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<v Speaker 1>today's episode of drag Net. The original air date is

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<v Speaker 1>October the nineteenth, nineteen fifty two, and this one is

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<v Speaker 1>the big Pill.

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<v Speaker 3>Sound off, ladies and gentlemen. The story you were about

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<v Speaker 3>to hear is true. The names have been changed to

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<v Speaker 3>protect the innocent. You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned a

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<v Speaker 3>homicide detail. Naval intelligence tells you that two marines have

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<v Speaker 3>been picked up with the shore Patrols. They are reported sick,

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<v Speaker 3>one is in critical condition. Foul play is suspected. Your

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<v Speaker 3>job investigate.

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<v Speaker 2>Drag Man, the documented drama of an actual crime, while

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<v Speaker 2>the next thirty minut that it's in cooperation with the

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles Police Department. You will travel step by step

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<v Speaker 2>on the side of the law through an actual case.

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<v Speaker 2>Transcribe from official police files from beginning to end, from

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<v Speaker 2>crime to punishment. Dragnet is the story of your police

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<v Speaker 2>force and action.

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<v Speaker 4>It was two of the July tenth. It was hot

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<v Speaker 4>in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 5>We were working to day watch out a homicide detail

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<v Speaker 5>my partner's Frank Smith, the boss's Captain Warreman.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Friday.

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<v Speaker 5>There was seven fifty eight am when I got to

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<v Speaker 5>Room forty two Homicide one and Joe all us get in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>anything in the book, I'm looking. What's scenario? You hacked

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<v Speaker 5>about something?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 5>No, why do you ask that I begas? You're sorry

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<v Speaker 5>about something? What do you take a sour pill and

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<v Speaker 5>keep this up? You won't be asked to post toothpaste ads? Well,

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<v Speaker 5>that's funny, all right, Joe, tell your uncle daddy what's amatic?

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<v Speaker 4>Not a said court deal? Yesterday? It was miserable thing

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<v Speaker 4>you and Gaffney had been working out.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the White Glove band. It came up while you

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<v Speaker 5>were out on vacation. Spent over a month on uncovered it.

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<v Speaker 5>From every looked like we had the guy anyway. Turned

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<v Speaker 5>we had an idea how much he'd taken on each job.

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<v Speaker 5>Lee thought he traced him on every movie made, on

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<v Speaker 5>each of the deals.

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<v Speaker 4>We figured we really had the guy.

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<v Speaker 5>DA's office thought so too, had quitting. Yeah, let him

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<v Speaker 5>walk right out twelve men Good and True. Let that

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<v Speaker 5>chief Woodlum walk right out on the streets to Freeman.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's where to go sometime. Very mister Friday here, Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Friday. Something I do for you?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'm Richard Houston, Naval Intelligence Deputy Chief.

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<v Speaker 4>Frown directed me to you.

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<v Speaker 5>I say it was my partner Frank Smitton like, shit down, sir,

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<v Speaker 5>What is it we can do for you?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, we get a weird one. That's why we thought

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<v Speaker 7>your department ought to be in on it. About all

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<v Speaker 7>I can tell you is just the skeleton of the thing.

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<v Speaker 7>We don't know all the details. We haven't gone into

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<v Speaker 7>it completely yet. We figured you fellows would like to

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<v Speaker 7>be in on it. From the beginning. Looks like it's

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<v Speaker 7>going to be a police investigation. Says to begin I

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<v Speaker 7>should go back three weeks ago and tell you the

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<v Speaker 7>story as near as we've been able to reconstructed yestrict

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<v Speaker 7>right to have. Well, a couple of Marines left the base.

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<v Speaker 7>They'd just gotten back from Korea, both on a forty

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<v Speaker 7>eight hour pass.

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<v Speaker 4>We figured they came up here to La They.

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<v Speaker 7>Had a lot of back pay in the their pockets.

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<v Speaker 7>We don't know where they started, but they ended up

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<v Speaker 7>in the Chief Hotel. We got a call from the

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<v Speaker 7>Shore Patrol early Monday morning, they'd gotten a complaints that

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<v Speaker 7>the two boys were causing a disturbance in the hotel.

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<v Speaker 7>They picked them up and found they both were in

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<v Speaker 7>a pretty bad way. They had him shipped to the

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<v Speaker 7>Naval hospital down at Long Beach. By the time they

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<v Speaker 7>got there, they were really rocky. Well, I'm sorry, sure,

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<v Speaker 7>but I don't quite see just how we're connected with this.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm getting to that. I'm sorry, all right, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a little long winded.

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<v Speaker 7>Anyway, last night, the boys had been awl for over

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<v Speaker 7>two weeks. They were brought into the hospital. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 7>the doctors did what they could, but it was too

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<v Speaker 7>late to help. One of the boys died late last night.

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<v Speaker 7>We're not sure about the other one. That's for you, coming, sir.

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<v Speaker 7>They were both poisoned.

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<v Speaker 4>Nine oh six.

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<v Speaker 5>Am, Frank and I talked with Captain Lorman. Then we

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<v Speaker 5>checked out a crypt car and left for Long Beach.

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<v Speaker 5>When we got there, we talked with a doctor in charge.

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<v Speaker 5>He told us that it would be later that night

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<v Speaker 5>before the boy would be completely out of danger. He said, however,

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<v Speaker 5>that we could talk to him if we played our

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<v Speaker 5>questions so that the answers could be kept fairly brief.

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<v Speaker 5>We looked over the boys record. His full name was

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<v Speaker 5>Jack Wayne Walker, aged twenty four. He'd enlisted in the

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<v Speaker 5>Marine Corps on January fourteenth, nineteen fifty.

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<v Speaker 4>He'd spent almost a.

