south

1488
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,159
of the peninsula. All they would need to do is

1489
01:33:26,199 --> 01:33:28,520
to close in and they could take the whole peninsula

1490
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:33,079
of Europe. So how did I get there?

1491
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:38,600
Speaker 2: The World War One? The end of monarchy?

1492
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:41,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, monarchy kill me this threat.

1493
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:45,199
Speaker 2: And then the internationalists, mercantile class, yeah, wanting to and.

1494
01:33:45,159 --> 01:33:47,159
Speaker 1: For better or for worse, for better or for worse.

1495
01:33:47,239 --> 01:33:50,479
What you had was in Germany you had one person

1496
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:55,159
in charge after you know, before in the intra war

1497
01:33:55,199 --> 01:34:00,439
periods in Italy you had the same thing. Well, had

1498
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:04,920
to have a World war to stop that, right, I mean, yeah,

1499
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:09,000
I guess yes, don't. You don't start two countries. Do

1500
01:34:09,079 --> 01:34:13,720
not invade another country because they invade a city that

1501
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,800
is historically German. They go into a city that is

1502
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:23,680
historically German, like Danzig, because because ethnic Germans are being

1503
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:27,000
killed there by a Polish hunter regime. Oh does this

1504
01:34:27,039 --> 01:34:29,119
sound familiar like something that may have happened in the

1505
01:34:29,159 --> 01:34:35,520
last ten years that ethnic an ethnic group was in

1506
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:39,199
a neighboring country and they were being killed and slaughtered

1507
01:34:39,239 --> 01:34:42,800
by that home country, and then they're the country that

1508
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:47,840
these people were from invaded to stop it. That sounds

1509
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:52,359
like Ukraine and Russia, doesn't it. Huh. History might not

1510
01:34:52,399 --> 01:34:55,520
repeat itself, but it certainly has some cycles.

1511
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think one other that that dual aspect that

1512
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:07,560
liberals have a problem with is talk about a people

1513
01:35:08,319 --> 01:35:12,640
and one person. It's it's the it's like the any

1514
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,720
one person that has authority and then one people that

1515
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:20,600
is clearly defined. And I think that they've inherited, We've inherited.

1516
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:23,319
I think everybody's pretty liberal right now. It's really hard

1517
01:35:23,319 --> 01:35:27,960
to break from it. That's why Jarvin's work's so fascinating,

1518
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:29,960
because he's doing a lot of work to try to

1519
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,720
pop you out of the bubble and see the world

1520
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:37,560
as it was before this bubble that we're in. It's

1521
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:42,159
just it's interesting that this this ability to have a

1522
01:35:42,199 --> 01:35:45,760
home and have a king, have have a people, and

1523
01:35:46,119 --> 01:35:51,159
have a person and and fit into that cycle or

1524
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:55,560
that that structure and that structure is I think it

1525
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,960
can get along with global trade. I don't think, well,

1526
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,199
I don't know why you can't have the costco and

1527
01:36:01,279 --> 01:36:06,159
trade with China and people having free association have I

1528
01:36:06,319 --> 01:36:09,800
don't know how that works with overlapping ethnicities. I don't

1529
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:11,680
know how they all get along with each other with

1530
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:16,199
one person that is of a people lording over everybody else.

1531
01:36:16,199 --> 01:36:18,680
I don't know how you go from America to that,

1532
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:24,199
but I do understand the reality of that through history.

1533
01:36:26,199 --> 01:36:30,399
Speaker 1: Liberals seem to almost speak of Obama as like a king.

1534
01:36:32,319 --> 01:36:36,880
Remember there was like immediately there were things done in

1535
01:36:38,279 --> 01:36:42,000
like programs put together in schools where you had public

1536
01:36:42,039 --> 01:36:48,359
school kids like singing songs praising Barack Obama. So it

1537
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,359
seems like they have no problem with being ruled over

1538
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,720
by one person as long as that person, as long

1539
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:55,840
as they agree with that person and like that person

1540
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:02,479
that I'm saying, I just want the same thing. That's

1541
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,560
what everyone should have. Everyone should have what they want.

1542
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:10,800
And I'm just saying that. I think that if you

1543
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,119
look through history, when you have the most order, you

1544
01:37:13,159 --> 01:37:16,159
have the most order when one person is in charge

1545
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:19,520
and you know who, you know who it is, as

1546
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,479
opposed to the chaos that we have now. I mean people,

1547
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,000
there are legitimately people in this country who are like,

1548
01:37:25,079 --> 01:37:27,720
what is Trump doing? Why is he doing this? Why

1549
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:36,039
is he dismantling all this? Because what he's dismantling is chaos.