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<v Speaker 5>Year in the Far East, and his service record had

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<v Speaker 5>been good until this time. The record of the victim,

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<v Speaker 5>PFC Edward Monaghan, was pretty much the same.

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<v Speaker 4>The boys had both come from the same town.

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<v Speaker 5>In Arkansas, the date of their enlistment was the same.

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<v Speaker 5>They'd served overseas at the same time. At three forty

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<v Speaker 5>eight pm, the doctor rushered us into Jack Walker's room.

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<v Speaker 4>Who are you police officers? Jack? We like to talk

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<v Speaker 4>to you. What's it about. I haven't done anything, at

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<v Speaker 4>least they don't think i'd know.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not that we'd like to find out what happened

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<v Speaker 5>when you're up in LA.

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<v Speaker 6>I killed my buddy up there. That's what happened. You

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we did. That's what we want to talk to

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<v Speaker 4>you about.

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<v Speaker 6>Poor ed year in Courier. Guys taking potshots at us

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<v Speaker 6>cold mud, and we've got to come back here to

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<v Speaker 6>get it. I didn't trust that little crumb. I knew

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<v Speaker 6>we shouldn't have had anything.

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<v Speaker 4>To do with it, or you shouldn't have trusted who

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<v Speaker 4>Stubby you know the rest of his name?

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<v Speaker 6>No, just Stubby.

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<v Speaker 8>I just can't believe.

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<v Speaker 4>It about Ed.

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<v Speaker 6>We shoved off, well a going to have a last fling.

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<v Speaker 6>Ed was getting married as soon as we got home.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, if we could just start right at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh sure, Well, first.

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<v Speaker 6>We both had a forty eight hour pass. We figured

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<v Speaker 6>to go down are, like I said, for last fling,

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<v Speaker 6>a few drinks. Look, some of the lights, have a

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<v Speaker 6>little fun, sort of a bachelor party for ed Ford.

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<v Speaker 4>Got hit you.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we pulled into town, see I think it was

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<v Speaker 6>Saturday morning. A couple of buddies told us about a

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<v Speaker 6>joint up there we could have some fun. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 6>head up there and nice little place that hour in

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<v Speaker 6>the morning, I guess about ten ten thirty. Well, we

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<v Speaker 6>started to drink. Gets pretty foggy after that, like little

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<v Speaker 6>parts in a jigsaw, you know, you sort of see

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit of everything, but the whole picture ain't there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I remember we hung around the place for two

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<v Speaker 6>days and then it all really goes black. The next

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<v Speaker 6>thing I remember, we woke up in some flea bag.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember looking at the calendar on the wall. We

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<v Speaker 6>was already a couple of days a wall. Ed and

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<v Speaker 6>I talked about what we should do, and then we

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<v Speaker 6>get to trying to think up an excuse for the

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<v Speaker 6>COO for being a wall with our co ain't easy,

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<v Speaker 6>He's had experts.

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<v Speaker 4>Try.

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<v Speaker 6>Ed says, he figured out something. So we stopped at

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<v Speaker 6>the bus deepole get back to base. On the way,

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<v Speaker 6>we pass this bar and Ed says, well, maybe we

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<v Speaker 6>ought to stop and have one more for the road.

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<v Speaker 6>So we do, and I don't remember much for a

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<v Speaker 6>couple more days, and I remember once we stopped and

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<v Speaker 6>watched the guy get tattooed. Ed and I got talking

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<v Speaker 6>about it, you know, whether or not we should have

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<v Speaker 6>it done. Finally figure it's kind of kids stuff, so

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<v Speaker 6>we didn't. I remember that because it was right after

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<v Speaker 6>we left the tattoo place, went to this bar. We

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<v Speaker 6>met Stubby.

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<v Speaker 4>Well this is the fellow that you were talking about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's him, and you met him in the bar.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh huh yeah. Ed now was sitting there trying to

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<v Speaker 6>figure out what's going to do. You know, we're pretty

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<v Speaker 6>broke by this time. And then two weeks, over two weeks,

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<v Speaker 6>they wall anyway sliced.

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<v Speaker 4>Do we have big trouble?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Well, we walked into this place, was about four

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<v Speaker 6>point thirty five in the afternoon, at leastly as I

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<v Speaker 6>can tell, that's about what time it was. A whole

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<v Speaker 6>deal gets kind of foggy. We sat down this bar

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<v Speaker 6>in order to drink and just setting there mind our

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<v Speaker 6>own business, trying to figure what we ought to do.

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<v Speaker 6>Then this stubby joker comes up, sits down next to it,

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<v Speaker 6>brings his drink.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, he was in the bar when you came in.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well, at least I think so. I didn't pay

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<v Speaker 6>much attention, but he had a drink when he come up.

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<v Speaker 4>To heaving me. Yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Well he got to talking about the Core, and next

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<v Speaker 6>thing we know, he's setting up the drink where we

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<v Speaker 6>was fixed loan as he wanted to buy. We wasn't

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<v Speaker 6>going to argue.

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<v Speaker 4>Did they seem to know this stubby in the bar?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the waits on tables called him my name to

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<v Speaker 6>go ahead. Yeah. Well, this stubby kept going on about

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<v Speaker 6>how he liked the Core and how he'd want to

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<v Speaker 6>whole flock of citations in Korea told us all about.

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<v Speaker 4>The time it spent in Japan.

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<v Speaker 6>At first we thought he was just throwing a bunch

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<v Speaker 6>of coconuts at us. But we'd ask him about places

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<v Speaker 6>in Korea and things you could only know if you

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<v Speaker 4>He'd come up with the answers all right.

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<v Speaker 6>But even with all that, there.

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<v Speaker 4>Was something that just didn't ring true.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, anyway, long, about eight or eight thirty that night,

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<v Speaker 6>Stubby got in a thrash with the bartend or something

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<v Speaker 6>about the price of the drink. So he suggested we

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<v Speaker 6>but Ed said we had nothing to lose, and we

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<v Speaker 4>The Stubby live a.

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<v Speaker 6>Hotel down on Fifth I'll tell you how to find

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we got the address that. Oh, okay, Well what

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<v Speaker 6>We cracked the jug, sat around drinking for a while,

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<v Speaker 6>and then Ed and I went to sleep. I tell you,

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<v Speaker 6>the next morning we had the biggest hangovers in the

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<v Speaker 6>entire United States and Canada, both of us.

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<v Speaker 4>We felt miserable.

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<v Speaker 6>ED start beefing about the cheap booze Stubby wronging on us.

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<v Speaker 4>That's when he tried to tell us on them.

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<v Speaker 6>Pill What those one of them things supposed to relieve hangovers?

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<v Speaker 4>You mean the candidies selling drug stories. Oh no, no, damn.

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<v Speaker 4>Stubby told us about that. One h he'd come.

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<v Speaker 6>Back to the States. He stood some duty in the

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<v Speaker 6>them pilled, said there was a special prescription that there's

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<v Speaker 4>And wanted us to try. And did you?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, no, not right away.

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<v Speaker 6>He kept after us though, kidding us about being big

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<v Speaker 6>tough marines with a hangover. And then he took one

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<v Speaker 6>of the pills. Least wise we thought he did so,

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<v Speaker 6>Ed and I figured then we didn't have anything to lose.

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<v Speaker 4>You took one of these hangover pills, and yeah, we

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<v Speaker 6>Well, nothing right away, Stubby said, take a little time

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<v Speaker 6>for it take effect. We got up, started to get dressed,

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<v Speaker 6>ed and I thought we'd better get back to the base.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, it would probably be in enough troubles of

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<v Speaker 6>was that I was worried about a hangover.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he left the room. No, he was just getting

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<v Speaker 4>our stuff together and Ed took six said they.

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<v Speaker 6>Had awful pain the stomach, like a cramp, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>We asked stubby if the pill could have caused it.

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<v Speaker 6>He said no, it must have been the booze. Well,

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<v Speaker 6>right about then, I was getting ready to mop up

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<v Speaker 6>the place of this stubby, I figured sure, giving us

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't figure why though.

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<v Speaker 6>Then it hit me that fell Yeah, I guess so,

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<v Speaker 6>real bad cramps in my stomach. I got real dizzy.

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<v Speaker 6>Rooms started to go around, and we asked the stubby

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<v Speaker 6>to call a doctor. And that's when we knew it

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<v Speaker 6>was reading.

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<v Speaker 4>How's that?

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<v Speaker 8>Well?

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<v Speaker 6>We knew then he was nuts off his trolley and

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<v Speaker 6>neither of us walk It had doubled up and passed

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<v Speaker 6>out and I could hardly keep awake.

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<v Speaker 4>We both laid it on the floor.

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<v Speaker 6>I kept asking this bomb to get us a medic.

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<v Speaker 4>Did he you know?

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<v Speaker 6>He just stood there and laugh at us, laughed like

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<v Speaker 6>a crazy fool. He kept saying we was big, strong marines.

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<v Speaker 6>We should be able to take a little stomach ache.

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<v Speaker 6>I woul run to do a doctor.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no time. Did he make any attempt to get

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<v Speaker 4>your medicals.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, it's just like I said. He just stood

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<v Speaker 6>there and laugh at us. Then he got real, got

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<v Speaker 6>crazy leer on his face, said he'd show us, and

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<v Speaker 6>he fixed us up good for what we'd done. Then,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, well, I thought about was getting had

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<v Speaker 6>met to a doc about this time. I didn't much

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<v Speaker 6>care what the little screwball did. Then it really started

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<v Speaker 6>hopping on how he's getting even with us. I tried

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<v Speaker 6>to get at him. I have killed him if I

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<v Speaker 6>could about it. I tried to get at him, but

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<v Speaker 6>I fell and went out. I guess that's when he

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<v Speaker 6>said that thing about that we wouldn't be the last

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<v Speaker 6>ones he'd get right. Well, he said like this, you

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<v Speaker 6>guys are the first, just the first, but there's going

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<v Speaker 6>to be more, a lot more.

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<v Speaker 4>We continued to talk to Jack Walker.

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<v Speaker 5>He gave us a complete description of the man he'd

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<v Speaker 5>known as Stubby, and going over the story again with him.

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<v Speaker 4>There were a few changes in it, but none that

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't be accounted for by his condition.

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<v Speaker 5>We got the address of the bar where he'd met Stubby.

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<v Speaker 5>We checked with the doctor and he told us that

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<v Speaker 5>both boys had been given a powerful corrosive poison. He

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<v Speaker 5>went on to say that it was a miracle that

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<v Speaker 5>Jack Walker was still alive. Nine twenty six pm, Frank

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<v Speaker 5>and I drove back to Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 4>We checked into the office.

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<v Speaker 5>And ran the name Stubby through the Moniker file and

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<v Speaker 5>R and I, but we found nothing. We got out

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<v Speaker 5>a local and an APB on the description and the name.

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<v Speaker 5>The stats office started a run on the mo Frank

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<v Speaker 5>and I checked the hotel on Fifth Street and the

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<v Speaker 5>manager showed us the room, but he said that it

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<v Speaker 5>had been cleaned and occupied since the two Marines had left.

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<v Speaker 5>Layton Prince went over the room but failed to come

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<v Speaker 5>up with anything. We took the hotel registration card and

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<v Speaker 5>booked it in his evidence. The man had signed his

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<v Speaker 5>name as Alton Richards. The manager gave us the same

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<v Speaker 5>description is the one we'd gotten from the marine. We

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<v Speaker 5>ran the name through R and I, but we failed

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<v Speaker 5>to come up with any new lead. There'd been no

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<v Speaker 5>replies to the broadcast, and the staff's office had finished

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<v Speaker 5>the run and had come up with four possible suspects.