1550
01:37:37,279 --> 01:37:39,359
It's pure. I mean, people are like saying, oh, Trump

1551
01:37:39,399 --> 01:37:43,560
is causing chaos. No, he's like by getting rid of

1552
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:47,439
all these departments, which are a lot of them are

1553
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:51,279
redundant to other ones, and a lot of them just

1554
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:58,680
are what fuels this managerialism where you don't have competent

1555
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:01,800
people in charge. You have people who either are looking

1556
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,680
to just keep their jobs, so they're growing whatever kind

1557
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,079
of power they can in the government. You have people

1558
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:11,800
in the government who get enough power where they can

1559
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,640
have personal animal, they can take out personal they have

1560
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:18,640
personal animosities against groups of people or other people, and

1561
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:21,000
they just use that power. I mean, Merrick Garland. We

1562
01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:24,000
just had four years of Merrick Garland doing that to

1563
01:38:24,119 --> 01:38:27,319
people he didn't like personally. Then you have someone like

1564
01:38:27,399 --> 01:38:30,399
Victoria Neulan, who's never been elected to an office, who

1565
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:33,840
orchestrates to war in Ukraine, orchestraates are coup in Ukraine,

1566
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:38,239
then orchestrates it to the point where Putin has to invade.

1567
01:38:39,079 --> 01:38:43,600
And this is a person who's never been never been elected.

1568
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:47,079
And I mean, I've made the argument that she's doing

1569
01:38:47,159 --> 01:38:50,319
it because she hates Russians, because of the because her

1570
01:38:50,359 --> 01:38:54,640
family's from the Palist Settlement, and she blames, she blames,

1571
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,720
She'll always blame Russians on what happened to her family

1572
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,560
in the Palist Settlement, which I'm going over on a

1573
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:04,119
book now I'm on my show, which you find out

1574
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:12,560
is really wasn't it was their own little kingdom. But yeah,

1575
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:22,039
I mean, so chaos is something that is it's hard

1576
01:39:22,079 --> 01:39:28,359
for people to see chaos when they've been basically indoctrinated

1577
01:39:28,399 --> 01:39:32,439
into believing that that chaos is order. And I think

1578
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:35,680
that's what this regime is. This regime is just utter chaos.

1579
01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:41,880
But because the regime gets to educate people, gets to control.

1580
01:39:42,159 --> 01:39:45,319
I mean, some people call the media the corporate media.

1581
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:47,199
I don't call it that anymore. I call it the

1582
01:39:47,239 --> 01:39:52,319
regime media. Just when do they ever go against the regime? Well,

1583
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:57,720
when only when somebody who's in power, and they're going

1584
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:01,359
against the regime. They're going against the person who threatens

1585
01:40:01,399 --> 01:40:07,960
the regime. I think that most people, if they really

1586
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:12,199
sat down and thought about it, and there's a lot

1587
01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:17,000
that won't. You're just I'm also not a populist. I'm

1588
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,439
not a populist in the sense that I don't want

1589
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,079
to wake I'm not one of these wake up the

1590
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:24,680
masses kind of people, because I think waking up the

1591
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:28,720
masses leads more towards revolutions of seventeen eighty nine and

1592
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:33,880
seventeen ninety three than it does seventeen seventy six, which

1593
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:38,359
were insane, which were precursives to what happened in the

1594
01:40:38,399 --> 01:40:43,960
Spanish Civil War. But the I think that people are

1595
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:47,840
if you're going to have drastic change like Trump is doing,

1596
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,399
people need to be ready for it so you don't

1597
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:54,520
have a revolution. The worst thing any leader wants is

1598
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:59,680
a revolution because it's just going to They want power,

1599
01:41:00,039 --> 01:41:04,399
they want to be able to that. You people will

1600
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:08,359
be able to if they really look at what he's

1601
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,159
doing and what he's trying to do. And I don't

1602
01:41:11,159 --> 01:41:13,199
know that he's going to go all the way. Probably not.

1603
01:41:13,279 --> 01:41:15,399
That's probably going to be a multi generational thing, and

1604
01:41:15,399 --> 01:41:17,359
I'm fine with that. I'm fine with trying to delay

1605
01:41:17,399 --> 01:41:24,479
the groundwork for that. They'll see that what's on the

1606
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:27,199
other side is much preferable to what we have now.