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<v Speaker 4>Leaves were checked out, but they let us nowhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Two thirty am we checked the bar, but we found

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<v Speaker 5>it was closed Wednesday eight fourteen am. We briefed Captain

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<v Speaker 5>Lrmon on the developments, and then we went over to

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<v Speaker 5>again check the bar where the two Marines were supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to have met Stubby. The place was deserted except for

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<v Speaker 5>one man drinking a beer. The waitress was sitting in

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<v Speaker 5>a rare booth filing her fingernails. Frank and I went

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<v Speaker 5>back to talk to her.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, something you.

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<v Speaker 4>Want, well, police officers, Miss, we'd like to talk to.

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<v Speaker 6>You, captain.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, ma'am, that's my partner, go Friday. My name is Smith. Yes, boy?

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<v Speaker 4>Does that sound fronny? Here's a ID card?

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, Smith?

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

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<v Speaker 9>What do you want?

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<v Speaker 4>You mind if we sit down? No, go ahead and live.

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<v Speaker 4>What's it's all about? Do you work here?

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<v Speaker 9>Study here most of the time?

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<v Speaker 4>What's your name? Miss? Vera?

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<v Speaker 6>Vera gay?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gay? Were you working here around the eighth and

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<v Speaker 4>ninth or the tenth of July?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah? And you can make it Vera?

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<v Speaker 4>You know most of the people who come in here

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<v Speaker 4>regular doly?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I suppose so.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if you look at this description, tell us

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<v Speaker 4>if you know the man here way? What's that name?

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<v Speaker 4>White male American? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 9>Wma thirty six years, five feet seventy five feet nine,

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<v Speaker 9>one hundred and fifty five pounds.

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<v Speaker 4>Dubby.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, I know him, comes in here all the time.

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<v Speaker 9>Nice guy, loud when he gets drunk. It's always nice

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<v Speaker 9>to me, though. Tell me I should be in pictures,

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<v Speaker 9>you know the movie?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, man, you seen him today?

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<v Speaker 9>No, he had to ever get in before maybe noon

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<v Speaker 9>one o'clock. It just doesn't bother he does it my fall,

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<v Speaker 9>him my nail, not at all. He does bother some people,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, like rounding a piece of chalk down a.

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<v Speaker 4>Blackboard, Miss Stubby. Does he have any other name? Do

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<v Speaker 4>you know it? Yeah? Paul Rodgers, that's another one, John.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you want to go ahead? And miss?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 9>Not with him a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 6>Finally gave it up. I couldn't go that route.

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<v Speaker 4>What's that man?

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<v Speaker 6>Well he talked about.

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<v Speaker 9>Was either him in the Marine Corps, what a big

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<v Speaker 9>hero he was, or else how he was going to

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<v Speaker 9>get me in pictures, you know movies? Yes, n I

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<v Speaker 9>didn't come out to California to get in the movies.

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<v Speaker 9>I came out to be a private secretary. I mean

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<v Speaker 9>those jobs are a little hard to get, so I

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<v Speaker 9>work here make enough for coffee and cakes. And when

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<v Speaker 9>a job comes along, I'll take it. Work in a

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<v Speaker 9>big office, nice boss. Who knows he might even marry me?

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<v Speaker 9>That movie holp him for me, you know, sir, not

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<v Speaker 9>your little vera.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you work on the night of the night it's

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<v Speaker 4>night before last? Let's see, Yeah, I was in. You

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<v Speaker 4>happened to see the study Rogers that night?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I gotta think about that.

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<v Speaker 9>Let's see, that was the night we had the fight

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<v Speaker 9>just before closing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was in earlier. You happen to notice if

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<v Speaker 4>he was with anybody? What's it all about?

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<v Speaker 8>He do something you wanted for we?

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<v Speaker 4>We just like to talk to him.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, if he did anything, we had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 9>with it.

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<v Speaker 6>This is a good place.

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<v Speaker 9>We got nothing to do with the people come in,

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<v Speaker 9>got the price of a drink to get served. We

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<v Speaker 9>don't ask for trouble.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, we aren't going to cause any trouble. Miss. We

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<v Speaker 4>just want to talk to this Rogers.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, well we aren't running into it.

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<v Speaker 4>You remember if he was with anyone, Yeah, he.

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<v Speaker 9>Was with a couple of marines. Left with him. Had

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<v Speaker 9>a beef with Sam. He's a night bartender complained that

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<v Speaker 9>the drinks were too high. I don't know what he

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<v Speaker 9>was crying about. He's been drinking here a long time,

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<v Speaker 9>never had problems before.

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<v Speaker 4>You saw him leave with these two marines then, yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Three of them walked out. I think actually they sort

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<v Speaker 9>of floated up. Two kids were really boiled.

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<v Speaker 4>You remember what time it was when they left?

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<v Speaker 9>Oh, and that'd be kind of hard to tell.

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<v Speaker 4>We were pretty busy. It was pretty important, man.

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<v Speaker 9>Let me think, I guess maybe around eight maybe eight

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<v Speaker 9>thirty round in there.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just a guess, though.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you have any idea where this Rogers lived?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I've been there a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 4>So tell on South Hill? Can you give us the address?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>I got it in person.

431
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<v Speaker 9>I should have known he was a phonny all we'd say.

432
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<v Speaker 9>And I thought he could get me in pictures, you.

433
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<v Speaker 4>Know the movies.

434
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<v Speaker 9>Yes, don't come that way. Don't you understand. I didn't

435
00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:45.599
<v Speaker 9>come out here to get in pictures. I came out

436
00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:49.680
<v Speaker 9>to be a private secretary. Here's the address. Here, keep it.

437
00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:51.319
<v Speaker 9>I won't be using it anymore.

438
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<v Speaker 4>Thank you. Okay, here's our card. If you think of

439
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<v Speaker 4>it any more. You think we ought to know, we'd

440
00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:55.720
<v Speaker 4>appreciate a call from her.

441
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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I think sure.

442
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<v Speaker 4>Appreciate your health.

443
00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:00.480
<v Speaker 9>Well, you never know, maybe I don't need your health sometime.

444
00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:02.799
<v Speaker 9>Matter of fact, you might be able to lend me

445
00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:03.079
<v Speaker 9>a hand.

446
00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:04.519
<v Speaker 4>What's that you know?

447
00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.119
<v Speaker 9>Any picture producers? You know movies?

448
00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.160
<v Speaker 5>Frank called the name Paul Rodgers into the office and

449
00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:18.359
<v Speaker 5>the supplementary broadcast and an APV were gotten out. A

450
00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:20.920
<v Speaker 5>stakeout was arranged on the bar. We went back to

451
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<v Speaker 5>the city hall and the check threw R and I

452
00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.119
<v Speaker 5>on the name Paul Rogers netted us nothing. We drove

453
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<v Speaker 5>over to the hotel on South Hill. The manager told

454
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<v Speaker 5>us that Rogers was not in his room. He went

455
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<v Speaker 5>on to say that Rogers had not been using his

456
00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:33.839
<v Speaker 5>room regularly for the past week or so, but that

457
00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:35.519
<v Speaker 5>he had been in a couple of days before in

458
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<v Speaker 5>the company of a soldier, and that as far as

459
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<v Speaker 5>he knew, the soldier was still in in the company

460
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<v Speaker 5>of the manager. Frank and I went upstairs. The manager

461
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<v Speaker 5>un locked the door and we went in. Rememb Frank,

462
00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:54.319
<v Speaker 5>is someone in bed? Yeah, come on you, how about it?

463
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<v Speaker 4>In just a minute, how about it, Joe, I don't

464
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<v Speaker 4>know he's dead.

465
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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to drag met the authentic story of

466
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<v Speaker 2>your police force in action.

467
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<v Speaker 5>Wednesday, July eleventh, twelve forty pm. We called the Coroner's office.

468
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<v Speaker 5>Then we got in touch with the crime lab and

469
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<v Speaker 5>the photographers. After the pictures had been taken, the body

470
00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.400
<v Speaker 5>was removed. The victim was a soldier in his mid

471
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<v Speaker 5>thirty On the nightstand beside the bed we found an

472
00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:38.200
<v Speaker 5>empty pill bottle.

473
00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:39.039
<v Speaker 4>And a suicide note.

474
00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.079
<v Speaker 5>The note was booked as evidence and turned over to

475
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<v Speaker 5>Don Meyer for comparison with a handwriting taken from the

476
00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:47.240
<v Speaker 5>hotel registration card that Rogers had signed. The men from

477
00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:49.920
<v Speaker 5>Latent Prince went over the place thoroughly. They came up

478
00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:53.720
<v Speaker 5>with several classifiable prints. Fingerprints found on the bottle belonged

479
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<v Speaker 5>to the victim. There were several other sets in the

480
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<v Speaker 5>room which were not identified.

481
00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:58.400
<v Speaker 4>The crime lab went.

482
00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:00.000
<v Speaker 5>Over the room and they went back to the lane

483
00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.720
<v Speaker 5>have to make their analysis. All officers in the area

484
00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:05.319
<v Speaker 5>were alerted to be on the lookout for Rogers. Frank

485
00:20:05.359 --> 00:20:07.240
<v Speaker 5>and I talked to the manager of the hotel, a

486
00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:09.759
<v Speaker 5>Henry Cory. He told us that Rogers had lived in

487
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<v Speaker 5>the hotel for the past four and a half months.

488
00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:14.480
<v Speaker 5>He said that Rogers was quiet, kept pretty much to himself,

489
00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:16.720
<v Speaker 5>and for the most part was a good tenant. He

490
00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:19.279
<v Speaker 5>said that on several occasions Rogers had gotten behind in

491
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<v Speaker 5>his rent, but that he'd always managed to come up

492
00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:23.319
<v Speaker 5>with the money. The manager told us that in the

493
00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:26.160
<v Speaker 5>conversations he'd had with Rogers, the main topic had been

494
00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:27.400
<v Speaker 5>the Marine Corps and the.

495
00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:28.799
<v Speaker 4>Suspects record overseas.

496
00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:32.640
<v Speaker 5>Rogers presented himself as an armchair general, constantly calling down

497
00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:35.160
<v Speaker 5>the way the situation was being handled. He would refer

498
00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:37.720
<v Speaker 5>to his own exploits, but when questioned about his leaving

499
00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:41.559
<v Speaker 5>the service, he became vague and evasive. Additional handwriting samples

500
00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:44.160
<v Speaker 5>were obtained and sent to Meyer. The manager told us

501
00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.039
<v Speaker 5>that the latest victim had come in with Rogers the

502
00:20:46.119 --> 00:20:48.640
<v Speaker 5>night before, and that at the time he'd been pretty drunk.

503
00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:50.079
<v Speaker 4>They'd gone upstairs, and when.

504
00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:52.000
<v Speaker 5>Rogers had left in the morning, the manager assumed that

505
00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:55.000
<v Speaker 5>the soldier had gone The night before three twenty pm,

506
00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:57.200
<v Speaker 5>Frank and I went back to relieve the stakeout at

507
00:20:57.200 --> 00:20:57.480
<v Speaker 5>the bar.