1607
01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:31,359
You're I mean, what is the left. The left is

1608
01:41:31,399 --> 01:41:38,039
about fighting. They're about just constantly constant revolution, constant revolution

1609
01:41:38,199 --> 01:41:45,920
against any against what they've been taught is the enemy, fascism, traditionalism, religion, whatever.

1610
01:41:49,199 --> 01:41:52,399
You don't have to fight. You just have to separate.

1611
01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:56,920
You just have to go find your own people and

1612
01:41:57,439 --> 01:42:03,560
allow association to be for and more importantly, allowed disassociation

1613
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:06,319
to be free. You don't have to celebrate it. You

1614
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:08,880
just have to accept that it's what's best for the future.

1615
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 2: Peter, I didn't know I was going to get into

1616
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:17,119
when we spoke. I and thoroughly enjoyed our conversation. Thank

1617
01:42:17,159 --> 01:42:19,920
you very much for giving me the ability to kind

1618
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:22,399
of embarrass myself by rambling a little bit trying to

1619
01:42:22,399 --> 01:42:25,039
find the questions and stuff. But I really enjoyed your

1620
01:42:25,079 --> 01:42:28,359
presence and your openness to letting me your riff. Where

1621
01:42:28,399 --> 01:42:29,800
can people find you? And what are they going to

1622
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:30,680
find when they get there?

1623
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:38,319
Speaker 1: The Peekenana Show all Podcatcherspete substack dot com. My substack

1624
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,319
is I try to at least three days a week

1625
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:44,720
rant just you know, stuff that's on my mind that

1626
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:49,520
specific day. But my podcast is more towards a lot

1627
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:55,439
of history. I've done, you know, myself and Thomas seven

1628
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:57,880
seven seven have done a We have a twenty four

1629
01:42:58,079 --> 01:43:02,119
episode World War Two from the from the German point

1630
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:05,640
of view, which is something that actually that Daryl Cooper

1631
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:07,800
is doing right now, world War two from the German

1632
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:12,359
point of view, German point of view. We've done World

1633
01:43:12,399 --> 01:43:14,680
War One, We've done the Cold War. The Cold War's

1634
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:16,960
another series that we've done. But I mean I've done

1635
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:20,439
I've covered everything from the Spanish Inquisition on my show

1636
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:24,640
to just talk you know, some episodes just have a

1637
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:26,760
friend on and we'll talk about current events and see

1638
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:31,079
what's going on. What most people would consider to be

1639
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:35,359
from a far right perspective or dissident right, which I

1640
01:43:35,359 --> 01:43:37,279
don't even know what that means anymore. It's one of

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those things, like you know how alt right just came

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and went. I think dissident right is coming and going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you can't be a dissident when it looks

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like things might be going in your direction.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really it's really difficult. And I've always said

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I'm not one of these people. I think there's a

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lot of people out there who they want things to

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stay bad because it gives them content. I've always said,

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I'll just become a sports podcast. I would love to

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have a hockey podcast if if I got the world

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and the society that I want to live in. But

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the Pekiniana Show Pete subsec dot com. I'm also a

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member of the Old Glory Club. We talked about people

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getting together who are of like mind and everything, and

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we're putting together charter charter chapters all over the country

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where people come together fraternity support each other, do whatever

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they want. They can be. They can be a group

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that wants to run for get someone elected to local office,

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or they can want to just go fishing and drink beer.

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It doesn't matter. But yeah, my show is what I've

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been doing for this will be July, will be eight

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years Oh wow, And yeah.

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Speaker 2: We started about the same time. I started in June.

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Will be my your anniversary.

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Speaker 1: What sparked that July July of twenty seventeen, Yeah, probably humors, thinking, thinking,

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thinking that I could do fifteen episodes on what my

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ideology was at that time, political ideology, which now I

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look back on and I laugh because it seemed to

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be so outside the realm of reality. And there's some

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good stuff there, but it seems to be so far

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outside the realm of reality as to how especially twenty twenty,

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twenty twenty really showed me that people don't want to

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be free, people aren't going to start mass movements to

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stop government overreach, and that people are just sitting around

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waiting to be told what to do and what to believe. Unfortunately,

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which it wasn't like that, but it is. So Yeah,

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that's me. That's what I've been doing.

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Speaker 2: Peter, Thank you very much. I gotta wrap up the

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episode now, so I'm going to end the recording, but

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thank you very much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Benjamin, thank you very much.