508
00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:09.119
<v Speaker 4>Back again, Yes, mis gay, thank you.

509
00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:11.640
<v Speaker 9>I think like every time I see you. I'm doing

510
00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:13.640
<v Speaker 9>something with my nails this morning, filing them now I'm

511
00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:14.319
<v Speaker 9>filing them again.

512
00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:15.480
<v Speaker 6>I wanna put.

513
00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.319
<v Speaker 9>Polish on them after this. I guess you think I'm

514
00:21:17.319 --> 00:21:17.799
<v Speaker 9>pretty vain.

515
00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:20.440
<v Speaker 4>No, I'm a new color called frosted rose.

516
00:21:20.519 --> 00:21:22.519
<v Speaker 6>Pretty kind of iridescence.

517
00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:23.759
<v Speaker 9>What the label says to.

518
00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:25.799
<v Speaker 8>Sprinkle your nails with stardust?

519
00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:27.119
<v Speaker 6>It's pretty battle.

520
00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:30.039
<v Speaker 9>Too, make sure put things up nice now days. Oh,

521
00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:30.880
<v Speaker 9>here comes your boy.

522
00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:32.240
<v Speaker 4>It's Rogers.

523
00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:38.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeh want within, I's gone, Sevan, I have.

524
00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:40.720
<v Speaker 4>All the sexes, boys and pretty dull.

525
00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:42.880
<v Speaker 6>You're doing a great early.

526
00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:44.200
<v Speaker 3>Yet here's your drink.

527
00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:49.680
<v Speaker 4>A week more bits here you go? All right, thanks freak,

528
00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:53.079
<v Speaker 4>let's go. No trouble now, not unless he makes it.

529
00:21:57.720 --> 00:21:59.920
<v Speaker 6>Hi, fellow, something you want you Paul Rogers?

530
00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:00.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

531
00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:01.000
<v Speaker 8>Who are you?

532
00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:02.480
<v Speaker 4>Police officers? Would I to talk to you?

533
00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:03.920
<v Speaker 6>I don't want any trouble in here.

534
00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:06.000
<v Speaker 4>There's not going to be any trouble. Always fights.

535
00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.359
<v Speaker 10>Why is everybody comes into a bar and starts fights

536
00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:10.200
<v Speaker 10>to somebodace else to be Rogers?

537
00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:11.759
<v Speaker 8>Well for you kt nothing the home mea.

538
00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:13.079
<v Speaker 4>We'll talk to you about that too.

539
00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:15.400
<v Speaker 10>Well, let me finish my drink, No pray not, Let's

540
00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:17.440
<v Speaker 10>go now, I said, I was going to finish my drink.

541
00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:18.720
<v Speaker 4>Don lane's can it mister?

542
00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:19.000
<v Speaker 6>And go?

543
00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:20.799
<v Speaker 8>I said, I was going to finish my drink though.

544
00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:27.000
<v Speaker 6>All right, let's draw your feet, nothing on him, take.

545
00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:27.559
<v Speaker 4>Him to the office.

546
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.480
<v Speaker 6>Sergeant, Yes, sir, thanks sure, appreciate it. So what's that

547
00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.480
<v Speaker 6>after a minute there, you're going to have a fight.

548
00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:41.240
<v Speaker 5>We took the suspect back to the city hall. Then

549
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.720
<v Speaker 5>we checked the name through the Marine base in San Diego.

550
00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.720
<v Speaker 5>Lieutenant Richard Houston called back to say that Rogers had

551
00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:49.599
<v Speaker 5>received a court martial and a dishonorable discharge.

552
00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:50.359
<v Speaker 4>In January of that year.

553
00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:53.079
<v Speaker 5>He'd been tried by a military court on the charge

554
00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:56.079
<v Speaker 5>of stealing alcohol from the hospital pharmacy and selling it

555
00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:59.319
<v Speaker 5>to the patients in the hospital. We stopped in handwriting

556
00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:02.480
<v Speaker 5>analysis and Don Meyer took an exemplar of the suspect's writing.

557
00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:05.160
<v Speaker 5>When we checked by the office, there was a message

558
00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:08.200
<v Speaker 5>from Sergeants Bill Cummings and Harry Hansen stating that their

559
00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:10.559
<v Speaker 5>investigation had shown that the death of the soldier in

560
00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:15.279
<v Speaker 5>Roger's room was suicide beyond any doubt. Seven forty six pm.

561
00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:18.119
<v Speaker 5>Frank and I talked to the suspect in the interrogation room.

562
00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:20.599
<v Speaker 10>Terrible thing, treating a veteran like right, Let's save it.

563
00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:22.680
<v Speaker 10>Rogers there's a few questions we'd like some answers to.

564
00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:24.039
<v Speaker 10>I got nothing to hide, all right.

565
00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:26.400
<v Speaker 4>What were the conditions of your discharge from the Marine Corps?

566
00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:26.880
<v Speaker 8>What do you mean?

567
00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:29.480
<v Speaker 4>Did you get an honorable discharge or a dishonorable discharge?

568
00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:32.559
<v Speaker 10>I had a little trouble Loozzi. Officers never did understand

569
00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:33.960
<v Speaker 10>what the problems in the enlisted man were.

570
00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:35.240
<v Speaker 4>What do you do for a living, rogers?

571
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:37.519
<v Speaker 10>I work around. Do you have a steady job? What

572
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:39.240
<v Speaker 10>do you mean steady when you've held for SayMore in

573
00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:41.559
<v Speaker 10>six months? Haven't been out of service that long? Where'd

574
00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:43.079
<v Speaker 10>you serve in the courts Japan?

575
00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:44.839
<v Speaker 4>Korea? How long are you there? About?

576
00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:46.359
<v Speaker 8>Four or five month? Why did you come back? I

577
00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:48.000
<v Speaker 8>was wounded? How what do you mean?

578
00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:50.640
<v Speaker 4>How just that? How were you wounded? Well?

579
00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:53.200
<v Speaker 8>I wasn't exactly wounded. I had my feet frostbit.

580
00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:56.559
<v Speaker 5>According to this here you went a wallen, got lost.

581
00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:58.039
<v Speaker 5>When they found you, your feet were frozen.

582
00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:00.160
<v Speaker 4>Is that right? What's set? You got your record in

583
00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:00.559
<v Speaker 4>the car?

584
00:24:00.880 --> 00:24:02.799
<v Speaker 8>Got a lot of nerve digging into that. That's what

585
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:04.559
<v Speaker 8>you got me in here for? Anyway? I done nothing

586
00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:05.759
<v Speaker 8>that puts me in line for this kind of tree.

587
00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:07.519
<v Speaker 4>I know a couple of marines named dead Monahan and

588
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:08.119
<v Speaker 4>Jack Walker.

589
00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:12.200
<v Speaker 8>Monahan Walker, No, I don't think I know.

590
00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:14.039
<v Speaker 4>You ever register in a hotel on Fifth Street.

591
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:15.119
<v Speaker 8>No, I live over on Hill.

592
00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:17.480
<v Speaker 4>You know a soldier named Marty Wilton. What's he got

593
00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:19.200
<v Speaker 4>to do with it? We found him dead in your room?

594
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.400
<v Speaker 4>You're cracking out? Yeah, sure, Rogers, we just dreamed. We

595
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:23.200
<v Speaker 4>found that body.

596
00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:25.119
<v Speaker 8>I had nothing to do with him. Met him in

597
00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:25.400
<v Speaker 8>a bar.

598
00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:27.200
<v Speaker 10>He said he wasn't feeling too good, said he didn't

599
00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:28.920
<v Speaker 10>have a place to sleep. I let him have my room.

600
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:31.240
<v Speaker 10>Something wrong in that? Be a little kind and how

601
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:32.279
<v Speaker 10>even that gets you in trouble?

602
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:33.960
<v Speaker 4>Be sure you don't know a marine named Deed Monahan?

603
00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:36.480
<v Speaker 5>Positive, there's something wrong, Rogers. Girl at the bar says

604
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:38.079
<v Speaker 5>she saw you leave the place with two marines. They

605
00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:39.359
<v Speaker 5>could have been Monahan and Walker.

606
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:41.599
<v Speaker 8>Well maybe I know him. I might and still not

607
00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:42.240
<v Speaker 8>know their names.

608
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:43.799
<v Speaker 4>You didn't take him up to a room. You'd read

609
00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:44.920
<v Speaker 4>it in a hotel on fifth Street?

610
00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:46.559
<v Speaker 8>No, I told you once. I never lived on Fifth.

611
00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:48.960
<v Speaker 5>Checked with our handwriting man. He says, you're writing matches

612
00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:50.799
<v Speaker 5>some samples. We foundhim the hotel registered.

613
00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:53.119
<v Speaker 8>Maybe I write like somebody else No, we don't think so, mister.

614
00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:54.839
<v Speaker 4>How about Jack Walker? Maybe you know him, he just

615
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:55.559
<v Speaker 4>didn't remember him.

616
00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:57.039
<v Speaker 8>You know, I keep telling you I don't know them.

617
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:57.759
<v Speaker 4>Vera says, you do.

618
00:24:57.920 --> 00:24:58.559
<v Speaker 8>Well, she's lying?

619
00:24:58.720 --> 00:24:59.480
<v Speaker 4>Is she sure she is?

620
00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:01.119
<v Speaker 8>She's trying to say her own skin. For one, she

621
00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:03.119
<v Speaker 8>doesn't want to stand a rap for murder, can't you see?

622
00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm go ahead, Roger.

623
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:08.920
<v Speaker 8>I'm saying nothing until I see my lawyer.

624
00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:10.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure you don't want to tell us why I

625
00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:10.559
<v Speaker 4>did it.

626
00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:11.440
<v Speaker 8>I got nothing to say.

627
00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:14.160
<v Speaker 4>Makes it tough, Roger, What do you mean? Just makes

628
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:15.680
<v Speaker 4>it rough? That's all. Looks like you're gonna have to

629
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:20.079
<v Speaker 4>stand a murder rap. Yeah, that's the way it looks.

630
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:23.279
<v Speaker 8>Well, I didn't mean it. I didn't. I just wanted

631
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:24.079
<v Speaker 8>to get even, that's all.

632
00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:26.440
<v Speaker 10>Just get even for what Roger, for the way the

633
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:28.319
<v Speaker 10>cors treated me, kicked me out.

634
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:29.880
<v Speaker 8>I didn't do anything really wrong.

635
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:31.599
<v Speaker 4>Cop a little alcohol, that's.

636
00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:32.119
<v Speaker 8>All, no harm done.

637
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:33.279
<v Speaker 4>They look at it a little different.

638
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:35.839
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, that's a trouble stinking brass. They're all alike. They

639
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:37.400
<v Speaker 10>don't care what happens to us. The guys in the

640
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:39.519
<v Speaker 10>field try to get a job. I looked everywhere I

641
00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:41.720
<v Speaker 10>just didn't fit. Seemed like everywhere I went, I got

642
00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:43.759
<v Speaker 10>into trouble. I wanted like it was when I first

643
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.440
<v Speaker 10>went in, Like it was after boot camp, walking down

644
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:48.799
<v Speaker 10>the street, girls looking at you, A marine, a big man.

645
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:50.720
<v Speaker 10>It took that away from me. They wouldn't let me

646
00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.359
<v Speaker 10>list again. I tried, but they wouldn't let me. You

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<v Speaker 10>can understand what that I do to a guy, can't you.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know who've.

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<v Speaker 8>Torn me apart? Right?

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<v Speaker 10>Then I decided to get even all the stinking gyrings

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<v Speaker 10>in the world. They wouldn't let me in, and I

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<v Speaker 10>hated them. Remember what happened to day? You gave the

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<v Speaker 10>two boys the pills? Do you sure remember all of it?

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<v Speaker 10>They cried for a medic. There weren't big men then, No, sir,

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<v Speaker 10>they sure weren't.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, ryders. We'll get us denial, Tell me, sergeant, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>did I get both of them? Now?

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<v Speaker 10>Walker's going to be all right, be a young one,

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<v Speaker 10>that's right, A real nice kid.

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<v Speaker 4>Lucky too, Is that right? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 10>No worries really got it made. Uniform, That's what does it.

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<v Speaker 10>Uniform makes all the difference.

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<v Speaker 4>In the world. Man. We don't worry. You'll get one.

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<v Speaker 3>The stary you have just heard was true. The names

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<v Speaker 3>were changed to protect the innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>On November thirteenth, trial was held in the Apartment eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>Superior Court of the State of California in and for

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<v Speaker 2>the County of Los Angeles. In a moment, the results

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<v Speaker 2>of that trial.

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<v Speaker 4>Now here is our star, Jack Webb, Thank you, George Fennerman.

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<v Speaker 5>In modern crime detection, the working detective depends on scientific research.

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<v Speaker 5>He relies on the services of trained experts in ballistics, communications, fingerprints,

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<v Speaker 5>to name just a few. He's interested only in facts.

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<v Speaker 4>Paul M.

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<v Speaker 2>Rodgers was tried and convicted on one count of murder

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<v Speaker 2>in the first degree. He was sentenced to life imprisonment

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<v Speaker 2>in the State Penitentiary San Quentin, California. You have just

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<v Speaker 2>heard Dragnet a series of authentic cases from official files.

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<v Speaker 2>Technical advice comes from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker,

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles Police Department Technical Advisors, Captain Jack Donahoe, Sergeant

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<v Speaker 2>Marty Wynn, Sergeant Vance Braischer. Heard tonight were Ben Alexander, Virginia,

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<v Speaker 2>Greg Jack Cruchan, script by John Robinson, music by Walter Schumann,

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<v Speaker 2>Hell Gidney speaking.

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<v Speaker 4>Tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Barry Craig, Confidential Investigator on NBC. This is Andrew J.

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<v Speaker 8>Graham, author of the web surface series Oh and a

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<v Speaker 8>Man of His Wife.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to the great Detectives of Old time radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. A pretty hideous act. Now, Dragnet had a

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<v Speaker 1>story that kind of reminded me of this the Big Watch.

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<v Speaker 1>That was different because the crime was at least a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit less senseless. See, people were targeting officers and

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<v Speaker 1>they would also rob them for beating them up, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they had their resentments, but there was more

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<v Speaker 1>to it than that, and this was less brutal or

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<v Speaker 1>you just have a case of cold blood and murder

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<v Speaker 1>out of a sense of envy because they had what

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<v Speaker 1>you want. And yeah, it's just an incredible and spotful crime.

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<v Speaker 1>I did find the waitress to be interesting a character,

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<v Speaker 1>and her reluctance to express interest and carefulness to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>giving the impression that she came out to Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>to get into pictures is understandable because it was such

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<v Speaker 1>a cliche thing to do at the time. Generally, if

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<v Speaker 1>you actually came out there, it painted you as a

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<v Speaker 1>bit naive. Where she came out there or not, her

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<v Speaker 1>dates with Stubby kind of stirred it in her a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, even though she would really loath to admit it.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener comments and feedback. Now, Ben rits In, Hi, and

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<v Speaker 1>my name is Ben. I'm fifteen years old and I've

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<v Speaker 1>been listening to your podcast for maybe two years now.

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<v Speaker 1>Your show has helped me through a lot of tough times,

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<v Speaker 1>and I listen to it every night because it helps

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<v Speaker 1>me sleep. I just want to say thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>I also just pledged at the chief of detectives level,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for all you do and keep up the good work,

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<v Speaker 1>sir well. Ben, thank you so much for supporting the program,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am very honored and humble by your support

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<v Speaker 1>of the show. I'm glad that you found it helpful

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't say just how much I appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>supporting the program. Thanks again so much for your support. Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we have a comment from Wes who rits in

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<v Speaker 1>regarding the Big Jolt, good Old Turner and Brown the

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<v Speaker 1>unsung Euros of dragnet. I think one thing about dragnet

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good comment. But one thing about Dragnet is

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<v Speaker 1>and there were some, particularly during the Golden Age, some

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<v Speaker 1>movies and even some radio programs that you had the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of this very small universe of policemen who are

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<v Speaker 1>actually working or who could actually contribute to a case.

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<v Speaker 1>And one thing about Dragnet, particularly in the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>is that you have people show up that you might think,

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<v Speaker 1>just in a general narrative sense, are somewhat random with

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<v Speaker 1>information or from some division we would never think of.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also serving to play up and to remind

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<v Speaker 1>viewers and listeners that there are a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>working in the police department, and they often will on Dragnet,

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<v Speaker 1>even Frank and to their own suspect, there are several

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<v Speaker 1>episodes where that happened. All right, well, thanks so much, Wes.

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<v Speaker 1>That will do it for today. Join us back here

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<v Speaker 1>on Monday for Nightbeat. Next Saturday, Dragnet again. If you

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<v Speaker 1>do have a comment, send it to me Box thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>at Great Detectives dot net, follow us on Twitter at

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Grahamson and off
